Speaker 1: Nicole Senior is a radio host in the community realm commentator.
Speaker 1: She's on the line, good morning, How are you, Hi, Mike,
Speaker 1: I'm good.
Speaker 2: How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm fine, Thank you. I'm just interested in your opinion
Speaker 1: about this sweeping gesture by the government. We're not sure
Speaker 1: what the gesture looks like, but apparently under sixteen's will
Speaker 1: not be able to access social media. I'm not even
Speaker 1: sure how far that goes. I mean, can I still
Speaker 1: look up odd websites? You know? I like to look
Speaker 1: up these unusual news websites all over the place. I
Speaker 1: suppose I can do that without having a picture taken
Speaker 1: in my face. But you've gotten under sixteen in the household,
Speaker 1: haven't you.
Speaker 2: I do I have? Well, I've got an eighteen year
Speaker 2: old and I've also got a seven year old. So look,
Speaker 2: I think it's a great idea. But how they are
Speaker 2: going to implement this, my mind bobbles how they can
Speaker 2: do this. For example, at the moment, I can't even
Speaker 2: set up a Spotify account for my seven year old son,
Speaker 2: who listens to a lot of music. He has. There's
Speaker 2: a Child's or kids Spotify account, but a lot of
Speaker 2: the songs he listens to he finds on YouTube and
Speaker 2: I can't get it on the kids one, so I
Speaker 2: have to create an account for him under one of
Speaker 2: my email addresses. How on earth are they going to
Speaker 2: stop children under the age of sixteen from accessing social media.
Speaker 2: There's so many ways you can get around it. Recognition
Speaker 2: like it's probably the only thing. But that's overstepping the mark,
Speaker 2: don't you think.
Speaker 1: I do you? But before we get onto that, just
Speaker 1: tell me why can't he access certain music as a
Speaker 1: seven year old? Is because the music is not suitable
Speaker 1: for him? Or is there something else to play?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be. It could be when they have
Speaker 2: a when he has a child. The children's account it things.
Speaker 2: When I say children, it's like the Wiggles, that kind
Speaker 2: of music, really young kid kind of music.
Speaker 1: Now it's not going to be wap, is it?
Speaker 2: No? No? And he plays games like he likes to play,
Speaker 2: things like Roadblocks and Minecraft and even Minecraft music you
Speaker 2: can't find on the kids YouTube. That's interesting, I account.
Speaker 1: I had no idea, but here's here's what I think
Speaker 1: is interesting. Just imagine if you're eighteen year old tries
Speaker 1: to access something on social media and the device says
Speaker 1: and I believe from tests run so far, are quite possible.
Speaker 1: The device says, no, you're only fifteen. That's going to
Speaker 1: be an issue for you, isn't it.
Speaker 2: It would be an issue for me. I mean, look,
Speaker 2: he looks a lot older than eighteen. He's got a
Speaker 2: mustache and a little goady going on, so I don't
Speaker 2: think he'd be a fifteen year old. But I think
Speaker 2: for those kids that are quite baby faced, it would
Speaker 2: throw off I'm sorry, you're not old enough to access this,
Speaker 2: but in reality they are. So what do they have
Speaker 2: to do? Start uploading their birth certificates to prove it?
Speaker 2: Like I think, gets a little bit out of hand.
Speaker 1: And how do you know it's their birth certificate not
Speaker 1: when they borrowed from a mate?
Speaker 2: Well, exactly right. I think there's Like I said, I
Speaker 2: think they're going to find it very hard to manage
Speaker 2: accessing social media for under sixteens. But I do I
Speaker 2: completely understand why, and I think it's the bullying. The
Speaker 2: cyber bullying is probably the biggest thing, and I completely
Speaker 2: and usly agree with it from that perspective, But it's
Speaker 2: how do you manage it? That's the hard part. Managing
Speaker 2: it would be difficult.
Speaker 1: I was looking at a story a few hours ago
Speaker 1: that is blaming social media for eating disorders with teenage girls.
Speaker 1: Do you think that's true?
Speaker 2: Yes, And I can speak openly about that because one
Speaker 2: of my closest friends, their daughter has gone through something
Speaker 2: very similar. It's due to influencers, influences on Instagram, Snapchat, Facebook,
Speaker 2: Maybe not so much Facebook. Facebook is more for the
Speaker 2: older crowd, i'd say, but all these other even TikTok.
Speaker 2: TikTok's another one. All the influencers that are out there
Speaker 2: promoting you know, health and fitness with the incorrect information
Speaker 2: and very unhealthy levels of information to all this younger generation,
Speaker 2: which is why I think they are trying to implement
Speaker 2: that age limit, because after the age of sixteen, I
Speaker 2: think they've got their head screwed on a little bit more.
Speaker 2: But it's awful. I wouldn't say you would blame social media,
Speaker 2: but I think kids need to understand that the stuff
Speaker 2: on social media is exactly that. It's fake. It's not reality.
Speaker 2: It really isn't. I create videos on TikTok all the time.
Speaker 2: You use filters, you use music, you can there's so
Speaker 2: many different things you can do in those platforms to
Speaker 2: make yourself look better, looks thinner, look satter, whatever it
Speaker 2: might be, it's not real. And I think kids at
Speaker 2: the under the age of sixteen don't have that life
Speaker 2: experience and the understanding to go that's a load of crap,
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? That's the problem we've got.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, what do you say to people
Speaker 1: who say, oh, yeah, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: at sixteen they have to confront this having no experience whatever.
Speaker 2: Oh I think. Look, one of my bosses quite a
Speaker 2: sad story, but his daughter went through something similar at
Speaker 2: the same age, about sixteen. She had an eating disorder
Speaker 2: and spend a lot of time in hospital. And I
Speaker 2: was actually talking to him about that on Thursday, and
Speaker 2: he said, it is a most horrific experience for any
Speaker 2: family to go through, especially at such a young age,
Speaker 2: when they don't quite understand the consequences of watching all
Speaker 2: of these people online and they can't articulate the difference
Speaker 2: between reality and what's real. And the worst part is
Speaker 2: a lot of them are famous actors and actresses, and
Speaker 2: you know, promoting huge ounce of weight loss, and then
Speaker 2: a lot of them people are saying, oh, that's a
Speaker 2: zampick or something like that. I think, I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's just really toxic. At the moment I know where
Speaker 2: to draw the line, I'm like, yeah, I'm not following it. Gone, gone, gone.
Speaker 2: But I'm forty one years old. All these younger kids
Speaker 2: that don't have the capability to do that yet.
Speaker 1: There are certain themes that keep cropping up, not necessarily
Speaker 1: along the lines that we are discussing, but there's one
Speaker 1: that says this insert whoever it is, well known, star
Speaker 1: politician whatever, was sued by the Reserve Bank for giving
Speaker 1: this secret away. How it's possible to make money in
Speaker 1: Australia without working. And I see this over and over,
Speaker 1: and I know some of the people who are being
Speaker 1: featured in it. The most recent one I saw was
Speaker 1: Penny Wong. I'm not saying that I know Penny, but
Speaker 1: I would bet the house on her not supporting this,
Speaker 1: and yet nothing is done about it. So really, I suppose,
Speaker 1: because to be clear, you think it's a good idea, right,
Speaker 1: but you don't know how they're going to go about it.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. If it comes to
Speaker 1: the point where we all have to say who we are,
Speaker 1: are you prepared to subbort it to that extent.
Speaker 2: I struggle with AI. I have a massive fear of AI,
Speaker 2: and I've seen it. I work for one of the
Speaker 2: big four banks full time and it is constantly our
Speaker 2: work in technology, so it is constantly discussed the fear
Speaker 2: of AI and especially video generated footage, and you know,
Speaker 2: it happens all the time. It's happening with a lot
Speaker 2: of famous people saying, oh, I've seen them in a
Speaker 2: video online. They've said that they're going to do this
Speaker 2: and this, or they know agree with this or don't
Speaker 2: agree with this, and it's like, oh, that was not me.
Speaker 2: I never ever once did that. It's very how real
Speaker 2: it is. There are ways you can pick up whether
Speaker 2: it's real or not, but you need to understand the
Speaker 2: technology to do that. Most people don't. And working as
Speaker 2: a voice actor, because I'm a voice actor too, Working
Speaker 2: as a voice actor AI is one of the biggest
Speaker 2: issues in that industry. So it's not a good thing
Speaker 2: for anyone.
Speaker 1: So if somebody could take your voice without your permission
Speaker 1: and use it, yeah, correct, Yes, you also told me
Speaker 1: when we discussed that we were going to talk about
Speaker 1: this on the program that you were concerned about a
Speaker 1: I generated porno or nude pictures at the very least
Speaker 1: of high school girls in particular, and how disastrous it
Speaker 1: can be for them.
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, I think. Well, I've read on the news
Speaker 2: recently there's been a couple of instances where footage has
Speaker 2: been leaked around schools or university campuses of particular women,
Speaker 2: and those women it was not them in that footage.
Speaker 2: It was their face, but it was not their body.
Speaker 2: And a lot of these pornographic sides are created by
Speaker 2: males and distributed to other males. And the scary part
Speaker 2: was the only reason why this particular person found out
Speaker 2: about it was somebody she knew had seen it and
Speaker 2: brought it to her attention, and she had no idea
Speaker 2: that that was happening. And that's the scary part. If
Speaker 2: you know someone that sees it, great, they can bring
Speaker 2: it to your attention.
Speaker 1: But if you.
Speaker 2: Don't know, you've got your face on someone else's body
Speaker 2: c circulating around god knows where. That's scary. That is
Speaker 2: really scary.
Speaker 1: You know. In years gone by, a couple of my
Speaker 1: more ardent I suppose female listeners thinking it through have
Speaker 1: sent me photographs. I know it's them, but the photograph
Speaker 1: has only been from the shoulders down naked I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: But that wouldn't save them, now, would it.
Speaker 2: No, it's not hard to DoPT something like that.
Speaker 1: Well, that's right, and so I guess they're thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, if it does, somebody else does, somebody else
Speaker 1: won't know it's me. But now you can basically create
Speaker 1: what you like and just toying around with AI. You know,
Speaker 1: the other day, Dale was generating a picture of Vladimir
Speaker 1: Putin writing a unicorn and Dale, indeed, but it was
Speaker 1: so easy to do.
Speaker 2: Miss It was because there's a lot of programs. And look,
Speaker 2: I'm not dissing the programs. I use a lot of
Speaker 2: AI programs. I love Chat GTP. I'm a massive fan
Speaker 2: of it, and I also like the video content, so
Speaker 2: I use camera a lot, and there is an AI
Speaker 2: option in Canbra. But I think it all comes down
Speaker 2: to the integrity behind, like of the person using the app.
Speaker 2: If you're going to do it for good's you going
Speaker 2: to use it for something like work related or something
Speaker 2: like that, I think it's fine. But as soon as
Speaker 2: you start using it for something that's going to damage
Speaker 2: someone's reputation. I think there needs to be something in
Speaker 2: place for that. And I could just imagine that the
Speaker 2: Feds would be up to their eyeballs and how the
Speaker 2: hell are we going to manage this, like, how are
Speaker 2: we going to how are you going to legalize or
Speaker 2: make these things illegal? And actually manage it? From that standpoint,
Speaker 2: I don't think you can. It's too much.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you think the idea is good, but you
Speaker 1: don't think it's possible to pull it off.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's possible to pull it off. I
Speaker 2: think the idea is good, though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, thanks Nicole.
Speaker 2: Thanks Mike Nicole
Speaker 1: Senior, who's a radio host in the Community Spectrum and
Speaker 1: also a commentator commentating there.