1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: This is the Real Footy podcast Coming up. The Blues 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: find themselves in more Bob after losing to North Melbourne. 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: We ask what it means for the future of coach 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Michael Voss and changes at Princess Park, tagging tactics around 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: to the spotlight. The Bulldogs welcome back Jamara hugil Hagen 6 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: and a key sun Shuns offers to return home to 7 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: Melbourne so we can stay on the Gold Coast. 8 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 2: All of that and more. Right after this. 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: Kicks hits on fifty for the Giants, We're Cardi part 10 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: the back, close down Toby, that's a n tumbles to 11 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:36,959 Speaker 1: kick go for. 12 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 3: Josh Kakos, still the hill at the past Alien Niche Kakos, 13 00:00:47,880 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 3: the cheers he who checked Nick Half afternoon, Michael Voss 14 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 3: reading the right act to his Blues. They trial by 15 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 3: forty six points. 16 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 2: Our good lip, Rad to do your role. 17 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: Hell I'll welcome. My name is Michael Gleason and joining 18 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: me today at Jake Nile and Caroline Wilson, welcome to 19 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: you both. 20 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: Good morning everyone and interesting round Carolyn. 21 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 3: Glutz fascinating round only won, really good game. A couple 22 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 3: of well no that's not true, Cup. 23 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 24 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 3: The Expansion Cup was a great game and actually Brisbane's 25 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 3: performance against Geelong captivated me. Well done on breaking the 26 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 3: Matt Rowl story, Michael, thank you. We told everyone that 27 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 3: he was staying. At the start of the year. There 28 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 3: was a lot of talk he might end up at Geelong, but. 29 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: Well Geelong because particularly because he was known to have 30 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: met with some clubs last year that he met with. 31 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: But he met with several of them, and he met 32 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: with Luke beveryge and he met with Craig McCrae and 33 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: Chris Scott, but they weren't the only clubs. Essendon and 34 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: Sekilda were all very interested. But it was really down 35 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: to if he was to go, it would have been 36 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 1: basically I think Colin would or or the Bulldogs were 37 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: the two that he was very impressed with. Luke Beverigeon, 38 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: but he wondered to stay. So it's a good sign 39 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: for a good sign for the Suns. 40 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 3: Not very good signs for Carlton. You lead your four 41 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 3: point you lead your four points column on the Blues 42 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 3: this week. You've all but predicted that Michael Voss will 43 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 3: not be there. 44 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: I would be surprised at. 45 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 3: The start of next year, but You've also been quite 46 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 3: definitive that Carton will not do the old Carton and 47 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 3: second mid season. Why are you so convinced of that. 48 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: People I've spoken to there, I don't think that there's 49 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: any I don't think they think there's any benefit in 50 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: making those sorts of changes right now. Now. They're not 51 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: saying that that's going to happen either. They're not saying 52 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: that Voss has gone or anything like that. Those decisions 53 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: haven't been made. But I just don't see that sort 54 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: of change happening in the immediate sense. 55 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 3: What's your view, Jake, I don't say this. 56 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 2: I don't think from conversations I had over the journey. 57 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 2: I haven't spoken to a senior person. Yesterday I was off, 58 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 2: but I'd be surprised if it was done before the 59 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: end of the year. I'd be very surprised. But the 60 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: only thing I'd say is you do have to position 61 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: for assistant coaches sometimes, and I think changes will be 62 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 2: made in the assistant coaching ranks and possibly elsewhere in 63 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 2: the footy department. Voss, I think is a genuinely open question, 64 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 2: because there's cases there's a good case for, there's a 65 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: case against. There's also the question comes into it, which 66 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: it has at Carlton in the past, of who's available 67 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 2: and who's available. The only thing I'd say with Graham right, 68 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: Graham right is not necessarily the person that will just say, oh, 69 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 2: he's John Longmile, let's hire John longmye. If you look 70 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: at what happened at Collingwood when he had that decision 71 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: after Nathan Buckley, that was done mid season, that was 72 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 2: a much worse position that Collingwood was in relative to 73 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 2: their talent than Carlton. And he'd been there much much longer. 74 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 2: He's in his tenth year and he is out of contract, 75 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 2: and he was out of contract. So Voss has a 76 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 2: contract and I think there is going to be a 77 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: counter There's going to be an interesting discussion. 78 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 3: I think one more year after this, yes. 79 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: So there's going to be an interesting discussion of can 80 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 2: Carlton culturally do this after all the carnage they've had 81 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 2: with paying out coaches. Is that going to compromise or 82 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: are they going to make a decision saying if we 83 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 2: don't think he's the right person, we have to do it. 84 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: So it's a really intriguing call. To me. I'm not 85 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: going to call it right now which way it will go, 86 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 2: except that it will happen at the end of that 87 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 2: decision we made officially, at least at the end of 88 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 2: the season. 89 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: Some of those things can also and I'm not saying 90 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: that what the payout would be, but a lot of 91 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 1: them more the newer contracts are capping payments for coaches. 92 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 3: So I don't think Michael Voss is I reckon he'll 93 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 3: get the year. That's my understanding. I could be wrong, 94 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 3: but I think the wealthier clubs are very happy to 95 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 3: give them the time. And Carlton is still a wealthy club. 96 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: He got that contract after the preliminary final appearance, did 97 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 2: he not? I think he did. He got that extension, 98 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 2: so I don't like it on it So I think, 99 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 2: really there's a few options here for the Blues and 100 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 2: for Rob Priestley on the board and Graham. Right, if 101 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 2: Brian Cook was still there, what do you think, Caro, 102 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: I think he would be more obligated to stick with 103 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 2: Michael Voss. 104 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, Well, no, I don't. I don't think that. 105 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 3: I don't think that. I mean, Brian Cook does have 106 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 3: a history of sticking with coaches, but he sticks with 107 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 3: the ones who he thinks are capable of getting somewhere. 108 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 3: I think probably my personal view is Graham Right, whatever 109 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 3: he's going to do is already made up his mind 110 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 3: to the ninety percent, and I don't think it looks 111 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 3: great for Michael Boss. But I think that that is 112 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 3: just one of a raft of changes. And again I don't, 113 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 3: I don't. I'm not getting any information here, but the 114 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 3: footy department is not working well he's. 115 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: I think what we will see is that the handover 116 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: from Brian Cook to Graham Right was supposed to be October. 117 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: I think it'll be a bit more advanced than that 118 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: to to allow changes that will be made to be made. 119 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: Now that's not to suggest that Brian cooks an impediment 120 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: to that, but it is probably the moment of saying, Okay, 121 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: we're ready to make these these various changes, and there 122 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: will be change. I mean they just there just will be. 123 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: Now where who that who that is and who that's 124 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: limited to? Look, there's there. Grahame Rights spent basically the 125 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: year as the facto conducting with virtually a review of 126 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: the footing department. Yeah, because he's coming learning and yeah, 127 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: nobody's been. He's been learning the CEO stuff, but he's 128 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 1: also been very heavily focused on footing. He's been basically, 129 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: you know, looking at that and looking at how they 130 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: structure that and who who are the right people. Now, 131 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: there will be changes within that, but contracts will come 132 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: into it, which which coaches, which assistant coaches, which you know, 133 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: list manager recruiters are contracted and where, and so they'll 134 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: look at those. But there will be changed within that, 135 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: and that'll happen before the end of the season. 136 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 2: The other thing here is we're focusing on voss, but 137 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 2: there will be big calls made on players and I 138 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 2: think that that actually might be the the more intriguing 139 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 2: outcome here because they could do who knows what they 140 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 2: could do. I think it's a very simple equation. You say, well, 141 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 2: change the coach and change some assistant coaches. Well that's 142 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: that's pretty straightforward. But chie to be a hell of 143 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: a call to say, Okay, we're going to trade I'm 144 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 2: saying this for argument's. 145 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 3: Sake, We're going to trade Harry McKay. 146 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 2: Harry McKay, or we're going to trade Sam Wise. 147 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 3: Who would have had a lot more draft value last 148 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 3: year when Melbourne came to get him. Weren't they. 149 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: I think he'd still have read value. 150 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 2: Well, they weren't came to trade him for Petrarca. That 151 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: came up, and that came as a as a discussion point. 152 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 2: I don't think they wanted to trade Petrarca for if 153 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 2: they didn't, did they? No, No, I could have got 154 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 2: that deal done m Carlton. 155 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 3: But at some point they're going to have to bite 156 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 3: the bullet on the one of the well. 157 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 2: I mean big five or six, we're then I'll lose 158 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 2: to Conning. I think that likely, not more likely than not, 159 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 2: they'll lose lose to Conning. Not certainty, but the way 160 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 2: it's going. 161 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: But there are some other elements playing in the performance 162 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: you've got. McKay has been has been in and out 163 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: of the team with injuries and other issues that have 164 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: kept him out. Kerno had was three surgeries differently over 165 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: the over the off season, staggered throughout the off season, 166 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: so he was he only just got to the line 167 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: to play early in the season, so he's not been 168 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: fully fit either. 169 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 2: All. 170 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're there are two sort of strengths as 171 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 1: those two guys up forward, but the game itself needs 172 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: to be addressed some of these decisions, as you say, 173 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: Mikaile will tom to Coney will be taken. You know, 174 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: they won't be there Carlton's decisions. They'll they'll be the 175 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: player's decisions. The problem they have in seeking to rebuild 176 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: right now is that this is a terrible draft, and 177 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: in one sense that's a good thing that they traded 178 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: Jagger Smith last year. They traded this his first round 179 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: pick to get Smith. So they've already got this, hope, 180 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: hopefully elite talent that a. 181 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 3: First round pick still a first round pick. 182 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's a lot of other players that will 183 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: push those picks around. Now they'll get a first round 184 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: pick if de Coning leaves, and so they'll have something 185 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: there now. You can either use that or trade it 186 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,599 Speaker 1: either to clubs for more picks for points, or you 187 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: can trade it for another player. They're an attractive club 188 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 1: still to go to, notwithstanding some of the stuff that's 189 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: been going on. They are still a destination club. 190 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 3: For plays, well extraordinarily and they've had, you know, the 191 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,719 Speaker 3: off field year has been dreadful as well. They've had 192 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 3: you know, it's been touch with scandal, you know, several times. 193 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 3: They still managed to get over one hundred thousand members 194 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 3: a team that doesn't have one hundred thousand members, and 195 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 3: we just should mention is North Melbourne. That was a 196 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 3: ninety plus point turnaround from the good Friday debarc Jake 197 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 3: and unfortunately North didn't quite really put them away as 198 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 3: it looked like they were going to at three quarter time. 199 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 3: But we should acknowledge that they they have had a 200 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 3: great six weeks North Melbourne since that draw with Brisbane. 201 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and not only that, but it is interesting for 202 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 2: the criticism of the Perth deal and I don't like 203 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 2: the selling of the game to Fremantle as a concept. 204 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 2: I don't like home teams essentially getting an extra game 205 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 2: through a financial arrangement at their home ground with travel. 206 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 2: But the word out of North strongly is that this 207 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 2: has been a bonding exercise and that the players have 208 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 2: gotten closer together and this is actually their benefiting from 209 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 2: that for to take. 210 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 3: So many boxes two and a half million dollars, the 211 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 3: AFL have been able to appease the two wa clubs 212 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 3: by giving them an extra home game. North aren't going 213 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 3: to do much anyway this year. Yes, if Fremantle just 214 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 3: get in and say the Bulldogs or Gold goes just 215 00:10:59,160 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 3: missing out. 216 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 2: Will be a controversy. 217 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,599 Speaker 3: So, but they've got so many disadvantages of wester his 218 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 3: training clubs. I just think of all the compromises footy makes, 219 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 3: this is a pretty good one. 220 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 2: If you're going to do it, if you're going to 221 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 2: let it to him, get it. Five ended up with 222 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 2: thirteen games in their state, nine out of their state. 223 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 2: The WA teams are the ones. 224 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, and they don't have to gather around. I mean 225 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 3: they don't have opening round. 226 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: But more specifically to the footy they've been playing. The 227 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: way they've been playing has been really impressive. And you know, 228 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: I'll be critical of the recruiting of Daniel and Parker 229 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: and Darling for it. 230 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 3: Has been good. 231 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Parker, I don't like I'm not sure where 232 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: the Daniel and Numb and Darling recruitments take you. Yeah, 233 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: that Parker I can see because there. 234 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 3: Were moments, you know, when it got a bit iffy, 235 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 3: you know, in the game on the weekend, when I 236 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 3: thought he really stood up and showed a lot of leadership. 237 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: Mccurr wh is he's talented. 238 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 2: He's a talent and he would be high on the 239 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 2: Tasmania target list. 240 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: So and George Wordler who was who was sat down 241 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: for the last quarter given these injury history. 242 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 2: And Clarko dropped a couple of players Griffin Lowe included 243 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 2: to try and get a better defensive response, and it's 244 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 2: seems to have worked. So it's because they held Carlton 245 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 2: and Pink you wouldn't expect Yeah, yeah, all the Tybee 246 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 2: Pink sort of a new cult figure. And he kept 247 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 2: Charlie Curno goalless. And he's held Tom Lynch, he's held 248 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 2: Logan Morris to nothing. 249 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 3: You know, they're heading towards in a couple of weeks 250 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 3: here big hundredth anniversary game against the Bulldogs. It wouldn't 251 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 3: expect them to win, but they're going in with a 252 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 3: lot more momentum than they were a month ago exactly. 253 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 2: But this is sort of what I hope they'd be 254 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 2: they should have. I mean, there's another way of looking 255 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 2: at this. We're looking at this as I have completely 256 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 2: underachieved in this game. But then you start to look 257 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 2: at the actual midfield players. Does Car'ton have anyone like 258 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 2: Luke Davies unia he can explode away from the stoppage, 259 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 2: do they No, No, they don't. Do they have someone like, 260 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 2: you know, you start to go through the Harry Sheesel's 261 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 2: a ball mag that like some of the talent that 262 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 2: North have got is better than some of the Carlton talent. 263 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 2: It's just not as mature. Yeah, I think that's something 264 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 2: that's going to be lost in all this. 265 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: Harry Cheesel moved forward too, He's moved all around, and 266 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: it's the early criticisms. 267 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: He's very backable Treasury Bond, isn't he as a player? 268 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: Yeah? So Carlton, I mean the point of this game 269 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: because you can still look at Carton and say they're 270 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: sitting tenth. You know, why why are we talking so 271 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: dramatically about them? Well, there are two games outside the 272 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: eight they've lost to the side that's finished bottom two 273 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: for the last five years. It doesn't it's it's difficult 274 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: to see from this point here how Carlton recovers. 275 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 2: Just so one thing too, Sam Walsh might be the 276 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 2: most important player when you look at what they don't 277 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 2: have and what they do have. 278 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: Well, right now it seems like Jagger Smith's the most 279 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: important player and he's yet to play a game. 280 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 3: Poor Jackos Smith. I'm feeling sorry for him. I mean 281 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 3: that when Carlton. People say, oh, but we haven't had 282 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 3: Jagger Smith. Come on, guys, I mean Richmond have got 283 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 3: some really good early draft picks. They don't make that 284 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 3: much difference when it's all said and done. Now you've 285 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 3: all You also wrote about the wind Hager tagging job 286 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 3: on Nick Daykos He's ended up getting I think a 287 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 3: fifteen hundreds. 288 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: Think the slap, Yeah, very grainy footage. He was, Yeah 289 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: for the knee. Look, it was just more about the 290 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: fact that Ross well what I wrote, But you know, 291 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: there can be a bit of a the rest of 292 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: the comp sort of goes o. So Decos gets tag 293 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: suddenly it's a big issue and other players do get tagged. 294 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: That's absolutely true. But the fact of it is that. 295 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 3: The coach for US two years ago, didn't. 296 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: He Yeah, yeah, but he's one of the It's because 297 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: they're also their box office, so you see it. You 298 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: watch it. He's one of the better players, so you're 299 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: seeing it. 300 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 3: So did he overstep the mark Winter? 301 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: I think some of those were old school sort of niggling, 302 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: you know, Stephen baker Ish tactics. 303 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, but and did the umpires do enough then? 304 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: Jake, Well, you can't see everything you can't see everything. 305 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 2: It just with four umpires. Maybe you need to assign 306 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 2: attacker umpire. I don't know. The behind the goal footage 307 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 2: showed there was some stuff that would be a free kick, 308 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 2: but it was funny to hear ross lyin, so that 309 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 2: suggested you got too it. Maybe maybe I think ross was. 310 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: I did feel that the first the early free kicks 311 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: were something of a reaction to the King's Birthday, where 312 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: in the first quarter of King's Birthday, the whole crowd 313 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: was on to the fact that there was this tight 314 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: tag going on and there's a lot of grabbing and holding, 315 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: and it was and it was unpenalized. Now I think 316 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: that I got the sense that they've looked at that 317 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: as well and thought, hello, we need to tighten up. 318 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: You can't just have bloke scrabbed and scragged and not 319 00:15:59,320 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: get a run of them. 320 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 2: This is time immemorial. This has been going on. Yeah, 321 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 2: and it periodically comes in. I actually thought it was 322 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 2: good theater in the game in a game that might 323 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 2: not have been that entertaining to the neutral observer. Having 324 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 2: decos Windhager cam and seeing this happen gave an entertainment 325 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 2: point and Dacos also did very well to fight back 326 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 2: and at the end of the game kicked that crucial goal. 327 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: Well, at the game, the entertainment was in seeing at 328 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: the very first time Scott Pendlebury came on the ground. 329 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: Now I'm not sure if the TV footage picked this up, 330 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: but he came on the ground because as wind Haeger 331 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: was coming off, following Dakos off the ground and another 332 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: Sekilda guy had come on as well, and Pendlebury stood 333 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: there and waited, and he waited to get to Windhager 334 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: and to confront him, and pushed him and shoved him 335 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: and was in his face and pointing the finger and 336 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: really threatned sort of having a go at him, which 337 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: is very Unpendlebury, and he hadn't even been on the 338 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: ground yet Penderby. But it was very much this statement 339 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: of we're going to make life just as hard for 340 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: you today if you're going to make your life hard 341 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: for Decloss. And you could see that throughout the game. 342 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: A lot of players from steel side Bottom to ed Allen, 343 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: you know, from the old to the young, which we're 344 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: really pushing in and McCreary and really trying to put 345 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: body on winder to let him know we will be 346 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: doing the same to you. 347 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 2: Well, Jack Chris made comments to that effect. 348 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, they were about to protect you after the game, after. 349 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 2: The game to Danny Russell and Dannie Russell, So yeah, 350 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 2: it's it's it's it's a very much an it's very 351 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 2: much on their mind. But it is an argument among 352 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 2: coaches in at the clubs, at various clubs that having 353 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 2: the hard tag actually doesn't it allows the opposition to 354 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 2: do things to you. So it doesn't necessarily. 355 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 3: Doggie dog you mean, well, no. 356 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 2: You can position the player somewhere at the center bounce 357 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 2: that can help you get a clearance because of the 358 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 2: way you manipulate he's following him, you're not following the 359 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 2: ball smooth to full forward and. 360 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:57,959 Speaker 1: Things like that. 361 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 2: The opposition can then move you around. But ross Lyon's 362 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 2: pretty smart on this. 363 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: That's that's in a strategic sense. 364 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't be glib, but my best tagging story 365 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 3: from the weekend was listening to Isaac Heeney after the 366 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 3: Port Adelaide game when at the start of the game, 367 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 3: I think it was Bergman who was tagging him, and 368 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 3: he said, the other kid told me at the start 369 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 3: of the game he wasn't feeling he was feeling a 370 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 3: bit crooked. So maybe can you believe a player would 371 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 3: tell someone, look, I'm actually a bit off, bit off 372 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 3: carlor Lake, he might be well, doesn't seriously, maybe would 373 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 3: you believe it? Well, Heeney said that he said it interview. 374 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: That's like plays with an injured right shoulder, going out 375 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: with the with the strapped up left shoulders players. 376 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 3: He played like it was feeling a bit sick too. 377 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: But would have felt sick at the end of the game. 378 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 3: I mentioned telling someone that. Anyway, I thought it was 379 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 3: quite funny. 380 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: All right, we'll take a break there, come back and 381 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: talk more about the Bulldogs and Jeremy McGovern's medical retirement. 382 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 2: We're online all the time, just search age real footy 383 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 2: on Facebook or Twitter. And then lost it trying to 384 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 2: what hands and he gave it back to the part 385 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 2: he's got an life for them. 386 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: Out of the boat. 387 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 2: He's gone. We'll welcome back. 388 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: The Bulldogs are back in the eight and more importantly, 389 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: they're back with Sam Darcy playing well and Bond in 390 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: the team. But the other thing was that Jamara was 391 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: back at training last week and he's spoken on the 392 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: rip through it podcast with Football's Oprah Winfrey Mitch Robinson 393 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: and giving us a better understanding. We I've actually felt 394 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: like I understood a bit more of the depth. Pretty raw, complicated. 395 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. I had to chat to people at the AFL 396 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 3: last week, and I mean because Laura Kane has been 397 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 3: doing a lot of work with him and it's been 398 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 3: pretty Gillers sort of contact throughout all the dramas and 399 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 3: would reject out of hand that he was ever completely 400 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 3: off the rails, which you know, there were some terrible 401 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 3: stories going around and obviously there were some major issues. 402 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: Particularly head of the finals, lay during the finals. 403 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, but look in the end and you wouldn't have 404 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 3: picked three months ago, Jake that Jamara would be back 405 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 3: at the club. And you know, even vague took that 406 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 3: he might even played a senior game. But you know, 407 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 3: it looks like he will play a VFL game. You 408 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 3: want good players in the game, however badly they've believed 409 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 3: and however troubled. 410 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 2: He's also twenty two, exactly, He's not twenty eight. Now. 411 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 2: It's different to some other people who've had multiple, multiple 412 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 2: chances and have had a lot of issues, and there's 413 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 2: a as long as he the thing I get down to, 414 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 2: as long as he takes responsibility for his actions and 415 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 2: he gets hold of his life with help, but takes 416 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 2: responsibility with getting help. And that's that's all it gets 417 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 2: down to. And people who make excuses constantly don't get 418 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 2: anywhere baby, who take responsibility and who get help the 419 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 2: right help. 420 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 3: So the podcast interview, there was a you could call 421 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 3: them excuses, but you could also call them the bulldogs 422 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 3: of you know, a meet. Baines has repeatedly said, you 423 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 3: cannot understand the depth of what this guy did. You know, 424 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 3: he burst onto the scene. He didn't get a game 425 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 3: for a long time. They're obviously off field, he hues. 426 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 3: You know, he had a pretty it was a party boy. 427 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 3: He was always been photographed with mea favola. You know, 428 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 3: he was here, there and everywhere. And then you know, 429 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 3: and there was a reason obviously he wasn't getting a game. 430 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 3: And then there was that period where he looked like 431 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 3: it could be anything, and in the end his right 432 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 3: to recovery was going to be through it. 433 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: Footy. 434 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 3: That's the road to recovery, isn't it if he can 435 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 3: make it stick. 436 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: And partly, I mean it's also a matter of how 437 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: you manage the rest of your life, and footy can 438 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: help you with that, but he's also got to help 439 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: himself with that, and people and the welfare and other 440 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: people will be helping. But I think there's some friends 441 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: that he probably and and people that he's been hanging 442 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: out with that may not be the healthiest thing for 443 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: him as far as his footy career, and therefore and 444 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: the way things have gone with him away from they 445 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: might have been that helpful for him in a life sense. 446 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: And he spoke about that being, you know, in his terms, 447 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: on the piss a lot and hanging out with them 448 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: but not really going anywhere. So I think there's a 449 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: bit of agency for him in that as far as 450 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: not just football is the great redeemer, but he can 451 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: be the great redeemer for himself in that. 452 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 3: And in a wider context, you know, they've got Darcy back, 453 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 3: Marcus Bontonpelli is playing like a Brownlow medallist, you know, 454 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 3: after they missed him for all those all those weeks 455 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 3: six weeks or something with it or seven weeks. That 456 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 3: midfield is I mean, people say it's the best in 457 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 3: the competition, and you can mount that argument with the 458 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 3: way they're playing at. 459 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 1: The Lime homes and. 460 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 2: Injured. It doesn't it doesn't really stop anything, does no. 461 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 3: But you look at this Friday night, so they're playing 462 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 3: Sydney at home. Sydney have also got their personnel back 463 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 3: and what a difference that made, particularly seeing Aerol Golden 464 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 3: run around again. But you know the thing is there's 465 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 3: still only just in the eight and gold Coast have 466 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 3: got an extra game in their kid. I think they've 467 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 3: got so they need to see that. 468 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: The Bulldogs have got some points of difference that make 469 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: them the massive that we've spoken about it on here 470 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: before about them being a Premiership threat. Their biggest issue 471 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: for me, and that is I think their bottom four 472 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: or five players is weaker than the other top teams, 473 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: but their top five, the top players are as good 474 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: as anyone's. Like Sam Darci is, like Jeremy Cameron, he 475 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: is this sort of incredible talent that is, you know, 476 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: as I say, a point of difference to others and 477 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,959 Speaker 1: incredibly hard to stop. And they do have that midfield 478 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: and they've got Bond. I was thinking that with like 479 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: the Dacos discussion, Bonds and Crips and these guys, because 480 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 1: they're the big midfielders. The bigger midfielders, they're not as 481 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 1: routinely the tagged in that style of way because they're 482 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: just so much harder to this, that much more powerful 483 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: to stop. 484 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 2: Well, look, I think that you can look at some 485 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 2: premierships that are one where you get an overlap between 486 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 2: one or two champions who are at near the tail 487 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 2: end of their career and you have emerging superstars coming up. 488 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 2: And for instance, Colin Wood had the end of the 489 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 2: Pendlebury era and side Bottom to a lesser degree coming 490 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 2: in with Nick Daykos coming up, and they managed to 491 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 2: get this little ven diagram, this little intersection of those 492 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 2: careers and you can be lucky. I mean Richmond going 493 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 2: way back, Carrow had Royce Hard and Kevin Bartlett right 494 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 2: through their most of their glory era together Francis Burke. 495 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 2: So you get players together. But if you get the 496 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 2: young one with the old one now Botom Pelly, there's 497 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 2: a Bottom Pelly Darcy intersection and that period the Bulldogs 498 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 2: have to win a premiership. They have to get a 499 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 2: flat that are generational like that, generational talents and Bono 500 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 2: Pelly performance and Darcy ability. You have to get a 501 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,239 Speaker 2: flag out of it and then you can throw an 502 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 2: Ed Richards is a very good player, so you always 503 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 2: have other very good players. They've got the absolutely they 504 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 2: should be accepting nothing less than a flag in the 505 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 2: next three years. 506 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 3: So they got up to Sydney on Friday night. I 507 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 3: mean Brisbane were thirteenth this time last year, but Brisbane 508 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 3: had played in a Grand Final the year before. The Bulldogs, 509 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 3: you know about out pretty quickly out of the finals, 510 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 3: straight away out of the finals last year. So they 511 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 3: need to beat Sydney. They absolutely need to win that 512 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 3: game and then it's you know, if they can start 513 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 3: beating some teams in the top eight from. 514 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: Three weeks ago, it's now a really good game where 515 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: Sydney a few weeks ago. That Sydney is now getting 516 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 1: their players back. And you know he's made some calls 517 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: as well, Cox some people like Olli Florent that have 518 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: found themselves back out of the team. You know, he's 519 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: made some hard calls and they're playing much better footing 520 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: now Sydney and the Bulldogs. Do you think we the 521 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: bud of the beverage reappointment. By the time it came around, 522 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: it was unsurprising, but from earlier in the year. We 523 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 1: did you expect it to play out that way? 524 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 3: Juri is still out for mine. I mean, he's clearly 525 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 3: a brilliant coach, but he seems to me like an 526 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 3: impact coach of four or five years. And it would 527 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 3: have been brilliant to go over to somewhere like Carton 528 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 3: or Melbourne next year. And Melbourne certainly talked about him 529 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 3: earlier this year and didn't do anything. And well no 530 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 3: one did anything. No one I don't think contacted him 531 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 3: from other clubs. Look, they've stuck with the man they 532 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 3: know and love. He's made changes, They've made changes to 533 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 3: the foota department, got a much stronger footy boss. Now 534 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 3: it seems to be the perfect storm for Luke Beveridge, 535 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 3: who's sort of I don't think he's reinvented himself, but 536 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 3: he was on a charm offensive and he softened some edges. Yeah, 537 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 3: well he's sought to his master. Well he sought to look, 538 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 3: as I said, clearly a brilliant coach. I would have 539 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 3: loved to have seen him go to another club and 540 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 3: take them to a flag, which I think he's capable 541 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 3: of doing in a very short time. 542 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: And so Jake, speaking of impactful Jake Stringer, the super 543 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,959 Speaker 1: sub well unwrapping the package. 544 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 2: It's exactly what you get him for, isn't it. You 545 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 2: know he's never going to be Jake's never going to be, 546 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 2: you know, leading the taking charge of leadership group meetings. 547 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 3: And you know, probably slightly ahead of Sub though myself, but. 548 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 2: Well suits his physiology. He's an explosive power player and 549 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 2: he took the moment. He kicked two great goals and 550 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 2: they wouldn't have won the game without that. And who knows, 551 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 2: I mean, because the think about the Giants is their 552 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 2: best in their worst. There's still a bit of a 553 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 2: gap even within games. But who would want to play 554 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 2: them in a final? No matter where it's played. 555 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: It was from the son. The sons will come away 556 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: disappointed because they know you lead that game. They could 557 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: have got out to six goals nearly. In fact, the 558 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 1: moment they could have got out to that was when 559 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: Callen Brown's jumping around on the mark being caught. You 560 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: could hear through the through the audio three times the 561 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: umpire calling stand and you can see him running around 562 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 1: and you think, how's that not a fifty meter penalty 563 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: which would have been a goal, a kick taken at 564 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: the goals on the goal line. But despite wearing some 565 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,479 Speaker 1: sort of pseudo West Coast jumper and playing away, they 566 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: got that. They got the jump And was there any 567 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: do you come away disheartened? Do you come away with 568 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: was there was there a disgrace in losing that game 569 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 1: to that team? 570 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 3: Then they just can't win there? Dropping out, they can't 571 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 3: win there. They should have. They were in a bit 572 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 3: the best position they've ever been in to win at 573 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 3: eng Stadium and they blew it really and now, albeit 574 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 3: with a game in hand, they're out of the Ape's 575 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 3: just an observation. 576 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 2: Looking at the ladder here, it looks like you'll need 577 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 2: least thirteen to get in. So if there was a 578 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 2: team funnily enough to make it run at it, fancy 579 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 2: it would be Sydney. If there is going to be 580 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 2: a team come from the clouds like Carton did a 581 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 2: couple of years ago, you'd say it's the Swans. Well, 582 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 2: but it probably won't happen. 583 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: Gold Coast have got their home games. They they've got 584 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: Essendon twice in the back half and they've got Richmond. 585 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: So you've got to get you've got to win five. Ye, 586 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: they've got to win five on that to get in. 587 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, they should make it. They could, well they don't. 588 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 3: If they don't, maybe a borderline again, if they don't 589 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 3: make it, it's a bit of a scandal, to be brief, She. 590 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 2: Sort of look at this freemantle of nine and five 591 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 2: and a sixth at the moment they've played fourteen, they 592 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 2: just don't look anywhere near as capable as the Bulldogs 593 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 2: or the Giants. Even it's it's and haven't had as 594 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 2: good a year in my view as Gold Coast, although 595 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 2: Gold Coast have got that game in hands. So gold 596 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,239 Speaker 2: Coast only played thirteen, so gold Coast have done. They 597 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 2: should make the finals, yep. 598 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 3: And if they don't, it's a disgrace. 599 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 2: Well, not a disgrace, of course, it is. 600 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 3: Jake with the players they've got. Well, it is a disgrace. 601 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 2: No that there's another word you can use. It's disappointed. 602 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 3: It's a savage disappointment. 603 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: What'd you think of the amusing moment at least amusing 604 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: moment of the play on call from a player on 605 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: the ground. 606 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 3: And so mac Andrew's teammate. 607 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: Well that's what was reported at the time that mac 608 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: Andrew's teammate, So Mac Andrew is standing on the mark. 609 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: For those who didn't see mac Andrew's standing on the mark, 610 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: and Jesse Hogan's lining up for goal. It's about fifty 611 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: meters out and he's readying to go, readying to take 612 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: his kick in, someone's called play on. You can hear 613 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: it through the thing now. It was either mac Andrew's 614 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: teammate trying to panic Jesse Hogan into playing on, and 615 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: I think they've agreed that it was a Gold Coast player, 616 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: but instead mac Andrew Bank just heard it and ran 617 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: to tackle Hogan and therefore was done for running over 618 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: the mark and penalties sort of made you wonder why 619 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: it doesn't happen more often. 620 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,719 Speaker 3: Yes, if it had been an opposition player and they 621 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 3: could prove that, would they have not given the fifty. 622 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 2: I think the rules have anticipated this. There's nothing in 623 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 2: the rule says if an opposition player says play on 624 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 2: and you then rush in, there will be no fifty. 625 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: But like hearing someone in the crowd blowing a whistle, 626 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: you know, and they said, well I didn't blow it, 627 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: so I can keep going. Was amusing, if nothing else. Sadly, 628 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: Jeremy McGovern has been forced into retirement through the Yeah. 629 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 3: We should acknowledge a great career, great career, and a 630 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 3: really great parting speech. I thought, Jake, you know where 631 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 3: he sort of was philosophical. He's obviously tasted great success, 632 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 3: he's tasted great disappointment. He hasn't gone out the way 633 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 3: he would have wanted. But he is in his early 634 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 3: thirties thirty three, isn't he so so I'm not discounting. 635 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 3: You just pray that you know, he has a good 636 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 3: and healthy life and this does not impact him as 637 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 3: he gets older. But it's a sign of the times 638 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,479 Speaker 3: and it's going to keep happening, and unfortunately people are 639 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 3: going to have to change the way they play Gleaton. 640 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 2: Yep, because it's really look first of all, we don't 641 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 2: want the fact that it's in a concussion of retirement 642 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 2: to overshadow what was a great career. I can't think 643 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 2: back to the twenty eight and Grand Final when he 644 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 2: had this internal injuries and you know, you'd speak to 645 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 2: West Coast people that he managed to play and if 646 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 2: he hadn't played, there's no way they would have won 647 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 2: that game. And you remember that last player in the game. 648 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 3: That last play was hilarious because which he was part 649 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 3: of that major famous link of the change. 650 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 2: Or he took the mark, he took the intercept mark. 651 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: And he also admitted he took the intercept mark because 652 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: he was cooked and couldn't get back on the player 653 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: he was supposed to be on, and then the ball 654 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: fell to him because he was out of position, not 655 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: being able to anyway. 656 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 2: He got up and played and they won the premiership 657 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 2: and it was a great effort and. 658 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 3: He'll be able to celebrate that for the rest of you. 659 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, but with the concussions, Yeah, we're just going to 660 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 2: be You're right, We're just going to have to get 661 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 2: used to it. And it is. Yeah, it is a 662 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 2: someone called it a meeting. You're coming at the game, Yeah, 663 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 2: Commission I think said that. 664 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 3: That's one of the reasons I think Jeff Brown would 665 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 3: make a great chairman. I mean, someone who understands the rules, 666 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 3: the implications of footy, who wrote the rules, who will 667 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 3: be all over the legal ramifications, and has been I 668 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 3: think quite critical of the AFL's handling in the past 669 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 3: of concussion and the way they've handled that legally. For 670 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 3: so many reasons, I think he'd be a great choice. 671 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 3: Just putting it out there. 672 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd like to see the field. I'd like to 673 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: see the alternatives rather than just say Craig. 674 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 3: Drumming the John Wiley I think has had had some support, 675 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 3: whether he's still in or not, but they're the name 676 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 3: of Gordon. Yeah, I'm not sure he's still in there. 677 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 3: If he's got the support of all the clubs. I 678 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 3: think Peter Gordon make good chairman. 679 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: He might be a bit not divisive, but he may 680 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: not have as popular right across the board. I think 681 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: he's smart. 682 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 3: I think Brown's got more support, significantly more support anyway. 683 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: Right, we'll take a break there, come back with quick questions. 684 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: Get access to every episode as it drops, Get subscribe 685 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. They're doing it again. The 686 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: lines in a little of Ashcraft one more over the 687 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: top and they are cutting the Cats and the Rivens and. 688 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,280 Speaker 2: Fifty and morrisl Chickies fifty. 689 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: Well, welcome back Carrow. It was a whiteout, a cotton 690 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: on whiteout at the Cattery last week, having lost on 691 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: Patrick Dangerfields one hundred and fiftieth game and at home 692 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: well other clubs attempt a whiteout. 693 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 3: Well, I mean it was a lot of money from 694 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 3: this spoint. So cotton on, wasn't it. Apparently each T 695 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,320 Speaker 3: shirt costs him about five bucks, so there were forty 696 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,399 Speaker 3: thousand T shirts. That's two hundred grand. Yeah, I mean 697 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,360 Speaker 3: on them, they're trying something a bit different. It was 698 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 3: a pity for them that they lost. But they just 699 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 3: can't beat Brisbane, Jake, can they No, No, they can't 700 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 3: beat them anywhere. 701 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 2: Look, look, let's let's look at the great performance from Brisbane. 702 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 2: Some of the just a shout out to human clock. 703 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 2: He wasn't best on the ground, it was. It was 704 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 2: Harris Andrews was the best player on the ground and 705 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 2: I hope he gets the brown Low votes given that 706 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 2: defenders don't don't get them. As an interesting suggestion, I 707 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 2: think j Clark ran this that of getting a Defender's Award, 708 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 2: which I think is a good idea for the NFL. 709 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 2: But yeah, but I thought Brisbane's ball movement and their 710 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 2: class on their finish was fantastic. Was it just a 711 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 2: bad David along Probably Well at. 712 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 1: The moment, yes, that's all it was. But those sorts 713 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: of losses you only know whether they were a mulligan 714 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: later on, when when you see the greater body of 715 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: work for now you do agree, you know, Chris Scott, Well, 716 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,879 Speaker 1: it was just we have to consign it as that. 717 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 3: But they clearly weren't. I mean, Lee Matthews said on 718 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,399 Speaker 3: Saturday about they spent you know, it was a bit 719 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 3: of party mode. You know, they were celebrating, you know, 720 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 3: the game. It was a big game for them, celebrating 721 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 3: one hundredth of a new player and relatively new payer 722 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 3: and Tyson Stengel and the three fiftieth of danger. And 723 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 3: did they to the slightest degree, slightest n degree take 724 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 3: their eye off the ball? I mean they know, yeah, 725 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 3: and if it's you give them a mulligan. But they 726 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,919 Speaker 3: were well and truly smacked, weren't they. 727 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 728 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 3: And Brisbane well and truly back in it up to 729 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 3: two losses, which the coach kept saying, but they weren't 730 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 3: really losses. 731 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 2: Brisbane seemed to need to be a challenge. They seem 732 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 2: to need stimulation. 733 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. Is the curfew affecting Noah Bolter and 734 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 1: how he plays because he had a bit of a 735 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 1: stinker on someday. 736 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,839 Speaker 3: Well, I hope that's it, because you know, I mean, 737 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 3: Cane Corn said on our show a few weeks ago, 738 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 3: that he should just they shouldn't play it for the 739 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 3: rest of the year because his stop start thing is 740 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 3: clearly afecting his footy. I think that's probably a bit 741 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 3: harsh or a bit strong, but he was Sam Darcy 742 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,439 Speaker 3: just slaughtered him. And the way he played Bolter it 743 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 3: was without plan, it was without strategy, with some bizarre 744 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 3: sort of things, and it must be. It can't be 745 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 3: good for your footy to have gone through what he's 746 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,800 Speaker 3: gone through and to be playing one week not playing 747 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 3: the next. The bigger long term worry for me is 748 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 3: it a seven year contract he signed? 749 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 2: Yep? 750 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 3: I mean he's not playing like a player worthy of 751 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 3: that sort of deal. 752 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 2: Well, he may have been. He may have had a 753 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 2: whole lot of the year completely by the magistrate. From 754 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 2: that case. 755 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 1: Jake will stake a state of origin, make a comeback 756 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,959 Speaker 1: next year and will that be a good thing? Pete 757 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: Ryan's written about it. The way government pushing making a 758 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 1: push for a way VIC game next year. 759 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 2: Oh look, it would be interesting to see, yes, whether 760 00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 2: it's long term. I don't think you can do it 761 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 2: every year. 762 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 3: And it's a called for this, Jake. You called for these, 763 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 3: didn't you? Celebration games? 764 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 2: I thought I was thinking afl W. I think the 765 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,359 Speaker 2: afl WS it's got real. 766 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 3: They need Australia v. 767 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 2: Island and I think they've got to do it an 768 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 2: all star game Erin's team against Daisy's or something like that. Yeah, 769 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 2: I think it needs No, I'm not sure. I'm not 770 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 2: as convinced about state of origin because there's so many 771 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 2: good players in Queensland and in other northern territory now 772 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 2: it doesn't line up as easily with w A and 773 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 2: s A v. VIC as it used to. 774 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I think they'll call it this. The plan 775 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 3: is w A v. Victoria in the first instance, given 776 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 3: that gather around soon afterwards, et cetera, et cetera, and 777 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 3: then if it but in the end, do you care 778 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 3: that it's just an exhibition game? I mean, I love 779 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 3: the Indigenous All Stars game. I thought that and it 780 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 3: was clearly, you know, wasn't a serious game. Soccer have friendlies. 781 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 3: They're really popular. 782 00:38:58,480 --> 00:38:59,800 Speaker 2: If you look at if you look at what's happened 783 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 2: in in r L, which is taken over this this 784 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,280 Speaker 2: idea that came out of the old VFL in nineteen 785 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 2: back in your father's day, Carow. I mean it was 786 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 2: a huge thing, and that ignited in state of origin 787 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 2: to have it. The reason why it works in state 788 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 2: of n RL is because it is full on it's 789 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 2: bigger than the club. 790 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: It's bigger than that point. 791 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 2: It's bigger than the whereas we would we're here in 792 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,839 Speaker 2: the AFL, it would be something that's smaller than the club. 793 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 1: Well, this is as a concept that's it's popular with fans, 794 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 1: but not with clubs, so that the fans will like 795 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: the idea of having this state of origin contest. But 796 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 1: it's just persuading clubs to risk their players and therefore 797 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 1: risk a flag. It just never gets It's why it 798 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: always sort of fizzles in the end because players start 799 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 1: pulling out and aren't available. So if it's just that 800 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,839 Speaker 1: exhibition game pre season, and. 801 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 3: It's pretend it's anything else, no, that's right. 802 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 1: It's that's why I'm saying I won't ever get that 803 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,359 Speaker 1: sort of gravitask to it that will allow it to 804 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:07,800 Speaker 1: be on a par with the news of the NRL types. 805 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,359 Speaker 3: But given practice games are so boring that you may 806 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 3: as well do something like this. I mean, it's sort 807 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,719 Speaker 3: of a glorified practice game that has a bit more 808 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 3: interest Jake, nothing wrong with that. 809 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I don't mind saying it, but it's not 810 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 2: going to be at the I've got. 811 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: And on that note, that is all we've got time 812 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 1: for for this week. Thanks to both of you, Jack 813 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: Caro for joining us, and thanks to Channel seven and 814 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 1: Fox Footy for the audio we've used in this episode. 815 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:33,719 Speaker 1: If you'd like to get in touch, you can do 816 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,479 Speaker 1: so via email, Real Footy pod at Theage dot com 817 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,920 Speaker 1: dot au. 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