WEBVTT - ‘Spiked’ news with Brendan O’Neill

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<v Speaker 1>And now on Wake Up Australia. It does have common

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<v Speaker 1>sense from the other side of the world. With Brendan O'Neil,

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<v Speaker 1>editor of Spiked Online.

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<v Speaker 2>HOWO mate, how are you this morning?

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, I'm not too bad. Thank you good.

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<v Speaker 2>I see you're using that app that we've got you

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<v Speaker 2>using that. It never seems to work properly, but that's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Let's talk about what's going on. Firstly with

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<v Speaker 2>the Israel Iran war.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's pretty scary what's happening in the Middle East

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<v Speaker 4>right now, and I think it's unpredictable as to what

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<v Speaker 4>the outcome will be. It's unclear, particularly whether the US

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<v Speaker 4>and the UK will get involved. I think both Donald

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<v Speaker 4>Trump and Kissed Arma are reluctant to get involved. They're

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<v Speaker 4>willing to help Israel, but they're not really willing to

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<v Speaker 4>put any of their own bombs or feet on the

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<v Speaker 4>ground just yet. Although there is talk about Trump potentially

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<v Speaker 4>using that huge buster bomb to get rid of the

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<v Speaker 4>nuclear facility that's buried in a mountain. So at the moment,

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<v Speaker 4>it's slightly up in the air. It's kind of not

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<v Speaker 4>where it's going to go, whether it's going to become

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<v Speaker 4>one of those big, all consuming wars that we've seen

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<v Speaker 4>over the past few years, or whether it might be

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<v Speaker 4>something quite swift and surgical. So it feels quite unpredictable,

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<v Speaker 4>I think to many people.

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<v Speaker 2>The other thing that's going on is the latest on

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<v Speaker 2>the grooming gangs in the UK. Can you give us

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<v Speaker 2>an idea what's happening there?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's it's ongoing. It's as you say, this is

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<v Speaker 4>just it's coming back again. It's an issue that just

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<v Speaker 4>will never go away, and for good reason, because it

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<v Speaker 4>is an issue which the government here and officialdom here

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<v Speaker 4>has failed to get to grips with again and again

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<v Speaker 4>and again. What's happened this week is that Baroness Casey,

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<v Speaker 4>a well known peer here in the UK, she has

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<v Speaker 4>published a report saying there needs to be a national

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<v Speaker 4>inquiry and the report says that things were worse than

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<v Speaker 4>even people like she thought they were. So it's now

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<v Speaker 4>confirmed that a majority of these gangs were made up

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<v Speaker 4>of men from Pakistani Muslim backgrounds. A majority of their

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<v Speaker 4>victims were girls from the white working class. There was

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<v Speaker 4>a really powerful racial and religious dynamic to this horrendous

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<v Speaker 4>abuse that was carried out over decades against thousands of girls,

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<v Speaker 4>and she says that officialdom, politicians, the media, academics, basically

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<v Speaker 4>the entire British establishment too often turned a blind eye,

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<v Speaker 4>and so Starma is now under huge pressure to get this.

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<v Speaker 3>National inquiry up and running.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's going to be the most serious reckoning

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<v Speaker 4>Britain has had with itself in one hundred years. This

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<v Speaker 4>is a scandal that has scarred this country and it's

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<v Speaker 4>really about time we got to grips with it, of course.

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<v Speaker 2>And oh, it seems like I'm able to actually talk

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<v Speaker 2>back to you now. I couldn't talk to you before

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<v Speaker 2>without airing ourselves back. So that's good. We were able

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<v Speaker 2>to to continue going forward in a conversational style. And

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<v Speaker 2>I want to ask you about this, the issue with

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<v Speaker 2>and perhaps the deal that Keio Starmer has managed to

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<v Speaker 2>do with Donald Trump as far as the trade is concerned.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that making much news.

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<v Speaker 4>It's kind of been drowned out by all the other stuff,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, It's been drowned out by war in the

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<v Speaker 4>Middle East, the grooming gang scandal here at home, and

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<v Speaker 4>other things as well.

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<v Speaker 3>But it has made a trickle.

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<v Speaker 4>I think people generally feel that Keir Starmer, for all

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<v Speaker 4>his faults is handling Donald Trump pretty well. I mean

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<v Speaker 4>it's well known and I'm sure Donald Trump knows this

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<v Speaker 4>himself that Kiirs, Starmer and his cabinet are not fans

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<v Speaker 4>of Donald Trump. You know, virtually all of them have

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<v Speaker 4>said really quite shocking things about him in the past.

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<v Speaker 4>So David Lammy, our foreign secretary, once called Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 4>a Nazi and the KKK supporter. So it's always very

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<v Speaker 4>awkward aroun our foreign secretary has to go to Washington

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<v Speaker 4>and talk to the officials there. But even with all that,

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<v Speaker 4>I think Starmer is actually doing a pretty good balancing

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<v Speaker 4>act between pushing back against Trump on certain issues but

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<v Speaker 4>really welcoming him into a better trade situation where we're

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<v Speaker 4>not as punished by tariffs as other countries are.

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<v Speaker 2>And we mentioned before I wanted to talk aback with

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<v Speaker 2>you with the Israel Iran warb and I had a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of technical problem there too, So now we're

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<v Speaker 2>able to actually have a bit of more of a

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<v Speaker 2>chat about this. What is the feeling in the UK

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<v Speaker 2>about the way this is going.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, it's a very strange discussion we're having

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<v Speaker 4>in the UK about this, because some people are in

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<v Speaker 4>favor of Britain and America getting involved. Not many, but some,

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<v Speaker 4>but the general feeling is that we shouldn't get involved

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<v Speaker 4>in You know what, I just feel like there is

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<v Speaker 4>so much gaslighting on this conflict because if you listen

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<v Speaker 4>to left wing voices and anti war voices and a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of the broad cheap media and the mainstream media,

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<v Speaker 4>the way they taught, you would think that Israel was

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<v Speaker 4>the criminal aggressor and Iran was its poor little victim,

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<v Speaker 4>And to my mind, is just that just turns the

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<v Speaker 4>truth completely on its head. You know, this war started

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<v Speaker 4>more than six hundred days ago when one of Iran's

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<v Speaker 4>proxy i e Hamas invaded Israel. It sent an army

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<v Speaker 4>of six thousand men into Israel, where they carried out

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<v Speaker 4>mass slaughter. As everyone knows. Of course, Hezbollah, another Iran proxy,

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<v Speaker 4>has been dropping bombs on northern Israel more than five

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<v Speaker 4>thousand over the past two years as well. And Israel

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<v Speaker 4>itself has fired missile Sorry, Iran itself has fired missiles

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<v Speaker 4>at Israel, hundreds of them over the past year. So

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<v Speaker 4>the idea that Israel is just out of the blue

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<v Speaker 4>launching an illegal war of aggression against Iran, it just

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't stack up. So the gas lighting part of the

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<v Speaker 4>discussion is driving me slightly mad. And I want to

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<v Speaker 4>just grab people by the scruff of the neck and say, listen,

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<v Speaker 4>this war's been going on for nearly two years and

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<v Speaker 4>it wasn't Israel that started it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, don't go grabbing anybody by any scruff of the neck,

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<v Speaker 2>given the fact that that will require you to to

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<v Speaker 2>probably sweat, and I imagine you're doing that right now

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<v Speaker 2>as the temperature pass is thirty two degree and how

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<v Speaker 2>many times have you had a heat wave like this

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<v Speaker 2>in the UK?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, can I just say what a brilliant segue that

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<v Speaker 4>was from scruff of.

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<v Speaker 3>The neck into hot weather. I know, I know. That's

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<v Speaker 3>why they pay you the big buck. You know what

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<v Speaker 3>I was doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I was doing the week.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's you're absolutely right. I am.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to give too much information and gross

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<v Speaker 4>out your listeners, but I am sweating as we speak.

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<v Speaker 4>It is very, very hot in the UK right now.

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<v Speaker 4>It's now half seven in the evening. Well it's quarter

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<v Speaker 4>to eight actually, and it's still very hot. The sun

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<v Speaker 4>is glaring through my window. It was thirty two degrees today.

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<v Speaker 4>Now I know to Ozzie's they're going to think, what

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<v Speaker 4>a bunch of whimps.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not that hot.

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<v Speaker 2>But that is hot for that is hot, very hard

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<v Speaker 2>for Britain, even by our standards. Thirty two degrees. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>it's twenty seven degrees at the moment in London. You've

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<v Speaker 2>come to the right guy. Twenty seven degrees at the

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<v Speaker 2>moment in London, but it feels like twenty nine. So

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<v Speaker 2>you have every reason to get hot, mate, And.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's right. I did earlier today. It was earlier,

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<v Speaker 4>it was even hotter than that. But you know, what's

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<v Speaker 4>so interesting to me about this is that we have

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<v Speaker 4>this tendency to pathologize the weather these days and to

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<v Speaker 4>see heat waves as a terrible, terrible thing. Now, of course,

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<v Speaker 4>they can be dangerous for vulnerable people, and we don't

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<v Speaker 4>have very good air conditioning facilities in this country, and

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<v Speaker 4>older people, we should keep an eye on them, make

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<v Speaker 4>sure they're hydrated and they're eating.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's a given.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, I think thirty years ago, when there

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<v Speaker 4>was weather like this, there would have been front page

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<v Speaker 4>pictures of people on the beach and kids having fun,

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<v Speaker 4>and people would have said go outside, put on your

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<v Speaker 4>son's screen.

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<v Speaker 3>Have some ice cream. Now it's very much about.

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<v Speaker 4>Climate change, the end of the world. What does this

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<v Speaker 4>heat wave tell us about, you know, the coming heat

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<v Speaker 4>depth of the planet. It's all a bit depressing and

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<v Speaker 4>I just want to say sometimes, look it's hot, that

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't happen very often.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there you go. That's a good positive way to

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<v Speaker 2>start the weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>Made a way. Is good to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much, Brendan O'Neal There in the UK, it's

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen minutes to five