WEBVTT - ‘I just panicked’ 0:00:02.240 --> 0:00:03.520 Nine podcasts. 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.440 Aaron Patterson has given evidence around how she made the 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:10.800 beef Wellington meal, telling The Cord that she used a 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:13.720 mushroom mix as part of a paste, and that she 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:18.240 became concerned that mix could have contained foraged wild mushrooms 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:21.680 around the time that her estranged husband approached her in 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:25.920 hospital and she says accused her of using a dehydrator 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:30.200 to poison his parents. From there, she says she panicked. 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:32.720 Victoria's mushroom mystery. 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:35.519 The mushroom lunch that claimed three lives. 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:38.320 An Australian family's meal is now the center of a 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:42.800 homicide investigation. The bizarre tragedy now grabbing global headlines. Aaron 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:46.560 Patterson's alleged victims died after eating a family lunch she'd 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:47.880 serve them at her home. 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:51.680 I cannot think of another investigation that has generated this 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:54.520 level of media and public interest. 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:57.080 Four of the guests of that lunch were much loved 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:58.360 members of this church. 0:00:58.760 --> 0:00:59.920 Only one will ever. 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:05.760 People are feeling very heavy with having lost such wonderful people. 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:09.360 Today, Aaron Pattison remained here inside her home. 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:14.800 She's continued to plead her innocence in a court room in. 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:18.840 Country Victoria Aaron Patterson is on trial accused of using 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:21.959 death cat mushrooms to kill She's pleaded not guilty to 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:24.679 murdering three of her former in laws and attempting to 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:28.160 kill a fourth, the town's church pastor. It's up to 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:31.400 the jurors to decide what happened when Patterson's loved ones 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:34.959 sat down to eat. On her third day of evidence, 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:38.080 Aaron Patterson has told the court details of how she 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:41.800 says she made the beef Wellington meal. She's also told 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:44.720 the court that she now believes that there could have 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:48.680 been foraged wild mushrooms in the mushroom mix that she 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:50.000 put into that dish. 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:55.000 There's a lot to unpack from today, Penny. We are 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:58.480 recording this podcast episode later than we normally would because 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:01.200 there's been a lot to try process and a lot 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:04.000 to break down and understand, double check quotes, all of 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:05.920 these types of information to make sure what we are 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:09.880 bringing our listeners is a real and true reflection of 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:12.880 what happened in court today. When I was sitting trying 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:15.560 to write my story for the Age before we've sat 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:19.440 down to do this, it was quite difficult to figure 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:21.440 out how much I could get into the first few 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:24.400 pars there was line after line after line of information 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:28.040 and the reason for that is this is Aaron Patterson's third 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:30.839 day on the stand and she was answering questions from 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:34.400 her barrister, Colin Mandy. Again, Aaron, I agree definitely with 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:36.440 the you know, the crosses that I've done throughout the 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:39.800 day for radio and TV as well. It's definitely there's 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:41.440 been so many topics. 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:44.280 Covered, particularly on this particular day, and the fact that 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:46.520 we have the podcast where we can try and bring 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:48.400 people large chunks. 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:48.720 Of the evidence. 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.840 We're really hoping, as we've said, that this gives people 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:54.440 a real insight into what was going on in the courtroom. 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:57.200 Yeah, I'm looking at a notepad in my left hand 0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:58.760 at the moment with a little bit of scribble on 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:02.080 it to remind me of different points to not forget 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:04.440 and the order in which they were presented to the 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:06.840 jury today and some of those. And we'll take you 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:08.880 through all of the evidence that we heard today, but 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:11.960 a quick recap, I suppose on where we got to 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:14.680 by four o'clock this afternoon. We heard a little bit 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:17.720 about a conversation between Aaron Patterson and Simon Patterson when 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:21.320 they were left alone in a hospital room at Monash Hospital. Here, 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:24.840 Simon Patterson asked questions of his estranged wife as to 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:27.720 whether or not she'd use a dehydrator to poison his parents. 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:31.720 We also heard a little bit about Aaron Patterson dumping 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:36.240 some evidence, including a dehydrator during the aftermath of the lunch. 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.760 We heard a little bit about Aaron Patterson admitting it 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:42.400 she did wipe a mobile phone a number of times. 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:45.720 She also said that she told some lies Penny to 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:49.920 keep her children. There was also different things about her 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:53.600 her diary and in her words, her illness continued to 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:56.560 get worse and worse. But she also took us more 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:59.960 importantly and the reason why we're all in court Penny 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:03.320 through the lunch, what happened at the lunch, through in 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.440 her mind what she recalled of that. And there was many, many, 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:09.200 many questions that she answered to the jury today about 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:09.680 that lunch. 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:12.800 Yeah, and those included elements of the shopping, the preparation, 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:16.520 the recipe, the serving up, the plating up, why she 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:19.720 says she held this lunch. And we'll take everyone through 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:23.600 as much as we can fit into one recording. But 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:27.200 let's sort of start from some of the first parts 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:29.919 of the evidence that the jury heard today, and that 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:34.039 was when Aaron Patterson's barrister took Aaron Patterson through a 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:37.560 number of photographs on the big screens and the court 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:40.000 was told that these came from an SD card, so 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:43.280 a memory card that had been recovered from the Gibson 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.920 Street Lee and Gatha home during a police search. Now, 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:50.760 Aaron Patterson was sort of going through these different photos 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:52.920 with her barrister and what we saw in those photos 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.560 was quite a few different mushrooms. 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:57.880 Yeah, I think there was twenty odd pages that Aaron 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:01.360 Patterson was taken through and asked did you take these photographs? 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:04.000 Do you have any memory of taking these photographs? What 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:06.880 is depicted in these photographs? And some of her answers 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:10.120 were that there was mushrooms in those photographs that were 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:12.400 taken in the wild. There was other mushrooms that had 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.200 been picked and that were placed on newspaper and Aaron 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:18.080 Patterson identified that particular picture as being one that was 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:20.679 on her kitchen bench at the time at a previous 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:23.800 addressing in corn Bara in Shelcotte Road. But she was 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:27.320 also then asked to identify some other people that may 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.280 have been in that photograph and that's when she got 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:31.719 a little bit emotional. Penny for the first time on 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:34.120 day twenty six of the trial, and that was when 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:36.359 she was asked to identify, yeah, people in the background, 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:37.679 and she said they were her children. 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:40.400 Yeah. And part of what was shown to the court 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.400 was some very small images which it was asked for 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:45.440 them to be zoomed up, and it was explained by 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:48.760 the barrister. He says that these were snapshots basically taken 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:51.400 from a video, and Aaron Patterson. 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:53.000 Told the court that she believed that. 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:55.680 She had taken that video that her children had been 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:57.800 riding their scooters on a rail trail. 0:05:57.839 --> 0:05:59.599 They're excited to do that, yeah, and she. 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:03.039 Sort of she said, look, you can see that they're 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:05.040 both in that image, and that's when she got a 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:06.840 little bit emotional talking about those children. 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:09.840 But she also noted to the jury that there was a. 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:13.119 Child in that image wearing a red sort of top 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:15.599 and that that was the same child. She said, you 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:17.960 could then see in this other image that she said 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:20.640 was taken at her kitchen bench. But through a lot 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:24.799 of these photos, she seemed to be able to recall 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:28.080 some parts of exactly when she'd taken them and why 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:31.320 She says that was she noted some particular mushrooms, that 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:34.359 they were sort of a brownie yellowy color to me, 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:38.040 at least in grass, that she had picked those from 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:40.800 the grass, and that she had been trying to identify those, 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:42.960 she said, to find out if they were toxic. 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:43.520 For her dog. 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:45.960 She told the jury that she said that was an 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.400 inner cybe mushroom and she'd come to know that that 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:52.039 was a poisonous mushroom that she believed grew on her property. 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:56.159 She was also taken to other screenshots that the prosecution 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:58.680 had introduced as part of their evidence, and they related 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:01.280 to a purchase at the corn Bar Top Pub. This 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:03.480 was something that was happening around the same time as 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:07.640 there was also a visit to a website II Naturalist, 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.200 and Aaron Patterson said, yes, that could have been her 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:13.080 that accessed the our Naturalist page. It made sense because 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:15.680 at the time she was researching whether or not there 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:18.840 was death cat mushrooms growing in South Gippsland. She said 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:22.040 ultimately they weren't and she was then asked further questions 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:25.560 about what else was going on at that time. She confirmed, 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.120 as I said, this purchase at the Coronborough Middle pub, 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:30.960 she said, yes, I remember doing that, I remember making 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:31.680 that purchase. 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:34.560 And she said that she did sometimes purchase dinner on 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:38.600 occasion for her and her family there. When she was 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:41.920 talking also about those sort of the use of her phone, 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:44.480 she was sort of asked about when she was trying 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:46.520 to identify mushrooms how she would do that. She said 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:48.520 mostly she would use her phone because that was the 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:51.600 device usually that was easiest when she had it with her. 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:54.080 When she was asked as well about some of the 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:57.640 our naturalist posts that we've heard during this evidence thus far, 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:01.000 she was asked whether or not she'd ever seen posts 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:04.840 that pinpointed that where deathcat mushrooms were believed to have 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:07.720 grown from other witnesses, Tom May and another woman called 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:10.440 Christine Mackenzie, and she said no, she had not, she 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:13.200 did not ever recall seeing those posts. And well, when 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:15.200 she was asked of her phone records and her travel 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:17.960 was consistent with traveling to lock An Outram area and 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:20.560 if she'd ever forage in those areas, she said. 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.120 No, Yeah, she said she'd never foraged in either of 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:25.200 those two particular locations. 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:27.800 Yeah, we heard in June twenty twenty three, I think 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:30.920 it was the twenty fourth of June, Penny that Aaron 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:33.960 Patterson had a lunch with Don and Gale and her children. 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:36.120 She said she'd become a little worried that there might 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:38.679 have been some distance growing between her and her in 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.280 laws at the time. The way she remembered it when 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:43.320 she was expressing this to the jury was that it 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:45.640 was a really, really good time and her children really 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:47.800 really enjoyed it, and she said that's one of the 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:50.240 reasons why she planned the lunch again a month later 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:52.320 on the twenty ninth of July. It was at this 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.600 time as well, Penny, that she was taken back to 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:57.400 an exhibit called Exhibit fifty one, and this was a 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.679 string of text messages or messages that had been sent 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:02.440 between her and Gail Patterson, and this was a discussion 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:03.800 about her medical appointments. 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:06.520 Here's a little bit of what Aaron Patterson told the 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.920 jury while she was being questioned by her barrister, Colin Mandy. 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:11.360 It's voiced by actors. 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:15.160 The message is from Gail to you, Is that right? 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:15.839 Yes? 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:20.120 And it says hi, erin just wondering how you got 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:21.319 on in your appointment today. 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:22.120 Yep. 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:24.320 What was Gail referring to. 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:27.400 I must have told him I was having a medical 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:28.360 appointment that day. 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:30.120 And do you remember when you told them that? 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:32.920 It may have been at the lanch or maybe slightly 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:35.600 before it. I think it was slightly before. 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:37.840 And what did you say about that medical appointment? 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:41.360 I think I just said I was I was having 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.680 a problem or a lump on my arm checked out? 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:46.000 Did you have a lump on your arm? 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:47.480 I thought I did at one point. 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:51.200 Your response, on twenty ninth of June to that message 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:55.040 is Hi, Gail, the appointment when? Okay? Thanks for asking. 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:58.520 I had a needle biopsy taken of the lump and 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:01.600 I'm returning for an MRI next week and we'll know 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:04.640 more after the results of those two things. Yeah, I 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:06.520 wrote that had you been to an appointment? 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:07.360 No? 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:09.920 Had you had a needle biopsy taken of the lump? 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:10.280 No? 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:12.920 Were you returning for an MIRI the next week? 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:13.520 No? 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:17.520 And were those lies? Yes? And why did you tell 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:18.080 those lies? 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:21.520 So some weeks prior, I had been having an issue 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:25.240 with my elbow with pain, and I thought there was 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:27.439 a lump there and I had told Gail and Don 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:29.600 about that when I saw them or spoke to them, 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:32.880 and they had shown quite a lot of care about that, 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:36.440 which felt really nice, and the issue started to resolve, 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:38.600 and I felt a bit embarrassed that I'd made such 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.240 a big deal about it, and I didn't I didn't 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:43.280 want their care of me to stop, so I just 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:45.480 kept it going. I shouldn't have done it. 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:49.160 And this is where Aaron Patterson explained that she while 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:52.200 she had thought that she had this particular issue with 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:54.640 her arm that had sort of resolved by then, that 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:58.280 she was actually thinking and planning, she said, to have 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:01.600 a different procedure, that she was planning to undergo gastric 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:06.040 bypass surgery to help her, she said, get control of 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:08.400 her weight, and she felt she didn't really have control 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:09.480 of her body at that time. 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:12.320 She remembers she told the jury thinking that she didn't 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.320 want to tell anybody, and she didn't want anybody to 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:16.680 know what was going on, and she was really embarrassed 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:20.640 and thought that at this point, maybe by allowing that 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:23.200 lie to go on, her in laws will be able 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:24.760 to help her with the care of her care of 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:25.320 her children. 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:25.920 Now. 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:29.400 As another part of the evidence, she was taken to 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:34.040 the particular meal, this particular lunch that her barrister has 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:36.440 noted as part of this evidence is what this trial 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:39.880 is all about. And as part of that, Aaron Patterson 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.600 noted that she'd invited both Gail and Heather while they 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:45.560 were at church, that she wanted to make this sort 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.640 of connection with both of them, and she felt that 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:50.680 Ian and Heather had been good to her in the past, 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.040 and so it would be nice to extend and invite 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:56.280 to them, because she said that Gail had previously said 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:58.840 when she'd spoken to her about having her guard and 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:01.240 done that she thought that that's something that Heather might 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:02.240 really enjoy seeing. 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:04.920 She said that when she invited her lunch guests her 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:07.160 in laws, she didn't give them a reason for the lunch, 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:11.000 but she did acknowledge that when Simon Patterson canceled and 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:13.920 said and texted her to say he wasn't coming shortly 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:16.040 before the lunch, that she revealed to him that there 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:18.360 were some health concerns that she wanted to talk about. 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:21.440 She said she grew she grew really frustrated that he 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:25.160 wasn't coming, and that she really wanted him to be there. 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:27.400 She really wanted to feel like the family was getting 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:31.200 around her at that time. And then the questioning turned 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:34.240 to more about the beef Wellington penny and why Aaron 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:36.200 Patterson decided to cook that particular meal. 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:38.439 She's told the court through her evidence that she made 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:41.280 a shepherd's pie for the previous family lunch. She said 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:44.280 that Donnegale seemed to really enjoy that, but she felt 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:47.520 it wasn't really a special enough meal for what she 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:50.640 wanted to this particular lunch occasion to be. And she 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.720 told the court that she remembered that her mum used 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:57.240 to make beef Wellington's on really special occasions, and she 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:00.280 said she'd actually never made a beef wellington herself, but 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:02.520 that she had this memory and she thought, well, she 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:05.560 might try and give that a go. And she gave 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:08.040 evidence that she used the recipe Tin Eats. 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:10.640 Cookbook YEP as the basis for this recipe. 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:13.720 She also was taken through her shopping history quite a 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:17.000 bit on the days that came before this lunch, so 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:20.000 particularly it was touched on the twenty third of July 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:24.480 and the twenty seventh and multiple purchases for pastry, and 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:27.559 there was also multiple purchases for mushrooms there as well 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:30.240 as phil Att's steak. And she told the jury a 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:32.960 little bit about why she said that she was making 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:34.120 these different purchases. 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:38.480 Her recollection of the events at that time was she 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:41.000 saw in the recipe books, in the recipe Tin Eats book, 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.480 that the beef Wellington was made in a log shape. 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:45.480 And at this time during her evidence, she was using 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:48.440 her hands penny to demonstrate the size of the beef 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:51.880 Wellington log to the jury as she was answering questions 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:54.440 from her defense barrister, and she explained that when she 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:58.360 was out shopping, yes, she bought pastry shalots, these types 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:00.920 of ingredients for the meal. When she was trying to 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:04.120 find meat to fit this log style beef Wellington, she 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:07.160 couldn't find anything big enough, so she changed her mind 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:09.319 and decided to buy steaks. And she said that's when 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:12.000 she started to adapt the recipe a little bit and 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:14.480 make them individual beef Wellington's. And it was at this 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:17.360 point she was looking up up to her right up 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:20.400 to the roof, and she appeared to be remembering other 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.560 changes that she made to the meal as well. 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:24.240 At that time, she was. 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:27.240 Saying that because she made the individual beef Wellington's penny, 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:31.520 she needed more mushroom paste because there was more surface 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:33.960 area that needed to be covered. 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:36.720 She gave evidence that she had also bought this extra 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:38.760 filo pastry because she felt there was a step in 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.920 the recipe involving a crepe that was a little bit difficult, 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:44.240 so she was trying to sort of replace another item there. 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:46.680 She also said the recipe called for proscuto, but that 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:50.000 she didn't use that because don didn't eat any pork. 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:52.640 So she took the court in quite a lot of 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:55.480 detail through what she says she did to make this 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.920 particular meal, and she said that as she was sort 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.960 of making this meal, she'd used her thermo mix to 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:06.880 condense down or chop up those already sliced fresh mushrooms. 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:09.720 These were fresh sliced mushrooms she said that had been 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:13.000 prepackaged that she bought from the supermarket that were covered 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:16.000 in clear plastic. And she added those two garlic and 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.280 shalots that were already cooking in the pan. 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:22.160 And she said that's when she tried this particular sort 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:24.440 of mixture, and she felt that it was actually a 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:28.080 little bit bland. So she told the jury through her 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:31.000 evidence that she had then gone and got decided to 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:34.640 add some dried mushrooms to this to try and sort 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:38.240 of add to that particular flavor, and in her evidence 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:41.560 she said that she was getting some dried mushrooms that 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:46.160 she remembered purchasing from a grosser in Melbourne back a 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:48.400 few months before this lunch. But what will take you 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:51.760 to now is Colin man dys as he's questioning his 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:55.080 client about this particular element of the preparation. 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:56.840 It's not anyone's real voice. 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:01.440 You said, he told the jury yesterday about the topperware 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:04.960 container that was in your pantry. Yeah, at that time, 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:09.160 to your knowledge, what was in that tupperware container? 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:12.120 At that time, I believed it was just the mushrooms 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:13.440 that I'd bought in Melbourne. 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:17.160 And now what do you think might have been in 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:18.320 that tupperware container? 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:21.560 Now, I think there was a possibility that there were 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:23.280 foraged ones in there as well. 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:25.480 Now I've got in my notes here, Penny. It was 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.320 at this point that I looked up from where I 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:30.800 was seated in the courtroom and I could see Aaron Patterson, 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:33.920 who appeared to be sobbing at this point. And it 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:36.640 was as she was also talking about how she introduced 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:39.080 those mushrooms into the meal. This was all part of 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:41.800 the same line of questioning, and she was also using 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:44.240 her hands again to express how she was cooking and 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:46.880 adding these dried mushrooms to the meal. And she said 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:49.560 that she used a little strainer with a handle and 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:52.600 she used that to roughly pour some water, allow some 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:55.200 water to be poured over them to get the crispness out, 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:57.440 chop them up, and then sprinkled them over what she 0:16:57.440 --> 0:16:59.560 said was her duct cell. Then she said, you quote 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:01.200 push them in with an egg flip. 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:04.200 She gave evidence that she made six of these different 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:07.480 beef Wellington six parcels yep, and that she'd sort of 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:11.040 cooked them, and she also talked through some processes around 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:14.359 browning off the meat, putting that into eventually sort of 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:15.800 the entire process to cook these. 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:18.200 And then we got to a bit of a timeline 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:20.680 of the lunch and what happened and who was standing 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:24.120 where and receiving what, and that's when the questioning switched 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:27.399 to the plates that we used, and Aaron Patterson was 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:29.879 asked what plates that she had, and she took the 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:31.960 jury through that she think that it was a couple 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:34.000 of black ones, a couple of white ones. There was 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:35.840 one that was red on the top and black underneath, 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:38.320 and also one that her daughter had made her at kindergarten. 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:42.240 But then she was asked by Colin Mandy, do you 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:44.600 own any other dinner plates, and her response was no, 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:47.080 I did not. Then he asked did you own any 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:49.639 gray plates, and she also said no. Then she was 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.520 explaining as she was dishing up what food was going where, 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:55.840 and who was grabbing which plates, these types of things, 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:58.240 And then the conversation or then the evidence turned to 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:02.680 the conversation that was happening at the lunch table. She 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:05.720 was explaining that the other guests were sharing with her 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:08.200 the news that a family member had just had a baby, 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:10.880 and she was really excited about that, and later even 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:14.479 sent off a text message congratulation to this woman. And 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:17.720 then there was a little bit more information about whether 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:20.440 or not she saw her lunch guests take the plates, 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.200 and she said no, Penny. At that time, she turned 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:26.240 and she was heating up some gravy when the plates 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:28.720 were picked up and her recollection was By the time 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:31.320 she turned back around, four of the plates were already 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:33.400 being carried to the table, so she took the one 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:34.480 that was left on the bench. 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:36.840 Yeah, she said, there was no assigned seats at this 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:39.639 particular lunch and when she was doing that gravy. She 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:42.200 said it was a packet gravy, that it was perhaps 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:45.439