Speaker 1: On two gb at network stations. This is Afternoons with
Speaker 1: Michael McLaren.
Speaker 2: Well it is, and what an afternoon is going to
Speaker 2: turn out to be. It will be very, very busy
Speaker 2: between now and three o'clock. A lot going on around
Speaker 2: the world, and for a Friday, it does seem to
Speaker 2: be incredibly busy newsday. Indeed, we will do our best
Speaker 2: to be across it for you between now and three o'clock.
Speaker 2: Of course, talk radio is always local, but we start
Speaker 2: by looking international. And I've been warning that this would
Speaker 2: happen for months and months, as you know, and here
Speaker 2: we are. Israel has launched a series of strikes on Iran,
Speaker 2: targeting their nuclear infrastructure and military sites, particularly missile sites.
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister benjaminette Yah, who in a televised address
Speaker 2: to his people, said that Israel was at a decisive
Speaker 2: point in its history and was forced to act. The
Speaker 2: reason being they want to stop Iran from bridge a
Speaker 2: nuclear weapon in a very short time. So said this
Speaker 2: was always going to happen. Iran was simply not willing,
Speaker 2: it seems, to hold back their nuclear ambitions and there
Speaker 2: was no way on God's Earth that Israel was going
Speaker 2: to allow them to put a nuclear warhead on the
Speaker 2: end of a missile. Weren't going to allow it. Now,
Speaker 2: you know, in the West, we talk about red lines,
Speaker 2: and you know Obama was talking about red lines in
Speaker 2: Syria and if they were crossed, we'd do something. And
Speaker 2: they were crossed and we did nothing. Benjamin Ettnya, who's
Speaker 2: a different kind of leader. So he says, you do
Speaker 2: this and there will be a consequence. In fact, I
Speaker 2: tee what, We're not even going to let you do it.
Speaker 2: If you look like you're getting close to doing it,
Speaker 2: we'll preemptively act. And he's done it. The world now
Speaker 2: holds its breath and awaits what Iran's response will be.
Speaker 2: Irana capable of a significant response, it's whether they're willing
Speaker 2: to go there and then risk the retaliation, which may
Speaker 2: be more than just from Israel. That is going to
Speaker 2: be what the Mullers and the Iranian political figures are
Speaker 2: mulling as we speak. They would have wargamed this, just
Speaker 2: as its reporter that Israel had been preparing for this
Speaker 2: for weeks, if not months. But in his address to
Speaker 2: the Israeli public, Benjamin Etya, who said our brave pilots
Speaker 2: are attacking a large number of targets across Iran, making
Speaker 2: clear that the targets were Iran's nuclear infrastructure, Iran's ballistic
Speaker 2: missile factories, and Iran's military capabilities. Now, on face value,
Speaker 2: I think most people in the Western hemisphere would say, well,
Speaker 2: this is probably good. If Israeli going to take out
Speaker 2: Iran's nuclear capabilities and missile capabilities and the rest of it,
Speaker 2: that's good. At least someone's going to do it, because
Speaker 2: those capabilities then transported over borders and put in the
Speaker 2: hands of people like Hamas and Hezbollah and the Houthis
Speaker 2: have created chaos, not just in the Middle East but
Speaker 2: around the world. Look what the Houthies have been doing
Speaker 2: to world trade going through the Red Sea. You know,
Speaker 2: we can't allow it to continue. And so Israeli doing
Speaker 2: I think what a lot of people wish that most
Speaker 2: other Western countries would do, and that is try to
Speaker 2: bring it into this But the question is can they
Speaker 2: contain it? That is the fallout? What's going to come next?
Speaker 2: Iran will respond, they can't not respond. When and how
Speaker 2: is the question. And Jerusalem as we speak, warning of
Speaker 2: immediate retaliation from Tehran. I'm not sure to be immediate
Speaker 2: but they'll be doing something. They'll be plotting something in revenge.
Speaker 2: Of course any nation would. So let's see what happens.
Speaker 2: This is the big story today, it'll be the big
Speaker 2: story for a while. International flights will be diverted from
Speaker 2: the region. Before the news came through, you might have
Speaker 2: been watching cable news as I was, and before the
Speaker 2: news came through, which was probably about I reckon about
Speaker 2: twenty past ten Australian Eastern time that the Israelis had
Speaker 2: struck Iran or I think in fact, the first news
Speaker 2: coming through was that explosions had been reported around Tehran.
Speaker 2: About ten or fifteen minutes before that, there were reports
Speaker 2: of the price of crude oil increasing, and so I
Speaker 2: wonder if it took a little while for the news
Speaker 2: to get to us about what had happened. But within
Speaker 2: the Middle East people were pretty clear about what was
Speaker 2: happening and the traders started making their moves. Certainly, in
Speaker 2: the space of the week, crude oil is up nine percent.
Speaker 2: It will go up even further in the hours ahead.
Speaker 2: So there will be an impact to you as the motorist,
Speaker 2: as well as airlines and all of those others. I'm
Speaker 2: sure the airlines have hedged their bets, and they've hedged pricing,
Speaker 2: and they've got long term contract. But nonetheless all of
Speaker 2: this will filter through financially across the world in the
Speaker 2: week or so ahead at the very minimum, So brace
Speaker 2: for imp that's the point. And of course, as we've seen,
Speaker 2: whenever Israel gets involved in any geopolitical matter, whether it's
Speaker 2: justified or questionable, increasingly in western countries like here, like
Speaker 2: in the United Kingdom, like in the United States, the
Speaker 2: internal political situation is ruptured, protests go onto the streets.
Speaker 2: What should be an issue that in some ways is
Speaker 2: geographically very removed from US becomes immediate to us, and
Speaker 2: our own societies start to fracture. And this is something
Speaker 2: that the Australian government and state governments in course policing
Speaker 2: services are going to have to be across as well.
Speaker 2: If this thing gets pretty hot, and it might, we
Speaker 2: are going to see some pretty significant action on our
Speaker 2: streets as different groups in different communities again go out
Speaker 2: there to take sides. I just hope that the response
Speaker 2: from authorities is better than it has been in the
Speaker 2: past should that happen. So we've got all of that
Speaker 2: and will be across it for you between now and three. Fortuitously,
Speaker 2: actually Alexander down To, the former Foreign Minister, is going
Speaker 2: to be my special guest. In the first hour, we
Speaker 2: were going to be speaking about Orcust, and we will
Speaker 2: because that's another big story when it comes to security.
Speaker 2: But I will obviously ask Alexander Downer about this situation
Speaker 2: and getting to put the old Foreign minister's hat on
Speaker 2: again and just try to channel what he would be
Speaker 2: thinking and doing as an Australian foreign minister, but also
Speaker 2: one that's plugged into Western alliances, including with Israel at
Speaker 2: this time. If he were in the big chair after
Speaker 2: one o'clock, we'll try to leave all that aside for
Speaker 2: a minute and do something a bit different, and I'll
Speaker 2: be really looking forward to speaking with Ian Baker Finch,
Speaker 2: one of the great Australian golfers of all time. Now
Speaker 2: there's a new biography and authorized biography about ean out
Speaker 2: It's called Ian Baker Finch To Hell and Back. And
Speaker 2: his was a story in many ways emblematic and typical
Speaker 2: of so many golfers of his generation. One they came
Speaker 2: out of Queensland. They almost all came out of Queensland
Speaker 2: in the nineteen eighties and the nineteen nineties. It was extraordinary.
Speaker 2: When you think Peter sr Ian Baker, Finch, Wayne Grady,
Speaker 2: Greg Norman, Carrie Webb, Adam Scott, and I mean you
Speaker 2: think about a lot of our great golfers. They're off
Speaker 2: in Queensland. I don't know what it is about the
Speaker 2: golf courses there, but it seems to breed top quality
Speaker 2: golfers who can match it with the best around the
Speaker 2: world on the international stage. And it's a story about
Speaker 2: working at pro shops and earning forty dollars a week
Speaker 2: for sixty hour weeks and getting lifts from mates to
Speaker 2: tournaments and all the rest of it before eventually, of course,
Speaker 2: making it internationally. And there was that incredible win at
Speaker 2: Royal Birkdale in nineteen ninety one. He got to lift
Speaker 2: the claret jugg he won the Open. But then it
Speaker 2: sort of went downhill and he resurrected himself outside of
Speaker 2: the golf course, but with golf still as the core
Speaker 2: of his story as a commentator, and he's now very
Speaker 2: well regarded and respected and I think very well paid
Speaker 2: all around the world being a leading golf commentator at
Speaker 2: the Masters and all of the great tournaments. You think
Speaker 2: is with CBS, so looking forward to speaking with Ian
Speaker 2: and learning a bit about his life story. After one
Speaker 2: o'clock'll be here from domain. We've got Friday food. Of course,
Speaker 2: We've got the wonderful team from Sweet bell M And
Speaker 2: if you know the Inner West, you know Portugal, you
Speaker 2: know Sweet Belem is an institution. They have fantastic Portuguese sweets.
Speaker 2: So Jose Silver will be joining me from there, and
Speaker 2: I think we'll have all the locusts come down the corridor,
Speaker 2: of course when they arrive, because all the sweet treats
Speaker 2: will come and it's amazing, you know. We almost see
Speaker 2: nobody during the day here. Generally they're all in their
Speaker 2: own silos doing their own thing. But sort of Friday
Speaker 2: food about ten past two on a Friday, even people
Speaker 2: I don't think you worky, but just happen to be
Speaker 2: in Piermont or something, turn up and eat and then
Speaker 2: they leave. One of those sort of things. And obviously
Speaker 2: we'll keep you up to date with news and finance.
Speaker 2: The finance world'll be interesting to watch with everything going on,
Speaker 2: so stay with us. There'll be plenty happening. One three, one, eight, seven, three,
Speaker 2: eighteen past twelve. Well, look this one didn't get much attention,
Speaker 2: but yesterday the new South Waleses Order to General released
Speaker 2: his report into the regulation of poker machines. Now, the report,
Speaker 2: by the government's own admission, had a particular focus on
Speaker 2: harm minimization, but the takeaway message was pretty clear, as
Speaker 2: the Order to General himself wrote, quote, the Department and
Speaker 2: the Independent Liquor and Gaming Authority are not supporting harm
Speaker 2: minimization outcomes effectively. Now, the report does say the relevant
Speaker 2: Department has developed a strategy that outlines its priorities in
Speaker 2: this space. However, and I quote, the strategy does not
Speaker 2: have a significant focus on the areas that are considered
Speaker 2: high risk for gambling harm and does not set any
Speaker 2: targets for reducing harm associated with gaming machines. Now, I
Speaker 2: think you'd say that's hardly your ringing endorsement of the
Speaker 2: status quo. Let alone the men's government rhetoric about doing
Speaker 2: everything they can to limit the of problem gambling across
Speaker 2: this state. Now, as you said, a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 2: the former Premier Dominic Perrete went to the twenty twenty
Speaker 2: three election promising radical reform in this space, including I
Speaker 2: think cashless technology, but he lost Peter Dutton led the
Speaker 2: charge to rain in the gambling advertising that smothers the
Speaker 2: broadcast of live sport, but obviously he also lost. And
Speaker 2: like many gamblers, Chris Mens might be a tad superstitious
Speaker 2: and is no doubt aware of the saying that things
Speaker 2: happen in threes. Perhaps that explains his lukewarm approach to
Speaker 2: gambling reform. I don't know. I don't know, but there's
Speaker 2: no doubt this state is saturated with poke machines and
Speaker 2: that's not Chris Mens's fault. But he's now in the
Speaker 2: big chair and he's got the authority to do something
Speaker 2: about it. And I think most sensible people agree something
Speaker 2: has to be done now. The auditor's report says New
Speaker 2: South Wales has significantly more poker machines than all other
Speaker 2: Australian jurisdictions combined. I mean, does that seem rational? According
Speaker 2: to the ABC, the same report also says the number
Speaker 2: of machines has increased since the Men's government took office,
Speaker 2: that is, despite legislative provisions that aim to reduce that number.
Speaker 2: Clearly the provisions aren't working. And considering we've got the
Speaker 2: world's second greatest number of poker machines outside of Las Vegas.
Speaker 2: The fact that the whole industry only has twelve gambling
Speaker 2: inspectors on the job defies my belief. Now, to make
Speaker 2: matters worse, all twelve are based in Sydney, despite rising
Speaker 2: concerns about the increase in poker machine addiction in places
Speaker 2: like Newcastle and Wollongong and other regional centers. Now, for
Speaker 2: their part, the government released a list of initiatives that
Speaker 2: they've rolled out and they claim will help, including the
Speaker 2: introduction of responsible gambling officers in venues with more than
Speaker 2: twenty gaming machine entitlements, the banning of external signage that
Speaker 2: you know, those silly dragon things or whatever that were
Speaker 2: luring the gamblers in. But not many are convinced they're
Speaker 2: really trying too hard in this space. And the one
Speaker 2: group that's surprisingly vocal in its criticisms is actually Union's
Speaker 2: New South Wales. They describe the government's efforts to reduce
Speaker 2: poker machine numbers as woefully inadequate. Now. As Mark Murray,
Speaker 2: the secretary of Union's New South Wales says, quote, supply
Speaker 2: creates demand and in turn misery. And while the government
Speaker 2: congratulates itself on administrative changes families in Fairfield are losing
Speaker 2: three two hundred and twenty five dollars per adult annually
Speaker 2: on poker machines. That's new South Wales Unions words not
Speaker 2: mine now, the Unions, I think hitting on something that
Speaker 2: you'd think the Labour Party be more attuned to, and
Speaker 2: that is the disproportionate impact that these machines are having
Speaker 2: on their traditional voting base in Southwest Sydney. But then again,
Speaker 2: maybe the gaming lobby is more a frightening entity to
Speaker 2: stare down than the voters every four years because, believe me,
Speaker 2: Macquarie Streets basic do nothing approach to the proliferation of
Speaker 2: poker machines and the harm they're doing out there. It's
Speaker 2: got nothing to do with libertarian ideology or desire to
Speaker 2: celebrate the concept of personal agency or none of that.
Speaker 2: Those concepts are foreign to the Labor Party. Actually, to
Speaker 2: be fair, they're foreign to most politicians and the public service.
Speaker 2: It'll be more about fear of the gaming lobby than
Speaker 2: anything else. Now. In the meantime, despite thousands of people
Speaker 2: having the occasional and yes safe flutter, thousands more will
Speaker 2: continue to lose their homes, their life savings, their marriages,
Speaker 2: and in some cases their lives, as the powerful pull
Speaker 2: of the pokies surrounds them in almost every pub and
Speaker 2: club across the state. And the sad truth is, despite
Speaker 2: everyone knowing what these things are doing in the saturation
Speaker 2: levels that they exist, no one in a position to
Speaker 2: do anything about it is really it seems keen to act. Apparently,
Speaker 2: they call this leadership. Could it be with you? One
Speaker 2: three one eight seven three on this Friday? A little
Speaker 2: bit of cloud out there. I think we are expecting
Speaker 2: a bit of rain later. I'll give you a full
Speaker 2: weather update about an hour from now. Thank you for
Speaker 2: all the feedback. I think that the thing where the
Speaker 2: poke's resonated with some anyway, This one from Ann who
Speaker 2: says brilliant. I wonder what the Premiere, or indeed any
Speaker 2: politician would do if someone close to them had the
Speaker 2: gambling problem, just keep talking and doing nothing. I doubt it. Yeah, well, look,
Speaker 2: I was half tempted to write that in the editorial myself,
Speaker 2: but I don't know the circumstances and of the cabinet ministers,
Speaker 2: the Premier or anybody. They may indeed have people close
Speaker 2: to them with a gambling addiction. I mean chances are
Speaker 2: they probably know someone. I mean everybody I would assume
Speaker 2: knows someone directly or indirectly with a gambling addiction. But
Speaker 2: the problem is when you're in a position to do
Speaker 2: something about it and you sort of you tinker at
Speaker 2: the edges, but the significant reform is missing, then you
Speaker 2: know you're not really trying. And I suspect it's because
Speaker 2: they fear the gaming lobby. I mean, that's my only suspicion.
Speaker 2: I mean, what else could it be. Every sensible person
Speaker 2: knows and I have the inner libertarian streak I think
Speaker 2: which comes out and as I said, personal agency people.
Speaker 2: I would love a world where people could just walk
Speaker 2: past the gaming room and not put their home deposit
Speaker 2: through the slots over four nights. But that's not the
Speaker 2: real world. There's a lot of people who are addicted,
Speaker 2: and okay, there's avenues they can get help in the
Speaker 2: rest of it. But we as a community, via our government,
Speaker 2: aren't helping the real world that we live in. When
Speaker 2: we saturate the joint with these machines, you know, that's
Speaker 2: just We've got Queen of the Nile every three meters
Speaker 2: in Sydney. It doesn't help, and it's crazy it's ridiculous,
Speaker 2: and it's the labor heartland that's getting belt of the worst,
Speaker 2: and yet the Labor Party aren't really that active in
Speaker 2: this space. I don't understand why this is that. I
Speaker 2: can only suspect that it's the a fear the lobbyists
Speaker 2: that knock on their doors in Macquarie Street more than
Speaker 2: they fear the wrath of the voter. Every four years.
Speaker 2: They assume that the issue will come and go and
Speaker 2: come the election will be cost of living or to
Speaker 2: be metros or something like that. And the whole thing
Speaker 2: about poke machines. They won't worry me. They'll vote for
Speaker 2: us anyway, and they probably will. And so you know,
Speaker 2: as a politician, you weigh up the lesser of the
Speaker 2: two evils. So I guess that's what's going on. But
Speaker 2: that's not leadership. And this isn't good for the state.
Speaker 2: It's not good for the individuals affected, it's not good
Speaker 2: for GDP, it's not good for anything. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: banned poker machines. I mean, my grandmother played poker machines
Speaker 2: and she played them safely. She didn't have a problem.
Speaker 2: She was lucky. A lot of people do have a problem,
Speaker 2: and yet we have just flooded the space with these
Speaker 2: and continue to add to them despite some legislative provisions
Speaker 2: which the Orders to General Report said are in place,
Speaker 2: which clearly are not delivering in the reduction of machines.
Speaker 2: So you know, I suspect Chris Minds has said, well, look,
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton had this on the agenda, he got flogged.
Speaker 2: Dominic Perrete had this certainly on the agenda. He got flogged.
Speaker 2: I don't intend to get flogged. Maybe he's the smart
Speaker 2: one has learned the political lesson one three one eight
Speaker 2: seven three. The situation in Iran Axios has some interesting
Speaker 2: insights here, making the point that the US notified several
Speaker 2: of its allies in private yesterday that's Thursday, that Israeli
Speaker 2: strikes were imminent, and they made clear it was not involved.
Speaker 2: That is, the Americans were not involved. This is from
Speaker 2: a source familiar with the discussions. Now, as I was
Speaker 2: saying to some of the team here, the Israelis will
Speaker 2: have informed the Americans that they were going to do this.
Speaker 2: They have that relationship. They wouldn't do it unilaterally to
Speaker 2: the extent that they do it without American prior knowledge.
Speaker 2: And as Daniel and others have reminded me on the text,
Speaker 2: it was just yesterday, or was at the day before,
Speaker 2: perhaps that the Americans decided that they would be removing
Speaker 2: non essential staff out of the American embassy in Iraq.
Speaker 2: Now perhaps they've come out of other places in the
Speaker 2: Middle East as well. And Donald Trump was asked by
Speaker 2: the media, why are you taking the families and non
Speaker 2: essential staff out of these embassies and the answer was
Speaker 2: something like, well you'll see soon, words to that effect.
Speaker 2: So the Americans have been told by the Israelis we're
Speaker 2: going to hit them, and the Americans said it seems okay,
Speaker 2: well you can do it, but we're not going to
Speaker 2: get involved. And so Israel have struck, and now we
Speaker 2: await what the Iranian response is. Benjaminette and Yahoo has
Speaker 2: said that the planning had in fact been underway for months,
Speaker 2: and the planning being to simultaneously strike Iran's nuclear and
Speaker 2: missile programs. So, okay, hit it where the problem is nuclear,
Speaker 2: but at the same time, try to hit as hard
Speaker 2: as you can their ability to retaliate, and they will
Speaker 2: use missiles to retaliate, but the Israelis will be I
Speaker 2: think quietly confident that they can hold them out because
Speaker 2: they have smashed Iran's proxy armies that surround Israel itself
Speaker 2: in the form of smashing Hezbolla in southern Lebanon and
Speaker 2: smashing Hamas in Gaza in the West Bank, and so
Speaker 2: the Houthis are weakened in the south in Yemen, so
Speaker 2: Israel will feel they are stronger to do this than
Speaker 2: they would have been six or twelve months ago. There
Speaker 2: are some reports coming out by the way that one
Speaker 2: of the Revolutionary Guard's main men has been killed in
Speaker 2: these strikes as well. I believe that has been confirmed,
Speaker 2: and I'll bring you the details when I've got them
Speaker 2: in front of me. One three, one eight seven three.
Speaker 2: Alan says, you switched on. We talk in the West
Speaker 2: about red lines and crossing the lines and lines in
Speaker 2: the sand, but Trump and Bebie just get on with it.
Speaker 2: Action action, action, Well there is that, isn't there. Thank you, Ellen.
Speaker 2: I appreciate your note as always. Yes, so the individual
Speaker 2: that has been hit and killed in Iran's Islamic Revolutionary
Speaker 2: Guard course the commander in chief, So might at the top,
Speaker 2: General Husseini Salami sa Lami, the commander in chief of
Speaker 2: Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. It's reported the CNN confirming
Speaker 2: this killed during Israel's avinight attacks. Multiple Iranian state media
Speaker 2: outlets of reported this. So General Hussein Salamei, the commander
Speaker 2: in chief of Iran's Revolutionary Guard, cause dead. So they've
Speaker 2: got him now. As for the oil situation, because this
Speaker 2: is how we'll pay immediately. US oil prices extended sharp
Speaker 2: gains overnight with Israel carrying out these strikes on Iran.
Speaker 2: As of nine to eighteen pm Eastern time, America oil
Speaker 2: was up eight point three percent. It's now up to
Speaker 2: seventy three dollars and seventy five cents US a barrel.
Speaker 2: Not that long ago. It was down in the high
Speaker 2: fifties or those sixties, I think. So crude is now
Speaker 2: on track for its biggest one day percentage increase since
Speaker 2: March twenty twenty two. And that's, of course when Russia
Speaker 2: went into Ukraine. So let's just see what happens with oil.
Speaker 2: But the price up eight point three percent in trading today.
Speaker 2: I believe now seventy three dollars seventy five US a barrel.
Speaker 2: That's twenty six to one. All right. Well to say
Speaker 2: there's a fair bit happening around the world would be
Speaker 2: an understatement. Obviously, we've got, from Australian point of view,
Speaker 2: this whole Orcust agreement front of mind. We've got our
Speaker 2: Prime minister heading to the United States and Canada, hopefully
Speaker 2: also for a bilateral meeting with the President of the
Speaker 2: United States and we can get some certainty and surety
Speaker 2: over ORCUS. But in among all of that, we've now
Speaker 2: got Israel striking nuclear facilities and missile facilities in Iran,
Speaker 2: and the world awaits the response, as does Israel. I
Speaker 2: wanted to turn to someone who understands the moving parts
Speaker 2: here because he's been here, he's done it. Alexander Downer,
Speaker 2: a former foreign minister, one of our greatest foreign ministers.
Speaker 2: He joins me on the line from the United States. Alexander,
Speaker 2: once again, thank you for your time.
Speaker 3: It's a great pleasure. Happy to talk to you.
Speaker 2: I mean, the circumstances are troubling. Let's get to UCAS later.
Speaker 2: Let's deal with the news now about what's happening in
Speaker 2: the Middle East. First. You know, the Middle East has
Speaker 2: never been a peaceful part of the world. When you
Speaker 2: were Foreign minister, it was always a hot house you know,
Speaker 2: that won't change. That's intergenerational and all of that. But
Speaker 2: this is an escalation unlike we've seen for quite a while,
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 3: It is a substantial escalation. I mean, it's been coming,
Speaker 3: I suppose because the Israelis have made it clear that
Speaker 3: if Iran were ever to get a nuclear weapon, that
Speaker 3: would be an existential threat for the Jewish people. And
Speaker 3: they put up with the Holocaust once, so they don't
Speaker 3: want another Holocaust, so they don't to stop it no
Speaker 3: matter what. And I mean, I'm not sure the Iranians
Speaker 3: have taken this sufficiently seriously. Really. I think they've operated
Speaker 3: on the basis that the Israelis wouldn't attack their facilities.
Speaker 3: But now they have. We'll see how much damage they've done.
Speaker 3: The Israelis have done. But more to the point, what
Speaker 3: will Run's Retaliat reaction be. Will they focus on Israel itself,
Speaker 3: which might be quite hard for them, they focus on
Speaker 3: the Western world or the whole world by closing off
Speaker 3: the states of Homuns so no oil can get out
Speaker 3: of the Gulf States into the international community, which would
Speaker 3: have a huge effect on the global economy.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's interesting Iran itself, though, because you know, we
Speaker 2: tend to talk about these countries Israel, Iran, whatever, homogeneous
Speaker 2: geopolitical blobs, but they're not. I mean, within Iran, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of anti government sentiment among the population. And
Speaker 2: of course you're there in the United States. The exiled
Speaker 2: Crown Prince of Iran is based in the United States,
Speaker 2: and he's been pretty active diplomatically the last couple of years, saying, look,
Speaker 2: you get me back on the peacock thrown and I'll
Speaker 2: open a run up to the west like Medad did.
Speaker 2: So the Mullers and the Revolutionary Guard, they're going to
Speaker 2: have to play their cards carefully here from within as
Speaker 2: well as from without, aren't they.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a very perceptive point. There's no doubt that
Speaker 3: the regime is on the whole pretty unpopular in Iran.
Speaker 3: Told that they wouldn't have more than around twenty percent
Speaker 3: support of the Iranian people. On the other hand, the
Speaker 3: Iranians are very proud people the Persians, if you like.
Speaker 3: They're very proud of their history and very proud of
Speaker 3: their culture, and many of them are very sophisticated people,
Speaker 3: and they will rally round the flag in a situation
Speaker 3: like this. They won't just blame me the leadership, but
Speaker 3: they have been very down on the leadership the public.
Speaker 3: I mean they, for example, do think that the leadership
Speaker 3: are wasting national resources supporting the so called Palestinian resistance
Speaker 3: because you know, the Iranians are Sheer Muslims and Palestinians
Speaker 3: are Sunni Muslims, so the public are a bit confused
Speaker 3: as to why they're supporting the Sundi Muslims.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's that old divide coming back now. In America,
Speaker 2: an acronym has bubbled up the last so many months.
Speaker 2: Taco Trump always chickens out. I don't think there's a
Speaker 2: corresponding acronym, Naco Netanya who always chickens out. No, I
Speaker 2: mean I was making this goes to your point earlier
Speaker 2: about maybe a run a little surprised that this has happened,
Speaker 2: because you know, I've been saying for months on air,
Speaker 2: Israel will strike a range nuclear facilities, not if it's win,
Speaker 2: and most people are that's rupture. Well here we are,
Speaker 2: because they can't countenance having a rival right beside them
Speaker 2: who has a nuclear warhead that can go straight into
Speaker 2: televiven blow the show up. They're just not going to
Speaker 2: allow that line to be crossed. Is there a lesson
Speaker 2: here for Western governments that talk about red lines and
Speaker 2: lines in the sand but don't follow through.
Speaker 3: There is, of course the decision. I'm trying to remember
Speaker 3: what year it was back in twenty fourteen, when twenty
Speaker 3: fifteen it might have been when the Syrian president has
Speaker 3: had used chemical weapons against his own people, and President
Speaker 3: Obama had already said that would be crossing a red
Speaker 3: line if that happened, and then decided not to do
Speaker 3: anything about it. You know, you can't do that in
Speaker 3: international diplomacy, just as you can't do that in dealing
Speaker 3: with people more generally. If you make a threat, you've
Speaker 3: got to be prepared to carry it out. Otherwise, don't
Speaker 3: make any threats. And the West has been vacillating and
Speaker 3: weak for a long time. It's been uncertain. It's been
Speaker 3: uncertain until more recently in Ukraine. It's been uncertain in
Speaker 3: dealing with the Middle East, in particular the Iranians, and
Speaker 3: though pretty uncertain in dealing with China. Whereas the West
Speaker 3: needs to rally and be decisive. This attack on Iran
Speaker 3: is going to be a huge test for the West
Speaker 3: whether they support what the Israelis have done, which is
Speaker 3: in defense of their very existence, or whether the West
Speaker 3: will start vacillating again. And I worry. I think they
Speaker 3: will start vacillating. They'll be critical of the Israelis and
Speaker 3: they'll think it's provocative and so on. But the Israelis
Speaker 3: live in a different environment. They live in an environment
Speaker 3: where they're very existence is a threat and they've got
Speaker 3: to deal with those threats.
Speaker 2: Is a philosophical or sociological question off the back of
Speaker 2: that for you, then, Alexander, why are we a bunch
Speaker 2: of vacillators our grandparents word? Why do we see the
Speaker 2: world now in shades of gray? I'm not saying black
Speaker 2: and white's always the answer, but I think I agree
Speaker 2: with you. In Western circles, be it from diplomacy all
Speaker 2: the way down to the shopping on the street, the
Speaker 2: average person doesn't seem to have a very a sense
Speaker 2: of right or wrong, or our place in the world
Speaker 2: or anything anymore.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's a great question. I mean, what
Speaker 3: was not my grandfather, but my father who fought against
Speaker 3: the Japanese in the Second World War. He was a
Speaker 3: prisoner of war for three and a half years in Changi,
Speaker 3: so he wasn't very successful, but nevertheless that they were
Speaker 3: the so called heroic generation, the brave generation. Then we
Speaker 3: had the Cold War, and we thought there was a
Speaker 3: right and a wrong, a moral and a moral about
Speaker 3: the free world versus the communist world. We won the
Speaker 3: Cold War, and then after that we started to wobble,
Speaker 3: and there are several things that did that. The spread
Speaker 3: of democracy.
Speaker 4: Didn't work as well as we'd hoped.
Speaker 3: For example, in Afghanistan and Iraq. There was the global
Speaker 3: financial crisis in two thousand and seven two thousand and they,
Speaker 3: and I think those two events in particular undermined the
Speaker 3: confidence of the West, and the West started to fracture
Speaker 3: somewhat after that. So when President Putin first attacked Ukraine,
Speaker 3: that wasn't so recently, that was in twenty fourteen, that
Speaker 3: was eleven years ago. I mean, the West didn't do
Speaker 3: very much about it. And yet President Putin took over
Speaker 3: Crimea and took over quite a big percentage of the country.
Speaker 3: So the West became uncertain and hesitant and less robust
Speaker 3: and less morally convinced of its cause. And I don't
Speaker 3: think that's changed much. I mean, people don't any longer
Speaker 3: think standing up for liberal democracy and the free market
Speaker 3: economic system and so on is a moral cause. They
Speaker 3: don't look at it in that way. That's one of
Speaker 3: the reasons why we've become less robust. And also our
Speaker 3: politicians have reflected this change in public opinion. Maybe they've
Speaker 3: failed to show any real leadership, but they've just become
Speaker 3: followers of opinion polls rather than leaders in recent years.
Speaker 2: Okur with that point. Finally, then to what we were
Speaker 2: actually going to talk about before it all was turned
Speaker 2: upside down about two hours ago. The Orcus arrangements. I mean,
Speaker 2: you've been speaking with the relevant people behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: You've got great clout as a former foreign minister. I
Speaker 2: mean I suspect that this whole review is one. It's
Speaker 2: a stock standard practice when administration's changed too. It's probably
Speaker 2: part of the financial shakedown. In my opinion, get a
Speaker 2: bit more money out of the Aussies and we'll give
Speaker 2: what they need. But what's your take. Orcus still going
Speaker 2: to go ahead in all three pillars, but maybe we'll
Speaker 2: have to dig a little deeper into our pockets or something.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 3: I think the UCUST will go ahead, there's no question
Speaker 3: of that. And the US administration certainly supports AUCUS. There's
Speaker 3: one aspect of it which is controversial in Washington, particularly
Speaker 3: in the Pentagon, and that is selling Australia Virginia class
Speaker 3: submarines from twenty thirty two. I think it is selling
Speaker 3: US two or possibly even three of those, which means
Speaker 3: the US four goes having those submarines. They come under
Speaker 3: Australian command rather than American command. So there will be
Speaker 3: a debate about that. I mean, we should be arguing
Speaker 3: that it's in America's interest to have a strong, potent
Speaker 3: Australian defense force as a reliable and solid ally of
Speaker 3: the United States, contributing to the balance of power in
Speaker 3: the Indo Pacific region and therefore the peace of the region.
Speaker 3: But whether that argument will fly with everybody in the
Speaker 3: pent and that's an open question. But I August will
Speaker 3: go ahead, there's no question of that. The suggestion that
Speaker 3: they're going to abandon UCUS is nonsense. But the sale
Speaker 3: of the Virginia class submarines, well.
Speaker 4: That could be delayed, it could be changed.
Speaker 3: Or it might just go ahead as planned, and I
Speaker 3: hope it does go ahead as planned.
Speaker 2: When the problem is you've got to have submarines to sell,
Speaker 2: and at this point in time they don't, and even
Speaker 2: with the third production runway they may not.
Speaker 3: Exactly so that I think I've got the figures right here.
Speaker 3: They're producing one point two Virginia class nuclear power submarines
Speaker 3: a year has gone. Regard to that, administration regards that
Speaker 3: as too few. Therefore, why would you sell a couple
Speaker 3: of them to the Australians. However, they are, as you
Speaker 3: quite rightly say, going to restroduction, and if they get
Speaker 3: their production up beyond two or possibly to as some
Speaker 3: people hope to as many as three year, then that
Speaker 3: will become less of a problem from my point of view.
Speaker 2: I've soaked up plenty of your valuable time. Thank you
Speaker 2: for being generous, Alexander, and to have a good afternoon
Speaker 2: or evening your time.
Speaker 3: It's saveing, yes, thanks, good to talk.
Speaker 2: To you you two as always, Alexander down to the
Speaker 2: former foreign minister. It's ten to one. Well at six
Speaker 2: and a half minutes to one. Just by chance, of course,
Speaker 2: we editorialized about the situation of poke machines in this state.
Speaker 2: There was a bit of a question starting to bubble
Speaker 2: through the media earlier today as to where the Crown
Speaker 2: Casino would be granted poke machine licenses. Of course it
Speaker 2: doesn't have them at this point in time. But if
Speaker 2: the star hits the skids, well then where are the
Speaker 2: poke is going to go? All this sort of thing. Well,
Speaker 2: the Sydney Morning Herald reporting that the Premiere has just
Speaker 2: ruled out allowing Crown Resorts to have poke machines that
Speaker 2: at Sydney Casino, insisting that the government would not change
Speaker 2: the gaming giants strict operating life. Since so the Premier said, no, Crown,
Speaker 2: you're not going to get poker machines. As the Herald reports,
Speaker 2: Crown Resorts executives have been lobbying MPs and a push
Speaker 2: to have poker machines at the Barangaroo site, buoyed by
Speaker 2: an encouraging meeting. It says here with the New South
Speaker 2: Wales Gaming Minister David Harris, Crown not permitted to operate
Speaker 2: poker machines that at Sydney Casino under its license with
Speaker 2: the New South Wales government, and allowing the company to
Speaker 2: operate them would require legislative change. It does look as
Speaker 2: though that change will not be happening. I think that's sensible,
Speaker 2: mind you, Some would say well, you know the Crown
Speaker 2: casinos that were pretty much off limits to Australian citizens.
Speaker 2: It will Sydney. You know, it's mainly for the international players,
Speaker 2: so you know, if they want to lose their money
Speaker 2: in the Pokeys, well then why don't we take a
Speaker 2: few that are taking money out of the Aussies and
Speaker 2: put them in there. But anyway, that's not going to happen,
Speaker 2: so the takeaway messages Crown will not be getting poker machines.
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Speaker 2: and straight after that, Ian Baker Finch.
Speaker 1: Now onto GB and network stations, back to afternoons with
Speaker 1: Michael McLaren.
Speaker 2: Well of course for lovers of Goldfall Eye at the moment,
Speaker 2: are on the Oakmont Country Club for the one hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty fifth US Open. It's a tournament. My next
Speaker 2: guest knows well. He's one of the nice guys, an
Speaker 2: Australian golfing champion, and his continuities career in the industry
Speaker 2: in the form of commentary across the majors, including the Masters.
Speaker 2: I am talking about Ian Baker Finch. His professional career
Speaker 2: began on the Australian Tour back in nineteen seventy nine
Speaker 2: and across the eighties and the nineties, Ian Bakervinch was
Speaker 2: a household name. He won seventeen titles worldwide. The most
Speaker 2: famous victory the apex, of course, was winning the Open
Speaker 2: at Royal Birkdale in nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 6: And there it is.
Speaker 7: Ian Baker Finch is the champion for nineteen ninety one
Speaker 7: sexty four sixty six, for the last two days, tremendous golf,
Speaker 7: a great Dave for Australia, first and second Burkenell belongs
Speaker 7: to them.
Speaker 8: The Open Championship is to me the most special event
Speaker 8: in my life.
Speaker 9: Just to plan it great thrill.
Speaker 8: To do well in it is fantastic, but to win
Speaker 8: it is a dream, not.
Speaker 2: A bad story from a boy from Beewer, outside of
Speaker 2: the Sunshine Coast in Queensland. And Ian's life story has
Speaker 2: been put to page with the help of Jeff Saunders.
Speaker 2: It's the new authorized biography. It's titled Ian Baker Finch
Speaker 2: To Hell and Back. And you know it tells the
Speaker 2: story of the highs and the lows, the challenges and yeah,
Speaker 2: the lucky breaks that were the hallmark I think actually
Speaker 2: of many an Australian golfer from that era, because of course,
Speaker 2: when you think about the Ian Baker Finch era, it
Speaker 2: was also the era of Wayne Grady to an extent,
Speaker 2: it was the era of Greg Norman. It was the
Speaker 2: era of many of these golfing names which we now
Speaker 2: venerate in the Australian pantheon of great golfers. As I said,
Speaker 2: one of the best is with me Ian Baker Finch
Speaker 2: on the line from the United States. A privilege to
Speaker 2: speak with you, en, and thank you for your time.
Speaker 9: Thank you very much, Michael. Good to be able to
Speaker 9: talk to you.
Speaker 8: And I'm not actually at the Open at Oakmont this week.
Speaker 9: It's a week off for CBS.
Speaker 8: We do the Masters and the PGA, but I am
Speaker 8: watching from afar and watching them all struggle like we
Speaker 8: always used to. And US Opens they tend to make
Speaker 8: those courses as difficult as possible.
Speaker 9: But always good to be with you. And I can't
Speaker 9: wait to get home.
Speaker 8: I get home for three or four months at the
Speaker 8: end of every year for our Australian golf summer and
Speaker 8: just can't wait to get back.
Speaker 2: Do you still consider Queensland home? I mean you spend
Speaker 2: a lot of time in the States now obviously, and
Speaker 2: golf took you around the world, but it's Queensland. Ber
Speaker 2: Is that still home to you?
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, Australia's home. Queensland's home or my family are there.
Speaker 8: I'm the youngest of six kids and that's where home is.
Speaker 8: And I don't spend all my time in Queensland. I
Speaker 8: spent a lot of time in Melbourne because the Australian
Speaker 8: Golf Center is in Melbourne, near across the road from
Speaker 8: Royal Melbourne, and I play at Kingston Heath a lot,
Speaker 8: my favorite course in the world. So yeah, I'm home
Speaker 8: all around Australia and yes it's still considered home after
Speaker 8: all these years.
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the start Queensland. As I said,
Speaker 2: there's a fascinating something in the water. I don't know
Speaker 2: what it is with Queensland with sport in general, but
Speaker 2: when you look at golf and this was all brought
Speaker 2: to me by reading this biography. The last four decades,
Speaker 2: Queensland golfers have won fourteen of our nineteen major championships.
Speaker 2: They finished runners up twenty one times in the majors.
Speaker 2: In the same period. Of course, Norman's Open win in
Speaker 2: eighty six. But then you look at where all of
Speaker 2: you guys came from, Beerway, air Bow Desert, these sort
Speaker 2: of places. I mean, they're not flash of richie suburbs
Speaker 2: in Brisbane or anything. But champion after champion of this
Speaker 2: year from the eighties through to Adam Scott in the
Speaker 2: twentieth first century all came out of Queensland. What is
Speaker 2: it about Queensland?
Speaker 8: You tend to prosper wherever the competition is, and we
Speaker 8: all had great competition through those years. You mentioned a
Speaker 8: few of my peers in Wayne Grady and Greg Norman, Pete,
Speaker 8: Peter mcgwinney, Jeff Woodland, so many really really top quality
Speaker 8: players of that era or from Queensland. You can't forget
Speaker 8: obviously Cari Webb, an icon of Australian golf and probably
Speaker 8: possibly our best Australian player ever. But I think we
Speaker 8: just grew up on rough and ready courses. We had
Speaker 8: great competition, but we also had to figure out how
Speaker 8: to play the best golf we could on the courses
Speaker 8: that were presented to us. So whenever we got on
Speaker 8: tough conditions, we always prospered. And if you look at
Speaker 8: the Open Championships and the Masters when the weather was tough.
Speaker 8: If you look at all of the Australians performances when
Speaker 8: the tough conditions presented themselves, the Aussies always did well.
Speaker 8: And I think in Queensland that was we went to
Speaker 8: Melbourne to learn how to put on fast greens because
Speaker 8: our greens were slow in Queensland. But the conditions were
Speaker 8: always very, very difficult and harsh, and we taught ourselves
Speaker 8: to play.
Speaker 2: You said, Curry Web could well be our greatest golf forever.
Speaker 2: That's true. The other name out of the two, the
Speaker 2: other would of course be Peter Thompson. He was a
Speaker 2: great mentor to you. And there was a beautiful anecdote
Speaker 2: in the book in the eighty four Open, and you
Speaker 2: were leading after three rounds and he comes out of
Speaker 2: the crowd. It was his swan song over there at
Speaker 2: the Great Course in Scotland at s Andrews, and he
Speaker 2: comes out and he puts his arm on your shoulder
Speaker 2: and gives you a bit of advice. But right throughout
Speaker 2: your career Peter Thompson was there, wasn't he.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he took a liking to me for whatever reason
Speaker 8: he thought I had what it took to perform at
Speaker 8: a high level. I don't really know what that was
Speaker 8: that he saw, but I believed in myself a lot
Speaker 8: more having him by my side and helping me through.
Speaker 8: He gave me lots of great wisdom. Hopefully I can
Speaker 8: pass that on and have passed that on to young
Speaker 8: players of the other eras he's still Jeff Saunders who
Speaker 8: wrote the book, and he wrote the book, as you've read,
Speaker 8: it's a great story of golf of my era, not
Speaker 8: necessarily just about me, and I think that's the best
Speaker 8: thing about the read itself, and I hope everyone appreciates
Speaker 8: that when they do read it, that it's not just
Speaker 8: a me Me me III type of biography. It's I
Speaker 8: am set in the middle of a great era in golf,
Speaker 8: and Peter Thompson was.
Speaker 9: Really the mentor for many.
Speaker 8: It's certainly the main reason I got to be where
Speaker 8: I am today, and the effort that he put into
Speaker 8: me and the learnings that I achieved through Peter have
Speaker 8: stood me in great stead.
Speaker 9: I'm sixty five.
Speaker 8: At the end of the year, and I owe a
Speaker 8: lot to Peter Thompson for where I am today and
Speaker 8: what I've been through.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's anecdotes in the book, of course about
Speaker 2: how he got you to change your feet positioning and
Speaker 2: you swing at all of these technical things in golf.
Speaker 2: But one of the I think the best advice you
Speaker 2: seemed to give was to say, I think was in
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty three, if I'm not mistaken, go to New Zealand.
Speaker 2: And you did that and you won in Auckland, and
Speaker 2: that was that was the breakthrough, really, wasn't it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, he said, he gains in good shape.
Speaker 8: I just finished runner up at the Open Championship at
Speaker 8: Kingston Heath Australian Open, and he said, go over to
Speaker 8: New Zealand and make sure you keep going, keep playing,
Speaker 8: play on those sorts of courses. They're a good test
Speaker 8: for you. I think you'll do well. That's where I started,
Speaker 8: et cetera. And I just spent three weeks over in
Speaker 8: New zeal And. I can't like to get back there.
Speaker 8: It rekindled an old friendship and Jeff Saunders is from there,
Speaker 8: the author, and we've become really good mates over the
Speaker 8: last three or four years writing this book. We basically
Speaker 8: finished it nearly a year ago, but it's being released
Speaker 8: now and it was a labor of love, just remembering
Speaker 8: all those old, great times and great stories.
Speaker 9: It's a fun.
Speaker 2: Read, beautiful stories. And as I said, you've made this
Speaker 2: point yourself in it's not just about you. You're You're
Speaker 2: the golden thread that runs through it, and the highs
Speaker 2: and the lows and everything. But I guess it's made
Speaker 2: a forick of the story of all of the others
Speaker 2: beat Wayne, Grady or all of the other names that
Speaker 2: are peppered throughout the book regularly that this is about
Speaker 2: an era of Australian golf, an era that seemed to
Speaker 2: have its catalyst often in Queensland, but nonetheless an era.
Speaker 2: And there's just the beautiful anecdotes about when you went
Speaker 2: to Europe the first time with all of them as
Speaker 2: long as like a Kentiki too. For golfers in nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty four. You know you're there, You've got a van
Speaker 2: and there's and you're living in some farm cottage. You're
Speaker 2: having your state kidney pies down at the local pub
Speaker 2: before the tournament and you're all there. You know, there's
Speaker 2: one bath. And I mean the golfers of today, I
Speaker 2: think a lot of them at the top level, they'd
Speaker 2: be removed from that kind of existence. Yes, but that
Speaker 2: was nineteen eighty's golf, wasn't it.
Speaker 8: Yes, one hundred percent. There wasn't any money. You know,
Speaker 8: if you had a great year, you won fifty thousand
Speaker 8: dollars and it costs you that much to travel around
Speaker 8: the world. Yeah, my brother was my accountant the first
Speaker 8: few years. I played, from eighteen years of age to
Speaker 8: twenty two, and every year it'd say.
Speaker 9: Well, you've done it again.
Speaker 8: You've earned ten thousand dollars and it cost fifteen thousand
Speaker 8: dollars to play.
Speaker 9: I don't know how you survived, but that's how we lived.
Speaker 8: And if someone had a good week in a good check,
Speaker 8: you know, we bought each other a steak dinner, and
Speaker 8: you know, someone shouted the beers at the bar if
Speaker 8: they had a good day, and it was just just
Speaker 8: a great camaraderie and matship. But once again, as I
Speaker 8: said earlier, the competition was so great amongst us all.
Speaker 8: That's why we became so good, because we were continually
Speaker 8: playing against top quality competition, not for much money, but
Speaker 8: playing for our lives basically, And that's what it was
Speaker 8: like in those days. And we all looked up to
Speaker 8: Greg because Greg sort of got ahead of that. He
Speaker 8: was the best in the world, and he wanted to
Speaker 8: be the best in the world, and he strove for that.
Speaker 2: Let's go to nineteen eighty four if we can, ok
Speaker 2: So Sonandrew's you're there. He's the first time you are
Speaker 2: professionally playing on that course. One hundred and fifty six players.
Speaker 2: You've got names like Tom Watson. I think he was
Speaker 2: meant to win it, of course, Jack Nicholas, Greg Norman, Lee, Trevino,
Speaker 2: Sevi Balisteros. You're rubbing shoulders with all these guys, not
Speaker 2: for the first time, but probably for the first time
Speaker 2: altogether on that particular course. What's it like as a
Speaker 2: young fella from Beerwa to be on that sort of
Speaker 2: a stage.
Speaker 8: Well, you certainly don't feel comfortable, because it's so different
Speaker 8: to be in the midst of the great players that
Speaker 8: you grew up revering and idolizing, to have a chance
Speaker 8: to play with them in the Open Championship. That was
Speaker 8: my goal was to play in an Open Championship, and
Speaker 8: the first time I played in eighty four, Peter Thompson
Speaker 8: and Graham Marsh and kel Nagel showed me around the
Speaker 8: course for three or four days beforehand, showed me the
Speaker 8: ropes and I went.
Speaker 9: On and led for three days.
Speaker 8: It was pretty amazing to be there with, as you said,
Speaker 8: Savvy and Tom and all of these great players. But
Speaker 8: Tom I had given me the self belief that, hey,
Speaker 8: if you're playing well and you can mix it with
Speaker 8: these guys, and he showed me around the course, so
Speaker 8: I knew the course well. I was very fortunate to
Speaker 8: have him on my side, that's sure. But it's so
Speaker 8: hard for a young guy coming from the bush to
Speaker 8: then all of a sudden be mixing it with those
Speaker 8: great players. But then as you start to progress and
Speaker 8: you start believing in yourself that's what it's all about,
Speaker 8: you then gain the confidence. And golf is a confidence game.
Speaker 8: And as you read through the middle of the book,
Speaker 8: when I lost my confidence, I no longer had that
Speaker 8: ability to play at that high level, although I still
Speaker 8: played well when it didn't really matter that much. So
Speaker 8: I talk about it all the time, and I've been
Speaker 8: doing so for more than twenty years. It's I can
Speaker 8: tell the guys when they're confident, and the you know
Speaker 8: they don't have both hands tightly held on the wheel.
Speaker 8: You can see the difference, and I have felt the difference.
Speaker 8: I think that's helped me in my years as a
Speaker 8: broadcaster as well well.
Speaker 2: Without doubt, I'm sure I mean that confidence. Think golf
Speaker 2: is as much of a sort of I guess, a
Speaker 2: physical technical game as it is a mental game. Often
Speaker 2: you're in the middle of a fair way, you're surrounded
Speaker 2: by a crowd, you've got a caddy, but really you're
Speaker 2: on your own. And throughout the eighties I was reading
Speaker 2: in the book, yet you were doing everything, reading everything
Speaker 2: you could get your hands on about the subject of
Speaker 2: positive thinking, gold setting. I think there was a Canadian Philo,
Speaker 2: Brian Tracy from memory. He put together a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2: You're absorbing all of that. Were you one of the
Speaker 2: first to take that side, that angle of the competition
Speaker 2: on the whole mental mindfulness aspect of it, or were
Speaker 2: there others also dabbling in that space in the eighties.
Speaker 8: There weren't many. I think Greg certainly was in a
Speaker 8: way in a different way. He didn't need help with
Speaker 8: self confidence. He was doing more zen stuff and breathing things,
Speaker 8: and he was a bit ahead of us in some ways.
Speaker 8: Wayne Grady was really in the goal setting, But I
Speaker 8: really believed in it and sort of took it to
Speaker 8: another level. That was I wouldn't listen to music in
Speaker 8: the car. I'd always have these tapes playing all the
Speaker 8: time when I read a book a week while I traveled.
Speaker 8: We didn't have podcasts and things like that in those days.
Speaker 8: It was a workman and tapes and books. So yeah,
Speaker 8: I think that helps certainly help me a lot. And
Speaker 8: I continued even through the bad times, trying to figure
Speaker 8: it out through books like that, so they don't always work.
Speaker 8: I think once again, a lot comes back to belief
Speaker 8: in yourself and confidence.
Speaker 2: I asked you about the eighty four British Open deliberately
Speaker 2: because you know you're striding down those incredible fair ways
Speaker 2: and I just wonder, if you're in the back of
Speaker 2: your mind all of that early stuff is coming through,
Speaker 2: you know, if it's a pinch me moment, you know,
Speaker 2: the years of being working in the pro shop, the
Speaker 2: years of getting the train being picked up in Brisbane
Speaker 2: by your mate so you can go to the tournament,
Speaker 2: you know, the less flash side of the build up
Speaker 2: to that moment. Does that all come flooding back in
Speaker 2: the moment.
Speaker 8: Not necessarily in the moment, but I think the ability
Speaker 8: to handle the moment comes from the toughening up of
Speaker 8: all of those things you mentioned. That was just a
Speaker 8: part of the process. Everything I'd gone through just meant
Speaker 8: that I had worked hard to get to where I
Speaker 8: was and helped build the confidence and helped build a
Speaker 8: self belief. But it's not like I'm walking down the
Speaker 8: last whole thinking, boy, I'm so glad I made that
Speaker 8: bus trip at four every morning to get to the tournament.
Speaker 8: So that sort of thing, you're not really thinking about it.
Speaker 9: It was more the memories of.
Speaker 8: Bringing all of that back in writing the book, and
Speaker 8: hopefully a lot of that comes through in the read.
Speaker 8: But at the time you're just focusing on the process
Speaker 8: of what you've got to do to be able to perform,
Speaker 8: and the confidence and the toughness and the resiliency is
Speaker 8: bred through that. You know, they say the toughest steel,
Speaker 8: the sharpest knives are forged in the hottest fires, right,
Speaker 8: And I think that that's a big case. And we
Speaker 8: talked about that with the Queenslanders. We grew up resilient
Speaker 8: and tough because of the conditions we had to play in.
Speaker 2: We mentioned them great names earlier. Sevi ballistros Tom Watson, whatnot.
Speaker 2: I bet none of their dad's built the local golf course.
Speaker 8: There, No, no, but it was. It was a wonderful
Speaker 8: experienced Dad and a few of the farmers just pushed
Speaker 8: up nine greens in white clay and dug a dam
Speaker 8: and dug a few drains to drain into the dam,
Speaker 8: planted some pine trees up and down the fairways. Beer
Speaker 8: or golf club as it's still played. It's eighteen holes now,
Speaker 8: but it was just nine back then. But some of
Speaker 8: the best times and memories of my young years in
Speaker 8: the late sixties driving down the farm from the farm
Speaker 8: to the course and the tractor six miles down the
Speaker 8: range from Beachester year some great times. Just another aspect
Speaker 8: of the story. That's a wow, you know, to people
Speaker 8: that don't know.
Speaker 2: It was a beautiful anecdote. As was the fact that
Speaker 2: you played cricket with Steve. Steve Irwin. No one, I
Speaker 2: don't think knew that. Yeah, the crocodile man.
Speaker 9: No, it was.
Speaker 8: It's funny that we all grew up in We all
Speaker 8: grew up in little areas like I grew up in Peachester.
Speaker 9: There was thirty five kids in our.
Speaker 8: School the cricket team started from grade threes up to
Speaker 8: grade sevens. Right Lands for School where Steve Irwin went
Speaker 8: had about one hundred kids, so they had a better team,
Speaker 8: probably just grade sixes and sevens, but the best of
Speaker 8: those young players back then we formed the Sunshine Coast
Speaker 8: Sea grade cricket team and Steve Irwin was I believe
Speaker 8: two or three years two years younger than me. But
Speaker 8: we had a team of team of cricketers that were
Speaker 8: all between twelve and fifteen and we won the flag
Speaker 8: that year. I wasn't there for the grand finale because
Speaker 8: I was winning a tournament in Brisbane, so there's a
Speaker 8: picture of us all there with a little sign that
Speaker 8: says absent Ian finch yep. But through the season it
Speaker 8: was a lot of fun and Steve Irwin was a
Speaker 8: real character. He used to go hunting for snakes when
Speaker 8: he was twelve years of age.
Speaker 2: Not much changed before I ask you about Wesley and
Speaker 2: Baker Wins today. In conclusion, let's just go right back
Speaker 2: to the start. We all know the Bradman story right
Speaker 2: The cricket stumped the golf ball. The water tank, practice, practice,
Speaker 2: practice made the better part of perfect. What was the
Speaker 2: en Baker Finch genesis.
Speaker 8: I would say it started with the love of golf
Speaker 8: by caddying for my dad and going down and building
Speaker 8: that golf course when I was seven eight nine years
Speaker 8: of age, but a cousin, my cousin Ian, gave me
Speaker 8: an old nine iron. He didn't play golf, but he'd
Speaker 8: found one in the garage that was from sort of
Speaker 8: nineteen forties era, and it was a forty five degree
Speaker 8: nine nine. And I learned to chip and pitch and
Speaker 8: hit shots and whatever with this nine nine around the farm,
Speaker 8: and I think I got really really good at just
Speaker 8: being me and being good with the short game from
Speaker 8: that time where I just had this nine nine, And
Speaker 8: even when I got my first set of clubs when
Speaker 8: I was twelve, it was a three five seven iron,
Speaker 8: a putter, and a two wood, and that old nine
Speaker 8: nine came with me and that was my lob wedge,
Speaker 8: my sand wedge, my pitching wedge, it was it was everything.
Speaker 8: So I think that was the start of it. I
Speaker 8: took myself to how to play with that one club,
Speaker 8: and then I had a lot of help along the
Speaker 8: way from a lot of different people, a lot of
Speaker 8: different PGA pros and certainly from Peter Thompson, one of
Speaker 8: the best ever players to help me along as well.
Speaker 8: So just very fortunate to come from a tiny little
Speaker 8: logging town up in the.
Speaker 9: Ranges of the Sunshine Coast to now.
Speaker 8: About to retire, I guess, and you know, I've had
Speaker 8: a pretty pretty good life as a golfer and then
Speaker 8: as a broadcaster. I've got two beautiful girls, two lovely grandchildren,
Speaker 8: another one on the way. I've been a blessed man
Speaker 8: you have.
Speaker 2: And the nineteen ninety one Champion Golfer of the Year,
Speaker 2: something that very few people can ever claim they were,
Speaker 2: yet many many aspire every Saturday when they go and
Speaker 2: play their matches. It's been a real privilege of mine
Speaker 2: to speak with you and thank you for all of
Speaker 2: your time. It's been really generous of you, and congratulation
Speaker 2: on really an extraordinary life and an extraordinary career.
Speaker 9: Thank you very much. Mike, You're a good man. Thank
Speaker 9: you so much.
Speaker 2: That's my absolute pleasure. In Baker Finch the book is
Speaker 2: cool to Helen back. It's a damn goodread. We'll get
Speaker 2: to the news in just a moment. Really, I really
Speaker 2: enjoyed just speaking with Ian Baker Finch, hope you enjoyed listening.
Speaker 2: A lot of the feedback suggests you did. Thank you
Speaker 2: for that. I'm getting reports from Lee of a substantial
Speaker 2: hole in the road southbound Prince's Highway. Now, this is
Speaker 2: right near the Rockdale Library. I think TMC Transport Management set.
Speaker 2: It's saying the middle lane has been closed here because
Speaker 2: of this site. Look a substantial hole in the road.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, but it looks like
Speaker 2: I could do some damage to a shock absorber or
Speaker 2: attire at least. So Lee, thank you for getting in touch.
Speaker 2: If you're down around that part of town and you've
Speaker 2: just gone past you, can you give us a buz and
Speaker 2: let us know exactly what we're dealing with here. Substantial
Speaker 2: hole in the road southbound Princess Highway near the Rockdale Library.
Speaker 2: According to Lee, it's about a meter by meter and
Speaker 2: a half, probably about half a foot deep to a
Speaker 2: foot deep. That'll do some damage. So I think the
Speaker 2: middle lane has been closed there. But further details I'll
Speaker 2: bring them to you. Speaking about further details, further details
Speaker 2: continue to come through from what's happened with Iran. As
Speaker 2: we said earlier, the Israelis have targeted the military. Well, yes,
Speaker 2: nuclear sites, but also some missile sites in the like
Speaker 2: CNN reporting that the facility, this is Iran's main uranium
Speaker 2: enrichment facility, is now engulfed by flames. This is according
Speaker 2: to social media images that have been re located by
Speaker 2: CNN and Iranian state television. The nuclear complex in Natants.
Speaker 2: It's about two hundred and fifty kilometers south of Tehran.
Speaker 2: It's considered Iran's largest uranium enrichment facility. It houses the
Speaker 2: country's advanced nuclear program. Analysts say that the site has
Speaker 2: used to develop and assemble centrifuges for uranium enrichment, obviously
Speaker 2: a key technology that turns uranium into a nuclear fuel.
Speaker 2: But social media video geolocated by CNN shows smoke rising
Speaker 2: from the direction of that facility, and some videos that
Speaker 2: have been posted online show large plumes of smoke billowing
Speaker 2: high into the sky from that complex. So whatever munitions
Speaker 2: the Israelis have views seemed to have been effective here.
Speaker 2: And Iran's main uranium enrichment facility, that is the main
Speaker 2: one we know of, is engulfed by flames three one
Speaker 2: eight seven three. So there's a lot of news around
Speaker 2: today and Aaron Mar's got all of it for us.
Speaker 10: Hello Eric, Hello there, Michael.
Speaker 5: There will be no change to the ban on Crown
Speaker 5: Barangaroo from installing poker machines, the premiere ruling out legislative changes.
Speaker 5: Foreign Minister Pennywong says it appears there were no Australians
Speaker 5: on board Air India Boeing Dreamliner when it crashed shortly
Speaker 5: after take off. More than two hundred people on board
Speaker 5: and on the ground were killed. Three men of faced
Speaker 5: court accused of being involved in the targeted shooting of
Speaker 5: the home of the suspected Alamadine crime boss. It was
Speaker 5: hit just after he'd left, and state and federal health
Speaker 5: ministers are meeting today to discuss tough national regulations. After
Speaker 5: two bungles at Monash ivf in Sport, Australian equestrian star
Speaker 5: heath Ryn's been suspended after a video emerged that appears
Speaker 5: to show him repeatedly striking a horse with a whip.
Speaker 5: The sixty six year old olympian defended the incident in
Speaker 5: a statement, saying it was part of a rescue mission
Speaker 5: to rehabilitate a problem horse. And there'll be more news
Speaker 5: at two o'clock on afternoons.
Speaker 1: Oh, weather update, we'll be here to help in unexpected weather.
Speaker 6: Nrmain Insurance a help company.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I say, chower or two on the way for
Speaker 2: Sydney today top of just sixteen degrees. They we'll get
Speaker 2: maybe six mil of rain when it does come through.
Speaker 2: No rain here at the moment, but looking west it
Speaker 2: is getting a little grain dark. Seventeen the top for
Speaker 2: Pendrith today, Liverpool the same, Richmond seventeen, Campbelltown seventeen, Bondi sixteen,
Speaker 2: Paramatta sixteen, Terry Hills. Well, I don't know, I didn't
Speaker 2: pay the rent. Only fifteen today, shower or two tomorrow
Speaker 2: for the city top of seventeen they reckon maybe another
Speaker 2: three mill of rain could be another tickle up of
Speaker 2: a mill or so on Sunday partly cloudy though eighteen
Speaker 2: and then the sun should pop out from Monday handbra
Speaker 2: Today morning frost, partly cloudy conditions after that thirteen the top.
Speaker 2: Tugernong's the same minus two overnight. It'll get up to
Speaker 2: fourteen tomorrow though in Canberra should be dry, morning frost
Speaker 2: and part the cloudy conditions. Lithgo eleven today morning frost
Speaker 2: and then partly cloudy ten for Orange fourteen at Mudgie
Speaker 2: Bathist thirteen, Gotomber ten fifteen for Springwood today, though cloudy
Speaker 2: tomorrow at Lithgo twelve the top and then just eleven
Speaker 2: on Sunday, but should be dry, a bit of cloud around,
Speaker 2: a bit of sun, all in the mix. As I said,
Speaker 2: a top of eleven for our listeners through two LT
Speaker 2: one three, one eight seven three. You can keep the
Speaker 2: text coming. Thank you for those zero four six zero
Speaker 2: eight seven three eight seven three. Will take a break
Speaker 2: when we come back real estate with Ourlis and the
Speaker 2: team at Domains and now the real estate show. Yes, indeed,
Speaker 2: twenty two minutes to two, let's talk the bricks and
Speaker 2: mortar and everything in between. We do that on a
Speaker 2: Friday with our Stoltz of course from the team at Domain.
Speaker 2: And if you want a property valued as a number
Speaker 2: of you seem to want, just get in touch with us.
Speaker 2: There's a purpose built part off the web page under
Speaker 2: my name as well. You can fill out the form
Speaker 2: well just cause one three one eight seven three will
Speaker 2: grab your details, will pass on to Domain. They'll put
Speaker 2: together a price range for you. But let me just
Speaker 2: make this point that those figures are estimates only. And
Speaker 2: we've got to emphasize that the estimates are made without
Speaker 2: any firsthand inspections of the properties, all the interiors, that
Speaker 2: sort of thing. And if anyone listening wants an appraisal
Speaker 2: of their home, they should make their own independent inquiries
Speaker 2: through accredited independent valuers. With that said, Alice's the national
Speaker 2: property editor at Domain and she's on the line.
Speaker 11: Hello Alice, Good afternoon, Michael.
Speaker 2: Great to be with you and with you as we do,
Speaker 2: let's stick to tradition. We'll start with the Sydney auction
Speaker 2: clearance results. Fewer auctions this week than last, but nonetheless
Speaker 2: a pretty good clearance rate.
Speaker 11: Yeah, sixty six percent was the rate last weekend. Now,
Speaker 11: it was a pretty strong result, and we really are
Speaker 11: seeing these clearance rates kind of keep that upward trend
Speaker 11: that we've been watching throughout the early autumn so far
Speaker 11: this year.
Speaker 2: Okay, eight hundred and seventy seven auctions. I think the
Speaker 2: week before we were around the twelve hundred, so cooled
Speaker 2: down a little bit.
Speaker 11: Indeedwere we did have a long weekends and some people
Speaker 11: decide to put their feet up a bit rather than
Speaker 11: trying to sell their house or buy a house. Understandably,
Speaker 11: but they'll be ripe for pickings tomorrow, what seven hundred
Speaker 11: and seventy three auctions tomorrow, And I think, Michael, this
Speaker 11: is kind of that indicating that we're going into those
Speaker 11: to the sort of that winter hiatus a little bit,
Speaker 11: so we'll start to see listings plato probably now maybe
Speaker 11: even dip a little bit further. So we're watching that
Speaker 11: downward trend as we head into the caller month.
Speaker 2: Okay, now we're into June obviously, so let's look back
Speaker 2: at the entire month of May. You've got the market
Speaker 2: insights for the month of May. What are the numbers
Speaker 2: telling us?
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, clearance roats rose on average to sixty six
Speaker 11: percent in Sydney. Now interestingly, also, auction volumes roast their
Speaker 11: highest level since twenty twenty one for the month of May. Now,
Speaker 11: as I said, normally that winter would sort of things
Speaker 11: would sort of ease somewhat, but they're certainly not up
Speaker 11: until now. And we look at the month of May,
Speaker 11: a new supply has jumped over the months thirty five percent,
Speaker 11: and it's also higher annually, and it's the strongest volume
Speaker 11: on record for the month of May. So it's quite
Speaker 11: interesting that trend that we're having people actually having that
Speaker 11: sort of burst of activity before they do batton down
Speaker 11: the hatches for the winter.
Speaker 2: Okay, Now, as you know, we always invite people to
Speaker 2: call in and they want their property valued or they've
Speaker 2: got a real estate related question. We had a call
Speaker 2: late last week from Trent. I bring Trent in, We've
Speaker 2: got him back on the line. He had a question
Speaker 2: about investment. Essentially, is a better than b Trent? Good
Speaker 2: afternoon to you.
Speaker 12: I get a Michael, Hello, Alice, how are you?
Speaker 10: We're both Trent.
Speaker 2: Both Well, now you were thinking about I think the
Speaker 2: question remind me if I'm wrong, but was investing in
Speaker 2: a unit in Manly will that have been smarter than
Speaker 2: a property out at Beaumont Hills? Is that basically what
Speaker 2: the question was.
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well, Domain and Alice have done the numbers. Alice,
Speaker 2: what's the algebra telling you on that?
Speaker 11: Well, from an emotional active trend, I think it's a
Speaker 11: con underment that many people roll over in their mind
Speaker 11: a lot. Should I bought this? Should I have bought that?
Speaker 11: What would have happened? But it's kind of a bit
Speaker 11: tricky to compare, and we're looking at housing and unit prices. However,
Speaker 11: why don't we have a go at it. Basically, the
Speaker 11: median unit price in Manly is around one point three million.
Speaker 11: That's up eighteen point six percent annually, So that's very
Speaker 11: considerable price growth, and you can see the desirability of
Speaker 11: an area like Manly continues now by what heals. The
Speaker 11: average house price there house again very different than the
Speaker 11: unit is one point eight million. That's up just one percent.
Speaker 11: So I think what we're seeing is clearly the desirability
Speaker 11: of areas like Manly continue to be very strong. I
Speaker 11: think a lot of it, though Trent, comes down to
Speaker 11: the idea that many people are now sort of being
Speaker 11: tipped into buying units because of affordability constraints, and we
Speaker 11: are seeing unit prices begin to rise more quickly than
Speaker 11: what house prices are. So I think in terms of
Speaker 11: what will do better, historically houses have performed better over
Speaker 11: time really because of that land volume that they offer
Speaker 11: the opportunity for someone. But I do think a unit
Speaker 11: can depend on the size of that unit, how many
Speaker 11: bedrooms it is, and also how much the infrastructure is
Speaker 11: changing around those areas, particularly in areas like Bowmont Hills.
Speaker 11: Those areas are really rapidly evolving, so what they are
Speaker 11: today may be different than another five or ten years time.
Speaker 11: So I'm not really answering your question there, Trent. But
Speaker 11: all that to say, if I knew the answer, we'll
Speaker 11: all probably be retired and sitting at home enjoying enjoying
Speaker 11: the spoilers of our property decisions.
Speaker 2: Just to throw a complicated factor into the mixed trend
Speaker 2: end also to you outless. Okay. So the median unit
Speaker 2: price in Manly is one point three million, that's up
Speaker 2: almost nineteen percent year on year. The meeting house price
Speaker 2: in Beaumont Hill's one point eight two five million. That's
Speaker 2: only up one point four one half percent. Okay, But
Speaker 2: then you look across the last five years, and most
Speaker 2: people make an investment for at least five years. The
Speaker 2: last five years, Manly's up thirty seven point nine as
Speaker 2: far as the value of a unit, I believe, But
Speaker 2: Beaumont Hills the houses are up sixty point seven percent.
Speaker 2: So could this be a short term v long term
Speaker 2: investment decision?
Speaker 11: I think that's definitely part of it. And we know
Speaker 11: that the time in the market is kind of the
Speaker 11: sweet spot when it comes to understanding the value that
Speaker 11: you can release out of property. But what's what would
Speaker 11: largely be pointing to that strong increase of a five
Speaker 11: years though, Michael, is the fact of people being pushed
Speaker 11: out further because of affordability and many people preferencing a
Speaker 11: house over a unit. And I think that's the point
Speaker 11: of it. A unit won'ts at everybody, whereas a house
Speaker 11: people are more willing to often compromise in the location
Speaker 11: for the fact they're getting a house alongside a bit
Speaker 11: of lands Trent.
Speaker 2: Back to you, because you're the catalyst for the question,
Speaker 2: it's a damn good question. If you were to invest
Speaker 2: in a Manly unit via Beaumont Hills house, is it
Speaker 2: to sell it eventually? Is that where you're trying to
Speaker 2: get your capital or are you happy to rely on
Speaker 2: the rental income?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 12: No, I'm happy to rely on the rental income at
Speaker 12: the moment. I've got a obviously the property in Vermont
Speaker 12: Hills as an investment, I'm just concerned in seven to
Speaker 12: ten years that meanly may be able to reach for
Speaker 12: me in that time. So I was just I was
Speaker 12: going to rent it out in between and then eventually
Speaker 12: probably move into it. So as a downsizer from my
Speaker 12: primary residence because.
Speaker 11: The yeah go al Well, I think when we look
Speaker 11: at forecasting or so, we do certainly know that areas
Speaker 11: such as Manly at this stage continue to sort of
Speaker 11: go in that upward trajectory. I don't think we're going
Speaker 11: to see prices plummet there, and I think the desirability
Speaker 11: for what that sort of area offers will maintain a
Speaker 11: high priority. Particularly is our cities swell and get bigger
Speaker 11: and bigger and bigger. So I think it comes down
Speaker 11: to that choice. But I think you're right to be
Speaker 11: I guess a little bit aware trend of just how
Speaker 11: quickly prices might continue to rise in those very high
Speaker 11: last dollar areas such as Manly.
Speaker 2: Because it's interesting, Olus your numbers the median gross rental
Speaker 2: yield Manly this is units three point four three percent,
Speaker 2: the equivalent for the property out of Beaumont Hill's two
Speaker 2: point six y nine percent. I mean, not massive returns
Speaker 2: either way.
Speaker 11: No, but I think if we also, if we do
Speaker 11: see Sydney house prices rise hugely over the next few years,
Speaker 11: and we're expecting them to rise, not necessarily hugely, so
Speaker 11: there's a few if said it, If they were to
Speaker 11: do what they've done over the past year, that number
Speaker 11: would change because people are going to be absolutely corralled
Speaker 11: out to more affordable parts of Sydney. So I think
Speaker 11: if we have confidence that prices will sort of putter
Speaker 11: along without going doing anything crazy, you know that growth
Speaker 11: won't probably change so much, but I just think they might.
Speaker 11: You know, Sydney's hovering around nearly one point seven million
Speaker 11: for the median house price in Sydney now, and I
Speaker 11: think if something there is turn of events or the
Speaker 11: market does go upwards sort of quite quickly, you know,
Speaker 11: people are going to be absolutely going out to Brenont
Speaker 11: Hills faster than what they're not than what they would
Speaker 11: be normally.
Speaker 2: I think that's right, Trent, well done, fantastic question, and
Speaker 2: I think it's one that whether it's manly in Beaumont
Speaker 2: Hills or you know something and somewhere else, is what
Speaker 2: a lot of investors a mulling over. So thank you
Speaker 2: for asking it. I do appreciate it. It is thirteen
Speaker 2: minutes to two. We'll come back after this. We've got
Speaker 2: a bit of an interior expert to join us. Give
Speaker 2: us a couple of tips and tricks to make the
Speaker 2: home not just better to live in but also potentially
Speaker 2: for sale. Straight after this, Alice Steltz whether as she
Speaker 2: is every Friday from Domain Alice, let's bring in Naomi
Speaker 2: Findlay here, interior designer to the Stars. There was an
Speaker 2: article the other day about picking colors, how important it
Speaker 2: is to pick the right colors. And this is more
Speaker 2: so if you're thinking of selling. But of course even
Speaker 2: if you're not thinking of selling, you're living in the
Speaker 2: joint and you want the atmosphere to be as conducive
Speaker 2: as possible to a good quality of life inside the home,
Speaker 2: and colours and change moods and all the rest of it. Naomi,
Speaker 2: thank you for your time.
Speaker 13: Oh, absolute pleasure. Thanks for asking me to comment on
Speaker 13: this one, something I'm quite passionate about, I.
Speaker 2: Know, hence why you're here right, So absolutely now, everyone
Speaker 2: wants to be an individual, and I think, you know,
Speaker 2: there's two kind of people out there. Generally, I think
Speaker 2: everyone who will just do it all white because that's
Speaker 2: safe and neutral, or you know, I really like vibrant priink.
Speaker 2: So let's go nuts. What's your advice to the man
Speaker 2: in the middle, as it were.
Speaker 13: Oh, look, I think that what's really interesting is we
Speaker 13: have been very trained to think that the main way
Speaker 13: we get color into our spaces is our walls, and
Speaker 13: so you know, we have been polarizing the world into
Speaker 13: the person that loves the greasy pink and the person
Speaker 13: who loves me all white. But there's so many other
Speaker 13: ways that the person that's sitting in the middle can,
Speaker 13: I guess, play with the concept of how color might
Speaker 13: affect them through so many other elements in the space,
Speaker 13: whether it's oversized art or oversized rugs. You know, you
Speaker 13: can kind of be safe, I guess, in playing that
Speaker 13: middle ground if you think outside of just paint.
Speaker 11: I think also, hi, Naomi, that another thing that I
Speaker 11: think that when we think about color and particularly painting
Speaker 11: for people, is understanding the problem that people are trying
Speaker 11: to solve in their house. For example, does the house
Speaker 11: feel small? Does my kitchen feel dated? Is my office messy?
Speaker 11: And from what I see looking at so many properties
Speaker 11: each day, is that that can actually be resolved through
Speaker 11: colors like that freshness that white can bring, but also
Speaker 11: that kitchen can date quite quickly if they've got that
Speaker 11: color that was kind of very much in vogue just
Speaker 11: even a few years ago.
Speaker 13: Absolutely that's that whole concept of future proofing, right that
Speaker 13: if we are going to be audacious with our color,
Speaker 13: we need to think about what impact it could have
Speaker 13: on the space, what thing it could fix, what thing
Speaker 13: it could make more difficult? And also am I going
Speaker 13: by future proof this?
Speaker 3: Do?
Speaker 13: I think?
Speaker 11: I mean?
Speaker 13: I love this as much in ten or fifteen or
Speaker 13: even twenty years. You know when people talk about their bathrooms,
Speaker 13: I'm like, guys, this is a one in thirty year choice.
Speaker 13: So you know, like, you're right, you do need to
Speaker 13: think about future proving it and also about what it
Speaker 13: might compound or what it might fix for you.
Speaker 2: Just a question, Naomi read the colors again. You mentioned
Speaker 2: we all sort of fixate on the walls, and you're right,
Speaker 2: we do.
Speaker 3: We do.
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever been into a suburban home
Speaker 2: in Sydney that doesn't have a white ceiling, and I
Speaker 2: understand why the ceilings are white, But have you ever
Speaker 2: had clients or yourself ever been tempted to paint the
Speaker 2: ceiling non white?
Speaker 13: Absolutely, I've actually I actually did it on an entire
Speaker 13: property last year, and it is very much a statement
Speaker 13: and it can have the most amazing impact. But I
Speaker 13: do find if you're going to If you're going to
Speaker 13: do that, you have to make sure that you're consistent
Speaker 13: and follow through that type of intensity in the rest
Speaker 13: of the space. That would be my advice to anyone
Speaker 13: who is looking at that. But I do feel it
Speaker 13: can have a phenomenal impact.
Speaker 11: It's definitely much it's definitely in vogue, Michael. In fact,
Speaker 11: you even raised that question can show Naomi and I
Speaker 11: am the listeners just how coron you are with trends
Speaker 11: at the moment, Michael, because I know it's definitely an
Speaker 11: interior trend that's getting rid of that wife on the
Speaker 11: ceiling because people sort of feel that it kind of
Speaker 11: distracts from the room, you know, almost having this big
Speaker 11: stripe across it. So it's definitely not for the faint
Speaker 11: harsher though doing that strong or room color, and I
Speaker 11: personally do love it. However, I think if people are
Speaker 11: selling or know they're going to be selling soon, it
Speaker 11: will really knock out buyers who are perhaps erring on
Speaker 11: the side of caution a bit. So if you know
Speaker 11: you're not going to sell that house a very long time,
Speaker 11: knock yourself out. Go for it, Michael. I think it
Speaker 11: sounds like you're thinking of pink or red in this way.
Speaker 13: And you know what I think, if you get so
Speaker 13: important as you like, if you're not doing it for you,
Speaker 13: then doing something polarizing like that is not always choice.
Speaker 2: No, okay, just finally, we've got sixty seconds here. Light
Speaker 2: in all of this, you know, we all go down
Speaker 2: to the hardware store, get the paint samples, take them home,
Speaker 2: put a few on the wall and realize, oh, we
Speaker 2: did that in winter. In summer, it's a lot brighter here,
Speaker 2: and it looks a different shade. What's your advice with
Speaker 2: light time and choosing colors?
Speaker 13: Look for me, I'm always encouraging clients, or I do
Speaker 13: it for them, finding the largest possible surface if it's
Speaker 13: a massive piece ofply they buy from the hardware store.
Speaker 13: Paint it in only two or three colors you're interested in,
Speaker 13: and live with it for a while. Move it around
Speaker 13: the space, move it into the hallway, move it into
Speaker 13: one of the bedrooms in morning, in night, with lights on,
Speaker 13: with lights off. You have to make sure that color
Speaker 13: is going to live with you and you're going to
Speaker 13: love it in all of the light conditions that are
Speaker 13: going to come into your.
Speaker 2: Space, Naomi, thank you for your expertise. I really appreciate
Speaker 2: that you have a lovely weekend.
Speaker 13: You too, guys, lovely chatting and.
Speaker 2: Alice is always thank you. I know we're out of
Speaker 2: time for the bargain of the week. We had a
Speaker 2: beauty at Harris Park. Will hold that till next week.
Speaker 2: Was at five eighty five thousand, two bed, two bath,
Speaker 2: one car. Hello, that's a very good price. Chat to
Speaker 2: your next week.
Speaker 11: That pain colors is very important, Michael. It is to
Speaker 11: give that the time.
Speaker 2: Even in Harris Park, even in Harris Park. Thank you
Speaker 2: all the best, the wonderful thanks Alas Stolt's there from Demain.
Speaker 2: Will take a break and wrap up the hour. Speaking
Speaker 2: of colors and whatnot a nice one here from Phil
Speaker 2: who says, as a carpet layer, I had to install
Speaker 2: red carpet to the walls and the ceiling of a
Speaker 2: certain establishment. Maybe it was one of a kind, Phil,
Speaker 2: I think I know where you mean.
Speaker 1: News next now onto GB and network stations. Back to
Speaker 1: afternoons with Michael McLaren.
Speaker 2: L D the third hour. Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2: It is a rather busy newsday, certainly proven to be
Speaker 2: the case the world awaits Run's response to Israel strike earlier.
Speaker 2: I will later this hour speak to Dave Sharma, the
Speaker 2: former Australian ambassador to is ISRAELI obviously understands the area well,
Speaker 2: and I'll get his take on what's happened, what he
Speaker 2: thinks is on the way before we get to Friday Food.
Speaker 2: We have been putting a bit of spotlight on the
Speaker 2: Victorian economy on this program over the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: I'm concerned that their energy footprint is just the stuff
Speaker 2: of fantasy and they'll do a lot of damage on
Speaker 2: the way. Now. Look, if I'm wrong, I'll eat humble pie.
Speaker 2: But the early signs aren't flash. Obviously, it's cold at
Speaker 2: the moment down there nothing unusual about that at this
Speaker 2: time of the year. But part of the main coulfied
Speaker 2: POWERstation is out about I think half of its production
Speaker 2: capacity is out. And as a result, Victoria seemed to
Speaker 2: be burning through their reserves of natural gas at a
Speaker 2: rapid rate. In fact, the fin Review reporting overnight that
Speaker 2: they've used more than thirteen percent of their expected gas
Speaker 2: for energy generation for the entire year in just three days.
Speaker 2: Thirteen percent of their expected annual gas usage in three days.
Speaker 2: This is the breakdown of the cold power plant and
Speaker 2: feeble renewable generation of forcing that state to rely on
Speaker 2: the fossil fuelled gas the same thing. Obviously that's vilified
Speaker 2: by the state government, but they're relying on it to
Speaker 2: keep the lights on go work. All of that out
Speaker 2: a technical problem. So the fin review reports that reduced
Speaker 2: supply from s o's Longford gas plant, and that's their
Speaker 2: main source down there, has become the latest hitch that
Speaker 2: only kicked in yesterday, raising the risk of shortages in
Speaker 2: a system creaking under the strain of a cold snap.
Speaker 2: And we're the conditions that are unfavorable to wind and solar. Now,
Speaker 2: the government's own report out of Spring Street from Memory
Speaker 2: did point out that often in winter or the depths
Speaker 2: of winter, they can have a low output of renewables,
Speaker 2: particularly wind. It gets cold, but it doesn't blow and
Speaker 2: so the wind turbines are not generating. And solar, well,
Speaker 2: you have a lot of cloud or whatever, they're not
Speaker 2: much good. And yet this is basically the recipe that
Speaker 2: Victoria are going to rely on in a decade or
Speaker 2: so's time when they plan to be one hundred percent
Speaker 2: renewable energy independent. I mean they're getting themselves. They know
Speaker 2: they can only do it because they've got interstate connectors
Speaker 2: to the north, New South Wales and Queensland that for
Speaker 2: the time being will provide them with reliable coal fired power.
Speaker 2: But once your lawn or whatever it is is shut
Speaker 2: off completely, and see they're struggling at the moment because
Speaker 2: it's out by fifty percent in a few years time
Speaker 2: to be one hundred percent from gone. What are they
Speaker 2: going to do. You can't just fire it back up.
Speaker 2: It'll be demolished or blown up like they did in
Speaker 2: South Australia. Whatever. It's crazy stuff. And yet this is
Speaker 2: the nation's second largest economy. Now they're doing everything possible
Speaker 2: in Victoria across the board to no longer be the
Speaker 2: second largest economy. They're competing to be the third largest,
Speaker 2: then the fourth largest, then the fifth largest, and so
Speaker 2: it goes. I mean, that's their seems it's not their plan,
Speaker 2: but that seems to be their trajectory. But you know,
Speaker 2: I just don't understand. Are you going to be able
Speaker 2: to fill the joint with more and more people and
Speaker 2: they're getting more migrants than we are, If that's possible
Speaker 2: to believe and still have viable industry, but rely completely
Speaker 2: on renewables when you won't have sufficient backup. How can
Speaker 2: they do it? Now? They either know something that a
Speaker 2: lot of physicists don't, or they are gambling, I would
Speaker 2: argue recklessly with the future, the economic future of their citizens.
Speaker 2: But maybe this winter is going to be a bit
Speaker 2: of a full taste. Let's see one three, one eight
Speaker 2: seventy three.
Speaker 1: Now one afternoons Friday food?
Speaker 2: All right, Well to something fast, sweeter and more pleasant
Speaker 2: Friday food. And as you know, we love a sweet
Speaker 2: treat on afternoons. And there's wonderful, wonderful places all around
Speaker 2: Sydney you can go for your sugary fix. But some
Speaker 2: places are regarded as the best for a particular type
Speaker 2: of dessert. Okay, Now, the one that is here today
Speaker 2: are known all over this city, in fact probably all
Speaker 2: over this state for their Portuguese tarts. Sweet Bellm inm Peetisham.
Speaker 2: It's an institution. It's family owned Portuguese pastrict. It's best.
Speaker 2: It opened in two thousand and three and it's a
Speaker 2: testament to the hard work of the people behind it
Speaker 2: who brought a little slice of Portugal to Sydney's in
Speaker 2: the West and everyone's trying to copy them, but no
Speaker 2: one can beat them. Jose Silver is the owner of
Speaker 2: Sweet Belem Cake boutique. In fact, he owns half a
Speaker 2: Petersham I think, but we'll focus on this one today.
Speaker 2: He's with me in the studio. Jose, good afternoon. Congratulations
Speaker 2: on the success. It's not easy operating even a mediocre place,
Speaker 2: but to operate the best of its kind is testament
Speaker 2: to you and the team.
Speaker 10: Thank you.
Speaker 2: What's the secret?
Speaker 14: Secret is the hard work and making things with love,
Speaker 14: Just putting love into whatever you do and passion and
Speaker 14: using top ingredients and show up every.
Speaker 2: Day top ingredience.
Speaker 14: Yeah, like really quality ingredients is one of the keys.
Speaker 14: Like we use free range eggs butter for our pastry
Speaker 14: instead of magarine, and then yeah, vanilla bean instead of
Speaker 14: vanilla essence and yeah, just and that's shows your product
Speaker 14: when when you eat it.
Speaker 2: It does the ingredients themselves, are they mainly Australian or
Speaker 2: do you have to import certain bits from Portugal to
Speaker 2: get that that unique?
Speaker 14: We use local most of local ingredients, like it's a
Speaker 14: local butter, local local dairy and local flower as well.
Speaker 10: Vanilla comes from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, why why Portuguese starts? Why Portuguese sweets? Is
Speaker 2: there a family connection to the baking industry.
Speaker 10: Well, I'm a chef by trade.
Speaker 14: I have been chef since I've left school, and I
Speaker 14: love I love, I love what starts. I've always loved it.
Speaker 14: And then I pretty much took over the shop in
Speaker 14: twenty twelve. It's been that two thousand and three. I
Speaker 14: was a better long back then, and then because I
Speaker 14: love to touch so much that I wanted to take over,
Speaker 14: and pretty much the owner offered it to me. Being Portuguese,
Speaker 14: he wanted to keep in the Portuguese owned yes, and
Speaker 14: I thought, great, great idea, and I pretty much took
Speaker 14: over in twenty twelve. And then I've been there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I drive past off and you've got that
Speaker 2: sort of beautiful blue and white thing going on. It
Speaker 2: looks very nice that the food inside is even better
Speaker 2: than what the whole place looks like it's been done
Speaker 2: up recently. Yeah, it's fantastic, but you know, there's there's
Speaker 2: a challenge being the best, isn't there? Right? So I
Speaker 2: think the Portuguese tart it's a two pro. So there's
Speaker 2: two bits to consider ones the custard, ones of the patate,
Speaker 2: and if you get one of them wrong, the other
Speaker 2: can be as good as you like. It doesn't.
Speaker 10: That's exactly right.
Speaker 14: So yeah, without our patience us three days in earlier,
Speaker 14: Like we make a dough and they'll rest a lot
Speaker 14: of it is, letting it rest, and also we laminate
Speaker 14: it and then let it rest again and then cut
Speaker 14: it out, press it and then yeah, you have your custard,
Speaker 14: which is like like I said, it's all about the
Speaker 14: key ingredients for our doughie is but instead of magarine,
Speaker 14: local quality butter, and then for the custod we use
Speaker 14: free range eggs, real vanilla bean, lemon zest, and we
Speaker 14: do with a touch of cinnamon on top.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the lily. Yeah.
Speaker 14: And just baking all day as well. It's key is
Speaker 14: not pre baking, you know, a day before we bake
Speaker 14: on site and keep baking fresh and just trying to
Speaker 14: maintain that freshness.
Speaker 2: Any sense. How many of these things you sell a week? Ah?
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's in the thousands, thousands of days sometimes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what the tax is not meant to know, it's
Speaker 2: twenty percent less than he says. Yeah, yeah, Appeadiship itself.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've had a family connection in that part
Speaker 2: of sitting for a long long time. But it's known
Speaker 2: as and I think officially now known as Little Porta.
Speaker 2: But you can walk around and you know, sometimes you
Speaker 2: won't see your Portuguese person. It's changing, but but it's
Speaker 2: it's had that that to connection to Portugal for a
Speaker 2: long time. And so you're in the middle of a
Speaker 2: lot of different Portuguese inspired eateries and in that part
Speaker 2: of the world, don't you.
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, And that's the idea, like, yeah, there's Frangos,
Speaker 14: Silver's which and Sweet Bell and they're.
Speaker 10: Like the institutions of Petersham.
Speaker 14: There was a few other restaurants that kind of just
Speaker 14: like Glorious that that was that was the original one,
Speaker 14: but they've they've closed down and you know, things changed,
Speaker 14: and because of that, decided to open Luna's just a
Speaker 14: little bit further uproad. Like it's a restaurant cafe just
Speaker 14: inspired with.
Speaker 2: And we have a little.
Speaker 14: Courtyard outside so can sit in the courtyard. And the
Speaker 14: idea of that is to when reminds me when I
Speaker 14: was going back to Portugal and sitting my my uncle
Speaker 14: Auntie's backyard with vines on top. The guy the green garden,
Speaker 14: and that's the inspiration for lunas is. It's like little my.
Speaker 2: Homage to home to home.
Speaker 10: Yeah, like the back of the way I grew up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fantastic. I know people to go there. They
Speaker 2: so it's a fantastic cafe. You've got other You've got
Speaker 2: other stores and stories around that part of the world
Speaker 2: as well, which which I've been to, which are fantastic.
Speaker 2: The issue of tradition, you know, these these tarts go
Speaker 2: way back to a monastery I think in Lisbon, that's
Speaker 2: correct and whatever. So you know you're sort of standing
Speaker 2: on the shoulders of giants continuing that story. Is there
Speaker 2: ever a temptation to branch out and and sort of
Speaker 2: go crazy with them? Let me just give the Australian
Speaker 2: analogy of say the tim tam right, so we all
Speaker 2: know the original, But these days you get strawberry and
Speaker 2: cream flavor, you can get chewy caramel, you get blah
Speaker 2: blah bla blah blah blah. I don't think you do
Speaker 2: anything with Portuguese tarts other than the traditional one, do you.
Speaker 10: Yeah, we do.
Speaker 14: Sometimes you can add like a berry to her like
Speaker 14: a raspberry or blueberry you add to the tart, like
Speaker 14: you could add a little bit of a gunish on top,
Speaker 14: like chocolate, just add a bit more indulgence.
Speaker 10: But it's very it's very basic. What what we what
Speaker 10: we did to her?
Speaker 14: Like yeah, like I said, like a rispberry or blueberry
Speaker 14: inside the custodes or sometimes a date works really well
Speaker 14: just for richness.
Speaker 10: But it's good as it is. And you know, we
Speaker 10: would like to add a little bit.
Speaker 14: Of cinnamon on top, which is quite traditional, but that's
Speaker 14: very personal. See if you love cinnama or not, but
Speaker 14: we try to keep it very very traditional.
Speaker 2: And what else do you do because I mean, you've
Speaker 2: got chocolate cakes, you've got desserts, you've got a stack
Speaker 2: of stuff. Breads are all sorts of things going on there.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 14: And another thing that we do that we're very proud
Speaker 14: of is our doughnuts, which is called boll of ling,
Speaker 14: which is another very traditional Portuguese sweet which reminds me
Speaker 14: when I was a kid eating it at the.
Speaker 10: Beach with a Portuguese soda called smooth. So you having
Speaker 10: birth is like yeah, on the beach.
Speaker 14: And then we do like churisto bread, We do corn bread,
Speaker 14: which is like very traditional. It's actually my grandma's auntie's recipe.
Speaker 14: It's like a traditional corn rustic bread. And yeah, like
Speaker 14: a whole variety of other Portuguese traditions like zita, which
Speaker 14: is like a puff pastry with almonds and egg jam,
Speaker 14: and that's also a very traditional Portuguese pastry.
Speaker 2: A stack of other stuff. Is there much difference between
Speaker 2: Spanish and Portuguese cuisine?
Speaker 10: There is a lot, Yeah, there is. It's just it's
Speaker 10: there is very similar ingredients.
Speaker 14: But it's just the way the executor is quite. Yeah,
Speaker 14: it's different, but similar flavors. Like it's like full of flavor.
Speaker 14: Basically they tend to be rich and rich, very rich flavors. Yeah,
Speaker 14: big flavors and a lot of cubs. And we love
Speaker 14: our rice in Portugal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do the tomato rice. It's fantastic, all right.
Speaker 2: What's next? Because of it, You've got this, and you've
Speaker 2: got the Lon's Cafe, I think you've got Fished the
Speaker 2: Fish restaurant.
Speaker 14: Down there, and Bibbo in Double Baby joined in Double Bay.
Speaker 2: What's next?
Speaker 14: Sure, maybe you expand sweep them a little bit more
Speaker 14: to other suburbs because Pedish and like it's good. That's
Speaker 14: probably I would love to do these expense sweet bell
Speaker 14: I meanto.
Speaker 2: I mean the only problem with the petishm side is
Speaker 2: it's now at a park. Yeah, that's not your fault.
Speaker 10: No, No, that's the way it is.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 14: Yeah, so we for a bit of opportunitybe expand go
Speaker 14: to in the city or north south.
Speaker 2: Wherever there's more rent and people that like a Portuguese Well,
Speaker 2: congratulations on the story. I always ask people to come
Speaker 2: in for Friday food, not just talk about the food,
Speaker 2: but talk about the business. And the message every time
Speaker 2: is the same. It's tough. I mean, you've got rising
Speaker 2: insurance prices, rising energy prices, rising wages for staff by
Speaker 2: by law and statute. You've got a slow down in
Speaker 2: the economy, discretionary spenders down per capita, recession is on,
Speaker 2: and yet you know you've got to try to survive.
Speaker 2: It's not easy from a financial point of view, is it.
Speaker 10: No, it's not. It's like the last couple of years
Speaker 10: have been really hard. Everything.
Speaker 14: The cost of the cost of goods have gone up,
Speaker 14: like eggs have gone up by fifty forty percent.
Speaker 10: Is crazy, Like we use a lot of eggs.
Speaker 14: Sam as butter dairy, which is Yeah, it's just the
Speaker 14: cost of living and it's becoming harder and harder to
Speaker 14: to keep the costs. Yeah, the profit is the profitmagines
Speaker 14: have dropped a lot compared to what Well, you're.
Speaker 2: Right, you're not. You've got to make a profit. But equally,
Speaker 2: you've got to have a product that's at a price point,
Speaker 2: like you're selling Portuguese tarts, not houses. There's got to
Speaker 2: be a price point that someone says, yeah, okay, I
Speaker 2: can part with five.
Speaker 10: Dollars a yeah, five dollars.
Speaker 14: We chug five dollars for a Portuguese start, which is
Speaker 14: just makes Yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, well, if they're good, people will pay.
Speaker 2: People pay for it, and they're good and that's why
Speaker 2: people are great to meet you. Thank you for coming in.
Speaker 2: I know you've brought a few things in here. I'll
Speaker 2: probably not get to taste any of them because the
Speaker 2: locusts will be here and they'll it's like a biblical
Speaker 2: peg on Friday food. But congratulations on the success and
Speaker 2: here's all strength of your hand.
Speaker 10: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having my pleasure. Jose Silver, the owner of
Speaker 2: Sweet Bellem Cake, boutique. You find them at Petersham, New
Speaker 2: Canterbury Road there, I think from memory. It's all blue
Speaker 2: and white. You can't miss it. There'll be cues out
Speaker 2: the door. They're very very good. It's twenty one past two.
Speaker 1: It's that time of the afternoon. Time to find out
Speaker 1: what's coming up on Sydney Now for the Serrato successor,
Speaker 1: the turbo charged Kia K four kias on new small
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Speaker 2: He's here with us the one and only Clinton Mainard.
Speaker 2: He will be hosting Sydney Now straight after three o'clock
Speaker 2: on what is a rather busy newsday.
Speaker 6: Hello Clinton, I've just walked into the studio. Good afternoon,
Speaker 6: Mick Mac and the scent in this studio, but the
Speaker 6: smell in this is I'm trying a new afterday.
Speaker 2: If you like it, it's beautiful.
Speaker 6: If I can go along to Grace Brothers and.
Speaker 2: Buy some arm to shave like that, Yes, it's a
Speaker 2: Faberge Odor cinnamon.
Speaker 6: It's beautiful, isn't it. The smell in here is just gorgeous. Yes,
Speaker 6: if something smells really nice, can it taste bad?
Speaker 2: Now? There's a question, eh, because we eat with our eyes,
Speaker 2: but all the sensors get activated, don't they.
Speaker 6: Or if something smells bad, because I think I've heard
Speaker 6: this one. It smells that can tastes good.
Speaker 2: That's true. There's that fruit in Asia. Oh there's the
Speaker 2: stinky I think it stinky fruit, and apparently that tastes fantastic,
Speaker 2: but at a scare effect.
Speaker 6: You know, I've been a regular touristic balley. There are
Speaker 6: venues in but they do not allow you to have
Speaker 6: stinky fruit in your hotel room.
Speaker 2: I didn't know McDonald's had those sides. That's all, that's
Speaker 2: where you eat.
Speaker 6: So admittedly I have been to McDonald's.
Speaker 2: There's a great shock. Okay, well maybe maybe just maybe
Speaker 2: because I'm just trying to think you're on the fly,
Speaker 2: which isn't always a good thing. But I don't think
Speaker 2: anything that from a food point of view, that smells
Speaker 2: good tastes bad. I can't think of an example.
Speaker 6: But anything that tastes good can't be healthy.
Speaker 2: Oh, raspberries are pretty good, aren't they?
Speaker 6: Raspberries healthy for you when they're not occidents? And yeah,
Speaker 6: they're not blueberries though, taste good. I think you're just
Speaker 6: thinking about stinky fruit overseas. I think McDonald's in Southeast
Speaker 6: at one point had a stinky fruit milkshake or thick
Speaker 6: shape promotion, the mc stinky Mix. Stinky Yes, coming up
Speaker 6: in the program.
Speaker 2: We're going to segue to the power story again.
Speaker 6: We are actually on the progres. It's that it's the
Speaker 6: Friday round Table after five and Amanda row is in
Speaker 6: a very special guest on the round table this afternoon,
Speaker 6: John Stanley. And one of our topics is there's been
Speaker 6: some research done into etiquette, toilet etiquette in the workplace. Yes,
Speaker 6: and we'll be discussing this in particular, John, given we
Speaker 6: work in close quarters.
Speaker 2: You used to have a quality show once upon a time.
Speaker 6: Oh, there's plenty of quality. Don't worry about that.
Speaker 2: You're talking about going to the toilet at.
Speaker 6: The office after five o'clock.
Speaker 2: Our program director Greg Burns was out there and obviously
Speaker 2: got the radio turned up really high. Oh no, Greg,
Speaker 2: would you mind just popping in here just episode briefly
Speaker 2: ever so, but we have a programming question that needs
Speaker 2: to do debate. Greg's just half for consuming a Portuguese tart.
Speaker 2: It's amazing. We haven't seen our program director all week
Speaker 2: and then the Portuguese suddenly he's turned up. Now greed
Speaker 2: good officially, Good afternoon, Clinton. Now, would you just like
Speaker 2: to reiterate, now that the boss is here, what you'll
Speaker 2: be discussing on the program this afternoon.
Speaker 6: We were discussing scent because the cinnamon Portuguese tut the
Speaker 6: smell is.
Speaker 15: Just gorgeous, smells wonderful in here.
Speaker 6: Which led us to discussing stinky fruit, which in parts
Speaker 6: of Southeast Asia Durian. No, but come on, give us
Speaker 6: not a stinky fruit. What are you going to talk
Speaker 6: to John Stanley about? Friday round Table is going to
Speaker 6: feature Amanda Rose and John Stanley this afternoon, and we
Speaker 6: will need to discussing the story that featured in the
Speaker 6: Australian Financial Review. I should point out, Michael about bathroom
Speaker 6: etiquette in the workplace.
Speaker 15: Yes, Clinton, maybe we won't be discussing this now. No,
Speaker 15: if you're not bringing Johnny in on a Friday to
Speaker 15: talk about barthroa and etiquette, we are.
Speaker 2: It gets better.
Speaker 6: There's an investigation in the Australian Financial Review today and
Speaker 6: means they're.
Speaker 2: Part of the nine family.
Speaker 6: Yes, and it's it just relates to what you should.
Speaker 6: Some people feel that just split it out talk about it.
Speaker 6: Some people, because of the smell, they feel they have
Speaker 6: to hang on until they get home rather than use
Speaker 6: the facilities in the workplace. Some research has been conducted.
Speaker 15: Over to you, John, it sounds like one wonderful program
Speaker 15: you have coming up Clinton.
Speaker 6: The Treasure of Daniel Lookie will be in studio after
Speaker 6: four o'clock.
Speaker 15: By cor we've had led Zeppelin, have a wonderful weekend,
Speaker 15: Michael Joy and tonight.
Speaker 2: A wonderful night. It will be thank you and I'll
Speaker 2: see you on Monday. I'm not sure about other people,
Speaker 2: but I'll be here on Monday, thank you. Greg. Yes,
Speaker 2: other than.
Speaker 6: That, the Treasure Daniel Lookie will be my guest in
Speaker 6: studio after four o'clock.
Speaker 2: To throw that to him as well.
Speaker 6: He's quite a character, Daniel Lookie. But no, we won't
Speaker 6: be discussing that particular ishue look that the budget has
Speaker 6: been released in a couple of weeks time. But also
Speaker 6: the snap inquiry into the workers' compensation scheme is on
Speaker 6: next week and I do have some information about that.
Speaker 6: Will be discussing with the treasurer after four o'clock. But
Speaker 6: I'm also going to use it as an opportunity if
Speaker 6: our listeners have questions that they'd like to pose to
Speaker 6: the Treasurer. If I know that the budget's being finalized
Speaker 6: at the moment, but if they see something around Sydney
Speaker 6: that they believe needs spending, that's a there's an oval
Speaker 6: for instance, that could do with new facilities. If there's
Speaker 6: something they think the government should be committing some spending
Speaker 6: to let us know.
Speaker 2: What about that hole on the Princess Highway of Rockdale
Speaker 2: that opened up today, Well, that'd be a great one
Speaker 2: to point a handy little thing to fill in. So
Speaker 2: if you've got a question, send me an email via
Speaker 2: two GV dot com in the next couple of hours
Speaker 2: we'll put it to the Treasurer. Or you can call
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Speaker 2: afternoon continuing the musical bent on the station today, Olivia
Speaker 2: will be producing your program from next week, so I
Speaker 2: know we'll be featuring led Zeppelin regularly, Yes on the
Speaker 2: afternoon programs. You got it out of a system.
Speaker 6: I've never seen leaving reaction in such a way. Tim
Speaker 6: Finn will be my guest after Wow Wonderful, the founder
Speaker 6: of Split Ends He contributed as well to Credit House,
Speaker 6: particularly with the wood Face album around nineteen ninety nineteen
Speaker 6: ninety one. So looking for the talking to Tim.
Speaker 2: Finn absolutely now someone who says parmesan cheese. But I
Speaker 2: think I think parmes And the problem is it smells
Speaker 2: pretty ordinary, but it tastes good. So we're looking for
Speaker 2: something that smells really good but tastes bad. Is there
Speaker 2: such a combination?
Speaker 6: It must be possible.
Speaker 2: Call everything's possible, but nothing's coming to mind.
Speaker 6: Well, we're just deal with the big issues on the
Speaker 6: City Now program. So I'll leave that to you for
Speaker 6: the last half hour of.
Speaker 2: You all the one, number one issues and the number
Speaker 2: two issues. Thank you Clinton, Thanks Clinton Maynard allegedly straight
Speaker 2: after three o'clock. In the meantime, let's go back to
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Speaker 5: Good afternoon, Michael. Just downs before Israel launched a strike
Speaker 5: on Iran, the United Nations Atomic watchdog agency had issued
Speaker 5: a censure to Iran for failing to comply with non
Speaker 5: proliferation obligations meant to prevent it from developing a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 5: Australia is promising another ten million dollars in aid through
Speaker 5: charity organizations to help provide medical supplies and food to
Speaker 5: the people of Gaza. Premier Chris Minn says his position
Speaker 5: is clear and Crown Barangaroo will not be able to
Speaker 5: install five hundred poker machines, and residents of a lib
Speaker 5: communit block are being forced to find alternative accommodation after
Speaker 5: a gas explosion injured two people and blasted out the
Speaker 5: exterior wall of the second floor apartment in Sport. Only
Speaker 5: ten players in a field of one hundred and fifty
Speaker 5: six have finished the day at under par after the
Speaker 5: opening round of the US Golf Open in Pittsburgh. American
Speaker 5: JJ Spawn leads the way at four under. And there'll
Speaker 5: be more news at three.
Speaker 6: O'clock on afternoons.
Speaker 1: A finance update for Pretzel Wealth and finance for Trusted
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's go to Scott Phillips, the chief investment officer
Speaker 2: of course at the Motley fool full dot com Dot
Speaker 2: you Friday. Finance, geopolitics and the markets intersect today, don't they, Scott?
Speaker 4: And as Michael, don't they if not nothing about tariffs,
Speaker 4: something else that's going on now. Of course, we've got
Speaker 4: the attacks in the Middle East, another kind of unfortunately
Speaker 4: common occurrence. What it's done is pushed oil price up dramatically. Brent, cruded,
Speaker 4: nine x light suite both up by more than ten
Speaker 4: percent after that news emerged. The question really is how
Speaker 4: much is it going to impact the supply of oil
Speaker 4: for the world market and the sublime slide demand to
Speaker 4: so finally balance that won't take much in either direction
Speaker 4: to really push that price up. So just after we
Speaker 4: were hoping inflation are starting to come down, we've seen,
Speaker 4: of course petrol price actually one of the bright spots
Speaker 4: pricing awise over the last twelve months or so. This
Speaker 4: will filter through very very quickly, I'm sure, to the
Speaker 4: petrol tank, to the bowser, and of course to the
Speaker 4: broader economy. You know, the oild and the local economy
Speaker 4: is both run on oil literally and metaphorically, and so yeah,
Speaker 4: when the price of that goes up, it does make
Speaker 4: everything else much more expensive. Goes right through the supply chains.
Speaker 4: Not only put petrol in the tank, but you know
Speaker 4: the food they driver, the trading everybody getting around the country.
Speaker 4: If you're using petrol, if using diesel, then you're going
Speaker 4: to be impacted. Unfortunately if this continues.
Speaker 2: And it's already taking I think up eight point three
Speaker 2: percent overnight in trade or in the last few hours
Speaker 2: on the American market. So oil up now the market's
Speaker 2: and the dollar. How are we reacting to what's taking place?
Speaker 4: Yeah, not well. We started the day with a little
Speaker 4: time bit of optimism with negative territory ever since, kind
Speaker 4: of about the bottom of the day's trading range too.
Speaker 4: I hope it sticks there, it doesn't go any lower,
Speaker 4: but at the moment, down half a percent to eighty
Speaker 4: seven hundred and fifty six points. That's the all ordinaries.
Speaker 4: The dollar is down against all the major currencies that
Speaker 4: canadi in the end, the British pound, the Euro, and
Speaker 4: the US dollar, where it's off four tenths percent sixty
Speaker 4: four point seventy four US sins.
Speaker 2: All right, Scott, thank you, enjoy your weekends. Scott Filip
Speaker 2: said from the Motley fool full dot com dot AU.
Speaker 2: We'll have another chat about the situation in the Middle
Speaker 2: East shortly with Dave Sharma. A few suggestions coming through
Speaker 2: here about the things that probably smell pretty good but
Speaker 2: actually taste bad. Because I mean, off the top of
Speaker 2: my head, I couldn't think. There's plenty of things that
Speaker 2: smell bad but allegedly taste good depending on your taste buds.
Speaker 2: But the other way around, where it smells really good
Speaker 2: actually tastes bad. Someone says, maybe vegimite, but I don't know. Well,
Speaker 2: it's like artists in the eye or the nose of
Speaker 2: the beholder, but I don't know. Vegemite smells good. Someone
Speaker 2: here says, my wife's cooking, it smells good but tastes
Speaker 2: terrible most nights. That's nice if you peter this one
Speaker 2: says coffee powder. Coffee powder smells great, but it tastes bad. Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: Licorice is a suggestion from Matt. Does it have much
Speaker 2: of a smell? Maybe slightly. I guess some might say
Speaker 2: anie or aniseed, because I think that smells really good,
Speaker 2: but it's a bit of an aquiet taste, the black
Speaker 2: jelly bean or the uzo. I mean, I like the taste,
Speaker 2: but a lot of people that smells good, but I'm
Speaker 2: not going to maybe that. I know in Germany when
Speaker 2: we go there, if you go to the areas I
Speaker 2: think north of Frankfort, there is a product there that
Speaker 2: you can get in markets and things, and it's called
Speaker 2: hard keser. And let me tell you, when they bring
Speaker 2: this thing out on a plate, it smells like, you know,
Speaker 2: Uncle Bob's wet socks from the nineteen eighty seven Grand
Speaker 2: Final that have been left in a washing basket in
Speaker 2: some dingy house since then. It stinks like it is
Speaker 2: really really gross. Yet the Germans say, oh, this tastes
Speaker 2: really good. I think you gotta be kidding me, like
Speaker 2: it's punishment stuff. But anyway, apparently, apparently the old hard
Speaker 2: kes is a great thing. It apparently tastes so good.
Speaker 2: They have it with like like raw onion or something
Speaker 2: that jeez, each to their own. I think a chef
Speaker 2: came up with that in pretty desperate times, just quietly. Anyway,
Speaker 2: So you might have a suggestion, well, no doubt, come
Speaker 2: up at least one or two answer between now and then.
Speaker 2: Things that smell really good but actually taste really bad.
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Speaker 2: one eight seven three. The news continues to come through
Speaker 2: from Iran and Israel as to what has happened earlier today.
Speaker 2: It is the big news of the day, no doubt.
Speaker 2: The world's attention has been drawn back to the Middle
Speaker 2: East after Israel launched those targeted strikes on Iran and
Speaker 2: in and around Tehran, the capital. Now. Iran has responded
Speaker 2: by saying they will they will fight back somehow, but
Speaker 2: so far we haven't seen what that's going to look like.
Speaker 2: We've seen Iran Supreme Leader I tolda Hamani warn that
Speaker 2: Israel will face quite quite severe punishment for the attacks,
Speaker 2: adding that the Zionist regime has prepared a bitter and
Speaker 2: painful fate for itself and it will certainly receive it.
Speaker 2: Israel are prepared. Let's just see what Iran do now.
Speaker 2: As we know, Israel says that this was an attack
Speaker 2: needed to stop the development of nuclear weapons in Iran.
Speaker 2: As you know, I have been saying on this show
Speaker 2: for I think the better part of four months, maybe longer,
Speaker 2: this was going to happen. It was only a matter
Speaker 2: of time. Well, somebody who understands the region incredibly well,
Speaker 2: I think better than most Australians is our former ambassador
Speaker 2: to Israel now Senator of course, Dave Sharma, and he's
Speaker 2: with me on the line. Dave, thank you for being there.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
Speaker 16: It's a pleasure.
Speaker 9: Great to join you.
Speaker 2: Another day and another development in the Middle East. I
Speaker 2: suspect maybe you had always suspected, well for some time,
Speaker 2: that this day was a matter if, a matter of
Speaker 2: when not if. Is that the case?
Speaker 16: Yeah, Look, I think you need to see this action
Speaker 16: over nine in that's context, and that's the context where
Speaker 16: Israel and Iran have basically been in conflict now for
Speaker 16: several years, and even over the last two years, in
Speaker 16: quite open conflict. I mean, in twenty twenty four there
Speaker 16: were two substantive exchanges of direct fire and attacks involving
Speaker 16: missiles and drones and aircraft between Israel and Iran. And
Speaker 16: this is really, I think the next next chapter in
Speaker 16: what is now frombly the major driver of conflict in
Speaker 16: the Middle East.
Speaker 2: I think Penny Wong, the Foreign Minister, said today when
Speaker 2: asked that Australia was quote unquote alarmed. I think that
Speaker 2: was the word that she used. I mean, should we
Speaker 2: have been alarmed? I mean, if radio people like me
Speaker 2: can see this is coming four months off. I mean,
Speaker 2: why would the foreign minister be alarmed by the foreseeable development?
Speaker 16: Yeah, I don't think I would have used those words.
Speaker 16: I mean, look, obviously, anytime that you know, conflict breaks
Speaker 16: out into the open and nations are at war with
Speaker 16: one another, it's concerning. But I think that the signs
Speaker 16: of you know, as I said, that conflict has been
Speaker 16: underway between Israel and a Run for some time. We've
Speaker 16: known that, you know, the US administration was trying diplomatic
Speaker 16: talks with Iran, but they'd also said that they were
Speaker 16: giving that two months to succeed, and if that didn't happen,
Speaker 16: if they didn't succeed within two months, you know, all
Speaker 16: bets were off the table. Well, you know, two months
Speaker 16: passed just yesterday. So I don't think this is necessarily
Speaker 16: a surprise.
Speaker 2: Okay, Now, it seems though the Israelis have gone after
Speaker 2: certain military sites. Some of these are very very heavily defended.
Speaker 2: In fact, they're in mountains, they're in bunkers, in tunnels.
Speaker 2: How effective do you think the strikes have been? Have
Speaker 2: we got any sense of how complete the destruction has been.
Speaker 16: My understanding is that this operation is likely the last
Speaker 16: several days is not just going to be the wave
Speaker 16: of strikes we've seen because the nature of the facilities
Speaker 16: they're targeting, which are underground in enrichment facilities, uranium and
Speaker 16: richment facilities designed to acquire the precursors for a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 16: They are very deep, underground, in natural with natural barriers,
Speaker 16: in mountains with large amounts of concrete over them. So
Speaker 16: the amount of munitions you need to drop to basically
Speaker 16: destroy or disable or do significant damage to these sites
Speaker 16: is large. And Israel doesn't have assets, and it's fleet
Speaker 16: like a B two bomber or a B fifty two
Speaker 16: bomber that can carry very large munitions. So I suspect
Speaker 16: what we've seen overnight is only the first of what
Speaker 16: we will see over several days play out.
Speaker 2: Iran will respond, but in the past they've responded and
Speaker 2: it's been a bit of a damp squid, and now
Speaker 2: their proxies are largely disarmed and destroyed because of what's
Speaker 2: happened the last year or two. So it'll be fascinating
Speaker 2: to see what that response looks like, whether they go
Speaker 2: all out and risk some sort of massive retaliation again
Speaker 2: from Israel, or whether we just get that sort of
Speaker 2: usual reign of missiles, most of which are knocked out
Speaker 2: with the iron dome.
Speaker 16: Look, that is obviously what everyone's watching. I know Israel's
Speaker 16: on high alert and their home front commanders, operating people
Speaker 16: are being told to stay near shelters and to not
Speaker 16: go outside. I think there's two questions here. One is,
Speaker 16: there are reports that a number of seen Iranian military
Speaker 16: bigguers have been killed in this first wave of strike.
Speaker 16: So is their command and control operational system intact? Are
Speaker 16: they able to mount a military response or will their
Speaker 16: communications are broken down? And then secondly, you know, how
Speaker 16: effective will the response be that they mount. Will it
Speaker 16: be ballistic missiles and drones? Will they be shot down
Speaker 16: or intercepted by Israel? Or will they potentially target third countries?
Speaker 16: You know, will they target US military and installations in
Speaker 16: the region. Will they target oil infrastructure in the Gulf States?
Speaker 16: Those are all possible options as well.
Speaker 2: What about let's bring this back to Australia just briefly, Dave,
Speaker 2: and that is, are there any lessons in everything that's
Speaker 2: been going on the last few years here for Australia,
Speaker 2: particularly from a military point of view, to learn I
Speaker 2: mean You've got Israel, tiny dot on the map, surrounded
Speaker 2: increasingly by neighbors that are open to doing business. But
Speaker 2: in the case of Iran and some of their proxies
Speaker 2: in and around Israel itself, immediately enemy states, big, large,
Speaker 2: populous enemy state. They've got militaries, and yet Israel seems
Speaker 2: to have the capability to defend, not just defend itself,
Speaker 2: but to preemptively strike when they think that their interests
Speaker 2: are threatened. Now we look at the Australian Defense Force
Speaker 2: by comparison, we don't look like we could premptively strike
Speaker 2: much at all, and yet we are increasingly being surrounded
Speaker 2: by big and growing military threats. Is there some lessons
Speaker 2: that we should be drawing out of all of this.
Speaker 16: Well, I think the most important lesson is ultimately, to
Speaker 16: safeguard your freedom and your sovereignty, you need to have
Speaker 16: the capacity to defend yourself by yourself if necessary. Now,
Speaker 16: traditionally in Australia we've relied upon the nine external environment
Speaker 16: and our alliance with initially the United Kingdom and then
Speaker 16: after the Second World War, the United States to sort
Speaker 16: of offset the need for us to do much of
Speaker 16: the defending ourselves. But our environment has changes. Any number
Speaker 16: of senior defense officials is indeed, the Prime Minister has said,
Speaker 16: but we don't yet see to have made the step
Speaker 16: change necessary to start equipping our defense force to defend
Speaker 16: ourselves in a more contested environment. I mean, Israel has
Speaker 16: always been a state since it was created in nineteen
Speaker 16: forty eight that has known, It has known that if
Speaker 16: it doesn't have the capacity to defend itself, it will
Speaker 16: not survive for long. We haven't ever been faced with
Speaker 16: quite a starker choice in Australia, at least not since
Speaker 16: the Second World War. But it's time we started to
Speaker 16: take that seriously.
Speaker 2: No doubt you had dealings somehow with all via proxies
Speaker 2: with Benjaminett and Yahoo. What's his thinking here as all
Speaker 2: this unfolds? Why did you decide to go? Now? What's
Speaker 2: going on in his mind? Do you think?
Speaker 16: Look? I had a number of dealings with him over
Speaker 16: the years, and met him quite often when I was
Speaker 16: the ambassador. Look he sees it, I guess as his
Speaker 16: historic role and mission, as most Israeli leaders would, to
Speaker 16: make sure the Jewish state survives and make make sure
Speaker 16: Israel survives and prospers in a difficult extern environment. I
Speaker 16: think Israel has known for some time that there is
Speaker 16: a window of opportunity here to significantly set back Iran's
Speaker 16: nuclear program, nuclear weapons program, and it's ballistic missile program.
Speaker 16: They have been wanting to take it. That's been quite clear.
Speaker 16: I think the United States had restrained them from doing
Speaker 16: so up until now, but clearly you know that signal
Speaker 16: has changed, and they see almost once in a decade
Speaker 16: or wanting two dedicade, opportunity to step back the capacity
Speaker 16: of Iran to do them harm significantly. And they've done
Speaker 16: this in the past, whether it was with series nascent
Speaker 16: nuclear weapons program, whether it was a Rax nuclear weapons
Speaker 16: program in forty years ago and twenty years ago. So
Speaker 16: they have always shown a willingness to act to safeguard
Speaker 16: their security preemptively if need be. And that's what Benjamin
Speaker 16: Smo who.
Speaker 2: Has on show today, Okay, just finally, we don't know
Speaker 2: what's coming and so therefore we don't know what's on
Speaker 2: the horizon. This could get a lot bigger, we don't know.
Speaker 2: But in the here and the now, has Israel done
Speaker 2: the whole West of favor by doing what they've done today.
Speaker 16: Well, look, there's no doubt that Iran's pursuit of nuclear weapons,
Speaker 16: as the International Atomic Energy Agency found just yesterday, is
Speaker 16: not compliant with its observance of international norms. But more importantly,
Speaker 16: it's a ballistic weapons program. It's supports to armed terrorist
Speaker 16: groups in the region, it's supports to the who Is,
Speaker 16: its support to Hesblah, it's support to the Asad regime.
Speaker 16: Generally speaking, Iran has been a huge source of global
Speaker 16: instability in the world. And bear in mind, you know
Speaker 16: Iranian drones are funding Russias or supporting Russia's war effort
Speaker 16: against Ukraine. So it's not only in the Middle East.
Speaker 16: So I think in Iran that is less interested or
Speaker 16: less capable and exporting its extremist ideology and terror to
Speaker 16: the rest of the world. I think that's a positive
Speaker 16: thing for Australia. I think it's a positive thing for
Speaker 16: the world.
Speaker 2: Good to speak, hope you have a good weekend. Thank
Speaker 2: you for your.
Speaker 16: Inside Dave pleasure, Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: Senator Dave Sharma. I'm being told we're back on here. Okay,
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