WEBVTT - Why Albo needs to make a stand on machetes

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<v Speaker 1>Nine Podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Neil Mitchell. This is my view of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>But today I want to talk about a glimpse of

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<v Speaker 2>hope for the future. I want to talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>voting age. I want to talk about your safety. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to talk about Anthony Albernizi and his hangover. An

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<v Speaker 2>obvious hangover. And I've received a very well thought out

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<v Speaker 2>argument from a listener which I'll explain in the feedback

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<v Speaker 2>later which continues Neil dot Mitchell at nine dot com

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<v Speaker 2>dot au. First safety, let me just ask you about

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<v Speaker 2>several places around Australia. Let me put these in front

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<v Speaker 2>of you. Gawla, South Australia, Oyster Bay, New South Wales,

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<v Speaker 2>camp Hill, Queensland, Northland, Victoria. What unites them well? Each

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<v Speaker 2>has been the scene of appalling violence this year, usually

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<v Speaker 2>by young people carrying machetes. There have been various as

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<v Speaker 2>well over the past year, one in particular in Western Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>The point is that although Victoria is the center of

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<v Speaker 2>attention for machete attacks, and rightly so, this curse is

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<v Speaker 2>spreading and will spread. There has in recent years been

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<v Speaker 2>a quantum lip in the level of violence used by

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<v Speaker 2>young criminals and the weapons they carry. The brawl with

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<v Speaker 2>machetes at Northland shopping Center on the edge of Melbourne

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<v Speaker 2>was quite horrifying. A busy Sunday afternoon, family shopping areas,

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<v Speaker 2>young thugs attacking each other with these weapons. We're lucky

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<v Speaker 2>nobody was killed. This is the level of open violence

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<v Speaker 2>that we've got to police allege. What was happening was

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<v Speaker 2>a pre arranged brawl. Now imagine that if, as alleged,

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of young thugs arranged to meet with these

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<v Speaker 2>weapons and fight in a crowded shopping center. No, that's

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<v Speaker 2>not the first time. There have been frequent such incidents

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<v Speaker 2>and in fact killings in machetes in Victoria in recent years.

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<v Speaker 2>The north Owned experience prompted the Victorian government to bring

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<v Speaker 2>forward a ban on machetes. It was political window dressing.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a knee jerk. They were forced to it

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<v Speaker 2>so they appeared to be doing something. The policy is

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<v Speaker 2>badly organized, badly thought out. It is something that now

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<v Speaker 2>desperately needs federal involvement for several reasons. One, this type

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<v Speaker 2>of violence is spreading around the country with the machetes. Two,

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<v Speaker 2>what is the point in banning machetes in one state?

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<v Speaker 2>If you cross the road, cross the border, you can

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<v Speaker 2>buy another one. Three. It's complex. A ban like this

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<v Speaker 2>is no answer in itself. Four Today, as the man

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<v Speaker 2>kicked in throughout Victoria, I got online. I found I

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<v Speaker 2>could easily buy cut price, reduce price machetes at other

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<v Speaker 2>Australian states. They are offering cheap deals. The Albanezi government

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<v Speaker 2>needs to wake up from its orgy of self congratulation

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<v Speaker 2>at the election result and get into this as a priority.

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<v Speaker 2>States have got various ideas like searching people at any time,

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<v Speaker 2>anybody anytime with one of those metal detectors a Wand

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<v Speaker 2>what about locking up all knives in all shopping centers

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<v Speaker 2>so they can't be stolen. And if there's a ban,

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<v Speaker 2>it needs to be national. If there's a ban, that's

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<v Speaker 2>got to address into net sales. If there's a ban,

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<v Speaker 2>police must be given all the powers they want to

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<v Speaker 2>find and deal with people using machetes, broader search powers

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<v Speaker 2>that are probably essential, like wanding. As I said, you

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<v Speaker 2>can stop anybody anytime and run a wand over them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's dramatic, but we need dramatic. I've spoken to several

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<v Speaker 2>people who are widely experienced in this area. They believe

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<v Speaker 2>the ban is a waste of time. They say, you

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<v Speaker 2>can't ban every bread knife, which is almost as dangerous.

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<v Speaker 2>And one experienced person said to me, you don't think

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<v Speaker 2>armed robbers go to the shop to buy a legal

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<v Speaker 2>gun and then go out and hold people up. These

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<v Speaker 2>machetes are black market, they're stolen, they're not bought by

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<v Speaker 2>kids at the local shop. Now, okay, it's good to

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<v Speaker 2>reduce the number of machetes in the community. After all,

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<v Speaker 2>why do you need them in a suburban streep. It's

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<v Speaker 2>also true that when John Howard reduced the number of

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<v Speaker 2>firearms in the community, death by firearm drops significantly. But

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<v Speaker 2>if firearm's not the same, it's more deadly, it's less

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<v Speaker 2>broadly needed. This, like much of what's been happening in

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<v Speaker 2>Victoria the moment, it's a dog's breakfast. It's all over

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<v Speaker 2>the place. It needs sensible coordination. It needs that on

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<v Speaker 2>a national basis. They look around the country, bring the

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<v Speaker 2>ideas together, bring what's worked together, and implement it nationally.

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<v Speaker 2>It also needs to get to the base here of

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<v Speaker 2>who's using the weapons and why, address the problem before

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<v Speaker 2>it begins, and there needs to be tougher punishment if necessary,

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<v Speaker 2>although there's no indication that would work. And really, some

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<v Speaker 2>of these kids are released on bail regularly. The accused

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<v Speaker 2>people in the north Land atrocity, some of them are

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<v Speaker 2>on bail again within ours. Let's face it, some of

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<v Speaker 2>these younger are capable of trying to outrun police in

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<v Speaker 2>a stolen car. We've had fifteen year olds doing two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred kilometers an hour down public streets. If they're capable

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<v Speaker 2>of that, they've got no fear of punishment, They've got

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<v Speaker 2>no fear of consequences. Prime Minister, this is a crisis emerging.

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<v Speaker 2>People have already died. This needs broad federal intervention right

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<v Speaker 2>across the country. It needs more than the incompetent fiddling

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<v Speaker 2>which is the way of government in Victoria. This needs

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<v Speaker 2>fresh ideas, fresh legislation and a national approach, and it

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<v Speaker 2>needs it now now this pretty broad agreement. Australia's got

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<v Speaker 2>huge problems and a dysfunctional system of political management. I

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<v Speaker 2>found an answer, and in the process I also heard

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<v Speaker 2>something really really refreshing. I heard a person who was

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<v Speaker 2>once a political lobbyist telling me it is time to

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<v Speaker 2>change politics forever, and telling me further that much public

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<v Speaker 2>debate about everything has been polluted by an obsession with

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<v Speaker 2>climate change and the political dangers of climate change. She said, One,

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<v Speaker 2>if politicians are authentic and just told as it is

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<v Speaker 2>rather than spinning, the world would be a better place

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<v Speaker 2>and the electorate has sufficiently grown up to handle it. Second,

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<v Speaker 2>she said, climate change is real. Let's hear. There's no

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<v Speaker 2>point arguing about whether or not it's man may what

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<v Speaker 2>we should be doing. He's looking at how we cope

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<v Speaker 2>with it, how we protect people, how we help people,

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<v Speaker 2>how we make sure the country's got enough to eat.

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<v Speaker 2>These words came from a person called Emba Germano. She's

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<v Speaker 2>a third generation farmer in rural Victoria. She's of Italian

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<v Speaker 2>heritage and you can tell it. She's passionate about her

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<v Speaker 2>arguments and she loves farming. She's managing director of a

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<v Speaker 2>company called I Love Farms, which is basically the family farm.

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<v Speaker 2>And she was the first female president of the Victorian

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<v Speaker 2>Farmers Federation president for four years. Have listened to what

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<v Speaker 2>she has got to say. I interview her on my

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<v Speaker 2>podcast Neil Mitchell asks why which is available now in

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<v Speaker 2>the usual places. First of all, climate change, Emma Jamano

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<v Speaker 2>lives it. She's a farmer. She sees it, and she's

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<v Speaker 2>seeing drought at the moment, droughts so bad the rive

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<v Speaker 2>in fact been farmer suicides. She doesn't debate whether climate

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<v Speaker 2>change is man made or not. She debates than need

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<v Speaker 2>to cope with the floods and the droughts. This is

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<v Speaker 2>what she said.

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<v Speaker 1>Like anything, if humans use something and there is a

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<v Speaker 1>byproduct that is waste, we have to be conscious of

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<v Speaker 1>what happens with that waste. So we should just as

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<v Speaker 1>a matter of course, be trying to be more sustainable

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<v Speaker 1>all of the time. That's fine. I mean whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not you you know, you increase the you export your

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<v Speaker 1>emissions to other countries. Let's be frank, you import the

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<v Speaker 1>renewable energy stuff so that Australians can pay, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>triple and increasing prices for their energy, whether or not

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<v Speaker 1>that actually fixes climate change. I mean, you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to be a climate scientist to understand the economics of that.

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<v Speaker 1>So again, if we know that these events are happening

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<v Speaker 1>more often than what we think on average they should,

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<v Speaker 1>and when I say events, I mean fire like bushfires, floods, drought, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>then why are we not actually investing so much more

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<v Speaker 1>resource into resilience around that, whether that is ensuring that

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<v Speaker 1>a local community have the capacity to put out a

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<v Speaker 1>fire when one starts, whether that is making sure that

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<v Speaker 1>there are watering points infrastructure so if there is a drought,

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<v Speaker 1>that farmers have watering points that they can go to.

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<v Speaker 1>These are the things that we should be talking about

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<v Speaker 1>and investing in, but instead all we do is argue

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<v Speaker 1>about whether or not climate change is real, whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not we've gone too far.

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<v Speaker 2>All of that fair point. Emma Jemano also argues that

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<v Speaker 2>the spate of regional suicides are prompted not just by

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<v Speaker 2>the drought. She says the bush has been forgotten for years,

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<v Speaker 2>dodgy roads, poor health services, unfair to axation, and she

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<v Speaker 2>wants somebody to recognize that. Well, good luck more, but

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<v Speaker 2>she wants people to see the opportunities to do things

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<v Speaker 2>like sell more overseas to make our own food supply

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<v Speaker 2>more secure. She says, we're facing shortages of crucial foods

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<v Speaker 2>if we don't wake up. And this is where she

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<v Speaker 2>strikes a nerve. Politicians talk climate change because they are

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<v Speaker 2>wary of its political power. They focus on short term

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<v Speaker 2>problems and well offering expensive bribes rather than answers. Emma

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<v Speaker 2>Jemano believes they should just be feed income and if

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<v Speaker 2>they were, much more would be achieved. Not only could

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<v Speaker 2>the public handle the honesty, they would embrace it. This

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<v Speaker 2>is what she said.

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<v Speaker 1>People are often not frank, and we don't often know

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<v Speaker 1>what goes on behind closed doors. But my frustration is

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<v Speaker 1>that you might disagree with what I say, but you'll

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<v Speaker 1>respect me for saying the thing that I believe to

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<v Speaker 1>be true. I think authenticity is so unbelievably missing in

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<v Speaker 1>public leadership and in politic in Australia, and most Australians

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<v Speaker 1>why they don't care for all of the details they

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<v Speaker 1>can see. You know, Australians are so good at picking

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<v Speaker 1>bullshit and we need more people will who will say

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<v Speaker 1>the right thing irrespective of what the political costs might be,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think if we all started doing that then

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<v Speaker 1>we would get better outcomes rather than well, we'll say

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that won't cost us too many votes, or

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<v Speaker 1>will say the thing that will buy us the most votes,

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<v Speaker 1>and we get the answer wrong. You're on the high

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<v Speaker 1>way to nowhere. When that's the attitude.

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<v Speaker 2>She's right, you know she's right. I know she's right.

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<v Speaker 2>The politicians probably know she's right. What she doesn't see

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<v Speaker 2>is she could be the person to do it, and

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<v Speaker 2>s she says she might consider going into politics, probably

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<v Speaker 2>with the Liberal Party, possibly as an independent, which with

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<v Speaker 2>her outspoken, down to earth manner, would make her a

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<v Speaker 2>real attribute to public discussion. I reckon the public would

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<v Speaker 2>welcome it. I reckon the politicians would not. For the

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<v Speaker 2>sake of the country, I hope she makes the move

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<v Speaker 2>to politics for the sake of herself, for the sake

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<v Speaker 2>of the and she's a very likable person. I hope

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<v Speaker 2>she doesn't. I fear the system would crunch her, it

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<v Speaker 2>would disillusion her. With a few years, she'd be back

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<v Speaker 2>to digging potatoes, which I hasten to add she does

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<v Speaker 2>so very happily. She loves getting her hands dirty. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>just like to see her getting her hands dirty helping

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<v Speaker 2>what she says is still the best country in the world. Sometimes,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is such a time, I despair for the

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<v Speaker 2>discussions promoted by academics in this country. I just don't

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<v Speaker 2>get this one. Here's an example reported by the Australian

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<v Speaker 2>newspaper this week. Essentially, the argument is being put that

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<v Speaker 2>Australia is built on a myth and the public has

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<v Speaker 2>been brainwashed into making heroes of our soldiers, the newspaper says.

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<v Speaker 2>Professor clear Right from Victoria's Latrobe University says ANZAC history

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<v Speaker 2>and memorials have been intentionally promoted to create what she

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<v Speaker 2>calls a cult of forgetfulness. A cult of forgetfulness now,

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<v Speaker 2>according to the newspaper, she's described as brainwashing a campaign

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<v Speaker 2>to recognize the centenary of World War One. On the

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<v Speaker 2>other hand, she says, we have this cult of forgetfulness

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<v Speaker 2>about the way Australia was settled and what happens to

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<v Speaker 2>First Nations people. She points at spending by John Howard's

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<v Speaker 2>government on the centennial of World War One as part

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<v Speaker 2>of the brainwashing, and says the timing was cynical given

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<v Speaker 2>Australia was beginning military involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan. She

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<v Speaker 2>also wants this is underlying it wants greater recognition for

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<v Speaker 2>the frontier wars between white settlers and First Nations people

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<v Speaker 2>in this country. She says Australians have been trained to

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<v Speaker 2>remember only certain valor of certain soldiers in certain wars.

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<v Speaker 2>Now she got a bit of a point on the

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<v Speaker 2>frontier wars they're largely unrecognized. I mean, ask any school

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<v Speaker 2>kid about it, they probably wouldn't know. And that's wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Two thousand to five thousand European settlers died, the indigenous

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<v Speaker 2>toll was much higher. So big, No, he knows what

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<v Speaker 2>it was. It was a violent and at times disgraceful

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<v Speaker 2>part of our history and that should be recognized. But

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<v Speaker 2>there is no need to tear down what is a

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<v Speaker 2>very key part of our country in the process, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's our involvement and our actions in other wars. Beginning

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<v Speaker 2>at Gallipoli, extraordinary acts of bravery unfolded there, not from

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<v Speaker 2>professional soldiers but every citizens who went to war. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a myth. Heroism is often built around myth, and

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<v Speaker 2>there is a truth to the argument that this has

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<v Speaker 2>helped to define a country. A frontier wars should be

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<v Speaker 2>better understood and the War Memorial has started to do

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<v Speaker 2>that in the Galleries Gallippery and the acts of Australian

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<v Speaker 2>soldiers that any war should not be demeaned or undermined,

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<v Speaker 2>and to suggest some plot by John Howard and his

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<v Speaker 2>team to brainwash the people into forgetting the frontier wars

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<v Speaker 2>and recognize heroic acts in World War one, and to

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<v Speaker 2>use that to justify modern military action as a step

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<v Speaker 2>too far. I doubt any government would be so cynical

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<v Speaker 2>or disrespectful to those killed. There's a superb book called Gallipoli,

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<v Speaker 2>written by a good maid of mine, the late Le's Carline.

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<v Speaker 2>It is meticulously researched. It's a history book written like

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<v Speaker 2>a novel. It's accurate and Liz was a beautiful writer.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't overdramatize their heroism or create fake gods of war.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's one of the best selling books in Australian

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<v Speaker 2>history for good reason. I'm sure Professor Wright will have

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<v Speaker 2>read it. If not, she should. And one last point,

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<v Speaker 2>please remember this myth that she's talking about was based

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<v Speaker 2>on the death of thousands of people their relatives. Even now,

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<v Speaker 2>relatives from all wars still grieve those lives lost. These

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<v Speaker 2>words this approach has the potential to her A couple

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<v Speaker 2>of quick things I mentioned last week, why the far

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<v Speaker 2>sun folding in Victoria affects the whole country further proof

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<v Speaker 2>Victoria and just as background, Victoria's got twenty five point

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<v Speaker 2>six percent of the country's population. It's responsible for almost

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<v Speaker 2>one quarter of the economy. The country's economy today. The

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<v Speaker 2>head of Santos says Victoria does business like North Korea.

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<v Speaker 2>The head of the Business Council says its policies hold

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<v Speaker 2>back investment. Another leading business and says Victoria is in

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<v Speaker 2>recession while the rest of Australia is not. The West

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<v Speaker 2>Farmer's boss says it's hard to justify investment in Victoria.

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<v Speaker 2>The ANZ Bank says it's more expensive to do business

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<v Speaker 2>in Victoria than anywhere else. You put that together, crucial

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<v Speaker 2>part of the country, Victoria is on the ropes because

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<v Speaker 2>of inept government, overspending and an inability to see reality.

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<v Speaker 2>The Treasurer Jacqueline sion she can barely count. At times.

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<v Speaker 2>She sounds close to a literate so I said last week.

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<v Speaker 2>She jokes and laughs her way through this and doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>the disaster that's coming. Victoria's debt is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>close to two hundred billion dollars in a few years.

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<v Speaker 2>That will hold back the entire country. And when a

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<v Speaker 2>business leader like in Victoria to North Korea and says

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<v Speaker 2>the state is in recession and the rest of the

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<v Speaker 2>country is not, that should be ringing alarm bells loud

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<v Speaker 2>enough to wake even the hungover or Beenezi government. And

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<v Speaker 2>as I said, they still seem hung over. They had

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<v Speaker 2>a great victory, a massive opportunity. At the moment, they're

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<v Speaker 2>just not turning up. And I'll tell you what if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to focus the mind on this issue. A

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<v Speaker 2>poll for Saint Vincent de Paul says two out of

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<v Speaker 2>five Australians will be unable to afford to use the

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<v Speaker 2>heating this winter. Half the country says we'll be struggling

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<v Speaker 2>to pay bills through the winter. There's yet another focus

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<v Speaker 2>for Elbow. Now onto the feedback. Neil dot Mitchell at

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<v Speaker 2>nine dot com dot au. Remember anything you want to raise,

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<v Speaker 2>not just issues I've raised, any interview you want to suggest.

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<v Speaker 2>I was grizzling last week about grammatical errors that I

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<v Speaker 2>find real bugbears really get under my skint, like saying

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<v Speaker 2>should of instead of should have. Well, this one from Troy,

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<v Speaker 2>who wanted to share a couple of his One that

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<v Speaker 2>annoys him is unique. He says, I frequently hear people

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<v Speaker 2>say something is very unique. Unique means one of a kind,

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<v Speaker 2>there are no varying degrees, and he has a go

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<v Speaker 2>at meat. The number of times I hear you talk

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<v Speaker 2>about people losing demerit points when they commit a traffic offense.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't lose points when you commit a traffic offense,

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<v Speaker 2>you acquire them. Losing demerit points is a good thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's quite right. Then there's this from Costa and

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<v Speaker 2>this isn't something I've raised, but we might look at

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<v Speaker 2>in the future. From Costa, why shouldn't the age of

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<v Speaker 2>voting be adjusted to fifteen? Kids really don't have a say.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll give them some responsibility. They see more things than

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<v Speaker 2>adults do. Their input would be vital. I do notice

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<v Speaker 2>South Australia's elected a twenty one year old senator. I

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<v Speaker 2>think kid's probably a been too young to vote at fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, those at Adien don't seem to have a

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<v Speaker 2>great deal of interest in either to those well even

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<v Speaker 2>up to their fifties. Finally, from Lawrence, a very well argued,

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<v Speaker 2>lengthy message I can't read all about well. He wants

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<v Speaker 2>me to hold a future forum. It's a good idea,

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<v Speaker 2>a future forum. He's worried, but it gives me a

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<v Speaker 2>shopping list things he's worried about. He's worried about unfitted

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<v Speaker 2>spending by governments. He's worried about population, growth, about the zealotry,

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<v Speaker 2>around renewables, about growth in the public service, about inadequate defense,

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<v Speaker 2>about a more violent society which we were we were

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<v Speaker 2>just talking about, he says in part I won't go

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<v Speaker 2>through his whole argument. That's very good, He says, the

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<v Speaker 2>political class no longer runs the country on the basics,

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<v Speaker 2>but on a crusade. The financial whole will be enormous

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<v Speaker 2>in three years and worse in six probably the earliest

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<v Speaker 2>will see any chance of a change of government. Our

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<v Speaker 2>little country with vast wealth in the ground is a

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<v Speaker 2>great peril. Well put. Thank you, Lawrence. Wish I could

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<v Speaker 2>read all of it. And if you look at his

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<v Speaker 2>shopping lest you'd have to say, hang on, we've just

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<v Speaker 2>had a little election. Do that really achieve anything? The

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<v Speaker 2>answer is no, not on your nelly. Neil mitchellat nine

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<v Speaker 2>dot com dot you remember the podcast Neil Mitchell asks,

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<v Speaker 2>why is available now? Emma Jumano, the campaigning farmer. I

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<v Speaker 2>think you'll find her controversial but inspirational too. Next week,

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<v Speaker 2>Cheng Lai, the Chinese Australian woman locked up in Beijing

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<v Speaker 2>for years on trumped up charges. She has extraordinary insight

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<v Speaker 2>into where we're headed in our relationship with China. That's

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<v Speaker 2>next week. Neil Mitchell asks why in the usual places