Speaker 1: On two GB, four BC and network stations. This is
Speaker 1: our strainer overnight with Mike Jeffreys.
Speaker 2: Good morning, Welcome along. Plan is to be here for
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Speaker 2: program goes all over the place as well as on
Speaker 2: twogb dot com. What to talk about? What would you
Speaker 2: like to talk about the Middle East? I'm looking the
Speaker 2: front pages of Thin Review. It says world markets on
Speaker 2: war alert, Middle East conflict overshadows PM Trump's meeting White
Speaker 2: House threatens Iran oil price rise to fuel inflation. Ah,
Speaker 2: that's a such a classic, isn't it. You know how
Speaker 2: long has it been since we first said to the
Speaker 2: block of this, why is petrol so expensive? And he said,
Speaker 2: trouble in the Middle East night. When has there not
Speaker 2: been trouble in the Middle East? But then again, maybe
Speaker 2: this is more than the usual trouble. Time will tell.
Speaker 2: I've been talking to people who made an interesting point
Speaker 2: to me, which is that with what's happening between Israel
Speaker 2: and Iran, you look at some of the pinpoint strikes
Speaker 2: that Israel has been able to make. They're suggesting that
Speaker 2: there are people in Iran who aren't happy with the
Speaker 2: present regime, not in a position to overthrow themselves, but
Speaker 2: if the Israelis can do it, then they can give
Speaker 2: them a little helping hand by way of passing on
Speaker 2: useful classified information for example about where or key generals
Speaker 2: might be, or key nuclear scientists. They can just give
Speaker 2: them a bit of a hand there, because not everybody
Speaker 2: likes the sort of medieval barbarism that they get from
Speaker 2: the Ayatolla. Who would have thought, you know, you look
Speaker 2: at pictures of the women, for example, in Iran in
Speaker 2: the seventies, and you'd find them, you know, anywhere else, Brisbane, Sydney, California,
Speaker 2: name your place. But in the last few years there've
Speaker 2: been examples of young women, for example, not wearing the
Speaker 2: clothing that is dictated and I do mean dictated by
Speaker 2: the government, by the Ayatollah and his lot, and then
Speaker 2: going to jail and then dying in mysterious circumstances. You know,
Speaker 2: the government said, oh, she had a heart attack, but
Speaker 2: then other people said no, actually she was beaten to death.
Speaker 2: So not everybody's happy with that situation in Iran. So
Speaker 2: maybe they're giving the Israelis with the hand. What do
Speaker 2: you think and where's it going to end up? Well?
Speaker 2: Who knows. But in the meantime, the suggestion is we
Speaker 2: will get higher petrol prices, as we seem to do. Also,
Speaker 2: talking about the finn Review, there's a bit there. We're
Speaker 2: doing our bit. The Prime Minister tells Trump, how do
Speaker 2: you think that's going to go? You know, he'll get
Speaker 2: a bit of time supposedly with the Donald at the
Speaker 2: G seven. But Albo keeps talking, and I do mean
Speaker 2: keeps talking. You probably notice this yourself. He keeps saying,
Speaker 2: how we're you know, that is Australia great friends with
Speaker 2: the US? Will that carry the day with Trump? For example,
Speaker 2: when it comes to defense expenditure, I'm not so sure
Speaker 2: saying we're friends, particularly when you consider the position that
Speaker 2: this government has taken with well a couple of right
Speaker 2: wing politicians in Israel. The US aren't supporting that position,
Speaker 2: and I see pieces from commentators who say Albow might
Speaker 2: go down as the great appeaser, the Neville Chamberlain of
Speaker 2: his time, you know, appeasing China and all that. But anyway,
Speaker 2: as far as we are great friends, will Trump find
Speaker 2: that sufficient? I suspect not. I think he really will
Speaker 2: insist that Australia pay more by way of the amount
Speaker 2: of the GDP that actually goes to defense. Anyway, I'll
Speaker 2: put that to a G. Gankarski later this morning, but
Speaker 2: in the meantime, you may have a view. You're welcome
Speaker 2: to put it. I'm going to talk to Nick Hayes.
Speaker 2: He's from an organization called Media Stable. I'm going to
Speaker 2: talk to him later this morning about the death of
Speaker 2: the Political Panels show. Will You Miss It? Q and
Speaker 2: A is gone? The drum went before that. The project's
Speaker 2: just gone. I think they're dull, if only because they're
Speaker 2: more about pushing a particular barrow than producing any kind
Speaker 2: of decent, lively discussion by featuring people with different points
Speaker 2: of view. Maybe they're just out of date. I mean,
Speaker 2: why watch a panel of people agreeing with each other
Speaker 2: when you can get all the agreement you want from
Speaker 2: some social media silo. And speaking of groupthink, has anyone
Speaker 2: watched the ABC Media Watch lately? Now? I've only ever
Speaker 2: paid occasional attention to it. It's been a long time
Speaker 2: since I've worrited any attention from it. But wasn't it
Speaker 2: supposed to be a critique of how different media outlets
Speaker 2: covered the news? And you know, I would expect them
Speaker 2: to come up with things like, well, this mob run
Speaker 2: this story pretending it was news, but really it was
Speaker 2: just a pr release from somebody wanting to push a product,
Speaker 2: or a cause, or their business. Whatever it was. Anyway,
Speaker 2: group think. Yeah, Like I say, I haven't really made
Speaker 2: it my life's work to watch media Watch, but it
Speaker 2: has changed over the years. And now I have somebody
Speaker 2: named Linton Bess, who I'm told was a very successful
Speaker 2: print journal but maybe print is his thing. I've watched
Speaker 2: Linton squirming away in front of the camera offering his
Speaker 2: slanted summation of the events of the week. It's more
Speaker 2: like the week as seen by Linton. The kind of
Speaker 2: critique that it used to be. It's not criticism how
Speaker 2: the news has been covered by the other media, well occasionally,
Speaker 2: and I think it's a safety valve. Media Watch has
Speaker 2: been known to have a go at the ABC, but generally,
Speaker 2: speaking from what little I've watched it over the years,
Speaker 2: it's really there to confirm to the viewer that they've
Speaker 2: made the best of all possible choices by watching the ABC.
Speaker 2: But anyway, Linton's there and it's really like the week
Speaker 2: as Linton sees it. It doesn't seem to be what
Speaker 2: it was what it was originally it was known as
Speaker 2: this Is when the BBC had it, and the BBC
Speaker 2: really used to play up Media Watch. The guy that
Speaker 2: hosted it, for example, would go to somebody's office in
Speaker 2: the BBC responsible for particular program, take his camera crew,
Speaker 2: sit on the desk and say why are you doing this?
Speaker 2: People don't like it? But I've never actually seen that
Speaker 2: from the ABC. But it was referred to as disgusted
Speaker 2: of Tunbridge Wells, which was kind of a generic British
Speaker 2: term for a conservative viewer who was always unhappy with
Speaker 2: what he was seeing on his screen. Yeah, troubled in
Speaker 2: the Middle East, Well, yes, petrol will be more expensive
Speaker 2: according to the film review, we can hear that again
Speaker 2: speaking of women and the Middle East and contrasting opinions.
Speaker 2: I thought it was typical of those of her ilk
Speaker 2: that Greta Thunberg refused to watch the video of her
Speaker 2: mass attacking the young people at the music festival, because
Speaker 2: people like Greta, they just dismiss facts that might contradict
Speaker 2: their feelings. I remember years ago watching something on Fox.
Speaker 2: Whoopee Goldberg was talking to the then successful host below,
Speaker 2: and O'Reilly said to Whoopee, but Whoopy, that's not true.
Speaker 2: And Whoopy leaned over and put a hand on Bill's
Speaker 2: knee and said, but Bill, it's what I feel. Hm. Anyway,
Speaker 2: so great, it's not going to let anything interfere with
Speaker 2: her feelings. Closer to home, let me ask you, how
Speaker 2: are you treating your companion animals? Now? I asked this
Speaker 2: because I was driving by the seaside yesterday and you know,
Speaker 2: just looking at the beach and thinking about the world,
Speaker 2: and I saw a man on a skateboard with two
Speaker 2: large dogs. There were boxes, I think anyway, So there's
Speaker 2: the man with these two big dogs. One was trotting
Speaker 2: along beside the skateboard, but the other was riding on
Speaker 2: the skateboard with the man. Now, I would like to
Speaker 2: think that he alternates the dogs because it would only
Speaker 2: be fair. The same dog didn't always get to ride
Speaker 2: while the other one had to run. Don't you think
Speaker 2: TV panel shows facing extinction? To comment further on this,
Speaker 2: media commentator Managing Director of Media Stable, Nick Hays, Morning Neck,
Speaker 2: thanks for doing this.
Speaker 3: Good morning Mike.
Speaker 4: Good to be with you.
Speaker 2: Now. Q and A got asked although this is very ABC,
Speaker 2: it was actually picking up in the numbers, I believe,
Speaker 2: but got asked anyway, And Ten's decided to end the
Speaker 2: project and people have been predicting the end of ten
Speaker 2: for a very long time. The drum was given the chop.
Speaker 2: So the sports panel shows they're going great, but political
Speaker 2: discussion panel shows not so much. Why do you think
Speaker 2: are they too dull? What is it?
Speaker 3: I don't think necessarily it's dull. I think it's mainly
Speaker 3: come down to cost cost of putting programs together. Let's
Speaker 3: have a quick look at the project. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of paychecks that have to sit on that panel. You know,
Speaker 3: anything between four and sometimes five panel members on the project,
Speaker 3: and it's not cheap TV to do. When the project
Speaker 3: first kicked off, it was almost a spin off off
Speaker 3: the Panel Do you remember the Panel Market?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that was a ripper of a show that
Speaker 3: was a once a week show and it was a
Speaker 3: very sort of comedy, different look at news and a
Speaker 3: little bit of fun. A lot of show business around
Speaker 3: it as well. But when the project kicked off, it
Speaker 3: was a Monday to Friday then went on to Sunday.
Speaker 3: It was originally only used and filmed out of Melbourne
Speaker 3: now Melbourne and Sydney, and it just became a very
Speaker 3: costly program to put together. There's up to one hundred
Speaker 3: staff members that were involved in the project week by week,
Speaker 3: and fifty of them, as we know now, are going
Speaker 3: to lose their jobs and fifty of them will be
Speaker 3: moved around. It is just a costly program to put together.
Speaker 2: I tell you what I don't mind. I do seek
Speaker 2: it out on Channel ten and that's that show, The
Speaker 2: Cheap Seats. Have you seen that? I guess you have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have. I'm looking forward to hearing or seeing
Speaker 3: myself on there one day. No, it's a little bit
Speaker 3: of fun, it's a bit's comedy again, but I think
Speaker 3: sometimes it might be interesting to you from your listeners.
Speaker 3: I think that I've spoken to many people around the
Speaker 3: country around the sort of the fall of the panel
Speaker 3: shows is that they saw the projectors being in verta
Speaker 3: commerce two woke. A lot of them didn't like Wali Dali.
Speaker 3: They liked the sort of the former presenters that were there,
Speaker 3: the Charlie Pickerings that carried Big Moore's, the Dave Hughes's,
Speaker 3: the original format, but they tended to look at the
Speaker 3: show as being a little bit dealing with issues that
Speaker 3: were probably more firsts. They were probably to do with
Speaker 3: the environment. They felt like they were being talked down to,
Speaker 3: and that was one of the problems. I suppose that
Speaker 3: a lot of viewers were turning off and the numbers
Speaker 3: were certainly dwindling. In the heyday of the project, it
Speaker 3: was hitting one point one one point two million people,
Speaker 3: but it was well below that.
Speaker 2: Talking about what you get and the wokeness, you would
Speaker 2: be aware of the fact that Greg Guttfeld, with his
Speaker 2: show on Fox in the US, is out rating the
Speaker 2: other high profile late night talk shows. He's got more
Speaker 2: viewers than them put together as far as I know,
Speaker 2: but he's certainly outrating them all, but they're all pretty woke.
Speaker 2: They're the old style American format, which I'm not saying
Speaker 2: is a bad thing, but the stuff that Gutfeld puts
Speaker 2: to air, I couldn't see executives here allowing that, could you.
Speaker 6: No, definitely not.
Speaker 3: I think, look, there is a term. I know. We
Speaker 3: use woke a little bit, we use right wing, we
Speaker 3: use conservative media quite a lot. I think the Australian
Speaker 3: media can't really handle that kind of thing. If it's
Speaker 3: doing very well, it's because it's appealing to a particular audience,
Speaker 3: an audience that either feels it hasn't been heard before,
Speaker 3: or is looking for an audience that he wants to
Speaker 3: know almost you know, that rubber necking. When they see
Speaker 3: an accident, they just can't take their eyes off it.
Speaker 3: It's that kind of attraction that they just want to go,
Speaker 3: what are they going to say next? Yes, shock jock,
Speaker 3: you know. So the depth of the shock jock in
Speaker 3: radio happens, and I think that Australian media doesn't really
Speaker 3: cope well with too much shock. There's not a lot
Speaker 3: of substance there and at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: we just want to be educated, informed, or at least
Speaker 3: given some views to help us form our own opinions.
Speaker 3: And that's the beauty I think of Australian media is
Speaker 3: that we do provide a lot of that. People have
Speaker 3: got choice as where to go. In America it's a
Speaker 3: complete different game, and particularly with the press that's sitting
Speaker 3: over there and encouraging a different format. He's encouraging different views.
Speaker 2: Yes, mind you, it does depend a lot on the host.
Speaker 2: I think I remember going to see Johnny Carson live
Speaker 2: way back, and he just understood the medium so well.
Speaker 2: In fact, the night I went to see him live,
Speaker 2: I thought I've come on a quiet night. But when
Speaker 2: I went back to the motel, because you know, it
Speaker 2: was recorded for live, as they say in America, But
Speaker 2: when I went back to the motel, it was exactly right.
Speaker 2: Although Johnny got very cross with a guest. A guest
Speaker 2: was pushing something political Johnny didn't want to know about,
Speaker 2: and you could see was getting cross And so after
Speaker 2: the show had finished ed, McMahon came out and said, oh,
Speaker 2: can we we ask you to pretend that the show's
Speaker 2: starting again. So they started again, and when the show
Speaker 2: finally went to it did not include the guest that
Speaker 2: was doing what Johnny thought was inappropriate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, you know we've got We've got a
Speaker 3: very broad range of media here in Australia, and I
Speaker 3: think a lot of the criticism, particularly around ABC Q
Speaker 3: and A, was coming from Sky News or coming from
Speaker 3: Sky as we refer to it after Dark, a very
Speaker 3: conservative approach to media. They would have a crack and
Speaker 3: the ABC's Media Watch would very much be looking at
Speaker 3: what's going on at the Sky News, having little DIBs
Speaker 3: at each other and questioning their values. I suppose their
Speaker 3: bias if you like. We have that. We have that
Speaker 3: in Australia and the beauty of it I love about
Speaker 3: it is the fact that we can make decisions and
Speaker 3: choices as to who we consume. I get worried, Mike
Speaker 3: when I hear just someone just listening to one form
Speaker 3: of media or or not really taking in all that
Speaker 3: is around. It just helps them shape fame and their
Speaker 3: opinion and position a little bit better. And that's the
Speaker 3: scary thing with social media, Mike, is the fact that
Speaker 3: a lot of people get into their silos and just
Speaker 3: think and hear and think that this is the one
Speaker 3: and only true message when there's just so much out
Speaker 3: there well.
Speaker 2: Over the years, I have advised my listeners to get
Speaker 2: their information from a variety of sources. I don't know
Speaker 2: whether my employers have appreciated me doing or not well.
Speaker 3: No, you just think with Mike Jeffreys, everyone, you're doing
Speaker 3: well listening to mine, but you know in the morning
Speaker 3: they'll be listening across the other two GB programs and
Speaker 3: across the other spectrums of media that are out there
Speaker 3: and just getting good sound information to be able to
Speaker 3: make your own choice and decision, because that's what we want.
Speaker 3: We don't want to be dictated to or told how
Speaker 3: to think or what to do. We just want enough
Speaker 3: information to be able to make our own decisions.
Speaker 2: Yes, I actually wrote that as a positioning statement for
Speaker 2: a radio station when I was the PD. I said,
Speaker 2: we tell you what's going on, not what to think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that. I used to work for a
Speaker 3: media monitoring company and we used to give you news
Speaker 3: you need, not necessarily news you want. And I think
Speaker 3: too much of us at the moment are just seeking out,
Speaker 3: particularly on social media, and the younger folk that are
Speaker 3: running around, they're just getting the news they want and
Speaker 3: not necessarily the news they need.
Speaker 2: What's reaffirming their views. By the way, here's a question
Speaker 2: without notice for you. But you took us down that path.
Speaker 2: You're on a media watch. I don't normally watch media Watch,
Speaker 2: but I've watched it the last two or three weeks
Speaker 2: and it doesn't look like media Watch to me. It
Speaker 2: looks like Linton Besser is giving you a digest of
Speaker 2: what he thought was the news during the week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Linton, since taking over watch it religiously make It's
Speaker 3: part of what I do. But it has taken on
Speaker 3: and it's almost getting a little bit too even the
Speaker 3: bias level. I suppose that he focuses on the commercial networks.
Speaker 3: He's really going hammer and tongue on that. I've got
Speaker 3: to say, Linton, I know he'll be listening because they
Speaker 3: listen to everything. Yeah, I'm not a fan of the
Speaker 3: show at the moment, but I think he's also just
Speaker 3: trying to find his feet. There's a long track record
Speaker 3: of media Watch that's been on and I think the
Speaker 3: program itself does hold a lot of media to account.
Speaker 3: In fact, many in the media will say you've never
Speaker 3: been in the media unless you've been on Media Watch
Speaker 3: or been questioned. But look, I think they do a
Speaker 3: good job. Just a lot of media sometimes don't want
Speaker 3: to be how to account, and I think we've got
Speaker 3: to hold everyone to account. And that's the beauty of
Speaker 3: media that we are regulated, we are looked at and look,
Speaker 3: that's why I'll always get my news from mainstream media
Speaker 3: as opposed to social media, because I know what I'm getting.
Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm getting on the social media site.
Speaker 2: You're right about Media Watch. It's changed a lot over
Speaker 2: the years, and may I say it's come a long
Speaker 2: way from Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells that was its original
Speaker 2: BBC name. Did you know that?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 3: I did not, And I look at you know, I
Speaker 3: always laugh at the people that sort of well, I
Speaker 3: don't always laugh, but I sometimes question why people are
Speaker 3: so upset when they see themselves on there, and how
Speaker 3: they react and respond to it. I mean even I've
Speaker 3: had a text message from Linton regarding a particular segment
Speaker 3: that was on. You know, you deal and you work
Speaker 3: with it, But I also say, if we're not rocking
Speaker 3: the boat, if we're not rattling the trees a little bit,
Speaker 3: are we really doing our jobs anyway?
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm with you on that, Yes, yeah.
Speaker 3: So I think it's sometimes it's a little bit of
Speaker 3: a badge of honor being appearing on Media Watch. It's
Speaker 3: how you work and deal with them and how you
Speaker 3: respond to it is a real reflection of the brand.
Speaker 2: Nick, appreciate your time and comments. Thank you for coming
Speaker 2: on the program. Thanks Mine, Nick Hay's media commentator, managing
Speaker 2: director of Media Stable. Good morning, welcome along if you
Speaker 2: just joined us. A couple of comments about Greta here.
Speaker 2: Brad from Lynnfield says, Mike, I have very simple and
Speaker 2: I suspect rhetorical question about the infamous Greta Thunberg. Has
Speaker 2: she ever had a job? Perhaps it's time to seek one?
Speaker 2: Is that like in the TV commercial? Seek just to
Speaker 2: thought to the dell Ternes. Did they have a song,
Speaker 2: get a job and get a job? We get it.
Speaker 2: I think they did. I guess that's what you're referring to. Brad. Look,
Speaker 2: as far as I know, the ladies never had a
Speaker 2: job in the sense that we understand one. She's got
Speaker 2: an honorary degree for her work about climate change and
Speaker 2: you know activism. She gets paid to turn up and
Speaker 2: give talks. I suspect not as much lately as maybe
Speaker 2: once and that's about it for Greta is coming from Jackie,
Speaker 2: who says, good morning Mike. It's my opinion that even
Speaker 2: if that terrible ignorant girl we're talking about, Greta refused
Speaker 2: to watch the video, they should have secured the door
Speaker 2: and turned it on. Yes, they could. They could have
Speaker 2: done it like in that movie what's the movie where
Speaker 2: Alex and his drewgies? Where's that movie? Dale? You know,
Speaker 2: Alex and the drugiz and all that clockwork orange. That's right,
Speaker 2: And remember they pinned his eyelids open and made him
Speaker 2: watch something. They should have done that. But to go
Speaker 2: back to Jackie said, I did say the terrible screams
Speaker 2: and the obvious sounds of glee from the perpetrators would
Speaker 2: have been dreadful to have heard. Fond regards Jackie. But
Speaker 2: you know, like I say, Greta wouldn't watch, doesn't want
Speaker 2: anything that interferes with her feelings. Let me go to
Speaker 2: Helen from Kabulcher. Good morning, Helen, Hi, how are you going? Oh? Well,
Speaker 2: thank you? I saw you sent me a long email.
Speaker 2: Thank you for that.
Speaker 7: And you know it's funny talking about Duckfield. I don't
Speaker 7: really watch it all that much. But sometimes I go
Speaker 7: from Jesse Walters to that. And the other night when
Speaker 7: they were talking about Greta, it was hilarious. They were
Speaker 7: all very quick witted and I didn't.
Speaker 2: See that one. It'll still be there somewhere. I must
Speaker 2: have a look.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was funny.
Speaker 7: But a lot of the time the Americans have a
Speaker 7: different sense of humor to what we do.
Speaker 9: They do and it's.
Speaker 7: And I can sit there and everybody's laughing, and I'm
Speaker 7: just think, what are you laughing at? But I like
Speaker 7: the English comedies better.
Speaker 2: Yes, they have a different approach, don't they. You know,
Speaker 2: I think about it. I wanted to do something on humor,
Speaker 2: but at this stage I haven't got a volunteer comedian
Speaker 2: to discuss it with me. But I must have another
Speaker 2: go at that. But it seems to me my summation
Speaker 2: of the difference is that the Yank humor is always
Speaker 2: about is all about awkward, creating an awkward situation. You
Speaker 2: watch Seinfeld, you watch Phrasier, even some of the more
Speaker 2: recent ones. It's about creating putting somebody in an awkward situation,
Speaker 2: Whereas the British have a different approach. Exactly how you
Speaker 2: summoned up on a word. I'm looking for one at
Speaker 2: the moment, but anyway, they're different.
Speaker 3: You're right, that's Rod.
Speaker 7: And do you remember going I'm going back, but I'm
Speaker 7: sure you remember in the early Love with TV they
Speaker 7: had that show Love Thy Neighbor, Yes, and things like that. Yeah,
Speaker 7: he'd say Blackie's next door, and then the black fellow
Speaker 7: would go into his wife and say, I've just spoken
Speaker 7: to Whitey. Yes, you know, but no one was offended.
Speaker 2: Well, no, we had much broader interpretations of what was
Speaker 2: allowed as humor, and I think that particularly came from
Speaker 2: the British. I've always thought Australia produces really good cartoonists
Speaker 2: and my theory on that, and I do have a
Speaker 2: theory on everything in the known world, of course, but
Speaker 2: my theory on why we produce such good cartoonists. We
Speaker 2: don't have the absolute freedom of speech guaranteed the way
Speaker 2: the Americans do, so when we want to make a point,
Speaker 2: we make it a bit sideway. It's a bit oblique.
Speaker 2: And the cartoonists here I think are very good at
Speaker 2: that and better for it.
Speaker 10: Yes, yes they are.
Speaker 7: But I just think it's a shame even that one
Speaker 7: with are you being served? And he'd say, are you
Speaker 7: being served? And you know, so just little things like
Speaker 7: the commentary in it and things like that and having
Speaker 7: a sling off at everybody. Yes, you know, we just
Speaker 7: don't seem to be able to create that anymore, or
Speaker 7: we're not allowed to do it anymore.
Speaker 2: Well supposedly because somebody somewhere might be offended, but my
Speaker 2: feeling is if they're going to be offended, don't watch.
Speaker 7: Well, that's right, And I think honestly everybody remembers forty Towers, Yes,
Speaker 7: with the gym, don't mention the war. Yes, I mean
Speaker 7: that was hilarious. I mean it was always it was
Speaker 7: just such a fantastic show and it doesn't know how
Speaker 7: many times to see it. It's funny.
Speaker 2: I was watching some episodes of Dad's Army and they
Speaker 2: were making jokes, you know, the English were making jokes
Speaker 2: about the Germans, and the Germans were making jokes about
Speaker 2: the English.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yes, that's right, and nobody's offended, and it's and
Speaker 7: it is just funny, you know, And.
Speaker 11: Anyway, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 7: You could go on forever. But it's just a shame.
Speaker 7: And I think when you were talking to Nick about
Speaker 7: the panels and about politics. It is all rather boring
Speaker 7: because they're all woke and they don't want to have
Speaker 7: a debate.
Speaker 2: That's right. I think that's what a lot of people think.
Speaker 7: Yeah, all right, all right, thank you.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Bye bye.
Speaker 2: Jack has called in from Campbelltown. Good morning Jack, Yah.
Speaker 9: Yeah, good morning, good morning. Make you're talking about the
Speaker 9: comedy things. Remember they used to have these comedy shows
Speaker 9: where where the where the audience was laughing or as
Speaker 9: of course, you know that the people who were listening
Speaker 9: to the shoulder and you went for laugh Do you
Speaker 9: remember that?
Speaker 2: Well in a way, But since you mentioned that, do
Speaker 2: you ever watch that show on the ABC? Would I
Speaker 2: lie to you?
Speaker 9: No, I don't want to know.
Speaker 2: And there's another one called Q and I and I
Speaker 2: quite enjoy them, but the canned laughter is so loud
Speaker 2: it's annoying. Seriously, they're totally about you and I look.
Speaker 9: I mean the ABC is the ABC is paid by
Speaker 9: the government and therefore, you know, whatever they bring, you know,
Speaker 9: it has to be sort of whatever government is in
Speaker 9: power either has to stick the line. Okay. Now, you
Speaker 9: station is a commercial station, so you also have to observe,
Speaker 9: you know, what your bosses want you to talk about,
Speaker 9: isn't it.
Speaker 2: Well, I've I got to say for management here, they
Speaker 2: have never told me what to say. I actually uh
Speaker 2: went to uh must have been a provost meeting some
Speaker 2: months ago. People they're saying, oh, yes, and they tell
Speaker 2: you what to say. Well, no, they don't. Maybe the
Speaker 2: fact that they know that might be a waste of time.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't don't want to be, you know,
Speaker 2: two at the provocative unnecessarily. But the fact of the
Speaker 2: matter is management here have never told me what to say.
Speaker 2: And I don't recall management telling me what to say.
Speaker 2: But I have had some management over the years who
Speaker 2: were very unhappy with things that I have said.
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, well you're pretty okay, Mike. You are right
Speaker 9: now talking about that Greta girl. You know, if she doesn't,
Speaker 9: as you said before, you know, if she doesn't want
Speaker 9: to watch it, you know, don't watch it. I mean,
Speaker 9: how dare you say it is one of fostic people
Speaker 9: to watch some stuff, you know, and before they release them.
Speaker 9: But I want to say about the I Alis, really
Speaker 9: they can't hide behind the Holocaust much anymore the way
Speaker 9: that I carry on.
Speaker 2: They hide behind what cars? What cars?
Speaker 9: The holocausts? They cannot really hide behind what happened to
Speaker 9: them is either way they carry on.
Speaker 2: Now how the Holocaust? All right?
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yes, I can't use that no more much.
Speaker 2: You know, you don't think.
Speaker 9: The way the carry on mite. Ye have to pay
Speaker 9: for all that. We gotta pay more, petroal, We gotta
Speaker 9: pay this, We gotta pay that. We are always the losers.
Speaker 9: The consumer are the losers. While he's blood Jess who
Speaker 9: run the countries. I travel around and visit, visiting each
Speaker 9: other and having fun.
Speaker 2: They're special, They're special people.
Speaker 9: Okay, you take care, Okay.
Speaker 2: See Jack. Bye. Mick from Winston Hills says, good morning, Assassin.
Speaker 2: Gutfield on Fox News is my favorite show. Really pokes
Speaker 2: fun at the left mercilessly. Also, yeah, I'm watch it
Speaker 2: in batches every now and again, And I don't watch
Speaker 2: any of the other late night talk shows. Are used
Speaker 2: to watch what his name not a little more anyway,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And who else? Way back
Speaker 2: in the day, I used to watch Carson. But yes,
Speaker 2: it'll come to me on the way home in the car. Anyway,
Speaker 2: back to what mix, says Gutfeld on Fox News. My
Speaker 2: favorite show really pokes fun at the left mercilessly. I
Speaker 2: saw last week an album was released by an artist.
Speaker 2: The album is called half Man, Half Biscuit. This is surely,
Speaker 2: says Mick, a pseudonym of young Dale Sindon. When he
Speaker 2: eats a packet of orange creams, he becomes half man,
Speaker 2: half biscuit. Well, I'll put it to him later. Make
Speaker 2: you might be onto something. Albert's called in from Hurstville.
Speaker 6: Good morning, Albert, Hi, Mike, how are you.
Speaker 2: I'm well, thank you.
Speaker 6: That's good to hear. The gunman that dressed up as
Speaker 6: a police officer that shot the Democrat senators, the media
Speaker 6: was very quick to point out that that government was
Speaker 6: a voted Republican. But what I find very strange about
Speaker 6: the whole thing was that that government had shot a
Speaker 6: Democrat senator who sided with the Trump administration in not
Speaker 6: giving the illegals medicaid, which is like our version of medicare.
Speaker 6: So but given that fact, then you would one would
Speaker 6: conclude that that government was a Democrat. Now they also
Speaker 6: said that. The media also said the same thing about
Speaker 6: the young young person who attempted to assassinate Trump when
Speaker 6: he was on the roof. They said that he was
Speaker 6: a Republican voter, yet his parents were staunch Democrats, and
Speaker 6: there's also some they're also linking him with black Rock,
Speaker 6: et cetera. Well, anyway, so what I'm saying is the
Speaker 6: media are quick to classify these nut jobs as Republican
Speaker 6: when in fact they are Democrat activists or obviously something
Speaker 6: wrong with them.
Speaker 2: That murdering you're talking about. Didn't he get a job
Speaker 2: from one of the Democrats.
Speaker 6: I believe it was Tim Walls. He was, He had
Speaker 6: his contract. I heard from a Los Angeles radio that
Speaker 6: his contract was renewed. I don't know in what capacity,
Speaker 6: but he was also closely Tim Waltz knew him and
Speaker 6: as we all know, or some of us might know
Speaker 6: in Australia that Tim Walls was the running mate for
Speaker 6: Kamala Harris in the last American presidential election.
Speaker 2: Didn't they call him a tampon tin.
Speaker 6: Yes, that's right, tampon.
Speaker 2: Tin because he insisted on having tampons in the boys toilet. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, he's the alpha male of the Democrats in a
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, in a nigga in an
Speaker 6: opposite way. But you know what's happening happening in America
Speaker 6: is it sounds like it sounds like what Antifa and
Speaker 6: BLM did during the first presidential term.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is. You're right, that's that's what it is.
Speaker 2: And you've only got to look at I notice Murrow
Speaker 2: here pointed out the distribution of the helmets and face
Speaker 2: masks to the rioters, and Dale was telling me, you
Speaker 2: read about somebody who's offered one hundred and fifty bucks
Speaker 2: a day to join in the riots. But I could
Speaker 2: top that because somebody on x said he was offered
Speaker 2: two hundred dollars a day to join in the riots.
Speaker 2: So it seems like it's funded and organized.
Speaker 6: Yes, well, well, what's interesting is independent news sources are
Speaker 6: saying that the riots in not talking. I don't know
Speaker 6: about other states of America. Obviously there's one going in Chicago,
Speaker 6: when maybe a few other cities, but the one in
Speaker 6: Los Angeles that's been funded by the public, the general
Speaker 6: public via the Democrats. So the Democrats themselves are funding
Speaker 6: the protests in Los Angeles. And that's another thing. One
Speaker 6: of the talk back announcers on Los Angeles radio said, well,
Speaker 6: it's from the station being KFI six point forty.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 12: OK.
Speaker 6: And the guy who does the afternoon shift is the
Speaker 6: son of Tim Conway Junior.
Speaker 2: But you know, I was reading The Hill. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you read that. It's a Washington publication. It's
Speaker 2: a little bit left leaning, but it's more sane than most.
Speaker 2: And they have made the point, as have others. The
Speaker 2: Democrats have to be very careful about supporting the riots
Speaker 2: because and other people have made this observation. But I
Speaker 2: mentioned The Hill in particular because I think they're fairly well,
Speaker 2: almost down the middle of the road. But this could
Speaker 2: all work out very well for Trump because the easy
Speaker 2: call to make is, well, look at California. What a mess.
Speaker 2: That's what you get with the Democrat run state. And
Speaker 2: even Democrats are uneasy about this writing in the street.
Speaker 2: They don't necessarily want to see that, and they don't
Speaker 2: want to be seen necessarily to be supporting it. So
Speaker 2: people in public positions representing the Democratic Party have got
Speaker 2: a walk a fairly narrow path. Really well.
Speaker 6: I think that's correct, and I think it won't be
Speaker 6: too much longer before the Democrats are implicated directly. In fact,
Speaker 6: I've heard quite a few smart people who should know
Speaker 6: better that they're saying that all these protests have got
Speaker 6: nothing to do with what you think it's got to
Speaker 6: do with, which is they protesting against the eviction of
Speaker 6: the illegals who are committing crimes in America. They're saying
Speaker 6: that that's got nothing to do with that. It's what
Speaker 6: it's God is to do. Is that the outreach or
Speaker 6: the reaching of the federal government by implementing the army,
Speaker 6: allowing them for the public to get used to, and
Speaker 6: providing an excuse to the federal government to introduce the
Speaker 6: army into the state. And I thought to myself, wait
Speaker 6: a minute, the answer is there right in front of you.
Speaker 6: And yet you're overthinking the situation and concluding these are
Speaker 6: smart people. Well obviously not. But they're saying, no, it's
Speaker 6: not that. It's the opposite, that it's the government prepping
Speaker 6: the people to allow them to get used to, or
Speaker 6: using an excuse to introduce the military.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, this is the this is the no
Speaker 2: Kings thing, this is the dictator idea. Yes, interesting, Albert
Speaker 2: got to go, but thank you for calling. Thank you, Mike, Okay,
Speaker 2: we will have the news for you shortly. And Philip,
Speaker 2: thank you. Yes, that's who I was trying to think of. Letterman.
Speaker 2: Letterman was as somebody said to me once you got
Speaker 2: to watch Letterman in case it's a really good night.
Speaker 2: Some nights he was better than others, but he he
Speaker 2: did have a quality about his programs. Wayne from Fairfield
Speaker 2: says high Mike and anagram for Greta Thunberg is green
Speaker 2: brat thug, says Wayne. I suppose, I don't know. She
Speaker 2: had her moment in the spotlight and tried to recapture
Speaker 2: it with the this sailing boat going to the Middle East.
Speaker 2: But as somebody said, worst to kidnap ever, she had
Speaker 2: the pre recorded thing. I've been kidnapped. It really was
Speaker 2: a selfie boat. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now onto GB for BC and network stations.
Speaker 2: Back to our straight you're overnight, We find Jeffries, good morning.
Speaker 2: I'll go back to the phones in a moment. But look,
Speaker 2: here's the headline from the Canberra Times. Don't get taken
Speaker 2: for a ride by cowboys. And this has to do
Speaker 2: with the solar business. Don't get taken for a ride
Speaker 2: by cowboys. Are they talking about rent seeking billionaires who claim,
Speaker 2: for example, that they can make green hydrogen into a
Speaker 2: commercial proposition. No, no, not so much. Now they're actually
Speaker 2: talking about people who sell batteries, businesses, booming for solar
Speaker 2: companies thanks to the federal government's rebate on the cost
Speaker 2: of installing battery systems, but some established firms have warned
Speaker 2: consumers to be wary of cowboys who are out for
Speaker 2: a quick buck. No, Lee, is that happening, by the way,
Speaker 2: that's uh, that's very Labor Party. Stick with the big guys.
Speaker 2: That's the way they've pushed that as long as I
Speaker 2: can remember, and I remember to way back when they
Speaker 2: the Labor Party, would run ads saying don't deal with
Speaker 2: the backyarders, deal with the big firms, the ones you
Speaker 2: can trust, not huge fans of small business, the Labor Party.
Speaker 2: Chris has called in from Leila and Victoria. Good morning, Chris,
Speaker 2: how are you hi.
Speaker 10: I'm all right, thinks Can I slip one in?
Speaker 2: Well, you usually do, Chris, We're used to it now.
Speaker 10: No. I go through the topics and usually I have
Speaker 10: my main one that I want at the end. But look,
Speaker 10: I'll slip this one and if I can, if I
Speaker 10: take that as a guest, you will talk to your
Speaker 10: guests before and already in regard to the media, I mean,
Speaker 10: where are the critics from the media. There are very few.
Speaker 10: Are you to what the ABC. I was a child
Speaker 10: the ABC News. Now I don't. They've lost me and
Speaker 10: there's there's something wrong with the ABC needs to be
Speaker 10: addressed and it's not being addressed. I don't think anyone's
Speaker 10: game enough to get in and do what needs to
Speaker 10: be done.
Speaker 2: And you're not being very specific there, Chris, what's your
Speaker 2: equivalent with the ABC?
Speaker 10: It's biased. I think that the ABC and the Labor
Speaker 10: government are a perfect.
Speaker 2: Match there and they aren't as old Jared Henderson says
Speaker 2: in The Australian. If they attack the government is from
Speaker 2: a leftish point of view. It always comes Their attack
Speaker 2: always comes from a leftish point of view. That's the
Speaker 2: way he sees it, and a lot of people do
Speaker 2: see them as being very biased. I was watching the
Speaker 2: other day. First of all, we had Matt Canavan being
Speaker 2: interviewed and then Nick McKim. Suffice to say Canavan got
Speaker 2: more interruptions than Nick McKim, and McKim is so far
Speaker 2: out there on the left. Although it's worth noting that
Speaker 2: McKim dodged around the question of whether or not the
Speaker 2: Greens would support making unrealized profits taxable. He was wary
Speaker 2: of that one, which I thought was interesting. But anyway,
Speaker 2: apart from that, it was pure lefty unicorns and rainbows.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it sounds like you and I and I wouldn't
Speaker 10: have any time at all over that. But look what
Speaker 10: I wanted to talk about was Albowy comments about good
Speaker 10: friends with the US. Oh yeah, well I think he's
Speaker 10: a great friend with China. The other one is our
Speaker 10: premier down here, Jacinta Allen. She went from a shelf
Speaker 10: stacker a short time there with Carl's don't worked for
Speaker 10: a politician, got it elected and then becoming a premier.
Speaker 10: She's got no real work or maybe life experience.
Speaker 2: Well, you said she was a shelf stacker, so she
Speaker 2: didn't go straight from high school to UNI and interning
Speaker 2: in a politician's office and then straight into the politician's office.
Speaker 2: At least she, you say, did have a job she stacking.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it was part time. Elbow had had a couple
Speaker 10: of years at the common well bankers that tellers, so
Speaker 10: you know, there's a bit a bit.
Speaker 2: So they have had real work, dealing with real people
Speaker 2: and real jobs at the grassroots. Yeah, but not much
Speaker 2: of it, you.
Speaker 10: Say, no, exactly, not enough of it actually, But look
Speaker 10: to me, they can't now make decisions, and I think
Speaker 10: that's probably why Victoria's spent nearly a billion dollars. The
Speaker 10: same can be said of Daniel and And who's on advice
Speaker 10: and consultancy. It's a ridiculous amount of money. I mean,
Speaker 10: can they do anything.
Speaker 12: No.
Speaker 10: Look, the other thing that I wanted to talk about
Speaker 10: is Daniel. He has been retired, He's been shown from
Speaker 10: a golf course several and one wont blame them for
Speaker 10: doing that. Let's payback for the COVID. But he's almost
Speaker 10: on as much as he was getting before when he
Speaker 10: was working. Plus the advantagure is now that he's got
Speaker 10: his own consultancy businesses, he can do what a pension
Speaker 10: I can't. He can go earn as much money as
Speaker 10: he likes outside of politics, and he won't lose any
Speaker 10: of his entirement. So why are we so tough on retirees?
Speaker 10: You want to go back and earn a bit more
Speaker 10: money for whatever reason, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: I think that's a good point, by the way, Chris,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you recall, I did have somebody
Speaker 2: on the program a while back making a good case
Speaker 2: for why retirees should get the pension but be allowed
Speaker 2: to work. A lot of people don't agree with it,
Speaker 2: but the main trust of his argument, as I recall,
Speaker 2: is that we're wasting a lot of experience. They're experienced
Speaker 2: people who could be working. I think in New Zealand
Speaker 2: it might have been the same conversation. It was said
Speaker 2: that in New Zealand you automatically get a pension when
Speaker 2: you retire, and then nobody cares whether you do some
Speaker 2: work or not. You're just entitled to it for what
Speaker 2: the you know, you've paid in taxes over the years.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. I think some of the European countries
Speaker 2: do the same thing. So that's an interesting point. I
Speaker 2: think it's worth one worth discussing.
Speaker 10: Michael wait I weigh that you could people Actually, they'll
Speaker 10: stay out of the hospital, they'll be healthy. The longer
Speaker 10: I used to get a delivery from a guy and
Speaker 10: he would come up to the door. I mean, these
Speaker 10: are the sort of jobs that retirees can do and
Speaker 10: can fit. So, you know, look at the health benefits
Speaker 10: they're going to save on medical, medical care and medical expenses.
Speaker 10: So at the end of the day, balanced out about
Speaker 10: against the tax that they would be paying. And there
Speaker 10: are benefits if you go that way. So maybe guess
Speaker 10: let people work after retirement age. They've worked, they've paid
Speaker 10: their taxes, so why are they discriminated politicians.
Speaker 2: Are Look, I think it's a discussion worth having. You're
Speaker 2: never going to get it from this government. This government,
Speaker 2: their philosophy is they want everybody dependent on them so
Speaker 2: that they just get continually re elected. That's how they think.
Speaker 2: I can't see them ever supporting what you're saying, but
Speaker 2: I do think it's something worth discussing anyway, Chris, thank
Speaker 2: you for calling.
Speaker 10: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Keith from Ballarat has called in. Greg Keith, good morning,
Speaker 2: good morning, A quick one.
Speaker 5: Belgium is an ideal place for a retired people working,
Speaker 5: especially in the tourist industry and that type of thing.
Speaker 5: They're allowed to work. It doesn't matter what they've done
Speaker 5: in their lives, accountants or anything. But once they retire
Speaker 5: they can work in like the tourist industry, making beds,
Speaker 5: doing gardens and all that kind of thing and still.
Speaker 2: Get whatever retirement benefits from the government.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, and they own an extra that's an extra
Speaker 5: because jobs that people don't want to do. So example,
Speaker 5: But I want to talk about the problem in America
Speaker 5: a lot like these problems don't just start yesterday. Like
Speaker 5: America was built on slavery, like slaves for four hundred years,
Speaker 5: and if you were well looked at it over the years,
Speaker 5: and the kidnapping of the slaves, the way they were
Speaker 5: transported in the ships, packed in like sardines, the way
Speaker 5: they were thrown overboard, if there was any danger of
Speaker 5: anyone catching them. They're doing your legal business. And that's
Speaker 5: the shocking thing to see. But when they'd finished with similar,
Speaker 5: they just cut them loose. They said, oh, well you're
Speaker 5: free now. There was no assimilation or no anything. Now
Speaker 5: they've multiplied and multiplied. Now there's a huge problem. What
Speaker 5: does America do with the black problem they've made for themselves?
Speaker 2: Well, are you asking me or are you being rhetorical?
Speaker 5: Well, i'm you know, they're never allowed to assimilate. And
Speaker 5: then from adeen.
Speaker 2: Sixty you still have you still think that the positions
Speaker 2: therein now they've never successfully assimilated into the society. Do
Speaker 2: you see them still being discriminated against?
Speaker 5: Well, from nteen sixty five to nineteen sixty five they
Speaker 5: had the Jim Crow Laws, which you know was parth
Speaker 5: height of the worst coin.
Speaker 2: And I was talking about this at dinner a while ago,
Speaker 2: and there's guy there at the table who was very
Speaker 2: surprised that the Klan was supported by the Democrats because
Speaker 2: it was the Southern Democrats and all of that. But anyway,
Speaker 2: the Democrats have changed the tune as we know. But
Speaker 2: as far as the situation with the what do we
Speaker 2: say now African Americans, even though they're not born in Africa.
Speaker 2: You know, it used to be mandatory to say blacks
Speaker 2: at one stage, but I think we've got out of
Speaker 2: that era. But anyway, colors, you can't say colors anymore.
Speaker 2: So the people of African American descent, a lot of
Speaker 2: them have done pretty.
Speaker 5: Well, maybe a lot of them, but that lot would
Speaker 5: be a small percentage because when you consider there was
Speaker 5: probably five and four or five million maybe more slaves
Speaker 5: brought in and they've multiplied over the naturally they're multiplied
Speaker 5: to bad families. They've survived, they lived well. Then they
Speaker 5: show people that have done well, of course, which would
Speaker 5: do well, but a lot of them have still trated badly.
Speaker 5: But then I want to speak also about mister Trump
Speaker 5: and the problem down on the border with the Mexicans
Speaker 5: or the illegal laborers. Yeah, in nineteen forty five, after
Speaker 5: the war, they encourage them to come in and do
Speaker 5: the work on the farms and all that type of thing,
Speaker 5: and in the hotels no one else would do because
Speaker 5: the juries were all going to universities and technical schools
Speaker 5: and upgrading their skills. And now they're stuck. And a
Speaker 5: lot of those people like they've been doing it for
Speaker 5: eighty years. A lot of them are second and third generation,
Speaker 5: and they just can't say, well, we don't want you anymore.
Speaker 5: Go back.
Speaker 2: But if you're not legal, if you're not legal, you know,
Speaker 2: you say they've been there for several generations. Well, we
Speaker 2: presume their citizens, then, don't we.
Speaker 5: No, Well, if their children are born there and their
Speaker 5: grandchildren are.
Speaker 2: Born there, Yeah, well I'm saying their citizens, aren't they.
Speaker 5: Where do we stand.
Speaker 2: Back, Well, they're sending the ones they're sending. All the
Speaker 2: argument is they're sending the people back who came in
Speaker 2: without getting proper accreditation. But to go to your argument,
Speaker 2: it was said years ago that the American housewife wouldn't
Speaker 2: buy orange juice if it weren't for the illegals working
Speaker 2: for slave wages.
Speaker 5: That's right. Now someone has told mister Trump's the president's
Speaker 5: coat and said, excuse me, Like, we've got a lot
Speaker 5: of hotels and that they maintained in America, and we
Speaker 5: need these workers, well, the workers that make the beds
Speaker 5: and work in the kitchens and do the gardens and
Speaker 5: that kind of thing. And the farmers have said, well,
Speaker 5: we need them to work in the vineyards and the
Speaker 5: orchards and the market gardens. So what do you do
Speaker 5: to us. You're ruining our economy.
Speaker 2: I was actually discussing this with a G. Gankowski who
Speaker 2: comes on the program fairly regularly. As it turns out,
Speaker 2: he's an American journalist and commentator over there, and making
Speaker 2: the point that the people who benefit, as you point
Speaker 2: out here, are they not the ones that are in
Speaker 2: the spotlight, you know, the people who do benefit from
Speaker 2: paying the very low wages. So there's no doubt that
Speaker 2: that is an issue. But I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: going to stop Trump, do you think so?
Speaker 5: No, he's quite erratic, and like he'll think of an
Speaker 5: idea and do it and then someone the people that's
Speaker 5: affecting close to him and give his coat a little
Speaker 5: token say, you know, they have a bit of a
Speaker 5: rethink here mate. But then before we finish up, well,
Speaker 5: Australia was founded on that there was to be no
Speaker 5: black slaves in Australia. That's why they transported, well my
Speaker 5: early ancestors out as convicts and they transport them the
Speaker 5: same way is that the black slaves were transported in America.
Speaker 2: Where were you transported from or your foe bears.
Speaker 5: Britain and Ireland one hundred and two. They came out
Speaker 5: eighteen one hundred and four. They were a conviction. They
Speaker 5: were seated badly on hulks.
Speaker 13: And by the way, what.
Speaker 2: Did they do to be convicted in the first place?
Speaker 5: Well, you could have stolen a handkerchief.
Speaker 2: No, no, I'm asking what what did your forbears do?
Speaker 5: H one of them stole some clothes, that was the
Speaker 5: female stole some clothes. Another one on that he well
Speaker 5: documented what he did. I think they stole from a
Speaker 5: well to do family and they were put on the
Speaker 5: hulk in a prison hull for two years before they
Speaker 5: were transported to Australia on the Coramandel, the ship to Coromandel.
Speaker 2: That was I'm just curious because I think this, you know,
Speaker 2: stole a handkerchief and got sent out here is a
Speaker 2: bit of a myth. I used to go out with
Speaker 2: a girl who whose four bears came out as convicts,
Speaker 2: and the legend in their family was that they stole
Speaker 2: some clothes. But then it turned out that they were
Speaker 2: stealing clothes by the what sort of transport would they
Speaker 2: be using, you know, to transit draze or whatever they
Speaker 2: used the ant they were stealing them by the truckload.
Speaker 5: Basically, oh that's possible. That that was as possible most
Speaker 5: of them when you think of the times Adien Andrews,
Speaker 5: most of the people were starving, especially the Irish people
Speaker 5: were treated.
Speaker 2: Like, oh, no question, I'm not arguing about that. In fact,
Speaker 2: one half of my lot came from Wexford. But they
Speaker 2: did come out as free settlers, but that was in
Speaker 2: the eighteen forty eighteen forty. One brother stayed here and
Speaker 2: one brother went to America.
Speaker 5: But quite often when they came out as pretty settlers,
Speaker 5: the land owner would pay their fare to America or Australia,
Speaker 5: you know, to not to solve the problem, but to
Speaker 5: send them for a better life.
Speaker 2: Oh well, old man Witty did pretty well. He did
Speaker 2: have arguments with Nate Kelly, but Apart from that, he
Speaker 2: did pretty well well.
Speaker 5: One of the Irish forbears, he had nine thousand acres
Speaker 5: like and that he was a part of the land
Speaker 5: clearance and he managed to buy nine thousand acres in
Speaker 5: southern Ireland. Will my grandmother's mother came out when she
Speaker 5: was fourteen, in probably eighteen sixty and get out of
Speaker 5: the way because if she had to stay there, they
Speaker 5: would have she would have been killed. So she came
Speaker 5: out to Australia as a fourteen year old and she
Speaker 5: was married as soon as she landed. It was arranged marriage.
Speaker 5: So interesting things happened. But this or that's going on now,
Speaker 5: Like that's terrible the way we are now, like and
Speaker 5: especially like.
Speaker 2: Do you mean in this country or are you talking
Speaker 2: about America?
Speaker 5: In America? But in this country. I find it impossible
Speaker 5: to watch sky. I watched Paul Kelly interview the other
Speaker 5: night by Sharry Marx, and then that cut short because
Speaker 5: Paul was critical of mister Netanier, who and a couple
Speaker 5: of other extreme right. If you're extreme right in the
Speaker 5: stranger they called you a fastist. If you're extreme right
Speaker 5: over there, they called you a part of their democracy.
Speaker 2: See all right, thank you, Keith. Yeah, Charlie is called
Speaker 2: in from picton. Good Charlie, my good.
Speaker 4: So it was Paul Buried at Ran really watched on.
Speaker 2: It before this guy before Linton.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well.
Speaker 4: He had a great interview with Alan bond a bond
Speaker 4: up I think in the street and he said remember
Speaker 4: May and that was when Bondie was trying to prove
Speaker 4: he had a bad memory. Oh yeah, it's great, great
Speaker 4: to watch any right, and but but basically I reckon,
Speaker 4: you know who I reckon? Really? What should employ Roy
Speaker 4: and h G? I reckon that would that would write
Speaker 4: its pants off? You know it would? It would be
Speaker 4: absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 2: A bit of entertainment. Yeah. The Blake that's doing it now,
Speaker 2: you know I said he was he squirms in front
Speaker 2: of the camera. I when I saw him last he
Speaker 2: wasn't as bad. But he's still doing it so so
Speaker 2: maybe somebody had a word to him. But he's not
Speaker 2: really comfortable. I don't know if he'll ever get comfortable
Speaker 2: with what he's doing. But I don't think he's fulfilling
Speaker 2: the brief myself. But it would be fun to see
Speaker 2: Roy and HG taking the you know what out of Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: that's right.
Speaker 4: And the last thing I was going to say, I
Speaker 4: don't watch any news programs at night, like Channel nine
Speaker 4: News ten News seven years, because I find it's snuff.
Speaker 4: They put on stuff there that I do not want
Speaker 4: to watch, and like violent people being violent to each
Speaker 4: other or you know, there's a lot of things that
Speaker 4: they don't need to put on six o'clock news. I
Speaker 4: know that it's part of news, but I don't think
Speaker 4: that you know, seeing road rage, seeing you know, that
Speaker 4: type of thing, you know. I mean, I'd like to
Speaker 4: have a news item where you're told that, you know,
Speaker 4: just hold the basics, but you didn't go into the graphics,
Speaker 4: and you didn't go in and basically you had a
Speaker 4: good news scene. Halfway through, it'll break it up with
Speaker 4: good news stories, you know, so because otherways it just
Speaker 4: becomes to me like a a snack show, you know.
Speaker 2: So they're playing up the horror in your opinion, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's my opinion. But anyway, that's all I
Speaker 4: gotta say. And keep up with good work.
Speaker 2: All right, Thank you, Charlie.
Speaker 4: Okay bye.
Speaker 2: Jeff has called in from the Sunshine Coast. Good morning, Jeff, Hey,
Speaker 2: how are you doing not there.
Speaker 12: I live part of you. Every time I come back here,
Speaker 12: I'm so excited.
Speaker 2: Your phone line is not too good. Are you talking
Speaker 2: right into your phone?
Speaker 12: Can you hear me better now?
Speaker 11: Yes?
Speaker 12: Okay, So I was just saying, I look for about
Speaker 12: eight weeks of the year here, in the majority of
Speaker 12: time I live over and I just feel so sorry
Speaker 12: for young people. They're just bombard with with negative stories
Speaker 12: that the greater majority of them aren't true anyway. But
Speaker 12: it's just I just don't understand why people in the
Speaker 12: media don't start to think more about not the news,
Speaker 12: but it's just so negative down I just I don't understand.
Speaker 2: Well, uh as as the man from CNN said, fear cells.
Speaker 12: Yeah, but that doesn't help the citizens Australias who.
Speaker 2: Are in the young I think what is more concerning
Speaker 2: is what young people are told about history and the
Speaker 2: way some of their teachers go on. I mean, the
Speaker 2: news is the news. I take your point about it
Speaker 2: being negative, but U you know, every now and again
Speaker 2: somebody will try good news, happy news, but it never
Speaker 2: seems to work. So that's just what human beings are.
Speaker 12: I'm just I'm just ignorant very global warming, which maybe
Speaker 12: or maybe about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of it's a lot of it's either
Speaker 2: flat out untrue or very much exaggerated. Yes, look, I
Speaker 2: appreciate your calling, Jeff, but we're having trouble hearing you. Okay, lovely,
Speaker 2: see you mate, by bye. Here's an anonymous text that says,
Speaker 2: is it legal to turn someone's power off? My neighbors
Speaker 2: do it regularly. Do you mean they turn your power off?
Speaker 2: I've not heard of that before. Why would they do that?
Speaker 2: What's in it? Forum? I mean, I've heard people stealing
Speaker 2: the neighbor's power to uh, you know, provide power for
Speaker 2: the marijuana farm or whatever it is. But turning somebody
Speaker 2: else's power, why would they do that just to be
Speaker 2: annoying anyway, you have to clear that up for me.
Speaker 2: But I guess that's what you mean, the neighbors turn
Speaker 2: your power off? Weird? Denise says, Oh my, I thought
Speaker 2: went on. I've been here since the midnight news. Denise,
Speaker 2: At what point did you think I wasn't on? Darren says.
Speaker 2: People have to realize Biden let eleven million illegals in
Speaker 2: and heaps of them have committed sickening crimes. That's what
Speaker 2: Darren says. Yes, look, I think that you know, what
Speaker 2: you are alluding to is the original aim there, but
Speaker 2: of course I think it also has been taken over
Speaker 2: by other interests in the same way that Black Lives
Speaker 2: Matter was. And you know there are people behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: There are people apparently who are joining the demo for money,
Speaker 2: and I think there are people who are joining the
Speaker 2: demo because they are angry with the world and sees
Speaker 2: it's an opportunity to do a bit of looting. Ben
Speaker 2: says Alice Cooper. Yes once said the most commercial things
Speaker 2: are money, sex and death. Love The show says well
Speaker 2: that I suppose covers most things. Pats from Ostrol, Good morning, Pat, Look.
Speaker 8: I've been listening and having a bit of a giggle.
Speaker 8: I'd just like to tell you about some of the
Speaker 8: adventures that my sister and my friend went through years
Speaker 8: and years ago. Ama Barishter said, we love horses, and
Speaker 8: we moved out to ostral and he had horses there.
Speaker 8: So my sister went into the secretarial course and while
Speaker 8: she was there she met someone at the tech and
Speaker 8: she ended up doing a course at Hawkesby Agricultural College
Speaker 8: and the woman there was just an amazing woman.
Speaker 14: She was an a type personality would knock you over
Speaker 14: like she just knew so much. The only person I
Speaker 14: know that could talk on the phone, argue with her
Speaker 14: husband in the next room, and talk to me at
Speaker 14: the same time giving me directions.
Speaker 8: I don't know how she did it.
Speaker 2: She was a multitasker. A multitasker she was.
Speaker 8: She was amazing. But she was a full on type person.
Speaker 8: So she had a friend who had a big dairy
Speaker 8: up at Gostard and he sold sold the cattle and
Speaker 8: put in stables and made it a plate small like
Speaker 8: we tired or spelling of thoroughbrees. So he decided he
Speaker 8: liked Arabian horses, so he had a bit of a
Speaker 8: point of the bank, and he and this friend of
Speaker 8: mine went over to Europe to the Middle East to
Speaker 8: buy Arabian horses. They got to Egypt and they went
Speaker 8: there thinking, well, we'll get something nice. I need to
Speaker 8: find that the Americans had been there, paid big bucks
Speaker 8: and taken everything back to America and there was nothing
Speaker 8: left that they wanted to sell.
Speaker 11: So this is great.
Speaker 8: So the designer they would go and get a parade saddle.
Speaker 8: So they asked the guy at the hotel would they
Speaker 8: taped them into the bazaar and they went in and
Speaker 8: they walked in and because she's an h type personality,
Speaker 8: and started talking and the guy wouldn't even answer her.
Speaker 8: So she had to go and pride him because he
Speaker 8: was a very quite retricive man, and tell him what
Speaker 8: she wanted. They thought they were American and they're going
Speaker 8: to give them the shoddy goods till they found out
Speaker 8: they were Audie, and they took it out the back
Speaker 8: and they ended up buying this amazing saddle beautifully hadn't
Speaker 8: over everything and the bridle, and they couldn't get back out,
Speaker 8: even to get a cab because it was like a
Speaker 8: rabbit warrant. So finally they got back to the hotel,
Speaker 8: I need to be told, you've got to get the
Speaker 8: hell out of here.
Speaker 12: What it?
Speaker 11: What do you mean?
Speaker 8: They said, Well, the place is surrounded. There's going to
Speaker 8: be a war. This is the Sixth Day War I
Speaker 8: think was back late sixties, early seventies. So they rang
Speaker 8: up and they got a flight out and packed their
Speaker 8: bags and took off. So they ended up coming back
Speaker 8: and then they decided that they would go to America.
Speaker 8: So my sister at that time was working part time
Speaker 8: up there. And doing a course, and this woman went
Speaker 8: off jeded off to America. They tried to get horse
Speaker 8: from Waynew and he said, no way, I've just paid
Speaker 8: a fortune this when you're not getting it?
Speaker 2: Was he I didn't know he was a horse lover,
Speaker 2: but yeah, you're gone.
Speaker 8: Oh he has Arabians in the way. He's got a
Speaker 8: big start outside of Davids.
Speaker 2: Okay, well they are magnificent creatures, but go on. Yes, Well.
Speaker 8: They went to America and they had to argue, almost
Speaker 8: like give blood to get this horse, which they was
Speaker 8: a mating of a full brother to Bull's sister. They
Speaker 8: got it back and I was up there at a
Speaker 8: horse show and I said, can I see this thing? No,
Speaker 8: you can't see it. And I said, I came on
Speaker 8: way people to see this horse, and I was judging
Speaker 8: the show, and I thought, I've got to see this thing.
Speaker 8: So he went up to feed it, and I followed
Speaker 8: him up. And it was a little, stunted, tiny thing
Speaker 8: with the most exquisite headed eye, beautiful body, but about
Speaker 8: the size of a pony. So I said, and my games,
Speaker 8: you're gonn let me have a look at it. She
Speaker 8: took the go it It was really, really nice. He
Speaker 8: brought it to his mares and with such an outcross
Speaker 8: that they had these beautiful head, enormous eyes, absolutely gorgeous,
Speaker 8: and ended up winning everywhere.
Speaker 11: With these horses.
Speaker 2: Okay, and he.
Speaker 8: Paid a motza for it. I'm telling you a mozza.
Speaker 8: So they went to the Middle East to get the horses.
Speaker 8: The Americans had bought them all up. They had to
Speaker 8: go to America to buy them, and they paid big
Speaker 8: bucks and they brought it back and he was very
Speaker 8: happy with what he did in the finish, but it
Speaker 8: cost him an absolute mozza. But he was happy. He
Speaker 8: had his horses, and he had his mares, and he
Speaker 8: was raking the money from thoroughbredge So.
Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like the good life. What happened to
Speaker 2: the saddle?
Speaker 5: Oh love this.
Speaker 8: They got it home and they had this lovely krabbit
Speaker 8: stallion and they put it on him and he just
Speaker 8: went really well and he ended up he won an
Speaker 8: event at Sydney oyl and he won the stallion under saddle,
Speaker 8: so they were pretty My sister, of course, rode and
Speaker 8: it was very very good. We had a really good
Speaker 8: life back then. Seventy nine. Now, I mean I don't
Speaker 8: think i'd I could get up and go out the
Speaker 8: back and start, you know, picking up the horse mirror
Speaker 8: and you know, brushing them down and everything. But it
Speaker 8: was really funny because we used to go to the
Speaker 8: shows and the horses would go completely bananas, you know
Speaker 8: when they have the side shows and all the noise
Speaker 8: and everything, and our horses just stood there and they said,
Speaker 8: what drugs do you give your horses? We said nothing?
Speaker 8: They said, what do you mean. What we used to
Speaker 8: do is we get to transistor out and you have
Speaker 8: back in the sixties, the heavy metal and all that
Speaker 8: terrible music they had, especially the stone. We touched it
Speaker 8: down the back, tied the transistor up and call the
Speaker 8: horses up to be fed, and we white woot them down,
Speaker 8: you know, clean their feet out and everything.
Speaker 11: The horses went berserk.
Speaker 8: If you just imagine under the board walking all of
Speaker 8: those really noisy.
Speaker 2: Yeah they were dancing horses.
Speaker 8: Yes, they just stood there and didn't turn their hair.
Speaker 8: And everyone said what drugs did give? It should nothing
Speaker 8: because if you win, they can take urine from your course.
Speaker 2: Well yeares that's right, taking tests and they do and
Speaker 2: they did. Yeah.
Speaker 8: I had a lot of a lot of fun. So
Speaker 8: I'm just telling me some of the fun they had
Speaker 8: good old days back in the Little Leaf. And here
Speaker 8: we are now, what two thousand and twenty five, and
Speaker 8: they're still over there fighting and killing each other.
Speaker 2: They've been doing it for a long time now. Yep.
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to tell me back then
Speaker 2: that they lived pretty much the same as everybody else
Speaker 2: in the Western world. But then, of course seventy nine
Speaker 2: the Aya Toler and his mob took over and it
Speaker 2: became very different.
Speaker 8: Now that wasn't too good.
Speaker 2: No, indeed, Pat, thank you for calling.
Speaker 8: I enjoy listening to you. You're an amazing man. I
Speaker 8: just wish you were on a bit more.
Speaker 11: I love you boys, Thank you very much.
Speaker 8: You're are very very good at what you do. Thank
Speaker 8: you for keeping me going during the night by butte.
Speaker 2: Okay, see your Pat. I have eleven short texts here
Speaker 2: from Denise. Yes, I've read them, Denise. Denise was marveling
Speaker 2: at Pat's stories. Yeah, I was just curious. It struck
Speaker 2: a bit of a chord with me talking about the
Speaker 2: Fancy Saddle because my granny way back. The people who
Speaker 2: were making I think it was the Ned Kelly movie
Speaker 2: with Mick Jagger. Anyway, it was one of the original
Speaker 2: Ned Kelly movies, and the people making the movies the
Speaker 2: movie came to see my granny, knowing of the arguments
Speaker 2: that had been had between her would have been her grandfather,
Speaker 2: I guess, and the Kelly gang. And along the way
Speaker 2: they noticed that Grannie had kept a lot of stuff
Speaker 2: that goes on horses, you know, harnesses and saddles and
Speaker 2: all that kind of thing. So I guess it was
Speaker 2: authentic to the era, and the film people said, oh,
Speaker 2: can we take that to make the movie. We promised
Speaker 2: to bring it back, but of course, being film people,
Speaker 2: they never did so I'm not sure exactly how fancy
Speaker 2: the saddles and things were this year, but as I say,
Speaker 2: I guess they were representative of the era, and the
Speaker 2: film people took them and put them on film. I
Speaker 2: don't know what they did with them after that. I mean, seriously,
Speaker 2: what would you do with it? But they didn't give
Speaker 2: it back to Granny. Jeffrey has sent me an email.
Speaker 2: By the way, if you'd like to send me an email,
Speaker 2: just send it to Overnights at twogb dot com. And
Speaker 2: I know this program goes on lots of other stations
Speaker 2: besides TGB. But that's the one that they use for
Speaker 2: emails for this program, Jeffrey from Beverly Hills, Not the
Speaker 2: US one. The other one, says Hi Mike. America was
Speaker 2: not built by slaves working on some cotton fields, but
Speaker 2: by successive waves of white European, Irish and British migrants. Likewise,
Speaker 2: the cohort most responsible for building modern Australia was not
Speaker 2: convicts but postwar migrants, says Jeffrey. I mean, yeah, I
Speaker 2: take your point. You do see stuff that the convicts
Speaker 2: built a course, but yes, it's very different from that.
Speaker 2: But on the whole slavery thing, I mean, seriously, all
Speaker 2: that stuff about the Lima Agreement and we're going to
Speaker 2: outsource the industry to the emerging nations, the biggest one
Speaker 2: being China, and then they will lift their standard of living.
Speaker 2: You remember all that stuff, and they'll be just like
Speaker 2: the Western world. Yes, look at how that's worked out.
Speaker 2: But to my mind, that was always just outsourcing the
Speaker 2: slavery because a T shirt made in China was so
Speaker 2: much cheaper than a T shirt made in Australia, or
Speaker 2: making anything in Australia. For example, the amount of GDP
Speaker 2: that we get from manufacturing that we export is so tiny, tiny, tiny.
Speaker 2: But my position is, ultimately, okay, it cost us more
Speaker 2: to make stuff here because we paid people more in wages,
Speaker 2: but it was proportional the amount of money those people
Speaker 2: got for making whatever it was. Okay, we protected it
Speaker 2: with tariffs, and then we did away with all the tariffs. Oh,
Speaker 2: look at how that's working out now. My point is
Speaker 2: it was proportional. People got enough money, was what they
Speaker 2: earned was proportional to their ability to buy a house,
Speaker 2: for example. But we don't have any of that stuff now.
Speaker 2: So when it came to outsourcing the slavery and just
Speaker 2: relying absolutely on as a lady friend of mine a
Speaker 2: journal used to say, digging it out of the ground
Speaker 2: to make a fast buck. That's kind of paled a
Speaker 2: bit recently since the Chinese aunt is vigorous in the
Speaker 2: economy department as they used to be. And here we
Speaker 2: are with a whole lot of people very angry because
Speaker 2: they can't realize what used to be called the Australian dream.
Speaker 2: We will have some news for you too at the moment.
Speaker 2: We've got Wendy from Canon Vale. Hi, Wendy, what do
Speaker 2: you want to talk about?
Speaker 15: Hello? Hello, Hello, I just want to word folve you
Speaker 15: that I've got a granddaughter who's been diagnosed with ADHD,
Speaker 15: and I've put my foot down on any drugs being
Speaker 15: administered because work five years as a psychiatric clinic and
Speaker 15: if a child is diagnosed with a mental disease, they
Speaker 15: stay like it right through to adulthood for the rest
Speaker 15: of their lives. Drugs do no help whatsoever. They actually
Speaker 15: stop the child's brain from developing.
Speaker 2: Right, So, how's this going down with the parents.
Speaker 15: Oh, very well, my grandmughder takes notice of me.
Speaker 2: Right, And so your granddaughter is the one that's been
Speaker 2: prescribed the drugs.
Speaker 15: Oh her daughter?
Speaker 2: Oh, her daughter, says your great granddaughter.
Speaker 15: Yeah, that's right, right.
Speaker 2: And how old is the little girl has been prescribed
Speaker 2: the drugs.
Speaker 15: I think five. The brain is still developing. You can't
Speaker 15: give a child drugs. And also it's a long term treatment.
Speaker 15: Reason why why ADHD is escalating and so many children
Speaker 15: are being diagnosed. It's a cash cow for the doctors
Speaker 15: and the drug companies.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, So you say it doesn't work and it
Speaker 2: retards the brain development of the child, Yes, okay, And
Speaker 2: you've observed this yourself and it's you're very strongly of
Speaker 2: that opinion. Yes, okay.
Speaker 15: And I think that all people should be awake to
Speaker 15: the fact that doctors are business men and they've got
Speaker 15: to make a living, and so have the drug companies.
Speaker 15: And they may prescribe something, and so long as it
Speaker 15: doesn't kill the patient, they keep on doing it.
Speaker 2: As long as it doesn't kill the patient, they keep
Speaker 2: doing it. I suppose there's not much point in prescribing
Speaker 2: it if the patient's dead.
Speaker 15: No, but I'll tell you a joke which has a
Speaker 15: great deal of truth in it. There you go on,
Speaker 15: and this about a doctor went on holiday and left
Speaker 15: his newly graduated son, who was a doctor in charge
Speaker 15: of each clinic. When he came back, the sun was elated.
Speaker 15: He says, Oh, gee, dare I've cured missus Murphy's ulcer
Speaker 15: and the doctor ship white. Do you realize Missus Murphy's
Speaker 15: ulcer put you through medical school?
Speaker 2: I see, all righty, thank you, Wendy.
Speaker 15: Okay, good bye, bye bye.
Speaker 2: David says, good morning and hello to everyone in Australia.
Speaker 2: From everyone at the Chugan Billiards Club in hang to
Speaker 2: Shanghai and China. Please look at your email for photos
Speaker 2: of the Chew Gang billiards club that Chris said he
Speaker 2: had a look at the emails and hasn't seen any photos.
Speaker 2: You get any photos, Dale, Dale's indicating something. I have
Speaker 2: no idea what it meant. He seemed to be pointing
Speaker 2: to his own head and moving the fingers around. What
Speaker 2: does that mean? Dale's lost his mind yet? What he's
Speaker 2: trying to tell us? Anyway? Dale's investigating. He is an
Speaker 2: anonymous one from a correspondent who says, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Oh he was printing it out. I see, okay, all
Speaker 2: the pictures. Oh, I haven't got time to do it now,
Speaker 2: but I'll do it after the news. Also the anonymous
Speaker 2: comment about Donald Trump and what I'll say now is
Speaker 2: here is the news.
Speaker 1: Now on two GB four B and network stations. Back
Speaker 1: to our spray your overnight with Mike Jeffries, Good morning.
Speaker 2: Welcome along, have just joined us. Why would you just
Speaker 2: join us at this hour of the morning. You finished work,
Speaker 2: you're going to work, you just woke up from a
Speaker 2: bad dream. I don't know, Jeff says, good morning. The
Speaker 2: sliding doors moment here in Australia is when Bob Hawk
Speaker 2: decided to use monies put aside for the Jack Gordon
Speaker 2: Beale Works program by Malcolm Frasier. For other things, no
Speaker 2: dams or flood watered diversion was entered into. Some flood
Speaker 2: victims can't even get insurance. Yeah, I see those stories.
Speaker 2: Now they should be thanking Bob Hawk and the Labor
Speaker 2: Party for their situation and other subsequence people who were
Speaker 2: subsequential people had their hands on the leavers, like the
Speaker 2: wonderful Daniel Andrews. If we build a dam, it won't
Speaker 2: make it rain. Been a lot of rain since Daniel
Speaker 2: said that if we had some dams, if we'd built
Speaker 2: some dams instead of spending all that money on desalination plants.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 2: We blame that on people like Tim Flannery who said
Speaker 2: it's hardly going to rain at all. What was it
Speaker 2: The rain not only won't fill the dams, the earth
Speaker 2: will be so dry the earth won't even soak it up,
Speaker 2: or something like that. But because it hasn't worked out
Speaker 2: that way at all at all. But then you wonder whether,
Speaker 2: well there were special arrangements made behind the scenes to
Speaker 2: build a dam desalination plants. That's dam with an end.
Speaker 2: We should have been building the other kind, the one
Speaker 2: that don't have an N on the end. But we
Speaker 2: haven't done that. Yeah, and we could have. I thought
Speaker 2: this is interesting. This is on the front page of
Speaker 2: the Camber Times. You know, Elbow's going on about Amazon.
Speaker 2: They're going to spend all this money on AI here
Speaker 2: in Australia, and of course they're doing the full suck
Speaker 2: up to the government by saying, oh, yes, it will
Speaker 2: be powered by renewables. Really really anyway, Campra Time's got
Speaker 2: a story adding up. They say the true value of
Speaker 2: the public services exclusive agreements with IT giants exposed Right
Speaker 2: tech deals misreported. This is their front page story. Agencies
Speaker 2: are obscuring the full amount they spent with global IT
Speaker 2: giants by misreporting deals worth hundreds of thousands of dollars
Speaker 2: with the tech behemoths under confidential hold of government agreements.
Speaker 2: The new figures come as an independent review of the
Speaker 2: agreements are in their final stages and could recommend significant
Speaker 2: changes to the secretive deals. Analysis by The Camber Times
Speaker 2: of oz tender data shows that in the last financial year,
Speaker 2: the Commonwealth signed contracts worth just shy of two hundred
Speaker 2: million dollars with IBM, Amazon Web Services, Microsoft, SAP and
Speaker 2: Oracle that were not listed as being procured under the
Speaker 2: single seller arrangement with each of the global technology companies.
Speaker 2: This is despite the agreements enabling agencies to access significant
Speaker 2: discounts due to the huge sums the Australian government spends
Speaker 2: with each of the firms. In one example, the Department
Speaker 2: of Employment Workplace Relations published a nine point seventy five
Speaker 2: million three year contract with Amazon Web Services last week
Speaker 2: without indicating the contract was procured under the whole of
Speaker 2: Government agreement between the Commonwealth and Amazon. Well who would
Speaker 2: have thought. And of course we also have the situation
Speaker 2: of the guy from Amazon sucking up with the game.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, no, we understand that Australia doesn't have a
Speaker 2: nuclear industry, even though at other Amazon plants they're making
Speaker 2: sure that that's available to them. But renewables are going
Speaker 2: to do it here. I don't see that. I really
Speaker 2: really don't see that. But anyway, if you would like
Speaker 2: to give me a call or send me a text
Speaker 2: or an email, you're certainly welcome to do that. Let
Speaker 2: me read you some of the texts here. Denise says,
Speaker 2: a bit of convicts and migrants worked very hard and
Speaker 2: wanted to make Australia AU great, says Denise. Yes, some
Speaker 2: of them did work hard, no question about that. Maybe
Speaker 2: not willingly, but they did. Here's the anonymous one I
Speaker 2: started to read before the news, but then events intervened.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, it says must have spent over one hundred
Speaker 2: million dollars of taxpayers money on his dictator parade and
Speaker 2: all the time playing golf. If our Prime minister did that,
Speaker 2: he would be kicked out of office, even by his
Speaker 2: own party. Do you think do you think Prime Minister
Speaker 2: is a cunning little fellow when it comes to playing
Speaker 2: internal politics external I'm not so sure, but internally he
Speaker 2: knows how to do it. And David, thank you for
Speaker 2: sending us the photo of the interior of the chew
Speaker 2: Gan Billiards Club in hang To Shanghai and China. And
Speaker 2: yes they're pictures of billiard tables and lights and somebody
Speaker 2: playing billiards. Is that you, David playing billiards there? Yeah,
Speaker 2: thank you very much for that. What I'd like though,
Speaker 2: and this is, you know, just to keep the team happy. Chris,
Speaker 2: who works with me on the program, was very interested
Speaker 2: in tracking down the billiards club, but he can't find
Speaker 2: anything about it. So could you send us a photo
Speaker 2: of the exterior, you know, does it have a nice
Speaker 2: neon sign saying chew gan billiads something like that, you know,
Speaker 2: for him, and it says yes, Michael, I just woke up.
Speaker 2: How did you know? Well, it's a gift. It's a gift, Anna,
Speaker 2: and I said, so, Hi, my hugs to you. Thank
Speaker 2: you for the hugs. Not happy. I fell asleep before midnight.
Speaker 2: Now you have to come back on tonight again to
Speaker 2: make it up to me. Lots of cuddles, says Anna.
Speaker 2: Thank you Anna for the hugs and cuddles. And you know,
Speaker 2: I believe the plan is for Phil to be on
Speaker 2: tomorrow night. However, we have a plan for after these commercials.
Speaker 2: Watches I have mentioned on this program before. I do
Speaker 2: like watches. There's something about watches. A second generation watchmaker
Speaker 2: is just about to close up at Neutral Bay, even
Speaker 2: though he's been a watch repair and jewelry shop there
Speaker 2: for fifty three years. His name's Nick Pearson. He's been
Speaker 2: good enough to give us some of his time. Good morning, Nick,
Speaker 2: thanks for doing this.
Speaker 9: Now that Mike, how are you?
Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you. When it comes to watches,
Speaker 2: men in particular seem to like watches. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that women don't. I've mentioned in the past over the years,
Speaker 2: I've given the occasional lady friend to watch, but I
Speaker 2: know deep down it's because I like watches, not necessarily
Speaker 2: that's what she wanted. So what's the fascination with watches?
Speaker 2: Do you think because there's such remarkable mechanical devices.
Speaker 5: Or what is it?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 13: I think so, and I do agree with you that
Speaker 13: men seem to be more attracted to watches and collecting
Speaker 13: watches than the ladies are. I do have ladies that
Speaker 13: do have their watches, but the guys seem to go
Speaker 13: in for them.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 13: I guess it's a little bit like them liking to
Speaker 13: collect cars and so on. But a lot of men
Speaker 13: don't wear a lot of jewelry. I don't wear jewelry,
Speaker 13: but I love my watches, and I think mechanical watches
Speaker 13: are more attractive to guys that like to collect watches
Speaker 13: as well. Some people like battery powered watches, but mechanical watches,
Speaker 13: I guess, are more traditional with their mechanisms.
Speaker 2: Yes, there's so much going on in there in such
Speaker 2: a small space. I think that's a large part of it.
Speaker 2: I did have a accompaniment to an iPhone for a
Speaker 2: while until the iPhone fell out of my pocket and crashed.
Speaker 2: So I've gone back to wearing watches again, and it's
Speaker 2: sitting in the drawer with the other watches. But there's
Speaker 2: been some very expensive watches over the years. Tom Brady,
Speaker 2: you know, the famous quarterback in the US. He was
Speaker 2: seen out the other day where a watch worth seven
Speaker 2: hundred and forty thousand US dollars. It was. Let me
Speaker 2: see if I've got this right, a Caviat turbion.
Speaker 16: M h.
Speaker 2: It seems like a fairly decent price for a watch.
Speaker 10: Well it does.
Speaker 13: Yeah, Look, I'm not familiar with that particular watch, but
Speaker 13: I think the turbion may refer to the type of
Speaker 13: escapement in the watch, the mechanical escapement. I'm not familiar
Speaker 13: with his watch. Whether the price tag is related entirely
Speaker 13: to the mechanism. Sometimes watches gold with diamonds and so on,
Speaker 13: and that can make up a large part of the
Speaker 13: value of the watch. But certainly some of the more
Speaker 13: well some of the more prestigious mechanical watches and can
Speaker 13: be very valuable. A lot of them are one off,
Speaker 13: and a lot of them, I guess come closer to
Speaker 13: being made by a watch maker. I mean, the term
Speaker 13: for a tradesman that fixes watches is a watchmaker. That's
Speaker 13: what I am, a watchmaker, but I've.
Speaker 16: Never made a watch.
Speaker 13: Yeah, there's some nice watches out there.
Speaker 2: Would you like to do that? Would somebody pay you
Speaker 2: to make them a bespoke watch?
Speaker 13: Oh goodness, I wouldn't have the time, I mean to
Speaker 13: do that. You you would need to be really well
Speaker 13: practiced with your machinery and so on, and it would
Speaker 13: take a lot of practice. You know, you'd have to
Speaker 13: be doing it over and over again and have access
Speaker 13: to some really top line production stuff to get the
Speaker 13: job done.
Speaker 9: I think.
Speaker 2: On the subject of the expensive watch, there's one of
Speaker 2: Ibilli to leave half a dozen roll exes that used
Speaker 2: to belong to Paul Newman that's sold at auction for
Speaker 2: depending on what story you believe, either fifteen point five
Speaker 2: million dollars or seventeen point eight million dollars. It's Daytona Rolex.
Speaker 2: But you're the expert, you tell me. But I'm guessing
Speaker 2: part of that price would be because it belonged to
Speaker 2: Paul Newman and it has an inscription on the back
Speaker 2: from his wife, and you know Daytona he's about because
Speaker 2: you know he took up motor racing in his latter years,
Speaker 2: and there's an inscription on the back of this particular
Speaker 2: watch that says drive safely me. That would be his wife,
Speaker 2: Joanna Woodward. But that's a pretty decent price. Whether it's
Speaker 2: fifteen point five million or seventeen point eight there's.
Speaker 13: Not much difference between those two when you're getting up
Speaker 13: into that league. Yeah, look, rocks. A lot of the
Speaker 13: rolicses are. There's a lot of brands that are collectible
Speaker 13: for different reasons, but certainly the fact that he owned
Speaker 13: it would bump the price up and roles to sort
Speaker 13: of have a tendency. I think more recently they restrict
Speaker 13: I mean the age of that one makes it collectible,
Speaker 13: and the fact that Paul Newman owned it, but maybe
Speaker 13: tend to restrict supply and push the market and the
Speaker 13: value of their watches in that way. I have heard
Speaker 13: of not one hundred percent that they're getting into possibly
Speaker 13: secondhand watches themselves.
Speaker 2: So do people ever come to you. There's a quaint
Speaker 2: story A lady I know told me a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago. She's very well off herself, but as somebody
Speaker 2: who we could charitably describe as a colorful Sydney identity
Speaker 2: to impress her, apparently had a whole lot more diamonds
Speaker 2: put around the bezel of his rolex. Do you ever
Speaker 2: get that kind of request?
Speaker 13: Look, I don't know. People would go to a lot
Speaker 13: more high for looting establi establishments than mine to have
Speaker 13: that sort of work done. I mean that sort of
Speaker 13: work is the job of a jeweler to set diamonds
Speaker 13: into a watch?
Speaker 3: No, I'm more.
Speaker 13: Repairs, restoration, stainless stainless steel. I don't work. I mean
Speaker 13: I have serviced gold watchers, but I don't work with
Speaker 13: them in that way to put diamonds on them.
Speaker 5: Know.
Speaker 2: Anyway, The punchline to the story was she scoffed at
Speaker 2: it because she thought it was crass, and so it
Speaker 2: didn't work for him.
Speaker 13: Aha, it doesn't always work.
Speaker 2: No, apparently not. But the kind of work that you do,
Speaker 2: I mean, is it draining? Or you've done it for
Speaker 2: fifty three years? Do you love it? Somebody said somewhere
Speaker 2: your second generation?
Speaker 12: Is that right?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 13: Look, I haven't done it for fifty three years. The
Speaker 13: shop has been in operation for fifty three years. Okay,
Speaker 13: and Swiss fellow started the shop in seventy two. I
Speaker 13: started working for him in eighty nine. I worked alongside
Speaker 13: him and then we were into partnership, and then when
Speaker 13: he retired, my wife and I bought the business. So
Speaker 13: I did my trade in country New South Wales with
Speaker 13: my father in Waldot and I started my apprenticeship in
Speaker 13: eighty two and that went through to eighty six. So
Speaker 13: I've been added for what's that forty three years.
Speaker 2: It's still pretty decent innings.
Speaker 13: It is a decent innings, yeah, but I really do
Speaker 13: enjoy the work. I don't know if I it'd say
Speaker 13: it's draining. I guess the long hours are draining, which
Speaker 13: is part of the reason why, well, the main reason
Speaker 13: why we've closed the shop. It's not because we're not busy.
Speaker 13: I'm absolutely flat out. I've got that much work that
Speaker 13: I can't keep up with it. I've do long hours,
Speaker 13: and my wife and I've reached the stage in life
Speaker 13: where it's time for us to slow down a little bit.
Speaker 13: We do a thirty kilometer commute each way each day
Speaker 13: and the time is just right, you know. We've got
Speaker 13: more years in the rear view mirror than we coming
Speaker 13: at us through the windscreen. So it's time for us
Speaker 13: to start to get a little bit more leisure in
Speaker 13: our life.
Speaker 2: I don't have one of those great collections like some
Speaker 2: guys you know that have a whole sideboard full of watches.
Speaker 2: But I've got a few, and I mentioned to you
Speaker 2: before we actually started recording, I've got one that I
Speaker 2: bought at auction and I didn't pay much for it.
Speaker 2: But since I bought it, a couple of watchmakers told me, oh,
Speaker 2: you've got to watch here that's got a Rolex movement.
Speaker 2: And I didn't realize that had anything to do with Rolex,
Speaker 2: And like I say, I just bought it at auction
Speaker 2: for not a great deal. On the other hand, I've
Speaker 2: got a watch that I really like the look of
Speaker 2: It looks really fancy to me, and I took it
Speaker 2: to a watchmaker. I said, I think this needs attention.
Speaker 2: It stopped and he said, ah, it's because the movement
Speaker 2: is rubbish. I said, what do you think I should
Speaker 2: do with it? He said, give it to the children
Speaker 2: to play with. But it was really still got it
Speaker 2: because I like the look of it. But it's a
Speaker 2: really well known brand, and I'm surprised to hear the
Speaker 2: guy say the movement is rubbish. So does that mean
Speaker 2: you can't always be sure even though it says the
Speaker 2: brand on the front of the watch of what you're
Speaker 2: getting inside.
Speaker 13: I guess another possibility is that it might be a
Speaker 13: replica or a copy right, and so you might get
Speaker 13: the brand on the dial saying it is such and such.
Speaker 13: But then when the watchmaker opens it, or not even
Speaker 13: needing to open it, sometimes you can't tell from the outside,
Speaker 13: but as soon as you look inside, you know that
Speaker 13: the movement is as described by that watchmaker.
Speaker 2: Perhaps I know somebody in this business. He and I
Speaker 2: are not great mates, but a couple of things he's
Speaker 2: done do make me laugh. He was at lunch with
Speaker 2: somebody who said, and I noticed this. With people who
Speaker 2: knowingly buy a copy of an expensive watch, they feel
Speaker 2: obliged to tell you. Maybe that's because they don't want
Speaker 2: you to think they were taken in by it. Anyway,
Speaker 2: this fellow said, look at this, it's a rolex. You
Speaker 2: can't tell the difference from a real one. And the
Speaker 2: guy I know had a real one, and he said,
Speaker 2: look at this, and he got two glasses of water,
Speaker 2: and he put his real Rolex in one glass and
Speaker 2: the imitation Rolex in the other glass. One of them
Speaker 2: kept on ticking, the other didn't.
Speaker 13: That's possible, he Look, the imitation watches come in varying
Speaker 13: lacks of quality, you can put it that way. Some
Speaker 13: of the imitations maybe water resistant, some of them may
Speaker 13: ask that. Yeah, the quality of a copy watch varies
Speaker 13: from very poor to better.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Nick, there's no doubt, as we've discussed that people
Speaker 2: like watches, particularly men people, and I guess they will
Speaker 2: continue to do so. And there's much more interest in
Speaker 2: a mechanical watch than there is in the kind that
Speaker 2: comes with your eye, although they do good things as well.
Speaker 13: I guess they have their place.
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, but you're not giving up that you're selling
Speaker 2: up the shop. Why are you selling the shop? It's
Speaker 2: being developed to something the whole more.
Speaker 13: No, look, Neutral Bay is under a redevelopment. I don't
Speaker 13: know if you'd call it a cloud. That's just progress
Speaker 13: living in the city and the need for accommodation, I suppose.
Speaker 13: But there's a lot going on in Neutral Bay that
Speaker 13: my wife and I had made this decision regardless of
Speaker 13: what was going on around it around us. For us,
Speaker 13: it's just time for a change. It's not because we're
Speaker 13: not busy. I'm absolutely flat out at work, as I said,
Speaker 13: So it's more a matter of us just needing to
Speaker 13: slow down and enjoy leisure in our lives rather than
Speaker 13: just working all the time. The shop's busy, it's got
Speaker 13: a loyal clientele, we've got fantastic customers. We're going to
Speaker 13: miss it everyone. It's just time for us to make
Speaker 13: a change. The other thing I guess is that having
Speaker 13: to tend the counter and serve the customers, I can
Speaker 13: spend all day doing small repairs and looking after customers,
Speaker 13: and then I've got a lot of work to do
Speaker 13: servicing and repairing. When I start working at home in
Speaker 13: my workshop, I won't get any interruptions and I'll be
Speaker 13: able to get lots and lots of work done, so
Speaker 13: the turnaround time for anyone that wants to use my
Speaker 13: services will be a lot quicker, and I'll get to
Speaker 13: go for a ride on my pushbike in the morning,
Speaker 13: or go for a coffee with my wife, or walk
Speaker 13: the dog, rather than getting up at four am every
Speaker 13: day to jump in the car to drive from Winston
Speaker 13: Hills to Neutral Bay.
Speaker 2: Sounds like a plan. I wish you well with it. Nick,
Speaker 2: thanks for coming on the program.
Speaker 13: Thanks Mike all the best.
Speaker 2: Thank you Nick Peers. In the second Generation Watchmaker some
Speaker 2: watch Talk, Bruce says, I bought my Pulsar watch in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five and it hasn't missed a beat. I
Speaker 2: would only have an analog watch, brackets, none of this
Speaker 2: digital stuff. I don't think I've got my first watch.
Speaker 2: I so pleased to get it. It was an automatic
Speaker 2: you know, when you move your wrist, it automatically wines,
Speaker 2: and yeah, I was very happy to get it. Judy
Speaker 2: says I love watches and have ten. I even have
Speaker 2: my mum's first watch. She saved money when she was
Speaker 2: twenty one bought a first watch. It's small, gold and
Speaker 2: rectangular and has a mother of pearl face and a
Speaker 2: gold chain band. Still keeps good time. My mum would
Speaker 2: have been one hundred and two now, okay, It's nice
Speaker 2: memory to have of your mum. Judy Ben says aDNA
Speaker 2: watches formerly Roma is It Roma, have been a Brisbane
Speaker 2: icon since nineteen seventy three. On Something to and Chris
Speaker 2: says Mike, as you quoted Daniel Andrews, as we build
Speaker 2: dams that want to make it rain. We have a
Speaker 2: desalination plant costing over six hundred million dollars per year
Speaker 2: on maintenance that Labor government built that's not yet been
Speaker 2: put into service. We'll probably age and get decommissioned without
Speaker 2: ever delivering a drop of water. This is what labor
Speaker 2: calls a good investment, says Chris from Laylaw. We really
Speaker 2: ort to pay more attention the people that we let
Speaker 2: put in positions where they can spend our taxpayer dollars.
Speaker 2: It ain't good, Judy says. I'm listening because I wake
Speaker 2: up at two forty five, glad to hear your voice.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Judy for the kind words. Philip, Exactly what
Speaker 2: are you referring to here? That's what you call a weasel?
Speaker 2: Are you talking about the the guy before that the
Speaker 2: neighbors turn his power off and then spit That's what
Speaker 2: he said. Because I'm thinking about that. I mean, isn't
Speaker 2: that something where you call the cops your neighbors are
Speaker 2: turning power off. That isn't the sort of thing you
Speaker 2: should have to put up within a reasonably civilized society.
Speaker 1: And now on Overnight's Entertainment with Alex First.
Speaker 5: Help you.
Speaker 2: Always a good cause, letting us entertain you. Alex First
Speaker 2: as a film, theater and entertainment reviewer and editor of
Speaker 2: I Tell You What I Think dot Com? Good morning,
Speaker 2: How are you?
Speaker 11: I'm well, indeed, and I'm excited because I've seen probably
Speaker 11: the best shark movie since yours.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a big call, it is, and it's.
Speaker 11: An aussy movie. I just think that is brilliant, because
Speaker 11: what do you think about yours? And all these years later?
Speaker 11: It was so influential, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, I remember when I went to see it,
Speaker 2: and I'm not one much for horror, but it was
Speaker 2: just good. Well, what can you say? But it was
Speaker 2: just fun good cheap thrills.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah it was.
Speaker 11: But it was so well made yep as well, And
Speaker 11: it's funny. There are movies that stick with you and
Speaker 11: you'll never forget that.
Speaker 16: This was one of them.
Speaker 11: I remember it scares the living, but Jesus out of
Speaker 11: you when you see it. I mean, Steven Spielberg got
Speaker 11: a great director, he is anyway, But the performance. You
Speaker 11: think about the names, Roy Scheider, Robert Shaw.
Speaker 12: Richard Drave, Yes, that really made it.
Speaker 2: You talk about the scary aspect though I don't know
Speaker 2: whether she was just doing it to humor me, but
Speaker 2: I suspect maybe it did stay with her. One of
Speaker 2: the wives I used to sneak up on her and
Speaker 2: go da da da da dah it and she'd say,
Speaker 2: don't do that.
Speaker 5: Well, that's the other.
Speaker 11: Thing about if you get this right, the scores stays
Speaker 11: with you, and this one did.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 11: Look, there's been a lot of other shark movies, and
Speaker 11: then there've been spoofs like Shark Nado.
Speaker 2: That was fun.
Speaker 12: That was fun.
Speaker 11: I agree, And having said that, a lot of people
Speaker 11: don't want to go to the cinema to get scared.
Speaker 11: So there's a decision here when I'm going to talk
Speaker 11: about Dangerous Animals, which is the movie that I'm referring to.
Speaker 11: It's rated with very good reason, and it's got a
Speaker 11: nice running time of ninety eight minutes, so big, big
Speaker 11: picks as far as that's concerned. But you imagine Jaws
Speaker 11: meets Dead Calm, the Nicole Kidman movie, right, and then
Speaker 11: you add steroids, and that's what you get with Dangerous Animals,
Speaker 11: and the direction the script is terrific, but the direction.
Speaker 2: Is really what makes this okay.
Speaker 11: So the Australian act Jy Courtney is just so damn good. Really,
Speaker 11: I suppose you make a name for yourself if you're
Speaker 11: a good baddie. And that's what Gy Courtney is here,
Speaker 11: positively chilling. He plays as roll as a Gold Coast
Speaker 11: charter boat operator by the name of Bruce Tucker, and
Speaker 11: he specializes in taking tourists out the sea and dry
Speaker 11: helping them into the ocean in a shark proof cage
Speaker 11: to watch these apex predators up close and personal. Now,
Speaker 11: I don't know, is that something that you could ever
Speaker 11: contemplate doing. I think it'd be scared witless, but a
Speaker 11: lot of people would get.
Speaker 6: Off on it.
Speaker 11: I don't know, would you do that?
Speaker 2: I did that to a contributor on the Breakfast program
Speaker 2: I was running way back. I put him in the
Speaker 2: shark tank at Manly Aquarium as it was then.
Speaker 11: Really and how was the experience for the person?
Speaker 2: Well, it certainly generated a lot of interest.
Speaker 11: I was going to say a change of clothing. Perhaps.
Speaker 11: Having said that, we basically witness what this character Bruce
Speaker 11: Tucker does when a couple of people who tourists won
Speaker 11: a Canadian and the other a brit They take the
Speaker 11: plunge and they were going.
Speaker 3: To go to Sea World.
Speaker 11: I mean they missed the boat, so to speak, and
Speaker 11: they decided to try this whole operation with the charter
Speaker 11: boat operator. Anyway, there's more to this guy than meets
Speaker 11: the eye. And that's when you get the introduction of
Speaker 11: an American, a strong world American called Zephyr. I kind
Speaker 11: of like that name.
Speaker 2: Z Thyr used to be a car whee all craved
Speaker 2: called Afford zephyrt.
Speaker 11: Correct, yeah, exactly, played by Hasse Harrison. And she's a
Speaker 11: loaner with quite a harsh background and she's trying to
Speaker 11: sort of well leave behind the bad experiences in America.
Speaker 11: She's come out to Australia to serve and she has
Speaker 11: a chance meeting with a real estate salesman called Moses
Speaker 11: played by Josh Houston, and he's trying to buy some
Speaker 11: jumper leeds to start his car, and Zephyr is kind
Speaker 11: of wary of him, but in time she warms to
Speaker 11: him and the pair ends up making out. Now she's
Speaker 11: not looking for any tie. She, as I said, is
Speaker 11: a loaner and she leaves before dawn after the two
Speaker 11: have got together, so she hits the road battered camper van,
Speaker 11: that's what she calls home in Australia, and she leaves
Speaker 11: Moses without so much as a goodbye. The next thing
Speaker 11: you know, she's prevailing upon this shutterboat operator Bruce Tucker
Speaker 11: before daylight. What's called a fin key. Now, if you're
Speaker 11: not a surfer, you screw fins into the tail of
Speaker 11: the surfboard. That's why you need a fin key.
Speaker 5: And that's when the real drama.
Speaker 11: Begins in Dangerous Animals, because the seemingly affable Tucker is
Speaker 11: anything but he is in fact a serial killer who
Speaker 11: likes trapping women and feeding them to the sharks.
Speaker 2: Hmm, it seems like you've trouble.
Speaker 11: To go too, but yeah, well yeah, all the while
Speaker 11: filming their agonizing final moments, you don't right. And Zephyr
Speaker 11: fortunately is a real fighter who, despite the position in
Speaker 11: which she is in, she isn't going to go down
Speaker 11: without an almighty struggle. And that's what makes Dangerous Animals
Speaker 11: such a good film. And the writer is a guy
Speaker 11: called Nick Leopard, and it's quite an outrageous screenplay. So
Speaker 11: this is not conventional and it benefits from all these
Speaker 11: twists that just keep on coming, which I love. So
Speaker 11: you think the first hour is twisted, but you ain't
Speaker 11: see nothing yet wait for the last forty minutes, is
Speaker 11: all I can say. And it really pushes the boundaries.
Speaker 11: It's far fetched, yes, it's preposterous, yes, but there's much
Speaker 11: about it that is original. It's creative and I love that.
Speaker 11: And the acting is really good. I've already said Courtney
Speaker 11: is terrific. I mean he orchestraates well, that the character
Speaker 11: he plays, he orchestrates kills with a.
Speaker 2: Smile on his face.
Speaker 9: And how else can I put this?
Speaker 11: He takes pride in his work. Now, a lot of
Speaker 11: people have turned off around about now.
Speaker 2: I get that, but I don't know that there will
Speaker 2: be people who will really like to go see this.
Speaker 2: So on the horror films go or what do you
Speaker 2: give it?
Speaker 11: Well, I was going to say, Hattie Harrison's really potent
Speaker 11: and highly pragmatic as the loaner Zephyr, and she sort
Speaker 11: of brings attitude to Burn, So look good on the
Speaker 11: director Sean burn Milk the radical conceit for all Agaan,
Speaker 11: and the tension is palpable. I reckon this is really
Speaker 11: it's provocative and grizzly, so seven and a half, maybe
Speaker 11: even pushing an eight out of ten from movie that
Speaker 11: is going to appeal to some. It's right at Ma
Speaker 11: again ninety eight minutes.
Speaker 2: Dangerous animals, dangerous animals. I was thinking about your question
Speaker 2: of me, you know, sending the guy to the shark
Speaker 2: tank and the manly aquarium. Would I do it myself?
Speaker 2: Let me just say this to you, Alex. It was
Speaker 2: a good day for me in my life when I
Speaker 2: learned to delegate. Now what about materialists?
Speaker 11: Well, how difficult? And you can answer this, how difficult
Speaker 11: is it to find your perfect match?
Speaker 2: Ah? Gee, I don't know you have a perfect Do you.
Speaker 11: Have a perfect match? That's the first question.
Speaker 2: Well not at the moment, but I suppose over the
Speaker 2: years I have had, But you know they weren't forever
Speaker 2: perfect matches.
Speaker 11: And that's the point. So look, if you to buy,
Speaker 11: if you were to buy into the conceit of materialists
Speaker 11: in rateed one hundred and seventeen minutes, then you're basically
Speaker 11: using the term shark again. It's a shark pool out there,
Speaker 11: and finding mister Omer's right is the stuff of nightmares.
Speaker 11: And that's why they turned to this matchmaker Matchmaker Extraordinary
Speaker 11: called Lucy played by Dakota Johnson. She really is a
Speaker 11: smooth operator in this space, and she's got a great
Speaker 11: track record, good patter, and the firm that she works
Speaker 11: for has just celebrated her ninth marriage of couples that
Speaker 11: she's matched and her boss recognizes a talent for bringing
Speaker 11: people together. She though, is thirty five years of age
Speaker 11: and single in spite of everything that she does for others,
Speaker 11: and she's basically only prepared to hitch her wagon as
Speaker 11: the expression goes to somebody who is uber wealthy, Oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 11: And so at the wedding of a ninth match she's
Speaker 11: hit upon by a debonair rich guy. He's a financier
Speaker 11: played by Pedro pescal and he happens to be the
Speaker 11: brother of the groom, and although she is determined to
Speaker 11: keep her distance, he woos her and the two do
Speaker 11: get it together. At the same time, she bumps into
Speaker 11: her ex of five years, whom she hasn't seen for ages,
Speaker 11: and this is played by Chris Evans, and he's a
Speaker 11: struggling theater actor who just gets by taking hospitality jobs.
Speaker 11: And one of those happens to be at this wedding,
Speaker 11: and he lives in this tiny, dirty apartment with a
Speaker 11: couple of roommates who don't respect each other's personal space. Now,
Speaker 11: Lucy broke up with Lucy's the character played by Dakota
Speaker 11: Johnson broke up with the Chris Evans character because he
Speaker 11: was and remains poor. But there's still a spark between
Speaker 11: them then, and this is the kicker among those for
Speaker 11: whom Lucy's finding it hard to find a soul mate
Speaker 11: is a thirty nine year old woman. And then something
Speaker 11: happens to this woman that shatters her and also Lucy,
Speaker 11: and trying to deal with that is going to test
Speaker 11: both of them. So the first film by this director
Speaker 11: and writer, her name is Celine's Song was a ripper.
Speaker 11: It's called Past Lives. You haven't seen it well worth
Speaker 11: seeing its original and it looked and felt real, and
Speaker 11: it dealt with childhood friends reuniting many many years later
Speaker 11: as adults. I'm afraid I found Materialist less convincing. It
Speaker 11: took a while to settle and actually to take off,
Speaker 11: and even though there were some light bulb moments, and
Speaker 11: certainly there were, overall I thought it was slow, It
Speaker 11: was awkward, ultimately too long. It didn't need to be
Speaker 11: a couple of hours, and the dialogue sounded like a
Speaker 11: series of feel good cliches. Nor was I convinced by
Speaker 11: the characterizations of any of the major players. They sort
Speaker 11: of It felt like a try hard movie, if that
Speaker 11: makes sense. And my biggest criticism is that this movie
Speaker 11: never really settled on what it wanted to be. Either
Speaker 11: a hard drama, a rom com, may be a straight
Speaker 11: out love story. So it had elements of each of them,
Speaker 11: and it lurched from one to another and then back again. Now, Okay, I'm,
Speaker 11: of course a middle aged white guy. I get that,
Speaker 11: so maybe I'm not the right target audience. But in fairness,
Speaker 11: I generally like chick flicks, which this one is, and
Speaker 11: I like it probably more than the next bloke. You know,
Speaker 11: I kind of get off on some of these. But
Speaker 11: I'm not saying don't see the material. Is what I'm
Speaker 11: saying is when you went to the cinema to see it,
Speaker 11: a level of healthy cynicism is not a bad thing
Speaker 11: to take in there, and then you can appreciate elements
Speaker 11: of it. And it was kind of fascinating to me
Speaker 11: because I spoke to a number of others who saw
Speaker 11: it with me at a media preview, and they enjoyed
Speaker 11: it much more than I did. I just, I just
Speaker 11: it was such a strong opening film for Celene Song,
Speaker 11: the first movie that you kind of have expectations of
Speaker 11: the second one, and this doesn't quite live.
Speaker 12: Up to it.
Speaker 2: Okay, what did you give it? In the end?
Speaker 12: Look?
Speaker 11: Probably a six to six and a half out of
Speaker 11: ten for some materialists. M rated one hundred and seventeen minutes.
Speaker 11: Not a bad film, but not what I would call
Speaker 11: a great movie.
Speaker 2: Okay, Alex, we'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 12: Always good to talk.
Speaker 11: And go out and see a movie if you haven't
Speaker 11: seen one for a while. Don't just sit at home
Speaker 11: and watch it on streaming. You know, support the cinemas.
Speaker 2: Alex is a film, theater and entertainment reviewer and editor.
Speaker 2: I tell you what I think. Dot com good morning.
Speaker 2: We will have the news for you at three o'clock
Speaker 2: Australian Eastern Standard time. May not apply to all listeners
Speaker 2: that time. Here's something If only Dale had known about this.
Speaker 2: You know, Dale was with Crooked during the week, but
Speaker 2: he's better now. He says he could have gone to
Speaker 2: this Filipino healer. She treats sick people with pit viper bites.
Speaker 2: It seems a bit cruel, isn't it. I mean, you're
Speaker 2: already not feeling well, and then you go to this
Speaker 2: person to be cured and you get, as part of
Speaker 2: your treatment, bitten by a venomous pit viper. Her name
Speaker 2: is Rosalio Kulit, also known as Dautu Canandag among his
Speaker 2: fellow Minobo tribe members in Surigao del Norte and Mindanao,
Speaker 2: a controversial, no kidding HeLa who uses viper venom to
Speaker 2: treat various ailments. He claims he only discovered the curitive
Speaker 2: properties of snake venom by accident, after being bitten by
Speaker 2: one of his pet pit vipers many years ago. At
Speaker 2: the time, he was battling several illnesses, but just days
Speaker 2: after being bitten by the snake, he felt a lot better,
Speaker 2: so he deduced the bite had cured him. Maybe all
Speaker 2: the viruses just gave up. God can't compete with his stuff.
Speaker 2: This viper venom, the pit viper Latin name tropidi lemus supernalutus.
Speaker 2: I know you really needed that to take notes. Venom
Speaker 2: ever since has made a name for himself as a
Speaker 2: snake healer. There's a picture here of a pit viper.
Speaker 2: It doesn't look like it's got your best at heart.
Speaker 2: He's I think I've confused my quirkies here. This seems unfair.
Speaker 2: A huge alligator has been cited for suspicion of being
Speaker 2: a dinosaur in North Carolina. I thought they were dinosaurs.
Speaker 2: I thought they'd been around that long. A North Carolina
Speaker 2: Sheriff's office assisted with the capture of a nearly four
Speaker 2: hundred pound alligator and joked that the reptile was cited
Speaker 2: for suspicion of being a dinosaur without proper papers. Man,
Speaker 2: It's getting tough in the US, isn't it. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: told you about a comic I wanted to come on
Speaker 2: the program, but he's going to the US and he
Speaker 2: doesn't want to say anything that might anyway be used
Speaker 2: against him, like appearing on the radio or the shock jock.
Speaker 2: I guess the Onslow County Sheriff's Office said on social media.
Speaker 2: The deputies responded alongside North Carolina Wildlife Resources personnel when
Speaker 2: the prehistoric purp unquote was caught loitery near the double
Speaker 2: yellow line on an Old thirty road. It is a
Speaker 2: pretty big beast, got a giant mouth and jaws. I mean,
Speaker 2: I know you expect that to some extent, but this
Speaker 2: one seems to be an extreme example. The alligator, dubbed
Speaker 2: Pepe by the Sheriff's office, was estimated way between three
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty to four hundred pounds. I've forgotten what
Speaker 2: that is in metric, but it's a lot. The nearly
Speaker 2: ten foot reptile, yeah I know what ten foot is,
Speaker 2: more or less, has been sucided for suspicion of being
Speaker 2: a dinosaur without proper papers, public loitering with intent to sunbathe,
Speaker 2: and obstructing traffic. The Sheriff's offace said they're wags, aren't they.
Speaker 2: In the North Carolina Sheriff's Office officials write the alligator
Speaker 2: was safely relocated with no injuries to humans or reptiles. Well,
Speaker 2: that was a nice result. His way to spend your life.
Speaker 2: A Swiss man has been buried in snow for two
Speaker 2: hours to break a world record. He put his cold
Speaker 2: endurance to the test and broke a Guinness World record
Speaker 2: by spending more than two hours buried in the snow
Speaker 2: while wearing only his swimming trunks.
Speaker 3: MM hmm.
Speaker 2: His name is Sir Elias Meyer, a competitive powerlifter, said
Speaker 2: he decided to take on the title for the lowest
Speaker 2: time spent in direct full body contact with snow after
Speaker 2: discovering no one had yet cracked the two hour mark.
Speaker 2: The previous record, said by a Polish man Valre and
Speaker 2: Romanovski in twenty twenty two, stood it an now forty
Speaker 2: five minutes and two seconds. So this guy, wearing only
Speaker 2: the swimsuit, was buried under a mound of snow for
Speaker 2: two hours and seven seconds. He said. The col bothered
Speaker 2: him less than the weight of the snow pressing down
Speaker 2: on him. The heavy snow pressed me down, caused my
Speaker 2: shoulders and elbows to ache. Perhaps you feel a sharp
Speaker 2: ice cube against your back with no chance to do
Speaker 2: anything about it, You can only be thankful for everything,
Speaker 2: he wrote on Instagram. Like I say, I mean, it's good.
Speaker 2: He's wasting his life.
Speaker 1: Now on two GB, four BC and network stations. Go
Speaker 1: back to us right you're overnight with Mike Jeffrey.
Speaker 2: Good morning. Here's a text from Susan says, this morning,
Speaker 2: Mike enjoining your show this morning as always. Thank you Susan,
Speaker 2: so glad you and dale On and that shark movie
Speaker 2: sounds like a comedy, really pretty grim comedy, if that's
Speaker 2: the way you see it. The shark movie sounds like
Speaker 2: a comedy. Well, I suppose depends what you see as
Speaker 2: being amusing women being ripped apart by sharks. Maybe JJ
Speaker 2: would like that. Listen to this, JJ, You know JJ
Speaker 2: sends in texts here he's talking about the viper treatment.
Speaker 2: Bitten by a viper Mike. Surely it couldn't be any
Speaker 2: worse than being kissed by an unfaithful woman, says JJ.
Speaker 2: What are you telling us, JJ, that there's been heartbreak
Speaker 2: in your past that's left you broken and angry?
Speaker 6: Or you.
Speaker 2: Just confusing your Shakespeare? You know the phrase how sharper
Speaker 2: than a serpent's tooth it is to have a thankless child?
Speaker 2: That's from King Lear. But you knew that.
Speaker 5: JJ.
Speaker 2: I also says, buried a nice mike to keep his
Speaker 2: mind busy for a couple of hours that he was buried.
Speaker 2: This fellow might have recited wordsworth trip up Mount Snowden
Speaker 2: in his prelude, I mean book the fourteenth. Thus, in
Speaker 2: one of those excursions made their near fade from remembrance
Speaker 2: through the Northern tracts of Cambria, ranging with a youthful friend.
Speaker 2: I left Bethel Glert's huts at couching time and westward
Speaker 2: took my way to see the sunrise from the top
Speaker 2: of Snowden. Beth Gelert. That's a good name. I'm not
Speaker 2: familiar with that piece, JJ, but you know me, I
Speaker 2: did leave school at fifteen. Not my idea, but I
Speaker 2: kind of agree though. What was that movie Night Crawler?
Speaker 2: And one of the characters in that who went from
Speaker 2: being a small time criminal to providing horror stories for
Speaker 2: a tabloid TV show said of this age, it's all
Speaker 2: out there if you want to go look for it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I agree with that, Yes, etc. Yes, all right, thank
Speaker 2: you for that, jah Jay.
Speaker 17: How about this?
Speaker 2: These Chinese Shanghai authorities recently moved a traditional Sheikerman style
Speaker 2: building complex at a pace of ten meters per day
Speaker 2: with the help of an army of four hundred and
Speaker 2: thirty two hydraulic powered robots. The headline is Chinese city
Speaker 2: moves entire historic neighborhood using hundreds of hydraulic legs. The
Speaker 2: Hawanli complex, located within xiang Yuan in Shanghai's Jing'an district
Speaker 2: has been touted as China's largest relocation project of its
Speaker 2: ti kind, both in terms of size and complexity. The
Speaker 2: tight layout of the building complex, which dates back to
Speaker 2: the twenties and thirties, made traditional construction and relocation tools
Speaker 2: virtually unusable. But authorities need to weigh to move the
Speaker 2: entire block several hundred meters for the construction of a
Speaker 2: three story underground structure, it required all sorts of advanced
Speaker 2: technology that allowed the team in charge to temporarily relocate
Speaker 2: the seven half thousand metric ton four thousand thirty square
Speaker 2: meter building complex. So they used these hydraulic jacks, hydraulic legs.
Speaker 2: Like the headline says, they use building information modeling in
Speaker 2: point cloud scanning technologies to create detailed three D blueprints
Speaker 2: and goes on and on with engineering detail. Speaking of
Speaker 2: engineering detail, I kind of look forward to this. You know,
Speaker 2: some of the car parks I use are reasonably accessible.
Speaker 2: You know, they're wide enough, others not so much. Not
Speaker 2: much room to open the door, even on the medium
Speaker 2: sized sedan, and you've got to get in and out,
Speaker 2: and there's not a lot of room to do that.
Speaker 2: And there are other people who are trying to do
Speaker 2: similar things. But now the South Korean car manufacturing giant
Speaker 2: Hyondai has developed an intriguing parking robot that can park
Speaker 2: your car better than any human valet ever could. Car
Speaker 2: companies have invested billions of dollars into advanced automated parking
Speaker 2: solutions to really human drivers of this stress of parallel
Speaker 2: parking or backing up into tight spaces. Some systems have
Speaker 2: turned out better than others, but unless you were willing
Speaker 2: to pay a fair bit extra for an advanced system,
Speaker 2: you're stuck with your own human parking skills. But what
Speaker 2: if there was a way to have your old or
Speaker 2: cheap car parked automatically without even having to keep the
Speaker 2: engine running. Yondo's developed an ingenious parking robot that can
Speaker 2: glide under virtually any kind of car, lift its wheels,
Speaker 2: and then park it perfectly in a designated parking spot. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm with them. I think that that's a good idea.
Speaker 2: Jeffrey from the non US Beverly Hills says, when I
Speaker 2: saw the trailer for the Shark movie, I thought it
Speaker 2: was a comedy too. Okay, well maybe you know. It
Speaker 2: depends on what makes you laugh. Did you think it
Speaker 2: was a comedy, he said to Dale, his associate.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 2: He shook his head, which, of course is a gesture
Speaker 2: that always works well on the radio. A couple of things.
Speaker 2: Before you adopt your National Days persona, adopting your film
Speaker 2: critic persona, you can understand why a listener thought that
Speaker 2: the what's it called the animals movie? Yeah, Dangerous Animals,
Speaker 2: Dangerous Animals was a comedy.
Speaker 17: Look, I don't know. It certainly doesn't it's certainly not
Speaker 17: a comedy. But Jai Courtney in it, who plays the
Speaker 17: serial killer, is such a congenial. But also he looks
Speaker 17: like he's having so much fun doing the nasty things
Speaker 17: he's doing. Maybe the trailer shows him like with the
Speaker 17: big you know, the big laugh and the big smile
Speaker 17: on his face while he's doing these nasty deeds. About
Speaker 17: the only thing I can think of, because I had
Speaker 17: seen the trailer only probably only in the last week,
Speaker 17: and it started the Thursday, and it was only a
Speaker 17: couple of days beforehand. I saw the trail and thought, oh,
Speaker 17: this looks interesting because it's beautifully photographed. It's and the
Speaker 17: like the shark footage, and that is quite good. It's
Speaker 17: no like animatronics and things. They there's only I do
Speaker 17: want to go into too much detail. There's there's one shot.
Speaker 17: I think, oh that looks a bit dodgy, but otherwise
Speaker 17: it looks terrific.
Speaker 2: Hmm, okay, but not a comedy.
Speaker 17: No no no, speaking of that, well, no no no,
Speaker 17: we'll see no no cat thinks it's no no for
Speaker 17: a comedy too.
Speaker 2: Well, Mick was asking, whereas the no no cat just
Speaker 2: heard Mike's clearest no no, no ever and no cat
Speaker 2: that we did bring it in non queue there with
Speaker 2: dale por no no cat.
Speaker 17: Well, I'm no longer with us.
Speaker 2: I'm a bit worried about this, this cat that I'm
Speaker 2: minding for a lady friend, because it was so happy.
Speaker 2: You know those little oil column heaters. I turned on
Speaker 2: one of those in the cat discovered it's such a
Speaker 2: lovely warm spot. It's so happy being near the heater.
Speaker 2: And when I came into work, I thought, well, I
Speaker 2: leave it like that. No, I don't burn the house down,
Speaker 2: and so I turned it off. But it takes a
Speaker 2: while for it to cool down. But I'm thinking of
Speaker 2: the poor cat. So a li'll slowly cool down and
Speaker 2: the cat will think, why have you deserted me in
Speaker 2: my hour of need.
Speaker 17: Our heads are pretty safe, though, I mean, you certainly
Speaker 17: wouldn't leave one of those bar heaters on. I wouldn't know, no,
Speaker 17: But then again, I wouldn't leave a heater on if
Speaker 17: I wasn't in the house.
Speaker 2: Well, that's for the sake of the cats. I'd be tempted,
Speaker 2: That's what I thought. I mean, the cat seem so happy.
Speaker 2: I was tempted. But in the end I thought, no
Speaker 2: safety provided. No, no, no, no, no, We've had enough
Speaker 2: no notice for the moment. Let's have this National Days
Speaker 2: brought to you by Tim Tams.
Speaker 17: Nothing goes down better in the middle of the night
Speaker 17: than a beautiful Tim.
Speaker 2: Tam and a nice cup of tea. So you got
Speaker 2: some National Days.
Speaker 17: Oh Fudge Fudge Day, Yes, today's Fudge Day can be
Speaker 17: closed fudge because it's funny the term of fudge. When
Speaker 17: something goes wrong with your fudge, something it actually ties
Speaker 17: in with how it came about.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 17: Yeah, but you know there's a lot of eyes like fudge.
Speaker 17: There used to be a when I worked at road
Speaker 17: show down at Darling Harbor, when they actually had a
Speaker 17: big shopping thing down at Darling Harbor, they pulled it
Speaker 17: all down. Now, there was a little fudge shop there
Speaker 17: and it had samples, so we used to unobtrusively during lunchtime,
Speaker 17: just walk past and then walk back again five minutes.
Speaker 2: Oh, Nick, your fudge.
Speaker 17: Oh yeah, but the fudge a really good fudge. You
Speaker 17: wouldn't want to eat too much of it anyway. You
Speaker 17: have to eat it in tiny bits because it's just
Speaker 17: so so sweet.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 17: But according to legend, Mike, a confectioner loved while trying
Speaker 17: to make Carroll but ended up creating something just as tasty,
Speaker 17: which is obviously turn out to be fudge. The fudge
Speaker 17: originates from a messed up batch of camels, since the
Speaker 17: name so the actually, oh fudge, I messed this up.
Speaker 17: Oh this is actually pretty good. Have you ever tried
Speaker 17: to make fudge? I take it.
Speaker 11: No, no, no, but no no.
Speaker 2: Fudge can come in different forms. I mean you can
Speaker 2: get fudge topping, oh yeah, and you can get more
Speaker 2: solid fudge. Oh yeah.
Speaker 17: I tried to make fudge one time. I had some big,
Speaker 17: huge bag of marshmallows that were on sale at Wilworth
Speaker 17: and I said, oh, oh, I like marshmallows so they
Speaker 17: were sitting there for ages and then I thought, oh,
Speaker 17: how can I make in the fudge? Because I knew
Speaker 17: that was one of the recipes. So I used I
Speaker 17: always get this wrong chat TPG or tea Chi, I
Speaker 17: can't remember which one of these. I used that to
Speaker 17: give me a fudge recipe, and.
Speaker 6: It was.
Speaker 17: It tasted great, but it didn't turn hard. It still
Speaker 17: was sort of like you pick it up and a
Speaker 17: gat like bendy floppy. Oh yeah, I still tasted good though.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we're not stroying into one of those TV ads.
Speaker 17: No, definitely not. Okay, Yeah, but it was in eighteen
Speaker 17: eighty six that's when fudge originates from the messed up
Speaker 17: batch of caramels which I mentioned. Eighteen eighty six, a
Speaker 17: fudge sold in Baltimore at forty cents a pound for
Speaker 17: the first time. That was the first time it was
Speaker 17: ever sold. So in eighteen eighty six eighteen eighty nine,
Speaker 17: the first fudge shop opens in Mackinac Island in Michigan,
Speaker 17: and nineteen oh six ice cream parlor C. C. Brown's
Speaker 17: in Hollywood is credited for inventing the hot fudge Sunday
Speaker 17: and that's one of the things I do, in Joe,
Speaker 17: if I get a McDonald's.
Speaker 2: You know you talk about you like your biscuits.
Speaker 17: I do, and I'm off them again. No, I haven't
Speaker 17: had any tonight, I swears. I like these little sponge
Speaker 17: things with some kind of filling in them. Jam the
Speaker 17: little round one one like a rolly thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they've got this clear white sort of filling
Speaker 2: in them. Anyway. They're called ginger kisses.
Speaker 17: Oh where do you get them? I don't.
Speaker 2: That's a supermarket. But when I can't find them, I
Speaker 2: feel a bit sensitive about a grown man saying, excuse me,
Speaker 2: where are the ginger kisses? Right here?
Speaker 17: Sweet here? Now here's one you should do, Mike, you
Speaker 17: should have done today. And I always wish I had
Speaker 17: have done this. It's take your cat to work day.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, sir, I could have done that.
Speaker 17: I suppose, yes, I could have because it's nice and
Speaker 17: warming here. It's toasty woman, that's true.
Speaker 2: It would have been happy in here, I guess.
Speaker 17: Yeah, I don't know how. I don't know if I
Speaker 17: would have. I always thought when I was very much
Speaker 17: attached to my last cat. In no way, and I
Speaker 17: don't have a cat or Mick, I don't have another cat.
Speaker 17: I always felt it would have been nice to have
Speaker 17: Bord along because she was such a good cat. She
Speaker 17: just loved being anywhere I was. She was very coomfortable
Speaker 17: being there because she was a bit like a dog.
Speaker 17: But I don't know if I've ever heard of anyone
Speaker 17: ever doing this, because I think there's also likewise, there's
Speaker 17: a taking dog to work day, and I don't think
Speaker 17: anyone's done that. For a while, there was one of
Speaker 17: the workers here who is no longer here. I won't
Speaker 17: mention her name, but she I think it was on Fridays,
Speaker 17: and I only discovered this when I was working on
Speaker 17: the night program over summer. She had her dog in here,
Speaker 17: but the dog left something behind.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think it would have worked with this cat,
Speaker 2: because this cat wants constant attention. It's one of those cats.
Speaker 2: If you're talking to somebody on the phone, it comes
Speaker 2: up and wants to head butt you and say what
Speaker 2: about me?
Speaker 5: Me?
Speaker 7: Me?
Speaker 2: So if it came in here and I'm talking on
Speaker 2: this thing, it'd be you know, what about me?
Speaker 5: Me?
Speaker 6: Me?
Speaker 2: And it'd be headbutting and like a pone and me
Speaker 2: and purring and yeah. So I don't know if it
Speaker 2: would have succeeded.
Speaker 17: Yeah, I might mention. Also sorry it left the treat
Speaker 17: right beside Clinton made Heart's desk. I made sure I
Speaker 17: got rid of it. Say Clinton didn't have to do it.
Speaker 2: Oh I see, Okay, Susan's as I had the best
Speaker 2: ever fudged little shop in York in England. Very nice.
Speaker 2: Those poems can make make fudge. Mick says. How these
Speaker 2: cats got the better off as a warm bed e
Speaker 2: meal and keep the noise down. Very shifty, says Mick.
Speaker 2: Jerry says, okay, Jerry. Ginger kisses were popular on Gilligan's Island.
Speaker 2: Wum tish Jerry from Sutherland. Yes, oh yes, did you
Speaker 2: brightened up an adolescent's day? Indeed?
Speaker 17: But Marianne got the most male, did she? She did? Indeed,
Speaker 17: I think it would have been because I think it
Speaker 17: was the way they I heard it mentioned in It
Speaker 17: was in a documentary I saw it said that they
Speaker 17: wanted to date Ginger, but they wanted to marry mary Anne.
Speaker 17: She was the marrying kind. The cats were domesticated back
Speaker 17: around ten thousand BC that we use as vermin control
Speaker 17: during the rise of agriculture three thousand and five BC.
Speaker 17: Ancient Egyptians. They love their cats, mic they were very
Speaker 17: keen on cats. Bastet, their goddess of warfare, had a
Speaker 17: cat head. I never heard of Bastet, and I know
Speaker 17: quite a bit about the culture of Egypt and little bastets. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 17: And in two thousands, cats rule thirty four percent of
Speaker 17: US homes. That's around ninety million domesticated cats entertaining owners
Speaker 17: around the country. I imagine that would be very sort
Speaker 17: of a similar percentage here, lots of cats. Yeah, Aberist
Speaker 17: Appreciation Day. Don't you really appreciate your arborist?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: When I was in primary school, we had to venerate
Speaker 2: arbor Day or something. Oh yeah, is that the same thing.
Speaker 17: Well, I must have probably had something to do with.
Speaker 17: But we show appreciation of these unsung heroes of tree cultivation, maintenance,
Speaker 17: and management. I suppose in non botanical gardens, I imagine
Speaker 17: they'd have professionals go through there and check out the trees.
Speaker 2: I suppose, So, yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 17: I don't think she was an aborist, but I told
Speaker 17: her this story. Was it last year? Got a knock
Speaker 17: on the door and I went out there hill Rump,
Speaker 17: who was waking me up and there was a tree
Speaker 17: that had come down out front and crashed in in
Speaker 17: front of my house. I slept through it, and the
Speaker 17: councilwoman was there, and they just wanted to let me
Speaker 17: because it was right across my fence, against my house
Speaker 17: and against where I was sleeping. But I didn't totally oblivious.
Speaker 17: It didn't cause any damage.
Speaker 2: Yes, I the housewms with lots of big trees about him.
Speaker 2: My mother was always worried they're going to fall in
Speaker 2: the house. So me and the boys took a photo
Speaker 2: of us leaning against the trees to keep the house
Speaker 2: safe well and sent it to mother. I don't know
Speaker 2: whether that calmed to fears.
Speaker 17: I probably did, But in this case, the woman was
Speaker 17: actually this is what the guys who ended up coming
Speaker 17: around to cut up the tree told me. The woman
Speaker 17: was there inspecting the trees and it actually fell down
Speaker 17: while she was inspecting it.
Speaker 2: Tim, I know those trees.
Speaker 17: Yeah, But anyway, the original of oh god, a bora culture,
Speaker 17: A bora culture, Am I saying that word right?
Speaker 2: I'm probably med?
Speaker 17: Yeah, traces back to ancient times. It was infertile Crescent
Speaker 17: that the first trees were cultivated in Mesopotamica. In Egypt.
Speaker 17: Owing to migration and trade exchangers, techniques in aberriculture were
Speaker 17: developed and the profession spread throughout Europe. The date palm
Speaker 17: tree was the first to be cultivated in the Middle
Speaker 17: East because of the popularity of its sweet fruit. By
Speaker 17: six thousand BC, Mike Asia began cultivating olive trees, which
Speaker 17: became so popular they reached North Africa through trade. Discovery
Speaker 17: of olive trees as producing oil became a vital part
Speaker 17: of ancient civilization in Italy. So you know, looking after
Speaker 17: trees is a good thing. I've just got a trouble
Speaker 17: with my mulberry tree. I keep cutting it back. I
Speaker 17: stupidly can't seem to get rid of it, Mike, because
Speaker 17: I feel bad about chopping down a tree. So I
Speaker 17: chop it back every summer, and then of course it
Speaker 17: sprouts up and.
Speaker 2: There it is again. Yeah you remember stan Ze Manik. Oh, Yeah,
Speaker 2: stan had a very nice house on the northern side
Speaker 2: of the spit. And for people who can't picture Sydney,
Speaker 2: beautiful area, it's a beautiful area overlooking this big patch
Speaker 2: of water. And anyway, there was this tree, a giant
Speaker 2: conifer of some confer obscuring stands view and he wanted
Speaker 2: to cut it down to the council said no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: no no no. They said, where's the cat. We'll wait
Speaker 2: for the cat. Yeah, all right, thank you cat. Anyway,
Speaker 2: so picture this giant triangular shaped tree yep, right obscuring
Speaker 2: Stan's view. Not allowed to cut it down. So what
Speaker 2: he did was he got an arborist probably I don't
Speaker 2: if it was on the appropriate day, and about one
Speaker 2: third up the tree, he cut all the branches off.
Speaker 17: Oh so it's got a nice little ball spot.
Speaker 2: So it had the top and then it had the
Speaker 2: bottom that you could see through the tree. Oh, it's nice.
Speaker 2: It worked.
Speaker 17: It was a win win for everyone, I suppose. Yes, yes,
Speaker 17: I think we need a break.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dom says arborist day a day celebrating men with
Speaker 2: no teeth and to charge like wounded bulls. Fascinating, she is, Dom,
Speaker 2: What does that mean? I don't know.
Speaker 17: Maybe he's had an arborist and they didn't have any teeth.
Speaker 2: Denise says, I love trees. Sharon says high Mike and Dale,
Speaker 2: is there cat jackets that you know of? My cat
Speaker 2: is outside. Thank god it's not snowing. Yes, I don't
Speaker 2: like hair everywhere, says Sharon, worried about her cat being cold.
Speaker 2: But most cats, I know it's smart enough to keep
Speaker 2: their given fur coats. Oh, yes, indeed, I think they're Okay.
Speaker 2: I have seen I have seen a cat in.
Speaker 17: A little coat. I think it'd be hard to keep
Speaker 17: it on it.
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't think they'd take a world of clothing,
Speaker 2: but anyway. Sharon also says tries Summer Rolldale Summer Roll Newgar.
Speaker 17: Oh they're nice.
Speaker 2: You will love it. Okay, so bothered me here one time,
Speaker 2: and I scoffed quite a few. Susan also says Dale,
Speaker 2: don't get rid of the Mulbury tree. They're so tasty.
Speaker 2: I think mulberry pie and jam et cetera. They cost
Speaker 2: a bomb at the shops.
Speaker 17: Yeah, I know, but it also attracts the bats. I
Speaker 17: did when the tree was a lot bigger, before I
Speaker 17: really hacked it back. I did take a big, big,
Speaker 17: big bowl of Moulbery's down when my mum was still around,
Speaker 17: and I think her neighbor made a pie out of it.
Speaker 17: It was the last time we.
Speaker 2: Had that mulberry pie. But Mulbury's kind of decline as
Speaker 2: the tree gets older, because when the tree is young,
Speaker 2: they're great, big, slightly tart berries, but they get smaller,
Speaker 2: and when the tree is quite old, they're really small
Speaker 2: and kind of sickly, so they only have a certain time. Yes, anyway,
Speaker 2: we'll take a break National Days with Dale. What do
Speaker 2: you go on?
Speaker 17: And it's fresh Veggies Day, Mike. I like this day.
Speaker 17: I try if I get the opportunity, and I did
Speaker 17: this on the weekend. I go down to Patty's Market
Speaker 17: to stock up on quite a few things. I had
Speaker 17: a custard apple yesterday.
Speaker 2: I ate that you don't like them.
Speaker 17: I'm going to try and keep the seeds and see
Speaker 17: if I can grow them. I sort of reasonably easy
Speaker 17: to sort of wrap them up in paper. Wait from
Speaker 17: this brown.
Speaker 2: They are on the list of things that I don't
Speaker 2: like because we had such a glut of them when
Speaker 2: I was a kid in Pasland.
Speaker 17: Oh okay, now I haven't had one since I was
Speaker 17: a kid, and when on the Patty's market, I saw
Speaker 17: it and said, oh, I have one of those, because
Speaker 17: I haven't had.
Speaker 2: One for a while. But we had to eat all
Speaker 2: these things like mangoes, you know, because there were poor
Speaker 2: people in China who have mangoes.
Speaker 17: Oh yeah, I think I caught that when I was
Speaker 17: a kid. I'm not sure if I copped that with
Speaker 17: the tripe. Yeah, I probably didn't matter what I was
Speaker 17: threatened to with. I could sit there all night, I
Speaker 17: would not touch.
Speaker 2: The true Yes, well, mama, don't you put him in
Speaker 2: the back of the station wagon and take them over
Speaker 2: to the poor people in China?
Speaker 17: Oh lordy LORDI anyway, I do like fresh vegetables, and
Speaker 17: obviously a lot better than the if you get the opportunity,
Speaker 17: it's a lot better than getting the ones that are
Speaker 17: possibly put in cryogenic freeze.
Speaker 2: For a while. Watching my show the other day where
Speaker 2: a woman said she was telling the truth that she
Speaker 2: ate twenty five carrots to day, it seems like a lot,
Speaker 2: doesn't it.
Speaker 17: Twenty five carrots?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I do like carrots, but twenty five
Speaker 2: a day seems a lot.
Speaker 5: So do I.
Speaker 17: But if I like, if I ate one, I wouldn't
Speaker 17: feel like anyone for like months.
Speaker 2: Well, the amount she was eating she was going to
Speaker 2: skin went orange.
Speaker 17: That wouldn't surprise me. I've read that that actually does happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 17: maybe it's better than getting going and getting a Sun Tannery.
Speaker 17: Here's what I do like also, Mike, I have visited
Speaker 17: quite a few. I did quite a few in Canada
Speaker 17: and quite a few places. It's International Waterfall Day.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that sounds nice.
Speaker 17: Which beautiful I mean great place. I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 17: every way it's got it's great places to go and
Speaker 17: check out some waterfalls, whether it be the Blue Mountains
Speaker 17: or down in any of the national parks. But I've
Speaker 17: seen some beauties. I always remember in Utah, I was
Speaker 17: in a little town called Nephi. Me and my friend
Speaker 17: were traveling and the snow hadn't the snow was still around,
Speaker 17: and there was We asked, because I was visiting a
Speaker 17: friend that I'd previously met in Utah, you.
Speaker 2: Were visiting one of your four wives near one of
Speaker 2: those because they used to allow that back in the day.
Speaker 17: Yes, And so we asked where there were some waterfalls,
Speaker 17: told us where there were, and this was We ended
Speaker 17: up going in the waterfall and this was water which
Speaker 17: was melting off the mountains. We still had snows, so
Speaker 17: we got in the freezing cold water. Tangy then it was,
Speaker 17: but it was very very nice. But European explorers used
Speaker 17: to document the waterfalls they came across. In fourteen ninety three,
Speaker 17: Christopher Columbus wrote about Carbet falls in Guadaloupe Guada loop
Speaker 17: quite a loop, gua a loope, Yeah, Guada loopep, which
Speaker 17: could be the first waterfall Europeans recorded seeing in the Americas. However,
Speaker 17: geographer Brian J. Hudson suggests it was uncommon to specifically
Speaker 17: named waterfalls until the eighteenth century. But whatever they do,
Speaker 17: they're beautiful to look at, and I stop at every
Speaker 17: waterfall I see, Mike and take some nice little footage.
Speaker 2: Well, that are marvelous natural features.
Speaker 17: Now I can't the place I went on a cruise
Speaker 17: in New Zealand to go down and see these amazing waterfalls,
Speaker 17: which obviously most of them are caused by the snow
Speaker 17: melting off the mountains.
Speaker 2: What have you so?
Speaker 17: Yeah, Finally, Mike, it's World Sea Turtle Day. Is it
Speaker 17: this to raise awareness about the plight of the sea turtles?
Speaker 2: Mike?
Speaker 17: Did you know that every year about eight tons of
Speaker 17: plastic had dumped into our oceans. That's extremely hazardous the
Speaker 17: sea turtles, poor turtle, so much so that six out
Speaker 17: of eight marine turtle species are on the verge of extension.
Speaker 17: And they are delicious tur I my dad.
Speaker 2: I don't think I could bring myself to eat anything
Speaker 2: turtle sourced.
Speaker 17: No, no, I couldn't do that.
Speaker 2: I couldn't at all.
Speaker 17: But the only reason I've ever heard of turtle soup
Speaker 17: is because of Gilligan's Island, Okay, And I don't think
Speaker 17: even then. I don't think I would have eaten turtles.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 17: I can't imagine what of them taste like, but I
Speaker 17: can imagine that I wouldn't like the taste of it.
Speaker 2: So what do you tell me? They were going to
Speaker 2: visit the galapagus, and I said, be sure to give
Speaker 2: my regards to the turtles. Oh, they're pretty big apparently.
Speaker 17: Yeah, two shaped member, two shape turtle. No, that was
Speaker 17: a cartoon. It was one of the Hanniba bearer and
Speaker 17: had a turtle who had a sword. It was a
Speaker 17: two see away.
Speaker 2: A turtle was a toil. You don't expect that thing?
Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, foiled again. The decline in the turtle green
Speaker 17: turtle population. This is in the seventeenth century. They decline
Speaker 17: from ninety one million down to thirty thousand. That was
Speaker 17: possibly because they were hunted and eaten. I guess, so yeah, yeah,
Speaker 17: seventeenth century decline in hawks hawks bill turtles. The population
Speaker 17: of hawks bill turtle decreases from eleven million to less
Speaker 17: than thirty thousand, So there's a couple of different turtles
Speaker 17: that sort of finishing vanishing. Between tuesdayand and one and
Speaker 17: twenty eleven, the population of loggerheads that's another turtle in
Speaker 17: the North Pacific declines by about eighty percent, And in
Speaker 17: twenty fourteen, leatherback turtle nests increased from twenty seven only
Speaker 17: twenty seven in nineteen eighty nine to six hundred and
Speaker 17: forty one in twenty fourteen. So you've obviously gone about
Speaker 17: trying to rectify this decline in turtles.
Speaker 2: I've never really done anything for turtles, but I like
Speaker 2: to feel that I've done my bit for the training
Speaker 2: long neck tortoise. Oh yeah, because we used to keep
Speaker 2: the gloves in the car, the tortoise gloves to pick
Speaker 2: them up because they'd be there. You know, their defense
Speaker 2: against to be double running them over was to withdraw arms, legs,
Speaker 2: heads and tail and sit in the middle of the road.
Speaker 2: So I used to pick them up and take them
Speaker 2: and put them in the creek. And I've done so
Speaker 2: many in all humility. I like to think that I'm
Speaker 2: a god for the turtles. Oh you turtle savior, and
Speaker 2: they talk among themselves. Did the gloves come for you?
Speaker 17: But see turtles among the oldest creatures on Earth, Mike,
Speaker 17: having remained unchanged for one hundred and ten million years. Well,
Speaker 17: like Keith Richards, when you've got to design this week
Speaker 17: for you, white change. Yeah, like sharks. I suppose in
Speaker 17: a lot of cases they got a little bit smaller. Yeah,
Speaker 17: they pretty much have stayed the same. Like crocodiles as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, the crocodile accused to being a dinosaur in North Carolina.
Speaker 17: I think they are a dinosaur. Yeah, and good for
Speaker 17: when you talk about the dinosaurs disappearing. But you can
Speaker 17: look at certain critters that we're still used to seeing,
Speaker 17: like hippopotamus and stuff, and they look pretty prehistoric to me.
Speaker 2: They certainly do. And they'll bite you if you give
Speaker 2: them a half a chance. Yeah.
Speaker 17: A female turtle uses its rear flippers to dig nest
Speaker 17: hole and then lays about one hundred eggs. After laying
Speaker 17: the eggs, the turtle covers them up, camouflages and nest
Speaker 17: site before returning to the ocean.
Speaker 2: The job is nesting.
Speaker 17: Turtles may return to the nesting site for laying eggs
Speaker 17: several times and usually nest every two to three years.
Speaker 17: And obviously they do it in such abundance because not
Speaker 17: all of them make it. They might get down, they
Speaker 17: can eaten by a seagull.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, all right, thank you Mike. That's National Days
Speaker 2: with Dale. Thank you Dale. How to know if a
Speaker 2: relationship is worth it? How to evaluate your relationship? Somebody
Speaker 2: who's studied this is strategic psychotherapist Bronwin Penn Halligan. Good morning, Bronwin,
Speaker 2: Thank you for doing this.
Speaker 16: Pleasure happy to be here.
Speaker 2: So how can you tell if the relationship is worth it?
Speaker 2: You know, do you sort of evaluate by saying, well,
Speaker 2: I'm happy sixty percent of the time, eighty percent of
Speaker 2: the time, or I don't know, what do you suggest?
Speaker 16: Look, I think the really fun facts about relationships are
Speaker 16: that they are very fluid and very dynamic situations. So
Speaker 16: you know, every single day we're working with a whole
Speaker 16: bunch of different variables. Right, So kind of putting it
Speaker 16: into a framework whereby you know, your measuring or testing
Speaker 16: doesn't really work. We need to go a little bit
Speaker 16: deeper and start to think about the value sets of
Speaker 16: what's driving interactions and behaviors and start from that point.
Speaker 2: Okay, so what are the value sets? Can you give
Speaker 2: me a couple of examples?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 16: Absolutely, so. I think that one of the great places
Speaker 16: for start is how do I feel around being honest?
Speaker 16: And by being honest, I mean really truly honestly honest.
Speaker 16: And is that a safe thing for you to do
Speaker 16: in the relationship ship? Is it okay for you to
Speaker 16: give feedback or do you find that you're couching things
Speaker 16: in a certain way and posturing things in a certain
Speaker 16: way so as to avoid a conflict. That's typically a
Speaker 16: good place to start. And then the next piece is
Speaker 16: more around is the effort in the relationship a mutual things?
Speaker 16: So are we both initiating contact? Are we both working
Speaker 16: collectively on resolving conflict, making plans that kind of thing,
Speaker 16: Because sometimes if you're the person who's doing a lot
Speaker 16: of the over work holding it together, then you're not
Speaker 16: really in a partnership. You're more just managing the dynamic.
Speaker 2: I've done just a peculiar thing where one party regards
Speaker 2: the other quite literally as a good catch, but isn't
Speaker 2: happy what's going on?
Speaker 12: There.
Speaker 16: Well, I guess the moment's about being a good catch.
Speaker 16: It kind of comes down to, well, how are we
Speaker 16: measuring success? What does that look like?
Speaker 12: Yeah?
Speaker 16: And I guess for some people, you know, being a
Speaker 16: good catch person might simply be linked to what's available
Speaker 16: from a financial set or the extensions that they provide
Speaker 16: in the social life and that kind of thing. So again,
Speaker 16: it comes down to feeling as I am, I in
Speaker 16: something that feels equitable and where I feel like a
Speaker 16: priority or more of just an option.
Speaker 2: But I mean, isn't it a case of if the
Speaker 2: person ain't doing it for you, they're not really a
Speaker 2: good catch, even if you're comparing them to you know
Speaker 2: what the friends have. I've noticed a peculiar thing with
Speaker 2: males over the years who have been sufficiently wealthy, personable,
Speaker 2: whatever it takes to get a real beauty, and then
Speaker 2: when they're out in public, they spend their time denigrating
Speaker 2: the woman. That's weird, isn't it.
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 16: Yeah, that certainly doesn't sound like an invested and respectful
Speaker 16: interaction at all there, right, Because I guess you know,
Speaker 16: it's about thinking around, well, what is the purpose of
Speaker 16: partnership here? And if it's if what you're or what
Speaker 16: someone is looking to fulfill is to have essentially someone
Speaker 16: who looks really nice next to them in photographs. I mean,
Speaker 16: perhaps you know those value sets and being able to
Speaker 16: actually create a life together is feeling like less of
Speaker 16: a priority. Therefore, you know, the relationship would be fairly
Speaker 16: surface level. I would imagine.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's some kind of odd ego driven thing. I guess,
Speaker 2: either a self esteem thing or saying hey, look what
Speaker 2: I can get and it's nothing to me.
Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, look I think it's it is interesting. I mean,
Speaker 16: on one hand, to be the person that is, you know,
Speaker 16: feeling very much empowered and that I get to have
Speaker 16: my pick of all the flowers, so to speak, versus
Speaker 16: being the person that does feel like they're a flower
Speaker 16: that's been selected. Right, Because then what are you? I mean,
Speaker 16: you're going a wither as you age and perhaps not
Speaker 16: quite being competition all the time for making sure that
Speaker 16: you're saying still in good favor.
Speaker 2: As it were, you have a saying here, if it
Speaker 2: costs you your peace, it's too expensive. What do you mean?
Speaker 16: Yeah, I thought you'd ask about that, Mike. So this
Speaker 16: isn't more about emotional peace, So that kind that lets
Speaker 16: you feel safe and steady and like yourself. Like, all
Speaker 16: relationships have conflict, right, I mean that's part of what
Speaker 16: makes them challenging and helps us grow. So it doesn't
Speaker 16: have to be perfect. But if you're feeling like you're
Speaker 16: walking on eggshells or over explaining yourself, taking guessing your worse,
Speaker 16: I mean, that's what takes a toll there. And so
Speaker 16: while the right relationship will challenge you, it shouldn't be
Speaker 16: eroding you. And that's what you know, that kind of
Speaker 16: terminology of costing you your peace is what that's really about.
Speaker 2: Okay. I know somebody who told the kids that came
Speaker 2: with the man in her life when she married him,
Speaker 2: living with your father was like living within them exploded bomb.
Speaker 16: Oh wow wow? Okay, yeah, that would absolutely be the
Speaker 16: walking on actual analogy right there, right, waiting for what's
Speaker 16: going to happen next. And I think that's also what
Speaker 16: becomes quite difficult and challenging. And you know, when relationships
Speaker 16: aren't coming from that place of deep connection and that
Speaker 16: safety that I was talking about, Because if you feel
Speaker 16: that you can't be your true, honest, transparent, authentic self
Speaker 16: with your partner, well it's probably time to have a
Speaker 16: little bit of a think about, well, what else is
Speaker 16: this relationship costing me or what is this adding to
Speaker 16: my life?
Speaker 2: By the way, to the very best of my knowledge,
Speaker 2: there was no violence in the relationship. It was just
Speaker 2: a feeling kind of an attitude. But one of the difficulties,
Speaker 2: if I may say, is certainly, speaking from my side
Speaker 2: of the fence as a male, you have to kind
Speaker 2: of guess a fair bit.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 16: Yeah, Look, I think that the behavior patterns that we
Speaker 16: get into in our relationships, and not just intimate partner ones,
Speaker 16: but you know, in our friendship group, in our family settings,
Speaker 16: even in work environments, sometimes we do fall into certain
Speaker 16: behavior loops. And sometimes some people have, you know, essentially
Speaker 16: just been going through their lives with an avoidance when
Speaker 16: it comes to dealing with the hard stuff life, how
Speaker 16: it feels they don't want to lean into it. Perhaps
Speaker 16: they've had a couple of experiences with conflicts that have
Speaker 16: been really problematic, and so they're a little bit burned,
Speaker 16: so to speak, right, so they run that pattern of
Speaker 16: not wanting to speak up, not wanting to be clear
Speaker 16: about what they want or need, and then kind of
Speaker 16: just feeling a little bit surly or a little bit
Speaker 16: of kilter most of the time. Hence the I feel
Speaker 16: like I need to guess or imagine what someone might
Speaker 16: be thinking, wanting or needing from me here.
Speaker 2: Despite everything in this day and age, in the attitude
Speaker 2: we've been taking in this conversation, some people do actually
Speaker 2: manage to stay together for life, don't they.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 16: Absolutely, I mean to share with you, Mike, Literally tomorrow
Speaker 16: I will be celebrating my twentieth wedding anniversary with my husband.
Speaker 2: Well, great, congratulations, thank you very much.
Speaker 16: In the early forties, I think that's quite the coup, right, So,
Speaker 16: I mean, there are absolutely ways that you can choose
Speaker 16: to invest in yourself, choose to invest in your partner,
Speaker 16: in your relationship to do the work so to speak. Yeah,
Speaker 16: but it does, yes, and there's a commitment that needs
Speaker 16: to happen there to be able to make it work.
Speaker 2: Okay, you've got a plan for celebration.
Speaker 16: It will be probably a bit of a nice long,
Speaker 16: lazy lunch, but other than that'll be a little bit
Speaker 16: low key.
Speaker 2: I think this year, okay, strikes a chord with me
Speaker 2: because over the years I've disappointed some ladies who've done
Speaker 2: something special for me on an anniversary and one said,
Speaker 2: I put a lot of work into this, you don't
Speaker 2: seem to be enjoying it. So what can I do
Speaker 2: but say, Look, I may appear calm on the surface,
Speaker 2: but inside I'm a boiling vacivious of emosion.
Speaker 5: Look, I think.
Speaker 16: One of the things that we do, and I also
Speaker 16: encourage a lot of clients to take the opportunity to
Speaker 16: do this as well, is use the anniversary moments as
Speaker 16: a chance to pause and reflect on what's working, what
Speaker 16: needs a little bit more work, or what are the
Speaker 16: things that we just don't really need to keep doing anymore,
Speaker 16: I either things that aren't really all that awesome, and
Speaker 16: then literally dust off the five or ten year plan
Speaker 16: and see where are we based on where we thought
Speaker 16: we would be. So, what have we achieved, what are
Speaker 16: we working on? What are we excited about? It's almost
Speaker 16: like a bit of a strategy session takes communication. It does,
Speaker 16: it does, and also that real depth of connection and
Speaker 16: honesty to be able to be willing to hear the
Speaker 16: real feedback from your partner and to be able to
Speaker 16: share it as well in a format and a framework
Speaker 16: that you know it's coming from a place of love, connection,
Speaker 16: and wanting to achieve more together.
Speaker 2: Well, congratulations, I think that's terrific and thank you for
Speaker 2: coming on the program.
Speaker 16: Absolute pleasure.
Speaker 2: Sir Penhalligan is a strategic psychotherapist. Sharon says, lots of
Speaker 2: emergis here. I've been in a relationship like that. This
Speaker 2: is further the conversation I just had with Ronlin. Sharon says,
Speaker 2: I just want a peaceful, honest relationship, someone with guts
Speaker 2: and faith. Hashtags single, what is the emoji before that? Chris?
Speaker 2: Oh you're not sure? Okay? I thought you'd know. Okay,
Speaker 2: you know I turned to you for emojis. I like this,
Speaker 2: Jerry says Mike, having missed the tragic song. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: just didn't get to the tragic song, did we? Having
Speaker 2: missed the tragic song? Feeling excessively happy this morning, Nothing
Speaker 2: like a good analysis of relationships to correct that.
Speaker 3: Ha ha.
Speaker 2: Yes, human beings, they're a caution, says Jerry from Sutherland.
Speaker 2: Why are you laughing when you hand me this? Jeffrey
Speaker 2: from Beverly Hills says, I seem to remember missus Slocum
Speaker 2: from Are you being served? Being concerned about keeping her
Speaker 2: pussy warm? Yes, that's right, she was worried about that
Speaker 2: a lot of the time, wasn't she. They were the days.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know it was Australian, but that was
Speaker 2: kind of Pommey humor, wasn't it, The sort of Benny
Speaker 2: Hill approach or Bennie. He became PC non PC