WEBVTT - Wake Up Australia with Phil O'Neil - Thursday 26th June

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<v Speaker 1>This on two GB, four BC and network stations. This

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<v Speaker 1>is Wake Up Lustrod, Yeah with fill O'Neil.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning. How are you nearly July already? Can you

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<v Speaker 2>believe it?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes it just feels like we're on a roller coaster

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<v Speaker 2>or just some kind of a ride. You just get

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<v Speaker 2>out of bed every day and just get on that

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<v Speaker 2>ride and just go with it. Next thing you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's Christmas bloody cold in Sydney. I've been out for

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<v Speaker 2>ages because you know, I've been here since midnight, but

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<v Speaker 2>I got in about ten and it wasn't as cold

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<v Speaker 2>as apparently it is now because it's seven degrees in Sydney,

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<v Speaker 2>but it feels like zero.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that right?

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<v Speaker 5>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>We'll have to check with the ben Fordham team when

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<v Speaker 2>they get in this morning to find out exactly how

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<v Speaker 2>cold it is. Spiro is always good for that weather

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<v Speaker 2>forecaster and in Brisbane eleven degrees, but it feels like nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Before I get to the front page of the papers.

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<v Speaker 2>At eight minutes past four, just a couple of texts.

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<v Speaker 2>Ray at Varnum said Peter Kredlin would make a good

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<v Speaker 2>liberal leader. We're just talking about the speech that Susan

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<v Speaker 2>Lee gave to the Press Club yesterday and Jody said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I think we were all thinking I could tell the

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<v Speaker 2>Libs in one minute how they got it wrong. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't need a six month inquiry. They sit on the

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<v Speaker 2>fence and like Labor, they're out at touch and they

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<v Speaker 2>stand for nothing. They're clueless. Jody says, Australia is noomed

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<v Speaker 2>with labor. We know, why do six months retrospect look

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<v Speaker 2>over the shoulder this far down the track. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>make any difference, doesn't it. There's no need for the

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<v Speaker 2>sort of investigation you lost weren't good enough. Move forward

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<v Speaker 2>would be my advice. And also, hallo Tom, how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Susan Lee is not going to be strong enough against Labor.

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<v Speaker 2>No way, not the party of today. They play dirty

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<v Speaker 2>and no way would you hear Elbow groveling about the

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<v Speaker 2>parts mistakes. It's always somebody else's fault, but theirs says

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<v Speaker 2>die mind you. I think you probably would hear Albow complain,

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<v Speaker 2>no grovel grovel if there was something that you know

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't his bomb. Anyway, We're going to get to Luke

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<v Speaker 2>Boner on Manam at nine minutes past four. Keep your

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<v Speaker 2>text coming through zero four six zero eight seven three

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<v Speaker 2>eight seven three. Nice to hear from you. Let's have

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<v Speaker 2>a look at the newspapers. As you know, I always

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<v Speaker 2>start with the Australian because that's the one that comes

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<v Speaker 2>out with the smallest print. I don't know why the

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<v Speaker 2>printer gives this one so small. So I've got a

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<v Speaker 2>squint at it, and if i can get through this,

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<v Speaker 2>I can get through anything. Front page of the Australian

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<v Speaker 2>has this. In the space of just twenty four hours,

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump went through the full spectrum of emotions as

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<v Speaker 2>he tried to pull off the impossible and stop the

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<v Speaker 2>Israel Iran war. He went from ecstatic to so angry

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<v Speaker 2>he swore in front of the world cameras. By the end,

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<v Speaker 2>he was receiving a hero's welcome at the NATO summit

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<v Speaker 2>on Wednesday, Mister Trump said he was proud of Israel

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<v Speaker 2>for holding back its plans to break the ceasefire, and

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<v Speaker 2>that he and that he could see the US having

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<v Speaker 2>some kind of a relationship with Teyran. So there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the page of the Australian. Front page of the

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<v Speaker 2>Telegraph shots multiple times in his career in the underworld

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<v Speaker 2>and living with the trauma of having to bury his mates.

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<v Speaker 2>Former hard man of the notorious Brothers for Life gang,

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<v Speaker 2>Fred Naje has warned no glory awaits those fighting in

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<v Speaker 2>the current bloody gang war. It's front page of the Telegraph,

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<v Speaker 2>front page of the Courier Mail. The headline is You've

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<v Speaker 2>got one job. Eight state labor MPs skipped Parliament and

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<v Speaker 2>scattered across the state yesterday to criticize the government's budget,

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<v Speaker 2>with one sensationally declaring it doesn't matter if he casts

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<v Speaker 2>a vote in the chamber, in a move that prompted

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<v Speaker 2>outrage from the government. The group of Labor MPs missed

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<v Speaker 2>part of the parliament sitting day so they could instead

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<v Speaker 2>hold media conferences outside Brisbane to criticize the state budget.

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<v Speaker 2>How about that, Well, there's some serious black belt backstabbing,

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<v Speaker 2>there isn't there. I know that Peter Figan will be

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<v Speaker 2>talking about that this morning on the four BC Breakfast

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<v Speaker 2>Show this morning after five thirty on four BBC, because

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<v Speaker 2>he was talking about that yesterday and I imagine that

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<v Speaker 2>he would be less than impressed with that particular outcome

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<v Speaker 2>as well. Here's front page of the Sydney Morning Herald.

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<v Speaker 2>The ABC has been blasted for wasting more than one

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars in taxpayer money defending Antoinette Latoff's lawsuit after

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<v Speaker 2>a court found the broadcaster unlawfully sacked from her Sydney

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<v Speaker 2>station in a state of panic amid complaints about her

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<v Speaker 2>views on the Israel Hamas war. So that was the

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<v Speaker 2>story there, that she was sacked in a state of

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<v Speaker 2>panic by the people who ended up having to pay

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<v Speaker 2>seventy thousand, seventy thousand for three days work. That's not bad,

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<v Speaker 2>is it about what ben Fordham gets paid? I think?

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<v Speaker 2>Front page of the Age Secret rail plan to beat

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<v Speaker 2>crush hour in suburbs. This is in Melbourne. A secret

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<v Speaker 2>government report WARN's passengers will face crush conditions at train

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<v Speaker 2>stations across Melbourne's fast growing Northern and Western suburbs without

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<v Speaker 2>an urgent overhaul of the system. The ambitious Blueprint, which

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<v Speaker 2>supports electrification of the Melbourne and Windom lines and also

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<v Speaker 2>extends to the Upfield line, forecasts that without any action

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<v Speaker 2>within the next five to ten years, dozens of commuters

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<v Speaker 2>will be left stranded on platforms every time a play

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<v Speaker 2>a train comes. Well, Melbourne, come to Sydney, you got

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<v Speaker 2>to be stranded on the platform every time a train comes,

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<v Speaker 2>wondering if a train will come, We'll come to Sydney.

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<v Speaker 2>There's your Melbourne front page. Here's your Canberra Times front page.

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<v Speaker 2>The Canbra Liberals Liberals Peter Kain said he was ignored

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<v Speaker 2>by his party's leadership and left out of important meetings

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<v Speaker 2>with stakeholders. A week after he left the shadow cabinet,

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<v Speaker 2>mister Kane has head out again at the Cabra Liberals

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<v Speaker 2>leader Leanne Castley's staff team, describing a meeting between his

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<v Speaker 2>staff and her office as a very significant disappointment. But

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<v Speaker 2>Miss Castley says she has one hundred percent confidence in

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<v Speaker 2>her staff speaking public about the spat for the first

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<v Speaker 2>time and he would go to the financial reviews, wrap

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<v Speaker 2>up the front page of the papers with this. Big

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<v Speaker 2>investors count the cost of spurning the CBA. The country's

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<v Speaker 2>most prominent active fund managers avoided buying into Commonwealth Bank,

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<v Speaker 2>betting the stock was too expensive. Now as they roll

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<v Speaker 2>off the financial year, they are counting the cost and

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<v Speaker 2>missing out on the spectacular run of the local share

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<v Speaker 2>market's biggest company. Well, there you go, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>what that feels like. I mean, hey, I'm no prominent

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<v Speaker 2>active fund manager. So I can't talk about buying into

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<v Speaker 2>the Commonwealth Bank. But I mentioned this story before when

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<v Speaker 2>my mate said to me, Oh, I'm setting up a

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<v Speaker 2>year a fruit juice company. Would you like to put

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<v Speaker 2>in a thousand dollars pill? And I said, no, thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars for fruit. This is in the nineties. Thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>for a fruit juice company. I said, you've got to

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<v Speaker 2>be kidding. That's a waste of money. So I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>do it. And the company went on to be Boost Juice.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's my former boss and who now has over

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred million dollars in the bank. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>because I just knocked it back. So I know how

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<v Speaker 2>those investors are feeling, although they're investors, so they should

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<v Speaker 2>have known better. All right, fourteen minutes past four, As

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned, ben Fordham on the way at five point

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<v Speaker 2>thirty this morning on Sydney's two GB, followed by Mark

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<v Speaker 2>Levy who is having a time of his life spinning

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<v Speaker 2>that wheel. Go to the social pages the twogb, Facebook

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<v Speaker 2>or Instagram page to have a look at Mark Levy,

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<v Speaker 2>who really will be the next host of Wheel of Fortune.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Peter Vegan four BC at four point thirty

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<v Speaker 2>this morning, and coming up Luke Boner with the bona

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<v Speaker 2>Fine Report. The Boner Report just stuff of the four

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<v Speaker 2>to thirty news. Next up, though, we're going to find

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<v Speaker 2>out what's going on with the latest in the news

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<v Speaker 2>from our nine US correspondent Jonathan Cursley, and he'll give

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<v Speaker 2>us the update on what's happening at NATO as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Fourteen past four where it's eighteen minutes past four, a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of people on the tech. So Michael's given us

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<v Speaker 2>the score in the Cricket Australia one hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three for five head on fifty two, Webster out on eleven.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was mentioning before the Antoinette ler tooth payout

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<v Speaker 2>of seventy thousand dollars and I mentioned, well, you know

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<v Speaker 2>that's pretty much what ben Fordham gets paid by the hour.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody said seventy thousand bucks is loose change in Ben's pocket,

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<v Speaker 2>mind you. The good thing about Ben Fordham is, apart

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<v Speaker 2>from he puts on Sydney's Best Breakfast radio show, he's

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<v Speaker 2>also a good gauge of the temperature. Because if he's

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<v Speaker 2>coming into work with shorts and a T shirt on.

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<v Speaker 2>I know the temperature hasn't quite hit the zero, but

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<v Speaker 2>I know if we get to zero then it might

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<v Speaker 2>even be a case where ben Fordham's wearing long trousers.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you know it's cold. All right, Let's get the

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<v Speaker 2>update on what's going on with our Channel nine news

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<v Speaker 2>correspondent Jonathan Cursley in American Morning. Jonathan, Well, Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>is at NATO at the moment. How's that working out

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<v Speaker 2>for him? Because he got a really nice introductory text

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<v Speaker 2>on his way there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I mean, unlike Forto, President Trump put pants on,

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<v Speaker 5>which was probably a good start to his NATO summer.

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, look he was walking with open arms. He

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<v Speaker 5>put out a leaked text message from Mark Rudder, Yeah today,

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<v Speaker 5>no Secretary General that effectively was.

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<v Speaker 4>Written in Trump speak.

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<v Speaker 5>It was all praising the President, saying that essentially, NATO allies,

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<v Speaker 5>we're going to do what he wants to do, and

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<v Speaker 5>that is give this commitment to having the defense spending

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<v Speaker 5>boost of five percent of GDP. There was handshaking, hugs

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<v Speaker 5>and smiles. There was a pulicide meeting with Voladimir Zelenski

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<v Speaker 5>and Donald Trump, who had previously threatened to walk away

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<v Speaker 5>from NATO.

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<v Speaker 4>Remember his first term.

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<v Speaker 5>This was an organization essentially he said that US didn't

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<v Speaker 5>essentially need to be part of and has pushed consistently

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<v Speaker 5>for Europe to do more.

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<v Speaker 4>He says he's walked away.

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<v Speaker 5>From this summit feeling a little bit better. So the groveling,

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<v Speaker 5>the bending of the knee, that, if you want to

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<v Speaker 5>call it, the kissing of the proverbial ring, seems to

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<v Speaker 5>have worked. It has rubbed off on Donald Trump because

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<v Speaker 5>that is what the NATO allies wanted to do. They

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<v Speaker 5>wanted to essentially shower him with love and affection, and

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<v Speaker 5>in doing that, they essentially got a commitment from him

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<v Speaker 5>that you know, he will be back, that the United

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<v Speaker 5>States will stay, that they will remain a committed member

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<v Speaker 5>of NATO. And he's obviously pleased with the fact that

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<v Speaker 5>they are going to spend five percent boost the defense,

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<v Speaker 5>spending about five percent of GDP. Interestingly, little side note

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<v Speaker 5>that seemed to come out of this. Sitting alongside the

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<v Speaker 5>NATO Secretary General, Donald Trump was called Daddy.

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<v Speaker 2>I say all that I heard that, Daddy. Yeah, Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't that interesting?

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<v Speaker 4>Daddy Trump?

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<v Speaker 5>President Trump, He was asked if he treats all of

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<v Speaker 5>the NATO allies like children, he says, you know, sometimes

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<v Speaker 5>they don't get along. But he seems to think that

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<v Speaker 5>he doesn't mind being called daddy. He even thought that

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<v Speaker 5>he was that it was said, you're my daddy. So

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not sure what quite conversation he was listening to,

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<v Speaker 5>but needless to say, headlines, nicknames, some sort of weird

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<v Speaker 5>romance coming out of all of this. A successful summit

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<v Speaker 5>for NATO, A successful some yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Well you know, I would say in defense of the

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<v Speaker 2>NATO chiefs as well, and in defense of anybody at NATO.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever work works right, whatever it takes.

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<v Speaker 5>Whatever it takes. And clearly Mark Rutto, who has been

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<v Speaker 5>a leader of a European nation, has worked out that

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<v Speaker 5>with Donald Trump, whatever it takes means just shower him

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<v Speaker 5>with what he wants. And if you do that then

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<v Speaker 5>you will get what you want in return. So transactional, yes,

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<v Speaker 5>transactional friendship relationship showered with love and affection and plaud

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<v Speaker 5>it and pats on the back and plays. But he

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<v Speaker 5>has played exactly unto the Donald Trump handbooks.

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<v Speaker 2>Well you know, they probably read the Art of the

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<v Speaker 2>deal and they knew where to go. Although this hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>been without controversy. Donald Trump comparing the bombing of the

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<v Speaker 2>Iran nuclear science to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which you know

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<v Speaker 2>was another Donald Trump is and I suppose.

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<v Speaker 6>Well it is.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, there is nothing comparable to what happened at

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<v Speaker 5>Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It is essentially the biggest nuclear attack

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<v Speaker 5>by a nation on another one that the world has

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<v Speaker 5>seen and have not seen another one of a nuclear

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<v Speaker 5>bomb likes. Since that's time, Donald Trump had been pushing

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<v Speaker 5>this line that the United States has obliterated, destroyed Aram's

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<v Speaker 5>nuclear facilities, even though there was this defense intelligence report

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<v Speaker 5>that came out yesterday that said, no, that's not the case.

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<v Speaker 5>Essentially they have been damaged, but they've already been delayed

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<v Speaker 5>really by about.

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<v Speaker 6>Six months or so.

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<v Speaker 5>In the last five moments five minutes, we've just heard

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<v Speaker 5>from his Director of National Intelligence, Solsy Gabbar, who's come

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<v Speaker 5>out and miraculously somehow discovered some new intelligence that says, actually, yes,

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<v Speaker 5>President Trump is completely right, the nuclear sydes have been destroyed.

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<v Speaker 5>It's going to for some decades to bring this all back.

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<v Speaker 5>So look, there's conflicting reports, conflicting information coming out in

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<v Speaker 5>the wake of the US strike on alarm. But clearly

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<v Speaker 5>the key aspect out of all of that, Iran had

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<v Speaker 5>four hundred and eight kilograms of the question now is

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<v Speaker 5>where is that?

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<v Speaker 3>Where is it?

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<v Speaker 5>Where is that uranium? Because if they want to restart

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<v Speaker 5>a program, they may well have the uranium. That's a danger,

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<v Speaker 5>that's a risk. The American intelligence agencies would want to

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<v Speaker 5>be highlighting exactly where that is faster than they can possibility.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just go back to what you were saying about

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<v Speaker 2>Telsey Gabbard. Didn't she have a falling out over intelligence

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<v Speaker 2>with Donald Trump a lesson a week ago and was

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<v Speaker 2>on the out.

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<v Speaker 5>And you hit the nail exactly on the head. She

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<v Speaker 5>was the one who sat before a committee and said

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<v Speaker 5>the intelligence agencies were not off the view that Iran

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<v Speaker 5>was developing a nuclear weapon. And when it was put

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<v Speaker 5>to the presidents that this was exactly what had been said,

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<v Speaker 5>he said, no, that's rubbish. The intelligence agencies are wrong.

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<v Speaker 5>Who in my administration would say that? And he said

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<v Speaker 5>Tulsi Gabbard? Yeah, And then he said, oh, well, she's wrong.

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<v Speaker 5>So clearly the Director of National Intelligence, he's under pressure

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<v Speaker 5>to try and keep herself in the inner sanctum. She

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<v Speaker 5>hasn't released this new intelligence report yet, which wait and

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<v Speaker 5>see whether that information obviously comes out. So clearly there's

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of behind the scenes powerplays going on, but

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<v Speaker 5>when it comes to a Trump administration, the only person

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<v Speaker 5>who holds any power is Donald Trump himself.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it looks to me that they'd be trying to

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<v Speaker 2>keep your job because a couple of days ago, both

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<v Speaker 2>her and Pete Hegseth were completely on the outer that

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<v Speaker 2>was talking about, you know, Pete Hegseth being replaced and

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<v Speaker 2>also Tolsy Gabbart. So she's probably been thinking to herself,

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<v Speaker 2>I've got to keep my job here. But it's interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't it, because there's so much talk, a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>it's coming out of CNN and also coming out of

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<v Speaker 2>the New York Times saying that, you know, they don't

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<v Speaker 2>believe this strike on Iran and the nuclear facility was

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<v Speaker 2>as successful as Donald Trump has tried to claim it

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<v Speaker 2>has been. But you know, from a layman's perspective, it's

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<v Speaker 2>hard to know because you're only seeing images of something

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<v Speaker 2>above the ground, and this is going way down into

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<v Speaker 2>the ground. Until you've got some kind of camera going underground,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you haven't got any proof of whether or

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<v Speaker 2>not it was successful or not.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's exactly the point. You need the underground assessment.

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<v Speaker 5>You need images from inside the his tunnels, inside these

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<v Speaker 5>facilities that go tens and tens of meters underground to

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<v Speaker 5>get a real gauge on exactly how much has been destroyed,

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<v Speaker 5>because as you can see from the existing satellite images,

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<v Speaker 5>it just looks so cold on the ground. But what

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<v Speaker 5>they were trying to do was cause the damage underground. Now,

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<v Speaker 5>the thing with Donald Trump is his language is always strong.

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<v Speaker 5>He always goes above and beyond and over the top.

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<v Speaker 5>So it was language like a bliterator totally destroyed, total

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<v Speaker 5>obliteration that he kept talking about. That is obviously not

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<v Speaker 5>giving himself much wiggle room really, because if there is

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<v Speaker 5>any intelligence that comes back that suggests even slightly it's

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<v Speaker 5>not well, Yes, organizations like CNN and The New York Times,

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<v Speaker 5>which he is highly critical of, I're going to point

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<v Speaker 5>it out to him that this is the case. And

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<v Speaker 5>he's even been quick in the last hour or so

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<v Speaker 5>to come back at CNN and the New York Times,

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<v Speaker 5>accusing them, as he does, of being fake news, of

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<v Speaker 5>being legacy media that are getting it wrong. And have

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<v Speaker 5>a vendetta against him and are out forget him. It's

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<v Speaker 5>a message to the design to get to his supporter base.

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<v Speaker 5>But to go back to your question, Yes, the only

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<v Speaker 5>way you can answer exactly how much capability of runs

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<v Speaker 5>is you have to get people or cameras under the

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<v Speaker 5>ground and find out exactly what the run has left.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, I'm on Trump's side here. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>easy to mean what you know essentially was one of

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<v Speaker 2>the most successful military strikes in history. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>easy to say, well, that didn't happen. But if you

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<v Speaker 2>haven't got the proof see in New York Times, if

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<v Speaker 2>you haven't got cameras under the ground, then you know

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<v Speaker 2>you're just speculating. So, you know, to say that it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't successful, I think is unfair on the attempt that

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<v Speaker 2>he was trying to, you know, to try and ease

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<v Speaker 2>the situation. So that's what's happening in the world, my friend,

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<v Speaker 2>Anything else that you wanted to mention when I've got

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<v Speaker 2>you hear anything else in the world of any interest?

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<v Speaker 5>Mate, let's mention Taylor Swift getting back on stage, shall we?

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<v Speaker 5>For those listeners up early in the morning. She's been

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<v Speaker 5>back at Nashville, back in her home area, back on stage,

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<v Speaker 5>performing publicly for the first time since the end of

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<v Speaker 5>her ears to a Phil, I know how big a

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<v Speaker 5>swifty you are, mate, and I have no doubt that

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<v Speaker 5>you'll have been saying all the videos that have been

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<v Speaker 5>streaming of her with her football star boyfriend Travis Kelsey

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<v Speaker 5>hanging out in Nashville, strumming along, singing a little bit

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<v Speaker 5>of Shake it Off.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you even know the names of the song? If

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<v Speaker 2>you said if I was, if I had seventy thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars spare and I'd hit you with that question, I

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<v Speaker 2>would not have put seventy thousand dollars on the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that you'd come back with a headline that featured Taylor Swift. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>that was the most unexpected response I've ever had.

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<v Speaker 5>So you can take it to the break by you

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<v Speaker 5>can sing the lyrics, mate. I'll leave you to do

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<v Speaker 5>all the magic work your vocal cords. Let the listeners

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<v Speaker 5>of Australia hear just how much the haters are going

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<v Speaker 5>to hate, hate, hate, and the rest of the words

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<v Speaker 5>that Taylor Swift.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you said, can you know the words you've got?

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<v Speaker 2>You're ahead of me Jonathan good to toich you mate,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much. Jonathan Kursey Channel nine correspondent there

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<v Speaker 2>with the update on the important news, Taylor Swift and

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<v Speaker 2>the other stuff as well. Okay, coming up to four

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eight, We're going to catch up with Luke Boner

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<v Speaker 2>in a moment. We'll get the Boner Report and find

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<v Speaker 2>out what he wants to talk about and to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to you about as well. It's interactive, so get your

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<v Speaker 2>calls on the air one three one eight seven three.

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<v Speaker 2>Our text number two if you want to text me

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<v Speaker 2>here in the studio zero four six zero eight seven

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<v Speaker 2>three eight seven three at four to twenty eight. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>get the newsrooms after this and your sport update twenty

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<v Speaker 2>nine minutes to five on a text here no name

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<v Speaker 2>on the text. But I don't understand the skepticism about

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<v Speaker 2>Iran and nuclear weapons. They themselves have been saying for

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<v Speaker 2>years they want to make one. They're one of the

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<v Speaker 2>richest oil nations in the world. What do they want

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<v Speaker 2>the nuclear power for? Do people think they're concerned about

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<v Speaker 2>net zero? The only reason they haven't got one yet

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<v Speaker 2>is because Israel has been taking out different parts of

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<v Speaker 2>their nuclear infrastructure for decades. That's a text that came through.

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<v Speaker 2>No name on that, but appreciate your text. Zero four

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<v Speaker 2>six zero eight seven three eight seven three. If you'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to Texas one three one eight seven three is

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<v Speaker 2>a phone number. We'll talk to Luke Boner with the

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<v Speaker 2>Boner Report in a second. You can give him a

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<v Speaker 2>ring and have a chat about whatever is taking his

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<v Speaker 2>fancy this morning. But in the meantime, at twenty eight

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<v Speaker 2>minutes to five, let's get to the news booths around

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<v Speaker 2>the country, starting off at the newsroom in Sydney on

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<v Speaker 2>two GB.

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<v Speaker 3>And now on Wake Up Australia News Today.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Sasha Foot, Good morning, Sasha, what have we got?

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<v Speaker 7>Good morning Phil that two men have been charged over

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<v Speaker 7>a mass brawl at a building site in Sydney's northwest.

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<v Speaker 7>It's alleged to scuffle was the second fight at the

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<v Speaker 7>Merriton work site in Castle Hill. They say the father

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<v Speaker 7>and son came back with a larger group for a

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<v Speaker 7>second day when the brawl broke out. Psychiatrists in Queensland

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<v Speaker 7>are slamming the state government over a failure to invest

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<v Speaker 7>in the mental health workforce. The Royal Australian College of

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<v Speaker 7>Psychiatrists believes there's no concrete plan to address a shortage

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<v Speaker 7>of beds, and NATO leaders have agreed to hike defense

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<v Speaker 7>and security spending to five percent of annual GDP. US

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<v Speaker 7>President Donald Trump says the hike is historic after pushing

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<v Speaker 7>for the demand at the summit. Phil More News at

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<v Speaker 7>the top of the hour.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you Sasha in the two GB newsroom in Sydney.

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<v Speaker 2>That's got to Melbourne. The three AW newsroom and it's

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<v Speaker 2>Kiara Parker. Good morning care, Good morning Well.

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<v Speaker 8>The Victorian Liberal Party here is set to be embrailed

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<v Speaker 8>in a fresh legal case for the Supreme Court challenge

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<v Speaker 8>to John Psudo's promise one point five million dollar loan.

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<v Speaker 8>Expect to be lodged today. A group of Liberals behind

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<v Speaker 8>the mover seeking injunction blocking the party from loaning him

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<v Speaker 8>the money he needs to honor his two million dollar

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<v Speaker 8>debt to his colleague more redeeming for defaming her and

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<v Speaker 8>to avoid bankruptcy. The judge in the Mushroom murder trial

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<v Speaker 8>will today begin a third day of instructions to the

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<v Speaker 8>jury before they begin deliberating to determine whether Aaron Patterson

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<v Speaker 8>is guilty or not guilty of deliberately poisoning her relatives

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<v Speaker 8>with deathcat mushrooms. It's week nine of the trial, the

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<v Speaker 8>jury not expected to start deliberations until tomorrow, and a

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<v Speaker 8>factory fire at Hallam is now under control. The cause

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<v Speaker 8>of the blaze at a school book business which broke

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<v Speaker 8>out overnight is being investigated.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much, Kiara. They're Kiara Parker in the

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<v Speaker 2>Melbourne three aw newsroom on the Texas one came in

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<v Speaker 2>from Ray. The reporter from CA a man who reported

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<v Speaker 2>the current league, is the same reporter who said the

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<v Speaker 2>Biden tapes were fake and Russian coercion was correct. They

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<v Speaker 2>are only Trump haters who will say anything to bring

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<v Speaker 2>Trump down. That text coming in from Ray.

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<v Speaker 1>There a sports update thanks to West End Mootor Group

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<v Speaker 2>Cameron Green will stay at number three in Australia's batting

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<v Speaker 2>order for the next for the first Test against the

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<v Speaker 2>West Indies, despite a low score in the recent World

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<v Speaker 2>Test Championship Final. Captain Pat Cummings said Green is seen

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<v Speaker 2>as a long term option that is hitting well in

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<v Speaker 2>the nets. Josh English comes in at number four, replacing

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<v Speaker 2>the injured Steve Smith, and also Sam Costas nineteen will

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<v Speaker 2>make his debut opening with the usmn Kwasher, and also

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<v Speaker 2>Magnus Lubashane, who has dropped. We don't want any moving parts,

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<v Speaker 2>or at least not too many, said Cummins. Green will

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<v Speaker 2>get a good run. And yes, I know called John

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<v Speaker 2>Josh Inglish Josh English a moment ago. It's twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>minutes to five. All right, let's good to look.

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<v Speaker 3>Now on Wake Up Australia. It's time for the report.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to apologize. I didn't mean to speak to

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<v Speaker 2>you yesterday, but I was running around and doing some

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<v Speaker 2>rap for this show. I was in my pajamas to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I was doing preparation to keep us on the air

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<v Speaker 2>for five and a half hours, I know. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was in my pajamas until about seven o'clock and I

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<v Speaker 2>saw you ring me, and I know you were very

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<v Speaker 2>excited about something. And now I feel very apologetic because

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to tell me about it.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, let's listen here and not so repugnant. Phil. It's

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<v Speaker 6>a story that has has created a lot of stir

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<v Speaker 6>on my social media feedback on the bona Fide podcast,

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<v Speaker 6>and I just wanted to run this story past you

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<v Speaker 6>and your listeners because I can't believe how petty some

0:22:59.720 --> 0:23:01.760
<v Speaker 6>people can be. But if you think I'm wrong, you'll

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<v Speaker 6>let me know. It's the story that comes out of Adelaide.

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<v Speaker 6>Last week. There was a private school and there were

0:23:07.359 --> 0:23:10.240
<v Speaker 6>some year twelve boys, ten of them, year twelve, November,

0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:14.479
<v Speaker 6>year twelve, and they wanted to thank their science teacher

0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:19.520
<v Speaker 6>for being a good educator. And so these boys, with

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<v Speaker 6>the knowledge of their parents and the knowledge of the

0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:26.640
<v Speaker 6>teacher's family, they rocked up at his house and cook

0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:30.639
<v Speaker 6>him and his family breakfast. They were year twelve students

0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:34.159
<v Speaker 6>from Saint Peter's College in Adelaide. As I say the

0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:37.040
<v Speaker 6>student's parents were aware of their plans, and the breakfast

0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:41.800
<v Speaker 6>was organized without the teacher's knowledge, but his family was

0:23:41.800 --> 0:23:44.879
<v Speaker 6>in on it. Even one of the kids even started

0:23:44.880 --> 0:23:47.760
<v Speaker 6>playing the piano. It was all over by seven point thirty.

0:23:48.320 --> 0:23:52.199
<v Speaker 6>And the teacher, who has contacted me, has said that

0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:55.879
<v Speaker 6>he was just so flattered because as an educator, I

0:23:55.880 --> 0:23:58.159
<v Speaker 6>won't read you. I think I sent you his email,

0:23:58.359 --> 0:24:02.000
<v Speaker 6>the teacher's emails. I went on on breakfast television and

0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:04.159
<v Speaker 6>was talking about this and asked my opinion, and I

0:24:04.240 --> 0:24:08.000
<v Speaker 6>said I thought it was great. Now one parent, one

0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:12.320
<v Speaker 6>parent has made a complaint to the Board of Education

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<v Speaker 6>saying it was completely inappropriate, that they overstepped the boundaries

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<v Speaker 6>of teacher student relationships. And it would have been okay

0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:26.080
<v Speaker 6>they'd had a barbecue on school grounds, but for year

0:24:26.119 --> 0:24:28.480
<v Speaker 6>twelve students to go to a teacher's house and cooking

0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:33.840
<v Speaker 6>breakfast was absolutely inappropriate. Well, I am saying ball. I

0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:36.280
<v Speaker 6>think it was a wonderful gesture. You know, we are

0:24:36.320 --> 0:24:40.560
<v Speaker 6>losing teachers hand over fist, especially male teachers, and for

0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:44.480
<v Speaker 6>these students to feel enough warmth and love for this

0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:48.280
<v Speaker 6>bloke to say thank you for educating us and as

0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:50.440
<v Speaker 6>a present, we all just want to cook your breakfast

0:24:50.440 --> 0:24:53.680
<v Speaker 6>to make you feel special. I think it's absolutely wonderful.

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<v Speaker 6>Am I wrong?

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<v Speaker 2>No? But here's the issue too. You're absolutely right, But

0:24:57.520 --> 0:25:00.640
<v Speaker 2>the issue is apart from anything else. You know, five

0:25:00.760 --> 0:25:04.120
<v Speaker 2>hundred parents probably thought this was a great idea. Only

0:25:04.240 --> 0:25:07.440
<v Speaker 2>one person didn't like it, and that's the one person

0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:10.080
<v Speaker 2>who's getting listened to. And why is that the case?

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know. And it's created a huge stir and

0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:17.440
<v Speaker 6>believe it or not. The feedback on my Bonifi podcast

0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:22.840
<v Speaker 6>social media, about fifty percent of my podcast listeners agree

0:25:22.880 --> 0:25:26.480
<v Speaker 6>with that one parent that they're saying, no, it oversteps

0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:32.040
<v Speaker 6>the boundaries of student teacher relationships. So I was really

0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:36.400
<v Speaker 6>surprised when everyone's welcome to their feedback. But am I wrong?

0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:38.600
<v Speaker 6>I remember when I was at school, I was in

0:25:38.680 --> 0:25:40.560
<v Speaker 6>year eleven. I didn't go through the year twelve. I

0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:45.119
<v Speaker 6>dropped out and got into radio, can you tell? And

0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:49.080
<v Speaker 6>our basketball coach was a teacher at the school and

0:25:49.119 --> 0:25:51.119
<v Speaker 6>we all went back to his place for a barbecue

0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:54.760
<v Speaker 6>one Sunday. Was there anything wrong with that? And we

0:25:54.760 --> 0:25:56.920
<v Speaker 6>weren't in New twal Just remember this is year twelve.

0:25:57.240 --> 0:26:00.280
<v Speaker 6>I'm tipping that probably more than half of these students

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<v Speaker 6>are adults.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, seventeen, that's right. Yeah, So the phone number is

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<v Speaker 2>one three one eight seven three if you'd like to

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<v Speaker 2>give us your opinion. One can I ask you this though?

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<v Speaker 2>So he's the teacher's family were there too, right.

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<v Speaker 6>Absolutely absolutely, and they were all in on it, and

0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:21.679
<v Speaker 6>the parents of the year twelve students were in on it.

0:26:22.160 --> 0:26:25.679
<v Speaker 6>But it was one pairent that complaint. Incidentally, from what

0:26:25.800 --> 0:26:29.440
<v Speaker 6>I understand, that one parent that complained his son wasn't invited.

0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, there you go, there's the rub so fifty percent,

0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:34.919
<v Speaker 2>so split down the middle.

0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:38.240
<v Speaker 6>It split down the middle. I was surprised. I thought

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<v Speaker 6>that overwhelmingly people would think that the complaint was rubbish

0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:44.760
<v Speaker 6>and that it was a lovely gesture of some year

0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:47.840
<v Speaker 6>twelve boys at Saint Peter's in Adelaide. So I'm reading

0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:50.159
<v Speaker 6>the room role as well. I'd love to know what

0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:52.960
<v Speaker 6>our listeners think. Was that inappropriate? I don't think so,

0:26:53.080 --> 0:26:54.000
<v Speaker 6>But tell me if I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'd like to know on what grounds.

0:26:57.640 --> 0:27:03.560
<v Speaker 6>Well, they're saying that that students shouldn't visit teachers' houses.

0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:05.760
<v Speaker 2>But his family were there, so I can see that.

0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:08.959
<v Speaker 2>So if he was there on his own, and I mean

0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:11.520
<v Speaker 2>this is really you know, like splitting hairs, you know,

0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:13.359
<v Speaker 2>but if you were going to draw any kind of

0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:15.760
<v Speaker 2>inference on anything like that, you could say, well, he

0:27:15.840 --> 0:27:17.359
<v Speaker 2>was there on his own as a teacher. But if

0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 2>his family were there as well, and it wasn't just

0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:22.879
<v Speaker 2>one student going on his own to cook one male

0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:26.280
<v Speaker 2>teacher on his own breakfast, you know, there's not even

0:27:26.320 --> 0:27:28.280
<v Speaker 2>that isn't coming into the equation whatsoever.

0:27:29.560 --> 0:27:32.199
<v Speaker 6>The teacher's name is Hiwa Zoo Dardi.

0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:35.840
<v Speaker 2>He wrote to me, and I just lost you for

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<v Speaker 2>a second, that you're gone.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I think I sent you his email. I won't

0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:42.919
<v Speaker 6>read at all. It's quite long, but he says that

0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:46.919
<v Speaker 6>teaching is a reward and that the bonds between teachers

0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:49.160
<v Speaker 6>and students have a profound impact of the young person's

0:27:49.200 --> 0:27:52.840
<v Speaker 6>life trajectory. What occurred that morning, he says, would have

0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 6>been inappropriate if I was involved. It was deeply appropriate

0:27:57.480 --> 0:28:00.600
<v Speaker 6>as it was a powerful moment of gratitude. It entirely

0:28:00.640 --> 0:28:03.560
<v Speaker 6>by the students, shared openly with their families, and handled

0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:05.760
<v Speaker 6>with integrity. And he goes on to say, Luke, thank

0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:08.920
<v Speaker 6>you for your balanced perspective and for articulating something that

0:28:09.119 --> 0:28:13.600
<v Speaker 6>so often goes unspoken in public discourse, that respect, trust,

0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:17.560
<v Speaker 6>and high expectations can and should exist at our schools.

0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:20.560
<v Speaker 6>He says, Luke, your voices offered a moment of clarity

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:23.600
<v Speaker 6>in a conversation that was at risk of being clouded

0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:27.639
<v Speaker 6>by fear. With sincere appreciation, Hia jail DARNI, So there

0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:30.080
<v Speaker 6>you are. He reached out to me because he appreciated

0:28:30.119 --> 0:28:34.080
<v Speaker 6>the sentiment. But apparently, according to about fifty percent of

0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:36.320
<v Speaker 6>the feedback. I get I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, let's get to the phone. And Peter says

0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:41.080
<v Speaker 2>on the text it's a rubbish complaint a group of kids.

0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:42.920
<v Speaker 2>How about they go after they finish year twelve and

0:28:42.920 --> 0:28:45.080
<v Speaker 2>do it again, says Peter and Banks. Now I remember

0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:48.360
<v Speaker 2>to sir with love, Sidney Poisier. You know, oh god,

0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:51.880
<v Speaker 2>let's get too lu there you go exactly. Bob's on

0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:53.800
<v Speaker 2>the phone in Botany. I think Bob and I are

0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:55.560
<v Speaker 2>on the same page. Bob Mortie, Mate, you're wrong with

0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:56.080
<v Speaker 2>Luke Boner.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, gooday, Bob, what do you have I got this wrong?

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<v Speaker 9>No way in the world, mate. It just shows you

0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:06.920
<v Speaker 9>the way the world is evaluating. Now, one person complained

0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:09.880
<v Speaker 9>ninety No one might say it's okay. But I'll listen

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:13.120
<v Speaker 9>to that one person. And that happens in everyday life now, Luke.

0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:18.000
<v Speaker 9>I mean they listen to the one person, not the majority.

0:29:18.240 --> 0:29:21.480
<v Speaker 9>The one person don't take their advice. In the old days,

0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:23.440
<v Speaker 9>they throw them out and take them around the back

0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:25.440
<v Speaker 9>and say, mate, you're an idiot, see you later. But

0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:27.520
<v Speaker 9>now I mean, I'll listen to that one idiot.

0:29:28.240 --> 0:29:30.720
<v Speaker 6>I know I don't get this. How did we get

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:32.880
<v Speaker 6>to this. How did we get to this stage where

0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:38.960
<v Speaker 6>one squeaky wheel can ruin a wonderful gesture. I don't

0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:41.480
<v Speaker 6>get it. I'm just getting too old. I need to

0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:42.040
<v Speaker 6>jump off.

0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:44.880
<v Speaker 2>But also, I think that we live in such an

0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:50.120
<v Speaker 2>era of social media induced outrage that everybody is angry,

0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:52.920
<v Speaker 2>but half the time people don't know what they're angry about.

0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:56.960
<v Speaker 6>Luke, I know, and they obviously don't have enough reason

0:29:57.000 --> 0:29:58.560
<v Speaker 6>to get up in the morning. I mean, if you

0:29:58.680 --> 0:30:02.120
<v Speaker 6>really the plaint said it was outrageous, use the word

0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:05.240
<v Speaker 6>outrageous and has made an official complaint to the Board

0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:09.560
<v Speaker 6>of Education in South Australia. This is this is absolutely madness,

0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:13.000
<v Speaker 6>isn't it. It's madness. We are losing teachers and we

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:17.240
<v Speaker 6>desperately need male teachers. I'm not rubbishing the female teachers.

0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:19.800
<v Speaker 6>They all do a great job, but you have more

0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:23.000
<v Speaker 6>kids than ever coming from single parent families where they're

0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:27.320
<v Speaker 6>lacking a male role model, and I just think we've

0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:30.000
<v Speaker 6>got to do everything we can do encourage teaching. And

0:30:30.080 --> 0:30:34.040
<v Speaker 6>this story almost broke this poor bloke, and he was

0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:36.680
<v Speaker 6>obviously grateful with my comments. I was very strong when

0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:40.080
<v Speaker 6>I went on breakfast television during the week to talk

0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:44.920
<v Speaker 6>about this. You know it wasn't inappropriate the year twelve.

0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the man's family was there. Let's get to

0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:49.880
<v Speaker 2>another call. One three one eight seven three is the

0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:51.920
<v Speaker 2>phone number if you want to speak with Lek Bonner

0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:53.480
<v Speaker 2>about this. So let's get the Sam who's on the

0:30:53.480 --> 0:30:55.200
<v Speaker 2>Central Coase. Hello, Sam, you're on with Luke.

0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:58.480
<v Speaker 9>Go ahead, mate, Yeah there you're going.

0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:00.560
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, great, good morning.

0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:05.320
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, hey mate, idea your voice again, mister Boner, and

0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:06.200
<v Speaker 10>I'll be back.

0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:08.920
<v Speaker 6>Doing drive for Clinton in July, so stay with me.

0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:13.120
<v Speaker 10>Oh God be God be Hey. I just think as

0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:16.880
<v Speaker 10>a society, I think the normal people have just had

0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:21.440
<v Speaker 10>enough of being outraged, so they don't raise their comments anymore.

0:31:21.880 --> 0:31:26.120
<v Speaker 10>So then the silent majority is still silent, and the

0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:28.120
<v Speaker 10>minority dictate to the majority.

0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:32.000
<v Speaker 6>Yeah. I spoke to an old friend of mine, the

0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:35.640
<v Speaker 6>Reverend Jim Reynolds, who is the head of Outreach Ministries Australia,

0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:39.080
<v Speaker 6>on my podcast yesterday. He agrees with the complaint. He

0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:41.840
<v Speaker 6>thinks it overstepped and he thought it was inappropriate. And

0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:44.800
<v Speaker 6>this guy is the coolest reverend you'll ever meet, and

0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:47.360
<v Speaker 6>yet he sort of he went along with the fifty percent,

0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:51.040
<v Speaker 6>so it caught me completely by surprise. I want to

0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:54.840
<v Speaker 6>know to the caller, did you ever socialize with teachers

0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:55.640
<v Speaker 6>when you were at school?

0:31:58.040 --> 0:32:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Sam? Did you ever socialize with teachers when you're at school? No,

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:04.360
<v Speaker 2>Sam has disappeared and fallen off the line. Now I

0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:06.200
<v Speaker 2>think I'm going to take a guess and say, probably

0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:08.200
<v Speaker 2>the answer is no, because when you're at school you

0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:11.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't socialize with the teacher. But you know, those were

0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:13.160
<v Speaker 2>different times. But as he was saying, and I think

0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 2>I disagree with him, Luke, and he was saying that,

0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:18.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, people have finally got to outrage fatigue. I

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:21.120
<v Speaker 2>disagree with that. I think we haven't even scratched the

0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:24.720
<v Speaker 2>surface of outrage yet. You know, the more outrage, the

0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:26.000
<v Speaker 2>more outrage, I think.

0:32:26.520 --> 0:32:28.760
<v Speaker 6>But I remember, of course, I'm going back to nineteen

0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:31.800
<v Speaker 6>seventy eight now, when we were in the fifth form

0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:35.440
<v Speaker 6>what was called year eleventh. We had the traditional end

0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:38.160
<v Speaker 6>of year's school play. God we did South Pacific and

0:32:38.200 --> 0:32:41.800
<v Speaker 6>Forest High did Greece? How cool were they? But anyway

0:32:41.800 --> 0:32:45.360
<v Speaker 6>we did and we used to have weekends barbecues with

0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:48.320
<v Speaker 6>the English teacher and the music teacher, and that was

0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:51.200
<v Speaker 6>Year eleven. Our parents were aware of it. Some parents

0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:54.240
<v Speaker 6>even turned up. But we developed a wonderful relationship with

0:32:54.280 --> 0:32:56.720
<v Speaker 6>our music and English teacher while we were doing this

0:32:56.800 --> 0:33:01.479
<v Speaker 6>school play. I don't remember anything inappropriate. They treated us

0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:02.760
<v Speaker 6>like young adults.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Well, I've got some text coming through and I

0:33:04.880 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 2>got some calls. I hang in there just a moment.

0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:08.960
<v Speaker 2>I'll get to your text zero four six zero eight

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<v Speaker 2>seven three eight seven three and your calls as well

0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:12.920
<v Speaker 2>with Luke Boner. Give us a ring now one three,

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<v Speaker 2>one eight seven three, fourteen to five and I'm fillown

0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Neil here at eleven minutes to five ben Fordham on

0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:21.520
<v Speaker 2>two GB Sydney at five thirty and also coming up

0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:24.440
<v Speaker 2>on four BC in Brisbane, Peter Vegan. Luke Boner joins

0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:26.320
<v Speaker 2>us for the Boner Report before I get back to

0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:28.200
<v Speaker 2>back to more of the calls here, and we're talking

0:33:28.240 --> 0:33:31.680
<v Speaker 2>about students from an elite private school in Adelaide surprising

0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:34.360
<v Speaker 2>their teacher by going over to cook breakfast. I've got

0:33:34.360 --> 0:33:36.160
<v Speaker 2>more calls coming in. Let me give you a couple

0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:39.760
<v Speaker 2>of texts here too. By the way, Mike says Luke,

0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:41.800
<v Speaker 2>as much as you think it was a good gesture,

0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:44.880
<v Speaker 2>perhaps having the breakfast at the school and invite the

0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:47.360
<v Speaker 2>teacher's family might have been the better idea. Here's one

0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:49.760
<v Speaker 2>from Brett who said, there's nothing wrong with what those

0:33:49.840 --> 0:33:52.160
<v Speaker 2>year twelve students did for their teacher. The fact is

0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:55.720
<v Speaker 2>we only have one full complaining typical of the nanny state,

0:33:56.000 --> 0:33:59.440
<v Speaker 2>but also completely different to that was one that came

0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:02.680
<v Speaker 2>in a moment go as well from Margaret who said, look,

0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:05.400
<v Speaker 2>it's just creepy. You know, you've got don't care if

0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:09.399
<v Speaker 2>the family was involved. It was inappropriate from all ethical views.

0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:11.959
<v Speaker 2>And I've got some calls coming through for you too,

0:34:12.640 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 2>including Mark, who's on the phone from Brisbane. Morning. You're

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:16.279
<v Speaker 2>on with Luke Bonner.

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<v Speaker 11>Go ahead, mate, Yeah, yeah, good morning, Luke.

0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:19.919
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 12>I just want to think that you completely correct. There

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<v Speaker 12>is there is a real problem in the world today

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<v Speaker 12>with the male worker. Okay, for some reason, I believe

0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:33.719
<v Speaker 12>there's an imbalance and there's a balance problem. You know,

0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:36.200
<v Speaker 12>there are not enough male teachers and they're not going

0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:38.640
<v Speaker 12>there because everybody looks at the male teacher for the

0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:42.359
<v Speaker 12>wrong reasons, not all the good reasons. And I will

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<v Speaker 12>also say, you know it's completely through the workplaces now

0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:51.000
<v Speaker 12>with DEI men. Men are being ostracized everywhere and it

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<v Speaker 12>needs to change and go back to normality. You know,

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<v Speaker 12>we're not that bad a creature regard.

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<v Speaker 6>I've spoken to a lot of male teachers who have

0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:01.680
<v Speaker 6>given it away, and they say exactly what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, if a small child falls over in the

0:35:04.360 --> 0:35:07.600
<v Speaker 6>playground I'm talking about primary school now, a small child

0:35:07.600 --> 0:35:10.560
<v Speaker 6>falls over the playground, skins their knees, he can't give

0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:12.440
<v Speaker 6>them a cardior pick them up and say you okay,

0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:14.600
<v Speaker 6>it's going to be hands off. He's going to be

0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:18.560
<v Speaker 6>a two meters away and can't show any empathy for

0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:23.279
<v Speaker 6>the students. That's where we've got And you're right, male

0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:26.000
<v Speaker 6>teachers are being ostracized, and my god, we need them,

0:35:26.160 --> 0:35:26.759
<v Speaker 6>We need them.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. You've got to have good male figures, don't you.

0:35:29.280 --> 0:35:31.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, for somebody who did have an

0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:34.920
<v Speaker 2>absent father, I really missed that influence in my life.

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<v Speaker 6>You're going, Phil, I've got an email that's just come

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<v Speaker 6>through from Lucy from Pennant Hills, and my email she says,

0:35:42.320 --> 0:35:45.040
<v Speaker 6>it would have been a different story if it was

0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:48.880
<v Speaker 6>girls at a girls school going to a male teacher's

0:35:48.880 --> 0:35:53.120
<v Speaker 6>place to cook breakfast. Really, these are nearly adults and

0:35:53.160 --> 0:35:55.320
<v Speaker 6>they just wanted to say thank you to an educator.

0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:58.320
<v Speaker 6>Do you think it matters whether it was boys? Lucy

0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:01.040
<v Speaker 6>from Penn and Hills is saying that it would have

0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:03.680
<v Speaker 6>been different if, say, were feemale students.

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<v Speaker 2>Really yea, and what aspersion does that then cast on males.

0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Let's get to David, who's on the phone at Penrith. David,

0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:10.719
<v Speaker 2>you're on with Luke Boder.

0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:17.320
<v Speaker 4>May go ahead, thank I telling you great. I graduated

0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:19.000
<v Speaker 4>in twenty two.

0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:24.560
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm going to put you back to Dale just

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:26.680
<v Speaker 2>said yeah, because that's a pretty bad line. But we'll

0:36:26.719 --> 0:36:28.560
<v Speaker 2>go to David if we can get him back in

0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:30.480
<v Speaker 2>a good line in just a second. Oh, let's get

0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:33.000
<v Speaker 2>to Mike, who's on the phone in Billgola. Good morning, Mike,

0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:34.160
<v Speaker 2>you're on with Luke.

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<v Speaker 11>Go ahead, Yeah, good way, Phil and Luke. Good show.

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<v Speaker 11>Just this a whole idea of the minority caving an

0:36:40.440 --> 0:36:44.000
<v Speaker 11>excessive voice. It's because I think they, the majority of

0:36:44.080 --> 0:36:46.520
<v Speaker 11>two gutless now to stand up for a value. They've

0:36:46.520 --> 0:36:49.399
<v Speaker 11>lost the art of argument, and in this particular case,

0:36:49.440 --> 0:36:51.719
<v Speaker 11>they've led a very single or very small number of

0:36:51.719 --> 0:36:56.000
<v Speaker 11>people have their sort of views expressed and carry where

0:36:56.000 --> 0:36:58.680
<v Speaker 11>the majoritys probably wouldn't mind about it. I think we've

0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:00.400
<v Speaker 11>got to learn to argue. We've got to learned to

0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:03.080
<v Speaker 11>stand up for our value, isn't it. And also it

0:37:03.120 --> 0:37:06.799
<v Speaker 11>was one small thing in there sixties lou in the

0:37:06.800 --> 0:37:09.560
<v Speaker 11>Northern Preaches where we going well with our teachers and

0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:11.279
<v Speaker 11>we used to streat with them on a rider out

0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:11.879
<v Speaker 11>a pub.

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<v Speaker 6>The way life was. What school did you go to?

0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:18.040
<v Speaker 11>Mainly?

0:37:18.120 --> 0:37:20.839
<v Speaker 6>I there was maybe boys back then.

0:37:22.200 --> 0:37:26.000
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, it was, it was very, very it was. It

0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:26.720
<v Speaker 11>was a good school.

0:37:27.320 --> 0:37:29.200
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and you're the girls' school which is now fresh

0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:33.000
<v Speaker 6>forward selective across the road across the oval look. I

0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:35.520
<v Speaker 6>went to Narrabeen Boys High. We were co ed and

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:38.040
<v Speaker 6>then it was narrow being high and we got on

0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 6>great with our teachers. But when you're in year eleven

0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:42.680
<v Speaker 6>and year twelve, you are treated like a young adult

0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:44.320
<v Speaker 6>because you're at school because you want to be, not

0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:47.640
<v Speaker 6>because it's the law. And I mean the relationships we

0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:51.600
<v Speaker 6>had with male and female teachers was fantastic, nothing inappropriate.

0:37:51.840 --> 0:37:52.440
<v Speaker 6>So there you are.

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<v Speaker 2>And can I just say to Mike that I disagree

0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:57.640
<v Speaker 2>with you say people have lost the will to argue, Mike,

0:37:57.680 --> 0:38:00.640
<v Speaker 2>I can guarantee you people have got more will to argue.

0:38:00.680 --> 0:38:02.279
<v Speaker 2>To be honest, that's take one more call and that

0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:04.399
<v Speaker 2>will be Jim who's on the phone from Newcastle. Jim morning,

0:38:04.440 --> 0:38:07.040
<v Speaker 2>you're on with Luke Boner work.

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<v Speaker 13>Could hear you?

0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:09.239
<v Speaker 6>Great? Good morning.

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:13.800
<v Speaker 13>But I'm just going to in regard to this teacher

0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:17.600
<v Speaker 13>I recalled back when I was ill with the same

0:38:17.719 --> 0:38:19.800
<v Speaker 13>hum may not drop a year eleven and never pursued

0:38:19.800 --> 0:38:23.920
<v Speaker 13>a higher education. But I have a brother who had

0:38:23.920 --> 0:38:28.360
<v Speaker 13>a quite good relatedship with one of his agriculture teachers,

0:38:28.800 --> 0:38:31.600
<v Speaker 13>or recall actually going to his agriculture teacher's house, but

0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:36.439
<v Speaker 13>barbes his with what appearance, and that wouldn't have such

0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:38.759
<v Speaker 13>a confound effect with my brother, he actually would ont

0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:42.400
<v Speaker 13>to pursue a career as a teacher, and he's still

0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:45.960
<v Speaker 13>teaching some thirty years later. For desay, I think that

0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:50.320
<v Speaker 13>there's someone he could could be attended by. A students

0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:53.520
<v Speaker 13>showing glative towards the teacher was a little bit word.

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<v Speaker 6>I think the world's gone mad, and is that parent

0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:01.560
<v Speaker 6>feels as though they have nothing important to complain about.

0:39:01.760 --> 0:39:03.200
<v Speaker 6>Now what they need to do? They need to go

0:39:03.239 --> 0:39:05.840
<v Speaker 6>down the Westmeat Children's Hospital and look at the pale,

0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:09.000
<v Speaker 6>sad faces of the parents in the waiting room. They're

0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:11.600
<v Speaker 6>visiting their children with something real to worry about.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it perspective, Luke. Always good to talk to you,

0:39:13.800 --> 0:39:14.560
<v Speaker 2>my friend. Give it a.

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<v Speaker 6>Plug, go on, Okay, it's the podcast is bona Fide

0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:22.799
<v Speaker 6>with Luke bonap Luke Boner radio guy at gmail dot com.

0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:25.520
<v Speaker 6>And I'll be filling in for Clinton for a couple

0:39:25.560 --> 0:39:27.520
<v Speaker 6>of weeks when he takes the world deserve break from

0:39:27.600 --> 0:39:28.200
<v Speaker 6>July seven.

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<v Speaker 2>You might want to give Ruth a shout out too,

0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:32.279
<v Speaker 2>because she's very excited about that sent through a text

0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:33.799
<v Speaker 2>and she can't wait to hear you too, my friend.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh how inappropriate.

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<v Speaker 2>And listen. I promise next time you ring me, I

0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:42.799
<v Speaker 2>promise I'll answer your phone, even if I'm in my pajamas.

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<v Speaker 6>Eca, No, no, no, don't. Don't you need all the

0:39:45.239 --> 0:39:47.120
<v Speaker 6>sleep you can get up, but look in the mirror

0:39:47.239 --> 0:39:50.120
<v Speaker 6>you need more sleep. Thank you, Phil, love your.

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<v Speaker 2>Longtime, big time too, my friend, Luke Bonadet. It's coming

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<v Speaker 2>up to four minutes the five blar. Of course, I've

0:39:54.800 --> 0:39:56.680
<v Speaker 2>been Fordham here at five point thirty and Peter Vegan

0:39:56.719 --> 0:39:59.400
<v Speaker 2>in Brisbane on four BC. I saw all the texts

0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:01.200
<v Speaker 2>you sent through. I'm sorry I didn't get a chance

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<v Speaker 2>to acknowledge them all, but I really appreciate them, and

0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:05.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure Luke does as well. All right, let's get

0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:06.440
<v Speaker 2>to the news update then I'll have a look at

0:40:06.480 --> 0:40:09.880
<v Speaker 2>your open night news.

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<v Speaker 14>This is this is away ONTOGB, four BC and network stations.

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<v Speaker 3>This is wake up Ostrod. Yeah with fill O'Neil.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you Clark, Thursday, June twenty sixth Funnily enough,

0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:39.080
<v Speaker 2>you're starting a brand new day as my day is

0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:41.520
<v Speaker 2>coming to an end. You can never get your head

0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:44.279
<v Speaker 2>around that work in these crazy open hour over night hours,

0:40:44.320 --> 0:40:46.720
<v Speaker 2>and if you're a shift worker you can completely agree

0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:50.360
<v Speaker 2>with that. You know the day, our Friday is about

0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:53.400
<v Speaker 2>really ready to start as your Thursday starts. Thanks for

0:40:53.480 --> 0:40:55.960
<v Speaker 2>all the texts that came through for Loup Boner as well.

0:40:56.040 --> 0:40:58.239
<v Speaker 2>There are loads and loads about the topic he was

0:40:58.280 --> 0:41:01.000
<v Speaker 2>talking about this morning. Luke, as he mentioned, will be

0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:06.399
<v Speaker 2>filling in for Clinton Maynard coming up very soon. But yes,

0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:07.759
<v Speaker 2>so thank you so much for all of the texts

0:41:07.760 --> 0:41:09.600
<v Speaker 2>that came through, and I will make sure that I'm

0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:12.759
<v Speaker 2>pass those onto him as well. Ben Fordham here at

0:41:12.800 --> 0:41:15.160
<v Speaker 2>five point thirty this morning on two GB Peter Vegan

0:41:15.239 --> 0:41:18.160
<v Speaker 2>on four BC, Mike Levy on two GB Coming up

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<v Speaker 2>after nine in just a moment, we're going to talk

0:41:20.360 --> 0:41:23.800
<v Speaker 2>about whether or not Iran actually has the capability to

0:41:23.920 --> 0:41:26.040
<v Speaker 2>do cyber attacks. But in the meantime, here's some of

0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:28.840
<v Speaker 2>your overnight news that's been happening while you've been asleep.

0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:32.920
<v Speaker 2>NATO leaders overnight back to big increase in defense spending

0:41:33.000 --> 0:41:37.279
<v Speaker 2>that US President Donald Trump had demanded and restated their

0:41:37.320 --> 0:41:40.560
<v Speaker 2>commitment to defend each other from attack after that brief

0:41:40.719 --> 0:41:43.759
<v Speaker 2>summit that happened in the Netherlands, and also Donald Trump

0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:46.920
<v Speaker 2>while he was there, he's certainly the flavor of the

0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:50.680
<v Speaker 2>month when it comes to everybody trying to curry favor

0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:53.880
<v Speaker 2>with him, including all of the heads of NATO. How

0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:56.920
<v Speaker 2>did he go though? When it came to questions from reporters.

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<v Speaker 15>It once said that you would end the up war

0:42:00.480 --> 0:42:03.879
<v Speaker 15>in twenty four hours. You later said you said that sarcastically.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course it was sarcastic.

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<v Speaker 15>But you've now been in office for five months and

0:42:08.040 --> 0:42:11.160
<v Speaker 15>five days. Why have you not been able to end

0:42:11.360 --> 0:42:12.120
<v Speaker 15>the Ukraine War?

0:42:12.440 --> 0:42:16.600
<v Speaker 16>Because it's more difficult than people would have any idea.

0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:21.080
<v Speaker 16>Vladimir Putin has been more difficult. Frankly, I had some

0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:24.080
<v Speaker 16>problems with Zelinski. You may have read about him, and

0:42:24.280 --> 0:42:26.000
<v Speaker 16>it's been more difficult.

0:42:25.600 --> 0:42:26.280
<v Speaker 4>Than other wars.

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<v Speaker 17>I mean, look, we just ended a war in twelve

0:42:28.239 --> 0:42:30.600
<v Speaker 17>days that was simmering for thirty years.

0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:35.440
<v Speaker 2>Frankly, so they Donald Trump at NATO in the Hague. However,

0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:39.400
<v Speaker 2>he's not very happy with people questioning the US intelligence

0:42:39.920 --> 0:42:46.840
<v Speaker 2>about the strikes that were on the Iranian nuclear sides.

0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:49.840
<v Speaker 2>CNN and The New York Post especially said that it

0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:52.640
<v Speaker 2>didn't really eventuate and that it didn't turn into anything,

0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:55.360
<v Speaker 2>and that the Iranian still managed to get away with

0:42:55.480 --> 0:42:58.919
<v Speaker 2>something like four hundred kilograms of uranium. As I said

0:42:58.960 --> 0:43:02.120
<v Speaker 2>before the News, I mean, how would you know? And

0:43:02.239 --> 0:43:05.239
<v Speaker 2>it's unfair forth CNN and also for the New York

0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:08.719
<v Speaker 2>Post to start claiming that it wasn't successful when all

0:43:08.800 --> 0:43:11.319
<v Speaker 2>you're seeing is the surface. You know, what they really

0:43:11.400 --> 0:43:13.200
<v Speaker 2>need to do is they need to stick cameras under

0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:15.440
<v Speaker 2>there and then you can get some kind of certainty

0:43:15.520 --> 0:43:17.440
<v Speaker 2>as to whether or not it did have the impact

0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:22.000
<v Speaker 2>that Donald Trump. Trump said it actually did have. And

0:43:22.080 --> 0:43:25.120
<v Speaker 2>also Donald Trump compared the impact of those American strikes

0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:28.279
<v Speaker 2>on the Iranian nuclear sites to the end of World

0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:31.320
<v Speaker 2>War two, which was a little bit controversial for a

0:43:31.320 --> 0:43:32.200
<v Speaker 2>lot of people that heard it.

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<v Speaker 4>They're not going to be fighting each other.

0:43:33.960 --> 0:43:34.480
<v Speaker 3>They've had it.

0:43:35.440 --> 0:43:37.279
<v Speaker 17>They've had a big fight, like two kids at a

0:43:37.320 --> 0:43:39.640
<v Speaker 17>school yard. You know, they fight like hell, you can't

0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:42.000
<v Speaker 17>stop them. Let them fight for about two three minutes.

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<v Speaker 17>Then it's easier to stop them.

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<v Speaker 4>And then sometimes strong language s strong.

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<v Speaker 17>Everyone's saying you have to use a certain word. I

0:43:50.080 --> 0:43:53.359
<v Speaker 17>don't want to use an example of Hiroshima. I don't

0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:56.440
<v Speaker 17>want to use an example of Nagasaki. But that was

0:43:56.840 --> 0:43:59.160
<v Speaker 17>essentially the same thing that ended that war.

0:43:59.320 --> 0:44:02.760
<v Speaker 2>This ended that with the warf So Donald Trump's controversial

0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:05.880
<v Speaker 2>comments there washed over by the fact that he was

0:44:05.920 --> 0:44:10.160
<v Speaker 2>addressed as daddy. China and Taiwan have clashed over their

0:44:10.200 --> 0:44:14.759
<v Speaker 2>competing interpretations of history and then escalating war words over

0:44:14.840 --> 0:44:19.680
<v Speaker 2>what Beijing views is provocations from the Taiwan government and

0:44:19.800 --> 0:44:24.200
<v Speaker 2>said it's impossible to invade what as already Chinese land.

0:44:24.760 --> 0:44:26.440
<v Speaker 2>And one more thing for you too, which you may

0:44:26.520 --> 0:44:29.040
<v Speaker 2>find interesting, especially if you've got a wedding coming up.

0:44:29.160 --> 0:44:31.400
<v Speaker 2>How much money, how much coin is it costing you?

0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:34.240
<v Speaker 2>And if you're the father of the bride, you're probably

0:44:34.320 --> 0:44:38.120
<v Speaker 2>going don't even ask Phil, you don't want to know. Well,

0:44:38.200 --> 0:44:41.080
<v Speaker 2>how about you compare it to this the Amazon founder

0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Jeff Bezos, who's getting married in Venice with his journalist bride,

0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Lauren Sanchez. They've invited scores of people VIPs from around

0:44:49.960 --> 0:44:53.520
<v Speaker 2>the world, film finance, show business types to Venice for

0:44:53.760 --> 0:44:56.960
<v Speaker 2>what's being called the wedding of the century. There are

0:44:57.000 --> 0:45:00.640
<v Speaker 2>people in Venice who aren't happy about this happening at all. Gee,

0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:03.400
<v Speaker 2>I wonder who's going to turn up to this. I

0:45:03.560 --> 0:45:08.680
<v Speaker 2>wonder if Leonardo DiCaprio, perhaps anybody from Australia. Gee, wouldn't

0:45:08.680 --> 0:45:10.200
<v Speaker 2>that be my bet Albo would love to go if

0:45:10.200 --> 0:45:12.680
<v Speaker 2>he could get the damn invite. Anyway, here is how

0:45:12.800 --> 0:45:15.560
<v Speaker 2>much it's going to cost, And thank goodness, you are

0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:18.920
<v Speaker 2>not the father of the bride in this case, Lauren Sanchez.

0:45:19.280 --> 0:45:23.720
<v Speaker 2>It's going to cost somewhere between forty eight and fifty

0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:28.120
<v Speaker 2>million euros, which in our language is something like fifty

0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:33.440
<v Speaker 2>five to sixty million dollars. Again, if your daughter's getting

0:45:33.520 --> 0:45:37.120
<v Speaker 2>married this weekend, thank goodness it's not the Jeff Bezos,

0:45:37.280 --> 0:45:39.959
<v Speaker 2>ah right, thirteen minutes past five, quarter past five, change

0:45:40.000 --> 0:45:42.240
<v Speaker 2>has said on the text. They feel that Jeff bezos

0:45:42.400 --> 0:45:45.960
<v Speaker 2>fifty million euro actually is equivalent to on the current

0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:50.839
<v Speaker 2>exchange rates, ninety million Australian dollars. Wow, well, it's good

0:45:50.840 --> 0:45:53.560
<v Speaker 2>if you've got the cash quarter Pats five ben Fordham

0:45:53.600 --> 0:45:55.840
<v Speaker 2>on two GB at five point thirty. Peter Vegan on

0:45:55.960 --> 0:45:58.880
<v Speaker 2>four BC. I read this report in the Wall Street

0:45:58.960 --> 0:46:02.720
<v Speaker 2>Journal saying that US officials and private experts are warned

0:46:02.800 --> 0:46:07.200
<v Speaker 2>about being warned about the possible cyber attacks as a

0:46:07.280 --> 0:46:10.080
<v Speaker 2>reciprocation from Iran. So I thought i'd run this by

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<v Speaker 2>futurist Skeeve Stevens, who's on the phone. Good morning to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Iran's capability Is it any good or is it we

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<v Speaker 2>compared to the others.

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<v Speaker 18>When we talk about significant, we're talking about significant as

0:46:22.440 --> 0:46:23.680
<v Speaker 18>they are a nation state.

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<v Speaker 4>What that means is do they have a lot of capabilities?

0:46:26.600 --> 0:46:28.759
<v Speaker 4>Do they have a limited money to do this sort

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<v Speaker 4>of things?

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<v Speaker 18>Yes, they do, But when it comes down to things

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<v Speaker 18>like versus Israel or the United States, they're in a kindergarten.

0:46:38.000 --> 0:46:38.600
<v Speaker 3>Level, right.

0:46:38.800 --> 0:46:43.160
<v Speaker 18>Iran essentially causes chaos, not damage, So what they can

0:46:43.200 --> 0:46:46.399
<v Speaker 18>do is a right around, and they're mostly using things

0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:51.600
<v Speaker 18>like social media fake person personalities try to mess things up,

0:46:51.680 --> 0:46:52.360
<v Speaker 18>muddel things up.

0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:56.959
<v Speaker 4>So the example of throwing from the shadows, meaning they.

0:46:56.880 --> 0:47:01.360
<v Speaker 18>Could just cause mess, but they don't really cause damage

0:47:01.480 --> 0:47:02.680
<v Speaker 18>and significant damage.

0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:04.640
<v Speaker 4>But they can cause a bit of problems.

0:47:04.520 --> 0:47:06.759
<v Speaker 2>Because I'm led to believe that they have been doing

0:47:06.880 --> 0:47:08.799
<v Speaker 2>cyber attacks for a while, so they.

0:47:08.840 --> 0:47:11.600
<v Speaker 4>Just like to cause chaos and a sort of thing.

0:47:11.680 --> 0:47:13.879
<v Speaker 18>So they're like they've done things in the past where

0:47:13.880 --> 0:47:16.520
<v Speaker 18>they've hacked some of the water supply in Israel.

0:47:16.640 --> 0:47:19.799
<v Speaker 4>But you know, every time sudden happens in Israel, they

0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:21.600
<v Speaker 4>get even better and better and better at it.

0:47:21.640 --> 0:47:26.160
<v Speaker 18>I mean, Israel's potentially I would classify as number.

0:47:26.000 --> 0:47:29.040
<v Speaker 4>One in the planet in cyber warfare capabilities.

0:47:29.440 --> 0:47:33.080
<v Speaker 18>So most of the time Israel, sorry to Israel, Iran

0:47:33.640 --> 0:47:35.000
<v Speaker 18>likes to use their proxies.

0:47:35.239 --> 0:47:37.239
<v Speaker 4>So that's even with hacking groups and things like that.

0:47:37.719 --> 0:47:42.000
<v Speaker 19>So Hezblah has their little cyber activist units and so

0:47:42.160 --> 0:47:45.160
<v Speaker 19>they're mostly their proxies or people that believe in their

0:47:46.000 --> 0:47:50.080
<v Speaker 19>sort of I guess their philosophy, like to do little attacks.

0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:52.320
<v Speaker 4>Here and there where I mean, in the previously.

0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:55.880
<v Speaker 18>They've time that banks where they've like caused malware problems.

0:47:55.960 --> 0:47:59.360
<v Speaker 18>They like to deface websites and do simple denial of

0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:00.000
<v Speaker 18>service attack.

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<v Speaker 4>It's basically chaos. This is the way I refer to

0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:04.080
<v Speaker 4>it as it's like.

0:48:04.160 --> 0:48:06.799
<v Speaker 18>Messing things up as opposed to taking things like United

0:48:06.840 --> 0:48:10.320
<v Speaker 18>States and Israel and even to a certain degree in Australia.

0:48:10.760 --> 0:48:14.280
<v Speaker 18>If we attack someone's infrastructure, they're literally off the internet.

0:48:14.320 --> 0:48:16.879
<v Speaker 4>They're going to be destroyed for a significant period of time.

0:48:17.120 --> 0:48:19.360
<v Speaker 2>So it's less strategic and more problematic.

0:48:19.440 --> 0:48:20.839
<v Speaker 4>Then yeah, that's what I would say.

0:48:20.880 --> 0:48:23.880
<v Speaker 18>It's less strategic, and I mean they're more opportunistic as

0:48:23.920 --> 0:48:27.680
<v Speaker 18>opposed to strategic, meaning if they can break into some

0:48:27.880 --> 0:48:32.520
<v Speaker 18>supermarket websites or cause chaos and maybe take down with

0:48:32.640 --> 0:48:35.120
<v Speaker 18>a denial of service attack like either a bank or

0:48:35.480 --> 0:48:37.800
<v Speaker 18>some political websites during an election.

0:48:38.400 --> 0:48:39.839
<v Speaker 4>That's the sort of things I like to do. It's

0:48:39.880 --> 0:48:41.799
<v Speaker 4>just like think of.

0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:45.360
<v Speaker 18>Them as you know, those protesters that a just running around.

0:48:45.160 --> 0:48:47.760
<v Speaker 4>The streets breaking things. That's the way that I runs.

0:48:48.560 --> 0:48:52.680
<v Speaker 18>I run works from a cyber perspective, but it does

0:48:52.880 --> 0:48:54.360
<v Speaker 18>cause annoyance to.

0:48:54.400 --> 0:48:55.080
<v Speaker 4>A certain degree.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so they're not in the same league as Russia, say, China,

0:48:58.120 --> 0:48:59.880
<v Speaker 2>or North Korea in places like that, then.

0:49:00.200 --> 0:49:03.160
<v Speaker 18>Yeah, I mean North Carea is quite limited, but Russia

0:49:03.239 --> 0:49:05.600
<v Speaker 18>and China they do have significant resources.

0:49:06.000 --> 0:49:08.600
<v Speaker 4>If places like that are going to a take you.

0:49:08.719 --> 0:49:11.479
<v Speaker 18>Let's say they were going to attack Australia, they would

0:49:11.480 --> 0:49:15.360
<v Speaker 18>be going after electricity supplies, gas supplies, water supplies.

0:49:15.640 --> 0:49:16.239
<v Speaker 4>Those sort of things.

0:49:16.280 --> 0:49:20.080
<v Speaker 18>So I've always said for many years now, the next

0:49:20.200 --> 0:49:23.640
<v Speaker 18>war will not be with soldiers on the front line.

0:49:23.960 --> 0:49:26.879
<v Speaker 18>It'll be you and me sitting in our homes when

0:49:26.920 --> 0:49:29.600
<v Speaker 18>the power goes out or the gas goes out. I remember,

0:49:29.680 --> 0:49:32.160
<v Speaker 18>many years ago, many many years agoes on with Union Melbourne,

0:49:32.280 --> 0:49:36.520
<v Speaker 18>the gas supply infrastructure in Victoria went out and we

0:49:36.920 --> 0:49:40.040
<v Speaker 18>literally had to have like cold showers.

0:49:39.680 --> 0:49:42.120
<v Speaker 4>For about two weeks as they repaired it. So that's

0:49:42.160 --> 0:49:45.040
<v Speaker 4>the sort of thing that they could take out now.

0:49:45.680 --> 0:49:48.080
<v Speaker 18>It's also one of the things people don't understand is

0:49:48.360 --> 0:49:53.400
<v Speaker 18>while there are lots of remote attacks, attributing blame is

0:49:53.480 --> 0:49:57.960
<v Speaker 18>quite difficult because very rarely will a remote state such

0:49:58.000 --> 0:50:01.680
<v Speaker 18>as Iran, Russia, China attack from their own country. It's

0:50:01.760 --> 0:50:04.400
<v Speaker 18>very easy for us to actually block traffic from those countries.

0:50:04.880 --> 0:50:07.320
<v Speaker 18>But what they do is they hack something in Germany

0:50:07.760 --> 0:50:11.000
<v Speaker 18>that Germany server, will hack something in Singapore that Singapore

0:50:11.040 --> 0:50:13.080
<v Speaker 18>Service has something in Australia, right, so the.

0:50:13.120 --> 0:50:15.280
<v Speaker 4>Hack will actually look like it comes from Australia itself.

0:50:15.600 --> 0:50:18.520
<v Speaker 18>So trying to say, oh, we're blocking all traffic from

0:50:19.120 --> 0:50:21.640
<v Speaker 18>XYZ country's when.

0:50:21.480 --> 0:50:23.600
<v Speaker 4>Everyone says that, I just kind of blove and go yeah.

0:50:23.680 --> 0:50:27.320
<v Speaker 18>Really, the Internet is designed not to ever be affected,

0:50:27.719 --> 0:50:29.600
<v Speaker 18>and you cannot take the Internet down.

0:50:29.840 --> 0:50:33.280
<v Speaker 2>I was in Queensland in the eighties when Sea queb

0:50:33.440 --> 0:50:37.360
<v Speaker 2>the Southeast Queensland Electricity Board. We're having issues with the

0:50:37.640 --> 0:50:40.960
<v Speaker 2>job occupedis and government and they intermittently cut off the

0:50:41.080 --> 0:50:43.480
<v Speaker 2>power and people were just going nuts. And I did

0:50:43.600 --> 0:50:47.040
<v Speaker 2>read that after seventy two hours, that's when people really

0:50:47.080 --> 0:50:49.279
<v Speaker 2>start to lose their mind if they haven't got electricity

0:50:49.320 --> 0:50:49.920
<v Speaker 2>and they haven't.

0:50:49.760 --> 0:50:50.319
<v Speaker 4>Got hot water.

0:50:50.480 --> 0:50:53.680
<v Speaker 2>Like you said, so something even for that minimal amount

0:50:53.760 --> 0:50:55.960
<v Speaker 2>of time does cause a huge amount of disruption.

0:50:56.239 --> 0:51:00.000
<v Speaker 4>It absolutely does. We have. It's a weird psychological effect.

0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:01.560
<v Speaker 18>If you're sitting in your house, like I'm sitting here

0:51:01.640 --> 0:51:03.880
<v Speaker 18>right now, if my power goes out, I.

0:51:03.960 --> 0:51:04.960
<v Speaker 6>Go, what the hell?

0:51:05.160 --> 0:51:05.800
<v Speaker 4>What's going on?

0:51:06.160 --> 0:51:08.160
<v Speaker 18>And then if I walk outside though, and I see

0:51:08.200 --> 0:51:11.799
<v Speaker 18>the entire streets out, I go, okay, shared suffering, Yeah, yeah, right,

0:51:12.280 --> 0:51:12.640
<v Speaker 18>that's right.

0:51:12.800 --> 0:51:13.799
<v Speaker 4>We sort of chill out a bit.

0:51:14.000 --> 0:51:18.000
<v Speaker 18>But after a period with electricity, especially when you lose

0:51:18.200 --> 0:51:21.920
<v Speaker 18>start to lose monetary value, like all the items in

0:51:21.960 --> 0:51:25.040
<v Speaker 18>your freezer and things like that, that's when people start

0:51:25.080 --> 0:51:25.640
<v Speaker 18>to get upset.

0:51:26.080 --> 0:51:28.360
<v Speaker 4>But the thing that affects us the most is the

0:51:28.440 --> 0:51:29.560
<v Speaker 4>things that we never think about.

0:51:29.640 --> 0:51:32.440
<v Speaker 18>You don't sit here turning your tap on, going oh,

0:51:32.560 --> 0:51:34.840
<v Speaker 18>look at that, My TAP's awesome. I look at my

0:51:34.920 --> 0:51:38.680
<v Speaker 18>phone until you don't have this exactly, until these things

0:51:38.719 --> 0:51:42.160
<v Speaker 18>that are just air to us, that we just breed daily,

0:51:42.280 --> 0:51:43.719
<v Speaker 18>until they get to take it away from us, we

0:51:43.760 --> 0:51:46.160
<v Speaker 18>don't realize. But this is how we are going to

0:51:46.200 --> 0:51:50.719
<v Speaker 18>be on the front line. But also all of the countries,

0:51:50.960 --> 0:51:53.680
<v Speaker 18>and I'm sure Australia to we have operatives in all

0:51:53.719 --> 0:51:55.640
<v Speaker 18>these other countries. This is they all have operators here,

0:51:55.719 --> 0:51:58.960
<v Speaker 18>so they don't necessarily just have to attack remotely ciberly

0:51:59.080 --> 0:52:00.600
<v Speaker 18>from far far away.

0:52:00.920 --> 0:52:02.200
<v Speaker 4>They can do things here too.

0:52:02.760 --> 0:52:05.040
<v Speaker 2>I did see that the Wall Street Journal ran a

0:52:05.120 --> 0:52:08.840
<v Speaker 2>story about how regulators and governments were issuing warnings to

0:52:09.040 --> 0:52:12.200
<v Speaker 2>businesses to check their defenses. Are the usual defenses we've

0:52:12.239 --> 0:52:14.200
<v Speaker 2>got in place? Okay? Is there anything else that we

0:52:14.320 --> 0:52:16.719
<v Speaker 2>need to do in terms of what security we've got.

0:52:17.239 --> 0:52:19.160
<v Speaker 18>I'm sorry to say this, shore, but we are probably

0:52:19.200 --> 0:52:22.279
<v Speaker 18>have one percent of what we need. Most people try

0:52:22.360 --> 0:52:24.759
<v Speaker 18>to do things themselves. It's like having backups. When was

0:52:24.760 --> 0:52:27.400
<v Speaker 18>the last time you even heard about people backing up servers?

0:52:27.560 --> 0:52:27.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:52:27.880 --> 0:52:30.759
<v Speaker 4>Right? And like people just to go relate, just to

0:52:30.840 --> 0:52:31.880
<v Speaker 4>rely on the cloud.

0:52:31.960 --> 0:52:34.560
<v Speaker 18>They relying on whatever product they buy, and they also

0:52:34.719 --> 0:52:38.680
<v Speaker 18>rely on whatever it's it integrator is telling them.

0:52:39.040 --> 0:52:42.800
<v Speaker 4>Are we vulnerable? Absolutely. We don't change the passwords of

0:52:42.840 --> 0:52:43.520
<v Speaker 4>our routers.

0:52:44.160 --> 0:52:48.080
<v Speaker 18>Like I did a talk the other day about accessing

0:52:48.160 --> 0:52:52.000
<v Speaker 18>web cameras and the problem is it is so easy,

0:52:52.080 --> 0:52:55.080
<v Speaker 18>and people just keep the same factory default settings where

0:52:55.200 --> 0:52:58.080
<v Speaker 18>you can look into people's cameras, into their bedrooms, their bathrooms,

0:52:58.160 --> 0:53:00.839
<v Speaker 18>their offices, and you can see what's going on. Because

0:53:00.840 --> 0:53:05.360
<v Speaker 18>people don't bother, they just assume that technology is safe.

0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:08.359
<v Speaker 4>Now with everything from a few years ago is very

0:53:08.440 --> 0:53:08.960
<v Speaker 4>different now.

0:53:09.080 --> 0:53:11.080
<v Speaker 18>If you go to Bunning's website and look for the

0:53:11.719 --> 0:53:16.680
<v Speaker 18>term grid connect, you will see fans, heaters, light switches, power.

0:53:16.840 --> 0:53:20.520
<v Speaker 4>Everything is smart now. Everything has an IP address.

0:53:21.239 --> 0:53:23.680
<v Speaker 18>And I think it was last year that I was

0:53:23.760 --> 0:53:26.360
<v Speaker 18>messing with my neighbor because he would have bought a

0:53:26.440 --> 0:53:26.840
<v Speaker 18>fan and.

0:53:26.880 --> 0:53:29.239
<v Speaker 4>He didn't realize I was a smart fan and I

0:53:29.400 --> 0:53:30.759
<v Speaker 4>was working on my network at the time, and I

0:53:30.800 --> 0:53:31.720
<v Speaker 4>didn't do it. It's on purpose.

0:53:31.760 --> 0:53:33.480
<v Speaker 18>I went, oh, I don't know what's going on here.

0:53:33.480 --> 0:53:35.960
<v Speaker 18>There's a fan added itself to my network. So I

0:53:36.160 --> 0:53:38.040
<v Speaker 18>was turning his van on and off at three o'clock

0:53:38.080 --> 0:53:41.440
<v Speaker 18>in the morning, and he didn't even realize I was

0:53:41.480 --> 0:53:43.960
<v Speaker 18>a smart fan and didn't know what was happening. Now,

0:53:44.040 --> 0:53:45.879
<v Speaker 18>imagine if that was like one of those little twenty

0:53:45.880 --> 0:53:48.279
<v Speaker 18>dollars powerpoints with an IP address in it, and I'm

0:53:48.320 --> 0:53:51.480
<v Speaker 18>turning on and off something that's actually quite critical. Wow,

0:53:51.800 --> 0:53:54.280
<v Speaker 18>everything is smart. Now, everything is smart.

0:53:54.719 --> 0:53:57.480
<v Speaker 2>I wonder what people would be more annoyed at losing

0:53:57.920 --> 0:53:59.720
<v Speaker 2>a hot shower or the Internet.

0:54:00.080 --> 0:54:02.200
<v Speaker 18>I mean, this is the Internet these days are kind

0:54:02.200 --> 0:54:04.520
<v Speaker 18>of ubiquitous. I mean, I sit here, I'm using starlink,

0:54:04.760 --> 0:54:07.279
<v Speaker 18>so you can't cut my cables. But then most people

0:54:07.320 --> 0:54:09.920
<v Speaker 18>are on five five G and mobile phones. So to

0:54:10.040 --> 0:54:12.400
<v Speaker 18>take out most people's Internet today, you'd actually have to

0:54:12.440 --> 0:54:13.840
<v Speaker 18>take out the cellular their works.

0:54:14.640 --> 0:54:17.080
<v Speaker 4>So it's quite hard these days to do a lot

0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:17.239
<v Speaker 4>of that.

0:54:17.400 --> 0:54:22.480
<v Speaker 18>And the Internet's designed specifically to within built innate failover.

0:54:22.800 --> 0:54:24.319
<v Speaker 18>Now this is the sad thing is your house might

0:54:24.360 --> 0:54:25.719
<v Speaker 18>not work, your fridge might not work.

0:54:26.040 --> 0:54:28.800
<v Speaker 4>You can't do anything, but you can still post on TikTok.

0:54:28.920 --> 0:54:31.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, maybe I should have rephrased the question, what do

0:54:31.400 --> 0:54:34.360
<v Speaker 2>you think people would be more afraid to lose Facebook

0:54:34.440 --> 0:54:35.239
<v Speaker 2>or toilet paper?

0:54:36.000 --> 0:54:38.640
<v Speaker 4>Facebook probably made.

0:54:38.520 --> 0:54:40.239
<v Speaker 2>Always good to do it you, thank you so much,

0:54:41.120 --> 0:54:44.080
<v Speaker 2>No problem. Bill Keith Stevens there, the futurist, and he

0:54:44.200 --> 0:54:45.759
<v Speaker 2>makes a good point there too. You know, it's when

0:54:45.760 --> 0:54:48.320
<v Speaker 2>it starts interrupting with things that we take for granted,

0:54:48.400 --> 0:54:50.239
<v Speaker 2>like turning under tap, then all of a sudden, you

0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:54.080
<v Speaker 2>know it's it's a really big issue. Perhaps I could

0:54:54.200 --> 0:54:57.200
<v Speaker 2>liken it to this losing the remote control, remember that

0:54:57.400 --> 0:54:59.640
<v Speaker 2>back in the day when you probably not so much now,

0:54:59.760 --> 0:55:03.239
<v Speaker 2>but certainly back in the day when you lost your

0:55:03.280 --> 0:55:06.160
<v Speaker 2>remote control. Well, nothing in the world could be as

0:55:06.200 --> 0:55:09.040
<v Speaker 2>bad as that, except perhaps now in this day and age,

0:55:09.320 --> 0:55:11.520
<v Speaker 2>not being able to find your mobile phone twenty five

0:55:11.560 --> 0:55:13.920
<v Speaker 2>minutes plus five thanks to the people ringing through. But

0:55:14.040 --> 0:55:16.359
<v Speaker 2>I can't take your call because I got to go home,

0:55:16.360 --> 0:55:18.920
<v Speaker 2>because it's getting to that time, five twenty nine, getting

0:55:18.960 --> 0:55:22.320
<v Speaker 2>ready for ben Fordham coming up on two GB just

0:55:22.400 --> 0:55:24.640
<v Speaker 2>a moment, and I'll find out exactly how cold it is,

0:55:24.680 --> 0:55:26.879
<v Speaker 2>because it looks like it's around zero at least feels

0:55:26.960 --> 0:55:29.279
<v Speaker 2>like zero. And Sydney, well, I'll find out if it

0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:32.960
<v Speaker 2>is that cold. If Ben's actually wearing long sleeves and pants,

0:55:33.080 --> 0:55:35.680
<v Speaker 2>then you know it must be really arctic outside, followed

0:55:35.680 --> 0:55:37.920
<v Speaker 2>by Mark Levy, who's having a great time spinning that

0:55:38.000 --> 0:55:40.120
<v Speaker 2>wheel too. He'll be joining you after nine and in

0:55:40.480 --> 0:55:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Brisbane for BC, it's Peter Vegan on the four BC

0:55:43.760 --> 0:55:46.759
<v Speaker 2>Breakfast Show. Hey, it's been a really long show, but

0:55:46.840 --> 0:55:48.440
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of stuff we didn't get to, so

0:55:48.640 --> 0:55:50.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to get to that tonight. Hopefully you can

0:55:50.960 --> 0:55:53.759
<v Speaker 2>join us after midnight. Back here in the meantime, having

0:55:53.760 --> 0:55:55.000
<v Speaker 2>yourself a fantastic day,