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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Inside Line.

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Speaker 2: Justin Harrison, Tim Horny and Peyton in the Insideline studio.

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Speaker 1: This week got plenty to talk about.

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Speaker 2: We're going to chat about the Super Rugby finals system.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk to.

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Speaker 2: An Aussie seventh star over in India. At the moment,

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Speaker 2: there's a bit of reports around the Wallabies captaincy leading

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Speaker 2: into the line series, so gentlemen, lots to sink our

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Speaker 2: teeth into. But one of the biggest talking points this

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Speaker 2: week has been around the structure of the finals system

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Speaker 2: in Super Rugby Pacific. I think it's fair to say

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Speaker 2: there was a lot of criticism after the opening weekend

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Speaker 2: the qualifying finals. Peter, You've written an article on the

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Speaker 2: Sydney Morning Herald in the paper today Wednesday, the eleventh

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Speaker 2: of June that this structure as it is this year

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Speaker 2: is going to be reviewed.

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Speaker 1: What are they going to look at?

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Speaker 3: Do you think it's going to come under a general

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Speaker 3: review of the competition? But yeah, I suppose to put

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Speaker 3: context to it all. After the Chiefs lost their qualifying

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Speaker 3: final to the Blues, the new Super Rugby final structure,

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Speaker 3: they retained the right to host a semi final obviously,

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Speaker 3: so that the brummies have got to travel over to

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Speaker 3: Hamilton on Saturday. And I think it caught a few people.

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Speaker 3: I have surprised the rules were there, as has been

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Speaker 3: spoken about in other places, but it Yeah, I think

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Speaker 3: most people thought that the Chiefs would lose the right

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Speaker 3: to host another final, you know, a bit of a

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Speaker 3: double dipping situation. So I think it caught a few

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Speaker 3: people by surprise. On Saturday night when you guys were

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Speaker 3: putting up the where the finals will be next week.

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Speaker 3: Spoke to Jack Measley, the Super Rugby CEO yesterday just

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Speaker 3: he's saying, look, they do a review of the competition anyway,

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Speaker 3: they will go around to the stakeholders.

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Speaker 4: They don't want that word, but you know.

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Speaker 3: The clubs, the players, the officials, and he also, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think wisely sort of said that there will be

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Speaker 3: an element of the pub two as well, whether the

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Speaker 3: punters think this is a fair system, and he acknowledged

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Speaker 3: that that people.

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Speaker 4: Plenty of people don't think it's a fair system.

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Speaker 3: So I think that's good that Super Rugby have got

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Speaker 3: an open mind about it. I wouldn't be surprised to

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Speaker 3: see that if this time next year there's a tinkering

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Speaker 3: you know, as we've discussed on this show in the past,

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Speaker 3: Super rugby has been a victim of too much change

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Speaker 3: in the past, always constantly changing. But I don't think

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Speaker 3: that should stop your tinkering with things if.

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Speaker 4: Things just don't quite feel right.

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Speaker 5: I think those changes have probably come in because the

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Speaker 5: number of teams have changed a lot over the last

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Speaker 5: ten years.

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Speaker 2: You know that, in this example changes the number of

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Speaker 2: teams you got in finals, But that doesn't mean you

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Speaker 2: have to go with this structure. They could have found

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Speaker 2: a better way to structure the finals this year out.

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Speaker 5: But I also think I like the top six because

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Speaker 5: the last two rounds there were still probably was the

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Speaker 5: nine teams that could have made that top six. So

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Speaker 5: I don't mind. I love the top six. I think

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Speaker 5: just to tink of it. I was listening to James

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Speaker 5: HALLLL on between two posts earlier this week talking about

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Speaker 5: and this is probably the best way to go one

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Speaker 5: and two. You've got to have some sort of incentive

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Speaker 5: to finish one and two in the competition. One and

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Speaker 5: two should get the weekend off and then from three

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Speaker 5: to six they end up playing so three plays six,

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Speaker 5: four plays five knockout finals. Then they go and play

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Speaker 5: the semi finals against one and two. But I'm fine

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Speaker 5: with the Chiefs getting a second chance at home.

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Speaker 6: I think you've got to look at some of the

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Speaker 6: things around why that system was put in place or

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Speaker 6: how it was put in place. There was probably not

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Speaker 6: as thorough as stakeholder engagement and consultation process. Is what's

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Speaker 6: going to be involved now. The Rebels were exited very quickly.

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Speaker 6: The team went almost over in ID although we knew

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Speaker 6: it was a slow burn to an eleven team competition

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Speaker 6: and there had to be some form of building content

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Speaker 6: allowing teams to have home games. In an eleven team competition,

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Speaker 6: you've got two buys now, so that means every team

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Speaker 6: loses another game another revenue piece as well. Trying to

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Speaker 6: solve for that was very good. So we had the

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Speaker 6: eight team final. People didn't like that added value by

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Speaker 6: changing it to six exactly right, Pato. I think they'll

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Speaker 6: add value because there'll be a known entity that's accepted

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Speaker 6: by many stakeholders to just change slightly how the reshuffle happens.

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Speaker 6: I don't agree with the top two having a week off,

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Speaker 6: maybe because two less games for people, two less venues

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Speaker 6: that are going to be played for content for the

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Speaker 6: broadcast sky and stand to put on TV and generate revenue.

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Speaker 5: But also momentum going into finals. There's a way you

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Speaker 5: finish one on two. He actually, as a player, your

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Speaker 5: feel like you want to keep.

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Speaker 6: Every every game on the last weekend before the finals

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Speaker 6: meant something, and every game won through six meant something

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Speaker 6: as well. Clearly, I think what we're caught by surprise

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Speaker 6: was the lack of knowledge around the chiefs and coming

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Speaker 6: what's happening.

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Speaker 5: But also for the viewer, it was quite confusing for

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Speaker 5: the viewer or the fan to know all the permeentations

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Speaker 5: on if your side wins or loser's highest loser, highest winner,

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Speaker 5: how that works.

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Speaker 6: So I think they sai not knowing and then understanding

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Speaker 6: why and then how do we how do we consult

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Speaker 6: and improve? It would be would be very surprised if

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Speaker 6: next year, if one or two lose a home final,

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Speaker 6: if we maintain the same structure, then they lose the

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Speaker 6: right to host the semi at the next opportunity, and then.

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Speaker 3: No one no one really bothered reading the fine print

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Speaker 3: because how often does the lowest team beat the top team?

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Speaker 4: Well not often. In fact, it's only ever happened.

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Speaker 5: Twice in Super right the Blues to win against I.

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Speaker 3: Don't know if you were in these teams you may

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Speaker 3: have been, but Queensland were the only team still have lost.

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Speaker 3: They was back when Super Rugby was a top four.

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Speaker 3: They went straight to Semis and Queensland lost in natal shot.

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Speaker 5: We played them in the last round in Durban and

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Speaker 5: then they end up finishing fourth. We finished first, think

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Speaker 5: we lost one or two games a whole.

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Speaker 3: And then Crusaders when they won from fourth, So no

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Speaker 3: one bothered reading the fine print, right, so it kind.

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Speaker 4: Of caught us by surprise.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you're right. There is a Mastermind algorithm that has

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Speaker 6: six meeting. First well, no, and saw that happening. But

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Speaker 6: then also a scenario that's on the other end of

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Speaker 6: the bell curve that has if you reshuffle incorrectly those rankings,

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Speaker 6: potentially you can have a semi and then the same

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Speaker 6: opponent's meeting again in a sorry a quarter into a semi,

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Speaker 6: so that there was a bit of jeopardy there as well.

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Speaker 3: So it was done to reward the minor premier. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: it was supposed to be an award for the Minor Premier.

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Speaker 2: Reward for Minor Premiership is you're guaranteed to go through

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Speaker 2: to the next week. That's a reward I lose to.

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Speaker 2: If you lose, you forfeit any right to host. From there,

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Speaker 2: the Chiefs could still host the final despite losing the

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Speaker 2: first one.

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Speaker 3: Well, and I argue in Super Rugby I wrote a

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Speaker 3: have the inside running to host the final, which the

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Speaker 3: final is the team that finishes one if you keep

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Speaker 3: winning the final, and nineteen of the twenty six Super

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Speaker 3: Rugby winners were the team that finished first. So winning

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Speaker 3: playing at home is such an advantage in a competition

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Speaker 5: Why I was so costly for the Brundies to lose

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Speaker 5: that game a couple of weeks ago to not finish

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Speaker 3: That's you, that's your advantage to me that for finishing first,

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Speaker 3: finishing Minor Premiers, having inside running on playing the final

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Speaker 3: at home. So Tim, I don't think that we'll go

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Speaker 3: back to that system of having the top two got

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Speaker 3: a week off because there's a competition that as you

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Speaker 3: mentioned with the Rebels company.

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Speaker 4: There's already lost game, so the broadcasters are pretty can

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Speaker 4: you get as many games those one finals match?

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Speaker 2: If you go to that in that opening week instead

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Speaker 2: lose one.

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Speaker 6: You're still down an extra game because there's two by competitions,

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Speaker 6: there's two.

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Speaker 2: Would integrity of competition not be more important than quantity

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Speaker 2: of cotability and quantity of content.

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Speaker 6: More game.

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Speaker 1: One final game.

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Speaker 6: It needs to be a sustainable platform of commercial viability

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Speaker 6: and this will be the difference as well in stake

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Speaker 6: or engagement. Super rugby clubs need to be at the

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Speaker 6: They need to present how the commercial outcomes of this

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Speaker 6: year has has worked for them. What does it meant

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Speaker 6: for two missing games because of two buyers? What does

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Speaker 6: it meant for a home final series and you're getting

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Speaker 6: another semi? I mean the Chiefs would be pretty happy

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Speaker 6: they get another they get another game at home from

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Speaker 6: a revenue perspective. Are they the only team to do

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Speaker 6: other teams accept that as well? I think that'll be

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Speaker 6: the difference in this. Mesley and the Super Rugby Pacific

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Speaker 6: we're vastly different outcome.

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Speaker 3: There's pros and cons to all the ways you look

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Speaker 3: at it. So the Crusaders and the Chiefs are playing

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Speaker 3: two home games in a row, like do do people

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Speaker 3: put their hands in their pocket for that. But additionally,

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Speaker 3: as Jack Measley said to me yesterday, imagine the Brumby's

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Speaker 3: bashed up after a really tough game against the Canes.

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Speaker 3: We're now going to the Chiefs a week off when

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Speaker 3: we're fresh. So jeopardy is what's got us to this position,

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Speaker 3: which is great. So you know that the second result,

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Speaker 3: the second final this weekend, means that Chiefs and Brumbies.

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Speaker 4: Have both got bruises all over them.

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Speaker 3: I think probably the most common sense solution is just

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Speaker 3: if you lose a final, you automatically go to fourth

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Speaker 5: Of you just got to be careful it doesn't become

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Speaker 5: a Duckworth Lewis scenario with the cricket where no one

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Speaker 5: that the fans can underst.

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Speaker 6: Maybe we should give it an Duckworth Lewis. Even then

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Speaker 6: that exploring.

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Speaker 2: About horn Harrison Payton h people.

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Speaker 5: If the Chiefs when the Chiefs lost, they should then

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Speaker 5: go to Cambra to play the Brumbies.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's what I think most people thought was going.

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Speaker 2: To happen, right, Yeah, Well, the Brumbies just need to

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Speaker 2: win this weekend, beat the Chiefs and they need the

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Speaker 2: Blues to beat the Crusaders and then it's Blues versus

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Speaker 2: Brumbies in cam next week. We'll definitely be talking about

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Speaker 2: that next week. Yeah, that's been a big talking point

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Speaker 2: this week. In the last couple of days, there's been

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Speaker 2: some reports around who might be the Wallabies captain for

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Speaker 2: the Lion series. Report that it's looking like it's going

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Speaker 2: to be Jake Gordon, which I think has caught a

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Speaker 2: lot of people by surprise. Joe Schmitt's over in Perth

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Speaker 2: and he was asked about that report and this is

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Speaker 7: Jake, he's one of the leaders in the group, but

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Speaker 7: so is Nick White, so that you know that there's

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Speaker 7: there's a few halfbacks and Tate McDermott has been a

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure. I think it's a long way from

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Speaker 5: I think it's when you look at leaders or skippers

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Speaker 6: I think to be multiple captains named. I think that

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Speaker 6: we've seen some teams have captains vice captain named off

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Speaker 5: Because if you think they're say everyone thought maybe Harry

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Speaker 5: It's interesting. I think there's three or four players in

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Speaker 3: The journo and me thinks watches that clip and says

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Speaker 3: you know, why would it Why would it be the case?

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Speaker 3: I think we all think Harry Wilson. You know, if

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Speaker 3: then Alan Alatoa, as you've mentioned, then you start to

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Speaker 3: Like maybe he wants to start Tan Yello Tupo and

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Speaker 5: Think mcdom it's better coming off.

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Speaker 4: It's a victim of his own success.

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Speaker 3: We've discussed this on this on this Maybe he wants

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Speaker 3: And look, we've seen Joe do some pretty wild stuff

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Speaker 5: Probably over the last two years we must have had

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Speaker 2: So my account last year under Joe was four that

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Speaker 2: Liam Wright, Slipper, Alan al Taie and Harry will.

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Speaker 5: Try that Tate McDermott had one in New Zealand.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, which means you have eight people who are now leaders,

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Speaker 6: And there's no way a coach says, before a squad's

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Speaker 3: Could be a couple of days away from this squad

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Speaker 4: That could be, but that's the squad.

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Speaker 3: Presumably there is a there's a sheet of paper doing

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Speaker 5: That could change, but that's still the squad for feets

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Speaker 2: For the FII Test that, yeah, cut it back or

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Speaker 3: I'm just I mean, I'm intrigued about the debate of

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Speaker 5: Well, maybe there's so much competition in the background that's

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Speaker 5: I still think that the captain of the Wallaby's needs to

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Speaker 6: Well, there were eight hundred and fifteen orange on the

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Speaker 6: you what they no, no, yeah, they know they know

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Speaker 1: I wanted to come back to you, Tim, like you

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Speaker 1: talk about it.

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Speaker 2: The Wallaby captain needs to be revered at a certain level,

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Speaker 2: in Australia. In the hot seat, you're back as a selector,

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Speaker 5: I was selected Eddie Jones.

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Speaker 6: Don't forget.

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Speaker 5: So that's what you're going to say.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, let me just pretend that you are in

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well there's four or five. But I think if

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Speaker 5: He's someone you'd look to, but then there's different like

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Speaker 5: Harry Wilson's done a great job. Tate McDermot is going

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Speaker 5: So I just think you need a centerpiece, a person

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Speaker 5: you look for most other sports, Cricket in particular course

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Speaker 6: I love Harry Wilson's quote when he signed his extension

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Speaker 6: You play. I cannot expect other people to commit to

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Speaker 5: And he and he committed past the Rugby World Cup.

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Speaker 6: That's outstanding. You can get behind that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's been a lot of the word out

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Speaker 2: good mark as a captain. I just want to come

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Speaker 2: three three. I can't remember exactly. I think I've really

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Speaker 2: forgotten about it, but there was a big review out

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Speaker 2: of what happened. What transpired that year was leadership or

441
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Speaker 2: a look at leadership. Part of the findings of that

442
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Speaker 2: review after the twenty three World Cup.

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Speaker 6: It was an examination of what is the Australian Rugby

444
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Speaker 6: pathway doing for player development in everything other than physical performance?

445
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Speaker 6: What are they doing about the mental side of the

446
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Speaker 6: game and the leadership aspect of producing high performing athletes

447
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Speaker 6: but also high performing minds that have the capacity to

448
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Speaker 6: dissect and problem solve and then deliver. There's only a

449
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Speaker 6: small percentage of that group that can go to the

450
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Speaker 6: rarefied air of being a leader to be able to dissect,

451
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Speaker 6: problem solve, calculate A and B and then deliver C

452
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Speaker 6: back to some people in extreme adversity. And that was

453
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Speaker 6: one of one of the outcomes was that that there

454
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Speaker 6: needs to be a common platform and a common foundation,

455
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Speaker 6: national program, if you will, of leadership identification firstly and

456
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Speaker 6: then development and also cultural sensitivity of different types of leadership.

457
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Speaker 6: There is different cultural aspects involved in the group. Now,

458
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Speaker 6: Australia is one of the most diverse multicultural societies, so

459
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Speaker 6: is our sporting field, and that needs to be delivered

460
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Speaker 6: in different ways and that gets engagement. And the only

461
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Speaker 6: way to get getting handled. A title is not a

462
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Speaker 6: form of engagement, excepting that the person who is wanting

463
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Speaker 6: to receive that title is first able to manifest itself

464
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Speaker 6: in all sorts of different education programs. I think that's

465
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Speaker 6: been a big change since twenty three as well. Absolutely

466
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Speaker 6: super rugular provinces have taken away this parochialism that you know,

467
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Speaker 6: this is our secret. We've got culture, we've got the

468
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Speaker 6: best program, we know how to develop leaders here and

469
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Speaker 6: you don't. There are some tactical now, so there are

470
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Speaker 6: some themes that you want to have intrinsic to each environment.

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Speaker 6: But a national leadership program is one of one of

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Speaker 6: the one of the outcomes for coaches as well as

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Speaker 6: athletes come out of it.

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Speaker 5: I just say very quickly, I mean the best teams

475
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Speaker 5: that I've been involved in, whether that's a World Cup

476
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Speaker 5: team or the thing called the Bledislow that no one's

477
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Speaker 5: seen for a long period of time. There was probably

478
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Speaker 5: six or seven blokes in that team that could have

479
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Speaker 5: had the see next to their name. One bloke did

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Speaker 5: that was John Eels. But you had this leadership group

481
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Speaker 5: that could and I reckon the Wallabies aren't far off

482
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Speaker 5: that Googie mentioned before. There's four or five players who

483
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Speaker 5: could have the sea next to their name. One bloke's

484
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Speaker 5: going to get it, you think, unless they go with

485
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Speaker 5: co captaincy and you've got all this other leadership around.

486
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Speaker 5: I think we're not far off that at the moment.

487
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't think we're actually going to find

488
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Speaker 2: out until all the twenty three to play fee g.

489
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Speaker 2: At least we're not going to actually find out who

490
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Speaker 2: that captain is going to be. I can't see Joe

491
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Speaker 2: naming it any sooner than he names the team for

492
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Speaker 2: the first Test this year. But he is a fascinating

493
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Speaker 2: conversation and as you say, Justin will always make people

494
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Speaker 2: sit forward talk Whileabies captain interesting. A guy who has

495
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Speaker 2: captained his nation in sevens. Henry Hutchison is going to

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Speaker 2: join us. He is exploring a new frontier as we speak.

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Speaker 5: I just sent back to himself the right arm of

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Speaker 5: Gods and he's good.

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Speaker 8: Well, betters and leaves, He'll skip hanging for the high five,

500
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Speaker 8: but the cut inside the belt back out it gets

501
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Speaker 8: yourself beckoned to the plate makes them available. Henry Hutchinson,

502
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Speaker 8: he is with every sip because he does so much

503
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Speaker 8: yards in the middle of the park of this team.

504
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Speaker 1: And very pleased to say the Aussie men sevens fly.

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Speaker 2: Henry Hutchison joins US now from Mumbai ahead of the

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Speaker 2: Indian Rugby Premier League. Hutch how you just quickly, mate,

507
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Speaker 2: how you finding India?

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Speaker 1: Finding Mumbai?

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Speaker 4: I'm mistay.

510
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Speaker 1: Really enjoyed it.

511
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Speaker 9: Oh here, definitely something new. It's been quite eye opening

512
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Speaker 9: that the foot has been pretty hard as well, so

513
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Speaker 9: definitely no holiday. Well she's made it still a bronco

514
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Speaker 9: on the third day, so I wasn't too stoked about that.

515
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Speaker 9: So we're really getting stuck into it.

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Speaker 1: Good to hear, mate.

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Speaker 2: We'll double back to that competition and what's ahead and

518
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Speaker 2: how it's going and what it could mean. But there's

519
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Speaker 2: been some big news in the world of World Series

520
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Speaker 2: sevens in recent weeks. We saw recently that Ireland announced

521
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Speaker 2: that they've cut their men's program. There's been reports recently

522
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Speaker 2: that Great Britain are going to take their men's and

523
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Speaker 2: women's programs back to or they're not going to be

524
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Speaker 2: full time after July this year? Is there a bit

525
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Speaker 2: of nervousness as a prominent World sevens player about the

526
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Speaker 2: future of the game and the world series.

527
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Speaker 9: The media coming out about SEVENS the last you know,

528
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Speaker 9: a couple of months hasn't been great. Definitely doesn't paint

529
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Speaker 9: a great picture for the games, especially coming off such

530
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Speaker 9: a successful Olympic campaign for sevens. So there's definitely a

531
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Speaker 9: bit of nervousness and rows across the group. I do

532
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Speaker 9: think that the new product, if delivered world will be

533
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Speaker 9: successful and will put SEVENS back into the place where

534
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Speaker 9: it has been for so many years pre COVID, and

535
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Speaker 9: it offers a great opportunity for all nations in set

536
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Speaker 9: in sevens one, two and three to to develop and

537
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Speaker 9: to have a shot at winning world titles and qualified

538
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Speaker 9: to the Olympics. Is a very open competition. I guess

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Speaker 9: it's a time will tell kind of situations that the

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Speaker 9: first year goes well.

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Speaker 5: I think I was gonna say paid. One of the

542
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Speaker 5: biggest advantages rugby has is the SEVENS program. You can

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Speaker 5: get a kid schools or rugby club, especially for the

544
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Speaker 5: emails for the women joining rugby, and that's their biggest

545
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Speaker 5: entree is the SEVENS program, And you know, to go

546
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Speaker 5: to those skills and say, well you get a chance

547
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Speaker 5: to potentially play in the Olympics. Other codes don't have.

548
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Speaker 5: That's so hard, I'd say, especially in the women's program.

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Speaker 5: It's a really important part of the ecosystem of rugby

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Speaker 5: in Australia especially.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, definitely, I think, you know, sometimes we're in our

552
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Speaker 9: own little bubble in Australia. I would also say that

553
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Speaker 9: SEVENS you know, especially in Asia right now, is what

554
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Speaker 9: they're playing. It's only the rugby. It's only rugby game

555
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Speaker 9: they know. You know, it's huge in Sri Lanka's huge

556
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Speaker 9: in here in India. So this we need SEVENS to

557
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Speaker 9: be visible in the rugby ecosystem at all times, and

558
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Speaker 9: we need it to be a good product and exciting

559
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Speaker 9: product for kids to want to play.

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Speaker 4: And then in.

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Speaker 9: Australia exactly right, a lot of the women playing rugby

562
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Speaker 9: are only exposed to SEVENS while going through school and

563
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Speaker 9: that's such a great product to retain and recruit talent

564
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Speaker 9: but also develop talent and move talent onto.

565
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Speaker 4: Super Rugby or Wallabies or wherever you want to go.

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Speaker 9: So, you know, it's really important that we have a

567
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Speaker 9: good strong sevens program here in Australia, but it's also

568
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Speaker 9: super important that we have a good strong sevens product

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Speaker 9: across the globe so we can get more players playing

570
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Speaker 9: the game.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned the Olympics and obviously we can remember those

572
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Speaker 3: great I think a six days wasn't it like full

573
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Speaker 3: stadiums in France there? So obviously the product is really

574
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Speaker 3: received well at that Olympic stage. But I think something

575
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Speaker 3: we've seen in Super rugby was like a lot of

576
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Speaker 3: chopping and changing and it didn't help the comp and

577
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Speaker 3: sevens is probably going through a little bit of that now.

578
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Speaker 3: Do you hope that this new iteration is the one

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Speaker 3: that you know it can be bettered down and just

580
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Speaker 3: a bit of stability in that format?

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Speaker 9: Definitely? I think yes. The key word there is stability.

582
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Speaker 9: We've had you know, sixteen men's teams go to.

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Speaker 4: Twelve and they'll go to eight.

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Speaker 9: We've had different amount of tournaments each year start at ten,

585
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Speaker 9: makes year eleven, then eight and seven, so there's been

586
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Speaker 9: no stability for the players but also for the viewers,

587
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Speaker 9: which makes it really hard to follow. So Lord Rugbies

588
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 9: committed to this new top eight model with seven's one,

589
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Speaker 9: two and three for the next three years. So they're

590
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Speaker 9: finalizing on the host cities, some new host cities to

591
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Speaker 9: bring the rugby sevens game back to rugby markets. So

592
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Speaker 9: it's not all just about growing the game in small markets,

593
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Speaker 9: you know, trying to sell out, sell out the events,

594
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Speaker 9: sell out some big stadiums or for the matter of fact,

595
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Speaker 9: the right size stadium so twenty to thirty thousand stadiums

596
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Speaker 9: and do that consistently will bring performances. We'll get people

597
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Speaker 9: watching the game again and I think that'll be great

598
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Speaker 9: for sevens in Australia but also global.

599
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Speaker 6: Had you you talk about consistency, instability, and you've been

600
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Speaker 6: in that program for ten plus years almost now and

601
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Speaker 6: had had some time in Super fifteen's as well. Great career.

602
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Speaker 6: But so the Indian Premier League comes in, right, you

603
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 6: talk about consistency and as a player you get excited

604
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Speaker 6: about opportunity and this concept of innovation. Can you see

605
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 6: these two complimenting each other. It's about growth of game.

606
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Speaker 6: We know that sevens is a growth model, but it

607
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Speaker 6: also is an elite performance Olympic sport. So sometimes those

608
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Speaker 6: two don't go together. You don't want to be a

609
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Speaker 6: traveling road show, but you want a complimentary product. What's

610
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Speaker 6: your experience over there now? And how do you think

611
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 6: the delivery of World seven series is going to complement

612
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Speaker 6: India and vice versa.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, definitely, you know, I think seven has always been

614
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Speaker 9: pushed and pulled on of the elite. We're trying to

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Speaker 9: win a gold medal and yes, but also we're trying

616
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Speaker 9: to get the best talent in Australia, to develop them

617
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Speaker 9: and then send them on to all of the honors

618
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Speaker 9: as well. So it's getting that balance, right, I think

619
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Speaker 9: this IPL, so this RPL obviously a great opportunity for

620
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Speaker 9: this to allow players to stay in the rugby seven system.

621
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Speaker 9: You know, so many times players leave the program to

622
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Speaker 9: go to AW, go to a new team or a

623
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Speaker 9: different league, and that hinders the talent that we have

624
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Speaker 9: in the Australian team. This RPL, if worked together with Rugby,

625
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 9: with World Rugby, you know, should complement each other. It's

626
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Speaker 9: another great avenue for you know sevens esteem the SEVENS

627
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Speaker 9: players to play somewhere else, to play with other players,

628
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Speaker 9: to have a new experience, but also to get another

629
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Speaker 9: form of payment. You know, to to increase some revenue streams,

630
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Speaker 9: which allows them to say, hey, look I can really

631
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Speaker 9: have a career playing sevens, you know, give my best

632
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Speaker 9: to making sure that we are competing for a gold

633
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Speaker 9: medal when it comes, but also to help develop the

634
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Speaker 9: best new talent coming out of Australia and I can

635
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Speaker 9: go to India or if it changes, it goes to

636
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Speaker 9: Strilank in a couple of years, you know, once or

637
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Speaker 9: twice a year to really boost my income and I

638
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 9: can have a really successful career.

639
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt.

640
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Speaker 2: Well, Rugby's, as you say, keeping a close eye on it.

641
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: They're invested in.

642
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Speaker 2: I know Rugby Australia also very interested to see how

643
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 2: it goes as well, this franchise model. But you've been

644
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Speaker 2: over there for a couple of weeks now, Hutch training

645
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Speaker 2: hard and even doing some coaching clinics like what's the

646
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: rugby ecosystem is a word we love on this show.

647
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: What's it like in India and what's the experience been like?

648
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Speaker 2: When do you play against your Aussie teammate and Maurice

649
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: Longbottom and those sort of things.

650
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Speaker 9: We actually have a scratch match against Nozin's team this

651
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Speaker 9: afternoon so our first kind of feeling out, so he

652
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Speaker 9: should expect some flying elbows into his head to actually,

653
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Speaker 9: I'll probably miss him if I fly with my elbow.

654
00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 9: Maybe some flying knees. Look, there's definitely appetite here. You know,

655
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Speaker 9: there's twenty five million people here in Mumbai. We're owned

656
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Speaker 9: by Dream Sports and they're in a massive online platform

657
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 9: for fantasy cricket in India, Dream eleven and they have

658
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 9: two hundred and sixty eight million users and their idea

659
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 9: is to create a RPL fantasy platform in India.

660
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: So there's so much potential.

661
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 9: Obviously, a lot of thet a lot of the Indians

662
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 9: don't know what rugby is. Rugby is usually played in

663
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 9: places from humble beginnings. So to get it out on

664
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 9: their mainstream media, that on TV for fourteen days straights

665
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 9: in the city of Mumbai, where they believe that's where

666
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 9: the city is where dreams come alive, is crucial. You know,

667
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 9: if we can just get a drop in the ocean

668
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 9: of that population to buy in on rugby, you know,

669
00:32:58,480 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 9: who knows where this could go.

670
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty exciting.

671
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 2: Comp runs from the fifteenth to the twenty ninth to

672
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 2: June and we'll be keeping an eye on when you

673
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: and James Turner, Ozzie and Mumbai teammate do in earnest

674
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: come head to head with mys. Great to chat to you, Hutch,

675
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: All the best over there.

676
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: Awesome thanks having on guys.

677
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 5: Stay away from the rogan Josh.

678
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, fantastic to see those Ozzie sevens guys as well

679
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: as the women's national coach Tim Walsh is over there coaching,

680
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: as Hutch said, the Mumbai Dreamers as well.

681
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: In that competition.

682
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 2: Those Ossies doing well abroad and there's some over in

683
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: the UK doing really well also.

684
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 10: A fumingly good tribes well beyond the ten meter line.

685
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 6: It's drawing the penalty as well. And holla holla, he's.

686
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 10: Releasing clarisy, rapping down a side of red. Is it

687
00:33:47,160 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 10: clarisic on the line? First blood, an.

688
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 5: Instant m punch, first touch for the Australian.

689
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: Putting the Tiger's buck in fronts what to try that

690
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: was by?

691
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: Is he perici helping the Michael Checker coach Lester Tigers

692
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,479
Speaker 2: into the English Premiership final or they will take on Bath.

693
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: You spoke to Michael Checker in recent days. He's the

694
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 2: chance of picking up another piece of silverware and going

695
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 2: to a level that no other coach in the world

696
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 2: has gone to.

697
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: But I found interesting in your interview with him.

698
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 2: Two comments he made was that he doesn't feel like

699
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 2: there's any place for him in Australian rugby anymore, and

700
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: that he could never coach Queensland. We know the Red's

701
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: job's going to be vacant mid twenty twenty six. Why

702
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: do you think he feels like he's not wanted here. Well,

703
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: we've just got chatting about what's next. Obviously he's got

704
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 2: this because he's done doing one season. Lester has told

705
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: them that he's not staying. Remarkably, you could win a

706
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 2: comp in one year, which is incredible. We're just chatting

707
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 2: about what's next for him, and he was talking.

708
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 5: About does he want to come home?

709
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 4: He is coming home.

710
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, So he and his family moved home after I

711
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 3: finished up with Argentina. They was but based in France

712
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 3: and the Lester thing came about very quickly, so the

713
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 3: family stayed hit and he basically gave his assurance that

714
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 3: he would come home. So, yes, he's looking for to

715
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 3: spend some time at home. One of those options is

716
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 3: rugby League. He's made no secret of looking at that.

717
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, his comment was there's there's no future for

718
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 3: me in rugby and Australia, and I think that was

719
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 3: based off that he was interested in the Warrortize vacancy

720
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 3: when it was up and didn't get a look in,

721
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 3: and then was obviously interested in the Wallabies as well.

722
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 3: Had a coffee with Phil war that didn't go anywhere either.

723
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 3: I mean, he wasn't bitter about it. He was saying, like,

724
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 3: I understand, you know, it's not not saying it in

725
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 3: a negative way. But if I was to coach in Australia,

726
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 3: it would be rugby league. If I was to coach

727
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 3: keep coaching rugby union, I'd have to go back overseas.

728
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 4: So that was one element.

729
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 3: The other the other element was I said, well there

730
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 3: are rugby jobs coming up, you know, you know, the

731
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 3: Queensland Reds are going to be looking to replace Les

732
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 3: Kiss and he said I couldn't coach Queensland and I

733
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 3: laughed at that and he said, no, no, seriously, I

734
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 3: couldn't coach Queensland. There's some rivalries that means something, so

735
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 3: you know, now never know with Check like he's a

736
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 3: very passionate guy, he said, he said that would be

737
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 3: like meet coaching monster against Leinster, you know, like's he

738
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 3: feels that. But as was pointed out, he coached another

739
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 3: nation against the Wallaby, so who knows that might have been.

740
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 5: There should be enough water that's gone under the bridge

741
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 5: now and board members are left and railing Castle's gone

742
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 5: a long period of time now for Michael Checker to

743
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 5: come back. I just don't think we're going to afford

744
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 5: to lose him if he comes back to Australia. Rugby

745
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 5: can't afford to lose the ip intellect, the coaching ability

746
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 5: of if check even if he goes and coaches coaches

747
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 5: of Super Rugby level or coaches junior coaches, we lose

748
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 5: too many of those younger coaches and you go back

749
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 5: to Queensland Red. So surely that he'd be in a

750
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 5: conversation for the Queensland Red's coaching role if he wants

751
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 5: to coach again.

752
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 2: But I think from Queensland's perspective probably, But as Pato's saying,

753
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 2: Checker does not consider himself as a proud New South

754
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 2: Welshman being able to do that role given the rivalry

755
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 2: between New South Wales and Queensland. To your point about

756
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 2: but water under the bridge, I don't think it's got

757
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: anything to do with bad blood anymore. I think reading

758
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 2: what he said to you, Pato is it's more about

759
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: there's only a couple of jobs in Australian rugby that

760
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 2: Checker would still like to do.

761
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 6: So I mean it's waiting to be offered a job.

762
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 6: I mean, as he applied for any Australian jobs, well

763
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,439
Speaker 6: the Queen's then, so I mean, you know, and also okay,

764
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 6: everyone's got a price. I didn't think i'd play for

765
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 6: the Lauretares against the Brumbies, but I did. It's about opportunity.

766
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 6: I wanted to stay in Australian rugby and try and

767
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 6: be a Wallaby. So if Michael Checker wants to come

768
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 6: and coach in Australia, then he probably needs to know.

769
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 6: He's a great coach. He's a great motive own a

770
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 6: great coach. And let's not forget also PETI thank Hewitt

771
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 6: has been very good in Japan, so it'd be great

772
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 6: to see Michael Checker bring Peter Cwtt. He's clearly got

773
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 6: a very good relationship with him, and we talk about

774
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 6: coach chating combinations all the time that a complimentary We

775
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 6: know Michael Checker is a certain type of coach and

776
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 6: maybe Peter Hewtt, so maybe it's a package deal and

777
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 6: maybe he's waiting for that the right environment to bring in.

778
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 6: That's another Australian coach you bring back on shore. So

779
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 6: I think the conundrum that Australian rugby's got to solve

780
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 6: for is that we just don't have as many high

781
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 6: powered seats as we would like to seat a high

782
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 6: powered coach, which Michael Checker is.

783
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 5: The challenge with the Queens and Red's job is he

784
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 5: got a very good chairman there and Brett Clark, he's

785
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 5: done a wonderful job. You've got Dave Haddon CEO. He's

786
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 5: been a great CEO for long period of time at

787
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 5: GM in Sam Cordingly, and they control what goes on

788
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 5: at the Queens and Reds. There's no reliance now on

789
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 5: Rugby Australia. They're obviously separate compared to the Brumbies in

790
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 5: New South Wales. So Michael Checker, if he went to

791
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 5: the Queens and Reds, he would want a fair bit

792
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:00,280
Speaker 5: of control.

793
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: Just because of the nature of how he the nature of.

794
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 5: Michael Checker in the coaching perspective. Also with the recruitment.

795
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 5: He does a great job there, but he want more

796
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 5: control than I reckon the Queensland Reds would be willing

797
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:11,479
Speaker 5: to give away.

798
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: Can I throw a complete hypothetical actually here if one

799
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 2: of two jobs that Checker would take or be interested

800
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 2: in in Australia is the war Atars, the other being

801
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 2: the Wallabies, and we know that's off the table.

802
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: The Wartarz is too. But if that's the case and

803
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: the Reds looking, I know where you go.

804
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 2: Now, given that Rugby Australia controls the Wartars, could we

805
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 2: look at maybe moving Dan mckeller, who is a Queenslander

806
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: and I believe previously has stated an interest in one

807
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 2: day coaching the Reds, move him to Queensland and take

808
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: over there after Les Kiss and Michael Checker takes over

809
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 2: the war Tars.

810
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 5: Again interesting one.

811
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 3: I don't think Dan would want to do it, you know,

812
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 3: like he's committed to coaching the war a Tars and

813
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 3: winning a comp with them, and we're probably no reason

814
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 3: to doubt that commitment. I just I think that if

815
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 3: the thing about Checker at the moment is that like,

816
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, and you're right, I don't know those

817
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 3: how those processes go, like do you send your CV

818
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 3: or do you wait?

819
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 4: When you're at a certain level, do you wait for

820
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 4: someone to ring you?

821
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 6: I think if you're that high, yeah, check it's that

822
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 6: high that I think it would be in a front

823
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 6: to expect that he's going to apply for a job

824
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 6: and go so and that takes that takes also a

825
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 6: brave organization to go straight to that and then with

826
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 6: stand scrutiny if it doesn't work out, Because the first

827
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 6: thing that people go to and think when appointments don't

828
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 6: work out is what was the process? Who was involved,

829
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 6: who was consulted, who approved this? Those sorts of things

830
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 6: came into question.

831
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 5: That's a follow up from Phil Wall c Rubbie Australia.

832
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 5: Check what would you like to do if you came

833
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 5: back to Australia. He might have three or four options,

834
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 5: and he goes, let's try and.

835
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: Coach the Wall.

836
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 6: It should be that phone conversation should be happening with

837
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 6: Petty Hewitt.

838
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, Petty Hewitt's obviously that's got fart.

839
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 6: He's just finished up a kind of what's he doing?

840
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 5: We lose a lot of that when they're when they're

841
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 5: at the next level.

842
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 6: You look at.

843
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 5: Ben mull and those type of coaches, you want them

844
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 5: to go to the next level.

845
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 3: So the thing that you know, for whatever reason, he's

846
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 3: been viewed as a square peg at the moment, right

847
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 3: there's the new rugby Australian system under under Dan Herbert

848
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 3: and Phil Wore and Peter Horn is too for alignment

849
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,479
Speaker 3: and for everyone to be rowing in the same boat.

850
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 6: I don't think he's a square peg.

851
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: He's type of.

852
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 6: View. It's not square peg.

853
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's been that way.

854
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 6: That's that's a different person. Your man. Square peg implies

855
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 6: aduced and difficult.

856
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 3: No, No, I'm just saying he's been viewed as as

857
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,919
Speaker 3: someone who doesn't fit what they're looking for at the moment.

858
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 6: Well, look at correct, look at all the things that

859
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 6: we're celebrating about. You know, the contrast between Michael Chick

860
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 6: and j Smith, for instance, sides the fact that I

861
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 6: both coached at Leinster, it would be really interesting to

862
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 6: see you players have been coached by both to experience

863
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 6: those sorts of different north and South.

864
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 5: Made Michael Checker's best coaching structure is away from Australia.

865
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 5: He's had enormous success with Argentina and I.

866
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 3: Think that, I mean, we're putting this on on Rugby

867
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 3: Australia needs to figure out how to get Michael Checker home.

868
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 4: Michael Checker may have to figure out what he's.

869
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 5: Not doing that he doesn't get the phone, that doesn't get.

870
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 3: The phone calls and come to you know, come to

871
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 3: Jesus meeting where they figure out okay mate, yeah you

872
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 3: know you are a winner. How many how many Australian

873
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 3: coaches are doing what Michael Checker has done?

874
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: No coach, no coach at the Celtic League, a super

875
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 2: rugby So how do we get and if he adds

876
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 2: an English.

877
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 4: Pro, how do we get to the point where this

878
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 4: guy is in this training system?

879
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 3: That is a conversation that you know, if we get

880
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,959
Speaker 3: around the table and say here's what's why you didn't

881
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 3: get a call for that and check and Checking could

882
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 3: say well I can I can move to that.

883
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 5: You know that conversation has got to happen before he

884
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 5: comes back and gets calls from rugby league clubs.

885
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 6: He'd be getting calls definitely, and.

886
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: He's he's also let's not forget he's a fashion mogul

887
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: as well.

888
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 6: We've been on the other side of the world for

889
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 6: how long out you know. Yeah, man, the man is

890
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 6: and the whole family unit. You know he's probably a

891
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 6: lot well yeah, I mean everyone does right, Everyone does

892
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 6: different things to promote and work out what's right for them.

893
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 6: But you know that that's a person and a family

894
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 6: unit that you know, you're getting into territory where that

895
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 6: austraining rugby should and needs to mobilize to find an opportunity.

896
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've talked about coaches and development of coaches and repatriating, etc.

897
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 2: But it's it's an interesting topic. Given checks continued success

898
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 2: and we wish him all the best.

899
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: To bring Check back in the English Premiership Final.

900
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,439
Speaker 2: This weekend against Bath and you'll be able to watch

901
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 2: it on a stand. Sports Cracking absolutely be a good one. Gentlemen,

902
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: We're going to quick fire through a bit of mail

903
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 2: bag here because there's some good questions and we haven't

904
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 2: been there in a couple of weeks. Start with Hugh Tindall.

905
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 2: I might just come to you on paido for an

906
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 2: update update. Huge Tindle asks any more info on the

907
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 2: Super Rugby a i e. The new third tier proper

908
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 2: comm with a trophy. Your just extended preseason trials.

909
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 3: It'll be a proper comp I think it's just obviously

910
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 3: the super rugby teams.

911
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 5: Three games or six games.

912
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 3: I'm not entirely short. I think it'll be a short

913
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 3: run thing. It'll run during September. It won't clash with

914
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 3: Club Rugby, which is important. It'll be obviously all the

915
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 3: state based teams. You might even find the assistant coaches

916
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 3: take more responsibility for the for the head coaching thing

917
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 3: a great opportunity for these guys to just get more

918
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 3: high level footy. Talking about calling it the super A

919
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 3: or the super b, which you have thoughts on.

920
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: That's my only problem.

921
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 2: I think the moment you call a competition something a

922
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 2: like the a version of a pre existing name, you

923
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 2: take away some of the validity of it, and I

924
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 2: think you automatically make people think maybe I.

925
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 6: Won't be as interesting super rugous.

926
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 4: Let's call it the Horn Cup, the Horn Payton Cup.

927
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 4: One legend I like Superbia super Abous.

928
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, perfect, this one for you, good because I think

929
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 2: it'll get your fight up from DQ. Does CANBRA deserve

930
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 2: a team like the Brumbies? They are successful and entertaining it.

931
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,919
Speaker 2: Fans don't turn up. They didn't have a huge crowd

932
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 2: on the weekend for the qualifying final. Not sure what

933
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 2: difference a new stadium will make. Should they move to

934
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 2: Western Sydney.

935
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 6: No, they shouldn't move to Western Sydney. They should maintain

936
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 6: the validity of what they're doing down there, the presence

937
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 6: in the Southern Highlands and New South Wales South Midwest region.

938
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 6: You know again, I was in Orange Under thirteen state

939
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 6: carnivals and act Brumby's junior side there. There are teams

940
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 6: from all down south there that are engaged in rugby

941
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 6: because of the Brumbies model, so that's actually valid. The

942
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 6: thing about Western Sydney is a New South Wales Rugby

943
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 6: union consideration and the war Retars organization and now Rugby

944
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 6: Australia because they're both verticals, so there is an opportunity

945
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 6: there to work out what's going to enhance the model

946
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 6: for Western Sydney. It is not moving the Brummies out

947
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 6: of somewhere and turning it into a ghost town. We

948
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 6: know that we want more crowds there and engage with it,

949
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 6: but that program is producing. Don't forget sixty to seventy

950
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,439
Speaker 6: percent of a Wallaby group that are coming through every

951
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 6: year year on you that is a valid high performance

952
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 6: chain and step in the system.

953
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 5: And the Brummis do a great job pregame post game

954
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 5: with face painting for kids. A lot of people turn up,

955
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 5: but their average crowd is only nine thousand people. So

956
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 5: I reckon they've got to resuscitate somehow their home games.

957
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 5: I'd be taking a game to wag or, I'd be

958
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 5: taking game to Aubrey, I'd potentially take a home game

959
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 5: to Melbourne. You've got to do something in that state.

960
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 5: I know you're taking games outside of AC two.

961
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: That's not going to improve the crowd in Camera.

962
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: And the original question from DQ is does does do

963
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: Camera deserve a team what the Brummy is because they

964
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 2: do success.

965
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 6: Of course they do.

966
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 5: But take a game. To take a game to the Vikings,

967
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 5: you might get six thousand people full house. You've got

968
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 5: to do something. If you do the same thing next year,

969
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 5: you're going to get an average crowd of nine thousand people.

970
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 4: The club. The club have been ken on a couple

971
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 4: of things.

972
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 3: One is to try and get this new stage built

973
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 3: in Civic, which you know there's no political will to

974
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 3: do it, no money to do it. As well, if

975
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 3: they did that then you know, a covered stadium, you

976
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 3: might start to get better crowds. The other thing they

977
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 3: want to do is play more in the sunshine, right,

978
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 3: this is what the Raiders do well. They apply for

979
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 3: games in the daylight for you know, financial reasons. It's

980
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,280
Speaker 3: better off being played in primetime in the evening.

981
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 2: Now.

982
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 4: The weather is not the only factor, but it is

983
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 4: a factor.

984
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 3: It's it's it's a pretty pretty cold old night down

985
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 3: there in Canberra as the season goes on. So if

986
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,439
Speaker 3: the Brumbies could just be given a couple of arvo

987
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 3: games fish where the fish are punters want to They

988
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 3: want to suffer for the for the love of their

989
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 3: team all the time.

990
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 4: You know, give the Rumby some day games and I

991
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 4: reckon the crowds will go up.

992
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 2: Interesting though they had day games last year, I'm not

993
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 2: sure the crowds responded the way they expected. And even

994
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 2: on the weekend the Raiders played Sunday in worse conditions

995
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:58,959
Speaker 2: daytime and it was a massive crowd.

996
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: But I do take your point.

997
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 5: Both those qualifying finals, one in christ Church was in

998
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 5: christ Church that was a poor crowd as well, and

999
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 5: the Brumby so both were about two degrees.

1000
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,919
Speaker 2: It's not confined to keep absolutely And as you said,

1001
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 2: the Brumbies do some great things. They had some initiatives

1002
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,919
Speaker 2: this year, the stable trying to get university students along

1003
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 2: a bit like the zoo in Duneeden. They had ticket

1004
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 2: promotions alongside the camera raiders.

1005
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 6: So it's nice city either. I mean the communis of

1006
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 6: scale have Brisbane and Sydney enjoying the fallout of people

1007
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 6: with discretionary income and just weight of numbers.

1008
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 5: Well there's the case to take it Western Sydney, but

1009
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 5: well it's not.

1010
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 6: But then numbers, the numbers are still down. Well the

1011
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 6: pnatheene used and different and you said, well, as Rugby

1012
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 6: need to tip resource into development program.

1013
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 3: Your point is there's a much deeper topic. But there's

1014
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 3: a net game there right like do we is the

1015
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 3: one measure of success? How many people come into the

1016
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 3: gate to watch them, you know, like the Wallabies, as

1017
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 3: you say, are getting a buccaload of good stuff out

1018
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 3: of the Brumbies program. To move the Brumbies program, to

1019
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 3: drastically change the Brumby's program, just to try to get

1020
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 3: more five thousand more people.

1021
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 5: Wallabies win test matches with more Brumbies players in no

1022
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:05,959
Speaker 5: one's talking about the crowd.

1023
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely great discussion, gentlemen, not as great. That's a

1024
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 2: rat On insideline this week.

1025
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 9: What