Speaker 1: On two GB at network stations. This is Afternoons with
Speaker 1: Michael McLaren.
Speaker 2: All right, here we go ten past twelve. Thank you
Speaker 2: for being with us. It is Thursday afternoon, June five.
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Speaker 2: on the feedback icon. After one o'clock, I'm going to
Speaker 2: have a very important conversation with Professor k Cook. Kay
Speaker 2: is the Associate Dean of Research at Swinburne University. They've
Speaker 2: been looking at the issue of child and family support. Now.
Speaker 2: I appreciate this as a particularly difficult subject for many
Speaker 2: people to discuss, but perhaps you would like to share
Speaker 2: some of your opinions on this later today when we
Speaker 2: speak to the professor. The catalyst is that more than
Speaker 2: one point two million separated parents have child support arrangements,
Speaker 2: about one million children the recipient eighty four percent of
Speaker 2: parents receiving the payments of women. But according to a
Speaker 2: new report from the Commonwealth Onwardsman, thirty two percent of
Speaker 2: complaints about child's support or the scheme claim that it's
Speaker 2: been weaponized by ex partners. Now, I've had a number
Speaker 2: of people speak to me over the years, knowing what
Speaker 2: I do, and say, listen, at some point you raise
Speaker 2: this issue and look, to be honest, a lot of
Speaker 2: them seem to be fathers, saying, you know, I'm being
Speaker 2: told I've got to pay this sort of support, but
Speaker 2: I'm denied access to my child. And look, it's a
Speaker 2: world I know very little about, thankfully, because I grew
Speaker 2: up in a stable, loving family home environment and that's
Speaker 2: the environment we've got at home with our daughter. So
Speaker 2: touch would thank god this hasn't been something that I've
Speaker 2: had to intersect with at a personal level, but I
Speaker 2: would know people that have. When you look at the
Speaker 2: numbers one point two million separated parents, one million children.
Speaker 2: Chances are we all know at least one person or
Speaker 2: a few people for whom this is the arrangement, and
Speaker 2: for many it works fine. You know that love has
Speaker 2: broken down and the husband and the wife have gone
Speaker 2: their separate ways, and one earns more than the other
Speaker 2: or whatever it is, and so there is an arrangement
Speaker 2: made that through the separation there is some continuity of
Speaker 2: financial arrangement, and one partner gives money over to the
Speaker 2: other or vice versa for the betterment of the child. Now,
Speaker 2: you know, people, normal people say, well, look how that
Speaker 2: makes sense. That makes sense. You know, we've fallen out
Speaker 2: of love as a married couple, but we equally love
Speaker 2: the child, and raising children's in expensive business. And so okay,
Speaker 2: we appreciate that we no longer live under the same roof,
Speaker 2: but we have a commonality there, a common interest financially
Speaker 2: with the child, and we'll make this work. But clearly,
Speaker 2: in a lot of circumstances it doesn't work, and clearly
Speaker 2: in some circumstances it is being weaponized by ex partners.
Speaker 2: So I want to speak to Professor ka Cook and
Speaker 2: the team there at Swimburn have been looking at all
Speaker 2: of this. Some of the numbers will surprise you later
Speaker 2: on Anna Cordai Entertainment Experts. She's here with Screen Talk
Speaker 2: Leaver a bit of a look at the Sydney Film
Speaker 2: Festival that's getting under way. We're giving away double passes
Speaker 2: with track of the day of course. Also we'll have
Speaker 2: the midday movie review with Anna. It's a shocker. I'm
Speaker 2: told it's coming up. I think it's tomorrow on TV
Speaker 2: this one say get a bit of a foretaste. Jim
Speaker 2: will be here with Sydney Siders after two o'clock as well.
Speaker 2: Professor Barney Glover impressive human being Professor Glover. He's now
Speaker 2: the Commissioner of Jobs and Skills Australia. And there was
Speaker 2: a report out in the newspapers today suggesting that the
Speaker 2: Federal Labor government want to get the split between those
Speaker 2: going to university and those studying vocational courses, TAFE degrees
Speaker 2: and the like. They want to get that closer to
Speaker 2: fifty to fifty for too long, and they're right to
Speaker 2: point this out, my dude. They've been guilty, as have
Speaker 2: the Coalition in encouraging this, but for too long governments
Speaker 2: have been trying to push people toward universities, and they've
Speaker 2: got targets. Back in two thousand and eight, there was
Speaker 2: a report that wanted forty percent of the Australian populational
Speaker 2: workforce to have a tertiary degree by twenty twenty. Last
Speaker 2: year there was a report, I think it was the
Speaker 2: University's Accord Report or whatever it was released last year
Speaker 2: up that figure of fifty five percent. I mean, these
Speaker 2: are just you know, some would say it's just some
Speaker 2: government bureaucrat or whatever throwing a dart at the dart board.
Speaker 2: Oh fifty five percent, Yeah, let's have it. Why why
Speaker 2: do we need fifty five percent of the workforce to
Speaker 2: have a university degree. I'm not against universities, let alone
Speaker 2: degree they've got one. I know people have got three,
Speaker 2: and in a number of circumstances they're essential. I mean,
Speaker 2: you're not going to be a lawyer without a university degree.
Speaker 2: You're not going to be an architect without a university degree.
Speaker 2: I don't think you should be an engineer without a
Speaker 2: university degree. But there are a number of degrees out
Speaker 2: there which really I think is sort of surplus to
Speaker 2: requirement and people go and they do them because between
Speaker 2: government dictate and parental pressure, they think, well, I better
Speaker 2: do this because otherwise I've sort of wasted my schooling
Speaker 2: or I've wasted my good atar or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: And they're not considering going into a trade, whereas if
Speaker 2: they did do that, they probably get paid more earlier,
Speaker 2: they'd probably have a guaranteed job when they went through
Speaker 2: their apprenticeship, and for the broader economy, they would be
Speaker 2: making arguably a more valuable contribution to the GDP of Australia.
Speaker 2: So we need to debate this and discuss this, and
Speaker 2: it doesn't just have to come from government. I think
Speaker 2: there's there's a role here for parents. I have no
Speaker 2: doubt there's a lot of parents out there that push
Speaker 2: their children to go to university, even if the passion
Speaker 2: of the child has nothing to do with what a
Speaker 2: university can offer them and don't do with trade. That's
Speaker 2: not for you. You know you're smart, you should go
Speaker 2: to university, is the argument, Okain the number of circumstances, yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: but not in all And I think we need to
Speaker 2: recalibrate that conversation. So do that with Professor Glover later
Speaker 2: in the show. Anyway, as I said, that's just a
Speaker 2: few things on the agenda. It's what you're thinking about
Speaker 2: and what you want to talk about that really matters,
Speaker 2: and you let us know one three, one eight seven
Speaker 2: three is the best way of doing that. Seventeen past twelve. Well, look,
Speaker 2: here's a headline for you to start the day. White
Speaker 2: British people will become a minority in the UK population
Speaker 2: within the next forty years. Just think about that. White
Speaker 2: British people will become a minority in the UK population
Speaker 2: within the next forty years. Now, for those of us
Speaker 2: who have British ancestors, who've studied the kings and Queens
Speaker 2: of England in school history classes, who speak the English language,
Speaker 2: who think of pork Pie's big ben, red phone boxes
Speaker 2: and all of that, when we think of Britain, the
Speaker 2: idea that those aisles before too long will not be
Speaker 2: majority white does, I think take a bit of getting
Speaker 2: used to now. The headline comes from a new study
Speaker 2: by Professor Matt Goodwin. He's of Buckingham University, and he
Speaker 2: used something called the cohort component method. I think that's
Speaker 2: something many demographers utilized to try to predict the trend
Speaker 2: going forward. And as the professor says, unless there is
Speaker 2: a radical change of policy, the share of the UK
Speaker 2: population that is white British will fall sharply from just
Speaker 2: over seventy percent today to below thirty four percent by
Speaker 2: the year twenty one hundred. In other words, a tourist
Speaker 2: to London in say, seventy years time will be walking
Speaker 2: among a very different demographic as they take in the
Speaker 2: sites of Piccadilly Circus compared with a visitor in the
Speaker 2: nineteen nineties. Now, I guess the story here isn't so
Speaker 2: much that it highlights a changing population. Cities in particular
Speaker 2: have never been static entities. But it's the pace of
Speaker 2: change playing out before the British public's eyes that is
Speaker 2: the story. And whether that change is net positive or not.
Speaker 2: If it all happens too fast, the existing cohort will revolt,
Speaker 2: and that'll be out of fear that their customs, their language,
Speaker 2: laws in general way of life are under threat. I mean,
Speaker 2: that is simply the natural reaction, and it'd present itself
Speaker 2: in Bangalore as much as it would in Birmingham. But
Speaker 2: you see, none of this is by accident. The trend
Speaker 2: now presenting in the data is the result of years
Speaker 2: of government policy in Westminster by both Labor and Conservative administrations.
Speaker 2: As the UK Telegraph points out, Professor Goodwin's report fellows
Speaker 2: a period of unprecedented legal and illegal migration to Britain,
Speaker 2: those numbers hitting a record high of nine hundred and
Speaker 2: six thousand in twenty twenty three alone, and as we speak,
Speaker 2: the British Southeast Coast as being swamped by an endless
Speaker 2: wave of inflatable dinghies loaded with so called asylum seekers
Speaker 2: effectively waved across the Channel by the French. Now, all
Speaker 2: of those that are eventually granted the right to permanent
Speaker 2: residency accelerate the demographic change identified by Goodwin. Now, of course,
Speaker 2: in some areas, especially some of Britain's bigger cities, the
Speaker 2: proportion of the population that has Anglo, Saxon or Celtic
Speaker 2: ancestry has already slipped into the minority. The twenty twenty
Speaker 2: two census found both London and Birmingham had become minority
Speaker 2: white British. Many other areas in the old industrial North
Speaker 2: would also be the same. But of course one skin
Speaker 2: colour matters nought. It matters nought. In the post Martin
Speaker 2: Luther King world, the sensible people have to appreciate that
Speaker 2: we don't judge someone by the color of their skin,
Speaker 2: but rather by the nature of their character. In other words,
Speaker 2: one doesn't have to be white to be British. Britishness,
Speaker 2: like Australianness, is more a state of mind. It's a
Speaker 2: membership of a shared set of values and ideas, much
Speaker 2: more so than it is a shake of the old
Speaker 2: family tree. So all of those trends and population changes,
Speaker 2: they only matter if they come with associated shifts in
Speaker 2: attitudes to the traditional ties that bind Now. As Professor
Speaker 2: Goodwin found, by the end of this century, most of
Speaker 2: the people in Britain will not be able to trace
Speaker 2: their roots in the country back more than one or
Speaker 2: perhaps two generations. Now again, they need not matter as
Speaker 2: long as the process of integration is robust and effective.
Speaker 2: But as he goes on to say, quote this raises
Speaker 2: enormous questions about the capacity of our country and leaders
Speaker 2: to unify people around a shared sense of identity, values,
Speaker 2: ways of life and culture and avoid the very real
Speaker 2: risk of us becoming what keirstarm At, the Prime Minister,
Speaker 2: referred to in May as an island of strangers. End
Speaker 2: quote well, Sadly, Britain's leaders have shown scant recent capacity
Speaker 2: to unify people around those said values, culture, etc. And
Speaker 2: you get the feeling that, having stuffed themselves like a
Speaker 2: firegras goose full of post colonial guilt, they're petrified to
Speaker 2: champion the institutions and the cultural pillars that built one
Speaker 2: of the greatest civilizations the world has ever known. But
Speaker 2: unless they get on the front foot and start asserting
Speaker 2: what makes great Britain great, and no diversity in and
Speaker 2: of itself isn't top of that list, they risk returning
Speaker 2: to an age before the evolution of the nation state,
Speaker 2: or at the very least, a nation state where the
Speaker 2: traditional British values are usurped by those of somewhere else. Now,
Speaker 2: as they say, demography is destiny. And when you dig
Speaker 2: a little deeper into Professor Goodwin's report, the UK born
Speaker 2: fertility rate is one point thirty nine. Now the foreign
Speaker 2: born rate is just to touch under two. And if
Speaker 2: that holds true for a bunch of decades, the face
Speaker 2: of Britain is guaranteed to change, even if immigration is
Speaker 2: substantially rained in. But of course it won't be. But nonetheless,
Speaker 2: the mathematics is true now Obviously it's a similar story
Speaker 2: out here. The face of Australia has been evolving since
Speaker 2: the nineteen fifties and that evolution is clearly gathering pace now. Again,
Speaker 2: just like with Britain, it need not be anything to
Speaker 2: fear or worry about, as long as government demand adherence
Speaker 2: to the rules, institutions and cultural norms that were the
Speaker 2: cornerstone of our extraordinary success. They are the magic ties
Speaker 2: that bind irrespective of someone's heritage. But there's no doubt
Speaker 2: that the pace of change even here is proving a challenge,
Speaker 2: and it does present genuine questions about what such huge,
Speaker 2: indeed unprecedented changes in the composition of the population will
Speaker 2: mean for the future of nations all over the world.
Speaker 2: In fact, undergoing such an alteration twenty six past twelve,
Speaker 2: a lot of feedback about all of that. You can
Speaker 2: keep that coming in zero for six zero eight seven
Speaker 2: three eight seven three. Steve's buzzed in, Hi, Steve, Yeah,
Speaker 2: hey Michael, how are you good mate? Thanks?
Speaker 3: What you were just talking about demographics and countries are
Speaker 3: something that would be close knowledge for you. Is that
Speaker 3: Angela Merkel, going back a number of years ago through
Speaker 3: the gates open to over a million North African refugees,
Speaker 3: and very quickly the German people realize that within a generation,
Speaker 3: because all of those people took up citizenship, that within
Speaker 3: a generation they would completely change the demographics and the
Speaker 3: voting power as a block away from the German people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean that's true. The German political system
Speaker 2: is naive in some respects, isn't it, Steve, Because you
Speaker 2: had the CDU, which is Merkel's party, the Christian Democratic
Speaker 2: Union sent a right party, opened the doors, the demography changed,
Speaker 2: and then they get upset when the AfD rises and
Speaker 2: they say, well, how come this mob is getting so
Speaker 2: much support. I mean, you caused it, Fellers. So it's
Speaker 2: you know, it's a strange old system, but it's there
Speaker 2: are long term consequence Now, as I said, it need
Speaker 2: not be negative if people who arrive in whatever country
Speaker 2: around the world adopt and absorb the cultural and legal
Speaker 2: and whatever framework that is existing in the country. But
Speaker 2: if people come in and then want to change it,
Speaker 2: then we've got a problems.
Speaker 3: And that's exactly what happened with a lot of the
Speaker 3: youth gangs. Are ten years later and the gang rates
Speaker 3: and everything that was going on in Germany the moral
Speaker 3: and the whole moral fabric was starting to be changed
Speaker 3: and undermined by a group that was allowed in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's right. And Germany is still dealing with
Speaker 2: that problem today and I go back there quite frequently,
Speaker 2: as you know, and it is something that many people
Speaker 2: talk about in Germany and it is playing out in
Speaker 2: their politics today. And that is, well, what are we
Speaker 2: looking at now, ten to fifteen years almost or ten
Speaker 2: years I think after that decision by Angela Merkel or
Speaker 2: close to now probably, and yet it is it is
Speaker 2: still manifesting one way or the other in the way
Speaker 2: that people vote and talk politics in Germany even to
Speaker 2: this day and will continue to Thank you, Steve, I
Speaker 2: appreciate your call. One three one eight seven three Over
Speaker 2: to Perth quickly here. Now we've had a debate in
Speaker 2: New South Wales. I think most jurisdictions have about e
Speaker 2: scooters and e bikes and we've spoken to Harold Scrooby,
Speaker 2: We've spoken a range of people about this, and we
Speaker 2: know that the state labor government in New South Wales
Speaker 2: is favoring an acceptance model for a lot of these
Speaker 2: what are they called e chrow mobility devices or words
Speaker 2: to that effect rather than blanket bands or heavy restrictions. Now,
Speaker 2: obviously the main issue is no one can really argue
Speaker 2: or work out how all of the different ideas they're
Speaker 2: looking at could possibly be policed, you know, speed limits
Speaker 2: and this sort of thing. That won't happen. So it
Speaker 2: looks like it will be semi open slather at some
Speaker 2: point when it comes to escooters and e bikes in
Speaker 2: New South Wales, there'll be some restrictions, but how can
Speaker 2: you police love them? Now, let's go to Perth. This
Speaker 2: has just come through today the City of Perth. The
Speaker 2: council there is set to suspend the hiring of e
Speaker 2: scooters from today and that is following a fatal collision
Speaker 2: in the city over the weekend. It killed a fifty
Speaker 2: one year old pedestrian. The man was, according to the ABC,
Speaker 2: out for dinner in the Perth CBD Saturday night when
Speaker 2: he was struck at an intersection by an e scooter.
Speaker 2: Now he's believed to be the first pedestrian to die
Speaker 2: in an e scooter accident in all of West in Australia.
Speaker 2: A UK tourist as I See being charged with causing
Speaker 2: death while driving dangerously under the influence of alcohol. Perth
Speaker 2: Deputy Lord Mayor Bruce Reynolds said that the hiring of
Speaker 2: et scooters would be suspended from midday today in response. Now,
Speaker 2: the Premier of w A, Roger Cook, was asked about
Speaker 2: this at a press conference about something else, and he said, look,
Speaker 2: he supports supports the suspension given the circumstances, but he
Speaker 2: said it would be a pity to permanently ban the
Speaker 2: use of the scooters. Okay, So this, I guess, is
Speaker 2: the question off the back of this very sad story
Speaker 2: in the West. And you know, I don't want to
Speaker 2: sound like the gun lobby in America that's that run
Speaker 2: that line. Oh, you know, guns don't kill people. It's
Speaker 2: only bad people with a gun. You know, that's just
Speaker 2: a minute. But when we look at scooters or e
Speaker 2: bikes or whatnot, we need to ask the question. And
Speaker 2: I don't know if I have the answer because I
Speaker 2: haven't looked into it enough. But many of you have.
Speaker 2: In many of you on these coastal communities and northern
Speaker 2: beaches the Shire. I mean, you're living with these things
Speaker 2: all the time, whizzing around, So you can tell me
Speaker 2: is it the device that's the problem, or is it
Speaker 2: the individual that utilizes the device. That's the problem. Now
Speaker 2: I'm not going to reflect on what's happened in Wa.
Speaker 2: This will be a court matter, but suffice to say,
Speaker 2: generally speaking, if somebody is intoxicated and they get into
Speaker 2: a motor vehicle, non e anything, it's just traditional combustion
Speaker 2: injured motor vehicle and they kill somebody. Nobody's out there saying, look,
Speaker 2: what we should do is ban higher cars. No one
Speaker 2: says that. Okay, let's look at drink driving rules, let's
Speaker 2: look at alcohol limits, this sort of thing. Now, I
Speaker 2: think really where we need to go, be it in
Speaker 2: your South Wales, WA, Queensland, ac wherever with these emerging
Speaker 2: technologies is down the registration path, registration and insurance and
Speaker 2: identify as like number plates. I think that's where you've
Speaker 2: got to go. Is sure, there's got to be speed
Speaker 2: limits and there's got to be restrictions where motorized mechanized
Speaker 2: devices can operate. I've got a big problem with e
Speaker 2: things operating on footpaths. They're going faster than a pedestrian.
Speaker 2: Therefore there is the inclination toward danger. So we've got
Speaker 2: to look at that. But there is a movement out there,
Speaker 2: and I understand it. There's a movement out there saying, look,
Speaker 2: well let's just ban these things, ban e bikes, ban
Speaker 2: e scooters. But that's not going to happen, okay. So
Speaker 2: I think we've got to be practical and say, how
Speaker 2: can we restrict the use in the same way we
Speaker 2: restrict the use of motor vehicles if we I mean,
Speaker 2: you can't drive a car just anywhere, stick to the road.
Speaker 2: So there's restrictions about the use of certain devices that
Speaker 2: are motorized that can cause damage far greater than if
Speaker 2: a human were to bump into another human. And so
Speaker 2: this this is where I think the focus has to be. Now,
Speaker 2: whether the proposals the state government here seem to be
Speaker 2: mulling over about certain speed limits depending on the type
Speaker 2: of track you're using and all this sort of thing,
Speaker 2: whether that goes far enough or is missing the point.
Speaker 2: I'll leave for you to decide and you can tell
Speaker 2: me one three one eight seven three. I appreciate. I
Speaker 2: understand why in the West they're suspending the use of
Speaker 2: e scooter hiring following this tragic event. You essentially can
Speaker 2: stop the hiring, focus on what needs to be done,
Speaker 2: and then restart the process when you have the correct
Speaker 2: regulatory framework in place. But there will be some even
Speaker 2: over there, so let's just ban these things are good.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that's a practical or be even necessary.
Speaker 2: But there again, I say again on the record, I
Speaker 2: don't live in a part of Sydney where these things
Speaker 2: are whizzing around every I mean, we get the e
Speaker 2: bikes and they're just being dumped near the canal. I just
Speaker 2: I don't know who gets on them, but that they
Speaker 2: you know, like like mice or mushrooms. I just keep
Speaker 2: producing every day more of these green, stupid things. No
Speaker 2: one seems to be using them, but a lot of
Speaker 2: people want to dump them near a canal. Funnily enough,
Speaker 2: But is the way to go to ban them or
Speaker 2: is it to regulate it? You can tell me one
Speaker 2: three one eight seven three. Keep the text coming as well.
Speaker 2: Zero four six zero eight seven three eight seven three.
Speaker 2: Ye have some fantastic feedback coming in. Thank you for
Speaker 2: all of that. Zero four six zero eight seven three
Speaker 2: eight seven three. Jacks says what a number of people say.
Speaker 2: Says simple solution to the e bikes and the scooters
Speaker 2: has just enforced the laws as they stand enforce the
Speaker 2: laws as they stand. Well, the law at the moment
Speaker 2: I think says that you are not allowed to have
Speaker 2: an escooter. I think that's the law, and of course
Speaker 2: that is far more oddered in the breach than the observance.
Speaker 2: As we've said, I don't know anyone and I know
Speaker 2: people that have the scooters. I don't know anyone who
Speaker 2: has been told off by the authorities because they're in
Speaker 2: possession of something which I think, certainly up until the
Speaker 2: week before last was illegal in New South Wales. And
Speaker 2: he says in Thailand fourteen thousand people died on motorcycles
Speaker 2: in accidents last year. Are they going to band those Well,
Speaker 2: no they're not, And I guess in part that is
Speaker 2: the point. Scotty says. In Europe, these scooters are all
Speaker 2: over the place and just left disregarded. I was with
Speaker 2: a friend in Barcelona and he tripped over one that
Speaker 2: wasn't even being used. We don't want that. Sydney's already
Speaker 2: a bit hazardous enough for pedestrians as it is. Thank you, Scotty.
Speaker 2: No name on this one, but they say what many
Speaker 2: are saying on the text, if you register and enshore.
Speaker 2: But that's one step. But of course if they're then
Speaker 2: hide out without idea, one could just run off if
Speaker 2: something bad were to happen. Yeah, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 2: But I suppose if you made it a little like
Speaker 2: high cars, that business model, then there would be a
Speaker 2: traceability to a degree back to who was in person
Speaker 2: of the vehicle at the time of the incident. Not
Speaker 2: as simple as a high car. I get that, but
Speaker 2: that should be maybe where we're hitting Michael, good afternoon.
Speaker 4: Good afternoon. How are you the sup?
Speaker 2: I'm all right, thank you, that's good.
Speaker 4: I just want to give you an account of my
Speaker 4: thirty year old daughter. So she was at a bus
Speaker 4: stop waiting to catch a bus to work, and she
Speaker 4: signaled the bus as it arrived, but she had her
Speaker 4: puddle of water in front of her, so she stepped
Speaker 4: back and she got knocked high by these scooter Anyway,
Speaker 4: she hid her laying on the ground that looked at
Speaker 4: the scooter driver. He just got up, klopped on his
Speaker 4: scooter and off again. And as she tried to get up,
Speaker 4: the bus driver just drove past her. She caught the
Speaker 4: next bus and went into work and worked. Said listen,
Speaker 4: you're too distressed. You're in too much pain. They ranged
Speaker 4: for someone to take her home and she spent the
Speaker 4: next two weeks getting almost daily video. So I'm out
Speaker 4: there myself. I'm retired and on my walking group. As
Speaker 4: you walk along, they ride past you. They don't bother
Speaker 4: ringing bells or letting you know they're coming, and they
Speaker 4: just fly past. The old courtesy is ringing the bell
Speaker 4: as you went past as you ride the bike, just
Speaker 4: to let someone know you're coming. They've got to do that.
Speaker 4: But they've got to do something with the e bikes
Speaker 4: by slowing them down, yes, so that they just can't
Speaker 4: speed past you at thirty k's yep.
Speaker 2: No, I'm with you. I'm completely on board with all
Speaker 2: of that. As I said, I don't think banning them
Speaker 2: is the answer, because there's already over what is at
Speaker 2: one point three million e bikes, e scooters, e whatever's
Speaker 2: already just in New South Wales, I believe. So you're
Speaker 2: not going to have a buy back or it's not
Speaker 2: going to happen. But we've got to look at regulation
Speaker 2: and we have to seriously and quickly get the government
Speaker 2: to look at the way these things are legally allowed
Speaker 2: to operate. Now, whether that's only on bike paths or
Speaker 2: only in certain conditions, not just raffity's rules, which seems
Speaker 2: to be the case at the moment. I mean that's
Speaker 2: it's got to happen fast, because what happened to your
Speaker 2: daughter sadly happens too frequently and it's got to stop.
Speaker 2: It's got to stop. Government to have a duty of care.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Michael, I appreciate the call, and we send
Speaker 2: our love to your daughter.
Speaker 4: Hello John, Hey mate, how are you good?
Speaker 2: Mate?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Look, I worked at one of the units in Canberra
Speaker 6: and we had a never ending list of problems with
Speaker 6: these scooters. They were just discarded in the middle of
Speaker 6: pass when you walk out of buildings, and in the
Speaker 6: end we actually gf and them with the main scooter providers. Yes,
Speaker 6: but do you have the people who can modify their
Speaker 6: aftermarket scooters? And then on top of that, you've got
Speaker 6: deliverer people and all that that come through the campus
Speaker 6: and they leave the road doing forty to fifty k's
Speaker 6: and just go straight through the campus at the same street.
Speaker 6: And we had a few accidents which were quite bad.
Speaker 3: But they're all trying.
Speaker 6: To be sort of hushed up because they want to
Speaker 6: promote the use of scooters. But where it started coming
Speaker 6: up unstuck was when the cyclists and the scooters clashed.
Speaker 6: And there's no way you can actually take a side,
Speaker 6: you know, like if you're working at the UNI or
Speaker 6: as an authoritarian sort of overseer, because they're promoting cyclists
Speaker 6: as much as scooters. But you know the problem with
Speaker 6: the scooters. The kids have a vendor and whatever they
Speaker 6: do after exams, and you know, we're fishing them out
Speaker 6: of the creeks in the lake.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's right, Yeah, well exactly. And there's the additional issue,
Speaker 2: of course of the lithium ion batteries and we've seen
Speaker 2: so many house fires and who knows what else now
Speaker 2: because of that, these things being left to charge a
Speaker 2: therm or run away. There's a stack of issues. The
Speaker 2: question is, I guess, John, how do we deal with it?
Speaker 2: We've got the problem, it's before us. The devices are everywhere,
Speaker 2: So what are we going to do? And this is
Speaker 2: something that government all over the continent, indeed all over
Speaker 2: the world and grappling with at the moment, because in
Speaker 2: so many circumstances, governments and legislation react rather than preempt
Speaker 2: a problem arising. Now I mean, yeah, smart people. Anyone
Speaker 2: with the Nike over twenty could have told you these
Speaker 2: sort of problems are going to come when these devices
Speaker 2: started coming on mass. But government sort of undernard and
Speaker 2: just waited for it to happen, and probably people early
Speaker 2: on to all this is fun, look at this new
Speaker 2: bit of kid. And now we've got a problem, and
Speaker 2: it's a big problem, and so they're scrambling with reviews
Speaker 2: and legislation and who knows what has to try to
Speaker 2: rectify the problem. But I mean, yes that your ideas
Speaker 2: are as good as the government's. Believe me. Thank you
Speaker 2: for your call. Tony in Brisbane.
Speaker 7: Tony, Oh good, I how are you well?
Speaker 2: Mate? Thank you good.
Speaker 7: I think it's just an easy answer for this in
Speaker 7: so far as I'm a pensioner and I'm going to
Speaker 7: no doubt soon up the road have one of these
Speaker 7: electrical buggers that only go a few kilometers on our
Speaker 7: You've got bicycles on the footpaths that don't cause any problems.
Speaker 7: Just restrict when you make these scooters so they can't
Speaker 7: go far sent say eight kilometers an hour?
Speaker 2: Yeah, a speed limit in essence.
Speaker 7: Well no, so when you buy one, that's the fastest
Speaker 7: they'll go.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, all right, well look I think yes. I mean,
Speaker 2: technically you could make that happen. I'm quite sure whether
Speaker 2: people could then in the backyard, as it were, tinker
Speaker 2: with it and modified I don't know, mind you. If
Speaker 2: they were to do that and the law said you
Speaker 2: could only go x kilometers an hour at the most,
Speaker 2: and they were clocked somehow doing more than that, you
Speaker 2: could find them pretty hard and heavy. But Tony, I
Speaker 2: appreciate that thought as well. Thank you. It's fourteen to
Speaker 2: one three one eight seven three the open line number
Speaker 2: more after this. Great to be with you on this
Speaker 2: cold but beautiful Thursday. Was gonna say morning afternoon, now,
Speaker 2: isn't It's eleven minster one one three one eight seven
Speaker 2: three now. Yesterday we had a real triumph of radio,
Speaker 2: probably ACCRA Award winning stuff, if I'm not being too immodest,
Speaker 2: when we played guess the grunt, and we had a
Speaker 2: very successful person that could decipher the Monica seller's grunt
Speaker 2: as opposed to Maria sharapovn Arena Sablenka. There were degrees
Speaker 2: of decibels being reached there that I think almost defied science,
Speaker 2: but in a sort of flurry of extensive research after
Speaker 2: the program, we uncovered what we believe and I can't
Speaker 2: sort of in a Guinness World Record since prove this,
Speaker 2: but I believe this to be true. The most extraordinary
Speaker 2: female tennis grunt e woman would be grunty, wouldn't it
Speaker 2: grunt it that has ever participated in the world of
Speaker 2: professional tennis. Have to listen to this. I mean that
Speaker 2: is just a can we have that again? G I
Speaker 2: mean that that is something I just people who just
Speaker 2: tuning in this. This is from the tennis court. I
Speaker 2: just hastened to add, So have a listen to this.
Speaker 2: That's extraordinary. That was just in the warm up. Now
Speaker 2: if you can tell me who that was, you know,
Speaker 2: the a bomb of tennis grunts two g be prize
Speaker 2: pack coming your way, all right, one three, one eight
Speaker 2: seven three. Now I'm willing to put I said, yes,
Speaker 2: I'm willing to put ten dollars down. No one knows
Speaker 2: who that was because it's it may not be a
Speaker 2: household name. It might be some parts of the world,
Speaker 2: but not here anyway. Just before we go back to
Speaker 2: calls on more substantive matters, as you think about who
Speaker 2: was that and you're grateful that you don't live next
Speaker 2: door to them. Now this is this extraordinary lady in
Speaker 2: full flight mid set. Have a listen to this now.
Speaker 2: I think they were cheering because you finally shut up.
Speaker 2: I don't think there is could take it anymore. The
Speaker 2: dogs were barking in the neighborhood. I un'tbelieve you know
Speaker 2: if you know who that is, or you want to
Speaker 2: have a crack one three, one eight seven three or
Speaker 2: two JB prize pack will come to the winner. All right,
Speaker 2: let's get back to all these calls about e bikes,
Speaker 2: Matt's at Gosford and a Matt Hey maybe done better
Speaker 2: than that woman. What's on your mind?
Speaker 8: Not wrong? This is all showing all that grunking is
Speaker 8: going to take the energy out of the game.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to concertainly destroying the vocal cords.
Speaker 8: I'm just ringing about the e byks. I'm an I'm
Speaker 8: a motorates driver and an e bike rider. I do both.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I've got a lushy of doing it. I've got
Speaker 8: a bike, my bike part and then a bike laying
Speaker 8: on the way to work. So I'm I think I'm
Speaker 8: doing it all legally. Anyway, but this one of your
Speaker 8: callers before was they're saying about you know, I'm very
Speaker 8: courteous with when I see people walking on the paths
Speaker 8: and that I've got a horn, I use it. But
Speaker 8: I find most of these people well that they've got
Speaker 8: things in there is they're not looking at where they
Speaker 8: get walking. You know, they're right across the wide walking path.
Speaker 8: You know, it's very hard to we neither way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it. And there are a lot of
Speaker 2: people now that are not pedestrians but zombies. As you say,
Speaker 2: they've got the noise canceling headphones on, they got their
Speaker 2: head in their telephone. They wouldn't know where they are.
Speaker 2: You know, a bomb could go off, they wouldn't have
Speaker 2: a clue. And equally, I've seen people on these e
Speaker 2: scooters that are kitted up the same way. So there's
Speaker 2: zombies with a battery under their feet. Right. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: it's a worry got on your mat. I appreciate you call.
Speaker 2: Thank you safe driving Tony todayry Tony, Sorry, just just
Speaker 2: hold that thought. The line's terrible, will fix the line up,
Speaker 2: will come back to you. Michael at Penrith today, Michael
Speaker 2: and cool.
Speaker 5: How I thanks to take them my call pleasure on
Speaker 5: the e bikes as well. I just I know it's
Speaker 5: thinking outside the box, but look, when you go into
Speaker 5: a factory environment, forklip has a beeping sound so that
Speaker 5: people know that they're there. Most injuries, I think from
Speaker 5: e bytes come because people can't hear them coming. So
Speaker 5: why can't they make it mandatory to have some sort
Speaker 5: of audible sound on these things so people are forewarned
Speaker 5: when they're coming.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, it's nice idea. Yeah, I think so. I
Speaker 2: know because I take buses occasionally, these new pure electric buses,
Speaker 2: which are very quiet. They have a little ding ding
Speaker 2: sound as they drive. It's almost like a tram. I
Speaker 2: got one the other day and I could hear this
Speaker 2: ding ding ding ding. Okay, what the hell is that?
Speaker 2: And then sure enough it was the bus. Because they're
Speaker 2: so quiet, that's a safety device that has been built
Speaker 2: in externally to the bus. Obviously for people who are
Speaker 2: vision impaired or whatever, that would be a great asset
Speaker 2: as well. So I think that's part of maybe what
Speaker 2: needs to be done Michael, in the broader gamut of things.
Speaker 2: Thank you for the call. Now, look I've got I've
Speaker 2: got a Gazellian calls and techna all of the people
Speaker 2: saying Maria Sharapova wrong. Now someone said it's Sharapov. I
Speaker 2: know that grunt anywhere. I don't know how, but it
Speaker 2: wasn't her. It wasn't Sharapova. It was somebody else one three,
Speaker 2: one eight seven three. And now Bernadette, I think is
Speaker 2: going to have a crack of this. Bernadette, who was
Speaker 2: the Gruntette?
Speaker 4: I think it was Monica Sallis. She was the original
Speaker 4: and perch ever to start grunting.
Speaker 2: She was the original, but she wasn't the best, if
Speaker 2: I can put it that way, because she she couldn't
Speaker 2: reach decibels of the nature of this lady. No, it
Speaker 2: wasn't Monica. Seller's thank you for try. Rick, Hello, Rick, Rick,
Speaker 2: who is it?
Speaker 8: Oh, I've already answered.
Speaker 4: I said it was scharipage, but I'll just told her tronk.
Speaker 2: No, Unfortunately it wasn't Sharpova. Rick, Thank you for try
Speaker 2: Who we got here? Sam? Hello? Sam?
Speaker 4: Hey mate? How are you going?
Speaker 2: Good? Mate? How are you well? Who was it?
Speaker 5: I believe it was Victoria ad.
Speaker 2: No, No, she can deliver a good grunt, but it
Speaker 2: wasn't her. Let's get one more in here, Malcolm, who
Speaker 2: do you reckon? Was it was the grunter?
Speaker 9: Yes?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, she can deliver a belter, but it
Speaker 2: wasn't even her. No no. We will have to carry
Speaker 2: this over till after the news. I tell you what
Speaker 2: instead of the two GB pack, let's do this. Let's
Speaker 2: give away a family past to Taronga Zoo. Let's do
Speaker 2: that for the person who can guess the grunt it.
Speaker 2: This is from Wayne who says was it Greta Tunberg
Speaker 2: after Labor approved the gas project in Wa? Not bad
Speaker 2: but no.
Speaker 10: News is next now on TGB and network stations.
Speaker 11: Back to afternoons with Michael McLaren.
Speaker 2: L ed at the second hour. Thank you for your company.
Speaker 2: One three one eight seven three the open line number.
Speaker 2: We are playing a game of guess the grunt are
Speaker 2: out of nowhere? Hit Mi? Do I have a family
Speaker 2: pass to Taronga Zoo to give away? Of course? Today
Speaker 2: is Taronga Giving Day and you can donate by visiting
Speaker 2: give dot Taronga dot org dot a U. All donations
Speaker 2: of two dollars or more I think a tax deductible
Speaker 2: for Australian residents, so give dot org dot au. It's
Speaker 2: all going to a very very good cause. All right,
Speaker 2: let's say if we can find the winner before we
Speaker 2: move on, Mark, who do you.
Speaker 4: Think it is?
Speaker 2: Mark?
Speaker 6: On?
Speaker 2: And hang on, let's try Anthony first. Anthony, Hi, how
Speaker 2: are you good?
Speaker 4: Mate?
Speaker 2: Who do you reckon? Was?
Speaker 8: I think it's Michelle Lada DeBrito.
Speaker 2: Now a few people think it is Michelle. Michelle has
Speaker 2: some very very significant bagpipes in play. It wasn't her,
Speaker 2: But this is Michelle. I understand where you got it,
Speaker 2: but that's slightly off, Anthony. Imagine Michelle playing the actual
Speaker 2: woman here. My goodness, Mark, who do you reckon? It was.
Speaker 12: Emily Moresmo, the French girl.
Speaker 2: The French It wasn't Emily Moresmo. Thank you for trying. Peter.
Speaker 2: Who do you think Peter? Oh?
Speaker 9: Sorry, Arrange, she's Baccario.
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't her, Thank you, Peter. Narrator, What do
Speaker 2: you reckon?
Speaker 12: I reckon it's Serena Williams.
Speaker 2: No, not Serena. Serena I think might have been one
Speaker 2: of the screams at the end of the long one
Speaker 2: we played, because she was in the match we got
Speaker 2: the audio from. But no, no, the grant wasn't Serena.
Speaker 2: Per se Karen.
Speaker 13: Him, Michael as March Sina.
Speaker 2: Hingish, No, No, the Swiss miss wasn't her. John, Who
Speaker 2: do you think?
Speaker 5: Thanks?
Speaker 2: I think John, johnny're there? No, that's not working, John.
Speaker 2: The line's not good. By the way, it wasn't Anna Cornerkovia.
Speaker 2: But thanks for trying. Graham.
Speaker 9: I've actually changed mind to Contrita Martinez.
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't Who was your first guess?
Speaker 14: Ah, the French girl Emily Maresmo?
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't her, or was they written here Guarrezmo
Speaker 2: up on the screen? Might have been a cousin from
Speaker 2: across the border. Now, Hank, Hank, Hank, Hank, who do
Speaker 2: you think it is?
Speaker 12: Caroline?
Speaker 8: Wasn't Aid?
Speaker 2: No, not Caroline. We're never going to get this, are we.
Speaker 2: Let's try one more before I ran out of breath. George,
Speaker 2: who is it?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll tell you who it is.
Speaker 8: It's an Italian player. She's five foot four.
Speaker 3: It's Jasmina Paulini.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you, George, that's well explained. But it
Speaker 2: wasn't her. But take it for the details and the guests. No,
Speaker 2: do it. I'll tell you what. Let's hold this till tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Let's let's hold this to tomorrow, shall we? I tell
Speaker 2: you what I will do narrator who called from Concord
Speaker 2: and she said, Serena Williams. Serena was in the longer package.
Speaker 2: So we'll give narrator a two GB prize pack. All right,
Speaker 2: narrator get a consolation prize. But the grunter wasn't her.
Speaker 2: It wasn't her. One three one eight seven three. We'll
Speaker 2: take a break and we'll recalibrate and come back with
Speaker 2: something a little more substantial. Okay. Now, I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: say we're going to give a two GB prize pack
Speaker 2: away to the I was a k a little earlier,
Speaker 2: was it? Who was it that just got that from
Speaker 2: from the Inner West? Sorry narrator yep. So I'll tell
Speaker 2: you what we're going to do. Narrat We're going to
Speaker 2: give you a Tarronga pack anyway. Okay, so you get
Speaker 2: the family pass to Taronga Zoo. We've got another one
Speaker 2: when we get the actual answer tomorrow. No more, cause
Speaker 2: we'll deal with the grunters tomorrow. And someone Steve said, oh,
Speaker 2: was there mail grunts? Yeah, there's mail grunters. That might
Speaker 2: be one for next week. We're going to have guess
Speaker 2: the heat grunter. We've got all of that for you
Speaker 2: next week. But today, being Torono Giving Day, let's give
Speaker 2: one of these way anyway. So it happens to be
Speaker 2: World Environment Day as well. Today the Zoo aiming to
Speaker 2: raise money for their brand new Taronga Wildlife Hospital. I
Speaker 2: heard Mark talking about that earlier. The current hospital is
Speaker 2: fifty years old, you see, and it's operating way beyond
Speaker 2: what it was built to manage, taking in one hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty five animals each month. So on Taronga Giving Day,
Speaker 2: they're asking for our support to raise that final three
Speaker 2: percent of cash that's needed for the project. I'm sure
Speaker 2: we'll get there. Not only that, all donations made today
Speaker 2: will be quadrupled by some very very generous and kind sponsors.
Speaker 2: So the new hospital will provide expanded surgical, rehabilitation and
Speaker 2: quarantine facilities to meet the growing demand. And it will
Speaker 2: include a marine recovery center, modern surgical facilities, and an
Speaker 2: intensive care unit and rehab spaces and a whole stack
Speaker 2: more so it'll be state of the art. You can donate,
Speaker 2: by the way, by visiting give dot dot org dot
Speaker 2: a year as we mentioned earlier, but one of those
Speaker 2: family passes coming away narrative one three one eight seven three. Okay,
Speaker 2: right on quarter past one. As I said earlier, I
Speaker 2: want to look at an issue today. It is often
Speaker 2: pushed to the side because of just how combative, confrontational
Speaker 2: and upsetting an issue it can be. And that is
Speaker 2: the world of child and family support. Now. As it stands,
Speaker 2: more than one point two million separated parents have child
Speaker 2: support arrangements and it's for around a million children. About
Speaker 2: eighty four percent of parents receiving payments are women. But
Speaker 2: according to a new report from the Commonwealth Ombudsman, thirty
Speaker 2: two percent of complaints about the child support scheme claim
Speaker 2: it is being weaponized by ex partners. Now, if that
Speaker 2: was one or two percent, you think, okay, that's a glitch.
Speaker 2: Thirty two percent of complaints say that it has been
Speaker 2: weaponized by ex partners. Clearly there's a problem now. The
Speaker 2: report also found that thousands of parents simply aren't being
Speaker 2: paid support. In fact, one hundred and fifty three thousand
Speaker 2: have a combined one point nine billion dollars in unpaid
Speaker 2: child so now, the report from the Ombunsman calls out
Speaker 2: Services Australia for not using its powers to stop this
Speaker 2: from happening. I wanted to speak to Professor k Cook.
Speaker 2: Kay's an Associate Dean in Research at the School of
Speaker 2: Social Sciences, Media, Film and Education at Swinburne University. She's
Speaker 2: with me on the line, K. Thank you for your time.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it, no problem.
Speaker 13: I thought I'd want to tarroong the prize pack for
Speaker 13: a minute. Oh yeah, thinking this is going really well.
Speaker 2: We why not? I'm sure, I'm sure we're going to
Speaker 2: rage that. Let's get through this verst though. Hey, I
Speaker 2: mean it's a very serious issue. And now I was
Speaker 2: reading about this report, I was taken aback by just
Speaker 2: how much money is being withheld by one partner or
Speaker 2: another in the system. I mean, you know what, did
Speaker 2: I say? One point nine billion dollars. That's a stonking
Speaker 2: sum of cash.
Speaker 13: And that's only for the fifty percent of the caseload
Speaker 13: that transfers these payments via Services Australia. The other fifty
Speaker 13: percent of the caseload transfer payments by a bank transfer
Speaker 13: or in an envelope or cash in the kid's backpack
Speaker 13: when they travel back and forth between houses. We have
Speaker 13: no idea how much money is or isn't paid in
Speaker 13: that system, and it's likely to be sometimes that private
Speaker 13: transfers can work perfectly. We're not talking about sort of
Speaker 13: a sixty ish percent of the caseload where there's no problem.
Speaker 13: But so that's thirty percent that private system can be
Speaker 13: used to say yes, absolutely, I'll pay you money and
Speaker 13: never pay them and there's no recourse all right.
Speaker 2: Now, Look, it's a system I have no familiarity with.
Speaker 2: Thank goodness, I've been fortunate. My parents were happily married,
Speaker 2: they raise my brother and I my wife and I
Speaker 2: happily married, we're raising our daughter. We don't have need
Speaker 2: to delve into this, but clearly many many people do.
Speaker 2: And as we said, the whole system need not be
Speaker 2: about animosity and whatever. I mean, the majority of cases
Speaker 2: it works. Well, it's the conduit to make sure that
Speaker 2: both contribute financially to the upbringing of the child. And
Speaker 2: so that's completely appropriate. But when you look at the
Speaker 2: thirty odd percent, I mean, that is a very big
Speaker 2: percentage that are saying now this is being weaponized, now
Speaker 2: that it can be a loaded term. So when we
Speaker 2: say weaponized, what are we really talking.
Speaker 13: About here, Well, it's many things. So first of all,
Speaker 13: that thirty percent figure almost identically matches the Australian Institute
Speaker 13: of Family Studies a report that came out on the
Speaker 13: same day about the incidence of people using violence men
Speaker 13: using violence in intimate partner relationships. It's one in three
Speaker 13: when the opportunity is for physical violence, and control that
Speaker 13: goes along with that in relationships ends when they separate.
Speaker 13: Financial control is a really great means of continuing that
Speaker 13: control and violence against someone remotely. And women who receive
Speaker 13: family tax benefits for their children are compelled to enter
Speaker 13: the child support system. So it's the compulsory engagement in this,
Speaker 13: and then it relies on both parents submitting tax returns,
Speaker 13: accurate tax returns, women receiving family tax benefit. The government
Speaker 13: pays really close attention to that. You can't receive family
Speaker 13: tax benefits if you're not lodging a tax return or
Speaker 13: if they think you're minimizing your income, the government's not
Speaker 13: going to give you benefits. But for the paying parents,
Speaker 13: particularly if they're self employed or they have business structures,
Speaker 13: it's much more available to them to not lodge returns,
Speaker 13: and we see sometimes it's decades people not lodging returns,
Speaker 13: or they can minimize sorrow in my jobs. Of course,
Speaker 13: the posts coming right at the same time, and the
Speaker 13: dogs are going bananas. Now it's much easier for payers
Speaker 13: support to use their business structures to delay tax returns,
Speaker 13: to minimize payments, to move money into their business to
Speaker 13: make it look like their income is very small, so
Speaker 13: that then they don't need to pay as much tax.
Speaker 13: But they also then aren't contributing money that they have
Speaker 13: to their own children. So it's both tax evasions through
Speaker 13: often through legal means, though legally using business arrangements to
Speaker 13: minimize your taxes, but it's also minimizing the support to
Speaker 13: their own children.
Speaker 2: Yes, well that's the end result, isn't okay? But I
Speaker 2: don't know if the report does this or not. But
Speaker 2: does the report try to find the or identify the
Speaker 2: catalyst for some of this tax evasion, because I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously it seems to be that a lot of the
Speaker 2: victims of this process are the mother or the women
Speaker 2: in the relationship. But some of the men listening would
Speaker 2: say to me, well, look, you know, my ex wife
Speaker 2: denies me access to my child, so this is my
Speaker 2: way of payback, I suppose or something. All right, well
Speaker 2: I'll get them in the pocket. I mean, is the
Speaker 2: catalyst identified for why some of this is happening.
Speaker 13: This all goes back to two thousand and five, when
Speaker 13: or two thousand and three there was an inquiry brought
Speaker 13: in by the Howard government. Changes came in OVERSUS two
Speaker 13: thousand and six to two thousand and eight, and then
Speaker 13: that's continued on. But that's the system we've got now.
Speaker 13: It sets parents against each other. Every little, every dollar,
Speaker 13: every night of overnight care can be weaponized. Every dollar
Speaker 13: feeds into the system. The proportion that each parent has
Speaker 13: of caring for children feeds in and that's used to
Speaker 13: calculate the amount to be paid. So the more overnight
Speaker 13: care you have, the less you need to contribute as
Speaker 13: a cash contribution, and the more ur earn relative to
Speaker 13: the other parents. Then each parent gets a self support
Speaker 13: amount and the rest is used to calculate, well, then
Speaker 13: what's children share of that money. So we've created this
Speaker 13: system that can be weaponized. Every dollar and every night
Speaker 13: can be fought over to the death and when For
Speaker 13: a lot of people it works fine, But for people
Speaker 13: where they're looking for those leavers to exert control. Our
Speaker 13: research has found that payments are most often withheld or
Speaker 13: can be most often be held right before Christmas, right
Speaker 13: before the children's birthdays, right before school starts, so that
Speaker 13: it's the resonant parent who's eighty four percent of the times,
Speaker 13: the mother that it looks bad to their children. They
Speaker 13: couldn't buy them a Christmas present, they couldn't buy them
Speaker 13: new school shoes or write books, they couldn't get them
Speaker 13: a birthday present. Nor haven't party used by some parents
Speaker 13: to cause harm to their ex partner and through that
Speaker 13: cause harm to their own children.
Speaker 2: I don't understand how anyone could cause harm to their child,
Speaker 2: even if they completely fell out of love with their
Speaker 2: wife or husband. But again I'm just fortunate, I suppose
Speaker 2: in that respect. When we talk about financial abuse, I mean,
Speaker 2: we've outlined some of what goes on, but is the
Speaker 2: report I think made clear it's not just the not
Speaker 2: making of payments, as you said, it's the lying to
Speaker 2: reduce income and there are other techniques that are being utilized.
Speaker 2: All of this has come up in the report, but
Speaker 2: it does seem the Obmuinsman's report was pretty scathing of
Speaker 2: Services Australia. Now they administer the scheme, do they not?
Speaker 2: But the argument is they're not using the available powers
Speaker 2: to them to stop the abuse.
Speaker 13: It's a really multifaceted problem. So the tax onwardsmen released
Speaker 13: a report a couple of months ago that the Tax
Speaker 13: Office is really central implicated in this as well, where
Speaker 13: they see people with income so low that they'd qualify
Speaker 13: for Centillink benefits, but they're not claiming centill Link benefits.
Speaker 13: That's a red flag that if these are child support parents,
Speaker 13: they're likely minimizing their income to avoid pay. Then there's
Speaker 13: services in Australia just lets people ring up and estimate
Speaker 13: their income. Because the systems built on this sort of
Speaker 13: white picket fence view of people in full time waged
Speaker 13: employment that doesn't change over the course of the year.
Speaker 13: That's not how people work anymore. The gig economy, casualization
Speaker 13: incomes do change, so paying parents sometimes they're able to
Speaker 13: afford their annual child support amount, sometimes they're not. So
Speaker 13: the system lets parents ring up and say, oh my
Speaker 13: my income's not going to be two thousand dollars anymore
Speaker 13: this month it's actually dropped to two hundred dollars, and
Speaker 13: Services Australia takes that often with no evidence and the
Speaker 13: kicker is so going right back to the beginning where
Speaker 13: I said that fifty percent of the case load just
Speaker 13: receive cash payments privately, that income that they're meant to
Speaker 13: get in child support is used to reduce their family
Speaker 13: tax payments. So every dollar of child report you get
Speaker 13: fifty cents less of family tax benefits. So the fifty
Speaker 13: percent who just get at cash in hand, the government
Speaker 13: assumes that every single dollar of expected child support is paid,
Speaker 13: whether or not it is. And the real kicker is
Speaker 13: say these parents are estimating their incomes, not lodging tax
Speaker 13: returns for a decade. That can go on for years
Speaker 13: and years and years. Ten years later, often when the
Speaker 13: child turns eighteen, the parent will lodge all of their
Speaker 13: tax returns. Instead of having to pay say one hundred
Speaker 13: dollars a month in child support, they really should have
Speaker 13: been paying a thousand dollars a month retrospectively, so for
Speaker 13: a decade Services Australia. The legislation says that Services Australia
Speaker 13: retrospectively recalculates all of their child support. So now they've
Speaker 13: been overpaid family tax benefits even though they didn't know
Speaker 13: they were meant to collect that money, and so now
Speaker 13: they are the government and the government will vigorously pursue them.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, we get Services Australia on the program
Speaker 2: on a semi regular basis. I might ask them some
Speaker 2: of those questions when we next speak to them. Just finally,
Speaker 2: as you can appreciate, as we're speaking and I speak,
Speaker 2: I interview you because i have no authority in this
Speaker 2: space at all. I'm flying blind. We're getting a lot
Speaker 2: of feedback come in, as you can appreciate, being a
Speaker 2: live radio show. Now, some people are saying, well, okay,
Speaker 2: let's say I'm a father and the marriage has fallen apart.
Speaker 2: I'm willing to obviously support the child or children from
Speaker 2: a different location now and I've moved on and she's
Speaker 2: moved on or whatever. But I've got evidence that the
Speaker 2: money I'm giving isn't really being spent on my child.
Speaker 2: It's being pocketed by my ex wife and she's going
Speaker 2: and buying nic shoes with it or something. Now, what
Speaker 2: happens in those circumstances, because again, the temptation would be
Speaker 2: to withhold the cash and they will look more than
Speaker 2: happy to support the child, but there's no evidence the
Speaker 2: child's getting it. So you know, I don't want to
Speaker 2: prop up my ex so's the's what happens there? How
Speaker 2: does Services Australia come in there? I mean, what do
Speaker 2: you do well?
Speaker 13: How the money is spent is not part of the
Speaker 13: calculations at all.
Speaker 2: That are probably a problem, isn't it well?
Speaker 13: At a population levels, studies by the Australian Stittitutor, Family
Speaker 13: Studies and others shows that when women receive income, they're
Speaker 13: more likely to spend it on their basic needs things
Speaker 13: for the children like clothes, books, whatever. Also, single parents
Speaker 13: are Australia's most impoverished family type. There's not a single
Speaker 13: house they could afford on the average income of the
Speaker 13: single parent. These are not typically people living extravagant lifestyles.
Speaker 13: Every single dollar goes to food, heat, housing, children's clothes, books, school,
Speaker 13: That's what the evidence, the data says. There is always
Speaker 13: going to be outliers, particularly when you're talking at higher incomes.
Speaker 13: But the evidence doesn't support that women are the fastest
Speaker 13: growing group of homeless people in Australia. That's true because
Speaker 13: of things like this.
Speaker 2: True. Look, it's very instructive to speak. The conversation, I
Speaker 2: guess to a degree has only just begun. As I said,
Speaker 2: when we next week to Services Australia. Will we'll put
Speaker 2: a couple of these questions to them from their point
Speaker 2: of view as well. Thank you for shining a bit
Speaker 2: of light in this space, Kay, I do appreciate it.
Speaker 13: No problem.
Speaker 2: I'll let you go and grab that mail now, all right,
Speaker 2: take care. Thank you, Professor Kay krkssas your dean of
Speaker 2: Research at Swinburne University. Now is it? That is an
Speaker 2: issue I know very little about because I've never had
Speaker 2: to intersect with it, and I'm very grateful that's the
Speaker 2: ca But I appreciate for many of you listening, this
Speaker 2: is real. This might be your lived experience and judging
Speaker 2: off the averages the numbers, for most people, you just
Speaker 2: make it work. You know that you've fallen out of
Speaker 2: love with the ex or whatever it is, but you
Speaker 2: both still love the children and you appreciate. Okay, to
Speaker 2: raise a child, it's an expensive business. And I've got
Speaker 2: an income and she's got an income or whatever it
Speaker 2: happens to be, and okay, we both contribute, we do
Speaker 2: our best, and we do it as amicably as possible.
Speaker 2: And in sixty percent of cases it seems that's the
Speaker 2: way it works. And that's good, but clearly in a
Speaker 2: lot of circumstances it's not working. It's not working that way,
Speaker 2: it's not working at all. The children are obviously the
Speaker 2: ones that are missing out, and there are multitude of
Speaker 2: reasons for that. Now you might wish to comment on that.
Speaker 2: I'm happy to hear from you. I'm already seeing, as
Speaker 2: I said, some texts coming through and trying to put
Speaker 2: a few of those de kay as we went live
Speaker 2: one three, one eight seven three. Let's go to the
Speaker 2: news room ereon Margaret Afternoon.
Speaker 15: Good afternoon, Michael. Aaron Patterson has told her trial the
Speaker 15: light please about getting rid of her dehydrator was a
Speaker 15: stupid knee jerk reaction because she was scared. The ABS
Speaker 15: says household spending rows b zero point one percent in April,
Speaker 15: with more spent on recreational and cultural activities, health and
Speaker 15: dining out. The Greens are expressing in principal support for
Speaker 15: Labour's proposed supertacks, but say they still need to negotiate
Speaker 15: the details, including an option to lower the threshold to
Speaker 15: two million dollars. And an eleven year old girl has
Speaker 15: saved her young sister from the path of a runaway
Speaker 15: car which smashed through the window of a restaurant in China.
Speaker 15: It had been heading straight for the toddler before she
Speaker 15: was snatched to safety. In Sport League Imortal, Melmaninger says
Speaker 15: he's close to finalizing a deal to become the inaugural
Speaker 15: coach of the Perth Bears. Maninger will need to step
Speaker 15: down as Australian Test coach, although he wants to have
Speaker 15: a role in this year's Ashes tour of England. And
Speaker 15: there'll be more news at two o'clock on afternoons.
Speaker 2: Oh weather update.
Speaker 14: We'll be here to help in unexpected weather in our
Speaker 14: remainsurance A help company, all right.
Speaker 2: Thirty one past one sunny for Sydney today, top of
Speaker 2: seventeen in Town, eighteen at Penrith and Campbelltown. Sixteen the
Speaker 2: top today for Terry Hill, seventeen pretty much everywhere else.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow a bit of cloud around top of eighteen mostly
Speaker 2: Sunday for Saturday and nineteen the top. Let's see what's
Speaker 2: going to be happening in Canberra today. The suggestion is
Speaker 2: fourteen the max and sunny. Tugernong's the same bit of
Speaker 2: morning frost Tomorrow will be cloudy after that. Top of
Speaker 2: just thirteen, then a max of twelve on Saturday, potentially
Speaker 2: two mill of rain coming through Liftgo thirteen and some
Speaker 2: sunny weather today. Bit of frost earlier that should have
Speaker 2: baked off by now, so I said thirteen the top
Speaker 2: up to fifteen for Mudgie today and bathist Orange just
Speaker 2: twelve eleven at Katombah and sixteen for spring Wood tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Thirteen the top for Lifthgo, bit of frost and then
Speaker 2: cloud after that, then apart the cloudy Saturday, the top
Speaker 2: of just eleven degrees. Now, before we take a break,
Speaker 2: news just threw from the inner Suburbs. I had a
Speaker 2: text just a moment ago from Andy saying that he's
Speaker 2: seen a pedestrian hit by a t in Surrey Hills.
Speaker 2: Now we've just the team that's just spoken to New
Speaker 2: Southal's ambulance and they've told us they've just arrived on
Speaker 2: scene the last ten or so minutes. So Andy, thank
Speaker 2: you for letting us know. This happened on Devonshire Street
Speaker 2: in Surrey Hills. So far it's believed to be a
Speaker 2: man in his thirties or forties. Paramedics are still assessing
Speaker 2: the situation as such, we don't yet have any information
Speaker 2: as to his injuries or the state of play. But
Speaker 2: if you are down there, you can give me a
Speaker 2: call and tell me what you're seeing. One three, one
Speaker 2: eight seven three of till the team off air. It
Speaker 2: does appear as though a pedestrian it could well be
Speaker 2: a man in his thirties or forties, has been struck
Speaker 2: by a tram in Surrey Hills there at Devonshire Street,
Speaker 2: where any further details will bring them to you as
Speaker 2: soon as we possibly can. Steve just mentioned reports of
Speaker 2: an accident there at Mona Vale. I just had to
Speaker 2: call off air from somebody saying a car appears to
Speaker 2: have flipped on Warata Street there at Mona Vale, that's
Speaker 2: in front of the Monavale Public School. I think so
Speaker 2: our person on the scene suggesting that ambulance and fieries
Speaker 2: are on the scene. Traffic already they're really bad in
Speaker 2: both directions, So that looks like what might be happening
Speaker 2: there at Monavil if corresponded as on the money there
Speaker 2: a car appears to have flipped Warreta Street in Mona Vail,
Speaker 2: but the services of their the emergency services are there.
Speaker 2: The feedback about the family support payments is coming through
Speaker 2: thick and fast. A lot of it is very interesting
Speaker 2: reading a lot of it very interesting reading a lot
Speaker 2: of men writing to me saying that the system is
Speaker 2: just not working, not so much in their favor or
Speaker 2: in someone else's favor, that the system is just not working.
Speaker 2: I'll get to some of those later in the program.
Speaker 2: But as I said, a lot of men writing to
Speaker 2: me saying this recently isn't working for us. And they're
Speaker 2: giving me their experiences and what they've paid and the
Speaker 2: lack of time they've been given in return to spend
Speaker 2: with the children. And as I said, I've got no
Speaker 2: expertise in the space at all, thank god, but a
Speaker 2: lot of people do. And maybe it's the ones that
Speaker 2: have had a bad experience that want to talk, because
Speaker 2: for everybody else it's just okay, you move on. Those
Speaker 2: that are talking are saying something's really got to change here.
Speaker 2: Just before we just before we go to Ander and Entertainment, Michael,
Speaker 2: you're out there on the roads and you've spotted a bargain,
Speaker 2: have you?
Speaker 12: I have my friend Metro Wearrington Well ninety five was
Speaker 12: one forty nine points something I can't recall, sorry exactly
Speaker 12: and ninety eight was one sixty nine point seven.
Speaker 2: For ninety eight.
Speaker 12: For ninety eight, I go diesel car. I'm not happy.
Speaker 2: So well, you're a very generous diesel driver to let
Speaker 2: all the petrol drivers know about that. But near me,
Speaker 2: and I've got quite a lot of discount places near me.
Speaker 2: But one of the service stations had I think E
Speaker 2: ten this morning was at two hundred and two. So
Speaker 2: if you can get it for one forty seven point
Speaker 2: five of the Metro Wearrington, fill up the tank. Not
Speaker 2: new Michael, You're on a diesel obviously that did stuff
Speaker 2: you up. But for everybody else, well done. Now, just
Speaker 2: regarding the light rail, just an update here, there are
Speaker 2: no light rail services running between more Park and Central.
Speaker 2: That's due to that incident requiring emergency services at Surrey
Speaker 2: Hills that we spoke about. Light Rail services continue to
Speaker 2: run between Moore Park and Randwick and Moore Park and
Speaker 2: Junior's Kingsford, but passengers are advised to delay their journeys
Speaker 2: or consider an alternative transport option obviously, So just there's
Speaker 2: a consequence obviously because of this incident involving it seems
Speaker 2: a male pedestrian and the light rail, the tram at
Speaker 2: Devonshire Street, Surrey Hills. No light rail services running at
Speaker 2: the moment between Moore Park and Central due to that incident.
Speaker 2: All right, we'll keep you up to date on what's
Speaker 2: happening there throughout the afternoon one, three, one, eight, seven three,
Speaker 2: Now on afternoons screen torch right on twenty to two,
Speaker 2: Bang on the dot. So let's bring it Anna cor
Speaker 2: Day the Entertainment Extraordinary at nine we call this little
Speaker 2: Segmund screen talk.
Speaker 14: Hello, Anna, good afternoon.
Speaker 2: Now, before we get into the meat of it all,
Speaker 2: the Sydney Film Festival that kicked off last night. You
Speaker 2: would have been there on the red carpet strutting your
Speaker 2: stuff note out.
Speaker 16: But well, last night I was actually at Katie Perry,
Speaker 16: I know, but I do have lots of tickets book
Speaker 16: to see films at the Sydney Film Festival. And it is,
Speaker 16: as you say, officially underway, the seventy second Film Festival.
Speaker 16: It's the twelve day event. It runs until June fifteenth.
Speaker 16: So many movies are screening. I'm kind of overwhelmed. I'm
Speaker 16: still trying to pick all of the extra ones that
Speaker 16: I'm going to go see, but like they're across the city.
Speaker 16: But there are new films, award winning films, buzzy films, documentaries,
Speaker 16: foreign films, animated short films, everything that you could want.
Speaker 16: I'm so excited. I'm going to be seeing Sorry, Baby Eddington,
Speaker 16: Life of Chuck. Of the three that I've picked so far,
Speaker 16: still have a few more to pick. But everyone should
Speaker 16: check it out because it's such a great film festival
Speaker 16: to support. So you can have a look at the
Speaker 16: program at SFF dot org dot au.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll give a double pass away later for the
Speaker 2: track of the day for that as well as a
Speaker 2: couple of tickets to that. All right, now, the Midday
Speaker 2: Movie This is now what you're going to become most
Speaker 2: famous you see when you retire the Midday Movie review.
Speaker 2: I get no am for this. Now what have we
Speaker 2: got this week?
Speaker 16: We have a film called Steal Your Heart. Now this
Speaker 16: is airing on nine at midday on Friday, So set
Speaker 16: your allah.
Speaker 2: This is airing on nine.
Speaker 16: Yes, this one is airing on nine. I've moved away
Speaker 16: from seven for this week. I thought I compared what
Speaker 16: the offerings were and I think Steal Your Heart is
Speaker 16: the one that everyone should watch because this is a
Speaker 16: feat of cinematography and storytelling. In this film, we meet Melissa.
Speaker 16: She's an amateur jeweler. She gets enlisted by the CEO
Speaker 16: of a huge jewelry company to make a bridle line
Speaker 16: for them. But she won't be working alone. No, she
Speaker 16: has to work with the CEO's super uptight and serious son, Jake.
Speaker 16: Neither are happy about their forced partnership. But if you've
Speaker 16: watched any bad cheesy romance Michael, you will know that
Speaker 16: their time together will lead to much more than just
Speaker 16: a working relationship. And you are going to end up
Speaker 16: with a clogged artery from the sheer volume of cheese
Speaker 16: that you are going to consume watching this movie. So
Speaker 16: don't forget Midday Tomorrow on nine it's unmissible.
Speaker 2: I'll have my fond of bread and gurkins ready, Ready,
Speaker 2: What do you reckon? Out of ten? I mean, how
Speaker 2: good this is?
Speaker 14: Look in the scale.
Speaker 2: Of mid they pay our wages.
Speaker 15: I know.
Speaker 16: Look, I will say, in looking at as a midday movie,
Speaker 16: this is not comparing it to any of the wonderful
Speaker 16: films at the Sydney Film Festival. But I would give
Speaker 16: it a six out of ten for a midday movie.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's pass all.
Speaker 16: I think I would say, last week was probably a two.
Speaker 16: So you know, we're making moves.
Speaker 2: And at least for this couple. You know, the engagement
Speaker 2: ring slash wedding ring, which is often a very expensive
Speaker 2: upfront cost that's negible. It was just you know, exactly,
Speaker 2: just wave it off as a text reduction yourself.
Speaker 12: Why not?
Speaker 2: Well quite right now, the movies themselves are the ones
Speaker 2: they actually do make it to a big screen. Karate
Speaker 2: Kid Legends.
Speaker 16: Yes, forty one years ago we learned how to wax
Speaker 16: on and wax off with Ralph Maccio and now he
Speaker 16: is back teaching an audio generation the art of karate
Speaker 16: with a little help from another legend, Jackie Chan. So
Speaker 16: this one, the new film, we follow a new kung
Speaker 16: fu prodigy Lee. He moves to New York City with
Speaker 16: his mum, makes friends with a classmate and her dad.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 16: Of course, a little romance blossoms, but a rival karate
Speaker 16: champion learns of their budding romance and instigates a battle
Speaker 16: between the pair. So, of course Lee has to seek
Speaker 16: guidance from his kung fu teacher, which is Jackie Chan
Speaker 16: and the legendary Karate Kid, to give him the skills
Speaker 16: to come out on top in this epic martial arts showdown.
Speaker 16: So you know what, Look, this is a big hit
Speaker 16: of nostalgia, especially for kind of any millennial or earlier.
Speaker 16: Everyone is going to love that. And then of course,
Speaker 16: you know it's going to open up the franchise to
Speaker 16: a whole new generation as well. I mean, I've got
Speaker 16: two nephews who are purple belts in karate and they
Speaker 16: are absolutely going to love this movie.
Speaker 2: Don't mess with them, Okay, Ballerina, yes.
Speaker 16: Look very different fighting style in this film. This is
Speaker 16: a you know, a spinoff of the john Wick franchise.
Speaker 16: This time it's headed up by Anna de Armas. So
Speaker 16: Ballerina takes place between Movie three movie four. Movie four
Speaker 16: was the last one that just came out a couple
Speaker 16: of years ago. So Eve is in training to be
Speaker 16: an assassin with the Rusca Roma and she's haunted by
Speaker 16: her childhood where she witnessed men kill her dad. So
Speaker 16: armed with her new killer skills, she naturally is out
Speaker 16: for blood and revenge. It's a decent spinoff movie. It's
Speaker 16: no you know, Keanu Reeves led john Wick film, but
Speaker 16: he does make a cameo. But I do think fans
Speaker 16: of the franchise. I think they'll be pretty happy with
Speaker 16: this output. It's bloody, it's violent. Ana de Armas is
Speaker 16: kicking some serious but all.
Speaker 2: Right now, al Pacino's back in The Ritual.
Speaker 16: Yeah, The Ritual is one of the other two films
Speaker 16: that are out this week. I don't know why al
Speaker 16: Pacino agreed to make The Ritual, to be honest, I mean, well,
Speaker 16: I do know why. It's because he's Yeah, he's got
Speaker 16: child support to pay now that he's got a baby.
Speaker 16: But I would not be going to see The Ritual.
Speaker 16: It is a bad exorcism movie. He plays a priest.
Speaker 16: I don't need to explain anything else. The other film
Speaker 16: that is out, though, the great Lilian Hall. I would
Speaker 16: probably go and give that one. I would see that.
Speaker 16: That's Jessica Lang, Pierce Brosn and Kathy Bates, a great
Speaker 16: drama about an aging Broadway actress. But yeah, skip the
Speaker 16: al Pacino movie. Oh okay, I can't believe I'm saying that.
Speaker 2: I probably would anyway. Now let's go to the streaming
Speaker 2: services on stan The City is ours, Yes.
Speaker 16: This one is out today. The Brits are back with
Speaker 16: a new crime drama, this time Sean Bean is at
Speaker 16: the Helm, So, I mean, how could you give that
Speaker 16: a miss it? That's Sean Bean. He is playing a
Speaker 16: cocaine smuggling gangster Ronnie Feelin. He's decided it's time to
Speaker 16: wrap up his life of crime and retire. That trig
Speaker 16: is a bit of a power struggle between his business
Speaker 16: partner Michael and his son Jamie. Michael also has another
Speaker 16: spanner in the works. He's fallen in love. Everything is
Speaker 16: now at stake, and a big shipment of cocaine goes
Speaker 16: missing and their empire is under attack. It's a great
Speaker 16: eight part series. All episodes are on stand today and
Speaker 16: it's already been renewed for a second season. So that
Speaker 16: means you know what's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's going to be all right now. The Survivors
Speaker 2: is on Netflix.
Speaker 16: Yes, this is their new Ouzsi mystery drama. So this
Speaker 16: one is adapted from the great Jane Harper novel of
Speaker 16: the same name. You know Jane, She's the author of
Speaker 16: The Dry This one is set in Tazzy and The
Speaker 16: Survivors follows Kieran Elliott who's back in his hometown after
Speaker 16: fifteen years. You know, he left because this terrible storm
Speaker 16: killed three people he's been escaping, is passed for a
Speaker 16: long time, but when a young woman is murdered, he
Speaker 16: is forced to face and reconcile his past. This is
Speaker 16: a big Aussie cast, It's a big Aussie production, all
Speaker 16: filmed in Tazzy as well. I personally loved the book.
Speaker 16: So this is top of the list for me for
Speaker 16: this week and it will be out tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Okay. Lucky they filmed it when they did, because you'd
Speaker 2: have all those political call flutes going up in the background.
Speaker 2: I think they're often have another note down there exactly.
Speaker 2: Apple TV, have you got a thing called stick Stick?
Speaker 14: Yes?
Speaker 16: This is a quick comedy to round out the week.
Speaker 16: This one comes from the always great Owen Wilson. He
Speaker 16: plays a watched up former pro golfer who was truly
Speaker 16: run out of luck in life. Things ain't going great,
Speaker 16: but that is until he discovers a teenager prodigy who
Speaker 16: might just be his ticket to get his life back
Speaker 16: on track. This one's a bit of fun. It's a
Speaker 16: surprising amount of heart and emotion in it once it
Speaker 16: gets going. I will just say the first episode I
Speaker 16: wasn't totally convinced about the series, but because I love Owen,
Speaker 16: I gave it another episode to get me convinced, and
Speaker 16: it absolutely did. By episode two, things really get picked
Speaker 16: up and going. By then it's not a total hole
Speaker 16: in one, but it's an easy watch. And you know
Speaker 16: Owen Wilson, he's so charismatic and charming that you'll stick
Speaker 16: around just for him. And that one's streaming now.
Speaker 2: Okay, Now, Mitch on the text by the way, says, Anna,
Speaker 2: your thoughts on the movie Baby Dolan nicold Kid, and
Speaker 2: I thought it was weird.
Speaker 17: He says, Yeah.
Speaker 16: I did review this one when it came out earlier
Speaker 16: this year, and I agree. I don't think it totally
Speaker 16: hit the message that it was maybe trying to hit,
Speaker 16: and maybe all of the sex stuff, kind of the
Speaker 16: water six stuff. Yeah, I don't need to explain it
Speaker 16: more than that.
Speaker 18: You should see it.
Speaker 2: Well, it didn't give it a great sort of when
Speaker 2: you first did this.
Speaker 16: It is such a polarizing film though I know people
Speaker 16: who absolutely loved it, and then there are people like
Speaker 16: me who were just like, what, so, maybe maybe you
Speaker 16: will love it is I would know it's not fifty
Speaker 16: Shades of Gray. I wouldn't put it as that, but
Speaker 16: it's still weird.
Speaker 2: Different sort of sex stuff.
Speaker 16: Yeah, different sex stuff.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I still won't see it. All right,
Speaker 2: thank you Anna, I think, hey, you're lost, Oka watch
Speaker 2: steel your heart instead. I reckon that'll be an absolute cracker.
Speaker 2: All right, all the best, thank you, catch it next week.
Speaker 16: Thank you, all the best.
Speaker 2: BUYO the one of Lanta Corde with screen talk one
Speaker 2: three one eight seven three more after this. As I said,
Speaker 2: a lot of feedback still coming in. Read the child
Speaker 2: support situation and people talking from their lived experience here.
Speaker 2: One look. I won't to attach names to it, just
Speaker 2: in case, but one text says the child support system's broken.
Speaker 2: I've been paying child support since twenty fifteen. Early on
Speaker 2: in the breakup, my partner refused me visitation and due
Speaker 2: to that, my child support sky rocketed up. There seems
Speaker 2: to be again. I don't know the system intimately, but
Speaker 2: my understanding is that the more care is given to
Speaker 2: let's say the mother, the more time they're obliged to
Speaker 2: look after the child or whatever the terminology is, the
Speaker 2: higher the financial compensation. So if there's a please correct
Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong. But my understanding is if let's
Speaker 2: let's say the father says the guy I want fifty
Speaker 2: to fifty, but isn't granted that let's say it's ninety
Speaker 2: ten or eighty twenty, as might be the case a
Speaker 2: lot financially. That is also reflected in the support. So
Speaker 2: the more care that is given by the other partner,
Speaker 2: the higher the payment they get, generally speaking from the
Speaker 2: individual who doesn't have as much care duty, even if
Speaker 2: they are seeking greater care duty. So I think this
Speaker 2: is where a lot of people say, hang on the
Speaker 2: systems mill to be blunt, bugget another one here says,
Speaker 2: look like you, I've got no skin in the game.
Speaker 2: But he says, here, we're dealing here with child support,
Speaker 2: not spousal support. And when you know that this is
Speaker 2: one of the distinctions that often needs to be made
Speaker 2: that as someone wrote to me earlier saying, look, and
Speaker 2: I don't begrudge at all giving everything to my child,
Speaker 2: but when I see the money go to my wife,
Speaker 2: my ex wife, and there's no evidence it's filtering through
Speaker 2: to my child, that I've got a problem if essentially
Speaker 2: propping up financially my ex wife. I'm not making comment
Speaker 2: on any of that, but I think if I was
Speaker 2: in that same position, I have a knows how to
Speaker 2: joint as well. But if that is going on and
Speaker 2: the system is cumbersome or with the tax arrangements, it's
Speaker 2: difficult to try to rectify that financially. I can understand
Speaker 2: a lot of people being upset. Now to political news,
Speaker 2: Ted O'Brien, the Shadow Treasurer, has just popped up on
Speaker 2: sky Is. You know. We interviewed him at the end
Speaker 2: of last week where he was coming an ring whether
Speaker 2: the Coalition might be able to cut a deal with
Speaker 2: Labor over this super tax, and I said, Ted, surely
Speaker 2: there's the things so it's a dog and forget it.
Speaker 2: He's oh, well, he's tough at his position. Since we spoke,
Speaker 2: have a listen.
Speaker 19: We will definitely as a coalition oppose this unfair super
Speaker 19: tax of labors every step of the way.
Speaker 18: Every step of the way.
Speaker 19: This is grossly unfair and it flies in the face
Speaker 19: of everything we believe in as a coalition.
Speaker 2: Well, they've got the message. They had to do that
Speaker 2: all along. There's no point falling into Labour's honeytrap. Label.
Speaker 2: Will want the coalition to agree to part of this
Speaker 2: and to Labor, will give a bit somewhere and to
Speaker 2: get it bipartisan through the Senate, because then the Coalition
Speaker 2: can't attack them on it at the next opportunity of
Speaker 2: an election. Now to think that the Liberals almost tumbled
Speaker 2: for that is frightening, but they've got the position right now.
Speaker 2: It will still go through. The Greens will get this
Speaker 2: one through with labor, but they can prosecute the case
Speaker 2: against it. Just to repeat, by the way, the L
Speaker 2: two and L three light rail services are not running
Speaker 2: between more Park and Central due to that incident requiring
Speaker 2: emergency services at Surry Hills we mentioned earlier. Any further updates,
Speaker 2: I'll bring them to you. Notes coming through thinking fast
Speaker 2: about problems with the rail and the light rail and
Speaker 2: the roads today. This one from someone saying just letting
Speaker 2: you know the train service from Paramata to Leppington has
Speaker 2: stopped due to someone with a medical condition at Canley
Speaker 2: Veil station. I'll see if we can get some details
Speaker 2: on that after the news.
Speaker 10: Now onto GB and Network stations.
Speaker 11: Back to afternoons with Michael McClaren.
Speaker 2: All right, into the third hour. Thank you so much
Speaker 2: for your company today. Nice to have you there with
Speaker 2: us one three one eight seven three. I'm still chasing
Speaker 2: up some details as to what might have happened for
Speaker 2: those rail services between Paramattera and Leppington All Certainly one
Speaker 2: of those train services reportedly stopped due to a situation
Speaker 2: at Canley Veil A station. We're trying to get some
Speaker 2: clarification on that. Indeed that is the case. I've just
Speaker 2: had a photo said to be by the way of
Speaker 2: the situation of the car roll over at Mona Vale.
Speaker 2: It is up on its side, no doubt about that
Speaker 2: looks like and I think it's an SUV from what
Speaker 2: I can see, but I'm not certain Emergency services are there.
Speaker 2: But obviously the traffic in and around Mona Vale's are
Speaker 2: mess because of this, so if you are there, just
Speaker 2: bear in mind it's going to be slow going for
Speaker 2: a while. We did report early today we had a
Speaker 2: message from a listener that something had happened involving an
Speaker 2: individual and the light rail at Devonshire Street, Surrey Hills.
Speaker 2: Sadly I inform you that a man has died after
Speaker 2: being struck by a light rail carriage. It was just
Speaker 2: after quarter past one today and we brought you that
Speaker 2: news pretty much straight away. Emergency services were called to
Speaker 2: Devonshire Street following reports a pedestrian was struck by a
Speaker 2: light rail carriage. On arrival, officers attached to Surrey Hills
Speaker 2: Police Area Command found the man, believed to be aged
Speaker 2: in his forties, under the carriage. The man was treated
Speaker 2: at the scene by New South Wales Ambland's paramedics. However,
Speaker 2: he died at the scene. He is yet to be
Speaker 2: formally identified. Police established a crime scene. An investigation into
Speaker 2: the cause of the incident has commenced. A report will
Speaker 2: be prepared for the information of the coroner. A tragedy
Speaker 2: there at Devonshire Street, Surrey Hills earlier today, as I said,
Speaker 2: L two and L three light rail services are not
Speaker 2: running between more Park and Central due to this incident.
Speaker 2: Passengers are advised to delay or consider alternative transport. L
Speaker 2: two and L three light rail services are still running
Speaker 2: between more Park and Randwick and between more Park and
Speaker 2: Junior's Kingsford, as well as between Central and Circular Key,
Speaker 2: but between more Park and Central they're not. That's due
Speaker 2: to this fatality. Earlier today one three, one, eight, seven
Speaker 2: three there.
Speaker 14: Were history maintenance, frauds and fakers, ladies and renowned good ones,
Speaker 14: bad ones. Quite a few bad ones lived in Sydney Town.
Speaker 14: There were fascinating parents, convicts, parister's servants of the crown.
Speaker 14: Con mean strong men, all the wrong men.
Speaker 9: There's a ton of them and every.
Speaker 14: One of them lived in Sydney Town.
Speaker 1: Now on afternoons Sydney with Jim Haynes.
Speaker 2: So here with me in the studio. Is he is
Speaker 2: every Thursday, mister Jim Haynes, Good afternoon to you. Hello Michael.
Speaker 2: Now before we speak about our next Sydney Sider, which
Speaker 2: is a blow called James Ranulph Jackson, an artist and
Speaker 2: you love your artists. Just to remind people or to
Speaker 2: tell them. In fact, June and July you're back to
Speaker 2: the center presenting all sorts of different things. Wednesday, June eleven.
Speaker 2: I think, isn't that's the date, isn't it? That's next Wednesday,
Speaker 2: Next Wednesday.
Speaker 14: I've been a bit late getting this is the thing
Speaker 14: I do talks at the co Center for Seniors out
Speaker 14: at Little Bay. It's a wonderful thing anyone in the area.
Speaker 14: They have all sorts of things apart from talks by
Speaker 14: you know, people like me, that you can learn French.
Speaker 14: They have art classes, they have dancing classes. It's a
Speaker 14: wonderful organization and I do talks for them occasionally you
Speaker 14: can come out there and have a cup of tea.
Speaker 14: And on Wednesday I am talking about well, Sydney Harbor history, geology.
Speaker 14: Do you know how old Sydney Harbor is, Michael, how
Speaker 14: old the harbor? How old the harbor is?
Speaker 2: When it Sydney Glacier at some point it was part
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 14: It was because of the end of the last Is
Speaker 14: it's only six thousand years old?
Speaker 2: That's brand new?
Speaker 14: Yeah, almost so. And the rock carvings are the same date,
Speaker 14: which is interesting. It tells us something about the aura
Speaker 14: the people who were here, and so I'll be talking
Speaker 14: about that and also the first fleet and who were
Speaker 14: the artists on the first fleet and the Northwood group,
Speaker 14: Brett Whiteley and John Santry and Lloyd Reese and Roland
Speaker 14: Wakeland and lots of things, and also about the ships
Speaker 14: that were in There was a ship that was so
Speaker 14: much a part of Sydney Harbor for sixty years. It
Speaker 14: was called the Sobrayan and it was bringing out all
Speaker 14: passengers from Britain. It was the biggest composite ship that
Speaker 14: means wood and metal ever made sailing ship. And then
Speaker 14: when it had done its time, the government bought it
Speaker 14: and it became the Boys Home the Adolescent Juvenile Delinquents
Speaker 14: or something. It was anchored off Cockatoo Island, which was
Speaker 14: the home for the delinquent girls, and it was you know,
Speaker 14: they made sure it was far enough from shore so
Speaker 14: that the boys couldn't swim ashore.
Speaker 2: Yes, I understand, in a state.
Speaker 14: And then after that the Navy bought it and it
Speaker 14: became the training ship for the cadets in the Royal
Speaker 14: Australian Navy, and the kids who were trained on it
Speaker 14: were on the Sydney It's a great history, the history
Speaker 14: of Sydney Harbor.
Speaker 2: So I'll be talking about all that.
Speaker 14: Come along and have a cup of tea and I'll
Speaker 14: leave all the information.
Speaker 2: Wednesday next Wednesday, one pm. The Cottage, Dewing Avenue, Little
Speaker 2: Bay Tea included and Jim's Company just before we go
Speaker 2: on to the Sydney side. It's just I've just got
Speaker 2: a note here from the Transport Management Center about the
Speaker 2: half hour delay or so on the train that one
Speaker 2: of our listeners was experiencing. Passengers on the Tee two
Speaker 2: in a West and Leppington line and the t three
Speaker 2: Liverpool and Inner West line. We're being told should allow
Speaker 2: extra travel time. That's due to an incident requiring emergency
Speaker 2: services at Cabramatta earlier. Today frequent services are operating, some
Speaker 2: with changed stops. For updates to services, you can check
Speaker 2: transport apps, information screens and of course listen to the announcements.
Speaker 2: But there was a situation earlier at Cabramatta and that
Speaker 2: has affected some of the trains on those lines. Okay,
Speaker 2: Now back to Sydney Siders, which is what we're about
Speaker 2: at this time of the day, and the story of
Speaker 2: James Ranulph Jackson.
Speaker 14: Yes, I put RANOLFH in Brackett because he was always
Speaker 14: known as James R. Jackson, and he signed his paintings
Speaker 14: James R.
Speaker 2: Jackson.
Speaker 14: And he was one of the great artists of his time,
Speaker 14: a contemporary, and I just brought them this book in
Speaker 14: which was from the Australian EXPERI in London nineteen twenty three.
Speaker 14: There are only a thousand of that he's ever made,
Speaker 14: and luckily the laid in beautiful color plates. None of
Speaker 14: them in this which is number one hundred and seventeen,
Speaker 14: none of them have been stolen. They're usually missing, but
Speaker 14: they're not. And it's got a beautiful painting by James JR.
Speaker 2: Jackson.
Speaker 14: And I was just telling you off air that it's
Speaker 14: in between a Hans Heysen and an Arthur Street and
Speaker 14: so he's in pretty good company.
Speaker 2: But see, so many people know those names, but they
Speaker 2: wouldn't necessarily know Jackson.
Speaker 14: No, the art world would, but he's not one of
Speaker 14: those artists that really is remembered by the general public,
Speaker 14: although he certainly was right up there. He was born
Speaker 14: in New Zealand, but will accept him as a Sydney Sider.
Speaker 14: He lived most of his life and he certainly died.
Speaker 14: He was born eighteen eighty two in a town which
Speaker 14: sounds like something out of you know What's who was
Speaker 14: the lady who wrote all the rabbit books?
Speaker 2: So oh yeah, or Beatrix Potter or Beatrix Potter.
Speaker 14: Yes, because he was born in a place called Bunnythorpepe Bunnythorpe,
Speaker 14: evidently it's a new Palmerston. And he was one of
Speaker 14: eleven kids of a farmer. George Jackson was a farmer.
Speaker 14: His wife was actually born in India, and they had
Speaker 14: eleven kids and they were living happily on the farm
Speaker 14: in New Zealand until unfortunately, Mary the wife died, and
Speaker 14: when she died, James was eight years old and there
Speaker 14: were eleven kids. So a few years later, when James
Speaker 14: was eleven or twelve, the whole family as you do.
Speaker 14: You know, if you're on a farm and your missus
Speaker 14: has passed away, eleven kids, where would you move to Darlinghurst?
Speaker 14: They moved to Darlinghurst. James spent the rest of his
Speaker 14: life living around the Harbor, but he moved to the
Speaker 14: North Shore now. He left school at a very He
Speaker 14: took up an apprenticeship as a decorator with a decorator,
Speaker 14: but he was smitten by the desire to be an artist,
Speaker 14: and he studied. He studied drawing at the Royal Art Society,
Speaker 14: of which he later became the president and so on
Speaker 14: many years later, and at an art school in Sydney.
Speaker 14: He applied for the National Gallery of Victoria Art School,
Speaker 14: which was so prestigious couldn't list the number of famous
Speaker 14: artists who went there, but he didn't get in. So
Speaker 14: determined he packed up and he sailed to London and
Speaker 14: he studied under a wonderful Welsh artist called Sir Frank Brangwen,
Speaker 14: and he was really top artist and teacher. Then he
Speaker 14: went to Paris, as you do. He spent a year
Speaker 14: living in the Latin Quarter and he studied at the
Speaker 14: Academy Colorossi, and that was under Philippe Colorossi, who was Italian.
Speaker 14: As you may have guessed, he was a famous sculptor.
Speaker 14: And he studied there in Paris, he was exposed to Impressionism.
Speaker 14: He became a wonderful Impressionist artist. And he returned to
Speaker 14: Australia in nineteen eight so he got public wrec You know,
Speaker 14: we were saying that he's not known to the general
Speaker 14: public today, but he was recognized very early in his career.
Speaker 14: In fact, in nineteen fourteen, the Art Gallery purchased the
Speaker 14: first of sixteen of his paintings, which are in the
Speaker 14: New South Wales Art Gallery.
Speaker 18: Sixteen.
Speaker 14: They kept buying them. I don't think any were on
Speaker 14: display at the moment, but they're there. It was a
Speaker 14: painting called Oleanders. He settled on the North Shore and
Speaker 14: he made a living teaching drawing and painting and he
Speaker 14: was a teacher at the Art Society School from nineteen
Speaker 14: seventeen to nineteen twenty six. He had his first solo
Speaker 14: exhibition at the Gayfield Show Art Gallery in nineteen twenty
Speaker 14: and in nineteen twenty three, as we've already noted, two
Speaker 14: of his paintings were included in this incredibly important Australian
Speaker 14: art exhibition in London which broke the careers of just
Speaker 14: about you know, everybody in Australian art was involved.
Speaker 19: J J.
Speaker 2: Hilda, Arthur Street.
Speaker 14: And Hans Heys and Margaret Preston. It was a huge
Speaker 14: thing for Australian art.
Speaker 2: And he was there.
Speaker 14: He was there with them, and then he came back.
Speaker 14: Well I don't know if he did visit that exhibition,
Speaker 14: but his painting certainly did. He came back ninety twenty
Speaker 14: four and he married someone called Dorothea Elizabeth Tuvey better
Speaker 14: known as Dora tuv who is one of the most
Speaker 14: recognized and renowned female artists of the twentieth century. So
Speaker 14: they painted together and lived together.
Speaker 2: They had two kids.
Speaker 14: And there's a lovely connection between James R. Jackson and
Speaker 14: the Manly Gallery because the Manly Gallery was begun the
Speaker 14: Manley Gallery and Museum, which wonderful right on the beach
Speaker 14: there at Manley, and it's a wonderful place, a wonderful
Speaker 14: gallery and it began in nineteen twenty three and it
Speaker 14: was a James R. Jackson painting that created it. Oh
Speaker 14: nice because there was a public subscription raised to buy
Speaker 14: this particular painting and it was the first painting ever
Speaker 14: to be part of the collection of the Manly Gallery
Speaker 14: and it was called Middle Harbor from Manly Heights. So
Speaker 14: also he is part of a very famous ex collection
Speaker 14: at the Mossman Gallery and that's the Balnaves collection which
Speaker 14: was donated by mister Balnaves, guru of television, and there.
Speaker 2: Are James R.
Speaker 14: Jackson paintings in that collection too. So both those galleries
Speaker 14: you will see his work there if you visit them,
Speaker 14: regional galleries in Victoria, South Wales. And there is one
Speaker 14: of his paintings in the National Gallery in Canberra as well.
Speaker 14: So he and Dora had two kids. Now the life
Speaker 14: of an artist. He's very successful, you know, he's got
Speaker 14: paintings in all the galleries and people are buying them.
Speaker 14: But the Great Depression came and things were a little
Speaker 14: bit tough because they were living at Seaforth and they
Speaker 14: decided that the best way to make it through the
Speaker 14: Great Depression as artists was to rent out their house
Speaker 14: to somebody else and travel and they went camping and
Speaker 14: they lived down at a place called Lanyon near Canberra.
Speaker 14: They lived on the Murraham Bidjie. They lived on the
Speaker 14: Higgins property in Gloucester. And Dora was from Bathist, so
Speaker 14: they visited Bathist and they were sort of camped out
Speaker 14: with the kids. You know, what a great way to
Speaker 14: grow up. And they painted together, of course, and then
Speaker 14: came back when the depression was, you know, starting to
Speaker 14: ease a bit in thirty six, and they had enough
Speaker 14: money there to set up a studio in Mossman. You
Speaker 14: know that's going to cost you a quid these days.
Speaker 14: And as I said, he was a member of the
Speaker 14: Australian Art Association. He was one of the first fellows
Speaker 14: of that association and he became vice president in nineteen
Speaker 14: sixty five. It was a group of artists who were Impressionists,
Speaker 14: but they were a little more conservative perhaps than some
Speaker 14: of the others, and they were opposed, for example, to modernism.
Speaker 14: I don't want to bore our listeners who couldn't care
Speaker 14: less about art, but modernism is like the Northwood group,
Speaker 14: Roland Wakeland, Lloyd Reese and so on. And these people
Speaker 14: preferred to stick to the more traditional Impressionist stuff, and.
Speaker 2: So that was him really.
Speaker 14: Now he divorced. He and Dora divorced in nineteen forty seven.
Speaker 14: He never remarried, but she married the principal of Cleveland
Speaker 14: Street School. Oh and she became a huge forceful power
Speaker 14: in the Liberal Party in Sydney. Maybe she should come
Speaker 14: back anyway.
Speaker 2: There's a vacancy.
Speaker 14: Yes, So he lived quite happily on the north shown Now.
Speaker 14: The wonderful thing about James R.
Speaker 2: Jackson.
Speaker 14: A critic once noticed that all his paintings in the
Speaker 14: harbor were from the north and said to him, why
Speaker 14: are all your paintings from the north, And he said,
Speaker 14: I I like to have the sun on my back.
Speaker 2: That's nice.
Speaker 14: And of course, being an Impressionist artist, he was painting
Speaker 14: on plannair in the open air. So look he's one.
Speaker 14: He's a favorite of mine, as you can tell. And
Speaker 14: I just love his work. And look, you can go
Speaker 14: out and buy them today for a lot less than
Speaker 14: as you might pay a million bucks for an Arthur
Speaker 14: Street but you could pick up a beautiful James R.
Speaker 14: Jackson for five or ten grand. Looking at some of
Speaker 14: the paintings, yesh could you describe them for our listeners.
Speaker 2: Well, it's not much good giving you pictures, but what
Speaker 2: is a sailing shop? I have a color the colors,
Speaker 2: so there's like a sort of a pastor to you
Speaker 2: to them, isn't there the ones of a beautiful sailing
Speaker 2: ship somewhere in the harbor. One's a lady in that
Speaker 2: sort of nineteen Yeah, that was a classic.
Speaker 14: Everybody painted a lady with a parasol and it's almost transparent.
Speaker 14: He was a wonderful artist, you know, as look as
Speaker 14: good as Street and as good as Roberts, but you know,
Speaker 14: just it's the lucky looking just.
Speaker 2: One of the wonderful ability to capture sort of morning
Speaker 2: or evening light. Yes, that comes through, and that's the
Speaker 2: whole harbor, and he did. He painted many of them.
Speaker 2: One classic painting that I had my hands on at
Speaker 2: one stage. I use his paintings to date Sydney Harbor
Speaker 2: because you know, when was Cockatoo Island joined to the mainland. Well,
Speaker 2: if you look at his paintings, you'll see, you know,
Speaker 2: he painted that in nineteen forty and it wasn't joined,
Speaker 2: but by the end of the war it was, so
Speaker 2: you can you know it's it's a wonderful fascination and
Speaker 2: he was a terrific artist. It's a great story. James Jackson,
Speaker 2: thank you.
Speaker 14: Jim and his daughter did write a book about him,
Speaker 14: so I've forgotten what it was called, but it's out
Speaker 14: there somewhere.
Speaker 2: Wonderful.
Speaker 14: Yeah, So if you want to come to the talk
Speaker 14: on Wednesday, you can go to the website. It's the
Speaker 14: Coast Center for Seniors or my website and the information's.
Speaker 2: There website cocenter dot org dot au twenty four past two.
Speaker 2: Thanks Jim. We'll catch you next week with more. Sydney
Speaker 2: Siders will have more after the break. Just had communication
Speaker 2: from Transport Management Centers Media. The L two and L
Speaker 2: three light rail services are not running between More Park
Speaker 2: and Circular Key. This is now obviously due to that tragedy.
Speaker 2: Earlier and replacement buses have been requested between Central and
Speaker 2: more Park, but they're not yet running, so passengers can
Speaker 2: also consider catching regular route buses between the city and
Speaker 2: more Park or trains between Central and Circular Key. The
Speaker 2: L two and L three light rail services are still
Speaker 2: running between More Park and Randwick and between More Park
Speaker 2: and Juniors, but passengers are advised to allow plenty of
Speaker 2: extra travel time and check information displays it stops for
Speaker 2: service updates. Transport NSW dot infos also where you can
Speaker 2: go for updates. But that terrible, terrible story earlier about
Speaker 2: the man who has lost his life and there's obviously
Speaker 2: knock on effects with the way that the light rail
Speaker 2: is operating in Sydney as is completely understandable. But just
Speaker 2: to repeat, the L two and L three light rail
Speaker 2: services are not running between more Park and Circular Key
Speaker 2: due to that fatality earlier in the afternoon.
Speaker 1: It's that time of the afternoon. Time to find out
Speaker 1: what's coming up on Sydney now for.
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Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's see what's coming up with Sydney now
Speaker 2: straight after three o'clock with the one known in Clinton, Clinton,
Speaker 2: good afternoon.
Speaker 17: Will be attempting to stay warm and as I enter
Speaker 17: your studio in this I've got to take the jacket
Speaker 17: off because you've got the air conditioning on very very
Speaker 17: warm and the open fire in the corner of the
Speaker 17: I can understand why because your panel operator, g Is,
Speaker 17: you've rightly pointed out he is wearing shorts all day.
Speaker 18: Yes, very wise, G.
Speaker 17: Cameron, who looks after the digital content throughout the afternoon
Speaker 17: for our program, which is the resident mister shorts, And
Speaker 17: you did outline how he has one pair of shorts
Speaker 17: and he wears those every day.
Speaker 18: Suddenly he wears trousers.
Speaker 17: Yesterday, and I thought that there must be a young
Speaker 17: lady in Cameron's life that's now looking after his attire.
Speaker 18: He's wearing trousers again today.
Speaker 14: Wow.
Speaker 18: Would this be something to do with the temperature? Maybe?
Speaker 2: I think it might be more to do with the thermometer.
Speaker 17: Look, I sawry headline just a short while ago in
Speaker 17: the Telegraph website respect the Journal, that it is with
Speaker 17: the headlight feels like temperature zero point nine. Well, I'm
Speaker 17: not sure where the Telegraph took that thermometer reading this morning,
Speaker 17: because as I walked across Pimont Bridge this morning cross
Speaker 17: Darling Harb on my way to work, I did check
Speaker 17: this feels like temperature. It was a zero point two
Speaker 17: al right. Can you really tell the difference between point
Speaker 17: two and point nine? You know, just sort of on
Speaker 17: the back of your hand.
Speaker 18: It is zero. Let's just call the field like temperature.
Speaker 18: But you know, I mean it's winter.
Speaker 2: It is getting Yeah, that's this time of year, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean if it was feels like twenty six, you
Speaker 2: can imagine what the headlines are.
Speaker 12: Right.
Speaker 17: So look, given how warm the temperatures in the studio,
Speaker 17: I will have to take off my winter jacket.
Speaker 2: That I'm very fetching jacket.
Speaker 17: This jacket actually came to prominence during COVID, so I'm wearing.
Speaker 17: Folks that aren't watching us on the webcam at the moment.
Speaker 17: He said, what color you describe as tan?
Speaker 15: No?
Speaker 2: What color?
Speaker 20: Is it?
Speaker 2: Light brown? That's the tan you get when you don't
Speaker 2: go outside.
Speaker 18: What color would you describe this jacket?
Speaker 2: Sort of beige?
Speaker 18: Okay, it's a beige jacket for a Beijes.
Speaker 17: Individual, and it's lined with the fake wool oh fake, well,
Speaker 17: the fake it's not real.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's no cutlets produced in the manufacturer of jacket.
Speaker 18: It's a sensitive new age guy.
Speaker 17: But during COVID, we went through that phase where everybody
Speaker 17: around the country would tune into the eleven o'clock press
Speaker 17: conference with Gladys and a lot of it. I went
Speaker 17: to one hundred and eighty three, why are you reminding
Speaker 17: us of all this? I went to one hundred and
Speaker 17: eighty three. There's press conferences and the camera would actually
Speaker 17: pan to the reporters as we asked questions. Was instant
Speaker 17: the two locations. One was in Homebush wint Sint Leonard's
Speaker 17: and in the middle of the winter I would wear
Speaker 17: this jacket. My social media channels just went into meltdown
Speaker 17: with people commenting about my damned jack. They didn't have
Speaker 17: clue who this bloke who is asking these questions of
Speaker 17: Gladys and doctor Kerry chair wearing this really silly looking jacket.
Speaker 2: Were all the fashion editors that the newspaper's getting in
Speaker 2: touch not that much tell us about this trend. Let's
Speaker 2: come out of my arm that we didn't know about now.
Speaker 18: I think it came out of City Beach Show, the
Speaker 18: surf shop at Miranda fair Well.
Speaker 2: I think it looks very nice. What's coming up after
Speaker 2: three o'clock?
Speaker 17: We'll certainly follow what's happening in State Parliament this afternoon
Speaker 17: with the workers' compensation changes before the Upper House looked
Speaker 17: I'm hearing different things from both sides of politics.
Speaker 18: About how this is going to pan out.
Speaker 17: Likelihood it'll probably be pushed off to an inquiry, which
Speaker 17: then delays the whole process. So I don't think we're
Speaker 17: going to get a result in the government's favor of
Speaker 17: this afternoon, but we'll watch that as it plays out. Also,
Speaker 17: we'll get a legal understanding of what's going to happen
Speaker 17: now in Bradfield. Yes, in terms of will there be
Speaker 17: a legal challenge, will it go to the Court of
Speaker 17: disputed returns? What is the process that has followed through that.
Speaker 17: We'll be looking at that after four o'clock. David Elliott's
Speaker 17: my straight shooter talking about the Liberal Party. He will
Speaker 17: have a few choice words to say about mister Stockdale.
Speaker 17: I can't imagine today, miss Elliott, So make sure you're
Speaker 17: listening after four thirty for that. And we're going to
Speaker 17: have a look at the Sandwich generation. Yeah, the generation
Speaker 17: that is stuck in between looking after their children and
Speaker 17: in some cases grandchildren and their parents as they age
Speaker 17: and the challenges that they're facing.
Speaker 2: They're sort of in retirement, but they're now full time
Speaker 2: caring for the for two different ends of the age
Speaker 2: spectrum exactly.
Speaker 18: And there's more of them.
Speaker 2: Indeed, okay, thank you Clinton, Clinton and his jacket. Straight
Speaker 2: after three o'clock.
Speaker 14: Go back to wherever mar of the news room er
Speaker 14: and good afternoon, Good afternoon.
Speaker 15: Michael Aman's been killed when struck by a tram and
Speaker 15: Surrey Hill's services are currently not running between more Park
Speaker 15: and Circular Key. Police Task Force Falcon has made three
Speaker 15: arrests in its first week of operation. It's designed to
Speaker 15: suppress violent crime from escalating on Sydney streets. Australian and
Speaker 15: European officials are working to resolve the remaining sticking points
Speaker 15: as they try to negotiate a free trade deal, and
Speaker 15: US President Donald Trump assigned a proclamation to suspend international
Speaker 15: visas for new students at Harvard University as he tries
Speaker 15: to stop foreigners from enrolling at the Etlite University. Current
Speaker 15: students are now also under review. In sport, Cristiano Ronaldo
Speaker 15: has scored his one hundred and thirty seventh international goal
Speaker 15: for Portugal as they came from a goal down to
Speaker 15: beat Germany and reached the nation's league final. They'll meet
Speaker 15: the winner of the France Spain semi final, and there'll
Speaker 15: be more news at three o'clock.
Speaker 1: On afternoons a finance update for Pretzel Wealth and finance
Speaker 1: for Trusted Financial Planning just Google.
Speaker 2: Blake went to Pretzel Oko. Let's catch up with Scott
Speaker 2: Phillips on this rather cold Thursday. He's from the Motley
Speaker 2: full dot com dot You maybe can warm us up
Speaker 2: with some exciting economic data or something that Scott before
Speaker 2: we sort of throw that at you start at Rams.
Speaker 2: What's happening with Rams?
Speaker 20: Yeah, Michael, exciting economic data might be the world's largest oxymoron.
Speaker 20: But tartlet's go part that one.
Speaker 5: Thank you go.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
Speaker 20: The corporate cop reckons that maybe they're alleging anywhere. We
Speaker 20: going to make sure this is not proven yet in
Speaker 20: court they reckon that Ram. So the mortgage letter that
Speaker 20: was now was part of Westback is being wounds down.
Speaker 20: There's a pretty serious misconduct of these allegations are correct
Speaker 20: saying that the loan franchises submitted fake pacelips for employers
Speaker 20: that did not exist to get some of these mortgages
Speaker 20: over the line. I'm not sure it gets much worse
Speaker 20: than that. We remember in the US in two thousand
Speaker 20: and seven eight nine, they had these in called liar loans.
Speaker 20: The idea of basically the Brokens who were put through
Speaker 20: whatever paperwork they wanted to put through to pretend that
Speaker 20: borrowers had this opacity to repay these loans. This is
Speaker 20: echoes of that.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 20: I don't want to suggest necessarily there's a big systemic problem,
Speaker 20: hopefully broader than this, but in some cases, if simply
Speaker 20: they were misstating or overstating incomes for loans to be provided,
Speaker 20: I don't know, it gets much worse either for those individuals,
Speaker 20: for the bank, or for the aancial system. That scale
Speaker 20: could have given us real grief. Now, the good news
Speaker 20: is this misconduct is alleged to have happened meaningfully a
Speaker 20: decent number of years ago, so not a strong and
Speaker 20: current problem. Twenty twenty two is the latest that these
Speaker 20: allegations seems to pertain to. So yeah, obviously a massive deal,
Speaker 20: you'd hope, and I'm glad the regulators look at this
Speaker 20: sort of stuff and making sure this is being taken
Speaker 20: a task if indeed it did happen. Again, we have
Speaker 20: to wonder whether or not this is a nice looted
Speaker 20: incident as well, but we'll find out in due course.
Speaker 20: For now, pretty serious misconduct allegations as I said, Westback
Speaker 20: is already winding down rams, but probably not before time.
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, indeed, keeping on that now the Marcus and Landola.
Speaker 20: Yeah, still no excitement. Unfortunately, we're just underwater by a
Speaker 20: touch a tenth of a percent lower on the all
Speaker 20: odds eighty seven hundred and sixty two points as we speak.
Speaker 20: The dollar is a bright spot up against most of
Speaker 20: the major currencies, including the US dollar, where it's half
Speaker 20: a percent higher when over sixty five cents this morning.
Speaker 20: Just under that again, sixty four point nine zero US sense.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Scott, appreciate. We'll catching for Friday. Financed tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Scott phillipsaid from the Motley fool full dot com dot
Speaker 2: E all right, well clear a break when we come back.
Speaker 2: Professor Barney Glover, he's the Commissioner of Jobs and Skills
Speaker 2: Australian and I want to pick his knowledge at his
Speaker 2: brain on this issue of just how many we are
Speaker 2: sending to university or enticing to go to university as
Speaker 2: opposed through vocational training. The federal government seemed to want
Speaker 2: to get that back to more toward a fifty to
Speaker 2: fifty split. I'm in favor of that on face value.
Speaker 2: I get Professor Glover's thoughts straight after this just about
Speaker 2: to go twenty to three. Thank you for your company
Speaker 2: this afternoon. Well Skills and Training Minister Andrew Giles in
Speaker 2: the News today, aiming to shepherd more school leavers into
Speaker 2: vocational education and training. He makes the point that Australia
Speaker 2: should be aiming for a roughly fifty to fifty split
Speaker 2: with students going to university and into vocational education and training.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of merit in this, but
Speaker 2: for it to happen, the suggestion in Today's Financial Review
Speaker 2: is that it would mean pushing tens of thousands of
Speaker 2: prospective university students toward Taife and other vocational courses in
Speaker 2: the coming years. Now, someone who has spoken about this
Speaker 2: extensively is Professor Barney Glover, and in fact he made
Speaker 2: the point to the same newspaper but at the end
Speaker 2: of last year that fifteen years of government policies designed
Speaker 2: to encourage young people to enroll in a university have
Speaker 2: tipped the scales too far, leaving graduates without bright futures
Speaker 2: and at the same time vast tracts of industry without
Speaker 2: the skills they need. Well, Professor Barney Glover is now
Speaker 2: the Commissioner of Jobs and Schools Australia, so he certainly
Speaker 2: qualified to speak in this space. He's also a former
Speaker 2: university man, so he's very well qualified to speak in
Speaker 2: this space. And he joins me on the line, Professor,
Speaker 2: thank you for your time.
Speaker 9: Happy to wish you, Michael.
Speaker 2: I guess you sort of can wear two hats in
Speaker 2: this one debate, which is not unique but almost unique
Speaker 2: in the Australian landscape. It does seem to be the
Speaker 2: case between government policy and I would argue private sort
Speaker 2: of parental pressure or desire. We seem to have instilled
Speaker 2: this mindset into school leavers that they've really made it
Speaker 2: if they go to a university and anything else's sort
Speaker 2: of second rate. Is that a fair comment?
Speaker 9: No, I think it's a good way of summarizing a
Speaker 9: lot of what we've seen, particularly over the last decade.
Speaker 9: But it's actually a long standing trend. We live in
Speaker 9: a very successful, multicultural country and culturally it's often very
Speaker 9: very important for young people to aspire to and achieve
Speaker 9: success at university. Less value is seen around vocational education
Speaker 9: training and tape pathway, so that's true. One of the
Speaker 9: obligations I think on the part of government, state and
Speaker 9: federal and territory governments is to encourage better careers advice
Speaker 9: in school and better encouragement of young people and better
Speaker 9: advice to parents and those who influence young people about
Speaker 9: the great opportunities of a TAFE course and a vet
Speaker 9: pathway into a career. We've also got to be looking
Speaker 9: at the opportunity for graduates from higher education to say well,
Speaker 9: I also could value and get value in my career
Speaker 9: aspirate from doing a vocational education and training program as
Speaker 9: will to give me really significant practical skills. So yes,
Speaker 9: we need to do a reset. We need to rebalancing
Speaker 9: of our post secondary education system in Australia. By the way,
Speaker 9: over the next decade and beyond, we do need to
Speaker 9: grow our high education system as well. That's the scale
Speaker 9: of the challenge. But as a minister made very clear,
Speaker 9: we need to get the balance right and we need
Speaker 9: to encourage more young people into vocational education and training.
Speaker 2: Because you see, the point is these additional forms of
Speaker 2: education beyond school, be they university or TAFEs or whatnot.
Speaker 2: It's not just about the individual and what they want
Speaker 2: to pursue and what's good for them. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: also about what's good for the country, isn't it, Because
Speaker 2: a lot of us as taxpayers have some skin in
Speaker 2: the game. We're funding the hex, we're funding the government grants,
Speaker 2: and we need a return on that investment. And if
Speaker 2: you've got a lot of people going to university but
Speaker 2: coming out in degrees that in some cases are flooded
Speaker 2: with graduates, but the job market just doesn't have the
Speaker 2: ability to absorb that skill, that may not been the wisest,
Speaker 2: all the most productive investment from a federal taxpayer's point
Speaker 2: of view.
Speaker 9: Well, I do think we need to encourage young people
Speaker 9: to think very broadly about the opportunities. And we're in
Speaker 9: a we're coming into a decade and beyond in Australia.
Speaker 9: We have a government that make it very clear at
Speaker 9: the federal level that we want to build one point
Speaker 9: two million houses to address the housing crisis in this country.
Speaker 9: We need a very strong construction sector for the infrastructure
Speaker 9: we need for decarbonization and zero we have a commitment
Speaker 9: to advanced manufacturing with the Future Made in Australia initiatives.
Speaker 9: There is a significant program of work for this country
Speaker 9: over the next decade and beyond, and we're going to
Speaker 9: need both higher education qualified young people entering the workforce,
Speaker 9: but in greater numbers than we have at the moment.
Speaker 9: We need to encourage young people into VET programs and yes,
Speaker 9: the lifetime return on that investment for the individual and
Speaker 9: of course nationally is a critically important part of that.
Speaker 9: But we must appreciate I think there's great opportunities for
Speaker 9: young people. One thing we're not doing well enough is
Speaker 9: consistently across the board getting the right careers advice to
Speaker 9: young people at that crucial time in their secondary schooling
Speaker 9: and even earlier. I know there's a program in South
Speaker 9: Australia announced very recently by the Melanowskis government to have
Speaker 9: primary school kids having a taste of what a trade
Speaker 9: might look like, get them early and interested in opportunities.
Speaker 9: We don't need to necessarily coerce them into a particular pathway,
Speaker 9: but we've got to make sure they've got all the
Speaker 9: information necessary to make the right decision. We need very,
Speaker 9: very good VET in schools programs around Australia, consistently high
Speaker 9: quality to provide that alternative in the school system. Better
Speaker 9: pre apprenticeship and pre pre apprenticeship opportunities for young people.
Speaker 9: One thing that makes a difference with an apprenticeship is
Speaker 9: having a pre apprenticeship taster and to be supported well
Speaker 9: in the first year. So there's a lot we need
Speaker 9: to do to do the rebalancing, but I think the
Speaker 9: benefit it says you just put it very very important
Speaker 9: to the nation, absolutely to the individual.
Speaker 2: You mentioned the word numbers earlier. As you made clear,
Speaker 2: at the end of last year and the decade to
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, with both political parties in power, higher
Speaker 2: education qualifications grew by sixty seven percent. Vocational qualifications, however,
Speaker 2: only by twenty five percent, and that's across a population
Speaker 2: growth of just fourteen percent, So we can see where
Speaker 2: this is being top loaded. But regarding the apprenticeships, and
Speaker 2: that often goes hand in love with the vocational side
Speaker 2: of education training, We've had all sorts of schemes and
Speaker 2: ideas over the years about how that should work, but
Speaker 2: there seems to be a constant squabble between who should
Speaker 2: fund it the apprenticeship, Should it be government, should it
Speaker 2: be the employer, What are the rules and the details
Speaker 2: around it, and a lot of it's from my point
Speaker 2: of view, seems to get bogged down in the minutia
Speaker 2: of the apprenticeship. How do we empower the apprenticeship program
Speaker 2: to incentivize people to say, okay, well that's the available
Speaker 2: so I'm going to go and pursue a trade.
Speaker 9: Well, I think the government last year, of course, commissioned
Speaker 9: a major review into the Australian apprenticeship system. Ian Ross
Speaker 9: and Lisa Paul completed that review. The government has the report.
Speaker 9: The government starting to respond to the aspects of that.
Speaker 9: The initial responses included more incentives for young people, so
Speaker 9: better funding for young people doing apprenticeship. We all know
Speaker 9: that they don't get paid a great deal, so anything
Speaker 9: that provides some additional support is both a cost of
Speaker 9: living benefit but also a longer term attractor for young
Speaker 9: people to enter into into an apprenticeship. So there's still
Speaker 9: more the government I think we'll be doing in relation
Speaker 9: to apprenticeships. That's a positive thing. We've going to make sure.
Speaker 9: Of course, the industry and the business is leaning into
Speaker 9: this as well. They've got to be confident enough about
Speaker 9: the pipeline of work that they have ahead of them
Speaker 9: to take on young people, in particular into apprenticeship. So
Speaker 9: that's a confidence issue in the economy. That's an important
Speaker 9: thing for them wealth and for the Treasurer to be
Speaker 9: aware of. Let's make sure business is confident enough to
Speaker 9: put young people on and we need to be put
Speaker 9: on large numbers. So one of the big reports we
Speaker 9: did at the end of twenty twenty three was that
Speaker 9: the clean energy workforce we need in Australia thirty seven
Speaker 9: different occupations that support the clean energy transformation in this country.
Speaker 9: We need huge numbers of additional apprentices in the electrical traits,
Speaker 9: for example, over the next decade. So we have all
Speaker 9: of the data to tell us this is a great
Speaker 9: opportunity for the country. We need business to lean in
Speaker 9: and to be confident about taking on apprentices and we
Speaker 9: need the government to have the incentives right to actually
Speaker 9: support the program. But I'm confident that that work is
Speaker 9: not only underway but beginning to show signs of making
Speaker 9: a difference. And one of the other elements, of course,
Speaker 9: and all of this is we want more young people
Speaker 9: into theirs. Let's make sure there are no barriers to
Speaker 9: young people going into vocational education and training. So one
Speaker 9: thing that jobs and skills are greated advocating for is
Speaker 9: a more harmonious, terist education system, make it easier to
Speaker 9: move between bat and hire. Let's have fewer barriers. The
Speaker 9: government's response for the that side of that is, let's
Speaker 9: get rid of any financial hurdle with free tape and
Speaker 9: th free tape, all of those things I think are
Speaker 9: important initiatives. We need them now to demonstrate that they'll
Speaker 9: be successful and to measure the success of that over
Speaker 9: the next few years.
Speaker 2: Right, just finally, then if I could, Bunny, I mean,
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you're formerly from UWS, so you
Speaker 2: understand the university side of things as well. But I
Speaker 2: mean you can go back as far as Tony Blair
Speaker 2: in the UK, you know, decades ago now and the
Speaker 2: Labor Party there is right, we need to we want
Speaker 2: to have fifty percent of all British people going through
Speaker 2: a university by whatever the year was. And so the
Speaker 2: government set all of these targets. But why are they
Speaker 2: It seems very obsessed in the federal government level here
Speaker 2: and around the world with getting people through universities and
Speaker 2: less obsessed with getting them through tapes and vocational training.
Speaker 2: What is it about the university sector? The government continue
Speaker 2: to say, we've got to get this percentage through the gate.
Speaker 2: Even if the economy isn't demanding.
Speaker 9: It, well, I think to remember there are parts of
Speaker 9: the economy that are demanding it, which is why we
Speaker 9: need engineers, and we need health professionals, and we need
Speaker 9: social workers and we need psychologists. You know, we need
Speaker 9: those professions and we need them increasing numbers. And we
Speaker 9: need to appreciate that Australia wants to diversify its economy.
Speaker 9: You know, we're very reliant on the resources sector. We
Speaker 9: want to be equally reliant on innovation, creativity, new technology,
Speaker 9: the impact of generative AI. What's that dont mean? Can
Speaker 9: we lead the way? We need strength in our research
Speaker 9: capability in this country. Universities do that in spades. We
Speaker 9: need to make sure their resource to do that.
Speaker 7: So we do need to keep.
Speaker 9: Supporting the university system, There's no doubt about it. But
Speaker 9: right across the world now there's a conversation going on.
Speaker 9: I talk to people in a variety of countries. I
Speaker 9: was online with Skills England earlier this week and talking
Speaker 9: to the National Skills Observatory people in I and everyone
Speaker 9: is talking about how do we encourage young people to
Speaker 9: enter into vocation education training pathways because that sector is
Speaker 9: too sluggish and that will hold us back on productivity.
Speaker 9: And it's also an area whether a great job opportunity
Speaker 9: is great career paths, great lives for young people and
Speaker 9: great opportunities for mature age workers to reskill and up skill.
Speaker 9: So it's not just for young people and we need
Speaker 9: to get that message across.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do well. This is part of the why
Speaker 2: we're having this conversation. Thank you for your time and
Speaker 2: you're inside Barney, appreciate it very much.
Speaker 9: Nowhere is Michael.
Speaker 2: Thanks by Professor Barney Glover, Commissioner of Jobs and Skills Australia.
Speaker 2: It is six minutes to three. Just before we get
Speaker 2: to track the day, a couple of people making the
Speaker 2: point that it's easy enough getting into a tape or
Speaker 2: something like that. The difficult part in this journey is
Speaker 2: then getting the apprenticeship to make all of those skills
Speaker 2: practical and to get you going in a career. Now
Speaker 2: that's I guess what we were in part discussing there
Speaker 2: with the time we had with Professor Glover. The apprenticeship
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