WEBVTT - George Donikian with Tony McManus - Tue 17 Jun, 2025

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<v Speaker 1>Now this is Australia Urban Eye with Tony McManus. Every

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<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks we catch up with the wonderful, the

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<v Speaker 1>always engaging, the thoroughly entertaining George Donique. And oh it's

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<v Speaker 1>a little little cliche, a little bit good morning George.

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<v Speaker 2>You haven't done that dance by the lay.

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<v Speaker 1>A few years ago at a beautiful Greek restaurant in kens.

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<v Speaker 2>And how long did it take you to recover?

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<v Speaker 1>About three and a half days from memory. And I

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<v Speaker 1>guess what his name.

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<v Speaker 2>Is, George?

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<v Speaker 1>It's George George. And so George up there in far

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<v Speaker 1>North Queensland has been running.

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<v Speaker 2>I started my radio career at four c A at

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<v Speaker 2>four a m.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, right, I did not know that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? What well?

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<v Speaker 1>Right when they were making the hoochie cooch up there

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<v Speaker 1>the tobacco.

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<v Speaker 2>Might they have always made the hoochie COOCHIEU.

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<v Speaker 1>Haven't they done? Ever? The point about George and he's

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<v Speaker 1>a beautiful place there in Cairnes. Every single night he

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<v Speaker 1>walks around the restaurant smashing the dishes, throwing them out

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<v Speaker 1>in the floor. It is incredible. Why would you wash them?

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<v Speaker 1>He smashes it in the restaurants and then well.

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<v Speaker 2>It even at tax time, and we need to end

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<v Speaker 2>of the year. We need to just clarify how we

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<v Speaker 2>get to work the books out, and do we just

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<v Speaker 2>smashed the plates?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you play Marvels at school?

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<v Speaker 2>I was never quite good enough to remember. This is

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<v Speaker 2>something that people don't really readily know. I went to

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<v Speaker 2>school supposedly at five. In other words, I say that

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<v Speaker 2>Mum took me to school at five to enroll me.

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<v Speaker 2>Her English was not really as good as it should

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<v Speaker 2>have been at the time. And when the head master said,

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<v Speaker 2>this is Denithian, it's halfway through term one. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>mind bringing George at the end of the term or

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning of the next term? Mum nodded and went

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<v Speaker 2>home and brought me back a year later, so she thought,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it meant a year, not the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the term. So I went to school as a six

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<v Speaker 2>year old and did not know a word of English.

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<v Speaker 2>Did not know a word of English. It took me

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<v Speaker 2>a long long time to be able to get to

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<v Speaker 2>that stage where I was, I suppose fluent and able

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<v Speaker 2>to mix in with all the other kids who thought

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<v Speaker 2>I was this arrogant so and so and so and so,

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<v Speaker 2>even at six, So It just goes to show you

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<v Speaker 2>that people make assumptions and they have no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's my next point. I was given this. I

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<v Speaker 1>was given this little thing. It's been around for a

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<v Speaker 1>little while, simply called ice Breaker. It's a whole set

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<v Speaker 1>of cards, about one hundred and fifty and it's got

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<v Speaker 1>a question on each of the ice Breaking card that

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<v Speaker 1>you having a dinner party. You would read one of

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<v Speaker 1>these out, and I selected one for you to consider.

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<v Speaker 1>You may not consider it straight away, but consider it.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk about it maybe a bit later on when

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<v Speaker 1>you collect your thought. What is a mistake that people

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<v Speaker 1>often make about George di.

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<v Speaker 2>Nickian where I come from?

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, that was pretty easy, right, that's ruined that segment.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's always break That's always been the problem they

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<v Speaker 2>And when I was in Queensland, they thought I was

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<v Speaker 2>a Queenslander. When I was in Adelaide, they thought I

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<v Speaker 2>was a South Australian. When I landed in Melbourne, they

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<v Speaker 2>thought I was from somewhere else. And it's taken me

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<v Speaker 2>a lifetime basically to remind people that I'm a Sydney boy,

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<v Speaker 2>born and bred, and I've traveled Australia and had the

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<v Speaker 2>good fortune to learn more about this country, and I

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<v Speaker 2>wish more of us did, because that way we'd be

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<v Speaker 2>less parochial and more Australian.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a good point. Because we started the program

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<v Speaker 1>this morning. I don't whether you were listening at twelve

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<v Speaker 1>twelve thirty. We've got lots of phone calls because I

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<v Speaker 1>just happened to say, guess what our politicians get a

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<v Speaker 1>pay rise? And then yeah, and then phones went. Need

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<v Speaker 1>to meltdown about who, how, why were and when? How

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<v Speaker 1>does that work? And what I.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably want to educate them.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you well, it's not me about education. It's about

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<v Speaker 1>trying to understand the idea of the walls. Democracy is

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<v Speaker 1>not fantastic. It's a really good system as opposed to

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<v Speaker 1>other systems. It might be used in other places.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether there are some parts of the world at the

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<v Speaker 2>moment that are really feeling an enormous amount of volatility

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<v Speaker 2>and pression, and we need to remind people that there's

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<v Speaker 2>a proper and right way to not only look after

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<v Speaker 2>each other, and that is to try and understand that

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<v Speaker 2>in a community we all have to compromise and if

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<v Speaker 2>we want to make a noise, there's a right time

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<v Speaker 2>for it. That's the beginning of the election cycle. And

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<v Speaker 2>on polling day you make your feelings felt. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>become a football supporter. And that is that. By that,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you don't get stuck to the colors and

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<v Speaker 2>you look at what's right and fair and what's good

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<v Speaker 2>for everyone, not just yourself. And if you feel that

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<v Speaker 2>strongly about it, don't that way, and no one should

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<v Speaker 2>tell you any different. And the reason for that, the

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<v Speaker 2>reason I'm so confident in that is our forefathers decided

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<v Speaker 2>everything would be secret ballot. Yeah, so that way you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have to, you know, you know, make a hue

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<v Speaker 2>and cry about why I didn't pursue your line of thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>You let me and as an adult, to go into

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<v Speaker 2>that room, draw the curtain and make up my own mind.

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<v Speaker 1>And you, George, there are some in this great audience

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<v Speaker 1>that I have right across Australia who will say they're

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<v Speaker 1>all no good, get rid of the whole lot. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I will say, well who do you put in?

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<v Speaker 1>And then they will say, oh, that's not important, just

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<v Speaker 1>get rid of them all.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, that's all well and good, but at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the day we have to we have

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<v Speaker 2>to support people we believe in. It's not always easy.

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<v Speaker 2>There are so many forces that press on them. And

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<v Speaker 2>the hardest thing about politics is remaining true to yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the reasons why I've never entered politics because,

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<v Speaker 2>as I've realized, you have to give too much away

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<v Speaker 2>to actually get to where you want to go, and

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<v Speaker 2>by the time you get that, you're not the person

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<v Speaker 2>you began the journey by being. So you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to stay true to yourself, stay out of politics,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's just too difficult. It's too it takes too

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<v Speaker 2>much away from the real you. You have to keep

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<v Speaker 2>giving up things. And when you landed that spot, who

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<v Speaker 2>are you? Who are you really? What are you? What

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<v Speaker 2>are you meant to be doing? So that's the challenge

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<v Speaker 2>of MOE.

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<v Speaker 1>We certainly don't want to be a cynical George store.

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<v Speaker 2>There.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to briefly touch on some of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that are happening overseas in extraordinary time happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I've been.

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<v Speaker 1>You stayed there, We'll come back more with George Denikan

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<v Speaker 1>all part of Australia over Nighty're on three ow the

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<v Speaker 1>good people over there at five double A in Adelaide

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<v Speaker 1>six pur in Perth and the ACE Radio Network. Good

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<v Speaker 1>Morning Ross and Rouss with the breaking program coming up

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<v Speaker 1>here on three aw ruandabout still on our twelve minutes

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<v Speaker 1>there about straight after David Armstrong's news, you wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>seen George Danikim with the as a great story. Page

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<v Speaker 1>three of the Age this morning talks about a bootmaker.

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<v Speaker 1>This is one of one of the great Melbourne Victorian stories.

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<v Speaker 1>I reckon. This is a bloke who makes luxury shoes

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<v Speaker 1>sold at an upmarket at Melbourne store. His name is

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<v Speaker 1>how you get this right? A Wee day U cub.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been a trust, He's been using his old PF

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<v Speaker 1>sewing machine. It is Melbourne home for decades and decades

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<v Speaker 1>and there still makes them his ninety six years Lebanese. Gorgeous,

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<v Speaker 1>great picture of him doing what he's been doing for decades,

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<v Speaker 1>making these beautiful shoes and they're still selling it six

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<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars a pair.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, my grandfather and my great grandfather and my father

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<v Speaker 2>to for a little while made beautiful shoes for women

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<v Speaker 2>and others. And I remember as a young boy watching

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<v Speaker 2>them make stiletto's and understanding just how complicated and how

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<v Speaker 2>important a task it was to make sure that they

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<v Speaker 2>got it right so that the heel would support the

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<v Speaker 2>woman and not have a fall over to it comfortable. Yeah, yeah, yeah, No,

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<v Speaker 2>there's an art, there's a great talent. And if you

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<v Speaker 2>find people like that, they spend their lives with great

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<v Speaker 2>precision and with great joy making beautiful things. So what

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<v Speaker 2>a gorgeous story.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a wonderful story. Page three. And it reminds me

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<v Speaker 1>so remember around Melbourne there would have been those wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>and Sydney too, where you were growing up, there would

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<v Speaker 1>have been beautiful tailors where gents, men and women would

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<v Speaker 1>go in and have a suit made or a jacket

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<v Speaker 1>maid that would last forever pretty much.

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<v Speaker 2>And they do it with love, with love. The really

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<v Speaker 2>good ones always did it with love. My father had

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<v Speaker 2>all these suits made for him and they were beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>suits and they've blasted, you know, when Dad passed, had

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<v Speaker 2>a wardrobe full of beautiful suits that we gave to

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<v Speaker 2>the various hop shops because it was it was right

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<v Speaker 2>and fair and those clothes were still good, were beautifully

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<v Speaker 2>woven and stitched together and looked masterful and looked you

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<v Speaker 2>know still well, you know they were like retro just gorgeous. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah and.

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<v Speaker 1>Natural And now like you, George, we just sneaked out

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<v Speaker 1>to Henry Bucks. And that's as good as life gets.

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<v Speaker 1>That's as good as life kids. Yeah, we'll get now.

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<v Speaker 1>Just so just put this on the George's accoub would you.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, that's how it works.

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<v Speaker 1>Just on a very serious note before we leave you,

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<v Speaker 1>there's lots of things happening, much of which many of

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<v Speaker 1>us don't fully understand. In the Middle East, it feels

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<v Speaker 1>tense or does the media sort of a drive it

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<v Speaker 1>to some degree in terms of the tension around it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, unfortunately media today modern media, and it's all

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<v Speaker 2>of it, whether it's social media or not. Not. We're

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<v Speaker 2>no longer called it social media. It is media because

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<v Speaker 2>it's seen around the world and it's send in real time. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone has an angle. Everyone has a particular thing they

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<v Speaker 2>want to pursue or push, and we've seen it and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a great disruptor. And you know, some people have

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<v Speaker 2>to scream a little bit harder than the others. Someone

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<v Speaker 2>wants to be out there first with a report or something,

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<v Speaker 2>and we get this distortion in the marketplace. Whether everyone

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<v Speaker 2>sees it as a distortion or not. It's a huge challenge.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why the legacy networks are doing the best they

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<v Speaker 2>can to try and be as as strong and as

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<v Speaker 2>accurate as they can be. But it's a real race

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<v Speaker 2>to capture the hearts and minds of the marketplace. And

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<v Speaker 2>people are changing their taste, their desires, there wants, and

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<v Speaker 2>there are a lot of people who just want to

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<v Speaker 2>hide from all the noise, so they don't want to read,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't want to watch, they don't want to you know, listen.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's another problem.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a problem, and I know we're in the

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<v Speaker 1>shared house. The tension is a do we need to

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<v Speaker 1>be looking at that again?

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<v Speaker 2>I know all those people, all those people said that

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<v Speaker 2>to me for years and year views when we're doing

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<v Speaker 2>the SBS World News, Why do you want to tell

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<v Speaker 2>us all about those stories? Because they're important. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>incumbent on all of us to understand that these are

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<v Speaker 2>trying times and they've been around for years and years

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<v Speaker 2>and years. These are troubled spots for a good reason,

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<v Speaker 2>because the answers aren't readily available. But we have to

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<v Speaker 2>hope that the key players, that is, the players who

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<v Speaker 2>can make decisions that impact will do it and do

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<v Speaker 2>it soon and keep our fingers crossed.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got to get the correct pronunciation. Helen sends you

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<v Speaker 1>text because your George, the correct pronunciation of N you

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<v Speaker 1>c l e A r n U c l e

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<v Speaker 1>A nuclear.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, it is definitely nuclear, not any other version

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<v Speaker 2>of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Nuclear.

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<v Speaker 2>Are all in nuclear nuclear as a nuclear.

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<v Speaker 1>Energy, nuclear energy. And Helen, I hope that knows.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Lenny.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of the ongoing discussions.

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<v Speaker 2>It is an instant one.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like how many times on the news yesterday did

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<v Speaker 1>here it happened at seven am in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, please don't start no in the morning. And I

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<v Speaker 2>want to pick up I know they mean I know

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<v Speaker 2>they mean well. I know they mean well that we

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<v Speaker 2>could fill a whole whole programing people do and say.

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<v Speaker 1>And I wanted to fling the Wikis the r Wheaties

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<v Speaker 1>carden right across the kitchen in the morning. George. It's

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<v Speaker 1>always a pleasure. I wish we could do it a

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<v Speaker 1>bit more often. But it's great to get you on

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<v Speaker 1>the thank you, thank you for getting good on you

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<v Speaker 1>mate by you too, But George, Dinicky and who we

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<v Speaker 1>catch up with a time to time, all part of Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>Overnight it's always a joy.