S1: Hey there. I'm Osman Farooqui and this is The Drop,
S1: a culture show from the Sydney Morning Herald and The Age,
S1: where we dive into the latest in the world of
S1: pop culture and entertainment. I'm here with Thomas Mitchell and
S1: Mel Cambrai. Guys, spring is here. We're feeling good. The
S1: birds chirping.
S2: I mean, I can't hear anything inside the studio, but
S2: I assume outside they are chirping and it has sprung
S2: its very nice day here today. So I'm enjoying that.
S3: It is lovely, isn't it? We are spring loaded with
S3: pop culture to talk about, so let's.
S2: Spring straight into it. How many can we.
S3: We will spring into action.
S1: Let's stop doing this. The seasons may have turned, but
S1: one thing that hasn't changed is the status of the
S1: Hollywood strike, which is still rolling on. And it's starting
S1: to bite like I'm noticing it in terms of movies
S1: being delayed and pushed back. And even the ones that
S1: have previously been announced or ready to go, there's just
S1: like not a lot of buzz about them because actors
S1: can't talk, writers can't talk. And so things have been
S1: feeling grim. But then we sat down and we thought
S1: about it and we drew up a bit of a
S1: list and turns out there is stuff about to drop
S1: in the world of television and film, but also, you know,
S1: in niche interests of people's music. That's an interest. People
S1: have books. I've heard people read books.
S3: Mel That is that true mean you guys never let
S3: me talk about them on the podcast. Well, this is your.
S1: Time to shine, Mel, because even though we are in
S1: this relative dry patch, we are going to spend today's
S1: episode of The Drop talking about all the releases we're
S1: looking forward to across film, television, books and music. It's
S1: your time to shine.
S3: I'm ready. I'm ready. I've been. I've been waiting for
S3: this moment. So hopefully I'll. I'll deliver.
S1: So film festival season is in full swing. Venice is
S1: happening right now, so I thought we could start by
S1: unpacking some of the big releases that are still at
S1: this stage due to come out this year. Why? We're
S1: excited about them. I'm going to start with the movie
S1: that I'm the most hype about for this year. It
S1: is Martin Scorsese's latest movie, Killers of the Flower Moon,
S1: the one that, like Thomas, totally dissed 2 or 3
S1: episodes ago. Oh, yeah, DeNiro's got something coming out. I
S1: really don't really know much about it.
S3: Yeah, no big deal by some Scorsese guy.
S2: Okay. Firstly, I still love De Niro, but like, this
S2: is the first movie in like five years where he
S2: hasn't played a grandpa.
S3: A dirty one.
S2: A dirty grandpa that's like lusting over Megan Fox or
S2: some kind of Megan Fox stand in. But yes, I
S2: am very excited about this. And obviously, you know, Osmond
S2: being a big Scorsese guy and also being a big
S2: Nolan guy is just kind of completing the full Incel
S2: package that we know here.
S3: So this is Osmond's dream. As I was watching the
S3: trailer for this, I was like, This is everything.
S1: You guys suck. This movie is like cool and woke.
S1: For the record, I read the book. This is based
S1: on also called Killers of the Flower Moon. When I
S1: was in holiday a couple of weeks ago. The book
S1: is an amazing piece of both investigative reporting and I'll have,
S1: you know, narrative storytelling. It is about a series of
S1: murders of Osage Native Americans in America in the 1920s
S1: and what exactly happened to them, why it wasn't investigated
S1: and how the FBI, in a very nascent form at
S1: the time, came to basically be defined by its attempt
S1: to crack this case. The film stars De Niro, as
S1: we've mentioned, also Leo DiCaprio, Jesse Plemons. It looks fucking amazing.
S1: It is about an incredible story that has not been
S1: brought to life in this way before. I'm genuinely excited.
S1: Jokes aside, you guys making fun of me, you love it,
S1: but you're also you're also into it, right?
S3: Yeah, I am. I can't wait. And I also think
S3: it's going to be a really good one to see
S3: in cinemas because it just looks like it's going to
S3: be very striking visually as well. And I love Scorsese
S3: and Leonardo DiCaprio team ups The Wolf of Wall Street
S3: Gangs of New York. I'm excited to see them back
S3: on screen again. And I have read the guy who
S3: wrote Killers of the Flower Moon. Sorry, this isn't my
S3: even my section yet to talk about books, but I've.
S2: Got five minutes.
S3: Please. David Grann. I did read his the wager as well,
S3: which is about a mutiny. And then the kind of
S3: the the sailors end up on a on the coast
S3: of South America. And they've got completely different tale to
S3: the survivors about how they got there. I know that
S3: Scorsese and Leo have teamed up for that one as well.
S1: Oh, wow. They're going to make that into a film
S1: as well.
S3: Yeah, they are. So I think we've got a few
S3: great stories coming our way.
S2: Yeah, I think the buzz has been big for ages.
S2: It's been delayed a few times, I think, hasn't it?
S2: Like it's supposed to come out a while. Yeah.
S1: Premiered at I think con like earlier in the year
S1: and then there was supposed to be I think maybe
S1: those September release and then there was supposed to be
S1: advance releases in October. It's now scheduled in October 20th.
S1: The word on the street is like, that's not going
S1: to shift. Like there are interviews in the Cannes for that.
S1: We've spoken to like the cast of publication and Scorsese
S1: like I think they're going to go big and they
S1: hope that this could be a big kind of tentpole
S1: thing before the end of the year.
S3: And I do find it interesting the films that they've
S3: picked to push back versus what can what can continue on.
S3: And it's really the big dogs who can continue on
S3: or a lot of the big directors who already have
S3: established fan bases and fan bases that aren't necessarily on
S3: TikTok and social media and relying on that advertising to
S3: to promote their films. So even though we were saying
S3: that there's, you know, quite a few films cut that
S3: have been pushed back, there's still some pretty impressive ones
S3: on the list for the rest of the year.
S1: Yeah. And Marty has said that this is I mean,
S1: I guess he would say this because it's a great
S1: way to build hype. But he said it's the most
S1: important story he's ever told. But there are reports that
S1: he actually significantly re-edited or reworked the movie late in
S1: production where originally it was going to be this story
S1: of how the FBI came to be. But after spending
S1: so much time with with the Osage people, he was like,
S1: this is a story that needs to be told front
S1: and center. And this is actually a story about what
S1: America did to its First Nations people. And I kind
S1: of I'm into that for Marty.
S3: Can I ask a question like.
S2: You may not.
S3: Is is Marty like? Is that what he is? Commonly known?
S2: This is what he introduces himself.
S3: Oh, there you go. I've always treated him quite reverentially.
S3: Then I guess I'd call him Martin.
S1: No, I only say that because of In The Sopranos. Christopher, like,
S1: sees Marty Scorsese, like a like a club or whatever.
S1: And he calls him Marty. He's like, Marty Love. Condon
S1: Great movie. Yeah. It's like, just.
S3: So that's why you've adopted.
S1: I grew up thinking he was Marty Scorsese.
S2: Yeah, I think I think Marty is commonly accepted. I
S2: just hope that he'll be able to tell this important
S2: story in like less than ten hours. As with the Irishman,
S2: which some people are still watching.
S3: Yeah, I'm not going to lie. A lot of the
S3: films you've got on your list to talk about us,
S3: I'm like there at. 4 or 5 hours long, each
S3: of them.
S1: I hate this. Like, sorry, Martin Scorsese, who's won a
S1: thousand or sorry, Marty, along with Leo and De Niro,
S1: is making you a movie that is so you don't
S1: want to see every second of this Footage is a gift. Okay.
S1: Should be very happy about having.
S2: You know, I'm a big Scorsese. You guy, too. I
S2: didn't actually love the Irishman, and I do have high
S2: hopes for this, but particularly because I think around a
S2: lot of the main players, there is like an interesting
S2: discourse like away from the film. Like, I feel like
S2: since this movie has been announced, DiCaprio generally in the
S2: public eye has kind of copped a bit of a battering.
S2: And I think people are also curious about De Niro because,
S2: you know, he's got the he's having the baby with
S2: this much younger woman. He's like 80. He hasn't made
S2: many good movies. Like I feel like are people are
S2: curious to see if this will be like a flop
S2: or if these guys who are at the top of
S2: their game are still like at the top of their game.
S3: The top of the game dating younger, much younger women.
S3: But this is their moment.
S1: No, that's fair. We're not we're not catching them in
S1: like a super hot streak necessarily. But by all accounts,
S1: it is good. And I think the performances will blow
S1: people away. Talking about people who are like very buzzy
S1: at the moment. Our guy, Paul Mescal and Ronan are
S1: teaming up for this sci fi thriller directed by Australian
S1: Garth Davis called FO. It's out in October is October 19th. Mel,
S1: your hype for this one. Talk to me about what's
S1: gotten you excited.
S3: I mean, it looks extremely intense, doesn't it? Yeah, It
S3: looks like someone's going off to a different planet and
S3: she's staying here. She is staying here. She's getting a
S3: robot substitute for a husband. Paul. Mescal. That does.
S1: Sound intense. That does sound.
S3: Intense. Great.
S2: It's like Sci-Fi on a farm, though.
S3: Yeah, it's. I really liked when you watch the trailer,
S3: it starts off quite like it looks like it's a
S3: bit of a domestic serious domestic drama, and then it
S3: just slowly kind of spins off into sci fi ie madness.
S3: But I think it looks really good. Very, very gripping. Yeah.
S1: I'm willing to put aside my dislike of Paul Mescal.
S1: We don't get along when I say we don't get along.
S1: He doesn't know who I am, but I don't love him.
S1: I think I'm just very jealous of him because he's
S1: very cool and handsome. And he was in Sydney when
S1: I was locked down in Melbourne, hanging out with all
S1: my friends at bars and beaches that I like to
S1: go to, but I'll put that aside to watch this movie.
S2: Okay. Firstly, I love Paul Mescal.
S3: You mean Paulie?
S2: Paulie It's friends.
S3: Who were invited to the to the Toronto. Yeah.
S2: I think he is actually talking about hot streak. He
S2: is on a hot streak and I think Aftersun like
S2: I mean he was nominated for an Oscar, so it's
S2: hardly like, you know, underappreciated. But I don't know if
S2: that got as much like hype last year as other films.
S2: It kind of got swallowed in the everything everywhere, all
S2: at once Hype and Aftersun was a great movie, and
S2: particularly like not a lot happens in that movie and
S2: he was amazing in it. Probably one of the last
S2: films I cried in, if I'm being honest. You guys
S2: seen it? Yeah, I love it.
S3: It's a beautiful, ordinary.
S1: I know. Like, you know, I've got my issues with him, whatever.
S1: But he's an amazing actor and I.
S3: Think she's not real. And also.
S2: The other thing that I love, because I got like
S2: a massive crush on Daisy Edgar-jones. Yeah. And so obviously
S2: there are normal people together. Yep. Love that for him.
S2: So yeah, I think, I think he's, he hasn't had
S2: like a bad film or serious.
S3: Ronan Right. Like, she's incredible. Lady Bird, Little women. I
S3: think this is a moment. There's like a clip of
S3: her in the trailer with a bathrobe on dancing around
S3: with a glass of wine like always. Love that kind
S3: of scene in a film. So very relatable. I think
S3: she's going to be great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right.
S1: And he's and he's I think he started filming Gladiator two,
S1: which she's in as well, which is exciting.
S2: Isn't that basically Napoleon?
S1: Well, yeah. We'll get to Napoleon. We'll get to Napoleon.
S3: Yeah, we're going to get to talk history with you.
S3: You know.
S2: If you think I didn't Wikipedia Napoleon Bonaparte before this.
S3: Chat, how tall was he?
S2: Not tall enough.
S1: So the other one that that I'm. It falls into
S1: the category of like one for the fellas I think
S1: as you would put it.
S3: The boys boys.
S1: Yeah, the boys. Dave Fincher. Our guy Gone Girl, The
S1: Social Network. He Zodiac. He's back with a movie called
S1: The Killer, starring Michael Fassbender. That's out on Netflix November 10th.
S1: I think it will have a limited cinema release. I mean,
S1: Fincher loves making movies about serial killers. He's very stylistic,
S1: very graphic.
S2: I thought the same thing, but when I was reading,
S2: I was like, Is he getting lazy now? He can't
S2: even come up with a name of what the movies.
S2: He's just like, Yeah.
S3: I kind of agree. This was looked a bit snooze
S3: to me. I'm not super excited.
S1: Why do you think this is also a book adaptation
S1: as well? And I think I think they've been very
S1: light on plot details. But I believe this is about
S1: a hitman who sort of starts to have some moral
S1: qualms about his job. And I think I think. Fassbender's Pretty,
S1: pretty good. Pretty intense. Pretty brooding. The trailer looks pretty sick.
S1: I'm interested in this one. Not not so much.
S3: Not so much. From what I've seen and read about it,
S3: it looks like very action packed. I love some of
S3: these other films. Fight Club Gone Girl seven. This one
S3: looks real, like kind of stock standard action just from
S3: what has been released.
S1: I'm going to make a prediction on this one that
S1: I reckon when this movie comes out, you will think
S1: you'll admit you were wrong. I think you'd be like, Wow.
S3: Out. Okay, I'm ready. I'm ready to be. I'm ready
S3: to be surprised. I don't need to stick to the plan,
S3: as they say, about 18 times in the trailer.
S1: One movie that I do think you're excited about, Mel.
S1: And I'm interested to hear what your vibes are in
S1: this one. Thomas a girl, Emma Seligman, had this movie
S1: maybe a year or two ago called Shiva Baby, which
S1: was really, really fun. It was her debut. Rachel Sennett
S1: starred in it. She's gone on to have a lot
S1: of success with bodies, bodies, bodies and of course, the
S1: idol where she played Jocelyn's assistant.
S2: Probably the only good thing about the show.
S1: Absolutely. So the two of them have written this movie, Bottoms.
S1: It's a teen sex comedy. It also stars debris from
S1: the bear. Really, really excited for this one. It doesn't
S1: have an Australian release date yet, but surely it's coming
S1: like we are hyped for this, right?
S3: Yeah, I cannot wait for this. So it's due out
S3: in the US in October and the early reviews have
S3: been great. I talk about Shiva baby.
S2: Like once a week.
S3: At least once a week. I have been begging Thomas
S3: to watch. It was one of my favorite films, so
S3: I'm very excited to see the two of them team
S3: up again for this one. I love high school kind
S3: of comedies. This is a got a queer element to
S3: it as well.
S2: What's the actual premise of this film?
S3: Essentially, it seems like the unpopular, ostracized kids kind of
S3: getting revenge and winning over the popular kids.
S2: So it sounds like you like it.
S4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
S3: These are your people are. Leo These are mine.
S1: Thomas And I don't relate to that narrative, actually.
S2: Yeah, correct. I was just straight killing.
S3: I know. What? We'll get you in there. Looks like
S3: there's a bit of a cameo from Kaia Gerber in there,
S3: as well as the. As the look.
S1: At his face.
S3: Light up.
S4: Girl.
S2: Yeah, I have heard very, very good things. And yet,
S2: I mean, I really want to watch Shiva, baby. It's
S2: almost become my, like, film version of Dave now. Like,
S2: I just I've been told too many times to watch
S2: it that I can't bring myself to watch it anymore.
S2: But yes, this looks great. I'm excited.
S1: If I say the words Sofia Coppola to you guys,
S1: how do how do you react? How do you feel?
S3: Favorite lover? Inspiration.
S2: I just feel like a warmth. I love the whole
S2: Coppola family.
S3: Yeah. Favorite Coppola by far. She's fantastic. What about Francis Ford? No, it's.
S1: All I think she's better than Frankie.
S4: Are you like, are.
S1: You lost in translation and Marie Antoinette Virgin Suicides. What's
S1: your ideal virgin?
S3: Suicides Lost in translation. But Marie Antoinette, even the Bling
S3: Ring like was pretty good. It was fun and then beguiled.
S3: I quite liked that as well. Strong female characters kind
S3: of pared back storytelling. It's not in your face. It's
S3: not super. Sometimes it is flashy, but not super flashy. Yeah,
S3: I think she's great. So I'm very excited. Yeah.
S1: So we're not just talking about this. I'm not just
S1: talking about it for the sake of it. Actually has
S1: a movie. It's coming out. It's called Priscilla also doesn't
S1: have a have a release date in Australia, but we
S1: think it'll be in the next month or so. It's
S1: about Priscilla Presley. She played by Cailee Spaeny Jacob Elordi
S1: Australian fave, you know from Euphoria is playing Elvis. That's
S1: like interesting, two different kind of like young hunks playing
S1: Elvis in as many years. That's exciting.
S2: I've seen they've obviously been doing like not press, but
S2: like he's been out and about for it.
S3: Yeah they've got a waiver from SAG they to promote
S3: the film.
S2: Okay because they've been everywhere everyone keeps mentioning like he's
S2: six foot five which is very tall.
S1: Like he's a very.
S2: Tall guy, way taller than Elvis. Yeah.
S1: And the other thing that's got me excited about this,
S1: our other girl, Dagmar from Succession, who plays Caroline, she's
S1: in this she's playing someone called Anne Beaulieu. I don't
S1: know enough about that Presleys to know what that is,
S1: but she's got third billing, so this looks like a
S1: lot of fun. And from what I hear, it's like
S1: really leaning into the kind of anachronistic music vibe theme
S1: from Marie Antoinette, where it's a lot of contemporary pop
S1: music soundtracking like very olden days stuff. So I think
S1: this could be pretty fun. Yeah.
S2: But because what happened is the Presley, whatever they call it,
S2: the Presley Foundation did not back this film. Any music?
S3: Yeah, but Priscilla very much has. She's one of the
S3: producers of the film and she was at Venice where
S3: it premiered, and apparently it was in the audience crying.
S3: It had a seven minute standing ovation.
S2: Actually does a bit of crying these days. I don't
S2: know if Priscilla's tears are a good benchmark.
S1: They've been the family's been through a lot of hard.
S3: No, no.
S2: I'm not saying she hasn't had like a bad run,
S2: but I just think she might cry a lot.
S3: Did you like Baz Luhrmann's Elvis?
S1: I did, but I did as well. But I'm a
S1: pretty like I'm pretty partial to baths. I really like baths.
S1: And I think I think it's really interesting that we'll
S1: have two movies about this family, both from like, directors
S1: that are known for very specific kind of stylistic approaches
S1: to things like these are not traditional biopics, really, and
S1: this one seems to be a bit darker, a bit
S1: more kind of like psychologically intense. I also yeah, like
S1: we said at the start, we love Coppola. I'm really
S1: excited for this and I think Jacob Elordi seems to
S1: have been looking for his breakthrough moment for a while,
S1: and I think playing Elvis in a Sofia Coppola movie
S1: could be could be a big turning point for him.
S2: Yeah, I just feel like I read this GQ profile
S2: with him and I didn't love his vibe. I almost
S2: feel like Austin Butler was so good. Austin Butler maybe
S2: should have been in the Coppola.
S1: Elvis I think it was wasted in the bad Elvis
S1: kind of.
S2: I feel like.
S3: He's not going to have like Priscilla is going to
S3: be the star of this show. So maybe it doesn't
S3: have to like play the kind of extent that Austin
S3: Butler did in in Elvis, though, what I find interesting
S3: is apparently kind of glosses over the fact that Elvis
S3: was 24 and Priscilla was 14 when they met. And
S3: kind of.
S4: Oh, that's right.
S1: There was all this discourse when the trailer came out
S1: and it was like, Oh, you're endorsing this? Yeah, that
S1: was annoying discourse.
S3: Yeah. Yeah. And apparently they kind of they do avoid
S3: that and tread the line. That was very chaste relationship.
S2: Man Like people's ages are fluid and Julie Cooper's 80
S2: and Marissa.
S4: Six.
S3: I mean I don't know you didn't extend that to
S3: to your mates from Killers of the Flower moon, did you?
S2: Yeah, they're good. Yeah. Some of the OG guys.
S1: A couple more to to talk about before we move
S1: to other areas of culture. So this one, I don't
S1: know if anyone else is excited for this except for me.
S1: And it may be to do with the fact that
S1: over the weekend I watched the 2006 remake of Miami Vice,
S1: directed by Michael Mann. That movie is good. That movie
S1: is good. And Michael Mann is a good director who
S1: knows how to make fun movies that involve lots of cars.
S1: So he's made Ferrari, which is a film about Enzo Ferrari.
S1: Adam Driver clearly impressing everyone with his accent from House
S1: of Gucci is back Playing Enzo Far is very hard
S1: to tell what this movie is about. There's very little dialogue.
S1: He seems to be in a love triangle with Penelope
S1: Cruz and Shailene Woodley. That's, that's really all I can ascertain.
S1: But I'm. I think this should be fun. Like Adam
S1: drivers pretty good.
S2: I think everyone loves Adam Driver. Like no one has
S2: a bad word to say. Yeah, I watched the trailer
S2: and I was like, He's got like one line in
S2: the trailer. He's like, my cars. They go fast.
S3: Ferrari But we wanted more. We were left wanting more.
S2: But yeah I was, I was also surprised that he's like,
S2: he's gone back. He's, he's like dove straight back into
S2: another Italian accented film after House of Gucci was like,
S2: Let's be honest, a complete fucking debacle. That film. Yeah.
S1: Not a good film.
S2: No. It was like they all just, like, ran into
S2: the wig closet and then just, like, ran back out.
S2: But yeah, it looks interesting. Like, yeah, I love driver
S2: Penelope Cruz anything, and Shailene Woodley is great. So.
S1: You know, movies like Heat, they're really made for you,
S1: Heat and Thief, they're right up your alley. How do
S1: you feel about Michael Mann and Ferrari?
S3: I mean, I'm looking forward to it. Bigger big Formula
S3: One fan these days. Um, I think it looks good.
S3: I mean, it looks like it's obviously much more about the,
S3: the kind of personal side of things than the car racing.
S3: So I'll go and see this one.
S1: The lost one. She would not.
S4: See the film. This is a very simple response.
S1: The last film we're going to talk about sorry, I
S1: should have said that Ferrari comes out November 30th. This
S1: movie comes out a week earlier. We mentioned it at
S1: the top of the conversation. Ridley Scott is back with
S1: another historical epic. This time it's Joaquin Phoenix playing Napoleon.
S1: Kind of weird that we haven't had a big epic
S1: Napoleon movie before. I just feels like we would have
S1: had like ten of these in the 80s and the 90s.
S1: It looks like good. It looks like pretty standard, sort of.
S1: Ridley Scott Joaquin Fair Gladiator sort of vibes. It seems
S1: to focus a lot on his relationship with Josephine and,
S1: you know, some of the issues that they had while
S1: he was like conquering and then struggling with the the
S1: weight of the crown of the French empire. I think
S1: this is probably like an Oscar movie. They'll probably be
S1: conversations about Joaquin in that best actor role.
S3: Yeah, you like kind of you crushed it earlier on
S3: when you said I would be excited about this one.
S3: I think it looks so, so good. And I think
S3: the kind of scenes of the eve of the French
S3: Revolution party I love kind of like 18th, 19th century
S3: party scenes where everyone's in costume getting drunk. I think
S3: it looks really fun and will be an epic.
S2: Yeah, I mean, Ridley Scott has such a speed, doesn't he?
S2: And I mean, I'm like a big whacking fan. I
S2: think he really makes a bad film.
S1: Well, it's funny, we mentioned House of Gucci. Like that
S1: was Ridley as well. That was like a rare miss
S1: from him.
S2: Yeah, that was actually. But then like I rewatched Gladiator
S2: maybe like a month ago, that is such a good
S2: movie and Joaquin is so menacing in it. And I mean,
S2: we all know he's had like a bit of a
S2: weird journey. But yeah, I think he'll be perfect in this.
S2: And even in the trailer, he seems like so charming.
S2: And I guess, you know, as we all obviously big
S2: Napoleon heads, no, he was quite the charming man. And
S2: as he ascertained his way to the throne and became
S2: Emperor of France.
S1: And unlike Jacob Elordi, he was not six foot five.
S2: No, he was like.
S3: How tall was he?
S2: 65cm.
S1: Well, apparently people say that the thing about him being
S1: short is like it was like English propaganda to make
S1: the English feel like, well, we're going to get conquered
S1: by this, like, short bloke, like, this is outrageous. Let's
S1: go and fight this war or whatever. That's, that's what
S1: I've heard, at least like.
S2: Trump with the tiny hand.
S3: Exactly like Trump. Apparently he was 1.68m. So not that
S3: taller than me.
S1: Yeah. There you go. Not that tall, though.
S3: Not not as tall as Jacob Elordi. Definitely not.
S1: Okay, so that's quite a list of pretty, pretty good
S1: movies to watch before Christmas time. I'm going to hand
S1: the baton over to you, Thomas, my TV guy. Talk
S1: us through what is around the corner in TV land.
S2: Yes. Well, look, it's interesting time in TV land, obviously,
S2: because the strike feels like stuff is kind of disappearing
S2: from the schedule or getting pushed back. You know, over
S2: in the US, they're talking about this winter of discontent.
S2: But I'm here to talk about the spring of discontent.
S4: Oh, oh, oh.
S3: How long had you just thought.
S2: About when we came in? And I've been.
S4: Really just that. Wow.
S2: We can cut that.
S1: Anyway, so that's the breakout clip we're going to put
S1: up on TikTok. Yeah.
S2: I was actually pretty proud of it. But no, there
S2: actually are some good shows. Like I do feel like
S2: you have to look for them. There's some pretty exciting
S2: stuff coming up, including some homegrown ones. So the first
S2: one we'll start with is very timely as it begins
S2: today on ABC iView. Now that's star struck from Rose Matafeo,
S2: the New Zealand comedian. So this is the third and
S2: final season. Now, look, obviously, as I always say with
S2: these types of shows, if you haven't seen the first
S2: two seasons, especially with this one, go and watch it.
S2: It is so funny. I'm pretty sure you guys are
S2: both across.
S1: I'm across how good it is. I've not seen it though,
S1: but I know that us critics like love it. Like
S1: some of the critics I respect the most say it's
S1: one of the best shows of the last couple of years.
S3: I agree. It is so good and the seasons aren't
S3: particularly long either after this episode, so you can watch
S3: it kind of in a week or two. Yeah.
S2: And she's a big, you know, all the kind of like,
S2: like Vulture and like all the websites in the States. Like,
S2: absolutely Love Rose. She's she's blowing up off the back
S2: of this show basically. I guess the premise of the
S2: show is that on New Year's Eve, she has a
S2: one night stand with someone who turns out to be
S2: a very famous actor and the first two seasons kind
S2: of follow their relationship. We have a time jump in
S2: season three so they jump forward two years and like,
S2: I won't give away too much, but you know, like
S2: the thing I really like about starstruck is it's very
S2: much a romantic comedy. Even what's happening in season three is,
S2: you know, like the main character is 33. Her friends
S2: are kind of like getting married, having kids. This is
S2: all stuff we've seen a million times before. But Rose
S2: is such a clever writer. She's so good at like
S2: absolutely packaging up those real life moments and putting them
S2: on screen. So even though it's ground we've seen before,
S2: the show is very, very funny. That starts on Wednesday
S2: on ABC. I think you guys would both love it.
S1: Yeah, it's a good time to catch up. Awesome. Good shot.
S2: So that's one I think that's worth talking about. Now.
S2: This is another one coming from Australia. So this arrives
S2: September 28th on Stan. I think we've all been discussing
S2: it a bit. So it's called the New Kick Gary series.
S1: But it's like sort of spelt like Mash where there's
S1: like an asterisks between each letter, which is interesting.
S2: It's funny, this show has been like in the works
S2: for a while because pretty early on they were basically like,
S2: Sean Penn is going to be in this Australian show,
S2: which is a great way to like send an email
S2: to a writer, Oh my God, Sean Penn is going
S2: to be an Australian. Oh, worked for you.
S1: You've written like ten stories about.
S2: It, correct? I was like, I love Sean Penn. Like,
S2: I get the feeling Sean Penn's like, not in it
S2: a whole lot. They've also since added Susan Sarandon to
S2: the cast, so it's like pretty stacked, but basically it's
S2: mostly an Australian cast. We've got Brian Brown, Travis Fimmel,
S2: Lincoln Nunez, Alexander Englund, Ben O'Toole, your boy, Faisal Baz's
S2: in it. Rebecca Breeds. And basically it's kind of like
S2: a it's like a wartime drama, but really it's like
S2: a comedy.
S3: Have you seen any of the previews for I haven't.
S2: Seen the previews yet, but I know what the first
S2: episode is about. Essentially, it's like these guys, can you can.
S1: You read out this description you've written? Because it sounds insane.
S1: I would love you to read this out, please.
S2: After the Australian Minister of Defence takes a secret file
S2: to the Princess of Behati Prinsloo, a small island nation,
S2: he sends four Australian soldiers into the war torn country
S2: on a secret mission to retrieve the file mistaken for Americans.
S2: They are captured by freedom fighters and produce a hostage
S2: video that goes viral. When the soldiers reach celebrity status
S2: on social media, they realize that being caught might just
S2: be the best thing that could have happened to them.
S2: They're about to make search history.
S3: Yeah, I'm not sure about this one. There's been so
S3: much hype. I watched the trailer. I think it could
S3: be either really fantastic or just not work at all. Like,
S3: can't quite pick which way it's going to go yet. Like,
S3: it seems very over the top, I think.
S2: I think it's like shamelessly over the top and it's
S2: going to be a bit like, I mean, the perfect
S2: example is that they're dropping all episodes in one, so
S2: they don't expect you to wait around for this. It's
S2: like smash it out. It'll be quite funny. Yeah, very
S2: big cast.
S3: They're hoping you'll be caught by it straight away.
S2: Exactly.
S1: It looks fun. It's nice to see like, interesting out
S1: of the box. Australian productions trying to take some swings.
S1: I'm looking forward to this one.
S2: Yes. So that's one that I think is worth checking
S2: out now. The next one I want to talk about
S2: has a lot of buzz now. And to me this,
S2: if I said to you both without looking, who were
S2: the four major supermodels of the 90s, could you tell
S2: me off the top of your head?
S3: Naomi Campbell Correct. Cindy Crawford.
S2: Correct.
S1: They're the two that I would say.
S3: As I put Kate Moss on there. But I think
S3: I know where you're going with this and I don't
S3: think she's in it. I guess she's not. Maybe she's
S3: a supermodel.
S2: Yeah, she is, but she's not one of the four.
S2: So this is like this is evangelist stuff. Yes. Correct. Oh,
S2: you're so close.
S1: I don't know. I can't think of the last one.
S2: The last one is Christy Turlington.
S3: Oh, yeah.
S2: So this series is coming to Apple on the 20th
S2: of September. It's a four part Apple documentary. And basically,
S2: so you know how these four women, they essentially like
S2: created the supermodel in like 80s and 90s. The supermodel,
S2: as we know you know the construct now the the
S2: Victoria's Secret level like that insane cover of Vogue where.
S3: They were more than models they kind of became public
S3: figures and celebrities in their own rights.
S2: Yeah and and became this kind of like commodity and
S2: so essentially this series is like taking us back and
S2: it features like I think each episode is based on
S2: one of the four and it features like first person
S2: interviews with all of them and talking about that era
S2: kind of at the same time where, you know, magazines
S2: and like Conde Nast was just basically running print media
S2: over in New York. And it kind of looks at
S2: the rise of these women and how it was like
S2: this perfect marriage in time of like their fashion and
S2: their look and the need we had for them. And then,
S2: of course, it all comes kind of crashing down. So yeah,
S2: I think like people love that type of stuff and
S2: I've heard lots of good things, so I'm quite keen
S2: for that one. If you guys are on board.
S3: Yeah, I am on board. I like anything reflecting on
S3: the 90s and I think that all probably have pretty
S3: interesting stories to tell. Hopefully. My only concern is that
S3: I hope it's not too polish like I hope they
S3: do get good stuff out.
S2: I think Naomi Campbell is famously she's a pretty she'll
S2: say whatever she wants to say.
S1: I do. I do like this era like we saw
S1: with the Britney stuff, like re interrogating, like what was
S1: actually going on there. Like what it meant to be
S1: a woman in this ecosystem of like intense pressure, of
S1: intense exploitation or whatever. I think if the show, you know,
S1: goes into that and like it's Apple TV, I think,
S1: which like makes pretty good high quality stuff in this space,
S1: it's not the kind of like more trashy Netflix documentary style.
S1: I think it could be pretty sharp. Yeah.
S2: Yes, That's one I think that's worth keeping an eye on.
S2: And then now this. This one's coming mid-October.
S1: Oh, hang on. Thomas. Thomas.
S5: I hear the blues are calling.
S2: Keep going. Keep going.
S1: So salad and scrambled eggs. They're calling again.
S4: Well, do we have.
S3: To sing on every podcast from now on?
S4: Look.
S1: And I've said.
S2: The phrase The Frasier reboot arrives on Paramount+ October 12th.
S1: Ali discovered this like a week ago. I did not
S1: realize this was in the works. I'd missed this totally.
S2: Yes. So it's been 30 years since Frasier and Niles
S2: and the rest of the Crane family flew off our screens.
S2: And like I loved Frasier, I told Osbourne a story
S2: on the weekend about. Do you remember this? Do you
S2: remember this about my. Well, I didn't tell it. My
S2: brother taped over our family memories on VHS so you
S2: could take the Frasier Marathon on TV, one on Foxtel.
S2: We were a big Frasier family.
S1: This is how TV used to work, by the way,
S1: in the olden days. So people listening to this, you
S1: didn't have everything on streaming. You had to watch cable
S1: networks that just had marathons and you have to get
S1: a little VHS tape that had Thomas growing up, you know,
S1: from the edges of 1 to 14 and you'd tape
S1: over it. That was the only way you could watch
S1: iconic shows like Frasier.
S2: And so like my lost years, especially 8 to 14,
S2: when I was straight killing it, I just had.
S3: Those blonde tips you're always telling us about the show necklace, correct?
S3: All gone.
S2: A party shirt? Yeah. So anyway, Frasier's back like, you know,
S2: it's got the most Emmy wins for comedy series ever.
S2: It's like Frasier is untouchable in the TV landscape. It's
S2: up there with, like, Seinfeld and Mad About You and
S2: Sex and the City is those, like, iconic series. I mean,
S2: we've seen what like, a reboot has done to the
S2: Sex and the City brand with and just like that,
S2: which I would say on the whole possibly not a
S2: positive thing. And I think the thing about Frasier, it's
S2: got even more kind of like original cred than Sex
S2: and the City. Like people really love the show and
S2: I just don't know what this is going to be like.
S2: The kind of logline for the show is radio psychiatrist
S2: Frasier Crane has moved the action from Seattle to Boston.
S2: He's living in an Ivy League campus and, like, has
S2: a reunion with his college dropout son, Freddie. So he's
S2: no longer on the radio like taking audience calls as
S2: a psychiatrist, Kelsey Grammer as an actor and person has
S2: also become a bit of a strange cat.
S1: Yeah, he's like a super Republican. I was pretty right
S1: wing guy.
S4: Yeah.
S2: And like, he and also, he's just like his private life.
S2: There's a lot going on there. I just don't know. And,
S2: you know, like, Niles has not come back for the show.
S1: Niles is not in the show.
S2: No. So, like, there's a few things. A few, like
S2: ducks in a row that make me think, oh, I
S2: wonder if Paramount's just funded this because they know it'll
S2: be a hit, but it's going to be a stinker.
S2: But yeah, anyway, that's back in October 12th.
S3: It will be interesting to see because in some way
S3: Sex in the City was easier to bring today than Frasier,
S3: which had like a laugh track or a live audience.
S3: Sitcoms like that aren't really a thing anymore, so it
S3: will be interesting to see how they kind of managed
S3: to keep the charm of the original but make it
S3: relevant to a new audience. Yeah.
S1: My least controversial prediction of this episode will be this
S1: show will suck and it will totally tank. I just
S1: can't see how it could work for all those reasons
S1: you guys just described.
S2: Yeah, yeah, I have low expectations also, but you know.
S3: But at least we got to sing the song.
S1: I got to sing.
S2: Great theme song though. It was a great theme song.
S1: And Thomas, your last show was one that you are
S1: actually watching, like you've seen this one. You can tell
S1: us about it.
S2: Yes. Yes. I'm also halfway through this one. Very, very good.
S2: And I didn't really think I would like it. So
S2: it's all the light we cannot see which arrives November
S2: two on Netflix. Of course, that's the best selling. Here
S2: we go. Mill one for you. Best selling.
S4: Book. This is.
S3: My Turf.
S2: Yes. By Anthony Doerr, Anthony Dore, the best selling book
S2: by Anthony Dua, sold 50 million copies. Essentially, it's like
S2: a World War two novel set in a small kind
S2: of French town. It follows this kind of unusual friendship
S2: between a blind girl that's living in the town. As
S2: the Americans are doing their bombing, raiding, and the war
S2: is wrapping up. And a young Nazi soldier who's like
S2: a radio expert and they kind of have this friendship,
S2: I turned it on because there wasn't much on it
S2: was in my like, Netflix media preview slot. And I
S2: clicked on it and had Mark Ruffalo, which is basically
S2: enough to get me to watch anything. Yeah. And yeah,
S2: first three episodes like really, really into it. Mark Ruffalo
S2: is amazing. It's also got Hugh Laurie in a really
S2: unusual role and I'm always here for him. But anyway,
S2: this this one's really good and it's kind of like
S2: it is your typical Netflix. Like it's almost got that
S2: Emily in Paris effect where like you see like these
S2: small Parisian towns in the war, but everything looks like
S2: it's set.
S3: It looks very melodramatic and there's a lot of sweeping
S3: kind of drone shots which worry it isn't.
S2: Like it's not a gritty World War two drama, but
S2: it's it's quite like a.
S3: Lot of strings in the Sound Nice Watch soundtrack. Yeah,
S3: I got it.
S2: But it's worth checking out. So that's November 2nd on Netflix.
S1: Thanks for doing that.
S2: Digging. Oh, sorry. There's one more and I have to
S2: get this in because I think it could be one
S2: of the best shows of the latter half of the year.
S2: That's The Changeling that comes on Apple TV on Friday.
S2: The first three apps drop all at once. This one
S2: is like big Osmond Farooqui Vibes, so it's directed by
S2: Melina Matsoukas. You know her? Yeah, she's Greek. She directed
S2: the formation videos and she did Queen Slim, which was
S2: like a great film. This is like a very unsettling
S2: kind of like horror. It starts as like a really
S2: these like meet cute, these guy and girl meet in
S2: a library and then it quickly becomes this like really
S2: fucked up love story. I don't want to give too
S2: much away but basically, like if you like Beyonce videos
S2: or you've seen Queen and Slim or you like Horrors
S2: set in New York, watch the changes in Friday, 8th
S2: September on Apple.
S3: This looks so good. Next to my list.
S1: Apple TV is like eating this spring. There's a lot
S1: of good I was going to say.
S2: A lot of apple like. Yeah overrepresented.
S1: Okay. And Mel, you've been annoying me the entire time
S1: we've had this podcast to talk about literature. I know
S1: what I'm saying. This like I hate books, I love books.
S1: I read many of them. You know, one thing I
S1: do think about books, though, I find them hard to
S1: talk about with other people because they're not visual. You
S1: can't really describe certain bits. And it's hard to talk
S1: about like out loud the quality of writing. I think
S1: without people who haven't read it, sort of getting, you know, bored.
S1: But this is your challenge. This is your little backdoor
S1: pilot for a book podcast. Talk to us about some
S1: of the big book releases coming out internationally and in
S1: Australia and why we should care about it and make
S1: it as exciting and as engaging and as enthralling as
S1: you can go.
S3: Oh my God, the French.
S2: Country, Thousands of people hit pause on This.
S3: Is absolutely on everyone review this podcast and say, You
S3: want five stars and you want more book content. Let's
S3: make this happen.
S2: Loving that book content.
S3: Meg Okay. I also Thomas, I think has a bit
S3: of a beanies bonnet as a published author.
S2: Yeah, the only published author on this podcast. Thank you very.
S3: Much. I have to say, Thomas has Thomas write a
S3: book of essays a few years ago.
S2: Essays is generous.
S3: I haven't fully got round to reading them all yet,
S3: so every birthday Thomas will give me a new copy
S3: of the book, but.
S2: It is still actually available online and.
S3: Maybe we'll review it. I will also flag that I've
S3: been told to cut this down. I had less books
S3: than TV, but anyway, here we go.
S1: You had like 15 books. You had more books than
S1: we had television shows and movies.
S3: I know that people need a book podcast. Anyway, let's
S3: start with Zadie Smith. Are you guys fans or.
S1: I'm a big fan of Zadie Smith, not just her books,
S1: but I got to see us speak at a festival
S1: in Melbourne a couple of years ago. It was one
S1: of the best talks at a writers festival I've ever seen.
S1: She is amazing. So you're off to a good start.
S3: Okay, good. Thomas Well, yes.
S2: She opened the Sydney Writers Festival this year. We went together.
S2: That was before we started going to films together and
S2: she was amazing. She was my favorite speaker, along with
S2: Ben Lau, who we obviously know and love. But yes,
S2: I'm excited.
S3: Friend of the pod. Yes. She has a new book,
S3: The Fraud. It's coming out on September 13th now. It's
S3: been seven years since she released her last novel. Obviously,
S3: she kind of rose to prominence off the back of
S3: white teeth in 2000 when she was very young. She's
S3: written quite a few novels since, but she's taken a
S3: bit of a break and now she's back. And this
S3: is her first foray into historical fiction. At least that's
S3: how they're billing it, because we know that history is
S3: always very present in her novels. This one is set
S3: in the 1870s, and it's based on the real life
S3: trial of a man who claimed to be the heir
S3: to the Roger Tishman empire. So it was this kind
S3: of huge case in the Victorian era about this man.
S3: Was he a baronet? Was he a butcher? Who knows?
S3: And that was what the trial was about. So her
S3: story is told through the eyes of a Scottish housekeeper
S3: who becomes obsessed with this trial. And in particular, one
S3: of the main witnesses, Andrew Bogle, who grew up enslaved
S3: in Jamaica. So, I mean, even if that kind of
S3: historical setup doesn't get you I have read this and
S3: it's just so well done. And I think it is
S3: her at her height of her powers, the.
S1: Historical set up totally got me that sounded really great.
S1: And White Teeth is one of my favorite books ever.
S1: This sounds really good.
S2: Yeah, I was going to say that seven years is
S2: a very long time. Do you reckon it was at
S2: like a like a head noise thing that she was like,
S2: Oh God, I can't back it up? Or was it
S2: just like.
S3: Well, she did short stories and she did. She wrote
S3: a play and she was over living in the US
S3: and did essays as well? I think so. No, I
S3: think she is one of those others that just takes
S3: a fair amount of time between books and yeah, this
S3: is like this has the links to the present are
S3: so obvious and they're not overworked. It's kind of about power, celebrity, money, class.
S3: It's a ripper of a raid. And we'll come back
S3: and discuss how you felt about it.
S4: Thomas Look forward to it.
S1: And it's out like next week.
S3: It is. It is out on Instagram.
S2: And will cover. Is it going to be one of
S2: those books that I see like suddenly on all the
S2: different like little chicks I follow? Yeah, yeah.
S3: It's like bright and sparkly. Tell us more about all
S3: the magpie.
S4: That's separate pod.
S1: What else have you got for Continue?
S3: Okay, continue on. Okay, here we go. Here's one I
S3: think you guys will get excited about. Britney Spears has
S3: a memoir coming out, The Woman in Me, October 24th.
S3: She was reportedly paid $15 million for the Tell-all, which
S3: is one of the biggest deals of all time behind
S3: the Obamas.
S1: How's that compared to yours, Thomas?
S4: It's it's you probably papering.
S2: In the tax brackets. It's not that different.
S4: Yeah, I'm still waiting.
S2: I ended up making a lot on the back end
S2: of my. Please buy it.
S3: I can't believe you have turned this book section by, like,
S3: one moment into a promotion. Yes. I think this is
S3: going to be great. Obviously, Britney's a lot in the
S3: news at the moment. She promises to cover her fame,
S3: her mental health crisis, the conservatorship, the Freebritney movement. The
S3: publishers call it a brave and astonishingly moving story. Can't
S3: tell if there's a ghostwriter involved yet.
S2: I mean, I think if you go on her Instagram,
S2: you can tell.
S1: Yeah, there's the ghostwriter involved. Mel, sorry to break it.
S2: To you, but do you guys also think, like all
S2: jokes aside, I think there's been a lot of chat
S2: about Britney, like post conservatorship and like how she's like
S2: she's obviously her marriage is just broken down or her
S2: engagement or whatever. And like, obviously, we don't know what's
S2: going on, but like seeing her on social media and
S2: how she acts like. Could potentially be seen as like
S2: a little bit alarming or troubling, Like, do you think
S2: this book now coming out and she's probably have to
S2: do a wave of publicity around it like do you
S2: think this is just like you guys concerned?
S3: I honestly think if she just removed her eye makeup better, a.
S4: Lot of the.
S3: Concerns would be mitigated. I actually don't. Yeah, it's a
S3: good question. And I don't know if she'll do publicity
S3: around this.
S1: I think the one thing about a book is like theoretically,
S1: like she has agency over it, like she gets to
S1: decide and, you know, she's making a bag and like,
S1: fair enough, good on her. But I do feel like
S1: since Harry's spare, I don't know if you've seen a
S1: book like this, and I think it'll be the same
S1: sort of thing where people will, like take photos of
S1: the pages and sections of it will go viral. It'll
S1: be interesting to see whether she like Harry, like reads
S1: the audiobook version. Like, that'd be pretty interesting. Like I
S1: think people might want to listen to that, but she
S1: might also just say, That's a lot of work. Someone
S1: else can do it.
S3: Yeah, it'll be it will. The story of this story
S3: I think, is pretty interesting. There hasn't been much. Yeah.
S3: About how the deal was made, who brokered it for her,
S3: The kind of ghostwriting or the process. It will be
S3: interesting to find that out. And it's been under lock
S3: and key. Like we probably won't get it till the
S3: day of the release. So yeah, highly anticipated.
S2: Yeah. Actually I'm like, I will definitely either read the
S2: book or like read those, you know, like five things
S2: you must Know from the Britney Spears biography.
S3: Maybe we'll even write that story.
S4: Perhaps I will.
S1: Okay, so what about closer to home? Any any good
S1: old fashioned Aussie books that we should be keeping our
S1: eye open to?
S3: Yeah, absolutely. So there's heaps because they all kind of
S3: get released around this time of the year or during
S3: spring in the lead up to Christmas sales, which is
S3: the big moment for books apart from Father's Day. And
S3: obviously this is a brief list.
S4: But it's just taking ten minutes to get through it.
S1: If you stopped talking about like the meta narrative around
S1: this list, just talk about the books. We probably could
S1: have squeezed in more books.
S4: Now, that's funny thing about Christmas.
S2: And Father's Day, I was actually still talking. She's like.
S3: You're allowed to just you're allowed to stutter on. Okay.
S3: One of the favorites that I have read already, Charlotte Wood. Sonya,
S3: you don't have.
S1: To talk quickly.
S4: Now. That's not.
S1: Okay. We're keeping all of this in.
S4: By the way, this. No. Yes.
S3: This is my dress, Rose.
S4: So am I.
S3: Yeah. Charlotte Wood. We know her from the natural way
S3: of things. Which one? The stellar prize. And also from
S3: the Weekend, which was her latest book. I like that. Yeah,
S3: that was a very kind of. That was much more
S3: commercial book for her about kind of three women in
S3: their 70s reuniting this new one stone yard devotional out
S3: October 3rd is really restrained. It's a really interesting setup.
S3: It's about a woman who abandons her life as an
S3: environmental activist in Sydney, and she seeks refuge in a
S3: community of nuns who live in a rural community where
S3: she grew up. And, you know, it's very quiet and
S3: it's the rhythms of monastic life, and they're kind of
S3: unsettled by there's this mouse plague, there's an unexpected visitor.
S3: There's the repatriation of a former nuns body. So in
S3: one part it's very quiet. But there's all this kind
S3: of settlement just below the surface. It's a really interesting read.
S3: I'm speaking to her next week for Spectrum, so it'll
S3: be interesting to hear the story behind it because it
S3: does feel like a kind of different work from her.
S1: Yeah, interesting.
S3: Yeah, nice. And then I'll pick out a debut, which
S3: is another Australian debut, The Modern by Anna Kate Blair,
S3: which is out in September. I think we've talked before
S3: about how there's quite a lot of are being named
S3: sad girl novels out at the moment, which I'm always
S3: kind of I say in quotation marks because I'm hesitant
S3: to kind of like dismiss this whole kind of portion
S3: of people writing work because it's so easy to dismiss
S3: young women in their feelings. But I.
S1: Mean, I wish it was easy.
S4: To exhibit things out.
S3: Here. Anyway, this.
S4: One.
S3: This one stands apart. It's really interesting. It kind of
S3: is about a woman who works in an art gallery
S3: and she has been proposed to her by her boyfriend
S3: and she's trying to understand what marriage means to her
S3: or what it means to her identity through the frame
S3: of the art that she's working with. So it's just
S3: kind of a really unique book and not kind of
S3: one that I've encountered before. So yeah.
S2: You gave me this one a while ago and it's
S2: sitting on my bedside table. Yes, I love the cover.
S2: The cover is really cool. And I do think not
S2: to go back to this, but I do think it
S2: will be one that, like you do see on social
S2: media because it looks really cool. Like it's kind of
S2: got like a bit of a Sally Rooney type vibe
S2: to it. So that's like next on my list.
S3: Yeah, yeah, do it. I love writing books about art.
S3: So this hit a lot of boxes for me. Yes.
S2: So because I love the Museum of Modern Art by
S2: Heather Rose about that Marina Abramovic like weird exhibition. There's
S2: just something about, I think, an art gallery that lends
S2: itself to the novel framework and that you can kind
S2: of go in and out and I can always like
S2: muse on the art where I'm using about their feelings,
S2: and it just works really well. So I'm very excited
S2: for this one.
S1: Ten out of ten. Mel, well done. I don't think
S1: that'll be the last time we talk about books on
S1: the show.
S4: No, I'm not.
S2: Yeah, probably this year.
S4: Oh, well, it won't be the last.
S3: Time we're talking about Thomas.
S4: That's all.
S1: And you've got another category to step us through music.
S1: We dedicated all of last week to country music, which
S1: was a lot of fun. But you've got a few
S1: other big records coming up that you think are worth
S1: people being across. Talk us through.
S3: Them. I mean, we've got a highlight. Olivia Rodrigo's guts
S3: out September 8th. Are you guys fans?
S1: I'm a huge fan. I loved that first record. I
S1: love Vampire That I think, which is the first single
S1: from this one. And bad idea, right? Like, I I'm
S1: really into Olivia Rodrigo. And I think the fact that
S1: she like is doing a sophomore follow up so soon
S1: that actually sounds fun and interesting and like an evolution
S1: is really exciting. This is a really good show.
S3: Yeah, I can't wait. I put that idea right is
S3: so fun. Vampire kind of really kicks you in the guts.
UU: Are used to think I was smart. But you made
UU: me look so nice. See? It took me.
S6: It's sucker fame fucker. Let me try like a goddamn vampire.
S3: I find her music so fun. Like I just love
S3: the Gen Z kind of vibe of it. I love
S3: that she's talking about driver's license in Deja Vu from
S3: This is from her Sour album. There's a song where
S3: she's like, You're the one who showed her Billy Joel
S3: and taught her how to sing Uptown Girl. Like I
S3: just I love the references and the kind of big
S3: feelings condensed into this pop rock language.
S1: You go so hard, man. Just just like an anthem.
S4: Yeah.
S3: And also, there's obviously a lot of kind of scandals
S3: externally to her as well at the moment with news
S3: of a rift between Olivia and Taylor over claims of
S3: plagiarism and copyright, I do think.
S2: Taylor would be like probably not worried about anyone in
S2: the current pop landscape, but definitely keeping an eye on
S2: someone like Olivia Rodrigo because they're very similar and Olivia
S2: seems to have that like the edge that Taylor maybe has.
S2: Like Taylor's kind of like smoothened out a bit. She's
S2: not got that same, you know, like she's, she's the
S2: world's biggest pop star. She doesn't need to have that
S2: same excitement about her. But whereas, like, Olivia maybe has
S2: what Taylor used, like I can I can imagine she's
S2: a bit worried about Olivia.
S1: Rodrigo I think it's really disappointing. You guys are pitting
S1: young women in the music community against each other. But
S1: I do think on that point, Mel, about the plagiarism claims,
S1: I think a little bit of that has been like
S1: over egged, like there was this dispute on sour. From
S1: what I understand, it was resolved pretty amicably. But to
S1: your point. Thomas Yeah, I mean, I don't think and
S1: I think Olivia's not quite there yet, but she's this
S1: kind of blend between Taylor and Billie Eilish, like she
S1: could take the throne. I think she's got the ingredients
S1: to really do it. So I think she I think
S1: this album is one to watch because if it's good,
S1: if it's as good as sour and as popular and
S1: as critically acclaimed, like there's no reason why in ten
S1: years time Olivia Rodrigo isn't selling out huge stadiums around
S1: the world.
S3: Yeah, absolutely. I kind of think she would probably be
S3: able to do it now anyway. The other artist also
S3: falling into the kind of pop category, Troye Sivan has
S3: got something to give each other. October 13. Now, you
S3: may remember him from the Idol.
S1: He was the other good bit of that show. He
S1: was good in.
S4: The idol, apart from.
S3: When he was like colored and shocked.
S2: I didn't. I think in terms of like how he
S2: came out of it, he had pretty good acting chops,
S2: I thought.
S3: Yeah. And it was actually that that got me more
S3: interested in him. I've never been heaps into his music.
S2: It was definitely the best musician acting in that show.
S3: Yeah, that's very fair. Brutal to the weekend.
S4: But yeah.
S2: Like it's a no.
S3: Brainer. Yeah, I've never. I don't know about you guys.
S3: Never been heaps into his music like my, my my
S3: and Bloom from his earlier album kind of didn't excite
S3: me much.
S1: Are you a fan of Rush, like the first single?
S3: I am a fan of Rush.
S4: I feel the rush.
UU: To rush into other for. So good of you.
S1: Why would you sing Now Podcast?
S4: Not only do.
S3: I think Ross shows a level of sophistication that he
S3: hasn't shown before. I also heard him being interviewed on
S3: Dua Lipa's podcast and he was talking about all how
S3: he's in his clubbing era. And so I think this
S3: album sounds like it's going to be a lot of fun.
S1: And you know, one bit of Goss I heard around
S1: the traps is that the single Rush and the album
S1: were supposed to come out a little bit earlier, and
S1: the idea was they were hoping that the Idol and
S1: Troy like that would be a big thing. And people like, Oh,
S1: you like this show? You like Troye Sivan will go
S1: by and stream his album and the negative reaction to
S1: the show pushed things down the track a little bit.
S1: So there's a little bit of gossip for you.
S2: Yeah, I think we spoke about at the time that
S2: he because he's got like a crazy amount of Instagram
S2: followers and he like really stopped posting about that show
S2: pretty early. Like beforehand it was all like massive hype
S2: post idol, blah, blah, blah like. And then as soon
S2: as maybe after the first episode, he just like, really
S2: noticeably stopped posting. Like, Yeah, it's funny how that works
S2: because like once you get the feeling that the public
S2: hates it, suddenly you're like, okay, I'll stop like flogging
S2: this on my Instagram. But yeah, I mean, we all
S2: love Troy and he's like homegrown talent. One of those
S2: Australian musicians who's like, doesn't really talk about being Australian
S2: very much, which I respect.
S4: You know, lives in Melbourne.
S3: Is he taking you out?
S1: Oz So he lives in Carlton in a very like
S1: everyone sort of knows where he lives. Ever since the
S1: Architectural Digest video tour of his place and he gets
S1: coffee from like a hip coffee shop and he goes
S1: to like hip bars. I do believe that we have
S1: a big like, good weekend story coming up with Troye Sivan.
S1: I don't want to say more details because I don't
S1: want to like jeopardise things and I'm not sure what
S1: the embargoes are, but there is a big a big
S1: project with Troy happening at our publication. So stay tuned.
S1: All right. With that, that was a great, great run
S1: through of some pretty amazing things to look forward to.
S1: It made me feel more excited and more positive about
S1: the year. I think the strike, I think for us,
S1: we report on it, we think about this stuff. It's
S1: easy to get kind of down and in the dumps
S1: when movies like June 2nd are delayed, but there's heaps
S1: to look forward to. Thank you, Thomas and Mel for
S1: talking us all through it.
S2: Yeah, well, you know, it's over there. It's the winter
S2: of discontent. But right now.
S3: Spring has sprung.
S2: That's the spring of discontent.
S4: I was not going to say that.
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