1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,590 S1: Let's get into it. 2 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,580 S2: Hey there. I'm Osman Farooqui and this is The Drop, 3 00:00:12,580 --> 00:00:15,670 S2: a culture show from the Sydney Morning Herald and The Age, 4 00:00:15,670 --> 00:00:17,889 S2: where we dive into the latest in the world of 5 00:00:17,890 --> 00:00:21,790 S2: pop culture and entertainment. I'm here with Thomas Mitchell and 6 00:00:21,790 --> 00:00:25,090 S2: Mel Cambrai. It's been a week since the cultural event 7 00:00:25,090 --> 00:00:28,210 S2: of the year. The decade, The century. How you guys 8 00:00:28,210 --> 00:00:32,260 S2: feeling seven days after we've had a chance to process, 9 00:00:32,260 --> 00:00:35,260 S2: to think, reflect. How do we feel about these two 10 00:00:35,260 --> 00:00:36,730 S2: big movies, Barbie and Oppenheimer? 11 00:00:36,970 --> 00:00:39,730 S3: I am still obsessed with both of them, and I 12 00:00:39,729 --> 00:00:42,460 S3: really want to go back to see them again so 13 00:00:42,460 --> 00:00:44,409 S3: I can kind of keep thinking about them and pick 14 00:00:44,409 --> 00:00:46,270 S3: up the details that you miss when you only watch 15 00:00:46,270 --> 00:00:49,690 S3: them once. Because I've just been so enthralled by all 16 00:00:49,690 --> 00:00:53,020 S3: the discussion and debate around them, and particularly Oppenheimer. And 17 00:00:53,020 --> 00:00:54,910 S3: I know you guys are kind of the same. I've 18 00:00:54,910 --> 00:00:58,510 S3: gone down a real deep dive into the history of that. 19 00:00:58,510 --> 00:01:01,330 S2: We've all been reading the Wikipedia pages of every single 20 00:01:01,330 --> 00:01:03,370 S2: character in that movie. Well, I. 21 00:01:03,370 --> 00:01:06,760 S4: Was actually on Charles Oppenheimer, who is Oppenheimer's grandson. I 22 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,950 S4: was on his website last night. So that's where I'm at. 23 00:01:08,950 --> 00:01:09,759 S4: And he was in the. 24 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,949 S3: He was in the documentary that was there was the 25 00:01:12,069 --> 00:01:14,950 S3: there's an Oppenheimer documentary that's on Binge. I just got 26 00:01:14,950 --> 00:01:17,830 S3: American Prometheus, which is the book Christopher Nolan based the 27 00:01:17,830 --> 00:01:20,679 S3: film on Delivered. So I am I'm well into it. 28 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,300 S4: Look at Oseman. You can't obviously this is a podcast, 29 00:01:22,300 --> 00:01:24,760 S4: but he is beaming like a proud father. He's never 30 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,009 S4: been so excited that we're all so. 31 00:01:27,180 --> 00:01:30,940 S2: Oppenheimer I went back to the movies on Saturday to 32 00:01:30,940 --> 00:01:34,750 S2: see Oppenheimer for a second time and I was still 33 00:01:34,750 --> 00:01:36,310 S2: blown away. I thought, like, you know, for such a 34 00:01:36,310 --> 00:01:39,250 S2: long movie, quite incredible that I did not feel bored 35 00:01:39,250 --> 00:01:42,940 S2: at all. Seeing it for the second time. The pacing 36 00:01:42,940 --> 00:01:45,400 S2: was great. Definitely picked up on a couple of things. 37 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,230 S2: A couple of things made sense to me that that 38 00:01:47,260 --> 00:01:49,630 S2: I sort of missed the first time around. But the 39 00:01:49,630 --> 00:01:53,200 S2: most interesting part of going to the movies again, and 40 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,240 S2: I'm really interested to talk to you guys about what 41 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:59,560 S2: your kind of immediate social group, family friends have been 42 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,380 S2: saying about these films. It was an amazing experience. It 43 00:02:02,380 --> 00:02:05,380 S2: was like 10:00 in the morning at the Imax, maybe 44 00:02:05,380 --> 00:02:08,530 S2: like 100 of the 600 people there were dressed in pink. 45 00:02:08,530 --> 00:02:13,240 S2: So they were clearly ready to do the Oppenheimer Barbie double. 46 00:02:13,540 --> 00:02:16,209 S2: And we'd sort of flagged that that's the wrong order 47 00:02:16,210 --> 00:02:19,720 S2: to do these movies in because of the intensity of Oppenheimer. 48 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,940 S2: I actually ducked out of the cinema like two minutes 49 00:02:21,940 --> 00:02:24,880 S2: before the movie ended just so I could stand at 50 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,300 S2: the exit and watch everyone's faces as they left. And 51 00:02:28,300 --> 00:02:30,520 S2: let me tell you, that was a sight. That was 52 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,680 S2: a sight. There was like mascara running. 53 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,060 S4: Especially for the people coming out. 54 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:34,780 S2: Yes. 55 00:02:35,310 --> 00:02:36,640 S4: Just you standing there watching them. 56 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:36,970 S2: That was. 57 00:02:36,970 --> 00:02:38,740 S3: Very disconcerting. 58 00:02:38,740 --> 00:02:40,389 S4: I stood there just to watch people. 59 00:02:40,750 --> 00:02:43,030 S2: Well, I wanted to see how the Bobbie crew would, 60 00:02:43,030 --> 00:02:45,310 S2: like handle it, because I think everyone was so excited 61 00:02:45,310 --> 00:02:48,669 S2: and preppy. And I think, like our instincts were vindicated 62 00:02:48,669 --> 00:02:51,460 S2: that people walked out of that cinema, not quite ready 63 00:02:51,460 --> 00:02:54,130 S2: to go watch a fun film like Barbie. 64 00:02:54,130 --> 00:02:56,200 S3: It kind of sounds like you watch too much Oppenheimer 65 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:57,880 S3: And then you're like, Oh, let me do my own 66 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,360 S3: experiment here. Let me put my experiment hat on. 67 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:02,410 S4: Are you wearing a pork by hat? 68 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,140 S2: I should have actually dressed up as him and just 69 00:03:05,139 --> 00:03:10,899 S2: stared really grimly, ashen faced. We destroyed the world. These films. 70 00:03:10,900 --> 00:03:12,880 S2: I mean, a lot has been written and said about 71 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,780 S2: them already, but the amount of money that particularly Bobbie 72 00:03:16,780 --> 00:03:20,200 S2: made in its opening weekend is absolutely phenomenal. I remember 73 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,950 S2: saying last week's episode that I think could make like 74 00:03:23,950 --> 00:03:28,480 S2: half $1 billion worldwide across its run. It made half 75 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:33,160 S2: 1 billion AUD worldwide in its opening four days. That 76 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:37,270 S2: that is completely phenomenal. It made $20 million in Australia, 77 00:03:37,270 --> 00:03:41,110 S2: over $20 million, which, you know, without needing to rattle 78 00:03:41,110 --> 00:03:43,240 S2: off a bunch of numbers for other movies, it's a 79 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,280 S2: lot of money. This is a big, big, big film. 80 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:50,110 S2: And Oppenheimer as well cracked just over 9 million in Australia. 81 00:03:50,110 --> 00:03:53,530 S2: I don't remember a time where basically everyone I know 82 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,750 S2: was going to the movies in one week and to 83 00:03:55,750 --> 00:03:58,330 S2: see all of these things. I imagine that's similar for 84 00:03:58,330 --> 00:04:00,700 S2: you guys. Your friends, family are all seeing these films. 85 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,670 S4: Yeah, like very few people I know saw both on 86 00:04:03,670 --> 00:04:07,000 S4: the weekend, but almost everyone I know saw one of them. 87 00:04:07,540 --> 00:04:09,970 S4: My wife went and saw Barbie on the weekend with 88 00:04:09,970 --> 00:04:12,730 S4: her mum and sister. We did have a long chat 89 00:04:12,730 --> 00:04:14,380 S4: as she was getting ready to leave. I was like, 90 00:04:14,380 --> 00:04:18,100 S4: I think your mom's going to hate Barbie. I don't 91 00:04:18,100 --> 00:04:20,530 S4: think she thinks because they're all like Girls Day and 92 00:04:20,529 --> 00:04:22,469 S4: they all wore pink. And then she was like, It was. 93 00:04:22,510 --> 00:04:24,850 S4: It was very much that vibe. And I was like, 94 00:04:24,850 --> 00:04:28,029 S4: Just prep your mum that it's not like, you know, 95 00:04:28,029 --> 00:04:29,739 S4: like and Girls Day out. 96 00:04:30,010 --> 00:04:32,200 S3: What was Mama Kate's take on it? 97 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,719 S4: Well, then it kind of turned into an argument where 98 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:36,489 S4: she was like, No, I should like it. Like, you're 99 00:04:36,490 --> 00:04:37,840 S4: being so like. And now I'm. 100 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:39,580 S3: Single and we're divorced. Yeah. 101 00:04:39,580 --> 00:04:42,130 S4: And then I haven't seen her since. No, no. But 102 00:04:42,130 --> 00:04:44,230 S4: then I. So as soon as she came out of 103 00:04:44,230 --> 00:04:45,550 S4: the movie, she was like, That was great. I was like, 104 00:04:45,550 --> 00:04:48,130 S4: What did your mum think? And I suspect that she 105 00:04:48,130 --> 00:04:49,479 S4: wasn't telling me the truth because she was like, Oh, 106 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,820 S4: she really liked it full stop. And I was like, 107 00:04:52,150 --> 00:04:54,010 S4: Now you don't want to concede that I was right. 108 00:04:54,010 --> 00:04:54,460 S4: I love that. 109 00:04:54,460 --> 00:04:57,190 S2: We've progressed from talking about your wife to now you 110 00:04:57,190 --> 00:04:58,690 S2: just accusing her of being a liar. 111 00:04:59,589 --> 00:05:02,140 S4: I mean, she gets pretty character assassinated on this part. Anyway. 112 00:05:02,140 --> 00:05:05,470 S2: We sort of were flagging that the discourse for these movies, 113 00:05:05,470 --> 00:05:09,070 S2: particularly Barbie, was going to be kind of unhinged. And it. 114 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:10,670 S2: Has been like. I don't know if you guys have 115 00:05:10,670 --> 00:05:13,580 S2: seen the clips on Fox News and others were conservatives 116 00:05:13,580 --> 00:05:16,010 S2: are like, I thought Bobby was just as great all 117 00:05:16,010 --> 00:05:19,310 S2: American gal and this is some sort of like men 118 00:05:19,310 --> 00:05:23,419 S2: hating like super woke film that has been like a 119 00:05:23,420 --> 00:05:25,490 S2: part of their action tour. But I think what is 120 00:05:25,490 --> 00:05:28,820 S2: more interesting in a way is despite being kind of 121 00:05:28,820 --> 00:05:32,300 S2: politically divisive, the sheer joy that the film has brought 122 00:05:32,300 --> 00:05:36,770 S2: kind of everyone, it's just, you know, been so popular 123 00:05:36,770 --> 00:05:41,119 S2: and so, so highly watched. I think that says a 124 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,400 S2: lot about the film and the merits of the film. 125 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,229 S2: I was probably a little bit cooler on both of 126 00:05:45,230 --> 00:05:47,120 S2: you last week, but the more I've thought about it, 127 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,089 S2: the more I have come to really, really appreciate and 128 00:05:50,089 --> 00:05:55,190 S2: respect what Greta and Margot did by creating a big, 129 00:05:55,190 --> 00:05:59,450 S2: massive blockbuster success that will be watched by everyone that 130 00:05:59,450 --> 00:06:02,270 S2: talks about like interesting and complicated issues. 131 00:06:02,270 --> 00:06:04,240 S3: But you didn't respect it enough to go and say 132 00:06:04,250 --> 00:06:06,020 S3: the second time I. 133 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,219 S2: I was just trying to boost my guy Nolan's box 134 00:06:10,220 --> 00:06:10,790 S2: office numbers. 135 00:06:10,790 --> 00:06:12,349 S4: He's just an IP boy living. 136 00:06:12,350 --> 00:06:13,190 S2: In an IP world. 137 00:06:13,310 --> 00:06:14,630 S3: Through and through. 138 00:06:15,230 --> 00:06:18,229 S2: So there's been this other set of takes where people like, Well, 139 00:06:18,230 --> 00:06:20,750 S2: this isn't the first time two movies have come out 140 00:06:20,750 --> 00:06:23,150 S2: at the cinema at the same time, and people point 141 00:06:23,150 --> 00:06:26,450 S2: to the double billing of Mamma mia and The Dark 142 00:06:26,450 --> 00:06:29,990 S2: Knight Returns, like about a decade ago. And while that's true, 143 00:06:29,990 --> 00:06:32,120 S2: I think what is interesting and why these two movies 144 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,000 S2: have caught so much attention is that since the pandemic, 145 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,089 S2: since we really stopped going as a society to the theaters, 146 00:06:38,089 --> 00:06:41,930 S2: thanks to streaming, events like this have really been restricted 147 00:06:41,930 --> 00:06:45,440 S2: to superhero kind of blockbuster movies like that, basically. So 148 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,840 S2: I think, sure, things were different ten, 20 years ago, 149 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:52,279 S2: but in this modern, contemporary kind of film landscape, it 150 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,910 S2: is rare for there to be big releases like this 151 00:06:55,910 --> 00:06:59,210 S2: on the same weekend. It's brought a lot of people 152 00:06:59,210 --> 00:07:01,490 S2: into the movies from the people I've been speaking to 153 00:07:01,490 --> 00:07:03,800 S2: who normally don't go to the movies, and a lot 154 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,989 S2: of them have been saying what's next is like, what 155 00:07:05,990 --> 00:07:09,020 S2: do I go and see? After I've seen Bobby and Oppenheimer? 156 00:07:09,020 --> 00:07:11,090 S2: And I'm like, Well, go see them both again. I 157 00:07:11,090 --> 00:07:14,210 S2: guess I'm interested as to whether you guys think this 158 00:07:14,210 --> 00:07:17,600 S2: could lead to a bit of a revival, a resurgence 159 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,580 S2: of going to the theaters and what you guys think 160 00:07:19,580 --> 00:07:21,950 S2: the next big hits could be over the next few 161 00:07:21,950 --> 00:07:22,820 S2: weeks and months? 162 00:07:22,820 --> 00:07:25,700 S3: Yeah, I think it will. And to the point about 163 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,720 S3: apparently Christopher Nolan really likes this one weekend in July 164 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,410 S3: to release his films, but to Dark Knight and Mamma mia, 165 00:07:32,420 --> 00:07:35,000 S3: I don't think that had the same level of excitement. 166 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,330 S3: And I loved the footage around Australia of like queues 167 00:07:38,330 --> 00:07:40,400 S3: out the door of cinemas. I don't know if you 168 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,070 S3: saw those images of people dying to get in there 169 00:07:43,070 --> 00:07:46,070 S3: and sessions being sold out and I just can't really 170 00:07:46,070 --> 00:07:49,340 S3: remember that kind of excitement or interest in a film 171 00:07:49,340 --> 00:07:51,560 S3: for a long time. And I do think for people 172 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,960 S3: who for many people this might be their first time 173 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,330 S3: back into a cinema because they didn't want to wait 174 00:07:56,330 --> 00:07:57,890 S3: for it to go on streaming, they want it to 175 00:07:57,890 --> 00:08:00,350 S3: be part of the cultural conversation. Now, I think it 176 00:08:00,350 --> 00:08:02,360 S3: might remind them about why they do like going to 177 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,060 S3: the cinema and how seeing a film can be a 178 00:08:05,060 --> 00:08:07,250 S3: part of a can be part of a great day 179 00:08:07,250 --> 00:08:08,240 S3: and a great night out. 180 00:08:08,510 --> 00:08:10,880 S4: Yeah, I think so. I love seeing all that footage 181 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,540 S4: of like people kind of lining up and stuff, I reckon. 182 00:08:14,540 --> 00:08:16,880 S4: I mean, it'd be smart and I'm sure like distributors 183 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:18,890 S4: around the world are looking at this. Bob and Haim 184 00:08:18,890 --> 00:08:20,840 S4: are phenomenal and being like, okay, maybe we should talk 185 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,030 S4: to some of you guys and like, let's line up 186 00:08:23,030 --> 00:08:26,240 S4: some very different films and try and recreate the magic 187 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,390 S4: of this, like, weird dual release date. I mean, I 188 00:08:29,390 --> 00:08:31,460 S4: had a look at what's coming up at the like 189 00:08:31,460 --> 00:08:33,290 S4: the rest of the year. I think the only thing 190 00:08:33,290 --> 00:08:36,140 S4: we can get close to is like the big release 191 00:08:36,140 --> 00:08:39,980 S4: of the Willy Wonka film starring Timothee Chalamet, being directed 192 00:08:39,980 --> 00:08:42,020 S4: by Paul King, Asteroid City. 193 00:08:42,020 --> 00:08:44,989 S3: Wes Anderson is coming out next month. I think that 194 00:08:44,990 --> 00:08:47,540 S3: will be big again. He seems to divide people more 195 00:08:47,540 --> 00:08:48,829 S3: and people seem to know a bit more what they're 196 00:08:48,830 --> 00:08:51,050 S3: getting with Wes Anderson Yeah, but I think that will 197 00:08:51,050 --> 00:08:53,510 S3: be another big release to look forward to. If you're like, 198 00:08:53,510 --> 00:08:54,890 S3: I want to go and see something. 199 00:08:54,890 --> 00:08:56,809 S4: Now, I think the and with like because I think 200 00:08:56,929 --> 00:09:00,170 S4: with the Wonka one, there's like Napoleon coming out very 201 00:09:00,170 --> 00:09:02,630 S4: near to it. So those two kind of similar thing 202 00:09:02,630 --> 00:09:05,449 S4: to Barbie Oppenheimer you've got like Napoleon for the serious, 203 00:09:05,450 --> 00:09:08,270 S4: you know, like Nolan has. Yeah, yeah. We're standing outside 204 00:09:08,270 --> 00:09:10,400 S4: of cinema waiting for everyone to come out. And then 205 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:11,959 S4: you've got like Willy Wonka, which is kind of like 206 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,559 S4: the surreal, crazy, you know, type of film. So that'll 207 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,090 S4: be interesting to see if people get around that. But 208 00:09:17,090 --> 00:09:18,980 S4: I think, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if we start 209 00:09:18,980 --> 00:09:21,290 S4: to see more of this, like playing off two different 210 00:09:21,290 --> 00:09:24,800 S4: kind of like tastes and like audiences against each other 211 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,010 S4: and trying to create a bit of a buzz around films. Yeah. 212 00:09:28,010 --> 00:09:30,230 S3: And I reckon Bobby set the benchmark as well for 213 00:09:30,230 --> 00:09:33,350 S3: marketing and advertising. Even today. This morning I was seeing 214 00:09:33,350 --> 00:09:35,870 S3: that they've kind of put a giant 3D Barbie that's 215 00:09:35,870 --> 00:09:38,450 S3: stepping out of its box overseas. You know, they're still 216 00:09:38,450 --> 00:09:42,080 S3: going with this campaign. I think it's really shown film 217 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,440 S3: producers and companies how important the campaigns can be and 218 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:49,250 S3: making that kind of momentous event that everyone can gather around. 219 00:09:49,250 --> 00:09:52,460 S3: So I hope we'll see more interesting advertising and promotion 220 00:09:52,460 --> 00:09:52,819 S3: from this. 221 00:09:52,820 --> 00:09:55,250 S2: Yeah, the big asterisks over all of this is that 222 00:09:55,250 --> 00:09:57,890 S2: just at the time where everyone is getting really excited 223 00:09:57,890 --> 00:10:01,160 S2: about going to the movies, Hollywood is on strike and 224 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:05,420 S2: that is leading to some films being pulled from release. 225 00:10:05,420 --> 00:10:08,780 S2: We were talking, Mel, earlier this week about challenges, the new. 226 00:10:08,790 --> 00:10:12,120 S2: Film starring Zendaya, directed by Luca Guadagnino from. Call Me 227 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,520 S2: By Your Name. That was supposed to come out in 228 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,910 S2: the next few weeks. That's been pushed back to May 229 00:10:17,910 --> 00:10:19,250 S2: next year. Is that right? 230 00:10:19,260 --> 00:10:23,490 S3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. April, I think. And also the dry sequel, 231 00:10:23,490 --> 00:10:26,280 S3: which was going to be the big Australian film, and 232 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,590 S3: it was really important for Australian cinema, I think it was. 233 00:10:28,590 --> 00:10:30,750 S3: We've had a bad year in terms of Australian films 234 00:10:30,750 --> 00:10:32,760 S3: at the box office and this was meant to kind 235 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,580 S3: of be be a good moment. That's been also delayed 236 00:10:35,580 --> 00:10:37,590 S3: because some of the cast and crew are part of 237 00:10:37,590 --> 00:10:38,790 S3: the SAG Guild. 238 00:10:38,910 --> 00:10:43,500 S2: Okay, So fingers crossed that we still managed to get Napoleon. 239 00:10:43,500 --> 00:10:45,540 S2: I mean, I'm not that hype about Wonka. I'm getting 240 00:10:45,540 --> 00:10:47,580 S2: real Cats energy from the trailer. 241 00:10:47,730 --> 00:10:49,410 S4: I'm surprised. I thought you would have been about that. 242 00:10:49,410 --> 00:10:51,480 S4: I'm mostly keen to say Hugh Grant. 243 00:10:51,940 --> 00:10:54,900 S2: As that is what was so weird about it. I mean, 244 00:10:54,900 --> 00:10:57,689 S2: if it leans into how weird and wacky it seems, 245 00:10:57,690 --> 00:11:00,059 S2: but I just feel that it might pull its punches 246 00:11:00,059 --> 00:11:02,189 S2: and end up falling a little bit flat. But there's 247 00:11:02,190 --> 00:11:04,290 S2: a fair bit to look forward to. Hopefully those big 248 00:11:04,290 --> 00:11:07,710 S2: releases is also Scorseses Killers of the Flower Moon, starring 249 00:11:07,710 --> 00:11:11,490 S2: basically everyone who wasn't in Oppenheimer that's coming out and 250 00:11:11,490 --> 00:11:14,040 S2: June 2nd as well. So there's a lot more to 251 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,410 S2: look forward to. If you've recently become a fan of 252 00:11:16,410 --> 00:11:19,200 S2: the cinema and we'll be talking about them in the 253 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:23,430 S2: next few weeks and months. But let's Pivot to the Bear, 254 00:11:23,429 --> 00:11:27,480 S2: The main focus of today's episode, season two of the 255 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,020 S2: restaurant focused drama to created and written by Christopher Storer 256 00:11:31,020 --> 00:11:34,470 S2: and starring Jeremy Alan White. It's finally out here. We're 257 00:11:34,470 --> 00:11:36,270 S2: not going to complain about the delay again. We've done 258 00:11:36,270 --> 00:11:39,570 S2: that on enough podcasts. We're going to talk about the 259 00:11:39,570 --> 00:11:44,429 S2: first half of the second season episodes 1 to 5. 260 00:11:44,429 --> 00:11:51,089 S2: Thomas The Bear is basically your Oppenheimer. Talk us through this, this, 261 00:11:51,090 --> 00:11:53,610 S2: this return of the show. Where are we picking up from? 262 00:11:53,610 --> 00:11:56,670 S2: What's driving this season and how do you think it 263 00:11:56,670 --> 00:11:57,540 S2: sort of measuring up? 264 00:11:57,780 --> 00:12:00,540 S4: Yeah, obviously the bear season two was phenomenal. Let me 265 00:12:00,540 --> 00:12:04,110 S4: just put that out there. So essentially, season two very 266 00:12:04,110 --> 00:12:06,120 S4: much picks up where season one left off. So at 267 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,720 S4: the end of season one, Carmy and the crew find 268 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:14,699 S4: basically $300,000 hidden in tomato cans from commies older brother. 269 00:12:15,090 --> 00:12:18,240 S4: And then they use that money to essentially the final 270 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,939 S4: closing shot we see in season one is Carmy, putting 271 00:12:20,940 --> 00:12:24,120 S4: a closed sign on the original beef land of Chicago, 272 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,400 S4: and he puts up a sign that says The bear 273 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,880 S4: coming soon. And that's basically where season two picks up. 274 00:12:30,179 --> 00:12:33,150 S4: The plan is to use that money to expand the 275 00:12:33,150 --> 00:12:35,640 S4: business and open a fine dining restaurant called The Bear, 276 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,010 S4: named after Carmy Bizzaro and his brother. It was kind 277 00:12:38,010 --> 00:12:40,770 S4: of their original idea to do this together. And I 278 00:12:40,770 --> 00:12:43,829 S4: guess like that frame Season two, we get a very 279 00:12:43,830 --> 00:12:47,400 S4: early speech from Richie about purpose, and the season very 280 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:52,050 S4: much is about purpose and self-improvement and not in a 281 00:12:52,050 --> 00:12:54,540 S4: saccharine way, but we'll get to that because I know 282 00:12:54,570 --> 00:12:57,690 S4: Mel thinks it's too saccharine, but it's very much a, 283 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,990 S4: you know, a season driven by wanting to improve yourself 284 00:13:00,990 --> 00:13:04,980 S4: and and trying, I guess, against the odds to work 285 00:13:04,980 --> 00:13:07,920 S4: together and do something great. Even if you don't come 286 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,250 S4: from somewhere great, maybe. And essentially, that's where we see 287 00:13:11,250 --> 00:13:13,950 S4: all the characters. Everyone has their own kind of journey. 288 00:13:13,950 --> 00:13:18,090 S4: So Carmy and said are working together to start the bear. 289 00:13:18,090 --> 00:13:21,329 S4: Marcus He goes on a journey of self-improvement to Tina 290 00:13:21,330 --> 00:13:25,380 S4: and Ibrahim, go to culinary school. Richie is also doing 291 00:13:25,380 --> 00:13:27,570 S4: his thing. And then you've also got Natalie, which is 292 00:13:27,570 --> 00:13:29,970 S4: Carmy sister. She becomes part of the business. So it's 293 00:13:29,970 --> 00:13:32,610 S4: an expanded show both in terms of the roles for 294 00:13:32,610 --> 00:13:35,189 S4: the ensemble cast, but also in terms of the actual episodes. 295 00:13:35,190 --> 00:13:37,770 S4: We go from 8 to 10. And yeah, that's, that's 296 00:13:37,770 --> 00:13:40,800 S4: kind of where the first five episodes place us. Essentially 297 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,010 S4: the team is back together. The original plan of Chicago 298 00:13:44,010 --> 00:13:45,900 S4: is no more, and the plan is to start the 299 00:13:45,900 --> 00:13:49,710 S4: bear in a very, very tight timeline. They go they 300 00:13:49,710 --> 00:13:51,599 S4: give themselves three months to open. 301 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,640 S2: Mel Thomas and I had been talking earlier in the 302 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,240 S2: year about our anxiety, about the return of the show 303 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,270 S2: because the first season was so tight and complete, it 304 00:14:09,270 --> 00:14:11,640 S2: had this really specific story I wanted to tell. It 305 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,860 S2: came out of nowhere. It blew us all away. We 306 00:14:13,860 --> 00:14:15,870 S2: were really happy and then the like. And the Bear 307 00:14:15,870 --> 00:14:18,000 S2: gang is going to be back and it's like, Oh no, 308 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,330 S2: what will happen here? We're all a bit nervous. How 309 00:14:21,330 --> 00:14:23,960 S2: do you feel about the second season of the show? 310 00:14:23,970 --> 00:14:26,340 S3: Look, and I am a bit nervous about speaking my 311 00:14:26,340 --> 00:14:29,790 S3: truth here because when I came in yesterday and I 312 00:14:29,790 --> 00:14:32,430 S3: told Thomas my reaction to Thomas, the. 313 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,490 S2: Head shaking immediately, very quickly, he was. 314 00:14:35,490 --> 00:14:38,310 S3: Like, I've never seen Thomas look so genuinely hurt. And 315 00:14:38,310 --> 00:14:40,070 S3: he was like, to use a cooking metaphor, he was 316 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,020 S3: bit like an apple crumble that had folded in on himself. 317 00:14:43,020 --> 00:14:44,970 S2: He's wearing his white shirt. I've got to say, every 318 00:14:44,970 --> 00:14:48,280 S2: time I watch that show, I can't see Alan Watt anymore. 319 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,850 S2: I just see Thomas and I see Thomas watching him 320 00:14:50,850 --> 00:14:54,450 S2: and getting excited and smiling when, like, commies doing things. Yeah, 321 00:14:54,450 --> 00:14:54,690 S2: I know. 322 00:14:54,690 --> 00:14:57,720 S3: He's like, gaslit us into thinking they're the same person. 323 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,600 S4: Oh, my God. This is totally driven by you to 324 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:00,989 S4: this car. 325 00:15:01,500 --> 00:15:03,840 S2: You're wearing a white shirt right now and. 326 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,330 S3: You have talked about this show consistently, but when are 327 00:15:06,330 --> 00:15:08,460 S3: you not talking about the show? It's more significant when 328 00:15:08,460 --> 00:15:09,450 S3: you're not discussing it. 329 00:15:09,450 --> 00:15:09,720 S2: Okay. 330 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,540 S4: Let's just get to the like crux of it. You 331 00:15:12,540 --> 00:15:14,490 S4: called it the new Ted lasso. 332 00:15:15,210 --> 00:15:15,810 S2: Okay. 333 00:15:16,140 --> 00:15:19,350 S3: Okay. That's and I want to disclaim we are only 334 00:15:19,350 --> 00:15:21,330 S3: discussing the first five episodes and I know there are 335 00:15:21,330 --> 00:15:24,240 S3: some pretty stellar episodes to come, so my position next 336 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,270 S3: week might change. I'll also disclaimer this by saying I 337 00:15:27,270 --> 00:15:29,010 S3: think it's a great show, probably the best show on 338 00:15:29,010 --> 00:15:29,940 S3: TV at the moment. 339 00:15:30,150 --> 00:15:32,130 S2: Don't let him bully you, Mel. You're allowed to speak 340 00:15:32,130 --> 00:15:35,580 S2: your truth. You don't have to preface everything you say. 341 00:15:35,700 --> 00:15:38,060 S3: Yeah, he's got very short temper like Kami. 342 00:15:38,430 --> 00:15:40,590 S4: Thank God. No, the real issue here is that you 343 00:15:40,590 --> 00:15:42,420 S4: don't like it because there's so many working class people 344 00:15:42,420 --> 00:15:42,780 S4: in the show. 345 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,140 S2: Okay, okay. Not a single book being, right? Actually, that's 346 00:15:46,140 --> 00:15:47,520 S2: not true. There is a book being read. 347 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,040 S3: Yeah, that is true. And I'm ready to talk about 348 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,500 S3: Coach K. Like we can go into that, but. Right, great. 349 00:15:52,620 --> 00:15:54,300 S2: All right. We'll let you actually say what you don't like. 350 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,420 S3: Look, my overall feeling is that it's just become a 351 00:15:57,420 --> 00:15:59,970 S3: bit too kind of a show. And I do think 352 00:15:59,970 --> 00:16:02,580 S3: it's not Ted Lasso and it's Ted. Lasso is a 353 00:16:02,580 --> 00:16:04,650 S3: different show. But if you really look at it, it's 354 00:16:04,650 --> 00:16:08,130 S3: the same mission. It's about a group of underdogs all 355 00:16:08,130 --> 00:16:11,610 S3: trying to do this impossible task together, and they're all 356 00:16:11,610 --> 00:16:14,250 S3: on their individual journeys of discovery, as well as a 357 00:16:14,250 --> 00:16:17,580 S3: group journey of discovery. So it's really is the same 358 00:16:17,580 --> 00:16:20,970 S3: journey they're on. And I don't know, I missed the 359 00:16:20,970 --> 00:16:23,850 S3: clatter and clanging of the first season. I missed being 360 00:16:23,850 --> 00:16:26,460 S3: in the kitchen. I missed the tempers. I missed the 361 00:16:26,460 --> 00:16:29,010 S3: kind of everything falling apart of that. And it's just 362 00:16:29,010 --> 00:16:31,320 S3: become too sweet and too earnest. And I hate shows 363 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,840 S3: that moralize like I hate shows that spell out a 364 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,260 S3: message like, Everyone's got this. Really, Tina? Tina just needs 365 00:16:37,260 --> 00:16:40,020 S3: to be built up by going to this culinary school. 366 00:16:40,020 --> 00:16:42,630 S3: Everyone can do everything. Sydney needs to learn to stand 367 00:16:42,630 --> 00:16:45,450 S3: on her own and find her own kind of confidence 368 00:16:45,450 --> 00:16:48,960 S3: in cooking. Like, I don't know, it's just give me 369 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,900 S3: Oppenheimer every day. That's the real world. Give me like 370 00:16:51,900 --> 00:16:53,910 S3: the world turning on you when you gave it what 371 00:16:53,910 --> 00:16:56,730 S3: it wanted. I don't know. It's just too sweet. 372 00:16:57,270 --> 00:16:59,340 S2: So I've been keeping my powder dry. Neither of you 373 00:16:59,340 --> 00:17:01,890 S2: guys know how I feel about this. Isn't really. 374 00:17:01,890 --> 00:17:04,260 S4: Yes, but if you don't like it, I'm on strike. 375 00:17:04,260 --> 00:17:06,690 S2: I'm going to say. Yeah, Mel, I think you're wrong. 376 00:17:06,690 --> 00:17:07,350 S2: Like I'm. 377 00:17:07,500 --> 00:17:08,729 S4: Yes, Come. 378 00:17:08,730 --> 00:17:11,730 S2: On. I'm a lot closer to Thomas on this one. 379 00:17:11,730 --> 00:17:14,400 S2: I don't think. I don't think your description of the 380 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,440 S2: show is wrong at all. And, you know, I think 381 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,540 S2: that is what this show is. But I also think 382 00:17:18,540 --> 00:17:21,030 S2: there's a reason why the first season of Ted Lasso 383 00:17:21,030 --> 00:17:25,710 S2: landed and why it felt different to so much other heavy, 384 00:17:25,710 --> 00:17:28,620 S2: grim prestige stuff out there. I think the bear is 385 00:17:28,619 --> 00:17:31,409 S2: much better than Ted lasso on my view, but it 386 00:17:31,410 --> 00:17:34,139 S2: has what you've got. But it also is more complicated. 387 00:17:34,140 --> 00:17:37,530 S2: Like the characters aren't quite as saccharine as Ted Lasso. 388 00:17:37,530 --> 00:17:41,070 S2: The writing isn't quite as sort of like, Oh gee, 389 00:17:41,070 --> 00:17:43,590 S2: willikers everyone, you know, there's a little bit more going 390 00:17:43,590 --> 00:17:46,200 S2: on there. And I think what I like about this 391 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,629 S2: season is the broadening out. As Tom has put it, 392 00:17:48,630 --> 00:17:51,510 S2: the ensemble is like much more, you know, part of 393 00:17:51,510 --> 00:17:53,160 S2: the show. Like there's an episode that we'll talk about 394 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,710 S2: a bit later where Connie is not in it at all. 395 00:17:55,710 --> 00:17:58,080 S2: In fact, it's just Marcus's character. And there are so 396 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,980 S2: many extended periods where you don't see carmy. You just 397 00:18:01,980 --> 00:18:04,650 S2: see these other characters. So I think a really interesting, 398 00:18:04,650 --> 00:18:07,919 S2: really complex we find out more about their inner lives. 399 00:18:08,130 --> 00:18:11,220 S2: It reminds me of like shows in the olden days, 400 00:18:11,220 --> 00:18:14,190 S2: like network TV shows where you just have a concept, 401 00:18:14,190 --> 00:18:17,100 S2: like there's a restaurant or they all live together or whatever, 402 00:18:17,100 --> 00:18:19,800 S2: but that's really just an excuse to get to know 403 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,010 S2: these half a dozen people, throw them in different situations 404 00:18:23,010 --> 00:18:25,500 S2: and see how they react. And I think the bears 405 00:18:25,500 --> 00:18:27,810 S2: closer to that than a lot of TV we've had lately. 406 00:18:27,810 --> 00:18:29,730 S2: And I kind of think it's one of these shows 407 00:18:29,730 --> 00:18:33,060 S2: where I would love like 20 episodes a year of 408 00:18:33,060 --> 00:18:36,330 S2: this to just go deep and have different episodes like 409 00:18:36,330 --> 00:18:40,139 S2: a Marcus episode, a ten episode, whatever, and go through 410 00:18:40,140 --> 00:18:42,660 S2: some like funny moments, some darker moments. I think the 411 00:18:42,660 --> 00:18:45,570 S2: structure of the show is there, but because of the 412 00:18:45,570 --> 00:18:47,939 S2: streaming era we kind of live in, it's still contained 413 00:18:47,940 --> 00:18:51,000 S2: to first date, then ten apps. I do have some 414 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,480 S2: mainly kind of like food related gripes to like what 415 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,490 S2: is going on, But we'll get to that in a minute. 416 00:18:56,490 --> 00:18:58,560 S2: But but Thomas, I feel like you are itching for 417 00:18:58,560 --> 00:18:59,879 S2: a chance to return serve to. 418 00:19:00,500 --> 00:19:04,020 S4: Uh, no. I mean, look, if you really look. 419 00:19:04,050 --> 00:19:05,490 S5: At the little apple crumble. 420 00:19:05,730 --> 00:19:07,350 S4: If you listen to what I said, I mean, listen 421 00:19:07,350 --> 00:19:09,270 S4: to what you said, it kind of is the same thing. 422 00:19:09,270 --> 00:19:12,119 S4: But I just don't see that as an issue because 423 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,070 S4: I don't think I'm as jaded or whatever. 424 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,070 S3: Yeah. And to be fair, I don't think like it's 425 00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:20,620 S3: a much, much, much better show than Ted Lasso. And 426 00:19:20,619 --> 00:19:22,540 S3: I do think it's a good show and one of 427 00:19:22,540 --> 00:19:24,160 S3: the best shows on TV at the moment, but I'm 428 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,649 S3: just not quite in your camp. If this is the 429 00:19:26,650 --> 00:19:29,500 S3: best thing culture has ever produced and will ever produce. 430 00:19:29,500 --> 00:19:32,560 S4: Yeah, I guess. I think what I like though is 431 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:33,850 S4: because I think it's fine to have a show that 432 00:19:33,850 --> 00:19:36,010 S4: is a little bit sweet or it is about like 433 00:19:36,010 --> 00:19:37,990 S4: a bunch of people trying to do better or trying 434 00:19:37,990 --> 00:19:40,450 S4: to improve themselves. But I think like the way it's 435 00:19:40,450 --> 00:19:42,939 S4: handled in the Bear is so much real. And what 436 00:19:42,940 --> 00:19:44,409 S4: I really liked is like, you know, season one was 437 00:19:44,410 --> 00:19:47,110 S4: very much about the cooking and like saving this restaurant 438 00:19:47,109 --> 00:19:48,790 S4: and it was amazing and we all loved it and 439 00:19:48,790 --> 00:19:51,640 S4: we loved the chaos of it. But then season two is, 440 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,889 S4: which I think if you're in the creative industry, you 441 00:19:53,890 --> 00:19:56,950 S4: can appreciate it very much, is it shifts from like 442 00:19:56,980 --> 00:19:59,230 S4: being in the kitchen and cooking to then actually like 443 00:19:59,410 --> 00:20:02,440 S4: what it's like to try and create something from scratch. 444 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,350 S4: And I love that idea and I love, you know, 445 00:20:05,470 --> 00:20:08,680 S4: like the anxiety I get watching them talk about like 446 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,300 S4: the bills that need to be paid, like the constant, 447 00:20:10,300 --> 00:20:12,369 S4: like updating the calendar with like this and this and 448 00:20:12,369 --> 00:20:14,830 S4: everything's falling apart and but like, they're all just like, 449 00:20:14,830 --> 00:20:17,830 S4: doing this, like, horrific grind because they really want to. 450 00:20:18,420 --> 00:20:20,760 S4: Come out of the other end with something that they've made. 451 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,449 S4: And I think that really appeals to a lot of people. 452 00:20:23,460 --> 00:20:25,110 S4: And on top of that, I also really think it's 453 00:20:25,109 --> 00:20:27,600 S4: impressive that they have The Bear was kind of famous 454 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,409 S4: for its like chaotic speed and everything was always happening 455 00:20:31,410 --> 00:20:34,350 S4: all at once. Whereas this season they've mixed two different 456 00:20:34,350 --> 00:20:37,649 S4: speeds and tones, like, you know, the Marcus episode or 457 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,470 S4: a few other moments in the show, like when Sydney 458 00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:42,090 S4: kind of does her food tour of Chicago and she's 459 00:20:42,090 --> 00:20:45,300 S4: trying to get inspiration, that's like it's almost like slow TV, 460 00:20:45,300 --> 00:20:48,870 S4: like it's like meditative and the music matches it and 461 00:20:48,869 --> 00:20:51,330 S4: it's like very just like it kind of pours over you. 462 00:20:51,330 --> 00:20:52,949 S4: And then at the same time, we still have the 463 00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:55,439 S4: chaos of them trying to get the bear up and running. 464 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:55,619 S4: You know? 465 00:20:55,650 --> 00:20:58,500 S2: Richie Basically every scene with Richie where he just screams 466 00:20:58,650 --> 00:20:59,910 S2: like my heart races. 467 00:20:59,910 --> 00:21:02,460 S4: Richie and fake talking to each other is just like 468 00:21:02,460 --> 00:21:05,909 S4: anxiety inducing. So yeah, I just I think also what 469 00:21:05,910 --> 00:21:07,619 S4: has impressed me so much and a lot of other 470 00:21:07,619 --> 00:21:09,359 S4: people in my echo chamber, which is where I get 471 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,240 S4: all of my views from, is that the bear has like, 472 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,820 S4: you know, second season syndrome is real and the bear 473 00:21:14,820 --> 00:21:17,910 S4: has like taken a swing for something different and kind 474 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:18,720 S4: of pulled it off. 475 00:21:18,780 --> 00:21:21,270 S3: But doesn't it doesn't annoy you like you don't feel 476 00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:23,970 S3: that they are forcing a learning down your throat and 477 00:21:23,970 --> 00:21:26,790 S3: the learning is really obvious. Like they all have to 478 00:21:26,790 --> 00:21:29,820 S3: do a little something to discover a little something about themselves. 479 00:21:29,820 --> 00:21:33,360 S3: I think that's what drives me mad that it's so unsubtle. 480 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,119 S2: Yeah, I've got some questions about some of that stuff, 481 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:40,080 S2: but I think what pulls me back in is character like. 482 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,260 S2: Tina right, who we've seen her arc over the course 483 00:21:43,260 --> 00:21:45,629 S2: of the first season and then the first half of 484 00:21:45,630 --> 00:21:48,720 S2: this season where she was really skeptical. And then she 485 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,300 S2: started to realize that actually this could work and she's 486 00:21:51,300 --> 00:21:54,900 S2: going to use her natural talent and like listen and become, 487 00:21:55,109 --> 00:21:57,690 S2: I guess, a more professional, serious chef. Like, that's a 488 00:21:57,690 --> 00:22:00,590 S2: cool story. And there's a moment where, like, carmy, like, 489 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,540 S2: gives her his knife and she's like, Oh, chef, this 490 00:22:03,540 --> 00:22:05,189 S2: is your knife. I just wanted another knife. He's like, 491 00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:07,650 S2: It's yours now. And her face lights up. And that's 492 00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:09,600 S2: a beautiful thing to say. And like, maybe it is 493 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,780 S2: like obvious or whatever, but that's a character I'm invested in. 494 00:22:12,780 --> 00:22:14,940 S2: I've been invested in for like over a year right now, 495 00:22:14,940 --> 00:22:18,540 S2: and she is experiencing something really amazing and we're seeing 496 00:22:18,540 --> 00:22:22,709 S2: that growth being shown rather than than told. And I'm like, 497 00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:24,390 S2: What else do I want from TV? Really? 498 00:22:24,540 --> 00:22:27,270 S4: Yeah, me too. Like, I think, I mean, you and 499 00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:29,760 S4: I probably differ in that I'm probably happier to suspend 500 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,220 S4: disbelief for certain things. Like this is not succession, you know, 501 00:22:32,220 --> 00:22:35,010 S4: and that's fine. As much as I love succession, still 502 00:22:35,010 --> 00:22:38,040 S4: processing the trauma from that show. But you know, I'm 503 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,980 S4: okay to be like this. This can be a little bit, 504 00:22:40,980 --> 00:22:44,520 S4: you know, unbelievable. And even I don't really think it is. 505 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,709 S4: But like the fact that there is maybe like a 506 00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:49,619 S4: message in each episode that doesn't really like faze me. 507 00:22:49,770 --> 00:22:52,080 S4: I also don't I don't think that there is as 508 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,880 S4: much learning as it may be. Seems to be like 509 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,580 S4: Carmy is making all the same mistakes as far as 510 00:22:56,580 --> 00:22:58,470 S4: we can see that he made in season one. Like 511 00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:59,940 S4: the big kind of like is he he's. 512 00:22:59,940 --> 00:23:02,699 S3: Having a journey of self-discovery with his new girlfriend. 513 00:23:02,700 --> 00:23:04,709 S4: No, we'll get to her. But no, but like at 514 00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:06,720 S4: the end of season one, he has a big fight 515 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,850 S4: with Sydney and she leaves. And then, you know, the 516 00:23:08,850 --> 00:23:11,280 S4: end of season one, she. She comes back, he apologizes, 517 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,280 S4: and then they make this decision to go all in 518 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,699 S4: together as partners on the bear. And then, you know, 519 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,950 S4: we've seen the first five episodes and it's very obvious that. 520 00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:21,000 S2: A lot of tension. 521 00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:24,840 S4: So much tension and he's not really it's like is 522 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,210 S4: not a bad guy in the way of other kind 523 00:23:27,210 --> 00:23:30,359 S4: of like anti-heroes that we get in TV as a. 524 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,790 S3: Representative of Carmy and he's kind speaking. 525 00:23:33,090 --> 00:23:35,580 S4: Speaking for me and and the calm cool No but 526 00:23:35,580 --> 00:23:37,770 S4: like he's he's almost like too much of a, like, 527 00:23:37,770 --> 00:23:41,070 S4: insular genius chef guy that he can't like he doesn't 528 00:23:41,070 --> 00:23:43,230 S4: realize what he's doing to people around. Yeah, his. 529 00:23:43,230 --> 00:23:45,270 S2: Flaws are really obvious. And they let him make them 530 00:23:45,270 --> 00:23:46,770 S2: again and again. And we're supposed to be a bit 531 00:23:46,770 --> 00:23:49,290 S2: annoyed at him. I think, throughout a lot of the 532 00:23:49,290 --> 00:23:50,280 S2: first half of this season. 533 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,379 S4: Yeah. And I really enjoying the Syd and Carmy kind 534 00:23:52,380 --> 00:23:53,340 S4: of dynamic so far. 535 00:23:53,340 --> 00:23:55,860 S3: Yeah, I will agree that that relationship I think is 536 00:23:55,859 --> 00:23:58,380 S3: really interesting and they've done a great job in developing 537 00:23:58,380 --> 00:23:59,880 S3: that from the first season. 538 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:01,649 S2: I want to ask about a couple of things that 539 00:24:01,650 --> 00:24:03,780 S2: I think make absolutely no sense in this show, and 540 00:24:03,780 --> 00:24:06,330 S2: I think it normally wouldn't annoy me that much, but 541 00:24:06,330 --> 00:24:09,090 S2: I thought the first show was so good at being 542 00:24:09,090 --> 00:24:11,879 S2: so visceral and so gritty and really recreating that sense 543 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,070 S2: of chaos in a kitchen like that. And it was 544 00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:16,740 S2: praised by people from the hospice scene around the world. 545 00:24:16,740 --> 00:24:18,750 S2: And then this one, it's a little bit more ambitious 546 00:24:18,750 --> 00:24:21,360 S2: because they're building their own restaurant. Two things here that 547 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,760 S2: make no sense to me. The first is, so they're 548 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,920 S2: on this tight budget. They're really stressed. They're in debt 549 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,890 S2: to the uncle, but they've got the money to send 550 00:24:28,890 --> 00:24:31,500 S2: two of their chefs to like cooking school. And then 551 00:24:31,500 --> 00:24:33,750 S2: Marcus just goes to Copenhagen for an and it's like 552 00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:37,260 S2: that meme of like, please, my expenses $100 for electricity, 553 00:24:37,260 --> 00:24:40,980 S2: $200 for water, $1 million for Copenhagen. Like pastry chef, 554 00:24:40,980 --> 00:24:43,890 S2: like no wonder your restaurant is like, maybe you worry 555 00:24:43,890 --> 00:24:48,060 S2: about the walls and the plastering before sending him to learn, like, 556 00:24:48,060 --> 00:24:49,889 S2: delicious pastry cooking in Copenhagen. 557 00:24:49,890 --> 00:24:51,419 S3: And they just gloss over it, don't they? They just say, 558 00:24:51,420 --> 00:24:53,340 S3: oh yes, we've factored this into the budget. 559 00:24:53,340 --> 00:24:56,040 S2: Yeah. And then my second one, so you've got this 560 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,980 S2: great idea to make a fine dining restaurant, but you 561 00:24:58,980 --> 00:25:01,410 S2: have no idea what food you want to cook. That's 562 00:25:01,410 --> 00:25:03,690 S2: like Raoul putting the cart before the horse. It's like, 563 00:25:03,690 --> 00:25:05,460 S2: we want a restaurant. We want it to be great. 564 00:25:05,460 --> 00:25:07,200 S2: We have no idea what the hell we will serve 565 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,169 S2: to people. Kind of keeps talking about chaos. Menu. Chaos 566 00:25:10,170 --> 00:25:13,320 S2: Menu like that is made up term. What does that mean? 567 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,530 S2: And they still don't seem to know what they're doing there. 568 00:25:16,770 --> 00:25:18,840 S2: Maybe it's because I. Think about this stuff too much. 569 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,680 S2: But did either of those things stick out to you guys? 570 00:25:21,690 --> 00:25:23,939 S2: Are we just supposed to roll with it as the 571 00:25:23,940 --> 00:25:25,740 S2: plot point for this season? 572 00:25:25,770 --> 00:25:29,070 S3: Yeah, I agreed in that description of the menu when 573 00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:31,050 S3: when they're like, we don't really when Sidney was trying 574 00:25:31,050 --> 00:25:32,940 S3: to explain it to her dad, it's a bit high. 575 00:25:32,940 --> 00:25:36,000 S3: It's a bit low. It's chaos, but it's ordered. I 576 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,939 S3: kind of think both of them wouldn't they have real 577 00:25:38,940 --> 00:25:42,000 S3: clear visions of chefs about the kind of food they 578 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,070 S3: want to create? As I was going to ask you, 579 00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:46,409 S3: obviously one of the big plot points is Sydney really 580 00:25:46,410 --> 00:25:49,020 S3: wants to get a star. Do you care much about 581 00:25:49,020 --> 00:25:51,030 S3: stars as a restauranteur yourself? 582 00:25:51,060 --> 00:25:53,820 S2: Well, there is. I think there's a moment of conversation 583 00:25:53,820 --> 00:25:57,150 S2: with her and another chef that I found so interesting 584 00:25:57,150 --> 00:25:59,670 S2: and so smart is getting a star or what? We're 585 00:25:59,670 --> 00:26:02,130 S2: in Australia with the good food guide here called Hats 586 00:26:02,130 --> 00:26:05,040 S2: is almost like a blessing and a curse because obviously 587 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,650 S2: it says that you as a chef and as a restaurant, 588 00:26:07,650 --> 00:26:09,629 S2: front of house team, all of that have created something 589 00:26:09,630 --> 00:26:12,990 S2: really special that deserves to be highlighted and people should come. 590 00:26:12,990 --> 00:26:16,139 S2: But once you have that, you can only lose it, right? 591 00:26:16,140 --> 00:26:17,790 S2: You either keep it or you lose it. And so 592 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,550 S2: the pressure and stress you get, I think it's actually 593 00:26:20,550 --> 00:26:23,159 S2: carmy maybe that talks to Syd about this, about the 594 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,189 S2: tension of, well, now it's not just can we get it, 595 00:26:26,190 --> 00:26:28,590 S2: it's how do we not lose it? And that can 596 00:26:28,590 --> 00:26:31,199 S2: really change the dynamic. And you hear a lot of 597 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,590 S2: chefs talk about the pressure and the stress that that 598 00:26:34,590 --> 00:26:37,110 S2: leads to. So it's like a poisoned chalice in a way. 599 00:26:37,109 --> 00:26:39,930 S2: And I think the show is really smart at grappling 600 00:26:39,930 --> 00:26:42,030 S2: with with that part of chef. 601 00:26:42,450 --> 00:26:44,070 S4: I would say I think you're right in terms of 602 00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:47,310 S4: the menu thing. Like, you know, Carmy is a essentially 603 00:26:47,310 --> 00:26:48,960 S4: like a bit of a hotshot in the fine dining scene. 604 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,430 S4: He would have an idea of the food he wants 605 00:26:50,430 --> 00:26:52,920 S4: to cook. But I guess that would again, you know, 606 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,859 S4: I'm obviously somehow I found myself the defender of the bear. 607 00:26:55,859 --> 00:26:58,050 S4: I guess for the sake of good TV, it makes 608 00:26:58,380 --> 00:27:00,899 S4: for a better storyline that they are creating the menu 609 00:27:00,900 --> 00:27:03,330 S4: while also doing all this other stuff. I do think 610 00:27:03,330 --> 00:27:05,100 S4: that I didn't have as much of an issue with 611 00:27:05,100 --> 00:27:07,710 S4: like them sending the guys to school and Marcus going 612 00:27:07,710 --> 00:27:10,710 S4: to Copenhagen because I think it's pretty clear like that 613 00:27:10,890 --> 00:27:13,980 S4: Uncle Jimmy has a fair bit of cash and they're 614 00:27:13,980 --> 00:27:16,290 S4: obviously just like, okay, we're going to borrow as much. 615 00:27:16,290 --> 00:27:18,209 S4: And they set themselves as crazy. Deadline to pay it 616 00:27:18,210 --> 00:27:20,820 S4: back like 18 months. But I don't think like necessarily 617 00:27:20,820 --> 00:27:24,330 S4: the cash flow, like actually getting the money is an 618 00:27:24,330 --> 00:27:26,820 S4: issue like he seems to have a fair bit of money. Also, 619 00:27:26,820 --> 00:27:28,740 S4: I think the Marcus thing like he's he's going there 620 00:27:28,740 --> 00:27:30,929 S4: to work for free. He's staying where Carmy stay. It 621 00:27:30,930 --> 00:27:33,270 S4: seems like there's a lot of favors being called in 622 00:27:33,270 --> 00:27:35,820 S4: and so I don't think that would be crazy expensive. 623 00:27:35,820 --> 00:27:38,160 S2: That is also another really that's a really real thing. 624 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:39,990 S2: Like a lot of like really great fun dining chefs 625 00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:43,170 S2: who've done stints in Copenhagen. Like, that's what they do. 626 00:27:43,170 --> 00:27:45,270 S2: They find the next upcoming talent and they send them 627 00:27:45,270 --> 00:27:47,640 S2: there to a guy they learnt from. It's a really 628 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,430 S2: cool thing to see. Are your guy directed that episode? 629 00:27:50,430 --> 00:27:51,990 S2: Thomas You want to talk a bit about how you 630 00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:53,040 S2: found that fourth EP? 631 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,660 S4: Yeah, so that's kind of one of the ones that's 632 00:27:54,660 --> 00:27:58,169 S4: had a lot of attention so far. Probably the biggest, 633 00:27:58,350 --> 00:28:01,290 S4: most talked about episode so far is Episode six Fishers, 634 00:28:01,290 --> 00:28:02,879 S4: but we'll talk about that next week. But this is 635 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,100 S4: probably the next one that's created the most buzz. It's 636 00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:07,859 S4: called Honeydew, and it's kind of Marcus's episode. It's a 637 00:28:07,859 --> 00:28:11,399 S4: bottle episode. So essentially we just spend time with him. Yeah, 638 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,560 S4: I think Lionel Boyce, who plays Marcus, is like a 639 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,600 S4: bit of a fan favorite. And, you know, the series 640 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,659 S4: actually opens with him. His mother is in hospital passing away. 641 00:28:18,660 --> 00:28:20,160 S4: And you get the sense that this is a guy 642 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,350 S4: that spent his whole life in Chicago and we slowly 643 00:28:22,350 --> 00:28:24,709 S4: learn about him throughout this episode. But I just think 644 00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:27,929 S4: it's a really beautiful episode. It's directed by Rami Yusuf, 645 00:28:27,930 --> 00:28:29,820 S4: who we all kind of love, his his work and 646 00:28:29,820 --> 00:28:33,180 S4: his show. Rami And it's just like this. He like, 647 00:28:33,180 --> 00:28:35,040 S4: goes out into the world for the first time, essentially. 648 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,899 S4: Like this is a guy who only started making bread 649 00:28:36,900 --> 00:28:39,840 S4: 18 months ago, and now he's really found, I guess, 650 00:28:40,020 --> 00:28:45,720 S4: his purpose passing out from the sickly sweetness of it all. And, 651 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,120 S4: you know, he goes and learns from this chef who 652 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,120 S4: is played by English actor Will Poulter. He plays this chef, 653 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,440 S4: Luca and and their. 654 00:28:52,530 --> 00:28:54,600 S2: Guy from where the Millers. Great film. 655 00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:55,380 S4: It's really sad. 656 00:28:55,380 --> 00:28:57,180 S2: A real glow. A huge glow up this guy. 657 00:28:57,180 --> 00:28:59,700 S4: Yeah, he's kind of like euro carmy like same Patrick 658 00:28:59,700 --> 00:29:02,070 S4: cats and and you know, same kind of like is 659 00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:03,030 S4: he a bad guy? Is he a good guy? He 660 00:29:03,030 --> 00:29:05,220 S4: turns out to be a really great guy. And, you know, 661 00:29:05,460 --> 00:29:07,170 S4: it's a beautiful episode. But one thing I really love 662 00:29:07,170 --> 00:29:11,370 S4: was Luca and Marcus have this conversation about excellence, I think, 663 00:29:11,370 --> 00:29:13,890 S4: which is a fixation in hospitality, and especially if you're 664 00:29:13,890 --> 00:29:17,460 S4: a chef, is this search for excellence and and Luca 665 00:29:17,460 --> 00:29:18,780 S4: kind of talks to him and he's like, look, you know, 666 00:29:18,780 --> 00:29:21,090 S4: I gave up trying to be the best. And that's 667 00:29:21,090 --> 00:29:23,430 S4: when I became the best version of myself or the 668 00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:25,470 S4: best chef I can be. And he actually talks about, 669 00:29:25,470 --> 00:29:26,640 S4: you know, there was this other guy that I was 670 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,450 S4: cooking with in Copenhagen who we assume is probably Carmy, 671 00:29:30,450 --> 00:29:33,750 S4: who worked at at Nomad in the Shows universe. And 672 00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:37,469 S4: basically they talk about, you know, to to try and 673 00:29:37,470 --> 00:29:39,450 S4: be the best as something is a guaranteed way to 674 00:29:39,450 --> 00:29:42,660 S4: drive yourself mad because it's impossible to achieve that. But 675 00:29:42,660 --> 00:29:44,280 S4: what Luca says is that I just tried to be 676 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,200 S4: as close to him as I could be, and that 677 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,760 S4: was a way to improve. 678 00:29:47,940 --> 00:29:49,260 S3: I think it is so good that they got Brené 679 00:29:49,260 --> 00:29:50,910 S3: Brown on the writing team for this. 680 00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:52,860 S2: I love that. Yeah, I was going to say, I 681 00:29:52,860 --> 00:29:54,990 S2: love that Thomas was like taking notes during this and 682 00:29:54,990 --> 00:29:57,120 S2: it was really heartfelt. This is great stuff. How to 683 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,700 S2: be better at meals, just like dry retching into a bucket. 684 00:29:59,820 --> 00:30:02,310 S3: He's like, he's printed them all out around his desk 685 00:30:02,310 --> 00:30:04,620 S3: for when he writes his column. I will say, though, 686 00:30:04,620 --> 00:30:08,230 S3: I did. I really did enjoy all the food shots in. 687 00:30:08,620 --> 00:30:09,090 S3: I like the. 688 00:30:09,090 --> 00:30:09,430 S6: Food. 689 00:30:10,650 --> 00:30:12,270 S2: And they'll just want to watch Chef's Table. 690 00:30:12,270 --> 00:30:14,670 S3: I think so, maybe. And to the point of like 691 00:30:14,670 --> 00:30:16,890 S3: why Cydney had to go on her own arc as 692 00:30:16,890 --> 00:30:19,190 S3: well as Marcus. I do think that did give them 693 00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:22,520 S3: a chance to show different styles of cooking and food 694 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,130 S3: being made and their connection with food, which I thought 695 00:30:25,130 --> 00:30:25,850 S3: was quite good. 696 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,260 S2: One of the few kind of new characters added to 697 00:30:30,260 --> 00:30:33,320 S2: the cast for season two is Molly Gordon, who plays 698 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,979 S2: this character, Claire, who is, I guess, Comey's love interest. 699 00:30:36,980 --> 00:30:39,950 S2: At least that's what we've seen from the first five apps. 700 00:30:39,980 --> 00:30:42,860 S2: I have a feeling that on this one, Mel, you 701 00:30:42,860 --> 00:30:47,240 S2: and I are in more agreement about this character. I 702 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,940 S2: do not like Claire at all as a character. Like 703 00:30:49,940 --> 00:30:52,490 S2: not a knock on Molly Gordon. She's great in Booksmart. 704 00:30:52,490 --> 00:30:56,330 S2: She's doing the best, but she kind of is just 705 00:30:56,330 --> 00:31:00,260 S2: there to like be a girl. For Kami to help 706 00:31:00,260 --> 00:31:04,460 S2: Kami discover life outside of the kitchen, it's very unclear, 707 00:31:04,460 --> 00:31:07,969 S2: like what her motivations are. It's the return to the 708 00:31:07,970 --> 00:31:10,490 S2: manic Pixie dream Girl thing that I think we thought 709 00:31:10,490 --> 00:31:13,970 S2: we left behind in the 2000. Maybe like it gets 710 00:31:13,970 --> 00:31:15,920 S2: a little bit more complicated in the second half of 711 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,680 S2: this season. But just the whole like, I will whisk 712 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,740 S2: you away into this party. That's an episode five and 713 00:31:21,740 --> 00:31:24,560 S2: you'll have this great experience and then you'll open your 714 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,870 S2: eyes and like you'll be a more rounded human being. 715 00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:30,050 S2: Like if she sort of just like, shimmied away and 716 00:31:30,050 --> 00:31:31,850 S2: like went into the background or turned into a bunch 717 00:31:31,850 --> 00:31:34,280 S2: of stars, like, I wouldn't be surprised. I don't think 718 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,490 S2: she's a real person. How do you feel about her? 719 00:31:37,790 --> 00:31:40,850 S3: Yeah, I agree completely with you. And also there were 720 00:31:40,850 --> 00:31:44,209 S3: so many like shots of them or particularly Kami looking 721 00:31:44,210 --> 00:31:44,810 S3: at her. 722 00:31:44,810 --> 00:31:45,680 S4: Like she's very. 723 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:46,430 S6: Attractive. I was like. 724 00:31:46,430 --> 00:31:48,530 S3: How many more do we need? Like, do you need 725 00:31:48,530 --> 00:31:49,990 S3: to make the male gaze any clearer? 726 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,830 S2: And if they really they really have close ups on 727 00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:55,070 S2: her face when they do that, it's like she's this big, beautiful, 728 00:31:55,070 --> 00:31:57,440 S2: like sunlight in his life and we get it. But 729 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,150 S2: that's also what annoys me about it. 730 00:31:59,150 --> 00:32:00,110 S3: Yeah, agree. 731 00:32:00,110 --> 00:32:02,390 S2: Thomas. I feel like you're, you're just champing at the 732 00:32:02,390 --> 00:32:03,620 S2: bit to say how wrong we are. 733 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,260 S4: Well, I mean, you guys have been wrong the whole episode. So. 734 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,100 S4: Especially you male. 735 00:32:07,100 --> 00:32:08,270 S2: I said, I agree with you. 736 00:32:08,270 --> 00:32:10,940 S4: I think it's a great show. Okay. Firstly, no, I'll 737 00:32:10,940 --> 00:32:13,820 S4: hand up on this one because I, as you know, Mel, 738 00:32:13,820 --> 00:32:16,250 S4: love a manic pixie dream girl both on screen and 739 00:32:16,270 --> 00:32:16,520 S4: in my. 740 00:32:16,910 --> 00:32:18,830 S2: Surprising thing I've ever heard. 741 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,710 S4: Have you guys ever seen Garden State? It's actually pretty groovy. 742 00:32:22,610 --> 00:32:23,030 S6: Yeah. 743 00:32:23,030 --> 00:32:24,500 S4: So, no, Look, I'm here for. 744 00:32:24,620 --> 00:32:25,430 S2: The cop guy. 745 00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:29,110 S4: I do. I do see what you're saying. I was, like, 746 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,310 S4: not surprised. They decided to introduce a love interest for 747 00:32:31,330 --> 00:32:32,959 S4: Kami because it was such a big thing in the 748 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,820 S4: first season that they did it, and everyone was so, like, 749 00:32:34,820 --> 00:32:36,860 S4: thirsty for Kami anyway. And I think it would have 750 00:32:36,860 --> 00:32:40,280 S4: been no, but like, you know, the whole yes, chef thing, blah, blah, blah. 751 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,320 S4: The internet was like, Oh, it's so sexy, even though 752 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,090 S4: there was like no sex. But I had a feeling 753 00:32:44,090 --> 00:32:46,550 S4: they would not do that again. And I like it. 754 00:32:46,550 --> 00:32:48,800 S4: I mean, like, what you're saying is all probably valid, 755 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,719 S4: but I'm never going to complain about two really good 756 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,900 S4: looking people staring at each other at a party for ages. Like, 757 00:32:53,900 --> 00:32:56,300 S4: I'm cool with that and I enjoy the vibe. Like 758 00:32:56,300 --> 00:32:59,360 S4: Kami is a fucking weirdo. Like he gives her the 759 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,330 S4: wrong number. He's obviously he needs some coaxing out and 760 00:33:02,330 --> 00:33:04,220 S4: I think they do. Like they probably don't do a 761 00:33:04,220 --> 00:33:06,530 S4: good enough job, but they do try and set up that. 762 00:33:06,530 --> 00:33:08,870 S4: There is a backstory and this comes in like later 763 00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:11,120 S4: as well, that there is a backstory to Kami and 764 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,970 S4: Claire that extends beyond their meeting up at the fridge 765 00:33:13,970 --> 00:33:16,790 S4: and bumping into each other or whatever. So yeah, like 766 00:33:16,790 --> 00:33:17,870 S4: I don't have an issue with it. 767 00:33:17,870 --> 00:33:20,840 S2: I do like when she interacts with like his sister 768 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,420 S2: and with cousin, and that sort of speaks to this 769 00:33:23,420 --> 00:33:25,850 S2: broader world. I think that's what the show is. One 770 00:33:25,850 --> 00:33:27,800 S2: of the best things about the show really, is when 771 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,890 S2: you see these like bits connecting together and it really 772 00:33:30,890 --> 00:33:33,410 S2: makes you feel like this world is real. And these 773 00:33:33,410 --> 00:33:36,530 S2: characters have been around for decades and know each other. 774 00:33:36,740 --> 00:33:38,990 S2: And I think that's to go back to our earlier 775 00:33:38,990 --> 00:33:41,480 S2: point about why I think it could be like a 776 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,320 S2: 20 episode sort of show each season is I just 777 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,190 S2: love feeling like comfortable in that sort of environment. I 778 00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:51,710 S2: want to watch something where I'm like, Great, this is real. 779 00:33:51,710 --> 00:33:54,320 S2: This is fun. Low stakes Chicago food. I love the 780 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,110 S2: family history. I love the romance stuff. That's what brings 781 00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:57,890 S2: me the most joy. 782 00:33:57,890 --> 00:34:00,290 S3: And in terms of like plot development, it's probably quite 783 00:34:00,290 --> 00:34:02,630 S3: handy to have a doctor on the cast as well 784 00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:05,580 S3: because there are a lot of injuries going on in 785 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:06,230 S3: the restaurant. 786 00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:08,960 S2: Yeah, Richie is going to kill himself and everyone else 787 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,840 S2: involved by the time the restaurant is built. Okay, so 788 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,049 S2: we've been talking about episodes 1 to 5. There's five 789 00:34:15,050 --> 00:34:18,049 S2: more after that. And the very next episode, Episode six 790 00:34:18,050 --> 00:34:20,540 S2: is the one that's got the most hype, I think 791 00:34:20,540 --> 00:34:22,310 S2: because of the guest cast, because of the way it's 792 00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:25,910 S2: sort of been kind of shot and told Thomas, Give 793 00:34:25,910 --> 00:34:27,830 S2: us a bit of a preview of like what's in 794 00:34:27,830 --> 00:34:29,480 S2: store for the rest of this season. 795 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,959 S4: Yes, well, firstly, I fucking lost my mind watching episode six. 796 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,060 S4: It's so good. It's so good. 797 00:34:35,060 --> 00:34:36,560 S3: Do you think it will change? Do you think it 798 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,410 S3: will change my mind? I'll come back next week with them. Yeah, 799 00:34:38,420 --> 00:34:38,660 S3: because I. 800 00:34:38,660 --> 00:34:41,810 S4: Think you're kind of like. You're like, let me use 801 00:34:41,810 --> 00:34:44,029 S4: a few genealogy. You're like a really well done steak. 802 00:34:44,030 --> 00:34:45,980 S4: You're beyond taste now. 803 00:34:46,250 --> 00:34:46,469 S6: Yeah. 804 00:34:47,810 --> 00:34:48,890 S4: No, I think. 805 00:34:48,890 --> 00:34:50,060 S3: I'm going to have to sit with that. 806 00:34:50,060 --> 00:34:50,450 S6: One. 807 00:34:50,750 --> 00:34:53,090 S2: Now, if you want to make a calendar, invite with 808 00:34:53,090 --> 00:34:55,219 S2: me to talk about that comment. I'm more than. 809 00:34:55,219 --> 00:34:55,700 S6: Happy to. 810 00:34:57,020 --> 00:34:59,090 S4: Put it on the giant calendar next to like opening soon. 811 00:34:59,090 --> 00:35:01,750 S4: And no episode six really is amazing though. And I 812 00:35:01,750 --> 00:35:03,170 S4: think lot of people are talking about that. That is 813 00:35:03,170 --> 00:35:05,569 S4: essentially where we will see all these incredible guest stars 814 00:35:05,570 --> 00:35:07,520 S4: that have been hyped. So we've got Jamie Lee Curtis, 815 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,580 S4: Gillian Jacobs, John Mulaney, Sarah Paulson. 816 00:35:10,910 --> 00:35:13,219 S2: Everyone who isn't in Killers of the Flower Moon or 817 00:35:13,219 --> 00:35:15,260 S2: an Oppenheimer six of the Bear. 818 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:16,069 S6: Season two, like. 819 00:35:16,070 --> 00:35:17,630 S4: The WhatsApp thread, will light up as soon as. 820 00:35:18,110 --> 00:35:19,630 S6: Right. Guaranteed. Yeah. 821 00:35:19,630 --> 00:35:21,490 S4: And then and of course, we'll be covering the other 822 00:35:21,489 --> 00:35:23,649 S4: four episodes on the end of the series. Yeah. So 823 00:35:23,650 --> 00:35:26,950 S4: I'm very excited for that. Naturally, as, as the only 824 00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:28,989 S4: person allowed to do bear PR right now because the 825 00:35:28,989 --> 00:35:30,730 S4: rest of the cast is on strike. Yeah, that's what's 826 00:35:30,730 --> 00:35:31,450 S4: coming next week. 827 00:35:31,450 --> 00:35:33,910 S2: All right. So we'll be back next week with our 828 00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:36,310 S2: second kind of deep dive on the show. And who knows, 829 00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:39,940 S2: probably still some more. Bobby and Oppenheimer wash up just 830 00:35:39,940 --> 00:35:43,000 S2: because I have a feeling they'll be takes coming thick 831 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,830 S2: and fast and there'll be a lot more to be 832 00:35:44,830 --> 00:35:48,089 S2: said about how many people are watching these films. Thomas Michel, 833 00:35:48,130 --> 00:35:50,470 S2: as usual, thank you both so much. 834 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:51,880 S3: Thank you, chef. Let it rip. 835 00:35:56,030 --> 00:35:59,210 S2: This episode of The Drop was produced by Kai Wong. 836 00:35:59,870 --> 00:36:02,420 S2: If you enjoyed listening to today's episode of The Drop, 837 00:36:02,420 --> 00:36:05,220 S2: make sure to follow us in your favorite podcast app. 838 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,670 S2: Leave us a review or better yet, share it with 839 00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:10,669 S2: a friend. I'm Osman Farooqui. See you next week.