1 00:00:07,820 --> 00:00:11,240 S1: Hey, I'm Osman Farooqui and this is the drop a 2 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,910 S1: culture show from the Sydney Morning Herald and The Age, 3 00:00:13,910 --> 00:00:16,310 S1: where we dive into the latest in the world of 4 00:00:16,310 --> 00:00:21,489 S1: pop culture and entertainment. I'm here with Thomas Mitchell, Mel Cambrai, 5 00:00:21,530 --> 00:00:23,570 S1: how things goes pretty good. 6 00:00:23,570 --> 00:00:24,770 S2: Yeah. So far so good. 7 00:00:24,860 --> 00:00:26,720 S3: Happy days here at the moment. How about you? 8 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:31,240 S1: I'm a bit overwhelmed. There's a enormous amount of like, 9 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,460 S1: activity happening as we get towards the end of the year. 10 00:00:34,490 --> 00:00:37,880 S1: As you guys know, I'm not the best planner and 11 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,479 S1: organiser of life and a lot of shows happening. I 12 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,850 S1: feel like this is like a post-Covid thing. There's such 13 00:00:43,850 --> 00:00:46,670 S1: a backlog of like artists who want a tour Australia, 14 00:00:46,670 --> 00:00:48,680 S1: and you used to have like 2 or 3 big 15 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,140 S1: name acts here and now. It's like every weekend there 16 00:00:51,140 --> 00:00:53,120 S1: is something happening, like, I'm going to go see Christina 17 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:57,440 S1: Aguilera this weekend. That is pretty exciting. GI pole, one 18 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,050 S1: of my favorite artists of all time, is coming to 19 00:01:00,050 --> 00:01:02,780 S1: do Melbourne shows in the next couple of weeks. Zach 20 00:01:02,780 --> 00:01:05,660 S1: Bryan is coming. There's a lot happening. I'm getting kind 21 00:01:05,660 --> 00:01:08,210 S1: of both excited and quite stressed about the amount of 22 00:01:08,209 --> 00:01:09,880 S1: things going on in life. 23 00:01:09,890 --> 00:01:11,960 S3: What's your favorite Christina Aguilera song? 24 00:01:12,470 --> 00:01:14,120 S1: I mean, Genie in a bottle. I think it's just 25 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,300 S1: like the the one that stands out. Also, I think 26 00:01:17,300 --> 00:01:20,360 S1: I've said this before to you guys, my very first 27 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:24,979 S1: album ever was the Moulin Rouge soundtrack. So Lady Marmalade, 28 00:01:25,010 --> 00:01:26,420 S1: that's a great one too. 29 00:01:26,420 --> 00:01:29,530 S2: I have found that without fail, if you put come 30 00:01:29,540 --> 00:01:32,810 S2: On over on at a party, then you're a fucking legend. 31 00:01:32,810 --> 00:01:34,970 S3: Yeah. That is so good. Oz, what's your kind of. 32 00:01:34,970 --> 00:01:36,649 S3: I know we like to talk about when we see 33 00:01:36,650 --> 00:01:39,770 S3: things out, the etiquette surrounding it. Or at least what's 34 00:01:39,770 --> 00:01:43,069 S3: your what will be your concert going etiquette at Christina Aguilera? Like, 35 00:01:43,069 --> 00:01:44,510 S3: are you going to be out of your chair? Will 36 00:01:44,510 --> 00:01:47,060 S3: you be singing out loud or just mouthing, what's your 37 00:01:47,060 --> 00:01:47,870 S3: kind of vibe? 38 00:01:48,260 --> 00:01:49,910 S1: It's a really good question. This one is going to 39 00:01:49,910 --> 00:01:54,230 S1: be a pretty stoic, chill vibe because I am also 40 00:01:54,230 --> 00:01:59,330 S1: there in a, I guess, like slightly reporting capacity. So 41 00:01:59,630 --> 00:02:02,330 S1: Christina's been brought out to Australia as part of this 42 00:02:02,330 --> 00:02:04,970 S1: program by the Victorian government called Always Live with a 43 00:02:04,970 --> 00:02:07,460 S1: pay artists like a lot of money to come to 44 00:02:07,460 --> 00:02:10,370 S1: Melbourne or to Victoria and play one off shows. There's 45 00:02:10,370 --> 00:02:13,790 S1: been a little bit of like discussion about the merit 46 00:02:13,790 --> 00:02:17,360 S1: of bringing Christina Aguilera out. I'm very interested to see 47 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,330 S1: how many tickets have been sold, like what the vibe is, 48 00:02:20,330 --> 00:02:22,880 S1: what the demographic is, whether this is like a good 49 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,060 S1: bang for buck in terms of government art spending. So 50 00:02:26,060 --> 00:02:28,310 S1: I'll be there like, you know, like nodding along but 51 00:02:28,310 --> 00:02:29,089 S1: a little bit like. 52 00:02:29,090 --> 00:02:29,750 S2: With the discerning. 53 00:02:29,750 --> 00:02:32,079 S1: Unfolded, surveying the landscape, nodding with. 54 00:02:32,090 --> 00:02:32,959 S3: A side eye. 55 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,480 S1: Exactly, exactly. But, you know, maybe it'll go off and 56 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:36,799 S1: I'll just have to, you know. 57 00:02:37,250 --> 00:02:38,959 S3: Release the genie in your bottle. 58 00:02:39,290 --> 00:02:40,010 S1: Exactly. 59 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,369 S2: Is she like, is this a menu log involved in this? 60 00:02:43,669 --> 00:02:44,150 S2: Isn't she? 61 00:02:44,150 --> 00:02:46,670 S1: Like, it's a really good question, Thomas. I don't think 62 00:02:46,669 --> 00:02:49,880 S1: Menulog are involved in the show, but as she's here, 63 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,150 S1: she seems to be double dipping a little bit and 64 00:02:53,150 --> 00:02:56,060 S1: is like, cool. The money I'm getting to perform from 65 00:02:56,060 --> 00:02:58,160 S1: the Victorian government's not enough. I may as well shoot 66 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,730 S1: a menulog ad as well. So she's really making the 67 00:03:01,730 --> 00:03:03,560 S1: most of a trip down Under. 68 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,060 S3: Yeah, see, that's a woman who knows how to plan 69 00:03:05,060 --> 00:03:05,690 S3: a life. 70 00:03:05,690 --> 00:03:07,459 S2: Yeah, she is not double booking. 71 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,390 S1: Well, I look forward to sharing my review next week 72 00:03:11,389 --> 00:03:14,210 S1: on the show. Probably. But today we've got a big one. 73 00:03:14,210 --> 00:03:19,370 S1: We're going to discuss one of the most divisive films 74 00:03:19,370 --> 00:03:22,579 S1: I'll say of the years. So far it is Saltburn 75 00:03:22,580 --> 00:03:25,910 S1: Emerald Fennell's follow up to Promising Young Woman. We're also 76 00:03:25,910 --> 00:03:28,940 S1: going to cover the second episode of The Curse, which 77 00:03:28,940 --> 00:03:32,959 S1: is quickly becoming one of the weirdest, most fascinating and, 78 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:37,010 S1: to be honest, insane TV shows I think we've seen 79 00:03:37,010 --> 00:03:41,120 S1: so far in 2023. And on our Impress Your Friend segment. 80 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,070 S1: Sorry to step on this one a bit. We're going 81 00:03:43,070 --> 00:03:45,680 S1: to touch on the latest season of The Crown. I 82 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,750 S1: just thought I'd sizzle that one, because I know a 83 00:03:47,750 --> 00:03:51,620 S1: lot of people are very excited for this season. Starring 84 00:03:51,620 --> 00:03:56,660 S1: Elizabeth Debicki, Australia's own wonderful, wonderful actress as Princess Diana. 85 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,310 S1: But first guys, we're going to talk about politicians. And boy, 86 00:04:01,310 --> 00:04:05,240 S1: do they love to be relatable. Did you guys catch 87 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,500 S1: the Good Weekend cover story? The profile on Jim Chalmers, 88 00:04:09,500 --> 00:04:12,350 S1: the federal Treasurer, this past weekend I did. 89 00:04:12,350 --> 00:04:14,600 S2: I was very like I mean, look, I'll be honest, 90 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,150 S2: the headline got me. It was like, he loves hip hop, 91 00:04:17,150 --> 00:04:19,640 S2: the Broncos. And I was like, oh my gosh, this 92 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,060 S2: is just like me. Yeah. So yes, I was I 93 00:04:23,060 --> 00:04:24,650 S2: was pretty much hooked in from the get go. 94 00:04:24,650 --> 00:04:27,800 S3: And you're famously always explaining inflation to everyone. 95 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,380 S2: Exactly. And you know, what was the current cost of 96 00:04:30,380 --> 00:04:33,830 S2: living crisis which we can get into. And the stage 97 00:04:33,830 --> 00:04:37,310 S2: three tax cuts. It just felt like a timely read. Yeah. 98 00:04:37,310 --> 00:04:39,739 S3: And as with all good profiles, I felt like it 99 00:04:39,740 --> 00:04:42,109 S3: was all in the details in this one. Like the 100 00:04:42,110 --> 00:04:44,180 S3: idea that he can't just have a square of chocolate, 101 00:04:44,180 --> 00:04:46,580 S3: he has to have the whole block. He's kind of 102 00:04:46,580 --> 00:04:49,820 S3: compulsion about squeezing the most out of every day, looking 103 00:04:49,820 --> 00:04:51,979 S3: at the clock all the time. I loved all the 104 00:04:51,980 --> 00:04:52,880 S3: details from it. 105 00:04:53,390 --> 00:04:55,460 S1: Well, just to reassure listeners, we are not going to 106 00:04:55,460 --> 00:04:58,130 S1: be talking about Jim Chalmers economic policy or the stage 107 00:04:58,130 --> 00:05:00,770 S1: three tax cuts. The bit that stood out to me 108 00:05:00,770 --> 00:05:03,200 S1: in the piece, which was written by the wonderful Deborah Snow. 109 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,260 S1: Same with you, Thomas. The the kind of like headline 110 00:05:06,260 --> 00:05:09,490 S1: which referenced his. Love of hip hop, basketball and the Broncos. 111 00:05:09,490 --> 00:05:11,890 S1: And I'm like, okay, this is going to be interesting. 112 00:05:11,890 --> 00:05:14,529 S1: Let's see how this guy pulls off being the cool, 113 00:05:14,529 --> 00:05:19,600 S1: fun like youngish treasurer. So he was described in the 114 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:24,130 S1: profile as a hip hop aficionado, right? I'm like cool, cool. 115 00:05:24,130 --> 00:05:26,560 S1: You know, I'm pretty into hip hop myself. This is fun. 116 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,800 S1: Let's let's see what this goes. I wonder what he's into. 117 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,919 S1: Turns out, you know, when he listed his favorite hip 118 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:37,490 S1: hop acts of of all time, there was the Notorious B.I.G. 119 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,260 S1: AKA Biggie Smalls. There was two Pac and there was 120 00:05:41,260 --> 00:05:45,220 S1: Snoop Dogg, which are all in high rotation Jim Chalmers playlist, 121 00:05:45,220 --> 00:05:48,489 S1: according to the piece. I mean, my initial reaction to 122 00:05:48,490 --> 00:05:52,960 S1: that was, it's like if you Wikipedia like popular hip 123 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,050 S1: hop acts that like the three biggest hip hop artists 124 00:05:56,050 --> 00:05:59,560 S1: of all time, particularly in the 90s, like, not not 125 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,500 S1: that surprising or interesting from from Jim there. 126 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,950 S2: Yeah. I don't know if those three make you in aficionados. 127 00:06:05,980 --> 00:06:08,080 S1: Like if he had. 128 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,450 S3: Said one fall that would have been that would have 129 00:06:10,450 --> 00:06:11,260 S3: been something. 130 00:06:11,410 --> 00:06:14,080 S2: Yeah it did. It did feel a bit like a 131 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,260 S2: credibility grab or something. And I just think it's so 132 00:06:17,260 --> 00:06:19,660 S2: funny because he goes on about Biggie Smalls. That seems 133 00:06:19,660 --> 00:06:23,020 S2: to be Biggie and Tupac, I think. Obviously famous famously 134 00:06:23,020 --> 00:06:26,260 S2: rivals rest in peace to both. But like the fact 135 00:06:26,260 --> 00:06:28,630 S2: that he he loves those two so much, it's just 136 00:06:28,630 --> 00:06:31,000 S2: so funny because like, he's this guy from Logan City, 137 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,480 S2: which actually has produced some pretty good hip hop acts itself, 138 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,779 S2: but like, I just can't quite see it. And then 139 00:06:37,779 --> 00:06:40,210 S2: also I thought, it's quite funny because, you know, like 140 00:06:40,210 --> 00:06:42,730 S2: he talks about Biggie Smalls a lot and stuff and 141 00:06:42,730 --> 00:06:45,610 S2: just like trying to imagine him like bumping Biggie Smalls 142 00:06:45,610 --> 00:06:48,790 S2: like in Parliament House. Like, is he playing like mo money, 143 00:06:48,790 --> 00:06:50,590 S2: mo problems and just looking at the fucking budget like, 144 00:06:50,589 --> 00:06:51,160 S2: what's going on? 145 00:06:51,310 --> 00:06:53,320 S3: I also worry that he's setting himself up for a 146 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,740 S3: gotcha moment. Like it just takes, you know, a small 147 00:06:56,740 --> 00:06:59,890 S3: question that a basic hip hop aficionado, like both of 148 00:06:59,890 --> 00:07:02,770 S3: you would know the answer to, to kind of unravel 149 00:07:02,770 --> 00:07:04,450 S3: this personality? 150 00:07:04,450 --> 00:07:06,760 S1: Well, Mel, I'm so glad you brought that up because 151 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,680 S1: the gotcha moment is coming. They Got Your Moment is 152 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,739 S1: coming on this podcast right now. Don't you worry about that. 153 00:07:11,740 --> 00:07:14,290 S1: Don't you worry about that. It's not the first time 154 00:07:14,290 --> 00:07:17,739 S1: this profile that Chalmers has talked about his love of 155 00:07:17,740 --> 00:07:20,020 S1: hip hop. It's not the first time it's been reported either. 156 00:07:20,020 --> 00:07:22,360 S1: In another piece in the Herald from March by a 157 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,600 S1: political reporter, James Mazzola, it was reported that Chalmers was 158 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,600 S1: a big hip hop guy and again mentioned Tupac and Biggie, 159 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,660 S1: but this time it also mentioned Jay-Z and NAS. Like, 160 00:07:31,660 --> 00:07:34,420 S1: I guess that's page two when you look at them 161 00:07:34,420 --> 00:07:39,700 S1: as rappers. Also famously rivals. Is there a rapper from 162 00:07:39,700 --> 00:07:42,250 S1: the 90s that Chalmers doesn't like? I feel like he's 163 00:07:42,250 --> 00:07:45,040 S1: just listing every single rapper who had a hit. 164 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,440 S2: I do think it was weird that he like, left 165 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,300 S2: out Eminem. I know Eminem is more of like a 166 00:07:49,300 --> 00:07:53,020 S2: 2000 rapper, but he's probably the other one in that set. 167 00:07:53,020 --> 00:07:56,800 S2: But Eminem is like a bit more like, I don't know, 168 00:07:56,950 --> 00:07:59,680 S2: I guess he's still kind of more relevant and alive 169 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:02,380 S2: than being in Tupac. I mean, maybe. 170 00:08:02,380 --> 00:08:04,750 S3: Ladies would have been nice too, don't you think? 171 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,750 S2: Yeah. That's true. So I mean, who are your favorite 172 00:08:07,750 --> 00:08:10,690 S2: female rappers? Oh, where do I start anyway? 173 00:08:13,570 --> 00:08:14,680 S4: He's your gotcha moment. 174 00:08:14,950 --> 00:08:17,140 S1: I mean, there's Lena, we're talking about Lady Marmalade, Lil Kim, 175 00:08:17,140 --> 00:08:19,930 S1: you know, she's she was of that era from from Brooklyn, 176 00:08:19,930 --> 00:08:20,860 S1: I think. Yeah. 177 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:25,120 S2: But yeah, it was very funny and I guess like 178 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:26,650 S2: his appearance on Q&A. 179 00:08:26,740 --> 00:08:29,440 S1: Oh my God, I'm glad you mentioned this. So in, 180 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,470 S1: in in my research, I spent a lot of this 181 00:08:32,470 --> 00:08:36,460 S1: week trying to figure out, I guess, the the true 182 00:08:36,460 --> 00:08:40,660 S1: origin story of our treasurer's hip hop obsession. And he 183 00:08:40,660 --> 00:08:42,730 S1: did on an episode of Q and A, I believe, 184 00:08:42,730 --> 00:08:46,119 S1: earlier this year list even more rappers he likes. I 185 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,280 S1: think he was asked a question about like whether it 186 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,750 S1: was appropriate to like hip hop because of, you know, 187 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,770 S1: the lyrics and whatever. And, you know, to his credit, 188 00:08:53,770 --> 00:08:55,750 S1: he defended it and talked about why he thought it 189 00:08:55,750 --> 00:08:58,510 S1: was a good and valid musical genre. So he listed 190 00:08:58,510 --> 00:09:01,420 S1: all the ones we've mentioned. He also talked about the 191 00:09:01,420 --> 00:09:05,500 S1: fact he grew up listening to Run-DMC and the Beastie Boys. 192 00:09:05,500 --> 00:09:07,179 S1: So I guess that's like, you know, two of the 193 00:09:07,179 --> 00:09:09,010 S1: biggest artists from the 80s as well. We're getting like 194 00:09:09,010 --> 00:09:12,340 S1: the chronology of Jim Chalmers is, you know, discovery of 195 00:09:12,340 --> 00:09:15,340 S1: rap music. But he mentioned a couple of Australian rappers, 196 00:09:15,340 --> 00:09:19,420 S1: which was pretty interesting. The first one was Illy and 197 00:09:19,420 --> 00:09:22,929 S1: his favorite Aly song, Same Number, Same Hood, which samples 198 00:09:23,170 --> 00:09:26,709 S1: Biggie Smalls Juicy. So it's just like every he catches 199 00:09:26,710 --> 00:09:29,080 S1: a glimpse of biggie. He's like, I love that. I 200 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,410 S1: love that. He also mentioned one of our favorite acts, 201 00:09:32,410 --> 00:09:35,440 S1: Thomas Spit Syndicate. Yes, in a West's own shout out 202 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,380 S1: to our guy Nick Lupi, one day Sundays reunited on 203 00:09:38,380 --> 00:09:40,900 S1: the weekend. Very exciting for them. That was cool to 204 00:09:40,900 --> 00:09:45,010 S1: see him shut them out. But you mentioned Logan City rappers. Thomas. 205 00:09:45,010 --> 00:09:47,590 S1: Like there's a great hip hop crew out of Logan 206 00:09:47,590 --> 00:09:51,100 S1: City called Enemy No. Many enterprise hasn't made it to 207 00:09:51,100 --> 00:09:52,300 S1: Jim Chalmers playlist. 208 00:09:52,300 --> 00:09:55,359 S2: Yeah, weird because like, you know, Logan City proud. And 209 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,630 S2: he obviously has an awareness of Australian hip hop. So 210 00:09:58,630 --> 00:10:00,820 S2: I mean, look maybe deeper in the playlist once he 211 00:10:00,820 --> 00:10:03,699 S2: goes through like, you know, the two park early era 212 00:10:03,700 --> 00:10:06,850 S2: and all the B stuff. There's some enemy there. But 213 00:10:06,850 --> 00:10:09,780 S2: it's funny. Because on Q&A they eventually said him like, 214 00:10:09,780 --> 00:10:14,190 S2: what is your absolute favorite hip hop song of all time? 215 00:10:14,190 --> 00:10:16,319 S2: And husband? What does he say? 216 00:10:16,740 --> 00:10:18,990 S1: He says, it's this kills me, man. I've got to say, 217 00:10:18,990 --> 00:10:20,760 S1: this is the bit where it's old. This is like 218 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,250 S1: the icing on the cake. The cherry on top, his 219 00:10:23,250 --> 00:10:25,469 S1: favorite song of all time, is a song by Tupac. 220 00:10:25,470 --> 00:10:28,200 S1: It is called changes. Right? And this is so funny. 221 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:29,849 S1: Not because the songs are good. Don't get me wrong, 222 00:10:29,850 --> 00:10:33,180 S1: I love this song. Honestly, it's probably my favorite Tupac song. 223 00:10:33,179 --> 00:10:35,220 S1: It's probably one of my favorite hip hop songs of 224 00:10:35,220 --> 00:10:37,949 S1: all time, but I do think this is where the 225 00:10:37,950 --> 00:10:40,860 S1: gotcha bit comes into it. Melle I do think it 226 00:10:40,860 --> 00:10:44,250 S1: is weird to admit to this song being your favorite 227 00:10:44,250 --> 00:10:48,240 S1: when you are one of the most powerful men in 228 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,920 S1: the country with the ability, with literally the waving of 229 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,980 S1: a finger, the signing of a document with a pen, 230 00:10:55,980 --> 00:10:59,850 S1: the ability to transform the lives of millions of people 231 00:10:59,850 --> 00:11:05,699 S1: incarcerated in the prison system, struggling with poverty, racial problems. Obviously, 232 00:11:05,700 --> 00:11:07,560 S1: Jim Chalmers can't fix every single thing, but he's in 233 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,190 S1: a very powerful position as the treasurer of Australia. Like, 234 00:11:11,730 --> 00:11:14,340 S1: should we talk about this song and unpack why exactly 235 00:11:14,340 --> 00:11:15,390 S1: this is so weird? 236 00:11:15,540 --> 00:11:16,500 S2: Absolutely. 237 00:11:16,710 --> 00:11:19,920 S1: So this is how this is how changes opens, right? 238 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,110 S1: I see no changes. Wake up in the morning and 239 00:11:22,110 --> 00:11:25,950 S1: I ask myself, is life worth living? Should I blast myself? 240 00:11:25,950 --> 00:11:28,770 S1: I'm tired of being poor. And even worse, I'm black. 241 00:11:28,770 --> 00:11:30,960 S1: My stomach hurts so much I'm looking for a purse 242 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,330 S1: to snatch, right? That sets up the whole premise of 243 00:11:33,330 --> 00:11:37,650 S1: this song, which is about generational poverty. It's about the 244 00:11:37,650 --> 00:11:42,689 S1: marginalization of black people in America, the overlapping socioeconomic factors 245 00:11:42,690 --> 00:11:46,140 S1: with race, the fact that people are forced to turn 246 00:11:46,140 --> 00:11:49,890 S1: to crime to put food on the table. Great. Chalmers 247 00:11:49,890 --> 00:11:52,470 S1: is like 1617 when he's listening to this, he's like, yeah, 248 00:11:52,470 --> 00:11:54,420 S1: this is awesome, man. Like the worlds fuck, we've got 249 00:11:54,420 --> 00:11:56,940 S1: to fix the system. He's still saying that's his favorite 250 00:11:56,940 --> 00:12:00,390 S1: song when he's the Treasurer of Australia. That's wild to me, 251 00:12:00,540 --> 00:12:01,140 S1: I think. 252 00:12:01,140 --> 00:12:04,110 S2: Yeah, I mean it is absolutely crazy. And I think 253 00:12:04,110 --> 00:12:06,929 S2: also more importantly for me, it's like changes is the 254 00:12:06,929 --> 00:12:09,500 S2: song that's your favorite Tupac song when you don't know 255 00:12:09,510 --> 00:12:10,440 S2: many Tupac songs? 256 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:11,309 S1: Yeah. Also true. 257 00:12:11,370 --> 00:12:12,780 S2: Like I know that you just said it's your favorite 258 00:12:12,780 --> 00:12:14,170 S2: and I know that you know Tupac, but. 259 00:12:14,190 --> 00:12:16,920 S1: For me, because I'm like so into the material analysis 260 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:18,540 S1: of Tupac, I'm like, this is good. 261 00:12:18,540 --> 00:12:20,370 S2: Shit. Yeah. But this that's like kind of hip hop. 262 00:12:20,370 --> 00:12:22,290 S2: What I want. It's like saying, oh, my favorite Eminem 263 00:12:22,290 --> 00:12:24,510 S2: song is like the real Slim Shady. It's just kind 264 00:12:24,510 --> 00:12:26,370 S2: of says to me, oh, like, I love Kanye because 265 00:12:26,370 --> 00:12:28,230 S2: Gold Digger is so great. Like, it just says to 266 00:12:28,230 --> 00:12:30,720 S2: me that maybe he's not as much of like, a 267 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,630 S2: park guy as he pretends to be. And like, you know, 268 00:12:33,630 --> 00:12:36,000 S2: someone's put him on a spot. He's been like, yeah, changes. 100% changes. 269 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:36,660 S2: That's mine. Yeah, I feel like. 270 00:12:36,660 --> 00:12:38,820 S1: He'd say that and he'd say, California girls, right? 271 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,930 S2: Yeah, exactly, exactly. So yeah, I don't know. It's just 272 00:12:42,929 --> 00:12:45,359 S2: very funny. And maybe I do feel for him a 273 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,309 S2: little bit because it is a tricky area. Like if 274 00:12:47,309 --> 00:12:51,330 S2: you're a politician, it's, it's big, like big areas for 275 00:12:51,330 --> 00:12:52,949 S2: you to slip up. And maybe he really is a 276 00:12:52,950 --> 00:12:55,260 S2: hip hop fan, but as soon as you say like 277 00:12:55,260 --> 00:12:57,330 S2: it's a baiting question, you know, like as soon as 278 00:12:57,330 --> 00:12:59,430 S2: you give an answer, everyone's going to be like, are 279 00:12:59,429 --> 00:13:00,630 S2: you just saying that to be cool? 280 00:13:00,750 --> 00:13:04,050 S3: Yeah, I agree, and I think you're being too hard. 281 00:13:04,050 --> 00:13:06,660 S3: Like it's easy. It's like shooting fish in a barrel 282 00:13:06,660 --> 00:13:08,910 S3: to make fun of a white guy in his 40s 283 00:13:08,910 --> 00:13:11,280 S3: who's pretty clear cut for liking hip hop. Like, that's 284 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,059 S3: so obvious. And also this dude here, he's on a 285 00:13:15,059 --> 00:13:19,650 S3: one for a documentary saying we don't appreciate hip hop enough. 286 00:13:19,650 --> 00:13:22,140 S3: We need hip hop more in the mainstream. White people 287 00:13:22,140 --> 00:13:26,130 S3: don't appreciate it. Someone takes a huge public platform and 288 00:13:26,130 --> 00:13:28,740 S3: they are saying, I like hip hop music, and then 289 00:13:28,740 --> 00:13:31,770 S3: you throw them under the bus like, look, isn't it 290 00:13:31,770 --> 00:13:34,050 S3: good to have a treasurer who at least says the 291 00:13:34,050 --> 00:13:37,079 S3: lyrics mean something to people and to him than to 292 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,959 S3: have police in New South Wales, a government in New 293 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,570 S3: South Wales who is like, this is just about crime. 294 00:13:42,570 --> 00:13:45,960 S3: Like you should be celebrating that he's on a platform. Well, I. 295 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,209 S1: Think I mean, look, there's a valid point there, Mel. 296 00:13:48,210 --> 00:13:51,150 S1: I think if Jim Chalmers was to unite his love 297 00:13:51,150 --> 00:13:54,060 S1: of this genre of music and the artists that he 298 00:13:54,059 --> 00:13:57,750 S1: says he loves, who went through similar kinds of police repression, 299 00:13:57,750 --> 00:14:00,569 S1: if he was to unite those instincts with the enormous 300 00:14:00,570 --> 00:14:05,579 S1: power he wields to perhaps say something about the ongoing 301 00:14:05,580 --> 00:14:08,760 S1: censorship of hip hop in Australia right now, I would 302 00:14:09,540 --> 00:14:11,340 S1: pat him on the back. I would applaud him for 303 00:14:11,340 --> 00:14:14,429 S1: doing so. But when he doesn't want to do that, 304 00:14:14,429 --> 00:14:16,590 S1: but wants to get the cred for saying he loves 305 00:14:16,590 --> 00:14:18,750 S1: the song like changes, which, by the way, also includes 306 00:14:18,750 --> 00:14:21,110 S1: the line it ain't a secret. Don't conceal the fact 307 00:14:21,110 --> 00:14:24,030 S1: that the penitentiary is packed and it's filled with blacks. Like, 308 00:14:24,030 --> 00:14:26,430 S1: I mean, that's a lyric that resonates in Australia, which 309 00:14:26,430 --> 00:14:29,760 S1: has a high incarceration rate of indigenous people. Then America 310 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,800 S1: does of blacks. Like, does Jim Chalmers want to raise 311 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,410 S1: the age, for example? I don't know and has this 312 00:14:34,500 --> 00:14:36,840 S1: how about this one, Mel? You know, pretty topical right now. 313 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,360 S1: It's a war on the streets and the war in 314 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,580 S1: the Middle East instead of a war on poverty. They've 315 00:14:41,580 --> 00:14:43,859 S1: got a war on drugs so the police can bother me. 316 00:14:43,860 --> 00:14:46,950 S1: I mean, again, is Jim Chalmers suggesting that we need 317 00:14:46,950 --> 00:14:50,850 S1: to change the way that we police and treat drug 318 00:14:50,850 --> 00:14:54,480 S1: crime and instead maybe invest more on lifting people out 319 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,250 S1: of poverty? I don't think he is. I don't think, you. 320 00:14:56,250 --> 00:14:58,320 S3: Know, just because you like a song doesn't mean you 321 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,930 S3: back every lyric. Also, like it's not that easy. You 322 00:15:00,930 --> 00:15:03,780 S3: think like systemic inequality. The treasurer can fix that with 323 00:15:03,780 --> 00:15:05,670 S3: one sign of his pen. And I will say, I 324 00:15:05,670 --> 00:15:06,510 S3: don't think I literally. 325 00:15:06,510 --> 00:15:08,359 S1: Mel. I'm sorry. I think I do, I think I do. 326 00:15:08,570 --> 00:15:10,250 S1: I don't think I could. You could. I think the 327 00:15:10,250 --> 00:15:11,490 S1: treasurer kind of can, I think. 328 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,090 S3: I think also I feel like Barack Obama. You're holding 329 00:15:14,090 --> 00:15:16,550 S3: him to the same standard. He wasn't a flawless president. 330 00:15:16,550 --> 00:15:19,040 S3: And he was. He always put out his kind of 331 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,220 S3: cultural list of favorite songs, TV shows, books. Did we 332 00:15:22,220 --> 00:15:24,680 S3: go through that and say, oh, you liked this Lauren 333 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,470 S3: Groff book, but did you action the kind of moral 334 00:15:27,470 --> 00:15:28,340 S3: meaning behind that? 335 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:29,660 S1: I don't know if you know much about me, but 336 00:15:29,660 --> 00:15:32,210 S1: I absolutely do do that every every year, every year 337 00:15:32,210 --> 00:15:34,370 S1: Obama puts out his list. I'm like, oh, you say 338 00:15:34,370 --> 00:15:36,860 S1: you like this, but what about the politics of it? Yeah. Look, okay. 339 00:15:38,030 --> 00:15:40,250 S1: Fair enough. I mean, like the other politician, when you 340 00:15:40,250 --> 00:15:43,460 S1: think about their obsession with music is clearly Anthony Albanese, 341 00:15:43,460 --> 00:15:45,290 S1: like he's someone I mean, for the record, I think 342 00:15:45,290 --> 00:15:47,780 S1: his love of music is very genuine. I don't think 343 00:15:48,110 --> 00:15:51,050 S1: elbow's lying about, like, all the random pub in, like, 344 00:15:51,050 --> 00:15:54,229 S1: punk stuff that he loves from the Brisbane scene. There 345 00:15:54,230 --> 00:15:56,750 S1: is obviously some kind of weird clashes. Like he says 346 00:15:56,750 --> 00:16:00,740 S1: he loves Bruce Springsteen and Midnight Oil and it's just like, 347 00:16:00,740 --> 00:16:03,110 S1: okay dude again, now you're the Prime minister. Like, you 348 00:16:03,110 --> 00:16:05,840 S1: can do the things that these guys have been singing 349 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:09,470 S1: about for decades and decades, I think. Look, to your point, 350 00:16:09,470 --> 00:16:12,500 S1: it's not a hanging crime. It's not like they should 351 00:16:12,500 --> 00:16:16,880 S1: be obliterated for this stance. It's just this funny disconnect 352 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:22,400 S1: between these Gen X guys who grew up with punk 353 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,490 S1: music or pretty radical hip hop, and think that they 354 00:16:25,490 --> 00:16:27,800 S1: still connect to that in some way, and maybe they 355 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,739 S1: don't even realize the disconnect between now being some of 356 00:16:30,740 --> 00:16:33,109 S1: the most powerful people in the country. I just think 357 00:16:33,110 --> 00:16:35,810 S1: there's a world in which you have politicians. You've got 358 00:16:35,810 --> 00:16:38,390 S1: the prime minister and the treasurer who grew up on 359 00:16:38,390 --> 00:16:42,740 S1: lefty rock and like pretty radical hip hop and what 360 00:16:42,740 --> 00:16:46,340 S1: their politics are now and what they espouse kind of 361 00:16:46,340 --> 00:16:50,030 S1: couldn't be further from that. It's pretty interesting to me. 362 00:16:50,030 --> 00:16:51,320 S2: I think that I think is the funniest. I can 363 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,340 S2: just imagine, like the Parliament House, like Christmas party. I 364 00:16:55,340 --> 00:16:57,260 S2: know Jim Chalmers is sober now and if he has one, 365 00:16:57,260 --> 00:16:59,420 S2: he has 100, so he won't be drinking. But like 366 00:16:59,420 --> 00:17:02,060 S2: I could just see a full blown Kendall moment like 367 00:17:02,060 --> 00:17:04,580 S2: L to the OG. Yeah. What's the jacket on? He's like, 368 00:17:04,580 --> 00:17:07,639 S2: it was all a dream. And everyone's like, yeah, Chalmers. 369 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:08,450 S4: Chalmers. 370 00:17:09,230 --> 00:17:11,540 S3: And like, I completely agree with you about the level 371 00:17:11,540 --> 00:17:14,270 S3: of posturing. This probably is like, this is a government 372 00:17:14,270 --> 00:17:16,909 S3: that wants to present themselves as young and in touch 373 00:17:16,910 --> 00:17:19,909 S3: and remarkably different to what has come before. So like, 374 00:17:19,910 --> 00:17:22,010 S3: it's not like I don't think that this is an 375 00:17:22,010 --> 00:17:24,859 S3: act of branding for the Labour Party and for Chalmers. 376 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,220 S1: All right. Let's move on and talk about movies. That's 377 00:17:28,220 --> 00:17:31,850 S1: what people are here to listen to. Saltburn, the second 378 00:17:31,850 --> 00:17:36,860 S1: feature film by Emerald Fennell following 2020s Promising Young Woman, 379 00:17:36,859 --> 00:17:41,870 S1: stars Barry Keoghan, our own Jacob Elordi, Rosamund Pike, Richard 380 00:17:41,869 --> 00:17:45,410 S1: E Grant great stacked cast in this film have been 381 00:17:45,410 --> 00:17:47,810 S1: excited about it for a while. It was kind of 382 00:17:47,810 --> 00:17:51,080 S1: getting touted as having some Oscar buzz when it was 383 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:56,330 S1: first unveiled. It's a psychological thriller slash black comedy, I guess. 384 00:17:56,330 --> 00:18:00,590 S1: It's set in England in 2006. It follows a young 385 00:18:00,590 --> 00:18:05,540 S1: university student, Oliver, played by Kieran, who becomes obsessed with 386 00:18:05,540 --> 00:18:10,430 S1: his very, very wealthy schoolmate Felix, played by Elordi. They eventually, 387 00:18:10,430 --> 00:18:13,790 S1: through a series of, I guess, very strategic moves by Oliver, 388 00:18:13,790 --> 00:18:18,530 S1: become friends. Soon enough, Felix invites him to spend Summer 389 00:18:18,530 --> 00:18:24,140 S1: at his family's very, very lavish estate, which is called Saltburn, 390 00:18:24,140 --> 00:18:27,350 S1: the titular Saltburn. That's where we meet the rest of 391 00:18:27,350 --> 00:18:30,740 S1: Felix's family his mum Rosamund Pike, his dad Richard E Grant. 392 00:18:30,740 --> 00:18:41,480 S1: Things at that point get pretty weird. Loose, insane, cringey, grotesque, violent, messy. 393 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,540 S1: A lot of stuff happens. I want to keep most 394 00:18:44,540 --> 00:18:47,930 S1: of our conversation around this film spoiler free. And then 395 00:18:47,930 --> 00:18:49,730 S1: I think at the end of that we'll go into 396 00:18:49,730 --> 00:18:52,859 S1: a bit of a spoiler section because. I think we 397 00:18:52,859 --> 00:18:55,170 S1: need to talk about some of the things that that 398 00:18:55,170 --> 00:18:58,470 S1: are in this movie. Before I go too deep on 399 00:18:58,470 --> 00:18:59,879 S1: on my thoughts on this film, I want to hear 400 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,460 S1: from you guys. How did you how did you find Saltburn? 401 00:19:03,090 --> 00:19:06,359 S3: And I'm grieving. I'm grieving the film that I think 402 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,750 S3: this could have been, but it wasn't. I'm if you 403 00:19:09,750 --> 00:19:12,900 S3: on paper, this film is it's everything for me. I 404 00:19:12,900 --> 00:19:17,760 S3: love campus novels. I love summer vacation stories. And I 405 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,600 S3: love kind of the idea, you know, Brideshead Revisited, This 406 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,810 S3: Side of Paradise. These are some of my favorite novels. 407 00:19:24,810 --> 00:19:28,530 S3: And this film just it was all over the place 408 00:19:28,530 --> 00:19:30,210 S3: and it didn't deliver. And I feel it had all 409 00:19:30,210 --> 00:19:33,510 S3: these right ingredients, but it just couldn't get them into 410 00:19:33,510 --> 00:19:37,889 S3: some kind of coherent story. In saying that, I think 411 00:19:37,890 --> 00:19:40,710 S3: there is still a lot to like about this film, 412 00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:42,810 S3: and I think it's still worth watching, and it's still 413 00:19:42,810 --> 00:19:46,350 S3: an enjoyable watch, even if it doesn't quite work in 414 00:19:46,350 --> 00:19:48,090 S3: the way I feel. It had the potential to work 415 00:19:48,090 --> 00:19:48,830 S3: on paper. 416 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,140 S2: Yeah, I just thought it was the definition of like 417 00:19:52,140 --> 00:19:55,440 S2: style over substance. And it's really funny because it obviously 418 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,490 S2: stars Jacob Elordi, the Australian actor who is like having 419 00:19:59,490 --> 00:20:02,940 S2: a moment. I suppose we would. Everyone seems to agree 420 00:20:03,030 --> 00:20:05,369 S2: he's going to be starring Priscilla. He's obviously in euphoria. 421 00:20:05,369 --> 00:20:09,300 S2: Very tall, attractive man recently spotted at Sydney Airport reading 422 00:20:09,300 --> 00:20:12,300 S2: like 50 different books the one time. But it's weird 423 00:20:12,300 --> 00:20:15,570 S2: because I couldn't actually couldn't separate. Almost like the hype 424 00:20:15,570 --> 00:20:18,960 S2: around Jacob Elordi and the hype around this film. It 425 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,359 S2: all felt like very similar to me. It's like this. 426 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:25,199 S2: You're like, supposed to be dazzled before you even know 427 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,180 S2: what you're in for. Like, and Jacob Elordi is this 428 00:20:27,180 --> 00:20:30,060 S2: like he's everywhere right now. He's like doing the GQ profiles. 429 00:20:30,060 --> 00:20:32,550 S2: He's so good looking. This film looks great. Like it 430 00:20:32,550 --> 00:20:34,619 S2: was kind of like I can see why people are 431 00:20:34,619 --> 00:20:37,800 S2: walking out being like, great movie because it kind of 432 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,100 S2: tricks you like. Everything's there. The music is good, the 433 00:20:41,100 --> 00:20:44,879 S2: people are hot. The scene is amazing. It's an era 434 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,460 S2: we all remember. And like, if you're not paying attention, 435 00:20:47,460 --> 00:20:48,900 S2: you might get fooled into it. But yeah, I just 436 00:20:48,900 --> 00:20:52,410 S2: thought it was like it was quite shallow and it 437 00:20:52,410 --> 00:20:55,709 S2: cherry picked it like kind of current buzzy themes without 438 00:20:55,710 --> 00:20:57,210 S2: actually doing anything with them. 439 00:20:57,210 --> 00:20:59,609 S1: Yeah, really good points, I think, from both of you. 440 00:20:59,609 --> 00:21:02,670 S1: I think, Mel, you put it pretty, pretty aptly. It's like. 441 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,860 S1: A movie that seems like it's going to be what 442 00:21:05,859 --> 00:21:08,650 S1: you like. It's a high bar, right? Because it either 443 00:21:08,650 --> 00:21:10,989 S1: like meets your expectations, which are in your head, which 444 00:21:10,990 --> 00:21:12,550 S1: is going to be really hard to meet, or a dozen, 445 00:21:12,550 --> 00:21:14,860 S1: in which case you're really disappointed because it was so 446 00:21:14,859 --> 00:21:17,139 S1: close to being something you love. And that was that 447 00:21:17,140 --> 00:21:19,660 S1: was kind of what happened with me. Like, this movie 448 00:21:19,660 --> 00:21:23,710 S1: is so similar in both premise and execution to The 449 00:21:23,710 --> 00:21:26,619 S1: Talented Mr. Ripley, which is one of my favorite movies 450 00:21:26,619 --> 00:21:28,810 S1: of all time. And so I think it was it 451 00:21:28,810 --> 00:21:32,140 S1: was a hard one for me to, to go into, 452 00:21:32,140 --> 00:21:35,139 S1: like liking, because I was going to always compare it 453 00:21:35,140 --> 00:21:38,260 S1: to this film that I've got this fascination with. And 454 00:21:38,260 --> 00:21:42,310 S1: I rewatched Talented Mr. Ripley after watching Saltburn, just to 455 00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:45,430 S1: sort of like make sure that I wasn't being unfair 456 00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:48,909 S1: on Saltburn. But honestly, it became even more clear to 457 00:21:48,910 --> 00:21:52,450 S1: me how derivative it is of that film. But it's 458 00:21:52,450 --> 00:21:56,380 S1: much less subtle, it's less compelling, it's less interesting. And 459 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,310 S1: obviously that's not the only valid reason to dislike it. Like, 460 00:22:00,310 --> 00:22:04,420 S1: I'm not just saying it's not good because it's not Ripley. Generally, 461 00:22:04,420 --> 00:22:06,250 S1: I thought this film was a mess. I thought it 462 00:22:06,250 --> 00:22:08,230 S1: was all over the place. I thought the characters, their 463 00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:11,590 S1: motivations didn't make any sense. I thought the plot didn't 464 00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:15,820 S1: really hold together. There was these huge shifts and revelations 465 00:22:15,820 --> 00:22:18,100 S1: about what characters are actually trying to do that just 466 00:22:18,100 --> 00:22:21,129 S1: did not feel urgent to me at all. And I think, 467 00:22:21,130 --> 00:22:24,580 S1: like you said, Thomas, yeah, the style is what is prioritized. 468 00:22:24,580 --> 00:22:27,100 S1: Like it is shot beautifully. A lot of the performances 469 00:22:27,100 --> 00:22:29,919 S1: are quite good, and at least every main character gets 470 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,380 S1: 1 or 2 great scenes where they can really shine 471 00:22:32,380 --> 00:22:36,610 S1: and embody the kinds of, you know, almost satires of 472 00:22:36,609 --> 00:22:39,820 S1: the characters that they are playing. But overall, none of 473 00:22:39,820 --> 00:22:43,689 S1: that fit together for me. And I think and I'm 474 00:22:43,690 --> 00:22:45,730 S1: interested to talk about this with you guys and also 475 00:22:45,730 --> 00:22:48,280 S1: Finnell more generally as a director, I felt like this 476 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,800 S1: movie was more concerned about how it was going to 477 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,609 S1: be received by a particular audience, particularly online, than it 478 00:22:54,609 --> 00:22:58,270 S1: was about hanging together coherently as a film. Like there 479 00:22:58,270 --> 00:23:00,580 S1: were these scenes in these moments that you can tell 480 00:23:00,580 --> 00:23:02,530 S1: that they're like, that's going to go big on TikTok. 481 00:23:02,530 --> 00:23:04,600 S1: That's going to be a great talking point. That's going 482 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,429 S1: to be a fun thing people talk about on Tumblr 483 00:23:06,430 --> 00:23:09,250 S1: and Twitter. And sure, that's maybe a valid way to 484 00:23:09,250 --> 00:23:11,560 S1: make a movie, but that is not what delivers a 485 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,950 S1: satisfying kind of two hour long project for me. 486 00:23:15,550 --> 00:23:19,800 S3: Yeah, I almost kind of thought that was like, for now, 487 00:23:19,810 --> 00:23:23,590 S3: had all these individual ideas in her mind and all 488 00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:26,770 S3: these scenes that maybe she wanted to see on screen 489 00:23:26,770 --> 00:23:29,920 S3: that had been bubbling away, all these thoughts and then 490 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,440 S3: just tried to glue them all together, because there are 491 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,890 S3: really cool moments in this and really well shot scenes, 492 00:23:35,890 --> 00:23:38,380 S3: but then they just don't work in this movie. It's 493 00:23:38,380 --> 00:23:40,719 S3: like that scene could have been built up to. But 494 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,340 S3: you know, the way it was just in there, it 495 00:23:42,340 --> 00:23:45,250 S3: didn't work. It felt flat, it felt funny, but not 496 00:23:45,250 --> 00:23:47,800 S3: in a good way. It felt awkward. And I kind 497 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,710 S3: of wondered if, like, she just tried to do so 498 00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:52,990 S3: much that it all became too much. 499 00:23:53,109 --> 00:23:54,490 S2: I think you're definitely right. I think there were certain 500 00:23:54,490 --> 00:23:56,379 S2: scenes where you're like, okay, cool. Like, we know this 501 00:23:56,380 --> 00:23:58,150 S2: will get a reaction on TikTok and you can like, 502 00:23:58,150 --> 00:24:00,340 S2: you can almost like see the reaction videos, like taking 503 00:24:00,340 --> 00:24:02,170 S2: place with some of the more like red hot scenes, 504 00:24:02,170 --> 00:24:04,060 S2: but also like we're coming off the back of this, 505 00:24:04,060 --> 00:24:07,240 S2: like long trend of eat the Rich, you know, films 506 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:08,889 S2: and TV shows that have been so good. Like we 507 00:24:08,890 --> 00:24:11,590 S2: all love Triangle of Sadness. The White Lotus has been 508 00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:14,560 S2: doing it like really sharply for like two seasons, and 509 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,020 S2: I feel like Emerald Fennell was trying to jump on 510 00:24:17,020 --> 00:24:19,869 S2: that and slightly take it from a different angle. But 511 00:24:19,869 --> 00:24:22,629 S2: there is this confusion around like, is this another like 512 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,750 S2: satire of the rich? But it's not really. And it 513 00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:28,060 S2: just felt like a light jump onto a trend that 514 00:24:28,060 --> 00:24:29,020 S2: is possible by. 515 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,119 S3: But then I was even wondering if it was like 516 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,780 S3: a satire of the satire at some point, because I 517 00:24:34,780 --> 00:24:37,840 S3: was like, are we making fun of the films that 518 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,869 S3: do this? Like, is it a satire of Brideshead Revisited 519 00:24:40,869 --> 00:24:43,659 S3: in which there is, like, Charles Ryder Goes to Oxford, 520 00:24:43,660 --> 00:24:46,300 S3: he meets a famous family, he goes back to their castle. 521 00:24:46,300 --> 00:24:49,060 S3: He has relationships with the daughter and the son. Like, 522 00:24:49,060 --> 00:24:50,859 S3: I was like, are we making fun of these films? 523 00:24:50,859 --> 00:24:53,230 S3: Have we got so meta now that that's what's happening? 524 00:24:53,230 --> 00:24:55,420 S3: But I don't actually think that was it at some 525 00:24:55,420 --> 00:24:57,609 S3: point that just crossed my mind. But then I don't 526 00:24:57,609 --> 00:24:59,170 S3: really think it worked effectively on that. 527 00:24:59,170 --> 00:25:01,810 S1: I think that speaks to the confusion of the movie, 528 00:25:01,810 --> 00:25:04,690 S1: and I'm not totally convinced that Finnell knew what she 529 00:25:04,690 --> 00:25:06,790 S1: was trying to say across. I think if you read her, 530 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,270 S1: it's always difficult because, you know, I really enjoy it 531 00:25:10,270 --> 00:25:12,580 S1: when directors don't telegraph what they're trying to do. I 532 00:25:12,580 --> 00:25:15,430 S1: think there's something really interesting in discovering yourself and the 533 00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:18,669 S1: ambiguity around it. She has been pretty upfront in interviews 534 00:25:18,670 --> 00:25:21,550 S1: that she is trying to satirize the rich. And, you know, 535 00:25:21,550 --> 00:25:25,420 S1: Rosamund Pike is pretty, you know, open about that. That's 536 00:25:25,420 --> 00:25:27,130 S1: what this movie is trying to do. I don't think 537 00:25:27,130 --> 00:25:29,350 S1: that really works. Like there is a third of this movie, 538 00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:32,590 S1: which is a kind of comedy of manners sort of thing. 539 00:25:32,590 --> 00:25:36,850 S1: When Barry Coon's character goes to Saltburn and oh, Rich 540 00:25:36,850 --> 00:25:39,160 S1: people don't know the names of their butlers and they 541 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,210 S1: eat food. So Wheatley sure, great. Like, cool. That's not 542 00:25:43,210 --> 00:25:46,180 S1: something new or exciting we haven't seen before. Richard Grant, 543 00:25:46,180 --> 00:25:48,370 S1: Rosamund Pike are particularly good at doing it, like I'll 544 00:25:48,369 --> 00:25:50,649 S1: grant you that. But then by the end of the 545 00:25:50,650 --> 00:25:52,990 S1: movie and we'll talk about this more in the spoiler section, 546 00:25:53,109 --> 00:25:56,290 S1: I think the movie forgets that it's trying to satirize 547 00:25:56,290 --> 00:25:59,470 S1: the rich, and who you end up sympathizing with gets 548 00:25:59,470 --> 00:26:02,860 S1: pretty messy. A lot of people, though, do like this. 549 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,419 S1: Maybe I put up something on my Instagram where I 550 00:26:05,420 --> 00:26:07,850 S1: said I really didn't like it, and Emerald Fennell should 551 00:26:07,850 --> 00:26:12,919 S1: go to Director Jail having made this movie. But, you know, 552 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,770 S1: a lot of people who I like and respect said, oh, really? Like, 553 00:26:15,770 --> 00:26:17,630 S1: I thought this was really fun. I had a really 554 00:26:17,630 --> 00:26:19,820 S1: good time in the movie, and I wanted to ask 555 00:26:19,820 --> 00:26:22,220 S1: you guys about that, like, what do you think there 556 00:26:22,220 --> 00:26:24,830 S1: is to like in this film? And do you think 557 00:26:24,830 --> 00:26:27,920 S1: even if we're all a bit, oh my God, that 558 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,090 S1: it's still worth people checking out? 559 00:26:29,090 --> 00:26:30,800 S2: Yeah, I had a really weird experience because I went 560 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,990 S2: to a screener and it was pretty busy, and there 561 00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:38,240 S2: were people like, it was like such an interactive experience. 562 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,820 S2: People were like cheering and like, woo! And there was 563 00:26:40,820 --> 00:26:42,680 S2: like this big group of girls having like the fucking 564 00:26:42,740 --> 00:26:45,200 S2: best night of their like completely different experience to me. 565 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,150 S2: And I guess there are a lot of scenes in 566 00:26:47,150 --> 00:26:49,850 S2: the film that warrant that, like there are some kind 567 00:26:49,850 --> 00:26:53,570 S2: of like shocking, provocative scenes. But again, it's like, I 568 00:26:53,570 --> 00:26:56,300 S2: don't know, I don't want to say that these people 569 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,400 S2: didn't get the film on the level that I did, 570 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,530 S2: even though I am very smart. But like, they stretch. Yeah, 571 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,750 S2: I do love hip hop, but like, yeah, I think 572 00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:08,270 S2: that some people are just going in and being like, oh, 573 00:27:08,270 --> 00:27:10,010 S2: this is really fun. And we said this kind of 574 00:27:10,010 --> 00:27:13,490 S2: earlier today, like off this film, I would like way more, 575 00:27:13,490 --> 00:27:15,350 S2: I reckon if it just dropped onto Netflix and I 576 00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:16,790 S2: watched it on like a Saturday afternoon, I'd be like, 577 00:27:16,790 --> 00:27:19,909 S2: that's pretty good Netflix film. But to go into it 578 00:27:19,910 --> 00:27:22,490 S2: with all the context of like Saltburn, one of the 579 00:27:22,490 --> 00:27:24,109 S2: buzziest films of the year, like, is there going to 580 00:27:24,109 --> 00:27:26,869 S2: be an Oscar? Like, is this the new Talented Mr. Ripley? Like, 581 00:27:26,869 --> 00:27:29,430 S2: there was so much hype around it that you can't, like, 582 00:27:29,450 --> 00:27:32,899 S2: leave that out. So that really changed things for me. Yeah, 583 00:27:32,900 --> 00:27:35,630 S2: I don't know. People just seem to be people wanted 584 00:27:35,630 --> 00:27:37,700 S2: so badly to like this film. And I think they're 585 00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:39,169 S2: like letting themselves do that. 586 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,270 S3: Okay, what would I tell people say that people would 587 00:27:41,270 --> 00:27:42,380 S3: like about this film? 588 00:27:42,590 --> 00:27:44,720 S2: Also, Jacob Elordi like hot as fuck. 589 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,300 S3: Yeah, it's true. But then like, I swear, at one 590 00:27:47,300 --> 00:27:49,399 S3: point there was a shot where he had like carpe 591 00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:51,530 S3: diem tattooed on his arm, and I was like, I 592 00:27:51,530 --> 00:27:55,190 S3: don't think a genuine Oxbridge guy is getting carpe diem 593 00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:57,920 S3: tattooed onto his arm. Like, there are a few things 594 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,500 S3: about his character that threw me, too. I think I 595 00:28:00,500 --> 00:28:04,220 S3: liked the I like, I like attractive people lazing, attractive 596 00:28:04,220 --> 00:28:06,620 S3: rich people lazing by the pool in summer with their 597 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,330 S3: linen shirts open. Yeah, that's what. 598 00:28:08,330 --> 00:28:09,950 S2: We all want for our lives, obviously. 599 00:28:09,950 --> 00:28:10,609 S3: Yeah, yeah. 600 00:28:10,609 --> 00:28:12,590 S1: But I also, I agree with you. I'm sorry I 601 00:28:12,590 --> 00:28:15,080 S1: asked you a question, Mel, and I'm interrupting you, but, like, 602 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,859 S1: I just the way you described it, I was like, yeah, 603 00:28:18,859 --> 00:28:20,899 S1: I will, I will tell people to watch Call Me 604 00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:22,729 S1: By Your Name in that instance, you know, which is 605 00:28:22,730 --> 00:28:26,750 S1: like hot people wearing linen shirts, lazing by the pool. 606 00:28:26,780 --> 00:28:29,960 S1: A lot of sexual tension done masterfully, unlike this one. 607 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,030 S2: Yes, and I do watching it. I think we spoke 608 00:28:32,030 --> 00:28:34,460 S2: about it after, like, I reckon Emerald Fennell's watch Call 609 00:28:34,460 --> 00:28:35,750 S2: Me By Your Name a few times. 610 00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:37,760 S3: Yeah, for sure there are. And I think actually in 611 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,459 S3: all of this there are like derivative elements, as we 612 00:28:40,460 --> 00:28:42,740 S3: were saying before, like there's this kind of pretty incredible 613 00:28:42,740 --> 00:28:45,470 S3: scene with the maze. And I was like, oh, Orlando 614 00:28:45,470 --> 00:28:48,200 S3: did this way better. Like, that was a great main scene. 615 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,350 S3: And then there's some incredible party shots at this castle. 616 00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:53,150 S3: And then I was like, oh, Baz, do this better 617 00:28:53,150 --> 00:28:56,120 S3: in Great Gatsby. So like, there are all these scenes 618 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,490 S3: which are pretty remarkable in themselves. But yeah, if you 619 00:28:58,490 --> 00:29:00,020 S3: don't want to go see this film, we can give 620 00:29:00,020 --> 00:29:02,690 S3: you a watch instead option for most of them. 621 00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:06,140 S1: Yeah. We basically have named like six films and books 622 00:29:06,140 --> 00:29:09,560 S1: that are more compelling and interesting than this one. The 623 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,780 S1: things that people said they liked, like, I think a 624 00:29:11,780 --> 00:29:13,760 S1: lot of people enjoy that I spoke. I mean, this 625 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,410 S1: is a funny review, isn't it? I'm just sort of 626 00:29:15,410 --> 00:29:17,780 S1: passing what other people said. I think it's because it's 627 00:29:17,780 --> 00:29:20,090 S1: unusual for the three of us to really not vibe it. 628 00:29:20,090 --> 00:29:23,480 S1: So I don't want to seem too dismissive of the 629 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,880 S1: fact that people do seem to like it. A lot 630 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,850 S1: of people liked some of the big swings that are 631 00:29:28,850 --> 00:29:31,070 S1: in this movie, and I don't really want to spoil them, 632 00:29:31,070 --> 00:29:33,890 S1: but there are a couple of like, sex scenes or 633 00:29:33,890 --> 00:29:38,000 S1: sex adjacent scenes that you know, you don't often see 634 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,580 S1: on on screen. And I think, you know, in a 635 00:29:40,580 --> 00:29:43,220 S1: year where there's been a lot of annoying discourse around, 636 00:29:43,220 --> 00:29:45,500 S1: do movies still ever need sex scenes? I think it's 637 00:29:45,500 --> 00:29:50,390 S1: nice to see a director and actors up for doing 638 00:29:50,390 --> 00:29:54,740 S1: something pretty interesting and wild. But again, like to me, 639 00:29:54,740 --> 00:29:58,040 S1: there was no cohesion to them. Like it was just 640 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,880 S1: I want a scene that will like go ballistic on Twitter. 641 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,220 S1: For this reason, I want a scene that will be like, 642 00:30:04,220 --> 00:30:07,880 S1: tick tock for this reason. And maybe that's just where 643 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,670 S1: we're at. And, you know, final is not like Gen Z, 644 00:30:10,670 --> 00:30:14,420 S1: but I think she's very across where the cultural conversation 645 00:30:14,420 --> 00:30:16,940 S1: is and how stuff is consumed. I think this movie 646 00:30:16,940 --> 00:30:19,130 S1: also has one of these things that you see in 647 00:30:19,130 --> 00:30:22,400 S1: a lot of films made for younger audiences. Now I 648 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,320 S1: call it kind of like the YouTube effect, right? Like 649 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,410 S1: if you watch a YouTube video, the first 30s or 650 00:30:27,410 --> 00:30:30,860 S1: a minute is basically like this montage snapshot of the 651 00:30:30,860 --> 00:30:33,650 S1: whole thing. So you're like, I know what's going to happen, 652 00:30:33,650 --> 00:30:35,150 S1: and I'm hooked, and I want to see it play 653 00:30:35,150 --> 00:30:37,850 S1: out over a period of time. This movie has that. 654 00:30:37,850 --> 00:30:40,400 S1: It starts with all of this stuff that you know 655 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:41,750 S1: is going to play out. It kind of tells you 656 00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:44,750 S1: the end before you've even seen it because of the 657 00:30:44,750 --> 00:30:47,000 S1: structure of it, and then you're kind of hooked and 658 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,530 S1: you're on your way. And I think that goes to 659 00:30:48,530 --> 00:30:50,959 S1: your point on this about maybe it's more of a 660 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,530 S1: streaming hit because as you're flicking through, you don't want 661 00:30:54,530 --> 00:30:58,880 S1: a slow burn film because you're being, like pulled in 662 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,130 S1: so many different directions. You want to sit down on 663 00:31:01,130 --> 00:31:03,410 S1: Netflix within a minute you're like. Wow, this movie is 664 00:31:03,410 --> 00:31:06,800 S1: going to have like violence, death, sex, potty scenes. Let's 665 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,590 S1: watch this whole thing unfold again. Like that's a legitimate 666 00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:11,480 S1: way to tell a story. But it's not a way 667 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,940 S1: that I really enjoy watching, particularly when I'm sitting down 668 00:31:13,940 --> 00:31:15,830 S1: in the cinema. That makes sense. Yeah, I. 669 00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:18,980 S3: Completely agree with you on that. And I think if 670 00:31:18,980 --> 00:31:21,830 S3: I really loved A Promising Young Woman, and I think 671 00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:24,410 S3: if we didn't come to this with such hype around 672 00:31:24,410 --> 00:31:26,600 S3: Emerald Fennell as a director and what she did with 673 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,270 S3: that film, and we just stumbled upon this one night 674 00:31:29,270 --> 00:31:32,480 S3: on Netflix, like, I'm sure that our kind of criticisms 675 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,450 S3: would be less less strong because maybe we would would 676 00:31:35,450 --> 00:31:37,790 S3: have had lesser expectations of it. 677 00:31:37,790 --> 00:31:40,100 S2: Yeah, for sure. And Promising Young Women was such a 678 00:31:40,100 --> 00:31:42,560 S2: great film. And the thing is, like, there are. So 679 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,200 S2: I mean, obviously she won like the best original Screenplay 680 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,330 S2: for that. Like it's famously good, but like, there are 681 00:31:47,330 --> 00:31:49,400 S2: so many things from that film where I'm like, oh, 682 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,510 S2: she really has tried to recreate some of that, but like, 683 00:31:53,510 --> 00:31:57,920 S2: it's turned out poorly. So like, yeah, I do. I 684 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,100 S2: think it's impossible with this film to ignore, like the 685 00:32:01,100 --> 00:32:05,120 S2: context around which it comes in to the viewing landscape 686 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,690 S2: because it has been so massively hyped. She's coming off winning, 687 00:32:08,690 --> 00:32:10,520 S2: you know, like an Oscar for her debut film. 688 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,370 S1: She's also nominated for Best Director for her debut, which 689 00:32:13,370 --> 00:32:13,970 S1: is extraordinary. 690 00:32:13,970 --> 00:32:16,820 S2: Yeah, she created killing Eve like she's she hasn't really 691 00:32:16,820 --> 00:32:20,600 S2: slipped up yet. Insert into that Barry Keoghan like star 692 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,160 S2: of one of the best films last year in Banshees 693 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,980 S2: of Inisherin. Jacob Elordi hottest actor in the world right 694 00:32:24,980 --> 00:32:29,060 S2: now Rosamund Pike. Like, it's just got every element. And 695 00:32:29,060 --> 00:32:31,280 S2: so it's set itself up, I think, for the fail. 696 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:32,630 S2: And that's why I also think, like so many of 697 00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:35,060 S2: the reviews, which I would say the reviews are right now, 698 00:32:35,060 --> 00:32:39,500 S2: like probably mixed skewing bad. So many of them are like, 699 00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:41,900 S2: oh damn, like such high hopes. 700 00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:45,290 S1: Yeah, I think that's right. I think Promising Young Woman 701 00:32:45,290 --> 00:32:49,820 S1: did so well commercially and critically. People really excited to 702 00:32:49,820 --> 00:32:53,510 S1: see where she takes things next. Maybe this is going 703 00:32:53,510 --> 00:32:56,360 S1: to sound like really mean the first time I watch 704 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,270 S1: promising a woman. I really liked it, and every time 705 00:32:59,270 --> 00:33:03,440 S1: I've watched it since then, I start to really question 706 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,010 S1: and wonder what exact point she's trying to tell. I 707 00:33:07,010 --> 00:33:10,550 S1: think that's a good looking movie with a great performance 708 00:33:10,550 --> 00:33:13,100 S1: at its core from Carey Mulligan and a couple of 709 00:33:13,100 --> 00:33:16,820 S1: great set pieces like that. Stars a blind sequence in 710 00:33:16,820 --> 00:33:20,300 S1: the convenience store is really fun. But yeah, I just 711 00:33:20,300 --> 00:33:23,390 S1: don't think that movie holds up as well as it 712 00:33:23,390 --> 00:33:26,060 S1: did when it first came out in 2020. And I 713 00:33:26,060 --> 00:33:28,910 S1: think you're right, Tom, is that she's leant into the 714 00:33:28,910 --> 00:33:32,720 S1: worst bits of that film for this one, or just 715 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,350 S1: tried to recreate moments rather than have something that you 716 00:33:36,350 --> 00:33:38,870 S1: really thought through. Like, one of the things I wanted 717 00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:41,630 S1: to talk about with Saltburn is this movie set in 2006, 718 00:33:41,630 --> 00:33:43,880 S1: and when that flashed up at the start, I thought, oh, 719 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,880 S1: this is interesting. Like, I wonder if she will use 720 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:51,140 S1: that time frame to talk about what social media or 721 00:33:51,140 --> 00:33:56,030 S1: technology was like, or create some particular sequence or plot 722 00:33:56,030 --> 00:33:59,690 S1: around 2006 versus 2023. Maybe she'll talk about like the 723 00:33:59,690 --> 00:34:01,880 S1: political environment at the time, like there at Oxbridge. Like 724 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,940 S1: it's reasonable that they'd be debating, you know, a bomber 725 00:34:04,940 --> 00:34:07,670 S1: or whatever, like who knows? And none of that was 726 00:34:07,670 --> 00:34:09,920 S1: in this movie. The only reason it seemed to be 727 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,649 S1: set in 2006 was so she could have the characters 728 00:34:12,650 --> 00:34:16,010 S1: reading Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows and have a 729 00:34:16,010 --> 00:34:20,900 S1: montage with Mgmt and Arcade Fire tracks and like, I 730 00:34:20,900 --> 00:34:23,060 S1: like those songs, I was there, I had a good time, 731 00:34:23,060 --> 00:34:26,030 S1: you know, singing along to Florida's Low, but it felt 732 00:34:26,030 --> 00:34:30,319 S1: like a really lazy attempt to activate, like millennial nostalgia. 733 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,560 S1: And again, just like throw some red meat to people 734 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,469 S1: on social media. I did not find that to be 735 00:34:36,469 --> 00:34:37,550 S1: smart or good at all. 736 00:34:37,550 --> 00:34:39,530 S2: Yeah, I found it really weird that there was no 737 00:34:39,530 --> 00:34:41,390 S2: like social media in this because, I mean, we all 738 00:34:41,390 --> 00:34:43,009 S2: kind of grew up in that era, and like, none 739 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,410 S2: of these people are, you know, even you maybe see 740 00:34:45,410 --> 00:34:49,069 S2: one phone once or something like a few times, maybe 741 00:34:49,070 --> 00:34:51,500 S2: like there are phones mentioned, but there's no talk of 742 00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:56,120 S2: like Facebook or like Myspace or anything like that. And yeah, 743 00:34:56,300 --> 00:34:58,820 S2: loves hearing the killers. Loved hearing Block Party. I did 744 00:34:58,820 --> 00:35:01,340 S2: see a funny thing where Emerald Fennell said in an 745 00:35:01,340 --> 00:35:04,340 S2: interview that she specifically chose not to, like, include Arctic 746 00:35:04,340 --> 00:35:06,350 S2: Monkeys because they're still too relevant. She only wanted to 747 00:35:06,350 --> 00:35:08,660 S2: include bands that, like, didn't make it out of the era, 748 00:35:08,660 --> 00:35:10,730 S2: which I thought was quite funny. But yeah, it was 749 00:35:10,730 --> 00:35:13,670 S2: very odd that it was kind of like ostensibly set 750 00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:16,520 S2: in 2006, but then also it felt at times like 751 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,069 S2: the family was from like the 1930 or something. Like 752 00:35:19,070 --> 00:35:19,910 S2: it was weird. 753 00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:21,650 S3: Yeah, I agree with you was I reckon it was 754 00:35:21,650 --> 00:35:24,589 S3: a way of nostalgia, gives everything a golden glow, and 755 00:35:24,590 --> 00:35:26,960 S3: it was a way of trying to bring the audience 756 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,359 S3: that glow through the soundtrack. And I also wonder if 757 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,660 S3: it was just a technical problem to like. She wanted 758 00:35:32,660 --> 00:35:35,150 S3: to create a sense of a close community. So you 759 00:35:35,150 --> 00:35:36,500 S3: put it not in now you put it in a 760 00:35:36,500 --> 00:35:38,989 S3: time where we kind of can't really remember exactly what 761 00:35:38,989 --> 00:35:41,090 S3: was going on then, but just the feeling of it, 762 00:35:41,090 --> 00:35:43,700 S3: which was all of our heydays of our youth. But 763 00:35:43,700 --> 00:35:45,259 S3: then she doesn't have to put it too far back 764 00:35:45,260 --> 00:35:47,420 S3: in the past, that she has to deal with historical 765 00:35:47,420 --> 00:35:49,910 S3: inaccuracies to too much of an extent. So I wonder 766 00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:52,160 S3: if it was just an easy way to get around 767 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,100 S3: that problem and also get the nostalgia effect. 768 00:35:55,219 --> 00:35:59,120 S1: Yeah, I actually find this trend of setting things in 769 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,509 S1: the 90s or 2000. It's really grating on me now. And. 770 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,400 S1: You know, I like dairy girls. I think Dairy Girls 771 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,500 S1: is a great story. Shows like class of nine, like, 772 00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:09,440 S1: there's lots of reasons why you would choose to do that, 773 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,719 S1: but I think it's gone on for a really long time. 774 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,670 S1: And now I think it's a crutch. And I think 775 00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:17,360 S1: what it reveals is a lot of directors or storytellers 776 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,839 S1: want to tell. A discrete story and not really grapple 777 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,759 S1: with the world that they are in at the moment. 778 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,070 S1: And I think that is a shame. I think, like, 779 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,290 S1: of course, Emerald Fennell doesn't have to make something I 780 00:36:28,290 --> 00:36:31,890 S1: wanted to make. But if she is a lauded, Oscar nominated, 781 00:36:31,890 --> 00:36:36,240 S1: Oscar winning writer director who wants to make a movie 782 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:41,040 S1: about class relations in the year 2023, I think it's 783 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,800 S1: a cop out to like, rewind this back to 2006, 784 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,620 S1: not have to grapple with anything happening in the world 785 00:36:46,620 --> 00:36:50,430 S1: right now. Basically, strip a movie of any kind of 786 00:36:50,430 --> 00:36:54,900 S1: real politics just to tell a story about a guy 787 00:36:54,900 --> 00:36:59,830 S1: who is confusingly jealous of and angry with. This other 788 00:36:59,830 --> 00:37:02,020 S1: guy that he now goes to the house like, that's 789 00:37:02,020 --> 00:37:03,819 S1: a really bad summary of the movie, but I but 790 00:37:03,820 --> 00:37:05,770 S1: I really I think that's when I try to think 791 00:37:05,770 --> 00:37:08,739 S1: about it. How would I describe what this movie is about? 792 00:37:08,830 --> 00:37:13,270 S1: And I really struggle with doing that. And I want 793 00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:16,900 S1: more from people like her, like I think they can 794 00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:19,060 S1: do more. Killing Eve was really good. There were bits 795 00:37:19,060 --> 00:37:22,000 S1: of Promising Woman that I still think are really good, 796 00:37:22,450 --> 00:37:25,870 S1: and I want to see smart people, given the resources 797 00:37:25,870 --> 00:37:28,390 S1: to tell us about the world that we live in now. 798 00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:31,420 S1: Like that is what really good art and cinema does. 799 00:37:31,420 --> 00:37:34,029 S1: And it was. I nearly groaned out loud when it 800 00:37:34,030 --> 00:37:36,880 S1: said oh six. I was like, oh really? Like, why 801 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,830 S1: are we 20 years ago? Like, who cares? 802 00:37:39,130 --> 00:37:41,380 S3: Yeah. Which was so different to Promising Young Woman in 803 00:37:41,380 --> 00:37:44,089 S3: a way which spoke felt like it was it was 804 00:37:44,110 --> 00:37:47,200 S3: trying to engage with the MeToo moment. Yeah. And there 805 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,089 S3: was I think there was a missed opportunity because there 806 00:37:49,090 --> 00:37:51,340 S3: is one kind of main person of color in this, 807 00:37:51,340 --> 00:37:55,000 S3: the Farley character. And she kind of danced. They dance 808 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,760 S3: around the fact that everyone else is white, and the 809 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,400 S3: system is set up to benefit white people, but she 810 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,830 S3: just wouldn't really go there. There fully. 811 00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:04,810 S1: Do we want to talk about the fact that Fennell 812 00:38:04,810 --> 00:38:08,650 S1: is herself like a very, very, very, very wealthy person? Well, I. 813 00:38:08,650 --> 00:38:10,960 S2: Was going to say, like, her father is like a 814 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:16,180 S2: super famous jeweler, and he's like an old boy from Eton, 815 00:38:16,180 --> 00:38:17,680 S2: which is like her father's. 816 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,530 S1: A jeweler and her name is Emerald. Like, that's a bit. 817 00:38:20,860 --> 00:38:23,560 S2: I know, but like, she's. Yeah, like she's like. And 818 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,840 S2: she grew up in, like, Hammersmith and Chelsea, like, these 819 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:26,930 S2: are like posh area. 820 00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:28,509 S3: She played Camilla on The Crown. 821 00:38:28,510 --> 00:38:30,520 S2: She did. And then her mother this is I found 822 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,940 S2: quite funny research. Her mother, Louise Fennell, is an author 823 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,200 S2: and she wrote this book called dead Rich, which is 824 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,620 S2: about Britain's favorite rich family. They are glamorous, rich, very, 825 00:38:41,620 --> 00:38:45,370 S2: very rich, and they live in a series of exquisite houses, 826 00:38:45,370 --> 00:38:47,440 S2: but they hide a darker reality. So it's like she's 827 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,469 S2: written like a shit version of Saltburn. I think her 828 00:38:50,469 --> 00:38:52,299 S2: books are not like, you know, they're not the type 829 00:38:52,300 --> 00:38:54,430 S2: of books that Mel would read. Mel would put them 830 00:38:54,430 --> 00:38:57,729 S2: on the free table at work. But yeah, like she's 831 00:38:57,730 --> 00:39:00,730 S2: from like, you know, I guess to use a Saltburn term, 832 00:39:00,730 --> 00:39:02,650 S2: she's from good stock, you know. And so that's what 833 00:39:02,650 --> 00:39:04,839 S2: I think again. And maybe we should kind of get 834 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,960 S2: into semi spoiler territory. Now when we look at like 835 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,880 S2: what this film is trying to say, the messaging, it 836 00:39:10,900 --> 00:39:14,470 S2: even gets murkier or like clouds up further when you 837 00:39:14,469 --> 00:39:18,310 S2: look at where she comes from and like, who is 838 00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:19,420 S2: the butt of this joke? 839 00:39:20,190 --> 00:39:23,130 S1: Yeah, let's do that. Let's, um, let's flag if you 840 00:39:23,130 --> 00:39:26,550 S1: haven't seen Sopa and we will ruin key scenes and 841 00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:30,000 S1: the ending. Now come back in five minutes for our 842 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:44,190 S1: conversations about the curse and various other things. Okay, so 843 00:39:44,219 --> 00:39:48,030 S1: maybe let's just start with like our thoughts on those 844 00:39:48,030 --> 00:39:50,290 S1: scenes before we talk about the end. 845 00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:51,960 S3: Will you describe them to us first? 846 00:39:52,140 --> 00:39:55,410 S1: I'm happy to. I'm not queasy about talking about this 847 00:39:55,410 --> 00:39:56,160 S1: sort of stuff. We can. 848 00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:00,000 S2: Go. Well. How many? There's three scenes would do. One each. Yeah. 849 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:00,420 S5: Cool. 850 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,089 S3: All right. I'll see you get first go. 851 00:40:03,180 --> 00:40:07,230 S1: I'll do the first one, I guess. So there is 852 00:40:07,230 --> 00:40:13,020 S1: a scene where Oliver Barry, Ken's character, has a romantic 853 00:40:13,020 --> 00:40:16,709 S1: encounter with Felix's sister. She's trying to seduce him. She's 854 00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:20,250 S1: wearing like a see through nightie, and he goes to 855 00:40:20,250 --> 00:40:23,640 S1: find her underneath his window and they start fooling around 856 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,439 S1: and she says, oh, you know, it's like that time 857 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,350 S1: of the month. And he's like, why do you think 858 00:40:28,350 --> 00:40:31,380 S1: that bothers me? And they kind of go for it, 859 00:40:31,380 --> 00:40:33,930 S1: you know? And it gets pretty bloody. And his face 860 00:40:33,930 --> 00:40:35,550 S1: is covered in blood and his hands are covered in blood. 861 00:40:35,550 --> 00:40:37,529 S1: And he rubs the blood on her face and it's 862 00:40:37,530 --> 00:40:40,770 S1: on his face. My issue with this scene is not 863 00:40:40,770 --> 00:40:42,509 S1: that it's a sex scene. It's not that it's even 864 00:40:42,510 --> 00:40:45,840 S1: a particularly like, kind of graphic sex scene. Fair play, 865 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,480 S1: the movie that you and I talked about earlier this year, Thomas, 866 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,200 S1: that has a similar scene where there's a sex moment 867 00:40:52,230 --> 00:40:54,810 S1: between two characters and she's on a period and it's 868 00:40:54,810 --> 00:40:57,540 S1: a little bit weird, but for some reason, that one 869 00:40:57,540 --> 00:41:01,200 S1: I found to be like quite sexy, quite funny, quite cheeky, like, 870 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,330 S1: like really interesting way of doing it. This just seemed 871 00:41:03,330 --> 00:41:06,030 S1: like Finnell was like, I'm going to shock people for 872 00:41:06,030 --> 00:41:08,850 S1: the sake of shocking people. This doesn't really make sense 873 00:41:08,850 --> 00:41:11,759 S1: in the context of Barry Cullen's character. Like he has 874 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,100 S1: spent the first half of this movie kind of being 875 00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:17,940 S1: an incel, like not being able to get girls, which 876 00:41:17,940 --> 00:41:20,460 S1: is sort of why he's enamored with Felix. Women don't 877 00:41:20,460 --> 00:41:22,110 S1: want to hang out with him. They make fun of him. 878 00:41:22,110 --> 00:41:25,320 S1: Then all of a sudden he's this, like, super sexually 879 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,779 S1: fucked up guy, kind of like the weekend from the 880 00:41:27,780 --> 00:41:32,100 S1: idol who's just like, let's go. So incoherent character motivation 881 00:41:32,250 --> 00:41:35,040 S1: through a scene that I didn't think was fun or 882 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,890 S1: sexy and just there to shock. That's my take on that. 883 00:41:37,890 --> 00:41:41,009 S3: One and completely agree with you that his character is 884 00:41:41,010 --> 00:41:45,180 S3: completely inconsistent, and the development of that character is it 885 00:41:45,180 --> 00:41:47,340 S3: doesn't make any logical sense. And that is one of 886 00:41:47,340 --> 00:41:49,350 S3: the real flaws of this. I just found it. 887 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:54,130 S2: Like. Period six is the thing. 888 00:41:54,489 --> 00:41:55,420 S3: Oh, dear. 889 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,910 S2: Here we go. No, but it is the thing that 890 00:41:57,910 --> 00:42:00,430 S2: people like. It's a big talking point. And again, I 891 00:42:00,430 --> 00:42:04,210 S2: feel like Emerald Fennell has purposely included this, but like. Yeah, 892 00:42:04,210 --> 00:42:05,469 S2: what you said is so true. I mean, like the 893 00:42:05,469 --> 00:42:07,480 S2: fair play thing, it did like, make it kind of 894 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,630 S2: like sexy and interesting, like way to frame that and 895 00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:12,640 S2: make people think about it. Whereas this was like it 896 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,490 S2: was like she was trying to gross you out with it. 897 00:42:15,489 --> 00:42:18,370 S2: Like in terms of it was very especially when, like, 898 00:42:18,370 --> 00:42:20,170 S2: he's putting the blood on her face because he's like, 899 00:42:20,170 --> 00:42:22,360 S2: I mean, let's be honest, he's like going down on her. 900 00:42:22,540 --> 00:42:24,640 S2: It's not just like they're having sex. And then he 901 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,400 S2: puts the blood on her face and it's so like 902 00:42:28,330 --> 00:42:30,759 S2: they linger so long on that scene. And I think 903 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,100 S2: there's like, you know, there's kind of like all sorts 904 00:42:33,100 --> 00:42:36,339 S2: of stuff going on. And it it forces you to 905 00:42:36,340 --> 00:42:38,860 S2: just be grossed out by something that's not grow. It's 906 00:42:38,860 --> 00:42:40,839 S2: like it's like it's doing the inverse of what I 907 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,420 S2: think she was trying to do. That's how I read it. 908 00:42:43,540 --> 00:42:45,550 S1: No, I think that's right. And like, we'll talk about 909 00:42:45,550 --> 00:42:47,469 S1: this when we get into these other specific scenes. But 910 00:42:47,469 --> 00:42:50,680 S1: overall this movie is like very anti-sex in a way. 911 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,279 S1: Like there's something very not sexy or like romantic about 912 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,259 S1: any of it. And it's kind of the same Promising 913 00:42:56,260 --> 00:42:58,660 S1: Young Woman. Obviously, the politics of that movie are clear, 914 00:42:58,660 --> 00:43:00,370 S1: but there's a lot of sex in that movie. It's 915 00:43:00,370 --> 00:43:05,290 S1: all pretty violent and anxiety inducing and like, abrupt and cold. 916 00:43:05,290 --> 00:43:07,419 S1: And it's the same in this movie. Even when characters 917 00:43:07,420 --> 00:43:10,270 S1: are seemingly attracted to each other, you end up feeling 918 00:43:10,270 --> 00:43:13,330 S1: repulsed and repelled by it. And I wonder what's going 919 00:43:13,330 --> 00:43:16,759 S1: on there with her. Like why she seems so. Trying 920 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,799 S1: to make the point that, like sex is bad and 921 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,310 S1: like you should feel grossed out by it. Which brings 922 00:43:22,310 --> 00:43:25,310 S1: us probably to the next scene. Yes. 923 00:43:25,310 --> 00:43:27,920 S2: So the next scene, that's one of the scenes of 924 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,020 S2: the film. We've kind of been set up that all 925 00:43:30,020 --> 00:43:33,620 S2: of our Barry Kierans character is obsessed with Felix Jacob Elordi. And, 926 00:43:33,620 --> 00:43:36,410 S2: you know, they've arrived at Saltburn. They're they're in two 927 00:43:36,410 --> 00:43:40,160 S2: separate bedrooms, but sharing a joint bathroom. And one night 928 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:45,500 S2: before Oliver goes to bed, he spies Felix in the 929 00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:47,840 S2: bath and he can hear some kind of rustling. And 930 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,200 S2: as we follow all of his character, we see Felix 931 00:43:51,530 --> 00:43:55,759 S2: pleasuring himself in the bath. Like Felix is masturbating. He comes, 932 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,940 S2: and then he leaves the bathroom, and then all of 933 00:43:58,940 --> 00:44:01,520 S2: his character creeps in, kind of like runs his hands 934 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,469 S2: through the bathwater. The bath water is like running down 935 00:44:03,469 --> 00:44:07,700 S2: the drain, and then he basically slurps up the remnants 936 00:44:07,700 --> 00:44:12,469 S2: of the bathwater, which is mixed with Felix's ejaculate. And again, 937 00:44:12,770 --> 00:44:15,230 S2: like the camera zooms in so close to watch Barry 938 00:44:15,230 --> 00:44:19,130 S2: Keoghan like drinking. This guy's like second hand cum, which 939 00:44:19,130 --> 00:44:21,920 S2: is just like, again, like the audience reaction in the 940 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,060 S2: screening I was in was just like. Chaos, but like 941 00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:29,060 S2: it felt to me. And we discussed this earlier. We 942 00:44:29,060 --> 00:44:31,310 S2: talked about Call Me By Your Name and, and I 943 00:44:31,310 --> 00:44:33,529 S2: feel like that was an important film for Emerald Fennell 944 00:44:33,530 --> 00:44:36,620 S2: that famously had, you know, the peach scene where Timothee Chalamet, like, 945 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,610 S2: ejaculates into a peach, but it's like actually pretty beautiful. 946 00:44:40,610 --> 00:44:42,140 S2: And like there's something to that. 947 00:44:42,290 --> 00:44:44,140 S1: That's a hot and romantic scene. 948 00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:47,629 S2: Yes. And like you like and does like great PR 949 00:44:47,630 --> 00:44:50,419 S2: for peaches. But like you came out of that scene thinking, okay, 950 00:44:50,420 --> 00:44:51,890 S2: this is like, I get it. And that was kind 951 00:44:51,890 --> 00:44:55,190 S2: of sexy and like, I'm into it. This I felt 952 00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:57,560 S2: like was like her version of that. And again, like 953 00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,590 S2: opposite effect. It was it was like gross. Yeah. 954 00:45:00,590 --> 00:45:03,140 S3: And I don't know if like this one stuck like 955 00:45:03,140 --> 00:45:07,100 S3: felt more in character with Oliver than the period sex scene. 956 00:45:07,100 --> 00:45:09,200 S3: Like if they were trying to paint a picture of 957 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:10,310 S3: him as kind of a bit. 958 00:45:10,310 --> 00:45:11,750 S1: Yeah, a bit pathetic and obsessed. 959 00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:13,969 S3: Yeah, it did more of that. And I mean, I 960 00:45:13,969 --> 00:45:16,130 S3: guess it's just the kind of talented Mr. Ripley. Tom 961 00:45:16,130 --> 00:45:20,870 S3: Ripley wearing Dickies clothes taken to the nth degree. Yeah, 962 00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:22,759 S3: I don't, but then he also did a lot of 963 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,640 S3: tonguing around the drain as well. Yeah. So it did 964 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,110 S3: take it a bit far and I just didn't. I 965 00:45:27,110 --> 00:45:28,520 S3: also didn't really know what he was getting out of 966 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,069 S3: that because like there wasn't that much bathwater left. Like 967 00:45:31,070 --> 00:45:32,240 S3: he was really getting the dregs. 968 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:33,980 S1: I mean, and even I'm glad you brought up Ripley. 969 00:45:33,980 --> 00:45:36,890 S1: So there is like a very similar bath scene in 970 00:45:36,890 --> 00:45:39,440 S1: that movie where Matt Damon's character, who's obsessed with Jude 971 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,169 S1: Law and it's basically Matt Damon, is Oliver and Jude 972 00:45:42,170 --> 00:45:44,990 S1: Law as Felix, and they're playing chess and drools in 973 00:45:44,989 --> 00:45:47,480 S1: the bath. And Damon says, you know, oh, can I 974 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,940 S1: get in? And Jude Law looks at him like disgusted. 975 00:45:49,940 --> 00:45:52,370 S1: And there's like this tension. He's disgusted, but he's thinking 976 00:45:52,370 --> 00:45:55,910 S1: about it. He's like, no, that's disgusting. And Damon says, well, 977 00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:58,100 S1: not with you in it. And he gets out. And 978 00:45:58,100 --> 00:46:00,740 S1: then Damon gets in his bathwater and like, looks at 979 00:46:00,739 --> 00:46:03,469 S1: Jude Laws but in the mirror. And that's interesting because 980 00:46:03,469 --> 00:46:05,120 S1: you get the same idea. You get this sort of 981 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,910 S1: pathetic guy who's obsessed. You get that sense of tension. 982 00:46:08,330 --> 00:46:12,589 S1: But it's done quite beautifully and interestingly and sexily. As 983 00:46:12,590 --> 00:46:16,010 S1: weird as it is, this movie again, that none of 984 00:46:16,010 --> 00:46:17,420 S1: that was there in this scene. 985 00:46:17,630 --> 00:46:20,480 S3: That's true. And then it culminates in this third scene, 986 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,419 S3: which I think here we go. This point in the movie, 987 00:46:23,420 --> 00:46:25,940 S3: this actually really I kind of laughed out loud. I 988 00:46:25,940 --> 00:46:28,009 S3: was like, okay, like, we've gone here. 989 00:46:28,010 --> 00:46:29,960 S1: Yeah, we've lost the plot. Everyone has lost their minds 990 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,300 S1: making this movie, watching this movie, what is going on? Yeah. 991 00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:33,920 S3: And it kind of really made me tap out for 992 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,880 S3: the last third of the movie because I just thought, yeah, 993 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,360 S3: I just didn't really understand it. So this is Jacob 994 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,750 S3: Elordi has died. Felix has died at the hands of 995 00:46:44,750 --> 00:46:49,580 S3: Oliver Quick. And he is buried. Yeah. He's buried. He's 996 00:46:49,580 --> 00:46:53,540 S3: in his grave. The dirt is fresh on the mound. 997 00:46:53,540 --> 00:46:56,270 S3: Oliver goes on to it and he's sad. And he 998 00:46:56,270 --> 00:46:59,089 S3: lays on the grave very dirty. And he starts to cry. 999 00:46:59,090 --> 00:47:01,670 S3: And I thought, okay, okay. And then he gets a 1000 00:47:01,670 --> 00:47:04,100 S3: bit cuddly, cuddles the grave, and then he takes off 1001 00:47:04,100 --> 00:47:06,500 S3: your shirt and I was like, okay, all right, all right. 1002 00:47:06,500 --> 00:47:08,180 S3: We're going to get maybe we're getting a bit nude here. 1003 00:47:08,180 --> 00:47:12,560 S3: That's cool. And then alas, we do not stop there. 1004 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:17,210 S3: He then I believe, removes his well, he opens his fly, 1005 00:47:17,210 --> 00:47:19,940 S3: the penis comes out, and then he appears to be. 1006 00:47:19,940 --> 00:47:23,060 S3: I don't want to call it making love to the grave. 1007 00:47:23,690 --> 00:47:26,060 S3: He is then having sex with the grave or. 1008 00:47:26,060 --> 00:47:28,460 S1: Liking the jerking, I should say the grave, because that's 1009 00:47:28,460 --> 00:47:29,359 S1: what he's doing. Yeah, he. 1010 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,000 S3: Is fucking the grave and like, which is just a 1011 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,779 S3: mound of dirt at this point. And it is just 1012 00:47:35,780 --> 00:47:38,780 S3: not a scene that really it was very hard to understand. 1013 00:47:38,780 --> 00:47:42,080 S3: It went on for a long time. It felt ludicrous 1014 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,690 S3: and silly, not meaningful, but it didn't feel like it 1015 00:47:44,690 --> 00:47:48,469 S3: was intentionally meant to be funny. It just felt silly 1016 00:47:48,469 --> 00:47:49,040 S3: to me. 1017 00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:50,780 S1: Yeah, I'm glad you said it went on for a 1018 00:47:50,780 --> 00:47:52,340 S1: long time. That's the other thing all three of these 1019 00:47:52,340 --> 00:47:54,560 S1: have in common is that they all go on way 1020 00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,840 S1: too long, like the point's been made. And now it's 1021 00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,820 S1: just like, come on, this is not fun. This is 1022 00:47:58,820 --> 00:48:01,850 S1: not exciting. This is weird. And it's just dragging. 1023 00:48:02,090 --> 00:48:03,739 S2: Yeah. And again, these are the ones that will probably 1024 00:48:03,739 --> 00:48:05,780 S2: end up like on TikTok and stuff because people will 1025 00:48:05,780 --> 00:48:07,700 S2: be like, oh my God. And then they'll be like 1026 00:48:07,700 --> 00:48:11,390 S2: some like 15 year old reacting to the grave fucking scene, 1027 00:48:11,390 --> 00:48:14,060 S2: and then that'll go viral and like etcetera. 1028 00:48:14,060 --> 00:48:17,029 S3: But then like there is some merit directors in holding 1029 00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:19,670 S3: something back. Right? Like even if she had just stopped 1030 00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:22,220 S3: at him kind of doing the weird but intimate cuddle 1031 00:48:22,219 --> 00:48:25,760 S3: of the grave mound, like that would have been enough 1032 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,330 S3: and probably more poignant than to go all the way. 1033 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:30,170 S6: Out of. 1034 00:48:30,170 --> 00:48:32,150 S1: Everyone in this movie. I feel the most sorry for 1035 00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:34,790 S1: Barry Keoghan because I think he's a really good actor. 1036 00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:37,549 S1: I think he tries really hard in this movie and 1037 00:48:37,550 --> 00:48:41,450 S1: final like pushes him to the limit, right? Like drinking 1038 00:48:41,450 --> 00:48:44,510 S1: the bath water, fucking a grave. That scene at the 1039 00:48:44,510 --> 00:48:46,970 S1: end where he's nude and you see his penis and 1040 00:48:46,969 --> 00:48:49,250 S1: he's dancing to murder on the dance floor like he's 1041 00:48:49,250 --> 00:48:51,290 S1: going for it. And he's like, put in a lot 1042 00:48:51,290 --> 00:48:54,020 S1: of work. He's pretty ripped in this film. Like, I 1043 00:48:54,020 --> 00:48:56,839 S1: think he's trying really hard. I just think all these, 1044 00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,890 S1: the script, the directing cues just do not land at all. 1045 00:49:00,890 --> 00:49:03,440 S1: And we mentioned at the very start of this convo, 1046 00:49:03,469 --> 00:49:06,259 S1: this film was getting like Oscar buzz for the script, 1047 00:49:06,260 --> 00:49:09,290 S1: potentially for the directing, for the performances of Barry that 1048 00:49:09,290 --> 00:49:12,950 S1: is evaporated. Like no one serious thinks that anyone in 1049 00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:16,160 S1: this movie is going to get anything. Maybe like in 1050 00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,310 S1: the crafts for production design, for Soul Burn and costuming 1051 00:49:19,310 --> 00:49:22,549 S1: or something like that. But I feel bad for him. 1052 00:49:22,550 --> 00:49:25,489 S3: So do I. And like I feel and I don't 1053 00:49:25,489 --> 00:49:27,800 S3: know if it was intentional, like, was he meant to 1054 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,040 S3: be this kind of blank character that we can't really 1055 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,910 S3: understand the intentions? Because if it was intentional, it didn't work. 1056 00:49:34,910 --> 00:49:37,880 S3: But otherwise, I do feel like the directing means that 1057 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,700 S3: you don't understand why he's doing anything. And like we're 1058 00:49:40,700 --> 00:49:43,730 S3: talking about Talented Mr. Ripley in that film, they make 1059 00:49:43,730 --> 00:49:48,020 S3: you understand Matt Damon's motivations so clearly, and we're smitten 1060 00:49:48,020 --> 00:49:51,890 S3: by Dickie Lord's characters and we understand Matt Damon's resentment, 1061 00:49:51,890 --> 00:49:54,109 S3: and they build it up slowly and steadily how he 1062 00:49:54,110 --> 00:49:56,270 S3: kind of falls for Jude Law, how he gets kicked 1063 00:49:56,270 --> 00:49:59,420 S3: out of the limelight and then feels resentful. We understand it, 1064 00:49:59,420 --> 00:50:02,900 S3: but there is just not that consistent, clear pacing and 1065 00:50:02,900 --> 00:50:05,779 S3: story in this film, so you don't really understand all 1066 00:50:05,780 --> 00:50:07,310 S3: of it quick at the end of it, which is 1067 00:50:07,310 --> 00:50:08,750 S3: a shame for for Barry. 1068 00:50:09,110 --> 00:50:10,880 S2: Yeah. And I mean, this is what it brings back 1069 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,280 S2: to the whole messaging of this film. Like, I don't 1070 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,130 S2: at the end of like when the end credits roll, 1071 00:50:16,130 --> 00:50:19,430 S2: I kind of felt bad for like, Felix and his family. 1072 00:50:19,580 --> 00:50:21,439 S1: Yeah, yeah. So let's talk about what happens. Right. So 1073 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,989 S1: so the start of the film was sort of told 1074 00:50:23,989 --> 00:50:27,770 S1: that Oliver is the scholarship kid whose parents are really poor. 1075 00:50:27,770 --> 00:50:30,380 S1: His dad's a drug dealer, his mom is an addict. 1076 00:50:30,380 --> 00:50:33,560 S1: And he's like, you know, escape that to come to 1077 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,839 S1: Oxford at the end of the movie, we realized that's 1078 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,390 S1: all a lie. His parents are just like, seemingly nice 1079 00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:41,630 S1: middle class people, and he's confected all of this to 1080 00:50:41,630 --> 00:50:45,050 S1: get close to Felix and like, worm his way in. 1081 00:50:45,050 --> 00:50:48,440 S1: It's then revealed that he has been knocking off members 1082 00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,590 S1: of the family one by one to somehow end up 1083 00:50:51,590 --> 00:50:55,580 S1: with Saltburn. Honestly, none of that makes sense. Like, none 1084 00:50:55,610 --> 00:50:58,850 S1: of the decisions made make any sense to me. I 1085 00:50:58,850 --> 00:51:01,130 S1: agree with you, Thomas. Like by the end of the movie, 1086 00:51:01,130 --> 00:51:03,950 S1: there's a little bit about these rich people being annoying 1087 00:51:03,950 --> 00:51:06,170 S1: and dismissive of their friends and like a little bit 1088 00:51:06,170 --> 00:51:08,780 S1: dismissive to their help. But by the end of it, 1089 00:51:08,780 --> 00:51:11,000 S1: I'm like, none of these people have done anything bad 1090 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,790 S1: enough to warrant being killed, that, like some of them 1091 00:51:13,790 --> 00:51:18,739 S1: are killed in extremely violent ways, and Kaitlyn's character just 1092 00:51:18,739 --> 00:51:22,400 S1: is revealed to be total psychopath and he wins. And 1093 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,070 S1: I'm like, I feel sorry for the rich people he killed. 1094 00:51:25,070 --> 00:51:27,470 S1: So therefore this is not really a satire about them anymore. 1095 00:51:27,500 --> 00:51:30,380 S1: This is a story about a middle class guy who 1096 00:51:30,380 --> 00:51:32,360 S1: lied and just killed a bunch of rich people, who 1097 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,540 S1: is clearly has something really wrong with him. And if 1098 00:51:35,540 --> 00:51:37,460 S1: that's the point of the movie, that is a shit point, 1099 00:51:37,460 --> 00:51:38,629 S1: I'm sorry to say completely. 1100 00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:41,180 S3: And the revelation that he's not poor and he seems 1101 00:51:41,180 --> 00:51:43,969 S3: to just be from quite a nice middle class family 1102 00:51:43,969 --> 00:51:45,680 S3: where his mum and dad love him and make him 1103 00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,870 S3: birthday cakes and they really want to hear from him 1104 00:51:47,870 --> 00:51:50,060 S3: and they're really proud of him. Like he's not even 1105 00:51:50,060 --> 00:51:53,420 S3: got a bad upbringing to kind of explain in a 1106 00:51:53,420 --> 00:51:55,340 S3: socioeconomic way his actions. 1107 00:51:55,340 --> 00:51:57,140 S2: Yeah. And like we've talked a lot about thrillers on 1108 00:51:57,140 --> 00:51:58,819 S2: this part and like we all love thrillers. But if 1109 00:51:58,820 --> 00:52:00,620 S2: the big reveal in your thriller is that the main 1110 00:52:00,620 --> 00:52:02,630 S2: character is a psychopath, but we've been hiding that from you, 1111 00:52:02,630 --> 00:52:03,739 S2: and now we're going to quickly show you all the 1112 00:52:03,739 --> 00:52:05,660 S2: times we hid it from you. That's not like a 1113 00:52:05,660 --> 00:52:08,239 S2: good reveal. Yeah. When that happened towards the end of 1114 00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,509 S2: the movie, we basically get like a, like a 62nd 1115 00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:14,089 S2: refresh of different moments from earlier in the film. But 1116 00:52:14,090 --> 00:52:15,709 S2: we get like, the behind the scenes look to show 1117 00:52:15,710 --> 00:52:19,200 S2: what Barry Keenan's character really did. Like, you know, these like, 1118 00:52:19,250 --> 00:52:23,209 S2: engineering different meetings with Felix lies he told like crazy 1119 00:52:23,210 --> 00:52:25,430 S2: acts from this psychopath that we didn't know was a psychopath. 1120 00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:27,110 S2: But like, well, of course we didn't know because they 1121 00:52:27,110 --> 00:52:29,420 S2: were hidden from us. And now you're just, like, giving 1122 00:52:29,420 --> 00:52:32,480 S2: us all this exposition about it. And the end result 1123 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,400 S2: is he's just crazy. Yeah, but. 1124 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,200 S1: Even if we didn't know, like, you know, we didn't know. 1125 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,560 S1: For example, he deflated the bike tyre to get to 1126 00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,140 S1: meet Felix. Originally, you got the sense that something was 1127 00:52:42,140 --> 00:52:44,150 S1: wrong with this character and he was involved. You kind 1128 00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:47,089 S1: of already knew that. And Finnell then is like, oh, 1129 00:52:47,090 --> 00:52:48,950 S1: I'm lifting the lid on this just in case. As 1130 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,340 S1: you thought. He was a good guy. He's a bad guy. 1131 00:52:51,340 --> 00:52:53,350 S1: I'm like, you think you're a step ahead of us? 1132 00:52:53,350 --> 00:52:55,690 S1: But we've figured most of this out, and all the 1133 00:52:55,690 --> 00:52:59,410 S1: things you're revealing to us now are inconsequential or lame. 1134 00:52:59,410 --> 00:53:01,960 S1: Because I do like a bit of ambiguity. Like, I 1135 00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,950 S1: felt pretty confident that he was responsible for a bunch 1136 00:53:05,950 --> 00:53:08,470 S1: of stuff. When it's revealed that he's lying about his family, 1137 00:53:08,469 --> 00:53:11,319 S1: that's enough of a reveal to understand that he's up 1138 00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,900 S1: to no good. And then being like, not only will 1139 00:53:13,900 --> 00:53:16,509 S1: we show you killing these people will even show you him. 1140 00:53:16,510 --> 00:53:19,690 S1: Like using the razor blades will show him putting the 1141 00:53:19,690 --> 00:53:23,440 S1: drugs in the champagne. It just. It's deflating rather than 1142 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:24,490 S1: like a revelation. 1143 00:53:24,489 --> 00:53:28,750 S2: Yeah, definitely the final third, I think. Like, by the 1144 00:53:28,750 --> 00:53:30,400 S2: time we got to the very last scene of the 1145 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,310 S2: film features Barry. And is that a prosthetic? I think 1146 00:53:33,310 --> 00:53:34,180 S2: it might be a prosthetic. 1147 00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,220 S1: And are you looking at mouth mean? 1148 00:53:36,660 --> 00:53:37,200 S2: No, because. 1149 00:53:37,210 --> 00:53:39,050 S3: I mean, it might not be. I think it could. 1150 00:53:39,070 --> 00:53:40,060 S3: I think there was there was. 1151 00:53:40,060 --> 00:53:41,010 S2: Some prosthetic chest. 1152 00:53:41,350 --> 00:53:42,310 S3: Kind of situation. No. 1153 00:53:42,310 --> 00:53:45,460 S2: Yeah. But basically dancing through the House to that great 1154 00:53:45,460 --> 00:53:48,130 S2: song by Sophie Baxter. But by the time that came, 1155 00:53:48,130 --> 00:53:50,710 S2: I was just like, I was getting me out here, man. 1156 00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:53,290 S3: I loved that scene. Just not in this film. Like, 1157 00:53:53,290 --> 00:53:55,359 S3: I was like, that's a really cool. I like the 1158 00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,120 S3: idea of it. I like the vibe, I like the moves. 1159 00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,000 S3: I really loved that. And then it just didn't work 1160 00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:01,779 S3: in this film. 1161 00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,250 S1: Yeah definitely. It's a nice like again he's taking a 1162 00:54:05,250 --> 00:54:08,759 S1: big swing to his opponent and it's a fun song 1163 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,480 S1: and it's a fun saying. It didn't it annoyed me 1164 00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,700 S1: because it's like a waste. It's like if I'm seeing 1165 00:54:14,700 --> 00:54:18,000 S1: an actor I really like do something that mad and 1166 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,060 S1: out there. I want it to mean something. And in interviews, 1167 00:54:21,070 --> 00:54:23,730 S1: finals been like, yeah, I really wanted that to show 1168 00:54:23,730 --> 00:54:26,280 S1: how like he owned the house, like the house was 1169 00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,340 S1: his now. And I'm like, great. It's not really a metaphor. 1170 00:54:29,340 --> 00:54:32,910 S1: If he's literally just naked running around the house, that's 1171 00:54:32,910 --> 00:54:35,460 S1: you're not kind of showing it as much as you 1172 00:54:35,460 --> 00:54:37,650 S1: were just telling us that he now owns the house. 1173 00:54:37,650 --> 00:54:40,020 S3: Yeah. And he at the end is as evil as 1174 00:54:40,020 --> 00:54:42,210 S3: the evil people he killed who. 1175 00:54:42,210 --> 00:54:42,900 S2: Aren't really that evil. 1176 00:54:42,900 --> 00:54:43,590 S5: But yeah. 1177 00:54:43,590 --> 00:54:47,280 S3: So maybe she's criticizing the pretension to like, class jump, 1178 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:48,090 S3: which is. 1179 00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:50,370 S1: I think I think it's really nice, Mel, that you 1180 00:54:50,370 --> 00:54:52,440 S1: were trying to figure out all the smart things this 1181 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,989 S1: movie could be about. I'm not convinced it is about 1182 00:54:54,989 --> 00:54:55,739 S1: any of those things. 1183 00:54:55,739 --> 00:54:57,629 S3: Yeah, I think we should all just go home and watch, like, 1184 00:54:57,630 --> 00:55:00,810 S3: Call Me by your name, Talented Mr. Ripley. Brideshead. Exactly. 1185 00:55:00,810 --> 00:55:01,500 S5: Yeah, yeah. 1186 00:55:01,500 --> 00:55:04,080 S1: Those are three great movies. If if you're wondering, like, 1187 00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,390 S1: what we're talking about were just boring old people who 1188 00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:09,090 S1: want to watch old movies. Those. Those are three really 1189 00:55:09,090 --> 00:55:12,000 S1: good ones to watch. Like, set aside a few hours 1190 00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,380 S1: on a weekend. It hit them all. You have a 1191 00:55:13,380 --> 00:55:14,040 S1: better time. 1192 00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,469 S3: What do you reckon Jim Chalmers take would be on Saltburn? 1193 00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:22,710 S1: Let's not do that. Well, from something not great to 1194 00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:25,650 S1: something that I think the three of us are really 1195 00:55:25,650 --> 00:55:30,239 S1: vibing at the moment. Let's talk about the curse second episode. 1196 00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,250 S1: We covered the first episode last week. This is the 1197 00:55:32,250 --> 00:55:35,580 S1: new show from Nathan Fielder of The Rehearsal and Nathan 1198 00:55:35,580 --> 00:55:39,239 S1: For You fame and Emma Stone. The show is getting 1199 00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:43,170 S1: both weirder and more compelling. In my opinion. The first 1200 00:55:43,469 --> 00:55:46,680 S1: EP was more. It seemed like an overt satire on 1201 00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:50,580 S1: this like strain of home renovation focused reality shows. The 1202 00:55:50,580 --> 00:55:54,090 S1: second episode, just like, blows everything out of the water. 1203 00:55:54,090 --> 00:55:57,780 S1: It's like taking aim at the contemporary art world the 1204 00:55:57,780 --> 00:56:01,110 S1: way that rich white people use, like proximity to art, 1205 00:56:01,110 --> 00:56:04,469 S1: particularly art made by marginalized people, in this case like 1206 00:56:04,469 --> 00:56:08,340 S1: Native Americans, to bolster their credentials. There's this crazy subplot 1207 00:56:08,340 --> 00:56:11,850 S1: that is kind of like a casino heist, but totally absurd. 1208 00:56:12,180 --> 00:56:14,100 S1: You got you guys still digging this show. 1209 00:56:14,310 --> 00:56:18,450 S2: I'm so into the curse. It's fucking it's like batshit crazy. 1210 00:56:18,690 --> 00:56:21,360 S2: Probably the weirdest thing on TV for like, a long time, 1211 00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,910 S2: even weird by A24 standards. And they do some pretty 1212 00:56:23,910 --> 00:56:27,030 S2: weird stuff. This is like, it's got. So it's like 1213 00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:28,770 S2: five different shows in a show. 1214 00:56:28,770 --> 00:56:29,339 S5: Yeah, I. 1215 00:56:29,340 --> 00:56:31,799 S3: Loved the second episode. I reckon it was better than 1216 00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,169 S3: the first. And I agree, I think it has found 1217 00:56:34,170 --> 00:56:35,580 S3: and I hope it continues in this way. I think 1218 00:56:35,580 --> 00:56:38,190 S3: it's found its pacing and its feet way more than 1219 00:56:38,190 --> 00:56:40,530 S3: it kind of showed in the first, which felt like to, 1220 00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,239 S3: as we were saying last week, felt like two different 1221 00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,750 S3: shows put together. There are just so many good moments 1222 00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:48,990 S3: in this and like, it's not laugh out loud funny 1223 00:56:48,989 --> 00:56:51,090 S3: in some ways, but then the moments. 1224 00:56:51,090 --> 00:56:53,220 S1: I think I laughed at least once to be honest. 1225 00:56:53,460 --> 00:56:55,140 S2: Was a two episode one. I laughed out loud a 1226 00:56:55,140 --> 00:56:57,360 S2: lot in episode two. I didn't laugh once, but then 1227 00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,040 S2: talking about it with you this morning, I was like, 1228 00:56:59,040 --> 00:56:59,970 S2: ha ha, that was very funny. 1229 00:56:59,969 --> 00:57:01,320 S3: Yeah, like when you think about the moments. One of 1230 00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,950 S3: my favorite moments in this was when the bird hits 1231 00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:09,510 S3: into her house and it dies. And there's like, as 1232 00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:12,000 S3: they said in the last episode, there's like no reason 1233 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,540 S3: for the house to be a reflective surface. Other than that, 1234 00:57:15,540 --> 00:57:19,050 S3: she's kind of parroting Doug Aitken, the the real artist 1235 00:57:19,050 --> 00:57:21,690 S3: who designs houses like that. And so it's just so 1236 00:57:21,690 --> 00:57:24,720 S3: good that, like, they just continuously get birds flying into 1237 00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,420 S3: it and dying, and she's trying to sweep them away 1238 00:57:27,420 --> 00:57:30,210 S3: from kind of the picture perfect house. Like there are 1239 00:57:30,210 --> 00:57:32,010 S3: all these moments like that which I don't know, you 1240 00:57:32,010 --> 00:57:34,200 S3: don't laugh out loud at the time, but they're so 1241 00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,210 S3: funny and dark and good. 1242 00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:40,020 S1: Very much so. I mean, if you told me that, like, 1243 00:57:40,020 --> 00:57:43,890 S1: it's it's easy because it shows so weird to miss. 1244 00:57:43,890 --> 00:57:45,780 S1: Just like kind of how smart I think it is 1245 00:57:45,780 --> 00:57:48,300 S1: and how many different things it's grappling with. Like the 1246 00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:51,720 S1: first episode being this piss take of the way that 1247 00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,350 S1: reality TV is made, and then going into a strange 1248 00:57:55,350 --> 00:58:00,660 S1: psychosexual drama involving this crazy family. If you told me that, 1249 00:58:00,660 --> 00:58:03,360 S1: then the second episode would largely be focused on the 1250 00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:07,710 S1: power dynamics between white property developers and native communities, and 1251 00:58:07,710 --> 00:58:13,320 S1: also like conversations around exploitation and plagiarism in the arts, 1252 00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:19,290 S1: and how rich people want to collect the work of, 1253 00:58:19,290 --> 00:58:23,160 S1: like certain marginalized artists to basically use as cover. Like 1254 00:58:23,340 --> 00:58:26,100 S1: there's two different shows from two different universes, but it 1255 00:58:26,100 --> 00:58:29,310 S1: hangs together in this, in this one show. I mean, 1256 00:58:29,310 --> 00:58:32,790 S1: like as far as plot goes, kind of odd to 1257 00:58:32,790 --> 00:58:35,370 S1: talk about plot because it feels like nothing really fits together, 1258 00:58:35,370 --> 00:58:39,090 S1: like there's a pregnancy at the start of it. Emma 1259 00:58:39,090 --> 00:58:41,610 S1: Stone's character is pregnant. By the end, we realize that 1260 00:58:41,940 --> 00:58:44,220 S1: it's ectopic and it's not really going to work out 1261 00:58:44,220 --> 00:58:47,910 S1: for her. So there's a whole layer of like that, 1262 00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:51,450 S1: and she reveals that she's had abortions in the past, 1263 00:58:51,450 --> 00:58:53,550 S1: and that's like a bit of a surprise to Asha. 1264 00:58:53,550 --> 00:58:56,430 S1: Field is character. So there is like this character stuff 1265 00:58:56,430 --> 00:59:00,960 S1: going on there. Nathan's character is trying to get a. 1266 00:59:01,220 --> 00:59:04,670 S1: While from a casino. Were not totally sure what's on 1267 00:59:04,670 --> 00:59:08,630 S1: this file, but he's using it to kill a story 1268 00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:10,310 S1: that is going to come out about his wife. That 1269 00:59:10,310 --> 00:59:12,290 S1: is not good. By giving her the story about this 1270 00:59:12,290 --> 00:59:15,020 S1: casino that I thought was the funniest bit with the 1271 00:59:15,020 --> 00:59:16,640 S1: Gatorade like that was that was. 1272 00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:18,610 S5: More of the Russell. 1273 00:59:18,810 --> 00:59:21,320 S2: That was like the that was straight from the rehearsal playbook. 1274 00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,840 S2: What do you say pours it on the other guy's head, like, 1275 00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,760 S2: and all of that. The way that was all shot 1276 00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,850 S2: was basically just like, like another episode of The Rehearsal. 1277 00:59:28,850 --> 00:59:30,650 S1: And a lot of it is shot like it feels 1278 00:59:30,650 --> 00:59:33,080 S1: like you're in a docudrama or reality thing, and it 1279 00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,140 S1: just blurs that line of like, could the next season 1280 00:59:36,140 --> 00:59:38,660 S1: of the rehearsal end up just being like, we made 1281 00:59:38,660 --> 00:59:41,090 S1: this insane show, and here's how it happened. Like, I 1282 00:59:41,090 --> 00:59:43,460 S1: would not put it past fielder like he's he was 1283 00:59:43,460 --> 00:59:47,210 S1: on Kimmel, like doing that interview with Emma Stone where 1284 00:59:47,210 --> 00:59:50,090 S1: he's wearing those tiny glasses, looking like a beat poet 1285 00:59:50,090 --> 00:59:52,220 S1: from the 60s and making fun of how Emma Stone 1286 00:59:52,220 --> 00:59:55,310 S1: can act like he is doing something right now that 1287 00:59:55,310 --> 00:59:57,140 S1: I don't think we know and we might not find 1288 00:59:57,140 --> 00:59:58,040 S1: out for a year. 1289 00:59:58,160 --> 00:59:59,720 S3: Yeah, that's so true. And I think, like. 1290 00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:00,620 S5: People I. 1291 01:00:00,620 --> 01:00:03,890 S3: Don't really agree. People keep saying that it's uncomfortable to watch, 1292 01:00:03,890 --> 01:00:06,260 S3: and I worry that that puts people off of giving 1293 01:00:06,260 --> 01:00:09,290 S3: this show a go. And I don't think it is 1294 01:00:09,290 --> 01:00:11,420 S3: uncomfortable to watch, but I do think it is. Maybe 1295 01:00:11,420 --> 01:00:14,000 S3: the people were saying that because it is so unlike 1296 01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,120 S3: anything else, and we've kind of been lulled into this nice, 1297 01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,430 S3: safe spot on the couch that we like to sit in, 1298 01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:22,250 S3: and then we've been suddenly given something different. And so 1299 01:00:22,250 --> 01:00:25,010 S3: it does feel new and fresh, and we don't really 1300 01:00:25,010 --> 01:00:27,080 S3: know how to place it and think about it. So 1301 01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,960 S3: I think maybe that's why people think it's more uncomfortable 1302 01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,000 S3: than what it is, though. I get like the scenes 1303 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,450 S3: are awkward, like they are long and they are dark, 1304 01:00:35,450 --> 01:00:37,580 S3: and they are kind of pressing on a point repeatedly 1305 01:00:37,580 --> 01:00:41,240 S3: and giving no mercy. But it still is enjoyable and 1306 01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,400 S3: engaging to watch. Right? Then you have this. 1307 01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,250 S2: Whole other like basically a short film with Safdies character 1308 01:00:46,250 --> 01:00:48,230 S2: where he just goes on this weird day and talks 1309 01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:50,060 S2: about how he basically killed his wife in a car 1310 01:00:50,060 --> 01:00:53,930 S2: accident when he was shitfaced. It's just like, oh man. 1311 01:00:54,260 --> 01:00:56,060 S1: What is happening there? That's a whole different plot where 1312 01:00:56,060 --> 01:00:59,390 S1: he is on a Tinder date, I guess, and just 1313 01:00:59,390 --> 01:01:01,280 S1: tells that story and then drives and is too drunk 1314 01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,550 S1: to drive and him and fielder, like, meet in the casino, 1315 01:01:04,550 --> 01:01:06,950 S1: but don't talk at all. It's like, what the fuck 1316 01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:09,770 S1: is going on? But it is so interesting. Mel, I 1317 01:01:09,770 --> 01:01:12,140 S1: think you nailed it. Like, yeah, I think it's just 1318 01:01:12,140 --> 01:01:15,050 S1: different and it's good and it's smart and it's bold 1319 01:01:15,050 --> 01:01:18,080 S1: and it's what I think TV should be. I like 1320 01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,390 S1: could not recommend this more. I'm a bit worried about 1321 01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:23,600 S1: it being on Paramount Plus. Like I just feel like 1322 01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,700 S1: that's probably one of the smaller networks. There was a 1323 01:01:25,700 --> 01:01:28,460 S1: bit of chat about, like, this is his first not 1324 01:01:28,460 --> 01:01:31,940 S1: HBO show, and it was A24 and A24's had a 1325 01:01:31,940 --> 01:01:34,130 S1: lot of shows distributed by HBO, and, you know, there's 1326 01:01:34,130 --> 01:01:37,850 S1: some whispers around that. HBO is now owned by, like discovery, 1327 01:01:37,850 --> 01:01:42,230 S1: which owns HGTV. So the kinds of things that this 1328 01:01:42,230 --> 01:01:46,220 S1: show is parodying are part of now that HBO and Empire. 1329 01:01:46,220 --> 01:01:48,020 S1: And I think that's a bit of a shame, because 1330 01:01:48,020 --> 01:01:50,930 S1: I think if this was marketed and branded as like 1331 01:01:50,930 --> 01:01:54,740 S1: an HBO show, it would go insane. But if you're 1332 01:01:54,740 --> 01:01:56,840 S1: listening to this and you're not sure, get the seven 1333 01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,570 S1: day Paramount Plus trial like give it a crack, it 1334 01:01:59,570 --> 01:02:00,830 S1: is so worth your time. 1335 01:02:00,830 --> 01:02:03,620 S2: Yes. And also during the week, there were some very fun. Osborne, 1336 01:02:03,620 --> 01:02:05,630 S2: you brought this to our attention. Some very fun interplay 1337 01:02:05,630 --> 01:02:09,140 S2: between probably the weirdest crossover of the week, some interplay 1338 01:02:09,140 --> 01:02:12,860 S2: between Emma Stone and Nathan Fielder, and then the cast 1339 01:02:12,860 --> 01:02:15,350 S2: of Anyone But You starring, I believe her name is 1340 01:02:15,350 --> 01:02:15,980 S2: Sydney Sweeney. 1341 01:02:16,670 --> 01:02:17,090 S5: And. 1342 01:02:17,090 --> 01:02:20,570 S2: Glen Powell. Obviously the film shot in Australia, the cast 1343 01:02:20,570 --> 01:02:23,510 S2: of The Curse like, took the piss out of the 1344 01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:25,490 S2: promo for anyone about you, and it led to this 1345 01:02:25,490 --> 01:02:28,540 S2: very funny dialogue between the directors and stuff. So yeah, 1346 01:02:28,550 --> 01:02:30,230 S2: check that out. You can find on Twitter. 1347 01:02:31,090 --> 01:02:34,630 S1: All right, on to our weekly Impress Your Friends segment. 1348 01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:39,010 S1: I already gave yours away, Mel. So why don't you 1349 01:02:39,010 --> 01:02:40,900 S1: tell us what you've been enjoying this week, and we 1350 01:02:40,900 --> 01:02:42,870 S1: can have a bit of a convo about it. 1351 01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:43,270 S5: Yeah, and. 1352 01:02:43,270 --> 01:02:46,780 S3: It ties in nicely given that Emerald Fennell was Camilla 1353 01:02:46,780 --> 01:02:48,970 S3: in one of the seasons of The Crown. Mine is 1354 01:02:48,970 --> 01:02:52,020 S3: the latest season of The Crown, the first four apps 1355 01:02:52,090 --> 01:02:54,940 S3: of which have dropped on Netflix, and the last will 1356 01:02:54,940 --> 01:03:00,370 S3: come in December. In this season it's Diana, played by Becky, 1357 01:03:00,370 --> 01:03:03,220 S3: Australia's own dying. And it's the kind of lead up 1358 01:03:03,220 --> 01:03:06,160 S3: to that. It's the kind of hours and days before that. 1359 01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:10,840 S3: And her relationship with Dodi, played by Khalid Abdullah, his father. 1360 01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:14,770 S3: Obviously we've still got the monarchy element of it. Look, 1361 01:03:14,770 --> 01:03:18,820 S3: it copped some bad reviews and then some really bad reviews, 1362 01:03:18,820 --> 01:03:21,820 S3: particularly from the Guardian. And then I feel like those 1363 01:03:21,820 --> 01:03:25,000 S3: bad reviews became contagious and everyone was talking about how 1364 01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,910 S3: bad The Crown was. And I've watched all of The Crown. 1365 01:03:27,910 --> 01:03:31,330 S3: I've always thought it's like solidly middle ground television, like 1366 01:03:31,330 --> 01:03:34,030 S3: I've always found it interesting because of the historical details 1367 01:03:34,030 --> 01:03:36,340 S3: and the kind of the actors that are in it. 1368 01:03:36,340 --> 01:03:39,220 S3: But it's never been amazing TV. But I did think, 1369 01:03:39,220 --> 01:03:41,620 S3: oh no, they must have really done something wrong. But 1370 01:03:41,620 --> 01:03:44,200 S3: when I watched it, I do not think it deserves 1371 01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,600 S3: the heat that it's been copping. I think it's I 1372 01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:48,430 S3: wonder if it's because being in Australia, we have a 1373 01:03:48,430 --> 01:03:51,610 S3: slightly different relationship and being a bit younger. We also 1374 01:03:51,610 --> 01:03:54,100 S3: do to kind of that, to Diana's death. 1375 01:03:54,550 --> 01:03:56,530 S1: To the Brits are being a bit harsher on it. 1376 01:03:56,650 --> 01:03:58,810 S3: Some elements of the British press I think are being 1377 01:03:58,810 --> 01:04:01,600 S3: harsher on it, but I. 1378 01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:02,290 S5: Don't think it's that. 1379 01:04:02,290 --> 01:04:04,270 S3: Bad. I think it's good. I think it's kind of 1380 01:04:04,810 --> 01:04:07,210 S3: solidly middle ground TV. I don't think it's worse or 1381 01:04:07,210 --> 01:04:09,400 S3: better than other seasons of The Crown. I think it's 1382 01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:13,000 S3: pretty gripping, and it was getting criticism for really focusing 1383 01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,850 S3: on the Diana Dodi plotline. But like, that's all I'm 1384 01:04:15,850 --> 01:04:18,010 S3: interested in. I kind of didn't like The Crown when 1385 01:04:18,010 --> 01:04:20,530 S3: it went into its little Step Out episodes, which didn't 1386 01:04:20,530 --> 01:04:23,260 S3: fit into a bigger plot, like I wanted those characters. 1387 01:04:23,260 --> 01:04:25,900 S3: I wanted that kind of version of history, and I 1388 01:04:25,900 --> 01:04:28,480 S3: thought Debicki as Diana was fantastic. 1389 01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,880 S2: She is very good. I don't like it. I think 1390 01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,640 S2: almost similar to what we're saying before, like the closer 1391 01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:37,000 S2: we inch to like more recent history, the more easy 1392 01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:38,979 S2: it is to slip up. Like I think The Crown 1393 01:04:38,980 --> 01:04:40,660 S2: was at its best in the first two seasons when 1394 01:04:40,660 --> 01:04:43,350 S2: like we were learning more about like what happened, you know, 1395 01:04:43,390 --> 01:04:45,760 S2: like a really long time away from us. Whereas now 1396 01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,250 S2: it's like we're in this era that we actually remember, 1397 01:04:48,250 --> 01:04:50,530 S2: like William and Harry are like in it now. And 1398 01:04:50,530 --> 01:04:54,070 S2: I just think there's a cringe factor. I also think, unfortunately, 1399 01:04:54,070 --> 01:04:56,290 S2: like we've seen Diana on screen a lot of times 1400 01:04:56,290 --> 01:04:59,410 S2: now in different iterations. So there is like maybe a fatigue. 1401 01:04:59,410 --> 01:05:00,520 S2: That being said, I think, yeah, I mean. 1402 01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:03,450 S1: There were like two Diana movies last year or something. Yeah, yeah, we've. 1403 01:05:03,700 --> 01:05:05,380 S2: We've seen it a lot. And one of the Diana 1404 01:05:05,380 --> 01:05:07,780 S2: movies was really good. Like, and I think Debicki is 1405 01:05:07,780 --> 01:05:10,240 S2: really good. But I just think generally, you know, and 1406 01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:12,490 S2: I know that, like, there's been much made of what's 1407 01:05:12,490 --> 01:05:14,500 S2: to come, which is the ghost of Diana. I mean, 1408 01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:18,040 S2: she visits Charles, she visits the Queen. And like, I mean, 1409 01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:19,810 S2: we can all agree in TV land when you have 1410 01:05:19,810 --> 01:05:23,350 S2: a ghost visiting people, then the show has jumped the shark. 1411 01:05:23,530 --> 01:05:25,270 S3: Look, I have to say, I don't think the ghost. 1412 01:05:25,270 --> 01:05:27,040 S3: I know when you read and you see the ghost 1413 01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,080 S3: is like, you know, you think. 1414 01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:30,370 S5: Oh, spooky, I was going. 1415 01:05:30,370 --> 01:05:32,410 S1: To say spoilers, but I know everyone knows Diana's dead. 1416 01:05:33,430 --> 01:05:35,800 S3: But the ghost element. Did they need it? Probably not. 1417 01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:39,070 S3: But is it as bad as it sounds reading about it? No, 1418 01:05:39,070 --> 01:05:42,280 S3: it's not like a hologram kind of ghosty thing. Like 1419 01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,229 S3: it kind of works. Did they need to do it? 1420 01:05:44,230 --> 01:05:46,990 S3: Could have lived without. It. Doesn't really add that much, 1421 01:05:46,990 --> 01:05:48,880 S3: but I don't know. I when I read ghost I 1422 01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,670 S3: was like, oh dear. But it wasn't as bad as 1423 01:05:51,670 --> 01:05:53,050 S3: I thought it would be. Right? 1424 01:05:53,050 --> 01:05:55,270 S1: I'd say a couple of things. Firstly, huge plot for 1425 01:05:55,270 --> 01:05:58,570 S1: my guy Khalid Abdullah, who burst to prominence playing the 1426 01:05:58,570 --> 01:06:03,580 S1: head terrorist hijacker in Paul Greengrass United 93, going from 1427 01:06:03,580 --> 01:06:06,240 S1: that to playing Dodi Al Fayed, you know, dating Princess. 1428 01:06:06,250 --> 01:06:10,630 S1: And it's pretty cool. It's a representation, folks. It's good. Yeah, 1429 01:06:10,630 --> 01:06:14,439 S1: I've never been a huge crown head because I, I'm 1430 01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,230 S1: firmly of the camp that this is all like hagiography 1431 01:06:17,230 --> 01:06:22,210 S1: like this. Anyone who pretends that this is like an interesting, insightful, 1432 01:06:22,210 --> 01:06:24,730 S1: critical look at the institution of the royals, I think 1433 01:06:24,730 --> 01:06:26,919 S1: is getting themselves. It's fine if you want to watch 1434 01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,200 S1: it and like it. That's interesting. They're an interesting family, 1435 01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,900 S1: this interesting drama there. I'm not a huge fan of 1436 01:06:31,900 --> 01:06:34,930 S1: like the institution of the royal family and didn't enjoy 1437 01:06:34,930 --> 01:06:37,720 S1: the amount of time and effort going into try to 1438 01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:42,060 S1: create complexity out of, you know, pretty mundane, boring slash 1439 01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:47,590 S1: terrible people. So I only really care about this season 1440 01:06:47,590 --> 01:06:51,460 S1: if they end up confirming that, like, the royal family 1441 01:06:51,610 --> 01:06:54,550 S1: assassinated Diana and Dodi because they did not like Diana 1442 01:06:54,550 --> 01:06:56,860 S1: having relationships with brown guys, and if that's not what 1443 01:06:56,860 --> 01:06:58,450 S1: this is about, then I don't, I don't care. 1444 01:06:58,450 --> 01:07:01,419 S2: I'm so shocked that husbands and royalists. Hi, that one's 1445 01:07:01,420 --> 01:07:02,500 S2: caught me off guard. If I'm honest. 1446 01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:04,540 S3: I don't know why you don't like the institution, though. 1447 01:07:04,540 --> 01:07:06,370 S3: Why you don't find it interesting. Like you like other 1448 01:07:06,370 --> 01:07:08,170 S3: big institutions like Disney. 1449 01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,950 S5: Marvel? Yeah. Why don't you like. What are you talking about? 1450 01:07:11,950 --> 01:07:12,250 S5: You love the. 1451 01:07:12,250 --> 01:07:14,950 S1: Kardashians and what those guys create because it's relevant to 1452 01:07:14,950 --> 01:07:18,460 S1: the culture, the the royals as an institution. I mean, like, 1453 01:07:18,460 --> 01:07:21,640 S1: I care enough to know about who the people are, 1454 01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:23,260 S1: but I think this has been my issue with the 1455 01:07:23,260 --> 01:07:25,900 S1: Crown and this debate about whether or not it is 1456 01:07:25,900 --> 01:07:29,590 S1: pro royal or not. I think if you are creating 1457 01:07:29,590 --> 01:07:33,130 S1: characters and. Story lines, and you are trying to get 1458 01:07:33,130 --> 01:07:35,620 S1: people hooked in to caring about what happens. You are 1459 01:07:35,650 --> 01:07:37,660 S1: humanizing them. I think anyone who pretends that this is 1460 01:07:37,660 --> 01:07:41,260 S1: like not an attempt, even if at a subconscious level, 1461 01:07:41,260 --> 01:07:46,600 S1: to create humanity and complexity around extremely powerful individuals who 1462 01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:49,630 S1: have been responsible for and the beneficiaries of lots of 1463 01:07:49,630 --> 01:07:52,150 S1: terrible things around the world. I think they kidding themselves. 1464 01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:56,140 S1: I just don't really want to participate in that ecosystem. 1465 01:07:56,650 --> 01:07:58,600 S1: I can do a couple of hours, you know, like 1466 01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:00,670 S1: that Diana movie with Kristen. 1467 01:08:00,670 --> 01:08:01,250 S5: Stewart in it. 1468 01:08:01,270 --> 01:08:04,090 S1: Yeah, Kristen was really good because that was one an 1469 01:08:04,090 --> 01:08:06,280 S1: interesting movie. It sort of filmed like a horror film, 1470 01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:08,230 S1: and it was about how the royals are like horrible 1471 01:08:08,230 --> 01:08:11,080 S1: people who tried to, like, kill Diana. Great. I'm into that. 1472 01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,150 S1: I just don't think The Crown wants to take those 1473 01:08:13,150 --> 01:08:14,020 S1: kinds of swings. 1474 01:08:14,020 --> 01:08:15,760 S2: You did not impress that particular friends. 1475 01:08:17,620 --> 01:08:19,510 S3: I'm excited to hear the take on Napoleon. 1476 01:08:19,900 --> 01:08:20,320 S5: No, but. 1477 01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:22,000 S1: I'm glad we talked about this because it is a 1478 01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,980 S1: big show and I think lots of people are talking 1479 01:08:23,979 --> 01:08:26,590 S1: about it, and I feel like we've got the spectrum 1480 01:08:26,590 --> 01:08:27,370 S1: of feelings. 1481 01:08:27,460 --> 01:08:28,690 S5: That's awesome. That is true. 1482 01:08:29,229 --> 01:08:30,550 S1: Thomas, what have you got for us? 1483 01:08:30,770 --> 01:08:33,139 S2: Well, I have another TV show. I think we all 1484 01:08:33,140 --> 01:08:37,760 S2: have TV shows this week. Maybe this one is on Stan, 1485 01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,729 S2: which is probably the best streaming platform. Yeah. 1486 01:08:41,180 --> 01:08:43,970 S1: Yeah, we should declare that Stan is owned by nine, 1487 01:08:43,970 --> 01:08:46,640 S1: the publisher of the company that we work for, the 1488 01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:47,720 S1: Sydney Morning Herald and The Age. 1489 01:08:48,140 --> 01:08:50,330 S2: So, scrubland. It's based on an award winning novel by 1490 01:08:50,330 --> 01:08:51,020 S2: Chris Hammer. 1491 01:08:51,050 --> 01:08:53,240 S3: A former Sydney Morning Herald journalist. We should. 1492 01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:53,719 S5: Say. 1493 01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,269 S2: We should say. And had I continue speaking. No. But 1494 01:08:56,270 --> 01:09:00,650 S2: the thing is about this show, which we all will love. Basically, 1495 01:09:00,650 --> 01:09:02,780 S2: it's set in the small town of river sand, like 1496 01:09:02,780 --> 01:09:06,320 S2: a small like country town, rural Victoria. And basically the 1497 01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:09,590 S2: episode opens with this young pastor who's kind of help 1498 01:09:09,590 --> 01:09:12,690 S2: revitalize the town, played by Jay Ryan. And, you know, 1499 01:09:12,770 --> 01:09:15,380 S2: it's a Sunday. He's welcoming his parish into the church. 1500 01:09:15,380 --> 01:09:17,839 S2: Everyone seems to love him. And then he walks inside 1501 01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,450 S2: the church, comes out with a rifle and shoots five 1502 01:09:20,450 --> 01:09:23,750 S2: men dead in the car park. And it's very, very shocking. 1503 01:09:24,050 --> 01:09:26,900 S2: It's a very strong opening scene. The story opens up 1504 01:09:26,900 --> 01:09:29,420 S2: a year later. Kind of. This journalist returns to the town, 1505 01:09:29,420 --> 01:09:32,630 S2: played by Luke Arnold, who played Michael Hutchence in the series, 1506 01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:35,420 S2: and he's a journalist at the Sydney Morning Herald, which 1507 01:09:35,420 --> 01:09:39,500 S2: is great because that's where we work. And he he 1508 01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:41,060 S2: is coming to the town to do like a kind 1509 01:09:41,060 --> 01:09:43,160 S2: of what his boss is telling him is essentially is 1510 01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,110 S2: a puff piece, like one year on, like how the 1511 01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:47,960 S2: town is healing. But he obviously gets there and starts 1512 01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:50,810 S2: to kind of unpick what really happened. You know, there 1513 01:09:50,810 --> 01:09:53,060 S2: are all these different kind of like almost in a 1514 01:09:53,060 --> 01:09:56,179 S2: Larimer type way, strange people in the country town and 1515 01:09:56,180 --> 01:09:58,280 S2: everything is not as it seems. And lo and behold, 1516 01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:01,310 S2: he too has his own interesting back story and I 1517 01:10:01,310 --> 01:10:03,680 S2: really enjoying the first few episodes. Bella Heathcote is in 1518 01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,860 S2: it too. It is that classic, like Australian small town drama. 1519 01:10:06,860 --> 01:10:12,830 S2: It's eerie, it's uncomfortable. It's really well shot. Yeah, I'm like, look, 1520 01:10:12,830 --> 01:10:14,839 S2: we made a joke about Stan. Some of the Stan 1521 01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,330 S2: offerings have not been amazing. I think we all agreed 1522 01:10:17,330 --> 01:10:20,479 S2: court was a misfire. This is, like, really good Australian TV, 1523 01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:21,740 S2: so I think everyone should give it a crack. 1524 01:10:21,740 --> 01:10:22,790 S3: And did you read the book? 1525 01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:24,349 S2: I have not read the book. Okay. Have you read 1526 01:10:24,350 --> 01:10:24,740 S2: the book? 1527 01:10:24,740 --> 01:10:26,269 S3: I did read the book, so I'd be interested to 1528 01:10:26,270 --> 01:10:28,160 S3: see how it. One of the things that stands out 1529 01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:29,420 S3: to me from the book was like, he does a 1530 01:10:29,420 --> 01:10:32,810 S3: lot of public weeing like, there is so much dedicated 1531 01:10:32,810 --> 01:10:34,910 S3: in the book to this man going to the bathroom, 1532 01:10:34,910 --> 01:10:35,809 S3: but obviously. 1533 01:10:35,810 --> 01:10:36,559 S5: It's not carried on. 1534 01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:38,360 S2: But I will let you know. 1535 01:10:38,689 --> 01:10:40,850 S1: Yeah, not surprised that they weren't like, okay, cool. We 1536 01:10:40,850 --> 01:10:42,470 S1: need like 15 shots of him. 1537 01:10:43,370 --> 01:10:43,670 S5: Well, if. 1538 01:10:43,670 --> 01:10:44,570 S3: It was Nathan Fielder. 1539 01:10:45,770 --> 01:10:47,270 S5: It was Barry. Cool. Yeah. 1540 01:10:48,260 --> 01:10:50,389 S1: No. Great. I'm actually really excited to watch that show. 1541 01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:52,849 S1: It's probably next on my list after I catch up 1542 01:10:52,850 --> 01:10:56,540 S1: with my recommendation, which is one that you actually gave 1543 01:10:56,540 --> 01:10:58,340 S1: to me, Thomas, when I was sick last week. I 1544 01:10:58,340 --> 01:11:01,519 S1: don't think you've seen it yet, though. It's a Disney+ show. 1545 01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,580 S1: It's called a murder at the end of the world. 1546 01:11:04,580 --> 01:11:08,480 S1: It stars Brit Marling, Emma Corrin, who also played Diana 1547 01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:10,040 S1: in the last season of The Crown. 1548 01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:10,570 S2: Really is haunting. 1549 01:11:11,060 --> 01:11:11,340 S5: Diana. 1550 01:11:11,900 --> 01:11:14,929 S1: Yeah, we can't get away from these freaking royals. And 1551 01:11:14,930 --> 01:11:17,690 S1: Harris Dickinson, who was in Triangle of Sadness, a movie 1552 01:11:17,689 --> 01:11:19,850 S1: that I think we all really liked as well, also 1553 01:11:19,850 --> 01:11:22,640 S1: has Clive Owen as kind of the main antagonist, and 1554 01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:25,700 S1: there's a really good cast. This is an interesting show. 1555 01:11:25,700 --> 01:11:28,099 S1: It has a lot that I really like. It's essentially 1556 01:11:28,100 --> 01:11:31,339 S1: about this, like young character played by Emma Corrin called 1557 01:11:31,340 --> 01:11:36,559 S1: Darby Hart, who's pitched as this like Gen Z, Sherlock Holmes. 1558 01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:41,600 S1: They are like hacker and they solve true crime mysteries 1559 01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,479 S1: on Reddit, that sort of thing. They get invited to 1560 01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:48,080 S1: this tech conference, which is hosted by Clive Owen's characters, 1561 01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:52,070 S1: sort of like tech billionaire there. A murder happens and 1562 01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:54,830 S1: they have to basically solve it. It's very like Knives 1563 01:11:54,830 --> 01:11:59,050 S1: Out in that way. But the show is interesting, odd 1564 01:11:59,090 --> 01:12:02,870 S1: in that it also is about a series of flashbacks 1565 01:12:02,870 --> 01:12:05,809 S1: and a storyline that takes place in the past, where 1566 01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,840 S1: Emma Corrin is in a relationship with Harris Dickinson's character, 1567 01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:12,800 S1: and they are solving like this true crime murder mystery. 1568 01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,380 S1: I got to say, I think like it's not quite 1569 01:12:15,380 --> 01:12:19,970 S1: a perfect show because those two stories kind of don't 1570 01:12:19,970 --> 01:12:23,090 S1: mesh together for me that well. I would prefer if 1571 01:12:23,090 --> 01:12:25,100 S1: we just stuck to one, and I really like the 1572 01:12:25,100 --> 01:12:27,170 S1: the murder at the end of the world thing, because 1573 01:12:27,170 --> 01:12:29,330 S1: that's this tech conference in Iceland. There's a bit of 1574 01:12:29,330 --> 01:12:33,400 S1: stuff about I. And tech. It's really interestingly shot and filmed. 1575 01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:35,740 S1: The characters that are pretty fun and wacky. That's a 1576 01:12:35,740 --> 01:12:37,630 S1: really good bit of the show, and I think it 1577 01:12:37,630 --> 01:12:40,780 S1: gets a bit overwhelmed by the the murder that happens 1578 01:12:40,780 --> 01:12:43,780 S1: in the past. I'm trying to not get into detail 1579 01:12:43,810 --> 01:12:45,070 S1: because I don't want to spoil it for people, but 1580 01:12:45,070 --> 01:12:47,950 S1: I think if you're looking for like, some fun, entertaining 1581 01:12:47,950 --> 01:12:50,170 S1: murder mystery stuff, this is worth a crack. 1582 01:12:50,170 --> 01:12:52,120 S3: Yeah. Okay, next on the list. I really like Emma. 1583 01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:54,189 S2: I'll watch anything with Clive Owen. Yeah. 1584 01:12:54,189 --> 01:12:56,769 S1: Clive Owen is amazing. There's a lot of weird stuff 1585 01:12:56,770 --> 01:12:58,600 S1: that he's doing in this, which I think is also fun. 1586 01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:02,080 S1: I think he's having a really good time, which is cool. Yeah. 1587 01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,509 S1: I feel like we should do a switcheroo and maybe, like, 1588 01:13:04,510 --> 01:13:06,760 S1: swap notes on some of these things next week because 1589 01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:08,230 S1: I am quite keen to check out Scrub Lands, and 1590 01:13:08,229 --> 01:13:10,330 S1: maybe that's worth a bit more of a chat when 1591 01:13:10,330 --> 01:13:11,350 S1: we've caught up as well. 1592 01:13:11,350 --> 01:13:12,100 S3: Let's do it! 1593 01:13:12,790 --> 01:13:15,610 S1: Thomas and Mel a big one from us today. We 1594 01:13:15,610 --> 01:13:21,490 S1: really Jim Chalmers, Emerald Fennell, hip Hop, The Crown, the Royals, 1595 01:13:21,490 --> 01:13:22,450 S1: what didn't we cover. 1596 01:13:22,450 --> 01:13:23,470 S2: So a good baby baby. 1597 01:13:23,470 --> 01:13:24,340 S5: That's what we do. 1598 01:13:25,689 --> 01:13:26,559 S1: See you guys next week. 1599 01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:27,010 S5: Bye. 1600 01:13:30,530 --> 01:13:33,590 S1: This episode of The Drop was produced by Chey Wong. 1601 01:13:33,770 --> 01:13:36,380 S1: If you enjoyed listening to today's episode of The Drop, 1602 01:13:36,380 --> 01:13:39,200 S1: make sure to follow us in your favorite podcast app. 1603 01:13:39,229 --> 01:13:42,169 S1: Leave us a review or better yet, share the episode 1604 01:13:42,170 --> 01:13:44,090 S1: with a friend, tell them how great it is and 1605 01:13:44,090 --> 01:13:45,920 S1: how much you love listening to us on the drop. 1606 01:13:46,100 --> 01:13:48,260 S1: I'm Osman Farooqui. 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