Speaker 1: This on two GB, four BC and network stations. This
Speaker 1: is Wake Up Lustrod, Yeah with fill O'Neil.
Speaker 2: Good morning. How are you nearly July already? Can you
Speaker 2: believe it?
Speaker 3: Do you think?
Speaker 2: Sometimes it just feels like we're on a roller coaster
Speaker 2: or just some kind of a ride. You just get
Speaker 2: out of bed every day and just get on that
Speaker 2: ride and just go with it. Next thing you know,
Speaker 2: it's Christmas bloody cold in Sydney. I've been out for
Speaker 2: ages because you know, I've been here since midnight, but
Speaker 2: I got in about ten and it wasn't as cold
Speaker 2: as apparently it is now because it's seven degrees in Sydney,
Speaker 2: but it feels like zero.
Speaker 4: Is that right?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 2: We'll have to check with the ben Fordham team when
Speaker 2: they get in this morning to find out exactly how
Speaker 2: cold it is. Spiro is always good for that weather
Speaker 2: forecaster and in Brisbane eleven degrees, but it feels like nine.
Speaker 2: Before I get to the front page of the papers.
Speaker 2: At eight minutes past four, just a couple of texts.
Speaker 2: Ray at Varnum said Peter Kredlin would make a good
Speaker 2: liberal leader. We're just talking about the speech that Susan
Speaker 2: Lee gave to the Press Club yesterday and Jody said, well,
Speaker 2: I think we were all thinking I could tell the
Speaker 2: Libs in one minute how they got it wrong. They
Speaker 2: don't need a six month inquiry. They sit on the
Speaker 2: fence and like Labor, they're out at touch and they
Speaker 2: stand for nothing. They're clueless. Jody says, Australia is noomed
Speaker 2: with labor. We know, why do six months retrospect look
Speaker 2: over the shoulder this far down the track. It doesn't
Speaker 2: make any difference, doesn't it. There's no need for the
Speaker 2: sort of investigation you lost weren't good enough. Move forward
Speaker 2: would be my advice. And also, hallo Tom, how are you?
Speaker 2: Susan Lee is not going to be strong enough against Labor.
Speaker 2: No way, not the party of today. They play dirty
Speaker 2: and no way would you hear Elbow groveling about the
Speaker 2: parts mistakes. It's always somebody else's fault, but theirs says
Speaker 2: die mind you. I think you probably would hear Albow complain,
Speaker 2: no grovel grovel if there was something that you know
Speaker 2: wasn't his bomb. Anyway, We're going to get to Luke
Speaker 2: Boner on Manam at nine minutes past four. Keep your
Speaker 2: text coming through zero four six zero eight seven three
Speaker 2: eight seven three. Nice to hear from you. Let's have
Speaker 2: a look at the newspapers. As you know, I always
Speaker 2: start with the Australian because that's the one that comes
Speaker 2: out with the smallest print. I don't know why the
Speaker 2: printer gives this one so small. So I've got a
Speaker 2: squint at it, and if i can get through this,
Speaker 2: I can get through anything. Front page of the Australian
Speaker 2: has this. In the space of just twenty four hours,
Speaker 2: Donald Trump went through the full spectrum of emotions as
Speaker 2: he tried to pull off the impossible and stop the
Speaker 2: Israel Iran war. He went from ecstatic to so angry
Speaker 2: he swore in front of the world cameras. By the end,
Speaker 2: he was receiving a hero's welcome at the NATO summit
Speaker 2: on Wednesday, Mister Trump said he was proud of Israel
Speaker 2: for holding back its plans to break the ceasefire, and
Speaker 2: that he and that he could see the US having
Speaker 2: some kind of a relationship with Teyran. So there you go.
Speaker 2: That's the page of the Australian. Front page of the
Speaker 2: Telegraph shots multiple times in his career in the underworld
Speaker 2: and living with the trauma of having to bury his mates.
Speaker 2: Former hard man of the notorious Brothers for Life gang,
Speaker 2: Fred Naje has warned no glory awaits those fighting in
Speaker 2: the current bloody gang war. It's front page of the Telegraph,
Speaker 2: front page of the Courier Mail. The headline is You've
Speaker 2: got one job. Eight state labor MPs skipped Parliament and
Speaker 2: scattered across the state yesterday to criticize the government's budget,
Speaker 2: with one sensationally declaring it doesn't matter if he casts
Speaker 2: a vote in the chamber, in a move that prompted
Speaker 2: outrage from the government. The group of Labor MPs missed
Speaker 2: part of the parliament sitting day so they could instead
Speaker 2: hold media conferences outside Brisbane to criticize the state budget.
Speaker 2: How about that, Well, there's some serious black belt backstabbing,
Speaker 2: there isn't there. I know that Peter Figan will be
Speaker 2: talking about that this morning on the four BC Breakfast
Speaker 2: Show this morning after five thirty on four BBC, because
Speaker 2: he was talking about that yesterday and I imagine that
Speaker 2: he would be less than impressed with that particular outcome
Speaker 2: as well. Here's front page of the Sydney Morning Herald.
Speaker 2: The ABC has been blasted for wasting more than one
Speaker 2: million dollars in taxpayer money defending Antoinette Latoff's lawsuit after
Speaker 2: a court found the broadcaster unlawfully sacked from her Sydney
Speaker 2: station in a state of panic amid complaints about her
Speaker 2: views on the Israel Hamas war. So that was the
Speaker 2: story there, that she was sacked in a state of
Speaker 2: panic by the people who ended up having to pay
Speaker 2: seventy thousand, seventy thousand for three days work. That's not bad,
Speaker 2: is it about what ben Fordham gets paid? I think?
Speaker 2: Front page of the Age Secret rail plan to beat
Speaker 2: crush hour in suburbs. This is in Melbourne. A secret
Speaker 2: government report WARN's passengers will face crush conditions at train
Speaker 2: stations across Melbourne's fast growing Northern and Western suburbs without
Speaker 2: an urgent overhaul of the system. The ambitious Blueprint, which
Speaker 2: supports electrification of the Melbourne and Windom lines and also
Speaker 2: extends to the Upfield line, forecasts that without any action
Speaker 2: within the next five to ten years, dozens of commuters
Speaker 2: will be left stranded on platforms every time a play
Speaker 2: a train comes. Well, Melbourne, come to Sydney, you got
Speaker 2: to be stranded on the platform every time a train comes,
Speaker 2: wondering if a train will come, We'll come to Sydney.
Speaker 2: There's your Melbourne front page. Here's your Canberra Times front page.
Speaker 2: The Canbra Liberals Liberals Peter Kain said he was ignored
Speaker 2: by his party's leadership and left out of important meetings
Speaker 2: with stakeholders. A week after he left the shadow cabinet,
Speaker 2: mister Kane has head out again at the Cabra Liberals
Speaker 2: leader Leanne Castley's staff team, describing a meeting between his
Speaker 2: staff and her office as a very significant disappointment. But
Speaker 2: Miss Castley says she has one hundred percent confidence in
Speaker 2: her staff speaking public about the spat for the first
Speaker 2: time and he would go to the financial reviews, wrap
Speaker 2: up the front page of the papers with this. Big
Speaker 2: investors count the cost of spurning the CBA. The country's
Speaker 2: most prominent active fund managers avoided buying into Commonwealth Bank,
Speaker 2: betting the stock was too expensive. Now as they roll
Speaker 2: off the financial year, they are counting the cost and
Speaker 2: missing out on the spectacular run of the local share
Speaker 2: market's biggest company. Well, there you go, and I know
Speaker 2: what that feels like. I mean, hey, I'm no prominent
Speaker 2: active fund manager. So I can't talk about buying into
Speaker 2: the Commonwealth Bank. But I mentioned this story before when
Speaker 2: my mate said to me, Oh, I'm setting up a
Speaker 2: year a fruit juice company. Would you like to put
Speaker 2: in a thousand dollars pill? And I said, no, thousand
Speaker 2: dollars for fruit. This is in the nineties. Thousand dollars
Speaker 2: for a fruit juice company. I said, you've got to
Speaker 2: be kidding. That's a waste of money. So I didn't
Speaker 2: do it. And the company went on to be Boost Juice.
Speaker 2: And that's my former boss and who now has over
Speaker 2: one hundred million dollars in the bank. And I don't
Speaker 2: because I just knocked it back. So I know how
Speaker 2: those investors are feeling, although they're investors, so they should
Speaker 2: have known better. All right, fourteen minutes past four, As
Speaker 2: I mentioned, ben Fordham on the way at five point
Speaker 2: thirty this morning on Sydney's two GB, followed by Mark
Speaker 2: Levy who is having a time of his life spinning
Speaker 2: that wheel. Go to the social pages the twogb, Facebook
Speaker 2: or Instagram page to have a look at Mark Levy,
Speaker 2: who really will be the next host of Wheel of Fortune.
Speaker 2: I think Peter Vegan four BC at four point thirty
Speaker 2: this morning, and coming up Luke Boner with the bona
Speaker 2: Fine Report. The Boner Report just stuff of the four
Speaker 2: to thirty news. Next up, though, we're going to find
Speaker 2: out what's going on with the latest in the news
Speaker 2: from our nine US correspondent Jonathan Cursley, and he'll give
Speaker 2: us the update on what's happening at NATO as well.
Speaker 2: Fourteen past four where it's eighteen minutes past four, a
Speaker 2: couple of people on the tech. So Michael's given us
Speaker 2: the score in the Cricket Australia one hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: three for five head on fifty two, Webster out on eleven.
Speaker 2: And I was mentioning before the Antoinette ler tooth payout
Speaker 2: of seventy thousand dollars and I mentioned, well, you know
Speaker 2: that's pretty much what ben Fordham gets paid by the hour.
Speaker 2: Somebody said seventy thousand bucks is loose change in Ben's pocket,
Speaker 2: mind you. The good thing about Ben Fordham is, apart
Speaker 2: from he puts on Sydney's Best Breakfast radio show, he's
Speaker 2: also a good gauge of the temperature. Because if he's
Speaker 2: coming into work with shorts and a T shirt on.
Speaker 2: I know the temperature hasn't quite hit the zero, but
Speaker 2: I know if we get to zero then it might
Speaker 2: even be a case where ben Fordham's wearing long trousers.
Speaker 2: Then you know it's cold. All right, Let's get the
Speaker 2: update on what's going on with our Channel nine news
Speaker 2: correspondent Jonathan Cursley in American Morning. Jonathan, Well, Donald Trump
Speaker 2: is at NATO at the moment. How's that working out
Speaker 2: for him? Because he got a really nice introductory text
Speaker 2: on his way there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, unlike Forto, President Trump put pants on,
Speaker 5: which was probably a good start to his NATO summer.
Speaker 5: But yeah, look he was walking with open arms. He
Speaker 5: put out a leaked text message from Mark Rudder, Yeah today,
Speaker 5: no Secretary General that effectively was.
Speaker 4: Written in Trump speak.
Speaker 5: It was all praising the President, saying that essentially, NATO allies,
Speaker 5: we're going to do what he wants to do, and
Speaker 5: that is give this commitment to having the defense spending
Speaker 5: boost of five percent of GDP. There was handshaking, hugs
Speaker 5: and smiles. There was a pulicide meeting with Voladimir Zelenski
Speaker 5: and Donald Trump, who had previously threatened to walk away
Speaker 5: from NATO.
Speaker 4: Remember his first term.
Speaker 5: This was an organization essentially he said that US didn't
Speaker 5: essentially need to be part of and has pushed consistently
Speaker 5: for Europe to do more.
Speaker 4: He says he's walked away.
Speaker 5: From this summit feeling a little bit better. So the groveling,
Speaker 5: the bending of the knee, that, if you want to
Speaker 5: call it, the kissing of the proverbial ring, seems to
Speaker 5: have worked. It has rubbed off on Donald Trump because
Speaker 5: that is what the NATO allies wanted to do. They
Speaker 5: wanted to essentially shower him with love and affection, and
Speaker 5: in doing that, they essentially got a commitment from him
Speaker 5: that you know, he will be back, that the United
Speaker 5: States will stay, that they will remain a committed member
Speaker 5: of NATO. And he's obviously pleased with the fact that
Speaker 5: they are going to spend five percent boost the defense,
Speaker 5: spending about five percent of GDP. Interestingly, little side note
Speaker 5: that seemed to come out of this. Sitting alongside the
Speaker 5: NATO Secretary General, Donald Trump was called Daddy.
Speaker 2: I say all that I heard that, Daddy. Yeah, Wow,
Speaker 2: wasn't that interesting?
Speaker 4: Daddy Trump?
Speaker 5: President Trump, He was asked if he treats all of
Speaker 5: the NATO allies like children, he says, you know, sometimes
Speaker 5: they don't get along. But he seems to think that
Speaker 5: he doesn't mind being called daddy. He even thought that
Speaker 5: he was that it was said, you're my daddy. So
Speaker 5: I'm not sure what quite conversation he was listening to,
Speaker 5: but needless to say, headlines, nicknames, some sort of weird
Speaker 5: romance coming out of all of this. A successful summit
Speaker 5: for NATO, A successful some yes.
Speaker 2: Well you know, I would say in defense of the
Speaker 2: NATO chiefs as well, and in defense of anybody at NATO.
Speaker 2: Whatever work works right, whatever it takes.
Speaker 5: Whatever it takes. And clearly Mark Rutto, who has been
Speaker 5: a leader of a European nation, has worked out that
Speaker 5: with Donald Trump, whatever it takes means just shower him
Speaker 5: with what he wants. And if you do that then
Speaker 5: you will get what you want in return. So transactional, yes,
Speaker 5: transactional friendship relationship showered with love and affection and plaud
Speaker 5: it and pats on the back and plays. But he
Speaker 5: has played exactly unto the Donald Trump handbooks.
Speaker 2: Well you know, they probably read the Art of the
Speaker 2: deal and they knew where to go. Although this hasn't
Speaker 2: been without controversy. Donald Trump comparing the bombing of the
Speaker 2: Iran nuclear science to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which you know
Speaker 2: was another Donald Trump is and I suppose.
Speaker 6: Well it is.
Speaker 5: I mean, there is nothing comparable to what happened at
Speaker 5: Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It is essentially the biggest nuclear attack
Speaker 5: by a nation on another one that the world has
Speaker 5: seen and have not seen another one of a nuclear
Speaker 5: bomb likes. Since that's time, Donald Trump had been pushing
Speaker 5: this line that the United States has obliterated, destroyed Aram's
Speaker 5: nuclear facilities, even though there was this defense intelligence report
Speaker 5: that came out yesterday that said, no, that's not the case.
Speaker 5: Essentially they have been damaged, but they've already been delayed
Speaker 5: really by about.
Speaker 6: Six months or so.
Speaker 5: In the last five moments five minutes, we've just heard
Speaker 5: from his Director of National Intelligence, Solsy Gabbar, who's come
Speaker 5: out and miraculously somehow discovered some new intelligence that says, actually, yes,
Speaker 5: President Trump is completely right, the nuclear sydes have been destroyed.
Speaker 5: It's going to for some decades to bring this all back.
Speaker 5: So look, there's conflicting reports, conflicting information coming out in
Speaker 5: the wake of the US strike on alarm. But clearly
Speaker 5: the key aspect out of all of that, Iran had
Speaker 5: four hundred and eight kilograms of the question now is
Speaker 5: where is that?
Speaker 3: Where is it?
Speaker 5: Where is that uranium? Because if they want to restart
Speaker 5: a program, they may well have the uranium. That's a danger,
Speaker 5: that's a risk. The American intelligence agencies would want to
Speaker 5: be highlighting exactly where that is faster than they can possibility.
Speaker 2: Let's just go back to what you were saying about
Speaker 2: Telsey Gabbard. Didn't she have a falling out over intelligence
Speaker 2: with Donald Trump a lesson a week ago and was
Speaker 2: on the out.
Speaker 5: And you hit the nail exactly on the head. She
Speaker 5: was the one who sat before a committee and said
Speaker 5: the intelligence agencies were not off the view that Iran
Speaker 5: was developing a nuclear weapon. And when it was put
Speaker 5: to the presidents that this was exactly what had been said,
Speaker 5: he said, no, that's rubbish. The intelligence agencies are wrong.
Speaker 5: Who in my administration would say that? And he said
Speaker 5: Tulsi Gabbard? Yeah, And then he said, oh, well, she's wrong.
Speaker 5: So clearly the Director of National Intelligence, he's under pressure
Speaker 5: to try and keep herself in the inner sanctum. She
Speaker 5: hasn't released this new intelligence report yet, which wait and
Speaker 5: see whether that information obviously comes out. So clearly there's
Speaker 5: a lot of behind the scenes powerplays going on, but
Speaker 5: when it comes to a Trump administration, the only person
Speaker 5: who holds any power is Donald Trump himself.
Speaker 2: Well, it looks to me that they'd be trying to
Speaker 2: keep your job because a couple of days ago, both
Speaker 2: her and Pete Hegseth were completely on the outer that
Speaker 2: was talking about, you know, Pete Hegseth being replaced and
Speaker 2: also Tolsy Gabbart. So she's probably been thinking to herself,
Speaker 2: I've got to keep my job here. But it's interesting,
Speaker 2: isn't it, because there's so much talk, a lot of
Speaker 2: it's coming out of CNN and also coming out of
Speaker 2: the New York Times saying that, you know, they don't
Speaker 2: believe this strike on Iran and the nuclear facility was
Speaker 2: as successful as Donald Trump has tried to claim it
Speaker 2: has been. But you know, from a layman's perspective, it's
Speaker 2: hard to know because you're only seeing images of something
Speaker 2: above the ground, and this is going way down into
Speaker 2: the ground. Until you've got some kind of camera going underground,
Speaker 2: you know, you haven't got any proof of whether or
Speaker 2: not it was successful or not.
Speaker 5: And that's exactly the point. You need the underground assessment.
Speaker 5: You need images from inside the his tunnels, inside these
Speaker 5: facilities that go tens and tens of meters underground to
Speaker 5: get a real gauge on exactly how much has been destroyed,
Speaker 5: because as you can see from the existing satellite images,
Speaker 5: it just looks so cold on the ground. But what
Speaker 5: they were trying to do was cause the damage underground. Now,
Speaker 5: the thing with Donald Trump is his language is always strong.
Speaker 5: He always goes above and beyond and over the top.
Speaker 5: So it was language like a bliterator totally destroyed, total
Speaker 5: obliteration that he kept talking about. That is obviously not
Speaker 5: giving himself much wiggle room really, because if there is
Speaker 5: any intelligence that comes back that suggests even slightly it's
Speaker 5: not well, Yes, organizations like CNN and The New York Times,
Speaker 5: which he is highly critical of, I're going to point
Speaker 5: it out to him that this is the case. And
Speaker 5: he's even been quick in the last hour or so
Speaker 5: to come back at CNN and the New York Times,
Speaker 5: accusing them, as he does, of being fake news, of
Speaker 5: being legacy media that are getting it wrong. And have
Speaker 5: a vendetta against him and are out forget him. It's
Speaker 5: a message to the design to get to his supporter base.
Speaker 5: But to go back to your question, Yes, the only
Speaker 5: way you can answer exactly how much capability of runs
Speaker 5: is you have to get people or cameras under the
Speaker 5: ground and find out exactly what the run has left.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, I'm on Trump's side here. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: easy to mean what you know essentially was one of
Speaker 2: the most successful military strikes in history. You know, it's
Speaker 2: easy to say, well, that didn't happen. But if you
Speaker 2: haven't got the proof see in New York Times, if
Speaker 2: you haven't got cameras under the ground, then you know
Speaker 2: you're just speculating. So, you know, to say that it
Speaker 2: wasn't successful, I think is unfair on the attempt that
Speaker 2: he was trying to, you know, to try and ease
Speaker 2: the situation. So that's what's happening in the world, my friend,
Speaker 2: Anything else that you wanted to mention when I've got
Speaker 2: you hear anything else in the world of any interest?
Speaker 5: Mate, let's mention Taylor Swift getting back on stage, shall we?
Speaker 5: For those listeners up early in the morning. She's been
Speaker 5: back at Nashville, back in her home area, back on stage,
Speaker 5: performing publicly for the first time since the end of
Speaker 5: her ears to a Phil, I know how big a
Speaker 5: swifty you are, mate, and I have no doubt that
Speaker 5: you'll have been saying all the videos that have been
Speaker 5: streaming of her with her football star boyfriend Travis Kelsey
Speaker 5: hanging out in Nashville, strumming along, singing a little bit
Speaker 5: of Shake it Off.
Speaker 2: Oh you even know the names of the song? If
Speaker 2: you said if I was, if I had seventy thousand
Speaker 2: dollars spare and I'd hit you with that question, I
Speaker 2: would not have put seventy thousand dollars on the fact
Speaker 2: that you'd come back with a headline that featured Taylor Swift. Now,
Speaker 2: that was the most unexpected response I've ever had.
Speaker 5: So you can take it to the break by you
Speaker 5: can sing the lyrics, mate. I'll leave you to do
Speaker 5: all the magic work your vocal cords. Let the listeners
Speaker 5: of Australia hear just how much the haters are going
Speaker 5: to hate, hate, hate, and the rest of the words
Speaker 5: that Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2: Like you said, can you know the words you've got?
Speaker 2: You're ahead of me Jonathan good to toich you mate,
Speaker 2: thank you so much. Jonathan Kursey Channel nine correspondent there
Speaker 2: with the update on the important news, Taylor Swift and
Speaker 2: the other stuff as well. Okay, coming up to four
Speaker 2: twenty eight, We're going to catch up with Luke Boner
Speaker 2: in a moment. We'll get the Boner Report and find
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Speaker 2: on the text. But I don't understand the skepticism about
Speaker 2: Iran and nuclear weapons. They themselves have been saying for
Speaker 2: years they want to make one. They're one of the
Speaker 2: richest oil nations in the world. What do they want
Speaker 2: the nuclear power for? Do people think they're concerned about
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Speaker 2: minutes to five, let's get to the news booths around
Speaker 2: the country, starting off at the newsroom in Sydney on
Speaker 2: two GB.
Speaker 3: And now on Wake Up Australia News Today.
Speaker 2: It's Sasha Foot, Good morning, Sasha, what have we got?
Speaker 7: Good morning Phil that two men have been charged over
Speaker 7: a mass brawl at a building site in Sydney's northwest.
Speaker 7: It's alleged to scuffle was the second fight at the
Speaker 7: Merriton work site in Castle Hill. They say the father
Speaker 7: and son came back with a larger group for a
Speaker 7: second day when the brawl broke out. Psychiatrists in Queensland
Speaker 7: are slamming the state government over a failure to invest
Speaker 7: in the mental health workforce. The Royal Australian College of
Speaker 7: Psychiatrists believes there's no concrete plan to address a shortage
Speaker 7: of beds, and NATO leaders have agreed to hike defense
Speaker 7: and security spending to five percent of annual GDP. US
Speaker 7: President Donald Trump says the hike is historic after pushing
Speaker 7: for the demand at the summit. Phil More News at
Speaker 7: the top of the hour.
Speaker 2: Thank you Sasha in the two GB newsroom in Sydney.
Speaker 2: That's got to Melbourne. The three AW newsroom and it's
Speaker 2: Kiara Parker. Good morning care, Good morning Well.
Speaker 8: The Victorian Liberal Party here is set to be embrailed
Speaker 8: in a fresh legal case for the Supreme Court challenge
Speaker 8: to John Psudo's promise one point five million dollar loan.
Speaker 8: Expect to be lodged today. A group of Liberals behind
Speaker 8: the mover seeking injunction blocking the party from loaning him
Speaker 8: the money he needs to honor his two million dollar
Speaker 8: debt to his colleague more redeeming for defaming her and
Speaker 8: to avoid bankruptcy. The judge in the Mushroom murder trial
Speaker 8: will today begin a third day of instructions to the
Speaker 8: jury before they begin deliberating to determine whether Aaron Patterson
Speaker 8: is guilty or not guilty of deliberately poisoning her relatives
Speaker 8: with deathcat mushrooms. It's week nine of the trial, the
Speaker 8: jury not expected to start deliberations until tomorrow, and a
Speaker 8: factory fire at Hallam is now under control. The cause
Speaker 8: of the blaze at a school book business which broke
Speaker 8: out overnight is being investigated.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Kiara. They're Kiara Parker in the
Speaker 2: Melbourne three aw newsroom on the Texas one came in
Speaker 2: from Ray. The reporter from CA a man who reported
Speaker 2: the current league, is the same reporter who said the
Speaker 2: Biden tapes were fake and Russian coercion was correct. They
Speaker 2: are only Trump haters who will say anything to bring
Speaker 2: Trump down. That text coming in from Ray.
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Speaker 2: Cameron Green will stay at number three in Australia's batting
Speaker 2: order for the next for the first Test against the
Speaker 2: West Indies, despite a low score in the recent World
Speaker 2: Test Championship Final. Captain Pat Cummings said Green is seen
Speaker 2: as a long term option that is hitting well in
Speaker 2: the nets. Josh English comes in at number four, replacing
Speaker 2: the injured Steve Smith, and also Sam Costas nineteen will
Speaker 2: make his debut opening with the usmn Kwasher, and also
Speaker 2: Magnus Lubashane, who has dropped. We don't want any moving parts,
Speaker 2: or at least not too many, said Cummins. Green will
Speaker 2: get a good run. And yes, I know called John
Speaker 2: Josh Inglish Josh English a moment ago. It's twenty five
Speaker 2: minutes to five. All right, let's good to look.
Speaker 3: Now on Wake Up Australia. It's time for the report.
Speaker 2: I got to apologize. I didn't mean to speak to
Speaker 2: you yesterday, but I was running around and doing some
Speaker 2: rap for this show. I was in my pajamas to do.
Speaker 2: I was doing preparation to keep us on the air
Speaker 2: for five and a half hours, I know. And I
Speaker 2: was in my pajamas until about seven o'clock and I
Speaker 2: saw you ring me, and I know you were very
Speaker 2: excited about something. And now I feel very apologetic because
Speaker 2: you're going to tell me about it.
Speaker 6: Well, let's listen here and not so repugnant. Phil. It's
Speaker 6: a story that has has created a lot of stir
Speaker 6: on my social media feedback on the bona Fide podcast,
Speaker 6: and I just wanted to run this story past you
Speaker 6: and your listeners because I can't believe how petty some
Speaker 6: people can be. But if you think I'm wrong, you'll
Speaker 6: let me know. It's the story that comes out of Adelaide.
Speaker 6: Last week. There was a private school and there were
Speaker 6: some year twelve boys, ten of them, year twelve, November,
Speaker 6: year twelve, and they wanted to thank their science teacher
Speaker 6: for being a good educator. And so these boys, with
Speaker 6: the knowledge of their parents and the knowledge of the
Speaker 6: teacher's family, they rocked up at his house and cook
Speaker 6: him and his family breakfast. They were year twelve students
Speaker 6: from Saint Peter's College in Adelaide. As I say the
Speaker 6: student's parents were aware of their plans, and the breakfast
Speaker 6: was organized without the teacher's knowledge, but his family was
Speaker 6: in on it. Even one of the kids even started
Speaker 6: playing the piano. It was all over by seven point thirty.
Speaker 6: And the teacher, who has contacted me, has said that
Speaker 6: he was just so flattered because as an educator, I
Speaker 6: won't read you. I think I sent you his email,
Speaker 6: the teacher's emails. I went on on breakfast television and
Speaker 6: was talking about this and asked my opinion, and I
Speaker 6: said I thought it was great. Now one parent, one
Speaker 6: parent has made a complaint to the Board of Education
Speaker 6: saying it was completely inappropriate, that they overstepped the boundaries
Speaker 6: of teacher student relationships. And it would have been okay
Speaker 6: they'd had a barbecue on school grounds, but for year
Speaker 6: twelve students to go to a teacher's house and cooking
Speaker 6: breakfast was absolutely inappropriate. Well, I am saying ball. I
Speaker 6: think it was a wonderful gesture. You know, we are
Speaker 6: losing teachers hand over fist, especially male teachers, and for
Speaker 6: these students to feel enough warmth and love for this
Speaker 6: bloke to say thank you for educating us and as
Speaker 6: a present, we all just want to cook your breakfast
Speaker 6: to make you feel special. I think it's absolutely wonderful.
Speaker 6: Am I wrong?
Speaker 2: No? But here's the issue too. You're absolutely right, But
Speaker 2: the issue is apart from anything else. You know, five
Speaker 2: hundred parents probably thought this was a great idea. Only
Speaker 2: one person didn't like it, and that's the one person
Speaker 2: who's getting listened to. And why is that the case?
Speaker 6: I don't know. And it's created a huge stir and
Speaker 6: believe it or not. The feedback on my Bonifi podcast
Speaker 6: social media, about fifty percent of my podcast listeners agree
Speaker 6: with that one parent that they're saying, no, it oversteps
Speaker 6: the boundaries of student teacher relationships. So I was really
Speaker 6: surprised when everyone's welcome to their feedback. But am I wrong?
Speaker 6: I remember when I was at school, I was in
Speaker 6: year eleven. I didn't go through the year twelve. I
Speaker 6: dropped out and got into radio, can you tell? And
Speaker 6: our basketball coach was a teacher at the school and
Speaker 6: we all went back to his place for a barbecue
Speaker 6: one Sunday. Was there anything wrong with that? And we
Speaker 6: weren't in New twal Just remember this is year twelve.
Speaker 6: I'm tipping that probably more than half of these students
Speaker 6: are adults.
Speaker 2: Anyway, seventeen, that's right. Yeah, So the phone number is
Speaker 2: one three one eight seven three if you'd like to
Speaker 2: give us your opinion. One can I ask you this though?
Speaker 2: So he's the teacher's family were there too, right.
Speaker 6: Absolutely absolutely, and they were all in on it, and
Speaker 6: the parents of the year twelve students were in on it.
Speaker 6: But it was one pairent that complaint. Incidentally, from what
Speaker 6: I understand, that one parent that complained his son wasn't invited.
Speaker 2: Well, there you go, there's the rub so fifty percent,
Speaker 2: so split down the middle.
Speaker 6: It split down the middle. I was surprised. I thought
Speaker 6: that overwhelmingly people would think that the complaint was rubbish
Speaker 6: and that it was a lovely gesture of some year
Speaker 6: twelve boys at Saint Peter's in Adelaide. So I'm reading
Speaker 6: the room role as well. I'd love to know what
Speaker 6: our listeners think. Was that inappropriate? I don't think so,
Speaker 6: But tell me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: Well, I'd like to know on what grounds.
Speaker 6: Well, they're saying that that students shouldn't visit teachers' houses.
Speaker 2: But his family were there, so I can see that.
Speaker 2: So if he was there on his own, and I mean
Speaker 2: this is really you know, like splitting hairs, you know,
Speaker 2: but if you were going to draw any kind of
Speaker 2: inference on anything like that, you could say, well, he
Speaker 2: was there on his own as a teacher. But if
Speaker 2: his family were there as well, and it wasn't just
Speaker 2: one student going on his own to cook one male
Speaker 2: teacher on his own breakfast, you know, there's not even
Speaker 2: that isn't coming into the equation whatsoever.
Speaker 6: The teacher's name is Hiwa Zoo Dardi.
Speaker 2: He wrote to me, and I just lost you for
Speaker 2: a second, that you're gone.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I sent you his email. I won't
Speaker 6: read at all. It's quite long, but he says that
Speaker 6: teaching is a reward and that the bonds between teachers
Speaker 6: and students have a profound impact of the young person's
Speaker 6: life trajectory. What occurred that morning, he says, would have
Speaker 6: been inappropriate if I was involved. It was deeply appropriate
Speaker 6: as it was a powerful moment of gratitude. It entirely
Speaker 6: by the students, shared openly with their families, and handled
Speaker 6: with integrity. And he goes on to say, Luke, thank
Speaker 6: you for your balanced perspective and for articulating something that
Speaker 6: so often goes unspoken in public discourse, that respect, trust,
Speaker 6: and high expectations can and should exist at our schools.
Speaker 6: He says, Luke, your voices offered a moment of clarity
Speaker 6: in a conversation that was at risk of being clouded
Speaker 6: by fear. With sincere appreciation, Hia jail DARNI, So there
Speaker 6: you are. He reached out to me because he appreciated
Speaker 6: the sentiment. But apparently, according to about fifty percent of
Speaker 6: the feedback. I get I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, let's get to the phone. And Peter says
Speaker 2: on the text it's a rubbish complaint a group of kids.
Speaker 2: How about they go after they finish year twelve and
Speaker 2: do it again, says Peter and Banks. Now I remember
Speaker 2: to sir with love, Sidney Poisier. You know, oh god,
Speaker 2: let's get too lu there you go exactly. Bob's on
Speaker 2: the phone in Botany. I think Bob and I are
Speaker 2: on the same page. Bob Mortie, Mate, you're wrong with
Speaker 2: Luke Boner.
Speaker 6: Yeah, gooday, Bob, what do you have I got this wrong?
Speaker 9: No way in the world, mate. It just shows you
Speaker 9: the way the world is evaluating. Now, one person complained
Speaker 9: ninety No one might say it's okay. But I'll listen
Speaker 9: to that one person. And that happens in everyday life now, Luke.
Speaker 9: I mean they listen to the one person, not the majority.
Speaker 9: The one person don't take their advice. In the old days,
Speaker 9: they throw them out and take them around the back
Speaker 9: and say, mate, you're an idiot, see you later. But
Speaker 9: now I mean, I'll listen to that one idiot.
Speaker 6: I know I don't get this. How did we get
Speaker 6: to this. How did we get to this stage where
Speaker 6: one squeaky wheel can ruin a wonderful gesture. I don't
Speaker 6: get it. I'm just getting too old. I need to
Speaker 6: jump off.
Speaker 2: But also, I think that we live in such an
Speaker 2: era of social media induced outrage that everybody is angry,
Speaker 2: but half the time people don't know what they're angry about.
Speaker 6: Luke, I know, and they obviously don't have enough reason
Speaker 6: to get up in the morning. I mean, if you
Speaker 6: really the plaint said it was outrageous, use the word
Speaker 6: outrageous and has made an official complaint to the Board
Speaker 6: of Education in South Australia. This is this is absolutely madness,
Speaker 6: isn't it. It's madness. We are losing teachers and we
Speaker 6: desperately need male teachers. I'm not rubbishing the female teachers.
Speaker 6: They all do a great job, but you have more
Speaker 6: kids than ever coming from single parent families where they're
Speaker 6: lacking a male role model, and I just think we've
Speaker 6: got to do everything we can do encourage teaching. And
Speaker 6: this story almost broke this poor bloke, and he was
Speaker 6: obviously grateful with my comments. I was very strong when
Speaker 6: I went on breakfast television during the week to talk
Speaker 6: about this. You know it wasn't inappropriate the year twelve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the man's family was there. Let's get to
Speaker 2: another call. One three one eight seven three is the
Speaker 2: phone number if you want to speak with Lek Bonner
Speaker 2: about this. So let's get the Sam who's on the
Speaker 2: Central Coase. Hello, Sam, you're on with Luke.
Speaker 9: Go ahead, mate, Yeah there you're going.
Speaker 6: Yeah, great, good morning.
Speaker 10: Yeah, hey mate, idea your voice again, mister Boner, and
Speaker 10: I'll be back.
Speaker 6: Doing drive for Clinton in July, so stay with me.
Speaker 10: Oh God be God be Hey. I just think as
Speaker 10: a society, I think the normal people have just had
Speaker 10: enough of being outraged, so they don't raise their comments anymore.
Speaker 10: So then the silent majority is still silent, and the
Speaker 10: minority dictate to the majority.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I spoke to an old friend of mine, the
Speaker 6: Reverend Jim Reynolds, who is the head of Outreach Ministries Australia,
Speaker 6: on my podcast yesterday. He agrees with the complaint. He
Speaker 6: thinks it overstepped and he thought it was inappropriate. And
Speaker 6: this guy is the coolest reverend you'll ever meet, and
Speaker 6: yet he sort of he went along with the fifty percent,
Speaker 6: so it caught me completely by surprise. I want to
Speaker 6: know to the caller, did you ever socialize with teachers
Speaker 6: when you were at school?
Speaker 2: Sam? Did you ever socialize with teachers when you're at school? No,
Speaker 2: Sam has disappeared and fallen off the line. Now I
Speaker 2: think I'm going to take a guess and say, probably
Speaker 2: the answer is no, because when you're at school you
Speaker 2: didn't socialize with the teacher. But you know, those were
Speaker 2: different times. But as he was saying, and I think
Speaker 2: I disagree with him, Luke, and he was saying that,
Speaker 2: you know, people have finally got to outrage fatigue. I
Speaker 2: disagree with that. I think we haven't even scratched the
Speaker 2: surface of outrage yet. You know, the more outrage, the
Speaker 2: more outrage, I think.
Speaker 6: But I remember, of course, I'm going back to nineteen
Speaker 6: seventy eight now, when we were in the fifth form
Speaker 6: what was called year eleventh. We had the traditional end
Speaker 6: of year's school play. God we did South Pacific and
Speaker 6: Forest High did Greece? How cool were they? But anyway
Speaker 6: we did and we used to have weekends barbecues with
Speaker 6: the English teacher and the music teacher, and that was
Speaker 6: Year eleven. Our parents were aware of it. Some parents
Speaker 6: even turned up. But we developed a wonderful relationship with
Speaker 6: our music and English teacher while we were doing this
Speaker 6: school play. I don't remember anything inappropriate. They treated us
Speaker 6: like young adults.
Speaker 2: Right. Well, I've got some text coming through and I
Speaker 2: got some calls. I hang in there just a moment.
Speaker 2: I'll get to your text zero four six zero eight
Speaker 2: seven three eight seven three and your calls as well
Speaker 2: with Luke Boner. Give us a ring now one three,
Speaker 2: one eight seven three, fourteen to five and I'm fillown
Speaker 2: Neil here at eleven minutes to five ben Fordham on
Speaker 2: two GB Sydney at five thirty and also coming up
Speaker 2: on four BC in Brisbane, Peter Vegan. Luke Boner joins
Speaker 2: us for the Boner Report before I get back to
Speaker 2: back to more of the calls here, and we're talking
Speaker 2: about students from an elite private school in Adelaide surprising
Speaker 2: their teacher by going over to cook breakfast. I've got
Speaker 2: more calls coming in. Let me give you a couple
Speaker 2: of texts here too. By the way, Mike says Luke,
Speaker 2: as much as you think it was a good gesture,
Speaker 2: perhaps having the breakfast at the school and invite the
Speaker 2: teacher's family might have been the better idea. Here's one
Speaker 2: from Brett who said, there's nothing wrong with what those
Speaker 2: year twelve students did for their teacher. The fact is
Speaker 2: we only have one full complaining typical of the nanny state,
Speaker 2: but also completely different to that was one that came
Speaker 2: in a moment go as well from Margaret who said, look,
Speaker 2: it's just creepy. You know, you've got don't care if
Speaker 2: the family was involved. It was inappropriate from all ethical views.
Speaker 2: And I've got some calls coming through for you too,
Speaker 2: including Mark, who's on the phone from Brisbane. Morning. You're
Speaker 2: on with Luke Bonner.
Speaker 11: Go ahead, mate, Yeah, yeah, good morning, Luke.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 12: I just want to think that you completely correct. There
Speaker 12: is there is a real problem in the world today
Speaker 12: with the male worker. Okay, for some reason, I believe
Speaker 12: there's an imbalance and there's a balance problem. You know,
Speaker 12: there are not enough male teachers and they're not going
Speaker 12: there because everybody looks at the male teacher for the
Speaker 12: wrong reasons, not all the good reasons. And I will
Speaker 12: also say, you know it's completely through the workplaces now
Speaker 12: with DEI men. Men are being ostracized everywhere and it
Speaker 12: needs to change and go back to normality. You know,
Speaker 12: we're not that bad a creature regard.
Speaker 6: I've spoken to a lot of male teachers who have
Speaker 6: given it away, and they say exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 6: You know, if a small child falls over in the
Speaker 6: playground I'm talking about primary school now, a small child
Speaker 6: falls over the playground, skins their knees, he can't give
Speaker 6: them a cardior pick them up and say you okay,
Speaker 6: it's going to be hands off. He's going to be
Speaker 6: a two meters away and can't show any empathy for
Speaker 6: the students. That's where we've got And you're right, male
Speaker 6: teachers are being ostracized, and my god, we need them,
Speaker 6: We need them.
Speaker 2: That's right. You've got to have good male figures, don't you.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, for somebody who did have an
Speaker 2: absent father, I really missed that influence in my life.
Speaker 6: You're going, Phil, I've got an email that's just come
Speaker 6: through from Lucy from Pennant Hills, and my email she says,
Speaker 6: it would have been a different story if it was
Speaker 6: girls at a girls school going to a male teacher's
Speaker 6: place to cook breakfast. Really, these are nearly adults and
Speaker 6: they just wanted to say thank you to an educator.
Speaker 6: Do you think it matters whether it was boys? Lucy
Speaker 6: from Penn and Hills is saying that it would have
Speaker 6: been different if, say, were feemale students.
Speaker 2: Really yea, and what aspersion does that then cast on males.
Speaker 2: Let's get to David, who's on the phone at Penrith. David,
Speaker 2: you're on with Luke Boder.
Speaker 4: May go ahead, thank I telling you great. I graduated
Speaker 4: in twenty two.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to put you back to Dale just
Speaker 2: said yeah, because that's a pretty bad line. But we'll
Speaker 2: go to David if we can get him back in
Speaker 2: a good line in just a second. Oh, let's get
Speaker 2: to Mike, who's on the phone in Billgola. Good morning, Mike,
Speaker 2: you're on with Luke.
Speaker 11: Go ahead, Yeah, good way, Phil and Luke. Good show.
Speaker 11: Just this a whole idea of the minority caving an
Speaker 11: excessive voice. It's because I think they, the majority of
Speaker 11: two gutless now to stand up for a value. They've
Speaker 11: lost the art of argument, and in this particular case,
Speaker 11: they've led a very single or very small number of
Speaker 11: people have their sort of views expressed and carry where
Speaker 11: the majoritys probably wouldn't mind about it. I think we've
Speaker 11: got to learn to argue. We've got to learned to
Speaker 11: stand up for our value, isn't it. And also it
Speaker 11: was one small thing in there sixties lou in the
Speaker 11: Northern Preaches where we going well with our teachers and
Speaker 11: we used to streat with them on a rider out
Speaker 11: a pub.
Speaker 6: The way life was. What school did you go to?
Speaker 11: Mainly?
Speaker 6: I there was maybe boys back then.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it was, it was very, very it was. It
Speaker 11: was a good school.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you're the girls' school which is now fresh
Speaker 6: forward selective across the road across the oval look. I
Speaker 6: went to Narrabeen Boys High. We were co ed and
Speaker 6: then it was narrow being high and we got on
Speaker 6: great with our teachers. But when you're in year eleven
Speaker 6: and year twelve, you are treated like a young adult
Speaker 6: because you're at school because you want to be, not
Speaker 6: because it's the law. And I mean the relationships we
Speaker 6: had with male and female teachers was fantastic, nothing inappropriate.
Speaker 6: So there you are.
Speaker 2: And can I just say to Mike that I disagree
Speaker 2: with you say people have lost the will to argue, Mike,
Speaker 2: I can guarantee you people have got more will to argue.
Speaker 2: To be honest, that's take one more call and that
Speaker 2: will be Jim who's on the phone from Newcastle. Jim morning,
Speaker 2: you're on with Luke Boner work.
Speaker 13: Could hear you?
Speaker 6: Great? Good morning.
Speaker 13: But I'm just going to in regard to this teacher
Speaker 13: I recalled back when I was ill with the same
Speaker 13: hum may not drop a year eleven and never pursued
Speaker 13: a higher education. But I have a brother who had
Speaker 13: a quite good relatedship with one of his agriculture teachers,
Speaker 13: or recall actually going to his agriculture teacher's house, but
Speaker 13: barbes his with what appearance, and that wouldn't have such
Speaker 13: a confound effect with my brother, he actually would ont
Speaker 13: to pursue a career as a teacher, and he's still
Speaker 13: teaching some thirty years later. For desay, I think that
Speaker 13: there's someone he could could be attended by. A students
Speaker 13: showing glative towards the teacher was a little bit word.
Speaker 6: I think the world's gone mad, and is that parent
Speaker 6: feels as though they have nothing important to complain about.
Speaker 6: Now what they need to do? They need to go
Speaker 6: down the Westmeat Children's Hospital and look at the pale,
Speaker 6: sad faces of the parents in the waiting room. They're
Speaker 6: visiting their children with something real to worry about.
Speaker 2: That's it perspective, Luke. Always good to talk to you,
Speaker 2: my friend. Give it a.
Speaker 6: Plug, go on, Okay, it's the podcast is bona Fide
Speaker 6: with Luke bonap Luke Boner radio guy at gmail dot com.
Speaker 6: And I'll be filling in for Clinton for a couple
Speaker 6: of weeks when he takes the world deserve break from
Speaker 6: July seven.
Speaker 2: You might want to give Ruth a shout out too,
Speaker 2: because she's very excited about that sent through a text
Speaker 2: and she can't wait to hear you too, my friend.
Speaker 6: Oh how inappropriate.
Speaker 2: And listen. I promise next time you ring me, I
Speaker 2: promise I'll answer your phone, even if I'm in my pajamas.
Speaker 6: Eca, No, no, no, don't. Don't you need all the
Speaker 6: sleep you can get up, but look in the mirror
Speaker 6: you need more sleep. Thank you, Phil, love your.
Speaker 2: Longtime, big time too, my friend, Luke Bonadet. It's coming
Speaker 2: up to four minutes the five blar. Of course, I've
Speaker 2: been Fordham here at five point thirty and Peter Vegan
Speaker 2: in Brisbane on four BC. I saw all the texts
Speaker 2: you sent through. I'm sorry I didn't get a chance
Speaker 2: to acknowledge them all, but I really appreciate them, and
Speaker 2: I'm sure Luke does as well. All right, let's get
Speaker 2: to the news update then I'll have a look at
Speaker 2: your open night news.
Speaker 14: This is this is away ONTOGB, four BC and network stations.
Speaker 3: This is wake up Ostrod. Yeah with fill O'Neil.
Speaker 2: How are you Clark, Thursday, June twenty sixth Funnily enough,
Speaker 2: you're starting a brand new day as my day is
Speaker 2: coming to an end. You can never get your head
Speaker 2: around that work in these crazy open hour over night hours,
Speaker 2: and if you're a shift worker you can completely agree
Speaker 2: with that. You know the day, our Friday is about
Speaker 2: really ready to start as your Thursday starts. Thanks for
Speaker 2: all the texts that came through for Loup Boner as well.
Speaker 2: There are loads and loads about the topic he was
Speaker 2: talking about this morning. Luke, as he mentioned, will be
Speaker 2: filling in for Clinton Maynard coming up very soon. But yes,
Speaker 2: so thank you so much for all of the texts
Speaker 2: that came through, and I will make sure that I'm
Speaker 2: pass those onto him as well. Ben Fordham here at
Speaker 2: five point thirty this morning on two GB Peter Vegan
Speaker 2: on four BC, Mike Levy on two GB Coming up
Speaker 2: after nine in just a moment, we're going to talk
Speaker 2: about whether or not Iran actually has the capability to
Speaker 2: do cyber attacks. But in the meantime, here's some of
Speaker 2: your overnight news that's been happening while you've been asleep.
Speaker 2: NATO leaders overnight back to big increase in defense spending
Speaker 2: that US President Donald Trump had demanded and restated their
Speaker 2: commitment to defend each other from attack after that brief
Speaker 2: summit that happened in the Netherlands, and also Donald Trump
Speaker 2: while he was there, he's certainly the flavor of the
Speaker 2: month when it comes to everybody trying to curry favor
Speaker 2: with him, including all of the heads of NATO. How
Speaker 2: did he go though? When it came to questions from reporters.
Speaker 15: It once said that you would end the up war
Speaker 15: in twenty four hours. You later said you said that sarcastically.
Speaker 4: Of course it was sarcastic.
Speaker 15: But you've now been in office for five months and
Speaker 15: five days. Why have you not been able to end
Speaker 15: the Ukraine War?
Speaker 16: Because it's more difficult than people would have any idea.
Speaker 16: Vladimir Putin has been more difficult. Frankly, I had some
Speaker 16: problems with Zelinski. You may have read about him, and
Speaker 16: it's been more difficult.
Speaker 4: Than other wars.
Speaker 17: I mean, look, we just ended a war in twelve
Speaker 17: days that was simmering for thirty years.
Speaker 2: Frankly, so they Donald Trump at NATO in the Hague. However,
Speaker 2: he's not very happy with people questioning the US intelligence
Speaker 2: about the strikes that were on the Iranian nuclear sides.
Speaker 2: CNN and The New York Post especially said that it
Speaker 2: didn't really eventuate and that it didn't turn into anything,
Speaker 2: and that the Iranian still managed to get away with
Speaker 2: something like four hundred kilograms of uranium. As I said
Speaker 2: before the News, I mean, how would you know? And
Speaker 2: it's unfair forth CNN and also for the New York
Speaker 2: Post to start claiming that it wasn't successful when all
Speaker 2: you're seeing is the surface. You know, what they really
Speaker 2: need to do is they need to stick cameras under
Speaker 2: there and then you can get some kind of certainty
Speaker 2: as to whether or not it did have the impact
Speaker 2: that Donald Trump. Trump said it actually did have. And
Speaker 2: also Donald Trump compared the impact of those American strikes
Speaker 2: on the Iranian nuclear sites to the end of World
Speaker 2: War two, which was a little bit controversial for a
Speaker 2: lot of people that heard it.
Speaker 4: They're not going to be fighting each other.
Speaker 3: They've had it.
Speaker 17: They've had a big fight, like two kids at a
Speaker 17: school yard. You know, they fight like hell, you can't
Speaker 17: stop them. Let them fight for about two three minutes.
Speaker 17: Then it's easier to stop them.
Speaker 4: And then sometimes strong language s strong.
Speaker 17: Everyone's saying you have to use a certain word. I
Speaker 17: don't want to use an example of Hiroshima. I don't
Speaker 17: want to use an example of Nagasaki. But that was
Speaker 17: essentially the same thing that ended that war.
Speaker 2: This ended that with the warf So Donald Trump's controversial
Speaker 2: comments there washed over by the fact that he was
Speaker 2: addressed as daddy. China and Taiwan have clashed over their
Speaker 2: competing interpretations of history and then escalating war words over
Speaker 2: what Beijing views is provocations from the Taiwan government and
Speaker 2: said it's impossible to invade what as already Chinese land.
Speaker 2: And one more thing for you too, which you may
Speaker 2: find interesting, especially if you've got a wedding coming up.
Speaker 2: How much money, how much coin is it costing you?
Speaker 2: And if you're the father of the bride, you're probably
Speaker 2: going don't even ask Phil, you don't want to know. Well,
Speaker 2: how about you compare it to this the Amazon founder
Speaker 2: Jeff Bezos, who's getting married in Venice with his journalist bride,
Speaker 2: Lauren Sanchez. They've invited scores of people VIPs from around
Speaker 2: the world, film finance, show business types to Venice for
Speaker 2: what's being called the wedding of the century. There are
Speaker 2: people in Venice who aren't happy about this happening at all. Gee,
Speaker 2: I wonder who's going to turn up to this. I
Speaker 2: wonder if Leonardo DiCaprio, perhaps anybody from Australia. Gee, wouldn't
Speaker 2: that be my bet Albo would love to go if
Speaker 2: he could get the damn invite. Anyway, here is how
Speaker 2: much it's going to cost, And thank goodness, you are
Speaker 2: not the father of the bride in this case, Lauren Sanchez.
Speaker 2: It's going to cost somewhere between forty eight and fifty
Speaker 2: million euros, which in our language is something like fifty
Speaker 2: five to sixty million dollars. Again, if your daughter's getting
Speaker 2: married this weekend, thank goodness it's not the Jeff Bezos,
Speaker 2: ah right, thirteen minutes past five, quarter past five, change
Speaker 2: has said on the text. They feel that Jeff bezos
Speaker 2: fifty million euro actually is equivalent to on the current
Speaker 2: exchange rates, ninety million Australian dollars. Wow, well, it's good
Speaker 2: if you've got the cash quarter Pats five ben Fordham
Speaker 2: on two GB at five point thirty. Peter Vegan on
Speaker 2: four BC. I read this report in the Wall Street
Speaker 2: Journal saying that US officials and private experts are warned
Speaker 2: about being warned about the possible cyber attacks as a
Speaker 2: reciprocation from Iran. So I thought i'd run this by
Speaker 2: futurist Skeeve Stevens, who's on the phone. Good morning to you.
Speaker 2: Iran's capability Is it any good or is it we
Speaker 2: compared to the others.
Speaker 18: When we talk about significant, we're talking about significant as
Speaker 18: they are a nation state.
Speaker 4: What that means is do they have a lot of capabilities?
Speaker 4: Do they have a limited money to do this sort
Speaker 4: of things?
Speaker 18: Yes, they do, But when it comes down to things
Speaker 18: like versus Israel or the United States, they're in a kindergarten.
Speaker 3: Level, right.
Speaker 18: Iran essentially causes chaos, not damage, So what they can
Speaker 18: do is a right around, and they're mostly using things
Speaker 18: like social media fake person personalities try to mess things up,
Speaker 18: muddel things up.
Speaker 4: So the example of throwing from the shadows, meaning they.
Speaker 18: Could just cause mess, but they don't really cause damage
Speaker 18: and significant damage.
Speaker 4: But they can cause a bit of problems.
Speaker 2: Because I'm led to believe that they have been doing
Speaker 2: cyber attacks for a while, so they.
Speaker 4: Just like to cause chaos and a sort of thing.
Speaker 18: So they're like they've done things in the past where
Speaker 18: they've hacked some of the water supply in Israel.
Speaker 4: But you know, every time sudden happens in Israel, they
Speaker 4: get even better and better and better at it.
Speaker 18: I mean, Israel's potentially I would classify as number.
Speaker 4: One in the planet in cyber warfare capabilities.
Speaker 18: So most of the time Israel, sorry to Israel, Iran
Speaker 18: likes to use their proxies.
Speaker 4: So that's even with hacking groups and things like that.
Speaker 19: So Hezblah has their little cyber activist units and so
Speaker 19: they're mostly their proxies or people that believe in their
Speaker 19: sort of I guess their philosophy, like to do little attacks.
Speaker 4: Here and there where I mean, in the previously.
Speaker 18: They've time that banks where they've like caused malware problems.
Speaker 18: They like to deface websites and do simple denial of
Speaker 18: service attack.
Speaker 4: It's basically chaos. This is the way I refer to
Speaker 4: it as it's like.
Speaker 18: Messing things up as opposed to taking things like United
Speaker 18: States and Israel and even to a certain degree in Australia.
Speaker 18: If we attack someone's infrastructure, they're literally off the internet.
Speaker 4: They're going to be destroyed for a significant period of time.
Speaker 2: So it's less strategic and more problematic.
Speaker 4: Then yeah, that's what I would say.
Speaker 18: It's less strategic, and I mean they're more opportunistic as
Speaker 18: opposed to strategic, meaning if they can break into some
Speaker 18: supermarket websites or cause chaos and maybe take down with
Speaker 18: a denial of service attack like either a bank or
Speaker 18: some political websites during an election.
Speaker 4: That's the sort of things I like to do. It's
Speaker 4: just like think of.
Speaker 18: Them as you know, those protesters that a just running around.
Speaker 4: The streets breaking things. That's the way that I runs.
Speaker 18: I run works from a cyber perspective, but it does
Speaker 18: cause annoyance to.
Speaker 4: A certain degree.
Speaker 2: Okay, so they're not in the same league as Russia, say, China,
Speaker 2: or North Korea in places like that, then.
Speaker 18: Yeah, I mean North Carea is quite limited, but Russia
Speaker 18: and China they do have significant resources.
Speaker 4: If places like that are going to a take you.
Speaker 18: Let's say they were going to attack Australia, they would
Speaker 18: be going after electricity supplies, gas supplies, water supplies.
Speaker 4: Those sort of things.
Speaker 18: So I've always said for many years now, the next
Speaker 18: war will not be with soldiers on the front line.
Speaker 18: It'll be you and me sitting in our homes when
Speaker 18: the power goes out or the gas goes out. I remember,
Speaker 18: many years ago, many many years agoes on with Union Melbourne,
Speaker 18: the gas supply infrastructure in Victoria went out and we
Speaker 18: literally had to have like cold showers.
Speaker 4: For about two weeks as they repaired it. So that's
Speaker 4: the sort of thing that they could take out now.
Speaker 18: It's also one of the things people don't understand is
Speaker 18: while there are lots of remote attacks, attributing blame is
Speaker 18: quite difficult because very rarely will a remote state such
Speaker 18: as Iran, Russia, China attack from their own country. It's
Speaker 18: very easy for us to actually block traffic from those countries.
Speaker 18: But what they do is they hack something in Germany
Speaker 18: that Germany server, will hack something in Singapore that Singapore
Speaker 18: Service has something in Australia, right, so the.
Speaker 4: Hack will actually look like it comes from Australia itself.
Speaker 18: So trying to say, oh, we're blocking all traffic from
Speaker 18: XYZ country's when.
Speaker 4: Everyone says that, I just kind of blove and go yeah.
Speaker 18: Really, the Internet is designed not to ever be affected,
Speaker 18: and you cannot take the Internet down.
Speaker 2: I was in Queensland in the eighties when Sea queb
Speaker 2: the Southeast Queensland Electricity Board. We're having issues with the
Speaker 2: job occupedis and government and they intermittently cut off the
Speaker 2: power and people were just going nuts. And I did
Speaker 2: read that after seventy two hours, that's when people really
Speaker 2: start to lose their mind if they haven't got electricity
Speaker 2: and they haven't.
Speaker 4: Got hot water.
Speaker 2: Like you said, so something even for that minimal amount
Speaker 2: of time does cause a huge amount of disruption.
Speaker 4: It absolutely does. We have. It's a weird psychological effect.
Speaker 18: If you're sitting in your house, like I'm sitting here
Speaker 18: right now, if my power goes out, I.
Speaker 6: Go, what the hell?
Speaker 4: What's going on?
Speaker 18: And then if I walk outside though, and I see
Speaker 18: the entire streets out, I go, okay, shared suffering, Yeah, yeah, right,
Speaker 18: that's right.
Speaker 4: We sort of chill out a bit.
Speaker 18: But after a period with electricity, especially when you lose
Speaker 18: start to lose monetary value, like all the items in
Speaker 18: your freezer and things like that, that's when people start
Speaker 18: to get upset.
Speaker 4: But the thing that affects us the most is the
Speaker 4: things that we never think about.
Speaker 18: You don't sit here turning your tap on, going oh,
Speaker 18: look at that, My TAP's awesome. I look at my
Speaker 18: phone until you don't have this exactly, until these things
Speaker 18: that are just air to us, that we just breed daily,
Speaker 18: until they get to take it away from us, we
Speaker 18: don't realize. But this is how we are going to
Speaker 18: be on the front line. But also all of the countries,
Speaker 18: and I'm sure Australia to we have operatives in all
Speaker 18: these other countries. This is they all have operators here,
Speaker 18: so they don't necessarily just have to attack remotely ciberly
Speaker 18: from far far away.
Speaker 4: They can do things here too.
Speaker 2: I did see that the Wall Street Journal ran a
Speaker 2: story about how regulators and governments were issuing warnings to
Speaker 2: businesses to check their defenses. Are the usual defenses we've
Speaker 2: got in place? Okay? Is there anything else that we
Speaker 2: need to do in terms of what security we've got.
Speaker 18: I'm sorry to say this, shore, but we are probably
Speaker 18: have one percent of what we need. Most people try
Speaker 18: to do things themselves. It's like having backups. When was
Speaker 18: the last time you even heard about people backing up servers?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Right? And like people just to go relate, just to
Speaker 4: rely on the cloud.
Speaker 18: They relying on whatever product they buy, and they also
Speaker 18: rely on whatever it's it integrator is telling them.
Speaker 4: Are we vulnerable? Absolutely. We don't change the passwords of
Speaker 4: our routers.
Speaker 18: Like I did a talk the other day about accessing
Speaker 18: web cameras and the problem is it is so easy,
Speaker 18: and people just keep the same factory default settings where
Speaker 18: you can look into people's cameras, into their bedrooms, their bathrooms,
Speaker 18: their offices, and you can see what's going on. Because
Speaker 18: people don't bother, they just assume that technology is safe.
Speaker 4: Now with everything from a few years ago is very
Speaker 4: different now.
Speaker 18: If you go to Bunning's website and look for the
Speaker 18: term grid connect, you will see fans, heaters, light switches, power.
Speaker 4: Everything is smart now. Everything has an IP address.
Speaker 18: And I think it was last year that I was
Speaker 18: messing with my neighbor because he would have bought a
Speaker 18: fan and.
Speaker 4: He didn't realize I was a smart fan and I
Speaker 4: was working on my network at the time, and I
Speaker 4: didn't do it. It's on purpose.
Speaker 18: I went, oh, I don't know what's going on here.
Speaker 18: There's a fan added itself to my network. So I
Speaker 18: was turning his van on and off at three o'clock
Speaker 18: in the morning, and he didn't even realize I was
Speaker 18: a smart fan and didn't know what was happening. Now,
Speaker 18: imagine if that was like one of those little twenty
Speaker 18: dollars powerpoints with an IP address in it, and I'm
Speaker 18: turning on and off something that's actually quite critical. Wow,
Speaker 18: everything is smart. Now, everything is smart.
Speaker 2: I wonder what people would be more annoyed at losing
Speaker 2: a hot shower or the Internet.
Speaker 18: I mean, this is the Internet these days are kind
Speaker 18: of ubiquitous. I mean, I sit here, I'm using starlink,
Speaker 18: so you can't cut my cables. But then most people
Speaker 18: are on five five G and mobile phones. So to
Speaker 18: take out most people's Internet today, you'd actually have to
Speaker 18: take out the cellular their works.
Speaker 4: So it's quite hard these days to do a lot
Speaker 4: of that.
Speaker 18: And the Internet's designed specifically to within built innate failover.
Speaker 18: Now this is the sad thing is your house might
Speaker 18: not work, your fridge might not work.
Speaker 4: You can't do anything, but you can still post on TikTok.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe I should have rephrased the question, what do
Speaker 2: you think people would be more afraid to lose Facebook
Speaker 2: or toilet paper?
Speaker 4: Facebook probably made.
Speaker 2: Always good to do it you, thank you so much,
Speaker 2: No problem. Bill Keith Stevens there, the futurist, and he
Speaker 2: makes a good point there too. You know, it's when
Speaker 2: it starts interrupting with things that we take for granted,
Speaker 2: like turning under tap, then all of a sudden, you
Speaker 2: know it's it's a really big issue. Perhaps I could
Speaker 2: liken it to this losing the remote control, remember that
Speaker 2: back in the day when you probably not so much now,
Speaker 2: but certainly back in the day when you lost your
Speaker 2: remote control. Well, nothing in the world could be as
Speaker 2: bad as that, except perhaps now in this day and age,
Speaker 2: not being able to find your mobile phone twenty five
Speaker 2: minutes plus five thanks to the people ringing through. But
Speaker 2: I can't take your call because I got to go home,
Speaker 2: because it's getting to that time, five twenty nine, getting
Speaker 2: ready for ben Fordham coming up on two GB just
Speaker 2: a moment, and I'll find out exactly how cold it is,
Speaker 2: because it looks like it's around zero at least feels
Speaker 2: like zero. And Sydney, well, I'll find out if it
Speaker 2: is that cold. If Ben's actually wearing long sleeves and pants,
Speaker 2: then you know it must be really arctic outside, followed
Speaker 2: by Mark Levy, who's having a great time spinning that
Speaker 2: wheel too. He'll be joining you after nine and in
Speaker 2: Brisbane for BC, it's Peter Vegan on the four BC
Speaker 2: Breakfast Show. Hey, it's been a really long show, but
Speaker 2: there's a lot of stuff we didn't get to, so
Speaker 2: I'm going to get to that tonight. Hopefully you can
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Speaker 2: yourself a fantastic day,