WEBVTT - Politics with Terry Barnes

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<v Speaker 1>Now on overnights order, the Prime Minister has to call.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks missus streaker.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the week in Politics with Terry barrs. He's cold

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<v Speaker 2>and he's tired and he wants to get to bed,

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<v Speaker 2>but first there's business to be done. How are you.

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, Bill? Yes, I am cold and I am tired,

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<v Speaker 1>and the warmest plays I can think of.

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<v Speaker 2>Susan Lee. Is she dragging the Libs to the left?

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<v Speaker 1>Well something? Going from her National Press Club speech yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd have to say that whenever somebody from the right

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<v Speaker 1>of politics talks about modern Australia, that means taking it

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<v Speaker 1>to the left effectively. She admitted that that Liberals were

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<v Speaker 1>smashed in the mayfiederal election. That's not that's the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>But her solution, as far as I can see, is

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<v Speaker 1>that she wants to talk about modern Australia and modern

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<v Speaker 1>Australian values and not timeless Liberal party values, or timeless

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<v Speaker 1>center right or conservative or even well liberal well well

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<v Speaker 1>liberal value is She lost me when she gave the

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledgment of country right at the beginning, not because that's

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<v Speaker 1>wrong in itself, but it sent a very clear coded

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<v Speaker 1>message that she is not going to fight the culture wars.

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<v Speaker 1>She's not going to actually talk to a base. She's

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk to well, she's going to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the country I think, And of course

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<v Speaker 1>if they want to regain government, the littles have to

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<v Speaker 1>do that. They actually have to respect their base as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I get the sneaking feeling that as a moderate Liberal MP,

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<v Speaker 1>she respects the moderate part of the Liberal Party that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have much time with the conservative part and that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a very interesting, well battle to be

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<v Speaker 1>fought internally over the next couple of years if she

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<v Speaker 1>survived that long.

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<v Speaker 2>What wasn't this the issue at the last election? You

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<v Speaker 2>had all these factions inside the party pulling it to

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<v Speaker 2>the left and that's how they ended up in so

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<v Speaker 2>much disarray.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's very very true, and I think the support

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<v Speaker 1>that she got to become leader by not many it's

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<v Speaker 1>over Angus Taylor, who is seen as being on the

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<v Speaker 1>conservative wing, sort of highlights that and then certainly some

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<v Speaker 1>of her key shadow cabinet appointments has highlighted that as well.

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<v Speaker 1>My sense is, yes, I think the Liberals have to

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<v Speaker 1>look at the reality of modern Australia and what it is,

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<v Speaker 1>what Australian's aspirations are, but I think they also need

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<v Speaker 1>to explain to to many people, particularly the young, that

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<v Speaker 1>the Times values that Bob Benzies stood up or that

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<v Speaker 1>Liberals had stood up or since the founding of the

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<v Speaker 1>party eighty years ago, in terms of smaller government, in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of greater personal sospils, in terms of the role

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<v Speaker 1>of the family in the community, the sense that people

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<v Speaker 1>determine their own destinies and that don't have to well

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<v Speaker 1>co live their lives with government. I mean those things

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<v Speaker 1>mattered to to civil society in mindview. I think people

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<v Speaker 1>on the right not very good at communicating that too,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly younger people who have been educated I think in

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<v Speaker 1>a very progressive for education culture all the way from

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<v Speaker 1>kindergarten to university and really have been for decades now.

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<v Speaker 1>And my sense his Liberals have lost those and they're

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<v Speaker 1>struggling him to actually make any ground with them. However,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think by simply saying, well, look, they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>like who we were in May, I like who we

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<v Speaker 1>are in June. If we basically talk like them, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to work.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I see that Tony Abbott has voiced strong support

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<v Speaker 2>for the US bombing campaign against Iran. He's been quite

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<v Speaker 2>vocal lately. Is it too late for Abbot because he

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<v Speaker 2>really could be the man of the moment now, especially

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<v Speaker 2>given the current climate.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, certainly, I think I'm sure. In fact, I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 1>certain that Tony Abbott misses the opportunity to influence Australia's

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<v Speaker 1>place in the world and the only way he could

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<v Speaker 1>as Prime minister.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's pretty much like all ex prime ministers.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, indeed, there's something more exce than ex prime minister,

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<v Speaker 1>as they say. But look, I think the one thing

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<v Speaker 1>about Tony Abbott, whether you agree with him or like

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<v Speaker 1>him or not, is that you knew what he's still for,

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<v Speaker 1>what he believed in. He did make any bones about that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think, actually, funnily enough and ironically enough for Tony,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm talking to somebody who's worked with him and

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<v Speaker 1>known him for a long time and consider him a friend,

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<v Speaker 1>is that he's probably learned how to communicate and talk

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<v Speaker 1>about ideas and values and international politics, particularly much more

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<v Speaker 1>effectively than when he was in Parliament when he was

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<v Speaker 1>Prime Minister. And in that sense, I think he's become

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<v Speaker 1>very comfortable as an elder statesman and I think earned

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of respect from even people who opposed him

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<v Speaker 1>when he was in well certainly when he's Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think in the twenty odd years he was

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<v Speaker 1>in politics.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's just a couple of silly decisions there. So

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<v Speaker 2>could he get back in and be a player again

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<v Speaker 2>or is it too late for that now?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, look he is well into his sixties now, so

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<v Speaker 1>probably it is too late. And if there's nothing more

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<v Speaker 1>X than an X, going back and being an ex

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<v Speaker 1>in parliament is probably not the best way to use

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<v Speaker 1>his influence, I mean, and that's the thing. He does

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<v Speaker 1>have influence now, just like John Howard has influence in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that perhaps he wouldn't have done if he

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<v Speaker 1>were still in Parliament, were in office. But we need

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<v Speaker 1>those elder statesmen, but we also need, I think the

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<v Speaker 1>current generation to actually step up and perform. And part

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<v Speaker 1>of the problem that the federal Liverpool, scott and that

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<v Speaker 1>state level around the country is a desperate problem is

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<v Speaker 1>the depth of the talent pool MPs as well muddy

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<v Speaker 1>puddlers of that, the size of it. So the best

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<v Speaker 1>people are not going into politics, not just talking about

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<v Speaker 1>women at Susan Lee was at the Press Club yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're talking about men and women of capability,

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<v Speaker 1>of talent, of experience, expertise who just art attracted by

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<v Speaker 1>a political career, probably because people like you and I

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<v Speaker 1>talk about and the slings about narrows of public life

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<v Speaker 1>a really quite nice these days, and social media has

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<v Speaker 1>made them a hell of a lot worse than it was,

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<v Speaker 1>say even in John Howard's time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's right, but it doesn't just pertain to politics.

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<v Speaker 2>It pertains to every area of life. If you're on Facebook,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a target.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, look at our civil discourse is coarsening.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely can't.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't agree with that more, you know, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think in our politics is reflecting that, and that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>not good for the country. It's and it's not just here,

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<v Speaker 1>it's around the world. I mean, we'll talk about certain

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<v Speaker 1>man of Orange and.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I knew you as soon as you paused there,

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<v Speaker 2>I knew where you were going to go. So let's

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<v Speaker 2>talk about never say never again. What Donald Trump made

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<v Speaker 2>a good comeback. He's gone to NATO, He's had one

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<v Speaker 2>hell of a week. He dropped the dropped the F bomb,

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<v Speaker 2>which some people have said, well, it's on brand. So

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<v Speaker 2>now there's the NATO sucking up text. Let's talk about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the NATO sucking up text, and it's actually not

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<v Speaker 1>only private. Donald Trump leaked it because he obviously loved it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's i mean, the Secretary General of NOTAO from the

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<v Speaker 1>Dutch Prime Minister Mark Ruther really laid on with the troal.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just amazing that the brown nosing. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he brown nosed so much that I think I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think you can see his head, but certainly he texted

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump while he was flying over and well it's

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<v Speaker 1>a longish text, but I'll just quote a bit of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Mister President did Donald congratulations and thank you for your

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<v Speaker 1>decisive action in around that was truly extraordinary and something

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<v Speaker 1>no one else did to do. It makes us all safer.

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<v Speaker 1>You are flying into another big success in the Hague

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<v Speaker 1>this evening. It was not easy, but we've got them

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<v Speaker 1>all signed on to five percent. That's GDP on defense. Donalds,

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<v Speaker 1>you have driven us to a really really important moment

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<v Speaker 1>for America and Europe. And he just goes on and on.

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<v Speaker 1>But he also did this publicly. He did this publicly,

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<v Speaker 1>yet at the DATO meeting where he had his bilateral

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<v Speaker 1>with the president and talk similar amage. He used that

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<v Speaker 1>that that phrase at the start of his text, mister President,

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<v Speaker 1>dear Donald. Then he talked about daddy talking tusks looking children.

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<v Speaker 1>It was extraordinary.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just again, I go back to two thoughts. One,

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<v Speaker 2>head your bets and secondly, in the words of Nixon,

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<v Speaker 2>he might be a mad man, but he's our mad man.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think I think there was a back in

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<v Speaker 1>the day. I think it was FDR who talked about

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<v Speaker 1>a certain South American dictator and said that he made

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<v Speaker 1>a son of that. You know what, but he's our

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<v Speaker 1>son of you.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the thing about Donald Trump. He would have said

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<v Speaker 2>the full expletive. Jim Chalmers dismissing NATO's defense spending policy,

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<v Speaker 2>let's talk about that. Where are we at with that?

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<v Speaker 2>What are your thoughts?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, certainly we just talked about Mark Ruther of NATO

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<v Speaker 1>is saying that, oh there, I signed up to five percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that wonderful? Whereas a Treasury yesterday made it very

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<v Speaker 1>clear that, particularly in the discussion that he started about

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<v Speaker 1>tax and tax reformers, that we're doing quite fine, very much,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, very with our two and a bit percent

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<v Speaker 1>over the next few years, thank you very much. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't see any need to change that. I mean, effectively,

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<v Speaker 1>he was being very dismissive, brushed it off, effectively saying

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<v Speaker 1>that any debate about our defense spending is off the table.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's really reinforcing comments that the Prime Minister made

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<v Speaker 1>off the cuff a week or so ago. We've effectively said,

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<v Speaker 1>we decided what we spend our money on circumstances in

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<v Speaker 1>which we spend it. But certainly, I think given that

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<v Speaker 1>the US is driving the NATO, all lies to increase

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<v Speaker 1>their defense spending, no matter how much fawning and flattery

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<v Speaker 1>goes with it. The fact that even the Canadians, who

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<v Speaker 1>have underperformed compared to even Australia in terms of their

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<v Speaker 1>ben spending and prepared to up it to three percent

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<v Speaker 1>more of GDP, we're starting to be lagged. If we

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<v Speaker 1>want to have if we want to have the influence

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<v Speaker 1>not just with the President Trump, but in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>the regional security and world security, we actually have to

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<v Speaker 1>put our money on the table. We have to put

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<v Speaker 1>our willingness to play our part on the table. And

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<v Speaker 1>we've had this well, we've had this shadow game conning

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<v Speaker 1>over last fortnight. Haven't we about Donald Trump? Meeting has

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<v Speaker 1>now been easy? But really, why should the president meet

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<v Speaker 1>mister Alben easy when Australia is not just in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of being wishy washy and merely mouthed in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>its foreign policy, but certainly being absolutely totally unwilling and

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<v Speaker 1>refusing to come to the party when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>contributing more to our ownness.

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<v Speaker 2>That's funny. If you wanted to take the pulse of

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<v Speaker 2>the nation, you could listen to this radio station and

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<v Speaker 2>the listeners and they would tell you straight away, above

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<v Speaker 2>cost of living, above trying to buy a house, first

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<v Speaker 2>and foremost is defense spending with all of our listeners

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much, and it's strange that they're just not being

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<v Speaker 2>listened to.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think that's right, and I think we have

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<v Speaker 1>to debate about the level of defense spending. We also

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<v Speaker 1>have to talk about quantity quality as well as quantity,

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<v Speaker 1>that we're actually buying stuff that is actually going to

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<v Speaker 1>make us safe, that is actually going to do what

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<v Speaker 1>we need to do, is fit for purpose for what

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<v Speaker 1>we needed to do, and certainly, and we've got to

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<v Speaker 1>put orcus into that equation. Yet put it aside, look

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<v Speaker 1>at the rest of what we do in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>our defense forces, our defense structure, our defense personnel, and

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<v Speaker 1>certainly we do need to make sure that whatever we

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<v Speaker 1>do is not only affordable, but it is effective, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to be a challenge. But we tend not

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<v Speaker 1>to have these conversations. They're too difficult. And the political

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<v Speaker 1>problem for the Labor government is after the election where

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<v Speaker 1>they really put so much money into social spending, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it there's Medicare and eis student that's whatever it happened

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<v Speaker 1>to be. I mean, these commitments that they have made

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<v Speaker 1>on the domestic side are so big and so budget

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<v Speaker 1>consuming that it actually doesn't leave much room to do

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<v Speaker 1>more in defense unless unless you actually raise taxes in

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<v Speaker 1>a significant way. That seems to be the message that

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Charlmons is making in terms of taxes from the

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<v Speaker 1>last couple of days. It's all about raising more revenue.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not about using what revenue we have more efficiently

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of the programs or services, not just defense,

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<v Speaker 1>but domestic services as well. That my sense is we

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<v Speaker 1>do need tax reform. We do need to actually look

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<v Speaker 1>at our tax base. We need to look at making

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<v Speaker 1>sure it works as fairly as possible and as efficiently

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<v Speaker 1>as possible. That we've also got to make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>we don't we don't basically raise money to waste it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the other side of it. So doctor Chalmers was

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<v Speaker 1>prepared to say, we do need to look at what

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<v Speaker 1>we spend our money on, we do need to look

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<v Speaker 1>at things, doing things better and smarter. But that also

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<v Speaker 1>may mean we do less, that we might actually have

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<v Speaker 1>to cut some things we can't know. That's binding the

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<v Speaker 1>bullet on. The tough stuff is what government's all about.

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<v Speaker 1>And this government and so I come from the other

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<v Speaker 1>side of politics, but this government seems very much into

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to talk good views, but not talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that there is a cost to everything they do.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it. And one more thing, because I know you

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<v Speaker 2>want to go to bed, and I mentioned getting the

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<v Speaker 2>pulse of the nation. We've got in your notes here

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about Antoinette Latooth receiving the seventy thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>from the ABC over the sacking. I'm really surprised that

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<v Speaker 2>you wanted to talk about this. I'm also surprised at

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<v Speaker 2>how much traction this story is getting and how many

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<v Speaker 2>people are talking about it. Why is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, look, I think it's something actually although she is

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<v Speaker 1>coming from the left and particularly on the gaza issue

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<v Speaker 1>at the two, I've got to pick on the ABC

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<v Speaker 1>for the wrong reasons that yeah, she expressed the political view,

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<v Speaker 1>but if you look at it, I mean, how many

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<v Speaker 1>of their key people, how many of their their names,

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<v Speaker 1>actually do exactly the same thing and get away with it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, look what Laura Tingle for instance, said about

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<v Speaker 1>Scott Morrison a few years ago in terms of videological

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<v Speaker 1>bastard trick. Look at their investigator, get investigative journalist Louise

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<v Speaker 1>Milligan who has taken to court the deafination in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of things that she had said printed and basically they

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<v Speaker 1>were okay. But Anthrooninetteletu, who is a casual contractors entered

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<v Speaker 1>for one week while somebody else is on leave. She

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<v Speaker 1>made a comment about guard which I think showed that

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<v Speaker 1>very much where she came from politically. That compared to well,

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<v Speaker 1>compared to some of those other cases, you just wonder

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<v Speaker 1>what the fuss was about. I mean, it was one

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<v Speaker 1>of those things that's the ABC management should have blown over.

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<v Speaker 1>But the other thing is when it comes to it.

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<v Speaker 1>She's got her seventy thousand dollars in COMPETI.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's it, not bad for three days work.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're talking about legal fees that in the minions

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<v Speaker 1>the cost that the ABC will be up for hers

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<v Speaker 1>and theirs, and really they realize that this is taxpayers money.

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<v Speaker 2>Well they tell the.

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<v Speaker 1>Shareholders money, it's not private money, it's taxpayers money. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they're doing the proverbial up against the wall.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me hit you with this scenario. Do you think

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<v Speaker 2>maybe the ABC are reflecting the government's opinion at the moment,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is not to have an opinion about anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, in these days, I think that's the safest thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But the ABC charter actually demands that they be impartial

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<v Speaker 1>and they actually look at all points of view. And

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<v Speaker 1>certainly I think from me Antoinette Lato in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>being high in the first place, said, you know, they're

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<v Speaker 1>quite happy to accept people of her who left the

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<v Speaker 1>center perspective, but if the cause of trouble, well they

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<v Speaker 1>scarf it for one hundred miles an hour, but they

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<v Speaker 1>still line up behind their names who might fall into

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<v Speaker 1>the same trap. So I just think there is a

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<v Speaker 1>double standard there that within the ABC culture that allowed

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<v Speaker 1>that to happen. But in terms of in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>her being well effectively given the flick or a tweet,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure that's necessarily a good thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But again, you know, that goes back to what we

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about earlier on about Facebook and about having

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<v Speaker 2>an opinion and everything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is the thing I think, to your professional

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, do you know it's a good thing that

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<v Speaker 1>you have opinionated journalists and commentators who attract listeners and viewers.

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<v Speaker 1>But if they express those years and you actually them

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<v Speaker 1>to express those years, you sort of have to stand

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<v Speaker 1>with them.

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<v Speaker 2>Which it's really and this is a conversation, a longer

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<v Speaker 2>form conversation for another time, but it's very interesting because

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<v Speaker 2>if it's a spoken opinion, it seems to be more

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<v Speaker 2>accepted than if it's a written opinion. If it's especially

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<v Speaker 2>if it's a written opinion on social media, that seems

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<v Speaker 2>to carry more weight and more implications than something you've

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<v Speaker 2>written as an article or something I've said on the radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Why that is. But on the other hand, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here because I expressed you know, because you know

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to express opinions. Of course, reporting the news.

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<v Speaker 1>When you when you're actually covering the news that you're

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<v Speaker 1>expected to tweet your opinions on it, then the line's

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<v Speaker 1>been blurred for quite That's it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm saying to you. You know that the

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<v Speaker 2>social media opinion Twitter, Facebook and what have you, seems

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<v Speaker 2>to carry more weight and implication again than say the

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<v Speaker 2>written word in something that you may have written in

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<v Speaker 2>the media or something that I would have said on

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<v Speaker 2>the radio. I don't know why that is, but that's just,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the impression that I get.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, certainly I've written a couple of things on the

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<v Speaker 1>mainstream in mainstream media actually last week or so. It's

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<v Speaker 1>got me spotted bothered out. Okay, look it happens to

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<v Speaker 1>us all.

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<v Speaker 2>But once you get seventy grand, you know who you

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<v Speaker 2>can take to lunch.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I, well, I don't get anything like seventy grand.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't get anything, but certainly always enjoy talking to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, my friend. You are just too

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<v Speaker 2>well for me. It's two SIPs of coffee. By the

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<v Speaker 2>time I finish those, you'll be fast asleep in your pjs.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a great night.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much to you.