WEBVTT - Remarkable Australian: Nick Kaldas

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<v Speaker 1>It's weekends on two GBN four BC with Luke Grant

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday Morning. This is a time where we spotlight and

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<v Speaker 1>Australian who's done extraordinary things. It's Nick caldus Ao. He

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<v Speaker 1>was rightfully honored amongst the King's Birthday honors announced just

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<v Speaker 1>a week ago. He's currently the Assistant Commander in chief

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<v Speaker 1>of the Abu Dhabi Police Force and, amongst other things,

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<v Speaker 1>one of Australia's most significant police officers. I'm delighted to

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<v Speaker 1>say he's on the line from Abu Derby. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for your time. You must be somewhat humbled, my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>It is. I'm very humbled, Luke, and I'm very grateful.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope in some ways it's not just a recognition

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<v Speaker 2>of me. It's a recognition of all the communities, including

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<v Speaker 2>my own Arabic community, the Egyptian community, the Coptor community

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm not only a part of, but I've worked

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<v Speaker 2>very close to you with and the supported me out

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<v Speaker 2>of decades. Yeah, and I hope it's a recognition of

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<v Speaker 2>these class police men and women as well, who spent

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<v Speaker 2>the best part of four decades, you know, being a

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<v Speaker 2>part of So I'm very grateful and humbledt just came

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<v Speaker 2>out of left field, but I'm very grateful.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me about how Nick, born in Egypt ends up

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<v Speaker 1>with the family in Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>My grade in nineteen sixty nine, and I always was

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<v Speaker 2>a very cold July day where arrived in the city

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<v Speaker 2>and we didn't know anyone or anything, which makes a

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<v Speaker 2>little more remarkable. I look at where I've been, what

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<v Speaker 2>I've done, I don't know how I've got you. We

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<v Speaker 2>came and we settled in Maryville initially and then moved

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<v Speaker 2>around to Sydney for a little while. I joined the police,

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<v Speaker 2>and when I'm from there that I think. One thing

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<v Speaker 2>my father, who passed away many years ago, instilled in

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<v Speaker 2>all of us is about hard work, doing the right thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and actually caring about people and as you go along

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<v Speaker 2>in your way. And I hope I've done that along

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<v Speaker 2>the way. But you know, I look back on it

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<v Speaker 2>all work and I just feel ddibly blessed to have

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<v Speaker 2>worked for the people I've worked with and done of

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<v Speaker 2>the things I've done.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you always want to be a copper or was

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<v Speaker 1>that something that you know, it seemed like a good

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<v Speaker 1>idea at the time. Did you grow up wanting to

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<v Speaker 1>be in the police force.

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<v Speaker 2>I did actually very much so, and all my family

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<v Speaker 2>expected I'll do it sooner or later. It took me

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<v Speaker 2>a little while, but I actually didn't see colors tall enough.

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<v Speaker 2>And in the late seventies and early eighties there were

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<v Speaker 2>height requirements for yourself after police. When I finally got

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<v Speaker 2>up there got some went in the Crease headquarters that

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<v Speaker 2>in what is what used to be the Avery building

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<v Speaker 2>in the College Street. I was tall enough, there was

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<v Speaker 2>no problem. I was actually too skinny. You didn't believe

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<v Speaker 2>that now, But I had to put on a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of wa.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, you've you've got to you've got to

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<v Speaker 1>be got to make yourself strong. That's what you've got

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<v Speaker 1>to do. Your need food, don't you.

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<v Speaker 2>You let's refer yeah, but yeah now and then once

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<v Speaker 2>I applied, I if you went in and the class

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<v Speaker 2>that I went through, the class one, seven nine, we're

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<v Speaker 2>just fantastic and we're still in touch most of us,

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<v Speaker 2>and jeez have reunions.

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<v Speaker 1>And then, Jeez, in all the work you've done, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's you know, it's a bit like talking to a

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<v Speaker 1>footballer and asking them their favorite performance. But you've been

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<v Speaker 1>you've worked in the homicide squad, obviously involved in some

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<v Speaker 1>of the most complex, high profile murder investigations. Is there

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<v Speaker 1>one that not necessarily sticks out because you know you've

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<v Speaker 1>got the job done quickly, but was perhaps complicated and

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<v Speaker 1>required excellent policing to get a result. Is there is

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<v Speaker 1>there one that you particularly reflect on.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good question. I'm a bit low to sort

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<v Speaker 2>of seeing one out, But I guess the one that

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<v Speaker 2>took the longest and was in many ways satisfying to resolve,

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<v Speaker 2>what's the murder of John Newman, the member of Parliament. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it took seven or eight years for us to get

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<v Speaker 2>a conviction, and the other seven and eight years where

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<v Speaker 2>there it appears all the way to the High Court

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<v Speaker 2>was convicted, that he sentenced to life and never to

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<v Speaker 2>be released. And it's made out in my mind that

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<v Speaker 2>he did it, and that he's planned an inquiry, a

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<v Speaker 2>raw commission if you like, into his conviction, which was

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<v Speaker 2>essentially an inquiry to what we said and did fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>years before. So it was quite torturous, and that it was.

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<v Speaker 2>I never heard any of my teammates say, look, it's

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<v Speaker 2>too hard, I want to get out. We're all stuck

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<v Speaker 2>to the task. We all stuck together, and I among

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<v Speaker 2>my closest friends, and I'm really proud of all of

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<v Speaker 2>them and the fact that we've stuck together and got

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<v Speaker 2>a job done.

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<v Speaker 1>I know this is probably a bit of a Hollywood thing,

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<v Speaker 1>but Nick, how do you stop something like that, which

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<v Speaker 1>I guess to some extent becomes an obsession? How do

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<v Speaker 1>you stop it overtaking your life? Can you actually do that?

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<v Speaker 1>Because you end up living and breathing this thing, don't you?

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<v Speaker 2>You do the real danger of that. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>I've had over a decade in the homicide squad, and

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<v Speaker 2>you do learn to sort of not compartmentalize. But work

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<v Speaker 2>is work, home, his own family's family, and you try

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<v Speaker 2>and not let it intrude on your thoughts while you're

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<v Speaker 2>with home and family and so on. I think most

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<v Speaker 2>of us are pretty good with that. But this was

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<v Speaker 2>quite significant, look because it was described by the certaencing

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<v Speaker 2>judge Justice Dunfords a political assassination man who was killed

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<v Speaker 2>not because of what, you know, anything he did, but

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<v Speaker 2>because of simply who he was. And it was pretty

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<v Speaker 2>clear that the fellow who killed him from you know,

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<v Speaker 2>was his political opponent and wasn't going to get anywhere

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<v Speaker 2>until he got rid of in so he thought, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that out he did. It was quite tragic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was. Yeah. I'll ask you quick. I'm kind

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<v Speaker 1>of uncomfortable, but I want to I remember a number

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<v Speaker 1>of colleagues, might even include me. This radio station thought

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<v Speaker 1>that you were the perfect appointment as police commissioner. You

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<v Speaker 1>decided to step away and pursue something different. Can you

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<v Speaker 1>look back at that fondly? Do you look back at

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<v Speaker 1>that with frustration? I probably shouldn't pry, because I had

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<v Speaker 1>great respect for you, But I want to ask you that, mate.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate that you that's a good cause. There's no

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<v Speaker 2>disrespect man, and I'm not offended in any way. Look up,

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<v Speaker 2>I need thirty five years commissioner. At the time ender

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<v Speaker 2>script he only got another four or five year contract.

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<v Speaker 2>If he wasn't going anywhere, and one's being offered all

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<v Speaker 2>sorts of things, I decided it was time to go.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't look back with any sense of frustration. I've

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<v Speaker 2>said in the book I've written. I regret nothing. I

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<v Speaker 2>moved on. I made a decision consciously not to stay

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<v Speaker 2>in Sidney once I got out. Would I should I

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<v Speaker 2>was never really me, and I took on the leadership.

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<v Speaker 2>Well we investigate, You're not a nation of investigation. The

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the workers in Syria yep. And then a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of other things. Obvious thinking in the world conditioned

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<v Speaker 2>the military suicide. And I'm now working with the Deabi

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<v Speaker 2>police in the United Arounates. I'm quite proud of that.

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<v Speaker 2>So you just you move on, you look ahead. That's

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<v Speaker 2>been you know what our family does. We left things

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<v Speaker 2>behind in Egypt as well. You just have to look ahead,

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<v Speaker 2>do as you know as well as you can with

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<v Speaker 2>whatever you've got in front of you, and enjoy life,

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<v Speaker 2>which is what I hope I've done.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, your work as the Royal Commissioner in the veteran

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<v Speaker 1>suicide is Look again, it's a silly question, but I

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<v Speaker 1>spoke to you during that process. I could just sense,

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<v Speaker 1>and you don't need me to say this, but I

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<v Speaker 1>could just sense how important you knew it was, and

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<v Speaker 1>you work there is exemply But I wonder if we've

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<v Speaker 1>actually met your expectations in the way we've dealt with things.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's too early to tell whether the law

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<v Speaker 2>Commissioners had the impact that everyone wanted it to. Have.

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<v Speaker 2>The government very quickly responded, in fact that he had

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<v Speaker 2>record time because they're working enough. How important it was

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<v Speaker 2>accepted one hundred and four one hundred and twenty three recommendations,

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<v Speaker 2>including the main run of establishing their body that monitors

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<v Speaker 2>welfare and reports publicly. We're working on all of that now,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm optimistic about the future. I've been accused of

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<v Speaker 2>being an eternal optimist, but it was really important work.

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<v Speaker 2>It was definitely hardgoing that there was a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>sadness really that I am the stuff that even we

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<v Speaker 2>had a welfare regime and place for everyone. But the

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<v Speaker 2>thing that struck me be is that the similarities between

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<v Speaker 2>the problems in the military and law enforcement and emergency

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<v Speaker 2>services is startling. It's exactly the same problems. I've had

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<v Speaker 2>a bit to say about that. I was granted a

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<v Speaker 2>meeting with all the Police Commissioners of Australia and New

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<v Speaker 2>Zealand through ramspar this customer for frank discussion and we're

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<v Speaker 2>all doing bits and pieces in terms of welfare and

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<v Speaker 2>research and try to view these problems. But I won't

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<v Speaker 2>go over it all again. But when we finished the

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<v Speaker 2>Royal Commission, in the closing he had this. I did

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<v Speaker 2>say that this has been a national disgrace, how we've

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<v Speaker 2>treated our veterans and serving members, how we've taken along

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<v Speaker 2>off the ball of society. Our media and the political

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<v Speaker 2>class did not pay enough attention the fifty seven inquiries

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<v Speaker 2>that preceded US seven hundred and seven recommendations, most of

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<v Speaker 2>which were not acquitted fully. And it was in plain sight. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>we're there now, we've had the inquiry, We've highlighted the problems.

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<v Speaker 2>We took an und an unusual approach. We decided to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to the media and do as much coverage as

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<v Speaker 2>we could get it all out there, basically, and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people from the legal fraternity, he felt that

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<v Speaker 2>they were uncomfortable with that. It's on precidented for the

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<v Speaker 2>Royal Commissioner, a sitting raw commission, to say so in

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<v Speaker 2>US and do so much with the media. But you

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<v Speaker 2>felt that the only way we're going to achieve real

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<v Speaker 2>lasting change was to actually bring all the problems out

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<v Speaker 2>into the sunshine and let them be dealt with a

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<v Speaker 2>name and dealt with hopefully. And I hope and pray

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<v Speaker 2>we've done that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, you were brilliant, brilliant you're the assistant Commander

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<v Speaker 1>in chief of the Abu Dhabi Police Force. So what

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<v Speaker 1>does work look like? How different is it to the

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<v Speaker 1>days when you were operating in uniform in New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 2>It is very different, obviously culturally and every other way.

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<v Speaker 2>There's some really incredibly clever people here in the police

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<v Speaker 2>and in government generally, and I think I'm beginning to

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<v Speaker 2>recognize after only a couple of months that actually much

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<v Speaker 2>more advanced than Australia in many ways in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>use of technology and other ways they're dealing with things,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're very open minded, which is what attracted me

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<v Speaker 2>to the role. And I'm very grateful and again humbled

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<v Speaker 2>to be asked to play this part. I'm bringing a

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<v Speaker 2>different perspective, I guess, to the way things done and

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<v Speaker 2>bringing the international connections that I'm happen to build over

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<v Speaker 2>the decades to be and there's it's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a very interesting few years, ji a couple of years

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<v Speaker 2>while I'm here. And again my father has taught me

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<v Speaker 2>to don't move on until you've made your mark, and

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<v Speaker 2>I hope I will make my Marqi and certainly not

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<v Speaker 2>be it. I play some small contribution in the revolution

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<v Speaker 2>here and I really hope to build the connections between

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<v Speaker 2>the Gulf and the air countries and Australian law enforcement

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<v Speaker 2>more strongly than they have been in the past.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Nick, we said this part in the sund out

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to remarkable Australians and you're certainly one of those.

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<v Speaker 1>Nick Calder's AO. Congratulations and can I get to say Nick,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for everything you've done, not just here but

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<v Speaker 1>all around the world. An exceptional human being and we

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<v Speaker 1>valued the opportunity to talk to you and I wish

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<v Speaker 1>you well.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much, Luc, and thank you for your

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<v Speaker 2>continuing support of those in uniform make both military and

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<v Speaker 2>police and services. It's been fantastic. Just I'm really grateful

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<v Speaker 2>to you for thinking of not at.

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<v Speaker 1>All Nick Caldas outstanding, all the best mate, and plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of feedback just decoing everything that I've been saying, a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a fanboy moment for me, because I do

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<v Speaker 1>think he's remarkable and look on the back of that

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<v Speaker 1>chat to Nick, New South Wales Police Legacy and collaboration

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<v Speaker 1>with seven Australian police legacies, have launched National Police Legacy

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<v Speaker 1>Day to celebrate the important work done by the nonprofit

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<v Speaker 1>charities around the country to support police officers and their

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<v Speaker 1>loved ones. The newly established National Police Legacy Day observed

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<v Speaker 1>annually on the seventeenth of journe It aims to bring

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<v Speaker 1>attention to the difficulties faced by police families left behind

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<v Speaker 1>after tragedy, the significant financial strain and emotional distress and

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<v Speaker 1>challenges rel added to the family structure and daily life.

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<v Speaker 1>This National Police Legacy Day will feature a variety of activities,

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<v Speaker 1>community events, fundraising efforts and a call to illuminate buildings

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<v Speaker 1>around the state in a blue light in the evening.

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<v Speaker 1>The Opera house sales will be blue in Sydney and Premier.

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<v Speaker 1>You've done well there, tick, So you'll see that on

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<v Speaker 1>the seventeenth Tuesday. And when you see blue, we'll hear

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<v Speaker 1>about this. You'll know, wow, got to get behind that.

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<v Speaker 1>We thank all police all over the country for their service.