WEBVTT - Politics with Terry Barnes

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<v Speaker 1>Now on overnight order order the Prime Minister as the call.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks missus speak It's for the week in Politics with

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<v Speaker 2>Terry Barnes. How are you good morning, Phil?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think the G seven was worth it?

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<v Speaker 2>I think G seven is a waste of time and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a lot of way to go to get a

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<v Speaker 2>group photo of seven people or actually a thick of

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<v Speaker 2>one or two more, including the head of the European Union.

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<v Speaker 1>But really, what.

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<v Speaker 2>Did they achieve in those couple of days? Absolutely bloody

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<v Speaker 2>I think, I mean the time, the effort, the cost

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<v Speaker 2>of doing all of that and actually having the number

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<v Speaker 2>one attendee, Nikoff a day early before they could reach

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<v Speaker 2>an agreement on a communicate. We reach an agreement on anything,

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<v Speaker 2>certainly not reach an agreement on Israel and Iran, and

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<v Speaker 2>of course the hangars on like our Prime Minister Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>ALBERNIZI who were there? Really, I think almost the decoration

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<v Speaker 2>except for the possibility of these sideline meetings. It really

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<v Speaker 2>just seems to me that it delivered some good pictures

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<v Speaker 2>for the TV nears. It delivered that family photo, But

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<v Speaker 2>beyond that, I mean, what's the point? I think I

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<v Speaker 2>think the time has come or to actually quietly put

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<v Speaker 2>to sleep. I mean, it was started fifty years ago

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<v Speaker 2>as a way of the Western great powers to have

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of a chat once a year at leader level,

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<v Speaker 2>but really it's just become simply a talking shop, a gapfest,

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<v Speaker 2>but with no clear agenda and no clear decisive leadership

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<v Speaker 2>coming out of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Whenever I see Australia popping up to the G seven,

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<v Speaker 3>I think, well, it's just like them going to Eurovision

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<v Speaker 3>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a case of why.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, well, yeah, that's a good, good description. Actually it's

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<v Speaker 2>political Eurovision where everybody gets dull points. But certainly I think,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we're talking about the use of scarce political

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<v Speaker 2>and diplomatic time and resources. And if it was a

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<v Speaker 2>genuine forum for solving major global problems like the war

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<v Speaker 2>in Ukraine, like Gaza and Israel, like Israel and Iran,

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<v Speaker 2>then maybe, just maybe it's got a purpose. But really

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<v Speaker 2>what we saw was a couple of a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>what do they call them pit facts in terms of opportunity,

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<v Speaker 2>and a few meetings that all seem to revolve around

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<v Speaker 2>one certain leader. And my sense is that while Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump is President of the United States, the G seven

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<v Speaker 2>is always going to be the G one and everybody

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<v Speaker 2>else is living in Trump World. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, we were talking about this last night. If you

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<v Speaker 3>were to advise Anthony Albanezi, would you advise him to

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<v Speaker 3>keep ringing Donald Trump? Are you going to come off

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit desperate? And we all well, I mean

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<v Speaker 3>the general consensus among the listeners who rang in and

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<v Speaker 3>texted was, Yeah, you've got to keep on his case,

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<v Speaker 3>even though you do seem to be coming across as

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<v Speaker 3>a bit desperate. What would be your advice if you

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<v Speaker 3>had to give any two albow in terms of getting

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<v Speaker 3>hold of Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I think the way things are rolling, with the

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<v Speaker 2>issues that we're concerned about around towers, around Ucus, they're

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<v Speaker 2>rolling on anyway. The review, the American review of Orcus

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<v Speaker 2>has started. It's not going to be stopped. That was

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<v Speaker 2>encouraging actually the G seven. One of the few things

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<v Speaker 2>that was encouraging the G seven was that when British

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister Kirs Starmer and Trump got together, they both

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<v Speaker 2>agreed that Orcus is a good thing. So Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>has actually learnt since earlier in the year when he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't seem to have a clue about it what Orcus

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<v Speaker 2>actually is. But certainly. I think you don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>look desperate, but you don't want to look daptless. My

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<v Speaker 2>sense is that if I was advising the Prime Minister,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be saying, well, just go yourself, don't look desperate,

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<v Speaker 2>don't try and get through the door at the first opportunity.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't take it personally that you did not get stuck

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<v Speaker 2>by Donald Trump leaving. I mean Donald Trump left for

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<v Speaker 2>good reason. I mean I'm not a great trump Man,

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<v Speaker 2>as you know. Look, I think we're dealing with a

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<v Speaker 2>global crisis here, and potentially, if it's mismanaged or miscalculations happened,

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<v Speaker 2>we could be on the brink of something really catastrophic.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think it was quite reasonable for him to

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<v Speaker 2>go back to the White House in the situation Room

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<v Speaker 2>to work it through.

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<v Speaker 3>And the other thing, it wasn't just Albot, it was

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<v Speaker 3>also the Indian Prime Minister, it was Zelenski. Although Zelenski

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<v Speaker 3>squaed up with him a few times, but he didn't

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<v Speaker 3>get the opportunity either. Okay, let's talk about what you

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<v Speaker 3>just mentioned there, Iran and Israel.

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<v Speaker 1>Where do you start?

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<v Speaker 2>There are so many things to talk about, but really

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<v Speaker 2>I think the question is what are the Americans actually

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<v Speaker 2>going to do. I mean Donald Trump with his social

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<v Speaker 2>media commentary, with his well very enigmatic remarks when he

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<v Speaker 2>left the G seven about to watch this space, particularly

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<v Speaker 2>the way he slapped down the French President Emmanuel Macron

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<v Speaker 2>in relation to Macron's suggesting he was going back to

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<v Speaker 2>Washington to work on a ceasefire, and he basically said

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<v Speaker 2>a ceasepuy of his stuff got bigger fish to Fries

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<v Speaker 2>than that. So my sense, and I'm not a strategic

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<v Speaker 2>or a defense expert in any sense, but certainly as

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<v Speaker 2>a political watcher, I have to say that all the

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<v Speaker 2>indications are that President Trump is actually gearing up to

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<v Speaker 2>bring the United States into this militarily in some way.

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<v Speaker 2>And I would think it is probably in relation to

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<v Speaker 2>the pressure from Israel to support their nuclear facility busting

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<v Speaker 2>effort by bringing in the big bunker busting bombs that

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<v Speaker 2>the American has. Americans have that the Israelis.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't, and of course they've got. I mentioned this a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of days ago, USS and limits heading in that direction.

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<v Speaker 3>The fact that Trump went back met with his security

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<v Speaker 3>council straight away once he got back to the White House,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know, something's going on here. The extent

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<v Speaker 3>of it, I guess we'll have to wait and find out.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's right, and don't forget there's another US carrier

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<v Speaker 2>group going in there as well as the USS Carl Vincent.

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<v Speaker 2>So there are two huge aircraft carriers with fighters and

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<v Speaker 2>fighter bombers. But one thing that Israel doesn't have with

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<v Speaker 2>its air force are large bombers. It lacks those. It

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<v Speaker 2>has very good fighter bombers, top top notch fighter bombers,

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<v Speaker 2>and they have bunker busting bombs of their own, but

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<v Speaker 2>the only bunker bust to the depth of six meters,

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<v Speaker 2>whereas the American bunker busting bombs actually can very smart

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<v Speaker 2>and they can drill down sixty meters or more. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's in the mounts of Iran where the chief Uranium

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<v Speaker 2>Richmond facility is. That's the type of bomb that is

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<v Speaker 2>needed to actually destroy it as opposed to merely damage it.

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<v Speaker 1>The other thing is, I don't know if you knew

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<v Speaker 1>about this.

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<v Speaker 3>Over the last two days, there've been something like thirty

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<v Speaker 3>US military aerial refueling tankers being dispatched to the Middle East, too,

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<v Speaker 3>So the tankers aren't there to support Israeli fighter jet missions.

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<v Speaker 3>Against Iran, but also to help with the mid air

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<v Speaker 3>refueling capabilities, so maybe also to help out the American

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<v Speaker 3>Air Force if more of them get involved.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's exactly right, And certainly, yes, they have been

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<v Speaker 2>brought up into the towards closer to Iran and closer

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<v Speaker 2>to the scene scene of the action. But they could

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<v Speaker 2>service Israeli aeroplanes, they could service American aeroplanes, and I

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<v Speaker 2>guess if they did service Israeli aeroplanes, the Uranians may

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<v Speaker 2>will say that the Americans are involved anyway. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>a really delicate situation where and regardless of what you

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<v Speaker 2>think about the players in it, if there is a mistake,

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<v Speaker 2>if there is a miscalculation here, it can be catastrophic

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<v Speaker 2>for all of us. So it's absolutely essential. It's imperative

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<v Speaker 2>that particularly Benjamin Yahou and Donald Trump, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>all all Western leaders who are involved in this in

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<v Speaker 2>one way or another, actually well move carefully.

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<v Speaker 3>I was talking to Professor David Flint about this last night,

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<v Speaker 3>and he was drawing parallels to nineteen fourteen and the

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<v Speaker 3>spark that ignited that, and we were saying, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>what's the spyk here, and let's hope it doesn't happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I said exactly say to John Stanley when I

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<v Speaker 2>was talking to him on Tuesday night. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>there is a feeling a bit like July nineteen fourteen,

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<v Speaker 2>after the assassination of the Artitukee Vans Ferdinand Sarajevo, when

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<v Speaker 2>the events and the decision started cascading and mistakes were

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<v Speaker 2>made in that month as well, And we're not dealing

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<v Speaker 2>that with the type of communications we have now. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean it's almost instantaneous. It was actually much slower than that,

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<v Speaker 2>but even so, I mean it's a lot, but Europe

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<v Speaker 2>the world was waiting back then with the other shooter drop,

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<v Speaker 2>but eventually, in the beginning of August nineteen fourteen it did.

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<v Speaker 2>You could say it's the same as very similar to

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<v Speaker 2>August nineteen thirty nine, the months people the World War

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<v Speaker 2>two started with certainly the doings and throwings between the

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<v Speaker 2>Germans and the Russians that led to the Riven Shrop

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<v Speaker 2>Molotov pacts that actually seed the way for the invasion

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<v Speaker 2>of Poland. I mean, all of these if we're seeing

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<v Speaker 2>something a little similar now, so God help us, hope,

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<v Speaker 2>I hope it never comes to that type of possibility now.

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<v Speaker 3>And the other comparison you could draw as well is

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<v Speaker 3>the Cuban missile crisis nineteen sixty two.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's a very good one in the sense because

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<v Speaker 2>effectively John F. Kennedy and his advisors took America to

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<v Speaker 2>the brink of nuclear war with Russia, but kept their heads,

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<v Speaker 2>kept their their calm, and kept there, kept their actions

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<v Speaker 2>to a blockade of Cuba as opposed to military action

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<v Speaker 2>of military invasion, which probably would have led to at

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<v Speaker 2>least some form of nuclear exchange. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump has the temperament to do that, but certainly

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's a realist in the sense that he

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<v Speaker 2>knows that the consequences of any nuclear exchange, any nuclear

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<v Speaker 2>or any nuclear bomb being being used, and he has

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<v Speaker 2>made it very clear that he does not see Iran

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<v Speaker 2>having having that capability, that he wants it stopped. He does,

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<v Speaker 2>he wants it to be blocked. And if he's prepared

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<v Speaker 2>to put his well actions where his words are, you'd

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<v Speaker 2>have to assume that he is gearing up to bring

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<v Speaker 2>the US into supporting Israeli one some way or another.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's not just the temperament of the Kennedys. There

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<v Speaker 3>was also the temperament of khrush Chef as well, where

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<v Speaker 3>people were allowed to save face. That's the thing that's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be really important if we.

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<v Speaker 2>Get to know, well that was actually it was more

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<v Speaker 2>John F. Kennedy. I think if you go back and

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<v Speaker 2>look at what happened in nineteen sixty two, Khrushchoff was

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<v Speaker 2>actually looking for face to be saved. It wasn't him

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<v Speaker 2>trying to save other people's faces. I mean, it was

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<v Speaker 2>actually Kennedy looking after Khrushchov in that sense and giving

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<v Speaker 2>him a decent way out. And they found a comprom

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<v Speaker 2>solution in terms of some nuclear weapons being taken out

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<v Speaker 2>of Turkey by the Americans. So that didn't really matter

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<v Speaker 2>in the biggest scheme of things, but it looked like

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<v Speaker 2>there was something for something deal. But in this case, well, look,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe Donald Trump, he's the deal maker. He could come

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<v Speaker 2>up with something. But really I think we're in a

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<v Speaker 2>very very difficult situation here. But on this one, I

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<v Speaker 2>actually actually back to Donald Trump. If he is prepared

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<v Speaker 2>to actually take some action.

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<v Speaker 1>He may be a mad man, but he's our madman.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's the point I mean, But I think I

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<v Speaker 2>think on this one his his instincts arise in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of wanting to stop Iran, how he does it and

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<v Speaker 2>how he does it in a way that doesn't lead

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<v Speaker 2>to even more dire consequences. That's his challenge. Whether he's

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<v Speaker 2>up to that challenge, he'll have to prove. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>But that whole mad Man analogy which I think was

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<v Speaker 3>attributed to Nixon, wasn't it originally correct?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>The whole idea behind that is if you know you've

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<v Speaker 3>got to loose cannon, then you've actually got a bit

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<v Speaker 3>of an advantage. Okay, let's talk about a different truth.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is the Liberal Party in particular New South

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<v Speaker 3>Wales and they got their act together.

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<v Speaker 1>Is everybody getting on?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, come on, let's let's let's be real here, Phil.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean basically the South Wales Liberal Parties case, it's

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<v Speaker 2>still as a basket past. It was into it needed

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<v Speaker 2>federal intervention by the federal executive Liberal Party late last year.

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<v Speaker 2>What they don't like is the fact that the executive

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<v Speaker 2>put in a couple of Victorians, Alan Stocker put Jeff

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<v Speaker 2>Kennett's former treasurer and former our minister Richard Austen, and

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<v Speaker 2>really it was what what does come out this week

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<v Speaker 2>is that they've kicked the two Victorians out and they've

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<v Speaker 2>put Nick Griner particularly in their players. But really the

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<v Speaker 2>factional nest vipers that's in the South Wales Liberal Party continues,

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that they they lost they lost seats in

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<v Speaker 2>the recent federal election, the fact that they don't really

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<v Speaker 2>look like they're in a position to be a viable

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<v Speaker 2>alternative government in the upcoming state election in South Wales,

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<v Speaker 2>which has still got a way to come.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>This is these are all issues that they really have

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<v Speaker 2>not grappled with. So I mean, the factional hatreds that

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<v Speaker 2>personality politics are still there. It's not going away. They

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<v Speaker 2>haven't solved the problem. Nick Greiner, as respected Liberal elder statesman,

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<v Speaker 2>might be able to go where the Victorians did not

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of trying to bring some sort of peace

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<v Speaker 2>to the party. But the bottom line is that a

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<v Speaker 2>Liberal party these days is a party that nobody wants

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<v Speaker 2>to join. It's not a question of young versus old,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a question of people actually want to be part

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<v Speaker 2>of something that is such a dog's breakfast that is

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<v Speaker 2>becoming increasingly used to losing and not winning that if

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<v Speaker 2>you really want to make a career in politics and

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<v Speaker 2>public service. Is Liberal Party the way to go anymore?

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people suddenly are thinking maybe it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Not, although Nick Griner has a lot of credibility and

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<v Speaker 3>also I think enough experience and level headedness to brahad unify.

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<v Speaker 3>If you could think of anybody except apart from maybe

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<v Speaker 3>John Howard, you know, grind it's not the bad person

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<v Speaker 3>to have in there in this particular role.

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<v Speaker 2>No, he's not. And I think because of his being

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<v Speaker 2>such a successful premiere in the late eighties and early nineties,

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<v Speaker 2>even though he almost lost office when he sought re election,

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<v Speaker 2>he is well regarded across the faction of the Liberal Party.

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<v Speaker 2>But the reality is that Liberal Party itself is such

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<v Speaker 2>a rotten, rotten organization it really needs to be cleaned out.

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<v Speaker 2>It's parliamentary party needs to be cleaned out of the

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<v Speaker 2>dead wood and the non performers. The organization certainly needs

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<v Speaker 2>to be cleaned out, which is why there was a

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<v Speaker 2>federal intervention of birthplace. I mean, you had a party

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<v Speaker 2>organization that couldn't actually organize its candidates the last year's

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<v Speaker 2>local government elections in New South Wales. That's how messy

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<v Speaker 2>it was. That you really want to have good people

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<v Speaker 2>joining the party and you want to have really good

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<v Speaker 2>people standing for it. At the moment there is well,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just not worth it. It really isn't. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's not just the South Wales division of Liberal

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<v Speaker 2>Party that's problem. I think it's a problem in Victoria,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a problem in South Australia, West Australia. Probably the

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<v Speaker 2>only place where it's viable as a party of government

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<v Speaker 2>at the moment is where it is a government. That

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<v Speaker 2>is Queensland. And you noticed I didn't mention Tasmania there,

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<v Speaker 2>although notionally it's got Liberal Party government, because I suspect

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<v Speaker 2>after the nineteenth of July, because of this absolutely pool

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<v Speaker 2>hardy election that they're called, that there won't be a

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<v Speaker 2>Liberal government there either.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what they need to do is they need

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<v Speaker 3>to go back to nineteen sixty seven. There was a

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<v Speaker 3>guy who his name was William Bell, and he wrote

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<v Speaker 3>a song Everybody loves a Winner and everybody loves you

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<v Speaker 3>when you're winning. They need to be playing that every

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<v Speaker 3>time somebody walks in the room, try and buoy the

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<v Speaker 3>team up a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Perhaps, Oh, they certainly need something that certainly when party

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<v Speaker 2>hacks and factional warlords. I think their song is my way.

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<v Speaker 2>You really have to wonder about the party as a

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<v Speaker 2>party of government. I mean, it's been a natural party

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<v Speaker 2>of government for so long and I think that's made

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<v Speaker 2>many Liberal members, but certain the organizational player is very complacent.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that even losing the twenty twenty two federal

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<v Speaker 2>election has shut the temporary setback. And we saw that

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<v Speaker 2>the consequences of that type of thinking on the third

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<v Speaker 2>of May, didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>We Well, maybe then they could borrow from Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 3>a bit of ymca from the village people, because you

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<v Speaker 3>know that boy's the camp too.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, look, I think he would object to that. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think he want to be associated with you know

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<v Speaker 2>what he says about losers. I don't think he'd want

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<v Speaker 2>to be associated with the Liberal Party of Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>At the moment, Captain Cook's HMS endeavor is confirmed to

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<v Speaker 3>be in the waters off Rhode Island.

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<v Speaker 1>Why what's this? Why are you interested in this story?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think we all should be interested in this story.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, basically we're talking about the endeavor that Captain

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<v Speaker 2>Cook sales up up the East Coast of Australia. In

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen seventy. I mean it was a great thing for Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>for Australian history. It was the beginning really of our

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<v Speaker 2>European history in terms of the settlement, and that, in

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<v Speaker 2>my view is not a bad thing. Many other people

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<v Speaker 2>these days think it isn't, which is why I think

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<v Speaker 2>if we look at the media at coverage of this

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<v Speaker 2>over the last few days in Australia, it's barely troubled

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<v Speaker 2>to scorers. I mean, I'm old enough to remember. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if you are, Phil, I'm sure you're only

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one and a bit. In the late sixties. In

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty nine to nineteen seventy, in the run up

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<v Speaker 2>to the Cook Bison tenary, everybody was avidly following the

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<v Speaker 2>raising of Endeavors canons off the Great Barrier Reef because

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<v Speaker 2>that was seed as getting in touch with Cook relics

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<v Speaker 2>at the time of the Bison tenary. But here we

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<v Speaker 2>are we have the wreckage of the real Endeavor, that

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<v Speaker 2>the actual ship, it's herself, I like to say, herself,

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<v Speaker 2>not itself ship as a sheet, but certainly we have

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<v Speaker 2>the wreckage there. And according to the Australia National Maritime

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<v Speaker 2>Museum that's been a big part of researching this and

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<v Speaker 2>offshore in Newport, Rhode Island. When you think about it,

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<v Speaker 2>Australia too probably sailed over her when she went one.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a third point.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that, But certainly I think if it was

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy we would be absolutely ecstatic about this is

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<v Speaker 2>a big filling out newspages that would be splashed all

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<v Speaker 2>over television radio. But here in twenty twenty five, where

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<v Speaker 2>it's unfashionable to talk about Captain Cook, it's unfashionable to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about his boges of exploration and its implications for

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<v Speaker 2>indigenous peoples in the Pacific, particularly as well as Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course with there's a bit of a downer

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<v Speaker 2>on British colonialism and Britain in general in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>role in the world. So look, it's has had more

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<v Speaker 2>coverage in the US, that's had more coverage in Britain

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<v Speaker 2>than it's had in Australia, and I just think that's

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely surprised. Well, you probably shouldn't be surprised in this

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<v Speaker 2>day and age, but certainly as somebody who was young

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<v Speaker 2>enough or old enough but very young then to remember

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<v Speaker 2>the Cook by centenary and as I say, the example

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<v Speaker 2>of the excitement caused by the raising of Endeavors canons

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<v Speaker 2>then as opposed to the ship itself. Now. Look, I

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<v Speaker 2>just think it's highlights how Australia has changed, how our

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<v Speaker 2>mindset has changed. I don't necessarily think in that sense

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<v Speaker 2>it's change for the better.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure that we will get texts about this and

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<v Speaker 3>about your thoughts as well. It's always a pleasure to

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<v Speaker 3>taught to you. Let's see where we're at in a

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<v Speaker 3>week's time.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Phil.