WEBVTT - Australia's under-16s social media ban now one step closer

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<v Speaker 1>Nicole Senior is a radio host in the community realm commentator.

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<v Speaker 1>She's on the line, good morning, How are you, Hi, Mike,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fine, Thank you. I'm just interested in your opinion

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<v Speaker 1>about this sweeping gesture by the government. We're not sure

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<v Speaker 1>what the gesture looks like, but apparently under sixteen's will

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<v Speaker 1>not be able to access social media. I'm not even

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<v Speaker 1>sure how far that goes. I mean, can I still

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<v Speaker 1>look up odd websites? You know? I like to look

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<v Speaker 1>up these unusual news websites all over the place. I

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<v Speaker 1>suppose I can do that without having a picture taken

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<v Speaker 1>in my face. But you've gotten under sixteen in the household,

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<v Speaker 1>haven't you.

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<v Speaker 2>I do I have? Well, I've got an eighteen year

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<v Speaker 2>old and I've also got a seven year old. So look,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a great idea. But how they are

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<v Speaker 2>going to implement this, my mind bobbles how they can

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<v Speaker 2>do this. For example, at the moment, I can't even

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<v Speaker 2>set up a Spotify account for my seven year old son,

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<v Speaker 2>who listens to a lot of music. He has. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a Child's or kids Spotify account, but a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the songs he listens to he finds on YouTube and

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<v Speaker 2>I can't get it on the kids one, so I

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<v Speaker 2>have to create an account for him under one of

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<v Speaker 2>my email addresses. How on earth are they going to

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<v Speaker 2>stop children under the age of sixteen from accessing social media.

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<v Speaker 2>There's so many ways you can get around it. Recognition

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<v Speaker 2>like it's probably the only thing. But that's overstepping the mark,

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<v Speaker 2>don't you think.

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<v Speaker 1>I do you? But before we get onto that, just

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<v Speaker 1>tell me why can't he access certain music as a

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<v Speaker 1>seven year old? Is because the music is not suitable

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<v Speaker 1>for him? Or is there something else to play?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it could be. It could be when they have

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<v Speaker 2>a when he has a child. The children's account it things.

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<v Speaker 2>When I say children, it's like the Wiggles, that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of music, really young kid kind of music.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it's not going to be wap, is it?

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<v Speaker 2>No? No? And he plays games like he likes to play,

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<v Speaker 2>things like Roadblocks and Minecraft and even Minecraft music you

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<v Speaker 2>can't find on the kids YouTube. That's interesting, I account.

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea, but here's here's what I think

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<v Speaker 1>is interesting. Just imagine if you're eighteen year old tries

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<v Speaker 1>to access something on social media and the device says

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<v Speaker 1>and I believe from tests run so far, are quite possible.

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<v Speaker 1>The device says, no, you're only fifteen. That's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be an issue for you, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be an issue for me. I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 2>he looks a lot older than eighteen. He's got a

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<v Speaker 2>mustache and a little goady going on, so I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think he'd be a fifteen year old. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>for those kids that are quite baby faced, it would

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<v Speaker 2>throw off I'm sorry, you're not old enough to access this,

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<v Speaker 2>but in reality they are. So what do they have

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<v Speaker 2>to do? Start uploading their birth certificates to prove it?

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<v Speaker 2>Like I think, gets a little bit out of hand.

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<v Speaker 1>And how do you know it's their birth certificate not

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<v Speaker 1>when they borrowed from a mate?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, exactly right. I think there's Like I said, I

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<v Speaker 2>think they're going to find it very hard to manage

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<v Speaker 2>accessing social media for under sixteens. But I do I

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<v Speaker 2>completely understand why, and I think it's the bullying. The

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<v Speaker 2>cyber bullying is probably the biggest thing, and I completely

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<v Speaker 2>and usly agree with it from that perspective, But it's

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<v Speaker 2>how do you manage it? That's the hard part. Managing

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<v Speaker 2>it would be difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>I was looking at a story a few hours ago

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<v Speaker 1>that is blaming social media for eating disorders with teenage girls.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that's true?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And I can speak openly about that because one

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<v Speaker 2>of my closest friends, their daughter has gone through something

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<v Speaker 2>very similar. It's due to influencers, influences on Instagram, Snapchat, Facebook,

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe not so much Facebook. Facebook is more for the

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<v Speaker 2>older crowd, i'd say, but all these other even TikTok.

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<v Speaker 2>TikTok's another one. All the influencers that are out there

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<v Speaker 2>promoting you know, health and fitness with the incorrect information

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<v Speaker 2>and very unhealthy levels of information to all this younger generation,

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<v Speaker 2>which is why I think they are trying to implement

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<v Speaker 2>that age limit, because after the age of sixteen, I

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<v Speaker 2>think they've got their head screwed on a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's awful. I wouldn't say you would blame social media,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think kids need to understand that the stuff

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<v Speaker 2>on social media is exactly that. It's fake. It's not reality.

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<v Speaker 2>It really isn't. I create videos on TikTok all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>You use filters, you use music, you can there's so

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<v Speaker 2>many different things you can do in those platforms to

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<v Speaker 2>make yourself look better, looks thinner, look satter, whatever it

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<v Speaker 2>might be, it's not real. And I think kids at

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<v Speaker 2>the under the age of sixteen don't have that life

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<v Speaker 2>experience and the understanding to go that's a load of crap,

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<v Speaker 2>do you know what I mean? That's the problem we've got.

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<v Speaker 1>On the other hand, what do you say to people

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<v Speaker 1>who say, oh, yeah, and then all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 1>at sixteen they have to confront this having no experience whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I think. Look, one of my bosses quite a

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<v Speaker 2>sad story, but his daughter went through something similar at

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<v Speaker 2>the same age, about sixteen. She had an eating disorder

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<v Speaker 2>and spend a lot of time in hospital. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was actually talking to him about that on Thursday, and

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<v Speaker 2>he said, it is a most horrific experience for any

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<v Speaker 2>family to go through, especially at such a young age,

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<v Speaker 2>when they don't quite understand the consequences of watching all

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<v Speaker 2>of these people online and they can't articulate the difference

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<v Speaker 2>between reality and what's real. And the worst part is

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of them are famous actors and actresses, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, promoting huge ounce of weight loss, and then

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of them people are saying, oh, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>zampick or something like that. I think, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just really toxic. At the moment I know where

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<v Speaker 2>to draw the line, I'm like, yeah, I'm not following it. Gone, gone, gone.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm forty one years old. All these younger kids

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<v Speaker 2>that don't have the capability to do that yet.

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<v Speaker 1>There are certain themes that keep cropping up, not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>along the lines that we are discussing, but there's one

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<v Speaker 1>that says this insert whoever it is, well known, star

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<v Speaker 1>politician whatever, was sued by the Reserve Bank for giving

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<v Speaker 1>this secret away. How it's possible to make money in

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<v Speaker 1>Australia without working. And I see this over and over,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know some of the people who are being

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<v Speaker 1>featured in it. The most recent one I saw was

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<v Speaker 1>Penny Wong. I'm not saying that I know Penny, but

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<v Speaker 1>I would bet the house on her not supporting this,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet nothing is done about it. So really, I suppose,

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<v Speaker 1>because to be clear, you think it's a good idea, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but you don't know how they're going to go about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So let me ask you this. If it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>the point where we all have to say who we are,

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<v Speaker 1>are you prepared to subbort it to that extent.

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<v Speaker 2>I struggle with AI. I have a massive fear of AI,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've seen it. I work for one of the

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<v Speaker 2>big four banks full time and it is constantly our

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<v Speaker 2>work in technology, so it is constantly discussed the fear

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<v Speaker 2>of AI and especially video generated footage, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it happens all the time. It's happening with a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of famous people saying, oh, I've seen them in a

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<v Speaker 2>video online. They've said that they're going to do this

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<v Speaker 2>and this, or they know agree with this or don't

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<v Speaker 2>agree with this, and it's like, oh, that was not me.

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<v Speaker 2>I never ever once did that. It's very how real

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<v Speaker 2>it is. There are ways you can pick up whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's real or not, but you need to understand the

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<v Speaker 2>technology to do that. Most people don't. And working as

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<v Speaker 2>a voice actor, because I'm a voice actor too, Working

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<v Speaker 2>as a voice actor AI is one of the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>issues in that industry. So it's not a good thing

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<v Speaker 2>for anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>So if somebody could take your voice without your permission

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<v Speaker 1>and use it, yeah, correct, Yes, you also told me

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<v Speaker 1>when we discussed that we were going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>this on the program that you were concerned about a

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<v Speaker 1>I generated porno or nude pictures at the very least

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<v Speaker 1>of high school girls in particular, and how disastrous it

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<v Speaker 1>can be for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, yeah, I think. Well, I've read on the news

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<v Speaker 2>recently there's been a couple of instances where footage has

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<v Speaker 2>been leaked around schools or university campuses of particular women,

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<v Speaker 2>and those women it was not them in that footage.

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<v Speaker 2>It was their face, but it was not their body.

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<v Speaker 2>And a lot of these pornographic sides are created by

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<v Speaker 2>males and distributed to other males. And the scary part

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<v Speaker 2>was the only reason why this particular person found out

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<v Speaker 2>about it was somebody she knew had seen it and

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<v Speaker 2>brought it to her attention, and she had no idea

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<v Speaker 2>that that was happening. And that's the scary part. If

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<v Speaker 2>you know someone that sees it, great, they can bring

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<v Speaker 2>it to your attention.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know, you've got your face on someone else's body

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<v Speaker 2>c circulating around god knows where. That's scary. That is

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<v Speaker 2>really scary.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. In years gone by, a couple of my

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<v Speaker 1>more ardent I suppose female listeners thinking it through have

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<v Speaker 1>sent me photographs. I know it's them, but the photograph

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<v Speaker 1>has only been from the shoulders down naked I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>But that wouldn't save them, now, would it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not hard to DoPT something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's right, and so I guess they're thinking, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if it does, somebody else does, somebody else

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<v Speaker 1>won't know it's me. But now you can basically create

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<v Speaker 1>what you like and just toying around with AI. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the other day, Dale was generating a picture of Vladimir

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<v Speaker 1>Putin writing a unicorn and Dale, indeed, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>so easy to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Miss It was because there's a lot of programs. And look,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not dissing the programs. I use a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>AI programs. I love Chat GTP. I'm a massive fan

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<v Speaker 2>of it, and I also like the video content, so

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<v Speaker 2>I use camera a lot, and there is an AI

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<v Speaker 2>option in Canbra. But I think it all comes down

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<v Speaker 2>to the integrity behind, like of the person using the app.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're going to do it for good's you going

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<v Speaker 2>to use it for something like work related or something

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<v Speaker 2>like that, I think it's fine. But as soon as

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<v Speaker 2>you start using it for something that's going to damage

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<v Speaker 2>someone's reputation. I think there needs to be something in

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<v Speaker 2>place for that. And I could just imagine that the

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<v Speaker 2>Feds would be up to their eyeballs and how the

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<v Speaker 2>hell are we going to manage this, like, how are

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<v Speaker 2>we going to how are you going to legalize or

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<v Speaker 2>make these things illegal? And actually manage it? From that standpoint,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you can. It's too much.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you think the idea is good, but you

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it's possible to pull it off.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's possible to pull it off. I

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<v Speaker 2>think the idea is good, though.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, thanks Nicole.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Mike Nicole

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<v Speaker 1>Senior, who's a radio host in the Community Spectrum and

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<v Speaker 1>also a commentator commentating there.