WEBVTT - Afternoons with Michael McLaren - Thursday, 5th June 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:07.280 On two GB at network stations. This is Afternoons with 0:00:07.360 --> 0:00:08.280 Michael McLaren. 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:11.879 All right, here we go ten past twelve. Thank you 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:14.240 for being with us. It is Thursday afternoon, June five. 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:17.000 It's beautiful outside, except it's very cold. So if you 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:20.480 like g who's turned up here to panel today in shorts, 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:24.880 maybe reconsider. I think some long pans and strides wouldn't 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:27.000 be a bad idea. A little bit of a jumper 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:29.560 or a jacket. My so he's a tough guy. I'm 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:32.680 just I'm a weakling. So I feel the cold, but 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:34.559 I think a few people are today. But KENNI give 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:37.000 you text messages from here. It's cold. Yeah. It is 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:39.520 one three one eight seven three the open line number. 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:41.080 Of course, you can set us a text at any 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:43.960 point zero four six zero eight seven three eight seven three, 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:47.240 and there is the email two GB dot com. Click 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:50.920 on the feedback icon. After one o'clock, I'm going to 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:54.960 have a very important conversation with Professor k Cook. Kay 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:58.440 is the Associate Dean of Research at Swinburne University. They've 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:02.320 been looking at the issue of child and family support. Now. 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:06.640 I appreciate this as a particularly difficult subject for many 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:09.480 people to discuss, but perhaps you would like to share 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:12.800 some of your opinions on this later today when we 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:16.039 speak to the professor. The catalyst is that more than 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:20.839 one point two million separated parents have child support arrangements, 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:25.800 about one million children the recipient eighty four percent of 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:29.600 parents receiving the payments of women. But according to a 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:33.480 new report from the Commonwealth Onwardsman, thirty two percent of 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:37.679 complaints about child's support or the scheme claim that it's 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:43.080 been weaponized by ex partners. Now, I've had a number 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:46.000 of people speak to me over the years, knowing what 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:47.960 I do, and say, listen, at some point you raise 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:50.680 this issue and look, to be honest, a lot of 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:53.320 them seem to be fathers, saying, you know, I'm being 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:55.120 told I've got to pay this sort of support, but 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:59.240 I'm denied access to my child. And look, it's a 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:02.920 world I know very little about, thankfully, because I grew 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:08.000 up in a stable, loving family home environment and that's 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:11.600 the environment we've got at home with our daughter. So 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:15.040 touch would thank god this hasn't been something that I've 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:17.760 had to intersect with at a personal level, but I 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:19.679 would know people that have. When you look at the 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:24.000 numbers one point two million separated parents, one million children. 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:26.600 Chances are we all know at least one person or 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:28.960 a few people for whom this is the arrangement, and 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:31.320 for many it works fine. You know that love has 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:33.679 broken down and the husband and the wife have gone 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:36.359 their separate ways, and one earns more than the other 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:39.120 or whatever it is, and so there is an arrangement 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:43.440 made that through the separation there is some continuity of 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:47.200 financial arrangement, and one partner gives money over to the 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:50.399 other or vice versa for the betterment of the child. Now, 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:53.080 you know, people, normal people say, well, look how that 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:55.639 makes sense. That makes sense. You know, we've fallen out 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:57.880 of love as a married couple, but we equally love 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:02.440 the child, and raising children's in expensive business. And so okay, 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:05.440 we appreciate that we no longer live under the same roof, 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:08.359 but we have a commonality there, a common interest financially 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:10.760 with the child, and we'll make this work. But clearly, 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:14.160 in a lot of circumstances it doesn't work, and clearly 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:18.119 in some circumstances it is being weaponized by ex partners. 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.520 So I want to speak to Professor ka Cook and 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:23.720 the team there at Swimburn have been looking at all 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:26.720 of this. Some of the numbers will surprise you later 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.959 on Anna Cordai Entertainment Experts. She's here with Screen Talk 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:31.800 Leaver a bit of a look at the Sydney Film 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:34.240 Festival that's getting under way. We're giving away double passes 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:36.480 with track of the day of course. Also we'll have 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:41.200 the midday movie review with Anna. It's a shocker. I'm 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:44.200 told it's coming up. I think it's tomorrow on TV 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:46.560 this one say get a bit of a foretaste. Jim 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.400 will be here with Sydney Siders after two o'clock as well. 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:53.920 Professor Barney Glover impressive human being Professor Glover. He's now 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:56.880 the Commissioner of Jobs and Skills Australia. And there was 0:03:56.880 --> 0:04:00.920 a report out in the newspapers today suggesting that the 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:06.720 Federal Labor government want to get the split between those 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:12.080 going to university and those studying vocational courses, TAFE degrees 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:14.080 and the like. They want to get that closer to 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:16.640 fifty to fifty for too long, and they're right to 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:19.240 point this out, my dude. They've been guilty, as have 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:22.800 the Coalition in encouraging this, but for too long governments 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:26.680 have been trying to push people toward universities, and they've 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.400 got targets. Back in two thousand and eight, there was 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:33.120 a report that wanted forty percent of the Australian populational 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:36.560 workforce to have a tertiary degree by twenty twenty. Last 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:38.600 year there was a report, I think it was the 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.320 University's Accord Report or whatever it was released last year 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:43.760 up that figure of fifty five percent. I mean, these 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:46.560 are just you know, some would say it's just some 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:49.920 government bureaucrat or whatever throwing a dart at the dart board. 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:52.920 Oh fifty five percent, Yeah, let's have it. Why why 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:54.919 do we need fifty five percent of the workforce to 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:59.720 have a university degree. I'm not against universities, let alone 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:02.080 degree they've got one. I know people have got three, 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:06.240 and in a number of circumstances they're essential. I mean, 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:08.400 you're not going to be a lawyer without a university degree. 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.839 You're not going to be an architect without a university degree. 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:13.560 I don't think you should be an engineer without a 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:17.000 university degree. But there are a number of degrees out 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:20.400 there which really I think is sort of surplus to 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:23.839 requirement and people go and they do them because between 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:29.919 government dictate and parental pressure, they think, well, I better 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:33.080 do this because otherwise I've sort of wasted my schooling 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:36.160 or I've wasted my good atar or whatever it is. 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:41.480 And they're not considering going into a trade, whereas if 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:45.000 they did do that, they probably get paid more earlier, 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:48.760 they'd probably have a guaranteed job when they went through 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:52.479 their apprenticeship, and for the broader economy, they would be 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:56.839 making arguably a more valuable contribution to the GDP of Australia. 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:00.200 So we need to debate this and discuss this, and 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:01.880 it doesn't just have to come from government. I think 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:03.880 there's there's a role here for parents. I have no 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.320 doubt there's a lot of parents out there that push 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:09.159 their children to go to university, even if the passion 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.280 of the child has nothing to do with what a 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:15.400 university can offer them and don't do with trade. That's 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:18.200 not for you. You know you're smart, you should go 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:23.000 to university, is the argument, Okain the number of circumstances, yeah, sure, 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:25.480 but not in all And I think we need to 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.840 recalibrate that conversation. So do that with Professor Glover later 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:30.640 in the show. Anyway, as I said, that's just a 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.200 few things on the agenda. It's what you're thinking about 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:34.800 and what you want to talk about that really matters, 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:37.000 and you let us know one three, one eight seven 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:46.120 three is the best way of doing that. Seventeen past twelve. Well, look, 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:49.279 here's a headline for you to start the day. White 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:53.120 British people will become a minority in the UK population 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:58.200 within the next forty years. Just think about that. White 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:02.560 British people will become a minority in the UK population 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:06.400 within the next forty years. Now, for those of us 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:09.120 who have British ancestors, who've studied the kings and Queens 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:12.720 of England in school history classes, who speak the English language, 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:15.480 who think of pork Pie's big ben, red phone boxes 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:17.720 and all of that, when we think of Britain, the 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:21.480 idea that those aisles before too long will not be 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:24.520 majority white does, I think take a bit of getting 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:27.280 used to now. The headline comes from a new study 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:31.000 by Professor Matt Goodwin. He's of Buckingham University, and he 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:34.560 used something called the cohort component method. I think that's 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:38.360 something many demographers utilized to try to predict the trend 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:42.600 going forward. And as the professor says, unless there is 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:45.800 a radical change of policy, the share of the UK 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:50.640 population that is white British will fall sharply from just 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:55.480 over seventy percent today to below thirty four percent by 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:58.120 the year twenty one hundred. In other words, a tourist 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:01.720 to London in say, seventy years time will be walking 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:04.280 among a very different demographic as they take in the 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:06.600 sites of Piccadilly Circus compared with a visitor in the 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:10.240 nineteen nineties. Now, I guess the story here isn't so 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:13.920 much that it highlights a changing population. Cities in particular 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:18.520 have never been static entities. But it's the pace of 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:21.720 change playing out before the British public's eyes that is 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:25.520 the story. And whether that change is net positive or not. 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:32.280 If it all happens too fast, the existing cohort will revolt, 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.240 and that'll be out of fear that their customs, their language, 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:38.199 laws in general way of life are under threat. I mean, 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:41.959 that is simply the natural reaction, and it'd present itself 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:45.080 in Bangalore as much as it would in Birmingham. But 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:48.640 you see, none of this is by accident. The trend 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:51.959 now presenting in the data is the result of years 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:55.920 of government policy in Westminster by both Labor and Conservative administrations. 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:59.480 As the UK Telegraph points out, Professor Goodwin's report fellows 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:03.600 a period of unprecedented legal and illegal migration to Britain, 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:07.400 those numbers hitting a record high of nine hundred and 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:12.160 six thousand in twenty twenty three alone, and as we speak, 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:15.720 the British Southeast Coast as being swamped by an endless 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:19.080 wave of inflatable dinghies loaded with so called asylum seekers 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:23.120 effectively waved across the Channel by the French. Now, all 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.840 of those that are eventually granted the right to permanent 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:31.800 residency accelerate the demographic change identified by Goodwin. Now, of course, 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:35.240 in some areas, especially some of Britain's bigger cities, the 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:37.960 proportion of the population that has Anglo, Saxon or Celtic 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:42.040 ancestry has already slipped into the minority. The twenty twenty 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:46.520 two census found both London and Birmingham had become minority 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:50.560 white British. Many other areas in the old industrial North 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:53.400 would also be the same. But of course one skin 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:57.480 colour matters nought. It matters nought. In the post Martin 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:01.200 Luther King world, the sensible people have to appreciate that 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:03.439 we don't judge someone by the color of their skin, 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:07.400 but rather by the nature of their character. In other words, 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.679 one doesn't have to be white to be British. Britishness, 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:13.320 like Australianness, is more a state of mind. It's a 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:17.160 membership of a shared set of values and ideas, much 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.120 more so than it is a shake of the old 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:23.640 family tree. So all of those trends and population changes, 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:28.280 they only matter if they come with associated shifts in 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:33.360 attitudes to the traditional ties that bind Now. As Professor 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:36.480 Goodwin found, by the end of this century, most of 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:39.080 the people in Britain will not be able to trace 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:42.439 their roots in the country back more than one or 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:47.760 perhaps two generations. Now again, they need not matter as 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:50.600 long as the process of integration is robust and effective. 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.160 But as he goes on to say, quote this raises 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:57.600 enormous questions about the capacity of our country and leaders 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:01.880 to unify people around a shared sense of identity, values, 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:04.920 ways of life and culture and avoid the very real 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:07.240 risk of us becoming what keirstarm At, the Prime Minister, 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:11.040 referred to in May as an island of strangers. End 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:15.680 quote well, Sadly, Britain's leaders have shown scant recent capacity 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:20.560 to unify people around those said values, culture, etc. And 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.040 you get the feeling that, having stuffed themselves like a 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:27.320 firegras goose full of post colonial guilt, they're petrified to 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:31.040 champion the institutions and the cultural pillars that built one 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:34.640 of the greatest civilizations the world has ever known. But 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:36.880 unless they get on the front foot and start asserting 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:41.240 what makes great Britain great, and no diversity in and 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:44.160 of itself isn't top of that list, they risk returning 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:46.800 to an age before the evolution of the nation state, 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:50.120 or at the very least, a nation state where the 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:54.719 traditional British values are usurped by those of somewhere else. Now, 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:57.480 as they say, demography is destiny. And when you dig 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:00.720 a little deeper into Professor Goodwin's report, the UK born 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:05.640 fertility rate is one point thirty nine. Now the foreign 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:09.199 born rate is just to touch under two. And if 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:11.400 that holds true for a bunch of decades, the face 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:15.920 of Britain is guaranteed to change, even if immigration is 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:19.679 substantially rained in. But of course it won't be. But nonetheless, 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:22.520 the mathematics is true now Obviously it's a similar story 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:26.360 out here. The face of Australia has been evolving since 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:30.720 the nineteen fifties and that evolution is clearly gathering pace now. Again, 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.640 just like with Britain, it need not be anything to 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:37.480 fear or worry about, as long as government demand adherence 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:40.880 to the rules, institutions and cultural norms that were the 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:45.560 cornerstone of our extraordinary success. They are the magic ties 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:49.440 that bind irrespective of someone's heritage. But there's no doubt 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:53.360 that the pace of change even here is proving a challenge, 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.720 and it does present genuine questions about what such huge, 0:12:56.760 --> 0:13:00.920 indeed unprecedented changes in the composition of the population will 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:04.160 mean for the future of nations all over the world. 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:08.880 In fact, undergoing such an alteration twenty six past twelve, 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:10.959 a lot of feedback about all of that. You can 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.360 keep that coming in zero for six zero eight seven 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:17.040 three eight seven three. Steve's buzzed in, Hi, Steve, Yeah, 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:19.160 hey Michael, how are you good mate? Thanks? 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:23.199 What you were just talking about demographics and countries are 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:26.480 something that would be close knowledge for you. Is that 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:30.440 Angela Merkel, going back a number of years ago through 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:33.960 the gates open to over a million North African refugees, 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:38.320 and very quickly the German people realize that within a generation, 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:42.559 because all of those people took up citizenship, that within 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:46.640 a generation they would completely change the demographics and the 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:51.680 voting power as a block away from the German people. 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:56.000 Yeah, well, I mean that's true. The German political system 0:13:56.800 --> 0:14:00.079 is naive in some respects, isn't it, Steve, Because you 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:03.640 had the CDU, which is Merkel's party, the Christian Democratic 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:09.400 Union sent a right party, opened the doors, the demography changed, 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:13.120 and then they get upset when the AfD rises and 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:15.400 they say, well, how come this mob is getting so 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:18.960 much support. I mean, you caused it, Fellers. So it's 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:23.440 you know, it's a strange old system, but it's there 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:25.880 are long term consequence Now, as I said, it need 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:30.000 not be negative if people who arrive in whatever country 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:34.720 around the world adopt and absorb the cultural and legal 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:37.720 and whatever framework that is existing in the country. But 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:39.280 if people come in and then want to change it, 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:41.880 then we've got a problems. 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:44.960 And that's exactly what happened with a lot of the 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:49.680 youth gangs. Are ten years later and the gang rates 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:53.160 and everything that was going on in Germany the moral 0:14:53.760 --> 0:15:00.160 and the whole moral fabric was starting to be changed 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:03.560 and undermined by a group that was allowed in. 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:09.200 Yeah, well that's right. And Germany is still dealing with 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:12.400 that problem today and I go back there quite frequently, 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:15.480 as you know, and it is something that many people 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:17.760 talk about in Germany and it is playing out in 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.520 their politics today. And that is, well, what are we 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:23.280 looking at now, ten to fifteen years almost or ten 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:26.520 years I think after that decision by Angela Merkel or 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.720 close to now probably, and yet it is it is 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.880 still manifesting one way or the other in the way 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:35.200 that people vote and talk politics in Germany even to 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:37.400 this day and will continue to Thank you, Steve, I 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:40.880 appreciate your call. One three one eight seven three Over 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:43.560 to Perth quickly here. Now we've had a debate in 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:46.160 New South Wales. I think most jurisdictions have about e 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:49.080 scooters and e bikes and we've spoken to Harold Scrooby, 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.560 We've spoken a range of people about this, and we 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:53.960 know that the state labor government in New South Wales 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:58.240 is favoring an acceptance model for a lot of these 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:02.400 what are they called e chrow mobility devices or words 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:07.880 to that effect rather than blanket bands or heavy restrictions. Now, 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:12.600 obviously the main issue is no one can really argue 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.640 or work out how all of the different ideas they're 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:18.560 looking at could possibly be policed, you know, speed limits 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:22.240 and this sort of thing. That won't happen. So it 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:25.200 looks like it will be semi open slather at some 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:27.520 point when it comes to escooters and e bikes in 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:29.480 New South Wales, there'll be some restrictions, but how can 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:32.600 you police love them? Now, let's go to Perth. This 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:34.800 has just come through today the City of Perth. The 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:38.440 council there is set to suspend the hiring of e 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:42.160 scooters from today and that is following a fatal collision 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:44.000 in the city over the weekend. It killed a fifty 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:47.640 one year old pedestrian. The man was, according to the ABC, 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:51.440 out for dinner in the Perth CBD Saturday night when 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:54.720 he was struck at an intersection by an e scooter. 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:57.880 Now he's believed to be the first pedestrian to die 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:00.720 in an e scooter accident in all of West in Australia. 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:05.160 A UK tourist as I See being charged with causing 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:09.960 death while driving dangerously under the influence of alcohol. Perth 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:13.040 Deputy Lord Mayor Bruce Reynolds said that the hiring of 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:18.600 et scooters would be suspended from midday today in response. Now, 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.240 the Premier of w A, Roger Cook, was asked about 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:24.720 this at a press conference about something else, and he said, look, 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:28.679 he supports supports the suspension given the circumstances, but he 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:31.280 said it would be a pity to permanently ban the 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:34.760 use of the scooters. Okay, So this, I guess, is 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:37.280 the question off the back of this very sad story 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:40.879 in the West. And you know, I don't want to 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:44.320 sound like the gun lobby in America that's that run 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:47.280 that line. Oh, you know, guns don't kill people. It's 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:49.320 only bad people with a gun. You know, that's just 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:53.280 a minute. But when we look at scooters or e 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:57.840 bikes or whatnot, we need to ask the question. And 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:00.000 I don't know if I have the answer because I 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.000 haven't looked into it enough. But many of you have. 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:04.320 In many of you on these coastal communities and northern 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:06.040 beaches the Shire. I mean, you're living with these things 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:07.679 all the time, whizzing around, So you can tell me 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:11.879 is it the device that's the problem, or is it 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:14.800 the individual that utilizes the device. That's the problem. Now 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:16.960 I'm not going to reflect on what's happened in Wa. 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:20.200 This will be a court matter, but suffice to say, 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:26.800 generally speaking, if somebody is intoxicated and they get into 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:31.120 a motor vehicle, non e anything, it's just traditional combustion 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:35.640 injured motor vehicle and they kill somebody. Nobody's out there saying, look, 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:40.280 what we should do is ban higher cars. No one 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:43.040 says that. Okay, let's look at drink driving rules, let's 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:48.119 look at alcohol limits, this sort of thing. Now, I 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:51.080 think really where we need to go, be it in 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:55.680 your South Wales, WA, Queensland, ac wherever with these emerging 0:18:55.720 --> 0:19:02.919 technologies is down the registration path, registration and insurance and 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:06.040 identify as like number plates. I think that's where you've 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:07.800 got to go. Is sure, there's got to be speed 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:12.760 limits and there's got to be restrictions where motorized mechanized 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:15.760 devices can operate. I've got a big problem with e 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:19.879 things operating on footpaths. They're going faster than a pedestrian. 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:24.360 Therefore there is the inclination toward danger. So we've got 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:27.400 to look at that. But there is a movement out there, 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:29.760 and I understand it. There's a movement out there saying, look, 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:32.600 well let's just ban these things, ban e bikes, ban 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:37.040 e scooters. But that's not going to happen, okay. So 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.760 I think we've got to be practical and say, how 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:42.639 can we restrict the use in the same way we 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:44.960 restrict the use of motor vehicles if we I mean, 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:47.560 you can't drive a car just anywhere, stick to the road. 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:51.520 So there's restrictions about the use of certain devices that 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:55.840 are motorized that can cause damage far greater than if 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:59.679 a human were to bump into another human. And so 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:01.800 this this is where I think the focus has to be. Now, 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:04.359 whether the proposals the state government here seem to be 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:08.560 mulling over about certain speed limits depending on the type 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:11.960 of track you're using and all this sort of thing, 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:16.840 whether that goes far enough or is missing the point. 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:19.000 I'll leave for you to decide and you can tell 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:21.679 me one three one eight seven three. I appreciate. I 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:26.080 understand why in the West they're suspending the use of 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:32.840 e scooter hiring following this tragic event. You essentially can 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:37.119 stop the hiring, focus on what needs to be done, 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:41.160 and then restart the process when you have the correct 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:46.960 regulatory framework in place. But there will be some even 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:48.680 over there, so let's just ban these things are good. 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:53.960 I'm not sure that's a practical or be even necessary. 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:57.480 But there again, I say again on the record, I 0:20:57.520 --> 0:20:59.160 don't live in a part of Sydney where these things 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:00.760 are whizzing around every I mean, we get the e 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:04.439 bikes and they're just being dumped near the canal. I just 0:21:04.760 --> 0:21:06.240 I don't know who gets on them, but that they 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:09.480 you know, like like mice or mushrooms. I just keep 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:12.720 producing every day more of these green, stupid things. No 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:14.000 one seems to be using them, but a lot of 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:16.600 people want to dump them near a canal. Funnily enough, 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:20.080 But is the way to go to ban them or 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:22.960 is it to regulate it? You can tell me one 0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:24.880 three one eight seven three. Keep the text coming as well. 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:27.120 Zero four six zero eight seven three eight seven three. 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:29.080 Ye have some fantastic feedback coming in. Thank you for 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:31.000 all of that. Zero four six zero eight seven three 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:33.440 eight seven three. Jacks says what a number of people say. 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:35.600 Says simple solution to the e bikes and the scooters 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:39.240 has just enforced the laws as they stand enforce the 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:41.000 laws as they stand. Well, the law at the moment 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:43.359 I think says that you are not allowed to have 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:46.800 an escooter. I think that's the law, and of course 0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:49.120 that is far more oddered in the breach than the observance. 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:51.800 As we've said, I don't know anyone and I know 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:54.120 people that have the scooters. I don't know anyone who 0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:59.040 has been told off by the authorities because they're in 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:02.639 possession of something which I think, certainly up until the 0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:06.399 week before last was illegal in New South Wales. And 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:10.560 he says in Thailand fourteen thousand people died on motorcycles 0:22:10.840 --> 0:22:13.120 in accidents last year. Are they going to band those Well, 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:14.680 no they're not, And I guess in part that is 0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:18.000 the point. Scotty says. In Europe, these scooters are all 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:21.119 over the place and just left disregarded. I was with 0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:23.280 a friend in Barcelona and he tripped over one that 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:26.200 wasn't even being used. We don't want that. Sydney's already 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:28.960 a bit hazardous enough for pedestrians as it is. Thank you, Scotty. 0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:31.880 No name on this one, but they say what many 0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:35.000 are saying on the text, if you register and enshore. 0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:38.840 But that's one step. But of course if they're then 0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:42.040 hide out without idea, one could just run off if 0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:48.640 something bad were to happen. Yeah, that's true, that's true. 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:50.399 But I suppose if you made it a little like 0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:55.439 high cars, that business model, then there would be a 0:22:55.800 --> 0:23:00.000 traceability to a degree back to who was in person 0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:02.399 of the vehicle at the time of the incident. Not 0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:04.320 as simple as a high car. I get that, but 0:23:04.400 --> 0:23:08.160 that should be maybe where we're hitting Michael, good afternoon. 0:23:09.040 --> 0:23:10.359 Good afternoon. How are you the sup? 0:23:10.560 --> 0:23:13.040 I'm all right, thank you, that's good. 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:15.000 I just want to give you an account of my 0:23:15.600 --> 0:23:18.400 thirty year old daughter. So she was at a bus 0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:21.480 stop waiting to catch a bus to work, and she 0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:24.320 signaled the bus as it arrived, but she had her 0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:26.760 puddle of water in front of her, so she stepped 0:23:26.760 --> 0:23:32.440 back and she got knocked high by these scooter Anyway, 0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:35.000 she hid her laying on the ground that looked at 0:23:35.000 --> 0:23:37.280 the scooter driver. He just got up, klopped on his 0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:40.160 scooter and off again. And as she tried to get up, 0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:44.960 the bus driver just drove past her. She caught the 0:23:45.000 --> 0:23:48.600 next bus and went into work and worked. Said listen, 0:23:48.640 --> 0:23:51.720 you're too distressed. You're in too much pain. They ranged 0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:54.879 for someone to take her home and she spent the 0:23:54.880 --> 0:24:01.200 next two weeks getting almost daily video. So I'm out 0:24:01.200 --> 0:24:05.080 there myself. I'm retired and on my walking group. As 0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:07.920 you walk along, they ride past you. They don't bother 0:24:09.200 --> 0:24:12.000 ringing bells or letting you know they're coming, and they 0:24:12.080 --> 0:24:17.080 just fly past. The old courtesy is ringing the bell 0:24:17.119 --> 0:24:19.080 as you went past as you ride the bike, just 0:24:19.119 --> 0:24:21.080 to let someone know you're coming. They've got to do that. 0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:22.800 But they've got to do something with the e bikes 0:24:22.840 --> 0:24:27.040 by slowing them down, yes, so that they just can't 0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:30.680 speed past you at thirty k's yep. 0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:33.000 No, I'm with you. I'm completely on board with all 0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:35.080 of that. As I said, I don't think banning them 0:24:35.160 --> 0:24:38.159 is the answer, because there's already over what is at 0:24:38.160 --> 0:24:41.200 one point three million e bikes, e scooters, e whatever's 0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:43.800 already just in New South Wales, I believe. So you're 0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:45.399 not going to have a buy back or it's not 0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:47.640 going to happen. But we've got to look at regulation 0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:50.639 and we have to seriously and quickly get the government 0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:52.960 to look at the way these things are legally allowed 0:24:53.000 --> 0:24:55.400 to operate. Now, whether that's only on bike paths or 0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:58.720 only in certain conditions, not just raffity's rules, which seems 0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:00.000 to be the case at the moment. I mean that's 0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:02.399 it's got to happen fast, because what happened to your 0:25:02.480 --> 0:25:05.760 daughter sadly happens too frequently and it's got to stop. 0:25:06.000 --> 0:25:07.720 It's got to stop. Government to have a duty of care. 0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:09.840 Thank you, Michael, I appreciate the call, and we send 0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:10.720 our love to your daughter. 0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:13.960 Hello John, Hey mate, how are you good? 0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:14.240 Mate? 0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:15.720 Yeah? 0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:18.080 Look, I worked at one of the units in Canberra 0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:23.480 and we had a never ending list of problems with 0:25:23.800 --> 0:25:26.480 these scooters. They were just discarded in the middle of 0:25:26.600 --> 0:25:29.879 pass when you walk out of buildings, and in the 0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:34.960 end we actually gf and them with the main scooter providers. Yes, 0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:39.200 but do you have the people who can modify their 0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:42.960 aftermarket scooters? And then on top of that, you've got 0:25:43.000 --> 0:25:45.680 deliverer people and all that that come through the campus 0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:48.920 and they leave the road doing forty to fifty k's 0:25:48.960 --> 0:25:51.399 and just go straight through the campus at the same street. 0:25:52.320 --> 0:25:54.800 And we had a few accidents which were quite bad. 0:25:54.880 --> 0:25:56.560 But they're all trying. 0:25:56.440 --> 0:25:59.040 To be sort of hushed up because they want to 0:25:59.040 --> 0:26:02.920 promote the use of scooters. But where it started coming 0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:05.760 up unstuck was when the cyclists and the scooters clashed. 0:26:06.320 --> 0:26:09.760 And there's no way you can actually take a side, 0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:12.359 you know, like if you're working at the UNI or 0:26:12.680 --> 0:26:19.400 as an authoritarian sort of overseer, because they're promoting cyclists 0:26:19.520 --> 0:26:21.840 as much as scooters. But you know the problem with 0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:25.200 the scooters. The kids have a vendor and whatever they 0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:27.720 do after exams, and you know, we're fishing them out 0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:28.680 of the creeks in the lake. 0:26:28.920 --> 0:26:34.479 Yeah that's right, Yeah, well exactly. And there's the additional issue, 0:26:34.480 --> 0:26:37.280 of course of the lithium ion batteries and we've seen 0:26:37.320 --> 0:26:39.320 so many house fires and who knows what else now 0:26:39.359 --> 0:26:41.359 because of that, these things being left to charge a 0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:44.399 therm or run away. There's a stack of issues. The 0:26:44.520 --> 0:26:46.520 question is, I guess, John, how do we deal with it? 0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:50.040 We've got the problem, it's before us. The devices are everywhere, 0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:51.840 So what are we going to do? And this is 0:26:51.880 --> 0:26:54.200 something that government all over the continent, indeed all over 0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:56.720 the world and grappling with at the moment, because in 0:26:56.800 --> 0:27:01.040 so many circumstances, governments and legislation react rather than preempt 0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:04.800 a problem arising. Now I mean, yeah, smart people. Anyone 0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:06.680 with the Nike over twenty could have told you these 0:27:06.720 --> 0:27:08.680 sort of problems are going to come when these devices 0:27:08.720 --> 0:27:11.639 started coming on mass. But government sort of undernard and 0:27:11.720 --> 0:27:14.359 just waited for it to happen, and probably people early 0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:15.600 on to all this is fun, look at this new 0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:18.439 bit of kid. And now we've got a problem, and 0:27:18.480 --> 0:27:21.560 it's a big problem, and so they're scrambling with reviews 0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:23.439 and legislation and who knows what has to try to 0:27:23.440 --> 0:27:25.840 rectify the problem. But I mean, yes that your ideas 0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:27.760 are as good as the government's. Believe me. Thank you 0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:29.280 for your call. Tony in Brisbane. 0:27:29.600 --> 0:27:33.960 Tony, Oh good, I how are you well? 0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:35.880 Mate? Thank you good. 0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:40.800 I think it's just an easy answer for this in 0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:44.280 so far as I'm a pensioner and I'm going to 0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:47.120 no doubt soon up the road have one of these 0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:50.080 electrical buggers that only go a few kilometers on our 0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:55.080 You've got bicycles on the footpaths that don't cause any problems. 0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:59.440 Just restrict when you make these scooters so they can't 0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:01.800 go far sent say eight kilometers an hour? 0:28:03.600 --> 0:28:06.200 Yeah, a speed limit in essence. 0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:10.240 Well no, so when you buy one, that's the fastest 0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:10.639 they'll go. 0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:14.360 Yes, yeah, all right, well look I think yes. I mean, 0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:16.640 technically you could make that happen. I'm quite sure whether 0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:19.600 people could then in the backyard, as it were, tinker 0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:23.320 with it and modified I don't know, mind you. If 0:28:23.320 --> 0:28:24.840 they were to do that and the law said you 0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:26.600 could only go x kilometers an hour at the most, 0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:29.560 and they were clocked somehow doing more than that, you 0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:31.680 could find them pretty hard and heavy. But Tony, I 0:28:31.680 --> 0:28:34.359 appreciate that thought as well. Thank you. It's fourteen to 0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:36.960 one three one eight seven three the open line number 0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:38.480 more after this. Great to be with you on this 0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:42.360 cold but beautiful Thursday. Was gonna say morning afternoon, now, 0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:45.000 isn't It's eleven minster one one three one eight seven 0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:47.320 three now. Yesterday we had a real triumph of radio, 0:28:47.440 --> 0:28:50.960 probably ACCRA Award winning stuff, if I'm not being too immodest, 0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:54.360 when we played guess the grunt, and we had a 0:28:54.440 --> 0:28:57.760 very successful person that could decipher the Monica seller's grunt 0:28:57.760 --> 0:29:01.480 as opposed to Maria sharapovn Arena Sablenka. There were degrees 0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:05.000 of decibels being reached there that I think almost defied science, 0:29:05.520 --> 0:29:10.640 but in a sort of flurry of extensive research after 0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:15.120 the program, we uncovered what we believe and I can't 0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:17.720 sort of in a Guinness World Record since prove this, 0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:21.960 but I believe this to be true. The most extraordinary 0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:26.800 female tennis grunt e woman would be grunty, wouldn't it 0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:31.080 grunt it that has ever participated in the world of 0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:36.160 professional tennis. Have to listen to this. I mean that 0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:38.080 is just a can we have that again? G I 0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:40.680 mean that that is something I just people who just 0:29:40.760 --> 0:29:42.760 tuning in this. This is from the tennis court. I 0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:45.280 just hastened to add, So have a listen to this. 0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:53.000 That's extraordinary. That was just in the warm up. Now 0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:57.200 if you can tell me who that was, you know, 0:29:57.240 --> 0:30:00.560 the a bomb of tennis grunts two g be prize 0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:03.840 pack coming your way, all right, one three, one eight 0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:06.080 seven three. Now I'm willing to put I said, yes, 0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:07.760 I'm willing to put ten dollars down. No one knows 0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:13.720 who that was because it's it may not be a 0:30:13.760 --> 0:30:17.400 household name. It might be some parts of the world, 0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:19.840 but not here anyway. Just before we go back to 0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:22.240 calls on more substantive matters, as you think about who 0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:26.520 was that and you're grateful that you don't live next 0:30:26.520 --> 0:30:32.479 door to them. Now this is this extraordinary lady in 0:30:32.600 --> 0:31:02.400 full flight mid set. Have a listen to this now. 0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:04.760 I think they were cheering because you finally shut up. 0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:07.240 I don't think there is could take it anymore. The 0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:10.200 dogs were barking in the neighborhood. I un'tbelieve you know 0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:11.400 if you know who that is, or you want to 0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:13.000 have a crack one three, one eight seven three or 0:31:13.000 --> 0:31:14.800 two JB prize pack will come to the winner. All right, 0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:16.440 let's get back to all these calls about e bikes, 0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:20.440 Matt's at Gosford and a Matt Hey maybe done better 0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:21.960 than that woman. What's on your mind? 0:31:23.000 --> 0:31:25.520 Not wrong? This is all showing all that grunking is 0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:27.240 going to take the energy out of the game. 0:31:29.320 --> 0:31:31.600 I don't know what to concertainly destroying the vocal cords. 0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:35.480 I'm just ringing about the e byks. I'm an I'm 0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:38.320 a motorates driver and an e bike rider. I do both. 0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:38.640 Yep. 0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:41.880 Yeah, I've got a lushy of doing it. I've got 0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:45.520 a bike, my bike part and then a bike laying 0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:48.000 on the way to work. So I'm I think I'm 0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:51.680 doing it all legally. Anyway, but this one of your 0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:54.360 callers before was they're saying about you know, I'm very 0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:56.640 courteous with when I see people walking on the paths 0:31:56.640 --> 0:31:58.720 and that I've got a horn, I use it. But 0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:01.080 I find most of these people well that they've got 0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:02.959 things in there is they're not looking at where they 0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:06.880 get walking. You know, they're right across the wide walking path. 0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:12.960 You know, it's very hard to we neither way. 0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:15.280 Yeah, I get it. And there are a lot of 0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:18.040 people now that are not pedestrians but zombies. As you say, 0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:20.200 they've got the noise canceling headphones on, they got their 0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:22.160 head in their telephone. They wouldn't know where they are. 0:32:22.200 --> 0:32:23.600 You know, a bomb could go off, they wouldn't have 0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:26.080 a clue. And equally, I've seen people on these e 0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:28.680 scooters that are kitted up the same way. So there's 0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:32.240 zombies with a battery under their feet. Right. Yes, yes, 0:32:32.840 --> 0:32:35.080 it's a worry got on your mat. I appreciate you call. 0:32:35.160 --> 0:32:43.640 Thank you safe driving Tony todayry Tony, Sorry, just just 0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:46.200 hold that thought. The line's terrible, will fix the line up, 0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:48.400 will come back to you. Michael at Penrith today, Michael 0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:50.080 and cool. 0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:53.680 How I thanks to take them my call pleasure on 0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:57.400 the e bikes as well. I just I know it's 0:32:57.400 --> 0:33:00.520 thinking outside the box, but look, when you go into 0:33:00.560 --> 0:33:05.240 a factory environment, forklip has a beeping sound so that 0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:09.000 people know that they're there. Most injuries, I think from 0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:11.880 e bytes come because people can't hear them coming. So 0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:15.440 why can't they make it mandatory to have some sort 0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:19.160 of audible sound on these things so people are forewarned 0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:20.520 when they're coming. 0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:23.479 Yeah, okay, it's nice idea. Yeah, I think so. I 0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:28.120 know because I take buses occasionally, these new pure electric buses, 0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:31.480 which are very quiet. They have a little ding ding 0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:33.800 sound as they drive. It's almost like a tram. I 0:33:33.920 --> 0:33:35.680 got one the other day and I could hear this 0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:38.520 ding ding ding ding. Okay, what the hell is that? 0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:41.160 And then sure enough it was the bus. Because they're 0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:43.920 so quiet, that's a safety device that has been built 0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:49.200 in externally to the bus. Obviously for people who are 0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:51.360 vision impaired or whatever, that would be a great asset 0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:54.280 as well. So I think that's part of maybe what 0:33:54.400 --> 0:33:56.800 needs to be done Michael, in the broader gamut of things. 0:33:57.120 --> 0:33:59.520 Thank you for the call. Now, look I've got I've 0:33:59.520 --> 0:34:02.800 got a Gazellian calls and techna all of the people 0:34:02.800 --> 0:34:08.799 saying Maria Sharapova wrong. Now someone said it's Sharapov. I 0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:13.399 know that grunt anywhere. I don't know how, but it 0:34:13.480 --> 0:34:20.200 wasn't her. It wasn't Sharapova. It was somebody else one three, 0:34:20.239 --> 0:34:22.279 one eight seven three. And now Bernadette, I think is 0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:24.640 going to have a crack of this. Bernadette, who was 0:34:24.640 --> 0:34:26.200 the Gruntette? 0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:29.680 I think it was Monica Sallis. She was the original 0:34:30.440 --> 0:34:32.360 and perch ever to start grunting. 0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:37.920 She was the original, but she wasn't the best, if 0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:40.040 I can put it that way, because she she couldn't 0:34:40.080 --> 0:34:43.759 reach decibels of the nature of this lady. No, it 0:34:43.760 --> 0:34:50.640 wasn't Monica. Seller's thank you for try. Rick, Hello, Rick, Rick, 0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:52.080 who is it? 0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:55.040 Oh, I've already answered. 0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:57.280 I said it was scharipage, but I'll just told her tronk. 0:34:57.400 --> 0:35:00.200 No, Unfortunately it wasn't Sharpova. Rick, Thank you for try 0:35:01.120 --> 0:35:04.280 Who we got here? Sam? Hello? Sam? 0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:05.520 Hey mate? How are you going? 0:35:05.560 --> 0:35:08.799 Good? Mate? How are you well? Who was it? 0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:12.720 I believe it was Victoria ad. 0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:15.239 No, No, she can deliver a good grunt, but it 0:35:15.280 --> 0:35:17.200 wasn't her. Let's get one more in here, Malcolm, who 0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:18.440 do you reckon? Was it was the grunter? 0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:19.279 Yes? 0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:23.680 No, no, no, she can deliver a belter, but it 0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:26.200 wasn't even her. No no. We will have to carry 0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:27.880 this over till after the news. I tell you what 0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:31.000 instead of the two GB pack, let's do this. Let's 0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:33.880 give away a family past to Taronga Zoo. Let's do 0:35:34.000 --> 0:35:36.000 that for the person who can guess the grunt it. 0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:39.320 This is from Wayne who says was it Greta Tunberg 0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:44.399 after Labor approved the gas project in Wa? Not bad 0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:45.000 but no. 0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:50.920 News is next now on TGB and network stations. 0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:54.480 Back to afternoons with Michael McLaren. 0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:57.280 L ed at the second hour. Thank you for your company. 0:35:57.320 --> 0:35:59.919 One three one eight seven three the open line number. 0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:01.880 We are playing a game of guess the grunt are 0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:04.200 out of nowhere? Hit Mi? Do I have a family 0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:08.200 pass to Taronga Zoo to give away? Of course? Today 0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:12.120 is Taronga Giving Day and you can donate by visiting 0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:15.640 give dot Taronga dot org dot a U. All donations 0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:17.680 of two dollars or more I think a tax deductible 0:36:17.680 --> 0:36:21.719 for Australian residents, so give dot org dot au. It's 0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:23.799 all going to a very very good cause. All right, 0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:25.600 let's say if we can find the winner before we 0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:27.160 move on, Mark, who do you. 0:36:27.080 --> 0:36:27.520 Think it is? 0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:29.960 Mark? 0:36:30.000 --> 0:36:30.040 On? 0:36:30.160 --> 0:36:34.759 And hang on, let's try Anthony first. Anthony, Hi, how 0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:35.439 are you good? 0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:35.640 Mate? 0:36:35.640 --> 0:36:36.560 Who do you reckon? Was? 0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:41.000 I think it's Michelle Lada DeBrito. 0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:48.040 Now a few people think it is Michelle. Michelle has 0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:52.719 some very very significant bagpipes in play. It wasn't her, 0:36:52.920 --> 0:37:08.160 But this is Michelle. I understand where you got it, 0:37:08.160 --> 0:37:12.440 but that's slightly off, Anthony. Imagine Michelle playing the actual 0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:15.040 woman here. My goodness, Mark, who do you reckon? It was. 0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:18.880 Emily Moresmo, the French girl. 0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:21.839 The French It wasn't Emily Moresmo. Thank you for trying. Peter. 0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:27.520 Who do you think Peter? Oh? 0:37:27.640 --> 0:37:30.920 Sorry, Arrange, she's Baccario. 0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:35.400 No, it wasn't her, Thank you, Peter. Narrator, What do 0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:35.840 you reckon? 0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:38.920 I reckon it's Serena Williams. 0:37:39.520 --> 0:37:42.719 No, not Serena. Serena I think might have been one 0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:44.399 of the screams at the end of the long one 0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:46.359 we played, because she was in the match we got 0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:49.640 the audio from. But no, no, the grant wasn't Serena. 0:37:49.680 --> 0:37:51.640 Per se Karen. 0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:54.880 Him, Michael as March Sina. 0:37:54.680 --> 0:38:00.160 Hingish, No, No, the Swiss miss wasn't her. John, Who 0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:00.680 do you think? 0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:04.040 Thanks? 0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:09.120 I think John, johnny're there? No, that's not working, John. 0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:11.719 The line's not good. By the way, it wasn't Anna Cornerkovia. 0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:14.120 But thanks for trying. Graham. 0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:17.640 I've actually changed mind to Contrita Martinez. 0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:20.439 No, it wasn't Who was your first guess? 0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:23.920 Ah, the French girl Emily Maresmo? 0:38:24.719 --> 0:38:27.160 No, it wasn't her, or was they written here Guarrezmo 0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:29.239 up on the screen? Might have been a cousin from 0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:37.080 across the border. Now, Hank, Hank, Hank, Hank, who do 0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:37.680 you think it is? 0:38:38.560 --> 0:38:39.120 Caroline? 0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:39.760 Wasn't Aid? 0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:42.279 No, not Caroline. We're never going to get this, are we. 0:38:42.360 --> 0:38:44.480 Let's try one more before I ran out of breath. George, 0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:45.000 who is it? 0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:47.799 Yeah, I'll tell you who it is. 0:38:47.840 --> 0:38:50.360 It's an Italian player. She's five foot four. 0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:52.600 It's Jasmina Paulini. 0:38:52.880 --> 0:38:54.960 And I'll tell you, George, that's well explained. But it 0:38:55.000 --> 0:38:59.640 wasn't her. But take it for the details and the guests. No, 0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:02.720 do it. I'll tell you what. Let's hold this till tomorrow. 0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:07.080 Let's let's hold this to tomorrow, shall we? I tell 0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:09.880 you what I will do narrator who called from Concord 0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:14.480 and she said, Serena Williams. Serena was in the longer package. 0:39:14.800 --> 0:39:17.600 So we'll give narrator a two GB prize pack. All right, 0:39:17.680 --> 0:39:22.000 narrator get a consolation prize. But the grunter wasn't her. 0:39:22.239 --> 0:39:24.680 It wasn't her. One three one eight seven three. We'll 0:39:24.680 --> 0:39:27.080 take a break and we'll recalibrate and come back with 0:39:27.080 --> 0:39:31.359 something a little more substantial. Okay. Now, I'm just gonna 0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:32.839 say we're going to give a two GB prize pack 0:39:32.840 --> 0:39:35.240 away to the I was a k a little earlier, 0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:36.840 was it? Who was it that just got that from 0:39:37.400 --> 0:39:40.799 from the Inner West? Sorry narrator yep. So I'll tell 0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:41.880 you what we're going to do. Narrat We're going to 0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:43.680 give you a Tarronga pack anyway. Okay, so you get 0:39:43.719 --> 0:39:46.279 the family pass to Taronga Zoo. We've got another one 0:39:46.320 --> 0:39:48.960 when we get the actual answer tomorrow. No more, cause 0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:52.080 we'll deal with the grunters tomorrow. And someone Steve said, oh, 0:39:52.120 --> 0:39:54.359 was there mail grunts? Yeah, there's mail grunters. That might 0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:55.759 be one for next week. We're going to have guess 0:39:55.840 --> 0:39:58.040 the heat grunter. We've got all of that for you 0:39:58.120 --> 0:40:00.920 next week. But today, being Torono Giving Day, let's give 0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:02.680 one of these way anyway. So it happens to be 0:40:02.719 --> 0:40:05.400 World Environment Day as well. Today the Zoo aiming to 0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:08.239 raise money for their brand new Taronga Wildlife Hospital. I 0:40:08.239 --> 0:40:10.799 heard Mark talking about that earlier. The current hospital is 0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:13.720 fifty years old, you see, and it's operating way beyond 0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:15.600 what it was built to manage, taking in one hundred 0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:18.479 and twenty five animals each month. So on Taronga Giving Day, 0:40:18.920 --> 0:40:21.680 they're asking for our support to raise that final three 0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:24.600 percent of cash that's needed for the project. I'm sure 0:40:24.600 --> 0:40:27.319 we'll get there. Not only that, all donations made today 0:40:27.320 --> 0:40:31.480 will be quadrupled by some very very generous and kind sponsors. 0:40:31.760 --> 0:40:35.799 So the new hospital will provide expanded surgical, rehabilitation and 0:40:35.880 --> 0:40:38.839 quarantine facilities to meet the growing demand. And it will 0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:43.399 include a marine recovery center, modern surgical facilities, and an 0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:46.279 intensive care unit and rehab spaces and a whole stack 0:40:46.360 --> 0:40:48.480 more so it'll be state of the art. You can donate, 0:40:48.520 --> 0:40:51.239 by the way, by visiting give dot dot org dot 0:40:51.280 --> 0:40:53.759 a year as we mentioned earlier, but one of those 0:40:53.800 --> 0:40:57.680 family passes coming away narrative one three one eight seven three. Okay, 0:40:57.719 --> 0:40:59.800 right on quarter past one. As I said earlier, I 0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:02.080 want to look at an issue today. It is often 0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:06.200 pushed to the side because of just how combative, confrontational 0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:08.600 and upsetting an issue it can be. And that is 0:41:08.640 --> 0:41:13.440 the world of child and family support. Now. As it stands, 0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:16.160 more than one point two million separated parents have child 0:41:16.239 --> 0:41:20.720 support arrangements and it's for around a million children. About 0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:24.799 eighty four percent of parents receiving payments are women. But 0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:29.240 according to a new report from the Commonwealth Ombudsman, thirty 0:41:29.239 --> 0:41:32.680 two percent of complaints about the child support scheme claim 0:41:33.120 --> 0:41:38.600 it is being weaponized by ex partners. Now, if that 0:41:38.719 --> 0:41:41.080 was one or two percent, you think, okay, that's a glitch. 0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:43.839 Thirty two percent of complaints say that it has been 0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:47.200 weaponized by ex partners. Clearly there's a problem now. The 0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:50.160 report also found that thousands of parents simply aren't being 0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:53.240 paid support. In fact, one hundred and fifty three thousand 0:41:53.880 --> 0:41:58.480 have a combined one point nine billion dollars in unpaid 0:41:59.160 --> 0:42:04.480 child so now, the report from the Ombunsman calls out 0:42:04.520 --> 0:42:07.960 Services Australia for not using its powers to stop this 0:42:08.040 --> 0:42:10.560 from happening. I wanted to speak to Professor k Cook. 0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:13.160 Kay's an Associate Dean in Research at the School of 0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:16.759 Social Sciences, Media, Film and Education at Swinburne University. She's 0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:18.600 with me on the line, K. Thank you for your time. 0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:20.600 I appreciate it, no problem. 0:42:20.719 --> 0:42:22.640 I thought I'd want to tarroong the prize pack for 0:42:22.640 --> 0:42:24.959 a minute. Oh yeah, thinking this is going really well. 0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:26.880 We why not? I'm sure, I'm sure we're going to 0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:29.400 rage that. Let's get through this verst though. Hey, I 0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:31.440 mean it's a very serious issue. And now I was 0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:34.120 reading about this report, I was taken aback by just 0:42:34.160 --> 0:42:37.680 how much money is being withheld by one partner or 0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:39.879 another in the system. I mean, you know what, did 0:42:39.920 --> 0:42:43.360 I say? One point nine billion dollars. That's a stonking 0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:44.840 sum of cash. 0:42:44.880 --> 0:42:49.440 And that's only for the fifty percent of the caseload 0:42:49.760 --> 0:42:55.160 that transfers these payments via Services Australia. The other fifty 0:42:55.200 --> 0:42:59.280 percent of the caseload transfer payments by a bank transfer 0:42:59.520 --> 0:43:02.760 or in an envelope or cash in the kid's backpack 0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:06.000 when they travel back and forth between houses. We have 0:43:06.600 --> 0:43:09.719 no idea how much money is or isn't paid in 0:43:09.760 --> 0:43:15.440 that system, and it's likely to be sometimes that private 0:43:15.480 --> 0:43:19.360 transfers can work perfectly. We're not talking about sort of 0:43:19.360 --> 0:43:24.200 a sixty ish percent of the caseload where there's no problem. 0:43:24.239 --> 0:43:28.680 But so that's thirty percent that private system can be 0:43:28.840 --> 0:43:32.440 used to say yes, absolutely, I'll pay you money and 0:43:32.560 --> 0:43:36.600 never pay them and there's no recourse all right. 0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:39.480 Now, Look, it's a system I have no familiarity with. 0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:42.920 Thank goodness, I've been fortunate. My parents were happily married, 0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:44.560 they raise my brother and I my wife and I 0:43:44.680 --> 0:43:47.400 happily married, we're raising our daughter. We don't have need 0:43:47.440 --> 0:43:51.000 to delve into this, but clearly many many people do. 0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:54.640 And as we said, the whole system need not be 0:43:54.680 --> 0:43:58.120 about animosity and whatever. I mean, the majority of cases 0:43:58.160 --> 0:44:00.400 it works. Well, it's the conduit to make sure that 0:44:00.800 --> 0:44:04.200 both contribute financially to the upbringing of the child. And 0:44:04.239 --> 0:44:06.960 so that's completely appropriate. But when you look at the 0:44:07.000 --> 0:44:08.879 thirty odd percent, I mean, that is a very big 0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:11.680 percentage that are saying now this is being weaponized, now 0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:15.359 that it can be a loaded term. So when we 0:44:15.400 --> 0:44:17.840 say weaponized, what are we really talking. 0:44:17.600 --> 0:44:23.000 About here, Well, it's many things. So first of all, 0:44:23.040 --> 0:44:28.080 that thirty percent figure almost identically matches the Australian Institute 0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:30.960 of Family Studies a report that came out on the 0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:35.759 same day about the incidence of people using violence men 0:44:35.880 --> 0:44:39.359 using violence in intimate partner relationships. It's one in three 0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:43.560 when the opportunity is for physical violence, and control that 0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:48.880 goes along with that in relationships ends when they separate. 0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:54.799 Financial control is a really great means of continuing that 0:44:54.960 --> 0:45:01.920 control and violence against someone remotely. And women who receive 0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:05.480 family tax benefits for their children are compelled to enter 0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:10.319 the child support system. So it's the compulsory engagement in this, 0:45:11.120 --> 0:45:15.040 and then it relies on both parents submitting tax returns, 0:45:15.440 --> 0:45:20.320 accurate tax returns, women receiving family tax benefit. The government 0:45:20.400 --> 0:45:23.920 pays really close attention to that. You can't receive family 0:45:23.960 --> 0:45:26.560 tax benefits if you're not lodging a tax return or 0:45:26.560 --> 0:45:29.480 if they think you're minimizing your income, the government's not 0:45:29.520 --> 0:45:33.200 going to give you benefits. But for the paying parents, 0:45:33.239 --> 0:45:37.399 particularly if they're self employed or they have business structures, 0:45:37.840 --> 0:45:42.719 it's much more available to them to not lodge returns, 0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:46.680 and we see sometimes it's decades people not lodging returns, 0:45:47.960 --> 0:45:51.120 or they can minimize sorrow in my jobs. Of course, 0:45:51.160 --> 0:45:53.360 the posts coming right at the same time, and the 0:45:53.440 --> 0:45:59.680 dogs are going bananas. Now it's much easier for payers 0:46:00.200 --> 0:46:05.240 support to use their business structures to delay tax returns, 0:46:05.360 --> 0:46:10.400 to minimize payments, to move money into their business to 0:46:10.520 --> 0:46:14.239 make it look like their income is very small, so 0:46:14.280 --> 0:46:17.000 that then they don't need to pay as much tax. 0:46:17.080 --> 0:46:20.560 But they also then aren't contributing money that they have 0:46:20.880 --> 0:46:25.920 to their own children. So it's both tax evasions through 0:46:25.960 --> 0:46:30.400 often through legal means, though legally using business arrangements to 0:46:30.440 --> 0:46:35.719 minimize your taxes, but it's also minimizing the support to 0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:36.720 their own children. 0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:40.000 Yes, well that's the end result, isn't okay? But I 0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:41.600 don't know if the report does this or not. But 0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:44.319 does the report try to find the or identify the 0:46:44.360 --> 0:46:46.759 catalyst for some of this tax evasion, because I mean, 0:46:47.040 --> 0:46:49.440 obviously it seems to be that a lot of the 0:46:49.520 --> 0:46:52.920 victims of this process are the mother or the women 0:46:53.040 --> 0:46:57.960 in the relationship. But some of the men listening would 0:46:57.960 --> 0:47:01.280 say to me, well, look, you know, my ex wife 0:47:01.760 --> 0:47:05.200 denies me access to my child, so this is my 0:47:05.440 --> 0:47:08.960 way of payback, I suppose or something. All right, well 0:47:09.000 --> 0:47:12.319 I'll get them in the pocket. I mean, is the 0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:15.880 catalyst identified for why some of this is happening. 0:47:17.000 --> 0:47:21.040 This all goes back to two thousand and five, when 0:47:21.160 --> 0:47:24.680 or two thousand and three there was an inquiry brought 0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:28.279 in by the Howard government. Changes came in OVERSUS two 0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:31.000 thousand and six to two thousand and eight, and then 0:47:31.080 --> 0:47:34.280 that's continued on. But that's the system we've got now. 0:47:34.960 --> 0:47:40.120 It sets parents against each other. Every little, every dollar, 0:47:40.440 --> 0:47:44.600 every night of overnight care can be weaponized. Every dollar 0:47:44.719 --> 0:47:50.200 feeds into the system. The proportion that each parent has 0:47:50.520 --> 0:47:54.000 of caring for children feeds in and that's used to 0:47:54.040 --> 0:47:58.000 calculate the amount to be paid. So the more overnight 0:47:58.080 --> 0:48:01.799 care you have, the less you need to contribute as 0:48:01.800 --> 0:48:05.520 a cash contribution, and the more ur earn relative to 0:48:05.560 --> 0:48:09.440 the other parents. Then each parent gets a self support 0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:12.399 amount and the rest is used to calculate, well, then 0:48:12.440 --> 0:48:16.480 what's children share of that money. So we've created this 0:48:16.560 --> 0:48:20.399 system that can be weaponized. Every dollar and every night 0:48:20.480 --> 0:48:23.400 can be fought over to the death and when For 0:48:23.520 --> 0:48:26.400 a lot of people it works fine, But for people 0:48:26.520 --> 0:48:32.120 where they're looking for those leavers to exert control. Our 0:48:32.200 --> 0:48:36.759 research has found that payments are most often withheld or 0:48:36.840 --> 0:48:40.040 can be most often be held right before Christmas, right 0:48:40.080 --> 0:48:44.080 before the children's birthdays, right before school starts, so that 0:48:44.239 --> 0:48:47.440 it's the resonant parent who's eighty four percent of the times, 0:48:47.480 --> 0:48:51.480 the mother that it looks bad to their children. They 0:48:51.520 --> 0:48:54.040 couldn't buy them a Christmas present, they couldn't buy them 0:48:54.080 --> 0:48:57.239 new school shoes or write books, they couldn't get them 0:48:57.239 --> 0:49:02.520 a birthday present. Nor haven't party used by some parents 0:49:03.280 --> 0:49:07.359 to cause harm to their ex partner and through that 0:49:07.480 --> 0:49:09.120 cause harm to their own children. 0:49:10.280 --> 0:49:13.360 I don't understand how anyone could cause harm to their child, 0:49:13.480 --> 0:49:16.320 even if they completely fell out of love with their 0:49:16.400 --> 0:49:20.040 wife or husband. But again I'm just fortunate, I suppose 0:49:20.040 --> 0:49:22.799 in that respect. When we talk about financial abuse, I mean, 0:49:22.840 --> 0:49:25.120 we've outlined some of what goes on, but is the 0:49:25.200 --> 0:49:27.520 report I think made clear it's not just the not 0:49:27.640 --> 0:49:29.719 making of payments, as you said, it's the lying to 0:49:29.760 --> 0:49:35.440 reduce income and there are other techniques that are being utilized. 0:49:35.440 --> 0:49:36.880 All of this has come up in the report, but 0:49:37.360 --> 0:49:39.840 it does seem the Obmuinsman's report was pretty scathing of 0:49:39.880 --> 0:49:42.680 Services Australia. Now they administer the scheme, do they not? 0:49:43.080 --> 0:49:45.840 But the argument is they're not using the available powers 0:49:45.880 --> 0:49:47.040 to them to stop the abuse. 0:49:47.960 --> 0:49:55.120 It's a really multifaceted problem. So the tax onwardsmen released 0:49:55.120 --> 0:49:58.560 a report a couple of months ago that the Tax 0:49:58.600 --> 0:50:01.960 Office is really central implicated in this as well, where 0:50:02.000 --> 0:50:06.360 they see people with income so low that they'd qualify 0:50:06.520 --> 0:50:10.320 for Centillink benefits, but they're not claiming centill Link benefits. 0:50:10.800 --> 0:50:14.960 That's a red flag that if these are child support parents, 0:50:15.800 --> 0:50:20.480 they're likely minimizing their income to avoid pay. Then there's 0:50:20.960 --> 0:50:25.080 services in Australia just lets people ring up and estimate 0:50:25.120 --> 0:50:29.120 their income. Because the systems built on this sort of 0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:32.880 white picket fence view of people in full time waged 0:50:32.960 --> 0:50:35.919 employment that doesn't change over the course of the year. 0:50:36.719 --> 0:50:41.880 That's not how people work anymore. The gig economy, casualization 0:50:43.000 --> 0:50:47.520 incomes do change, so paying parents sometimes they're able to 0:50:47.560 --> 0:50:52.359 afford their annual child support amount, sometimes they're not. So 0:50:52.400 --> 0:50:55.800 the system lets parents ring up and say, oh my 0:50:55.800 --> 0:50:58.400 my income's not going to be two thousand dollars anymore 0:50:58.520 --> 0:51:01.839 this month it's actually dropped to two hundred dollars, and 0:51:01.960 --> 0:51:06.319 Services Australia takes that often with no evidence and the 0:51:06.440 --> 0:51:09.080 kicker is so going right back to the beginning where 0:51:09.080 --> 0:51:11.960 I said that fifty percent of the case load just 0:51:12.040 --> 0:51:17.719 receive cash payments privately, that income that they're meant to 0:51:17.760 --> 0:51:22.240 get in child support is used to reduce their family 0:51:22.320 --> 0:51:26.120 tax payments. So every dollar of child report you get 0:51:26.120 --> 0:51:29.520 fifty cents less of family tax benefits. So the fifty 0:51:29.520 --> 0:51:33.040 percent who just get at cash in hand, the government 0:51:33.120 --> 0:51:36.920 assumes that every single dollar of expected child support is paid, 0:51:37.520 --> 0:51:40.200 whether or not it is. And the real kicker is 0:51:40.880 --> 0:51:44.520 say these parents are estimating their incomes, not lodging tax 0:51:44.560 --> 0:51:47.440 returns for a decade. That can go on for years 0:51:47.440 --> 0:51:51.040 and years and years. Ten years later, often when the 0:51:51.120 --> 0:51:54.839 child turns eighteen, the parent will lodge all of their 0:51:54.880 --> 0:51:58.960 tax returns. Instead of having to pay say one hundred 0:51:59.000 --> 0:52:01.719 dollars a month in child support, they really should have 0:52:01.719 --> 0:52:06.120 been paying a thousand dollars a month retrospectively, so for 0:52:06.160 --> 0:52:11.680 a decade Services Australia. The legislation says that Services Australia 0:52:11.719 --> 0:52:16.000 retrospectively recalculates all of their child support. So now they've 0:52:16.040 --> 0:52:19.640 been overpaid family tax benefits even though they didn't know 0:52:19.680 --> 0:52:22.359 they were meant to collect that money, and so now 0:52:22.400 --> 0:52:26.000 they are the government and the government will vigorously pursue them. 0:52:26.200 --> 0:52:28.480 All right, Well, we get Services Australia on the program 0:52:28.520 --> 0:52:30.799 on a semi regular basis. I might ask them some 0:52:30.840 --> 0:52:33.080 of those questions when we next speak to them. Just finally, 0:52:33.120 --> 0:52:35.480 as you can appreciate, as we're speaking and I speak, 0:52:35.920 --> 0:52:38.480 I interview you because i have no authority in this 0:52:38.520 --> 0:52:41.600 space at all. I'm flying blind. We're getting a lot 0:52:41.600 --> 0:52:43.360 of feedback come in, as you can appreciate, being a 0:52:43.360 --> 0:52:47.120 live radio show. Now, some people are saying, well, okay, 0:52:47.480 --> 0:52:50.880 let's say I'm a father and the marriage has fallen apart. 0:52:51.120 --> 0:52:54.440 I'm willing to obviously support the child or children from 0:52:54.440 --> 0:52:56.600 a different location now and I've moved on and she's 0:52:56.600 --> 0:52:59.759 moved on or whatever. But I've got evidence that the 0:52:59.840 --> 0:53:02.200 money I'm giving isn't really being spent on my child. 0:53:02.400 --> 0:53:04.480 It's being pocketed by my ex wife and she's going 0:53:04.520 --> 0:53:07.239 and buying nic shoes with it or something. Now, what 0:53:07.320 --> 0:53:10.200 happens in those circumstances, because again, the temptation would be 0:53:10.239 --> 0:53:12.200 to withhold the cash and they will look more than 0:53:12.239 --> 0:53:14.160 happy to support the child, but there's no evidence the 0:53:14.200 --> 0:53:17.080 child's getting it. So you know, I don't want to 0:53:17.080 --> 0:53:20.680 prop up my ex so's the's what happens there? How 0:53:20.680 --> 0:53:22.840 does Services Australia come in there? I mean, what do 0:53:22.880 --> 0:53:24.160 you do well? 0:53:24.920 --> 0:53:28.600 How the money is spent is not part of the 0:53:28.680 --> 0:53:29.919 calculations at all. 0:53:30.520 --> 0:53:33.759 That are probably a problem, isn't it well? 0:53:33.760 --> 0:53:38.080 At a population levels, studies by the Australian Stittitutor, Family 0:53:38.160 --> 0:53:42.359 Studies and others shows that when women receive income, they're 0:53:42.480 --> 0:53:47.080 more likely to spend it on their basic needs things 0:53:47.120 --> 0:53:51.640 for the children like clothes, books, whatever. Also, single parents 0:53:51.640 --> 0:53:56.200 are Australia's most impoverished family type. There's not a single 0:53:56.360 --> 0:53:59.719 house they could afford on the average income of the 0:53:59.760 --> 0:54:05.919 single parent. These are not typically people living extravagant lifestyles. 0:54:06.080 --> 0:54:12.640 Every single dollar goes to food, heat, housing, children's clothes, books, school, 0:54:12.920 --> 0:54:16.360 That's what the evidence, the data says. There is always 0:54:16.440 --> 0:54:20.480 going to be outliers, particularly when you're talking at higher incomes. 0:54:21.160 --> 0:54:25.200 But the evidence doesn't support that women are the fastest 0:54:25.239 --> 0:54:29.120 growing group of homeless people in Australia. That's true because 0:54:29.160 --> 0:54:29.960 of things like this. 0:54:31.560 --> 0:54:35.000 True. Look, it's very instructive to speak. The conversation, I 0:54:35.000 --> 0:54:36.799 guess to a degree has only just begun. As I said, 0:54:36.800 --> 0:54:38.920 when we next week to Services Australia. Will we'll put 0:54:38.960 --> 0:54:40.960 a couple of these questions to them from their point 0:54:41.000 --> 0:54:43.120 of view as well. Thank you for shining a bit 0:54:43.120 --> 0:54:45.040 of light in this space, Kay, I do appreciate it. 0:54:45.440 --> 0:54:45.960 No problem. 0:54:46.560 --> 0:54:48.120 I'll let you go and grab that mail now, all right, 0:54:50.360 --> 0:54:52.759 take care. Thank you, Professor Kay krkssas your dean of 0:54:52.800 --> 0:54:56.080 Research at Swinburne University. Now is it? That is an 0:54:56.080 --> 0:54:58.120 issue I know very little about because I've never had 0:54:58.160 --> 0:54:59.840 to intersect with it, and I'm very grateful that's the 0:54:59.840 --> 0:55:02.560 ca But I appreciate for many of you listening, this 0:55:02.719 --> 0:55:05.920 is real. This might be your lived experience and judging 0:55:05.960 --> 0:55:09.160 off the averages the numbers, for most people, you just 0:55:09.200 --> 0:55:11.239 make it work. You know that you've fallen out of 0:55:11.239 --> 0:55:13.520 love with the ex or whatever it is, but you 0:55:13.600 --> 0:55:15.960 both still love the children and you appreciate. Okay, to 0:55:16.040 --> 0:55:18.480 raise a child, it's an expensive business. And I've got 0:55:18.520 --> 0:55:20.160 an income and she's got an income or whatever it 0:55:20.200 --> 0:55:22.239 happens to be, and okay, we both contribute, we do 0:55:22.280 --> 0:55:24.680 our best, and we do it as amicably as possible. 0:55:24.680 --> 0:55:26.920 And in sixty percent of cases it seems that's the 0:55:26.960 --> 0:55:29.160 way it works. And that's good, but clearly in a 0:55:29.160 --> 0:55:32.879 lot of circumstances it's not working. It's not working that way, 0:55:32.920 --> 0:55:35.920 it's not working at all. The children are obviously the 0:55:35.920 --> 0:55:39.440 ones that are missing out, and there are multitude of 0:55:39.480 --> 0:55:41.680 reasons for that. Now you might wish to comment on that. 0:55:41.680 --> 0:55:43.319 I'm happy to hear from you. I'm already seeing, as 0:55:43.360 --> 0:55:46.120 I said, some texts coming through and trying to put 0:55:46.120 --> 0:55:48.080 a few of those de kay as we went live 0:55:48.360 --> 0:55:55.120 one three, one eight seven three. Let's go to the 0:55:55.120 --> 0:55:57.240 news room ereon Margaret Afternoon. 0:55:56.920 --> 0:55:59.520 Good afternoon, Michael. Aaron Patterson has told her trial the 0:55:59.600 --> 0:56:02.279 light please about getting rid of her dehydrator was a 0:56:02.360 --> 0:56:05.720 stupid knee jerk reaction because she was scared. The ABS 0:56:05.719 --> 0:56:09.080 says household spending rows b zero point one percent in April, 0:56:09.280 --> 0:56:12.400 with more spent on recreational and cultural activities, health and 0:56:12.560 --> 0:56:15.840 dining out. The Greens are expressing in principal support for 0:56:15.920 --> 0:56:19.120 Labour's proposed supertacks, but say they still need to negotiate 0:56:19.160 --> 0:56:22.239 the details, including an option to lower the threshold to 0:56:22.320 --> 0:56:25.040 two million dollars. And an eleven year old girl has 0:56:25.120 --> 0:56:27.720 saved her young sister from the path of a runaway 0:56:27.760 --> 0:56:30.800 car which smashed through the window of a restaurant in China. 0:56:31.239 --> 0:56:33.960 It had been heading straight for the toddler before she 0:56:34.080 --> 0:56:37.959 was snatched to safety. In Sport League Imortal, Melmaninger says 0:56:38.000 --> 0:56:41.120 he's close to finalizing a deal to become the inaugural 0:56:41.239 --> 0:56:43.759 coach of the Perth Bears. Maninger will need to step 0:56:43.800 --> 0:56:46.719 down as Australian Test coach, although he wants to have 0:56:46.760 --> 0:56:49.359 a role in this year's Ashes tour of England. And 0:56:49.400 --> 0:56:53.080 there'll be more news at two o'clock on afternoons. 0:56:53.360 --> 0:56:54.720 Oh weather update. 0:56:54.960 --> 0:56:58.000 We'll be here to help in unexpected weather in our 0:56:58.040 --> 0:57:00.920 remainsurance A help company, all right. 0:57:01.200 --> 0:57:04.520 Thirty one past one sunny for Sydney today, top of 0:57:04.560 --> 0:57:08.640 seventeen in Town, eighteen at Penrith and Campbelltown. Sixteen the 0:57:08.640 --> 0:57:11.600 top today for Terry Hill, seventeen pretty much everywhere else. 0:57:11.640 --> 0:57:13.560 Tomorrow a bit of cloud around top of eighteen mostly 0:57:13.560 --> 0:57:16.240 Sunday for Saturday and nineteen the top. Let's see what's 0:57:16.240 --> 0:57:19.320 going to be happening in Canberra today. The suggestion is 0:57:19.360 --> 0:57:22.200 fourteen the max and sunny. Tugernong's the same bit of 0:57:22.240 --> 0:57:24.840 morning frost Tomorrow will be cloudy after that. Top of 0:57:24.880 --> 0:57:28.040 just thirteen, then a max of twelve on Saturday, potentially 0:57:28.080 --> 0:57:32.400 two mill of rain coming through Liftgo thirteen and some 0:57:32.760 --> 0:57:35.000 sunny weather today. Bit of frost earlier that should have 0:57:35.280 --> 0:57:37.360 baked off by now, so I said thirteen the top 0:57:37.520 --> 0:57:40.120 up to fifteen for Mudgie today and bathist Orange just 0:57:40.160 --> 0:57:43.720 twelve eleven at Katombah and sixteen for spring Wood tomorrow. 0:57:43.840 --> 0:57:46.000 Thirteen the top for Lifthgo, bit of frost and then 0:57:46.080 --> 0:57:48.920 cloud after that, then apart the cloudy Saturday, the top 0:57:48.960 --> 0:57:51.160 of just eleven degrees. Now, before we take a break, 0:57:51.880 --> 0:57:55.960 news just threw from the inner Suburbs. I had a 0:57:56.000 --> 0:57:58.640 text just a moment ago from Andy saying that he's 0:57:58.680 --> 0:58:01.040 seen a pedestrian hit by a t in Surrey Hills. 0:58:01.080 --> 0:58:02.960 Now we've just the team that's just spoken to New 0:58:02.960 --> 0:58:05.760 Southal's ambulance and they've told us they've just arrived on 0:58:05.840 --> 0:58:07.960 scene the last ten or so minutes. So Andy, thank 0:58:07.960 --> 0:58:10.880 you for letting us know. This happened on Devonshire Street 0:58:10.880 --> 0:58:14.080 in Surrey Hills. So far it's believed to be a 0:58:14.080 --> 0:58:17.800 man in his thirties or forties. Paramedics are still assessing 0:58:17.800 --> 0:58:20.720 the situation as such, we don't yet have any information 0:58:20.720 --> 0:58:22.640 as to his injuries or the state of play. But 0:58:22.920 --> 0:58:24.160 if you are down there, you can give me a 0:58:24.200 --> 0:58:25.800 call and tell me what you're seeing. One three, one 0:58:25.800 --> 0:58:28.120 eight seven three of till the team off air. It 0:58:28.160 --> 0:58:30.400 does appear as though a pedestrian it could well be 0:58:30.440 --> 0:58:33.400 a man in his thirties or forties, has been struck 0:58:33.440 --> 0:58:37.560 by a tram in Surrey Hills there at Devonshire Street, 0:58:37.560 --> 0:58:39.680 where any further details will bring them to you as 0:58:39.720 --> 0:58:42.240 soon as we possibly can. Steve just mentioned reports of 0:58:42.240 --> 0:58:44.040 an accident there at Mona Vale. I just had to 0:58:44.040 --> 0:58:46.240 call off air from somebody saying a car appears to 0:58:46.280 --> 0:58:48.720 have flipped on Warata Street there at Mona Vale, that's 0:58:48.800 --> 0:58:50.560 in front of the Monavale Public School. I think so 0:58:51.000 --> 0:58:53.920 our person on the scene suggesting that ambulance and fieries 0:58:53.960 --> 0:58:56.080 are on the scene. Traffic already they're really bad in 0:58:56.120 --> 0:58:58.920 both directions, So that looks like what might be happening 0:58:58.960 --> 0:59:02.560 there at Monavil if corresponded as on the money there 0:59:02.560 --> 0:59:06.959 a car appears to have flipped Warreta Street in Mona Vail, 0:59:07.440 --> 0:59:10.160 but the services of their the emergency services are there. 0:59:10.520 --> 0:59:14.080 The feedback about the family support payments is coming through 0:59:14.120 --> 0:59:16.880 thick and fast. A lot of it is very interesting 0:59:16.960 --> 0:59:20.920 reading a lot of it very interesting reading a lot 0:59:20.960 --> 0:59:23.280 of men writing to me saying that the system is 0:59:23.400 --> 0:59:26.960 just not working, not so much in their favor or 0:59:27.000 --> 0:59:29.840 in someone else's favor, that the system is just not working. 0:59:31.640 --> 0:59:34.360 I'll get to some of those later in the program. 0:59:35.360 --> 0:59:37.400 But as I said, a lot of men writing to 0:59:37.440 --> 0:59:41.160 me saying this recently isn't working for us. And they're 0:59:41.160 --> 0:59:43.560 giving me their experiences and what they've paid and the 0:59:43.640 --> 0:59:46.760 lack of time they've been given in return to spend 0:59:46.760 --> 0:59:49.760 with the children. And as I said, I've got no 0:59:49.840 --> 0:59:52.400 expertise in the space at all, thank god, but a 0:59:52.400 --> 0:59:55.120 lot of people do. And maybe it's the ones that 0:59:55.120 --> 0:59:57.600 have had a bad experience that want to talk, because 0:59:57.600 --> 1:00:00.600 for everybody else it's just okay, you move on. Those 1:00:00.600 --> 1:00:03.040 that are talking are saying something's really got to change here. 1:00:03.400 --> 1:00:05.960 Just before we just before we go to Ander and Entertainment, Michael, 1:00:06.000 --> 1:00:08.160 you're out there on the roads and you've spotted a bargain, 1:00:08.200 --> 1:00:08.480 have you? 1:00:09.840 --> 1:00:19.120 I have my friend Metro Wearrington Well ninety five was 1:00:19.200 --> 1:00:22.840 one forty nine points something I can't recall, sorry exactly 1:00:23.320 --> 1:00:26.919 and ninety eight was one sixty nine point seven. 1:00:27.840 --> 1:00:28.640 For ninety eight. 1:00:29.920 --> 1:00:33.360 For ninety eight, I go diesel car. I'm not happy. 1:00:33.640 --> 1:00:38.240 So well, you're a very generous diesel driver to let 1:00:38.240 --> 1:00:40.960 all the petrol drivers know about that. But near me, 1:00:41.360 --> 1:00:43.720 and I've got quite a lot of discount places near me. 1:00:43.760 --> 1:00:45.880 But one of the service stations had I think E 1:00:45.960 --> 1:00:47.960 ten this morning was at two hundred and two. So 1:00:48.040 --> 1:00:49.680 if you can get it for one forty seven point 1:00:49.760 --> 1:00:52.320 five of the Metro Wearrington, fill up the tank. Not 1:00:52.400 --> 1:00:54.240 new Michael, You're on a diesel obviously that did stuff 1:00:54.240 --> 1:00:56.760 you up. But for everybody else, well done. Now, just 1:00:56.800 --> 1:00:58.920 regarding the light rail, just an update here, there are 1:00:58.920 --> 1:01:02.600 no light rail services running between more Park and Central. 1:01:02.680 --> 1:01:05.400 That's due to that incident requiring emergency services at Surrey 1:01:05.440 --> 1:01:08.560 Hills that we spoke about. Light Rail services continue to 1:01:08.640 --> 1:01:12.480 run between Moore Park and Randwick and Moore Park and 1:01:12.560 --> 1:01:16.960 Junior's Kingsford, but passengers are advised to delay their journeys 1:01:17.320 --> 1:01:20.760 or consider an alternative transport option obviously, So just there's 1:01:20.800 --> 1:01:24.080 a consequence obviously because of this incident involving it seems 1:01:24.080 --> 1:01:26.840 a male pedestrian and the light rail, the tram at 1:01:26.920 --> 1:01:30.400 Devonshire Street, Surrey Hills. No light rail services running at 1:01:30.440 --> 1:01:34.160 the moment between Moore Park and Central due to that incident. 1:01:34.200 --> 1:01:36.120 All right, we'll keep you up to date on what's 1:01:36.160 --> 1:01:41.640 happening there throughout the afternoon one, three, one, eight, seven three, 1:01:44.640 --> 1:01:49.160 Now on afternoons screen torch right on twenty to two, 1:01:49.240 --> 1:01:51.200 Bang on the dot. So let's bring it Anna cor 1:01:51.240 --> 1:01:54.960 Day the Entertainment Extraordinary at nine we call this little 1:01:55.000 --> 1:01:55.840 Segmund screen talk. 1:01:55.880 --> 1:01:57.640 Hello, Anna, good afternoon. 1:01:57.960 --> 1:01:59.800 Now, before we get into the meat of it all, 1:01:59.800 --> 1:02:01.960 the Sydney Film Festival that kicked off last night. You 1:02:01.960 --> 1:02:03.760 would have been there on the red carpet strutting your 1:02:03.800 --> 1:02:04.560 stuff note out. 1:02:04.600 --> 1:02:08.160 But well, last night I was actually at Katie Perry, 1:02:08.240 --> 1:02:11.000 I know, but I do have lots of tickets book 1:02:11.080 --> 1:02:14.320 to see films at the Sydney Film Festival. And it is, 1:02:14.360 --> 1:02:18.200 as you say, officially underway, the seventy second Film Festival. 1:02:18.400 --> 1:02:21.360 It's the twelve day event. It runs until June fifteenth. 1:02:21.520 --> 1:02:25.200 So many movies are screening. I'm kind of overwhelmed. I'm 1:02:25.240 --> 1:02:26.800 still trying to pick all of the extra ones that 1:02:26.840 --> 1:02:29.360 I'm going to go see, but like they're across the city. 1:02:29.360 --> 1:02:33.440 But there are new films, award winning films, buzzy films, documentaries, 1:02:33.560 --> 1:02:36.959 foreign films, animated short films, everything that you could want. 1:02:37.200 --> 1:02:40.080 I'm so excited. I'm going to be seeing Sorry, Baby Eddington, 1:02:40.280 --> 1:02:42.400 Life of Chuck. Of the three that I've picked so far, 1:02:42.640 --> 1:02:44.800 still have a few more to pick. But everyone should 1:02:44.840 --> 1:02:47.040 check it out because it's such a great film festival 1:02:47.040 --> 1:02:48.360 to support. So you can have a look at the 1:02:48.360 --> 1:02:51.520 program at SFF dot org dot au. 1:02:51.800 --> 1:02:53.560 Yeah, we'll give a double pass away later for the 1:02:53.560 --> 1:02:54.840 track of the day for that as well as a 1:02:54.840 --> 1:02:57.640 couple of tickets to that. All right, now, the Midday 1:02:57.680 --> 1:02:59.640 Movie This is now what you're going to become most 1:02:59.640 --> 1:03:03.240 famous you see when you retire the Midday Movie review. 1:03:03.800 --> 1:03:08.320 I get no am for this. Now what have we 1:03:08.360 --> 1:03:08.960 got this week? 1:03:09.560 --> 1:03:13.440 We have a film called Steal Your Heart. Now this 1:03:13.520 --> 1:03:17.000 is airing on nine at midday on Friday, So set 1:03:17.400 --> 1:03:18.560 your allah. 1:03:20.840 --> 1:03:22.160 This is airing on nine. 1:03:22.480 --> 1:03:24.600 Yes, this one is airing on nine. I've moved away 1:03:24.720 --> 1:03:28.120 from seven for this week. I thought I compared what 1:03:28.240 --> 1:03:30.720 the offerings were and I think Steal Your Heart is 1:03:30.760 --> 1:03:33.320 the one that everyone should watch because this is a 1:03:33.320 --> 1:03:38.120 feat of cinematography and storytelling. In this film, we meet Melissa. 1:03:38.240 --> 1:03:41.120 She's an amateur jeweler. She gets enlisted by the CEO 1:03:41.240 --> 1:03:44.160 of a huge jewelry company to make a bridle line 1:03:44.160 --> 1:03:46.720 for them. But she won't be working alone. No, she 1:03:46.840 --> 1:03:51.640 has to work with the CEO's super uptight and serious son, Jake. 1:03:52.120 --> 1:03:54.880 Neither are happy about their forced partnership. But if you've 1:03:54.880 --> 1:03:58.120 watched any bad cheesy romance Michael, you will know that 1:03:58.160 --> 1:04:00.800 their time together will lead to much more than just 1:04:00.840 --> 1:04:03.520 a working relationship. And you are going to end up 1:04:03.560 --> 1:04:06.480 with a clogged artery from the sheer volume of cheese 1:04:06.520 --> 1:04:10.520 that you are going to consume watching this movie. So 1:04:10.640 --> 1:04:13.440 don't forget Midday Tomorrow on nine it's unmissible. 1:04:13.520 --> 1:04:18.200 I'll have my fond of bread and gurkins ready, Ready, 1:04:18.760 --> 1:04:20.120 What do you reckon? Out of ten? I mean, how 1:04:20.120 --> 1:04:20.640 good this is? 1:04:21.880 --> 1:04:24.920 Look in the scale. 1:04:24.480 --> 1:04:27.280 Of mid they pay our wages. 1:04:27.440 --> 1:04:27.760 I know. 1:04:28.280 --> 1:04:33.200 Look, I will say, in looking at as a midday movie, 1:04:33.240 --> 1:04:35.360 this is not comparing it to any of the wonderful 1:04:35.360 --> 1:04:37.960 films at the Sydney Film Festival. But I would give 1:04:38.000 --> 1:04:40.320 it a six out of ten for a midday movie. 1:04:40.640 --> 1:04:42.440 Okay, well, let's pass all. 1:04:42.680 --> 1:04:45.040 I think I would say, last week was probably a two. 1:04:46.160 --> 1:04:47.959 So you know, we're making moves. 1:04:47.760 --> 1:04:50.320 And at least for this couple. You know, the engagement 1:04:50.360 --> 1:04:52.520 ring slash wedding ring, which is often a very expensive 1:04:52.560 --> 1:04:56.000 upfront cost that's negible. It was just you know, exactly, 1:04:56.200 --> 1:04:58.920 just wave it off as a text reduction yourself. 1:04:58.920 --> 1:04:59.160 Why not? 1:04:59.280 --> 1:05:02.080 Well quite right now, the movies themselves are the ones 1:05:02.120 --> 1:05:03.880 they actually do make it to a big screen. Karate 1:05:04.000 --> 1:05:05.120 Kid Legends. 1:05:05.080 --> 1:05:07.600 Yes, forty one years ago we learned how to wax 1:05:07.640 --> 1:05:10.200 on and wax off with Ralph Maccio and now he 1:05:10.280 --> 1:05:13.000 is back teaching an audio generation the art of karate 1:05:13.080 --> 1:05:15.960 with a little help from another legend, Jackie Chan. So 1:05:16.040 --> 1:05:19.360 this one, the new film, we follow a new kung 1:05:19.400 --> 1:05:21.720 fu prodigy Lee. He moves to New York City with 1:05:21.760 --> 1:05:24.680 his mum, makes friends with a classmate and her dad. 1:05:24.800 --> 1:05:25.000 You know. 1:05:25.160 --> 1:05:28.360 Of course, a little romance blossoms, but a rival karate 1:05:28.520 --> 1:05:31.560 champion learns of their budding romance and instigates a battle 1:05:31.640 --> 1:05:34.080 between the pair. So, of course Lee has to seek 1:05:34.120 --> 1:05:36.400 guidance from his kung fu teacher, which is Jackie Chan 1:05:36.800 --> 1:05:39.680 and the legendary Karate Kid, to give him the skills 1:05:39.680 --> 1:05:43.040 to come out on top in this epic martial arts showdown. 1:05:43.600 --> 1:05:45.040 So you know what, Look, this is a big hit 1:05:45.080 --> 1:05:49.920 of nostalgia, especially for kind of any millennial or earlier. 1:05:50.360 --> 1:05:52.360 Everyone is going to love that. And then of course, 1:05:52.440 --> 1:05:54.400 you know it's going to open up the franchise to 1:05:54.560 --> 1:05:56.480 a whole new generation as well. I mean, I've got 1:05:56.520 --> 1:05:59.520 two nephews who are purple belts in karate and they 1:05:59.560 --> 1:06:01.640 are absolutely going to love this movie. 1:06:01.680 --> 1:06:05.240 Don't mess with them, Okay, Ballerina, yes. 1:06:05.120 --> 1:06:08.320 Look very different fighting style in this film. This is 1:06:08.400 --> 1:06:11.680 a you know, a spinoff of the john Wick franchise. 1:06:12.160 --> 1:06:14.480 This time it's headed up by Anna de Armas. So 1:06:14.560 --> 1:06:18.360 Ballerina takes place between Movie three movie four. Movie four 1:06:18.440 --> 1:06:20.720 was the last one that just came out a couple 1:06:20.720 --> 1:06:23.080 of years ago. So Eve is in training to be 1:06:23.120 --> 1:06:25.760 an assassin with the Rusca Roma and she's haunted by 1:06:25.800 --> 1:06:28.560 her childhood where she witnessed men kill her dad. So 1:06:28.760 --> 1:06:31.640 armed with her new killer skills, she naturally is out 1:06:31.680 --> 1:06:34.960 for blood and revenge. It's a decent spinoff movie. It's 1:06:34.960 --> 1:06:37.800 no you know, Keanu Reeves led john Wick film, but 1:06:37.840 --> 1:06:40.600 he does make a cameo. But I do think fans 1:06:40.640 --> 1:06:42.640 of the franchise. I think they'll be pretty happy with 1:06:42.680 --> 1:06:45.800 this output. It's bloody, it's violent. Ana de Armas is 1:06:45.880 --> 1:06:47.439 kicking some serious but all. 1:06:47.360 --> 1:06:49.640 Right now, al Pacino's back in The Ritual. 1:06:50.400 --> 1:06:53.600 Yeah, The Ritual is one of the other two films 1:06:53.600 --> 1:06:56.600 that are out this week. I don't know why al 1:06:56.640 --> 1:07:00.840 Pacino agreed to make The Ritual, to be honest, I mean, well, 1:07:01.080 --> 1:07:03.160 I do know why. It's because he's Yeah, he's got 1:07:03.240 --> 1:07:05.000 child support to pay now that he's got a baby. 1:07:05.840 --> 1:07:08.280 But I would not be going to see The Ritual. 1:07:08.320 --> 1:07:11.480 It is a bad exorcism movie. He plays a priest. 1:07:12.160 --> 1:07:14.400 I don't need to explain anything else. The other film 1:07:14.400 --> 1:07:16.520 that is out, though, the great Lilian Hall. I would 1:07:16.520 --> 1:07:20.040 probably go and give that one. I would see that. 1:07:20.040 --> 1:07:22.960 That's Jessica Lang, Pierce Brosn and Kathy Bates, a great 1:07:23.000 --> 1:07:26.160 drama about an aging Broadway actress. But yeah, skip the 1:07:26.160 --> 1:07:28.800 al Pacino movie. Oh okay, I can't believe I'm saying that. 1:07:29.000 --> 1:07:32.000 I probably would anyway. Now let's go to the streaming 1:07:32.000 --> 1:07:35.120 services on stan The City is ours, Yes. 1:07:35.000 --> 1:07:36.800 This one is out today. The Brits are back with 1:07:36.840 --> 1:07:39.200 a new crime drama, this time Sean Bean is at 1:07:39.200 --> 1:07:41.040 the Helm, So, I mean, how could you give that 1:07:41.080 --> 1:07:43.520 a miss it? That's Sean Bean. He is playing a 1:07:43.520 --> 1:07:46.880 cocaine smuggling gangster Ronnie Feelin. He's decided it's time to 1:07:46.880 --> 1:07:49.240 wrap up his life of crime and retire. That trig 1:07:49.320 --> 1:07:51.120 is a bit of a power struggle between his business 1:07:51.120 --> 1:07:54.200 partner Michael and his son Jamie. Michael also has another 1:07:54.200 --> 1:07:56.760 spanner in the works. He's fallen in love. Everything is 1:07:56.800 --> 1:07:59.400 now at stake, and a big shipment of cocaine goes 1:07:59.400 --> 1:08:02.280 missing and their empire is under attack. It's a great 1:08:02.320 --> 1:08:04.880 eight part series. All episodes are on stand today and 1:08:04.920 --> 1:08:06.880 it's already been renewed for a second season. So that 1:08:06.920 --> 1:08:07.760 means you know what's good. 1:08:07.800 --> 1:08:09.520 Yeah, that's going to be all right now. The Survivors 1:08:09.560 --> 1:08:10.320 is on Netflix. 1:08:10.800 --> 1:08:13.800 Yes, this is their new Ouzsi mystery drama. So this 1:08:13.840 --> 1:08:15.960 one is adapted from the great Jane Harper novel of 1:08:16.000 --> 1:08:18.240 the same name. You know Jane, She's the author of 1:08:18.360 --> 1:08:20.560 The Dry This one is set in Tazzy and The 1:08:20.600 --> 1:08:23.760 Survivors follows Kieran Elliott who's back in his hometown after 1:08:23.800 --> 1:08:27.040 fifteen years. You know, he left because this terrible storm 1:08:27.120 --> 1:08:30.080 killed three people he's been escaping, is passed for a 1:08:30.120 --> 1:08:32.680 long time, but when a young woman is murdered, he 1:08:32.840 --> 1:08:35.840 is forced to face and reconcile his past. This is 1:08:35.840 --> 1:08:37.920 a big Aussie cast, It's a big Aussie production, all 1:08:37.920 --> 1:08:40.760 filmed in Tazzy as well. I personally loved the book. 1:08:40.800 --> 1:08:42.400 So this is top of the list for me for 1:08:42.439 --> 1:08:44.439 this week and it will be out tomorrow. 1:08:44.720 --> 1:08:46.639 Okay. Lucky they filmed it when they did, because you'd 1:08:46.640 --> 1:08:48.879 have all those political call flutes going up in the background. 1:08:48.880 --> 1:08:51.639 I think they're often have another note down there exactly. 1:08:51.760 --> 1:08:55.320 Apple TV, have you got a thing called stick Stick? 1:08:55.560 --> 1:08:55.760 Yes? 1:08:55.840 --> 1:08:57.960 This is a quick comedy to round out the week. 1:08:58.240 --> 1:09:00.680 This one comes from the always great Owen Wilson. He 1:09:00.680 --> 1:09:04.000 plays a watched up former pro golfer who was truly 1:09:04.240 --> 1:09:06.400 run out of luck in life. Things ain't going great, 1:09:06.920 --> 1:09:09.840 but that is until he discovers a teenager prodigy who 1:09:09.920 --> 1:09:11.960 might just be his ticket to get his life back 1:09:12.000 --> 1:09:14.040 on track. This one's a bit of fun. It's a 1:09:14.040 --> 1:09:16.400 surprising amount of heart and emotion in it once it 1:09:16.400 --> 1:09:19.800 gets going. I will just say the first episode I 1:09:19.960 --> 1:09:22.880 wasn't totally convinced about the series, but because I love Owen, 1:09:22.920 --> 1:09:26.080 I gave it another episode to get me convinced, and 1:09:26.160 --> 1:09:29.400 it absolutely did. By episode two, things really get picked 1:09:29.439 --> 1:09:31.320 up and going. By then it's not a total hole 1:09:31.320 --> 1:09:34.360 in one, but it's an easy watch. And you know 1:09:34.439 --> 1:09:37.040 Owen Wilson, he's so charismatic and charming that you'll stick 1:09:37.040 --> 1:09:39.320 around just for him. And that one's streaming now. 1:09:39.439 --> 1:09:41.960 Okay, Now, Mitch on the text by the way, says, Anna, 1:09:42.200 --> 1:09:44.720 your thoughts on the movie Baby Dolan nicold Kid, and 1:09:44.760 --> 1:09:45.639 I thought it was weird. 1:09:45.720 --> 1:09:47.240 He says, Yeah. 1:09:47.280 --> 1:09:49.639 I did review this one when it came out earlier 1:09:49.680 --> 1:09:53.519 this year, and I agree. I don't think it totally 1:09:53.640 --> 1:09:56.200 hit the message that it was maybe trying to hit, 1:09:56.280 --> 1:10:00.360 and maybe all of the sex stuff, kind of the 1:10:00.400 --> 1:10:03.840 water six stuff. Yeah, I don't need to explain it 1:10:03.880 --> 1:10:04.400 more than that. 1:10:06.240 --> 1:10:06.960 You should see it. 1:10:07.560 --> 1:10:11.360 Well, it didn't give it a great sort of when 1:10:11.360 --> 1:10:12.000 you first did this. 1:10:12.160 --> 1:10:14.920 It is such a polarizing film though I know people 1:10:14.920 --> 1:10:17.280 who absolutely loved it, and then there are people like 1:10:17.360 --> 1:10:21.120 me who were just like, what, so, maybe maybe you 1:10:21.200 --> 1:10:24.360 will love it is I would know it's not fifty 1:10:24.400 --> 1:10:26.920 Shades of Gray. I wouldn't put it as that, but 1:10:27.240 --> 1:10:27.880 it's still weird. 1:10:28.000 --> 1:10:29.160 Different sort of sex stuff. 1:10:29.240 --> 1:10:30.439 Yeah, different sex stuff. 1:10:30.520 --> 1:10:33.519 Okay, all right, I still won't see it. All right, 1:10:33.520 --> 1:10:36.800 thank you Anna, I think, hey, you're lost, Oka watch 1:10:36.840 --> 1:10:39.200 steel your heart instead. I reckon that'll be an absolute cracker. 1:10:39.320 --> 1:10:41.360 All right, all the best, thank you, catch it next week. 1:10:41.640 --> 1:10:42.559 Thank you, all the best. 1:10:42.560 --> 1:10:45.040 BUYO the one of Lanta Corde with screen talk one 1:10:45.080 --> 1:10:48.280 three one eight seven three more after this. As I said, 1:10:48.479 --> 1:10:50.320 a lot of feedback still coming in. Read the child 1:10:50.400 --> 1:10:53.559 support situation and people talking from their lived experience here. 1:10:54.120 --> 1:10:56.160 One look. I won't to attach names to it, just 1:10:56.200 --> 1:10:59.519 in case, but one text says the child support system's broken. 1:10:59.760 --> 1:11:02.680 I've been paying child support since twenty fifteen. Early on 1:11:02.720 --> 1:11:05.720 in the breakup, my partner refused me visitation and due 1:11:05.760 --> 1:11:09.200 to that, my child support sky rocketed up. There seems 1:11:09.200 --> 1:11:11.840 to be again. I don't know the system intimately, but 1:11:11.880 --> 1:11:17.360 my understanding is that the more care is given to 1:11:17.760 --> 1:11:21.519 let's say the mother, the more time they're obliged to 1:11:21.560 --> 1:11:24.000 look after the child or whatever the terminology is, the 1:11:24.120 --> 1:11:29.160 higher the financial compensation. So if there's a please correct 1:11:29.200 --> 1:11:31.360 me if I'm wrong. But my understanding is if let's 1:11:31.400 --> 1:11:33.360 let's say the father says the guy I want fifty 1:11:33.360 --> 1:11:36.400 to fifty, but isn't granted that let's say it's ninety 1:11:36.439 --> 1:11:38.960 ten or eighty twenty, as might be the case a 1:11:39.000 --> 1:11:43.880 lot financially. That is also reflected in the support. So 1:11:44.000 --> 1:11:46.439 the more care that is given by the other partner, 1:11:46.479 --> 1:11:49.479 the higher the payment they get, generally speaking from the 1:11:49.560 --> 1:11:54.680 individual who doesn't have as much care duty, even if 1:11:54.680 --> 1:11:58.360 they are seeking greater care duty. So I think this 1:11:58.400 --> 1:11:59.560 is where a lot of people say, hang on the 1:11:59.560 --> 1:12:03.280 systems mill to be blunt, bugget another one here says, 1:12:03.400 --> 1:12:05.439 look like you, I've got no skin in the game. 1:12:06.479 --> 1:12:10.639 But he says, here, we're dealing here with child support, 1:12:10.720 --> 1:12:15.240 not spousal support. And when you know that this is 1:12:15.280 --> 1:12:17.400 one of the distinctions that often needs to be made 1:12:17.479 --> 1:12:19.960 that as someone wrote to me earlier saying, look, and 1:12:20.040 --> 1:12:22.679 I don't begrudge at all giving everything to my child, 1:12:22.680 --> 1:12:24.439 but when I see the money go to my wife, 1:12:24.800 --> 1:12:27.880 my ex wife, and there's no evidence it's filtering through 1:12:27.880 --> 1:12:31.360 to my child, that I've got a problem if essentially 1:12:31.400 --> 1:12:36.120 propping up financially my ex wife. I'm not making comment 1:12:36.160 --> 1:12:37.479 on any of that, but I think if I was 1:12:37.479 --> 1:12:39.400 in that same position, I have a knows how to 1:12:39.479 --> 1:12:41.880 joint as well. But if that is going on and 1:12:41.920 --> 1:12:45.160 the system is cumbersome or with the tax arrangements, it's 1:12:45.240 --> 1:12:49.120 difficult to try to rectify that financially. I can understand 1:12:49.160 --> 1:12:52.400 a lot of people being upset. Now to political news, 1:12:52.439 --> 1:12:55.439 Ted O'Brien, the Shadow Treasurer, has just popped up on 1:12:55.520 --> 1:12:57.920 sky Is. You know. We interviewed him at the end 1:12:57.920 --> 1:13:00.200 of last week where he was coming an ring whether 1:13:00.280 --> 1:13:02.800 the Coalition might be able to cut a deal with 1:13:02.960 --> 1:13:06.080 Labor over this super tax, and I said, Ted, surely 1:13:06.120 --> 1:13:07.960 there's the things so it's a dog and forget it. 1:13:08.400 --> 1:13:12.559 He's oh, well, he's tough at his position. Since we spoke, 1:13:12.600 --> 1:13:13.120 have a listen. 1:13:13.640 --> 1:13:19.439 We will definitely as a coalition oppose this unfair super 1:13:19.560 --> 1:13:21.840 tax of labors every step of the way. 1:13:22.240 --> 1:13:23.240 Every step of the way. 1:13:23.520 --> 1:13:27.960 This is grossly unfair and it flies in the face 1:13:28.000 --> 1:13:30.600 of everything we believe in as a coalition. 1:13:30.920 --> 1:13:32.720 Well, they've got the message. They had to do that 1:13:32.800 --> 1:13:36.280 all along. There's no point falling into Labour's honeytrap. Label. 1:13:36.320 --> 1:13:39.920 Will want the coalition to agree to part of this 1:13:40.120 --> 1:13:42.680 and to Labor, will give a bit somewhere and to 1:13:42.760 --> 1:13:47.400 get it bipartisan through the Senate, because then the Coalition 1:13:47.479 --> 1:13:49.880 can't attack them on it at the next opportunity of 1:13:49.920 --> 1:13:54.519 an election. Now to think that the Liberals almost tumbled 1:13:54.520 --> 1:13:57.719 for that is frightening, but they've got the position right now. 1:13:58.400 --> 1:14:00.360 It will still go through. The Greens will get this 1:14:00.400 --> 1:14:03.040 one through with labor, but they can prosecute the case 1:14:03.080 --> 1:14:05.040 against it. Just to repeat, by the way, the L 1:14:05.080 --> 1:14:07.360 two and L three light rail services are not running 1:14:07.560 --> 1:14:10.360 between more Park and Central due to that incident requiring 1:14:10.360 --> 1:14:13.880 emergency services at Surry Hills we mentioned earlier. Any further updates, 1:14:13.880 --> 1:14:15.800 I'll bring them to you. Notes coming through thinking fast 1:14:15.800 --> 1:14:17.560 about problems with the rail and the light rail and 1:14:17.600 --> 1:14:19.519 the roads today. This one from someone saying just letting 1:14:19.520 --> 1:14:21.640 you know the train service from Paramata to Leppington has 1:14:21.680 --> 1:14:25.759 stopped due to someone with a medical condition at Canley 1:14:25.880 --> 1:14:28.120 Veil station. I'll see if we can get some details 1:14:28.120 --> 1:14:29.600 on that after the news. 1:14:29.640 --> 1:14:34.320 Now onto GB and Network stations. 1:14:34.360 --> 1:14:37.200 Back to afternoons with Michael McClaren. 1:14:38.320 --> 1:14:40.160 All right, into the third hour. Thank you so much 1:14:40.160 --> 1:14:42.040 for your company today. Nice to have you there with 1:14:42.120 --> 1:14:45.000 us one three one eight seven three. I'm still chasing 1:14:45.080 --> 1:14:49.080 up some details as to what might have happened for 1:14:49.160 --> 1:14:52.240 those rail services between Paramattera and Leppington All Certainly one 1:14:52.280 --> 1:14:56.120 of those train services reportedly stopped due to a situation 1:14:56.160 --> 1:14:58.800 at Canley Veil A station. We're trying to get some 1:14:58.840 --> 1:15:02.439 clarification on that. Indeed that is the case. I've just 1:15:02.479 --> 1:15:04.000 had a photo said to be by the way of 1:15:04.200 --> 1:15:06.519 the situation of the car roll over at Mona Vale. 1:15:07.080 --> 1:15:08.880 It is up on its side, no doubt about that 1:15:08.960 --> 1:15:10.920 looks like and I think it's an SUV from what 1:15:10.960 --> 1:15:13.599 I can see, but I'm not certain Emergency services are there. 1:15:14.040 --> 1:15:16.160 But obviously the traffic in and around Mona Vale's are 1:15:16.160 --> 1:15:18.680 mess because of this, so if you are there, just 1:15:19.000 --> 1:15:20.800 bear in mind it's going to be slow going for 1:15:20.800 --> 1:15:25.320 a while. We did report early today we had a 1:15:25.400 --> 1:15:28.680 message from a listener that something had happened involving an 1:15:28.720 --> 1:15:32.200 individual and the light rail at Devonshire Street, Surrey Hills. 1:15:33.080 --> 1:15:36.280 Sadly I inform you that a man has died after 1:15:36.320 --> 1:15:39.160 being struck by a light rail carriage. It was just 1:15:39.200 --> 1:15:41.439 after quarter past one today and we brought you that 1:15:41.439 --> 1:15:44.680 news pretty much straight away. Emergency services were called to 1:15:44.760 --> 1:15:48.000 Devonshire Street following reports a pedestrian was struck by a 1:15:48.040 --> 1:15:51.759 light rail carriage. On arrival, officers attached to Surrey Hills 1:15:51.760 --> 1:15:54.479 Police Area Command found the man, believed to be aged 1:15:54.479 --> 1:15:58.479 in his forties, under the carriage. The man was treated 1:15:58.520 --> 1:16:01.080 at the scene by New South Wales Ambland's paramedics. However, 1:16:01.120 --> 1:16:03.360 he died at the scene. He is yet to be 1:16:03.439 --> 1:16:07.720 formally identified. Police established a crime scene. An investigation into 1:16:07.720 --> 1:16:10.639 the cause of the incident has commenced. A report will 1:16:10.680 --> 1:16:14.280 be prepared for the information of the coroner. A tragedy 1:16:14.760 --> 1:16:18.439 there at Devonshire Street, Surrey Hills earlier today, as I said, 1:16:18.680 --> 1:16:20.760 L two and L three light rail services are not 1:16:20.880 --> 1:16:23.719 running between more Park and Central due to this incident. 1:16:24.520 --> 1:16:28.640 Passengers are advised to delay or consider alternative transport. L 1:16:28.680 --> 1:16:31.000 two and L three light rail services are still running 1:16:31.439 --> 1:16:34.800 between more Park and Randwick and between more Park and 1:16:34.880 --> 1:16:38.519 Junior's Kingsford, as well as between Central and Circular Key, 1:16:39.400 --> 1:16:43.160 but between more Park and Central they're not. That's due 1:16:43.160 --> 1:16:47.200 to this fatality. Earlier today one three, one, eight, seven 1:16:47.240 --> 1:16:48.240 three there. 1:16:48.000 --> 1:16:52.759 Were history maintenance, frauds and fakers, ladies and renowned good ones, 1:16:52.760 --> 1:16:55.439 bad ones. Quite a few bad ones lived in Sydney Town. 1:16:55.760 --> 1:17:00.200 There were fascinating parents, convicts, parister's servants of the crown. 1:17:00.240 --> 1:17:02.200 Con mean strong men, all the wrong men. 1:17:02.280 --> 1:17:04.000 There's a ton of them and every. 1:17:03.760 --> 1:17:05.599 One of them lived in Sydney Town. 1:17:06.080 --> 1:17:09.799 Now on afternoons Sydney with Jim Haynes. 1:17:09.880 --> 1:17:11.439 So here with me in the studio. Is he is 1:17:11.520 --> 1:17:15.599 every Thursday, mister Jim Haynes, Good afternoon to you. Hello Michael. 1:17:16.040 --> 1:17:18.439 Now before we speak about our next Sydney Sider, which 1:17:18.479 --> 1:17:22.920 is a blow called James Ranulph Jackson, an artist and 1:17:23.120 --> 1:17:26.720 you love your artists. Just to remind people or to 1:17:26.760 --> 1:17:29.600 tell them. In fact, June and July you're back to 1:17:29.640 --> 1:17:33.719 the center presenting all sorts of different things. Wednesday, June eleven. 1:17:33.800 --> 1:17:36.639 I think, isn't that's the date, isn't it? That's next Wednesday, 1:17:36.640 --> 1:17:37.240 Next Wednesday. 1:17:37.280 --> 1:17:39.240 I've been a bit late getting this is the thing 1:17:39.320 --> 1:17:43.320 I do talks at the co Center for Seniors out 1:17:43.360 --> 1:17:47.400 at Little Bay. It's a wonderful thing anyone in the area. 1:17:47.760 --> 1:17:50.680 They have all sorts of things apart from talks by 1:17:51.200 --> 1:17:55.000 you know, people like me, that you can learn French. 1:17:55.080 --> 1:17:58.559 They have art classes, they have dancing classes. It's a 1:17:58.600 --> 1:18:02.640 wonderful organization and I do talks for them occasionally you 1:18:02.680 --> 1:18:04.559 can come out there and have a cup of tea. 1:18:05.120 --> 1:18:11.360 And on Wednesday I am talking about well, Sydney Harbor history, geology. 1:18:12.280 --> 1:18:15.360 Do you know how old Sydney Harbor is, Michael, how 1:18:15.400 --> 1:18:17.479 old the harbor? How old the harbor is? 1:18:17.960 --> 1:18:22.200 When it Sydney Glacier at some point it was part 1:18:22.240 --> 1:18:22.400 of that. 1:18:22.479 --> 1:18:25.160 It was because of the end of the last Is 1:18:25.840 --> 1:18:27.439 it's only six thousand years old? 1:18:27.640 --> 1:18:28.360 That's brand new? 1:18:28.520 --> 1:18:32.920 Yeah, almost so. And the rock carvings are the same date, 1:18:32.960 --> 1:18:35.960 which is interesting. It tells us something about the aura 1:18:36.680 --> 1:18:40.800 the people who were here, and so I'll be talking 1:18:40.800 --> 1:18:43.840 about that and also the first fleet and who were 1:18:43.880 --> 1:18:47.320 the artists on the first fleet and the Northwood group, 1:18:48.560 --> 1:18:52.719 Brett Whiteley and John Santry and Lloyd Reese and Roland 1:18:52.720 --> 1:18:56.000 Wakeland and lots of things, and also about the ships 1:18:56.000 --> 1:18:58.640 that were in There was a ship that was so 1:18:58.960 --> 1:19:01.400 much a part of Sydney Harbor for sixty years. It 1:19:01.439 --> 1:19:03.720 was called the Sobrayan and it was bringing out all 1:19:03.960 --> 1:19:07.280 passengers from Britain. It was the biggest composite ship that 1:19:07.400 --> 1:19:11.439 means wood and metal ever made sailing ship. And then 1:19:11.720 --> 1:19:14.320 when it had done its time, the government bought it 1:19:14.360 --> 1:19:18.520 and it became the Boys Home the Adolescent Juvenile Delinquents 1:19:18.640 --> 1:19:21.120 or something. It was anchored off Cockatoo Island, which was 1:19:21.160 --> 1:19:24.160 the home for the delinquent girls, and it was you know, 1:19:24.200 --> 1:19:26.320 they made sure it was far enough from shore so 1:19:26.360 --> 1:19:28.200 that the boys couldn't swim ashore. 1:19:28.400 --> 1:19:29.759 Yes, I understand, in a state. 1:19:30.200 --> 1:19:33.599 And then after that the Navy bought it and it 1:19:33.640 --> 1:19:36.960 became the training ship for the cadets in the Royal 1:19:37.000 --> 1:19:39.519 Australian Navy, and the kids who were trained on it 1:19:39.560 --> 1:19:43.040 were on the Sydney It's a great history, the history 1:19:43.080 --> 1:19:43.719 of Sydney Harbor. 1:19:43.760 --> 1:19:44.880 So I'll be talking about all that. 1:19:45.000 --> 1:19:48.120 Come along and have a cup of tea and I'll 1:19:48.160 --> 1:19:49.400 leave all the information. 1:19:49.200 --> 1:19:53.280 Wednesday next Wednesday, one pm. The Cottage, Dewing Avenue, Little 1:19:53.320 --> 1:19:56.559 Bay Tea included and Jim's Company just before we go 1:19:56.600 --> 1:19:58.920 on to the Sydney side. It's just I've just got 1:19:58.920 --> 1:20:01.000 a note here from the Transport Management Center about the 1:20:01.040 --> 1:20:02.960 half hour delay or so on the train that one 1:20:02.960 --> 1:20:06.360 of our listeners was experiencing. Passengers on the Tee two 1:20:06.439 --> 1:20:09.080 in a West and Leppington line and the t three 1:20:09.120 --> 1:20:11.920 Liverpool and Inner West line. We're being told should allow 1:20:11.960 --> 1:20:14.640 extra travel time. That's due to an incident requiring emergency 1:20:14.680 --> 1:20:19.439 services at Cabramatta earlier. Today frequent services are operating, some 1:20:19.479 --> 1:20:22.800 with changed stops. For updates to services, you can check 1:20:22.800 --> 1:20:26.600 transport apps, information screens and of course listen to the announcements. 1:20:27.240 --> 1:20:30.479 But there was a situation earlier at Cabramatta and that 1:20:30.560 --> 1:20:34.040 has affected some of the trains on those lines. Okay, 1:20:34.080 --> 1:20:36.120 Now back to Sydney Siders, which is what we're about 1:20:36.120 --> 1:20:38.920 at this time of the day, and the story of 1:20:39.200 --> 1:20:41.120 James Ranulph Jackson. 1:20:41.240 --> 1:20:43.839 Yes, I put RANOLFH in Brackett because he was always 1:20:43.840 --> 1:20:46.759 known as James R. Jackson, and he signed his paintings 1:20:46.840 --> 1:20:47.200 James R. 1:20:47.320 --> 1:20:47.719 Jackson. 1:20:48.200 --> 1:20:52.719 And he was one of the great artists of his time, 1:20:53.600 --> 1:20:57.200 a contemporary, and I just brought them this book in 1:20:57.600 --> 1:21:01.559 which was from the Australian EXPERI in London nineteen twenty three. 1:21:01.560 --> 1:21:03.479 There are only a thousand of that he's ever made, 1:21:03.760 --> 1:21:08.960 and luckily the laid in beautiful color plates. None of 1:21:09.000 --> 1:21:11.639 them in this which is number one hundred and seventeen, 1:21:11.680 --> 1:21:14.760 none of them have been stolen. They're usually missing, but 1:21:14.800 --> 1:21:18.840 they're not. And it's got a beautiful painting by James JR. 1:21:18.920 --> 1:21:19.280 Jackson. 1:21:19.280 --> 1:21:22.040 And I was just telling you off air that it's 1:21:22.080 --> 1:21:26.720 in between a Hans Heysen and an Arthur Street and 1:21:26.800 --> 1:21:28.519 so he's in pretty good company. 1:21:29.600 --> 1:21:31.360 But see, so many people know those names, but they 1:21:31.360 --> 1:21:32.799 wouldn't necessarily know Jackson. 1:21:32.960 --> 1:21:35.760 No, the art world would, but he's not one of 1:21:35.800 --> 1:21:39.519 those artists that really is remembered by the general public, 1:21:39.520 --> 1:21:42.360 although he certainly was right up there. He was born 1:21:42.600 --> 1:21:45.320 in New Zealand, but will accept him as a Sydney Sider. 1:21:45.360 --> 1:21:47.599 He lived most of his life and he certainly died. 1:21:47.640 --> 1:21:52.320 He was born eighteen eighty two in a town which 1:21:52.360 --> 1:21:57.960 sounds like something out of you know What's who was 1:21:58.000 --> 1:22:00.639 the lady who wrote all the rabbit books? 1:22:00.640 --> 1:22:04.840 So oh yeah, or Beatrix Potter or Beatrix Potter. 1:22:04.920 --> 1:22:08.080 Yes, because he was born in a place called Bunnythorpepe Bunnythorpe, 1:22:08.120 --> 1:22:11.640 evidently it's a new Palmerston. And he was one of 1:22:11.680 --> 1:22:16.400 eleven kids of a farmer. George Jackson was a farmer. 1:22:16.880 --> 1:22:19.880 His wife was actually born in India, and they had 1:22:19.920 --> 1:22:22.000 eleven kids and they were living happily on the farm 1:22:22.080 --> 1:22:27.960 in New Zealand until unfortunately, Mary the wife died, and 1:22:28.520 --> 1:22:32.320 when she died, James was eight years old and there 1:22:32.360 --> 1:22:36.439 were eleven kids. So a few years later, when James 1:22:36.520 --> 1:22:39.439 was eleven or twelve, the whole family as you do. 1:22:39.640 --> 1:22:42.759 You know, if you're on a farm and your missus 1:22:42.760 --> 1:22:47.800 has passed away, eleven kids, where would you move to Darlinghurst? 1:22:49.920 --> 1:22:54.320 They moved to Darlinghurst. James spent the rest of his 1:22:54.400 --> 1:22:56.479 life living around the Harbor, but he moved to the 1:22:56.520 --> 1:23:00.519 North Shore now. He left school at a very He 1:23:00.560 --> 1:23:03.920 took up an apprenticeship as a decorator with a decorator, 1:23:04.560 --> 1:23:08.880 but he was smitten by the desire to be an artist, 1:23:09.200 --> 1:23:13.480 and he studied. He studied drawing at the Royal Art Society, 1:23:13.560 --> 1:23:16.439 of which he later became the president and so on 1:23:16.520 --> 1:23:19.559 many years later, and at an art school in Sydney. 1:23:19.600 --> 1:23:22.679 He applied for the National Gallery of Victoria Art School, 1:23:22.680 --> 1:23:26.320 which was so prestigious couldn't list the number of famous 1:23:26.360 --> 1:23:29.080 artists who went there, but he didn't get in. So 1:23:29.640 --> 1:23:32.840 determined he packed up and he sailed to London and 1:23:32.920 --> 1:23:38.000 he studied under a wonderful Welsh artist called Sir Frank Brangwen, 1:23:38.800 --> 1:23:44.479 and he was really top artist and teacher. Then he 1:23:44.520 --> 1:23:47.360 went to Paris, as you do. He spent a year 1:23:47.439 --> 1:23:50.280 living in the Latin Quarter and he studied at the 1:23:50.720 --> 1:23:57.040 Academy Colorossi, and that was under Philippe Colorossi, who was Italian. 1:23:57.080 --> 1:24:01.479 As you may have guessed, he was a famous sculptor. 1:24:01.920 --> 1:24:06.200 And he studied there in Paris, he was exposed to Impressionism. 1:24:06.240 --> 1:24:10.880 He became a wonderful Impressionist artist. And he returned to 1:24:10.920 --> 1:24:16.920 Australia in nineteen eight so he got public wrec You know, 1:24:16.960 --> 1:24:19.559 we were saying that he's not known to the general 1:24:19.600 --> 1:24:24.920 public today, but he was recognized very early in his career. 1:24:25.240 --> 1:24:28.720 In fact, in nineteen fourteen, the Art Gallery purchased the 1:24:28.760 --> 1:24:32.679 first of sixteen of his paintings, which are in the 1:24:32.760 --> 1:24:33.880 New South Wales Art Gallery. 1:24:34.120 --> 1:24:34.599 Sixteen. 1:24:34.760 --> 1:24:37.360 They kept buying them. I don't think any were on 1:24:37.439 --> 1:24:39.960 display at the moment, but they're there. It was a 1:24:40.000 --> 1:24:44.479 painting called Oleanders. He settled on the North Shore and 1:24:44.640 --> 1:24:49.400 he made a living teaching drawing and painting and he 1:24:49.479 --> 1:24:53.080 was a teacher at the Art Society School from nineteen 1:24:53.120 --> 1:24:56.040 seventeen to nineteen twenty six. He had his first solo 1:24:56.120 --> 1:25:00.280 exhibition at the Gayfield Show Art Gallery in nineteen twenty 1:25:00.680 --> 1:25:04.639 and in nineteen twenty three, as we've already noted, two 1:25:04.680 --> 1:25:08.640 of his paintings were included in this incredibly important Australian 1:25:08.720 --> 1:25:12.519 art exhibition in London which broke the careers of just 1:25:12.600 --> 1:25:15.719 about you know, everybody in Australian art was involved. 1:25:15.800 --> 1:25:16.000 J J. 1:25:16.200 --> 1:25:17.680 Hilda, Arthur Street. 1:25:17.320 --> 1:25:23.679 And Hans Heys and Margaret Preston. It was a huge 1:25:23.680 --> 1:25:24.840 thing for Australian art. 1:25:25.280 --> 1:25:26.160 And he was there. 1:25:26.280 --> 1:25:30.840 He was there with them, and then he came back. 1:25:31.720 --> 1:25:34.160 Well I don't know if he did visit that exhibition, 1:25:34.200 --> 1:25:36.920 but his painting certainly did. He came back ninety twenty 1:25:36.920 --> 1:25:41.519 four and he married someone called Dorothea Elizabeth Tuvey better 1:25:41.560 --> 1:25:44.200 known as Dora tuv who is one of the most 1:25:44.520 --> 1:25:49.960 recognized and renowned female artists of the twentieth century. So 1:25:50.840 --> 1:25:52.759 they painted together and lived together. 1:25:52.800 --> 1:25:53.799 They had two kids. 1:25:55.640 --> 1:26:01.360 And there's a lovely connection between James R. Jackson and 1:26:01.439 --> 1:26:05.640 the Manly Gallery because the Manly Gallery was begun the 1:26:05.640 --> 1:26:09.559 Manley Gallery and Museum, which wonderful right on the beach 1:26:09.600 --> 1:26:12.439 there at Manley, and it's a wonderful place, a wonderful 1:26:12.479 --> 1:26:17.000 gallery and it began in nineteen twenty three and it 1:26:17.120 --> 1:26:20.160 was a James R. Jackson painting that created it. Oh 1:26:20.240 --> 1:26:24.840 nice because there was a public subscription raised to buy 1:26:24.960 --> 1:26:29.000 this particular painting and it was the first painting ever 1:26:29.640 --> 1:26:33.360 to be part of the collection of the Manly Gallery 1:26:33.360 --> 1:26:37.120 and it was called Middle Harbor from Manly Heights. So 1:26:37.920 --> 1:26:42.000 also he is part of a very famous ex collection 1:26:42.479 --> 1:26:45.479 at the Mossman Gallery and that's the Balnaves collection which 1:26:45.520 --> 1:26:51.759 was donated by mister Balnaves, guru of television, and there. 1:26:51.560 --> 1:26:52.160 Are James R. 1:26:52.240 --> 1:26:55.200 Jackson paintings in that collection too. So both those galleries 1:26:55.200 --> 1:26:57.400 you will see his work there if you visit them, 1:26:58.200 --> 1:27:01.920 regional galleries in Victoria, South Wales. And there is one 1:27:01.920 --> 1:27:06.559 of his paintings in the National Gallery in Canberra as well. 1:27:06.720 --> 1:27:11.759 So he and Dora had two kids. Now the life 1:27:11.760 --> 1:27:14.200 of an artist. He's very successful, you know, he's got 1:27:14.240 --> 1:27:16.599 paintings in all the galleries and people are buying them. 1:27:16.840 --> 1:27:19.519 But the Great Depression came and things were a little 1:27:19.520 --> 1:27:23.400 bit tough because they were living at Seaforth and they 1:27:23.439 --> 1:27:27.200 decided that the best way to make it through the 1:27:27.240 --> 1:27:30.400 Great Depression as artists was to rent out their house 1:27:30.479 --> 1:27:35.680 to somebody else and travel and they went camping and 1:27:35.720 --> 1:27:38.879 they lived down at a place called Lanyon near Canberra. 1:27:39.120 --> 1:27:41.120 They lived on the Murraham Bidjie. They lived on the 1:27:41.320 --> 1:27:45.120 Higgins property in Gloucester. And Dora was from Bathist, so 1:27:45.160 --> 1:27:48.120 they visited Bathist and they were sort of camped out 1:27:48.120 --> 1:27:50.000 with the kids. You know, what a great way to 1:27:50.040 --> 1:27:54.800 grow up. And they painted together, of course, and then 1:27:54.920 --> 1:27:58.640 came back when the depression was, you know, starting to 1:27:58.960 --> 1:28:01.840 ease a bit in thirty six, and they had enough 1:28:01.840 --> 1:28:04.680 money there to set up a studio in Mossman. You 1:28:04.720 --> 1:28:06.920 know that's going to cost you a quid these days. 1:28:08.160 --> 1:28:10.160 And as I said, he was a member of the 1:28:10.160 --> 1:28:13.280 Australian Art Association. He was one of the first fellows 1:28:13.280 --> 1:28:17.120 of that association and he became vice president in nineteen 1:28:17.160 --> 1:28:21.000 sixty five. It was a group of artists who were Impressionists, 1:28:21.040 --> 1:28:24.680 but they were a little more conservative perhaps than some 1:28:24.760 --> 1:28:28.360 of the others, and they were opposed, for example, to modernism. 1:28:28.439 --> 1:28:30.680 I don't want to bore our listeners who couldn't care 1:28:30.760 --> 1:28:35.080 less about art, but modernism is like the Northwood group, 1:28:35.160 --> 1:28:38.799 Roland Wakeland, Lloyd Reese and so on. And these people 1:28:39.400 --> 1:28:44.959 preferred to stick to the more traditional Impressionist stuff, and. 1:28:46.360 --> 1:28:48.080 So that was him really. 1:28:48.400 --> 1:28:52.360 Now he divorced. He and Dora divorced in nineteen forty seven. 1:28:52.800 --> 1:28:57.200 He never remarried, but she married the principal of Cleveland 1:28:57.200 --> 1:29:03.120 Street School. Oh and she became a huge forceful power 1:29:03.200 --> 1:29:06.519 in the Liberal Party in Sydney. Maybe she should come 1:29:06.560 --> 1:29:08.240 back anyway. 1:29:08.479 --> 1:29:09.320 There's a vacancy. 1:29:09.520 --> 1:29:14.559 Yes, So he lived quite happily on the north shown Now. 1:29:14.600 --> 1:29:15.800 The wonderful thing about James R. 1:29:15.880 --> 1:29:16.240 Jackson. 1:29:16.760 --> 1:29:19.960 A critic once noticed that all his paintings in the 1:29:20.000 --> 1:29:23.960 harbor were from the north and said to him, why 1:29:24.000 --> 1:29:25.880 are all your paintings from the north, And he said, 1:29:25.960 --> 1:29:28.800 I I like to have the sun on my back. 1:29:29.120 --> 1:29:29.599 That's nice. 1:29:30.720 --> 1:29:33.559 And of course, being an Impressionist artist, he was painting 1:29:33.600 --> 1:29:38.040 on plannair in the open air. So look he's one. 1:29:38.040 --> 1:29:40.760 He's a favorite of mine, as you can tell. And 1:29:40.920 --> 1:29:43.240 I just love his work. And look, you can go 1:29:43.320 --> 1:29:46.000 out and buy them today for a lot less than 1:29:46.000 --> 1:29:47.920 as you might pay a million bucks for an Arthur 1:29:47.960 --> 1:29:50.840 Street but you could pick up a beautiful James R. 1:29:50.920 --> 1:29:54.000 Jackson for five or ten grand. Looking at some of 1:29:54.080 --> 1:29:57.920 the paintings, yesh could you describe them for our listeners. 1:29:57.920 --> 1:30:00.479 Well, it's not much good giving you pictures, but what 1:30:00.880 --> 1:30:04.040 is a sailing shop? I have a color the colors, 1:30:04.600 --> 1:30:06.080 so there's like a sort of a pastor to you 1:30:06.160 --> 1:30:07.920 to them, isn't there the ones of a beautiful sailing 1:30:07.960 --> 1:30:10.400 ship somewhere in the harbor. One's a lady in that 1:30:10.560 --> 1:30:12.599 sort of nineteen Yeah, that was a classic. 1:30:12.720 --> 1:30:16.520 Everybody painted a lady with a parasol and it's almost transparent. 1:30:16.600 --> 1:30:19.680 He was a wonderful artist, you know, as look as 1:30:19.760 --> 1:30:22.400 good as Street and as good as Roberts, but you know, 1:30:22.720 --> 1:30:24.200 just it's the lucky looking just. 1:30:24.200 --> 1:30:26.439 One of the wonderful ability to capture sort of morning 1:30:26.560 --> 1:30:28.920 or evening light. Yes, that comes through, and that's the 1:30:29.000 --> 1:30:31.880 whole harbor, and he did. He painted many of them. 1:30:32.920 --> 1:30:36.280 One classic painting that I had my hands on at 1:30:36.280 --> 1:30:41.240 one stage. I use his paintings to date Sydney Harbor 1:30:41.320 --> 1:30:46.080 because you know, when was Cockatoo Island joined to the mainland. Well, 1:30:46.200 --> 1:30:48.439 if you look at his paintings, you'll see, you know, 1:30:48.880 --> 1:30:52.200 he painted that in nineteen forty and it wasn't joined, 1:30:52.240 --> 1:30:53.800 but by the end of the war it was, so 1:30:54.000 --> 1:30:57.560 you can you know it's it's a wonderful fascination and 1:30:58.280 --> 1:31:02.280 he was a terrific artist. It's a great story. James Jackson, 1:31:02.400 --> 1:31:02.640 thank you. 1:31:02.760 --> 1:31:06.519 Jim and his daughter did write a book about him, 1:31:06.600 --> 1:31:08.720 so I've forgotten what it was called, but it's out 1:31:08.720 --> 1:31:09.320 there somewhere. 1:31:09.479 --> 1:31:09.919 Wonderful. 1:31:10.760 --> 1:31:13.040 Yeah, So if you want to come to the talk 1:31:13.120 --> 1:31:16.120 on Wednesday, you can go to the website. It's the 1:31:16.600 --> 1:31:20.360 Coast Center for Seniors or my website and the information's. 1:31:19.720 --> 1:31:24.240 There website cocenter dot org dot au twenty four past two. 1:31:24.240 --> 1:31:26.080 Thanks Jim. We'll catch you next week with more. Sydney 1:31:26.120 --> 1:31:28.480 Siders will have more after the break. Just had communication 1:31:28.560 --> 1:31:31.800 from Transport Management Centers Media. The L two and L 1:31:31.840 --> 1:31:35.120 three light rail services are not running between More Park 1:31:35.320 --> 1:31:38.799 and Circular Key. This is now obviously due to that tragedy. 1:31:38.880 --> 1:31:43.519 Earlier and replacement buses have been requested between Central and 1:31:43.640 --> 1:31:46.160 more Park, but they're not yet running, so passengers can 1:31:46.200 --> 1:31:49.320 also consider catching regular route buses between the city and 1:31:49.400 --> 1:31:52.600 more Park or trains between Central and Circular Key. The 1:31:52.920 --> 1:31:54.960 L two and L three light rail services are still 1:31:55.040 --> 1:31:59.240 running between More Park and Randwick and between More Park 1:31:59.280 --> 1:32:02.439 and Juniors, but passengers are advised to allow plenty of 1:32:02.479 --> 1:32:05.680 extra travel time and check information displays it stops for 1:32:05.800 --> 1:32:09.599 service updates. Transport NSW dot infos also where you can 1:32:09.640 --> 1:32:12.360 go for updates. But that terrible, terrible story earlier about 1:32:12.360 --> 1:32:16.400 the man who has lost his life and there's obviously 1:32:16.439 --> 1:32:18.880 knock on effects with the way that the light rail 1:32:19.000 --> 1:32:22.160 is operating in Sydney as is completely understandable. But just 1:32:22.240 --> 1:32:24.080 to repeat, the L two and L three light rail 1:32:24.120 --> 1:32:27.920 services are not running between more Park and Circular Key 1:32:28.520 --> 1:32:32.040 due to that fatality earlier in the afternoon. 1:32:32.640 --> 1:32:35.680 It's that time of the afternoon. Time to find out 1:32:35.880 --> 1:32:37.840 what's coming up on Sydney now for. 1:32:37.880 --> 1:32:42.240 The Serrato successor, the turbo charged Kiak four kias on 1:32:42.360 --> 1:32:46.200 new small sedan GT Line Veriant available now find out 1:32:46.280 --> 1:32:48.200 more about Kia's latest small car. 1:32:48.600 --> 1:32:51.040 Okay, well, let's see what's coming up with Sydney now 1:32:51.200 --> 1:32:53.799 straight after three o'clock with the one known in Clinton, Clinton, 1:32:53.840 --> 1:32:54.400 good afternoon. 1:32:54.479 --> 1:32:56.280 Will be attempting to stay warm and as I enter 1:32:56.320 --> 1:32:58.519 your studio in this I've got to take the jacket 1:32:58.560 --> 1:33:01.280 off because you've got the air conditioning on very very 1:33:01.360 --> 1:33:03.000 warm and the open fire in the corner of the 1:33:03.160 --> 1:33:05.320 I can understand why because your panel operator, g Is, 1:33:05.360 --> 1:33:07.160 you've rightly pointed out he is wearing shorts all day. 1:33:07.479 --> 1:33:08.760 Yes, very wise, G. 1:33:09.760 --> 1:33:12.879 Cameron, who looks after the digital content throughout the afternoon 1:33:12.960 --> 1:33:15.160 for our program, which is the resident mister shorts, And 1:33:15.720 --> 1:33:18.400 you did outline how he has one pair of shorts 1:33:18.439 --> 1:33:19.519 and he wears those every day. 1:33:19.920 --> 1:33:21.680 Suddenly he wears trousers. 1:33:21.320 --> 1:33:23.599 Yesterday, and I thought that there must be a young 1:33:23.720 --> 1:33:27.120 lady in Cameron's life that's now looking after his attire. 1:33:28.200 --> 1:33:29.519 He's wearing trousers again today. 1:33:29.680 --> 1:33:29.880 Wow. 1:33:30.200 --> 1:33:32.120 Would this be something to do with the temperature? Maybe? 1:33:32.160 --> 1:33:33.879 I think it might be more to do with the thermometer. 1:33:33.960 --> 1:33:35.880 Look, I sawry headline just a short while ago in 1:33:35.920 --> 1:33:38.800 the Telegraph website respect the Journal, that it is with 1:33:38.880 --> 1:33:43.120 the headlight feels like temperature zero point nine. Well, I'm 1:33:43.160 --> 1:33:45.960 not sure where the Telegraph took that thermometer reading this morning, 1:33:45.960 --> 1:33:48.920 because as I walked across Pimont Bridge this morning cross 1:33:49.000 --> 1:33:50.680 Darling Harb on my way to work, I did check 1:33:50.720 --> 1:33:52.840 this feels like temperature. It was a zero point two 1:33:53.240 --> 1:33:56.040 al right. Can you really tell the difference between point 1:33:56.080 --> 1:33:57.680 two and point nine? You know, just sort of on 1:33:57.720 --> 1:33:58.400 the back of your hand. 1:33:58.760 --> 1:34:02.200 It is zero. Let's just call the field like temperature. 1:34:03.000 --> 1:34:04.200 But you know, I mean it's winter. 1:34:04.360 --> 1:34:06.800 It is getting Yeah, that's this time of year, you know. 1:34:06.880 --> 1:34:08.880 I mean if it was feels like twenty six, you 1:34:08.920 --> 1:34:10.200 can imagine what the headlines are. 1:34:10.320 --> 1:34:10.439 Right. 1:34:10.520 --> 1:34:13.040 So look, given how warm the temperatures in the studio, 1:34:13.040 --> 1:34:14.679 I will have to take off my winter jacket. 1:34:14.720 --> 1:34:16.360 That I'm very fetching jacket. 1:34:16.800 --> 1:34:19.439 This jacket actually came to prominence during COVID, so I'm wearing. 1:34:19.479 --> 1:34:21.439 Folks that aren't watching us on the webcam at the moment. 1:34:21.479 --> 1:34:23.000 He said, what color you describe as tan? 1:34:23.680 --> 1:34:23.720 No? 1:34:24.320 --> 1:34:24.760 What color? 1:34:24.840 --> 1:34:24.960 Is it? 1:34:25.400 --> 1:34:27.639 Light brown? That's the tan you get when you don't 1:34:27.640 --> 1:34:28.120 go outside. 1:34:28.240 --> 1:34:30.000 What color would you describe this jacket? 1:34:30.080 --> 1:34:31.320 Sort of beige? 1:34:31.600 --> 1:34:33.839 Okay, it's a beige jacket for a Beijes. 1:34:33.640 --> 1:34:37.400 Individual, and it's lined with the fake wool oh fake, well, 1:34:37.439 --> 1:34:38.360 the fake it's not real. 1:34:38.520 --> 1:34:42.599 Okay, it's no cutlets produced in the manufacturer of jacket. 1:34:42.840 --> 1:34:44.439 It's a sensitive new age guy. 1:34:45.080 --> 1:34:48.600 But during COVID, we went through that phase where everybody 1:34:48.680 --> 1:34:51.200 around the country would tune into the eleven o'clock press 1:34:51.240 --> 1:34:54.519 conference with Gladys and a lot of it. I went 1:34:54.560 --> 1:34:56.200 to one hundred and eighty three, why are you reminding 1:34:56.280 --> 1:34:57.760 us of all this? I went to one hundred and 1:34:57.800 --> 1:35:00.559 eighty three. There's press conferences and the camera would actually 1:35:00.600 --> 1:35:03.840 pan to the reporters as we asked questions. Was instant 1:35:04.040 --> 1:35:06.200 the two locations. One was in Homebush wint Sint Leonard's 1:35:06.439 --> 1:35:07.840 and in the middle of the winter I would wear 1:35:07.880 --> 1:35:12.400 this jacket. My social media channels just went into meltdown 1:35:12.479 --> 1:35:14.880 with people commenting about my damned jack. They didn't have 1:35:14.920 --> 1:35:17.600 clue who this bloke who is asking these questions of 1:35:17.680 --> 1:35:21.280 Gladys and doctor Kerry chair wearing this really silly looking jacket. 1:35:21.520 --> 1:35:24.120 Were all the fashion editors that the newspaper's getting in 1:35:24.200 --> 1:35:28.559 touch not that much tell us about this trend. Let's 1:35:28.600 --> 1:35:30.640 come out of my arm that we didn't know about now. 1:35:30.680 --> 1:35:32.080 I think it came out of City Beach Show, the 1:35:32.120 --> 1:35:33.519 surf shop at Miranda fair Well. 1:35:33.560 --> 1:35:35.439 I think it looks very nice. What's coming up after 1:35:35.479 --> 1:35:36.000 three o'clock? 1:35:36.200 --> 1:35:38.559 We'll certainly follow what's happening in State Parliament this afternoon 1:35:38.600 --> 1:35:42.000 with the workers' compensation changes before the Upper House looked 1:35:42.160 --> 1:35:44.200 I'm hearing different things from both sides of politics. 1:35:44.200 --> 1:35:45.360 About how this is going to pan out. 1:35:45.479 --> 1:35:48.040 Likelihood it'll probably be pushed off to an inquiry, which 1:35:48.120 --> 1:35:50.320 then delays the whole process. So I don't think we're 1:35:50.320 --> 1:35:51.720 going to get a result in the government's favor of 1:35:51.760 --> 1:35:54.719 this afternoon, but we'll watch that as it plays out. Also, 1:35:54.840 --> 1:35:57.000 we'll get a legal understanding of what's going to happen 1:35:57.080 --> 1:35:59.439 now in Bradfield. Yes, in terms of will there be 1:35:59.560 --> 1:36:01.600 a legal challenge, will it go to the Court of 1:36:01.640 --> 1:36:05.320 disputed returns? What is the process that has followed through that. 1:36:05.479 --> 1:36:07.559 We'll be looking at that after four o'clock. David Elliott's 1:36:07.560 --> 1:36:10.320 my straight shooter talking about the Liberal Party. He will 1:36:10.400 --> 1:36:13.440 have a few choice words to say about mister Stockdale. 1:36:13.479 --> 1:36:15.640 I can't imagine today, miss Elliott, So make sure you're 1:36:15.640 --> 1:36:17.600 listening after four thirty for that. And we're going to 1:36:17.600 --> 1:36:21.000 have a look at the Sandwich generation. Yeah, the generation 1:36:21.120 --> 1:36:23.680 that is stuck in between looking after their children and 1:36:23.760 --> 1:36:27.200 in some cases grandchildren and their parents as they age 1:36:27.280 --> 1:36:28.719 and the challenges that they're facing. 1:36:28.840 --> 1:36:31.400 They're sort of in retirement, but they're now full time 1:36:31.479 --> 1:36:33.479 caring for the for two different ends of the age 1:36:33.520 --> 1:36:34.240 spectrum exactly. 1:36:34.240 --> 1:36:35.000 And there's more of them. 1:36:35.120 --> 1:36:37.880 Indeed, okay, thank you Clinton, Clinton and his jacket. Straight 1:36:37.920 --> 1:36:39.120 after three o'clock. 1:36:43.320 --> 1:36:44.840 Go back to wherever mar of the news room er 1:36:44.920 --> 1:36:46.240 and good afternoon, Good afternoon. 1:36:46.280 --> 1:36:48.400 Michael Aman's been killed when struck by a tram and 1:36:48.520 --> 1:36:51.719 Surrey Hill's services are currently not running between more Park 1:36:51.800 --> 1:36:55.639 and Circular Key. Police Task Force Falcon has made three 1:36:55.760 --> 1:36:58.640 arrests in its first week of operation. It's designed to 1:36:58.680 --> 1:37:02.519 suppress violent crime from escalating on Sydney streets. Australian and 1:37:02.640 --> 1:37:06.160 European officials are working to resolve the remaining sticking points 1:37:06.200 --> 1:37:08.960 as they try to negotiate a free trade deal, and 1:37:09.200 --> 1:37:13.120 US President Donald Trump assigned a proclamation to suspend international 1:37:13.240 --> 1:37:16.880 visas for new students at Harvard University as he tries 1:37:16.960 --> 1:37:20.519 to stop foreigners from enrolling at the Etlite University. Current 1:37:20.560 --> 1:37:24.240 students are now also under review. In sport, Cristiano Ronaldo 1:37:24.320 --> 1:37:28.040 has scored his one hundred and thirty seventh international goal 1:37:28.160 --> 1:37:30.160 for Portugal as they came from a goal down to 1:37:30.200 --> 1:37:33.720 beat Germany and reached the nation's league final. They'll meet 1:37:33.760 --> 1:37:36.320 the winner of the France Spain semi final, and there'll 1:37:36.360 --> 1:37:38.160 be more news at three o'clock. 1:37:38.680 --> 1:37:43.040 On afternoons a finance update for Pretzel Wealth and finance 1:37:43.240 --> 1:37:45.519 for Trusted Financial Planning just Google. 1:37:45.760 --> 1:37:48.880 Blake went to Pretzel Oko. Let's catch up with Scott 1:37:48.880 --> 1:37:51.880 Phillips on this rather cold Thursday. He's from the Motley 1:37:51.920 --> 1:37:54.160 full dot com dot You maybe can warm us up 1:37:54.200 --> 1:37:57.679 with some exciting economic data or something that Scott before 1:37:57.720 --> 1:38:00.439 we sort of throw that at you start at Rams. 1:38:00.560 --> 1:38:01.679 What's happening with Rams? 1:38:02.240 --> 1:38:05.400 Yeah, Michael, exciting economic data might be the world's largest oxymoron. 1:38:05.479 --> 1:38:06.760 But tartlet's go part that one. 1:38:08.720 --> 1:38:08.960 Thank you go. 1:38:09.000 --> 1:38:09.600 I appreciate it. 1:38:10.200 --> 1:38:13.000 The corporate cop reckons that maybe they're alleging anywhere. We 1:38:13.040 --> 1:38:14.400 going to make sure this is not proven yet in 1:38:14.479 --> 1:38:17.360 court they reckon that Ram. So the mortgage letter that 1:38:17.479 --> 1:38:20.000 was now was part of Westback is being wounds down. 1:38:20.560 --> 1:38:23.479 There's a pretty serious misconduct of these allegations are correct 1:38:23.880 --> 1:38:28.680 saying that the loan franchises submitted fake pacelips for employers 1:38:28.720 --> 1:38:31.640 that did not exist to get some of these mortgages 1:38:31.760 --> 1:38:34.320 over the line. I'm not sure it gets much worse 1:38:34.400 --> 1:38:36.280 than that. We remember in the US in two thousand 1:38:36.320 --> 1:38:38.800 and seven eight nine, they had these in called liar loans. 1:38:38.840 --> 1:38:40.559 The idea of basically the Brokens who were put through 1:38:40.600 --> 1:38:43.040 whatever paperwork they wanted to put through to pretend that 1:38:43.160 --> 1:38:45.840 borrowers had this opacity to repay these loans. This is 1:38:45.880 --> 1:38:46.360 echoes of that. 1:38:46.479 --> 1:38:46.559 Now. 1:38:46.600 --> 1:38:49.360 I don't want to suggest necessarily there's a big systemic problem, 1:38:49.479 --> 1:38:52.639 hopefully broader than this, but in some cases, if simply 1:38:52.680 --> 1:38:56.200 they were misstating or overstating incomes for loans to be provided, 1:38:56.200 --> 1:38:58.760 I don't know, it gets much worse either for those individuals, 1:38:58.880 --> 1:39:01.719 for the bank, or for the aancial system. That scale 1:39:01.760 --> 1:39:03.519 could have given us real grief. Now, the good news 1:39:03.640 --> 1:39:07.760 is this misconduct is alleged to have happened meaningfully a 1:39:07.880 --> 1:39:10.680 decent number of years ago, so not a strong and 1:39:10.800 --> 1:39:13.599 current problem. Twenty twenty two is the latest that these 1:39:13.640 --> 1:39:17.639 allegations seems to pertain to. So yeah, obviously a massive deal, 1:39:17.920 --> 1:39:19.960 you'd hope, and I'm glad the regulators look at this 1:39:19.960 --> 1:39:22.120 sort of stuff and making sure this is being taken 1:39:22.160 --> 1:39:24.560 a task if indeed it did happen. Again, we have 1:39:24.680 --> 1:39:26.160 to wonder whether or not this is a nice looted 1:39:26.200 --> 1:39:28.800 incident as well, but we'll find out in due course. 1:39:28.880 --> 1:39:32.080 For now, pretty serious misconduct allegations as I said, Westback 1:39:32.160 --> 1:39:34.479 is already winding down rams, but probably not before time. 1:39:34.680 --> 1:39:37.479 Okay, yes, indeed, keeping on that now the Marcus and Landola. 1:39:38.280 --> 1:39:41.080 Yeah, still no excitement. Unfortunately, we're just underwater by a 1:39:41.240 --> 1:39:43.200 touch a tenth of a percent lower on the all 1:39:43.280 --> 1:39:46.559 odds eighty seven hundred and sixty two points as we speak. 1:39:46.880 --> 1:39:48.800 The dollar is a bright spot up against most of 1:39:48.880 --> 1:39:51.559 the major currencies, including the US dollar, where it's half 1:39:51.600 --> 1:39:54.040 a percent higher when over sixty five cents this morning. 1:39:54.160 --> 1:39:57.479 Just under that again, sixty four point nine zero US sense. 1:39:57.680 --> 1:40:00.240 Thank you, Scott, appreciate. We'll catching for Friday. Financed tomorrow. 1:40:00.280 --> 1:40:02.519 Scott phillipsaid from the Motley fool full dot com dot 1:40:02.600 --> 1:40:04.200 E all right, well clear a break when we come back. 1:40:04.200 --> 1:40:09.400 Professor Barney Glover, he's the Commissioner of Jobs and Skills 1:40:09.479 --> 1:40:11.840 Australian and I want to pick his knowledge at his 1:40:12.000 --> 1:40:14.439 brain on this issue of just how many we are 1:40:14.520 --> 1:40:17.000 sending to university or enticing to go to university as 1:40:17.040 --> 1:40:19.559 opposed through vocational training. The federal government seemed to want 1:40:19.560 --> 1:40:20.920 to get that back to more toward a fifty to 1:40:20.960 --> 1:40:23.840 fifty split. I'm in favor of that on face value. 1:40:23.840 --> 1:40:26.800 I get Professor Glover's thoughts straight after this just about 1:40:26.800 --> 1:40:28.479 to go twenty to three. Thank you for your company 1:40:28.560 --> 1:40:32.280 this afternoon. Well Skills and Training Minister Andrew Giles in 1:40:32.360 --> 1:40:35.840 the News today, aiming to shepherd more school leavers into 1:40:35.920 --> 1:40:39.400 vocational education and training. He makes the point that Australia 1:40:39.439 --> 1:40:41.559 should be aiming for a roughly fifty to fifty split 1:40:41.880 --> 1:40:45.719 with students going to university and into vocational education and training. 1:40:45.760 --> 1:40:47.120 I think there's a lot of merit in this, but 1:40:47.600 --> 1:40:50.759 for it to happen, the suggestion in Today's Financial Review 1:40:51.400 --> 1:40:53.479 is that it would mean pushing tens of thousands of 1:40:53.560 --> 1:40:57.760 prospective university students toward Taife and other vocational courses in 1:40:57.800 --> 1:41:01.360 the coming years. Now, someone who has spoken about this 1:41:01.920 --> 1:41:06.160 extensively is Professor Barney Glover, and in fact he made 1:41:06.200 --> 1:41:08.960 the point to the same newspaper but at the end 1:41:09.000 --> 1:41:13.280 of last year that fifteen years of government policies designed 1:41:13.320 --> 1:41:16.680 to encourage young people to enroll in a university have 1:41:16.880 --> 1:41:21.439 tipped the scales too far, leaving graduates without bright futures 1:41:21.760 --> 1:41:24.559 and at the same time vast tracts of industry without 1:41:24.640 --> 1:41:27.400 the skills they need. Well, Professor Barney Glover is now 1:41:27.439 --> 1:41:30.639 the Commissioner of Jobs and Schools Australia, so he certainly 1:41:30.720 --> 1:41:33.559 qualified to speak in this space. He's also a former 1:41:33.680 --> 1:41:36.320 university man, so he's very well qualified to speak in 1:41:36.360 --> 1:41:38.879 this space. And he joins me on the line, Professor, 1:41:38.960 --> 1:41:39.720 thank you for your time. 1:41:40.479 --> 1:41:41.519 Happy to wish you, Michael. 1:41:41.920 --> 1:41:43.479 I guess you sort of can wear two hats in 1:41:43.560 --> 1:41:46.559 this one debate, which is not unique but almost unique 1:41:46.760 --> 1:41:50.160 in the Australian landscape. It does seem to be the 1:41:50.240 --> 1:41:53.280 case between government policy and I would argue private sort 1:41:53.320 --> 1:41:57.439 of parental pressure or desire. We seem to have instilled 1:41:57.479 --> 1:42:00.479 this mindset into school leavers that they've really made it 1:42:00.560 --> 1:42:03.040 if they go to a university and anything else's sort 1:42:03.040 --> 1:42:04.960 of second rate. Is that a fair comment? 1:42:05.680 --> 1:42:07.280 No, I think it's a good way of summarizing a 1:42:07.320 --> 1:42:10.519 lot of what we've seen, particularly over the last decade. 1:42:10.560 --> 1:42:13.760 But it's actually a long standing trend. We live in 1:42:13.800 --> 1:42:18.960 a very successful, multicultural country and culturally it's often very 1:42:19.080 --> 1:42:22.920 very important for young people to aspire to and achieve 1:42:23.040 --> 1:42:28.400 success at university. Less value is seen around vocational education 1:42:28.520 --> 1:42:31.280 training and tape pathway, so that's true. One of the 1:42:31.360 --> 1:42:34.560 obligations I think on the part of government, state and 1:42:34.880 --> 1:42:39.559 federal and territory governments is to encourage better careers advice 1:42:39.640 --> 1:42:42.240 in school and better encouragement of young people and better 1:42:42.400 --> 1:42:45.799 advice to parents and those who influence young people about 1:42:45.840 --> 1:42:49.040 the great opportunities of a TAFE course and a vet 1:42:49.160 --> 1:42:52.800 pathway into a career. We've also got to be looking 1:42:52.840 --> 1:42:56.640 at the opportunity for graduates from higher education to say well, 1:42:56.680 --> 1:42:59.519 I also could value and get value in my career 1:42:59.600 --> 1:43:02.960 aspirate from doing a vocational education and training program as 1:43:03.000 --> 1:43:06.080 will to give me really significant practical skills. So yes, 1:43:06.640 --> 1:43:10.040 we need to do a reset. We need to rebalancing 1:43:10.080 --> 1:43:13.840 of our post secondary education system in Australia. By the way, 1:43:13.960 --> 1:43:15.880 over the next decade and beyond, we do need to 1:43:15.960 --> 1:43:19.000 grow our high education system as well. That's the scale 1:43:19.040 --> 1:43:22.479 of the challenge. But as a minister made very clear, 1:43:22.840 --> 1:43:24.680 we need to get the balance right and we need 1:43:24.760 --> 1:43:28.280 to encourage more young people into vocational education and training. 1:43:28.200 --> 1:43:31.320 Because you see, the point is these additional forms of 1:43:31.479 --> 1:43:34.920 education beyond school, be they university or TAFEs or whatnot. 1:43:35.280 --> 1:43:37.439 It's not just about the individual and what they want 1:43:37.479 --> 1:43:39.800 to pursue and what's good for them. I mean, it's 1:43:39.840 --> 1:43:41.840 also about what's good for the country, isn't it, Because 1:43:41.920 --> 1:43:43.720 a lot of us as taxpayers have some skin in 1:43:43.800 --> 1:43:46.519 the game. We're funding the hex, we're funding the government grants, 1:43:47.120 --> 1:43:49.280 and we need a return on that investment. And if 1:43:49.320 --> 1:43:51.320 you've got a lot of people going to university but 1:43:51.479 --> 1:43:54.639 coming out in degrees that in some cases are flooded 1:43:54.680 --> 1:43:56.680 with graduates, but the job market just doesn't have the 1:43:56.720 --> 1:44:01.320 ability to absorb that skill, that may not been the wisest, 1:44:01.400 --> 1:44:05.160 all the most productive investment from a federal taxpayer's point 1:44:05.160 --> 1:44:05.439 of view. 1:44:06.600 --> 1:44:08.760 Well, I do think we need to encourage young people 1:44:08.800 --> 1:44:11.519 to think very broadly about the opportunities. And we're in 1:44:11.600 --> 1:44:14.960 a we're coming into a decade and beyond in Australia. 1:44:15.040 --> 1:44:17.680 We have a government that make it very clear at 1:44:17.720 --> 1:44:19.920 the federal level that we want to build one point 1:44:19.960 --> 1:44:23.439 two million houses to address the housing crisis in this country. 1:44:23.800 --> 1:44:27.960 We need a very strong construction sector for the infrastructure 1:44:28.000 --> 1:44:32.599 we need for decarbonization and zero we have a commitment 1:44:32.720 --> 1:44:36.960 to advanced manufacturing with the Future Made in Australia initiatives. 1:44:37.240 --> 1:44:41.200 There is a significant program of work for this country 1:44:41.320 --> 1:44:43.439 over the next decade and beyond, and we're going to 1:44:43.640 --> 1:44:48.240 need both higher education qualified young people entering the workforce, 1:44:48.439 --> 1:44:51.360 but in greater numbers than we have at the moment. 1:44:51.479 --> 1:44:55.000 We need to encourage young people into VET programs and yes, 1:44:55.200 --> 1:44:58.960 the lifetime return on that investment for the individual and 1:44:59.120 --> 1:45:01.400 of course nationally is a critically important part of that. 1:45:01.840 --> 1:45:04.680 But we must appreciate I think there's great opportunities for 1:45:04.800 --> 1:45:07.960 young people. One thing we're not doing well enough is 1:45:08.120 --> 1:45:11.400 consistently across the board getting the right careers advice to 1:45:11.479 --> 1:45:14.479 young people at that crucial time in their secondary schooling 1:45:14.720 --> 1:45:17.479 and even earlier. I know there's a program in South 1:45:17.479 --> 1:45:21.240 Australia announced very recently by the Melanowskis government to have 1:45:21.640 --> 1:45:24.040 primary school kids having a taste of what a trade 1:45:24.120 --> 1:45:27.960 might look like, get them early and interested in opportunities. 1:45:28.360 --> 1:45:31.639 We don't need to necessarily coerce them into a particular pathway, 1:45:31.680 --> 1:45:33.160 but we've got to make sure they've got all the 1:45:33.200 --> 1:45:36.720 information necessary to make the right decision. We need very, 1:45:36.880 --> 1:45:40.840 very good VET in schools programs around Australia, consistently high 1:45:40.960 --> 1:45:44.639 quality to provide that alternative in the school system. Better 1:45:44.800 --> 1:45:48.519 pre apprenticeship and pre pre apprenticeship opportunities for young people. 1:45:48.920 --> 1:45:51.120 One thing that makes a difference with an apprenticeship is 1:45:51.200 --> 1:45:54.240 having a pre apprenticeship taster and to be supported well 1:45:54.280 --> 1:45:56.400 in the first year. So there's a lot we need 1:45:56.520 --> 1:45:59.600 to do to do the rebalancing, but I think the 1:45:59.680 --> 1:46:02.559 benefit it says you just put it very very important 1:46:02.600 --> 1:46:04.920 to the nation, absolutely to the individual. 1:46:05.360 --> 1:46:08.200 You mentioned the word numbers earlier. As you made clear, 1:46:08.240 --> 1:46:09.680 at the end of last year and the decade to 1:46:09.760 --> 1:46:13.080 twenty twenty one, with both political parties in power, higher 1:46:13.240 --> 1:46:19.280 education qualifications grew by sixty seven percent. Vocational qualifications, however, 1:46:19.439 --> 1:46:22.720 only by twenty five percent, and that's across a population 1:46:22.880 --> 1:46:25.760 growth of just fourteen percent, So we can see where 1:46:25.840 --> 1:46:29.479 this is being top loaded. But regarding the apprenticeships, and 1:46:29.520 --> 1:46:32.720 that often goes hand in love with the vocational side 1:46:32.760 --> 1:46:35.720 of education training, We've had all sorts of schemes and 1:46:35.800 --> 1:46:37.880 ideas over the years about how that should work, but 1:46:38.200 --> 1:46:40.639 there seems to be a constant squabble between who should 1:46:40.720 --> 1:46:43.519 fund it the apprenticeship, Should it be government, should it 1:46:43.600 --> 1:46:46.719 be the employer, What are the rules and the details 1:46:46.760 --> 1:46:49.200 around it, and a lot of it's from my point 1:46:49.200 --> 1:46:51.240 of view, seems to get bogged down in the minutia 1:46:51.360 --> 1:46:55.799 of the apprenticeship. How do we empower the apprenticeship program 1:46:56.880 --> 1:47:00.440 to incentivize people to say, okay, well that's the available 1:47:00.520 --> 1:47:02.040 so I'm going to go and pursue a trade. 1:47:03.080 --> 1:47:05.400 Well, I think the government last year, of course, commissioned 1:47:05.439 --> 1:47:08.880 a major review into the Australian apprenticeship system. Ian Ross 1:47:08.920 --> 1:47:12.240 and Lisa Paul completed that review. The government has the report. 1:47:12.320 --> 1:47:15.760 The government starting to respond to the aspects of that. 1:47:16.000 --> 1:47:21.519 The initial responses included more incentives for young people, so 1:47:21.840 --> 1:47:25.400 better funding for young people doing apprenticeship. We all know 1:47:25.600 --> 1:47:28.120 that they don't get paid a great deal, so anything 1:47:28.200 --> 1:47:30.880 that provides some additional support is both a cost of 1:47:30.960 --> 1:47:34.680 living benefit but also a longer term attractor for young 1:47:34.720 --> 1:47:38.320 people to enter into into an apprenticeship. So there's still 1:47:38.439 --> 1:47:40.519 more the government I think we'll be doing in relation 1:47:40.640 --> 1:47:43.720 to apprenticeships. That's a positive thing. We've going to make sure. 1:47:43.760 --> 1:47:47.040 Of course, the industry and the business is leaning into 1:47:47.120 --> 1:47:50.120 this as well. They've got to be confident enough about 1:47:50.160 --> 1:47:52.240 the pipeline of work that they have ahead of them 1:47:52.560 --> 1:47:56.000 to take on young people, in particular into apprenticeship. So 1:47:56.120 --> 1:47:59.439 that's a confidence issue in the economy. That's an important 1:47:59.439 --> 1:48:01.720 thing for them wealth and for the Treasurer to be 1:48:01.920 --> 1:48:04.360 aware of. Let's make sure business is confident enough to 1:48:04.439 --> 1:48:07.120 put young people on and we need to be put 1:48:07.160 --> 1:48:09.960 on large numbers. So one of the big reports we 1:48:10.120 --> 1:48:12.320 did at the end of twenty twenty three was that 1:48:12.439 --> 1:48:16.880 the clean energy workforce we need in Australia thirty seven 1:48:17.000 --> 1:48:21.519 different occupations that support the clean energy transformation in this country. 1:48:22.000 --> 1:48:27.160 We need huge numbers of additional apprentices in the electrical traits, 1:48:27.240 --> 1:48:30.320 for example, over the next decade. So we have all 1:48:30.400 --> 1:48:31.880 of the data to tell us this is a great 1:48:31.880 --> 1:48:34.439 opportunity for the country. We need business to lean in 1:48:34.520 --> 1:48:36.920 and to be confident about taking on apprentices and we 1:48:37.040 --> 1:48:40.160 need the government to have the incentives right to actually 1:48:40.160 --> 1:48:42.640 support the program. But I'm confident that that work is 1:48:43.080 --> 1:48:48.080 not only underway but beginning to show signs of making 1:48:48.120 --> 1:48:50.040 a difference. And one of the other elements, of course, 1:48:50.080 --> 1:48:52.400 and all of this is we want more young people 1:48:52.439 --> 1:48:55.240 into theirs. Let's make sure there are no barriers to 1:48:55.360 --> 1:48:58.080 young people going into vocational education and training. So one 1:48:58.160 --> 1:49:00.920 thing that jobs and skills are greated advocating for is 1:49:00.960 --> 1:49:04.519 a more harmonious, terist education system, make it easier to 1:49:04.600 --> 1:49:08.000 move between bat and hire. Let's have fewer barriers. The 1:49:08.120 --> 1:49:11.120 government's response for the that side of that is, let's 1:49:11.160 --> 1:49:14.080 get rid of any financial hurdle with free tape and 1:49:14.160 --> 1:49:15.920 th free tape, all of those things I think are 1:49:15.960 --> 1:49:20.000 important initiatives. We need them now to demonstrate that they'll 1:49:20.040 --> 1:49:22.200 be successful and to measure the success of that over 1:49:22.240 --> 1:49:22.880 the next few years. 1:49:23.200 --> 1:49:24.800 Right, just finally, then if I could, Bunny, I mean, 1:49:24.880 --> 1:49:27.280 I mean, you know, you're formerly from UWS, so you 1:49:27.360 --> 1:49:30.160 understand the university side of things as well. But I 1:49:30.240 --> 1:49:31.960 mean you can go back as far as Tony Blair 1:49:32.040 --> 1:49:34.240 in the UK, you know, decades ago now and the 1:49:34.320 --> 1:49:36.240 Labor Party there is right, we need to we want 1:49:36.240 --> 1:49:38.639 to have fifty percent of all British people going through 1:49:38.720 --> 1:49:41.400 a university by whatever the year was. And so the 1:49:41.479 --> 1:49:45.760 government set all of these targets. But why are they 1:49:46.280 --> 1:49:49.880 It seems very obsessed in the federal government level here 1:49:49.960 --> 1:49:52.280 and around the world with getting people through universities and 1:49:52.400 --> 1:49:56.160 less obsessed with getting them through tapes and vocational training. 1:49:56.200 --> 1:50:00.840 What is it about the university sector? The government continue 1:50:00.960 --> 1:50:03.720 to say, we've got to get this percentage through the gate. 1:50:04.280 --> 1:50:06.440 Even if the economy isn't demanding. 1:50:06.120 --> 1:50:10.320 It, well, I think to remember there are parts of 1:50:10.360 --> 1:50:12.400 the economy that are demanding it, which is why we 1:50:12.560 --> 1:50:15.599 need engineers, and we need health professionals, and we need 1:50:15.720 --> 1:50:18.800 social workers and we need psychologists. You know, we need 1:50:19.040 --> 1:50:22.640 those professions and we need them increasing numbers. And we 1:50:22.760 --> 1:50:26.120 need to appreciate that Australia wants to diversify its economy. 1:50:26.280 --> 1:50:28.800 You know, we're very reliant on the resources sector. We 1:50:28.880 --> 1:50:32.640 want to be equally reliant on innovation, creativity, new technology, 1:50:33.040 --> 1:50:35.760 the impact of generative AI. What's that dont mean? Can 1:50:35.800 --> 1:50:38.599 we lead the way? We need strength in our research 1:50:38.680 --> 1:50:42.680 capability in this country. Universities do that in spades. We 1:50:42.800 --> 1:50:44.880 need to make sure their resource to do that. 1:50:45.400 --> 1:50:46.679 So we do need to keep. 1:50:46.560 --> 1:50:49.400 Supporting the university system, There's no doubt about it. But 1:50:49.520 --> 1:50:51.560 right across the world now there's a conversation going on. 1:50:52.000 --> 1:50:54.280 I talk to people in a variety of countries. I 1:50:54.400 --> 1:50:57.840 was online with Skills England earlier this week and talking 1:50:57.920 --> 1:51:01.280 to the National Skills Observatory people in I and everyone 1:51:01.439 --> 1:51:03.760 is talking about how do we encourage young people to 1:51:04.080 --> 1:51:07.880 enter into vocation education training pathways because that sector is 1:51:07.960 --> 1:51:11.000 too sluggish and that will hold us back on productivity. 1:51:11.320 --> 1:51:14.880 And it's also an area whether a great job opportunity 1:51:14.960 --> 1:51:18.200 is great career paths, great lives for young people and 1:51:18.240 --> 1:51:21.719 great opportunities for mature age workers to reskill and up skill. 1:51:21.800 --> 1:51:23.800 So it's not just for young people and we need 1:51:23.880 --> 1:51:24.880 to get that message across. 1:51:25.080 --> 1:51:26.439 Yeah, we do well. This is part of the why 1:51:26.479 --> 1:51:28.320 we're having this conversation. Thank you for your time and 1:51:28.320 --> 1:51:30.000 you're inside Barney, appreciate it very much. 1:51:30.400 --> 1:51:31.040 Nowhere is Michael. 1:51:31.120 --> 1:51:35.360 Thanks by Professor Barney Glover, Commissioner of Jobs and Skills Australia. 1:51:35.600 --> 1:51:37.280 It is six minutes to three. Just before we get 1:51:37.280 --> 1:51:38.800 to track the day, a couple of people making the 1:51:38.800 --> 1:51:40.560 point that it's easy enough getting into a tape or 1:51:40.600 --> 1:51:43.680 something like that. The difficult part in this journey is 1:51:43.760 --> 1:51:47.160 then getting the apprenticeship to make all of those skills 1:51:47.280 --> 1:51:49.519 practical and to get you going in a career. Now 1:51:49.680 --> 1:51:51.840 that's I guess what we were in part discussing there 1:51:51.880 --> 1:51:55.640 with the time we had with Professor Glover. The apprenticeship 1:51:56.479 --> 1:52:00.719 seems to be often the boondoggle in the whole story. 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