1 00:00:08,060 --> 00:00:11,450 S1: Hey there. I'm Osman Farooqui and this is The Drop, 2 00:00:11,450 --> 00:00:14,540 S1: a culture show from the Sydney Morning Herald and The Age, 3 00:00:14,540 --> 00:00:17,000 S1: where we dive into the latest in the world of 4 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:35,269 S1: pop culture and entertainment. Camp Cope have been one of 5 00:00:35,270 --> 00:00:39,530 S1: the most important Australian bands over the past decade since 6 00:00:39,530 --> 00:00:42,949 S1: their debut album in 2015. They've changed the sound of 7 00:00:42,950 --> 00:00:46,520 S1: local indie rock and they forced the music industry to 8 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,360 S1: reckon with its treatment of women. The music is critically 9 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,020 S1: acclaimed and adored by fans all over the world, so 10 00:00:54,020 --> 00:00:57,230 S1: it was pretty devastating when the band announced earlier this 11 00:00:57,230 --> 00:01:00,200 S1: year that they were breaking up. I caught up with 12 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,620 S1: the group to discuss the origins of Camp Cope, what 13 00:01:03,620 --> 00:01:08,510 S1: they hope to achieve, the important conversations they started, why 14 00:01:08,510 --> 00:01:11,179 S1: they broke up and what's coming next. 15 00:01:11,370 --> 00:01:18,310 UU: Starving. And he was so sick that you are dying. 16 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:24,840 UU: If I was hungry, then you. Stop. Now tell the 17 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,660 UU: dead man. I mean, you're the white. 18 00:01:33,350 --> 00:01:37,640 S1: So here with Georgia Kelly and Tomo from Camp Cope 19 00:01:37,790 --> 00:01:41,270 S1: ahead of what will be your guys final ever performance 20 00:01:41,270 --> 00:01:44,869 S1: together as a band at the Sydney Opera House in October? Gang, 21 00:01:44,870 --> 00:01:50,000 S1: it's been a few months since you announced things were ending. 22 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:51,050 S1: How are we feeling? 23 00:01:51,470 --> 00:01:52,490 S2: It's weird, isn't it? 24 00:01:52,700 --> 00:01:54,950 S1: It's weird for me. I mean, it's really nice to 25 00:01:54,950 --> 00:01:58,450 S1: be here with all of you, but. I felt odd. 26 00:01:59,150 --> 00:02:01,960 S3: I think it was always going to be weird and like, 27 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,450 S3: we love each other so much and this isn't because 28 00:02:04,450 --> 00:02:08,360 S3: of like, personal issues. It's just that, like, Camp Cope 29 00:02:08,380 --> 00:02:11,860 S3: was like started eight years ago and we were all 30 00:02:11,860 --> 00:02:16,000 S3: completely different people and completely different parts of our life. 31 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:20,200 S3: And now we're not like, Kelly's a mom. I live 32 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,320 S3: in Los Angeles. Thomas stayed exactly the same. 33 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:26,260 S4: And looks and looks. 34 00:02:26,260 --> 00:02:26,860 S3: Exactly the. 35 00:02:26,860 --> 00:02:27,400 S4: Same. 36 00:02:28,780 --> 00:02:32,260 S2: It's funny, you look at pictures from from when we 37 00:02:32,260 --> 00:02:35,770 S2: started and because I guess, well, I'm ten years older 38 00:02:35,770 --> 00:02:38,020 S2: than these two, so it's like you see them and 39 00:02:38,020 --> 00:02:41,140 S2: they're like 22 or something. And I'm like these two 40 00:02:41,139 --> 00:02:44,380 S2: tiny children and then me. And then in ten years 41 00:02:44,380 --> 00:02:47,740 S2: they look like adults and I look like I haven't grown, 42 00:02:47,740 --> 00:02:50,800 S2: like I still look like a child and an old child. 43 00:02:50,830 --> 00:02:53,770 S1: Kelly's beautiful coda in the background, weakening. I mean, even 44 00:02:53,770 --> 00:02:56,500 S1: this this call that we're all on is, I guess, 45 00:02:56,770 --> 00:03:00,250 S1: a signifier of the times. Like you're still here in 46 00:03:00,250 --> 00:03:03,490 S1: Melbourne with me, Tomo Kelly's in Sydney with Coda and 47 00:03:03,490 --> 00:03:07,120 S1: a in a cut and some sort of funny screensaver 48 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:07,990 S1: on a television. 49 00:03:08,980 --> 00:03:11,890 S5: It's a baby dale and baby sensory videos trying to 50 00:03:11,889 --> 00:03:15,910 S5: distract him and he'll still yell the entire time. He's fiery. 51 00:03:16,090 --> 00:03:19,780 S1: Jojo was bragging about being in sunny Silverlake, 29 degrees. 52 00:03:19,780 --> 00:03:20,680 S1: Not a cloud in the sky. 53 00:03:20,710 --> 00:03:21,460 S3: Gorgeous. 54 00:03:21,910 --> 00:03:25,000 S1: I'm going to get to what led to this big 55 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,950 S1: decision and kind of what's next for you guys. But 56 00:03:26,950 --> 00:03:28,960 S1: there's a lot I want to talk about before we 57 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,440 S1: get there. I think it's really hard to overstate the 58 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,620 S1: impact you guys have had on Australian music and not 59 00:03:35,620 --> 00:03:38,620 S1: just in a musical sense, but I also think culturally 60 00:03:38,620 --> 00:03:43,090 S1: and socially and politically, since you started releasing music together 61 00:03:43,180 --> 00:03:46,150 S1: and I want to go back to 2015, you guys 62 00:03:46,150 --> 00:03:49,450 S1: had all been in different bands. George You doing solo stuff? 63 00:03:49,450 --> 00:03:53,020 S1: I think at the time when you decided to form 64 00:03:53,020 --> 00:03:57,130 S1: Camp Cope and write and release songs together, can you 65 00:03:57,130 --> 00:03:59,770 S1: remember like were you hoping to achieve something where you're like, 66 00:03:59,770 --> 00:04:02,500 S1: We want to make one great record, We want to 67 00:04:02,980 --> 00:04:04,960 S1: do this for a long time. We are setting out 68 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,480 S1: to completely transform Australian music. Would you have any of 69 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:08,920 S1: those conversations? 70 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:09,730 S2: No. 71 00:04:10,090 --> 00:04:15,400 S3: Oh yeah, totally. Before we even started playing together, we're like, Right, 72 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,349 S3: all right. With our powers combined, we're going to change 73 00:04:17,350 --> 00:04:19,359 S3: the music industry, We're going to make three albums and 74 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:20,120 S3: one a. 75 00:04:21,460 --> 00:04:23,380 S1: Very specific set of goals. You hear We're going to. 76 00:04:23,380 --> 00:04:24,700 S3: Get in a lot of trouble. We're going to get 77 00:04:24,700 --> 00:04:26,409 S3: a couple of cease and desist letters. 78 00:04:26,410 --> 00:04:29,890 S2: You know what's funny, though? Because, no, we didn't. But 79 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:35,320 S2: it was funny because back in 2015, Georgia did say 80 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:39,130 S2: to me once before I think before we did any interviews, 81 00:04:39,130 --> 00:04:43,240 S2: obviously that came became a thing. But before we did 82 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,060 S2: any interviews whatsoever, George is like, I can't be the 83 00:04:46,060 --> 00:04:48,729 S2: one to talk. I'm going to Dixie Chicks Us. And then, 84 00:04:48,730 --> 00:04:52,030 S2: you know, a few years later with Dixie. No, I did. 85 00:04:53,620 --> 00:04:57,099 S2: But no, there was there was definitely no I'd quit 86 00:04:57,100 --> 00:05:00,010 S2: music already for seven years, so I was perfectly happy 87 00:05:00,010 --> 00:05:03,940 S2: in my beautiful life outside of playing music and then 88 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,339 S2: slowly got tricked back into it. How did you get tricked? 89 00:05:08,350 --> 00:05:09,940 S1: What was the what was the thing that convinced you 90 00:05:09,940 --> 00:05:10,630 S1: to jump back on? 91 00:05:10,630 --> 00:05:13,900 S2: Well, not well. I didn't even really agree to do it, 92 00:05:13,900 --> 00:05:17,590 S2: to be honest. I still haven't. But now Georgia was 93 00:05:17,589 --> 00:05:21,010 S2: playing solo, obviously, and was like, Do you know any drummers? 94 00:05:21,010 --> 00:05:23,229 S2: And I'm like, No, no. But if I hear of one, 95 00:05:23,230 --> 00:05:26,050 S2: like I'll let you know kind of thing. And she's like, Oh, well, 96 00:05:26,050 --> 00:05:28,479 S2: I just don't know anyone. Oh, no worries. Well, yep, 97 00:05:28,690 --> 00:05:31,510 S2: As I said, I'll keep my ears out. And then 98 00:05:31,510 --> 00:05:33,910 S2: one day Georgia came to my house and saw a 99 00:05:33,910 --> 00:05:35,200 S2: drum kit and was like, Whose is that? And I 100 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:39,910 S2: was like, God, fine, they're mine. Okay, I'll come over 101 00:05:39,910 --> 00:05:42,070 S2: on Saturday and I'll bring a guitar and we can 102 00:05:42,070 --> 00:05:44,200 S2: we can play the songs through. And I was like, 103 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,020 S2: God damn it! And next. Then next minute there was 104 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,110 S2: a show. Yeah. And here we are today. 105 00:05:50,710 --> 00:05:52,810 S3: Oh, and the story of how I met Kelly, we've 106 00:05:52,810 --> 00:05:55,210 S3: talked about a billion times. I don't think we need 107 00:05:55,210 --> 00:05:55,960 S3: to talk about it. 108 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:56,710 S1: I want to hear it. 109 00:05:56,710 --> 00:05:58,359 S3: I just kidding. I'm going to tell the story of 110 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,240 S3: how we met Kelly So I was getting a tattoo 111 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:05,020 S3: on my ankle by this fucking idiot. Am I allowed 112 00:06:05,020 --> 00:06:05,380 S3: to sweat? 113 00:06:05,380 --> 00:06:06,370 S1: You can Absolutely. 114 00:06:06,730 --> 00:06:13,580 S3: Okay. I'm in a really bad house in Footscray and 115 00:06:13,580 --> 00:06:15,620 S3: Kelly walks in. She's about to, like, hang out with 116 00:06:15,620 --> 00:06:18,050 S3: this dude in a platonic way, by the way. 117 00:06:18,770 --> 00:06:19,310 S1: Okay, good. 118 00:06:19,610 --> 00:06:22,789 S3: And she's like, talking. And there's some, like, people hanging 119 00:06:22,790 --> 00:06:27,860 S3: around and then, like, some something said something about Kelly 120 00:06:27,860 --> 00:06:29,060 S3: being in a band. And I was like, what do 121 00:06:29,060 --> 00:06:32,479 S3: you play? And she was like, bass. And then in 122 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,060 S3: my head I had this like, I was like, This 123 00:06:35,060 --> 00:06:37,580 S3: is the bass player of the band. This is who's 124 00:06:37,580 --> 00:06:40,670 S3: going to play bass? And then I was too scared 125 00:06:40,670 --> 00:06:44,239 S3: because I was too scared to ask her. So I 126 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:45,900 S3: had to ask our friend to ask her. 127 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,620 S5: I saw Georgia, so I was living. My first Melbourne 128 00:06:48,620 --> 00:06:50,810 S5: house was in Collingwood at this place called Like Rock 129 00:06:50,810 --> 00:06:53,180 S5: and Roll High School, the Milk Bar, which had been 130 00:06:53,180 --> 00:06:56,000 S5: a venue since like the 80s. And Georgia had come 131 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,190 S5: and played a show in our lounge room. And I 132 00:06:58,190 --> 00:07:00,620 S5: remember sitting there being like, Oh, she's done really good 133 00:07:00,620 --> 00:07:02,119 S5: with the band. And that was the first time I 134 00:07:02,390 --> 00:07:05,300 S5: ever heard Georgia say not. I had zero interest in 135 00:07:05,300 --> 00:07:08,510 S5: being in a band ever again. But, um, yeah, so 136 00:07:08,510 --> 00:07:11,750 S5: I saw her before she kind of started asking about 137 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,320 S5: what I played and things like that too. So I 138 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:19,160 S5: don't know. We were connecting and weird brainwaves, I think. 139 00:07:19,910 --> 00:07:21,560 S3: Even though remember that she said she played the bass. 140 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,560 S3: I was like, This is the bass player of the band. 141 00:07:24,790 --> 00:07:26,840 S1: Oh, what are you saying, Kelly? You heard Georgia play 142 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:28,730 S1: and you're like, She'd sound great with a band that's 143 00:07:28,730 --> 00:07:31,940 S1: kind of almost a neg. It's like you nearly there. 144 00:07:31,940 --> 00:07:33,710 S1: You just need some more noise around you. 145 00:07:33,750 --> 00:07:35,540 S5: When I saw her play, she was playing with the 146 00:07:35,610 --> 00:07:38,510 S5: electric guitar and she just had that presence. Like I 147 00:07:38,510 --> 00:07:40,550 S5: was like, This girl needs to be fronting a band. 148 00:07:40,550 --> 00:07:43,730 S5: She sounds. Her voice is so powerful. She's like the 149 00:07:43,730 --> 00:07:46,640 S5: electric guitar. Like it would sound so sick with the band. 150 00:07:46,970 --> 00:07:49,130 S2: And that first day in my lounge room when it 151 00:07:49,130 --> 00:07:51,770 S2: was just me and Georgia, obviously it was the first 152 00:07:51,770 --> 00:07:54,500 S2: time Georgia had played with drums before. And obviously I'm 153 00:07:54,500 --> 00:07:58,910 S2: quite loud and just your face. It's like start playing 154 00:07:58,910 --> 00:08:02,180 S2: along to whatever song it was, stove lighter or something, 155 00:08:02,450 --> 00:08:05,300 S2: and you're just like, Oh my God, perfect. Move on. 156 00:08:05,300 --> 00:08:07,580 S2: Next song I'm we haven't even finished. Like we haven't 157 00:08:07,580 --> 00:08:08,150 S2: even done. 158 00:08:08,150 --> 00:08:10,970 S3: Yeah, we got like 10s into each and I was like, Oh, 159 00:08:10,970 --> 00:08:12,739 S3: this is perfect. This is going to work. I just 160 00:08:12,740 --> 00:08:14,210 S3: know it Next. 161 00:08:15,190 --> 00:08:19,960 S1: I remember when your first record, that self-titled Camco was released. 162 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,170 S1: I was hosting a show on FBI radio in Sydney 163 00:08:23,170 --> 00:08:26,590 S1: and I remember getting it and it was playlists and 164 00:08:26,590 --> 00:08:28,090 S1: it was the first time I ever heard it was 165 00:08:28,270 --> 00:08:30,790 S1: like I wasn't cool enough to like see the record 166 00:08:30,790 --> 00:08:32,920 S1: and listen to like, Damn, we should play this. Some 167 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,440 S1: very smart music director had been like us. You're going 168 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,050 S1: to have to play songs from this record. So I'm like, okay, okay, 169 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,120 S1: I'll get familiar with it. And I remember looking at 170 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,179 S1: the tracklist and I'm like, Oh my God, these guys 171 00:08:43,179 --> 00:08:46,690 S1: have a song about Lost, and they have a song 172 00:08:46,690 --> 00:08:51,010 S1: called Jet Fuel Can't Melt Steel Beams. They're insane. What 173 00:08:51,010 --> 00:08:51,790 S1: is going on. 174 00:08:52,270 --> 00:08:54,940 S2: Then? You met us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they. 175 00:08:54,940 --> 00:08:55,240 S5: Are. 176 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,189 S1: Then I got to know you guys. I was like, 177 00:08:57,190 --> 00:08:57,910 S1: You are insane. 178 00:08:57,910 --> 00:09:01,240 S3: You figured it out before anyone. Everyone thought we were cool, 179 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,390 S3: but you knew us. You know, we were insane. 180 00:09:04,660 --> 00:09:07,330 S1: I did also think when I finally listened to it, 181 00:09:07,330 --> 00:09:09,850 S1: I was like, Damn, this is amazing. And it doesn't 182 00:09:09,850 --> 00:09:13,420 S1: sound like anything else in Australia right now. I mean, 183 00:09:13,420 --> 00:09:17,110 S1: can you guys remember the reaction to that first record 184 00:09:17,110 --> 00:09:21,489 S1: and why you think it sort of landed as massively 185 00:09:21,490 --> 00:09:22,240 S1: as it did? 186 00:09:22,750 --> 00:09:25,450 S2: It's weird because we just had the songs, right? We 187 00:09:25,450 --> 00:09:28,510 S2: had like we just had we just did enough songs 188 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,120 S2: that were like, okay, we've got eight songs. That's enough 189 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,930 S2: for an album, so let's just go quickly, record them all. 190 00:09:34,929 --> 00:09:38,260 S2: So we did that in like a day, so it's like. 191 00:09:38,380 --> 00:09:39,069 S1: Recorded the whole thing in a. 192 00:09:39,070 --> 00:09:41,770 S2: Day. Yeah, like live two days, two days, sorry, two days. 193 00:09:41,770 --> 00:09:45,610 S2: Including the mixing, of course. So just played it all live. 194 00:09:45,610 --> 00:09:47,770 S2: That was all the songs we had. So that's the album. 195 00:09:47,770 --> 00:09:49,329 S2: It's not like we were like, these ones are going 196 00:09:49,330 --> 00:09:51,339 S2: to be great. It was like and so I kind 197 00:09:51,340 --> 00:09:53,709 S2: of guess it was weird when we put sort of 198 00:09:53,980 --> 00:09:56,260 S2: gave the songs to Andy from Poison City and said, Oh, 199 00:09:56,260 --> 00:09:57,970 S2: I don't know, what do you think? And he's like. 200 00:09:58,910 --> 00:10:00,680 S2: Which one do you think should be the single kind 201 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,439 S2: of thing? And he said, lost him like, okay, whatever, 202 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:08,090 S2: you know? And then, yeah, people liked it and was like, Oh, okay, cool. 203 00:10:08,090 --> 00:10:08,960 S2: That's nice. 204 00:10:09,170 --> 00:10:10,820 S1: How did you feel about the reaction in Georgia? Were 205 00:10:10,820 --> 00:10:13,160 S1: you just writing these songs? You have lots of different 206 00:10:13,429 --> 00:10:17,480 S1: interesting takes about the world and television. Were you expecting 207 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,820 S1: people to connect with it the way that they did? 208 00:10:20,420 --> 00:10:25,100 S3: I'm not really. I feel like I live on a 209 00:10:25,100 --> 00:10:27,010 S3: different planet to everyone else. 210 00:10:27,020 --> 00:10:27,890 S1: I think we all feel that. 211 00:10:27,890 --> 00:10:31,430 S3: I feel like I feel like I. I find it 212 00:10:31,429 --> 00:10:36,800 S3: really hard to connect with people like and people really 213 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,550 S3: connected with the music. And that still kind of blows 214 00:10:40,550 --> 00:10:42,350 S3: my mind. And I wish I could feel like a 215 00:10:42,350 --> 00:10:45,170 S3: connection to people, but I don't. But it's nice that 216 00:10:45,170 --> 00:10:48,830 S3: people feel a connection through the music. But yeah, it 217 00:10:48,830 --> 00:10:51,710 S3: was like, of course it was unexpected. Imagine if I 218 00:10:51,710 --> 00:10:54,170 S3: was to be like, Oh yeah, I expected people to 219 00:10:54,170 --> 00:10:57,020 S3: react like really well to it and to really love it. 220 00:10:57,020 --> 00:10:57,710 S3: That's what I. 221 00:10:57,710 --> 00:10:58,400 S4: Expected. 222 00:10:59,210 --> 00:11:00,020 S3: Like, imagine. 223 00:11:00,020 --> 00:11:00,709 S1: Yeah, no, that's true. 224 00:11:00,860 --> 00:11:03,470 S3: It'd be honestly, you're a journalist. Start to set me 225 00:11:03,470 --> 00:11:05,480 S3: up for questions that you know I'm going to. 226 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,640 S1: I just hope out of anyone here, George, you might 227 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,350 S1: be someone who would say something like that, and that 228 00:11:09,350 --> 00:11:10,969 S1: would be very funny. And then we could make fun 229 00:11:10,970 --> 00:11:11,390 S1: of you. 230 00:11:11,390 --> 00:11:14,120 S2: Well, we were on tour, like when we were always 231 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,160 S2: on tour. We sort of started and then we just 232 00:11:16,429 --> 00:11:20,690 S2: played shows for like seven straight or basically until Covid. 233 00:11:20,690 --> 00:11:23,750 S2: We were on tour with Jeff Rosenstock when the singles 234 00:11:23,750 --> 00:11:26,960 S2: came out and when the album Preorders went up and stuff. 235 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,270 S2: So we were kind of just with them being like, 236 00:11:29,330 --> 00:11:32,390 S2: I don't know. And they were like, we sort of 237 00:11:32,390 --> 00:11:34,460 S2: sent gave them the link to the album before it 238 00:11:34,460 --> 00:11:35,870 S2: came out, and they're like, This is a great album. 239 00:11:35,870 --> 00:11:38,180 S2: We're like, Oh, okay. I don't know. This is play 240 00:11:38,179 --> 00:11:40,939 S2: a show. So it was quite nice. 241 00:11:41,270 --> 00:11:43,370 S3: I listen to it now and I'm like. 242 00:11:43,790 --> 00:11:46,100 S4: This sucks a little bit. 243 00:11:46,370 --> 00:11:51,319 S3: I mean, it doesn't suck, but. It's just like. Like, 244 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,140 S3: what was I doing? Why was I. Why was I 245 00:11:54,170 --> 00:11:55,700 S3: sounding so Australian? 246 00:11:55,700 --> 00:11:56,840 S1: You were sending very Australian. 247 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,809 S3: Yeah, I know. I was just like. I wasn't like singing. 248 00:11:59,809 --> 00:12:00,980 S3: I was just like yelling. 249 00:12:00,980 --> 00:12:02,390 S2: Georgia, you're from Australia. 250 00:12:03,470 --> 00:12:05,540 S3: I know, I know. 251 00:12:05,570 --> 00:12:07,550 S1: I mean, I go back and I read things I 252 00:12:07,550 --> 00:12:09,410 S1: wrote a week ago and I hate them, but I 253 00:12:09,410 --> 00:12:12,079 S1: was listening to that first record a lot this week, 254 00:12:12,170 --> 00:12:15,349 S1: building up to this interview. And without, you know, without me, 255 00:12:15,590 --> 00:12:17,480 S1: you know, that I'm not just trying to, like, suck 256 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:18,860 S1: up to you guys for the sake of it. If anything, 257 00:12:18,860 --> 00:12:20,750 S1: I'd want to do the opposite because of all the 258 00:12:20,750 --> 00:12:23,900 S1: shit you give me. But what was amazing was how 259 00:12:23,900 --> 00:12:27,140 S1: much Thatrillionecord still stood out, right? Even though it is 260 00:12:27,230 --> 00:12:30,620 S1: eight years old, it still feels exciting and fresh. And 261 00:12:30,620 --> 00:12:34,400 S1: there is this sense of something really new and boundary 262 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,770 S1: pushing that I know that maybe you, Georgia, you feel 263 00:12:36,770 --> 00:12:39,290 S1: like you've progressed and developed as an artist and you 264 00:12:39,290 --> 00:12:41,929 S1: sing differently and you sing about different things. But I 265 00:12:41,929 --> 00:12:45,470 S1: think it is really interesting how that record still feels 266 00:12:45,470 --> 00:12:47,479 S1: like it could have come out last week. In a 267 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:48,110 S1: lot of ways. 268 00:12:48,130 --> 00:12:50,329 S2: It's like, you know, it's a good song, It's a 269 00:12:50,330 --> 00:12:52,910 S2: good song. It doesn't matter how it's recorded or how 270 00:12:52,910 --> 00:12:57,500 S2: it's like whether it's just recorded on a phone, you know, or, 271 00:12:57,500 --> 00:13:01,670 S2: you know, spend $20,000 in a studio. It's like, I 272 00:13:01,670 --> 00:13:04,880 S2: think people liked the songs for what they were, and 273 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,480 S2: they're like, you know, there was no bullshit. It was like, 274 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,880 S2: This is just what it is, and here it is. 275 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,880 S2: And it wasn't trying to be anything else, you know? 276 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:19,130 S2: And I think people can see through fake sort of stuff. 277 00:13:19,130 --> 00:13:22,130 S2: And it was just like Georgia wrote the songs when 278 00:13:22,130 --> 00:13:25,970 S2: she was, what, 1920. So it's like, you know, it's 279 00:13:25,970 --> 00:13:29,240 S2: like this is just what it is and people get that. 280 00:13:30,230 --> 00:13:33,740 S1: Kelly You said before that you decided that you didn't 281 00:13:33,740 --> 00:13:36,440 S1: really want to be in another band, and then this 282 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,740 S1: record blows up and you're touring pretty much nonstop for 283 00:13:39,740 --> 00:13:42,560 S1: nearly a decade, and you were pretty young as well 284 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,870 S1: in your early 20s. What was that like? 285 00:13:45,110 --> 00:13:48,199 S5: I feel very fortunate for getting the opportunity to travel 286 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,510 S5: to the places that we did and meet the people 287 00:13:50,510 --> 00:13:55,280 S5: that we did, but I really struggled with touring and performing. 288 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,020 S5: I had a lot of anxiety and when really when 289 00:13:58,070 --> 00:14:00,990 S5: world touring and when we're even in the studio, like 290 00:14:01,010 --> 00:14:04,280 S5: I did struggle, I don't think I was ever built 291 00:14:04,820 --> 00:14:07,880 S5: for that sort of life. There was aspects that I really, 292 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,540 S5: really enjoyed. And I when we first went to the States, 293 00:14:11,540 --> 00:14:14,209 S5: I didn't even own a passport because I didn't I 294 00:14:14,210 --> 00:14:17,600 S5: never anticipated that I would ever go overseas, you know, 295 00:14:17,870 --> 00:14:22,640 S5: And it was a lot of kind of getting used 296 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,870 S5: to that lifestyle and then learning along the way kind 297 00:14:26,870 --> 00:14:31,160 S5: of what people expected it to look like or what 298 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,950 S5: people told you it should look like. And then following 299 00:14:33,950 --> 00:14:36,110 S5: your kind of group with not just with you. 300 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,100 S3: But I feel like Camp Cap's always kind of done 301 00:14:40,100 --> 00:14:43,520 S3: what people hadn't expected us to do. Like, you know, 302 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,710 S3: we made our first album and then the second album 303 00:14:45,710 --> 00:14:49,520 S3: there was even less production. There was no harmonies. It 304 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:55,010 S3: was like even Filthier. And now by breaking up, it's 305 00:14:55,010 --> 00:14:57,350 S3: like we're still doing things that people kind of wouldn't 306 00:14:57,350 --> 00:15:00,080 S3: expect us to do. And I think that's very cool. 307 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,200 S1: A big part of the narrative of the band. We're 308 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,750 S1: talking about this earlier and I am, you know, slightly 309 00:15:15,750 --> 00:15:19,380 S1: loath to have to go here. Georgia, before you said, Oh, great, 310 00:15:19,380 --> 00:15:22,080 S1: we're going to talk heaps about Falls Festival and, you know, 311 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,240 S1: being women in music. But I want to ask you 312 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,870 S1: more about the reaction to that kind of moment, because 313 00:15:27,870 --> 00:15:32,010 S1: you guys took these stances that were, at the time, 314 00:15:32,070 --> 00:15:35,280 S1: probably like ten years too late compared to the rest 315 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,830 S1: of all at the time were pretty radical in terms 316 00:15:37,830 --> 00:15:40,890 S1: of actually saying, hey, women should be on more lineups 317 00:15:40,890 --> 00:15:43,500 S1: and hey, women should feel safe when they go to 318 00:15:43,500 --> 00:15:47,280 S1: music festivals. And in some ways for a period that 319 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:52,200 S1: discourse and those stances became what you were more known for, 320 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,080 S1: for a lot of people than than your actual music, 321 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:59,790 S1: where you were all frustrated that that burden fell entirely 322 00:15:59,790 --> 00:16:03,930 S1: on women artists, non-binary artists, and kind of basically you 323 00:16:03,930 --> 00:16:05,040 S1: guys in that era. 324 00:16:05,340 --> 00:16:08,850 S2: Well, still to this day, like people will send through, 325 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:13,680 S2: you know, interview requests to like our publicist or something saying, 326 00:16:13,830 --> 00:16:18,470 S2: you know, someone's done something, a man has done something bad, 327 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,700 S2: can you give your take? And I'm like, literally go 328 00:16:20,700 --> 00:16:23,490 S2: and ask a man. We've said that for so many years. 329 00:16:23,490 --> 00:16:26,730 S2: And you won't you simply will not ask them. You 330 00:16:26,730 --> 00:16:30,510 S2: know what our take is? Google it. It was definitely 331 00:16:30,510 --> 00:16:33,450 S2: a common sense. It wasn't a planned like, Hey, we're 332 00:16:33,450 --> 00:16:35,340 S2: going to do this thing. It was like I remember 333 00:16:35,340 --> 00:16:40,170 S2: somebody asking me quite soon after falls, like, what made 334 00:16:40,170 --> 00:16:42,090 S2: you do this? And I was like, What? Do what 335 00:16:42,090 --> 00:16:44,490 S2: I was like, Can you can you count? And they're like, Yeah. 336 00:16:44,490 --> 00:16:47,310 S2: And I was like, Well, the post is there for 337 00:16:47,310 --> 00:16:51,330 S2: everyone to see. I could count how many men are 338 00:16:51,330 --> 00:16:53,970 S2: on there. Like it wasn't hidden. It's like this is 339 00:16:53,970 --> 00:16:56,730 S2: public knowledge. You just didn't look at it. And we 340 00:16:56,730 --> 00:16:58,530 S2: counted it and said it out loud. And now you're 341 00:16:58,530 --> 00:17:00,750 S2: all yelling at us like, Yell at Foles. I don't know. 342 00:17:01,380 --> 00:17:03,960 S3: What we got sent the line up. When we accepted 343 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,050 S3: the Falls offer, we wrote back to them and we 344 00:17:07,050 --> 00:17:11,550 S3: were like, Where? Where are all the women? And then 345 00:17:11,550 --> 00:17:14,370 S3: they came back at us and well, like and like 346 00:17:14,369 --> 00:17:17,010 S3: we didn't sign it. Fucking NDA. I can talk about this. 347 00:17:17,010 --> 00:17:19,020 S3: They were like, Oh, well if you know any bands 348 00:17:19,020 --> 00:17:21,360 S3: and blah blah blah. And then we sent them bands 349 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,540 S3: and they like put them on as like special little 350 00:17:25,380 --> 00:17:28,409 S3: guests in every like state or whatever. But it's like 351 00:17:28,410 --> 00:17:29,730 S3: that's still the work that we had to do. We 352 00:17:29,730 --> 00:17:30,870 S3: didn't get paid for that. 353 00:17:31,230 --> 00:17:34,200 S1: Like, Yeah, you're doing extra work as like a curator. 354 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,990 S3: The jobs that they should have done. And then one 355 00:17:36,990 --> 00:17:41,189 S3: of them going on about the diversity bandwagon, a big sound, 356 00:17:41,190 --> 00:17:45,780 S3: like acting like that's like a bad thing. Like it's 357 00:17:45,780 --> 00:17:48,810 S3: still like it's still bothers me that, like, we had 358 00:17:48,810 --> 00:17:51,899 S3: to we had to be the ones to say that again. 359 00:17:51,900 --> 00:17:55,590 S3: It's like women's work, though. We don't get paid for. 360 00:17:56,010 --> 00:18:00,090 S3: And we got heaps of backlash, even though we were 361 00:18:00,090 --> 00:18:03,810 S3: literally just like, Hey, there's nine women, but we make 362 00:18:03,810 --> 00:18:06,240 S3: up three of. So there was six other women aside 363 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,720 S3: from us on the line up and we just put 364 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:14,070 S3: that information out there. We just said it and people 365 00:18:14,070 --> 00:18:15,840 S3: did with that what they wanted to do. 366 00:18:16,869 --> 00:18:20,590 S5: I think we came from like a music community where 367 00:18:20,590 --> 00:18:25,060 S5: there was heaps of diversity. So like, you know, I 368 00:18:25,060 --> 00:18:27,280 S5: was going to shows and I lived upstairs at Black 369 00:18:27,310 --> 00:18:30,100 S5: Wire and there was there was a bunch of women 370 00:18:30,100 --> 00:18:33,810 S5: and people of color and non-binary and trans people making music. 371 00:18:33,820 --> 00:18:36,520 S5: And then same I think in the local Melbourne scene 372 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,740 S5: as well, there was more diversity than that was being 373 00:18:38,740 --> 00:18:42,280 S5: shot at, like the big commercial festivals and radio stations. 374 00:18:42,290 --> 00:18:44,830 S5: So it was a bit jarring to know that these 375 00:18:44,830 --> 00:18:47,830 S5: bands existed and really good quality bands of people that 376 00:18:47,830 --> 00:18:51,100 S5: aren't just the same type of person existed. And then 377 00:18:51,100 --> 00:18:54,729 S5: trying to explain to that and then being told that 378 00:18:54,730 --> 00:18:55,300 S5: you're wrong. 379 00:18:55,930 --> 00:18:59,109 S3: I kind of came out playing in a scene with 380 00:18:59,109 --> 00:19:03,100 S3: lots of bands with like Four White Men, right? And 381 00:19:03,100 --> 00:19:06,670 S3: I came in and I started playing. And at first 382 00:19:06,670 --> 00:19:08,350 S3: they all loved me because they could add a girl 383 00:19:08,350 --> 00:19:11,109 S3: to the lineup as like the acoustic opener. And then 384 00:19:11,109 --> 00:19:13,510 S3: I started talking about it, and then I became the 385 00:19:13,510 --> 00:19:19,030 S3: enemy to that scene. Stilt like to this day, and 386 00:19:19,030 --> 00:19:23,020 S3: I started, like, calling things out, like being like, Hey, man, 387 00:19:23,020 --> 00:19:25,210 S3: in your 30s maybe it's kind of weird that you're 388 00:19:25,210 --> 00:19:30,940 S3: singing about a girl who's 16. Like, it's inappropriate. And 389 00:19:30,940 --> 00:19:34,120 S3: it's really problematic and questionable. And yet no one else 390 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,210 S3: said anything. And like I put like, you know, we 391 00:19:37,210 --> 00:19:41,980 S3: put our necks out for it and yeah, I still 392 00:19:41,980 --> 00:19:43,240 S3: get a bit worked up about it. 393 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,119 S2: I think the upsetting thing as well as I think 394 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:50,350 S2: we got branded as these angry people and like people like, 395 00:19:50,350 --> 00:19:54,430 S2: you know, we'd do interviews and stuff and the journalists 396 00:19:54,430 --> 00:19:57,159 S2: would always be like, Are you guys are just idiots? 397 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,450 S2: Or like, Yeah, like we're not angry. Like, the thing 398 00:20:01,450 --> 00:20:03,820 S2: with the like, we've never really spoken about the false 399 00:20:03,820 --> 00:20:06,399 S2: thing because it's like it doesn't need attention brought to it. 400 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,760 S2: They don't need any attention brought to them. But it's like, 401 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,090 S2: you know, all the emails I sent them were very nice. 402 00:20:13,090 --> 00:20:15,370 S2: Like I could print them out and show anybody if 403 00:20:15,369 --> 00:20:18,790 S2: anyone ever wanted them. I would never though, because who cares? 404 00:20:18,790 --> 00:20:22,720 S2: But it's like then it was like your reaction was 405 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,330 S2: so bad that it made us look bad. I never 406 00:20:25,330 --> 00:20:28,090 S2: yelled at you. I was quite nice. I was. But 407 00:20:28,300 --> 00:20:30,520 S2: I think that was the more upsetting thing that we 408 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:35,350 S2: got tarnished as these bad people when, you know, they 409 00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:39,610 S2: were just reacting in a. Bad way to something that 410 00:20:39,609 --> 00:20:40,420 S2: they'd done. 411 00:20:40,930 --> 00:20:43,420 S3: Being in camp in the earliest stages. Like I feel 412 00:20:43,420 --> 00:20:45,580 S3: like some of that, like some of that, like angry 413 00:20:45,580 --> 00:20:48,220 S3: stuff was true because I was like, I was angry 414 00:20:48,220 --> 00:20:52,600 S3: because it's like I'm like a fiery Greek woman and 415 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,659 S3: out like, dinner's just people yelling at each other, you know? 416 00:20:55,900 --> 00:20:58,660 S3: And so I get, like, fired up about things. But 417 00:20:58,660 --> 00:21:02,920 S3: it was like being like, Hey, the sky is blue. Look. Oh, 418 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,669 S3: my God, the sky is blue. And people not believing you. 419 00:21:07,210 --> 00:21:11,800 S3: It's like there's so much frustration in not being believed 420 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:17,020 S3: that I like anger was like my immediate reaction. 421 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,970 S1: There's such an inherent defensiveness to pointing out a problem exists, 422 00:21:21,970 --> 00:21:25,690 S1: let alone actually suggesting how to rectify it. I feel 423 00:21:25,690 --> 00:21:28,780 S1: like Australia is. I want to ask you guys this 424 00:21:28,780 --> 00:21:31,899 S1: because you've got so much experience touring around the world. 425 00:21:31,900 --> 00:21:35,919 S1: From my perspective, it's always felt like Australia is uniquely 426 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:43,540 S1: bad at acknowledging the existence of issues around like structural sexism, misogyny, racism. 427 00:21:43,540 --> 00:21:46,150 S1: Azealia Banks, you know, famously in the last few months 428 00:21:46,150 --> 00:21:49,900 S1: has been extremely vocal about saying what is wrong and 429 00:21:49,900 --> 00:21:54,340 S1: toxic about the Australian industry, not just from the level 430 00:21:54,340 --> 00:21:57,280 S1: of like labels and promoters, but audiences, she says. A 431 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,399 S1: really bad you guys have toured all over the world. 432 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,050 S1: Like how do you think Australians kind of compare Australia compares? 433 00:22:04,060 --> 00:22:06,280 S2: I mean, think about how many tours we've done in 434 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:10,270 S2: Australia in the last six years. We do one like 435 00:22:10,270 --> 00:22:14,620 S2: we probably do five shows. On every album tour, and 436 00:22:14,619 --> 00:22:18,070 S2: I think that speaks for itself, really. I mean, if 437 00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:22,120 S2: you've got a country that can't acknowledge, you know, its history, 438 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,379 S2: you know, indigenous history, everything like that, it's like, how 439 00:22:25,390 --> 00:22:28,060 S2: is it going to. Of course, if it can't deal 440 00:22:28,060 --> 00:22:32,720 S2: with that, it can't deal with. Something as stupid as music, obviously. 441 00:22:33,619 --> 00:22:40,310 S3: Australia absolutely has a long, long way to go. And yeah, 442 00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:45,949 S3: it's a lot to do with toxic masculinity. So I 443 00:22:45,950 --> 00:22:48,410 S3: feel like it's a term that's mainly just, you know, 444 00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:53,750 S3: boys love being like toxic masculinity and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But, like, 445 00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:57,409 S3: it's a real thing. And men need to men, they 446 00:22:57,410 --> 00:23:00,719 S3: just need to do something about it. Go to therapy. 447 00:23:00,740 --> 00:23:02,540 S2: The thing is, it's like if you go back to 448 00:23:02,540 --> 00:23:06,710 S2: the start of music in Australia, popular music in Australia, 449 00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:10,879 S2: like I can't think of a single person like, you know, 450 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,500 S2: who's not a man, a white man who's stayed like anyone, 451 00:23:15,500 --> 00:23:19,370 S2: you know, huge like Kylie Minogue gone, Tina Arena gone. 452 00:23:19,369 --> 00:23:22,730 S2: Like I think it's like from the beginning. Like it's 453 00:23:22,730 --> 00:23:27,920 S2: like you're gone. Like, you know, people like Courtney and Julia. Angie, 454 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,520 S2: they all play overseas. Like, it's like it's an unspoken thing. 455 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,090 S2: But if, like, it's not like anyone stands up and goes, 456 00:23:35,100 --> 00:23:38,180 S2: I'm not playing here. It's kind of everyone just leaves 457 00:23:38,180 --> 00:23:40,610 S2: because it's like, look, it's just easier to leave than 458 00:23:40,609 --> 00:23:45,110 S2: be here. Even we've had men friends in Canada and 459 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,869 S2: the US, like who are four white men in a 460 00:23:47,869 --> 00:23:53,060 S2: band who play to large audiences of men. And I 461 00:23:53,060 --> 00:23:54,739 S2: don't know if you guys remember this when we were 462 00:23:54,740 --> 00:23:57,590 S2: staying with them one time in Canada and they're like, 463 00:23:58,100 --> 00:24:01,939 S2: What is with Australia? I was like, What do you mean? Like, 464 00:24:01,940 --> 00:24:05,300 S2: obviously there's problems, obviously, but what do you mean in 465 00:24:05,300 --> 00:24:07,130 S2: this instance? Like. 466 00:24:07,700 --> 00:24:08,630 S4: The crowds. 467 00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:12,380 S2: Are insane. Like, it's horrible. What is wrong with them? 468 00:24:12,380 --> 00:24:15,350 S2: I'm like, worse than your crowds because your crowds are 469 00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:17,840 S2: pretty bad and they're like, so much worse. It's like 470 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,050 S2: so you can see it. So obviously we can see. 471 00:24:21,100 --> 00:24:23,900 S1: It's so interesting to hear because I feel like I 472 00:24:23,900 --> 00:24:26,540 S1: kind of grew up in the hip hop scene and 473 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,020 S1: it's a very similar story. You hear from international acts 474 00:24:30,020 --> 00:24:33,139 S1: when they come to Australia. They say there's it's so weird, 475 00:24:33,140 --> 00:24:36,200 S1: like the energy from these crowds as it toxicity. There's 476 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,170 S1: a violence of masculinity there. And I don't know how 477 00:24:39,170 --> 00:24:42,439 S1: many Australians know that. They just think that this is 478 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,050 S1: what's normal and they don't know that. Even America, which 479 00:24:45,050 --> 00:24:49,430 S1: obviously has so many of its own issues actually bands 480 00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:52,280 S1: like playing that more than they like playing in Australia. 481 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:53,419 S2: Yeah, yeah. 482 00:24:53,900 --> 00:24:55,250 S1: The kind of the last thing I want to ask 483 00:24:55,250 --> 00:24:58,639 S1: you guys about this kind of broad topic when you 484 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,820 S1: think about the Australian music landscape now, I mean, this 485 00:25:01,820 --> 00:25:04,730 S1: is maybe a kind of a tricky question because I 486 00:25:04,730 --> 00:25:08,780 S1: don't want to undermine the activism that so many people 487 00:25:08,780 --> 00:25:11,449 S1: like you in the music industry did, but like, how 488 00:25:11,450 --> 00:25:13,910 S1: much do you think it's actually changed the Australian music 489 00:25:13,910 --> 00:25:16,520 S1: landscape in the last eight years? We were talking just 490 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,669 S1: before this interview about how, you know, Jenny, who who 491 00:25:19,670 --> 00:25:21,439 S1: plays with you on tour, she's been pointing out on 492 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,490 S1: Instagram line ups have gone back to being 90%. I 493 00:25:25,490 --> 00:25:27,590 S1: can't remember. It was Georgia. You made a gag about 494 00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:29,420 S1: old camp cops gone. Now it's time to just roll 495 00:25:29,420 --> 00:25:32,390 S1: out the old male lineups again. Do you think we've 496 00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:36,260 S1: progressed at all or are things at risk of getting 497 00:25:36,260 --> 00:25:37,010 S1: pretty grim? 498 00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:40,850 S3: I feel like it was like maybe like two step forwards, 499 00:25:40,850 --> 00:25:43,730 S3: one step back or like one step forward, two steps back. 500 00:25:43,730 --> 00:25:48,380 S3: And I think that I don't know, maybe it is 501 00:25:48,380 --> 00:25:52,850 S3: just a coincidence that we decided to call it a 502 00:25:52,850 --> 00:25:56,389 S3: day and now line up so regressing. 503 00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:58,130 S1: One thing I will say, though, is you guys have 504 00:25:58,130 --> 00:26:01,280 S1: outlasted false festival like your your last gig will be 505 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,820 S1: in October and falls is not playing this year. And 506 00:26:04,820 --> 00:26:06,979 S1: from what I hear, it might not ever come back. 507 00:26:06,980 --> 00:26:08,359 S1: So I don't know if that's a good thing or 508 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:09,650 S1: a bad thing. But you lasted longer. 509 00:26:09,650 --> 00:26:10,430 S2: Upsetting to. 510 00:26:10,430 --> 00:26:10,850 S4: Me. 511 00:26:13,070 --> 00:26:15,980 S2: I don't know. It's yeah, I think what Georgia said 512 00:26:15,980 --> 00:26:18,860 S2: is true. It's like, you know, when it's like everything 513 00:26:18,859 --> 00:26:21,800 S2: in the world, not just this. It's like anything. Any 514 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,929 S2: small change it happens is going to be pushed back 515 00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:26,300 S2: and it goes back backwards a bit and then forwards 516 00:26:26,300 --> 00:26:31,280 S2: a bit. I wouldn't say that it's worse. Some some 517 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,920 S2: aspects of it are definitely better, but there's definitely people 518 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,129 S2: that are actively don't like it. So I guess it 519 00:26:37,130 --> 00:26:37,970 S2: goes both ways. 520 00:26:37,970 --> 00:26:39,679 S1: Oh, we haven't made maybe as much progress as we 521 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:40,390 S1: probably should have. 522 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,100 S2: No, I feel like we've made a tiny bit, but it's, 523 00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:48,320 S2: you know, people are more aware of it. Maybe, definitely. 524 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,530 S2: Since like, you know, when when I think I've said 525 00:26:51,530 --> 00:26:55,340 S2: this before, when we started how I'd quit music for 526 00:26:55,460 --> 00:26:59,180 S2: however long, when I came back, it was like when 527 00:26:59,180 --> 00:27:01,219 S2: we first started, I was like, This is literally the 528 00:27:01,220 --> 00:27:04,040 S2: same as when I left. So nothing had changed in 529 00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:07,070 S2: that period of time. So I feel like the difference 530 00:27:07,070 --> 00:27:10,580 S2: between then and now is a small bit of changes happen. 531 00:27:10,580 --> 00:27:12,410 S2: Not enough, but a little bit. 532 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,040 S5: I feel like things were kind of moving forward before 533 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,040 S5: Covid and then people can really show their true colors 534 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,520 S5: when money's involved. So as money fans started to get 535 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:27,230 S5: less and less available, that's when people kind of put 536 00:27:27,230 --> 00:27:30,710 S5: the progress on the backburner and just focused on making 537 00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:32,570 S5: money again, because I don't think a lot. 538 00:27:32,570 --> 00:27:35,150 S1: Of people talked to kind of diversity in lineups was 539 00:27:35,150 --> 00:27:38,720 S1: seen as an extra. A luxury. Yeah. And when we 540 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,149 S1: don't have time for luxuries, let's just go back to 541 00:27:41,150 --> 00:27:42,170 S1: the bread and butter. 542 00:27:42,170 --> 00:27:44,120 S2: And it was used as a it was used as 543 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:45,739 S2: a weapon, too. It was like, well, I don't know. 544 00:27:45,740 --> 00:27:47,900 S2: We haven't worked for two years, so we can't have 545 00:27:47,900 --> 00:27:50,210 S2: a diverse lineup. It's like, well, you kind of can. 546 00:27:50,210 --> 00:27:52,879 S1: But it also seems bizarre to me that conversation because 547 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,730 S1: looking at what Australia looks like now in terms of 548 00:27:55,730 --> 00:28:00,050 S1: diversity across so many different facets, you if you are 549 00:28:00,050 --> 00:28:03,050 S1: a venue or a promoter or a festival that just 550 00:28:03,050 --> 00:28:06,440 S1: wants to play for white dudes with guitars, you will 551 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,379 S1: go bankrupt because that is not what people want to 552 00:28:09,380 --> 00:28:10,130 S1: see anymore. 553 00:28:10,130 --> 00:28:10,910 S2: Yeah, it's. 554 00:28:10,910 --> 00:28:11,540 S3: Boring. 555 00:28:11,540 --> 00:28:12,710 S2: Yeah, it is very boring. 556 00:28:13,340 --> 00:28:16,820 S1: Your guys last album, Running With the Hurricane, it came 557 00:28:16,820 --> 00:28:19,790 S1: in in March last year. I never asked you this 558 00:28:19,790 --> 00:28:21,679 S1: at the time, but. But did you know when you 559 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,530 S1: were recording and releasing that, that it would be the 560 00:28:24,530 --> 00:28:25,220 S1: last one? 561 00:28:26,060 --> 00:28:26,580 S6: No. 562 00:28:27,090 --> 00:28:32,149 S2: I don't think we've ever really planned that far ahead. What? 563 00:28:32,450 --> 00:28:35,930 S2: I think people think that we're smarter than we are. 564 00:28:35,930 --> 00:28:38,390 S2: We just know. It's like, I don't know. I haven't 565 00:28:38,390 --> 00:28:41,150 S2: planned what I'm doing next week, let alone the next album. 566 00:28:41,150 --> 00:28:43,070 S2: Once you're in the studio, it's like, I don't want 567 00:28:43,070 --> 00:28:45,830 S2: to do this for ages, but it's you don't go anyway. 568 00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:46,400 S2: The End. 569 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,160 S3: But I knew that after running with the hurricane that 570 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,370 S3: I wanted to have a break and I wanted to 571 00:28:52,370 --> 00:28:54,320 S3: like do the solo thing for a bit. 572 00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:57,530 S1: So talk me through that decision. I feel like when 573 00:28:57,530 --> 00:29:00,170 S1: bands break up, people always want to think that there's 574 00:29:00,170 --> 00:29:03,260 S1: some sort of like, Oh, you know, talking about having 575 00:29:03,260 --> 00:29:05,060 S1: a tour and we all really hated each other and 576 00:29:05,420 --> 00:29:08,660 S1: blah blah blah. The sense I get is more you 577 00:29:08,660 --> 00:29:12,110 S1: guys had put out three records, you're really happy with 578 00:29:12,110 --> 00:29:15,080 S1: them all. Your toured so many times. People were in 579 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,690 S1: different phases of life than when you started and you 580 00:29:17,690 --> 00:29:20,570 S1: just wanted to pursue different things for a while. Was 581 00:29:20,570 --> 00:29:23,540 S1: there one of you who was the first one to 582 00:29:23,540 --> 00:29:26,090 S1: sort of bring it up and say, Hey guys, what 583 00:29:26,090 --> 00:29:26,960 S1: if we didn't? 584 00:29:27,290 --> 00:29:28,459 S4: Kelly's putting her hand up. 585 00:29:29,690 --> 00:29:31,730 S1: Tell us about that conversation, Kelly. 586 00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:37,600 S5: I feel like I'm often the most direct. Um, and 587 00:29:37,930 --> 00:29:42,430 S5: I can't I'm often kind of like not the mediator, 588 00:29:42,430 --> 00:29:47,190 S5: but it's, you know, just different personalities and Georgia and Tomo. 589 00:29:47,260 --> 00:29:50,380 S5: And we often try and bring to pick out a 590 00:29:50,380 --> 00:29:53,170 S5: lot of things very delicate. 591 00:29:53,170 --> 00:29:53,830 S4: Like if anyone. 592 00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:56,080 S5: Knew all three of us, you'd know that. 593 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,530 S2: The two fiery ones and the and the one he 594 00:29:58,540 --> 00:29:59,890 S2: tries to on fire. 595 00:30:00,730 --> 00:30:04,240 S5: And I could see that we're all getting all these 596 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,490 S5: different directions. And I just feel like, hey, I think 597 00:30:06,490 --> 00:30:08,830 S5: my direction is pulling me away from the band. 598 00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:11,080 S1: And did it feel natural? Like when Kelly said that, 599 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,820 S1: it was like, okay, that actually does make sense. We 600 00:30:12,820 --> 00:30:13,840 S1: just needed someone to say it. 601 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:14,380 S4: Yeah, yeah. 602 00:30:14,380 --> 00:30:17,920 S2: Everyone is like, Yeah, cool. I agree. I think as well, 603 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,740 S2: like a lot of people have asked about, you know. 604 00:30:21,690 --> 00:30:23,610 S2: It's like, Oh, you're going to miss Turing, you're going 605 00:30:23,610 --> 00:30:25,740 S2: to miss this. It's like, I don't know. I personally 606 00:30:25,740 --> 00:30:28,170 S2: I can't speak for everyone, but it's like I grieved 607 00:30:28,170 --> 00:30:32,190 S2: the loss of live music in 2020, like it's gone 608 00:30:32,190 --> 00:30:35,490 S2: and it's never, ever going to be the same. Like touring, 609 00:30:35,490 --> 00:30:38,520 S2: you know, here last year and touring in the States 610 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,590 S2: last year. It's like, this is a different world. This 611 00:30:40,590 --> 00:30:42,900 S2: is not the same. It's like we're never going to 612 00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:45,720 S2: go back to what it was. Crowds are different. It's 613 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,630 S2: like it's not safe. It's like, you know, the money, 614 00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:52,620 S2: it's the expenses are insane. Like, it's like it's not 615 00:30:52,620 --> 00:30:56,010 S2: it's not the same. So it's like I'm happy to 616 00:30:56,010 --> 00:30:59,520 S2: remember touring as it was and happy that we got 617 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,000 S2: to do what we did because it's certainly not going 618 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,830 S2: to go back to that. I don't think, at least 619 00:31:04,830 --> 00:31:06,660 S2: for a really long time, if ever. 620 00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:09,840 S3: Yeah, I'm very grateful for all the tours that we did. 621 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,000 S3: We had so much fun. 622 00:31:12,420 --> 00:31:15,300 S2: Yeah, we got to do way more than we ever thought, 623 00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:15,990 S2: I think. 624 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,950 S3: But I think. I think that we needed to break 625 00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:26,260 S3: up because, yeah, we're all different people who want different things. 626 00:31:26,740 --> 00:31:31,240 S3: Like all our goals are completely different now than they 627 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,600 S3: were eight years ago, and like, we love each other 628 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:40,840 S3: enough to respect that in each other and to want, 629 00:31:40,930 --> 00:31:45,700 S3: you know, like, I want the best for Kelly and Tomoe. Absolutely. 630 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,890 S3: And yeah, being in the band wasn't conducive to that. 631 00:31:52,970 --> 00:31:54,740 S1: It's bad that I'm going to cry hearing that. 632 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:55,670 S7: Really? 633 00:31:55,670 --> 00:31:58,940 S1: It's very sweet. Yeah. Yeah. I just think it's very, 634 00:31:59,210 --> 00:32:04,130 S1: very nice to hear that in any kind of context 635 00:32:04,130 --> 00:32:07,610 S1: about a long term relationship where you're making decisions that 636 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,470 S1: are about respecting each other's, you know, thoughts, feelings, futures, 637 00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:15,590 S1: ideas and giving each other space. 638 00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:16,070 S4: And going. 639 00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:17,780 S2: Out when you want to go out. You know, it's 640 00:32:17,780 --> 00:32:20,480 S2: not like we're not being forced to. It's kind of like, well, 641 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,660 S2: we've made the decision and it's time. All things must 642 00:32:23,660 --> 00:32:25,070 S2: come to an end at some point. 643 00:32:25,070 --> 00:32:29,570 S3: Yeah, because like, my parents split up when I was 644 00:32:29,570 --> 00:32:31,910 S3: 11 and it was the best thing that they ever 645 00:32:31,910 --> 00:32:34,160 S3: did for their relationship. And they remained best friends who 646 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:39,650 S3: lived three houses apart until my dad died. And it's 647 00:32:39,650 --> 00:32:43,010 S3: it's like Camp Carpe, like we're ending the band, but 648 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,820 S3: our relationships are all going to probably like still keep 649 00:32:46,820 --> 00:32:51,950 S3: growing into like even more like even stronger friendships. 650 00:32:53,220 --> 00:32:55,260 S1: Yeah. Nice. When you guys catch up, you're just there 651 00:32:55,260 --> 00:32:57,000 S1: to catch up and have a good time and sob 652 00:32:57,030 --> 00:33:00,090 S1: stories and look at how big Koda has gotten rather 653 00:33:00,090 --> 00:33:01,170 S1: than talk about logistics. 654 00:33:01,170 --> 00:33:05,310 S2: And not being like exhausted and, you know, stuck in 655 00:33:05,310 --> 00:33:07,740 S2: a moving vehicle together for. 656 00:33:08,130 --> 00:33:08,560 S4: 12. 657 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:09,980 S2: Hours a day. Yeah. 658 00:33:10,890 --> 00:33:13,860 S1: George, you're working on solo stuff and you've released a 659 00:33:13,860 --> 00:33:17,850 S1: bunch of amazing solo work in the last couple of years. 660 00:33:18,150 --> 00:33:21,930 S1: Your music that you're working on now, do you see 661 00:33:21,930 --> 00:33:24,450 S1: it as an iteration of of what the band released, 662 00:33:24,450 --> 00:33:26,550 S1: or are you just seeing it as a completely different 663 00:33:26,550 --> 00:33:29,430 S1: project because you're you've had enough of the camp space 664 00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:30,060 S1: for a while. 665 00:33:30,900 --> 00:33:34,050 S3: I think it's completely different because in camp, like I 666 00:33:34,050 --> 00:33:37,170 S3: would write all the songs just at home on my 667 00:33:37,170 --> 00:33:40,320 S3: guitar and then like bring them to the band. And 668 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:45,210 S3: then we'd kind of like flesh it out together. And 669 00:33:45,210 --> 00:33:48,900 S3: now I'm doing songwriting in a completely different way by 670 00:33:48,900 --> 00:33:51,930 S3: like going into songwriting sessions and like making songs with 671 00:33:51,930 --> 00:33:57,870 S3: like producers and stuff like that and like, just. I 672 00:33:57,870 --> 00:34:00,240 S3: know there's a bit a bit more like wiggle room 673 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,640 S3: and what I'm doing now, like if I want like 674 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,640 S3: a thousand instruments on it, that can be a thousand instruments. 675 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,890 S3: Whereas like in Camp Carpe, it was like, Well, this 676 00:34:07,890 --> 00:34:10,680 S3: band is us three, and that's what it's always been. 677 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:15,180 S3: And it's about what we create together, you know? And 678 00:34:15,330 --> 00:34:19,200 S3: my solo thing is just completely different to that. Like, 679 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,569 S3: it's not going to sound like it's not like nothing 680 00:34:21,570 --> 00:34:24,000 S3: will ever be Camp Cope. I'm always going to be 681 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,260 S3: Jorja Mack from Camp Cope and Camp Camp was like the, 682 00:34:28,260 --> 00:34:30,630 S3: like the best thing I ever did. Like, I love 683 00:34:30,630 --> 00:34:36,750 S3: camp so much. We fucking rocked. We were so good and. 684 00:34:37,980 --> 00:34:41,790 S3: Where you did so much good and we were the best. 685 00:34:42,660 --> 00:34:45,420 S3: But now I'm going to do something different and it's 686 00:34:45,420 --> 00:34:47,590 S3: going to be the best in my own, you know, 687 00:34:47,610 --> 00:34:49,560 S3: in a different way. You know. 688 00:34:50,870 --> 00:34:54,290 S1: Tom and Kelly, you both have been here before where 689 00:34:54,290 --> 00:34:57,680 S1: you've finished band and you said never again. I mean, 690 00:34:58,070 --> 00:35:01,760 S1: would you guys think about getting back in the game 691 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,770 S1: for for another project? I mean, you might already be. 692 00:35:03,770 --> 00:35:06,860 S1: I actually don't know if you're already cooking something else up. 693 00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:11,390 S2: There's about five drummers in Melbourne, so you can imagine 694 00:35:11,390 --> 00:35:15,410 S2: three minutes after we announced the breakup, it was like, Oh, interesting. Um, 695 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,620 S2: do you want to give me a minute? I'm going 696 00:35:18,620 --> 00:35:22,010 S2: to say for now, I need a rest. Yeah, I 697 00:35:22,010 --> 00:35:24,230 S2: need to watch the TV for a little while. 698 00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:24,500 S4: Yeah. 699 00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:27,110 S1: A lot of reality TV and footy and beers to sink. 700 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:28,340 S4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 701 00:35:28,340 --> 00:35:30,950 S2: I've got a cat to deal with. No time for 702 00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:31,910 S2: this rocking. 703 00:35:32,750 --> 00:35:33,680 S1: How about you, Kelly? 704 00:35:35,210 --> 00:35:40,560 S5: Uh, I can't imagine it. Like, people are constantly asking, 705 00:35:41,060 --> 00:35:45,080 S5: but it's never say never. But yeah, my focus is 706 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,319 S5: just really off by right now. And not just with 707 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,709 S5: a baby. Just with. And because and Cameron, I've built 708 00:35:51,710 --> 00:35:57,350 S5: something different than than what I found. I think it's. Uh, 709 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,870 S5: nice and left to kind of do a bunch of 710 00:36:00,870 --> 00:36:02,790 S5: different things and see what works best for you. And 711 00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:05,460 S5: I don't know if being a musician was the best 712 00:36:05,460 --> 00:36:07,500 S5: thing for me, so I want to explore some other 713 00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:09,899 S5: things before I think about going back to it. 714 00:36:10,620 --> 00:36:14,490 S1: Hey, Kelly Thomas and Georgia, thanks so much for talking 715 00:36:14,489 --> 00:36:17,640 S1: to me. I'm really excited about October, but I'm also 716 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:18,570 S1: really sad. 717 00:36:18,690 --> 00:36:21,180 S3: It will just be one last hurrah and the goddamn 718 00:36:21,180 --> 00:36:22,170 S3: concert hall. 719 00:36:23,790 --> 00:36:24,870 S1: Thank you again, guys. 720 00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:26,190 S8: Thanks for having us all. 721 00:36:26,670 --> 00:36:27,600 S3: Thank you, Osman. 722 00:36:31,390 --> 00:36:35,200 S1: This episode of The Drop was produced by Wong. If 723 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,080 S1: you enjoyed listening to today's episode of The drop, make 724 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,960 S1: sure to follow us in your favorite podcast app. Leave 725 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,170 S1: us a review or better yet, share it with a friend. 726 00:36:44,380 --> 00:36:46,660 S1: I'm Osman Farooqui. See you next week.