WEBVTT - Tracy Sheen with Tony McManus - Thu 19 Jun, 2025

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<v Speaker 1>Tracy Sheen, Tracy's a wonderful person. She's going to help

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<v Speaker 1>us talk about AI helping Ozzie kids in particular. Does

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<v Speaker 1>it help them, they make them? Does it learn that

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<v Speaker 1>they've learned how to cheat? And Tray says, it's no

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<v Speaker 1>different on how we taught past generations to use things

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<v Speaker 1>as you say, calculate us for example, or I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>going online and reading the reading the Wikipedia. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>these days. Tracy Sheen, good morning, good morning. It's lovely

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<v Speaker 1>to have you on the program. Thank you for a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of time, given that we were just talking

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<v Speaker 1>about those things that we learned all those years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>People now are sort of, to some degree, Tracy, reinventing

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<v Speaker 1>themselves at that younger, younger age because things have changing

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<v Speaker 1>and they continue to change.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I don't know if they're reinventing as much as

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<v Speaker 2>you know that the kids don't know any different, right,

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<v Speaker 2>It's exactly the same as your previous guests saying that

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<v Speaker 2>she had to learn how they had to learn how

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<v Speaker 2>to read via braille, and I had to get a

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<v Speaker 2>pen license when I was at school. We didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>any different.

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<v Speaker 1>We just had what we had, the old pen license.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you an ink will monitor trace?

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<v Speaker 2>Gosh? Not quite? Not quite. I did have to I

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<v Speaker 2>did have to prove that I could write in pencil

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<v Speaker 2>before I was allowed to move to pen that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>And I did have to get the calculator license.

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<v Speaker 1>The calculator license. What did that entail?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we had to prove that we could do long

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<v Speaker 2>division and multiplication and things before we were allowed to

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<v Speaker 2>whip out the Cassio.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to whip out the Cassio. Exactly what a

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<v Speaker 1>brand that is? It remains I mean, Cassio, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>do some amazing watches these days as well. The reason

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<v Speaker 1>that we got Johnny is to talk about some of

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<v Speaker 1>these things about how we train younger people these days.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you got for stras?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, look, it's really really important. My concern here is

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<v Speaker 2>that our current crop of students aren't necessarily being prepared

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<v Speaker 2>for the workforce that they're about to enter. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think as a whole, as parents, as grandparents, as supporters

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<v Speaker 2>of students, it's really incumbent upon us to support our

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<v Speaker 2>educators to get up to speed with exactly what's going on,

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<v Speaker 2>and to provide the students with the ability to actually

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<v Speaker 2>lean in and leverage some of these tools as opposed

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<v Speaker 2>to you know, sometimes perhaps tying one arm behind their

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<v Speaker 2>back and kind of saying to them, look, you can't

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<v Speaker 2>really use AI for this because that's not the workforce

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<v Speaker 2>that they're going to enter.

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<v Speaker 1>So is it the we're clearly I think we live

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<v Speaker 1>in what's referred to, is it not as a digital age?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, Look, I think it's about to be, if

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<v Speaker 2>not now, the AI enabled age, I think is the

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<v Speaker 2>next phase that we're going to enter.

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<v Speaker 1>There's some people are still concerned about that, what will

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<v Speaker 1>look at, what that will look like sooner rather than later?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and look quite right, I think a dose of

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<v Speaker 2>healthy skepticism is healthy. We need to be aware and mindful.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, let's face it, it's here. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>that it's coming. It's already here. We've been using it

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<v Speaker 2>for years, whether it's Google Maps, whether it's any of

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<v Speaker 2>the streaming platforms. Even your show is available as a podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, all this technology. So it's already here. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just that we now need to really identify that it's

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<v Speaker 2>going in leaps and bounds and we just need to

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<v Speaker 2>get up to speed pretty quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>Tracy, going back to the early part of the eighties,

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<v Speaker 1>We're going a great radio station three B in Ballerrette

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<v Speaker 1>and Victoria. And for some reason, I'd purchased this very

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<v Speaker 1>small TV screen and I took it into the studio

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<v Speaker 1>because I think from memory it might have been tennis

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<v Speaker 1>it was on. It's a very small TV screen. I

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<v Speaker 1>set it down where I was playing the records so

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<v Speaker 1>that I could give updates on the score. Boss of

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<v Speaker 1>the radio station came up the stairs and said, that's

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<v Speaker 1>got to go. We don't have TV screens here in

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<v Speaker 1>a radio studio. Now, as I look around the studio

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<v Speaker 1>in which I'm now sitting in twenty twenty five, conservatively

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<v Speaker 1>between the two studios five there, I reckon there's another

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<v Speaker 1>four or five conservatively there would be fifteen screens.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you and I have certainly a lot in common.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if I think back to the early eighties,

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<v Speaker 2>I was probably busy recording Casey casem.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's the years the American tough forty exactly

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<v Speaker 1>hitting the play and the record at the right time.

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<v Speaker 2>And hoping people just like you weren't going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>over the whole introduction so I could capture the entire

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<v Speaker 2>song that I wanted. So you know, again, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>that evolution. It's just being prepared to recognize that the

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<v Speaker 2>way that we were doing things then is not the

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<v Speaker 2>way that we're doing things now, and it's not going

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<v Speaker 2>to be the way that we're doing things in twelve months,

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<v Speaker 2>three years time.

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<v Speaker 1>If I have people have looked at your website trace,

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<v Speaker 1>which is called the Digitalguide dot com, what will they see?

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<v Speaker 2>They will see everything from how to adopt AI in

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<v Speaker 2>an ethical way, how to support kids with responsible adoption,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, all kinds of digital literacy and everything

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<v Speaker 2>in between.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you bring in the little four, five, six seven

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<v Speaker 1>year olds in that early.

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<v Speaker 2>I have. I have grandbabies that are six and three,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, it's the old story of if I

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<v Speaker 2>can't step the video recorder other than even a video

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'm again I'm showing my age, But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>give the kids that I remember the first time my

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<v Speaker 2>oldest grandchild looked at a magazine and he tried to

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<v Speaker 2>pinch and zoom, thinking it was an iPad. So I

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<v Speaker 2>do that too.

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<v Speaker 1>It's great to talk to you, Tracy.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a look at that website, The Digitalguide dot com

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<v Speaker 1>dot au Tracy Sheen, thanks for staying up nice and

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<v Speaker 1>late for us Tracy on Australia every night. We'll do

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<v Speaker 1>this when we come back. Plenty of time for your calls.

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<v Speaker 1>Come and join us one double three six nine three.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're sending the messages and some of them are hysterical,

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<v Speaker 1>well done US zero four double seven six nine three

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