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S2: It's going well. I stayed up last night watching all

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S1: Today on the drop, we're going to be talking about

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S1: the new sex comedy starring Jennifer Lawrence. It's called No

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S2: I have a few questions if you follow up questions,

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S3: The What's up? And he, like nodded and that was it.

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S2: So you are actually the one that was reaching out

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S3: Well, yeah. You know, when you walk into a room,

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S3: say anything, especially when I'm like, This guy is probably

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S2: Laugh at the same bits?

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S3: Yeah, we both were chuckling. We were chuckling. And did

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S3: Yeah, he's here right now in the room.

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S1: I don't know whether it's waited to watch a movie

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S1: a giant theater chuckling to yourself in this raunchy Jennifer

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S10: Yeah, I thought there would at least be like, some.

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S3: Horny teens like or something. But yeah, it was just

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S2: Well, that sounds like quite a magical moment that you shared, though.

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S2: It's one of my favorite things to do. And I did.

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S3: I also I mean, he wants to take that one.

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S2: I set you up. I'm good. Like, I'm the jailer.

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S2: I'm giving you all a comedic platform.

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S1: I didn't say anything. I just.

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S2: Laughed. Yeah, I saw your face.

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S1: Tell us about tell us about your. You had a

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S1: more luxurious cinema experience. Yeah.

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S2: I did. Because not to sound a bit out of touch,

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S2: but we often say these films in screening sessions beforehand.

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S2: And then my local is a so I have.

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S3: No.

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S9: Attendee.

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S2: But Dante just show trash now these days And so

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S2: and I also don't like shopping centers like they kind

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S2: But I did go I did go to a Hoyts

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S2: for this. And I have.

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S3: One of the people.

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S2: Yeah, one of the people. Except I just saw like

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S2: I didn't realize is like.

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S1: In this economy, what cost of living crisis?

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S2: When I saw the price on there, I was like, Wow,

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S2: the ticket and then I got a free drink. I

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S2: the lady back. I was like, Oh no, I didn't

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S2: order this. And she insisted I have it. I had

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S2: Yeah, I believe that popcorn probably cost me about $25,

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S2: but I enjoyed it. No, it was a real it

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S1: Go there more people than in Thomas's screening.

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S2: Yeah, there were lots of people. I was the only

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S2: it seems you felt alienated. Safe? Yeah.

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S1: I had a I had a bit of a mixed

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S1: experience watching this one. So I love going to the movies.

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S1: And in particular, I think when Bros came out, I

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S1: the other kind of like raunchy kind of sex comedy

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S1: with Billy Eichner that people were saying might re herald

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S1: this kind of Apatow esque renaissance. I was so excited

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S1: to watch that in a theater because it's funny and

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S1: these sort of comedy films. So I was really hype

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S1: after that experience to watch this one. I went to

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S1: started really well. Like I was, I was in the

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S1: buying a ticket and she said, Can I get two

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S1: tickets to the Jennifer Lawrence movie plays? And I thought,

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S1: That is cool. That feels like a real throwback to

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S1: the 90s where people don't really know what's out. They

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S1: and we went into the theatre and the theater was

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S1: quite packed. Went to go get our seats. I like

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S1: if you know what I mean. Just like middle from

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S1: And the seats were occupied. So we sat down at

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S1: the very end and they weren't great seats. This particular theater,

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S1: the wall sort of is angled in a weird way,

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S1: so it wasn't really comfortable. We sat down and the

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S1: people who are sitting in the middle in our seats

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S1: clearly recognized they had done something wrong. Because I said

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S1: to us, Oh, well, wait in your seats. And I

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S1: was like, Yes. And then they didn't do anything.

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S9: And I lost you at bro. Yeah.

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S1: I wasn't.

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S9: Like, Well.

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S1: Get up and reshuffle because that would annoy so many

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S1: people who are innocent third parties in this and get

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S1: everyone to move. I just didn't want to be a

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S1: joke about it, so I ended up moving to the

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S1: towards the front. Yeah, it was fine. In the end,

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S1: I was just like, Come on guys, we're in the theater.

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S1: This only works if we all, like, trust each other, right?

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S1: And obey the rules. We live in a society. We

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S1: can't go rogue.

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S3: Although that being said, if you wanted the, like, traditional

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S3: moviegoing experience and you kind of got it and you're like,

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S3: you have the conversation, someone's in your seats, like, Yeah,

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S3: I think it is worth also noting that, yeah, similar

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S3: to you, I like to also sit in the middle.

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S3: In the middle.

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S2: Is that worth noting?

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S9: Well, no, it brings me back to this.

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S3: Freak behind.

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S9: Me.

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S3: Like who? Books and empty cinema and sits on the side.

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S3: You did too. So I sat.

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S9: In the middle. All right. It was back.

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S1: Into the right.

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S9: Mel, come on. Yeah, I'm.

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S3: Sorry. So, like, he presumably I presume he booked before

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S3: me because he seemed like the type of person who

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S3: books in advance. And he was like, Yeah, I'll sit

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S3: up here. I can fucking wig everybody out.

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S2: Anyway, it tickles me that this is your experience of

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S2: an unsafe space.

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S1: I'm like half an hour into this chat and it's

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S1: still just Thomas and I talking about sitting in the movies.

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S1: But we did eventually relocate and the rest of the expressions,

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S1: I got to say, it was really good. It was

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S1: quite a full, I'd say most three quarters, 4/5 full cinema.

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S1: And people were laughing. They were having a good time.

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S1: There was like a little bit of whispering, a little

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S1: bit of chat. It just felt like what going to

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S1: the movies is all about. Which brings me finally to

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S1: this movie itself and how we felt about it. Thomas,

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S1: take it away. What was your reaction to No Hard

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S1: feelings from.

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S2: The middle seat as you saw it?

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S9: Well, from the.

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S3: Middle seat, it's probably.

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S9: A good place to.

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S3: Start because I felt it was a a kind of

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S3: middle of the road film. Like it was it was funny.

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S3: And I chuckled along with my friend at all the

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S3: appropriate moments. And I like I said, I think it

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S3: was a really good return for Jennifer Lawrence. I don't

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S3: know if I was like blown away. And I think

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S3: the movie's getting a pretty good response. I think I

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S3: just found it like I would give it like a B+.

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S3: I thought both the leads were really funny. Her and

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S3: the guy who plays Percy. I don't know if the

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S3: script was amazing. I think the performance is like lifted it,

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S3: but yeah, like I really enjoyed it as a, as

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S3: a night out at the cinema. But yeah, I don't

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S3: know if I was blown away.

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S2: I loved it. I had same as you was. I

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S2: had a great time. Everyone in the cinema was having

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S2: a great time. I had my legs up. I thought

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S2: it was really good and I thought Andrew Barth Feldman

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S2: and Jennifer Lawrence, That pairing at the heart of the

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S2: film absolutely made it. And they worked really well together

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S2: and off each other. I thought it was kind of

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S2: a bit unevenly paced. I know us You felt the

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S2: same way too, that the kind of final third all

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S2: of a sudden descended a bit into earnestness that maybe

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S2: didn't feel in keeping with the tone. But I left

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S2: the cinema not feeling like the film had gone on

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S2: too long or that I wanted to get out or

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S2: that I was getting distracted. I left feeling like, Yeah,

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S2: that was a great experience. I'm glad I saw that.

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S1: Yeah, I think I'm probably slightly closer to Thomas in

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S1: this one and it might just be because I had

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S1: such high expectations for this. I think because we are

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S1: not seeing many of these films released in cinemas anymore

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S1: that when the trailer for this dropped and it was

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S1: Jennifer Lawrence playing a very different role and it was

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S1: pitched as this kind of like raunchy, edgy comedy with

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S1: a little bit of slapstick and just like set in

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S1: a nice, like, beautiful American town. I was like, Great.

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S1: This could be something like forgetting Sarah Marshall. This could

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S1: be something like Superbad. And it just really wasn't. And

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S1: I really think that is the writing more than the performances.

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S1: This is a pretty straightforward film. There is like one story,

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S1: there's one conceit, and for the first two thirds of

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S1: the movie, I thought it did a really good job

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S1: of milking all the comedy and drama you could from that.

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S1: And then I think as it starts to resolve itself.

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S1: You realize that there's not really much else going on.

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S1: Like there are a couple of threads that hint at like,

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S1: like this film is set in this town of Montauk.

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S1: I think it's on Long Island in New York. There's

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S1: a hint of like gentrification narrative at play. There's some

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S1: drama with Jennifer Lawrence family. There's a few bits and

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S1: pieces hinted at that could have made this like slightly

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S1: richer or thrown in a couple of twists. I think

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S1: that you would have walked away being like that was

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S1: a really funny and satisfying and enriching. And instead it

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S1: was like kind of funny for the first two thirds,

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S1: then a little bit flat, and I just kind of

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S1: thought I wanted a little bit more. Does that make sense?

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S3: Yeah, I really agree. And I think if you look

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S3: at some of the classics, the Forgetting Sarah Marshall, Super

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S3: Bad's like the classics of that era. You've always got

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S3: like the leads, but then the the B and C

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S3: storylines are stacked with people and you care about those characters.

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S3: This felt like maybe there was like some missed opportunity

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S3: to bring other people in. You have comedian Hasan Minhaj

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S3: playing an old high school friend of Maddy's, and he's

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S3: a real estate agent and he's great. And he's one scene,

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S3: but he could have been like a role like that

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S3: could have been definitely more utilized. I just I just

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S3: felt like that just to to really, like, take this

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S3: to the next level and make it one of those

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S3: great films. You need to have more in there.

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S1: Yeah. And also Yvonne Moss Bacharach, who we love from

448
00:19:16,100 --> 00:19:18,230
S1: The Bear, was also in this is kind of Jennifer

449
00:19:18,230 --> 00:19:21,920
S1: Lawrence ex-boyfriend, really good, funny actor and just a little

450
00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,179
S1: bit underdeveloped.

451
00:19:23,180 --> 00:19:23,630
S9: Yeah.

452
00:19:23,630 --> 00:19:25,700
S2: And I feel like it kind of maybe didn't know.

453
00:19:25,700 --> 00:19:27,350
S2: I know it's been called a sex comedy and we're

454
00:19:27,350 --> 00:19:29,300
S2: talking about it as a sex comedy. And I guess

455
00:19:29,300 --> 00:19:32,810
S2: it is by definition a sex comedy, but it also

456
00:19:32,810 --> 00:19:35,960
S2: had a level of kind of earnestness and heart that

457
00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,540
S2: I don't think some of those earlier Judd Apatow ones

458
00:19:38,540 --> 00:19:40,100
S2: did to such an extent.

459
00:19:49,540 --> 00:19:51,340
S1: So I want to talk about the sex comedy element. Right?

460
00:19:51,340 --> 00:19:54,639
S1: Because obviously, this this pitch of this film is Jennifer

461
00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,109
S1: Lawrence is 32 and she's trying to have sex with

462
00:19:57,109 --> 00:20:00,369
S1: his 19 year old. And there is like some comedy

463
00:20:00,369 --> 00:20:03,310
S1: in this, the literal sex elements of it, like as

464
00:20:03,310 --> 00:20:06,369
S1: she tries to seduce him. And there are a couple

465
00:20:06,369 --> 00:20:11,810
S1: of I guess. Sex scenes, but it didn't really feel

466
00:20:11,810 --> 00:20:14,389
S1: that like raunchy. Does that like, do you know what

467
00:20:14,390 --> 00:20:16,669
S1: I mean? Like, I feel like it was discussed as

468
00:20:16,670 --> 00:20:20,899
S1: being this really edgy, provocative, raunchy film. But when you

469
00:20:20,900 --> 00:20:24,230
S1: think about like American Pie, you think about Superbad, you

470
00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:26,570
S1: think about Knocked Up, you think about these movies ten,

471
00:20:26,570 --> 00:20:28,820
S1: 15 years ago that were really funny, that had heart

472
00:20:28,820 --> 00:20:32,480
S1: and were willing to actually, like, go into the the

473
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,330
S1: sex for the gags or for the heart or whatever.

474
00:20:35,330 --> 00:20:38,330
S1: This kind of weirdly felt like it pulled its punches.

475
00:20:38,510 --> 00:20:40,160
S3: Yeah, I think a lot of it might be to

476
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,640
S3: do with from the get go this film. I think

477
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,070
S3: people were curious and there was perhaps a little bit

478
00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:48,050
S3: of shock at the theme of it. Like, remember when

479
00:20:48,050 --> 00:20:50,420
S3: the Red Band trailer dropped? There was like, it blew

480
00:20:50,420 --> 00:20:52,280
S3: up straight away and people were like, Oh my God.

481
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,889
S3: And it was like a mixture of curiosity about the film.

482
00:20:54,890 --> 00:20:57,109
S3: And then people were, Oh, this is like, What are

483
00:20:57,109 --> 00:20:59,600
S3: you doing? This is so like, you know, in this

484
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,090
S3: era doesn't fit. And this older woman trying to have

485
00:21:02,090 --> 00:21:03,570
S3: sex with this young guy, it all just like was

486
00:21:03,590 --> 00:21:06,200
S3: there was like a bad taste element. I personally, like

487
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,540
S3: thought the way they handled that part of it actually

488
00:21:08,540 --> 00:21:11,659
S3: worked really well because they're aware that the whole I mean,

489
00:21:11,660 --> 00:21:14,030
S3: the whole concept of this film is a bit ridiculous,

490
00:21:14,030 --> 00:21:16,760
S3: that she would answer a a Craigslist ad, which does

491
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:17,990
S3: anyone even use Craigslist anymore?

492
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:18,560
S9: Well, apparently it.

493
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,170
S2: Was based apparently it was based on a true story.

494
00:21:21,170 --> 00:21:24,680
S2: The producers allegedly found a Craigslist ad and then they

495
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,480
S2: took it to Jenna. Yeah, it does sound a little

496
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:27,560
S2: too too good to be.

497
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:28,340
S9: True, but yeah, but even if they.

498
00:21:28,340 --> 00:21:29,840
S1: Did that, I think that story was from like ten

499
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,670
S1: years ago and it's still like you couldn't have updated

500
00:21:31,670 --> 00:21:34,070
S1: it now to like be like there is, there was

501
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:36,380
S1: a bit in this story where I'm like, okay, she's

502
00:21:36,380 --> 00:21:39,590
S1: willing to it's movie set in 2023. She's willing to

503
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:42,619
S1: like do sex work for money. There seems to be

504
00:21:42,619 --> 00:21:44,900
S1: an obvious like Onlyfans reference here. And then they did

505
00:21:44,900 --> 00:21:48,170
S1: make it like they did reference that. But it's like, okay,

506
00:21:48,170 --> 00:21:51,050
S1: so Onlyfans exists in this world. She's happy to do

507
00:21:51,050 --> 00:21:53,480
S1: sex work, but we're still going to do this Craigslist

508
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,700
S1: narrative that feels like it's from an entirely different era

509
00:21:55,700 --> 00:21:59,000
S1: of society and the internet. It didn't quite gel for.

510
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,649
S2: Me, though. I have to say. One of my favorite

511
00:22:00,650 --> 00:22:03,890
S2: scenes was when the partner of the pregnant friend was

512
00:22:03,890 --> 00:22:06,380
S2: saying to her like, You're going to have sex for

513
00:22:06,380 --> 00:22:08,449
S2: a car. And then they had this kind of moment

514
00:22:08,450 --> 00:22:10,280
S2: where they went off each other about all the worse

515
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,890
S2: reasons they've had sex for. And he kind of ended

516
00:22:12,890 --> 00:22:14,930
S2: it thinking like, Oh yeah, this makes perfect sense. Why

517
00:22:14,930 --> 00:22:16,100
S2: wouldn't you do it for a car?

518
00:22:16,100 --> 00:22:18,200
S3: Yeah. But I think I think the way it was

519
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,440
S3: handled was, was good. Like you have to suspend disbelief

520
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:22,820
S3: if you're going to go into it and want to

521
00:22:22,820 --> 00:22:25,070
S3: enjoy the film. So like, yeah, the premise may be

522
00:22:25,070 --> 00:22:27,379
S3: a bit shaky and whatever, but I was prepared to

523
00:22:27,380 --> 00:22:31,040
S3: accept that. I also think that the film plays into

524
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,770
S3: the ridiculousness of it. Like the joke is on Jennifer

525
00:22:33,770 --> 00:22:36,380
S3: Lawrence character. Like when we first see her and she's

526
00:22:36,380 --> 00:22:38,690
S3: been given the proposition by the parents and she goes

527
00:22:38,690 --> 00:22:41,030
S3: to meet Percy, he's working like the local animal shelter

528
00:22:41,030 --> 00:22:43,520
S3: and like the Jaws music plays. And she very much

529
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,639
S3: comes into like comes into frame. Is this like predator?

530
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,219
S3: And consistently throughout the film, they keep the joke on

531
00:22:49,220 --> 00:22:51,560
S3: her like she she thinks she looks sexy, but we

532
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,830
S3: see her as a bit creepy and predatory. So I

533
00:22:54,830 --> 00:22:57,080
S3: think the way that all of that was handled work,

534
00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,470
S3: to me it sounded ridiculous, but she looked ridiculous doing it.

535
00:23:00,740 --> 00:23:02,450
S2: Yeah. And to pick up on what you were saying

536
00:23:02,450 --> 00:23:04,880
S2: about when the trailer was released, it did cause some

537
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,600
S2: consternation because people thought it was predatory. 32 year old

538
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,660
S2: trying to kind of sexually awaken a 19 year old

539
00:23:11,900 --> 00:23:14,840
S2: kind of maybe on the surface, problematic concept. But I

540
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,510
S2: think they're kind of missing the point because the generational

541
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:19,909
S2: gap was so much a part of the humor. And

542
00:23:19,910 --> 00:23:24,050
S2: so my favorite moment was when that gap played out.

543
00:23:24,050 --> 00:23:26,000
S2: Like I loved the scene where they were at the

544
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,240
S2: restaurant and the friend from Harvard comes in and calls

545
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,020
S2: her mam, or when she goes to a house party

546
00:23:33,020 --> 00:23:35,270
S2: and someone is like, who brought their mum? And that's

547
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:37,970
S2: the difference. Because when the genders are reversed, the generational

548
00:23:37,970 --> 00:23:40,850
S2: gap isn't the heart of the comedy. But here it

549
00:23:40,850 --> 00:23:43,820
S2: was clearly, you know, the ridiculousness of it was played

550
00:23:43,820 --> 00:23:45,980
S2: up and I thought it worked quite well.

551
00:23:45,980 --> 00:23:47,990
S1: Yeah, I totally agree that that was some of the

552
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:49,690
S1: funny stuff for me in the movie. I think both

553
00:23:49,700 --> 00:23:52,130
S1: those things you just mentioned, the kind of gags between

554
00:23:52,130 --> 00:23:55,010
S1: her and her pregnant friend, just about like women and

555
00:23:55,010 --> 00:23:58,250
S1: the way that they respond to sex or the interactions

556
00:23:58,250 --> 00:24:01,220
S1: I've had really funny. And it's still unfortunately like too

557
00:24:01,220 --> 00:24:04,070
S1: rare to hear that in a comedy, like from a

558
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:07,100
S1: woman's perspective. But the generational stuff was so good, like

559
00:24:07,100 --> 00:24:10,310
S1: the gag being that these Gen Z kids just want

560
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:13,550
S1: to like jerk off to anime and play Fortnite and

561
00:24:13,550 --> 00:24:16,040
S1: then just like stream each other and call each other

562
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,429
S1: out for, for like bullying in a kitchen, in a

563
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:22,190
S1: house party was really, really, really funny. And like that

564
00:24:22,190 --> 00:24:26,090
S1: to me is like the standard of it. I found

565
00:24:26,090 --> 00:24:29,359
S1: like that blowback and that blowback to the concept hasn't

566
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,450
S1: gone away. Like at the premiere, I think just last week,

567
00:24:32,450 --> 00:24:36,740
S1: Hollywood Reporter asked the producers and stars like how they

568
00:24:36,740 --> 00:24:42,590
S1: felt about making this problematic storyline. I thought the crew

569
00:24:42,590 --> 00:24:45,890
S1: were very polite and respectful for what was a pretty

570
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,159
S1: dumb question, I think. I think there's a real issue

571
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,110
S1: we have I was just putting on is like the

572
00:24:51,109 --> 00:24:54,260
S1: kids don't understand how the world works hat like I.

573
00:24:54,260 --> 00:24:54,920
S9: Think that.

574
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:59,179
S1: People being unable to distinguish between a story that is

575
00:24:59,180 --> 00:25:02,030
S1: a little bit of an absurd concept like the point

576
00:25:02,030 --> 00:25:05,209
S1: of the movie isn't that massive age gaps and seduction

577
00:25:05,210 --> 00:25:07,340
S1: of teenagers is good. Like that is the opposite of the.

578
00:25:07,340 --> 00:25:09,440
S1: Point of the movie, like the parents who set this

579
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,160
S1: whole thing up are exposed as helicopter parent. It's like

580
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,790
S1: clearly a satire on interrogation on parents who control their

581
00:25:16,790 --> 00:25:19,370
S1: kids to this kind of extent. And you can make

582
00:25:19,369 --> 00:25:22,070
S1: that point by having a crazy setup. The idea that

583
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:26,600
S1: like any movie where characters start out making morally bad

584
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:31,010
S1: choices is therefore flawed and problematic. It just feels super

585
00:25:31,010 --> 00:25:33,560
S1: reductive and it's kind of annoying that so much space

586
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,090
S1: was wasted on that conversation.

587
00:25:35,090 --> 00:25:37,850
S2: Yeah, agree. And so much of this show is actually

588
00:25:37,850 --> 00:25:42,440
S2: about reflecting on gender and how it can be acted

589
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,470
S2: out differently. Like, yes, ostensibly they've flipped the gender role

590
00:25:45,470 --> 00:25:48,200
S2: so that the female is the predator and the young

591
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,740
S2: male is the kind of victim. But in the end,

592
00:25:51,740 --> 00:25:55,070
S2: you know what he's quite actually, I thought a respectful

593
00:25:55,070 --> 00:25:57,889
S2: Gen Z, like he's conscientious, he's kind to her. He

594
00:25:57,890 --> 00:26:01,760
S2: looks after her feelings and he actually teaches her about,

595
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,820
S2: you know, about how to be treated well in a relationship.

596
00:26:04,820 --> 00:26:07,820
S2: And they both get something out of each other. So, yeah,

597
00:26:07,820 --> 00:26:10,670
S2: I agree with you was the kind of broader discussion

598
00:26:10,670 --> 00:26:12,230
S2: doesn't seem relevant to this film.

599
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,450
S1: And people are saying like, oh, you know, but what

600
00:26:14,450 --> 00:26:16,490
S1: if the genders were reverse? It would be a different movie.

601
00:26:16,490 --> 00:26:18,109
S1: I'm like, It would be a different movie if genders

602
00:26:18,109 --> 00:26:21,500
S1: were reversed because society is very different. I think what

603
00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:23,510
S1: they were also trying to do with the movie and

604
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:25,310
S1: this is one of the bits that didn't totally land,

605
00:26:25,310 --> 00:26:27,980
S1: is like there is a class dynamic, right? Like it's

606
00:26:27,980 --> 00:26:30,410
S1: like they had the idea in the first draft and

607
00:26:30,410 --> 00:26:32,630
S1: they didn't really flesh it out with Jennifer Lawrence is

608
00:26:32,930 --> 00:26:36,139
S1: part of this like old crew of people who live

609
00:26:36,140 --> 00:26:38,600
S1: in this town. She has this property because her mum

610
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,420
S1: left it to her. She's getting gentrified out of it, right?

611
00:26:41,420 --> 00:26:44,300
S1: Property prices have gone up because people like the parents

612
00:26:44,300 --> 00:26:46,609
S1: of this kid are moving in. So there's this element

613
00:26:46,609 --> 00:26:50,840
S1: of there's a gender reversal. Yes, she's older, but also

614
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,080
S1: she's in a more economically precarious situation than that family.

615
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,840
S1: So there's a lot of like complexity to the dynamics there,

616
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,869
S1: which I think makes this a story worth telling. But

617
00:26:59,869 --> 00:27:02,960
S1: maybe that stuff was not really fleshed out and that's

618
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,240
S1: why people still feel a bit mixed to it, though

619
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,160
S1: I think most people who watch this movie, I think

620
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,409
S1: it's hard to watch this movie and come out thinking

621
00:27:09,410 --> 00:27:11,540
S1: that it was problematic, right? That's my guess. I think

622
00:27:11,540 --> 00:27:13,939
S1: most of that criticism is from people who saw the trailer.

623
00:27:13,940 --> 00:27:15,710
S1: Thomas and then haven't seen the film.

624
00:27:15,710 --> 00:27:17,570
S3: Yeah, agree. And obviously we all know that the best

625
00:27:17,570 --> 00:27:19,639
S3: way to kind of like dole out your criticism is

626
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,070
S3: to say a snippet of something and then make your

627
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:25,070
S3: mind up and just tell everybody on the internet. Yeah,

628
00:27:25,070 --> 00:27:27,619
S3: I completely agree. I think the way the movie executes

629
00:27:27,619 --> 00:27:30,770
S3: all of its kind of conversation around that is so funny.

630
00:27:30,770 --> 00:27:32,840
S3: And the problem isn't a problem really at all in

631
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,600
S3: the end. But yeah, it is strange to look at

632
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,970
S3: it and I feel like the jokes that they make

633
00:27:38,180 --> 00:27:40,250
S3: in the House party where Jennifer Lawrence is kind of

634
00:27:40,250 --> 00:27:42,560
S3: going around and looking at these and we've talked about

635
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,570
S3: this generation. They they don't have as much sex. They

636
00:27:44,570 --> 00:27:47,420
S3: don't do drugs. They're very conscientious. They love to learn.

637
00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:52,970
S3: You know, that almost feels like a kind of good

638
00:27:52,970 --> 00:27:56,120
S3: reflection on, I guess, the state of these sex comedies

639
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,369
S3: like this is possibly the reason they've gone away is

640
00:27:58,369 --> 00:28:01,580
S3: because the audience, like all of us, pigs, when we

641
00:28:01,580 --> 00:28:03,980
S3: were growing up, we loved this stuff and then now

642
00:28:03,980 --> 00:28:06,859
S3: this new generation, that's not what they're after. That's not

643
00:28:06,859 --> 00:28:09,080
S3: the type of content they want to consume. Like the

644
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,570
S3: next generation has, has notably dulled.

645
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,150
S1: That's a really good point and it's a good way,

646
00:28:14,150 --> 00:28:17,030
S1: I think, to pivot to this conversation about why there

647
00:28:17,030 --> 00:28:19,100
S1: seems to be fewer of these movies or why they

648
00:28:19,100 --> 00:28:22,340
S1: seem to be different. Like, you know, it probably is

649
00:28:22,340 --> 00:28:24,709
S1: probably a bad reflection in our generation and society at

650
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:27,620
S1: large that one of the biggest movies of our kind

651
00:28:27,619 --> 00:28:30,080
S1: of youth is Superbad, where the premise is like two

652
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,180
S1: teenage boys who try to get girls at a house

653
00:28:32,180 --> 00:28:35,389
S1: party drunk so they can have sex with them. And

654
00:28:35,390 --> 00:28:37,850
S1: you probably couldn't get away with that story now for

655
00:28:37,850 --> 00:28:42,080
S1: very good reasons. But it did reflect the era of

656
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,230
S1: coming of age in the 2000, right? Like that's how

657
00:28:45,500 --> 00:28:49,040
S1: kids interacted. That's what gender dynamics were like. Maybe not

658
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,290
S1: to the extent that it is showed in that film,

659
00:28:51,290 --> 00:28:54,170
S1: but people were going out, they were drinking. They were

660
00:28:54,170 --> 00:28:57,170
S1: trying to hook up before college. That was certainly like

661
00:28:57,170 --> 00:29:01,220
S1: the pop culture representation of of youth. And now it

662
00:29:01,220 --> 00:29:05,360
S1: feels like that's not that at all. And so if

663
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,000
S1: you just have like a comedy about Gen Z's, you

664
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,220
S1: end up with something where they're I know I sound

665
00:29:10,220 --> 00:29:12,080
S1: so old saying like they're just on their phones and

666
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,630
S1: watching anime, but like they are like they literally are.

667
00:29:14,660 --> 00:29:17,420
S1: The surveys show that they are doing less drugs, they're

668
00:29:17,420 --> 00:29:20,180
S1: drinking less, they're having less sexual relationships and they're spending

669
00:29:20,180 --> 00:29:21,950
S1: a lot of time on their phones. And that's not

670
00:29:21,950 --> 00:29:25,970
S1: necessarily ripe fodder for comedy. Do you reckon that's a

671
00:29:25,970 --> 00:29:28,310
S1: part of it? Like it's just the generation is different

672
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:30,770
S1: and they don't they don't want what we wanted from comedies.

673
00:29:31,250 --> 00:29:34,730
S2: I think maybe partially to some extent, But I also

674
00:29:34,730 --> 00:29:37,010
S2: think and we were talking about whether the sex comedy

675
00:29:37,010 --> 00:29:39,080
S2: is back, but what I think we're seeing is not

676
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,080
S2: kind of a pure copy of the Apatow era, but

677
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,070
S2: you're seeing shows that are playing with that genre and

678
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:49,550
S2: revisiting it and then putting women at the center of them.

679
00:29:49,550 --> 00:29:52,070
S2: Like when I think about Olivia Wilde's Booksmart, which was

680
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:54,980
S2: a very clever response to Superbad, and it was super

681
00:29:54,980 --> 00:29:58,070
S2: bad for a different generation, and I'd put no hard

682
00:29:58,070 --> 00:30:00,680
S2: feelings in the same category and maybe even a bit earlier.

683
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:05,210
S2: But like Trainwreck and Bridesmaids, you are seeing those stories still.

684
00:30:05,210 --> 00:30:07,700
S2: We're just seeing them from a different perspective. Now and

685
00:30:07,700 --> 00:30:10,340
S2: we're seeing them be way more self reflective than they

686
00:30:10,340 --> 00:30:12,350
S2: ever were and more self aware like they seem to

687
00:30:12,350 --> 00:30:14,840
S2: know the genre they're dealing with and they're kind of

688
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,580
S2: teasing that out. And we're all in on the joke.

689
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,400
S1: Yeah, I think Booksmart is a good shot. I mean,

690
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,090
S1: I think interestingly that came out in 2019, which is

691
00:30:23,090 --> 00:30:24,979
S1: not on one hand not that long ago. But I

692
00:30:24,980 --> 00:30:27,920
S1: do think that even in the last four years there's

693
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,590
S1: been a few other factors that I think have probably

694
00:30:30,590 --> 00:30:34,070
S1: made it really unlikely for a movie like Booksmart to

695
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,310
S1: get made and get the kind of reaction that it did.

696
00:30:37,310 --> 00:30:39,710
S1: I mean, firstly, the reaction people like us love Booksmart

697
00:30:39,710 --> 00:30:42,520
S1: That movie did 25 million, the Global box office. Like

698
00:30:42,530 --> 00:30:45,380
S1: that's not an enormous amount of money. This movie, No

699
00:30:45,380 --> 00:30:49,580
S1: Hard Feelings is on track to do 15 million us domestically.

700
00:30:49,580 --> 00:30:52,370
S1: That's like pretty good for a movie like this these

701
00:30:52,370 --> 00:30:56,510
S1: days So it it is probably on track and will

702
00:30:56,510 --> 00:30:58,910
S1: be bigger than Booksmart. So I guess there's two different

703
00:30:58,910 --> 00:31:01,100
S1: parts of this. One is are these things being made

704
00:31:01,100 --> 00:31:02,900
S1: and two, are people watching them. So in the first part,

705
00:31:02,900 --> 00:31:05,690
S1: are they being made? Why? I think the last few

706
00:31:05,690 --> 00:31:09,350
S1: years have changed things is because it feels like the

707
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:13,640
S1: explosion in streaming means that things that might have been

708
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,980
S1: a 30, $40 million comedy, like forgetting Sarah Marshall, like

709
00:31:18,980 --> 00:31:23,390
S1: the 40 year old version, become a TV series instead.

710
00:31:23,390 --> 00:31:25,459
S1: I think like never have I ever on Netflix, the

711
00:31:25,460 --> 00:31:27,650
S1: Mindy Kaling show. Like those things probably would have been

712
00:31:27,650 --> 00:31:30,979
S1: movies 5 or 10 years ago, and now they're TV shows.

713
00:31:30,980 --> 00:31:33,830
S1: And so once they end up on a streaming platform,

714
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:36,950
S1: the audience they can reach is limited because there's so

715
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:39,950
S1: much fragmentation. So it's kind of a lot of it

716
00:31:39,950 --> 00:31:42,950
S1: seems to be about how we consume content as much

717
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:46,820
S1: as what kinds of stories we're looking for, if that

718
00:31:46,820 --> 00:31:47,570
S1: makes sense.

719
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,180
S3: It seems obvious to me that streaming is the difference here.

720
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,730
S3: If you're a young if you're a young comedian coming

721
00:31:52,730 --> 00:31:55,880
S3: up now as well, you're not looking at movie stars

722
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,820
S3: as your inspiration. Like you're not being like, oh, what's

723
00:31:58,820 --> 00:32:01,220
S3: you know, what's Sandler and what's the new Mike Myers film? Because, like,

724
00:32:01,250 --> 00:32:03,530
S3: that's not how the industry works. Now that you like

725
00:32:03,530 --> 00:32:05,570
S3: all the best comedians and all the best comedy writers

726
00:32:05,570 --> 00:32:08,840
S3: are in TV and they're either like trying to get

727
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,960
S3: a Netflix special or working on, you know, like a

728
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,360
S3: Hulu series or something. So that has very much changed

729
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,790
S3: the game. And I think it's interesting that no hard

730
00:32:16,790 --> 00:32:20,240
S3: feelings slots into this landscape then because like, I mean,

731
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,080
S3: essentially Jennifer Lawrence is an absolute movie star. So she's

732
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,290
S3: she's probably the person or what it takes these days

733
00:32:27,290 --> 00:32:29,600
S3: to get one of these comedies back on, you know,

734
00:32:29,660 --> 00:32:32,090
S3: like multiplexes around the country is you need a movie

735
00:32:32,090 --> 00:32:34,460
S3: star who's willing to do one. And it was probably

736
00:32:34,460 --> 00:32:36,680
S3: perfect timing for her because, you know, she took a

737
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,200
S3: bit of time out and and needed a reentry. So

738
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,510
S3: I think it is obviously much harder to get them made.

739
00:32:41,510 --> 00:32:43,670
S3: The talent's not looking in that space and you kind

740
00:32:43,670 --> 00:32:45,860
S3: of need all these things to align. So I don't

741
00:32:45,860 --> 00:32:48,350
S3: know if necessarily this is a renaissance that we're seeing

742
00:32:48,350 --> 00:32:50,240
S3: or if it's more of an aberration.

743
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,750
S2: I feel that Covid hit the cinemas really hard and

744
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:56,360
S2: hastened the struggles at the box office that they were

745
00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:00,770
S2: already experiencing. And so potentially maybe the big studios, it

746
00:33:00,770 --> 00:33:04,700
S2: was only those huge superhero films or huge franchises like

747
00:33:04,700 --> 00:33:08,930
S2: Fast and Furious, Mission Impossible, Indiana Jones, that they invested

748
00:33:08,930 --> 00:33:11,270
S2: in for a cinema release because they were sure safe

749
00:33:11,270 --> 00:33:14,330
S2: bets at a time when cinemas and film companies were

750
00:33:14,330 --> 00:33:18,440
S2: struggling to get money after kind of during and after Covid. Like,

751
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,209
S2: I wonder if that has played into it in a

752
00:33:20,210 --> 00:33:21,200
S2: big way as well.

753
00:33:21,380 --> 00:33:23,200
S1: That's a really good point as well. It's like, yeah,

754
00:33:23,210 --> 00:33:27,410
S1: with movie theaters in financial precarity, it's like, what are

755
00:33:27,410 --> 00:33:30,980
S1: the tentpoles that will bring people in? So really funny,

756
00:33:30,980 --> 00:33:34,970
S1: sexy rom coms like Palm Springs, right? Like doesn't get

757
00:33:34,970 --> 00:33:37,610
S1: a cinema release that gets a streaming release and barely

758
00:33:37,610 --> 00:33:40,880
S1: anyone sees it. And so you end up with this divergence.

759
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,440
S1: I guess the question I've got for you guys also

760
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,680
S1: is like like I get sad about this because as

761
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,540
S1: we said at the start, I like going to movies

762
00:33:47,540 --> 00:33:49,910
S1: with heaps of people and watching funny things like this.

763
00:33:49,910 --> 00:33:52,550
S1: Like it's great that there are good shows and good

764
00:33:52,550 --> 00:33:56,750
S1: comedies on streaming platforms, but I enjoy the communal experience.

765
00:33:56,750 --> 00:33:59,420
S1: But does that matter like a WI, or am I

766
00:33:59,420 --> 00:34:02,790
S1: part of like a boring generation of losers who are

767
00:34:02,810 --> 00:34:05,150
S1: fretting over things that no one else cares about? Does

768
00:34:05,150 --> 00:34:07,160
S1: it matter if we don't get more movies like this

769
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,620
S1: or a movie like Eazy-E? That was so good and

770
00:34:09,620 --> 00:34:11,299
S1: so fun and so great to watch in a theater.

771
00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:14,000
S1: Does it matter if that doesn't happen more in the future?

772
00:34:14,270 --> 00:34:15,830
S3: Well, I think I mean, Mel still gets a lot

773
00:34:15,830 --> 00:34:17,780
S3: of time going like the Spanish Film Festival.

774
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,319
S1: And I've got to say, the trailer for that played

775
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,890
S1: at Palace that looked great. That was looking very exciting along.

776
00:34:25,580 --> 00:34:30,080
S3: Well, I look forward to your long and tedious review. Yeah, no,

777
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,630
S3: I think it does matter. And I have some like

778
00:34:32,630 --> 00:34:34,250
S3: we're talking about this before we came on air like

779
00:34:34,250 --> 00:34:37,310
S3: I have such fond memories of like watching the bridesmaids

780
00:34:37,310 --> 00:34:40,779
S3: scene where they all get sick in the cinema. Like.

781
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,350
S2: That would be your favorite scene.

782
00:34:42,350 --> 00:34:44,930
S3: Yeah, but like, I can remember the response. And it's

783
00:34:44,930 --> 00:34:47,270
S3: so different to when you, you know, like, everyone, like

784
00:34:47,690 --> 00:34:49,940
S3: is shocked at something in a big Marvel film or whatever,

785
00:34:49,940 --> 00:34:52,850
S3: like the collective power of 200 people laughing at the

786
00:34:52,850 --> 00:34:56,319
S3: same joke is like a really heartwarming experience. And so, yeah,

787
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,700
S3: I just I do really miss that. And I do

788
00:34:58,700 --> 00:35:01,640
S3: think it's important that these types of like, stories or

789
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,489
S3: comedies still, even though like being on TV or only

790
00:35:04,489 --> 00:35:07,750
S3: going to streaming, isn't like, you know, less than. I

791
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:10,629
S3: think it's important for like film culture that they get

792
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:12,160
S3: up on the big screen and it's part of the

793
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,190
S3: conversation because, you know, it's important. Yeah.

794
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:19,120
S2: And I mean, I wonder also from a filmmakers perspective,

795
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,240
S2: how does shooting for a big screen change compared to

796
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,580
S2: shooting for something you know, that they're going to watch

797
00:35:24,580 --> 00:35:27,700
S2: at home in the lounge room, like in terms of cinematography,

798
00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:30,370
S2: but also in terms of pacing and timing of films.

799
00:35:30,370 --> 00:35:33,160
S2: Like I'd be interested to kind of unpick how it's

800
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,850
S2: changing the films themselves, the fact that they're going straight

801
00:35:36,850 --> 00:35:37,660
S2: to streaming.

802
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:40,090
S1: It's another really good question, Mel. I mean, this movie

803
00:35:40,090 --> 00:35:43,000
S1: had quite a big budget, like $45 million. Part of

804
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,790
S1: me wondered like what that was spent on. One thing

805
00:35:45,790 --> 00:35:47,830
S1: that did stand out to me and it made me

806
00:35:47,830 --> 00:35:51,130
S1: think like, why it is good to have a movie

807
00:35:51,130 --> 00:35:54,130
S1: with the budget. Like this is the setting. Like Montauk

808
00:35:54,130 --> 00:35:56,530
S1: is not a town I'd heard really anything about, but

809
00:35:56,530 --> 00:35:59,050
S1: it's quite pretty. And there, you know, it's not cheap

810
00:35:59,050 --> 00:36:02,200
S1: to shoot, probably with like helicopters and overhead cranes and

811
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,390
S1: like shut down the town or shut down the beach.

812
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:06,790
S1: And that really gives it a sense of place. That's

813
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:09,850
S1: why I use that forgetting Sarah Marshall comparison, because I

814
00:36:09,850 --> 00:36:12,250
S1: think that movie really worked because you fell in love

815
00:36:12,250 --> 00:36:15,010
S1: with Hawaii and it was like going to Hawaii and

816
00:36:15,010 --> 00:36:17,500
S1: hanging out with a bunch of very funny people. This movie,

817
00:36:17,500 --> 00:36:19,450
S1: not quite at that level, but it did feel like

818
00:36:19,450 --> 00:36:21,130
S1: I was in this town and that was a fun

819
00:36:21,130 --> 00:36:22,720
S1: place to be and I was getting a sense of it.

820
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,270
S1: I think with streaming, that's the first thing to go.

821
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:29,890
S1: Like you lose those nice, stylish exterior locations and everything

822
00:36:29,890 --> 00:36:32,700
S1: just feels like a generic Midwestern town.

823
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:34,600
S3: Yeah, I think that's probably that's probably bang on. And

824
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,030
S3: I mean, I am familiar with Montauk from the affair

825
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:40,030
S3: if you guys haven't watched that. Oh, so it was

826
00:36:40,030 --> 00:36:42,520
S3: nice not to go back there, but yeah, that was

827
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,130
S3: like an important part. And I also do think that

828
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:48,640
S3: there are certain big in all these sex comedy films

829
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,710
S3: and the ones we've touched on, like they kind of

830
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:53,830
S3: hinge on their set pieces. There's always like a few

831
00:36:53,830 --> 00:36:56,650
S3: set pieces that are crucial to the sex comedy genre,

832
00:36:56,650 --> 00:36:59,350
S3: and there is one big one in this, and watching

833
00:36:59,350 --> 00:37:01,390
S3: something like that on the big screen again, like it

834
00:37:01,390 --> 00:37:03,160
S3: works so much better. Like if you think about the

835
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,440
S3: scene in the 40 year Old Virgin where he gets waxed,

836
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,950
S3: you know, like watching that on a massive screen and

837
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:11,080
S3: the response that you get with people in the audience

838
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,300
S3: is so much stronger than what you would watch at home.

839
00:37:13,300 --> 00:37:15,700
S3: And I think particularly in reference to the set piece

840
00:37:15,700 --> 00:37:18,430
S3: in this film, like, again, it was only me and

841
00:37:18,430 --> 00:37:20,260
S3: this one other guy in the cinema, but we both

842
00:37:20,260 --> 00:37:21,460
S3: seem to really enjoy it.

843
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,969
S2: And I wonder if kind of what we're going to

844
00:37:24,969 --> 00:37:29,140
S2: increasingly see is film production companies and cinemas get really

845
00:37:29,140 --> 00:37:32,470
S2: clever about how they're marketing these films to get people

846
00:37:32,469 --> 00:37:35,680
S2: into the cinema. And I'm thinking of Barbie, which is

847
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,750
S2: all anyone's talking about at the moment, and the marketing

848
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:41,080
S2: has just been so well done and so many people

849
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,020
S2: who I think haven't been to the cinema for for years,

850
00:37:44,020 --> 00:37:46,330
S2: I think will go and see this film because they've

851
00:37:46,330 --> 00:37:48,219
S2: made Barbie this kind of talking point. And if you

852
00:37:48,219 --> 00:37:49,870
S2: want to be part of the conversation, you need to

853
00:37:49,870 --> 00:37:52,149
S2: go and see it. And I'll be interesting to see

854
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:55,720
S2: how the kind of public relations and marketing responds to

855
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,210
S2: how Barbie has pulled it off and follows that in

856
00:37:58,210 --> 00:38:00,040
S2: the future. And I even think of like Sydney Sweeney

857
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,529
S2: and Glen Powell, who have a rom com coming out

858
00:38:02,530 --> 00:38:05,920
S2: later this year in cinemas. There's been so much hype

859
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,440
S2: around that film as well, just because of their.

860
00:38:08,650 --> 00:38:09,160
S1: Manly from.

861
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:10,440
S9: Thomas Yeah.

862
00:38:10,540 --> 00:38:11,680
S2: Yeah mingle Sydney.

863
00:38:12,489 --> 00:38:13,180
S9: Yeah I mean.

864
00:38:13,180 --> 00:38:15,609
S3: Like she's she's not dating Glen Powell so.

865
00:38:15,610 --> 00:38:15,940
S9: Yeah.

866
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,270
S2: You know to her you're the guy behind you in

867
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:19,750
S2: the cinema.

868
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:20,170
S9: Right?

869
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:22,840
S3: I'm always just slightly behind and to the right.

870
00:38:22,989 --> 00:38:23,500
S9: Yeah.

871
00:38:23,500 --> 00:38:25,000
S1: I'm glad you brought that one up, Mel, because that's

872
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,980
S1: probably the one I'm looking forward to the most in

873
00:38:26,980 --> 00:38:29,650
S1: terms of both generally watching, like, I love the idea

874
00:38:29,650 --> 00:38:31,810
S1: of this being set in Sydney, like this is about

875
00:38:31,810 --> 00:38:34,420
S1: the logline for this is two arch enemies played by

876
00:38:34,420 --> 00:38:37,600
S1: Sydney Swinton, Glen Powell reunite at a destination wedding in

877
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,669
S1: Sydney and a force to be a couple, for better

878
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:42,190
S1: or worse. Like that is great. Hook it to my

879
00:38:42,190 --> 00:38:45,550
S1: veins like that feels fun. It'll be Sydney in the summertime.

880
00:38:45,550 --> 00:38:48,669
S1: It'll look great. Sydney Sweeney and Glen Powell are great actors.

881
00:38:48,670 --> 00:38:51,759
S1: They seem to have chemistry from what we've seen, arch

882
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,650
S1: enemies getting together at a wedding and having to be

883
00:38:53,650 --> 00:38:55,540
S1: a couple, and they probably actually fall in love. Like,

884
00:38:55,540 --> 00:38:58,420
S1: come on. And this is exactly December 15th. Is this

885
00:38:58,420 --> 00:39:01,719
S1: release laid up to Christmas, Summer and Sydney going to

886
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,000
S1: watch this movie with your friends, with your partner, with

887
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,040
S1: your family? How good.

888
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,200
S2: Or on your own if you're Thomas Mitchell.

889
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:09,040
S9: For a.

890
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:09,700
S2: True solo.

891
00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:10,420
S9: Sesh. Yeah.

892
00:39:11,380 --> 00:39:14,350
S1: Before we wrap up the chat about no hard feelings,

893
00:39:14,350 --> 00:39:16,779
S1: I want to ask you guys where you think Jennifer

894
00:39:16,780 --> 00:39:20,379
S1: Lawrence goes from here. As we said at the start

895
00:39:20,380 --> 00:39:22,720
S1: of the chat, she hasn't really done much of this stuff,

896
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,120
S1: even though it feels like she has because of a

897
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,360
S1: kind of persona in real life. Do you want her

898
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,790
S1: to pursue this sort of genre more? Do you want

899
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:35,230
S1: it to do more? Grim Mother, Red Sparrow sort of stuff?

900
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,650
S2: No, I reckon she can be very happy being a

901
00:39:38,650 --> 00:39:43,330
S2: nice new Sandra Bullock. Very kind of average, but well

902
00:39:43,330 --> 00:39:47,800
S2: loved by everyone in funny films, kind of Amy Schumer

903
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,350
S2: style of actor. And I think, Thomas, what you were

904
00:39:50,350 --> 00:39:53,560
S2: saying earlier, maybe we'll be right. Hopefully she'll produce more

905
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,510
S2: of her own roles so she'll get to kind of

906
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:58,390
S2: play to her strengths. But I hope and I think

907
00:39:58,390 --> 00:40:00,969
S2: we probably will see her doing more of these films.

908
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,489
S3: Yeah, I think so. I mean, because she's kind of

909
00:40:03,489 --> 00:40:05,590
S3: got like open slather now. She's been a part of

910
00:40:05,590 --> 00:40:08,460
S3: it like. Two enormous franchises, especially The Hunger Games, where

911
00:40:08,460 --> 00:40:10,770
S3: she was the star. She's got an Oscar. So that's

912
00:40:10,770 --> 00:40:13,740
S3: boxes ticked. She's done all the serious stuff. She's worked

913
00:40:13,739 --> 00:40:17,730
S3: with big name directors. Yeah, she's kind of like, this

914
00:40:17,730 --> 00:40:19,680
S3: is the time for her to really figure herself out.

915
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,900
S3: I was trying to look on IMDb before this and

916
00:40:22,020 --> 00:40:24,570
S3: she doesn't really have much stuff in post-production. There's not

917
00:40:24,570 --> 00:40:27,570
S3: much more that seems to be on the horizon for her.

918
00:40:27,570 --> 00:40:29,130
S3: And I know that even reading an interview with her,

919
00:40:29,130 --> 00:40:31,680
S3: she wasn't that keen to get back to work. And

920
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,210
S3: then she read this script and called it the funniest

921
00:40:33,210 --> 00:40:35,400
S3: script she's ever read. So it seemed to be whether

922
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:36,960
S3: or not that's just a PR answer, but it seemed

923
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,180
S3: to be that the quality of this work brought her

924
00:40:39,180 --> 00:40:41,759
S3: back in from what was otherwise quite a content period

925
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,280
S3: of not working. Yeah, so it'd be really curious to

926
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,700
S3: see what she does do next. I reckon she's, she's

927
00:40:47,700 --> 00:40:50,130
S3: got great comedic timing. Like her delivery was the strongest

928
00:40:50,130 --> 00:40:52,410
S3: part of the film for me and her interplay with

929
00:40:52,410 --> 00:40:55,710
S3: the guy who played Percy. So yeah, imagine her. Like

930
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,470
S3: if we do get this kind of possible renaissance of

931
00:40:58,469 --> 00:41:01,930
S3: the Apatow era of sex comedies or just even like

932
00:41:01,950 --> 00:41:04,350
S3: broader comedies, I would love to see like Jennifer Lawrence

933
00:41:04,350 --> 00:41:04,950
S3: leading that.

934
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,440
S1: Yeah, I agree. I think I think the Sandra Bullock

935
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:08,910
S1: comp is a really good one. I think also all

936
00:41:08,910 --> 00:41:10,890
S1: the kind of stuff that Melissa McCarthy does, I could

937
00:41:10,890 --> 00:41:13,290
S1: see Jennifer Lawrence playing that even if she like wanted

938
00:41:13,290 --> 00:41:15,630
S1: to get a bit action but still be fun. That

939
00:41:15,630 --> 00:41:16,410
S1: would be great.

940
00:41:17,219 --> 00:41:19,919
S3: Yeah. If they if they inevitably reboot Miss Congeniality, which

941
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,380
S3: surely must be like in some writers room in Hollywood,

942
00:41:22,380 --> 00:41:24,800
S3: they're like, What? How long has it been then? You know,

943
00:41:24,810 --> 00:41:25,649
S3: she could easily do that.

944
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,509
S2: Can I ask how you guys and you can cut

945
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:29,910
S2: the cut this if need be. But Sandra Bullock I

946
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:33,060
S2: reckon I could spend a whole episode unpacking the love

947
00:41:33,060 --> 00:41:37,050
S2: for Sandra Bullock versus what I think she kind of deserves.

948
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,980
S9: You think? Sandra Bullock Wow. Controversial take. No. Okay.

949
00:41:41,219 --> 00:41:42,480
S1: I don't know if we've got time to get into this,

950
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,750
S1: but I mean, I love Sandra Bullock. Speed, Miss Congeniality,

951
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:47,250
S1: the great stuff, blindside.

952
00:41:47,250 --> 00:41:50,050
S2: I don't hate Sandra Bullock, but I feel like people

953
00:41:50,070 --> 00:41:53,700
S2: always like she's the best thing that's ever happened to acting.

954
00:41:53,700 --> 00:41:55,590
S2: I feel like people don't just like her. They are

955
00:41:55,590 --> 00:41:57,420
S2: obsessed with Sandra Bullock. Do you know.

956
00:41:57,420 --> 00:41:59,100
S1: What that is? That that is part of. And I

957
00:41:59,100 --> 00:42:01,590
S1: feel like we should probably have this conversation on a

958
00:42:01,590 --> 00:42:05,850
S1: pod soon. Is movie stars from that era, right? From

959
00:42:05,850 --> 00:42:10,259
S1: the late 80s, early 90s, where the monoculture like ruled

960
00:42:10,260 --> 00:42:13,860
S1: all like there was way fewer things being made. And

961
00:42:13,860 --> 00:42:15,810
S1: if you wanted to see a movie, it was in

962
00:42:15,810 --> 00:42:17,730
S1: the theaters and there was only so many being released

963
00:42:17,730 --> 00:42:20,160
S1: over summer. And if you were part of that, like

964
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,290
S1: if you were Tom Cruise or you were Sandra Bullock,

965
00:42:22,290 --> 00:42:24,930
S1: then an entire generation of like billions of people grew

966
00:42:24,930 --> 00:42:28,169
S1: up thinking that you were the coolest thing in the world.

967
00:42:28,170 --> 00:42:30,420
S1: And I feel like she rode that wave. She was

968
00:42:30,420 --> 00:42:34,290
S1: pretty good. She picked the right movies and she just

969
00:42:34,290 --> 00:42:37,169
S1: kind of managed to benefit from that era of how

970
00:42:37,170 --> 00:42:40,710
S1: culture was consumed. That's my quick take, Mel.

971
00:42:41,219 --> 00:42:41,799
S2: Love it.

972
00:42:43,380 --> 00:42:47,669
S1: Before we wrap up today's episode, we've been doing these

973
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:52,379
S1: Idol check ins every week. Episode four came out this week.

974
00:42:52,380 --> 00:42:53,910
S1: Neither of you guys have seen it. I want to

975
00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:56,549
S1: ask you if that means you guys have lost lost

976
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:58,259
S1: the buzz for the idol.

977
00:42:59,060 --> 00:43:02,630
S3: A little bit like I definitely will watch it. I

978
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:05,569
S3: just think I've kind of my curiosity has dropped off.

979
00:43:05,570 --> 00:43:07,880
S3: And now that I know that, it's like ending really soon,

980
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,190
S3: I think I'll probably just watch maybe the last two

981
00:43:10,190 --> 00:43:13,489
S3: back to back, like really torture myself. As you know,

982
00:43:13,489 --> 00:43:14,840
S3: Tedros would enjoy.

983
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:20,180
S2: Yeah, I feel like I've definitely tapped out of it.

984
00:43:20,180 --> 00:43:23,180
S2: As you know, I don't care if I read spoilers today,

985
00:43:23,180 --> 00:43:26,330
S2: I don't feel very invested in it. I will watch

986
00:43:26,330 --> 00:43:27,650
S2: it at some point, but it's not the kind of

987
00:43:27,650 --> 00:43:29,750
S2: show that I feel I need to watch the moment

988
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:31,910
S2: it comes out, mainly because I kind of feel like

989
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:33,799
S2: I know what I'm going to get, even if I

990
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,270
S2: don't really know how they're going to tie it all up.

991
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:37,940
S2: I feel like I know what each episode is going

992
00:43:37,940 --> 00:43:40,430
S2: to contain in, in a way. Was there anything.

993
00:43:40,430 --> 00:43:42,049
S3: Good in this? In episode four, I've seen kind of

994
00:43:42,050 --> 00:43:43,129
S3: mixed response. Yeah.

995
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:44,090
S9: It was an interesting.

996
00:43:44,090 --> 00:43:45,980
S1: Episode in that like I think we knocked the last

997
00:43:45,980 --> 00:43:49,400
S1: episode for having basically no plot or development or story

998
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,620
S1: moving forward at all. This is the opposite. So much

999
00:43:51,620 --> 00:43:53,660
S1: stuff happens and it's so obvious to me. The show

1000
00:43:53,660 --> 00:43:56,390
S1: was hastily re-edited right just before it went to air

1001
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:58,790
S1: to pack in a whole bunch of stuff in and

1002
00:43:58,790 --> 00:44:01,250
S1: some of the development and some of the character stuff

1003
00:44:01,250 --> 00:44:04,700
S1: is interesting, but it's super rushed. The timeline of the

1004
00:44:04,700 --> 00:44:07,640
S1: show makes no sense. Like clearly there is one story

1005
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,529
S1: that is moving at weeks and one story that is

1006
00:44:09,530 --> 00:44:12,050
S1: moving like in a day, but they've just edited it

1007
00:44:12,050 --> 00:44:15,230
S1: together and it just is not working. The best thing

1008
00:44:15,230 --> 00:44:17,390
S1: about it. Thomas You mentioned this before the soundtrack. The

1009
00:44:17,390 --> 00:44:20,419
S1: weekend opens and closes its episode with a cover of

1010
00:44:20,420 --> 00:44:21,859
S1: John Lennon's Jealous Guy.

1011
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:36,290
UU: Oh, I. Me to let you. Love that I made

1012
00:44:36,290 --> 00:44:38,580
UU: you cry. I.

1013
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:43,210
S1: Which is a really, really, really good track. Sampled on

1014
00:44:43,210 --> 00:44:46,300
S1: Pusha T and Kanye's Dreamin of the Past came out

1015
00:44:46,300 --> 00:44:48,610
S1: a couple of years ago. Really, really good cover of

1016
00:44:48,610 --> 00:44:52,210
S1: that song. But as like everything in the show, you

1017
00:44:52,210 --> 00:44:53,920
S1: hear that song and you're like, Oh, I wonder if

1018
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,600
S1: this is going to be an episode where Tedros gets

1019
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,839
S1: a bit jealous. And obviously that is what the episode

1020
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,270
S1: is about and there is not much more to it.

1021
00:45:01,270 --> 00:45:04,299
S1: The other thing is, I mean, it's a spoiler. Mel,

1022
00:45:04,300 --> 00:45:06,850
S1: you said you're happy to be spoiled. There's an extended

1023
00:45:06,850 --> 00:45:11,530
S1: scene where Troye Sivan gets like electrocuted by Tedros, which

1024
00:45:11,530 --> 00:45:15,250
S1: is both kind of like shocking and just really funny

1025
00:45:15,250 --> 00:45:17,980
S1: to watch because it's Troye Sivan and he's like, What?

1026
00:45:17,980 --> 00:45:19,570
S9: What have these people created?

1027
00:45:19,570 --> 00:45:23,620
S1: How does this exist overall? I think I'm I'm increasingly

1028
00:45:23,620 --> 00:45:29,020
S1: angry at this show because of how much money HBO

1029
00:45:29,020 --> 00:45:33,879
S1: is spending to make absolute shit scripts look good with

1030
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,690
S1: great lighting and great camerawork and great sets. And you

1031
00:45:37,690 --> 00:45:40,690
S1: just think like, I don't often say this, but I

1032
00:45:40,690 --> 00:45:43,960
S1: will say this this time give me that budget and

1033
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,410
S1: I could make you five better shows, about five random

1034
00:45:47,410 --> 00:45:50,500
S1: topics like it is. It's a I'm going to say

1035
00:45:50,500 --> 00:45:54,040
S1: like you can watch it, you know, and it's fine

1036
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,660
S1: and it's fine to talk about. But then as soon

1037
00:45:55,660 --> 00:45:57,160
S1: as I think about it, I think this is an

1038
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:01,210
S1: abomination to television in terms of what it's trying to do,

1039
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:05,350
S1: what it's failing to do, how it's edited, how stupid

1040
00:46:05,350 --> 00:46:09,130
S1: the character development is, and everyone is tricked for a

1041
00:46:09,130 --> 00:46:11,860
S1: second into forgetting all of that because it looks so good.

1042
00:46:11,860 --> 00:46:14,530
S1: And I just like hate it more and more, frankly.

1043
00:46:14,530 --> 00:46:16,089
S2: Would you cast in your films?

1044
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,160
S9: 100%, Yeah. What do you think? What do you think

1045
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:18,880
S9: the story is going to be?

1046
00:46:18,969 --> 00:46:24,460
S3: Lucky little broadcaster who I think that like if you

1047
00:46:24,580 --> 00:46:26,350
S3: if you take like a broader look at the idol

1048
00:46:26,350 --> 00:46:28,870
S3: I am not convinced that this is not like the

1049
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:32,260
S3: work of Roman and Kendall at the studio This they've

1050
00:46:32,260 --> 00:46:34,420
S3: scrapped the robot in a cave movie and they've been

1051
00:46:34,420 --> 00:46:38,050
S3: like let's put all this money into a shit massive

1052
00:46:38,050 --> 00:46:40,930
S3: money series, big prestige TV series, and we'll just kind

1053
00:46:40,930 --> 00:46:42,190
S3: of like wipe the slate clean. It can be like

1054
00:46:42,190 --> 00:46:43,900
S3: a tax write off and maybe this is what's going

1055
00:46:43,900 --> 00:46:46,390
S3: to happen. Maybe the idol needed to be so bad

1056
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:49,540
S3: after the kind of like glory of succession and then

1057
00:46:49,540 --> 00:46:52,750
S3: whatever HBO is next show that comes, maybe that will

1058
00:46:52,750 --> 00:46:55,960
S3: be like, you know, the kind of life after succession.

1059
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,640
S2: The thing that is hard with streaming. We were talking

1060
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,950
S2: about the difference between box office and streaming is that

1061
00:46:59,950 --> 00:47:03,069
S2: you can never get the numbers box office, at least

1062
00:47:03,070 --> 00:47:04,360
S2: you used to be able to tell how much of

1063
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:04,870
S2: an impact.

1064
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:06,489
S1: How much a show is being watched.

1065
00:47:06,489 --> 00:47:08,650
S2: Yeah, but we'll just have no idea. They could tell

1066
00:47:08,650 --> 00:47:10,630
S2: us it was the most watched thing on the platform

1067
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:13,180
S2: and we'll never we'll never know. And it could be

1068
00:47:13,180 --> 00:47:13,480
S2: I saw.

1069
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,130
S3: The weekend share anything that day. It was like the

1070
00:47:15,130 --> 00:47:17,319
S3: idol and like episode on episode is tracking more than

1071
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,390
S3: the first season of Euphoria, which I thought was so

1072
00:47:19,390 --> 00:47:23,560
S3: weirdly layered for him to share. But whatever. But like,

1073
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,629
S3: you know, the fact that he's putting that up is like,

1074
00:47:25,630 --> 00:47:27,580
S3: obviously the show is not doing very well.

1075
00:47:27,580 --> 00:47:29,740
S1: Yeah. And the only numbers I've seen are like the

1076
00:47:29,739 --> 00:47:32,830
S1: numbers of viewership on HBO when it airs on cable,

1077
00:47:32,830 --> 00:47:36,160
S1: which is like not ideal because it's, you know, that's

1078
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:37,790
S1: not how most people, I think, who intend to watch

1079
00:47:37,790 --> 00:47:40,900
S1: this show watch it, they stream when they want. But

1080
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:43,480
S1: those numbers have been going down every episode. And I

1081
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,560
S1: think the last one just cracked 100,000 viewers in the US,

1082
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,080
S1: which is minuscule stuff. I mean, I don't want to

1083
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,570
S1: talk more about it. It's like they in this episode,

1084
00:47:52,570 --> 00:47:55,359
S1: there's like so many shot for shot attempts to be

1085
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,730
S1: Brian De Palma and all it makes you think is

1086
00:47:57,730 --> 00:47:59,980
S1: like how good Brian De Palma is. We're talking about

1087
00:47:59,980 --> 00:48:04,210
S1: like Basic Instinct and Fatal Attraction before. Paul Verhoeven Like

1088
00:48:04,210 --> 00:48:07,150
S1: it's just reminding you that there's good stuff like this

1089
00:48:07,150 --> 00:48:10,540
S1: and this is like undergraduate attempts to do it. It's

1090
00:48:10,540 --> 00:48:12,549
S1: probably boring for listeners that every week I just yell

1091
00:48:12,550 --> 00:48:14,680
S1: about how bad this show is, but I thought I

1092
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,000
S1: had to had to mention it.

1093
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:16,500
S9: So you're saying.

1094
00:48:16,510 --> 00:48:18,490
S3: You won't be having like a hairbrush party next week

1095
00:48:18,489 --> 00:48:19,180
S3: for the finale?

1096
00:48:19,630 --> 00:48:23,529
S1: Oh, Thomas, let's, let's, let's, let's use that as an

1097
00:48:23,530 --> 00:48:28,060
S1: opportunity to end this week's podcast. Thomas and Mel, thank

1098
00:48:28,060 --> 00:48:29,410
S1: you so much.

1099
00:48:29,620 --> 00:48:30,640
S3: Always down to talk about sex.

1100
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,680
S2: I'm looking forward for my casting call.

1101
00:48:35,820 --> 00:48:39,180
S1: This episode of The Drop was produced by Cheong. If

1102
00:48:39,180 --> 00:48:41,969
S1: you enjoyed listening to today's episode, make sure to follow

1103
00:48:41,969 --> 00:48:44,640
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1104
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,150
S1: or better yet, share it with a friend. I'm Osman Farooqui.

1105
00:48:48,180 --> 00:48:49,260
S1: See you next week.