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S1: Um. You guys good? Good to go. Ready?

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S2: Focus on Africa every day. Just what is happening in Africa.

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S2: In what? Upstairs and the sales meeting. He's on the floor. Tom.

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S3: They cannot believe what we said and the fact that

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S4: If this focus group isn't real, I'm going to take

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S4: you apart like a human string cheese.

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S5: It's like.

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S2: Israel-Palestine, except harder.

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UU: And much more important.

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S6: Welcome to the Drop and our Succession Recap podcast. I'm

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S6: Usman Farooqi. I'm here with Thomas Mitchell and Meg Watson

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S6: to break down Episode two of Successions fourth and final season. Hey,

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S6: Thomas and Meg want to do karaoke like they do

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S7: I'm always a yes for karaoke.

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S6: Meg, you and I have actually done karaoke before. I

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S8: Sing? I sang a lot of songs because it was

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S8: which is a sad song like Connor, but you know,

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S6: Thomas What are you going to karaoke tune?

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S7: I do. Let me take you back to June 1999. Wow.

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S7: It's a hot one. Where? Seven inches from the midday sun. Smooth.

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S7: Carlos Santana. Rob Thomas. It's one of the all time

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S6: I think I've kind of had sung either torn or smooth.

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S6: It would have been a much more fun, energetic karaoke room.

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S7: Yeah, things would have worked out very differently. Reverend Logan

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S6: I don't have a great singing voice, but let's get

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S6: into our discussion of episode two titled Rehearsal. There are

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S6: We're common. They debate among themselves the pending sale of

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S3: You're good folks. You're the best. Or you wouldn't be

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S7: I think firstly, I could have predicted that they would

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S6: that he's not happy with how much money has been spent.

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S6: Tom is so quick to say, Oh no, Sid loves

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S6: a lot of space. So Sid is kind of Tom's

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S6: main nemesis for power within the structure of A-10, and

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S6: he's so quick to be like, It's actually her. And

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S6: announced that Sid's on the way out. It's Tom and

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S6: him who are going to drive the A-10 kind of revitalization.

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S6: Meg Was there anything else from the kind of A-10

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S6: plotline here in Logan's? As Thomas puts it, Braveheart speech

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S6: that you thought was worth highlighting?

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S8: I think it shows how differently him and the kids

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S8: but to see them back to back is pretty stark.

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S8: You know, he's so hands on, so methodical, so focused

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S8: that was like, What's going on with Africa? Like, who's

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S8: the audience for that? What are we doing here? Whereas Logan,

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S8: and he has an audience and it's just so much smarter.

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S8: I mean, yeah, he's always going to come out on

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S6: I think it was also interesting. So the kind of

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S6: It's probably the sea plot really is this story about Kerry,

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S6: And that leads to some kind of just really funny

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S6: slapstick moments. But what I think is the most interesting

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S6: takeaway from that is as much as he wants to

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S6: do it, when he realizes that it's not going to

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S6: be good, he backs away very quickly. Like he is

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S6: still thinking about the business, right? That's his number one. Yeah.

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S7: He knows that Kerry sucks, but he doesn't want to

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S7: stop like sleeping with Kerry. So he outsources obviously to

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S7: Tom and he says so many.

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S7: Greg. I'm not involved. I'm not involved. Like Logan doesn't

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S7: who then naturally, as things tend to go in succession,

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S7: he gives it to Greg who blows it.

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S6: Yeah, I mean, he gave it a go, right? Meg Like,

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S6: I think he, he did say the lines and I

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S6: couldn't really see it ending any other way. How do

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S6: you think, how do you think, Greg, Tom handled this

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S6: kind of very awkward, delicate situation.

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S8: As best as they prepared to with their skill sets,

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S8: I think. I mean, yeah, Greg's kind of mumbling. I

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S8: did the job, like it doesn't need to be pretty,

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S8: but I did it and I think it, you know,

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S8: as much of a pushover as Tom is in those

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S8: scenes with Logan, it just shows how that power dynamic

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S8: works and the power Logan has as well. I think

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S8: even the way that those scenes are shot and acted

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S8: with those like tight close ups and jumping around, you

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S8: can feel the tension. And I mean, Tom did the

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S8: best he could. He was able to read Logan's microexpressions

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S8: well enough to sense where he needed to go, which

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S8: is what you can do.

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S6: Yeah, it's a good point. I mean, and Greg does

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S6: get very unceremonious directed to fuck off. Fuck off by

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S6: Logan when he's talking about the sogginess of the pizza,

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S6: which is incredible. Like what? Like the fact that Logan

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S6: seems for a minute to be quite focused on the

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S6: pizza situation.

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S7: Yeah, there's a SOG factor. Yeah.

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S6: It's like, Oh, Tom, it's not about the pizza.

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S7: I thought it was funny. Like that Spoke very much

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S7: to the tone of this episode. Like, just as you know,

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S7: Greg was almost like getting into his Greg isms. Logan

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S7: was just like, Fuck off, Greg. Like, there was no

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S7: there's no time for Greg. It's Greg likes this episode.

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S7: There's not a lot of time for him because there's

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S7: so much else going on.

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S6: Let's let's pivot to Connor and his incredibly depressing rehearsal dinner.

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S6: I got to say, I don't totally understand the purpose

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S6: of rehearsal dinners. Like, what are you rehearsing? You just

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S6: it's only for wedding people.

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S7: Only rich weddings. I've ever been to have rehearsals, Right?

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S6: You didn't have a rehearsal dinner?

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S1: Absolutely not.

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S6: And I mean, if this is a rehearsal and it

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S6: ends with Willa and her entire friendship group leaving, that

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S6: is a pretty ominous sign. So that's kind of where.

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S6: The siblings Meet Connor. He's sort of all alone, drinking

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S6: red wine on this big, empty, sad table. And he's

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S6: excited to see them. But very quickly, they just want

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S6: I think. And I guess I can see why they

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S6: did it, because it leads to this confrontation at the end.

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S6: They know that Connor is not on their side. He's

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S6: not part of what he describes, the rebel alliance. But

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S6: then they just talk in intimate detail about what's happening.

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S6: And that seems like a pretty big fuck up, mate.

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S1: Well, I have.

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S8: A question about that, because in the bar they kind

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S8: of address, you know, should we break away and talk

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S8: about it? Is that okay? And Roman's the one who's like,

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S8: Should we loop Connor in here? He's the one who

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S8: suggests maybe we can just talk about it together. And

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S8: you can read that as you know, Let's be nice

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S8: to Connor. He's having the most depressing night of his life.

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S8: Or you can read it as you know. Maybe I

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S8: want to loop dad in, but I don't want to

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S8: be the one who cops the hate.

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S6: Yeah. And that. And during that discussion, we also get

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S6: the text message on Roman's phone from Dad. So there

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S6: are a few breadcrumbs there that Roman is already sort

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S6: of he's not quite as in with the siblings as

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S6: kind of seems on the surface, but it does seem

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S6: like he still does care about business. That's what's motivating him.

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S6: We've already seen Shiv sort of pivot away because of

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S6: her antagonism towards Tom and her dad. And then during

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S6: this kind of hang out with Connor, we see first

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S6: Kendall rebuff Stewy. And I think one of the things

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S6: this show does so well is unlike other shows, one

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S6: of my pet peeves is when someone gets a text

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S6: the first text message they've ever received from that person.

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S6: There's no chat history, even if they've been married for

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S6: 30 years.

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S1: You need to see the thread.

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S6: You've got to see the thread. And this show shows

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S6: you emails, it shows you threads. There's been interviews with

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S6: the with the cast who say, when you see us

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S6: typing on a laptop, we are getting emails. The producers

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S6: are sending us emails at that time so we can

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S6: react in real time. And we see Kendalls text chain

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S6: with Stewie. What Stewie's basically saying like, You know what

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S6: makes sense? This makes sense. You should do the deal.

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S6: So we get a sense that he's been being lobbied.

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S6: It's not working until he gets this video call from

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S6: Lucas Mattson, who basically says.

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S16: So either back off or I'm going to walk. I

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S16: got you loud and clear.

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S17: Go ahead. I think that's it. Roy?

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S18: Yes, we dreams.

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S6: Don't you dare blow this up, because it will be

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S6: the end of this deal. And that really, interestingly, is

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S6: what animates him. Why do you think that is, Thomas?

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S6: Is it because he thinks there's a chance here or

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S6: he just wants to.

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S1: Piss off his dad?

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S7: I think yeah. I think Kendall, no matter how much

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S7: he is looking forward to spending his part of the

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S7: merger money, he's still so driven by everything that his

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S7: when he obviously clocks from Madison, okay, this deal could

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S7: actually blow up or Madison is worried. And so that yeah,

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S7: that gives him the kind of the nugget to be like, well,

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S7: hold on, maybe we won't jump in feet first. Maybe

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S7: I can kind of start to think about what she

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S7: was thinking about and maybe we can stall dad and either, like,

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S7: I suppose it's win win for Kendall. We get another

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S7: 100 million, I think he says, or we get we

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S7: get more money out of Madison. We all win or we,

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S7: you know, derail Dad's plans. And that to me is like,

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S7: exactly what I need. So, yeah, Kendall kind of switches

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S7: in that moment pretty quickly and he heads back inside

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S7: and then things really start to kick off. Succession, as

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S7: we all know, does phone calls really well. It's probably

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S7: the best show on TV that does phone calls. But

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S7: I loved that video call between Kendall and Madison because

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S7: Kendall so quickly got down on like the bro level.

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S7: And he was like, you know, Madison was like, just

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S7: leave Good.

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S2: Honestly, not really. No.

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S16: I've never met anyone I respect. The sleep's good.

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S17: Tell me about it. When I open, bro.

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S7: When I talk to me, bro, Like when I open. Yes.

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S7: It's like, amazing. Like Kendall is just the biggest chameleon.

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S7: I love it.

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S6: So, Meg, do you think that, like. That's right. That Kendall,

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S6: basically he's not just trying to get more money at now.

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S6: He doesn't care if this deal blows up because he's

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S6: seen an opportunity to sort of ruin his dad's grand

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S6: plans or is he trying to trying to just get

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S6: more money?

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S8: I don't know. I mean, why does Kendall do anything?

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S8: I think I think it's probably more from an emotional place.

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S8: He's a guy who has issues with authority, with men

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S8: and authority. And to get a call like that from Madison,

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S8: I think he he responds to that. You know, he's

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S8: one to poke the bear and he's like, oh, I've

427
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S8: touched a nerve here. Let's see how far it can go.

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S8: Maybe that, you know, he thrives on that kind of antagonism.

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S6: He misses the fight and he sees an opportunity to

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S6: sort of go mano a mano against a guy like

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S6: he sees in his league.

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S7: Yeah. And also, yeah, like Madison calling him is like

433
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S7: a big ego stroke for Kendall. He's like, oh, he's caught.

434
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S7: I mean, like someone's reached out to me.

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S6: So essentially, with the support of the siblings, the Stewie

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S6: and Sandy faction have the numbers to stop this deal

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S6: going ahead. Word of that reaches Logan and his base.

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S6: He decides he needs to make an intervention. I think

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S6: this is also really an interesting insight into how strategic

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S6: his brain is, because Kerry, who's there, says, drew me

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S6: to call them. I can ream them out. And he says, No, no, no,

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S6: let's go delicate. So his whole thing of, I'm going

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S6: to go there. I'm going to go meet them where

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S6: they are. I'm going to basically put aside my ego

445
00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:37,290
S6: and I'm going to talk to them on their terms.

446
00:20:37,290 --> 00:20:39,660
S6: Is a strategic play. There's nothing genuine.

447
00:20:39,660 --> 00:20:43,630
S7: Also, weirdly, I thought proudest moment Logan's had all season. Yeah,

448
00:20:43,710 --> 00:20:45,479
S7: they have really good. They have some juice here. He

449
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,909
S7: was like, it was seriously the most genuine smile and

450
00:20:47,910 --> 00:20:49,980
S7: it was kind of like what we said last episode was,

451
00:20:49,980 --> 00:20:52,169
S7: you know, he was annoyed that their only play was

452
00:20:52,170 --> 00:20:54,030
S7: to come up with a really big number. And there

453
00:20:54,030 --> 00:20:55,740
S7: was a part of him that was like, okay, smart

454
00:20:55,740 --> 00:20:58,230
S7: tactical move, like, I'll come to meet you. But also

455
00:20:58,230 --> 00:21:01,230
S7: I am proud in my own sick, twisted, you know?

456
00:21:01,230 --> 00:21:01,830
S7: Logan It.

457
00:21:01,830 --> 00:21:02,580
S1: Was that smile.

458
00:21:02,580 --> 00:21:04,260
S6: To me reminded me of the smile he gave at

459
00:21:04,260 --> 00:21:06,570
S6: the end of season two when Kendall sort of does

460
00:21:06,570 --> 00:21:08,820
S6: that press conference, he's like, This is going to screw

461
00:21:08,820 --> 00:21:11,520
S6: me over, but I respect it. Finally, my kids are

462
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:12,899
S6: doing something smart. They're getting the.

463
00:21:12,900 --> 00:21:14,670
S1: Numbers. Shocked to shock. Exactly.

464
00:21:14,670 --> 00:21:15,570
S8: Yeah, he's a killer.

465
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,710
S6: And then he comes, he walks up to the karaoke,

466
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:24,570
S6: interrupts Paul Connor's extremely bizarre Leonard Cohen impersonation.

467
00:21:24,570 --> 00:21:31,530
S10: December, I'm writing you now just to see if you're better.

468
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,400
S10: New York is cold, but I And he.

469
00:21:36,030 --> 00:21:41,550
S6: Becomes group therapy pretty quickly. Meg, talk us through this

470
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,460
S6: like Thomas said at the start, I think a scene

471
00:21:44,460 --> 00:21:47,000
S6: that we will remember for a very long time. What

472
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:47,820
S6: did you make of it?

473
00:21:47,820 --> 00:21:51,360
S8: Yeah, I agree. I think there's something really special that

474
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,290
S8: happens in episodes of succession where everyone is in one

475
00:21:55,290 --> 00:21:57,929
S8: room and there's this kind of stillness that forces them

476
00:21:57,930 --> 00:22:00,570
S8: to actually talk about real things. And it happens so rarely.

477
00:22:00,570 --> 00:22:03,720
S8: If you think of how most episodes of succession run,

478
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,149
S8: it's people running around from city to city. They're on

479
00:22:06,150 --> 00:22:09,960
S8: private jets, they're in cabs, they're talking in separate rooms,

480
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,960
S8: the negotiating who can be in what room. It's so

481
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,200
S8: rare we actually get everyone in one space, and especially

482
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,409
S8: a space that's kind of neutral, as bizarre as it is.

483
00:22:19,530 --> 00:22:20,460
S8: You know, this carrier.

484
00:22:20,460 --> 00:22:20,790
S1: Karaoke.

485
00:22:20,940 --> 00:22:22,980
S8: Bar. Yeah, but, you know, it's not it's not one

486
00:22:22,980 --> 00:22:25,230
S8: of their houses. It's not an office. No one's won

487
00:22:25,230 --> 00:22:29,429
S8: that front. It reminded me a lot of the episode.

488
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:31,679
S8: Austerlitz in season one, where they all go out to

489
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,320
S8: Connor's ranch, New Mexico, which is the same kind of premise.

490
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:38,730
S8: And that was Logan telling everyone he wanted to do

491
00:22:38,730 --> 00:22:41,020
S8: family therapy. It. It was kind of a PR stunt

492
00:22:41,020 --> 00:22:43,830
S8: and everyone got together and it was just total bullshit.

493
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,960
S8: He didn't want to talk about anything real. But then,

494
00:22:47,140 --> 00:22:49,330
S8: you know, the way these things go when they're all

495
00:22:49,330 --> 00:22:52,030
S8: trapped together, it did actually get quite real. And the

496
00:22:52,030 --> 00:22:54,939
S8: family revealed certain things about how they were raised and

497
00:22:54,940 --> 00:22:57,190
S8: the trauma that they kind of went through Growing up.

498
00:22:57,190 --> 00:23:00,370
S8: We learned a bit about Logan's history, the end kind

499
00:23:00,369 --> 00:23:03,070
S8: of you see scars on his back from childhood abuse.

500
00:23:03,070 --> 00:23:05,889
S8: It's a really heavy episode. I mean, Kendall's in a deep,

501
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,199
S8: deep addiction spiral. At that point, banging on the windows.

502
00:23:09,220 --> 00:23:11,770
S8: It reminded me a lot of that, and there's a

503
00:23:11,770 --> 00:23:14,980
S8: lot of parallels as well. That's the first episode where

504
00:23:14,980 --> 00:23:17,859
S8: Connor asks Willa to move in with him. It's the

505
00:23:17,859 --> 00:23:21,400
S8: episode where Logan tells Shiv that Tom's fathoms beneath her

506
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,560
S8: and she's only with him because she doesn't want to

507
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,500
S8: get betrayed. It feels like a real full circle moment

508
00:23:26,740 --> 00:23:27,940
S8: in this final season.

509
00:23:28,300 --> 00:23:32,619
S6: It was really interesting that when Logan is willing to

510
00:23:32,619 --> 00:23:37,119
S6: apologize and acknowledge some of the things that he's done,

511
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,850
S6: which she wasn't willing to do in that episode, I mean.

512
00:23:39,850 --> 00:23:40,179
S7: Was he.

513
00:23:40,180 --> 00:23:41,439
S1: Willing? Well, this is.

514
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:42,850
S6: This is the question I've got for you guys, is

515
00:23:42,850 --> 00:23:45,760
S6: that it seemed to me that every sibling kind of

516
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,540
S6: had a different thing. They wanted Logan to apologize for,

517
00:23:49,540 --> 00:23:52,719
S6: like like Roman seemed pretty focused on at the end

518
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,640
S6: of season three, when you kind of did that deal

519
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,800
S6: with mom and locked us out of the decision making.

520
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:57,879
S6: That's the real issue.

521
00:23:57,910 --> 00:24:03,580
S1: Seriously, what fucked all this was when with Mom and Italy?

522
00:24:03,580 --> 00:24:07,030
S3: Yeah, okay. I've had certain thoughts about that.

523
00:24:07,210 --> 00:24:09,520
S6: Whereas Kendall, he's just like, No, no, no. Can we

524
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,560
S6: go back to square one? And the way that you

525
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:12,970
S6: raised and broke all of us.

526
00:24:12,970 --> 00:24:13,930
S1: What do you sorry for?

527
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,850
S2: Sorry for fucking ignoring Connor his whole life. It's strong

528
00:24:18,850 --> 00:24:22,060
S2: hitting Rome when he was a kid. Oh, no. I mean,

529
00:24:22,060 --> 00:24:25,720
S2: everyone hit me. I'm fucking annoying having Connor's mother locked up.

530
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,909
S10: Can we not do a whole show trial here?

531
00:24:27,910 --> 00:24:29,889
S9: What about advising Tom on. That's what.

532
00:24:29,890 --> 00:24:31,510
S7: I think. That's so interesting. And that's what I that

533
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:33,640
S7: was my favorite part of my favorite scene of this

534
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,150
S7: episode because it was so revealing as like it was

535
00:24:37,150 --> 00:24:38,650
S7: for the first time in a long time, we saw

536
00:24:38,650 --> 00:24:41,560
S7: the Roy family not as a really wealthy family of

537
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,270
S7: like media moguls that we can't relate to, but they

538
00:24:43,270 --> 00:24:45,610
S7: were just a family. And, you know, often it is

539
00:24:45,609 --> 00:24:49,420
S7: the oldest child that bears the brunt of whatever. If

540
00:24:49,420 --> 00:24:51,760
S7: you come from a traumatic background, whatever happens when you're

541
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,520
S7: younger and that that's so Kendall to a tee like,

542
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,550
S7: he quickly goes like, Are you going to apologize?

543
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:57,669
S8: Connor who's the eldest son?

544
00:24:58,390 --> 00:25:02,020
S7: Well, yeah, exactly. Connor is the oldest son. But like

545
00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:05,710
S7: in the proper, you know, real life siblings, it was like,

546
00:25:05,710 --> 00:25:07,960
S7: you're going to apologize for ignoring Connor his whole life.

547
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,970
S7: Are you going to apologize for hitting Roman? Are you

548
00:25:09,970 --> 00:25:12,760
S7: going to apologize for locking up Connor's mother? Like he.

549
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,399
S7: He dug into the trauma that he's clearly, like, carried

550
00:25:15,490 --> 00:25:20,140
S7: and still carries to this day. Whereas Shiv, who's like

551
00:25:20,140 --> 00:25:24,669
S7: the middle child again, benching Connor is the middle child who,

552
00:25:24,670 --> 00:25:26,260
S7: you know, kind of has a chip on his shoulder

553
00:25:26,260 --> 00:25:28,750
S7: and has the thing about being overlooked, she's also the

554
00:25:28,750 --> 00:25:31,899
S7: only female in a very male driven family in a

555
00:25:31,900 --> 00:25:36,010
S7: very patriarchal business. And she is still kind of smarting

556
00:25:36,010 --> 00:25:39,040
S7: about the fact that her own father has kind of

557
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,859
S7: teamed up with her ex-husband to screw her recently. And

558
00:25:41,859 --> 00:25:43,959
S7: then you've got Roman, who is the youngest child and

559
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,160
S7: is such a youngest child.

560
00:25:45,250 --> 00:25:47,500
S8: She's actually she's actually the youngest child.

561
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:49,420
S7: Is Roman, not the.

562
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:51,800
S8: I know it's really surprising because.

563
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:52,369
S1: The way that the.

564
00:25:52,369 --> 00:25:55,730
S6: Dynamics play it is basically like what you're saying. Really?

565
00:25:55,730 --> 00:25:56,750
S1: I did not know that.

566
00:25:56,750 --> 00:25:59,570
S7: Yeah. There you go. He learned something every day. Well,

567
00:25:59,570 --> 00:26:00,750
S7: that blows my theory out. So.

568
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:01,760
S1: But I think but I.

569
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,639
S6: Think that archetypes are exactly like you describe, I.

570
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:05,540
S1: Think. Yeah.

571
00:26:05,540 --> 00:26:07,400
S7: Because I mean, Roman really seems like the youngest child

572
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,590
S7: and he and this is what I think is curious

573
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:13,160
S7: about how the episode plays out. He feels like the peacemaker.

574
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,560
S7: He's like, Are you going to just apologize for the

575
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,899
S7: stuff about mom? That that really hurt us recently? And

576
00:26:17,900 --> 00:26:19,430
S7: if we kind of get through that, then we'll all

577
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:20,090
S7: be okay.

578
00:26:20,090 --> 00:26:22,250
S8: But I would argue that's a real middle child vibe.

579
00:26:22,250 --> 00:26:24,230
S8: The youngest child is the one who's like.

580
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:26,330
S6: The bratty one who.

581
00:26:26,330 --> 00:26:26,810
S1: Doesn't want to.

582
00:26:26,810 --> 00:26:28,940
S8: Yeah, like she really, really wants to talk about her

583
00:26:28,940 --> 00:26:31,250
S8: specific problem in the way that she's been hurt. Whereas

584
00:26:31,250 --> 00:26:34,220
S8: the middle child is like, Oh, well, I'm okay. You

585
00:26:34,220 --> 00:26:35,390
S8: can hit me. I'm annoying.

586
00:26:35,390 --> 00:26:36,700
S7: Yeah, everything will be okay.

587
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:37,700
S1: The show's writers.

588
00:26:37,700 --> 00:26:40,820
S6: Have also, like, played with Roman's character in so many

589
00:26:40,820 --> 00:26:43,070
S6: different ways. Like if you go back to season one,

590
00:26:43,070 --> 00:26:45,889
S6: he had a wife and kids who just disappear from

591
00:26:45,890 --> 00:26:48,109
S6: the show very quickly. So there is a bit of

592
00:26:48,109 --> 00:26:51,710
S6: like shapeshifting as they've figured out what they can actually

593
00:26:51,710 --> 00:26:55,340
S6: do with these sorts of characters. And it's interesting, you

594
00:26:55,340 --> 00:26:56,510
S6: kind of pulled me up to him, like you said. Well,

595
00:26:56,510 --> 00:27:00,949
S6: did did Logan really apologize when Roman is saying like,

596
00:27:00,950 --> 00:27:02,419
S6: that thing with my mum, that was that was the

597
00:27:02,420 --> 00:27:05,960
S6: real issue. Logan Logan just sort of says, What happens?

598
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,390
S6: He doesn't say sorry. He's just like, Oh yeah, when

599
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:09,500
S6: I did that thing, I.

600
00:27:09,500 --> 00:27:10,400
S1: Guess you thought.

601
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:10,850
S7: About it.

602
00:27:11,060 --> 00:27:12,270
S6: Yeah, yeah.

603
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:14,750
S1: And interestingly.

604
00:27:14,750 --> 00:27:19,129
S6: Shiv and Kendall, they say pretty solid after that interaction

605
00:27:19,130 --> 00:27:21,170
S6: with their dad. They kind of laugh about it. They

606
00:27:21,170 --> 00:27:23,810
S6: say that they were really kind of getting off on

607
00:27:23,810 --> 00:27:26,270
S6: it a little bit. Seeing their dad beg and squirm

608
00:27:26,270 --> 00:27:29,330
S6: was something that made them really happy. But again, like

609
00:27:29,330 --> 00:27:31,460
S6: you saw in that first episode of this season, Roman

610
00:27:31,460 --> 00:27:33,830
S6: doesn't feel great about it. He feels like this went

611
00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:35,869
S6: a bit too far. He doesn't like the fact that

612
00:27:35,869 --> 00:27:38,240
S6: they're joking about it. And the episode ends with him

613
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,650
S6: making a visit to his dad and essentially being gently

614
00:27:42,650 --> 00:27:45,389
S6: brought back into the fold since toast.

615
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:51,409
S3: I'm reinventing ATN. I need a fire breather, a ruthless

616
00:27:51,410 --> 00:27:55,670
S3: fuck who will do whatever it takes. Maybe I should go.

617
00:27:55,700 --> 00:27:57,710
S3: You're not Pearce.

618
00:27:58,790 --> 00:28:01,850
S6: Logan is stoking his ego by saying, I need to

619
00:28:01,850 --> 00:28:04,369
S6: bring you into this conversation with Madison. You and I

620
00:28:04,369 --> 00:28:06,830
S6: are going to rebuild. ATN Interestingly, I think what that

621
00:28:06,830 --> 00:28:10,040
S6: foreshadows is a bit of tension between Tom and Roman,

622
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,990
S6: because Tom's under the impression that it's going to be

623
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:15,379
S6: him running. ATN He then has to leave the room

624
00:28:15,380 --> 00:28:16,880
S6: in a very kind of like a scene that sort

625
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,760
S6: of reminded me of The Godfather, where Logan's sitting there

626
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,980
S6: in this big chair with his cardigan, and he just,

627
00:28:21,980 --> 00:28:23,960
S6: you know, he's got these rings, he's got the whiskey.

628
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,560
S6: He asks Tom quietly to leave and brings in Roman

629
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,960
S6: instead and says, It's actually going to be you, son.

630
00:28:30,140 --> 00:28:32,300
S6: I think that's one thing to watch is that tension.

631
00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:35,090
S6: But yeah, it seems like none of us were that.

632
00:28:35,090 --> 00:28:36,320
S1: Surprised by.

633
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,120
S6: The fact that Roman ended up back with Dad at

634
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:38,840
S6: the end of this app.

635
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,780
S7: No, it seemed like it was kind of had been signposted.

636
00:28:41,780 --> 00:28:45,890
S7: But I do think that I'm curious about his motivations,

637
00:28:45,890 --> 00:28:48,890
S7: like whether or not the flip is to simply further

638
00:28:48,890 --> 00:28:51,680
S7: his own means and win and become the head of

639
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,350
S7: ATN or kind of like we were talking about, given

640
00:28:54,350 --> 00:28:56,810
S7: he is a middle child, whether it is a peacemaking

641
00:28:56,810 --> 00:28:59,120
S7: thing where he thinks if I can do this and

642
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:00,920
S7: if I can like maybe this will be the way

643
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,110
S7: to get the family back together. Like if I if

644
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:07,070
S7: I just show Kendall and Shiv that this is where

645
00:29:07,070 --> 00:29:09,860
S7: we should be focusing our energies and maybe I have

646
00:29:09,860 --> 00:29:12,140
S7: to do it in a back channel way, maybe then

647
00:29:12,140 --> 00:29:14,690
S7: this will bring us all back together. So I'm curious

648
00:29:14,690 --> 00:29:17,030
S7: as to whether or not his motivations are purely selfish,

649
00:29:17,030 --> 00:29:21,140
S7: because it's a it's a very different. Roman. We've seen this. Yeah, he.

650
00:29:21,140 --> 00:29:22,459
S1: Does seem conciliatory.

651
00:29:22,460 --> 00:29:26,180
S7: Yeah. And like he's he's still got his, like, Roman barbs,

652
00:29:26,180 --> 00:29:28,070
S7: but he seems to be kind of like eyes on

653
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:31,280
S7: the prize. He's the least emotional. He's the least kind

654
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,100
S7: of vindictive at this point. So I'm curious. And also,

655
00:29:34,100 --> 00:29:36,590
S7: just on that Godfather thing, I couldn't tell. But like

656
00:29:36,590 --> 00:29:39,590
S7: the end credits, the music that played, it kind of

657
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:42,920
S7: sounded like the Godfather theme, Like have a listen back.

658
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,200
S7: But yeah, maybe that was like a nod to that

659
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:50,820
S7: ending scene. That colony.

660
00:30:00,130 --> 00:30:01,960
S6: Meg, what do you think? Do you think Roman is

661
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,489
S6: in this for himself or do you think he's just

662
00:30:03,490 --> 00:30:06,340
S6: trying to get his beautiful broken family back together?

663
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,030
S8: I think both things can be true. And also, I mean,

664
00:30:10,030 --> 00:30:13,660
S8: Roman's definitely the least emotional, but he's the most emotionally intelligent.

665
00:30:13,660 --> 00:30:16,450
S8: He's the only one who's really seemed to care about

666
00:30:16,450 --> 00:30:19,180
S8: what anyone else is feeling. The only one who's, like

667
00:30:19,300 --> 00:30:22,960
S8: consoled Shiv about the divorce or worried about Connor, or

668
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,700
S8: even bothered to want to go to Connor's wedding rehearsal dinner.

669
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:28,870
S8: And I think he feels that for his dad as well,

670
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:30,610
S8: which is some of the reason why he maybe went

671
00:30:30,610 --> 00:30:33,219
S8: back and met with him at the end of the episode.

672
00:30:33,220 --> 00:30:35,080
S8: But also on the flip side of that, the move

673
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,020
S8: kind of makes sense. You know, like Logan says, Pearce

674
00:30:38,020 --> 00:30:40,510
S8: doesn't make sense for Roman. It's not what he wanted,

675
00:30:40,510 --> 00:30:43,690
S8: whether that's old newspapers or even, you know, the more

676
00:30:43,690 --> 00:30:46,330
S8: progressive leaning of them. He wanted to be a fire

677
00:30:46,330 --> 00:30:49,120
S8: breather like his dad said. So A10 does kind of

678
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,030
S8: make more sense. I think he's in a great spot

679
00:30:52,030 --> 00:30:54,670
S8: because he has those options now. He's kind of got

680
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,680
S8: every road in front of him and he can choose

681
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,300
S8: where he goes. Yeah, and.

682
00:30:58,300 --> 00:31:02,050
S6: As we've said many times, his siblings are moronic business

683
00:31:02,050 --> 00:31:03,970
S6: people and Logan knows how to run a business. So

684
00:31:03,970 --> 00:31:06,430
S6: it is again, it's a smart thing for him to do.

685
00:31:06,790 --> 00:31:09,250
S6: All right. Let's move on and talk about our favorite

686
00:31:09,250 --> 00:31:12,100
S6: lines from the episode. As usual, there are too many

687
00:31:12,100 --> 00:31:14,680
S6: to choose from. But Thomas, do you want to go first?

688
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:15,340
S1: Yes.

689
00:31:15,340 --> 00:31:17,440
S7: Lots of good lines. Maybe not as many, maybe not

690
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,620
S7: as we weren't as richly kind of doled out as

691
00:31:20,620 --> 00:31:23,350
S7: episode one, but my first one would go, I also

692
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:25,209
S7: have two. I'm sorry, but one of them comes with

693
00:31:25,210 --> 00:31:27,520
S7: a disclaimer, Connor, saying, I.

694
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,500
S1: Would like to sing one fucking song.

695
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:32,290
S10: At karaoke because I've seen it in the movies and

696
00:31:32,290 --> 00:31:33,730
S10: nobody ever wants to go.

697
00:31:35,140 --> 00:31:38,500
S7: And I just thought that was so good because, I mean, again,

698
00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:42,219
S7: it's like he's never been to Carrie so depressing on screen.

699
00:31:42,250 --> 00:31:44,980
S7: I've seen it on screen, so it shows how out

700
00:31:44,980 --> 00:31:46,720
S7: of touch he is. But then at the same time,

701
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,729
S7: karaoke is one of those things that you often suggest

702
00:31:48,730 --> 00:31:51,240
S7: to people, and people often don't want to go there like, Oh,

703
00:31:51,270 --> 00:31:52,840
S7: I don't know man. Like karaoke is fun when you

704
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,240
S7: get there, but in theory it's never that good.

705
00:31:55,810 --> 00:31:56,440
S1: What do you reckon is the.

706
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,140
S6: Karaoke movie that he watches My Best Friend's Wedding? I

707
00:31:59,140 --> 00:32:01,870
S6: think there's like a rush hour has a karaoke scene.

708
00:32:02,070 --> 00:32:05,440
S7: Yeah, he seems like a rush hour guy. I can't

709
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,840
S7: imagine him kind of sitting there watching Cameron Diaz belt

710
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,300
S7: out whatever she sings in my best friend's wedding.

711
00:32:10,300 --> 00:32:11,710
S8: Maybe Willow wanted to watch it.

712
00:32:12,820 --> 00:32:14,260
S7: I don't think Willow wants to do anything except kind

713
00:32:14,260 --> 00:32:18,280
S7: of cry in bed into her arranged marriage. The other

714
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,320
S7: one I thought was really funny. And we didn't touch

715
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,360
S7: on this yet, but I guess, like, Kendall's weird, kind

716
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,000
S7: of like Wall Street Buddhism that he's doing. But when

717
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:30,190
S7: he doles out some kind of Buddhist saying to Roman

718
00:32:30,190 --> 00:32:31,000
S7: in Buddhism.

719
00:32:31,270 --> 00:32:35,200
S2: Sometimes your greatest tormentor can also be your most perceptive

720
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,560
S2: teacher says, That's really wise. Hey, Buddha, nice.

721
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,650
S7: Tom Ford's Hey, Buddha, nice. Tom Ford It's so good.

722
00:32:41,650 --> 00:32:43,540
S7: I thought that was very funny. But I do feel

723
00:32:43,540 --> 00:32:45,250
S7: like I can't tell if the chicken or the egg thing,

724
00:32:45,250 --> 00:32:47,470
S7: but there are certain moments in succession now where I'm like,

725
00:32:47,470 --> 00:32:50,350
S7: Are they writing for the memes? Like, is this? Are

726
00:32:50,350 --> 00:32:52,330
S7: they writing because they know the internet will lap this

727
00:32:52,330 --> 00:32:54,160
S7: shit up? And that to me felt like one. I

728
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:55,750
S7: was like, Oh, well, I'll see that tomorrow. On No

729
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:56,650
S7: Context Succession.

730
00:32:56,650 --> 00:32:58,120
S1: Absolutely. Yeah. It's such an interesting.

731
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,820
S6: Thing about modern TV shows like The White Lotus is

732
00:33:00,820 --> 00:33:03,730
S6: another good one where I feel like the writers must

733
00:33:03,730 --> 00:33:06,520
S6: know the way that this show is being digested online.

734
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,710
S6: And I think I think that the balance that they

735
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:11,170
S6: get is so good because maybe there are a couple

736
00:33:11,170 --> 00:33:13,300
S6: of those lines that are for us, like for the

737
00:33:13,300 --> 00:33:16,840
S6: hungry meme consumers, but it never feels like it's too

738
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,080
S6: indulgent on that side of things. Meg, give me your

739
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:20,680
S6: best line.

740
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,530
S8: My best line comes from Greg, even though he barely

741
00:33:23,530 --> 00:33:27,100
S8: featured in the episode, which is when Logan was terrifyingly

742
00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:31,150
S8: moseying around the ATM floor and Greg says, It's like Jaws.

743
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:34,810
S14: If everyone in Jaws worked for Jaws.

744
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,880
S6: It's given that half that sentence is just the word Jaws.

745
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,090
S6: It's so good. That was actually my favorite as well.

746
00:33:43,090 --> 00:33:45,760
S6: Meg So I had to go to a backup, which

747
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,850
S6: is a line from Roman where he's describing his dad.

748
00:33:49,150 --> 00:33:52,000
S1: Tomorrow he's selling the empire to a Fortune Swede and

749
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,620
S1: dishing out jobs for Bloys.

750
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,540
S6: Which is him cutting his dad, Lucas madsen and Carrie

751
00:33:58,540 --> 00:34:00,130
S6: to shreds in one sentence.

752
00:34:00,130 --> 00:34:02,770
S8: I also loved Roman's line in the bar where he's

753
00:34:02,770 --> 00:34:04,690
S8: talking about the Beatles, and he's like.

754
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:05,470
S19: Oh.

755
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,670
S8: You're Kirk, your ringer. Connor's still Connor, but he won

756
00:34:09,670 --> 00:34:11,110
S8: an auction to have a drink with us.

757
00:34:12,130 --> 00:34:13,260
S1: There are. There are.

758
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,730
S6: Lines. There's there's a line in that same scene that

759
00:34:15,730 --> 00:34:19,480
S6: is like a almost off mic, like you're not supposed

760
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,000
S6: to hear it. But I laughed out loud. It's when

761
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,430
S6: Kendall is asking Connor what he wants to drink and

762
00:34:24,430 --> 00:34:26,020
S6: he says Belgian vice beer.

763
00:34:26,380 --> 00:34:27,130
S10: Not Hoegaarden.

764
00:34:27,550 --> 00:34:27,970
S9: Yes.

765
00:34:29,469 --> 00:34:32,590
S6: I want a Belgian beer, but not a Hoegaarden.

766
00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:34,030
S1: It's like, what? It's.

767
00:34:34,410 --> 00:34:36,880
S8: I think he also prefaces that with whatever the common

768
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:37,870
S8: man drinks.

769
00:34:39,070 --> 00:34:39,400
S1: Segment.

770
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:40,839
S7: To a bar, people have blood in there.

771
00:34:42,670 --> 00:34:43,210
S1: Um.

772
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,150
S6: Let's move on to what is quickly become a fan

773
00:34:46,150 --> 00:34:48,189
S6: favorite segment. Jerry Watch. We've got a lot of great

774
00:34:48,190 --> 00:34:50,890
S6: feedback from our wonderful listeners who are very excited to

775
00:34:50,890 --> 00:34:53,740
S6: keep up to date with Jerry's travails. She wasn't in

776
00:34:53,739 --> 00:34:58,180
S6: this episode Heaps, but her appearances were quite significant. Meg,

777
00:34:58,180 --> 00:35:00,070
S6: can you can you talk me through the first? The

778
00:35:00,070 --> 00:35:02,740
S6: first time we see Jerry in episode two?

779
00:35:02,980 --> 00:35:05,680
S8: Yeah, the first time we see Jerry is her getting

780
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,160
S8: caught laughing at Kerry's audition tape for ATN with Hugo,

781
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:12,760
S8: which is a pretty beautiful scene. They're laughing of watching

782
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,680
S8: her on the laptop and Logan walks into the room

783
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,009
S8: and is clearly aware of what's going on but not

784
00:35:18,010 --> 00:35:20,730
S8: acknowledging it. They slam the laptop shut.

785
00:35:20,739 --> 00:35:21,250
S19: The way that.

786
00:35:21,250 --> 00:35:23,440
S6: Hugo tries to, like plug the cable in.

787
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,060
S1: And turn the clock back.

788
00:35:25,060 --> 00:35:27,670
S7: Up. Everyone knows that tech fear you've got. Yeah.

789
00:35:28,030 --> 00:35:29,680
S8: I mean, he clearly should have opened the laptop for

790
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,090
S8: us and then plugged it in. Hugo.

791
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:32,530
S1: I'm glad you said that. I thought the same thing.

792
00:35:32,530 --> 00:35:35,439
S6: Open the laptop calmly, close the window and then plug.

793
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,560
S1: The cable in. He's a boomer man. The massive text.

794
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:39,340
S7: On his screen.

795
00:35:41,500 --> 00:35:43,600
S8: So, I mean, that scene goes from bad to worse

796
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,390
S8: for Jerry because they're then talking about the potential of

797
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:48,850
S8: doing a photo op with Madson to kind of seal

798
00:35:48,850 --> 00:35:51,640
S8: the Gojo deal. And she's pushing that, you know, Logan

799
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,860
S8: should do it. And Logan says, I don't think I should.

800
00:35:53,860 --> 00:35:56,380
S8: It's not a good power play. And he kind of

801
00:35:56,380 --> 00:36:00,070
S8: reads that as Jerry already being in bed with Madison,

802
00:36:00,070 --> 00:36:02,650
S8: like trying to get on his good side because once

803
00:36:02,650 --> 00:36:05,890
S8: the deal goes through, Madison would be her boss. So

804
00:36:05,890 --> 00:36:09,340
S8: she's kind of in this awkward position between two big guys,

805
00:36:09,340 --> 00:36:12,770
S8: not quite sure where to go. And it's got Logan offside.

806
00:36:12,770 --> 00:36:15,700
S8: And by the end of the episode, Logan's arranging a

807
00:36:15,700 --> 00:36:18,730
S8: meeting with Madison and wants to meet with Hugo and

808
00:36:18,730 --> 00:36:22,810
S8: Karl and all those great guys. But he says, No. Jerry.

809
00:36:22,810 --> 00:36:24,380
S8: So she's not in a good spot.

810
00:36:24,460 --> 00:36:28,930
S6: Do you think, Thomas, that Jerry is actually already leaning

811
00:36:28,930 --> 00:36:32,950
S6: more towards her future with Madison, or is Logan just

812
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:34,020
S6: being a bit paranoid?

813
00:36:34,030 --> 00:36:35,859
S7: I think maybe it's a bit of both. Like, I

814
00:36:35,860 --> 00:36:39,669
S7: think we know Jerry's smart enough to, you know, she'd

815
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:40,900
S7: be probably making some calls.

816
00:36:40,900 --> 00:36:42,850
S6: And she's a survivor, right? She knows how to.

817
00:36:42,850 --> 00:36:44,020
S1: Like, outlast. Exactly.

818
00:36:44,020 --> 00:36:47,320
S7: She knows how to, like, stay afloat without putting yourself

819
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,750
S7: in harm's way. But also, I think it's pretty clear

820
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:52,450
S7: this season from what we've seen, that Logan is, you know,

821
00:36:52,450 --> 00:36:54,759
S7: there is a touch of paranoia to him and he's

822
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:58,690
S7: second guessing things or he's curious about like who's on

823
00:36:58,690 --> 00:37:02,110
S7: his side. So, you know, Jerry is such a trusted advisor.

824
00:37:02,110 --> 00:37:04,149
S7: She's such an important she's I mean, she's still CEO.

825
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:06,730
S7: So yeah, I think as soon as she showed a

826
00:37:06,730 --> 00:37:10,090
S7: glimpse of trying to like, maybe, maybe rush the deal

827
00:37:10,090 --> 00:37:12,040
S7: or maybe make him feel like, you know, let's get

828
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,130
S7: this done. He was very yeah, very much like shut

829
00:37:15,130 --> 00:37:17,739
S7: that down. And now she's on the outer. So yeah.

830
00:37:17,739 --> 00:37:22,330
S7: Jerry watch. Next episode, I'm assuming, could be really interesting.

831
00:37:22,330 --> 00:37:23,470
S1: Yeah, I totally agree.

832
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,640
S6: Another fan favorite segment. I know it sounds weird me

833
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,410
S6: saying that, but generally a lot of people said they

834
00:37:29,410 --> 00:37:32,319
S6: loved these segments, which is wonderful. Thank you for listening

835
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:32,650
S6: and thank you.

836
00:37:32,650 --> 00:37:33,460
S1: To my parents.

837
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,900
S6: Specifically your parents. My parents have said nothing about this show.

838
00:37:38,230 --> 00:37:39,759
S7: My dad thinks I work at Channel seven six.

839
00:37:42,670 --> 00:37:46,330
S6: This is one we called last week. Ozs Fun fact corner.

840
00:37:47,620 --> 00:37:50,290
S6: But I'm actually turning this one over to you guys

841
00:37:50,290 --> 00:37:53,259
S6: because you both have some fun facts that popped up.

842
00:37:53,260 --> 00:37:55,690
S6: Meg Jonah, share yours first.

843
00:37:56,140 --> 00:37:58,390
S8: Fun fact is not so fun this week because it's

844
00:37:58,390 --> 00:38:00,759
S8: extremely depressing and it concerns Connor.

845
00:38:01,989 --> 00:38:03,129
S6: Meg's extremely depressing.

846
00:38:03,180 --> 00:38:03,430
S1: Family.

847
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,470
S8: So I did not know the song that he was singing.

848
00:38:08,469 --> 00:38:11,380
S8: And I think I share that view with other people

849
00:38:11,380 --> 00:38:12,370
S8: in the room at the time.

850
00:38:12,370 --> 00:38:14,650
S6: Yeah, no, I had to like Google the lyrics to

851
00:38:14,650 --> 00:38:15,450
S6: figure out what was going.

852
00:38:15,469 --> 00:38:18,580
S8: Yeah, I did the same. And it's Leonard Cohen's song.

853
00:38:18,580 --> 00:38:22,210
S8: It's called Famous Blue Raincoat. It's from 1971. You know,

854
00:38:22,210 --> 00:38:24,430
S8: everyone's favorite karaoke banger.

855
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:26,259
S19: A classic.

856
00:38:26,500 --> 00:38:29,200
S8: It's also I mean, it's not one of Leonard Cohen's

857
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,380
S8: most famous songs. It's also a song that he's actually

858
00:38:32,380 --> 00:38:34,570
S8: spoken a lot about how he's not. He's always got

859
00:38:34,570 --> 00:38:36,430
S8: it right. He said he didn't love the lyrics. He

860
00:38:36,430 --> 00:38:39,010
S8: didn't know if he got the tune right. And it's

861
00:38:39,010 --> 00:38:42,250
S8: a really unsettling song. It's a great pick for Connor

862
00:38:42,250 --> 00:38:45,130
S8: in this current moment. So as ambiguous is the meaning

863
00:38:45,130 --> 00:38:48,370
S8: of the song kind of is it generally revolves around

864
00:38:48,370 --> 00:38:51,610
S8: this love triangle of this man who's been left by

865
00:38:51,610 --> 00:38:54,790
S8: his lover, and he thinks she's in the arms of

866
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:56,770
S8: someone else and he's worried if she's going to come

867
00:38:56,770 --> 00:38:59,530
S8: back or not. And when she does, there's this line

868
00:38:59,530 --> 00:39:02,650
S8: that she returns as nobody's wife, which is pretty damning

869
00:39:02,650 --> 00:39:05,140
S8: for the way the episode ends with Willa. And I

870
00:39:05,140 --> 00:39:07,810
S8: think it speaks a lot to the insecurities that Cohen

871
00:39:07,810 --> 00:39:09,730
S8: is feeling over the episode. I mean, you see in

872
00:39:09,730 --> 00:39:13,180
S8: the bar, he's he's tracking her phone, which is not

873
00:39:13,180 --> 00:39:17,740
S8: the factory setting, as she points out. And he's really

874
00:39:17,950 --> 00:39:19,900
S8: he's really worried that she's going to go off and

875
00:39:19,900 --> 00:39:22,509
S8: find someone else and so much so that he really

876
00:39:22,510 --> 00:39:24,489
S8: gets mad at Roman when he's talking about that and

877
00:39:24,489 --> 00:39:29,410
S8: kind of pushing that button. And it's telling how much

878
00:39:29,410 --> 00:39:31,660
S8: he wears his heart on his sleeve in this song.

879
00:39:31,660 --> 00:39:35,739
S8: I mean, the song talks about betrayal, infidelity, a woman

880
00:39:35,739 --> 00:39:38,260
S8: coming back and not being your wife and even setting

881
00:39:38,260 --> 00:39:40,390
S8: up this little house in the desert like Connor has.

882
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:43,540
S8: It's really sad that he's doing this big emotional plea

883
00:39:43,540 --> 00:39:45,490
S8: in front of his siblings who are just like, What

884
00:39:45,489 --> 00:39:47,170
S8: the fuck is this song? Do New York, New York.

885
00:39:47,170 --> 00:39:47,460
S19: Yeah.

886
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:48,130
S1: Yeah.

887
00:39:49,150 --> 00:39:52,270
S6: Thomas You've got another fact that's Connor related.

888
00:39:52,420 --> 00:39:53,290
S1: Yes, another.

889
00:39:53,290 --> 00:39:58,030
S7: Fact. Maybe slightly more fun. Hopefully. So. The bar where

890
00:39:58,030 --> 00:40:00,439
S7: Connor wants to get in touch. With, you know, the

891
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,020
S7: common man, the man with blood in his hair and

892
00:40:03,020 --> 00:40:06,560
S7: dirt under his fingernails and whatever else kind of things

893
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,840
S7: that everyone does at work in the steelworks, I don't know.

894
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,830
S7: So that is actually the Peter McManus Cafe. So that's

895
00:40:12,830 --> 00:40:15,830
S7: just off Seventh Avenue in New York City. And as

896
00:40:15,830 --> 00:40:19,760
S7: it turns out, the Peter McManus Cafe is, according to

897
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,210
S7: its website, the oldest family run bar in New York City,

898
00:40:23,210 --> 00:40:25,670
S7: serving fine food with good spirits since 1936.

899
00:40:25,700 --> 00:40:28,280
S1: What is this fact? This is a ridiculous fact.

900
00:40:28,489 --> 00:40:29,930
S8: I thought you work for this place, Thomas.

901
00:40:30,469 --> 00:40:33,290
S7: I thought it was really funny that they had. They

902
00:40:33,290 --> 00:40:36,890
S7: happen to shoot this in the oldest family run bar.

903
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,020
S7: I thought that was nice, given, you know, this is

904
00:40:39,020 --> 00:40:42,620
S7: a show about family and family business. And you may

905
00:40:42,620 --> 00:40:45,050
S7: have seen this bar somewhere before. Really? This is a

906
00:40:45,050 --> 00:40:48,500
S7: famous bar. It's featured in lots of TV shows and movies.

907
00:40:48,500 --> 00:40:52,010
S7: So Radio days directed by Woody Allen Highlander. It was

908
00:40:52,010 --> 00:40:54,230
S7: in the Other Guys great film by Will Ferrell and

909
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:57,469
S7: Mark Wahlberg. It's also featured in Seinfeld Law and Order,

910
00:40:57,469 --> 00:41:00,620
S7: Saturday Night Live in Broad City. So this is a

911
00:41:00,620 --> 00:41:03,980
S7: very famous bar that succession has tapped into. I really

912
00:41:03,980 --> 00:41:05,330
S7: like location related fun.

913
00:41:05,330 --> 00:41:06,020
S1: Fact you're.

914
00:41:06,020 --> 00:41:06,680
S6: Banned from fun.

915
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,299
S1: Fact Corner. I'm going to do another fun fact.

916
00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:10,490
S7: Soon and it's going to be another location related fun fact.

917
00:41:11,180 --> 00:41:12,919
S6: It is good. No, look, it sounds like they thought

918
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,390
S6: about the bar, right? They weren't just like, let's go.

919
00:41:14,540 --> 00:41:14,840
S1: Exactly.

920
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,340
S7: It wasn't just like, let's go to the bar around

921
00:41:16,340 --> 00:41:18,440
S7: the corner. They were like, What's the oldest family run

922
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,690
S7: bar in New York City? And it is naturally the

923
00:41:20,690 --> 00:41:21,670
S7: Peter McManus Cafe.

924
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,690
S8: Is that a provable fact? Is that like one of

925
00:41:23,690 --> 00:41:24,739
S8: those world's best?

926
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:28,640
S7: Definitely like Australia's best pie. Yeah, but hey, it's on

927
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,920
S7: the website. The website is really bad and slow.

928
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:35,750
S1: Like a Geocities style. Yeah, exactly. MS-DOS That's.

929
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:36,260
S6: Great.

930
00:41:36,830 --> 00:41:37,339
S1: All right.

931
00:41:37,340 --> 00:41:40,130
S6: We're getting to the end of the. Which means we

932
00:41:40,130 --> 00:41:43,670
S6: have to rank our winners and losers and go through

933
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:46,729
S6: our running tally. There's a little bit more consensus from

934
00:41:46,730 --> 00:41:48,770
S6: us this time around. Meg, would you like to go

935
00:41:48,770 --> 00:41:50,360
S6: first and award your points?

936
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:50,900
S19: Yeah.

937
00:41:50,900 --> 00:41:55,069
S8: So this week I gave three points to Tom, which

938
00:41:55,070 --> 00:41:57,380
S8: is controversial because he was my big loser last week,

939
00:41:57,380 --> 00:41:58,110
S8: but I feel.

940
00:41:58,110 --> 00:41:58,730
S19: Like yeah, so it's.

941
00:41:58,730 --> 00:42:00,710
S6: An admission again that again, you're wrong and I was right.

942
00:42:00,710 --> 00:42:01,430
S1: Great stuff.

943
00:42:01,430 --> 00:42:03,410
S8: Or it's an admission that, you know, things can change

944
00:42:03,410 --> 00:42:04,069
S8: in an episode.

945
00:42:04,070 --> 00:42:05,660
S19: And writing is complex.

946
00:42:07,250 --> 00:42:09,800
S8: But yeah, for all the reasons mentioned with the divorce

947
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,020
S8: and the company, I think he's sitting in a good spot.

948
00:42:12,110 --> 00:42:15,259
S8: Point taken about Roman coming into his turf though. And

949
00:42:15,260 --> 00:42:20,000
S8: for that I've given Roman my two points. Yeah, he's

950
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,710
S8: in a great spot. He can pick what he does next.

951
00:42:21,710 --> 00:42:24,230
S8: And he's also coming out of this episode as one

952
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:27,560
S8: of the only real humans. So that's, that's worth something.

953
00:42:27,739 --> 00:42:30,319
S6: But emotional growth and smart business decisions.

954
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:31,010
S1: We love to say it.

955
00:42:31,010 --> 00:42:33,980
S8: Yeah, I threw Connor at one point because, you know,

956
00:42:33,980 --> 00:42:37,279
S8: Willa came back and that's a big deal for someone

957
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,310
S8: who is a plant that thrives on dead insects in

958
00:42:40,310 --> 00:42:40,850
S8: the desert.

959
00:42:40,850 --> 00:42:41,870
S19: So that was.

960
00:42:41,870 --> 00:42:46,310
S7: So sad, that speech. My superpower is not not needing love.

961
00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:50,270
S8: And also, you know, I mean, he did a tactical play.

962
00:42:50,270 --> 00:42:52,009
S8: He tipped off his dad. He won some favor there.

963
00:42:52,010 --> 00:42:53,840
S8: And he didn't lose his money the next day on

964
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,440
S8: his wedding day. So it's something my big loser for

965
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,040
S8: the app is Shiv. I mean, she doesn't come out

966
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,780
S8: great even at the end. She's in the cab kind

967
00:43:02,780 --> 00:43:05,120
S8: of deciding whether to call Tom, which would make things

968
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,460
S8: even worse. So she's not doing well.

969
00:43:07,460 --> 00:43:07,760
S19: Yes.

970
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,400
S6: You've got to step on you, Thomas. She was all

971
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:11,719
S6: of our losers. Yes.

972
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:12,049
S1: Episode.

973
00:43:12,140 --> 00:43:14,540
S7: Yes. Agreed. So we need to talk more about that.

974
00:43:14,540 --> 00:43:16,100
S7: The only thing I would add was that I found

975
00:43:16,100 --> 00:43:18,350
S7: it very funny that, you know, we saw her looking

976
00:43:18,350 --> 00:43:20,240
S7: at her phone and she has her husband saved us

977
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,150
S7: his full name. It's such a like shiv. It's such

978
00:43:23,150 --> 00:43:24,200
S7: a Rory thing. What do you.

979
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:25,939
S6: Save those in your wife's phone?

980
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:27,049
S7: Uh.

981
00:43:27,950 --> 00:43:30,980
S1: I actually don't say going so red. This is hilarious.

982
00:43:30,980 --> 00:43:33,080
S19: I'm saying had this conversation before podcast.

983
00:43:33,140 --> 00:43:35,120
S8: My partner is their full name as well.

984
00:43:35,690 --> 00:43:36,890
S19: Really? Yeah.

985
00:43:37,850 --> 00:43:38,870
S1: Oh, boy.

986
00:43:39,260 --> 00:43:39,620
S19: I think you.

987
00:43:39,620 --> 00:43:41,150
S8: Got to say, you got to give us a hint.

988
00:43:42,050 --> 00:43:44,030
S7: Okay. I'm saved as scoopy.

989
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:46,400
S20: What?

990
00:43:46,580 --> 00:43:48,410
S7: It's just a nickname that I've had.

991
00:43:48,830 --> 00:43:49,580
S1: Oh, boy.

992
00:43:49,969 --> 00:43:52,280
S7: There it is. It's see forever. Gosh, hopefully we can

993
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:52,819
S7: cut this out.

994
00:43:52,969 --> 00:43:53,359
S1: Oh, my God.

995
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:54,360
S6: We're not cutting this out at all.

996
00:43:54,410 --> 00:43:54,830
S1: This is.

997
00:43:54,830 --> 00:43:56,899
S6: This is, in fact, we're cutting everything else out. This

998
00:43:56,900 --> 00:43:58,219
S6: is the only thing that's going to be in the episode.

999
00:43:58,340 --> 00:44:00,380
S1: So I gave my losing points to Scoopy.

1000
00:44:00,380 --> 00:44:03,620
S7: Obviously. No, I also had Shiv as the loser and

1001
00:44:03,620 --> 00:44:06,950
S7: then I had similar to Meg, but I gave Roman

1002
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:10,790
S7: my three points because he's in the good books with

1003
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:13,040
S7: Logan potentially about to make a move, but I still

1004
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,410
S7: don't think he's burnt the siblings fully. To me he

1005
00:44:15,410 --> 00:44:19,190
S7: was the clear winner and Tom two and Kendall won.

1006
00:44:20,770 --> 00:44:23,320
S6: Yeah, I was pretty similar to you guys. Tom three

1007
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,140
S6: I just think he's. He's winning the divorce. He's. He's

1008
00:44:26,140 --> 00:44:30,990
S6: doing quite well in the land of ATN. Roman two.

1009
00:44:31,020 --> 00:44:33,900
S6: He's making the right moves. Greg I threw my point

1010
00:44:33,900 --> 00:44:36,509
S6: to him because even though I don't think he's anywhere

1011
00:44:36,510 --> 00:44:39,210
S6: near the throne at the moment, but he gave it

1012
00:44:39,210 --> 00:44:40,920
S6: a crack. You know, he gave it a crack. He

1013
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,230
S6: had a difficult conversation. He did. One of the most

1014
00:44:43,230 --> 00:44:45,270
S6: terrifying people. He did the job. He did the job.

1015
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:48,990
S6: And a bonus loser award for me from goes to Carrie.

1016
00:44:48,989 --> 00:44:53,940
S6: Like just absolutely having her career eviscerated by basically everyone

1017
00:44:53,940 --> 00:44:56,219
S6: in the show. How did the siblings get that tape

1018
00:44:56,219 --> 00:44:59,219
S6: that they were watching? Clearly, people there's like a WhatsApp.

1019
00:44:59,219 --> 00:45:00,540
S1: It's been like an all star thing.

1020
00:45:00,540 --> 00:45:05,130
S6: Yeah, going around. Okay. So our running tally of who

1021
00:45:05,130 --> 00:45:08,550
S6: is winning Tom taking the lead 11 points Roman in

1022
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:14,160
S6: second place nine points. Shiv in third on six then Kendall, Greg,

1023
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,290
S6: Carry and Connor. That feels right.

1024
00:45:16,410 --> 00:45:17,730
S1: In terms of like where things are going.

1025
00:45:17,730 --> 00:45:21,870
S6: And how characters are developing. We finish up these episodes

1026
00:45:21,870 --> 00:45:26,910
S6: by talking about our predictions for next week's episode of Succession.

1027
00:45:26,910 --> 00:45:28,800
S6: Meg We know that there's going to be a wedding.

1028
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,239
S6: What do you think's going to happen?

1029
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,009
S8: I don't know exactly what's going to happen, but I

1030
00:45:32,010 --> 00:45:35,700
S8: know that it's going to be huge and tragic because

1031
00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:40,620
S8: every wedding in succession is awful. If you think of

1032
00:45:40,620 --> 00:45:43,410
S8: season one, there was Tom and Shivs Wedding, which ended,

1033
00:45:43,710 --> 00:45:47,700
S8: I mean, with the death of a caterer, which is

1034
00:45:47,700 --> 00:45:51,180
S8: not great. And also Tom and Shiv having a terrible

1035
00:45:51,180 --> 00:45:52,770
S8: time on their wedding night with Shiv asking for an

1036
00:45:52,770 --> 00:45:56,610
S8: open relationship. And then even last season there was their

1037
00:45:56,610 --> 00:45:59,399
S8: mom's wedding, which ended with that horrible betrayal. I think

1038
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,359
S8: Connor and Will's wedding has a lot of potential to

1039
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,359
S8: be even more tragic. I mean, Will is not in

1040
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,330
S8: good shape. I could see something terrible happening to her.

1041
00:46:09,450 --> 00:46:12,540
S8: I mean, is she going to have a runaway bride thing?

1042
00:46:12,540 --> 00:46:14,940
S8: Is she going to die in some awful way? Is

1043
00:46:14,940 --> 00:46:16,589
S8: she going to O.D. on the drug she got at

1044
00:46:16,590 --> 00:46:20,430
S8: the aquarium supply store? I don't know her, but I mean, I'm.

1045
00:46:20,430 --> 00:46:23,670
S7: Feeling like a chaotic speech from her. Like, she'll be like,

1046
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:26,160
S7: have one too many and then just, like, lay it

1047
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:27,120
S7: all out on the line.

1048
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,700
S8: Yeah, I could see that for sure. But, I mean,

1049
00:46:29,700 --> 00:46:33,509
S8: even if she marries him, there's such a quiet tragedy

1050
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:35,610
S8: in that that we've seen from her again and again.

1051
00:46:35,610 --> 00:46:38,430
S8: Choosing to stay in this marriage and make this terrible

1052
00:46:38,430 --> 00:46:40,470
S8: choice for herself is kind of the most tragic thing

1053
00:46:40,469 --> 00:46:43,290
S8: she could possibly do. So I think it's going to

1054
00:46:43,290 --> 00:46:47,100
S8: be a huge app, even if Roman and Logan aren't

1055
00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:49,469
S8: in attendance because they're off with Madison, which they definitely

1056
00:46:49,469 --> 00:46:49,980
S8: will be.

1057
00:46:49,980 --> 00:46:52,530
S6: Yeah, that's basically my thing is I think so Logan

1058
00:46:52,530 --> 00:46:55,950
S6: and Roman will be out of the wedding, which will

1059
00:46:55,950 --> 00:46:58,739
S6: lead to Conor losing his mind. He'll be very upset

1060
00:46:58,739 --> 00:47:01,410
S6: about that. And I have a bit of a prediction

1061
00:47:01,410 --> 00:47:03,569
S6: for what will happen with Willa and Connor. I think

1062
00:47:03,570 --> 00:47:05,160
S6: they will end up being married, but I think Willa

1063
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:09,240
S6: will basically negotiate something extremely specific. I think it'll be,

1064
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,790
S6: You want this, You want to be happy. I basically

1065
00:47:11,790 --> 00:47:14,160
S6: want an income, and I want my own kind of

1066
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,260
S6: life to lead, I think. And that will end up

1067
00:47:16,260 --> 00:47:18,630
S6: being celebrated. And it'll be sort of a bit mournful,

1068
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:20,160
S6: but Connor will be stoked and it'll be like, Oh,

1069
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,950
S6: this is the only way that relationships work in the

1070
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:26,640
S6: world of succession. Thomas What do you think's going to happen?

1071
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,860
S7: Yeah, I mean, I think you're probably right on that.

1072
00:47:28,860 --> 00:47:31,739
S7: Maybe it'll be like a, yeah, celebratory vibe once they've

1073
00:47:31,739 --> 00:47:33,810
S7: nutted out the finer detail, the tease and seas of

1074
00:47:33,810 --> 00:47:37,440
S7: their marriage. Yeah, well, as we as Logan kind of

1075
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,690
S7: preempts to Roman, there is a night of the long

1076
00:47:39,690 --> 00:47:42,450
S7: knives coming so they'll be off in I think it's

1077
00:47:42,450 --> 00:47:43,830
S7: I don't know if they go to Sweden or they're

1078
00:47:43,830 --> 00:47:45,870
S7: going to Norway because I know that they shot season

1079
00:47:45,870 --> 00:47:49,080
S7: four in Norway. Obviously I'm obsessed with locations. Yeah, they

1080
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,690
S7: shot season four in Norway, so they'll be off somewhere

1081
00:47:51,690 --> 00:47:55,830
S7: in Scandinavia doing their thing. My prediction is that Roman

1082
00:47:55,830 --> 00:47:58,560
S7: will nail it with Madison and Flip, which will lead

1083
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,900
S7: to Shiv and Kendall to start polling for other board

1084
00:48:00,900 --> 00:48:04,140
S7: numbers to get numbers back on their side. Logan has

1085
00:48:04,140 --> 00:48:07,440
S7: taken their younger brother from them, so they're going to

1086
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,049
S7: take his older brother from him, which is you and Roy,

1087
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,470
S7: which is James Cromwell, which is the nice guy from Babe.

1088
00:48:13,770 --> 00:48:15,060
S1: And and he.

1089
00:48:15,060 --> 00:48:17,310
S6: Donates to like the environment movement in the show. Yes.

1090
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,279
S6: You didn't see this, but yesterday I saw Thomas on

1091
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,230
S6: his screen, I guess in a Will Logan way. I

1092
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:24,239
S6: was staring at his screen and he just had this

1093
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,810
S6: graphic of the board of Waystar Royco pointing at it

1094
00:48:27,810 --> 00:48:28,770
S6: and doing the numbers.

1095
00:48:28,770 --> 00:48:29,490
S1: And adding it all.

1096
00:48:29,489 --> 00:48:31,380
S7: Up. It was I was like Minority Report had like

1097
00:48:31,380 --> 00:48:34,020
S7: all those faces up now. But someone online has built

1098
00:48:34,020 --> 00:48:35,940
S7: like a fake. It's actually amazing. You should all check

1099
00:48:35,940 --> 00:48:39,090
S7: it out. Someone has built like a fake waystar corporate website.

1100
00:48:39,090 --> 00:48:40,020
S7: This is definitely about.

1101
00:48:40,020 --> 00:48:40,350
S19: That.

1102
00:48:40,980 --> 00:48:43,080
S7: About us and make the team and stuff. So I

1103
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,060
S7: was kind of looking at the board members doing the math,

1104
00:48:45,150 --> 00:48:47,910
S7: which is like there's 12 board members. But yeah, I

1105
00:48:47,910 --> 00:48:50,850
S7: reckon that you and Roy James Cromwell is coming back.

1106
00:48:50,850 --> 00:48:52,680
S7: I think there could be a scramble for numbers in

1107
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:53,520
S7: the next couple of episodes.

1108
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,310
S6: That very juicy, would love that love James Cromwell and

1109
00:48:56,310 --> 00:48:58,620
S6: love the idea of him coming in to screw over

1110
00:48:58,620 --> 00:49:01,980
S6: his brother. Awesome chat as always, gang. Very excited to

1111
00:49:01,980 --> 00:49:05,610
S6: do it again next week. Meg Scoopy, thanks so much.

1112
00:49:06,330 --> 00:49:06,900
S19: Thank you.

1113
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,109
S6: This succession recap episode of The Drop was produced by

1114
00:49:16,110 --> 00:49:19,410
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1115
00:49:19,410 --> 00:49:21,569
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1116
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1117
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