WEBVTT - Words with Kel Richards – 6th June 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:15.480 Sounds and now a night's Words with Cal Richards. Yes 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:17.720 words with Kel Richards, and Kel of course is with 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:20.280 us every Thursday night to talk words. And don't forget 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:22.560 his fantastic website which has links to all of his 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:27.080 great publications. You get a daily missive from him oz 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:28.600 words dot com dot au. 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:31.680 Good evening, sir, good evening, sir. Really nice to be here. 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:34.080 Now, let me just mention this headline I saw in 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:38.920 the Telegraph, because this this this list of the Bougist. 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:41.600 And I'm told everyone here says, I've got someone saying 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:43.199 to me it's b o u G and it's a 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:45.800 hard g. Now I think it's a b o u G. 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:50.960 I s t bougist. Francis has heard it, Charlie's heard it. 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:52.800 A lot of the younger people here have used it. 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:54.480 It's kind of a play on bourgeois. 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:57.000 I think exactly. Tell us, well, it is a plan 0:00:57.080 --> 0:01:02.319 on bourgeois. Quickly, Da dashed into the Oxford database, as 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:05.960 one does, and discovered they've found it back in nineteen 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:09.080 sixty six when it started off as Black American slang, 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:14.360 and it was a contraction of bourgeois. So you were bougie. 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:17.120 The s the eest at the end, it may well be. 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:21.680 The Telegraph added, bogie has been a common expression. When 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:24.440 it was first coined in America, it was meant as 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.800 a disparaging expression, right. In other words, it was putting 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:29.600 you down because you thought you were better than other 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.679 people or whatever. And mind you, not all of the 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:36.200 dictionaries agree with that. The Cambridge says belonging to or 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:38.600 typical of the middle class, especially in giving a lot 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.720 of importance to money, education, social class, and in liking 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:47.400 or what expensive and unusual things. Mind you, the Urban Dictionary. 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:51.000 The Urban Dictionary thinks it's disparaging. The Urban Dictionary says 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:55.160 bougie means people pretending to or thinking they are high 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:58.600 class when they're really not and they don't realize it. 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:02.800 Sydney's bougie is hot spots for celebrities. 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:03.200 There you go. 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:05.040 So that was the headline they came up with, and 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:06.400 I looked at it and I thought, ah, I've got 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:08.800 the personal perfect person that running the rule over this one. 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:11.519 And there's a lovely line here in the Cambridge Dictionary 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:16.040 which says, quote oat milk, sawy milk, almond milk, bougie. 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:18.320 People like any milk that doesn't actually come from a cow. 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:20.280 That's that's being bougie. 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:22.200 All right, let me go. George's got something on this. 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:26.720 Hello George, Yeah, John, I know you like your soul music, 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:29.880 so it's thought. I I think you're talking about boogie 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:31.760 and kel that's correct. 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:35.359 But the very very well known and much. 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:41.639 Late seventies soul classified the pit's called Bougie. 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:43.519 Borgie, and that's exactly. 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:47.239 They were talking about that song. It's a classic song. 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:52.639 Sydney's Bougie Bougie. This is Gladys Knight and the Pips 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:54.320 from the late seventies. Where might try and find a 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:54.880 bit of that if. 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.320 We can, Yeah, that'd be great. Yeah, because and I 0:02:57.400 --> 0:02:59.880 presume what he's doing in the song is putting down people, 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:03.760 because at that time it was definitely meant a disparaging term. 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:05.920 George's lines are a little bit dodgy, but we got 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:07.680 the message. Ye, we walk down and have a listen 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:09.600 to that one. Well done, Thank you so much for that. 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:12.480 One three one eight seven three is the number word 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:14.720 of the week. It's often a word, it's often just 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:17.400 a phrase. This week it's a phrase and I'm very interested. 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:20.680 Out of sorts. I mean, we all are occasionally out 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:21.040 of sort. 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:22.880 Hey, feeling like kell I've been out of sorts? 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:25.760 Yeah, exactly like that, older than I would have thought. 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:29.200 Goes back to sixteen twenty one, covers a multitude of conditions, 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:32.560 both physical and mental. The Oxford that says it means 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:35.800 not in the usual normal condition of good health or spirits, 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:39.360 that kind of thing. But why sorts now? One theory 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:42.000 is talking about being in or out of sorts? Goes 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:44.760 back to the early days of printing, when type metal 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:47.840 type was set by hand, and you had two cases, 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:49.840 the top case with the upper coast letters in and 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:52.960 the bottom case with the lower case letters in, and 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:58.840 those metal letters, individual letters on metal were called sorts. 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:02.240 When your case was getting low, if you've been setting 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:05.760 a lot, you were running out of sorts, and so 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:09.839 you couldn't keep typesetting because you were out of sorts. 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:13.080 There's a nice joke that Benjamin Franklin of all people, 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:16.120 makes because he was a printer, about being out of 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:20.159 sorts and referring to printer's type setting his sorts. So 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:22.200 that may well be the source of it. 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:24.920 Okay, all right, so there you go, out of sorts. Now. 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:27.400 Just Brian had this one I'm interested because I've got 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:30.600 a young man who I know well, Dave his Dragon Supporter, 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:33.719 lives in my area, and I know when he often, 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:36.640 usually when someone's dropped the ball on whatever, he goes, Oh, 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:39.880 spare me days. He's spare me days. It's a really 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:41.080 old expression, isn't it. 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:43.960 It's a very ies of you expression. It goes back 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:47.599 to about nineteen sixteen, which means it quite possibly was 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:49.440 born in the trenches. It may have begun as a 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:52.599 digger expression. There's a brilliant book I've got called Digger Dialects, 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:54.680 and I've got to admit I should have gone there, 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:58.240 and I didn't go there, but about nineteen sixteen. It 0:04:58.279 --> 0:04:59.920 was originally it's sort of meant to be in a 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:02.640 expression of surprise. But it grows out of the fact 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:07.240 that the word spare originally meant protect protect me from injury. 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:10.520 Oh really spare me So another words in a oh 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:13.359 you know the days again made if this is going on, 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:16.039 Oh the days are getting to spare me days was 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:19.240 the idea, I don't want all this, don't inflict this 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:21.920 on me, Spare me days. So that's what it grows 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:22.160 out of. 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:23.960 Fantastic, all right, what I want to do is take 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:25.599 a break, come back in the moment. We've got people 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:27.279 on the line who want to talk to you directly. 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:30.159 Kel got questions on the text line. We've got emails 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:31.919 as well, and I've got one from earlier in the 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:35.880 week and one of our programs that I harvested as well, 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:38.719 So I'm picking stuff up all week for you, so 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.479 we'll get a ruling as well. Where's my here it is. 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:45.479 I've got the ready to go very good at twenty 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:48.839 minutes past ten on three seven three is the number 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:52.039 of thanks to George with the Bogie Bougie, that song 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:53.800 from Gladys Knight and the Pipsica, A little bit of 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:55.760 the little bit of the chorus of that one, have 0:05:55.839 --> 0:06:06.320 we here? It is? There it is, and they've just 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:09.040 adopted it a bit or adapted a bit with bougiists. 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:11.120 So there you go. All right, fantastic, Thank you so 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:11.560 much for. 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:14.320 That, John, You and I and all the other baby 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:16.800 boomers listening. They've just learned something that we didn't know 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:17.320 we have. 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:20.440 Actually, yeah, and maybe a few genex's as well. I suspect. 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:22.400 Let's go to John. Hello, John. 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:30.680 Oh kel Hi, John seventy a seventy four IP fan 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:31.520 by the way. 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:33.320 Ah, all right, well all that music would have been 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:36.200 played on the Great four IP. Yes, yeah, color Radio 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:37.440 four IP wasn't. 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:38.480 Wise home of the good guys. 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:38.960 That's right. 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:41.919 Yes, you're a bit of a character. Back then your 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:48.880 voice wasn't as beautiful as it is now. But anyway, as. 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:50.919 I got it took. As I get older, both visually 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.560 and verbally, I get closer to George Cloning. It's just 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:54.280 the way it is. 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:55.840 There, you go, all right, fantastic. 0:06:56.880 --> 0:07:00.440 Between Gympie and mirror Borough, they have bees roads signs 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:05.720 that are trivia questions on them. I always got the answer, 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:09.360 but I could never get the question because the sign 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:16.880 was hidden by a bit of tree. The word petreature, petriture. 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:19.720 I'm trying. I'm trying to stump you here. 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:20.720 You want to get there? 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.840 This is like how do you spell it? I know 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.080 the answer, but I wanted to see if I could 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:27.560 get stump kill on it. 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:29.720 Well, I'm trying to pick it up, So how do 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:31.840 you spell it? E? 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:36.000 E T R I C H O R. 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:41.400 Okay, I've got a feeling. Now I haven't opened up 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:43.800 the Oxford yet. I've got a feeling It is the 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:48.000 smell of coming rain. It's like the smell of the 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:50.640 dust and the coming rain when a rainstorm is approaching. 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.160 Am I getting close? Oh? 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:57.440 Mate? A class plus he. 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:00.560 Didn't open his computer. I can verify it very good, 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:01.400 that's what it is. 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:02.120 I see. 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:04.440 It's a wonderful word, isn't. 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:06.600 I can't believe. I can't believe you got that? 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:09.200 So how would you use it? Petrature is the smell? 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:11.400 So so you could just you could be walking around 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:14.000 with your mat petri. 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:16.160 Sure there was a whiff of petra. Sure there a whiff? 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:18.280 Is that a here's a John? 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:20.520 And it really is the case when rain is coming 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:22.600 you can often smell it. There was there was a 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:24.760 smell in the air, and I think it is dust 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:27.200 that's been stirred up by rain that's falling not too 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:29.679 far away. And you can spell rain coming, can't you? John? 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:30.680 Yeah? 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.240 Yeah, I didn't think there'd be a word for that. 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:34.960 Yeah, but it's wonderful that there is. 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:36.000 Can we write it down? 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:42.600 I'll tell you what, mane. That's I'm just beside myself 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:44.480 that you got it. That's good enough for me. 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:46.800 Very good mate, that I looked it up A long, 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:50.080 long time ago, ten, ten, fifteen years ago, and suddenly 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:52.679 that brain cell opened and reminded me of what it was. 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:55.120 All right, look and look, thank you for very much, John. 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:59.000 And in fact we've got David's senses a note petriture, smell 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:01.360 of wet roads. So that's what we're talking about here. 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:03.720 And I can verify this because over the years on 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:07.040 radio there have been people who've had armies of researchers 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:09.640 and so when someone asks the question, they go no, 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:12.160 I think about that, and the answers to being provided. 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:15.400 But kel had nothing, nothing open, nothing, So well done, 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:16.000 very good. 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:17.679 I'm still looking at poop. That's what I've got to 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:18.480 open on my computer. 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:20.320 Well, lang on, you've given this away, so can we 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:22.720 This came Look, this was a couple of days ago, 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:26.560 and I know this happens. I reckon every few months. 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:29.600 Somewhere in the country. There's a debate, there's an argument. 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:33.840 There's a dispute over people picking up after their dogs, 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:37.160 and it can they're variations of whether they should be 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:40.600 putting it in people's bins, whether people do the fake 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:43.040 pick up, what you do with the stuff that's in 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:47.120 the bags. But the concern that one of our listeners 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.360 and Clinton Maynard was dealing with this on the Drive 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:51.000 Show and he was taught with the concern of one 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:53.319 of our listeners was not about the issue, but more 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:56.440 about the language that Maynard had used to have a listen. 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:58.719 I'm in trouble with Danny. So Danny's just sent a 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.600 text business saying it's dog poo. Pop is American? Please 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:04.080 only use the word pooh. I was trying to actually 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:07.000 censor myself there. I thought maybe poop was an easier 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:09.360 way of getting away with saying pooh. Okay, Danny, I'll 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:09.800 stick to it. 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:10.400 Dog pooh. 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:12.400 He said it all there, so we have poop and pooh. 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:16.200 But poop is pup American? 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:20.560 No, No, it's British. Recorded from eighteen ninety. It comes 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:23.560 from a Germanic source word quite common in Germanic languages, 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:26.959 and it always means the same thing, defication, although it's 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:29.360 got two meanings. It either means defication or it means 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:33.760 breaking wind, so the meanings are very tasteful. But there's 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.040 there's similar words in Afrikaans and Dutch and so on, 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:38.480 so it comes from a Germanic background. It's British, it's 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:42.560 not American, so you know no problem. Clinton is allowed 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:42.800 to hear. 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.960 He's right, and the fellow that took him to task 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:46.400 is wrong. 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:48.480 The man who said it was American is wrong. 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:52.920 Very good. You mentioned an excellent word there, because sometimes 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:56.280 I'll find myself, you know, when you're something egregious happens. 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:58.920 That's a great word itself. So something happens and you 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:04.280 want to say that, it's usually a politician has and 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:08.120 you want to say they have sahat, I might say 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:10.760 it on their constituents. Yes, And so I said, well, 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:14.280 they've defecated on their constituents, and I think that's actually even. 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:16.680 It's actually got a bit of a bit of style 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:18.800 about it, and that's what they have actually done. 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.440 It's a very powerful way of saying it because no 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:23.720 one can complain you're using bad language because you're not. 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:26.800 But what you're saying is something very and you're saying 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:29.120 it in a classy way. So keep it up, John, 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:29.880 Very good. 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:33.520 Very good. Now, Tom is when I said pedants, start 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:35.800 your engines at the start of this hour. One of 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:39.880 my favorite pedants who textas is Tom now, and he's 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:41.680 raised something that I've said a lot. I said, I'm 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:44.680 beside myself I've got to say, I'm beside myself. Now. 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:47.920 Our fellow who has got their answer, said he was 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:51.920 beside himself. Tom says, I hope you should have replied, 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:53.640 I hope you both enjoy the rest of the night. 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:55.480 But that's an interesting expression, isn't it. 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:57.680 We have talked about this once before, and it goes 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:00.800 back to the idea that somehow, rather you'reitor, your soul 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:04.280 gets so distressed it sort of exits your body and 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:06.880 parks itself beside you. It goes so it goes back 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:08.760 to the Middle Ages, goes back a long way. But 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:11.240 it's that kind of idea that I'm so distressed, I'm 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:12.040 beside myself. 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:14.199 Yeah, all right, And can. 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:18.439 I say with Formula one racing, they used to say, gentlemen, 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:22.320 start your engines, and because we have to have gender 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:25.640 non specific terms, and us drivers start your engines. And 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:27.320 I think it's not as good. 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:29.040 Yeah, but what's going to happen when because there are 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:31.000 women who are driving, And in fact we've had this 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:34.199 conversation actually in the same way that it's taken a 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:37.120 long time. Now we have probably the best riders in 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:39.720 the country, a couple two or three this Jamie Carr 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:43.199 James MacDonald. It's logical that women would be as good 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:46.920 as jockeys as men because especially because of the weight 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:49.640 issue and the way they ride the horses. That reason 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:51.320 why women would be able to be as good as 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:53.320 a Formula one driver as a male. 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:56.080 It depends entirely on how much strength is involved, because 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:58.560 if you've got a Y chromosome, on average, people with 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.480 Y chromosomes tend to be like larger, faster, and stronger 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:03.920 than people who lack a WHY chromosome. And I don't 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:06.440 know how much strength is involved in driving the Formula one. 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:08.920 Come with the driving, it's well, I mean there's a 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:12.520 bit of endurance, but it's also very much a I 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:15.720 think it's a skill thing. Oh waka, I think we 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:17.920 might raise it in the Formula one report. We do 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.000 that later in the week. That most interesting, But it 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:22.520 is gentlemen, start your engine or pittance start your engage. 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:24.880 And there was a lovely that said, a shivered awn 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:28.000 your spine, didn't a gentleman start your engines? Exit and 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:30.319 those huge thunderous engines would start. 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:32.760 Exactly all right, Let's go to Oh, Brian's got a 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:33.800 beauty here? Hello Brian? 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:38.920 Yeah, good, evening Collen John Hi hi uh with my 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:41.920 girlfriend on the weekend and she said jump in Jehosaph. 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:44.880 Brief conversation, we don't know who Jehosaphat is and what 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:45.720 he was jumping. 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:50.559 Okay, it's it's what's called a softened blasphemy. People were 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:54.920 saying expressions like that in order to avoid using the 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:58.959 names of God or Jesus in blasphemous expressions. Jehosaphat was 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:01.160 a prophet in the old test to it. I think 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:03.560 the jumping part was simply added as a kind of 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:06.880 alliterative thing jj, nothing more than that, and it was 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:11.520 invented in order to express surprise and without blaspheming, so 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:13.880 that when it comes from the eighteen hundreds. 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:14.680 There's so many of those. 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:17.000 Well, the world is full of them because we went 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:20.960 through a period when, particularly the Victorian news, when people 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:24.600 were very sensitive about blasphemy, and they kept inventing all 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:26.040 kinds of things. 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:29.880 Right, very good jumping Jehosaph. Fact, yeah, it was, because 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:33.160 that's not like the It was the cartoon where you had, 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:37.720 oh there's one where there was an expression and now 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:39.400 it's gone out of my head. It might have been 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:42.400 Foggorn leghorn or someone used to say something like that. 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:44.760 But jump in Jehoseph and I'll try and remember what 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:47.160 it was. I've got a few on the text line 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:51.560 here book Toney's talking about Peter Landy's saying rugby league 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:55.440 is rugby league, which is probably just the way he speaks, 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:58.920 but it's actually now become endearing. People actually now referred 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:01.360 to it as rugby league. That's the way he says 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:01.960 the league. 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:07.520 Yes, I remember Neville Ran turned the word police into 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:11.080 a one syllable word. It was always please, please, please please. 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:14.280 Now the saying I like the cut of his jib. 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:17.000 This is I like the cut of. 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.720 His jib from sailing, from the idea that the jib 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:22.600 is the front sail on a sailing ship of the triangut, 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.000 a sign right at the front. That's the jib. And 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:27.440 if you've got a really well rigged ship, then then 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:29.840 it's really well set up. And you like the cut 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:30.400 of his jib. 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:31.720 Ye codswallop. 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:36.120 Yeah, I've talked about this and looked up lots of things. 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:40.000 That's there's all kinds of stories about this. There was 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:42.720 a mister Cod who was one of the earliest bottlers 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.680 of soft drink, and he used to. In fact, he 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:47.640 was famous because he used to seal them with a 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:50.880 round glass marble, And so little boys then proceeded to 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:54.280 break the marble out of the bottle top so they 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:57.800 could play marbles with them. But it was now it 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:01.040 wasn't It wasn't an alcoholic drink, so it was regarded 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:03.360 as not as good. It was wallop, and it was 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:05.680 made by mister Coyd. It was Cod's wallop. That's the 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:09.440 popular story. The dates don't actually fit. It's a lovely story, 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:11.600 and I wish it was true, but it appears not 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:17.040 to be true. It's probably just a jocular nonsense invention 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:21.840 saying this is nonsense, and the stories all came along later. 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:26.160 Yeah, kill a brown dog. It would kill a brown dog. 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:29.240 Or something that's really bad. A bad smell, a bad taste, 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:32.320 bad enough to kill a brown dog. Why a brown dog, 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:34.880 I don't know. Why black or white dogs would be 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:38.680 immune is beyond me. I really, I really can't cast 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:39.680 a lot of light on that. 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:43.760 Yeah, Doug is asking this one about hard liquor. So 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:46.760 we talk about hard liquor. We understand strong liquor, but 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:51.200 hard liquor has because that's A, and I'm assuming the 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:54.800 hard liquor is maybe A. I would assume that's a 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:57.920 reference to spirits as opposed to wine or beer. 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:01.000 I think it's simply a reference to alcohol, because soft 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:04.800 drinks are non alcoholic. Yeah, so once it's got alcohol 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:08.280 in it's it's hard licor it's a hard drink rather 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:10.000 than a soft drinks. In other words, it's to do 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:12.200 with her. It's safe for children and adults. 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:14.760 Yeah, Yosemite, Sam was the person I was thinking of. 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:17.080 But I've got what was the refrain that you sementy Sam? 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.640 It wasn't jump and jojosaphats, it was something else, I think, 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:22.679 So thank you very much for that. Yeah, suffering sacotash. 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:27.320 Thank you, suffern succotash. That was a great one, which 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:31.240 was Yosemite Sam. Denise is saying this. She sends a 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:34.800 text here saying crescendo is a lovely musical word. She 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:39.600 puts in a couple of I think that's my wife. Hope, 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:45.200 my wife's not listening. Which is a Is that a crotchet? No? Anyway, Okay. 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:49.000 Sacotash, by the way, is a dish of corn and 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:52.560 beans cooked together. The name for it comes from a 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:58.080 North American Indian word or Native American word known in 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:02.359 America from the late seventeen and suffering suckertash is just 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:05.040 one of these illiterative things that makes it sound like fun. 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:07.360 Yeah, you know, we're going to go down because someone say, 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:08.639 I think that was snuggle puss? 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:10.719 Was it a snaggle puss? 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:13.760 Snaggle puss? And then we've got your seventy said, I'm 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:15.359 going to try and pull these together in a moment. 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.720 So because there was snagglepuss, wasn't that snaggle puss? 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:23.160 Exit stage right, stage left, even Yeah, exactly. 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:24.880 All right, let's take a break, come back in the moment. 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:27.160 We've got more to do here and plenty of questions 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:28.960 that have come in during the week. We're talking words 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.560 and language here with Kel Richards at twenty three minutes 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:35.639 to eleven. Yes, Christunda means so, it means gradually louder. 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:37.679 A few people have said that I played the viola 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:40.920 many years ago and that would be beautiful to play. 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:44.480 To get hold of that. Also, Sylvester the Cat. Quite 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:46.960 a few people are saying thank you on the text 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:51.640 line and also on email. Suffering suck atash was said 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:56.120 by Sylvester the cat and Snagglepus was heavens to Murgatroyd. 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:58.800 Steve's on the line, is that what you're saying to us? 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:06.600 Steve, Yeah, I believe that suffering sacotash was what they 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:13.320 call a minced metaphor, so instead of blaspheeming was a 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:16.040 metophour for suffering Jesus. 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:20.000 So it's in that basket we've talked about kill all 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:23.320 those expressions where they're they're sort of substituting words. 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:26.080 It's a bit hard to know. One of the reasons 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:28.560 is that there's a number of these expressions, and I 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:31.080 think heavens to Murgatroyd would be one of them that 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:36.200