Speaker 1: On two GV at network stations. This is Afternoons with
Speaker 1: Michael McLaren.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is good afternoon. Thank you for joining us. Wednesday,
Speaker 2: beautiful day outside, gorgeous day. In fact, it is May
Speaker 2: twenty eight, and it is nice to share the afternoon
Speaker 2: with you. We're hit till three o'clock, of course, one three, one,
Speaker 2: eight seven three. But tonight that's when it's all happening.
Speaker 2: Tonight's state of Origin one. I can't wait. Well, we
Speaker 2: say that we're going to have to wait, n't we
Speaker 2: because well, they're not going to play it earlier, just
Speaker 2: because we can't wait. Marke Levy of course calling his
Speaker 2: first origin with the Continuous Call team and Mark, you're
Speaker 2: going to do a magnificent job. Everyone is very confident
Speaker 2: of that. It'll be a good match. It'll be a
Speaker 2: really good match. I think the Blues have the better side,
Speaker 2: but they're playing in Brisbane obviously, and so that negates
Speaker 2: a bit of that advantage, i'd argue. Anyway, we'll have
Speaker 2: a look at that later on. Chucks brought his footy
Speaker 2: tips to us, so i'll share his origin prediction with
Speaker 2: you as well. I won't remind you that he got
Speaker 2: zero from five last. We'll just leave that one behind
Speaker 2: us and move on. Many people did. Later this hour
Speaker 2: my special guest, the former Prime Minister Scott Morrison, and
Speaker 2: I'll speak to him obstensively about this idea that Orcus
Speaker 2: is developed beyond stage one and stage two into what
Speaker 2: I think he would call stage three, and that was
Speaker 2: a focus on space. Now the theory here, I think
Speaker 2: is quite sound, and that is you push, you push
Speaker 2: for this third tararch of Orcus, as it were, and
Speaker 2: you make Australia an even more valuable ally in the
Speaker 2: trilateral relationship. Now in some respects. Look what America have
Speaker 2: done with Ukraine. Now, Ukraine have some similarities to Australia geopolitically,
Speaker 2: from a mineral and resources point of view, strategically for
Speaker 2: the United States, and the Americans have just done this
Speaker 2: rare earth and minerals deal with Ukraine. Now, I'm sure
Speaker 2: Ukraine didn't really want to do it, but they've agreed
Speaker 2: to it because it positions American capital, American business, and
Speaker 2: American individuals in Ukraine like never before. And therefore, if
Speaker 2: Ukraine comes under attack, I think the thinking in Kiev
Speaker 2: would be, well, the Americans be far more likely to
Speaker 2: get involved more immediately and defend Ukraine's sovereignty because America
Speaker 2: has skin in the game. Now, we've already got Pine Gap,
Speaker 2: and we've got a long standing military relationship, a rotation
Speaker 2: of American troops through the top end and the lake.
Speaker 2: But if on top of atomic submarines and missiles and
Speaker 2: the other military componentry of orcust stage one stage two,
Speaker 2: we then take it to stage three with space capabilities.
Speaker 2: Not to say we're gonna have Cape canaveral up in
Speaker 2: the top end, but that we fill some plugs and
Speaker 2: some gaps, which we are in a position to do,
Speaker 2: then we become an even deeper and more entrenched ally
Speaker 2: for the United States and by extension, the United Kingdom.
Speaker 2: I guess the thinking is, if push comes to shove,
Speaker 2: they're therefore more likely to come to our defense because
Speaker 2: our defense is also by extension their defense. Anyway, that's
Speaker 2: my theory, but I'll leave all of the explanation to
Speaker 2: Scott Morrison later. At this hour, now after one o'clock,
Speaker 2: I want to look at a different issue. I give
Speaker 2: the Citny Morning Herald's credit. They put this in the
Speaker 2: paper today. It's a very important issue, and I think
Speaker 2: a lot of parents and grandparents are very worried about
Speaker 2: the exposure of their young children and grandchildren to pornography. Now,
Speaker 2: I think we'd all be completely naive lying if we
Speaker 2: said none of us had ever seen anything pornographic. All
Speaker 2: we've got to is put SBS on it Friday night
Speaker 2: after ten o'clock and it's all there. But the online
Speaker 2: situation is far more graphic, and it is seemingly everywhere
Speaker 2: these days. Now there are reports that children as young
Speaker 2: as ten nine an eight are being exposed and frequently
Speaker 2: to pornography and this is changing their perceptions of their
Speaker 2: female classmates. Tends to be the boys, but not only
Speaker 2: the boys, but it's changing their mindset toward their female
Speaker 2: classmates at a very young age. Now, this is an
Speaker 2: age where they can't really comprehend what's going on. And
Speaker 2: although the innocent exposure, the accidental exposure, might be the
Speaker 2: first exposure, if they become over exposed to these terrible images,
Speaker 2: they will then no doubt go and seek them themselves.
Speaker 2: So we create a big problem. I want to speak
Speaker 2: to Melissa Abu Gazale. She's the founder of an organizations
Speaker 2: to charity called top Blokes, and that's in regard to
Speaker 2: all of these warnings about children in fact as young
Speaker 2: as six, I think I said ten to seven and
Speaker 2: six accessing pornography. It's a big issue. Whereas once upon
Speaker 2: a time, you know, someone's dad might have had a
Speaker 2: couple of playboys under the bed and you know you
Speaker 2: saw them. These days, with the Internet and so called smartphones,
Speaker 2: very very graphic stuff is being shown to very vulnerable
Speaker 2: mind it's a problem and a lot of parents, in
Speaker 2: fact a lot of young boys, no, it's a problem,
Speaker 2: but they don't know what to do about. They don't
Speaker 2: know where to turn. That's why I speak to Melissa
Speaker 2: about all of that. Blake will be here with Pretzel wealth.
Speaker 2: Of course, we had the inflation numbers Banksmack where the
Speaker 2: RBA wants them two point four percent the headline figure.
Speaker 2: As I said, we'll get the footy tips from Chuck later.
Speaker 2: And we have had the coalition agree to a new
Speaker 2: official reunited Opposition force, so the Nationals and the Libs
Speaker 2: back together. Now. The exact details of that agreement around
Speaker 2: say the Regional Future Fund or nuclear power or divestiture
Speaker 2: or whatever. The exact details still remain unclear, but they
Speaker 2: will have been worked out to a degree. As I said,
Speaker 2: my bet from last week was that the nuclear issue
Speaker 2: would be resolved to the extent that the Liberals would
Speaker 2: pledge to support lifting the morator aureum, the ban on
Speaker 2: nuclear power, but nothing more. The rest will be left
Speaker 2: to be worked out or whatever the language will be.
Speaker 2: I think that's where they will have got to on that,
Speaker 2: and that'll be enough for the Nats for the time being.
Speaker 2: They understand united, they'll fall together. They've got half a
Speaker 2: chance to do something, so they're back together. Later today
Speaker 2: we're going to find out who gets what in Susan
Speaker 2: Lee's shadow cabinet. Now, this will be interesting, This will
Speaker 2: be interesting. Sky sources all over the place saying they
Speaker 2: believe this person's going to be shadow treasurer, this person's out,
Speaker 2: and okay, let's see they're probably right. But my attention
Speaker 2: this afternoon will be on two different issues. Where will
Speaker 2: Tim Wilson end up? And I would be incredibly surprised
Speaker 2: if it isn't somewhere within the Treasury orbit shadow Assistant
Speaker 2: treasure or something like that Finance minister who knows. But
Speaker 2: also let's see where just Senter Price is put, if anywhere,
Speaker 2: if anywhere, there is a rumble that at best she'll
Speaker 2: be an assistant shadow. Yeah, not much. In other words,
Speaker 2: you'll be there, but nowhere near the center of power. Now, look,
Speaker 2: I get you didn't have an incredible campaign. No one did.
Speaker 2: But there again, she probably wasn't allowed to have much
Speaker 2: of a campaign. That was an oversight by the Liberal
Speaker 2: machine behind the scenes. You gotta let her rip a bit.
Speaker 2: Centerprice could be if she goes down the right path
Speaker 2: and is guided in the right way with the right portfolio,
Speaker 2: she could be a future prime minister. She could be
Speaker 2: our first indigenous prime minister, and that would be something
Speaker 2: very significant if the Liberal Party were able to deliver it.
Speaker 2: And yet if they suppress her shadow portfolios, then there
Speaker 2: is no way she'll get to that potential end destination.
Speaker 2: There's very few in the shadow front bench whatever it's
Speaker 2: going to be announced later today that anyone can envisage
Speaker 2: as a future prime minister, very few of them. But
Speaker 2: Centerprice is one that I think could, if given the
Speaker 2: right run, get there. But if the hurdles are put
Speaker 2: too high at the beginning of the steeplechase, she won't
Speaker 2: go anywhere. Now, the Liberal Party, Susan Leip has to
Speaker 2: think carefully about this. There'll be moderates and whatever. Oh,
Speaker 2: she's a radical right wing I can't let her. Okay,
Speaker 2: you've got to get just enterprise out of indigenous affairs
Speaker 2: to an extent. Let her dabble a toes in some
Speaker 2: other ponds elsewhere. Try and see if she's got what
Speaker 2: it takes in something associated with health or education or
Speaker 2: something like that, a more broad portfolio. And if she succeeds,
Speaker 2: if she can hold the government alternative to account, she
Speaker 2: will start to build up her broader cudos. But they've
Speaker 2: got to make that happen. So today will be a test.
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Speaker 2: Almost nineteen past twelve? Interesting comments were made the other day,
Speaker 2: by the way, by the former Northern Territory Chief Minister
Speaker 2: Shane Stone, and the comments are about the issue of
Speaker 2: poker machines. Now, you recall last year the broader issue
Speaker 2: of gambling reform was a pretty hot topic, Peter Dutton
Speaker 2: effectively leading from opposition calling for a crackdown on betting
Speaker 2: ads during live sport. Now there was about as close
Speaker 2: to bipartisan supporting political circles as you're likely to get,
Speaker 2: except when it came to actually putting the sentiments into legislation,
Speaker 2: the Government balked and next to nothing, of course, has
Speaker 2: been done ever since. Now, make no mistake, the gambling
Speaker 2: lobby in this country are extremely powerful and their lobby
Speaker 2: no which doors to knock. And probably nowhere is this
Speaker 2: more obvious than when it comes to the saturation of
Speaker 2: poker machines in places like New South Wales and the
Speaker 2: Northern Territory. Now, despite former prime ministers and premieres all
Speaker 2: agreeing that we've got way too many of these things
Speaker 2: per capita, nothing of course, has ever done to rein
Speaker 2: it in And like the debate about the Australian Flag
Speaker 2: or Australia Day, the issue of poker machine seems to
Speaker 2: come and go from the headlines with monotonous regularity. So
Speaker 2: back to Shane Stone. Now speaking to the Financial Review,
Speaker 2: he admits his main regret twenty five years on from
Speaker 2: leading the territory was squibbing gambling reform. As he said
Speaker 2: to Zoey Samuos quote, if I had had the courage
Speaker 2: of my convictions, I would have wound back the poker
Speaker 2: machine numbers. But I didn't do that. As he went
Speaker 2: on to say, I wish we never had poker machines
Speaker 2: in the Northern Territory. They were already there when I
Speaker 2: got there, but they also expanded on my watch, as
Speaker 2: they did on every chief minister's watch. Now, look, I
Speaker 2: give mister Stone great credit for such honesty, but I'll
Speaker 2: lask too many of our political class only express such candor,
Speaker 2: clarity and conviction when removed from the shackles of office,
Speaker 2: And of course by then it's too late. As the
Speaker 2: saying goes, we're all wise in hindsight, But when it
Speaker 2: comes to poker machines, it seems that saying is akin
Speaker 2: to a commandment. And now Stone, look, he's not advocating
Speaker 2: for prohibition or banning poker machines. Of course, that wouldn't
Speaker 2: be possible, and I don't think it'd be useful because
Speaker 2: it had just defer the issue of problem gambling elsewhere.
Speaker 2: But he does suggest that state governments introduced stricter measures
Speaker 2: to minimize the harm that these things can cause. Now again,
Speaker 2: who could disagree? But then you have to remember that
Speaker 2: there are three beneficiaries of the millions and millions poured
Speaker 2: through poker machines every week. One is the company that
Speaker 2: owns them, the other is the pub, club or casino
Speaker 2: that houses them, and the third is the state treasury.
Speaker 2: Now forget the Northern Territory for a moment. Right here
Speaker 2: in New South Wales we are second to only Nevada
Speaker 2: when it comes to poker machines, with more than eighty
Speaker 2: eight thousand of the things, or one for every ninety
Speaker 2: two people. And of course, if you start to slice
Speaker 2: and dice those numbers based on postcode or area, there'd
Speaker 2: be places where the ratio is far close to one
Speaker 2: in fifty or lower. But as Shaneestone says, the government's
Speaker 2: very reluctant to act because of this addiction to revenue
Speaker 2: from paying machines. Now that revenue are you sitting down?
Speaker 2: Was close to two point twenty five billion for Macquarie
Speaker 2: Street a year or two ago two point two five billion,
Speaker 2: close to five percent of the state's annual tax revenue.
Speaker 2: And while John Howard has even declared poker machines a
Speaker 2: grave social evil, and he said that he'd be willing
Speaker 2: to push the Liberals to take on the gaming lobby,
Speaker 2: the real question that has to be asked is this,
Speaker 2: what does take on the lobby actually entail? Because you know,
Speaker 2: there's no point just saying we're going to get tough
Speaker 2: on the gaming industry or gambling industry without having a
Speaker 2: solid plan about what that looks like in practice. I mean,
Speaker 2: is it going to be cashless gaming cards, of forced
Speaker 2: reduction in machines, and beyond the slots, will there be
Speaker 2: an effort to rein in all of those ads around
Speaker 2: live sport. I mean, all of this sort of stuff
Speaker 2: has to be worked out first. But look, I won't
Speaker 2: be holding my breath. It's not as if problem gambling
Speaker 2: and the ubiquity of gaming machines is breaking news. Residents
Speaker 2: of New South Wales alone threw over eight point six
Speaker 2: billion dollars into pub and club poker machines just last year.
Speaker 2: Story's abound of young men in particular ending up in
Speaker 2: horrible situations from blowing the lot on these gambling apps,
Speaker 2: which becomes synonymous with footy, cricket and tennis. Marriages have
Speaker 2: been lost, families torn apart, house are sold, and yet,
Speaker 2: aside from removing those ridiculous Neon signs with dragons and
Speaker 2: cascading coins from pub doorways, very little has been done. Now.
Speaker 2: The pair Day government took a significant gambling reform agenda
Speaker 2: to the twenty twenty three election but lost. Dutton tried
Speaker 2: to do something about it and lost. I'm not sure
Speaker 2: Chris Men's is eager to do too much in this
Speaker 2: space now. As I always say when this issue comes up,
Speaker 2: the inter libertarian in me acknowledges the issue of personal agency.
Speaker 2: And you know, in an ideal world, yes, people without
Speaker 2: money to spare will just walk past the poker machine
Speaker 2: or leave the betting app alone. But that utopia isn't
Speaker 2: the real world, and governments that profit from gambling and
Speaker 2: who have the power to regulate gambling have a responsibility
Speaker 2: to minimize as best as possible the harm caused by gambling. Now,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, they're not doing enough and it's a shame.
Speaker 2: Only those who are ex politicians seem to be the
Speaker 2: ones leading the calls to act twenty eight minutes past
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Speaker 2: On the text, interesting note came through. So we'll speak
Speaker 2: about this issue of pornography and the young ones a
Speaker 2: little late. It's something I know many of you because
Speaker 2: you've written to me about it worried about. And a
Speaker 2: lot of people, parents and grandparents and care has filled
Speaker 2: sort of powerless as to what to do. They know
Speaker 2: what's going on, they don't know where to start the conversation.
Speaker 2: It's sort of a bit foreign to them, depending on
Speaker 2: their generation, because online porn wasn't a thing, and so
Speaker 2: people don't really know how to approach this with their kids.
Speaker 2: One lady writing to me here says, I was absolutely horrified.
Speaker 2: Our ten year old son recently, he's in year five,
Speaker 2: came to me feeling very confused about how all of
Speaker 2: his peers at lunchtime were talking about pornhub year five,
Speaker 2: ten years old. As parents, we've worked so hard, not
Speaker 2: allowing online gaming, not allowing YouTube or internet scrolling, and
Speaker 2: still he's been exposed to this. He said, he hasn't
Speaker 2: been shown any images. But really, from the extent of
Speaker 2: the detail that he gave me, this is coming from
Speaker 2: his mother that his peers explained to him he may
Speaker 2: as well as a mother. I'm completely heartbroken and gutted
Speaker 2: that our young son's been exposed to this. It's a disgrace.
Speaker 2: I feel like the only way we can truly protect
Speaker 2: our son and daughter is to now homeschool them. Otherwise
Speaker 2: we're just sending them out into the world that's destroying
Speaker 2: young people. Well, I'm not a massive advocate of homeschooling.
Speaker 2: I mean, the real world is the real world, and
Speaker 2: they're going to see that first and foremost at school.
Speaker 2: But this is the problem. Parents feel powerless what to
Speaker 2: protect our children. We'll have the appropriate sex conversation and
Speaker 2: all of that sort at the right time. But when
Speaker 2: others are stealing that right from parents because they're exposing
Speaker 2: fellow classmates and other kids as young as ten or
Speaker 2: eight some of these stories and it's more than one
Speaker 2: suggests to pornography, then that really changes the dynamic, and
Speaker 2: a lot of parents say, well what do we do,
Speaker 2: because you know, I mean, I've got Natalie who's not
Speaker 2: even four. There's no way I'd be sitting down with
Speaker 2: a story. It's far too young. But you know, once
Speaker 2: upon a time, I think it's ah, well, in the
Speaker 2: early years of high school, maybe that's when you have
Speaker 2: these conversations. And then with every generation that that conversation
Speaker 2: has started earlier. It does seem that a lot of
Speaker 2: particularly young girls seem to be hitting puberty earlier than
Speaker 2: their peers in generations gone by. That's sort of the
Speaker 2: anecdotal evidence. So there's a whole thing going on out there.
Speaker 2: What role exposure to pornography in all that place? I've
Speaker 2: got no idea, not a bioscientist, but it all just
Speaker 2: seems to be anecdotally lining up. But at what age
Speaker 2: do you have that conversation? In fact, look you're listening here,
Speaker 2: you might this might be exactly you. I mean, you
Speaker 2: tell others from your experience. At what age do you
Speaker 2: have that conversation with the kids. So it said, I
Speaker 2: think when I went through school, maybe we were twelve
Speaker 2: something like that, it sort of started. And that's appropriate. Well,
Speaker 2: it was then, but that was twenty one years ago.
Speaker 2: Whole generations come through since then, the internet is everywhere
Speaker 2: out We were sort of the cutting edge of computers
Speaker 2: and Internet, and it's a thing called Google and all
Speaker 2: of that. When I was in high school, it's all different.
Speaker 2: Now we didn't have smartphones, there were no apps, there
Speaker 2: no porn hub and only fans and all that rot.
Speaker 2: So now the kid's eyes are seeing things that we
Speaker 2: never saw. And so perhaps, just perhaps those conversations have
Speaker 2: to start earlier. But you have to redefine and refine
Speaker 2: those conversations. It's it's tough. It's really hard. One three,
Speaker 2: one eight seven three the open line number. Now, look,
Speaker 2: just another issue. This popped into the inbox the other day.
Speaker 2: And I've never had a pet dogs. I don't know
Speaker 2: too much about dogs, but those of you that do
Speaker 2: might There's Food Allergy Week I think coming up. In fact,
Speaker 2: it's this week, this week, Food Allergy Week, twenty fifth
Speaker 2: of the thirty first of May. And most people think, okay,
Speaker 2: it's about humans. It properly is. But according to this
Speaker 2: press release, new research reveals a concerning increase in food
Speaker 2: sensitivities and allergies among dogs, with a number of Australian
Speaker 2: pet owners buying allergy specific dog foods increasing by seventy
Speaker 2: five percent over the past twelve months now that might
Speaker 2: be coming from a low base. I've got no idea,
Speaker 2: but it's the issue more broadly of dogs with food allergies.
Speaker 2: Now be naive to think it's not possible, of course,
Speaker 2: but it's like, look, it's just nothing I've ever thought about.
Speaker 2: As dog owners out there. Do you have a pet
Speaker 2: that's got a food allergy? And we were told you
Speaker 2: don't feed them chocolate and you've got to be careful
Speaker 2: with this and certain types of food. That's pretty well established.
Speaker 2: But it's sort of the whole thing around allergies tends
Speaker 2: to be mentally linked to human beings. I think we're
Speaker 2: talking about children. That seems to be the focus. You know,
Speaker 2: make sure that the kids get exposure of peanut, peanuts
Speaker 2: and eggs and all these sort of things crustaceans over
Speaker 2: a certain period of time and you work out if
Speaker 2: they're allergic or not. Dogs who knows anyway, that seems
Speaker 2: to be an issue here. So we might have a
Speaker 2: chat to someone later in the week about it, but
Speaker 2: you might have some experiences of your own. One three,
Speaker 2: one eight seven three. Now, as I said, we don't
Speaker 2: know where the Coalition agreements landed on atomic energy and
Speaker 2: nuclear power. My suspicion. I think I'll be proved right
Speaker 2: later today when the agreement is detailed. I imagine to
Speaker 2: some extent in a leak is that the moratorium on
Speaker 2: nuclear power will be lifted as far as opposition official
Speaker 2: opposition policy. But nothing more, nothing more, nothing about government built,
Speaker 2: funded run nuclear power stations or any of that. Now,
Speaker 2: many people have interpreted the recent election result as a
Speaker 2: vote of no confidence in nuclear power in Australia. I
Speaker 2: think that's a misreading of the situation. But I again
Speaker 2: might be wrong, but interesting to note what's happening around
Speaker 2: the world. You get the impression here on nuclear power,
Speaker 2: forget it. It's all over, never going to happen. The
Speaker 2: tide's gone. We missed the boat. All the other analogies
Speaker 2: around the world where it is already established technology. It's
Speaker 2: a different, in fact opposite story. And as Gus mccubbing
Speaker 2: wrote in The finn Review the other day, the army
Speaker 2: of short sellers targeting uranium stocks was scrambling to cover
Speaker 2: its position Friday last week, following reports that the US
Speaker 2: President Donald Trump was about to sign executive orders that
Speaker 2: aim to jumpstart the nuclear energy industry as soon as Friday.
Speaker 2: Now I don't think he did it on Friday, but
Speaker 2: I suspect this is coming, and the orders are set
Speaker 2: to ease the regulatory process for the approval of new reactors,
Speaker 2: strengthen fuel supply chains. This is all coming from Reuters.
Speaker 2: The fin Review says Trump is also expected to invoke
Speaker 2: Cold War era legislation to declare a national emergency over
Speaker 2: America's dependence on Russia and China for enriched uranium. Okay,
Speaker 2: that makes sense. Of course, Australia has I think the
Speaker 2: world's largest known uranium deposit down there Olympic Dam at
Speaker 2: South Australia. So maybe, just maybe Australia's connectivity with nuclear
Speaker 2: power isn't done and dusted just yet. Maybe domestically we
Speaker 2: won't see much energy created, but internationally there could be
Speaker 2: greater demand than ever before for the resources we have,
Speaker 2: which makes our position to continue to ban it I
Speaker 2: think so nonsensical. But you can add that to the
Speaker 2: basketball the other nonsensical decisions that we hold as policy.
Speaker 2: I suppose it's twenty three minutes to one. Great to
Speaker 2: be with you, it is nineteen minutes to one one three,
Speaker 2: one eight seven three the open line number. Well, once
Speaker 2: the final frontier, that's what we used to call it.
Speaker 2: Space is now front of mind in I think almost
Speaker 2: every nation. And we first did have the space race,
Speaker 2: of course, likes of the USSR United States, racing to
Speaker 2: be the first to break out of this world and
Speaker 2: get man on the Moon and the rest of it. However,
Speaker 2: with the advent of technology, things like satellite navigation, for example,
Speaker 2: the need for a bigger focus on space has become
Speaker 2: more and more clear. And as the world becomes I
Speaker 2: think more dangerous Jura politically. From a military perspective, space
Speaker 2: is also a very crucial I don't want to use
Speaker 2: the term battlefield, but you know what I mean in
Speaker 2: that conversation. So much so that the former Prime Minister
Speaker 2: Scott Morrison has called for a let's call it Phase
Speaker 2: three of the Orcus Agreement. Of course he helped craft
Speaker 2: the original Orcus Agreement, and it's to take our partnership
Speaker 2: with the UK and the US beyond subs, missiles and
Speaker 2: military technology and into space. Now, mister Morrison spoke of
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty five Australian Space Summit in Darling Harbor yesterday.
Speaker 2: You might have heard a little of what he had
Speaker 2: to say he made the point that we need to
Speaker 2: play our part as a rising actor with the potential
Speaker 2: to plug important holes in allied capabilities. Now, I think
Speaker 2: the message from that summit seemed to be that if
Speaker 2: you don't have a presence in space, you may as
Speaker 2: well not have a defense force. It's something that we
Speaker 2: and the ADF and everybody, I guess have to think
Speaker 2: about now. Scott Morrison, as you know, former Prime Minister,
Speaker 2: but he is now the chairman of the Advisory Board
Speaker 2: for Space Center Australia and I'm very pleased to say
Speaker 2: that he's with me on the line. Scott, Mary some
Speaker 2: good afternoon.
Speaker 3: Gooday, how are you?
Speaker 2: I'm well, thank you, I'm well, thank you. Before we
Speaker 2: get into that state of origin, tonight blues by how many?
Speaker 3: Oh by six six?
Speaker 2: Where are the Cronella players? What's going on?
Speaker 3: It wasn't it particularly good weekend, So I'll be licking
Speaker 3: their wounds and coming back strong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a full team and still lost.
Speaker 3: Any Yeah it was. It wasn't the best weekend, but
Speaker 3: we'll bounce back. The boys will go well.
Speaker 2: It's cruel of me to raise that, but as West
Speaker 2: Tiger's found, I feel comfortable doing it now. Let's look
Speaker 2: at you've had your bad days days decades, let's look
Speaker 2: at space, because we don't want to have bad days
Speaker 2: from a defense point of view going forward. This is
Speaker 2: very serious. Now some people think this is all Star
Speaker 2: Wars and science fiction stuff, but really it could be
Speaker 2: the future battlefield in many respects, couldn't it.
Speaker 3: Well, it controls so much. I mean you just think
Speaker 3: about your daily life every time you jump in the car,
Speaker 3: every time you get on your phone, every time. You
Speaker 3: know what is up in space is actually directing so
Speaker 3: much of the technology and the things that we use
Speaker 3: every day. And it's no different in the defense area.
Speaker 3: I mean guided weapons systems, early warning systems, being able
Speaker 3: to detect, surveil, all of these things. How you guide
Speaker 3: and navigate all of this depends on what's in space,
Speaker 3: and you get things like hypersonic missiles now which move
Speaker 3: too fast for a warning when it comes to a
Speaker 3: traditional radar system. So you know, what happens in space
Speaker 3: pretty much can govern the effectiveness of everything you do
Speaker 3: on land, sea and air. And back in twenty twenty
Speaker 3: when I was Prime Minister, in the Defense Strategic Update,
Speaker 3: we called this out and said, well, you know, space
Speaker 3: will be a warfare domain and we need to prepare
Speaker 3: for that, and so we set up the National Space Command.
Speaker 3: We invested in our space capabilities and that continues, although
Speaker 3: we are a few changes after we left office, but
Speaker 3: that's it. It remains an important part of what our
Speaker 3: defense forces and our civil space industry does, and so
Speaker 3: it's a natural progression to work with the United States
Speaker 3: and the UK that also have very particularly the US
Speaker 3: sophisticated space capabilities that we use the partnership that we
Speaker 3: have in UCUS, I think to develop this area as well,
Speaker 3: which will be so critical to us all.
Speaker 2: I mean, one of the things with UCUS I think
Speaker 2: a lot of people misunderstand or forget, and no doubt
Speaker 2: it frustrates you and did as Prime Minister, is that
Speaker 2: it's more than just submarines. There is a lot to UCUS,
Speaker 2: hence Stage one and Stage two missile technology, quite a
Speaker 2: lot of trade as part of this arrangement as well.
Speaker 2: You're saying let's take it to the third level out
Speaker 2: of space.
Speaker 3: Well, that's true. And I think particularly that the focus
Speaker 3: in the US has in particularly President Trump, and when
Speaker 3: it was back in twenty nineteen when I was there
Speaker 3: with President Trump, we announced that we were supporting our
Speaker 3: business as in our space industry to get involved in
Speaker 3: the munder Mars mission, the Artemis mission, and we committed
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty million at that time to support
Speaker 3: our industry and we've developed new technologies to support that.
Speaker 3: I was bumped into a whole bunch of companies yesterday
Speaker 3: down in Darling Harbor who benefited from those programs and
Speaker 3: has been developing satellites and other types of technology that
Speaker 3: can support that mission. So you know we're there. We
Speaker 3: can achieve it, and it's something that we do quite
Speaker 3: well because of our geography. I mean, particularly what we
Speaker 3: do in the surveillance area, I mean the advanced telescopes
Speaker 3: and radars that we have up in Western Australia. The
Speaker 3: real need is to develop a lot of these satcom
Speaker 3: capabilities for our defense and civil industries. And so there's
Speaker 3: a lot that we can do and will do, and
Speaker 3: it's better to do it in partnership with our allies
Speaker 3: and partners. And the best partnership we have is in
Speaker 3: aucust which is streets ahead of everything else and has
Speaker 3: survived changes of government in three countries and today it's
Speaker 3: as committed to by every jurisdiction as it was when
Speaker 3: you know I first put it together with Boris Johnson
Speaker 3: and Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: Some would say, I guess, just like the nuclear power,
Speaker 2: one could say to the doubters here at no time
Speaker 2: like the present. But is there a risk here that
Speaker 2: we're getting a bit ahead of ourselves as well, Scott,
Speaker 2: because I mean we can at the moment put about
Speaker 2: one columns class summarine in the water at any given time.
Speaker 2: You know, the army doesn't have the numbers that it wants.
Speaker 2: Recruitments a big challenge. We're way behind the eight ball
Speaker 2: when it comes to drone technology. And I mean some
Speaker 2: would say, look, why don't we just get the terrestrial
Speaker 2: thing right first and then we'll do without a space
Speaker 2: what's the retort to that.
Speaker 3: Well, there's two One is we should be getting to
Speaker 3: three percent of judy top and defense spending, and so
Speaker 3: you know it shouldn't be an either or when it
Speaker 3: comes to doing these things. And I mean that is
Speaker 3: where I mean, I've just got back from Europe a
Speaker 3: few weeks ago and in London and they're all moving
Speaker 3: in that direction. Japan's moving in that direction. And because
Speaker 3: of the world we now live in getting up at
Speaker 3: least to that three percent level is just where going
Speaker 3: to have to be to be a functional defense for us.
Speaker 3: And you know we lifted spending considerably when we're in government,
Speaker 3: and that job needs to continue. I mean, the submarine
Speaker 3: program gets you a fair way there, but then you've
Speaker 3: got to make sure you're not taking it from other
Speaker 3: parts of your defense, both spending, and that's that's the issue.
Speaker 3: And I wish Minister Males well and the arguments he
Speaker 3: has to make in cabinet for that, and I'd support
Speaker 3: him strongly in getting us moving in that direction because
Speaker 3: it will be expected from our allies. The second point
Speaker 3: I'd make though, is, as I said, that what you
Speaker 3: have in space determines what you can do on land
Speaker 3: and in sea. And we have important responsibilities in our
Speaker 3: alliances monitoring the Indo Pacific Marit time domain and you know,
Speaker 3: the whole Southwest Pacific, and this is what enables us
Speaker 3: to do it. It's sort of it's core business for
Speaker 3: us having these capabilities, and we have to be able
Speaker 3: to do both. Yeah, we need the drones and yes
Speaker 3: we need the guide of weapons and initiative to continue,
Speaker 3: which we commence when we're in government, you've got to
Speaker 3: do all of this. It's increasingly because of the world
Speaker 3: we live in. You don't get to walk back from
Speaker 3: many of these things. You pick the things you're best at,
Speaker 3: and space is one where I think we are very
Speaker 3: very good at that kicking because of our geography and
Speaker 3: how we adapt.
Speaker 2: And our history there. I think the other point here,
Speaker 2: of course, is that space is increasingly going to be
Speaker 2: that the front line between the US China strategic rivalry.
Speaker 2: So if we've hedged our wagon to the United States,
Speaker 2: we've got a role to play, I guess theoretically, and
Speaker 2: I use analogy with the Ukraine earlier in the minerals
Speaker 2: deal from a purely selfish Australian point of view, the
Speaker 2: further integrated the Americans and to an extent, the British
Speaker 2: military but broader economy is with ours, the more skin
Speaker 2: they have in the game here but American business, as
Speaker 2: American personnel, American technology, American interests, the more likely they
Speaker 2: are to come to our assistance should the worst happen. Geostrategically,
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a logic, isn't there to have them
Speaker 2: as heavily and measured as possible.
Speaker 3: Well that's true, but my experience of that alliance and
Speaker 3: relationship is it's in my mind that's never been in doubt.
Speaker 3: But what you're saying is also true that that just
Speaker 3: only doubles down. And the more integrated we are, the
Speaker 3: more able we are to work together and most importantly,
Speaker 3: put the de terrence in place. I mean a lot
Speaker 3: gets focused on, you know, when when the bullets start firing,
Speaker 3: but the whole point of doing all of this is
Speaker 3: to ensure that they never get fired. You have this
Speaker 3: credible de terrence, and aucas was about that. It was
Speaker 3: about creating that significant de terrence. So Jijingping wakes up
Speaker 3: every day and says, no, not today, and that has
Speaker 3: to keep happening forever basically, and that doesn't happen. You've
Speaker 3: got to deal with the immediate threats now, but you've
Speaker 3: got to be able to be dealing with the longer
Speaker 3: term capabilities as well, which is you know, that's where
Speaker 3: the nuclear powered submarines comes in. But the earlier face
Speaker 3: stuff in Pillar two of Walkers is very much about
Speaker 3: meeting those more immediate needs. And then what I'm talking
Speaker 3: about with Pillar three in space is it actually helps
Speaker 3: all of those areas and it's an area where I
Speaker 3: know President Trump has been very committed, whether it's in
Speaker 3: the civil space industry. But now he's talking about Golden Dome,
Speaker 3: which is a great initiative and potentially we may have
Speaker 3: been able to play a role there.
Speaker 2: Okay, just finally in the one minute left, Jiji Ping
Speaker 2: hopefully says no, not today every day, but David Little
Speaker 2: Proud and Susan Lee said yes today thankfully, and the
Speaker 2: coalition band is back together.
Speaker 3: Any thoughts, Yeah, pleased, looks the rocky road there for
Speaker 3: the last couple of weeks, but I think Susan kept
Speaker 3: her eye very much on the board about what was
Speaker 3: needed and it's important to have a coalition in place,
Speaker 3: but it's also have a coalition that is one that
Speaker 3: enables both parties to get the job done and not
Speaker 3: be making compromises which makes the partnership uneasy. So good
Speaker 3: on Susan, you know, holding a ground there. And I'm
Speaker 3: very pleased to Nationals have come on board and now
Speaker 3: they've got to focus on the real task ahead, and
Speaker 3: that is to stand up for good policy that you
Speaker 3: know all about aspiration and people been able to get
Speaker 3: ahead and have the opportunity to do that, so you've
Speaker 3: got an economy that can support the services that the
Speaker 3: strainers rely on.
Speaker 2: Do you think we'll have US Ambassador Morrison to Washington?
Speaker 3: No, not a job I have any interest in doing.
Speaker 3: I'm enjoying what I'm doing.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: Well that's kind of you to say, but you know
Speaker 3: there's others who are very keen on doing those jobs,
Speaker 3: and I wish them very well. I mean when I
Speaker 3: travel these days, and I do a lot, I have
Speaker 3: a lot of interaction with our ambassades, particularly with Kevin
Speaker 3: and Stephen in the UK and the US are US
Speaker 3: and ucas say, and you know where I can as
Speaker 3: a form prime minister, I seek to help what the
Speaker 3: country's trying to do and I think that's an important role.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm the head off to Ukraine and do
Speaker 3: something similar there and really just want to is demonstrating
Speaker 3: that Australia remains very committed to what we're seeking to
Speaker 3: do there. I was a Prime minister when that that
Speaker 3: walk started, that illegal war and invasion from Russia, and
Speaker 3: it's important to.
Speaker 5: Be there and it is it is.
Speaker 2: I thought i'd try. I thought i'd try. Scott Morrison,
Speaker 2: I very much thank you for your time. Good on
Speaker 2: you talk all the best former Prime Minister Scott Morrison.
Speaker 2: A lot of very positive feedback about Scott Morrison coming
Speaker 2: through as well, and many people making the point not
Speaker 2: one are more are really you just got straight to
Speaker 2: it and said it how it is and you didn't
Speaker 2: hold back on the issue there with jijingping or anything.
Speaker 2: So some saying that's a bit of a refreshing change
Speaker 2: to what we've got used to.
Speaker 1: News is next now onto GB and network stations. Back
Speaker 1: to afternoons with Michael McLaren.
Speaker 2: All right into the second hour. Thank you for your company.
Speaker 2: Beautiful day out there. I hope you're getting to enjoy it.
Speaker 2: One three one eight seven three is the open line number.
Speaker 2: Thank you for the text messages as well. Zero for
Speaker 2: six zero eight seven three seven three. Got it right
Speaker 2: this time, Greg says intergalactic space wars for me, the
Speaker 2: potholes and a train that runs on time. There's someone
Speaker 2: else's problem. I get the sarcasm, Greg, but the issue
Speaker 2: is Scott Morrison, I think rightly said if indeed we
Speaker 2: are not invested in this space, and that's where and
Speaker 2: I use that term advisedly, and this is then you know,
Speaker 2: war breaks out or something goes wrong, then the potholes
Speaker 2: and the trains will be the least of your worries.
Speaker 2: Let's put it that way. So it's about walking and
Speaker 2: chewing gum at the same time, it's about being across
Speaker 2: every aspect of national defense, which is necessary. But at
Speaker 2: the same time politics is always local, as they say,
Speaker 2: and having a focus on the issues that matter on
Speaker 2: the ground for the times of peace where issues of
Speaker 2: sovereignty don't count, and I think we can do both.
Speaker 2: A lot of text messages Roger making a sort of
Speaker 2: historical point, and I think he's right where he says
Speaker 2: the reason why China assertive and at times aggressive in
Speaker 2: our current day and age is because of the centuries
Speaker 2: of humili or the century singular of humiliation, and they
Speaker 2: refer to that in China. The way that the Europeans
Speaker 2: and especially the British treated China in the eighteen hundreds
Speaker 2: has made them the way they are today. That informs it,
Speaker 2: there's no doubt about it. You can add on top
Speaker 2: of that a very thick layer of communism, but that
Speaker 2: is certainly part of the story. They've been mistreated by
Speaker 2: others in the past, subjugated and treated as second class
Speaker 2: citizens the Opium Wars, and they said we're not having
Speaker 2: that again. And so Roger's quite right. History always informs
Speaker 2: the present, and in this case, nothing true has been said.
Speaker 2: David on what I was saying earlier about your Center prices,
Speaker 2: You're right, she's respected and she really talks. Since the
Speaker 2: Liberal Party should open their eyes, would love to see
Speaker 2: her as a regular guest on your program. I don't
Speaker 2: know if that'll happen, David, but I think she needs
Speaker 2: to be given a semi prominent role. If her potential
Speaker 2: is to be realized what I think is her potential,
Speaker 2: then this is a golden opportunity to elevate her within
Speaker 2: the shadow cabinet and to move her, if not completely away,
Speaker 2: somewhat away from just being boxed in as the go
Speaker 2: to on indigenous affairs. Of course, you can always refer
Speaker 2: to a knowledge there, but try her somewhere else and
Speaker 2: somewhere reasonably prominent. But let's see if she's got what
Speaker 2: it takes. Now, if she stumbles and falls in say
Speaker 2: shadow educational shadow, health of it and saying, okay, look,
Speaker 2: maybe she's a bit of a one hit wonder. But
Speaker 2: if she succeeds that's another stepping stone on what I
Speaker 2: think could be could be a pathway all the way
Speaker 2: to the top one day. Now, that's going to require
Speaker 2: patience and tenacity. But if she's not given half a
Speaker 2: chance here or sometime soon, it's never going to happen.
Speaker 2: One three, one eight seven three Andrew, good afternoon.
Speaker 6: Oh hello Mike here on just sent her. I hope
Speaker 6: she's high Minister one day, Mike. Something we should have
Speaker 6: done decades ago, and it would alleviate a problem that
Speaker 6: we've got now, and it's something that will have to
Speaker 6: be done in the future, but it needs to start now,
Speaker 6: is that we need to provide covered bases for America's
Speaker 6: nuclear submarines. Now we would have their presence in our waters.
Speaker 6: They're already here, but we would have them in our waters.
Speaker 6: And it is linked to space as well. It's very
Speaker 6: important and we should be working on that now. I mean,
Speaker 6: we should be training sub mariners now they are, but
Speaker 6: you know, we can't get enough and they can't the
Speaker 6: defense departments in that keeping people anyway, and we should
Speaker 6: be working very hard at this, and we should be
Speaker 6: training people to operate those bases so and they must
Speaker 6: be covered. You can't park up subs in the open.
Speaker 6: You don't want a potential enemy to know when your
Speaker 6: boats are in the water or not.
Speaker 2: Well, that's why you need to have a deep water port.
Speaker 2: But this is before we even look at that point.
Speaker 2: We've got a first andrew work out where we're going
Speaker 2: to have the basis. Now, this is a discussion that
Speaker 2: has been happening, but many are saying, well, you go
Speaker 2: down toward Port Kembley, you've got access there to a
Speaker 2: deep water port. You could do it. In other words,
Speaker 2: you can get the subs out of the port into
Speaker 2: the deep water quickly and out into the ocean preferably.
Speaker 2: Or the theory is without detection from enemies. Okay, so that's
Speaker 2: the theory. But then you've got you know, the unions
Speaker 2: for example, some of them, I think the E tou
Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken. So we don't want nuclear submarines here.
Speaker 2: It's dangerous floating chernobyls, this sort of stuff. So where
Speaker 2: there are some options, there are already local criticisms emerging
Speaker 2: out of a fear that there will be a target. Well,
Speaker 2: I guess they would be a target, but I think
Speaker 2: some of the fear is irrational. About what would happen
Speaker 2: outside of a time of war, and so we are
Speaker 2: limiting our potential already. And then of course there's the
Speaker 2: issue what do you do with the waste? Well, we
Speaker 2: had this ridiculous situation going on out at Kimber in
Speaker 2: South Australia. It's too f it's nothing at Kimber. But
Speaker 2: the one local indigenous group said oh we don't want
Speaker 2: it here, and they got all the way I think,
Speaker 2: to the Federal or the High Court and one and
Speaker 2: so Australia has no decision on where nuclear waste would
Speaker 2: be stored from our current usage out of Lucas Heights
Speaker 2: and whatever, let alone whatever happens with ucust submarines. When
Speaker 2: all of these hurdles have to be overcome. But dare
Speaker 2: I say some of the nimbiism which seems to be
Speaker 2: prevailing in legal challenges and the like, needs to be
Speaker 2: nipped in the bud. But you know, how do you
Speaker 2: do it? I don't know. I think, you know, to
Speaker 2: be blunt of a fair bit of money has to
Speaker 2: be dangled to say to people, look, this is what
Speaker 2: you're going to get in return. You know, if you
Speaker 2: put the stuff here, you get this in return. Oh okay, look,
Speaker 2: but until we get there, you know, we're going to
Speaker 2: go down the process of building some but we won't
Speaker 2: know what to do with the waste, so to speak.
Speaker 2: We won't know where to put them in us putting
Speaker 2: the cart before the horse. Thank you for the call, Andrew.
Speaker 2: It's thirteen past one. When we come back, Melissa Abu Ghazzale,
Speaker 2: founder of Top Blokes, we'll look at this issue of
Speaker 2: the really really young kids, eight year olds and the
Speaker 2: like being exposed to pornography. Well, look, I've got to
Speaker 2: be honest, I was taken a back yesterday really by
Speaker 2: this story that I saw as in the City Morning Herald,
Speaker 2: a warning from principles across the state the children as
Speaker 2: young as six, Can you believe it, have been exposed
Speaker 2: to pornography. Now, I just find that shocking, and for
Speaker 2: a whole lot of reasons. But the claims came just
Speaker 2: last week as part of a new South Wales parliamentary
Speaker 2: inquiry into the impacts of harmful pornography on mental, emotional
Speaker 2: and physical health. Now, some principles telling the inquiry that
Speaker 2: they'd seen an increase in young people impacted by viewing
Speaker 2: pornography as well as the sexual objectification of girls by
Speaker 2: their male peers in school. Now, other principles said that
Speaker 2: they'd of children in year one and year two. Can
Speaker 2: you believe it showing signs of porn exposure. Now we'll
Speaker 2: try to understand what that is in a second, But
Speaker 2: it seems that this issue has been flying a bit
Speaker 2: under the radar. But as a father of a very
Speaker 2: young daughter who no doubt has all of this in
Speaker 2: the schooling journey ahead of her, I think that we
Speaker 2: need to get to the bottom of this. Equally, I'm
Speaker 2: thankful that there are people out there working to help
Speaker 2: prevent the harm that can be caused by all of
Speaker 2: this and porn addiction and the rest of it. One
Speaker 2: of them is Melissa Abu Gazale. Now, she's the founder
Speaker 2: of a group called Top Blokes to Charity, and they
Speaker 2: work to empower and mental young boys, and they've got
Speaker 2: to focus on things like drugs, alcohol and risk taking.
Speaker 2: But this comes into it as well, and I'm pleased
Speaker 2: to say she joins me on the line, Melissa, thank
Speaker 2: you for your time, thank you for having me, As
Speaker 2: I said, as a dad of a three and a
Speaker 2: half year old, Now I'm sort of thinking five six
Speaker 2: years down the track, she'll be in year one or
Speaker 2: year two, and that she might indeed be coming across
Speaker 2: others in her cohort that have been exposed to pornography
Speaker 2: at that age and then show that somehow or express
Speaker 2: that somehow in their interactions in the playground or the classroom.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm naive, but I just find that shocking.
Speaker 7: Yeah, look, it absolutely is concerning, but unfortunately it is
Speaker 7: the reality of what we're hearing, both from schools and
Speaker 7: from parents as well. I mean, you know, international and
Speaker 7: both Australian research documents that young people as young as
Speaker 7: nine years old are being exposed to pornography, but like
Speaker 7: you mentioned, we're hearing it's even younger than that. And
Speaker 7: when we start to look at well, how is it
Speaker 7: that they're getting exposed? Yeah, there are two main ways
Speaker 7: that young people are getting accidentally exposed. And the first
Speaker 7: one to what you mentioned, is appear often showing them
Speaker 7: and it can be a friend in the playground that
Speaker 7: has access to a device. It can often be an
Speaker 7: older sibling or an older cousin as well. But the
Speaker 7: other way that they're being exposed is through online advertising.
Speaker 7: And you know what we might think might be an
Speaker 7: innocent game that a young person is playing, they can
Speaker 7: receive pop up ads and that can often be a
Speaker 7: gateway to a very deeply concerning rabbit hole that they
Speaker 7: find themselves in if.
Speaker 3: They click on it.
Speaker 2: I understand. I mean, I think, you know, in the
Speaker 2: old days, as were a lot of people might have
Speaker 2: been accidentally exposed to pornography because under some father's bed
Speaker 2: or something there was a Playboy magazine, and you know,
Speaker 2: they've got founded. These days, it does seem to be
Speaker 2: far more ubiquitous than that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, And look, when we actually think about it, this
Speaker 7: is probably the first generation of parents that are parenting
Speaker 7: young people where the parents themselves have grown up on
Speaker 7: online pornography and like, like to what you mentioned, it
Speaker 7: is different to how it would have been generations ago
Speaker 7: because the content is much more extreme, much more readily available,
Speaker 7: and yeah, more concerning than how it used to be.
Speaker 2: I know you said earlier that these young people, if
Speaker 2: we're talking about extremes here, we're talking about nine year olds,
Speaker 2: ten year olds or even younger accidentally being exposed to pornographys.
Speaker 2: So they're not going out there seeking it, but someone's
Speaker 2: shown it to them, and so they've been exposed by accident.
Speaker 2: Is there much evidence to suggest that once or twice
Speaker 2: accidentally exposed, they then go deliberately seeking more that they're
Speaker 2: shown it, and then they get a taste for as
Speaker 2: it were, and they want more. They then go and
Speaker 2: take the initiative themselves, even at a young age.
Speaker 7: Oh look, I'm sure it's probably different for every young person,
Speaker 7: and in some cases that might be the case. And
Speaker 7: I think, you know, it's really important for us to
Speaker 7: recognize that young people are going to be curious about
Speaker 7: sex and relationships at some point, and I guess as
Speaker 7: adults and those that want to protect young people, we
Speaker 7: just want to make sure that, you know, we're delaying
Speaker 7: their exposure as long as possible so that they do
Speaker 7: have that emotional or some level of emotional maturity to
Speaker 7: be able to try and understand, you know, what they
Speaker 7: are being exposed to and what they're seeing. And this
Speaker 7: is often something that young men are telling us in
Speaker 7: our programs, is that when they do come across the
Speaker 7: pornography that they see at a much younger age, they're
Speaker 7: often they have a lot of questions, and they're often
Speaker 7: very confused, and some feel very uncomfortable with what they're seeing,
Speaker 7: but they're not having a conversation with any adult about it.
Speaker 7: And that's the keys that we need to be talking
Speaker 7: to young males and young females about it at an
Speaker 7: earlier age.
Speaker 2: Okay, at what age? Because you know, the whole sex
Speaker 2: ed thing at school that was all sort of a
Speaker 2: bit of a bit of a giggly exercise for some,
Speaker 2: I suppose, But you know, that's just the nature of
Speaker 2: young people and having adults discuss those matters with them,
Speaker 2: that's completely normal. But I was reading some suggestions today
Speaker 2: that we need to be educating young people, and I
Speaker 2: suppose by extension, their parents, about issues to do with
Speaker 2: pornography as young as the age of ten. Some would say, gee,
Speaker 2: that's a bit early, but what's your take on that?
Speaker 7: Yeah, Look, and I think first and foremost, we sort
Speaker 7: of as a community should put the expectation and obligation
Speaker 7: on schools to be the ones to do the education.
Speaker 7: It definitely needs to be the role of parents and families,
Speaker 7: and we need to start normalizing these conversations now. It
Speaker 7: doesn't need to be specifically about pornography from as young
Speaker 7: as six, seven, eight years old, but it can be
Speaker 7: about how to be safe online and what to do
Speaker 7: if you see uncomfortable content that makes you uncomfortable and
Speaker 7: how I guess what's most important that they are telling
Speaker 7: an adult so that the adult can understand how they
Speaker 7: came across it, and then hopefully how to protect them
Speaker 7: so that they're not not accessing yet. So I think
Speaker 7: it's definitely the role of you know, parents and trusted
Speaker 7: adults in a young person's life. And you're right, what
Speaker 7: we need and what we'd love to see is parents
Speaker 7: feeling more confident to have these conversations, and step one
Speaker 7: would be to learn more about the harmful impacts on
Speaker 7: young people now.
Speaker 2: I mean in a lot of different areas, Melissa, we
Speaker 2: hear about the slippery slope argument, and in previous generations
Speaker 2: there was concerns raised that even things like those music
Speaker 2: video TV shows, is you Get on Saturday Morning Your Rage?
Speaker 2: And video hits and these sort of thing, increasingly the
Speaker 2: videos were becoming soft pornography, and there was an argument
Speaker 2: that well, like once the young people who were listening
Speaker 2: to the music because that's pop culture, are exposed to that,
Speaker 2: they're then going to go, like with anything else, seeking
Speaker 2: something a little more extreme and then a little more
Speaker 2: extreme and they've been exposed and down the rabbit hole
Speaker 2: they go. Is there some with hindsight, some merit to
Speaker 2: the arguments that some might say sort of Mary white
Speaker 2: House arguments all those years ago. But nonetheless some merit
Speaker 2: to that argument that even through free to wear television
Speaker 2: and children's viewing ours, we were exposing too many young
Speaker 2: people to the antecedents of pornography.
Speaker 7: Yeah, look, there's no doubt about it. The normalization of
Speaker 7: pornographic and sexualized imagery in our pop culture is there.
Speaker 7: And you know, young people don't doesn't really watch TV
Speaker 7: as much as what they did in previous generation. So
Speaker 7: we turn our attention to social media platforms like a TikTok,
Speaker 7: where their access to sexualized imagery is there and it's constant.
Speaker 7: And also young people and young men have told us
Speaker 7: now program is that platforms like only Fans, where it's
Speaker 7: user generated sexualized content. Young men tell us that that
Speaker 7: is where they often feel like maybe it's not so
Speaker 7: bad or does normalize it even more? So, we are
Speaker 7: definitely in a space where it is very hard to
Speaker 7: think that a young person is not going to be exposed,
Speaker 7: and yeah, exposed at some point in their lives.
Speaker 2: Just from a historical point of view, I mean, you
Speaker 2: go back to ancient Rome, you're still in these days.
Speaker 2: You can wander around Pompei, for example, it's pretty obviously
Speaker 2: we're all the brothels were and everything. There were fallows
Speaker 2: symbols above the doors, there was paintings on the walls.
Speaker 2: Pornography as it were, has been in sexualized imagery, a
Speaker 2: key component, a core component of pop culture really for
Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of years. I guess there'd be some
Speaker 2: out there playing Devil's advocate who would say, are we
Speaker 2: just not accepting that this has really always been there.
Speaker 2: It's just that social media has made it easier for
Speaker 2: beople to access twenty four to seven on the telephone
Speaker 2: in their bedroom.
Speaker 7: Yeah, look absolutely, you know, And I wonder if it
Speaker 7: kind of comes down to this innate curiosity that humans
Speaker 7: have around around sex and around relationships and so. But
Speaker 7: I guess what is different compared to previous generations is
Speaker 7: there is more research now that is clearly highlighting the
Speaker 7: impacts on young people and children. And we have a
Speaker 7: you know, a generation of parents and teachers who are
Speaker 7: just screaming out for help on how to address this,
Speaker 7: and you know, like in some ways, the young men
Speaker 7: tell us that top Works is one of the only
Speaker 7: times that they've ever had an open conversation around pornography,
Speaker 7: and we would love to see it be a normal
Speaker 7: conversation that's had in all settings where young men are
Speaker 7: reaching out for help.
Speaker 2: Okay, just on that, parents, until you're just screaming out
Speaker 2: for the help. I know many of them are, but
Speaker 2: they don't know where to turn. Where should they do?
Speaker 7: Yeah, So look, there are some great online resources, so
Speaker 7: Toplex has great online resources as well as a safety
Speaker 7: there's quite a few good websites. So first and foremost,
Speaker 7: we want parents to understand what are the mental, physical,
Speaker 7: and emotional impacts of pornography. Let's really understand what the
Speaker 7: impacts are for young people first and then secondly, we
Speaker 7: want to encourage parents to have conversations with their sons,
Speaker 7: but not to go in. And the first question is
Speaker 7: tell me what you're seeing, because that is going to
Speaker 7: absolutely shut down the young men. You've got to approach
Speaker 7: the conversation with curiosity. You ask young males, you know,
Speaker 7: what are their observations, what are their insights, what are
Speaker 7: they hearing? And then you know, that starts to build
Speaker 7: trust and rapport because young men tell us if they're
Speaker 7: going to have a conversation with an adult, there's two
Speaker 7: main things that needs to be present in that conversation.
Speaker 7: Firstly is a level of respect that you know, that
Speaker 7: they value what the young man is sharing himself and
Speaker 7: in his own experiences. But also young men want to
Speaker 7: learn from their parents and they want to learn from
Speaker 7: their own stories, and so that is a big key
Speaker 7: I think that parents can can lean on is how
Speaker 7: did they navigate it when they're a young person coming
Speaker 7: across online pornography, And I think that's the start of
Speaker 7: how to have a conversation with a young man. And
Speaker 7: then from there, you know, start normalizing the topic of
Speaker 7: you know, what do you do when you come across
Speaker 7: harmful content because it's not going anywhere and see, it's
Speaker 7: going to be around for quite a while.
Speaker 2: You said the conversations with their sons, but but surely
Speaker 2: it's also important the parents also extend these conversations to
Speaker 2: their daughters as well, because pornography would be being accessed
Speaker 2: by lots of young girls as well. They may be
Speaker 2: looking at it through a different prism, don't know, but
Speaker 2: there'd be an expectation on a lot of them looking
Speaker 2: at all of these images and what I'm saying, well,
Speaker 2: this is what I've got to be when I'm sixteen
Speaker 2: or whatever. So maybe it's a different conversation, but equally
Speaker 2: those conversations have to be had, don't they.
Speaker 7: Absolutely? Yeah, absolutely, any young person is actually going to
Speaker 7: be coming across the content at some point in their lives,
Speaker 7: and yeah, it would be any young person that you
Speaker 7: have access to. Don't need to have that conversation.
Speaker 2: Speaking with Melissa Abu ghazalees I said that Melissa is
Speaker 2: from the top blokes. Just finally, Melissa, you were quoted
Speaker 2: in the Herald of saying young men have a gut
Speaker 2: feeling that what they are viewing isn't healthy, but they
Speaker 2: don't know how to escape it. So there is some
Speaker 2: hope there isn't there that this is everywhere. A lot
Speaker 2: of them are looking at it and whatever sharing it,
Speaker 2: but they seem to have a sense that it's not
Speaker 2: good what they're exposed to. It's not doing them any favors.
Speaker 2: So there is some hope that with the right messaging
Speaker 2: we can turn it around. Eh.
Speaker 7: Absolutely. You know one thing that we know is that
Speaker 7: we have a very interested and captive audience in young males.
Speaker 7: They are wanting opportunities to talk about it, to talk
Speaker 7: about how they're struggling with it, and to have a
Speaker 7: voice on how to overcome the challenges and the impacts
Speaker 7: of it as well. And so we need to lean
Speaker 7: into that, meet young men where they're at and bring
Speaker 7: them on the journey because they really really want to
Speaker 7: be part of it.
Speaker 2: Important conversation. Thank you for your time and thank you
Speaker 2: for your insight. Thanks so much, all the best, Melissa
Speaker 2: Ebber Gazzale's has Haid, the founder of Top Blokes. There
Speaker 2: are charity and they work to empower and mental young
Speaker 2: boys and a very very important thing they're doing in
Speaker 2: this space. Indeed, all right, right on our past one,
Speaker 2: let's go to the newsroom eron Margaret afternoon.
Speaker 8: Good afternoon, Michael. Monthly inflation has risen slightly more than expected,
Speaker 8: hitting two point four percent in the twelve months to April,
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Speaker 2: at eighteen nineteen for Paramatt and Campbelltown, but no cloud,
Speaker 2: no rain. It seems cloudy tomorrow though, and nineteen in
Speaker 2: the city up to twenty on Friday. Mostly sunny. Then
Speaker 2: again they say maybe Monday and Tuesday bit of rain.
Speaker 2: But let's see what happens. Canberra today gooday through two
Speaker 2: double c mostly sunny and sixteen in the capitol Tagrenong
Speaker 2: is the same morning frost. Tomorrow it'll get to the
Speaker 2: top of sixteen again partly cloudy up to seventeen on
Speaker 2: Friday morning frost, with a mostly sunny day after that.
Speaker 2: Lithgo just twelve today partly cloudy. Not too many blokes
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Speaker 2: take a break. When we come back, Blake will bring
Speaker 2: his wealthy Pretzels into the studio and we'll talk personal finance.
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Speaker 2: Okay, bit of abba means it's time to dive into
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Speaker 2: Prince Al Wealthy's here in the studio with us. Hello, Blake, Michael,
Speaker 2: all right, we're getting our money's working down. If you
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Speaker 2: one three one eight seven three, anything about your home
Speaker 2: loan or super or investments or you know, other general
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Speaker 9: Blake, Yeah, certainly. So it's a forty five minute consultation.
Speaker 9: You come into the office, spring your your statements, you know,
Speaker 9: whatever questions that you might have, any sort of dark
Speaker 9: secrets that you want to reveal, all that sort of
Speaker 9: good stuff, and we'll sit down, we'll unpack it, we'll
Speaker 9: go through it, and you know, hopefully we walk away
Speaker 9: a bit more informed.
Speaker 2: Indeed, we had the inflation data today CPI or whatever
Speaker 2: they call it, two point four percent. The headline figure
Speaker 2: that was up just a tick, I think anything to
Speaker 2: read into that.
Speaker 9: Nothing to write home about really trimmed mean CPI data
Speaker 9: up a little bit as well, two point eight percent.
Speaker 9: So it's that's the one that the RBA will look
Speaker 9: at and say, well, is it getting out of control?
Speaker 9: That is not a figure which the RBA will be
Speaker 9: concerned about. That'd say, okay, it's still within our band
Speaker 9: of two to three percent, so they'd be quite comfortable
Speaker 9: in that range. So it's not going to result in
Speaker 9: drastic rate cuts, but it's sort of where they want
Speaker 9: to be.
Speaker 2: One of the questions is what do they include in
Speaker 2: the basket of items as it were that they used
Speaker 2: to formulate these figures, Because I've just got a note
Speaker 2: from someone who says, well, look, CPI's two point four percent,
Speaker 2: but my insurance went up thirty seven percent, but Telstra
Speaker 2: Internet when I'm twenty percent makes no sense.
Speaker 9: Electricity going up nine percent in July, so it's.
Speaker 2: Higher if it went for the government rebates, right, So
Speaker 2: how do they land at this figure?
Speaker 9: Well, exactly, so they look at what the average person
Speaker 9: spans and effectively try to create this basket. Now, they
Speaker 9: strip out in some cases, they strip out volatile items.
Speaker 9: So if there's a flood somewhere and that affects banana crops,
Speaker 9: well we'll take out bananas this reading because they're obviously
Speaker 9: going to be impact. So there's there's a basket of goods,
Speaker 9: the data comes out or comes across to the ABS,
Speaker 9: they work out, well, what does this actually cost and
Speaker 9: what's the cost increase that's occurring, and that's our prints.
Speaker 9: So the CPI is sort of a best guess at
Speaker 9: what prices are doing. But you're quite right. There are
Speaker 9: some items like insurances as an example, which are going
Speaker 9: up far quicker than CPI, but because they don't make
Speaker 9: up a large component of the CPI, you don't see
Speaker 9: those big increases to the overall number.
Speaker 2: Okay, so they're looking largely petrol prices, energy prices, food
Speaker 2: and grocery prices, those sort of every day weekly staples
Speaker 2: as it were. Almost okay, that helps explain it. Well, Jude,
Speaker 2: the other things you still got to have the money for, don't.
Speaker 9: You, Well, exactly right, Yeah, they're not going anywhere. You know,
Speaker 9: you're not going to stop insuring your home. Well, some are, well,
Speaker 9: well exactly, and some of the flat affected areas that
Speaker 9: the insurance policies are going through the roof if they
Speaker 9: offer them, if they offer them at all, exactly, and
Speaker 9: some people or choosing not to take it up, and
Speaker 9: so you know, then you're running the risk. Okay, if
Speaker 9: there's another flood, we're not insured. What's the impact on
Speaker 9: our financial positions? It's sad to see that that's occurring,
Speaker 9: but that's all part of how the insurers sort of
Speaker 9: reduce their risk or avoid the risk altogether, because they're
Speaker 9: in it to make money. They're not there for the
Speaker 9: love of it, unfortunately.
Speaker 2: Okay, this from Bert question on the text line before
Speaker 2: we get to the calls. He says, I'm seventy seven.
Speaker 2: Every year I have to withdraw a percentage of my
Speaker 2: fund this year at six percent. So my question is
Speaker 2: what effect is this horrible tax? I guess this is
Speaker 2: the super text we've been talking about unrealized capital games, etc.
Speaker 2: Going to have on my fund.
Speaker 9: Well, suppose if Bert's super funds over three million dollars,
Speaker 9: then he'll get caught up in this division two nine
Speaker 9: six tax. If it's less then then no impact at all.
Speaker 9: But say your superbalance was above three million dollars and
Speaker 9: it was growing with investment returns and the like. What
Speaker 9: happens is as part of the calculation when they work out, well,
Speaker 9: what's the change in balance to work out the tax,
Speaker 9: they will add back with drawals from the super fund
Speaker 9: or the pension account. But then they'll subtract contributions. So
Speaker 9: if there are with drawers, a six percent withdrawal from
Speaker 9: super that gets added back on and it's effectively you
Speaker 9: know you've earned that money. And the logic behind that is, well, okay,
Speaker 9: well we started with a smaller amount, we ended up
Speaker 9: with a lower amount, but we have to add back
Speaker 9: with drawals to sort of see, well, what did you
Speaker 9: actually earn for that period. So it's a good question.
Speaker 9: But Bert, if your balance is below three million dollars,
Speaker 9: then you're going to be okay.
Speaker 2: Okay, Bert, there you go. Pasquali's called through with a question.
Speaker 2: Pasquale far away.
Speaker 10: Yes, right, how are you good? I just I just
Speaker 10: wanted I just wanted to say, is I'm single, own
Speaker 10: my own home and just free. Quick questions is how
Speaker 10: much is the maximum I can have in savings? And
Speaker 10: what is the maximum I can have in my super?
Speaker 10: And is there a capital games tax? I heard on
Speaker 10: your family on your your family home?
Speaker 9: I heard, okay, so maximum savings. I would imagine that
Speaker 9: you're referring to the age pension with that respect, because
Speaker 9: there's no cap on. I suppose how much you can
Speaker 9: have in the bank, you can have whatever you want.
Speaker 9: Superannuation there are caps as well, so you know, roughly speaking,
Speaker 9: there is a two million dollar threshold. Once you get
Speaker 9: to two million dollars, you can't really add much more
Speaker 9: into super apart from concessional contributions. But just to come
Speaker 9: back to that first point about savings and superannuation, if
Speaker 9: it's in respect to the age pension and you're a
Speaker 9: single homeowner, then to get the full age pension you
Speaker 9: need to have assets less than about three hundred and
Speaker 9: fourteen thousand dollars. If you want to get some age
Speaker 9: pension or that cuts off at six hundred and ninety
Speaker 9: seven thousand dollars. So that's for the age mention. Now
Speaker 9: the third question around is there going to be a
Speaker 9: capital gains tax on your family home. There's no such
Speaker 9: thing at this stage. At this stage, I'll use that
Speaker 9: at this stage who knows. So what can occur though,
Speaker 9: and what could trigger a capital gains is if you've
Speaker 9: ever had the family home as an investment property for
Speaker 9: some period of time. So speak to your accountant about
Speaker 9: the family home. Have you always lived in it, has
Speaker 9: it been rented out for a period of time? Perhaps
Speaker 9: there is some capital gains there, but only if it's
Speaker 9: been an investment property and not your main residence.
Speaker 2: All right, pasqually, good question, Thank you, single and owns
Speaker 2: his own home. If it's down of Double Bay, you
Speaker 2: won't be single for too long. Ago ticks a few blocks.
Speaker 2: It's sixteen minutes to two. I shouldn't say one, three,
Speaker 2: one eight seven three. Interesting note here from Graham. He says,
Speaker 2: could you ask Blake, will the rise in bond rates
Speaker 2: in the US?
Speaker 9: Heaven fifthre ken Ken on our superinnuation fund. So so
Speaker 9: supernuation funds invest in bonds or fixed interest assets. So
Speaker 9: how it impacts us is that if we're an invest
Speaker 9: investor and we've bought government bonds from the US or
Speaker 9: treasuries and their interest rates are rising, the capital value
Speaker 9: of those bonds declines, so you may see that there
Speaker 9: is a capital decrease to that asset. So it can
Speaker 9: have an impact here. Interest rates moving up over in
Speaker 9: the US does add or it can reduce the Australian dollar.
Speaker 9: Although if there's weakness in the United States, then money
Speaker 9: will flow out of the United States into other currencies
Speaker 9: and therefore those currencies will appreciate. So yeah, it does
Speaker 9: have some impact. We're not sort of seeing it as
Speaker 9: being a doom and gloom scenario there. It's just something
Speaker 9: to be mindful of. You're not going to have huge
Speaker 9: exposure to US bonds in your portfolio. It's usually quite
Speaker 9: diversified that side of the equation. But interest rates rising
Speaker 9: in the US will have some impact on your portfolio.
Speaker 2: Expected to rise, well.
Speaker 9: What's happening at the moment with their their downgrade, the
Speaker 9: recent downgrade that's happened over there, it means that investors
Speaker 9: are expecting more from the US or higher interest to
Speaker 9: take a chance or to invest in and buy those
Speaker 9: bonds cover the risk, to cover the risk exactly, so
Speaker 9: they're seen as higher risk.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 9: You know, there's naturally some revenue coming through from the
Speaker 9: tariffs in the US and that may help with the
Speaker 9: deficits that they're seeing. They're still expected to be in
Speaker 9: deficit by about two trillion dollars, so that's you know,
Speaker 9: the fact that last month they got I think sixteen
Speaker 9: billion dollars US. You know, that's just a drop in
Speaker 9: the ocean as to what they're spending. But it's it's
Speaker 9: sort of they're trying to get in get their act
Speaker 9: together the best way that they can. And so if
Speaker 9: they can prove to the markets that you know, their
Speaker 9: budget is coming back in line and everything's looking a okay,
Speaker 9: then maybe they get that triple A rating again. But
Speaker 9: it's up to the to what they do.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't coundle that anytime soon? Yes, Now back to this
Speaker 2: division two nine to six TEX. A lot of people,
Speaker 2: even if they're not directly going to be impacted or
Speaker 2: worried about this now. Brendan's just sent me a note
Speaker 2: that many are asking, and that is okay, Well, if
Speaker 2: your investment loses money, will the government pay you? Oh?
Speaker 9: Certainly not no, So what's happening there is so say
Speaker 9: one year your part you the tax, you're payable, and
Speaker 9: then the next year you lose money. Now what will
Speaker 9: happen is the hir Reill record a higher benchmark or
Speaker 9: a watermark for what your balance has reached in one
Speaker 9: financial year, and you won't pay that tax or that
Speaker 9: tax calculation won't take effect until your balance exceeds that
Speaker 9: previous watermark or that threshold. So they're not going to
Speaker 9: pay you back. They're just saying, look, if you've lost
Speaker 9: money and your balance is down, if you get back
Speaker 9: up to these levels or the pre this levels, then
Speaker 9: we'll start introducing the tax again. So you might have
Speaker 9: a period of time where the balance has come down,
Speaker 9: you've lost some money perhaps, and so through that period
Speaker 9: where you might be making money on Suva, you haven't
Speaker 9: hit that watermark just yet, then you're not going to
Speaker 9: pay the tax.
Speaker 2: Ok. Just quickly on the capital gains tax and the
Speaker 2: family home, Jeff says, there is capital gains tax if
Speaker 2: your home is greater than five acres.
Speaker 9: Oh, certainly yes in that situation, wh circumstances, spot on.
Speaker 2: Okay, well done, Jeff, thank you. Okay, it's thirteen to two.
Speaker 2: We'll take a break. If you've got a question for
Speaker 2: Blake one three one eight seven three. Keep the text coming.
Speaker 2: A lot of people communicating that way today zero four
Speaker 2: six zero eight seven three eight seven three the ever
Speaker 2: popular Blake Owent from Pretzel Wealth seven three. Now, I
Speaker 2: just want to make the point before we go to
Speaker 2: course and tex You've always been very popular, but ever
Speaker 2: since this proposal to bring in the division two nine
Speaker 2: six tax, you've been extremely popular. And I imagine this
Speaker 2: is true across the financial advice community that people are
Speaker 2: now alert to this.
Speaker 9: Yeah, speaking with colleagues, you know, we're all getting asked
Speaker 9: the same question. You know, what does this mean for me?
Speaker 9: And you know what should we do to get ahead
Speaker 9: of it? And so the natural reaction from people is
Speaker 9: to jump and sell properties or sell assets and try
Speaker 9: to get money out of super that's their natural reaction
Speaker 9: at the moment, which rightly so. But you can do
Speaker 9: this after it's come into effects. So if your plan
Speaker 9: is to reduce your balance below three million dollars, you
Speaker 9: have until the end of the financial year in which
Speaker 9: it comes into place. I say it comes into a
Speaker 9: play from one July this year and on the by
Speaker 9: thirtieth or June twenty twenty six, if you've gotten your
Speaker 9: balance down below three million dollars, you're okay. So there's
Speaker 9: plenty of time for people to work out what does
Speaker 9: that actually mean for them. We don't have to jump
Speaker 9: and react and have a bit of a flurry to
Speaker 9: try to exit. It's okay, get some advice first. But
Speaker 9: their colleagues are saying that they're being inundated with questions
Speaker 9: around what do we actually do here? Because we don't
Speaker 9: really want to pay the tax and you know, you
Speaker 9: can understand why, and so they're trying to come up
Speaker 9: with strategies to make sure the money is still working.
Speaker 2: I can't understand why they spend it so wisely charitable
Speaker 2: of us, it's very charitable.
Speaker 9: So it's just one of these things that people don't
Speaker 9: like the idea of. And so how do we navigate
Speaker 9: around this? But we've got a bear in mind that
Speaker 9: you know, we're taking it out of a very tax
Speaker 9: effective environment. Perhaps investing that money personally isn't the greatest move.
Speaker 9: So we've just got to weigh up what the consequences
Speaker 9: look like. And everyone's portfolio is different, and so there's
Speaker 9: different types of portfolios that have been constructed, and so
Speaker 9: maybe it's better to just cop the tax because you're
Speaker 9: actually going to pay less.
Speaker 2: In the long run. It's the principle that's upset people
Speaker 2: more than the practice. I think, Okay, let's go to
Speaker 2: more calls. How Steven's got one for you? Hi, Steven, mate, Good,
Speaker 2: you got Blake? What's the question.
Speaker 11: I'm currently with one of the big industry super funds.
Speaker 11: I've been talking to a financial planner. I'm in my
Speaker 11: early fifties, and they're recommending some of the retail funds
Speaker 11: or platforms like PUB twenty four and other things like that,
Speaker 11: which just after a bit of feedback on the difference,
Speaker 11: the difference of the.
Speaker 9: Two, yeah, I suppose in a nutshell, and it really
Speaker 9: comes down to what you're after. So you know, if
Speaker 9: the industry fund's ticking all the boxes for you, then
Speaker 9: there's nothing wrong with the industry fund. Some of the
Speaker 9: other platforms like a HUB twenty four or you know
Speaker 9: there's a BT Panorama or others. You know, what they
Speaker 9: do is they offer flexibility. And so when I say flexibility,
Speaker 9: i'm talking about you know, you've got the a world
Speaker 9: of investment options to choose from. You can go into
Speaker 9: direct equities or exchange traded funds, you can buy term
Speaker 9: deposits through them, although some industry funds do offer term
Speaker 9: deposits as an option, So that would be the reason
Speaker 9: for changing or going into a platform like that if
Speaker 9: you are wanting to actually see what you're invested in.
Speaker 9: Industry funds don't really provide this too. Well, they say
Speaker 9: you're in Australian shares and you say, well, what shares
Speaker 9: am I in? Well, Australian chairs, good luck, And so
Speaker 9: the platforms offer you the ability to say, well, actually
Speaker 9: I want some BHP or I want some Commonwealth Bank.
Speaker 9: I want to actually know what's going on there. The
Speaker 9: platforms can be a little bit more expensive because you're
Speaker 9: getting you're getting access to many different investments. So just
Speaker 9: find out what the costs are, make sure you're comfortable
Speaker 9: with the decision that you're making, and really it comes
Speaker 9: down to what do you actually need and what do
Speaker 9: you feel is the right move moving forward.
Speaker 2: Okay, Stephen, good question. Mike's got an interesting one, Hime. Mike.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, I'm just wondering in relation to the super
Speaker 4: I know the rules of the family home, what would
Speaker 4: we be up against in what we're both still alive
Speaker 4: converting our house into the boys' names?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 9: Have you always lived in the home, Mike?
Speaker 2: Have you?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 9: Had always been the home? Okay, So if you converted
Speaker 9: into the boys name, capital gains tax is unlikely to
Speaker 9: be there. What you will be up for is stamp duty. Now,
Speaker 9: stamp duty gets calculated based on market rates. So you
Speaker 9: can't give to the boys for a dollar and expect
Speaker 9: to not pay any stamp duty. It just won won't happen.
Speaker 9: So you've just got to work out, well, what's the
Speaker 9: value of the property. Maybe speak to a real estate
Speaker 9: agent or get it valued, and then you can go
Speaker 9: online and look up how much stamp duty would be
Speaker 9: applicable for that transaction. You could speak to a conveyance,
Speaker 9: so I suppose who would help you do the title transfer,
Speaker 9: but just be aware that there would be some stamp
Speaker 9: duty on that. You're also giving away the family home,
Speaker 9: so if you're going to live somewhere else, that's fine.
Speaker 9: If you're planning on renting, there could be some center
Speaker 9: Link implications for doing so. Equally, you're gifting moneys away,
Speaker 9: so maybe if there could be some grainny flat right
Speaker 9: arrangements where you can get around that with Centerlink. I'd
Speaker 9: encourage you, Mike, just to get some advice first before
Speaker 9: you transfer it. Understand the costs, Understand the complications on
Speaker 9: say age pension, and make sure you're making that informed decision,
Speaker 9: because there's a few different aspects here that you might
Speaker 9: might want to look at.
Speaker 2: A couple of knock ons. Good question though, Thank you, Mike,
Speaker 2: Thank you Blake. A lot of questions still coming through
Speaker 2: York here same time. Next week. We'll delve into them.
Speaker 2: Then I'll see you there all the best Blake went
Speaker 2: there from Pretzel. Don't forget that complimentary consultation book with
Speaker 2: Blake today Pretzelwealth dot com dot AU. Now Truck's not
Speaker 2: with us today, but we'll have his tips. He sent
Speaker 2: them in to us. I'll announce those for you after
Speaker 2: two o'clock. He's apparently interstate at a footy tipping conference
Speaker 2: or something, as a workshop or something. I don't know anyway,
Speaker 2: but i'll give you the details straight after the news.
Speaker 1: Now onto GB and network stations. Back to Afternoons with
Speaker 1: Michael McClaren.
Speaker 2: Right over into the third hour. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2: If you just come along. If you missed the first
Speaker 2: few hours, our interview with Scott Morrison, the former Prime Minister,
Speaker 2: will be put up as a podcast. You'll be able
Speaker 2: to get that off two GB dot com. A number
Speaker 2: of people have said that interview you did with David
Speaker 2: murray last week's very important. Can that as a podcast?
Speaker 2: I believe it is already available as a standalone podcast. Again,
Speaker 2: just go to my page on the two beat a
Speaker 2: com website and stroll through a couple of tabs or whatever.
Speaker 2: You'll find it there and share it around. I think
Speaker 2: it was an important chat. David Murray very very clear
Speaker 2: in his thoughts on the situation with the three million
Speaker 2: dollars super tax and the principle really of unrealized capital
Speaker 2: gains having been breached. Now we'll get to chuck STIPs
Speaker 2: in just a second for what they're worth. Later this
Speaker 2: hour I'll be joined by Charles Croucher from nine down
Speaker 2: and Cambrick down to Parliament House. The Coalition have got
Speaker 2: back together as was expected, probably a little quicker than
Speaker 2: I expect, but anyway, they're back together, which is sensible
Speaker 2: and good for Australian democracy. You need a functioning and
Speaker 2: reasonably robust opposition as limited as they are in number
Speaker 2: at the moment. But we are having in about ten
Speaker 2: five or ten minutes now the Opposition leader, I think
Speaker 2: Susan Lee will step up to the podium and announce
Speaker 2: the shadow cabinet, who's in, who's out, all that sort
Speaker 2: of stuff. Will break that down for you with Charles
Speaker 2: crouchertter in the hour now, Speaking of political matters, a
Speaker 2: rather grammatically challenging headline before me here says what agrees
Speaker 2: to Woodside's Northwest shelf time extension and the purest would say,
Speaker 2: shouldn't that be who? But no, we're talking here about
Speaker 2: Murray What. Of course, freshly minted environment Minister Murray What
Speaker 2: is approved a four decade extension of Woodside's Northwest Shelf project.
Speaker 2: This is obviously off the coast of w A, following
Speaker 2: lengthy delays in signing off on the controversial what are
Speaker 2: you giggling at? Whatever? Who or whom? Who cares? Uh,
Speaker 2: that's the point that counts, So the Northwest Shelf project
Speaker 2: another four years. The approval of the project will attract
Speaker 2: strong condemnation from the environmentalists, of course, but I think
Speaker 2: in the real world we understand this has to happen.
Speaker 2: So that's gone through as a statement from the Senator.
Speaker 2: I might share some of that with you a little
Speaker 2: bit later on.
Speaker 1: Now one afternoons, it's your weekly dose of NRL tipping winch.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 2: As I said, Chuck can't be with us today. I
Speaker 2: believe he's into State ad a tips to self improvement conference.
Speaker 2: But nonetheless, here are his tips. I know a lot
Speaker 2: of you hang on his every word, and if you
Speaker 2: hang on him last week, you've been left angling because
Speaker 2: he got zip from five. As one of my rather
Speaker 2: witty and pithy correspondents said to me on the email,
Speaker 2: a biological miracle that occurred, A chuck managed to produce
Speaker 2: a duck. But nonetheless, here we go for state of
Speaker 2: origin tonight Chuck says the Blues and oh he's thrown
Speaker 2: into score prediction. Wow, how about this twenty three sixteen?
Speaker 2: That's what he reckons New South Wales twenty three the
Speaker 2: Maroons sixteen. So he's gone for the Blues. Look, I
Speaker 2: think you know the smart money, if there's such a thing,
Speaker 2: is on the Blues is in hide back him there. Now,
Speaker 2: As for the rest of the round, what are we
Speaker 2: round twelve? Now? I think of the NRL. An't we
Speaker 2: Dragons up against the Knights? He's gone for the Dragons.
Speaker 2: Has the Chuckster up against the Knights? So let's see
Speaker 2: what happens there. They are playing a jubilee now Saturday
Speaker 2: night or Saturday afternoon rather the Titans up against the Storm.
Speaker 2: He's tipped the Storm. They are playing on the Gold Coast,
Speaker 2: but I think most people would say the Storm are
Speaker 2: likely to win, although they'll have a few out well.
Speaker 2: Backing up from Origin, the Cowboys up against the Tigers.
Speaker 2: This will be the match of the round of course,
Speaker 2: Queensland Country Bank Stadium, Townsville, HQ. He's gone for the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: It's been cool, all right. I think he's right. Sea
Speaker 2: Eagles up against the Broncos on Saturday night. Broncos is
Speaker 2: the chuckster's tip, and rabbit O's up against the Warriors
Speaker 2: on Sunday. That'll be two o'clock. I think that match
Speaker 2: actually on Sunday because it's from a course stadium in Sydney.
Speaker 2: He's gone for the Bunnies, the Bunnies to beat the Warriors. Okay, well,
Speaker 2: if it up to me, I think I would have
Speaker 2: gone the Warriors. But anyway, we've got to follow the
Speaker 2: We've gotta follow the Guru. So his tips New South
Speaker 2: Wales tonight, New South Wales. I hang on this more?
Speaker 2: What am I doing? There's more Panthers vv Eels on Sunday.
Speaker 2: That's the four o'clock game Panthers, says the chuck and
Speaker 2: then wrapping up Sunday night six fifteen pm kickoff. I
Speaker 2: think Roosters and Raiders. He's back to his own team.
Speaker 2: He's back the Roosters. Okay. Oh, he's gone for a
Speaker 2: couple of a couple of outsiders, I'd say anyway, So
Speaker 2: there you go, Chuck Reckons the Blues tonight, and then
Speaker 2: Dragons Storm, Cowboys, Broncos, rabbit Os, panthers and roosters, and
Speaker 2: we'll put all of those up on the two QB
Speaker 2: presenter tipping list if you missed a couple one three,
Speaker 2: one eight seven three the open line number one three,
Speaker 2: one eight seven three. A lot of stuff around. Interesting
Speaker 2: story out of Denmark, and I wonder if it's a
Speaker 2: sign of the times. The Danes apparently are going to
Speaker 2: raise their retirement age to seventy by the year twenty forty.
Speaker 2: That's not that far away. If they do it, and
Speaker 2: well they will do it, it'll be the highest in Europe.
Speaker 2: The fen Review reporting it was a pretty tight, well
Speaker 2: controversial vote in parliament. Wasn't tight. He got through eighty
Speaker 2: one to twenty one. It has been approved by the legislature.
Speaker 2: The age of retirement has been tied to life expectancy
Speaker 2: over there, and to a degree, I think that's what
Speaker 2: happens everywhere, but in Denmark at the moment the average
Speaker 2: expectancy is eighty one point seven years, so just shy
Speaker 2: of eighty two years. But they'll be working till there's seventy,
Speaker 2: so not too much of a retirement, and the government decided, okay,
Speaker 2: we'll raise the threshold every five years. Now, under the
Speaker 2: Danish system, the retirement age will rise from sixty seven
Speaker 2: to sixty eight in twenty thirty, then up to sixty
Speaker 2: nine by twenty thirty five, and yep, you guessed it,
Speaker 2: by twenty forty up to seventy. The retirement age of
Speaker 2: seventy will only apply to Danes that are born after
Speaker 2: December the thirty first, nineteen seventy. Should they call that grandfathering?
Speaker 2: Maybe it is. In that circumstance. The Prime minister over
Speaker 2: there has admitted that the sliding scale for retirement isn't
Speaker 2: sustainable and that a news system will eventually need to
Speaker 2: replace it. Okay, Now, there's a number of issues that
Speaker 2: come up with this, because whereas once upon a time
Speaker 2: there was a fairly high percentage of most Western economies
Speaker 2: where the workers were manual workers, these days the percentage
Speaker 2: of white collar workers, technicians, professionals, or whatever the term
Speaker 2: happens to be people in the services industry is growing,
Speaker 2: and so theoretically, because they're not putting their physical shoulder
Speaker 2: to the wheel five or six days a week. Theoretically
Speaker 2: they can work longer, but there's the whole quality of
Speaker 2: life thing in play, and you don't want to discriminate
Speaker 2: between the manual workers and the office workers and then
Speaker 2: the workers from home and the rest of it. So
Speaker 2: you've got to land on a figure. And this is
Speaker 2: where a lot of economies are struggling, I think, because
Speaker 2: they've realized age pensions can't go on the way they
Speaker 2: are forever. The percentage of workers vi retirees is shifting
Speaker 2: in favor of the retirees, not the workers, and so
Speaker 2: you know, we just don't have the money in the bank.
Speaker 2: People are living longer, so it's not sustainable to give
Speaker 2: people the pension for thirty five years after their retirement.
Speaker 2: So you've got to shrink that gap. All of these
Speaker 2: different things are being thrown into the calculation, but at
Speaker 2: some point they're still going to be brick layers and
Speaker 2: steel fabricators and roofers and tilers and all these sort
Speaker 2: of people. They're probably not on average, going to be
Speaker 2: ga able to be working at seventy two, seventy three,
Speaker 2: seventy four, seventy five. Let's just be honest. It's not practical.
Speaker 2: If you're a landscape gardener, I don't think you're going
Speaker 2: to be digging trenches and hauling huge bits of pine
Speaker 2: around walls at the age of seventy seven on average.
Speaker 2: So again, all of these things have to be considered.
Speaker 2: So the Danes are moving to seventy eventually will go
Speaker 2: the same way, I'm quite sure. But how this impacts
Speaker 2: the broader electorate going forward, that is going to be
Speaker 2: something that has debated the world over. You might have
Speaker 2: some thoughts on that. Actually one three, one eight seven
Speaker 2: three is the open line number. It's quarter past two, okay,
Speaker 2: twenty past or almost twenty past two. We're still waiting
Speaker 2: for the Coalition heavies to come out and announce that
Speaker 2: shadow Cabinet. They'll be doing that in Canberra any moment.
Speaker 2: Just to repeat the news regarding energy, the Federal Government's
Speaker 2: approved the extension of the Woodside Northwest Shelf gas project.
Speaker 2: I believe for another four years. Why it took this long,
Speaker 2: I don't know. It just had to happen. Now. As
Speaker 2: regarding the police media, I've just had this come through
Speaker 2: to me that they're appealing for assistance to locate a
Speaker 2: man missing from Sydney's Northern Beaches. Ami Eta Mardi, aged
Speaker 2: twenty eight, was last seen on motor Vail Beach Motor
Speaker 2: about eleven o'clock yesterday morning. When he couldn't be contacted
Speaker 2: or located. Officers attached to Northern Beaches Police herea command
Speaker 2: were notified and commenced inquiries into his whereabouts. Amir is
Speaker 2: described as being of Mediterranean Middle Eastern appearance, about one
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy five centimeters tall, of thin build, with
Speaker 2: short brown hair. He wears glasses and he was last
Speaker 2: seen wearing a brown long sleeve shirt, light blue vest
Speaker 2: and black pants. Now about six am today, a parts
Speaker 2: by located clothing and property that police believe belongs to
Speaker 2: a Meir on Monaval Beach. Now. He's known to fre Quent,
Speaker 2: Pymble and Northern Beaches areas. Now, if you've got any
Speaker 2: information about this incident, a you are urged to contact
Speaker 2: crime Stoppers. One eight hundred triple three Triple zero. One
Speaker 2: eight hundred triple three, triple zero is the number. Now,
Speaker 2: what do you make of this? There's a story bouncing
Speaker 2: around out of the UK the other night. Look, we've
Speaker 2: all been in well, I don't know we all have.
Speaker 2: I've certainly been in plenty of sporting teams and haven't
Speaker 2: been that successful, and judging by my sporting prowess, that
Speaker 2: tended to be the result of the sporting teams. I
Speaker 2: was in the ease. The f's that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: We weren't. We weren't really playing in the big league.
Speaker 2: That was for our own safety. I think nothing else.
Speaker 2: But there's a score that came out out of the UK.
Speaker 2: I think it was one of these sort of not
Speaker 2: county cricket. It was a local cricket thing. I did
Speaker 2: a bit of that when I was over there on
Speaker 2: the gap. It was good fun until you met people
Speaker 2: that actually knew what they were doing. It's scared that
Speaker 2: the Jesus out of me. But Richmond's fourth eleven over
Speaker 2: there won the toss and elected to bowl. Now they
Speaker 2: conceded four hundred and twenty six runs. They then obviously
Speaker 2: went into that was off forty five overs, the other
Speaker 2: side six for four to twenty six of forty five overs.
Speaker 2: It must have either been a short boundary or something.
Speaker 2: But anyway, so in go to the Richmond fourth eleven
Speaker 2: needing four hundred and twenty seven to win off I
Speaker 2: assume forty five hive overs. Well, they got through five
Speaker 2: point four overs before they they were all scuttled for
Speaker 2: a grand total of two. Now, it's uh, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's the participation that's important. Is when you're that bad,
Speaker 2: you know, you sort of think, are they really just
Speaker 2: there for the cucumber sandwiches? So all out for two?
Speaker 2: Eight of the ten batsmen were gone for a duck.
Speaker 2: It's not it's not a good look. Not a good
Speaker 2: look anyway. I don't know if you've ever been in
Speaker 2: a sporting side that's been scuttled so badly or nearly
Speaker 2: as embarrassing, lea, Perhaps you'd like to share your story
Speaker 2: one three one eight seven three. Maybe it was a
Speaker 2: rugby side that got beaten one hundred and twenty to
Speaker 2: a nil or something. See, we used to have the
Speaker 2: mercy rule at school. Not that it ever applied to
Speaker 2: teams that I was playing against, no need to ever
Speaker 2: activate it, but occasionally it was almost applied to us.
Speaker 2: But you know, if you're up sort of the other side,
Speaker 2: that is, if they are up sort of sixty four
Speaker 2: nil at half time, sort of, let's just let's all
Speaker 2: have a second orange cord. And go home early or something. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that sort of thing, mercy. It's a bit harder in
Speaker 2: one day cricket. When you set someone the team a
Speaker 2: total of four hundred and twenty seven to win, you
Speaker 2: don't really predict they'd all be gone for just two.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I guess that's sport important light left, life lesson.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose really really badly.
Speaker 2: It's that time of the afternoon.
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Speaker 2: Well, here he is Clinton made art himself aka Sydney
Speaker 2: Now I think referred to this morning on the number
Speaker 2: one breakfast show in this city as I think I
Speaker 2: just don only get this wrong, but I think the
Speaker 2: allegation was the thinking woman's sex symbol, sex symbol, sex bomb,
Speaker 2: something like that sex symbol thanks yet to be denied
Speaker 2: by Clinton. Maynard. Hello Clinton, I've been.
Speaker 5: Looking forward to talking to the cutest boy yes in
Speaker 5: the building.
Speaker 2: Mick mack Helo, Hello, Sexy Beast, I love Pordo he's
Speaker 2: for the governments today. I don't know what was going
Speaker 2: on in breakfast, but it was interesting point to make
Speaker 2: that the claim about me has been fiercely criticized and
Speaker 2: attacked by certain people on board who think it should
Speaker 2: be them. One of them's just walked in, Cameron de Carlo.
Speaker 2: He's got one pair of shorts. Well, he only has
Speaker 2: one pair of shorts, but he wears them particularly well
Speaker 2: in more ways than one. But he he is of
Speaker 2: the belief he is the cutest boy in the building.
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 5: No, I'm giving you the title. I agree with Ben completely,
Speaker 5: and particularly with your style. The fact that you've had
Speaker 5: the guts to wear Marone today. Purple, which is rats
Speaker 5: closer to mona happens when you mix blue and red.
Speaker 5: So he's he's wearing folks. He's wearing a West Tiger's shirt,
Speaker 5: his high viz yellow. Yes and over that is a
Speaker 5: Morone Jumpers purple jumper. Purple jumper. Well, I'm not wearing that.
Speaker 5: I am at least wearing the official statum. You've got
Speaker 5: the real thing, hoodie. You look very smart. Nobody's asked
Speaker 5: me for my tips today.
Speaker 2: No, who do you support?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 5: New South Wales by how many New South Well, I'm
Speaker 5: formally tipping New South Wales. I think Queen's gonna win,
Speaker 5: but I'm formally.
Speaker 2: I think I don't think. I think your Southwest.
Speaker 5: It's a no brain. They're playing at son called Game one.
Speaker 5: Look at their lineup. But I'm tipping New South Wales
Speaker 5: because I've been criticized for not supporting my team, so
Speaker 5: formally tipping New South Wales.
Speaker 2: Okay, what about Cronala, Well they're not.
Speaker 5: I think I think they've got a really good chance
Speaker 5: this weekend. Bye, they're playing.
Speaker 2: Good yes, yeah, good luck to them all. Right now
Speaker 2: after three o'clock, what's happening?
Speaker 5: Yeah, plenty. Coming up on the program, we'll have a
Speaker 5: look at the train's three person panel announced today to
Speaker 5: conduct a review. It is a review into a review.
Speaker 5: That's actually the formality because they the Walsh Report was
Speaker 5: conducted and Carolyn Walsh is now part of this review
Speaker 5: and she'll be conducting a review of what she previously reviewed,
Speaker 5: just to see where they're up to.
Speaker 2: But this is yes minute, this is just so government,
Speaker 2: isn't it. We'll have a review to look at the
Speaker 2: review and then we'll have an inquiry about the review,
Speaker 2: and then we'll have a review into the inquiry, and
Speaker 2: then we'll have an election.
Speaker 5: The reality is I was inundated with messages while I
Speaker 5: was on are yesterday afternoon with problems with the Metro
Speaker 5: Monday afternoon.
Speaker 2: It was the T one.
Speaker 5: Now, there were certain circumstances that triggered the T one problems,
Speaker 5: but it also meant that if you're on the line
Speaker 5: throughout city's western suburbs, you're also affected by what was
Speaker 5: happening in our tament Friday afternoon. Yes, we had weather
Speaker 5: events that occurred in the middle of the day, but
Speaker 5: is that an excuse for the City Circle to be
Speaker 5: it standstill at three point fifteen of course, and then
Speaker 5: the forty eight hours outage before that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, I don't want to cut the rail network
Speaker 2: any slack because I don't think they necessarily deserve it.
Speaker 2: But if you go to the UK, where they've had
Speaker 2: an extensive rail network for a long time, you get
Speaker 2: the quote unquote wrong type of snow and the whole
Speaker 2: thing shuts down as well. So it's not as if
Speaker 2: it's only Sydney that has a weather related issue, and.
Speaker 5: They have plenty of industrial relations problems with that particular
Speaker 5: workforce as well. Yes, certainly they have it, so we'll
Speaker 5: have a look at that. Also going to have a
Speaker 5: look at the effects of concussion with an expert in
Speaker 5: this field. But there's been obviously not a focus on
Speaker 5: concussion AFL particularly right Yeah, AFL other context sports including
Speaker 5: rugby league and rugby union. But a teenager passed away
Speaker 5: this week in New Zealand playing run it Straight, which
Speaker 5: has received a little bit of attention in the past
Speaker 5: couple of weeks. Run it Straight is. Yes, it's a
Speaker 5: very physical form of what we would have played back
Speaker 5: in the day, tackle bull rushes, something like that, but
Speaker 5: it's the way social media is being used to really
Speaker 5: push these trends along that are quite dangerous. So we're
Speaker 5: going to talk to an expert in concussion about that. Plus,
Speaker 5: we often this time of the year, coming up towards
Speaker 5: the end of the financial year, here a warning from
Speaker 5: the ATO about what we can't claim for tax deductions.
Speaker 5: How we're going to find ourselves in trouble if we
Speaker 5: claim things that we're not really entitled to. What some
Speaker 5: research has been released today from H and R Block
Speaker 5: that sixty six percent of us actually not making claims
Speaker 5: correctly and doing ourselves out of five hundred dollars per year.
Speaker 2: So I'll be speaking with.
Speaker 5: H and R Block about that.
Speaker 2: Did you text deduct the dry cleaning of that jersey
Speaker 2: that you're wearing.
Speaker 5: It hasn't been dry lead yet.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, cutting your some slack. Thanks Clinton, Clinton, of course,
Speaker 2: straight after three o'clock with Sydney Now Susan Lee, the
Speaker 2: Opposition leader. Official Opposition leaders just stood up in Canberra
Speaker 2: to start outlining the shadow cabinet. Let's have a listen
Speaker 2: and we can.
Speaker 12: Announce our new coalition shadow ministry. I want to thank you,
Speaker 12: David for the respectful and productive way that you and
Speaker 12: I have engaged throughout this process, and I know that
Speaker 12: we will be a great partnership going forward. I promise
Speaker 12: my leadership would be done differently, and it will be.
Speaker 12: I've communicated with every single member of my party room
Speaker 12: about this shadow ministry, those who are in the Shadow
Speaker 12: Ministry and those who are not. Now that style might
Speaker 12: be unconventional, but it's important because I always said that
Speaker 12: I would harness the talents of my party room. Everyone
Speaker 12: has a role to play, even if they're not formally
Speaker 12: in this lineup, and as I said, I've communicated with
Speaker 12: every member of my party room, all fifty four because
Speaker 12: this is a team that draws on the deep well
Speaker 12: of the Australian experience. It includes those who've served in uniform,
Speaker 12: migrants and the descendants of the oldest continuous culture on Earth.
Speaker 12: There are those who've balanced the books in small businesses
Speaker 12: and those who've made tough calls in corporate boardrooms. Our
Speaker 12: team is one of strivers and optimists, of leaders and listeners.
Speaker 12: We have voices from the city to the bush, people
Speaker 12: who went to university and those who got a trade.
Speaker 12: The new Coalition Shadow Ministry balances experience with new talent.
Speaker 12: It reflects the full range of our philosophical traditions, values
Speaker 12: and perspectives across our two great party rooms. And this
Speaker 12: is important because our parties are at their best when
Speaker 12: they work together to fight right now as a strong
Speaker 12: opposition for this government. Now, I'm really excited to work
Speaker 12: with my new economic team, Ted O'Brien as Shadow Treasurer
Speaker 12: and James Patterson in Finance Andrew Bragg in a new
Speaker 12: productivity and deregulation role. This will help develop economy wide
Speaker 12: solutions to pressing issues for Australians, including housing, and as
Speaker 12: Shadow Housing Minister, Andrew will ensure that housing policy is
Speaker 12: at the heart of our economic agenda. Tim Wilson will
Speaker 12: be the Shadow Minister for Industrial Relations and Employment and
Speaker 12: most importantly, the Shadow Minister for Small Business. Dave Shalmer
Speaker 12: will also join the Economic team as the Shadow Assistant
Speaker 12: Minister for Competition, Charities and Treasury. I'm particularly proud of
Speaker 12: our Foreign Affairs, National Security and Defense team, which will
Speaker 12: include Bechaylia Cash as Shadow Foreign Minister, Angus Taylor as
Speaker 12: Shadow Defense Minister, Andrew Hasty as Shadow Home Affairs Minister,
Speaker 12: and Jason Wood as Shadow Minister for International Development and
Speaker 12: the Pacific. This is a strong team that knows what
Speaker 12: it takes to keep Australians safe. As the first woman
Speaker 12: to take on the Leader of the Opposition role, I'm
Speaker 12: also very pleased to see a number of capable women
Speaker 12: advance forward. Nothing is more central to the prosperity of
Speaker 12: Australians than our safety, so I'm excited to see Senator
Speaker 12: Jacinta nabajimper Price take on the crucial role of Shadow
Speaker 12: Minister for Defense Industry and Shadow Minister for Defense Personnel.
Speaker 12: Karen Little will come into the Shadow Cabinet and serve
Speaker 12: as Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australians and so Services. Angie
Speaker 12: Bell will come into the Shadow Cabinet with the Environment
Speaker 12: and Youth portfolios. Melissa Macintosh will take on the really
Speaker 12: important Women's portfolio and continue her great work in communications,
Speaker 12: being a strong voice for the protection of women and
Speaker 12: children from the failures of big tech.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's Susan Lee. She continues to speak in
Speaker 2: Canberra outlining the shadow Cabinet. I'll bring you more of that.
Speaker 2: David Little Proud about to step up and give his
Speaker 2: take on all of this as well. But before we do,
Speaker 2: let's cross to the newsroom of all the other news
Speaker 2: of the day. You're a Margaret.
Speaker 8: Afternoon, Good afternoon, Michael, and yesap, we have just heard
Speaker 8: Ted O'Brien's chosen shadow treasurer. Opposition Leader Susan Lee has
Speaker 8: announced Angus Taylor moves to Defense and Andrew Hasty to
Speaker 8: Home Affairs in the shadow front bench. The Federal government
Speaker 8: has given Woodside the all clear for a massive gas
Speaker 8: development off the West Australian coast. The company will have
Speaker 8: to abide by strict environmental conditions a legal challenge against
Speaker 8: Ewington College, going co Ed's being dealt a significant blow
Speaker 8: the judge ruling the term youth in the school's trust
Speaker 8: deed was used in a gender neutral sense, and King
Speaker 8: Charles has become the first monarch in nearly seventy years
Speaker 8: to preside over the opening of Canadian Parliament. He alluded
Speaker 8: to US President Donald Trump's suggestions of annexation. Mister Trump
Speaker 8: responded on social media claiming Canada is considering an offer
Speaker 8: to become the fishty first US state in sport. Rugby
Speaker 8: Australia is pushing for the introduction of Golden Point to
Speaker 8: decide drawn games in the upcoming series between the Wallabies
Speaker 8: and British and Irish Lions. ARA wants to avoid a
Speaker 8: repeat of the twenty seventeen series between the All Blacks
Speaker 8: and Lines, which ended one All There'll be more news
Speaker 8: at three o'clock on afternoons.
Speaker 1: A finance update for Pretzel Wealth and finance for Trusted
Speaker 1: Financial Planning Just Google Blake went to Pretzel.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's catch up with Scott Phillips from the Botley
Speaker 2: full dot com dot e ue joins us Scott the
Speaker 2: monthly CPI d Arta as we discussed little earlier has
Speaker 2: been released today. It's that from the Bureau a Bureau
Speaker 2: of Statistics, rather than not mediorology. What do our inflation
Speaker 2: numbers tell us? What are the numbers telling us?
Speaker 13: Not pretty unfortunately, maybe a better forgot it from the bomb,
Speaker 13: but instead we got from the Bureau of Statistics. Two point
Speaker 13: four percent was the monthly inflation number. Now that's still
Speaker 13: much better than it has been in the past. We
Speaker 13: know that, we know it's been much much higher. The
Speaker 13: problem was that was two point four percent last month.
Speaker 13: We were hoping it was going to keep coming down,
Speaker 13: so it stayed stumbling at that kind of level. It's
Speaker 13: not the worst thing in the world. If we stayed
Speaker 13: at two and a half percent for the year, we'd
Speaker 13: be well inside of the RBA's target range. But we
Speaker 13: know this can be volatile, Sony. Any decrease would have
Speaker 13: been useful. Also, we wanted to see the trend continue,
Speaker 13: the sense that we were going to to get things
Speaker 13: to get better on inflation rather just stay stagnant. So
Speaker 13: I guess, okay, okay. Result, the problem is the annual
Speaker 13: trimmed mean actually went up. And this is the one
Speaker 13: that kind of is a bit ugly, so it was
Speaker 13: two point seven percent. Now the trim mean takes out
Speaker 13: the volatile stuff. It was two point seven scent last
Speaker 13: month in March or the month before when it was
Speaker 13: last released. The most recently released data for April release
Speaker 13: today goes up from two point seven to two point
Speaker 13: eight percent. An increase is definitely definitely not wanted. So yeah,
Speaker 13: that's where we find ourselves. Not a great result, unfortunately,
Speaker 13: could have been worse, but could have been a heap better.
Speaker 13: Probably going to have the RBA rocking back a little
Speaker 13: bit in its chair when it comes to thinking about
Speaker 13: the next rate cup potential. In July, okay, the market
Speaker 13: on the dollar markets was having a better date, so
Speaker 13: I've dropped off after lunch. We're now down a tenth
Speaker 13: of one percent eighty six hundred and twenty five points.
Speaker 13: Memberhi of the his trained dollars down seven tents of
Speaker 13: a percent sixty four point three zero us sinse wonderful.
Speaker 2: Thank you for that. Scott will catch you tomorrow. Scott
Speaker 2: Phillips said from the Motley foolfull dot com dot au.
Speaker 2: Just listening in to Susan Lee and David Little Proud.
Speaker 2: I mean couple of the important portfolios and important positions.
Speaker 2: The Shadow Treasurer will be Ted o'bright. He's enormously capable,
Speaker 2: although I think losing him out of Energy is a
Speaker 2: loss for the broader debate because he will be replaced
Speaker 2: by Dan t And I don't think to be fair,
Speaker 2: Danteene really prosecuted the immigration case with greater plom We
Speaker 2: need someone who's going to be able to forensically dissect
Speaker 2: the policies of Chris Bowen. Whether Danteene is the answer
Speaker 2: to that, I'm yet to be convinced. I hope you can.
Speaker 2: He will be joined as Assistant Minister of Energy by
Speaker 2: Senator Dean Smith. Now Dean Smith's very capable, but he
Speaker 2: isn't the Senate. But let's see what happens with those
Speaker 2: two on that issue. It's most important. Immigration goes to
Speaker 2: Senator Paul Scarr. I don't think too many people will
Speaker 2: be able to spot Paul scar in an airport lineup,
Speaker 2: but anyway, there you go. Just at a price. She's
Speaker 2: defense industry and defense personnel, so not in indigenous affairs,
Speaker 2: but moved to a different portfolio. That's okay. She needs
Speaker 2: to have it needs to be tested. As we said,
Speaker 2: earlier outside of Indigenous Affairs. Now, I don't think Defense
Speaker 2: industry and personnel is a seat at the cabinet table.
Speaker 2: I think it's on the sort of the set secondary rung,
Speaker 2: as it were. I think I'm right in saying that
Speaker 2: Andrew Hasty goes into Home affairs Michaulia Cash, I think
Speaker 2: is foreign affairs, Angus Taylor out of Treasury into defense itself.
Speaker 2: Now he'll have to prove himself there. Andrew Hasty as
Speaker 2: the said Home Affairs now Dave Sharma, he's going to
Speaker 2: be competition Tim Wilson's in as was expected, he goes
Speaker 2: into be shadow ir and small business. He will be
Speaker 2: a hand in the glove right there. Andrew Bragg very capable,
Speaker 2: send it a brag. He goes in for productivity, said
Speaker 2: Ted O'Brien, as Treasurer Finance. Alongside that will be the
Speaker 2: very capable James Patterson. So an interesting move, a bunch
Speaker 2: of moves it does. When you look down the list,
Speaker 2: look like pretty much everyone gets surprised because between shadow
Speaker 2: ministries and a shadow assistant ministries and this and that
Speaker 2: is about a thousand of them. So they'll all have
Speaker 2: some sort of role. I think were you saying Jacob
Speaker 2: Gisell capped here in depending on whether she holds Bradfield
Speaker 2: or not, gets a gurney somewhere. We'll see what happens
Speaker 2: there as well. One three one eight seven three more
Speaker 2: after this, okay, questions coming through from you about the
Speaker 2: shadow ministry. Someone asks, what about Julian Lisa. Yes, Julian
Speaker 2: Lisa will be the shadow Attorney General and the arts.
Speaker 2: He gets that one as well. But a shadow Attorney
Speaker 2: General Julian Lisa. That seems to make a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: Some noticeable absentees, Sarah Henderson and Jane Hume. I believe
Speaker 2: both dumped completely. I don't think they're getting a run.
Speaker 2: So Sarah Henderson and Jane Hume out. That's my understanding
Speaker 2: at this point in time. One three one eight seven three.
Speaker 2: All right, there's a qu to call if you want
Speaker 2: to go along to the National Wine Festival in Canberra.
Speaker 2: We can put your name in the draw. We'll be
Speaker 2: drawing the winner on Friday's program at the time we
Speaker 2: do that Friday Food. So one three one eight seven three.
Speaker 2: I need call a number five today, Please number five
Speaker 2: on the open line. One three, one eight seven three,
Speaker 2: and you're in the draw that's accommodation at the Extraordinary
Speaker 2: Park high at Candra. Two tickets to the trophy presentation
Speaker 2: dinner at Parliament House that'll be on Thursday, the twelfth
Speaker 2: of June. Two tickets to the Expo tasting event on
Speaker 2: the thirteenth. A beautiful prize. So if you want to
Speaker 2: go along, call a number five getting quick one, three, one, eight,
Speaker 2: seven to three and you will be in the drawer.
Speaker 2: As I said, we will reveal the winner on Friday.
Speaker 2: It's thirteen and a bit minutes to three. Just before
Speaker 2: we get to Track of the day. Seven years earlier,
Speaker 2: we're reporting the Cocoa twos baby formula company has recorded
Speaker 2: its product over feeding guide errors. The era relates to
Speaker 2: incorrect labeling of scoop sizes of the product, which is
Speaker 2: a world first baby formula developed here in Australia from
Speaker 2: coconut milk. A number of parents had informed that their
Speaker 2: babies were losing weight and getting sick. The father of
Speaker 2: a four month old baby, who wanted to remain anonymous,
Speaker 2: according to seven Years, said his son ended up in
Speaker 2: hospital with severe malnutrition. So just to repeat Cocoa two's
Speaker 2: baby formula, the company behind that I have recalled its
Speaker 2: product over feeding guide errors. All right, So just to
Speaker 2: let you know.
Speaker 1: Now one afternoons the track of the day.
Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, well down a Raphael of Granville. Raphael,
Speaker 2: you're on the shortlist for the announcement on Fridays to
Speaker 2: the Wonderful Wine Prize. So congratulations, stay there and we'll
Speaker 2: pull the name out of the bottle as it were
Speaker 2: on Friday to see who the lucky winner is. It's
Speaker 2: a heck of a prize. Okay, track of the day.
Speaker 2: Speaking of wonderful prizes, you want to double pass to
Speaker 2: Island Orchestrated with the one and only Damien Leith, And
Speaker 2: of course we interviewed Damien. He sung for us in
Speaker 2: here beautiful music. Well, I got a double pass. So
Speaker 2: if you want to go one three, one eight seven three,
Speaker 2: this is going to be Saturday May thirty one. Don't
Speaker 2: miss Island Orchestrated. It's Sydney's iconic State Theater. He is
Speaker 2: the voice that stole Australia's heart, Damien Leith, and the
Speaker 2: good news is he's back on stage Saturday May thirty one.
Speaker 2: If you want to go one three, one eight seven three.
Speaker 2: But you're going to have to do the hard work.
Speaker 2: First track of the day, we give you a question,
Speaker 2: you know, And I was on this day in the
Speaker 2: year two thousand, the Canberra Raiders played the Mighty Tigers.
Speaker 2: They score I think Cambra one twenty four to twenty two.
Speaker 2: But there was something rather unique about the game. All right,
Speaker 2: on this day of the year two thousand, the Raiders
Speaker 2: played the Tigers. I was in Canberra. The score was
Speaker 2: twenty four to twenty two to the Raiders. But there
Speaker 2: was something particularly unique about the game. What happened or
Speaker 2: what was it? If you can recall one, three, one, eight,
Speaker 2: seven to three and the first person with the right
Speaker 2: answer against the prize, great prize. Here's a little clue.
Speaker 3: The snow is snowing, the wind is blowing.
Speaker 2: But I can weather the star.
Speaker 7: What do I care how much it may start.
Speaker 12: I've got my love to keep me warm.
Speaker 3: I can't remember a worst December.
Speaker 5: Just watch those icycles fall.
Speaker 2: What do I care? Is iicircles fall? I've got my
Speaker 2: love to keep me.
Speaker 9: Off with my ow the code off with Michaels.
Speaker 2: All right, let's say you can find a winner one
Speaker 2: through one. No more calls full board. I'm sure we'll
Speaker 2: get one here. Carry you are through very very quickly.
Speaker 2: What you what happened, Carrie? What happened on that? They did?
Speaker 2: They did correct and a few of them got frostbot
Speaker 2: I believe as well. All right, well done, Okay, you're
Speaker 2: off to see the wonderful Damian Leith. That's going to
Speaker 2: be a beautiful, beautiful concert Saturday May thirty one. Hang,
Speaker 2: they're Kerry, well done and we'll get the double pass
Speaker 2: to you. And you were going to be in for
Speaker 2: a real treat. They did. They played in the snow.
Speaker 2: Now where are we? About ten minutes to three, David
Speaker 2: Little Proud still speaking to the media. We were hoping
Speaker 2: to speak to Nines Charles Croucher, but he's in the
Speaker 2: room obviously covering the press conference. So I suspect we
Speaker 2: might have to hand that over to Clinton or somebody else.
Speaker 2: But the better part of the Shadow Minister has all
Speaker 2: been announced to center Price out of Indigenous affairs, she
Speaker 2: goes into defense material and whatnot. Dan Tean, I think
Speaker 2: this in some ways is actually the headline the Coalition
Speaker 2: have decided. Dan Teyan is best placed to prosecute the
Speaker 2: case against Chris Bowen and just a moment ago. Obviously
Speaker 2: not everyone agrees with that, and I don't. And so
Speaker 2: Susan Lee was asked by somebody, do you think this
Speaker 2: is the right fit? And she said, words to the fact,
Speaker 2: everybody agrees. Everybody agrees Dan Tean's the right choice. Sorry,
Speaker 2: I don't think everyone does agree. Now, Look, people like
Speaker 2: me stand to be corrected. And for the nation's sake,
Speaker 2: I hope Dan rips and tears and does brilliantly, but
Speaker 2: he'll have big shoes to fill following the lead of
Speaker 2: Ted O'Brien in the last election. Despite the result, there
Speaker 2: was probably one area where the coalition we're head and
Speaker 2: shoulders above the opposition on the debate, and that is energy. Now,
Speaker 2: they didn't fully prosecute the case, probably because the headquarters
Speaker 2: didn't allow them to do it, but there's no doubt
Speaker 2: whenever they met, whenever they spoke, ted O'Brien wiped the
Speaker 2: floor with the Chris Bowen. Will Dan Tean do the same,
Speaker 2: I don't know. And he'll have a big challenge because
Speaker 2: they won't fully commit to nuclear as an alternative either,
Speaker 2: so that's going to be a difficult one for him
Speaker 2: to navigate. Anyway, there'll be full coverage about all of
Speaker 2: that with Clinton straight after three o'clock on Sydney. Now,
Speaker 2: as you can appreciate now, look, if you're not watching
Speaker 2: the shadow Cabinet being unveiled, chances are you're not a
Speaker 2: lot of people are watching other things. Now there's this
Speaker 2: show bouncing around. I've never seen an episode. I've seen
Speaker 2: the shorts of it. Probably not my kind of thing.
Speaker 2: The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, The Secret Lives of
Speaker 2: Mormon Wives. Apparently this is absolutely a ratings juggernaut and
Speaker 2: I think it follows if I'm not mistaken. Seven Mormon
Speaker 2: ladies are they all from Utah? I guess Salt Lake
Speaker 2: City or something, And it's a bit of an insight
Speaker 2: into their lives and the scandal. Anyway, so season two's
Speaker 2: arriving because season one was that enormous hit, and it
Speaker 2: says he the cast open up about six stereotypes and
Speaker 2: swinging swinging. I don't know that was a Mormon thing.
Speaker 2: But anyway, as they say here in the UK Telegraph,
Speaker 2: Mormonism is having a moment on TikTok and Instagram and
Speaker 2: hit stage and TV shows among the believers forming snaking
Speaker 2: queues outside churches from Salt Lake City to South Kensington.
Speaker 2: In the era of Trump's America, the Church of Jesus
Speaker 2: Christ of the Latter day Saints, with all its conservative
Speaker 2: rules and regulations, is riding a wave of increasing popularity.
Speaker 2: Social media is dominated by Mormon tradwife influences really, such
Speaker 2: as Nara Smith and Ballerina Farm. Now is that a
Speaker 2: place or a person? Ballerina Farm? Does anybody know? It
Speaker 2: sounds like somewhere that you'd rere unicorns or something, But
Speaker 2: maybe it's a person who presenters idyllic, old fashioned daily
Speaker 2: existence filled with Bible study, baking, and breastfeeding their never
Speaker 2: ending supply of children to the millions of followers. Sales
Speaker 2: of the Book of Mormon, the Holy Scripture that they follow,
Speaker 2: have doubled since the start of the millennium, with the church,
Speaker 2: which has around sixteen million active members worldwide, reporting that
Speaker 2: more than two hundred million copies had been distributed by
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, up from one hundred million in the
Speaker 2: year two thousand. But they say there's another factor in
Speaker 2: the church's resurgence. Last year, reality TV gained a new
Speaker 2: mega hit in the Seak Lives of Mormon Wives, a
Speaker 2: soapy scandalous series about a group of female Mormon influences
Speaker 2: known as Mumtockers living in the state of Utah, and
Speaker 2: I think Disney put all this together. They report that
Speaker 2: season two, which launched in the UK last week, has
Speaker 2: already been watched by five million people, a marked increase
Speaker 2: from the first season premiere, according to the studio, although
Speaker 2: the increase hasn't been publicly declared, and on and on
Speaker 2: a ghost so it says here it's got all the
Speaker 2: juicy sort of stuff that TV needs. Ex best friends
Speaker 2: turned enemies, villainous backstabers, out landish gossip, illicit sex, adultery, gambling,
Speaker 2: old hear and carefully controlled social events that ninety nine
Speaker 2: percent of the time end in screaming matches, set against
Speaker 2: the backdrop of a swinging scandal that almost tore apart
Speaker 2: the lives of some of the shows cast back in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. It says it's a recipe for TV gold, right,
Speaker 2: So it's sort of like Maths meets the Mormons, and
Speaker 2: apparently it's rating just as well. Well, I didn't watch
Speaker 2: season one do other things, but chances are many of
Speaker 2: you did. Is it as gripping as all of that one, three,
Speaker 2: one eight seven three five to three. All right, we're
Speaker 2: out of here in a minute, but the opposition press
Speaker 2: conference continues in Canberra. David Little Proud has just been
Speaker 2: asked about just see a price going to the outer
Speaker 2: ministry with defense industry. Here he is.
Speaker 14: We've made it clear before we were disappointed that Jacina
Speaker 14: left us, but I was proud of the fact that
Speaker 14: we were the first to support her and the no
Speaker 14: case our party room, we got that cabinet position for
Speaker 14: her to give her that platform. But she has ambition
Speaker 14: beyond what my party room can give, and I don't
Speaker 14: think I should put my personal disappointment above somebody who
Speaker 14: has the ambition to have a high office than what
Speaker 14: the National Party. I think I've got to be bigger
Speaker 14: than that and think about the country and we wish
Speaker 14: it well in whatever endeavor she gets in terms of
Speaker 14: achieving that. But why should we put a ceiling on
Speaker 14: someone that has ambition?
Speaker 2: There is David Little Proud. There'll be some people saying,
Speaker 2: is this a big enough portfolio for her to test
Speaker 2: a toe in the war. Let's see, let's see. Thank
Speaker 2: you for your company. As I said, Clinton's up next
Speaker 2: with Sydney now and i'll be with you tomorrow. Have
Speaker 2: a good afternoon.