Speaker 1: On Sydney. Now you can't handle the truth the straight shooters. Well,
Speaker 1: if I'm a member of state, home of course is
Speaker 1: my strat here on Thursday aufternoon, David Early, have I David,
Speaker 1: does a sense emotion actually really mean anything? When it
Speaker 1: comes down to it.
Speaker 2: It's embarrassing. But SA fifty two are the opposition's best warfare.
Speaker 2: And I mean I had them every day, I think
Speaker 2: I had. I had my own my own locker down
Speaker 2: there at the SA fifty two processing plan. I was
Speaker 2: getting them so often. But it's been embarrassing and that,
Speaker 2: of course they can use that to then springboard other
Speaker 2: discipline reaction against Penny Sharp.
Speaker 1: But it's a bit of a slap on a wrist
Speaker 1: though is no sense of motion?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a motion and no confidence amended. She
Speaker 2: doesn't have to resign or anything, but not unless she
Speaker 2: was the premiere. But it does highlight the fact that
Speaker 2: are the concerns that were floating around Macquarie Street twolve
Speaker 2: months ago that the that Ben Franklin going to the
Speaker 2: presidency would mean that they couldn't get any sense of
Speaker 2: motions or fifty two through. That's obviously not correct and
Speaker 2: it's clear that the cross benches are not going to
Speaker 2: necessarily play ball with the government.
Speaker 1: Well, it's quite a clear vote there is. It's twenty
Speaker 1: in favor of fourteen against. Of course, the government doesn't
Speaker 1: hold the numbers in the upper House.
Speaker 2: That's right, and it would be and Penny would be
Speaker 2: furious that the Greens have sided with the Liberal Party
Speaker 2: over that one. I'm quite sure.
Speaker 1: And this is where you don't have a premier censured
Speaker 1: will be very rare because what they do have for
Speaker 1: a minority in the lower House, but they have the
Speaker 1: support of the Independence So.
Speaker 2: That's right, and that only really, I mean essential motion
Speaker 2: is embarrassing and the Premier would probably have to explain
Speaker 2: to the governor why he still has confidence in the House.
Speaker 2: I could happened to Chris Mins, but I don't think
Speaker 2: that's going to happen.
Speaker 1: No, No, it looks the big political issue of the
Speaker 1: weekend in state politics has been the failure of the
Speaker 1: ATC to sell off Rose Hill attract majority support. And
Speaker 1: we thought this was going to happen. But it's not
Speaker 1: great for Chris Mins because he'd been very much a
Speaker 1: support of this plan.
Speaker 2: We he has and it's back to the drawing board,
Speaker 2: but he always gave himself a little I felt he
Speaker 2: always gave himself a little bit of wiggle room. I
Speaker 2: know my side of politic things that it's humiliating for him,
Speaker 2: but I think he gave himself. But it's just as
Speaker 2: he said, he's got a plan being he needs to
Speaker 2: go to that plan. Being as I said when I
Speaker 2: was Minister for Corrections, I don't know why there are
Speaker 2: prisoners living at Long Bay Jail. I don't know why
Speaker 2: people convicted felons are at waterfront real estate. So if
Speaker 2: he wants to look anywhere, and I saw some dribble
Speaker 2: today in the media about oh, but there's no other
Speaker 2: site within twenty kilometers of Sydney, Well there is. It's
Speaker 2: called Long Bay Jail, and Bob Carr looked at getting
Speaker 2: rid of it when he was premier and they were
Speaker 2: going to give it over to the Disney Corporation, which
Speaker 2: I thought would have been great. But there's been a
Speaker 2: little bit of work done by Corrections to look at
Speaker 2: Long Bay Jail and I think with a light rail
Speaker 2: extension down there, it would be magnificent. Now Michael Day
Speaker 2: is completely opposed to it. He's worried too many Tories
Speaker 2: or move into his constituency. But I think if we
Speaker 2: get the balance right, we could probably start working there.
Speaker 1: Now. I'm really glad you've raised this idea because I
Speaker 1: haven't heard this idea for years. Yeah, it's popped up
Speaker 1: in the past, but the suggestion in some of the
Speaker 1: papers this morning was there could be parts of Homebush
Speaker 1: Sydney Hpey Park that could be developed for twenty thousand home.
Speaker 1: There'll be a metro station there, and Glee Island's been
Speaker 1: discussed for new housing. But this is a cracker, So
Speaker 1: everyone just think about this. We've got the state's worst
Speaker 1: of the worst living in waterfront property at Long Bay. Okay,
Speaker 1: when you're in your cell, you don't look out the
Speaker 1: window and cast your eyes over the ocean. But this
Speaker 1: is absolute prime real estate. And I see no reason
Speaker 1: why we couldn't invest in building a massive prison out
Speaker 1: in the back of Burke, ship them all out there
Speaker 1: and then sell off the land.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's a neigh brain. And I mean, I guess
Speaker 2: there's some heritage facilities considerations around Long Bar, but you'd
Speaker 2: include that in the development. The prisoners, You're right, I mean,
Speaker 2: the prisoners can go in the peri urban districts, or
Speaker 2: they could go out to expand Baptist Jail or expand
Speaker 2: Lithgo jail, and it creates jobs in regional areas. And
Speaker 2: it is a no brainer. And I would very much
Speaker 2: encourage Chrismians and Mark Speakman to consider go back to
Speaker 2: those plans that we had drafted up over Long Bar
Speaker 2: Jail and stop spending money on what is essentially a
Speaker 2: piecemeal prison it's and spend some money on something that
Speaker 2: is going to give them a significant value for value
Speaker 2: to And of course, when you're building new jail, you
Speaker 2: build it for the modern criminal, the modern criminal rehabilitation,
Speaker 2: and Long Bay doesn't have all those facilities.
Speaker 1: It's an absolute no brainer and I can't believe it
Speaker 1: hasn't been on the agenda. Just think about it. You've
Speaker 1: got how many people be in Long Bay? How many
Speaker 1: prison a couple of hours one thousand, I'd say, okay,
Speaker 1: so you've got a thousand. You've got a thousand living
Speaker 1: in prime Sydney real estate. Is the argument against doing
Speaker 1: it that the families of the prisoners would have a
Speaker 1: long way to travel to go and visit them.
Speaker 2: You do have that, but you know, but when they
Speaker 2: place a prisoner, they don't necessarily think about where mum's
Speaker 2: coming from to come on Saturday afternoon to bring a
Speaker 2: cake with a file in it. I mean, it's where
Speaker 2: we It's where the prison, the prison officers live. And
Speaker 2: when I've been down there when I was a prison's
Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time at Long Bay Jail.
Speaker 2: But I interviewed the prison officers when I had this
Speaker 2: in the back of my mind, and most of them
Speaker 2: are commuting from Woo, commuting from Campbelltown. So if you
Speaker 2: said to them, you know, we're going to put it in,
Speaker 2: you know on the outskirts of Sydney that nobody had
Speaker 2: complained about it.
Speaker 1: And that's a pretty big area there. You could build
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 2: Of units there and it's got and just extend the
Speaker 2: light rail.
Speaker 1: Which is a lot cheaper than an underground metro.
Speaker 2: A lot cheaper than a metro.
Speaker 1: Take Stewart Airs came out today, your former colleague in
Speaker 1: his new capacity, and he said, look, we made a
Speaker 1: mistake by not having a metro station between Sydney Park
Speaker 1: and Parramatta. What is your view.
Speaker 2: I'm not accepting that because when we made that consideration,
Speaker 2: we didn't think that rose Hill would be developed, so
Speaker 2: it wasn't a mistake at the time. In hindsight, if
Speaker 2: rose Hill was going to go ahead, well then we
Speaker 2: could say, yeah, we made a mistake. We probably should
Speaker 2: have put this on the radar in the beginning, but
Speaker 2: it was never It was never a consideration when we
Speaker 2: were dropping the stations on that metro.
Speaker 1: The issue that's really got you angry this week is
Speaker 1: Chris Bowen eating during Mass.
Speaker 2: And I'm not Catholic, but I got that photo on
Speaker 2: Saturday Sunday night from people that were there, and my
Speaker 2: blood boiled. I thought that was the most disrespectful thing
Speaker 2: anybody could do. He would not do it in a mosque,
Speaker 2: and he certainly wouldn't do it in a temple, or
Speaker 2: he certainly wouldn't do it in a synagogue. But he
Speaker 2: feels that he can do it in front of the
Speaker 2: Catholic community in his own electorate, who I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: won't let him forget about it. Now. I've seen that
Speaker 2: invitation that he received. It clearly says eleven am Mass,
Speaker 2: at twelve o'clock, there'll be there'll be light refreshments. So
Speaker 2: if he was hungry, he could have been like everybody
Speaker 2: or the rest of us just wait until after the
Speaker 2: search service was finished.
Speaker 1: I've got the invitation here in front of me, Club
Speaker 1: Marconi commemorating Italian Republic Day, eleven am Commemorative Mass, twelve
Speaker 1: pm opening serony followed by light refreshments. And it's not
Speaker 1: like the event was being held. The mass was being
Speaker 1: held at meal time.
Speaker 2: No, that's exactly right.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe he's used a very early lunch at
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock.
Speaker 2: But this is the Hubris that you and I spoke
Speaker 2: about on the election night, and Chris Bowen is going
Speaker 2: to be I don't know him, I've never met him.
Speaker 2: I'm in the Jason Clair fashion of the Labor Party
Speaker 2: when it comes to Southwestern Sydney. I think he's one
Speaker 2: that should be given the tough jobs. But I just
Speaker 2: feel that what Chris has done and his lame excuse
Speaker 2: that he didn't know that was a mass, well, you
Speaker 2: were sitting there in front of a priest. And again
Speaker 2: I'm not jumping on the high horse because I'm not
Speaker 2: a Catholic, but I do have enough respect for people's
Speaker 2: faith to think that a member of Parliament, Minister of
Speaker 2: the Crown not less, would not only treat his constituents
Speaker 2: like that, but then try to lie about it, which
Speaker 2: I thought was disgraceful.
Speaker 1: We spoke about Hubri's on election that this was the
Speaker 1: big danger. So that's one example. I'll just play you this.
Speaker 1: You may not have heard this. This is another example
Speaker 1: I think of Hubris.
Speaker 3: Just a fun fact that's been drawn to my attention
Speaker 3: is that there are more women whose name begins with
Speaker 3: A in the Labor Party caucus in the House of Representatives.
Speaker 3: Ten then there will be nine coalition women in the
Speaker 3: floor on the floor of the House of Representatives, in
Speaker 3: the Liberal Party and the National Party combined with Anika Here,
Speaker 3: Anna Lee, Ailey France who's here, Alisha Payne, Alice Jordan Baird,
Speaker 3: ash Amberja Paha and Stanley Alison Burns, ann Erkkart and
Speaker 3: Amanda Rishworth.
Speaker 1: That's an example of humorous.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean the lovies for Labour are going to
Speaker 2: stand up and say, is this fantastic? You know, we've
Speaker 2: got more women than the opposition have got at twice
Speaker 2: as many, but they've also got more than twice the
Speaker 2: number of seats that the coalition's got. So let's marry
Speaker 2: it all up. And I think I think, I mean,
Speaker 2: the proof's going to be in the pudding for a
Speaker 2: lot of those a lot of those new MPs and
Speaker 2: new ministers. I wouldn't be putting playing the gender card
Speaker 2: too close because I think that he's going to find
Speaker 2: that some of those people embarrassing.
Speaker 1: I have a lot of feedback here to the idea,
Speaker 1: to the proposal to sell and it's not actually on
Speaker 1: the agenda at the moment. We're just raising it this afternoon,
Speaker 1: but to redevelop Longbow Jail for housing Michelle and the
Speaker 1: text and says I do have a family member that
Speaker 1: is in cars rated. He is in Grafton, which is
Speaker 1: a six hour drive. If you want to visit an inmate,
Speaker 1: you will travel. That's right, okay. Harry is a former
Speaker 1: Ranwick counselor diet I Harry good.
Speaker 4: He how are you going good? Yeah, that's good. Look
Speaker 4: Back in twenty thirteen I raised this issue in council
Speaker 4: and we wrote to Greg Smith at the time, who
Speaker 4: was the Attorney General here in New South Wales, and
Speaker 4: I mentioned to him that this would be a very
Speaker 4: very good idea. We're talking about ninety acres of prime
Speaker 4: real estate right in the heart of or very close
Speaker 4: to the city center. And you know, I mean, I
Speaker 4: agree wholeheartedly with what David raised. I raised these issues
Speaker 4: earlier that you know, why would you give them prime
Speaker 4: real estate, would you? Why wouldn't you relocate the jail
Speaker 4: into regional areas and create more jobs out there, you know,
Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's a no brainer. You know,
Speaker 4: we're talking about you know, a lot of heritage buildings
Speaker 4: there which could be preserved. You don't necessarily have to
Speaker 4: go massive high rise there. I mean, I don't understand
Speaker 4: why labor got rid of It's Henry. You know, why
Speaker 4: would you get rid of a hospital that's been used
Speaker 4: primarily by everybody and not get rid of the jail.
Speaker 1: So a long time ago Prince Henry disappeared.
Speaker 2: But agree, Yeah, well, Harry's right. And the political problem
Speaker 2: that Chris had was that Chris Men's had everybody loved
Speaker 2: Rose Hill, which in western Sydney a lot of people do.
Speaker 2: Nobody loves the prison. Nobody loves so he's not going
Speaker 2: to have any He's not going to be facing.
Speaker 1: Well, the prison's way be given a vote, will by.
Speaker 2: No that won't be given a vote on it. With
Speaker 2: the exemption of Michael daily who loves it being there
Speaker 2: for various reasons. Nobody is going to be chaining themselves
Speaker 2: to the front gates of Long Bay Jail saying let's
Speaker 2: let's save the jail.
Speaker 1: Fair point here from Angela. On the text line, Angelo says,
Speaker 1: I'm a prison officer. We can't get staff to go
Speaker 1: out west, but Picton would be a.
Speaker 2: Good vitue because they do. They can do the long
Speaker 2: shifts and they you know, and I mean most prison
Speaker 2: officers that I work with are very, very dedicated to
Speaker 2: their job and if they get posted somewhere which is
Speaker 2: a little bit longer to commute, they'll do it because
Speaker 2: they are you know, they're company people.
Speaker 1: Shadow Ministry announced yesterday by Susan Lee. What are your impressions, listen,
Speaker 1: I mean it's early days, bumby start. I did take
Speaker 1: offense to the fact that Michael McCormack was removed. I
Speaker 1: thought that he had a three percent swing to him
Speaker 1: at a time when people were having double digit swings
Speaker 1: against them. But I got to say, as a proud Westy,
Speaker 1: giving a millionaire, middle class senator like Andrew Bragg, who
Speaker 1: as the homelessness portfolio doesn't sit comfortably with me and
Speaker 1: this is the guy that campaigned on quotas for women
Speaker 1: in Parliament and then knife Holly Hughes to get his
Speaker 1: spum back into the Senate. I'm not comfortable with it.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that I'm going to be wrong, but you know,
Speaker 1: horses for courses here. But you know, I think having
Speaker 1: I think Andrew Hasting and Home Affairs is good. Love
Speaker 1: seeing Alex Hawk back. If they listened to him a
Speaker 1: little bit more during the campaign, we wouldn't have lost
Speaker 1: as many seats and vote in Western Sydney. And of
Speaker 1: course I think you know Susan has proven herself to
Speaker 1: be a very even keeled candidate for the prime Mishi,
Speaker 1: We're almost at a time tomorrow your column the Telegraph
Speaker 1: will feature the best country towns.
Speaker 2: Best Country Towns tomorrow. I've been English once and I've
Speaker 2: spoken as Steve Camper, who's given me permission to quote him.
Speaker 2: And we're going to spend the long weekend next weekend
Speaker 2: in regional New South Wales. And I've got a saucy
Speaker 2: little story about Tamworth when I went there.
Speaker 1: And saucy story, A little saucy story.
Speaker 2: Because I went out there to Tamworth with Kevin Anderson
Speaker 2: once and I was at a function that started mouthing
Speaker 2: off and boasting about I had a teenage romance in
Speaker 2: Tamworth and I loved coming to Tamworth with those memories.
Speaker 2: And it turned out it was old mates, missus since
Speaker 2: since since I'd lost communication with that young teenage lady,
Speaker 2: she'd married the bloke I was boasting about. So just
Speaker 2: goes to show. My mother said, never talk about six
Speaker 2: politics of religion, and we've done all three of them today.
Speaker 1: Mates, we'll read about it tomorrow. And the Telly