WEBVTT - The 7 Best Books for Better Thinking

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much for listening to the show. If this

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<v Speaker 1>is your first time here, here's something you may not

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<v Speaker 1>know about me. I'm a very curious person. So when

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<v Speaker 1>I sometimes do things which impact me and those around

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<v Speaker 1>me in a negative way, I try to a stop

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<v Speaker 1>doing those things and be try to learn as much

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<v Speaker 1>as I can about which parts of my brain are

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<v Speaker 1>involved with that, and hopefully you use those parts of

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<v Speaker 1>my brain to help me figure out something else to

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<v Speaker 1>do in that situation. Now, my producer Adam asked me

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<v Speaker 1>to do an episode about some of the books that

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<v Speaker 1>I've used to learn about the way the brains work

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<v Speaker 1>and why people do things in certain situations. I've got

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<v Speaker 1>seven books coming up for you today right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>for that. Look, here are seven books that I consider

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<v Speaker 1>fundamental if you want to be thinking about thinking. It's

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<v Speaker 1>by no means an exhaustive list. There's probably many more

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<v Speaker 1>that I've missed out on. There's certainly many more that

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to put on this list, and it won't

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<v Speaker 1>be the last time I do this. However, if I

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<v Speaker 1>were to consider which books have really shaped the way

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<v Speaker 1>that I think about thinking and why people are the

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<v Speaker 1>way they are are these books have been incredibly influential

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<v Speaker 1>upon me. So let's go first up, Deep Survival by

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<v Speaker 1>Lawrence Gonzales. I will read this book easily one time

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<v Speaker 1>a year, and I've done that for over fifteen years now.

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<v Speaker 1>This book is an absolute masterclass in understanding why some

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<v Speaker 1>people survive seemingly impossible situations while others with similar skills,

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<v Speaker 1>similar equipment, and possibly more skills and more equipment simply

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<v Speaker 1>don't survive those situations. This book is about what happens

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<v Speaker 1>to our brains in a survival situation. In this book,

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<v Speaker 1>Lawrence Gonzalez uses real life incidents. I'm talking terrible accidents,

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<v Speaker 1>but also miraculous rescues, and using those helps us learn

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<v Speaker 1>that we can understand a lot more about how people

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<v Speaker 1>respond in high stakes moments. Gonzales really dives into these

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<v Speaker 1>gripping and quite terrifying real life survival stories, everything from

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<v Speaker 1>playing crashes way out in the wilderness to mountaineering accidents,

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<v Speaker 1>and meticulously dissects the psychological and physiological factors that are

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<v Speaker 1>at play. Gonzalez explores how our brains react under situations

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<v Speaker 1>of extreme stress, and in those situations he shows time

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<v Speaker 1>and again how that extreme stress often leads to predictable errors,

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<v Speaker 1>but also using those examples, describes how certain mindsets and

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<v Speaker 1>being prepared in a particular way can dramatically increase our

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<v Speaker 1>chances of survival. It's less about brute strength, It's more

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<v Speaker 1>about the mental resilience and the ability to adapt. The

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<v Speaker 1>main thing that I took from Deep Survival is that

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<v Speaker 1>when the shit hits the fan, whether it's being caught

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<v Speaker 1>in a rip or going through a rough patch at work,

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<v Speaker 1>pay attention to your body signals to your best to

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<v Speaker 1>slow down. Survival is not about brute force. It's about mindfulness. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>deep survival is the reason that if you ever sit

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<v Speaker 1>next to me on a plane, you'll notice that we

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<v Speaker 1>will always be within five rows of an exit. Right

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<v Speaker 1>next up, I talk about this next book all the

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<v Speaker 1>time on this show. It's called The Art of Possibility.

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<v Speaker 1>It's by Rosamun Stone Xander and Benjamin Xander. So the

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<v Speaker 1>co writers of this book are a family therapist and

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<v Speaker 1>a renowned orchestral conductor. And it's a truly unique exploration

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<v Speaker 1>of how our perspective shapes our reality, using real world

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<v Speaker 1>stories of managing the unique personalities which come together in

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<v Speaker 1>a world around youth orchestra, very high stake stuff. This

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<v Speaker 1>book invites us to shift from a world of scarcity,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of what can I get, to one of possibility,

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<v Speaker 1>what can I contribute? When I went to business school

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<v Speaker 1>in Amsterdam a while ago, now, this book is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the books which was required reading before I started

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<v Speaker 1>my core and it fundamentally transformed the way that I

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<v Speaker 1>deal with adversity. There's a simple tool that I'll share

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<v Speaker 1>with you right now, which the Xanders offer. And this

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<v Speaker 1>tool has helped me too many times to count. And

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<v Speaker 1>that is when everything is falling apart, when things are

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<v Speaker 1>just really just falling a bit, so you can't imagine

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<v Speaker 1>how it could get any worse. If you throw your

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<v Speaker 1>hands in the air and gleefully squeal, how fascinating no

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<v Speaker 1>matter how bad it feels, immediately you're presented with an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to choose a different possibility as to what happens next. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>at first it seemed a bit naff, but then it

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<v Speaker 1>started working, and it's worked too many times to be

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<v Speaker 1>bunk them. And that's just one of the twelve practices

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<v Speaker 1>that the Zanders offer in this book, a book which

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<v Speaker 1>can truly transform personal and professionalize. I don't know about you,

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<v Speaker 1>but I was somewhat raised in a mindset of scarcity

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<v Speaker 1>and competition. Well, in this book they offer an alternative

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<v Speaker 1>set of abundance and collaboration, seeing possibilities where others see limitations.

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<v Speaker 1>The big takeaway from the Art of Possibility for me

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<v Speaker 1>would be that life's not just about getting through the

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<v Speaker 1>notes on the page when you're playing right, It's about

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<v Speaker 1>playing those notes and taking what you've been given, but

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<v Speaker 1>using that stuff to create something new and something wonderful.

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<v Speaker 1>Next up, it's a book about habit. Long before there

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<v Speaker 1>was James clear, there was Charles Dewhig. The Power of

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<v Speaker 1>Habit was the first book which for me unlocked that

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<v Speaker 1>the tendency my brain can have for repetition, compulsion and

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<v Speaker 1>rumination could actually be channeled towards something positive. Doing breaks

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<v Speaker 1>down habits and the way they work, and doing that

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<v Speaker 1>was really it was like getting cheat codes for my brain.

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<v Speaker 1>First up, he talks about the habit loop Q routine reward,

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<v Speaker 1>and then shows how understanding this loop is the key

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<v Speaker 1>to not only changing bad habits, but also forming new

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<v Speaker 1>habits which actually align with your goals and where you

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<v Speaker 1>want to end up. Now, that's also pretty interesting stuff

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<v Speaker 1>because he doesn't only cover things like boding your nails

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<v Speaker 1>or breaking the habit of demolishing a pack of Timtams

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<v Speaker 1>at three PM. He also goes into how marketers use

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<v Speaker 1>habits to sell products, like how Procter and Gamble used

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<v Speaker 1>habit research to turn for Breeze, which had launched and

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty much a flop. Turning for Breeze from that

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<v Speaker 1>into an all conquering under the sink staple right around

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<v Speaker 1>the world, and how habits adopted across a whole workforce

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<v Speaker 1>we used to make a massive workplace, huge foundry like

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<v Speaker 1>Alcoa much much safer. This book is a look at

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<v Speaker 1>how a seemingly small change can make a much larger

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<v Speaker 1>ripple effect. Habit shape who we are more than we

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<v Speaker 1>would like to admit. And the biggest thing that I

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<v Speaker 1>got from this book was that to change habit, you

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<v Speaker 1>can keep the same cue and the reward, but you

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<v Speaker 1>swap in a new routine and that way you're not

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<v Speaker 1>stuck or led by something that you can't control. You're

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<v Speaker 1>actually working out that you're programmable and if you want,

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<v Speaker 1>you can program yourself to achieve some pretty magnificent things.

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<v Speaker 1>But understanding how we can get stuck in a bad

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<v Speaker 1>habit involves understanding the way that our brains work with reward,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is where this next book comes in. The

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<v Speaker 1>Molecule of More by Daniel Lieberman and Michael E. Long

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<v Speaker 1>is an absolutely mind bending journey into the world of dopamine.

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<v Speaker 1>This single neurotransmitter which is produced in your brain, in

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<v Speaker 1>my brain, and the brains of everybody we know it's

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<v Speaker 1>often associated with pleasure, but that really under sells what

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<v Speaker 1>dopamine is to us as humans. I would argue that

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<v Speaker 1>the presence of dopamine and the way that we think

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<v Speaker 1>is the reason that we as humans have taken over

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<v Speaker 1>the planet. Dopamine is the molecule of more. It drives

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<v Speaker 1>our desires, our pursuits, our goals, and our motivation. Think

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<v Speaker 1>of the difference between liking something and wanting something. Which

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<v Speaker 1>one's going to drive you to action, Which one is

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<v Speaker 1>going to make you pick up the phone and call

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<v Speaker 1>that person you want to go on a date with.

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<v Speaker 1>Which one is going to get you out of bed

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<v Speaker 1>and get you the gym every day? Which one is

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<v Speaker 1>going to click that picture and buy that thing. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a very big difference in what happens in our brain

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<v Speaker 1>between liking something and wanting something, and it's all about

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<v Speaker 1>the dopamine. I absolutely loved reading about how dopamine impacts

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<v Speaker 1>everything from love and addiction to even creativity and our

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<v Speaker 1>societal aspirations. It also helped me understand a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>about my own experience with addiction and help me integrate

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<v Speaker 1>some practices into my life that I guess helped me

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<v Speaker 1>fall in love in a way with training and training

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<v Speaker 1>every day changing the way that I think about it

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<v Speaker 1>so that I don't train because I feel have to

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a pinnish and h I trained because I

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<v Speaker 1>want to and I can't wait to do it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I use techniques or found in this book to help

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<v Speaker 1>me get to that spot. It's a fascinating look into

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<v Speaker 1>how our brain chemistry shapes our experiences and our drive

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<v Speaker 1>to achieve. And that's before you talk about how dopamine

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<v Speaker 1>influences us as a species. There's a whole section in

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<v Speaker 1>this book which absolutely blew my mind about one specific

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<v Speaker 1>gene expression related to the level of dopamine receptors and

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<v Speaker 1>how it shows up in people and is a significant

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<v Speaker 1>factor in how we as humans just kept walking from

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<v Speaker 1>the plains of Africa, across Europe and all the way

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<v Speaker 1>down to the bottom tip of South America. By measuring

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<v Speaker 1>the levels of this gene receptor in indigenous populations of

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<v Speaker 1>these countries, researchers have shown that this particular receptor was

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<v Speaker 1>blunted to the effect of dopamine so these people for

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<v Speaker 1>them to get to normal, the feeling of oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is an okay amount of excitement and stimulation. They

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<v Speaker 1>needed to be a lot more novelty. So for people

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<v Speaker 1>who were going, oh, we've come here and this is

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<v Speaker 1>a great place to settle down and we'll build our

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<v Speaker 1>society here, there was a small cohort of every community going, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is nice, but I don't know what's over that

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<v Speaker 1>hill over there. They went off trying to find. They

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<v Speaker 1>went seeking for things that were new and interesting to

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<v Speaker 1>get them up to that feeling of normalcy. Now, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not saying that you and I are going to migrate

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<v Speaker 1>across the world by foot, but it's been enormously helpful

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<v Speaker 1>understanding how dopamine affects me, and reading this book really

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<v Speaker 1>helped me do that. Dopamine is less about immediate pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>It's more about the pursuit of novelty and future rewards,

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<v Speaker 1>and it profoundly influences our drive, our creativity, and this

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<v Speaker 1>quest for more. The book is fascinating. It really helped

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<v Speaker 1>me understand everything from how I eat to how I

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<v Speaker 1>how I shop. It's a brilliant, brilliant book. We do

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<v Speaker 1>have to take a quick break. I'll be back with

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<v Speaker 1>three more books, including one written by a person who

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<v Speaker 1>is part human, part wizard and is a profound instruction

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<v Speaker 1>manual that I wish I had when I was a

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<v Speaker 1>younger man. Thanks so much for being with me today.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going through seven books which I think about when

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<v Speaker 1>I think about thinking. Book number five is Emotional Agility

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<v Speaker 1>by Susan David, originally from South Africa, now somewhere between

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<v Speaker 1>being a psychologist at Harvard and living in Melbourne. Susan

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<v Speaker 1>David has been a guest on this podcast twice now.

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<v Speaker 1>She's an incredible human being. And Susan David has this

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<v Speaker 1>line from this book Emotional Agility, which I quote all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. Uncomfortable feelings are the price of admission to

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<v Speaker 1>a meaningful life. Susan's concept of emotional agility, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>about suppressing your emotions or always being positive. It's that

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<v Speaker 1>it's about acknowledging your thoughts and feelings, even the difficult ones,

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<v Speaker 1>and then moving through them constructively. She talks about how

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<v Speaker 1>true resilience comes from being able to face our inner

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<v Speaker 1>experiences with curiosity and compassion, rather than getting hooked by

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<v Speaker 1>them or trying to ignore them. I found this book

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly useful because it provides practical strategies for identifying emotional patterns,

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<v Speaker 1>stebbing back from judgment of ourselves and others, and then

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<v Speaker 1>aligning our actions with our values even when we feel uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>This book isn't about controlling your emotions. Rather, it's about

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<v Speaker 1>accepting them and then choosing how you respond and allowing

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<v Speaker 1>you to move forward authentically. And if some of that

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like familiar territory, you'd be right, because this particular

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<v Speaker 1>kind of psychology is something that really helped me in

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<v Speaker 1>the past, and that experience was the inspiration for what

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<v Speaker 1>was behind book number six, which is so What Now What?

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<v Speaker 1>By Osha Ginsburg and illustrated by Campbell Walker. Come on,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, I'm going to plug my own book. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you reckon? Yeah, I've got a pre sale coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to make it happen. We're in the pre

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<v Speaker 1>order phase. Every single copy that I get pre ordered

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<v Speaker 1>now helps me to launch it in the States. I

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<v Speaker 1>really want to get it up in America, but I've

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<v Speaker 1>got to show them that the sales are pumping along here.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're in the States, please get onto this.

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<v Speaker 1>If you order an Amazon there, it will ship over

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<v Speaker 1>to you. I really really need to get this book

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<v Speaker 1>over there. There was a time not too long ago,

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<v Speaker 1>even when I was living with life threatening mental anguish.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things that really helped me to find

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<v Speaker 1>a pathway out of that pain was a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>treatment known as acceptance commitment therapy. Now, once I knew

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<v Speaker 1>how powerful this set of ideas could be, I really

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to share what I'd learned in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>was as accessible as possible, particularly the people who might

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<v Speaker 1>never ever call up their GP or answer the question

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<v Speaker 1>are you okay? With Yeah, I'm just tired. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>you could say that experience. My experience provides the backbone

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<v Speaker 1>of this book, which is an illustrated dialogue between an

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<v Speaker 1>arrator frozen by painful thoughts and feelings and a literal

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<v Speaker 1>helping hand. To make sure that all the psychological concepts, techniques,

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<v Speaker 1>and ideas were absolutely watertight, so Cam and I worked

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<v Speaker 1>extensively with an eminent act psychologist both the wording and

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<v Speaker 1>the visuals to make sure that both of them were compelling,

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<v Speaker 1>an accurate, and a true representation of the therapeutic process.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that I also got to work with one

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<v Speaker 1>of my heroes, the great artist Campbell Walker also known

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<v Speaker 1>as truth Its really meant that the message I was

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<v Speaker 1>hoping to convey to kind of an entirely different layer,

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<v Speaker 1>another layer of depth, of humor and of meaning, and

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<v Speaker 1>between the two of us were able to make some

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<v Speaker 1>pretty complex topics far easier to digest. So please there's

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<v Speaker 1>a link in the show notes to get a copy

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<v Speaker 1>for you, get a copy for your friend, get a

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<v Speaker 1>copy just in case you'll find the link in the

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<v Speaker 1>show notes. Okay. Book number six plug over Finally the

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<v Speaker 1>book that I wish existed when I was playing music

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<v Speaker 1>and jumping on stage. But I'm so grateful that exists

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<v Speaker 1>now that I'm writing and performing so much and really

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<v Speaker 1>putting myself out there and doing things like this podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>my upcoming live show, comedy shows, really bold ideas like

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<v Speaker 1>the live show that I'm trying to do for this tour.

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<v Speaker 1>This book to it now what it involves live motion

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<v Speaker 1>capture and three D animation, and not many people are

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<v Speaker 1>expecting what that's going to look like, and I'm terrified

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<v Speaker 1>of it. But reading this book has really helped me

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<v Speaker 1>have the confidence to just boldly charge forward. The seventh

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<v Speaker 1>book today is The Creative Act, A Way of Being

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<v Speaker 1>by Rick Ruben. If you're involved in any kind of

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<v Speaker 1>creative pursuit or even just curious about the creative process.

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<v Speaker 1>This book is an absolute must read for you. Rick

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<v Speaker 1>Rubin is part guru and part wizard. He is a

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<v Speaker 1>legendary music producer who changed the world with his work

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<v Speaker 1>that turned great albums into incredible albums for bands like

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<v Speaker 1>The Beastie Boys, El Cool, Jay Slayer, The Red Chili,

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<v Speaker 1>Pepper jay Z, Johnny Cash. Not to mention, Sue mix

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<v Speaker 1>a Lot, Baby Got Back yep. Rick Rubin co produced

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<v Speaker 1>Baby Got Back. Thank you, Rick. But Rick is about

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<v Speaker 1>so much more than that. This book is exceptional. In

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<v Speaker 1>this book, he really distills just decades of experience into

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<v Speaker 1>a very clearly written, simply written, but a profound meditation

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<v Speaker 1>on creativity itself. It's not a how to guide. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no step by step instructions. It's more an exploration of

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<v Speaker 1>the principles, mindsets, and practices that foster creativity. He talks

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<v Speaker 1>about the importance of listening, of observation, of detachment, surrendering

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<v Speaker 1>to the creative flow. It's about understanding that creativity isn't

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<v Speaker 1>just about producing something, but about a way of being

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<v Speaker 1>in a way of connecting with the world around you.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've ever had the thought, the limiting thought of

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<v Speaker 1>well I'm not that creative, then this book is for you,

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<v Speaker 1>because this book really challenges us to see that creativity

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<v Speaker 1>is not a specialized skill practiced by a select and

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<v Speaker 1>elite few, but creativity is a fundamental aspect of human existence,

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<v Speaker 1>a way of being that enriches our lives and offers

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<v Speaker 1>a path to a deeper connection with ourselves, with others,

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<v Speaker 1>and with the world around us. I look forward to

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<v Speaker 1>your thoughts. Maybe if there's some books that I've missed,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd love to get your ideas on that. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much for joining me on this episode. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>wait to hear what you think. We're back here on Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 1>My guest that I'm thrilled to welcome is Chris Ryan.

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<v Speaker 1>She has a brand new live show which is playing

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<v Speaker 1>in Melbourne this weekend. I put a link in the

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<v Speaker 1>show notes for that. Thanks so much for listening. Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>so much for Addam Bunch for cutting this episode. Enjoy

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<v Speaker 1>the show. If you liked it, please tell someone like it.

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<v Speaker 1>us where around. Okay, I'll see it Wednesday