Speaker 1: Tracy Sheen, Tracy's a wonderful person. She's going to help
Speaker 1: us talk about AI helping Ozzie kids in particular. Does
Speaker 1: it help them, they make them? Does it learn that
Speaker 1: they've learned how to cheat? And Tray says, it's no
Speaker 1: different on how we taught past generations to use things
Speaker 1: as you say, calculate us for example, or I don't know,
Speaker 1: going online and reading the reading the Wikipedia. I guess
Speaker 1: these days. Tracy Sheen, good morning, good morning. It's lovely
Speaker 1: to have you on the program. Thank you for a
Speaker 1: little bit of time, given that we were just talking
Speaker 1: about those things that we learned all those years ago.
Speaker 1: People now are sort of, to some degree, Tracy, reinventing
Speaker 1: themselves at that younger, younger age because things have changing
Speaker 1: and they continue to change.
Speaker 2: Look, I don't know if they're reinventing as much as
Speaker 2: you know that the kids don't know any different, right,
Speaker 2: It's exactly the same as your previous guests saying that
Speaker 2: she had to learn how they had to learn how
Speaker 2: to read via braille, and I had to get a
Speaker 2: pen license when I was at school. We didn't know
Speaker 2: any different.
Speaker 1: We just had what we had, the old pen license.
Speaker 1: Were you an ink will monitor trace?
Speaker 2: Gosh? Not quite? Not quite. I did have to I
Speaker 2: did have to prove that I could write in pencil
Speaker 2: before I was allowed to move to pen that's right.
Speaker 2: And I did have to get the calculator license.
Speaker 1: The calculator license. What did that entail?
Speaker 2: Well, we had to prove that we could do long
Speaker 2: division and multiplication and things before we were allowed to
Speaker 2: whip out the Cassio.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: We're going to whip out the Cassio. Exactly what a
Speaker 1: brand that is? It remains I mean, Cassio, by the way,
Speaker 1: do some amazing watches these days as well. The reason
Speaker 1: that we got Johnny is to talk about some of
Speaker 1: these things about how we train younger people these days.
Speaker 1: What do you got for stras?
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it's really really important. My concern here is
Speaker 2: that our current crop of students aren't necessarily being prepared
Speaker 2: for the workforce that they're about to enter. So I
Speaker 2: think as a whole, as parents, as grandparents, as supporters
Speaker 2: of students, it's really incumbent upon us to support our
Speaker 2: educators to get up to speed with exactly what's going on,
Speaker 2: and to provide the students with the ability to actually
Speaker 2: lean in and leverage some of these tools as opposed
Speaker 2: to you know, sometimes perhaps tying one arm behind their
Speaker 2: back and kind of saying to them, look, you can't
Speaker 2: really use AI for this because that's not the workforce
Speaker 2: that they're going to enter.
Speaker 1: So is it the we're clearly I think we live
Speaker 1: in what's referred to, is it not as a digital age?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, Look, I think it's about to be, if
Speaker 2: not now, the AI enabled age, I think is the
Speaker 2: next phase that we're going to enter.
Speaker 1: There's some people are still concerned about that, what will
Speaker 1: look at, what that will look like sooner rather than later?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look quite right, I think a dose of
Speaker 2: healthy skepticism is healthy. We need to be aware and mindful.
Speaker 2: But you know, let's face it, it's here. It's not
Speaker 2: that it's coming. It's already here. We've been using it
Speaker 2: for years, whether it's Google Maps, whether it's any of
Speaker 2: the streaming platforms. Even your show is available as a podcast.
Speaker 2: You know, all this technology. So it's already here. It's
Speaker 2: just that we now need to really identify that it's
Speaker 2: going in leaps and bounds and we just need to
Speaker 2: get up to speed pretty quickly.
Speaker 1: Tracy, going back to the early part of the eighties,
Speaker 1: We're going a great radio station three B in Ballerrette
Speaker 1: and Victoria. And for some reason, I'd purchased this very
Speaker 1: small TV screen and I took it into the studio
Speaker 1: because I think from memory it might have been tennis
Speaker 1: it was on. It's a very small TV screen. I
Speaker 1: set it down where I was playing the records so
Speaker 1: that I could give updates on the score. Boss of
Speaker 1: the radio station came up the stairs and said, that's
Speaker 1: got to go. We don't have TV screens here in
Speaker 1: a radio studio. Now, as I look around the studio
Speaker 1: in which I'm now sitting in twenty twenty five, conservatively
Speaker 1: between the two studios five there, I reckon there's another
Speaker 1: four or five conservatively there would be fifteen screens.
Speaker 2: Well, you and I have certainly a lot in common.
Speaker 2: I mean, if I think back to the early eighties,
Speaker 2: I was probably busy recording Casey casem.
Speaker 1: You know, that's the years the American tough forty exactly
Speaker 1: hitting the play and the record at the right time.
Speaker 2: And hoping people just like you weren't going to talk
Speaker 2: over the whole introduction so I could capture the entire
Speaker 2: song that I wanted. So you know, again, it's just
Speaker 2: that evolution. It's just being prepared to recognize that the
Speaker 2: way that we were doing things then is not the
Speaker 2: way that we're doing things now, and it's not going
Speaker 2: to be the way that we're doing things in twelve months,
Speaker 2: three years time.
Speaker 1: If I have people have looked at your website trace,
Speaker 1: which is called the Digitalguide dot com, what will they see?
Speaker 2: They will see everything from how to adopt AI in
Speaker 2: an ethical way, how to support kids with responsible adoption,
Speaker 2: and you know, all kinds of digital literacy and everything
Speaker 2: in between.
Speaker 1: Do you bring in the little four, five, six seven
Speaker 1: year olds in that early.
Speaker 2: I have. I have grandbabies that are six and three,
Speaker 2: and you know, it's the old story of if I
Speaker 2: can't step the video recorder other than even a video
Speaker 2: Now I'm again I'm showing my age, But you know,
Speaker 2: give the kids that I remember the first time my
Speaker 2: oldest grandchild looked at a magazine and he tried to
Speaker 2: pinch and zoom, thinking it was an iPad. So I
Speaker 2: do that too.
Speaker 1: It's great to talk to you, Tracy.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Have a look at that website, The Digitalguide dot com
Speaker 1: dot au Tracy Sheen, thanks for staying up nice and
Speaker 1: late for us Tracy on Australia every night. We'll do
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