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S1: Mel Cambry. What is up gang?

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S2: Morning, guys. How are we feeling? I just want to

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S3: Yeah, I felt like a little GP this morning and

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S3: I like sat down with Thomas and I listened to

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S3: And all that Boxercise you've been doing.

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S2: Correct, Mel?

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S1: Do you think you're the kind of person where if

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S3: And six people put up their hands? It was like,

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S2: You know what's crazy? I've always wanted that because, like,

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S1: It doesn't make sense politically. You were just giving us

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S1: I did well. I, like you, said it was popular

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S1: So it's exciting times for culture heads.

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S2: I was like, The legend of Bagger Vance. Yeah, but

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S3: I love this question. Um.

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S1: Why do you ruin everything?

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S3: Okay, great. Well, I've had to think about it then.

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S3: And one of the ones I would think Margaret Atwood. Okay. Firstly, I.

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S6: Think famously.

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S6: Well, he said he didn't.

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S6: I just made up those rules. You're allowed to pick.

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S3: Margaret's just generally. Margaret Atwood 84. I think we'd get

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S6: She's 84 right now, younger.

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S1: Yeah, there's definitely going to be an Elena Ferrante birther movement.

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S6: What is what is the.

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S3: Um, let's make books. Great again.

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S6: That's that'll be the first one.

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S2: I would vote for you.

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S6: Thank you.

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S3: Thank you. Who are you running with?

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S2: Look, I kept mine local. Um, like, who would be

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S2: it's I, I went with Tim Winton, like.

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S1: Oh my God. No.

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S2: Like regardless of lots of people what you think of him.

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S3: What's your campaign? Abalone fishing.

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S2: I think it's going to be good to get like

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S1: That's true, that's true. It so goes wa so goes

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S2: Exactly. Broad populist appeal. Um. And I don't think he'd

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S3: Um, what about when you have to. Would you make

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S2: I think he'd have the kind of Boris Johnson appeal of, like,

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S3: Go for a surf.

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S2: Exactly. And he's, you know, we're both just like out

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S3: Just what we need more of.

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S2: Uh, Osmond, obviously over to you. Who would you. I mean,

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S6: Would have the entire American.

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S1: I would have the entire youth vote sewn up with her, basically.

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S6: Yeah, I thought about Rooney too. I don't know, active.

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S1: She's very smart. Mhm.

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S3: I think though doesn't she not travel out of Ireland

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S6: Sorry. Are you now like fact checking.

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S1: What are you talking about.

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S6: Someone said Tim.

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S1: Winton. You said Margaret Atwood and Elena Ferrante who's a

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S1: What are you.

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S6: Talking.

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S1: Yeah, yeah. No, no totally. She is. It's kind of like,

455
00:19:30,850 --> 00:19:33,160
S1: keep your friends close your enemies closer kind of thing.

456
00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,790
S1: I'd rather run with Rooney than against her. And then,

457
00:19:36,790 --> 00:19:39,310
S1: you know, she would blackmail me or threaten me, and

458
00:19:39,310 --> 00:19:40,810
S1: I'd happily step aside at that point, and I would

459
00:19:40,810 --> 00:19:43,310
S1: go down in history as the man who helped elevate

460
00:19:43,310 --> 00:19:46,220
S1: Sally Rooney to the presidency. So she would.

461
00:19:46,220 --> 00:19:47,330
S2: Be your bag of ants.

462
00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,679
S3: You guys would just sit around doing so much debating

463
00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:52,850
S3: about Marxism.

464
00:19:52,970 --> 00:19:55,700
S1: Who'd you reckon has sold more books like JD Vance

465
00:19:55,700 --> 00:19:58,220
S1: or Sally Rooney? Can we check this?

466
00:19:58,220 --> 00:19:59,119
S2: Probably Sally Rooney.

467
00:19:59,330 --> 00:20:00,560
S3: Yeah, I think Sally Rooney.

468
00:20:00,950 --> 00:20:04,730
S1: It'd be pretty crazy if that's not the case. Okay,

469
00:20:04,730 --> 00:20:09,350
S1: so JD Vance has in fact sold more copies of

470
00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:12,560
S1: Hillbilly Elegy than Sally Rooney sold copies of Normal People

471
00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:16,130
S1: 1.6 million versus 1 million. So, I mean, Trump knows

472
00:20:16,130 --> 00:20:18,500
S1: what he's doing. This guy sold a lot of books.

473
00:20:19,100 --> 00:20:20,450
S2: Cloud street sales.

474
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:25,189
S1: All right. Let's talk about the.

475
00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:26,090
S6: Real things.

476
00:20:26,090 --> 00:20:27,379
S1: We're here to talk about.

477
00:20:28,340 --> 00:20:28,970
S6: Let's just keep.

478
00:20:28,970 --> 00:20:29,390
S3: Talking about.

479
00:20:29,390 --> 00:20:30,650
S6: This. Yeah.

480
00:20:30,650 --> 00:20:32,300
S2: You know that the reviews are going to come flooding

481
00:20:32,300 --> 00:20:33,740
S2: in like more book content with, well.

482
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:34,790
S6: You wanted book.

483
00:20:34,790 --> 00:20:35,660
S1: Content. Here you go.

484
00:20:35,660 --> 00:20:35,840
S2: No.

485
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,350
S1: 4 p.m. Rooney versus JD Vance. First Margaret Atwood. Who

486
00:20:39,380 --> 00:20:43,010
S1: else is giving you this content? Um, last year on

487
00:20:43,010 --> 00:20:45,230
S1: the show, guys, we had a discussion about the state

488
00:20:45,230 --> 00:20:50,179
S1: of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, otherwise known as the ABC. Um,

489
00:20:50,180 --> 00:20:55,850
S1: in particular, we discussed the ABC's inability lately to really

490
00:20:55,850 --> 00:20:59,480
S1: connect with younger audiences. We discussed Fran Kelly, the long

491
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,050
S1: time RN breakfast host, moving to prime time TV to

492
00:21:03,050 --> 00:21:06,950
S1: host a chat show called frankly. We suggested that it

493
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:09,620
S1: seemed like the ABC was missing opportunities to give a

494
00:21:09,619 --> 00:21:14,510
S1: younger generation access to those kinds of platforms. Instead, they

495
00:21:14,510 --> 00:21:16,580
S1: seem to just be doubling down on people who'd been

496
00:21:16,580 --> 00:21:19,300
S1: at the broadcaster for a very long time. Some people

497
00:21:19,300 --> 00:21:21,820
S1: did not like our comments. A lot of people in

498
00:21:21,820 --> 00:21:23,649
S1: the ABC and outside the ABC said, thank you so

499
00:21:23,650 --> 00:21:26,290
S1: much for talking about an issue that is really impacting

500
00:21:26,290 --> 00:21:28,840
S1: our relationship with it. Um, but yes, there was some

501
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,959
S1: concern that we were being sexist and ageist. In fact,

502
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,500
S1: Ida Buttrose, then the chair of the ABC, had a

503
00:21:35,500 --> 00:21:37,989
S1: pretty personal crack at me in The Australian newspaper. But,

504
00:21:37,990 --> 00:21:40,239
S1: you know, water off a duck's back. That's what you

505
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,679
S1: get for being an honest, truthful and brave critic. Um,

506
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,100
S1: so here we are this week, Thomas, you kind of

507
00:21:47,100 --> 00:21:50,460
S1: restarted that debate a little bit by discussing Sean McAuliffe's

508
00:21:50,460 --> 00:21:53,760
S1: return to ABC TV. Tell us a little bit about

509
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,310
S1: why you wrote about it and what you said.

510
00:21:56,340 --> 00:22:00,030
S2: Yeah, well, uh, he's got a new show coming called

511
00:22:00,030 --> 00:22:04,620
S2: the Eve of destruction. And just when we got the release, immediately,

512
00:22:04,619 --> 00:22:06,870
S2: it kind of took me back to that Fran announcement

513
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,109
S2: for a few different reasons at the time, especially like,

514
00:22:10,109 --> 00:22:12,990
S2: you know, I was very clear in my original opinion

515
00:22:12,990 --> 00:22:14,850
S2: piece on Fran Kelly that it was nothing to do

516
00:22:14,850 --> 00:22:17,520
S2: with Fran as a broadcaster or a person. Like she's very,

517
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,770
S2: very talented and, you know, industry veteran. But I just

518
00:22:19,770 --> 00:22:22,800
S2: thought that the opportunity to host one of these chat

519
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,889
S2: shows was like was going lacking for, you know, young,

520
00:22:25,890 --> 00:22:28,649
S2: fresh faces, but particularly a few people were kind of

521
00:22:28,650 --> 00:22:30,330
S2: at the time were like, oh, you know, you wouldn't

522
00:22:30,330 --> 00:22:32,520
S2: be saying this if a man was getting this opportunity.

523
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,030
S2: And then fast forward to the present, and Sean McAuliffe

524
00:22:36,030 --> 00:22:38,639
S2: has been given this opportunity. So I guess in that way,

525
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,190
S2: I wanted to highlight the fact that, you know, it

526
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:44,010
S2: is the same issue once again, but also, strangely, like

527
00:22:44,010 --> 00:22:46,800
S2: Sean McAuliffe was the very first guest on the very

528
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,310
S2: first episode of frankly. And she asked him at the time, like,

529
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:52,290
S2: why did you step away from Mad as Hell? It

530
00:22:52,290 --> 00:22:54,219
S2: was still going so well? And he said, I genuinely

531
00:22:54,220 --> 00:22:55,810
S2: wanted to give the microphone over to someone who was

532
00:22:55,810 --> 00:22:58,060
S2: perhaps younger or some different voices, and that's been a

533
00:22:58,060 --> 00:23:00,340
S2: big thing he's kind of been discussing ever since he

534
00:23:00,340 --> 00:23:02,950
S2: left Mad as Hell in 2022. Um, you know, the

535
00:23:02,950 --> 00:23:06,369
S2: need for ABC to nurture young talent, particularly in the,

536
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,340
S2: you know, that kind of like live comedic panel space, like,

537
00:23:09,340 --> 00:23:11,530
S2: you know, there are some great comedies on ABC getting

538
00:23:11,530 --> 00:23:14,410
S2: commissioned by young writers, but that kind of those particular

539
00:23:14,410 --> 00:23:17,560
S2: shows that are an avenue for comedians often like are

540
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,560
S2: hard to come by. Uh, and then then here we are.

541
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,400
S2: Suddenly Shaun Micallef is back hosting essentially a chat show

542
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,500
S2: with a rotating roster of guests, like the exact kind

543
00:23:26,500 --> 00:23:29,980
S2: of show that a young comedian would kill for, and

544
00:23:29,980 --> 00:23:31,780
S2: even in the promo for the show. So the show

545
00:23:31,780 --> 00:23:34,389
S2: starts in a few weeks, August 14th. But even in

546
00:23:34,390 --> 00:23:35,950
S2: the promo for the show, he kind of pokes fun

547
00:23:35,950 --> 00:23:37,240
S2: at the exact issue.

548
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:40,390
S7: Two years ago, I resigned from television to make way

549
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:43,570
S7: for bright new young talent here at the ABC. As

550
00:23:43,570 --> 00:23:45,370
S7: it turned out, there wasn't any. So I'm back doing

551
00:23:45,369 --> 00:23:47,230
S7: a new show in which I asked guests.

552
00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:49,300
S2: And yeah, I just thought it was an interesting time

553
00:23:49,300 --> 00:23:51,310
S2: to have a look at, well, you know, what is

554
00:23:51,310 --> 00:23:53,500
S2: going on at the ABC. Like, I think Micallef was

555
00:23:53,500 --> 00:23:56,080
S2: poking fun at the fact that the ABC really does

556
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,560
S2: believe there aren't many bright, new young faces that can

557
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,470
S2: be trusted with a show like this. And it's one thing,

558
00:24:02,470 --> 00:24:04,690
S2: you know, to have a roster of shows where perhaps

559
00:24:04,690 --> 00:24:06,909
S2: young comedians get a five minute slot, or they get

560
00:24:06,910 --> 00:24:09,429
S2: to go on an episode in a series and, you know,

561
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:12,459
S2: they can appear. And that's all well and good. But really,

562
00:24:12,460 --> 00:24:15,400
S2: you know, to be given the responsibility and the trust

563
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,070
S2: of being able to lead one of these shows is

564
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:20,679
S2: something that's going to change people's careers. And and at

565
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,230
S2: the same time, more importantly, draw young people back to

566
00:24:23,230 --> 00:24:25,780
S2: the ABC because we all know, like the reality is

567
00:24:25,780 --> 00:24:28,270
S2: young people don't have a relationship with the ABC anymore.

568
00:24:28,270 --> 00:24:29,810
S2: So I just thought it was interesting that we're back

569
00:24:29,810 --> 00:24:32,480
S2: in the same place. And, you know, lo and behold,

570
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,550
S2: I think the response has been, if you, you know,

571
00:24:34,550 --> 00:24:37,040
S2: we wrote about it, the comments are very, I think,

572
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,230
S2: quite mixed. But lots of people being like, yeah, I mean,

573
00:24:39,230 --> 00:24:41,780
S2: this is a sad indictment on where the ABC is at.

574
00:24:41,780 --> 00:24:44,510
S1: You really, really well put. I think the bit that

575
00:24:44,510 --> 00:24:46,670
S1: really stood out to me is the fact that Shaun

576
00:24:46,670 --> 00:24:49,550
S1: Micallef said when he left and said to you, yeah,

577
00:24:49,550 --> 00:24:50,659
S1: I want to take a step back. I don't want

578
00:24:50,660 --> 00:24:53,340
S1: to help mentor and train a bunch of young comedians.

579
00:24:53,340 --> 00:24:55,679
S1: 12 months later, he's just like making fun of the

580
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,720
S1: fact that they tried to do that, couldn't and gave

581
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,850
S1: him the show. It's not his fault. Like, good on

582
00:24:59,850 --> 00:25:01,500
S1: the guy for being on his show. He's very funny.

583
00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:03,690
S1: He'll do a good job, I think, but it really

584
00:25:03,690 --> 00:25:08,669
S1: does reflect the ABC's long term failure to both nurture

585
00:25:08,670 --> 00:25:12,450
S1: a new generation of comedic talent, and to the ones

586
00:25:12,450 --> 00:25:14,130
S1: that they did nurture, are the ones who have come

587
00:25:14,130 --> 00:25:16,980
S1: to them, their failure to give them an opportunity and

588
00:25:16,980 --> 00:25:19,100
S1: to take a risk by putting them in a prime

589
00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:21,380
S1: time slot, hosting their own vehicle, like we talked about

590
00:25:21,380 --> 00:25:23,810
S1: this last time. Will Anderson, I think was 26 when

591
00:25:23,810 --> 00:25:26,810
S1: he hosted The Glass House. Can you imagine the ABC

592
00:25:26,810 --> 00:25:29,450
S1: like finding a smart young person on YouTube or whatever

593
00:25:29,450 --> 00:25:32,060
S1: and saying, hey, you should host a chat show or

594
00:25:32,060 --> 00:25:35,480
S1: a comedy show or whatever right now. It just seems unfathomable.

595
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,790
S1: And I think the real problem here is that the

596
00:25:37,790 --> 00:25:41,750
S1: ABC has fumbled this for so long that an entire generation,

597
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:44,750
S1: in fact, now we're talking two generations of people, millennials

598
00:25:44,750 --> 00:25:48,140
S1: and Gen Z, who don't think of the ABC as

599
00:25:48,170 --> 00:25:50,270
S1: their home. And so the ABC is like, well, the

600
00:25:50,270 --> 00:25:53,480
S1: only audience we have left are older people. So rather

601
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,000
S1: than trying really hard and spending a lot of money

602
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,609
S1: and taking a lot of risks to bring younger people back,

603
00:25:58,609 --> 00:26:01,820
S1: what if we just kept serving them up? Frank Kelly,

604
00:26:01,820 --> 00:26:04,280
S1: Sean McAuliffe, Virginia Trioli and that will make them happy

605
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,100
S1: and someone else in ten, 20 years can deal with

606
00:26:06,100 --> 00:26:09,520
S1: the fact that there's no audiences left to watch it.

607
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,050
S1: That's sort of my take on it.

608
00:26:11,050 --> 00:26:13,840
S3: Yeah, I think that's that's true. And it's a long

609
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:19,030
S3: term structural problem for legacy journalism organizations such as the ABC,

610
00:26:19,030 --> 00:26:22,600
S3: where they're struggling to bring in a new audience. And

611
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,250
S3: it's very clear that where they're trying to bring in

612
00:26:24,250 --> 00:26:27,729
S3: that new audience is online. But then it obviously does

613
00:26:27,730 --> 00:26:31,830
S3: raise the question of what will the point of the

614
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:35,880
S3: television channel be long term in the future? And obviously,

615
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,500
S3: that's not a question that needs to be answered in

616
00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:39,960
S3: the next few years. But eventually, like, there's going to

617
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,060
S3: be a have to be a reckoning for free to

618
00:26:42,060 --> 00:26:45,090
S3: air television. Um, I do think it's kind of I

619
00:26:45,090 --> 00:26:49,020
S3: think the ABC has tried to neutralize this discussion by

620
00:26:49,020 --> 00:26:52,409
S3: allowing Micallef to put out that trailer where he pokes

621
00:26:52,410 --> 00:26:55,260
S3: fun of the ABC, rehiring him like, I think they've

622
00:26:55,260 --> 00:26:58,350
S3: tried to get ahead of that concern, but I'm glad

623
00:26:58,350 --> 00:27:00,780
S3: people are not letting them get away with it and

624
00:27:00,780 --> 00:27:02,700
S3: then asking questions. Thomas, it.

625
00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:05,190
S2: Is very funny. Sorry. I just like in real time,

626
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:09,600
S2: like Shaun Micallef was just retweeted the story, um, with

627
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,350
S2: the caption the reviews are in, uh, and people like

628
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:16,860
S2: Patricia Karvelas and Tony Martin are quick to support him.

629
00:27:16,859 --> 00:27:19,320
S2: But look, you know, like it's funny, even reading these

630
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,889
S2: comments now, I think, like, you know, people genuinely do

631
00:27:22,890 --> 00:27:24,960
S2: have a problem with like what the ABC is doing

632
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,320
S2: and you've kind of got this weird divide where it's like,

633
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,570
S2: do we do we just, you know, call a spade

634
00:27:30,570 --> 00:27:32,639
S2: a spade and be like, okay, well, this is just unfortunately,

635
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,560
S2: the reality of the ABC. They've given up on trying

636
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,169
S2: to connect with anyone that's not already like a rusted

637
00:27:37,170 --> 00:27:39,959
S2: on audience. And maybe that is the case. And so like,

638
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,740
S2: we're just kind of like yelling into the abyss at

639
00:27:41,740 --> 00:27:45,010
S2: this point about like, issues that don't really matter to

640
00:27:45,010 --> 00:27:46,929
S2: them and maybe don't really matter to the audience that

641
00:27:46,930 --> 00:27:49,240
S2: they're missing, but it feels like it's always worth kind

642
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,550
S2: of like trying to make the point that, yeah, this

643
00:27:51,550 --> 00:27:53,980
S2: is a public broadcaster designed for everyone, and if you

644
00:27:53,980 --> 00:27:56,320
S2: don't at least try, what kind of message does that send?

645
00:27:56,350 --> 00:27:58,060
S1: Yeah, I think I think that's a really good thing

646
00:27:58,090 --> 00:27:59,830
S1: to point out. I think there's a couple of bits

647
00:27:59,830 --> 00:28:03,189
S1: to that is like, firstly, anyone who says you are

648
00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:04,840
S1: not allowed or we're not allowed to discuss what the

649
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,220
S1: ABC is doing. Like that's just a ridiculous argument. Like

650
00:28:07,220 --> 00:28:09,650
S1: this is a not just it's not just the fact

651
00:28:09,650 --> 00:28:12,890
S1: that it's funded by taxpayers. And like young taxpayers have

652
00:28:12,890 --> 00:28:16,640
S1: stories and content aimed at them. More importantly, like it's

653
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,510
S1: in its mandate, in its charter to make stuff for everyone.

654
00:28:20,510 --> 00:28:23,930
S1: And it is our role as like both participants and

655
00:28:23,930 --> 00:28:27,530
S1: public discourse, and specifically journalists who cover this stuff to

656
00:28:27,530 --> 00:28:30,670
S1: interrogate what it's doing. Like that's number one. Number two,

657
00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:35,020
S1: we at our publications and as individuals here spend probably

658
00:28:35,020 --> 00:28:40,810
S1: more time covering, reviewing and discussing ABC stuff than anywhere

659
00:28:40,810 --> 00:28:43,930
S1: else everywhere else combined. Honestly, like, we're not just sitting

660
00:28:43,930 --> 00:28:47,500
S1: here only engaging to take potshots at the ABC. We

661
00:28:47,500 --> 00:28:50,290
S1: cover the good stuff, we shout out what we like

662
00:28:50,290 --> 00:28:52,870
S1: and we discuss what we think needs to be improved.

663
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:55,330
S1: And then yeah, the final point here is it's our

664
00:28:55,330 --> 00:28:58,300
S1: job does our responsibilities with the platforms and the time

665
00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:00,670
S1: and the roles that we have as journalists and as

666
00:29:00,670 --> 00:29:04,360
S1: critics to provide our thoughts on what is working and

667
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,729
S1: what isn't working? And I think it's fine. Good. On

668
00:29:06,730 --> 00:29:09,370
S1: Patricia Karvelas and whoever else who wants to get upset

669
00:29:09,370 --> 00:29:12,340
S1: and take this personally. That's they're allowed to do that.

670
00:29:12,340 --> 00:29:14,080
S1: I don't think any of the points that you made, Thomas,

671
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,180
S1: or any of the points we're making our personal at all,

672
00:29:16,180 --> 00:29:19,120
S1: if they want to take them personally to deflect criticism,

673
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,780
S1: that's on them. But these are big structural conversations that

674
00:29:22,780 --> 00:29:25,030
S1: are being had at the ABC, and we're not speaking

675
00:29:25,030 --> 00:29:26,650
S1: to a vacuum. There are lots of young comedians at

676
00:29:26,650 --> 00:29:29,380
S1: the ABC, lots of young writers, lots of young actors

677
00:29:29,380 --> 00:29:33,520
S1: who are begging the broadcaster for more opportunities. So I

678
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,860
S1: think it's a really important conversation, and I'm really glad

679
00:29:35,860 --> 00:29:37,600
S1: you kicked it off this week.

680
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,000
S3: And I want to see the Venn diagram of crossovers

681
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,250
S3: between hot chocolate lovers and Shaun Micallef lovers.

682
00:29:43,610 --> 00:29:43,969
S6: Yeah.

683
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,160
S2: I suspect it would be quite large.

684
00:29:46,790 --> 00:29:49,490
S1: Uh, guys, I got a question for you. It's not

685
00:29:49,490 --> 00:29:54,230
S1: about the ABC. It's. When is the last time you

686
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:57,770
S1: guys thought about pop star Katy Perry?

687
00:29:58,220 --> 00:30:01,910
S2: The 17th of September, 2013, when John Mayer released the

688
00:30:01,910 --> 00:30:05,000
S2: video clip for Who You Love, which starred then girlfriend

689
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,000
S2: Katy Perry, and the pair of them kissing slowly in

690
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,520
S2: the video and riding a mechanical bull in slow motion.

691
00:30:11,060 --> 00:30:13,820
S1: Wow. Incredible answer. Incredible answer.

692
00:30:13,850 --> 00:30:18,020
S3: Mine probably about 15 seconds ago, because I've not really

693
00:30:18,020 --> 00:30:21,590
S3: stopped thinking about Katy Perry since this song was released.

694
00:30:22,220 --> 00:30:26,420
S1: That's weird. That's weird. Um, she was the last artist

695
00:30:26,420 --> 00:30:29,900
S1: I saw perform before Covid, believe it or not, uh,

696
00:30:29,900 --> 00:30:32,780
S1: in in 2020, I went to the women's T20 World

697
00:30:32,780 --> 00:30:36,229
S1: Cup at the MCG. Uh, was India vs Australia? I

698
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:37,850
S1: just moved to Melbourne and I went on my own.

699
00:30:37,850 --> 00:30:39,740
S1: I was very excited to go to the MCG for

700
00:30:39,740 --> 00:30:42,350
S1: the first time and watch this sold out World Cup.

701
00:30:42,350 --> 00:30:45,920
S1: And she was the entertainment and it was like kind

702
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,170
S1: of fun at the time. If I knew that was

703
00:30:48,170 --> 00:30:50,000
S1: going to be the last show I saw for like

704
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,730
S1: three years, I think I would have felt a bit differently.

705
00:30:52,770 --> 00:30:56,430
S1: but she's back. She has an album coming out in

706
00:30:56,430 --> 00:31:00,390
S1: September called one for three. The first single was released

707
00:31:00,390 --> 00:31:03,540
S1: last week. It's called Woman's World.

708
00:31:05,010 --> 00:31:17,610
UU: Sexy, confident, so intelligent. She is heaven sent, so soft,

709
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,660
UU: so strong. She's a winner.

710
00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:24,480
S1: First thing I want to say about this song is

711
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,550
S1: that it is not very good.

712
00:31:26,580 --> 00:31:28,230
S2: You would say that as a man.

713
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,610
S1: Uh, we'll talk about all that. Don't worry. This song

714
00:31:32,610 --> 00:31:36,570
S1: seems to pretend that the last decade of development in

715
00:31:36,570 --> 00:31:40,080
S1: pop music and music in general, just like, has not happened.

716
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:45,479
S1: It's not clear what universe or context or time space

717
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,170
S1: continuum this song emerged from. I find it to be

718
00:31:49,170 --> 00:31:52,680
S1: pretty vacuous and contrived. The second thing to say is

719
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,710
S1: that the music video of this song, which has kind

720
00:31:55,710 --> 00:31:59,040
S1: of gone semi-viral for probably the wrong reasons for Katy Perry,

721
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,550
S1: seems to be trying to make some sort of artistic

722
00:32:02,550 --> 00:32:06,130
S1: point that is not obvious in the song itself, and

723
00:32:06,130 --> 00:32:09,580
S1: it is also not very good. And Perry has released

724
00:32:09,580 --> 00:32:14,020
S1: another video that is trying to address the backlash, which

725
00:32:14,020 --> 00:32:15,370
S1: has all gotten a bit weird. Anyway, there's a lot

726
00:32:15,370 --> 00:32:17,560
S1: of stuff to untangle here, Mel. I'm going to ask

727
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,140
S1: you to help break this one down. What's going on?

728
00:32:20,140 --> 00:32:23,140
S1: What is Woman's World about? Why is the music video

729
00:32:23,140 --> 00:32:24,970
S1: so weird? What is going on?

730
00:32:25,060 --> 00:32:27,340
S3: Okay, I have to say I completely agree. This song

731
00:32:27,340 --> 00:32:30,970
S3: is not catchy at all and there's no melody to it. Um,

732
00:32:30,970 --> 00:32:33,040
S3: it's quite a dull song.

733
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:33,550
S6: But two things you.

734
00:32:33,550 --> 00:32:35,530
S1: Want from a song are catchiness and melody.

735
00:32:35,770 --> 00:32:38,320
S3: That is. That is, that's what a song should be. Um,

736
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,010
S3: but the song only works as satire, I think when

737
00:32:42,010 --> 00:32:45,040
S3: you then watch it as the video clip, like the

738
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,760
S3: video clip, I think is obviously satire. She's like pumping

739
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,390
S3: herself with a petrol pump. There's a uterus dangling as

740
00:32:52,390 --> 00:32:53,770
S3: an air freshener, like the whole.

741
00:32:53,890 --> 00:32:55,600
S1: Can you just can you just take it back one

742
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,360
S1: step for us and explain to us the general themes

743
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,120
S1: of the song and what what she's trying to do

744
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,040
S1: in the music video, like, what is the music video

745
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,360
S1: look like? I guess the.

746
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:10,060
S3: Music video is many sexy ladies, um, kind of being

747
00:33:10,060 --> 00:33:14,590
S3: fulfilling men's traditionally men's roles. They're being tradies, but they're

748
00:33:14,590 --> 00:33:18,760
S3: sexy tradies. They're dragging and driving trucks and cars, but

749
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,440
S3: they're doing it sexily.

750
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:21,340
S6: Thomas, looking at.

751
00:33:21,340 --> 00:33:22,150
S1: You earnestly while he.

752
00:33:22,150 --> 00:33:23,410
S6: Nods, is very funny.

753
00:33:23,950 --> 00:33:27,250
S3: Um, and I guess on one level you would say

754
00:33:27,250 --> 00:33:31,060
S3: like the message is meant to be, actually. Look, I

755
00:33:31,060 --> 00:33:34,000
S3: don't actually know what what? I think you have to

756
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,580
S3: read it as satire. I think it's really obviously a.

757
00:33:36,580 --> 00:33:37,030
S6: Satire.

758
00:33:37,030 --> 00:33:38,200
S1: On what? Like what is.

759
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:38,440
S6: Okay.

760
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:39,820
S1: Yes. What is being satire here?

761
00:33:39,820 --> 00:33:45,370
S3: That's a very good question. My belief is that Katy

762
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,310
S3: Perry and she did release this thing where she was like,

763
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:51,880
S3: you can do anything, even satire. In response to the backlash.

764
00:33:52,090 --> 00:33:53,200
S3: You go.

765
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,709
S8: Girl, you were born to shine. And we're kind of

766
00:33:56,710 --> 00:34:01,090
S8: just having fun being a bit sarcastic with it. It's

767
00:34:01,090 --> 00:34:03,790
S8: very slapstick. Um, my.

768
00:34:03,790 --> 00:34:07,930
S3: Belief is that she's satirizing a certain kind of female

769
00:34:07,930 --> 00:34:10,839
S3: pop star, a female pop star that had to kind

770
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,980
S3: of sing these feminist, empowering anthems. But she's just making

771
00:34:14,980 --> 00:34:19,000
S3: that satire really late, because I think everyone else has

772
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,270
S3: kind of moved past the lie of what female pop

773
00:34:22,270 --> 00:34:26,590
S3: stars need to be, but she hasn't moved past it,

774
00:34:26,590 --> 00:34:30,050
S3: so I think that's what she's actually trying to satirize. But, um,

775
00:34:30,050 --> 00:34:32,480
S3: it's also quite unfortunate that she's had to make this

776
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,149
S3: point with Doctor Luke. I don't think that helps her.

777
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,200
S3: Her case here.

778
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,250
S1: Doctor Luke is the producer who famously Kesha accused of

779
00:34:40,250 --> 00:34:43,279
S1: harassment and assault that he's denied. And there aren't criminal charges,

780
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,170
S1: but he does not have a very good reputation when

781
00:34:45,170 --> 00:34:46,970
S1: it comes to women in the music industry.

782
00:34:46,969 --> 00:34:49,190
S3: Yeah, that's true and part of me. For a while there,

783
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:52,430
S3: I was wondering whether Katy Perry's actually a genius, and

784
00:34:52,430 --> 00:34:54,180
S3: she employed Doctor Loo.

785
00:34:54,180 --> 00:34:55,770
S2: Sexy, confident and so intelligent.

786
00:34:55,890 --> 00:35:00,930
S3: Famously, she employed Doctor Luke to write a female empowerment

787
00:35:00,930 --> 00:35:04,230
S3: anthem as a giant kind of troll on him. But

788
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:06,180
S3: I don't really think it's that layered. And then I

789
00:35:06,180 --> 00:35:08,009
S3: watched another TikTok where she was just talking about the

790
00:35:08,010 --> 00:35:09,209
S3: angel speaking to her.

791
00:35:09,210 --> 00:35:14,070
S8: But one, four, three for me is a message from

792
00:35:14,070 --> 00:35:22,250
S8: my angels. It means I love you and some digital, um, language,

793
00:35:22,250 --> 00:35:23,419
S8: but it's so, um.

794
00:35:23,420 --> 00:35:26,029
S3: I'm not really sure, but my thinking is that is

795
00:35:26,030 --> 00:35:28,009
S3: what the satire is meant to be on, and the

796
00:35:28,010 --> 00:35:33,410
S3: satire itself is just old because the kind of girlboss feminism,

797
00:35:33,410 --> 00:35:35,689
S3: the world is kind of moved past that in a way.

798
00:35:35,690 --> 00:35:37,580
S3: So a satire is just coming too late. I mean,

799
00:35:37,580 --> 00:35:40,400
S3: Beyonce was singing Girls Run the World ten years ago

800
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,920
S3: and it was having similar kind of feedback to this song.

801
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,810
S1: And I think you alluded to this, but if you

802
00:35:44,810 --> 00:35:47,270
S1: don't watch the music video, there's nothing in the song

803
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:51,319
S1: itself that has any lyrical complexity to it that suggests

804
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,650
S1: anything funny or self-aware or witty. The song on its

805
00:35:54,650 --> 00:35:57,590
S1: own is just a straight up it's a woman's world.

806
00:35:57,590 --> 00:35:59,690
S1: We're living in it. It's great to be sexy and

807
00:35:59,690 --> 00:36:02,690
S1: hot and cool, and I'm a woman and life's great, basically,

808
00:36:02,690 --> 00:36:03,440
S1: is that you would.

809
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,549
S3: Have for the song to work as satire. It would

810
00:36:05,550 --> 00:36:08,100
S3: have to sonically throw back to a different period of time,

811
00:36:08,100 --> 00:36:09,930
S3: which it doesn't like. It would have to have some

812
00:36:09,930 --> 00:36:14,220
S3: ironic use of, you know, 90s, early 2000 music.

813
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:17,759
S2: Yeah. I mean, the satire that she's like, retroactively applying

814
00:36:17,790 --> 00:36:21,450
S2: to this because she's panicking is only obvious through the video, though.

815
00:36:21,450 --> 00:36:23,880
S2: Like the song itself, the lyrics, it's like there is

816
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,250
S2: nothing like satirical about it. I mean, we kind of

817
00:36:26,250 --> 00:36:28,140
S2: touched on this a while ago when we were doing

818
00:36:28,140 --> 00:36:29,819
S2: the pop stars and we were like, oh, Katy Perry's

819
00:36:29,820 --> 00:36:32,280
S2: got the new album coming. Even then we were all like,

820
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,580
S2: it's probably going to stink. Um, and like, lo and behold,

821
00:36:35,580 --> 00:36:37,410
S2: here we are. I just think, like, I think you're

822
00:36:37,410 --> 00:36:41,700
S2: being far too generous in searching desperately for, you know,

823
00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:44,730
S2: to try and justify what is going on here. I

824
00:36:44,730 --> 00:36:47,400
S2: just think she's basically, you know, we are living in

825
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:53,070
S2: this era of, like, incredibly sophisticated, impressive pop music. She has,

826
00:36:53,070 --> 00:36:56,460
S2: you know, been out of the game for a little while. And,

827
00:36:56,460 --> 00:36:59,130
S2: you know, there was a I would say as well,

828
00:36:59,130 --> 00:37:00,390
S2: I feel like even when Katy Perry was at the

829
00:37:00,390 --> 00:37:03,839
S2: top of her powers, she was never, like, really cool.

830
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,450
S2: And like, her music was never, you know, like in

831
00:37:06,450 --> 00:37:08,640
S2: the Beyonce leagues. Like she was kind of like the

832
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,270
S2: fun pop star, California Gurls, Teenage Dream. But like, she

833
00:37:12,270 --> 00:37:14,219
S2: was never the one that was, like, kind of like

834
00:37:14,219 --> 00:37:17,160
S2: her politics or her message was what people loved her for.

835
00:37:17,170 --> 00:37:19,330
S2: And I feel like she's just come back into a

836
00:37:19,330 --> 00:37:21,490
S2: landscape that is completely different from the one she left,

837
00:37:21,489 --> 00:37:24,640
S2: and she's done what she thinks will be a way

838
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,570
S2: into that conversation. And instead it's like, you know, she

839
00:37:28,570 --> 00:37:32,740
S2: is heaven sent. So soft, so strong, champion, superhuman, number one.

840
00:37:32,739 --> 00:37:34,930
S3: But what do you think the she's trying to do

841
00:37:34,930 --> 00:37:37,029
S3: in the video clip? Like, do you think it's a

842
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:41,080
S3: serious she thinks that that is what feminism is.

843
00:37:41,260 --> 00:37:44,590
S2: I think maybe the video was like someone saying to

844
00:37:44,590 --> 00:37:46,420
S2: her a bunch of ideas and like, this could be

845
00:37:46,420 --> 00:37:48,250
S2: kind of funny and we'll like, we'll do like a

846
00:37:48,250 --> 00:37:50,050
S2: bit of a send up. But I still think even

847
00:37:50,050 --> 00:37:52,030
S2: if that was the intention, a it's not done very

848
00:37:52,030 --> 00:37:55,089
S2: well and B, it doesn't like doesn't really fit with

849
00:37:55,090 --> 00:37:58,690
S2: the song. Like what? What is going on with the

850
00:37:58,690 --> 00:37:59,650
S2: robot legs?

851
00:38:00,580 --> 00:38:02,770
S1: Yeah. What is the petrol tank in the. But like

852
00:38:02,770 --> 00:38:03,640
S1: what is that supposed to mean.

853
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,130
S3: That's why it has to be a joke. It has.

854
00:38:06,130 --> 00:38:06,790
S6: Yeah I think I think.

855
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:09,310
S1: Thomas is right though I don't think she or anyone

856
00:38:09,310 --> 00:38:12,100
S1: else has sat down and thought it through that much.

857
00:38:12,100 --> 00:38:14,350
S1: It's more just like you've got this song that is

858
00:38:14,350 --> 00:38:17,830
S1: completely anodyne, and maybe it's like a little bit knowing

859
00:38:17,830 --> 00:38:21,189
S1: what if we made the music video these obvious references

860
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:24,910
S1: to feminism, and then all of a sudden it changes

861
00:38:24,910 --> 00:38:27,910
S1: and it's this different make believe world where women are

862
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:30,850
S1: like bosses or whatever. And that's as far as anyone got.

863
00:38:30,850 --> 00:38:33,969
S1: I don't think there's anyone very smart or interesting involved

864
00:38:33,969 --> 00:38:38,470
S1: in the creative side of this. The bit that's also weird.

865
00:38:38,469 --> 00:38:40,720
S1: Like you said this at the start, Mel, this is

866
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:46,150
S1: not a new idea of a female pop star looking

867
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:48,940
S1: at the state of the industry with a hint of irony.

868
00:38:49,060 --> 00:38:51,940
S1: Lily Allen, just one name that comes to mind. Her

869
00:38:51,940 --> 00:38:55,239
S1: entire Sheezus project and hard out here did this ten

870
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,810
S1: years ago, which is about body image and misogyny in

871
00:38:58,810 --> 00:39:00,880
S1: the entertainment industry and what it's like being a woman

872
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,000
S1: trying to make pop. Ten years on, this, this feels

873
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,180
S1: like way worse than that. Way more immature and sort

874
00:39:07,180 --> 00:39:09,730
S1: of silly. A question I got for you guys is,

875
00:39:09,730 --> 00:39:13,090
S1: has it succeeded at all in the sense that people

876
00:39:13,090 --> 00:39:14,830
S1: are talking about it and, you know, the music video

877
00:39:14,830 --> 00:39:18,250
S1: has got 10 million views or would basically any new

878
00:39:18,250 --> 00:39:22,509
S1: Katy Perry project get a lot of attention because she

879
00:39:22,510 --> 00:39:24,459
S1: is like quite a big pop star from an era

880
00:39:24,460 --> 00:39:27,580
S1: in which, you know, she was ubiquitous.

881
00:39:28,210 --> 00:39:31,719
S3: No, I think it's purely the the confusion that has

882
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,600
S3: prompted the discussion. No one knows what it means or

883
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,209
S3: what is going on. So I think that's actually worked

884
00:39:37,210 --> 00:39:39,819
S3: in her favor in getting people to listen to the song,

885
00:39:39,820 --> 00:39:42,620
S3: but not I don't think all publicity is good publicity.

886
00:39:42,620 --> 00:39:46,160
S3: I am interested to see the rest of the album now,

887
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,860
S3: so maybe in that case it has worked in her favour.

888
00:39:48,860 --> 00:39:51,290
S3: She has said that she saw this song as a

889
00:39:51,290 --> 00:39:54,500
S3: reset for her idea of the feminine divine, and its

890
00:39:54,500 --> 00:39:57,739
S3: to a whole different world. We will go after this.

891
00:39:57,739 --> 00:40:00,259
S3: So I am kind of curious to see whether she

892
00:40:00,260 --> 00:40:04,670
S3: actually does move to a different sound after this, or whether,

893
00:40:04,670 --> 00:40:07,430
S3: you know, she's still in the days of other anthems

894
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:08,330
S3: like roar.

895
00:40:08,750 --> 00:40:11,960
S2: Yeah, I mean, she should just go back to doing like,

896
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,270
S2: Slow Love songs with John Mayer on The Mechanical Bull.

897
00:40:14,540 --> 00:40:16,190
S2: Can I just can I just say, I know neither

898
00:40:16,190 --> 00:40:19,160
S2: of you will probably do this, but just go and

899
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,830
S2: watch the film clip for Who You Love starring her

900
00:40:21,830 --> 00:40:22,370
S2: and watch it.

901
00:40:22,370 --> 00:40:22,969
S6: I'll watch it.

902
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,540
S2: It is so funny. It's like it's so this is 2013.

903
00:40:26,540 --> 00:40:28,220
S2: It starts with the two of them. Just like swaying

904
00:40:28,219 --> 00:40:30,110
S2: on the spot, singing to one another. And then they

905
00:40:30,110 --> 00:40:32,480
S2: cut to all these different couples on like a mechanical

906
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,030
S2: bull in slow motion. And then eventually at the end,

907
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:37,790
S2: they end up on the mechanical bull, like laughing as

908
00:40:37,790 --> 00:40:39,350
S2: they're like trying to stay on and stuff. I'm like,

909
00:40:39,350 --> 00:40:42,020
S2: this is so funny. Talk about a film clip that like,

910
00:40:42,020 --> 00:40:45,140
S2: you know, deserved to go viral. It's absolutely crazy. And

911
00:40:45,140 --> 00:40:48,080
S2: then at the end they're just like kissing and stuff. Amazing.

912
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,130
S2: Great stuff.

913
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:54,410
S1: Um, she's tipped to play the entertainment at the AFL

914
00:40:54,410 --> 00:40:57,290
S1: Grand Final this year. And, like, maybe everyone thinks it's

915
00:40:57,290 --> 00:41:00,350
S1: cool because most people just want to see, like, fireworks. And,

916
00:41:00,350 --> 00:41:02,960
S1: you know, people have MasterChef in this country and the

917
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,110
S1: hot and cold, and they'll like that. Uh, I don't

918
00:41:06,110 --> 00:41:09,170
S1: have any interest in listening to the whole album if

919
00:41:09,170 --> 00:41:11,810
S1: it sounds like this, if it's this kind of production

920
00:41:11,810 --> 00:41:14,120
S1: and sound, I think it'll suck. Like when you see

921
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,120
S1: big artists like Dua, who were bigger than, like, Katy

922
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,130
S1: has been in terms of anticipation and where they're at

923
00:41:20,130 --> 00:41:24,420
S1: in the culture kind of flop with decent albums. I

924
00:41:24,420 --> 00:41:27,240
S1: have a feeling this is probably going to tank unless she,

925
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,759
S1: I don't know, somehow drastically changes course into something different.

926
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,650
S1: I just don't think she's got anything interesting to say

927
00:41:31,650 --> 00:41:34,560
S1: or any contemporary engagement with what music sounds like. So

928
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,899
S1: I have a feeling this will just disappear.

929
00:41:37,110 --> 00:41:39,660
S3: Yeah, and I feel like the AFL gig is a

930
00:41:39,660 --> 00:41:43,300
S3: poisoned chalice. No one is ever happy with whoever performs there.

931
00:41:43,300 --> 00:41:45,850
S2: Except for the killers. That was a great moment in pop.

932
00:41:46,030 --> 00:41:46,629
S6: That was the last.

933
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:47,290
S1: Good one, Mr..

934
00:41:47,290 --> 00:41:48,220
S6: Brightside. Yeah.

935
00:41:57,940 --> 00:41:59,680
S1: All right. It's been a fun couple of weeks for

936
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,850
S1: horror movie fans. Last week we got Maxine, the latest

937
00:42:03,850 --> 00:42:06,839
S1: film from director Tyler West, starring Mia Goth, is the

938
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,890
S1: third in their trilogy of slasher films, including X and Pearl.

939
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,940
S1: It's kind of a homage to 70s exploitation. Maxine's very fun,

940
00:42:14,940 --> 00:42:16,620
S1: I think, worth checking out if you haven't seen it

941
00:42:16,620 --> 00:42:21,270
S1: yet this week. We have Long Legs out in cinemas today.

942
00:42:22,260 --> 00:42:26,970
S9: Is it scary being a lady FBI agent? Yeah.

943
00:42:28,350 --> 00:42:29,850
S10: Take a nice long look.

944
00:42:32,969 --> 00:42:34,529
S11: The letter was left with the bodies.

945
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:37,650
S10: Signed with one word.

946
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:53,950
S1: It stars Nicolas Cage and Maika Monroe. It's directed by

947
00:42:53,950 --> 00:42:56,830
S1: Osgood Perkins, who is the son of Anthony Perkins, the

948
00:42:56,830 --> 00:43:01,420
S1: guy who played Norman Bates in Psycho. Long legs is

949
00:43:01,420 --> 00:43:04,600
S1: about an FBI agent set in the 90s. She's tasked

950
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,440
S1: with tracking down a serial killer who has been targeting

951
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,500
S1: families for the past 30 years. It seems like the agent,

952
00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:16,030
S1: played by Maika Monroe, has some psychic abilities. The Murderer

953
00:43:16,030 --> 00:43:20,090
S1: longlegs has a lot of occult symbology in notes that

954
00:43:20,090 --> 00:43:22,910
S1: he leaves get a bit of silence of the Lambs

955
00:43:22,910 --> 00:43:28,280
S1: Zodiac seven Serial Killer Vibes, but this is definitely a

956
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,100
S1: horror film with a lot of jump scares and some

957
00:43:31,100 --> 00:43:36,350
S1: supernatural elements. I thought this was creepy, pretty interesting, and

958
00:43:36,350 --> 00:43:42,520
S1: at times pretty wild film, largely due to Nicolas Cage's performance.

959
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,730
S1: He makes some choices in this movie, which I think

960
00:43:45,730 --> 00:43:49,779
S1: are like fun and crazy and terrifying. We're going to

961
00:43:49,780 --> 00:43:52,989
S1: keep this conversation spoiler free because the movie has just

962
00:43:52,989 --> 00:43:55,330
S1: come out, but I think there's enough to discuss in

963
00:43:55,330 --> 00:43:57,880
S1: terms of whether we liked or didn't like this film

964
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,130
S1: and where it sort of fits in both the horror

965
00:44:00,130 --> 00:44:04,270
S1: and Nicolas Cage cannons. What did you guys make of longlegs?

966
00:44:04,270 --> 00:44:07,000
S3: I really liked this film. I thought it was nowhere

967
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,880
S3: near as scary as the marketing made it out to be,

968
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,760
S3: and I don't think it's quite the summer blockbuster horror

969
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,730
S3: film that people might be led to believe. I think

970
00:44:15,730 --> 00:44:17,290
S3: it's a lot more arthouse. I mean, it's kind of

971
00:44:17,290 --> 00:44:20,560
S3: playing with the aspect ratio in it, and I actually

972
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,950
S3: didn't see it as I was surprised by how how

973
00:44:23,950 --> 00:44:26,770
S3: it wasn't that horror to me. It was more crime

974
00:44:26,770 --> 00:44:29,600
S3: procedural in the vein of silence of the lambs, really,

975
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,940
S3: and seven, but I thought it was very slick. It's

976
00:44:31,940 --> 00:44:34,700
S3: very tension filled. The acting is great. It was way

977
00:44:34,700 --> 00:44:37,010
S3: funnier than I expected. I actually laughed out loud quite

978
00:44:37,010 --> 00:44:40,430
S3: a bit in this film. The ending wasn't hugely satisfying

979
00:44:40,460 --> 00:44:42,290
S3: to me. I found it even a bit confusing, but

980
00:44:42,290 --> 00:44:45,469
S3: I didn't mind the twist and the change in direction. Ultimately,

981
00:44:45,469 --> 00:44:47,090
S3: I had a had a good time watching this film,

982
00:44:47,090 --> 00:44:49,640
S3: and I'm not someone who usually likes scary films.

983
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,989
S2: Yeah, it is funny. I think like we basically I

984
00:44:53,989 --> 00:44:56,239
S2: think we all kind of got wind of this through

985
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,520
S2: their kind of like marketing campaign that's they've been doing

986
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,740
S2: this like really cool thing that, like so many of

987
00:45:00,739 --> 00:45:02,450
S2: my friends have sent it to me already being like, oh,

988
00:45:02,450 --> 00:45:05,570
S2: have you seen this? Like where they show the lead actress,

989
00:45:05,570 --> 00:45:08,150
S2: like the first time she gets a look at Nicolas

990
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:10,910
S2: Cage's character longlegs and his face is blacked out, but

991
00:45:11,090 --> 00:45:12,830
S2: she's got a heart rate monitor on and her heart

992
00:45:12,830 --> 00:45:14,930
S2: rate like doubles. And that was kind of the selling

993
00:45:14,930 --> 00:45:16,910
S2: point for the film. And like, I mean, I love

994
00:45:16,910 --> 00:45:19,220
S2: I'm such a sucker for like a hype machine. And

995
00:45:19,219 --> 00:45:20,870
S2: it reminds me of like, even like the early, you know,

996
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:22,580
S2: The Blair Witch Project. Like, it's like when you start

997
00:45:22,580 --> 00:45:24,799
S2: to get this vibe around a film and people are like, oh,

998
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,899
S2: what's going on? Have you seen this? Have you seen this? Like,

999
00:45:26,900 --> 00:45:29,690
S2: it had a lot of buzz like that. Um, so

1000
00:45:29,690 --> 00:45:31,820
S2: I was kind of prepped for it. I really liked

1001
00:45:31,820 --> 00:45:33,290
S2: it too. I just found it so funny because I

1002
00:45:33,290 --> 00:45:35,150
S2: think we all watched it in different settings. Like, I

1003
00:45:35,150 --> 00:45:37,520
S2: know you watched it alone. You were very concerned about

1004
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,050
S2: how scared you were going to be.

1005
00:45:39,110 --> 00:45:43,319
S1: I was pretty scared. I, um, my, my partner was

1006
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,910
S1: away doing proper, serious investigative journalism. Um, she's a real journalist,

1007
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:52,170
S1: unlike us. And I was alone in my house, and

1008
00:45:52,170 --> 00:45:55,560
S1: I wanted to get home while it was still light

1009
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,680
S1: outside to watch it. Unfortunately, because I was working really,

1010
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,980
S1: really hard this week, I didn't quite get there in time.

1011
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,890
S1: And so I turned some of the lights on and

1012
00:46:04,890 --> 00:46:07,770
S1: watched it, and, and, uh, it was spooky. This was

1013
00:46:07,770 --> 00:46:10,319
S1: a spooky film. I was texting you a lot, Thomas,

1014
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,630
S1: as you know. Um, and it felt like having a

1015
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:15,810
S1: friend in the room, which was helpful. But, yeah, it's

1016
00:46:15,810 --> 00:46:18,690
S1: interesting because the movie, to your point, Mel, it's not

1017
00:46:18,690 --> 00:46:20,969
S1: it's not just a straight up horror. Like, it feels

1018
00:46:20,969 --> 00:46:26,100
S1: like a procedural serial killer crime movie, but a bit

1019
00:46:26,100 --> 00:46:30,150
S1: more intent at, like, investigating horror tropes in terms of

1020
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:32,549
S1: the sound, in terms of the cuts, in terms of

1021
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:34,680
S1: the reveals and the twists and things. What were your

1022
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,710
S1: guys viewing experience? How do they contribute to your overall

1023
00:46:37,710 --> 00:46:38,700
S1: sense of the film?

1024
00:46:38,730 --> 00:46:39,330
S6: Um.

1025
00:46:40,110 --> 00:46:44,940
S3: My viewing experience at home on the on the laptop,

1026
00:46:44,940 --> 00:46:47,670
S3: it was dark, but I didn't feel the need to

1027
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:50,370
S3: lock the doors. I didn't have any nightmares as a

1028
00:46:50,370 --> 00:46:53,160
S3: result of this, I there were a few kind of

1029
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,230
S3: moments of ooh, like it is a creepy.

1030
00:46:55,350 --> 00:46:57,299
S2: It's a good jump scares in it, which is obviously

1031
00:46:57,300 --> 00:46:59,160
S2: crucial to any good horror film.

1032
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,230
S3: And it is a dread filled film. Like there's all

1033
00:47:01,230 --> 00:47:04,620
S3: the kind of classic tropes, the kind of empty houses

1034
00:47:04,620 --> 00:47:09,750
S3: and creepy locals and, you know, the slight wind blowing

1035
00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:12,690
S3: the music. There's cuts to kind of red flashes of things.

1036
00:47:12,690 --> 00:47:16,110
S3: So it is creepy. But no, I wasn't, um, I

1037
00:47:16,110 --> 00:47:19,290
S3: wasn't particularly worried about longlegs coming for me.

1038
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,680
S2: Yeah, I think, like, it really did the job. And

1039
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:23,940
S2: I think, you know, going back to that, like I

1040
00:47:23,940 --> 00:47:26,850
S2: guess the pre movie hype that that to me, even

1041
00:47:26,850 --> 00:47:29,279
S2: though perhaps the movie didn't fully live up to what

1042
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:30,930
S2: the hype made it out to be, I still think

1043
00:47:30,930 --> 00:47:33,239
S2: it really enhances the viewing experience, and I reckon a

1044
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,730
S2: lot of people will feel that for this. Like, you know,

1045
00:47:35,730 --> 00:47:38,489
S2: it's rare now, like we're in a kind of we're

1046
00:47:38,489 --> 00:47:40,739
S2: in a real like horror renaissance in terms of like

1047
00:47:40,739 --> 00:47:42,779
S2: what's coming out. So to try and stand out, you've

1048
00:47:42,780 --> 00:47:45,570
S2: got to kind of build these campaigns around movies. Reminds

1049
00:47:45,570 --> 00:47:49,020
S2: me a lot of like, how M Night Shyamalan used to, like,

1050
00:47:49,020 --> 00:47:51,540
S2: promote his films. There was always something to expect, you know,

1051
00:47:51,540 --> 00:47:53,520
S2: like you would always kind of have a view of

1052
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,650
S2: the film going into it. And I thought that really

1053
00:47:55,650 --> 00:47:58,320
S2: worked for me. Um, you know, just like even waiting

1054
00:47:58,350 --> 00:48:00,720
S2: to see exactly what Nicolas Cage's character would look like.

1055
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,810
S2: And I was particularly surprised by how, like, arthouse this

1056
00:48:03,810 --> 00:48:06,250
S2: film felt. It felt like at times it was like

1057
00:48:06,250 --> 00:48:08,200
S2: watching The Shining in terms of like, you know, the

1058
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,240
S2: ratios they were using and the way it was shot

1059
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,810
S2: and everything. Uh, yeah, I as far as like horror

1060
00:48:13,810 --> 00:48:16,360
S2: films go, this really hit the mark for me. Yeah.

1061
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:17,860
S3: And I do think that's a sign of how good

1062
00:48:17,860 --> 00:48:19,810
S3: the marketing campaign is, because I think it would have

1063
00:48:19,810 --> 00:48:24,340
S3: been lost to the kind of arthouse film crowd, even though,

1064
00:48:24,340 --> 00:48:27,760
S3: you know, obviously the quote unquote elevated horror that A24

1065
00:48:27,790 --> 00:48:30,009
S3: has been so big in putting out has become a

1066
00:48:30,010 --> 00:48:34,150
S3: thing lately. Um, it is so, like, meticulous. Each frame

1067
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:37,870
S3: is so nicely shot. And yeah, you're right, it's a

1068
00:48:37,870 --> 00:48:41,560
S3: very I found it a very slow paced film, like

1069
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,380
S3: it's long and sprawling in a I found that in

1070
00:48:44,380 --> 00:48:46,239
S3: a good way. Like it worked to its favor. But yeah,

1071
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,180
S3: it's not the kind of classic horror of something like

1072
00:48:49,180 --> 00:48:50,950
S3: saw or The Ring. Yeah.

1073
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:54,550
S2: And again, Nicolas Cage, like, I mean, the guy is just,

1074
00:48:54,550 --> 00:48:56,110
S2: dare I say, national treasure.

1075
00:48:57,100 --> 00:48:59,410
S1: Well, before we get to the Nicolas Cage thing, it

1076
00:48:59,410 --> 00:49:01,660
S1: is interesting the kind of movie that it is because

1077
00:49:01,660 --> 00:49:05,170
S1: it's a neon film and reading interviews with Oz Perkins,

1078
00:49:05,170 --> 00:49:08,530
S1: the director, he basically just said, you guys do whatever

1079
00:49:08,530 --> 00:49:10,210
S1: you want. In terms of the marketing of this movie,

1080
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:14,440
S1: he didn't really make it as an elevated A24 type

1081
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,410
S1: horror film, even though the marketing gives you that sort

1082
00:49:17,410 --> 00:49:20,020
S1: of vibe, is made for less than $10 million. It's

1083
00:49:20,020 --> 00:49:23,620
S1: it's slickly made, it looks very stylish, but it's not

1084
00:49:23,620 --> 00:49:27,580
S1: about like a trauma trying to be like, you know,

1085
00:49:27,580 --> 00:49:31,900
S1: dealt with. It's not really alluding to too much, I think.

1086
00:49:31,900 --> 00:49:34,180
S1: And in some ways that's like my slight knock against it.

1087
00:49:34,180 --> 00:49:36,910
S1: A lot of the film reminded me of barbarian, which

1088
00:49:36,910 --> 00:49:38,980
S1: is one of my favorite horror movies lately, which is

1089
00:49:38,980 --> 00:49:42,709
S1: similar in terms of the narrative structure and the kind

1090
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:45,469
S1: of darkness at the heart of suburbia and, you know,

1091
00:49:45,469 --> 00:49:47,390
S1: that sort of thing. But that seems to be trying

1092
00:49:47,390 --> 00:49:49,490
S1: to say a little bit more about America over the

1093
00:49:49,489 --> 00:49:51,859
S1: last few decades. This kind of isn't doing that, and

1094
00:49:51,860 --> 00:49:55,700
S1: it's fine. But then the marketing machine, the way that

1095
00:49:55,700 --> 00:49:58,940
S1: the neon crew created those viral moments, as you said,

1096
00:49:58,940 --> 00:50:02,210
S1: Thomas has gotten so many people excited, it's already more

1097
00:50:02,210 --> 00:50:04,790
S1: than doubled its budget in the box office. It's just

1098
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:07,230
S1: been out in America for, I think, a week and

1099
00:50:07,230 --> 00:50:09,660
S1: a half. It's going to be really interesting to see

1100
00:50:09,660 --> 00:50:12,270
S1: what it does here. And I think as well as

1101
00:50:12,270 --> 00:50:15,660
S1: the movie being pretty good, as well as the performances

1102
00:50:15,660 --> 00:50:18,660
S1: generally being pretty good, uh, as well as the marketing

1103
00:50:18,660 --> 00:50:22,950
S1: machine being really good. Nic cage is in this, we

1104
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:25,109
S1: say career renaissance. I feel like every three years Nic

1105
00:50:25,110 --> 00:50:29,129
S1: Cage is in a career renaissance. The guy works relentlessly,

1106
00:50:29,130 --> 00:50:32,900
S1: but it's maybe every like third or fourth film that

1107
00:50:32,900 --> 00:50:37,340
S1: is really good. Um, like last year, Renfield, which is

1108
00:50:37,340 --> 00:50:39,950
S1: like his vampire film with Nicholas Hoult that got a

1109
00:50:39,950 --> 00:50:42,530
S1: little bit of hype, but wasn't that great the year before.

1110
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,340
S1: That pig, The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent two really

1111
00:50:46,340 --> 00:50:49,820
S1: awesome Nicolas Cage films this year. We've also got The Surfer,

1112
00:50:49,820 --> 00:50:52,580
S1: which is the Australian one filmed in WA coming out,

1113
00:50:52,580 --> 00:50:54,590
S1: and I think also came out in Australia the beginning

1114
00:50:54,590 --> 00:50:57,050
S1: of this year. Dream scenario was really good. In between

1115
00:50:57,050 --> 00:50:59,810
S1: that he's done like eight other films, but like four

1116
00:50:59,810 --> 00:51:02,810
S1: pretty good films in two years. That's that's pretty crazy

1117
00:51:02,810 --> 00:51:03,500
S1: from Nick.

1118
00:51:03,500 --> 00:51:05,900
S3: Yeah. And in terms of I mean, we can talk

1119
00:51:05,900 --> 00:51:07,940
S3: a bit more about longlegs as a character because he

1120
00:51:07,940 --> 00:51:09,920
S3: is very haunting, but nothing will haunt me as much as.

1121
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,560
S3: Do you remember that film Face Off where I.

1122
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:13,399
S6: Remember Face Off?

1123
00:51:13,700 --> 00:51:19,890
S12: You want to take his face? Yes. His face. Oh.

1124
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,100
S1: Do we remember that movie Face Off?

1125
00:51:23,130 --> 00:51:23,819
S6: Come on, man.

1126
00:51:23,820 --> 00:51:27,180
S1: Mel, you were talking to two millennial men. That is

1127
00:51:27,180 --> 00:51:29,640
S1: like I. That's. Yeah, we know.

1128
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:30,120
S6: Face off.

1129
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:30,719
S3: Nothing.

1130
00:51:31,020 --> 00:51:31,770
S6: I wasn't listening.

1131
00:51:31,770 --> 00:51:33,180
S3: Haunting as that film.

1132
00:51:33,180 --> 00:51:35,220
S2: If I wasn't listening to tribute, I was watching Face

1133
00:51:35,219 --> 00:51:36,870
S2: Off and Con-air. So yes, I remember.

1134
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,650
S3: Um, but yeah, I yes, I think you're right. We

1135
00:51:40,650 --> 00:51:44,759
S3: all like to say there's a Nick cage renaissance every

1136
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,110
S3: time a new film comes out, because we kind of

1137
00:51:46,110 --> 00:51:47,460
S3: forget he exists. And then all of a sudden he

1138
00:51:47,460 --> 00:51:50,100
S3: seems to be in everything. I think pig really brought

1139
00:51:50,100 --> 00:51:52,230
S3: him back to my attention. I thought he was so

1140
00:51:52,230 --> 00:51:54,660
S3: good in that. And that film was so fun. And

1141
00:51:54,660 --> 00:51:57,120
S3: then The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent was so good.

1142
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,580
S3: I thought Dream Scenario was great. He has this way

1143
00:51:59,580 --> 00:52:02,880
S3: of like being so into a role, while at the

1144
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,780
S3: same time being Nic Cage. It's like Nic Cage acting

1145
00:52:06,780 --> 00:52:08,970
S3: a role, like there's something going on there that makes

1146
00:52:08,969 --> 00:52:12,270
S3: every role he's in kind of funny. Yeah, I.

1147
00:52:12,270 --> 00:52:14,790
S2: Mean, he he really is just like one of a kind.

1148
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:16,919
S2: And I do think that we need to appreciate the

1149
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,140
S2: genius that is Nicolas Cage while we have him, because

1150
00:52:19,260 --> 00:52:21,870
S2: even like, like in addition to that list of movies,

1151
00:52:21,870 --> 00:52:23,819
S2: you just said, Osmond, he's got one coming out on

1152
00:52:23,820 --> 00:52:27,360
S2: stand this week, Arcadian. It's like it's about him and

1153
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,180
S2: his two sons. It looks awful, but like, he's. He's

1154
00:52:30,180 --> 00:52:32,640
S2: just done this amazing film, and then the surfer's coming out.

1155
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,830
S2: That looks pretty good. Like, the guy is just relentless

1156
00:52:34,830 --> 00:52:37,920
S2: and the output is so scattered in terms of quality.

1157
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,020
S2: It's it's crazy. And, you know, I hate to do

1158
00:52:40,020 --> 00:52:42,030
S2: this to you, particularly Osman, but like we are living

1159
00:52:42,030 --> 00:52:45,540
S2: in this time of the Glen Powells, these polished movie

1160
00:52:45,540 --> 00:52:48,660
S2: stars who just make fucking safe choices. And I do

1161
00:52:48,660 --> 00:52:51,330
S2: think that the cages are like a dying breed. This

1162
00:52:51,330 --> 00:52:54,340
S2: is a guy that does like action films, art house films,

1163
00:52:54,340 --> 00:52:59,230
S2: indie films, horror films, gore movies, great movies, bad movies,

1164
00:52:59,230 --> 00:53:03,130
S2: and like all the time bouncing between all of that.

1165
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:05,529
S2: And on top of all that, he's a fucking weirdo.

1166
00:53:05,530 --> 00:53:07,870
S2: Like he is just a once in a lifetime talent.

1167
00:53:07,870 --> 00:53:10,180
S2: And I don't think we have many more cages out there.

1168
00:53:10,180 --> 00:53:12,700
S2: So I just have so much love for Nicolas Cage

1169
00:53:12,700 --> 00:53:15,970
S2: and yeah, he's. We need to appreciate him more.

1170
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,120
S1: Not sure why. I'm Glen Powell copped to drive by there.

1171
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,360
S1: Honestly the guys working hard, making some cool choices and

1172
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,120
S1: doing some cool stuff. But I agree with you that

1173
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:29,170
S1: Nicolas Cage probably hasn't gotten the flowers he deserves because

1174
00:53:29,170 --> 00:53:32,320
S1: he was big, kind of 90s, early 2000 action movie

1175
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,770
S1: guy and then National Treasure. I don't know man. Like

1176
00:53:35,770 --> 00:53:39,250
S1: that movie sort of seemed to be both his commercial peak,

1177
00:53:39,250 --> 00:53:42,879
S1: but maybe his critical like the beginning of his descent.

1178
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,850
S1: I guess that's what a peak is, really. Um, uh,

1179
00:53:45,850 --> 00:53:48,070
S1: he climbed the commercial mountain and then slid down the

1180
00:53:48,070 --> 00:53:48,969
S1: critical peak.

1181
00:53:48,969 --> 00:53:49,330
S6: I mean, it's.

1182
00:53:49,330 --> 00:53:52,360
S2: Hard to go, like once you've stolen the Declaration of Independence.

1183
00:53:52,420 --> 00:53:53,890
S1: Where do you go from there? Well, you make another

1184
00:53:53,890 --> 00:53:57,549
S1: three national treasure movies, I guess. Um, but. Yeah. And

1185
00:53:57,550 --> 00:53:59,560
S1: to what you said, Mel Peak is probably when he

1186
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,140
S1: came back on people's critical radar, and people are like,

1187
00:54:02,140 --> 00:54:05,469
S1: this guy's actually really good at acting. And he's really

1188
00:54:05,469 --> 00:54:08,050
S1: intense and he really gets into it. And it's kind

1189
00:54:08,050 --> 00:54:11,440
S1: of amazing that he can alternate between these roles that

1190
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,580
S1: he seems to take very seriously, like pig like dream scenario,

1191
00:54:15,580 --> 00:54:19,900
S1: like long legs, and then simultaneously release these movies that

1192
00:54:19,900 --> 00:54:22,690
S1: he clearly doesn't really care about, that he's just doing

1193
00:54:22,690 --> 00:54:24,580
S1: for the bag. It's pretty fascinating.

1194
00:54:24,580 --> 00:54:26,440
S3: Yeah. Though I have to say, if I didn't know

1195
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,180
S3: this was Nicolas Cage, I don't know if I would

1196
00:54:28,180 --> 00:54:31,610
S3: have recognized him in longlegs. It is such a complete,

1197
00:54:31,610 --> 00:54:36,380
S3: almost funny character that he plays, um, completely disguised. I

1198
00:54:36,380 --> 00:54:39,110
S3: thought he seemed very I mean, the performance itself is

1199
00:54:39,110 --> 00:54:42,020
S3: Nic Cage esque in the kind of over-the-topness of it,

1200
00:54:42,020 --> 00:54:44,510
S3: but yeah, physically, I don't think I would have recognized him. Yeah,

1201
00:54:44,510 --> 00:54:45,350
S3: it's definitely the weirdest.

1202
00:54:45,350 --> 00:54:47,120
S2: His face has looked since Face Off.

1203
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:47,930
S3: Yeah, and it doesn't end.

1204
00:54:47,930 --> 00:54:48,379
S6: Well.

1205
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:50,570
S1: When his face was John Travolta.

1206
00:54:51,230 --> 00:54:51,980
S6: I don't know if you've seen the.

1207
00:54:51,980 --> 00:54:53,780
S2: Movie Oseman, but it's quite good. You should check it out.

1208
00:54:54,650 --> 00:54:56,150
S1: Uh, don't. Yeah. Don't want to say too much more

1209
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:58,819
S1: about what he looks like, but it's it's interesting. He

1210
00:54:58,820 --> 00:55:00,770
S1: doesn't look like him. He doesn't really sound like him.

1211
00:55:00,770 --> 00:55:04,160
S1: He's not in the movie a lot. And then there is, like,

1212
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:08,120
S1: a couple of, like, quite significant twists that take the

1213
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,870
S1: movie in unpredictable directions, which makes me respect it even

1214
00:55:11,870 --> 00:55:14,300
S1: more that he just sort of came on and said,

1215
00:55:14,300 --> 00:55:17,299
S1: this is a crazy, weird role. I'm just going to

1216
00:55:17,300 --> 00:55:18,620
S1: do it. I'm going to lean into, I'm going to

1217
00:55:18,620 --> 00:55:21,830
S1: give it my all. And then good luck with this film. Yeah,

1218
00:55:21,830 --> 00:55:25,310
S1: really good on Nic. Keep making weird movies. And Oz

1219
00:55:25,310 --> 00:55:29,239
S1: Perkins great first name obviously. Uh, and really excited to

1220
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,030
S1: see he's made like 6 or 7 movies before this.

1221
00:55:32,030 --> 00:55:35,360
S1: All kind of in the horror genre. Um, this will

1222
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,689
S1: probably be his most critically and commercially successful, so really

1223
00:55:38,690 --> 00:55:40,399
S1: excited to see what he could do with some bigger

1224
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:41,450
S1: budgets as well.

1225
00:55:41,450 --> 00:55:42,890
S3: Yeah, and it does make me want to go back

1226
00:55:42,890 --> 00:55:45,320
S3: actually and see his other films as well.

1227
00:55:45,469 --> 00:55:47,510
S2: I just thought, while we're on the subject of Nick,

1228
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:49,940
S2: I'd share some fun facts because everyone knows that he

1229
00:55:49,940 --> 00:55:53,180
S2: is famously an oddball. If you guys are keen to

1230
00:55:53,180 --> 00:55:57,170
S2: hear some of the strange cage trivia that is out there,

1231
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,920
S2: he once outbid Leonardo DiCaprio in 2007 for a 70

1232
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,850
S2: million year old dinosaur skull that cost him $276,000.

1233
00:56:04,850 --> 00:56:05,630
S3: Wow.

1234
00:56:05,660 --> 00:56:07,910
S2: Yeah, that sounds like one of those crazy celebrity stories

1235
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:09,140
S2: that's been generated by AI.

1236
00:56:09,170 --> 00:56:09,770
S6: But I'm surprised.

1237
00:56:09,770 --> 00:56:11,810
S3: Leonardo DiCaprio wanted something that old.

1238
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:16,970
S6: I know, oh, that was good. I brushed over it,

1239
00:56:16,969 --> 00:56:18,140
S6: not even listening to the punchline.

1240
00:56:18,170 --> 00:56:19,040
S3: Oh, a classic.

1241
00:56:19,460 --> 00:56:19,730
S6: In.

1242
00:56:19,730 --> 00:56:22,700
S2: A woman's world as well, how dare I? Uh, yeah.

1243
00:56:22,700 --> 00:56:25,550
S2: I mean, he spent $150 million on 15 homes during

1244
00:56:25,550 --> 00:56:30,000
S2: his career, including a haunted mansion, including one haunted mansion.

1245
00:56:30,090 --> 00:56:31,980
S2: He buys like heaps of weird shit. He's got a

1246
00:56:32,219 --> 00:56:34,290
S2: he's got a he built himself a tomb at his

1247
00:56:34,290 --> 00:56:37,140
S2: own house in New Orleans. He is one of those, like,

1248
00:56:37,140 --> 00:56:40,319
S2: celebrities that if you just type in Nicolas Cage trivia,

1249
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:41,910
S2: there's so much weird stuff about him. And of course,

1250
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:44,219
S2: the thing we haven't discussed is that he is actually

1251
00:56:44,219 --> 00:56:44,790
S2: a Coppola.

1252
00:56:45,330 --> 00:56:47,160
S3: Yes, it is his uncle, right?

1253
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,230
S2: Yeah, but he changed his name to get away from

1254
00:56:49,230 --> 00:56:51,360
S2: the legacy of that family because he just wants to

1255
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,520
S2: do it on his own. He is the man.

1256
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:55,890
S3: Um, also, I know like this is not the point,

1257
00:56:55,890 --> 00:56:57,900
S3: but I actually do think we need to fact check

1258
00:56:57,900 --> 00:57:01,560
S3: some of those facts because I have further questions.

1259
00:57:02,250 --> 00:57:07,650
S1: Um, he's also in, uh, the Spider-Man animated films playing

1260
00:57:07,650 --> 00:57:10,770
S1: spider noir. They're good movies, the multiverse, Spider-Man films. I

1261
00:57:10,770 --> 00:57:12,630
S1: think you guys would have a good time in that.

1262
00:57:13,230 --> 00:57:14,730
S1: Thank you. And I believe he's in a spin off

1263
00:57:14,730 --> 00:57:17,940
S1: TV series called Spider Noir that is coming up.

1264
00:57:17,970 --> 00:57:19,530
S2: He's also been one of my favorite films when I

1265
00:57:19,530 --> 00:57:21,060
S2: was younger, which is gone in 60s.

1266
00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:21,990
S6: Dude, that movie.

1267
00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:24,300
S1: Is so bad. I watched it a lot as well

1268
00:57:24,300 --> 00:57:25,710
S1: when I was a kid because it felt good.

1269
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:26,910
S2: Jolie had dreads.

1270
00:57:27,300 --> 00:57:29,580
S1: It's a terrible movie. Dude, it's a terrible love.

1271
00:57:29,580 --> 00:57:30,330
S2: That movie.

1272
00:57:30,330 --> 00:57:32,730
S1: Con Air, though. I think that's probably my favorite of

1273
00:57:32,730 --> 00:57:34,440
S1: that peak cage.

1274
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:36,300
S2: Yeah, and the rock. Was he in the rock?

1275
00:57:36,330 --> 00:57:37,830
S3: Yeah, he was in the rock sick movie.

1276
00:57:37,950 --> 00:57:39,210
S1: That's a lot of great movies.

1277
00:57:39,210 --> 00:57:41,970
S3: Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Asian citation adaptations are.

1278
00:57:41,970 --> 00:57:42,630
S6: Great. Leaving Las.

1279
00:57:42,630 --> 00:57:45,120
S2: Vegas. The guy can fucking act.

1280
00:57:45,540 --> 00:57:48,420
S1: The guy can act. The guy can act. Um, great. Well,

1281
00:57:48,450 --> 00:57:53,010
S1: onto our regular Impress Your Friend segment where we share

1282
00:57:53,010 --> 00:57:57,480
S1: something we watch, read, listen to otherwise consumed in the

1283
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,660
S1: world of culture. Got a question for you guys. How

1284
00:58:00,660 --> 00:58:04,740
S1: familiar are you with the Lady Jane Grey?

1285
00:58:05,530 --> 00:58:09,610
S2: I am the true historical figure. Or the Amazon Prime

1286
00:58:09,610 --> 00:58:11,200
S2: version of the historical figure.

1287
00:58:11,230 --> 00:58:11,979
S6: Well, funny.

1288
00:58:11,980 --> 00:58:14,650
S1: You should ask. But before we get to the Amazon

1289
00:58:14,650 --> 00:58:17,710
S1: Prime version. So Lady Jane Grey was queen for just

1290
00:58:17,710 --> 00:58:22,660
S1: nine days in the 1500s. It's a Tudor period of England. Um,

1291
00:58:22,660 --> 00:58:25,600
S1: she was only 16, and she was deposed in favor

1292
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:29,440
S1: of her half sister, Mary. Something to do with religious sectarianism.

1293
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,650
S1: Lady Jane was Protestant, Mary was Catholic. There was all

1294
00:58:32,650 --> 00:58:36,280
S1: sorts of religious dramas going on. She was executed when

1295
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:40,420
S1: she was just 16. Pretty hectic story. And let me

1296
00:58:40,420 --> 00:58:43,180
S1: tell you something else. What if Amazon Prime took that story,

1297
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:46,930
S1: made it into a historical TV series, and added some

1298
00:58:46,930 --> 00:58:51,940
S1: wacky new elements like people being able to transform into animals? Uh,

1299
00:58:51,940 --> 00:58:54,880
S1: and what if that show was quite fun and quite good?

1300
00:58:54,910 --> 00:58:55,990
S1: How about that?

1301
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:56,950
S6: Wow, wow.

1302
00:58:56,950 --> 00:58:58,480
S2: I'd want to hear about it from my friends.

1303
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,360
S1: Well, that show is called My Lady Jane. It is

1304
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,300
S1: on Amazon Prime. Um, and it's a really fun show.

1305
00:59:04,300 --> 00:59:07,450
S1: It's obviously like riffing off this period drama thing that

1306
00:59:07,450 --> 00:59:10,090
S1: we're all doing, but I find it to be way funnier,

1307
00:59:10,090 --> 00:59:13,480
S1: way sharper, way smarter than most of them. The fantastical

1308
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,690
S1: elements like the not as cringe as they sound, that

1309
00:59:16,690 --> 00:59:19,480
S1: they're actually pretty good. The show's like a bit raunchy,

1310
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:22,360
S1: a bit sharp. It's got great British comedic actors like

1311
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,870
S1: Rob Brydon in it. Uh, it's really, really, really funny.

1312
00:59:25,870 --> 00:59:28,209
S1: And it came out about a month ago, I think,

1313
00:59:28,210 --> 00:59:31,120
S1: but it's getting a bit of buzz now. I'm really

1314
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:34,510
S1: loving it. If you're looking for something fun, but also

1315
00:59:34,510 --> 00:59:39,460
S1: interesting and and thought provoking with great performances, give My

1316
00:59:39,460 --> 00:59:40,150
S1: Lady Jane a.

1317
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:41,020
S6: Spin, I.

1318
00:59:41,020 --> 00:59:42,980
S3: Really will. That sounds right up my alley.

1319
00:59:43,010 --> 00:59:43,460
S6: It does.

1320
00:59:43,460 --> 00:59:45,020
S1: Sun up your alley, Mel, I've got to say.

1321
00:59:46,220 --> 00:59:49,460
S3: On the list. All right. Mine is also a TV series,

1322
00:59:49,460 --> 00:59:53,000
S3: which are lovely. The drop listener emailed into me. Thank

1323
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,000
S3: you Suzanne. She suggested that we talk about mid TV

1324
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,210
S3: too much, so maybe we should try, um, try this one.

1325
00:59:59,210 --> 01:00:02,300
S3: It's called Under the Banner of Heaven. It's on SBS.

1326
01:00:02,300 --> 01:00:05,450
S3: It's a true crime mini series. Um, it's got a

1327
01:00:05,450 --> 01:00:10,220
S3: great cast. Andrew Garfield stars as a police detective whose

1328
01:00:10,220 --> 01:00:12,740
S3: faith is shaken when he has to investigate the murder

1329
01:00:12,740 --> 01:00:14,960
S3: of a latter day Saint mother, who is played by

1330
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:19,850
S3: Daisy Edgar-Jones, and her baby daughter, which involves the church. It's, uh,

1331
01:00:19,850 --> 01:00:23,930
S3: it's a gripping, gripping series. It's true crime. Really well done.

1332
01:00:23,930 --> 01:00:29,360
S3: Great cast. Um, you know, we're obviously still watching Presumed Innocent,

1333
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,760
S3: but this has a same, um, the same kind of

1334
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,460
S3: slickness to it and the same pace and the same

1335
01:00:34,460 --> 01:00:37,430
S3: interest in bigger issues as well as it goes into

1336
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:40,669
S3: the kind of patriarchal structure of the church. And, you know,

1337
01:00:41,060 --> 01:00:44,000
S3: the problems with organized religion. Um, so it's a really

1338
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,010
S3: great crime drama to watch.

1339
01:00:46,010 --> 01:00:48,290
S1: Yeah. Andrew Garfield is so good in this show.

1340
01:00:48,410 --> 01:00:50,000
S2: Um, yeah, that's been on my list. That was like

1341
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,640
S2: one that really, like a lot of people missed, I think. Um,

1342
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:54,410
S2: but that's been on my list for a long time.

1343
01:00:54,410 --> 01:00:55,430
S2: So I will check it out. Yeah.

1344
01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:56,360
S3: Thank you Suzanne.

1345
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:58,490
S2: Thank you. Yes. Big big love to Suzanne.

1346
01:00:58,490 --> 01:01:00,320
S1: We didn't mention by the way. Sorry. Just talking about

1347
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,990
S1: presumed Innocent renewed for a second season. Yeah.

1348
01:01:02,990 --> 01:01:03,590
S6: That's cool.

1349
01:01:03,590 --> 01:01:05,690
S3: Oh, I didn't know that, but.

1350
01:01:05,690 --> 01:01:07,670
S1: Yeah, but before anyone thinks that, that's like a spoiler

1351
01:01:07,670 --> 01:01:10,790
S1: or whatever, I think it's sort of like a anthology

1352
01:01:10,790 --> 01:01:13,190
S1: kind of a thing. They've got, like this cool creative

1353
01:01:13,220 --> 01:01:17,330
S1: team and they're going to solve more mysteries like this

1354
01:01:17,370 --> 01:01:19,800
S1: in Chicago in a very David E Kelley fashion.

1355
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,200
S3: So will Big Jake be in it still?

1356
01:01:22,500 --> 01:01:24,450
S1: They have not announced the cast. He's going to be Eeping.

1357
01:01:24,540 --> 01:01:26,160
S1: We don't know. We don't know how this series resolves.

1358
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:26,790
S1: You know, I think the.

1359
01:01:26,790 --> 01:01:28,470
S2: Finale is next Wednesday.

1360
01:01:28,470 --> 01:01:28,830
S6: Yeah.

1361
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,670
S1: So very excited for that. And I'm excited about that.

1362
01:01:32,670 --> 01:01:36,030
S1: Being back again next year. Very, very popular show. I

1363
01:01:36,030 --> 01:01:38,010
S1: don't know if you guys are detecting this, but in

1364
01:01:38,010 --> 01:01:40,890
S1: my life, like my normal friends are all loving this show.

1365
01:01:40,890 --> 01:01:42,630
S2: Everyone I know is watching it. Yeah, it's.

1366
01:01:42,630 --> 01:01:44,850
S1: And I say normal. Not in a patronizing way. Like

1367
01:01:44,850 --> 01:01:46,020
S1: in a very good way. If you're one of my

1368
01:01:46,020 --> 01:01:48,930
S1: normal friends, that's great, because you're not a weird freak

1369
01:01:48,930 --> 01:01:49,410
S1: like us.

1370
01:01:50,790 --> 01:01:52,800
S2: Um, I've got a really fun one. Uh, look, this

1371
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:54,630
S2: is a good impress your friends on, because you really

1372
01:01:54,630 --> 01:01:57,030
S2: could impress your friends by letting them know that you've

1373
01:01:57,030 --> 01:02:00,510
S2: listened to this band before a film about them comes out. Osman,

1374
01:02:00,510 --> 01:02:02,700
S2: I know you're across these guys, but look, the band

1375
01:02:02,700 --> 01:02:06,240
S2: is kneecap. They're a hip hop trio from West Belfast

1376
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,840
S2: in Northern Ireland. They've been around since kind of 2017.

1377
01:02:09,870 --> 01:02:13,860
S2: They rap in a mixture of English and Irish and

1378
01:02:13,860 --> 01:02:16,290
S2: basically they've got like a lot of kind of it's

1379
01:02:16,290 --> 01:02:19,650
S2: a crazy story. They, you know, their lyrics contain Republican themes,

1380
01:02:19,650 --> 01:02:21,750
S2: their whole rooted in the struggle of what's been going

1381
01:02:21,750 --> 01:02:25,350
S2: on in Northern Ireland. And the story of the band

1382
01:02:25,350 --> 01:02:27,240
S2: is set to be kind of told in a film

1383
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,370
S2: called kneecap also, which I've seen. It's coming to the

1384
01:02:29,370 --> 01:02:32,520
S2: Melbourne International Film Festival in August. The actual film gets

1385
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,940
S2: a wider release later in August, but the you know,

1386
01:02:35,940 --> 01:02:38,070
S2: these guys almost remind me they've got the same energy

1387
01:02:38,070 --> 01:02:40,560
S2: as like a one for like their lyrics are so

1388
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,960
S2: raw and real. Obviously there are songs that are in

1389
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,540
S2: Gaelic and then songs that are in English, but just

1390
01:02:45,540 --> 01:02:47,160
S2: listening to the music before you go and see the

1391
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:50,520
S2: film is such an experience to kind of like learn

1392
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,130
S2: about these guys lives in this part of the world that,

1393
01:02:53,130 --> 01:02:56,500
S2: you know, has had a historically very troubled time. Uh,

1394
01:02:56,500 --> 01:02:59,650
S2: the music is amazing. And I honestly, the reason I

1395
01:02:59,650 --> 01:03:01,930
S2: implore you to listen to it is because I reckon

1396
01:03:01,930 --> 01:03:04,630
S2: once kneecap gets a wider release, it will be one

1397
01:03:04,630 --> 01:03:06,400
S2: of the films of the year. All of the cool

1398
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:07,780
S2: people in your life will be like, fuck, we should

1399
01:03:07,780 --> 01:03:10,420
S2: go and see kneecap. The movie is amazing. It blew

1400
01:03:10,450 --> 01:03:13,360
S2: me away. I text you both several times individually after

1401
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,640
S2: seeing it to be like you will love it, especially

1402
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,890
S2: you oseman I can't even tell you how many of

1403
01:03:17,890 --> 01:03:22,420
S2: your specific areas of interest it hits individually. It's crazy.

1404
01:03:22,420 --> 01:03:25,420
S2: Like seriously, it's like you will just love it. But yeah,

1405
01:03:25,420 --> 01:03:28,060
S2: that's my recommendation to you guys. Go and listen to kneecap. Um,

1406
01:03:28,060 --> 01:03:30,310
S2: all of this stuff is on Spotify and yeah, I

1407
01:03:30,310 --> 01:03:31,720
S2: think you'll be blown away and it'll prep you for

1408
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:33,370
S2: the movie, which comes out later in August.

1409
01:03:33,370 --> 01:03:34,960
S6: Great rec, really good rec.

1410
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,240
S1: And I'm really glad you're so excited about it. I'm

1411
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:40,000
S1: really excited to see this film and you're interviewing the band,

1412
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,260
S1: and I'm really excited to read your interview with the band.

1413
01:03:42,500 --> 01:03:45,500
S2: Actually, I'm interviewing them this evening at 6 p.m., which

1414
01:03:45,500 --> 01:03:47,510
S2: is always how I wanted to warm up for game

1415
01:03:47,510 --> 01:03:48,440
S2: three of State of Origin.

1416
01:03:49,070 --> 01:03:49,430
S6: I was going.

1417
01:03:49,430 --> 01:03:52,790
S1: To say 6 p.m. and then what happens at 805?

1418
01:03:52,790 --> 01:03:56,030
S1: Kick off of the greatest game of all. We're at Suncorp. Um,

1419
01:03:56,030 --> 01:03:59,900
S1: Latrell is out. Well, how are we feeling? Team.

1420
01:03:59,900 --> 01:04:02,240
S3: Yeah, I mean, I guess we need to know the

1421
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:05,150
S3: odds and who you're betting on, because that's become our

1422
01:04:05,150 --> 01:04:06,130
S3: tradition now. Yeah.

1423
01:04:06,130 --> 01:04:06,430
S1: What are you.

1424
01:04:06,430 --> 01:04:07,390
S6: Tipping? Uh.

1425
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:11,500
S2: Look, I obviously am devastated about Latrell. Um, he's. He

1426
01:04:11,500 --> 01:04:13,150
S2: lives in my area. I've seen him walking around. He

1427
01:04:13,150 --> 01:04:15,010
S2: looks in good nick, to be honest. But that's good news.

1428
01:04:15,010 --> 01:04:17,410
S2: That's good. Yeah, but he obviously is not fit to play,

1429
01:04:17,410 --> 01:04:19,390
S2: I still think. I mean, I'm going with my heart

1430
01:04:19,390 --> 01:04:22,180
S2: this time. I'm thinking blues by 8 to 12. Uh,

1431
01:04:22,180 --> 01:04:24,880
S2: we're going to win the series at Suncorp. And yeah,

1432
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,120
S2: it'll be the exact, um, kind of fairy tale finish

1433
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:29,990
S2: for Madge in his first year as Blues coach up

1434
01:04:29,990 --> 01:04:30,500
S2: the Blues.

1435
01:04:30,530 --> 01:04:32,000
S3: I don't think that's going to happen.

1436
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:33,980
S1: That's absolutely not going to happen. And by the time

1437
01:04:33,980 --> 01:04:35,540
S1: people listen to this, they will know that we're just

1438
01:04:35,540 --> 01:04:37,040
S1: going to make it really, really funny.

1439
01:04:37,430 --> 01:04:39,020
S3: It's nice that you back your team, though. Well, like.

1440
01:04:39,260 --> 01:04:41,300
S2: I say, last episode, I fucking picked it to the

1441
01:04:41,300 --> 01:04:43,040
S2: point blues by 20.

1442
01:04:43,070 --> 01:04:45,590
S1: You did, you did. Okay, well, I'll be very happy

1443
01:04:45,590 --> 01:04:49,760
S1: and very surprised if that happens. Thomas. Mel, thanks so much, team.

1444
01:04:49,790 --> 01:04:52,580
S1: Fingers crossed for the Blues. See you next week. Bye bye.

1445
01:04:56,300 --> 01:04:59,360
S1: This episode of The Drop was produced by Che Huang.

1446
01:04:59,390 --> 01:05:02,150
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1447
01:05:02,150 --> 01:05:04,640
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1448
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,130
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1449
01:05:07,130 --> 01:05:10,100
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