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S1: Mel Cambrai. Guys, spring is here. We're feeling good. The

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S1: Let's stop doing this. The seasons may have turned, but

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S3: Ronan Right. Like, she's incredible. Lady Bird, Little women. I

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S1: And he's and he's I think he started filming Gladiator two,

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S2: Isn't that basically Napoleon?

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S1: Well, yeah. We'll get to Napoleon. We'll get to Napoleon.

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S3: Yeah, we're going to get to talk history with you.

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S3: You know.

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S2: If you think I didn't Wikipedia Napoleon Bonaparte before this.

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S1: So the other one that that I'm. It falls into

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S1: Yeah, the boys. Dave Fincher. Our guy Gone Girl, The

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S1: The Killer, starring Michael Fassbender. That's out on Netflix November 10th.

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S1: Why do you think this is also a book adaptation

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S1: qualms about his job. And I think I think. Fassbender's Pretty,

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S1: pretty good. Pretty intense. Pretty brooding. The trailer looks pretty sick.

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S1: I'm interested in this one. Not not so much.

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S3: Not so much. From what I've seen and read about it,

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S3: it looks like very action packed. I love some of

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S3: these other films. Fight Club Gone Girl seven. This one

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S3: looks real, like kind of stock standard action just from

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S1: I reckon when this movie comes out, you will think

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S1: you'll admit you were wrong. I think you'd be like, Wow.

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S3: Out. Okay, I'm ready. I'm ready to be. I'm ready

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S3: as they say, about 18 times in the trailer.

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S1: One movie that I do think you're excited about, Mel.

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S1: And I'm interested to hear what your vibes are in

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S1: this one. Thomas a girl, Emma Seligman, had this movie

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S2: Probably the only good thing about the show.

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S1: Absolutely. So the two of them have written this movie, Bottoms.

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S1: It's a teen sex comedy. It also stars debris from

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S1: the bear. Really, really excited for this one. It doesn't

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S1: have an Australian release date yet, but surely it's coming

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S1: like we are hyped for this, right?

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S3: Yeah, I cannot wait for this. So it's due out

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S3: in the US in October and the early reviews have

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S2: Like once a week.

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S3: At least once a week. I have been begging Thomas

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S3: I'm very excited to see the two of them team

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S3: up again for this one. I love high school kind

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S3: of comedies. This is a got a queer element to

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S2: What's the actual premise of this film?

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S3: Essentially, it seems like the unpopular, ostracized kids kind of

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S2: So it sounds like you like it.

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S4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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S3: These are your people are. Leo These are mine.

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S1: Thomas And I don't relate to that narrative, actually.

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S2: Yeah, correct. I was just straight killing.

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S3: I know. What? We'll get you in there. Looks like

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S3: there's a bit of a cameo from Kaia Gerber in there,

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S3: as well as the. As the look.

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S1: At his face.

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S3: Light up.

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S4: Girl.

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S2: Yeah, I have heard very, very good things. And yet,

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S2: I mean, I really want to watch Shiva, baby. It's

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S2: I just I've been told too many times to watch

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S2: it that I can't bring myself to watch it anymore.

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S2: But yes, this looks great. I'm excited.

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S1: If I say the words Sofia Coppola to you guys,

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S1: how do how do you react? How do you feel?

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S3: Favorite lover? Inspiration.

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S2: I just feel like a warmth. I love the whole

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S2: Coppola family.

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S3: Yeah. Favorite Coppola by far. She's fantastic. What about Francis Ford? No, it's.

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S1: All I think she's better than Frankie.

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S4: Are you like, are.

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S1: You lost in translation and Marie Antoinette Virgin Suicides. What's

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S1: your ideal virgin?

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S3: Suicides Lost in translation. But Marie Antoinette, even the Bling

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S3: Ring like was pretty good. It was fun and then beguiled.

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S3: I quite liked that as well. Strong female characters kind

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S3: of pared back storytelling. It's not in your face. It's

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S3: not super. Sometimes it is flashy, but not super flashy. Yeah,

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S3: I think she's great. So I'm very excited. Yeah.

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S1: So we're not just talking about this. I'm not just

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S1: a movie. It's coming out. It's called Priscilla also doesn't

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S1: about Priscilla Presley. She played by Cailee Spaeny Jacob Elordi

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S1: like interesting, two different kind of like young hunks playing

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S1: Elvis in as many years. That's exciting.

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S2: I've seen they've obviously been doing like not press, but

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S3: Yeah they've got a waiver from SAG they to promote

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S3: the film.

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S2: Okay because they've been everywhere everyone keeps mentioning like he's

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S2: Tall guy, way taller than Elvis. Yeah.

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S1: in this she's playing someone called Anne Beaulieu. I don't

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S1: know enough about that Presleys to know what that is,

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S1: from Marie Antoinette, where it's a lot of contemporary pop

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S1: this could be pretty fun. Yeah.

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S2: But because what happened is the Presley, whatever they call it,

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S2: the Presley Foundation did not back this film. Any music?

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S3: Yeah, but Priscilla very much has. She's one of the

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S3: it premiered, and apparently it was in the audience crying.

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S3: It had a seven minute standing ovation.

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S2: Actually does a bit of crying these days. I don't

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S1: They've been the family's been through a lot of hard.

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S3: No, no.

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S3: Did you like Baz Luhrmann's Elvis?

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S1: I did, but I did as well. But I'm a

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S1: pretty like I'm pretty partial to baths. I really like baths.

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S1: And I think I think it's really interesting that we'll

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S1: and I think playing Elvis in a Sofia Coppola movie

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S1: could be could be a big turning point for him.

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S2: Yeah, I just feel like I read this GQ profile

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S2: with him and I didn't love his vibe. I almost

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S1: Elvis I think it was wasted in the bad Elvis

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S2: I feel like.

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S3: He's not going to have like Priscilla is going to

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S3: have to like play the kind of extent that Austin

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S3: Butler did in in Elvis, though, what I find interesting

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S4: Oh, that's right.

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S1: There was all this discourse when the trailer came out

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S1: and it was like, Oh, you're endorsing this? Yeah, that

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S3: Yeah. Yeah. And apparently they kind of they do avoid

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S3: that and tread the line. That was very chaste relationship.

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S2: Man Like people's ages are fluid and Julie Cooper's 80

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S2: and Marissa.

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S4: Six.

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S3: I mean I don't know you didn't extend that to

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S3: to your mates from Killers of the Flower moon, did you?

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S2: Yeah, they're good. Yeah. Some of the OG guys.

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S1: A couple more to to talk about before we move

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S1: to other areas of culture. So this one, I don't

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S1: know if anyone else is excited for this except for me.

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S1: And it may be to do with the fact that

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S1: over the weekend I watched the 2006 remake of Miami Vice,

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S1: directed by Michael Mann. That movie is good. That movie

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S1: is good. And Michael Mann is a good director who

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S1: knows how to make fun movies that involve lots of cars.

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S1: So he's made Ferrari, which is a film about Enzo Ferrari.

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S1: Adam Driver clearly impressing everyone with his accent from House

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S1: of Gucci is back Playing Enzo Far is very hard

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S1: to tell what this movie is about. There's very little dialogue.

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S1: He seems to be in a love triangle with Penelope

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S1: Cruz and Shailene Woodley. That's, that's really all I can ascertain.

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S1: But I'm. I think this should be fun. Like Adam

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S1: drivers pretty good.

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S2: I think everyone loves Adam Driver. Like no one has

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S2: a bad word to say. Yeah, I watched the trailer

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S2: and I was like, He's got like one line in

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S2: the trailer. He's like, my cars. They go fast.

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S3: Ferrari But we wanted more. We were left wanting more.

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S2: But yeah I was, I was also surprised that he's like,

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S2: he's gone back. He's, he's like dove straight back into

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S2: another Italian accented film after House of Gucci was like,

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S2: Let's be honest, a complete fucking debacle. That film. Yeah.

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S1: Not a good film.

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S2: No. It was like they all just, like, ran into

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S2: the wig closet and then just, like, ran back out.

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S2: But yeah, it looks interesting. Like, yeah, I love driver

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S2: Penelope Cruz anything, and Shailene Woodley is great. So.

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S1: You know, movies like Heat, they're really made for you,

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S1: Heat and Thief, they're right up your alley. How do

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S1: you feel about Michael Mann and Ferrari?

446
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S3: I mean, I'm looking forward to it. Bigger big Formula

447
00:19:26,660 --> 00:19:30,379
S3: One fan these days. Um, I think it looks good.

448
00:19:30,380 --> 00:19:32,960
S3: I mean, it looks like it's obviously much more about the,

449
00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,270
S3: the kind of personal side of things than the car racing.

450
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:36,980
S3: So I'll go and see this one.

451
00:19:38,180 --> 00:19:39,710
S1: The lost one. She would not.

452
00:19:39,710 --> 00:19:42,740
S4: See the film. This is a very simple response.

453
00:19:43,070 --> 00:19:45,740
S1: The last film we're going to talk about sorry, I

454
00:19:45,740 --> 00:19:48,350
S1: should have said that Ferrari comes out November 30th. This

455
00:19:48,350 --> 00:19:51,170
S1: movie comes out a week earlier. We mentioned it at

456
00:19:51,170 --> 00:19:53,870
S1: the top of the conversation. Ridley Scott is back with

457
00:19:53,869 --> 00:19:59,119
S1: another historical epic. This time it's Joaquin Phoenix playing Napoleon.

458
00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,280
S1: Kind of weird that we haven't had a big epic

459
00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,280
S1: Napoleon movie before. I just feels like we would have

460
00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,280
S1: had like ten of these in the 80s and the 90s.

461
00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,520
S1: It looks like good. It looks like pretty standard, sort of.

462
00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,850
S1: Ridley Scott Joaquin Fair Gladiator sort of vibes. It seems

463
00:20:13,850 --> 00:20:17,630
S1: to focus a lot on his relationship with Josephine and,

464
00:20:17,630 --> 00:20:19,940
S1: you know, some of the issues that they had while

465
00:20:19,940 --> 00:20:22,910
S1: he was like conquering and then struggling with the the

466
00:20:22,910 --> 00:20:25,700
S1: weight of the crown of the French empire. I think

467
00:20:25,700 --> 00:20:28,609
S1: this is probably like an Oscar movie. They'll probably be

468
00:20:28,609 --> 00:20:32,270
S1: conversations about Joaquin in that best actor role.

469
00:20:32,270 --> 00:20:35,030
S3: Yeah, you like kind of you crushed it earlier on

470
00:20:35,030 --> 00:20:36,710
S3: when you said I would be excited about this one.

471
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:39,200
S3: I think it looks so, so good. And I think

472
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,450
S3: the kind of scenes of the eve of the French

473
00:20:41,450 --> 00:20:45,920
S3: Revolution party I love kind of like 18th, 19th century

474
00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,100
S3: party scenes where everyone's in costume getting drunk. I think

475
00:20:49,100 --> 00:20:51,950
S3: it looks really fun and will be an epic.

476
00:20:52,730 --> 00:20:55,280
S2: Yeah, I mean, Ridley Scott has such a speed, doesn't he?

477
00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,500
S2: And I mean, I'm like a big whacking fan. I

478
00:20:57,500 --> 00:20:59,540
S2: think he really makes a bad film.

479
00:20:59,540 --> 00:21:01,220
S1: Well, it's funny, we mentioned House of Gucci. Like that

480
00:21:01,220 --> 00:21:03,470
S1: was Ridley as well. That was like a rare miss

481
00:21:03,470 --> 00:21:04,070
S1: from him.

482
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:07,700
S2: Yeah, that was actually. But then like I rewatched Gladiator

483
00:21:07,700 --> 00:21:09,800
S2: maybe like a month ago, that is such a good

484
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,550
S2: movie and Joaquin is so menacing in it. And I mean,

485
00:21:13,550 --> 00:21:14,659
S2: we all know he's had like a bit of a

486
00:21:14,660 --> 00:21:16,880
S2: weird journey. But yeah, I think he'll be perfect in this.

487
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,129
S2: And even in the trailer, he seems like so charming.

488
00:21:19,130 --> 00:21:21,320
S2: And I guess, you know, as we all obviously big

489
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:25,160
S2: Napoleon heads, no, he was quite the charming man. And

490
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,010
S2: as he ascertained his way to the throne and became

491
00:21:28,010 --> 00:21:29,810
S2: Emperor of France.

492
00:21:29,810 --> 00:21:32,659
S1: And unlike Jacob Elordi, he was not six foot five.

493
00:21:32,930 --> 00:21:33,800
S2: No, he was like.

494
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:34,490
S3: How tall was he?

495
00:21:34,490 --> 00:21:35,990
S2: 65cm.

496
00:21:36,650 --> 00:21:38,689
S1: Well, apparently people say that the thing about him being

497
00:21:38,690 --> 00:21:41,810
S1: short is like it was like English propaganda to make

498
00:21:41,810 --> 00:21:43,730
S1: the English feel like, well, we're going to get conquered

499
00:21:43,730 --> 00:21:45,920
S1: by this, like, short bloke, like, this is outrageous. Let's

500
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,770
S1: go and fight this war or whatever. That's, that's what

501
00:21:48,770 --> 00:21:49,880
S1: I've heard, at least like.

502
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:50,840
S2: Trump with the tiny hand.

503
00:21:51,500 --> 00:21:55,400
S3: Exactly like Trump. Apparently he was 1.68m. So not that

504
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:56,240
S3: taller than me.

505
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,820
S1: Yeah. There you go. Not that tall, though.

506
00:21:59,180 --> 00:22:02,419
S3: Not not as tall as Jacob Elordi. Definitely not.

507
00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:15,080
S1: Okay, so that's quite a list of pretty, pretty good

508
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:19,070
S1: movies to watch before Christmas time. I'm going to hand

509
00:22:19,070 --> 00:22:22,700
S1: the baton over to you, Thomas, my TV guy. Talk

510
00:22:22,700 --> 00:22:25,880
S1: us through what is around the corner in TV land.

511
00:22:26,210 --> 00:22:28,639
S2: Yes. Well, look, it's interesting time in TV land, obviously,

512
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,870
S2: because the strike feels like stuff is kind of disappearing

513
00:22:32,869 --> 00:22:35,780
S2: from the schedule or getting pushed back. You know, over

514
00:22:35,780 --> 00:22:39,290
S2: in the US, they're talking about this winter of discontent.

515
00:22:39,290 --> 00:22:41,660
S2: But I'm here to talk about the spring of discontent.

516
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,350
S4: Oh, oh, oh.

517
00:22:45,380 --> 00:22:46,669
S3: How long had you just thought.

518
00:22:46,670 --> 00:22:47,790
S2: About when we came in? And I've been.

519
00:22:48,140 --> 00:22:49,670
S4: Really just that. Wow.

520
00:22:50,180 --> 00:22:50,750
S2: We can cut that.

521
00:22:50,750 --> 00:22:53,780
S1: Anyway, so that's the breakout clip we're going to put

522
00:22:53,780 --> 00:22:54,619
S1: up on TikTok. Yeah.

523
00:22:54,890 --> 00:22:57,109
S2: I was actually pretty proud of it. But no, there

524
00:22:57,109 --> 00:22:58,790
S2: actually are some good shows. Like I do feel like

525
00:22:58,790 --> 00:23:00,410
S2: you have to look for them. There's some pretty exciting

526
00:23:00,410 --> 00:23:02,690
S2: stuff coming up, including some homegrown ones. So the first

527
00:23:02,690 --> 00:23:05,090
S2: one we'll start with is very timely as it begins

528
00:23:05,090 --> 00:23:09,260
S2: today on ABC iView. Now that's star struck from Rose Matafeo,

529
00:23:09,260 --> 00:23:11,780
S2: the New Zealand comedian. So this is the third and

530
00:23:11,780 --> 00:23:14,869
S2: final season. Now, look, obviously, as I always say with

531
00:23:14,869 --> 00:23:16,370
S2: these types of shows, if you haven't seen the first

532
00:23:16,369 --> 00:23:18,889
S2: two seasons, especially with this one, go and watch it.

533
00:23:18,890 --> 00:23:20,270
S2: It is so funny. I'm pretty sure you guys are

534
00:23:20,270 --> 00:23:21,140
S2: both across.

535
00:23:21,140 --> 00:23:22,970
S1: I'm across how good it is. I've not seen it though,

536
00:23:22,970 --> 00:23:25,129
S1: but I know that us critics like love it. Like

537
00:23:25,130 --> 00:23:26,720
S1: some of the critics I respect the most say it's

538
00:23:26,900 --> 00:23:28,610
S1: one of the best shows of the last couple of years.

539
00:23:28,609 --> 00:23:30,560
S3: I agree. It is so good and the seasons aren't

540
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,109
S3: particularly long either after this episode, so you can watch

541
00:23:33,109 --> 00:23:34,690
S3: it kind of in a week or two. Yeah.

542
00:23:34,690 --> 00:23:36,530
S2: And she's a big, you know, all the kind of like,

543
00:23:36,530 --> 00:23:39,200
S2: like Vulture and like all the websites in the States. Like,

544
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,419
S2: absolutely Love Rose. She's she's blowing up off the back

545
00:23:41,420 --> 00:23:43,970
S2: of this show basically. I guess the premise of the

546
00:23:43,970 --> 00:23:46,490
S2: show is that on New Year's Eve, she has a

547
00:23:46,490 --> 00:23:47,959
S2: one night stand with someone who turns out to be

548
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,719
S2: a very famous actor and the first two seasons kind

549
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,090
S2: of follow their relationship. We have a time jump in

550
00:23:53,090 --> 00:23:55,760
S2: season three so they jump forward two years and like,

551
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,710
S2: I won't give away too much, but you know, like

552
00:23:57,710 --> 00:23:59,660
S2: the thing I really like about starstruck is it's very

553
00:23:59,660 --> 00:24:02,990
S2: much a romantic comedy. Even what's happening in season three is,

554
00:24:02,990 --> 00:24:05,990
S2: you know, like the main character is 33. Her friends

555
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:08,510
S2: are kind of like getting married, having kids. This is

556
00:24:08,510 --> 00:24:10,669
S2: all stuff we've seen a million times before. But Rose

557
00:24:10,670 --> 00:24:13,430
S2: is such a clever writer. She's so good at like

558
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:16,700
S2: absolutely packaging up those real life moments and putting them

559
00:24:16,910 --> 00:24:19,430
S2: on screen. So even though it's ground we've seen before,

560
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:22,159
S2: the show is very, very funny. That starts on Wednesday

561
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,439
S2: on ABC. I think you guys would both love it.

562
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,780
S1: Yeah, it's a good time to catch up. Awesome. Good shot.

563
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,369
S2: So that's one I think that's worth talking about. Now.

564
00:24:29,369 --> 00:24:31,949
S2: This is another one coming from Australia. So this arrives

565
00:24:31,950 --> 00:24:34,770
S2: September 28th on Stan. I think we've all been discussing

566
00:24:34,770 --> 00:24:37,800
S2: it a bit. So it's called the New Kick Gary series.

567
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,140
S1: But it's like sort of spelt like Mash where there's

568
00:24:40,140 --> 00:24:43,530
S1: like an asterisks between each letter, which is interesting.

569
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,420
S2: It's funny, this show has been like in the works

570
00:24:45,420 --> 00:24:47,820
S2: for a while because pretty early on they were basically like,

571
00:24:47,820 --> 00:24:49,920
S2: Sean Penn is going to be in this Australian show,

572
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,320
S2: which is a great way to like send an email

573
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,300
S2: to a writer, Oh my God, Sean Penn is going

574
00:24:54,300 --> 00:24:55,409
S2: to be an Australian. Oh, worked for you.

575
00:24:55,410 --> 00:24:56,700
S1: You've written like ten stories about.

576
00:24:56,700 --> 00:24:58,890
S2: It, correct? I was like, I love Sean Penn. Like,

577
00:24:58,890 --> 00:25:00,750
S2: I get the feeling Sean Penn's like, not in it

578
00:25:00,750 --> 00:25:04,080
S2: a whole lot. They've also since added Susan Sarandon to

579
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,990
S2: the cast, so it's like pretty stacked, but basically it's

580
00:25:06,990 --> 00:25:10,859
S2: mostly an Australian cast. We've got Brian Brown, Travis Fimmel,

581
00:25:10,859 --> 00:25:14,640
S2: Lincoln Nunez, Alexander Englund, Ben O'Toole, your boy, Faisal Baz's

582
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,700
S2: in it. Rebecca Breeds. And basically it's kind of like

583
00:25:17,700 --> 00:25:21,870
S2: a it's like a wartime drama, but really it's like

584
00:25:21,869 --> 00:25:22,920
S2: a comedy.

585
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,780
S3: Have you seen any of the previews for I haven't.

586
00:25:24,780 --> 00:25:26,700
S2: Seen the previews yet, but I know what the first

587
00:25:26,700 --> 00:25:28,890
S2: episode is about. Essentially, it's like these guys, can you can.

588
00:25:28,890 --> 00:25:31,770
S1: You read out this description you've written? Because it sounds insane.

589
00:25:31,770 --> 00:25:33,600
S1: I would love you to read this out, please.

590
00:25:34,140 --> 00:25:36,929
S2: After the Australian Minister of Defence takes a secret file

591
00:25:36,930 --> 00:25:40,169
S2: to the Princess of Behati Prinsloo, a small island nation,

592
00:25:40,170 --> 00:25:42,780
S2: he sends four Australian soldiers into the war torn country

593
00:25:42,780 --> 00:25:46,050
S2: on a secret mission to retrieve the file mistaken for Americans.

594
00:25:46,050 --> 00:25:48,119
S2: They are captured by freedom fighters and produce a hostage

595
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,479
S2: video that goes viral. When the soldiers reach celebrity status

596
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,120
S2: on social media, they realize that being caught might just

597
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:55,710
S2: be the best thing that could have happened to them.

598
00:25:55,710 --> 00:25:57,629
S2: They're about to make search history.

599
00:25:57,810 --> 00:26:00,690
S3: Yeah, I'm not sure about this one. There's been so

600
00:26:00,690 --> 00:26:02,940
S3: much hype. I watched the trailer. I think it could

601
00:26:02,940 --> 00:26:06,960
S3: be either really fantastic or just not work at all. Like,

602
00:26:07,050 --> 00:26:09,540
S3: can't quite pick which way it's going to go yet. Like,

603
00:26:09,540 --> 00:26:11,040
S3: it seems very over the top, I think.

604
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:12,750
S2: I think it's like shamelessly over the top and it's

605
00:26:12,750 --> 00:26:14,850
S2: going to be a bit like, I mean, the perfect

606
00:26:14,850 --> 00:26:16,619
S2: example is that they're dropping all episodes in one, so

607
00:26:16,619 --> 00:26:18,300
S2: they don't expect you to wait around for this. It's

608
00:26:18,300 --> 00:26:21,389
S2: like smash it out. It'll be quite funny. Yeah, very

609
00:26:21,390 --> 00:26:22,290
S2: big cast.

610
00:26:22,290 --> 00:26:24,240
S3: They're hoping you'll be caught by it straight away.

611
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:24,990
S2: Exactly.

612
00:26:24,990 --> 00:26:27,570
S1: It looks fun. It's nice to see like, interesting out

613
00:26:27,570 --> 00:26:30,840
S1: of the box. Australian productions trying to take some swings.

614
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,220
S1: I'm looking forward to this one.

615
00:26:32,220 --> 00:26:34,050
S2: Yes. So that's one that I think is worth checking

616
00:26:34,050 --> 00:26:36,690
S2: out now. The next one I want to talk about

617
00:26:36,690 --> 00:26:40,200
S2: has a lot of buzz now. And to me this,

618
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,630
S2: if I said to you both without looking, who were

619
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:45,630
S2: the four major supermodels of the 90s, could you tell

620
00:26:45,630 --> 00:26:46,350
S2: me off the top of your head?

621
00:26:46,980 --> 00:26:49,680
S3: Naomi Campbell Correct. Cindy Crawford.

622
00:26:50,690 --> 00:26:51,530
S2: Correct.

623
00:26:52,010 --> 00:26:53,420
S1: They're the two that I would say.

624
00:26:53,690 --> 00:26:55,790
S3: As I put Kate Moss on there. But I think

625
00:26:55,790 --> 00:26:57,110
S3: I know where you're going with this and I don't

626
00:26:57,109 --> 00:26:59,690
S3: think she's in it. I guess she's not. Maybe she's

627
00:26:59,690 --> 00:27:00,500
S3: a supermodel.

628
00:27:00,890 --> 00:27:02,900
S2: Yeah, she is, but she's not one of the four.

629
00:27:02,900 --> 00:27:05,810
S2: So this is like this is evangelist stuff. Yes. Correct. Oh,

630
00:27:05,810 --> 00:27:06,619
S2: you're so close.

631
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,260
S1: I don't know. I can't think of the last one.

632
00:27:09,500 --> 00:27:11,120
S2: The last one is Christy Turlington.

633
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:11,659
S3: Oh, yeah.

634
00:27:11,930 --> 00:27:14,300
S2: So this series is coming to Apple on the 20th

635
00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:17,090
S2: of September. It's a four part Apple documentary. And basically,

636
00:27:17,090 --> 00:27:18,920
S2: so you know how these four women, they essentially like

637
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,980
S2: created the supermodel in like 80s and 90s. The supermodel,

638
00:27:21,980 --> 00:27:24,950
S2: as we know you know the construct now the the

639
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:29,540
S2: Victoria's Secret level like that insane cover of Vogue where.

640
00:27:29,540 --> 00:27:31,820
S3: They were more than models they kind of became public

641
00:27:31,820 --> 00:27:33,620
S3: figures and celebrities in their own rights.

642
00:27:33,619 --> 00:27:37,010
S2: Yeah and and became this kind of like commodity and

643
00:27:37,010 --> 00:27:40,159
S2: so essentially this series is like taking us back and

644
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,899
S2: it features like I think each episode is based on

645
00:27:41,900 --> 00:27:44,600
S2: one of the four and it features like first person

646
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,850
S2: interviews with all of them and talking about that era

647
00:27:46,850 --> 00:27:48,830
S2: kind of at the same time where, you know, magazines

648
00:27:48,830 --> 00:27:51,470
S2: and like Conde Nast was just basically running print media

649
00:27:51,470 --> 00:27:53,240
S2: over in New York. And it kind of looks at

650
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,340
S2: the rise of these women and how it was like

651
00:27:55,340 --> 00:27:58,639
S2: this perfect marriage in time of like their fashion and

652
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,310
S2: their look and the need we had for them. And then,

653
00:28:01,310 --> 00:28:03,380
S2: of course, it all comes kind of crashing down. So yeah,

654
00:28:03,380 --> 00:28:06,260
S2: I think like people love that type of stuff and

655
00:28:06,260 --> 00:28:08,450
S2: I've heard lots of good things, so I'm quite keen

656
00:28:08,450 --> 00:28:11,510
S2: for that one. If you guys are on board.

657
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:13,939
S3: Yeah, I am on board. I like anything reflecting on

658
00:28:13,940 --> 00:28:16,100
S3: the 90s and I think that all probably have pretty

659
00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:19,580
S3: interesting stories to tell. Hopefully. My only concern is that

660
00:28:19,580 --> 00:28:21,500
S3: I hope it's not too polish like I hope they

661
00:28:21,500 --> 00:28:23,230
S3: do get good stuff out.

662
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,880
S2: I think Naomi Campbell is famously she's a pretty she'll

663
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,109
S2: say whatever she wants to say.

664
00:28:27,109 --> 00:28:29,330
S1: I do. I do like this era like we saw

665
00:28:29,330 --> 00:28:33,139
S1: with the Britney stuff, like re interrogating, like what was

666
00:28:33,140 --> 00:28:36,050
S1: actually going on there. Like what it meant to be

667
00:28:36,050 --> 00:28:39,590
S1: a woman in this ecosystem of like intense pressure, of

668
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:42,440
S1: intense exploitation or whatever. I think if the show, you know,

669
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,840
S1: goes into that and like it's Apple TV, I think,

670
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,780
S1: which like makes pretty good high quality stuff in this space,

671
00:28:47,780 --> 00:28:51,500
S1: it's not the kind of like more trashy Netflix documentary style.

672
00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:53,930
S1: I think it could be pretty sharp. Yeah.

673
00:28:53,930 --> 00:28:56,060
S2: Yes, That's one I think that's worth keeping an eye on.

674
00:28:56,060 --> 00:28:59,630
S2: And then now this. This one's coming mid-October.

675
00:28:59,630 --> 00:29:00,710
S1: Oh, hang on. Thomas. Thomas.

676
00:29:01,510 --> 00:29:03,220
S5: I hear the blues are calling.

677
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:04,630
S2: Keep going. Keep going.

678
00:29:04,660 --> 00:29:08,760
S1: So salad and scrambled eggs. They're calling again.

679
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,720
S4: Well, do we have.

680
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,630
S3: To sing on every podcast from now on?

681
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:14,860
S4: Look.

682
00:29:16,170 --> 00:29:16,890
S1: And I've said.

683
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,930
S2: The phrase The Frasier reboot arrives on Paramount+ October 12th.

684
00:29:22,410 --> 00:29:24,690
S1: Ali discovered this like a week ago. I did not

685
00:29:24,690 --> 00:29:26,910
S1: realize this was in the works. I'd missed this totally.

686
00:29:26,910 --> 00:29:31,260
S2: Yes. So it's been 30 years since Frasier and Niles

687
00:29:31,260 --> 00:29:34,590
S2: and the rest of the Crane family flew off our screens.

688
00:29:34,590 --> 00:29:37,530
S2: And like I loved Frasier, I told Osbourne a story

689
00:29:37,530 --> 00:29:39,810
S2: on the weekend about. Do you remember this? Do you

690
00:29:39,810 --> 00:29:42,000
S2: remember this about my. Well, I didn't tell it. My

691
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,110
S2: brother taped over our family memories on VHS so you

692
00:29:46,110 --> 00:29:49,440
S2: could take the Frasier Marathon on TV, one on Foxtel.

693
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:50,910
S2: We were a big Frasier family.

694
00:29:50,910 --> 00:29:52,710
S1: This is how TV used to work, by the way,

695
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:54,510
S1: in the olden days. So people listening to this, you

696
00:29:54,510 --> 00:29:58,080
S1: didn't have everything on streaming. You had to watch cable

697
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,969
S1: networks that just had marathons and you have to get

698
00:29:59,970 --> 00:30:02,600
S1: a little VHS tape that had Thomas growing up, you know,

699
00:30:02,610 --> 00:30:05,520
S1: from the edges of 1 to 14 and you'd tape

700
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,020
S1: over it. That was the only way you could watch

701
00:30:07,020 --> 00:30:08,460
S1: iconic shows like Frasier.

702
00:30:08,700 --> 00:30:11,520
S2: And so like my lost years, especially 8 to 14,

703
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,440
S2: when I was straight killing it, I just had.

704
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,710
S3: Those blonde tips you're always telling us about the show necklace, correct?

705
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:17,310
S3: All gone.

706
00:30:17,310 --> 00:30:20,830
S2: A party shirt? Yeah. So anyway, Frasier's back like, you know,

707
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,190
S2: it's got the most Emmy wins for comedy series ever.

708
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:25,800
S2: It's like Frasier is untouchable in the TV landscape. It's

709
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,590
S2: up there with, like, Seinfeld and Mad About You and

710
00:30:28,590 --> 00:30:30,750
S2: Sex and the City is those, like, iconic series. I mean,

711
00:30:30,750 --> 00:30:33,120
S2: we've seen what like, a reboot has done to the

712
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,490
S2: Sex and the City brand with and just like that,

713
00:30:35,490 --> 00:30:38,250
S2: which I would say on the whole possibly not a

714
00:30:38,250 --> 00:30:41,180
S2: positive thing. And I think the thing about Frasier, it's

715
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:43,690
S2: got even more kind of like original cred than Sex

716
00:30:43,690 --> 00:30:46,110
S2: and the City. Like people really love the show and

717
00:30:46,110 --> 00:30:48,420
S2: I just don't know what this is going to be like.

718
00:30:48,420 --> 00:30:51,630
S2: The kind of logline for the show is radio psychiatrist

719
00:30:51,630 --> 00:30:54,610
S2: Frasier Crane has moved the action from Seattle to Boston.

720
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:56,820
S2: He's living in an Ivy League campus and, like, has

721
00:30:56,820 --> 00:30:59,520
S2: a reunion with his college dropout son, Freddie. So he's

722
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,160
S2: no longer on the radio like taking audience calls as

723
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,240
S2: a psychiatrist, Kelsey Grammer as an actor and person has

724
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,250
S2: also become a bit of a strange cat.

725
00:31:08,250 --> 00:31:10,650
S1: Yeah, he's like a super Republican. I was pretty right

726
00:31:10,650 --> 00:31:11,340
S1: wing guy.

727
00:31:11,340 --> 00:31:12,030
S4: Yeah.

728
00:31:12,030 --> 00:31:15,030
S2: And like, he and also, he's just like his private life.

729
00:31:15,030 --> 00:31:17,050
S2: There's a lot going on there. I just don't know. And,

730
00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:19,050
S2: you know, like, Niles has not come back for the show.

731
00:31:19,170 --> 00:31:20,340
S1: Niles is not in the show.

732
00:31:20,340 --> 00:31:23,940
S2: No. So, like, there's a few things. A few, like

733
00:31:23,940 --> 00:31:25,620
S2: ducks in a row that make me think, oh, I

734
00:31:25,620 --> 00:31:27,630
S2: wonder if Paramount's just funded this because they know it'll

735
00:31:27,630 --> 00:31:29,550
S2: be a hit, but it's going to be a stinker.

736
00:31:29,550 --> 00:31:31,200
S2: But yeah, anyway, that's back in October 12th.

737
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,580
S3: It will be interesting to see because in some way

738
00:31:32,590 --> 00:31:35,640
S3: Sex in the City was easier to bring today than Frasier,

739
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,040
S3: which had like a laugh track or a live audience.

740
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,760
S3: Sitcoms like that aren't really a thing anymore, so it

741
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,220
S3: will be interesting to see how they kind of managed

742
00:31:44,220 --> 00:31:46,980
S3: to keep the charm of the original but make it

743
00:31:46,980 --> 00:31:48,660
S3: relevant to a new audience. Yeah.

744
00:31:48,660 --> 00:31:51,090
S1: My least controversial prediction of this episode will be this

745
00:31:51,090 --> 00:31:53,640
S1: show will suck and it will totally tank. I just

746
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,160
S1: can't see how it could work for all those reasons

747
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,480
S1: you guys just described.

748
00:31:57,810 --> 00:32:01,560
S2: Yeah, yeah, I have low expectations also, but you know.

749
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,090
S3: But at least we got to sing the song.

750
00:32:03,690 --> 00:32:04,080
S1: I got to sing.

751
00:32:04,170 --> 00:32:06,060
S2: Great theme song though. It was a great theme song.

752
00:32:06,060 --> 00:32:08,040
S1: And Thomas, your last show was one that you are

753
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,780
S1: actually watching, like you've seen this one. You can tell

754
00:32:09,780 --> 00:32:10,050
S1: us about it.

755
00:32:10,050 --> 00:32:12,840
S2: Yes. Yes. I'm also halfway through this one. Very, very good.

756
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,729
S2: And I didn't really think I would like it. So

757
00:32:14,730 --> 00:32:17,160
S2: it's all the light we cannot see which arrives November

758
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,800
S2: two on Netflix. Of course, that's the best selling. Here

759
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,450
S2: we go. Mill one for you. Best selling.

760
00:32:21,450 --> 00:32:22,260
S4: Book. This is.

761
00:32:22,260 --> 00:32:23,070
S3: My Turf.

762
00:32:23,070 --> 00:32:28,170
S2: Yes. By Anthony Doerr, Anthony Dore, the best selling book

763
00:32:28,170 --> 00:32:31,050
S2: by Anthony Dua, sold 50 million copies. Essentially, it's like

764
00:32:31,050 --> 00:32:33,720
S2: a World War two novel set in a small kind

765
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,020
S2: of French town. It follows this kind of unusual friendship

766
00:32:37,020 --> 00:32:39,630
S2: between a blind girl that's living in the town. As

767
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,610
S2: the Americans are doing their bombing, raiding, and the war

768
00:32:41,610 --> 00:32:44,790
S2: is wrapping up. And a young Nazi soldier who's like

769
00:32:44,790 --> 00:32:47,280
S2: a radio expert and they kind of have this friendship,

770
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,290
S2: I turned it on because there wasn't much on it

771
00:32:49,290 --> 00:32:53,100
S2: was in my like, Netflix media preview slot. And I

772
00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:54,990
S2: clicked on it and had Mark Ruffalo, which is basically

773
00:32:54,990 --> 00:32:58,290
S2: enough to get me to watch anything. Yeah. And yeah,

774
00:32:58,290 --> 00:33:00,870
S2: first three episodes like really, really into it. Mark Ruffalo

775
00:33:00,870 --> 00:33:03,630
S2: is amazing. It's also got Hugh Laurie in a really

776
00:33:03,630 --> 00:33:06,210
S2: unusual role and I'm always here for him. But anyway,

777
00:33:06,210 --> 00:33:07,950
S2: this this one's really good and it's kind of like

778
00:33:07,950 --> 00:33:10,830
S2: it is your typical Netflix. Like it's almost got that

779
00:33:10,830 --> 00:33:13,560
S2: Emily in Paris effect where like you see like these

780
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,750
S2: small Parisian towns in the war, but everything looks like

781
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:16,200
S2: it's set.

782
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,020
S3: It looks very melodramatic and there's a lot of sweeping

783
00:33:19,020 --> 00:33:21,610
S3: kind of drone shots which worry it isn't.

784
00:33:21,630 --> 00:33:24,690
S2: Like it's not a gritty World War two drama, but

785
00:33:24,690 --> 00:33:25,980
S2: it's it's quite like a.

786
00:33:25,980 --> 00:33:28,770
S3: Lot of strings in the Sound Nice Watch soundtrack. Yeah,

787
00:33:28,770 --> 00:33:29,310
S3: I got it.

788
00:33:29,310 --> 00:33:31,440
S2: But it's worth checking out. So that's November 2nd on Netflix.

789
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,640
S1: Thanks for doing that.

790
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,530
S2: Digging. Oh, sorry. There's one more and I have to

791
00:33:34,530 --> 00:33:35,850
S2: get this in because I think it could be one

792
00:33:35,850 --> 00:33:37,620
S2: of the best shows of the latter half of the year.

793
00:33:37,620 --> 00:33:40,410
S2: That's The Changeling that comes on Apple TV on Friday.

794
00:33:40,410 --> 00:33:42,570
S2: The first three apps drop all at once. This one

795
00:33:42,570 --> 00:33:45,180
S2: is like big Osmond Farooqui Vibes, so it's directed by

796
00:33:45,180 --> 00:33:48,300
S2: Melina Matsoukas. You know her? Yeah, she's Greek. She directed

797
00:33:48,300 --> 00:33:52,410
S2: the formation videos and she did Queen Slim, which was

798
00:33:52,410 --> 00:33:55,470
S2: like a great film. This is like a very unsettling

799
00:33:55,470 --> 00:33:57,840
S2: kind of like horror. It starts as like a really

800
00:33:58,020 --> 00:34:00,180
S2: these like meet cute, these guy and girl meet in

801
00:34:00,180 --> 00:34:02,940
S2: a library and then it quickly becomes this like really

802
00:34:02,940 --> 00:34:05,489
S2: fucked up love story. I don't want to give too

803
00:34:05,490 --> 00:34:09,480
S2: much away but basically, like if you like Beyonce videos

804
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,970
S2: or you've seen Queen and Slim or you like Horrors

805
00:34:11,969 --> 00:34:14,550
S2: set in New York, watch the changes in Friday, 8th

806
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:15,240
S2: September on Apple.

807
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:17,140
S3: This looks so good. Next to my list.

808
00:34:17,260 --> 00:34:20,380
S1: Apple TV is like eating this spring. There's a lot

809
00:34:20,380 --> 00:34:21,070
S1: of good I was going to say.

810
00:34:21,070 --> 00:34:23,320
S2: A lot of apple like. Yeah overrepresented.

811
00:34:23,739 --> 00:34:26,860
S1: Okay. And Mel, you've been annoying me the entire time

812
00:34:26,860 --> 00:34:30,480
S1: we've had this podcast to talk about literature. I know

813
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,469
S1: what I'm saying. This like I hate books, I love books.

814
00:34:32,469 --> 00:34:35,140
S1: I read many of them. You know, one thing I

815
00:34:35,140 --> 00:34:37,930
S1: do think about books, though, I find them hard to

816
00:34:37,930 --> 00:34:41,500
S1: talk about with other people because they're not visual. You

817
00:34:41,500 --> 00:34:43,419
S1: can't really describe certain bits. And it's hard to talk

818
00:34:43,420 --> 00:34:48,340
S1: about like out loud the quality of writing. I think

819
00:34:48,340 --> 00:34:52,930
S1: without people who haven't read it, sort of getting, you know, bored.

820
00:34:52,930 --> 00:34:57,040
S1: But this is your challenge. This is your little backdoor

821
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,610
S1: pilot for a book podcast. Talk to us about some

822
00:35:00,610 --> 00:35:03,640
S1: of the big book releases coming out internationally and in

823
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,920
S1: Australia and why we should care about it and make

824
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,070
S1: it as exciting and as engaging and as enthralling as

825
00:35:09,070 --> 00:35:09,970
S1: you can go.

826
00:35:09,969 --> 00:35:11,140
S3: Oh my God, the French.

827
00:35:11,230 --> 00:35:13,330
S2: Country, Thousands of people hit pause on This.

828
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,560
S3: Is absolutely on everyone review this podcast and say, You

829
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,810
S3: want five stars and you want more book content. Let's

830
00:35:19,810 --> 00:35:20,529
S3: make this happen.

831
00:35:20,540 --> 00:35:21,400
S2: Loving that book content.

832
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,300
S3: Meg Okay. I also Thomas, I think has a bit

833
00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:28,060
S3: of a beanies bonnet as a published author.

834
00:35:28,060 --> 00:35:31,060
S2: Yeah, the only published author on this podcast. Thank you very.

835
00:35:31,060 --> 00:35:32,950
S3: Much. I have to say, Thomas has Thomas write a

836
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:34,930
S3: book of essays a few years ago.

837
00:35:34,930 --> 00:35:35,860
S2: Essays is generous.

838
00:35:35,980 --> 00:35:38,830
S3: I haven't fully got round to reading them all yet,

839
00:35:38,830 --> 00:35:41,469
S3: so every birthday Thomas will give me a new copy

840
00:35:41,469 --> 00:35:43,029
S3: of the book, but.

841
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:45,820
S2: It is still actually available online and.

842
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,790
S3: Maybe we'll review it. I will also flag that I've

843
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:50,680
S3: been told to cut this down. I had less books

844
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,419
S3: than TV, but anyway, here we go.

845
00:35:52,420 --> 00:35:54,219
S1: You had like 15 books. You had more books than

846
00:35:54,219 --> 00:35:55,870
S1: we had television shows and movies.

847
00:35:55,870 --> 00:35:58,989
S3: I know that people need a book podcast. Anyway, let's

848
00:35:59,110 --> 00:36:01,719
S3: start with Zadie Smith. Are you guys fans or.

849
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,850
S1: I'm a big fan of Zadie Smith, not just her books,

850
00:36:03,850 --> 00:36:05,770
S1: but I got to see us speak at a festival

851
00:36:05,770 --> 00:36:07,060
S1: in Melbourne a couple of years ago. It was one

852
00:36:07,060 --> 00:36:09,009
S1: of the best talks at a writers festival I've ever seen.

853
00:36:09,010 --> 00:36:12,219
S1: She is amazing. So you're off to a good start.

854
00:36:12,430 --> 00:36:14,080
S3: Okay, good. Thomas Well, yes.

855
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,240
S2: She opened the Sydney Writers Festival this year. We went together.

856
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,400
S2: That was before we started going to films together and

857
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,440
S2: she was amazing. She was my favorite speaker, along with

858
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,210
S2: Ben Lau, who we obviously know and love. But yes,

859
00:36:22,210 --> 00:36:22,810
S2: I'm excited.

860
00:36:22,810 --> 00:36:25,990
S3: Friend of the pod. Yes. She has a new book,

861
00:36:25,989 --> 00:36:28,900
S3: The Fraud. It's coming out on September 13th now. It's

862
00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:32,200
S3: been seven years since she released her last novel. Obviously,

863
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,210
S3: she kind of rose to prominence off the back of

864
00:36:34,210 --> 00:36:36,940
S3: white teeth in 2000 when she was very young. She's

865
00:36:36,940 --> 00:36:38,650
S3: written quite a few novels since, but she's taken a

866
00:36:38,650 --> 00:36:40,510
S3: bit of a break and now she's back. And this

867
00:36:40,510 --> 00:36:43,989
S3: is her first foray into historical fiction. At least that's

868
00:36:43,989 --> 00:36:46,270
S3: how they're billing it, because we know that history is

869
00:36:46,270 --> 00:36:49,779
S3: always very present in her novels. This one is set

870
00:36:49,780 --> 00:36:52,719
S3: in the 1870s, and it's based on the real life

871
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,509
S3: trial of a man who claimed to be the heir

872
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:58,450
S3: to the Roger Tishman empire. So it was this kind

873
00:36:58,450 --> 00:37:02,140
S3: of huge case in the Victorian era about this man.

874
00:37:02,140 --> 00:37:05,080
S3: Was he a baronet? Was he a butcher? Who knows?

875
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,900
S3: And that was what the trial was about. So her

876
00:37:07,900 --> 00:37:10,509
S3: story is told through the eyes of a Scottish housekeeper

877
00:37:10,510 --> 00:37:12,819
S3: who becomes obsessed with this trial. And in particular, one

878
00:37:12,820 --> 00:37:16,600
S3: of the main witnesses, Andrew Bogle, who grew up enslaved

879
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,240
S3: in Jamaica. So, I mean, even if that kind of

880
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,420
S3: historical setup doesn't get you I have read this and

881
00:37:22,420 --> 00:37:24,850
S3: it's just so well done. And I think it is

882
00:37:24,850 --> 00:37:26,530
S3: her at her height of her powers, the.

883
00:37:26,530 --> 00:37:28,600
S1: Historical set up totally got me that sounded really great.

884
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,850
S1: And White Teeth is one of my favorite books ever.

885
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:31,779
S1: This sounds really good.

886
00:37:31,780 --> 00:37:33,940
S2: Yeah, I was going to say that seven years is

887
00:37:33,940 --> 00:37:35,610
S2: a very long time. Do you reckon it was at

888
00:37:35,630 --> 00:37:38,380
S2: like a like a head noise thing that she was like,

889
00:37:38,380 --> 00:37:39,820
S2: Oh God, I can't back it up? Or was it

890
00:37:39,820 --> 00:37:40,450
S2: just like.

891
00:37:40,450 --> 00:37:43,209
S3: Well, she did short stories and she did. She wrote

892
00:37:43,210 --> 00:37:45,040
S3: a play and she was over living in the US

893
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,440
S3: and did essays as well? I think so. No, I

894
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,239
S3: think she is one of those others that just takes

895
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,640
S3: a fair amount of time between books and yeah, this

896
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,850
S3: is like this has the links to the present are

897
00:37:54,850 --> 00:38:00,250
S3: so obvious and they're not overworked. It's kind of about power, celebrity, money, class.

898
00:38:00,250 --> 00:38:03,310
S3: It's a ripper of a raid. And we'll come back

899
00:38:03,310 --> 00:38:04,540
S3: and discuss how you felt about it.

900
00:38:04,540 --> 00:38:05,560
S4: Thomas Look forward to it.

901
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,060
S1: And it's out like next week.

902
00:38:07,300 --> 00:38:09,140
S3: It is. It is out on Instagram.

903
00:38:09,140 --> 00:38:10,140
S2: And will cover. Is it going to be one of

904
00:38:10,140 --> 00:38:11,740
S2: those books that I see like suddenly on all the

905
00:38:11,739 --> 00:38:13,660
S2: different like little chicks I follow? Yeah, yeah.

906
00:38:13,660 --> 00:38:15,330
S3: It's like bright and sparkly. Tell us more about all

907
00:38:15,340 --> 00:38:16,300
S3: the magpie.

908
00:38:17,650 --> 00:38:18,460
S4: That's separate pod.

909
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,250
S1: What else have you got for Continue?

910
00:38:21,250 --> 00:38:23,950
S3: Okay, continue on. Okay, here we go. Here's one I

911
00:38:23,950 --> 00:38:27,370
S3: think you guys will get excited about. Britney Spears has

912
00:38:27,370 --> 00:38:30,790
S3: a memoir coming out, The Woman in Me, October 24th.

913
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:34,359
S3: She was reportedly paid $15 million for the Tell-all, which

914
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,630
S3: is one of the biggest deals of all time behind

915
00:38:37,630 --> 00:38:38,549
S3: the Obamas.

916
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,390
S1: How's that compared to yours, Thomas?

917
00:38:41,380 --> 00:38:43,779
S4: It's it's you probably papering.

918
00:38:43,780 --> 00:38:45,670
S2: In the tax brackets. It's not that different.

919
00:38:47,390 --> 00:38:48,910
S4: Yeah, I'm still waiting.

920
00:38:49,690 --> 00:38:51,760
S2: I ended up making a lot on the back end

921
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:52,540
S2: of my. Please buy it.

922
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,160
S3: I can't believe you have turned this book section by, like,

923
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,509
S3: one moment into a promotion. Yes. I think this is

924
00:39:01,510 --> 00:39:03,550
S3: going to be great. Obviously, Britney's a lot in the

925
00:39:03,550 --> 00:39:06,190
S3: news at the moment. She promises to cover her fame,

926
00:39:06,190 --> 00:39:09,910
S3: her mental health crisis, the conservatorship, the Freebritney movement. The

927
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:13,660
S3: publishers call it a brave and astonishingly moving story. Can't

928
00:39:13,660 --> 00:39:15,870
S3: tell if there's a ghostwriter involved yet.

929
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,319
S2: I mean, I think if you go on her Instagram,

930
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:17,830
S2: you can tell.

931
00:39:17,830 --> 00:39:20,049
S1: Yeah, there's the ghostwriter involved. Mel, sorry to break it.

932
00:39:20,050 --> 00:39:21,640
S2: To you, but do you guys also think, like all

933
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,890
S2: jokes aside, I think there's been a lot of chat

934
00:39:23,890 --> 00:39:27,120
S2: about Britney, like post conservatorship and like how she's like

935
00:39:27,130 --> 00:39:29,230
S2: she's obviously her marriage is just broken down or her

936
00:39:29,230 --> 00:39:31,420
S2: engagement or whatever. And like, obviously, we don't know what's

937
00:39:31,420 --> 00:39:33,490
S2: going on, but like seeing her on social media and

938
00:39:33,489 --> 00:39:36,640
S2: how she acts like. Could potentially be seen as like

939
00:39:36,660 --> 00:39:39,629
S2: a little bit alarming or troubling, Like, do you think

940
00:39:39,630 --> 00:39:41,460
S2: this book now coming out and she's probably have to

941
00:39:41,460 --> 00:39:43,410
S2: do a wave of publicity around it like do you

942
00:39:43,410 --> 00:39:46,109
S2: think this is just like you guys concerned?

943
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,919
S3: I honestly think if she just removed her eye makeup better, a.

944
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,000
S4: Lot of the.

945
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,150
S3: Concerns would be mitigated. I actually don't. Yeah, it's a

946
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:56,850
S3: good question. And I don't know if she'll do publicity

947
00:39:56,850 --> 00:39:57,720
S3: around this.

948
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,620
S1: I think the one thing about a book is like theoretically,

949
00:40:01,620 --> 00:40:04,260
S1: like she has agency over it, like she gets to

950
00:40:04,260 --> 00:40:06,629
S1: decide and, you know, she's making a bag and like,

951
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:08,669
S1: fair enough, good on her. But I do feel like

952
00:40:09,060 --> 00:40:12,779
S1: since Harry's spare, I don't know if you've seen a

953
00:40:12,780 --> 00:40:14,279
S1: book like this, and I think it'll be the same

954
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,650
S1: sort of thing where people will, like take photos of

955
00:40:16,650 --> 00:40:18,870
S1: the pages and sections of it will go viral. It'll

956
00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:21,240
S1: be interesting to see whether she like Harry, like reads

957
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,210
S1: the audiobook version. Like, that'd be pretty interesting. Like I

958
00:40:24,210 --> 00:40:26,489
S1: think people might want to listen to that, but she

959
00:40:26,489 --> 00:40:28,589
S1: might also just say, That's a lot of work. Someone

960
00:40:28,590 --> 00:40:29,220
S1: else can do it.

961
00:40:29,489 --> 00:40:32,250
S3: Yeah, it'll be it will. The story of this story

962
00:40:32,250 --> 00:40:34,709
S3: I think, is pretty interesting. There hasn't been much. Yeah.

963
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,500
S3: About how the deal was made, who brokered it for her,

964
00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:40,170
S3: The kind of ghostwriting or the process. It will be

965
00:40:40,170 --> 00:40:42,629
S3: interesting to find that out. And it's been under lock

966
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:44,700
S3: and key. Like we probably won't get it till the

967
00:40:44,700 --> 00:40:47,220
S3: day of the release. So yeah, highly anticipated.

968
00:40:47,340 --> 00:40:50,310
S2: Yeah. Actually I'm like, I will definitely either read the

969
00:40:50,310 --> 00:40:52,800
S2: book or like read those, you know, like five things

970
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,410
S2: you must Know from the Britney Spears biography.

971
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,360
S3: Maybe we'll even write that story.

972
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:58,259
S4: Perhaps I will.

973
00:40:58,950 --> 00:41:01,649
S1: Okay, so what about closer to home? Any any good

974
00:41:01,650 --> 00:41:04,620
S1: old fashioned Aussie books that we should be keeping our

975
00:41:04,620 --> 00:41:06,509
S1: eye open to?

976
00:41:06,510 --> 00:41:09,660
S3: Yeah, absolutely. So there's heaps because they all kind of

977
00:41:09,660 --> 00:41:11,489
S3: get released around this time of the year or during

978
00:41:11,489 --> 00:41:14,609
S3: spring in the lead up to Christmas sales, which is

979
00:41:14,610 --> 00:41:17,850
S3: the big moment for books apart from Father's Day. And

980
00:41:17,850 --> 00:41:19,380
S3: obviously this is a brief list.

981
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,310
S4: But it's just taking ten minutes to get through it.

982
00:41:24,660 --> 00:41:28,410
S1: If you stopped talking about like the meta narrative around

983
00:41:28,410 --> 00:41:30,180
S1: this list, just talk about the books. We probably could

984
00:41:30,180 --> 00:41:31,650
S1: have squeezed in more books.

985
00:41:31,710 --> 00:41:34,080
S4: Now, that's funny thing about Christmas.

986
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,530
S2: And Father's Day, I was actually still talking. She's like.

987
00:41:38,460 --> 00:41:43,110
S3: You're allowed to just you're allowed to stutter on. Okay.

988
00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:47,140
S3: One of the favorites that I have read already, Charlotte Wood. Sonya,

989
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:47,790
S3: you don't have.

990
00:41:47,790 --> 00:41:48,480
S1: To talk quickly.

991
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:49,169
S4: Now. That's not.

992
00:41:50,489 --> 00:41:51,750
S1: Okay. We're keeping all of this in.

993
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:54,110
S4: By the way, this. No. Yes.

994
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:55,860
S3: This is my dress, Rose.

995
00:41:55,860 --> 00:41:56,790
S4: So am I.

996
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,990
S3: Yeah. Charlotte Wood. We know her from the natural way

997
00:42:00,989 --> 00:42:03,989
S3: of things. Which one? The stellar prize. And also from

998
00:42:03,989 --> 00:42:07,050
S3: the Weekend, which was her latest book. I like that. Yeah,

999
00:42:07,050 --> 00:42:08,790
S3: that was a very kind of. That was much more

1000
00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:11,069
S3: commercial book for her about kind of three women in

1001
00:42:11,070 --> 00:42:14,550
S3: their 70s reuniting this new one stone yard devotional out

1002
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:18,480
S3: October 3rd is really restrained. It's a really interesting setup.

1003
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,029
S3: It's about a woman who abandons her life as an

1004
00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:24,239
S3: environmental activist in Sydney, and she seeks refuge in a

1005
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,090
S3: community of nuns who live in a rural community where

1006
00:42:27,090 --> 00:42:31,440
S3: she grew up. And, you know, it's very quiet and

1007
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,500
S3: it's the rhythms of monastic life, and they're kind of

1008
00:42:34,650 --> 00:42:38,370
S3: unsettled by there's this mouse plague, there's an unexpected visitor.

1009
00:42:38,370 --> 00:42:40,980
S3: There's the repatriation of a former nuns body. So in

1010
00:42:40,980 --> 00:42:42,780
S3: one part it's very quiet. But there's all this kind

1011
00:42:42,780 --> 00:42:46,950
S3: of settlement just below the surface. It's a really interesting read.

1012
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:48,840
S3: I'm speaking to her next week for Spectrum, so it'll

1013
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,270
S3: be interesting to hear the story behind it because it

1014
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:53,880
S3: does feel like a kind of different work from her.

1015
00:42:54,030 --> 00:42:54,930
S1: Yeah, interesting.

1016
00:42:54,930 --> 00:42:57,150
S3: Yeah, nice. And then I'll pick out a debut, which

1017
00:42:57,150 --> 00:43:00,509
S3: is another Australian debut, The Modern by Anna Kate Blair,

1018
00:43:00,510 --> 00:43:03,660
S3: which is out in September. I think we've talked before

1019
00:43:03,660 --> 00:43:05,970
S3: about how there's quite a lot of are being named

1020
00:43:05,969 --> 00:43:08,430
S3: sad girl novels out at the moment, which I'm always

1021
00:43:08,430 --> 00:43:10,410
S3: kind of I say in quotation marks because I'm hesitant

1022
00:43:10,410 --> 00:43:13,800
S3: to kind of like dismiss this whole kind of portion

1023
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,710
S3: of people writing work because it's so easy to dismiss

1024
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:18,270
S3: young women in their feelings. But I.

1025
00:43:18,270 --> 00:43:19,169
S1: Mean, I wish it was easy.

1026
00:43:19,170 --> 00:43:20,600
S4: To exhibit things out.

1027
00:43:20,610 --> 00:43:23,160
S3: Here. Anyway, this.

1028
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:23,730
S4: One.

1029
00:43:24,510 --> 00:43:28,770
S3: This one stands apart. It's really interesting. It kind of

1030
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,770
S3: is about a woman who works in an art gallery

1031
00:43:31,770 --> 00:43:35,280
S3: and she has been proposed to her by her boyfriend

1032
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,370
S3: and she's trying to understand what marriage means to her

1033
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,680
S3: or what it means to her identity through the frame

1034
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,080
S3: of the art that she's working with. So it's just

1035
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,760
S3: kind of a really unique book and not kind of

1036
00:43:45,780 --> 00:43:48,390
S3: one that I've encountered before. So yeah.

1037
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:49,770
S2: You gave me this one a while ago and it's

1038
00:43:49,770 --> 00:43:52,710
S2: sitting on my bedside table. Yes, I love the cover.

1039
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:55,380
S2: The cover is really cool. And I do think not

1040
00:43:55,380 --> 00:43:56,850
S2: to go back to this, but I do think it

1041
00:43:56,850 --> 00:43:58,950
S2: will be one that, like you do see on social

1042
00:43:58,950 --> 00:44:01,110
S2: media because it looks really cool. Like it's kind of

1043
00:44:01,110 --> 00:44:03,509
S2: got like a bit of a Sally Rooney type vibe

1044
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:05,460
S2: to it. So that's like next on my list.

1045
00:44:05,460 --> 00:44:07,650
S3: Yeah, yeah, do it. I love writing books about art.

1046
00:44:07,650 --> 00:44:10,200
S3: So this hit a lot of boxes for me. Yes.

1047
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,360
S2: So because I love the Museum of Modern Art by

1048
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,299
S2: Heather Rose about that Marina Abramovic like weird exhibition. There's

1049
00:44:15,300 --> 00:44:17,219
S2: just something about, I think, an art gallery that lends

1050
00:44:17,219 --> 00:44:19,770
S2: itself to the novel framework and that you can kind

1051
00:44:19,770 --> 00:44:21,209
S2: of go in and out and I can always like

1052
00:44:21,210 --> 00:44:23,520
S2: muse on the art where I'm using about their feelings,

1053
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,080
S2: and it just works really well. So I'm very excited

1054
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:25,739
S2: for this one.

1055
00:44:25,950 --> 00:44:28,080
S1: Ten out of ten. Mel, well done. I don't think

1056
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:29,969
S1: that'll be the last time we talk about books on

1057
00:44:29,969 --> 00:44:30,450
S1: the show.

1058
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:32,010
S4: No, I'm not.

1059
00:44:32,010 --> 00:44:32,940
S2: Yeah, probably this year.

1060
00:44:33,060 --> 00:44:33,780
S4: Oh, well, it won't be the last.

1061
00:44:33,780 --> 00:44:34,650
S3: Time we're talking about Thomas.

1062
00:44:35,210 --> 00:44:35,900
S4: That's all.

1063
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,570
S1: And you've got another category to step us through music.

1064
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,080
S1: We dedicated all of last week to country music, which

1065
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,690
S1: was a lot of fun. But you've got a few

1066
00:44:47,690 --> 00:44:51,200
S1: other big records coming up that you think are worth

1067
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,660
S1: people being across. Talk us through.

1068
00:44:53,660 --> 00:44:56,870
S3: Them. I mean, we've got a highlight. Olivia Rodrigo's guts

1069
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:59,129
S3: out September 8th. Are you guys fans?

1070
00:44:59,150 --> 00:45:02,660
S1: I'm a huge fan. I loved that first record. I

1071
00:45:02,660 --> 00:45:04,970
S1: love Vampire That I think, which is the first single

1072
00:45:04,969 --> 00:45:07,430
S1: from this one. And bad idea, right? Like, I I'm

1073
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:10,070
S1: really into Olivia Rodrigo. And I think the fact that

1074
00:45:10,070 --> 00:45:13,430
S1: she like is doing a sophomore follow up so soon

1075
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:16,580
S1: that actually sounds fun and interesting and like an evolution

1076
00:45:16,580 --> 00:45:19,009
S1: is really exciting. This is a really good show.

1077
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,200
S3: Yeah, I can't wait. I put that idea right is

1078
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,290
S3: so fun. Vampire kind of really kicks you in the guts.

1079
00:45:25,950 --> 00:45:30,299
UU: Are used to think I was smart. But you made

1080
00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:39,950
UU: me look so nice. See? It took me.

1081
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:48,759
S6: It's sucker fame fucker. Let me try like a goddamn vampire.

1082
00:45:48,910 --> 00:45:51,820
S3: I find her music so fun. Like I just love

1083
00:45:51,820 --> 00:45:54,669
S3: the Gen Z kind of vibe of it. I love

1084
00:45:54,670 --> 00:45:57,730
S3: that she's talking about driver's license in Deja Vu from

1085
00:45:57,730 --> 00:45:59,620
S3: This is from her Sour album. There's a song where

1086
00:45:59,620 --> 00:46:02,590
S3: she's like, You're the one who showed her Billy Joel

1087
00:46:02,590 --> 00:46:05,169
S3: and taught her how to sing Uptown Girl. Like I

1088
00:46:05,170 --> 00:46:08,170
S3: just I love the references and the kind of big

1089
00:46:08,170 --> 00:46:11,190
S3: feelings condensed into this pop rock language.

1090
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:13,540
S1: You go so hard, man. Just just like an anthem.

1091
00:46:13,540 --> 00:46:14,020
S4: Yeah.

1092
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,990
S3: And also, there's obviously a lot of kind of scandals

1093
00:46:16,989 --> 00:46:19,900
S3: externally to her as well at the moment with news

1094
00:46:19,900 --> 00:46:23,170
S3: of a rift between Olivia and Taylor over claims of

1095
00:46:23,170 --> 00:46:25,480
S3: plagiarism and copyright, I do think.

1096
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,029
S2: Taylor would be like probably not worried about anyone in

1097
00:46:28,030 --> 00:46:30,190
S2: the current pop landscape, but definitely keeping an eye on

1098
00:46:30,190 --> 00:46:34,420
S2: someone like Olivia Rodrigo because they're very similar and Olivia

1099
00:46:34,420 --> 00:46:37,210
S2: seems to have that like the edge that Taylor maybe has.

1100
00:46:37,210 --> 00:46:39,790
S2: Like Taylor's kind of like smoothened out a bit. She's

1101
00:46:39,790 --> 00:46:41,770
S2: not got that same, you know, like she's, she's the

1102
00:46:41,770 --> 00:46:43,779
S2: world's biggest pop star. She doesn't need to have that

1103
00:46:43,780 --> 00:46:46,209
S2: same excitement about her. But whereas, like, Olivia maybe has

1104
00:46:46,210 --> 00:46:48,700
S2: what Taylor used, like I can I can imagine she's

1105
00:46:48,700 --> 00:46:49,630
S2: a bit worried about Olivia.

1106
00:46:49,630 --> 00:46:52,330
S1: Rodrigo I think it's really disappointing. You guys are pitting

1107
00:46:52,330 --> 00:46:55,750
S1: young women in the music community against each other. But

1108
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:58,180
S1: I do think on that point, Mel, about the plagiarism claims,

1109
00:46:58,690 --> 00:47:00,399
S1: I think a little bit of that has been like

1110
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,940
S1: over egged, like there was this dispute on sour. From

1111
00:47:03,940 --> 00:47:07,810
S1: what I understand, it was resolved pretty amicably. But to

1112
00:47:07,810 --> 00:47:09,790
S1: your point. Thomas Yeah, I mean, I don't think and

1113
00:47:09,790 --> 00:47:12,340
S1: I think Olivia's not quite there yet, but she's this

1114
00:47:12,340 --> 00:47:15,100
S1: kind of blend between Taylor and Billie Eilish, like she

1115
00:47:15,100 --> 00:47:19,870
S1: could take the throne. I think she's got the ingredients

1116
00:47:19,870 --> 00:47:21,969
S1: to really do it. So I think she I think

1117
00:47:21,969 --> 00:47:23,830
S1: this album is one to watch because if it's good,

1118
00:47:23,830 --> 00:47:26,290
S1: if it's as good as sour and as popular and

1119
00:47:26,290 --> 00:47:28,719
S1: as critically acclaimed, like there's no reason why in ten

1120
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,200
S1: years time Olivia Rodrigo isn't selling out huge stadiums around

1121
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:32,620
S1: the world.

1122
00:47:32,620 --> 00:47:34,390
S3: Yeah, absolutely. I kind of think she would probably be

1123
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:37,270
S3: able to do it now anyway. The other artist also

1124
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:40,870
S3: falling into the kind of pop category, Troye Sivan has

1125
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:43,270
S3: got something to give each other. October 13. Now, you

1126
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:45,400
S3: may remember him from the Idol.

1127
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,770
S1: He was the other good bit of that show. He

1128
00:47:47,770 --> 00:47:48,399
S1: was good in.

1129
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:49,210
S4: The idol, apart from.

1130
00:47:49,210 --> 00:47:50,620
S3: When he was like colored and shocked.

1131
00:47:50,620 --> 00:47:52,690
S2: I didn't. I think in terms of like how he

1132
00:47:52,690 --> 00:47:54,400
S2: came out of it, he had pretty good acting chops,

1133
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:54,850
S2: I thought.

1134
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,190
S3: Yeah. And it was actually that that got me more

1135
00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:59,410
S3: interested in him. I've never been heaps into his music.

1136
00:47:59,410 --> 00:48:01,630
S2: It was definitely the best musician acting in that show.

1137
00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:05,950
S3: Yeah, that's very fair. Brutal to the weekend.

1138
00:48:05,950 --> 00:48:06,750
S4: But yeah.

1139
00:48:06,820 --> 00:48:07,600
S2: Like it's a no.

1140
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,610
S3: Brainer. Yeah, I've never. I don't know about you guys.

1141
00:48:09,610 --> 00:48:12,340
S3: Never been heaps into his music like my, my my

1142
00:48:12,340 --> 00:48:15,700
S3: and Bloom from his earlier album kind of didn't excite

1143
00:48:15,700 --> 00:48:16,089
S3: me much.

1144
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,040
S1: Are you a fan of Rush, like the first single?

1145
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,390
S3: I am a fan of Rush.

1146
00:48:19,390 --> 00:48:20,620
S4: I feel the rush.

1147
00:48:21,370 --> 00:48:28,700
UU: To rush into other for. So good of you.

1148
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:31,969
S1: Why would you sing Now Podcast?

1149
00:48:32,100 --> 00:48:32,590
S4: Not only do.

1150
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,640
S3: I think Ross shows a level of sophistication that he

1151
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,529
S3: hasn't shown before. I also heard him being interviewed on

1152
00:48:38,530 --> 00:48:40,990
S3: Dua Lipa's podcast and he was talking about all how

1153
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,810
S3: he's in his clubbing era. And so I think this

1154
00:48:43,810 --> 00:48:46,090
S3: album sounds like it's going to be a lot of fun.

1155
00:48:46,540 --> 00:48:49,299
S1: And you know, one bit of Goss I heard around

1156
00:48:49,300 --> 00:48:53,020
S1: the traps is that the single Rush and the album

1157
00:48:53,020 --> 00:48:55,960
S1: were supposed to come out a little bit earlier, and

1158
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,719
S1: the idea was they were hoping that the Idol and

1159
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,480
S1: Troy like that would be a big thing. And people like, Oh,

1160
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,790
S1: you like this show? You like Troye Sivan will go

1161
00:49:03,790 --> 00:49:07,149
S1: by and stream his album and the negative reaction to

1162
00:49:07,150 --> 00:49:11,140
S1: the show pushed things down the track a little bit.

1163
00:49:11,140 --> 00:49:12,850
S1: So there's a little bit of gossip for you.

1164
00:49:12,850 --> 00:49:14,230
S2: Yeah, I think we spoke about at the time that

1165
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:16,120
S2: he because he's got like a crazy amount of Instagram

1166
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:20,260
S2: followers and he like really stopped posting about that show

1167
00:49:20,260 --> 00:49:23,830
S2: pretty early. Like beforehand it was all like massive hype

1168
00:49:23,830 --> 00:49:25,810
S2: post idol, blah, blah, blah like. And then as soon

1169
00:49:25,810 --> 00:49:28,180
S2: as maybe after the first episode, he just like, really

1170
00:49:28,180 --> 00:49:31,720
S2: noticeably stopped posting. Like, Yeah, it's funny how that works

1171
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,670
S2: because like once you get the feeling that the public

1172
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:36,219
S2: hates it, suddenly you're like, okay, I'll stop like flogging

1173
00:49:36,219 --> 00:49:38,469
S2: this on my Instagram. But yeah, I mean, we all

1174
00:49:38,469 --> 00:49:41,410
S2: love Troy and he's like homegrown talent. One of those

1175
00:49:41,410 --> 00:49:44,320
S2: Australian musicians who's like, doesn't really talk about being Australian

1176
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:45,520
S2: very much, which I respect.

1177
00:49:45,850 --> 00:49:47,239
S4: You know, lives in Melbourne.

1178
00:49:47,260 --> 00:49:48,040
S3: Is he taking you out?

1179
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,859
S1: Oz So he lives in Carlton in a very like

1180
00:49:50,860 --> 00:49:52,720
S1: everyone sort of knows where he lives. Ever since the

1181
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:57,070
S1: Architectural Digest video tour of his place and he gets

1182
00:49:57,070 --> 00:49:58,899
S1: coffee from like a hip coffee shop and he goes

1183
00:49:58,900 --> 00:50:01,689
S1: to like hip bars. I do believe that we have

1184
00:50:01,690 --> 00:50:05,980
S1: a big like, good weekend story coming up with Troye Sivan.

1185
00:50:05,980 --> 00:50:08,799
S1: I don't want to say more details because I don't

1186
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,630
S1: want to like jeopardise things and I'm not sure what

1187
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:13,509
S1: the embargoes are, but there is a big a big

1188
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:17,740
S1: project with Troy happening at our publication. So stay tuned.

1189
00:50:17,830 --> 00:50:20,290
S1: All right. With that, that was a great, great run

1190
00:50:20,290 --> 00:50:22,660
S1: through of some pretty amazing things to look forward to.

1191
00:50:22,660 --> 00:50:24,790
S1: It made me feel more excited and more positive about

1192
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:26,680
S1: the year. I think the strike, I think for us,

1193
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,660
S1: we report on it, we think about this stuff. It's

1194
00:50:28,660 --> 00:50:30,430
S1: easy to get kind of down and in the dumps

1195
00:50:30,430 --> 00:50:34,060
S1: when movies like June 2nd are delayed, but there's heaps

1196
00:50:34,060 --> 00:50:36,790
S1: to look forward to. Thank you, Thomas and Mel for

1197
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:38,589
S1: talking us all through it.

1198
00:50:38,590 --> 00:50:40,720
S2: Yeah, well, you know, it's over there. It's the winter

1199
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,190
S2: of discontent. But right now.

1200
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:43,840
S3: Spring has sprung.

1201
00:50:44,030 --> 00:50:45,609
S2: That's the spring of discontent.

1202
00:50:46,450 --> 00:50:48,610
S4: I was not going to say that.

1203
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,770
S1: This episode of The Drop was produced by Cheong. If

1204
00:50:55,770 --> 00:50:58,950
S1: you enjoyed listening to today's episode of The Drop, make

1205
00:50:58,950 --> 00:51:02,280
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1206
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,510
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1207
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,890
S1: I'm Osmond Fergie. See you next week.