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S1: How was your experience seeing this movie? Seeing Sunday in

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S2: Oh my God, what a fucking movie. What a love

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S3: So I don't know. I don't know what more you

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S3: No, I completely agree with what you're saying, but I'm

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S1: at number two on the Billboard charts when it came

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00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:51,560
S1: out this month.

443
00:20:52,460 --> 00:20:55,280
S6: My Saturn has returned.

444
00:20:56,710 --> 00:21:05,710
UU: When I turned 27, everything started to change. Took a

445
00:21:05,710 --> 00:21:12,030
UU: long time, but I learned. There's two kinds of people.

446
00:21:12,060 --> 00:21:16,950
UU: One is a giver. The one's always trying to take

447
00:21:17,820 --> 00:21:18,540
UU: all they can.

448
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,760
S1: They're bits of this album that I really, really like.

449
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,520
S1: Like the first two tracks, Cardinal and Deep a well,

450
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,940
S1: a really great it's like what Casey does best, I think.

451
00:21:26,940 --> 00:21:30,510
S1: And then there's a lot of tracks that are like, fine. This,

452
00:21:30,510 --> 00:21:33,420
S1: this one I was expecting. I was really excited for it.

453
00:21:33,420 --> 00:21:35,520
S1: I thought that it would hit, and maybe it's because

454
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,560
S1: I was listening to it in conjunction with the Waxahatchee

455
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,229
S1: one and I'm like, wow. The songwriting just like, isn't

456
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:43,440
S1: quite at that level, even though Casey is very good

457
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,869
S1: at everything she does. Yeah, but I was a little

458
00:21:45,869 --> 00:21:47,970
S1: bit underwhelmed by Casey's record.

459
00:21:47,970 --> 00:21:48,450
S5: Yeah, I.

460
00:21:48,450 --> 00:21:51,060
S3: Completely agree with you. And I would say Tiger's blood

461
00:21:51,060 --> 00:21:55,290
S3: is way more interesting and more sophisticated album. I'm also

462
00:21:55,290 --> 00:21:57,630
S3: saying with you, like, I really liked Golden Hour. That

463
00:21:57,630 --> 00:22:00,120
S3: was kind of, I guess her in love album. And

464
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,729
S3: then was it Star-Crossed was the kind of one about

465
00:22:02,730 --> 00:22:05,880
S3: her divorced. I thought they were quite good. This one.

466
00:22:05,940 --> 00:22:08,400
S3: I mean, it just feels like she's a bit calm

467
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,520
S3: in this one. And like, it's about finding peace. And

468
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,080
S3: I don't know, I guess I just found it a

469
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:17,190
S3: bit unexciting compared to the past albums. It's kind of

470
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:19,530
S3: maybe almost a woowoo album in a bit, in a way.

471
00:22:19,530 --> 00:22:21,360
S3: Like there's a lot of wellness going on.

472
00:22:21,450 --> 00:22:22,770
S5: And Crystal wellness.

473
00:22:22,770 --> 00:22:24,390
S1: Yeah, a lot of wellness. A lot of a lot

474
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:26,730
S1: of astrology, gravity bong stuff.

475
00:22:26,970 --> 00:22:29,820
S3: Yeah. So I definitely feel like out of the two

476
00:22:29,820 --> 00:22:32,219
S3: of those being in dialogue, Tiger's Blood is doing something

477
00:22:32,220 --> 00:22:35,820
S3: much more interesting. Whereas I feel this isn't Casey at

478
00:22:35,820 --> 00:22:38,429
S3: her peak, even though it's a fine enough album to

479
00:22:38,430 --> 00:22:40,500
S3: listen to. As you said, I just think a lot

480
00:22:40,500 --> 00:22:43,110
S3: of the tracks are pretty unremarkable.

481
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,150
S2: I mean, it's always nice to hear the term wake

482
00:22:45,150 --> 00:22:48,270
S2: and bake in a lyric. I used to wake and

483
00:22:48,270 --> 00:22:50,609
S2: bake and and everything. I did seem better when I

484
00:22:50,609 --> 00:22:53,520
S2: was high. I've always been a big Casey fan. Um,

485
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,490
S2: I do think it's almost unfortunate that she's coming up

486
00:22:56,490 --> 00:22:58,980
S2: against Tiger's blood. Um, because I do think Tiger's Blood

487
00:22:58,980 --> 00:23:02,340
S2: probably is the slicker album. Um, and if you were

488
00:23:02,340 --> 00:23:05,850
S2: to put both on, you know, like in very similar environments,

489
00:23:05,850 --> 00:23:09,119
S2: I think Tiger's blood just melds around, you know, the

490
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,610
S2: general vibe much better. But I still really like this.

491
00:23:11,609 --> 00:23:13,710
S2: And yeah, I, you know, I find her an interesting artist.

492
00:23:13,710 --> 00:23:17,270
S2: I still get the sense that she's like. Not quite

493
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:20,780
S2: delivered her like seminal work just yet. Um, and so, like,

494
00:23:20,780 --> 00:23:23,450
S2: you know, everyone goes through this and, and maybe it'll

495
00:23:23,450 --> 00:23:25,730
S2: just take a bit longer to get to, you know,

496
00:23:25,730 --> 00:23:28,699
S2: peak Kacey Musgraves. But yeah, I still just find it

497
00:23:28,700 --> 00:23:31,400
S2: really interesting that we are in the midst of this.

498
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,770
S2: Like the more and more it's like we manifested this

499
00:23:33,770 --> 00:23:36,440
S2: country thing and then now it's like, it's seriously it's everywhere.

500
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,470
S3: Manifesting is like the right word to for this album. Yeah, yeah.

501
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:44,030
S2: But yeah, it's, you know, like we said with with

502
00:23:44,030 --> 00:23:46,190
S2: Katie Crutchfield. Like it's not really a case of her,

503
00:23:46,190 --> 00:23:48,050
S2: like latching onto a trend. She's very much been in

504
00:23:48,050 --> 00:23:51,260
S2: it for a while, but it just seems like more

505
00:23:51,260 --> 00:23:54,050
S2: and more people are like talking about country and across,

506
00:23:54,050 --> 00:23:56,540
S2: like all spectrums of the, you know, whether it's like

507
00:23:56,540 --> 00:23:58,730
S2: Beyonce about to release her thing and then you've got

508
00:23:58,730 --> 00:24:00,889
S2: these type of artists who really were doing it already.

509
00:24:00,890 --> 00:24:03,169
S2: But yeah, it's just like, it's a good time to

510
00:24:03,170 --> 00:24:04,070
S2: be a country hit.

511
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,830
S1: When you were talking about the kind of woowoo elements

512
00:24:06,830 --> 00:24:10,280
S1: of this album, it reminded me of a of a

513
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,440
S1: thought I had while I listened to it. I couldn't

514
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,960
S1: help but think of, like Lorde's, uh, most recent album,

515
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,280
S1: Solar Power, which is very familiar, uh, if you listen

516
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,280
S1: to this one, in terms of like those kinds of themes,

517
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,550
S1: that wellness aesthetic. And then I read, um, Laura Snipes

518
00:24:25,550 --> 00:24:28,850
S1: review of this record in Pitchfork. Laura Snipe, so I

519
00:24:28,850 --> 00:24:30,530
S1: think is one of the best music writers around. I

520
00:24:30,530 --> 00:24:32,450
S1: was she made a similar comment. I'm like, cool. I'm

521
00:24:32,450 --> 00:24:34,429
S1: not just like, you know, being a crazy person. But

522
00:24:34,430 --> 00:24:37,189
S1: she had a really interesting point. I thought she talked about, uh,

523
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:40,699
S1: this album and Solar Power by Lorde. Billie Eilish is

524
00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:44,389
S1: happier than ever, Hayley Williams pedal for armor. And she

525
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:46,879
S1: talked about all of these albums. And I think there's

526
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,189
S1: an element of this in Tiger's Blood as well, where

527
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:52,460
S1: these artists are kind of reckoning with the peak of

528
00:24:52,460 --> 00:24:55,280
S1: fame that they experienced a record or two records ago

529
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,070
S1: and are then withdrawing. They're not taking a big swing.

530
00:24:58,070 --> 00:25:00,560
S1: They're not trying to create an entirely new sound that

531
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,470
S1: they're sonically going to a place that feels a bit

532
00:25:03,470 --> 00:25:09,590
S1: more comfortable. But then writing about pretty simple things like,

533
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:12,410
S1: like not about being in love, not about divorce, not

534
00:25:12,410 --> 00:25:17,240
S1: these heady ideas around addiction and stuff, but just like, yeah,

535
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,030
S1: how Saturn's returned. That's pretty fun. Like, I used to

536
00:25:20,030 --> 00:25:22,129
S1: smoke and I don't smoke that much anymore, which I

537
00:25:22,130 --> 00:25:24,680
S1: think is nice. It's nice to withdraw to a place

538
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,590
S1: that feels a bit more intimate and not have to

539
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:30,680
S1: share necessarily, every single thing going on in your head

540
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,109
S1: and in your heart. But I wonder if part of

541
00:25:33,109 --> 00:25:35,510
S1: that is also because of the spotlight and the pressure

542
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:40,010
S1: that is shone on young female pop or music stars

543
00:25:40,010 --> 00:25:42,710
S1: in particular. And once you have a taste of that

544
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:47,510
S1: intense fame in this current era of social media pressure

545
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:50,090
S1: and everything being dissected, you kind of want to withdraw

546
00:25:50,090 --> 00:25:51,530
S1: a little bit. You're like, I'll make an album. I

547
00:25:51,530 --> 00:25:53,750
S1: hope it does well, but I don't necessarily want this

548
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:55,280
S1: to be one where I've got a tour for two

549
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,879
S1: years and just like, have my life interrogated as I

550
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,560
S1: did last time, if that makes sense.

551
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,020
S2: It's like basically the anti Taylor Swift movement then, because

552
00:26:03,020 --> 00:26:05,390
S2: she does the opposite, where she's like each album is

553
00:26:05,390 --> 00:26:08,900
S2: more and more like spectacularly popular and will be, you know,

554
00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:11,150
S2: follow a massive world tour.

555
00:26:11,150 --> 00:26:12,950
S3: Yeah. I mean, I think it's a really good point

556
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:15,890
S3: and it's a hard balance to find the kind of

557
00:26:15,890 --> 00:26:19,730
S3: withdrawing without losing substance, keeping that lightness that they're trying

558
00:26:19,730 --> 00:26:23,149
S3: to convey without making it feel like there's nothing to

559
00:26:23,150 --> 00:26:25,399
S3: hold on to. It is a very hard balance to

560
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:27,679
S3: to get right. And I do think, like some of

561
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,670
S3: these albums grow on you. And I think with Lorde's

562
00:26:31,670 --> 00:26:34,609
S3: Solar Power, the Clairo album you mentioned, they do grow

563
00:26:34,609 --> 00:26:36,260
S3: on you the more you listen to them, like they

564
00:26:36,260 --> 00:26:40,460
S3: might be albums that reward more serious and consistent listening

565
00:26:40,460 --> 00:26:43,220
S3: then the kind of immediate, you know, serotonin rush you

566
00:26:43,220 --> 00:26:44,720
S3: get when you hear, like, a pop banger.

567
00:26:45,230 --> 00:26:49,580
S1: Hmm. You mentioned, um, Taylor Swift, Thomas. It's really interesting. Like,

568
00:26:49,580 --> 00:26:53,360
S1: I feel like Evermore and Folklore fit into that sort

569
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,070
S1: of category. I think Evermore and Folklore would have been

570
00:26:55,070 --> 00:26:57,800
S1: albums that Taylor Swift would have struggled to tour on

571
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:02,420
S1: their own because they're so, like laid back and relatively

572
00:27:02,420 --> 00:27:05,480
S1: simple compared to the expected of others. So that's why

573
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,939
S1: they featured as part of the Eras tour, because you

574
00:27:07,940 --> 00:27:09,709
S1: can do it all. But I almost feel like that

575
00:27:09,710 --> 00:27:11,870
S1: was also tales of being like, look, I don't want

576
00:27:11,869 --> 00:27:15,080
S1: to do a whole new thing with a whole dramatic

577
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,020
S1: rollout and like, reinvent myself. I'm just going to make

578
00:27:18,020 --> 00:27:22,040
S1: good kind of, again, country, indie, Americana music that I'm

579
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,040
S1: really good at and not have to stress too much

580
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,040
S1: about the spectacle of it, which is interesting and like,

581
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,780
S1: I like none of this is to say that it's

582
00:27:29,780 --> 00:27:33,620
S1: good or bad. It's just interesting to observe maybe the

583
00:27:33,619 --> 00:27:36,770
S1: the recoil of some of these artists from where they

584
00:27:36,770 --> 00:27:38,030
S1: were a couple of years ago.

585
00:27:38,180 --> 00:27:40,970
S3: Yeah. And maybe that is a good segue into the

586
00:27:40,970 --> 00:27:44,000
S3: next album we wanted to talk about as well, Ariana Grande,

587
00:27:44,030 --> 00:27:47,240
S3: because I think her latest album, Eternal Sunshine, which is

588
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,500
S3: her first since 2020, it is her pulling back in

589
00:27:51,500 --> 00:27:54,980
S3: an Ariana Grande way, like, obviously the sounds are very different.

590
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,510
S5: Great thank.

591
00:27:56,510 --> 00:27:59,780
S3: You's. Thank you so much. Um, uh, obviously it's very

592
00:27:59,780 --> 00:28:02,330
S3: different to those two. It is a pop album, but

593
00:28:02,330 --> 00:28:05,030
S3: compared to the way she has usually belted out her

594
00:28:05,030 --> 00:28:08,270
S3: her songs, this is a way more subtle and less

595
00:28:08,270 --> 00:28:09,470
S3: showy album.

596
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,379
S7: I don't care what people say. We both know I

597
00:28:16,380 --> 00:28:18,090
S7: couldn't change you.

598
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,149
UU: I guess you could say the same.

599
00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:23,909
S7: Can't beat the reigns.

600
00:28:23,910 --> 00:28:28,560
UU: Truth. I've never seen someone lie like you do so much.

601
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,520
UU: Even you have to think it's true. Woo!

602
00:28:33,150 --> 00:28:35,699
S3: I mean, the other segue that sticks out with Kacey

603
00:28:35,700 --> 00:28:41,460
S3: Musgraves is the whole Saturn Returns thing. Everyone's Saturn is returning.

604
00:28:41,490 --> 00:28:45,330
S3: Ariana has a song about Saturn Returns. Obviously deeper well

605
00:28:45,330 --> 00:28:48,330
S3: is talking about a Saturn return. Um, scissor has a

606
00:28:48,330 --> 00:28:51,450
S3: song where she's talking about Saturn Returns as well. Adele

607
00:28:51,450 --> 00:28:54,000
S3: obviously talked about it when her kind of seminal 30

608
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,140
S3: album came out. Do you want.

609
00:28:55,140 --> 00:28:57,750
S1: To break it down for herself? Anyone listening who's not

610
00:28:57,750 --> 00:29:01,620
S1: familiar with the concept of one's Saturn Return?

611
00:29:01,770 --> 00:29:04,709
S3: Yeah. Look, I don't know astrologically, but something to do

612
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:07,920
S3: with Saturn returning. But I think essentially it's meant to

613
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,500
S3: be this thing that like, it happens every 30 years

614
00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:12,630
S3: or so. And when you're Saturn is in return, it's

615
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:16,080
S3: a time of great change and kind of pivotal decisions

616
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,690
S3: and movements in your life. And it given it happens

617
00:29:18,690 --> 00:29:21,330
S3: every 30 years or so. Obviously, a lot of these

618
00:29:21,330 --> 00:29:24,300
S3: singers are in their 30s now and big things are

619
00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:26,010
S3: happening in their life. And so they're calling it their

620
00:29:26,010 --> 00:29:28,290
S3: Saturn return. Actors have talked about it as well. Emma

621
00:29:28,290 --> 00:29:30,990
S3: Watson I mean, realistically, I think that's kind of a

622
00:29:30,990 --> 00:29:33,810
S3: natural period of change that people are now kind of

623
00:29:33,810 --> 00:29:36,000
S3: branding as a Saturn return to kind of try and

624
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,550
S3: make some meaning out of life. But still it's obviously

625
00:29:38,550 --> 00:29:40,620
S3: caught on at the moment. And yeah, it's a big

626
00:29:40,620 --> 00:29:43,890
S3: part of Ariana's album because this album comes on the

627
00:29:43,890 --> 00:29:46,050
S3: back of, you know, she was married, she's got to fall.

628
00:29:46,050 --> 00:29:48,630
S3: She's in a new relationship with her co-star Ethan Slater.

629
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:51,270
S3: There's been heaps of media attention on her, and this

630
00:29:51,270 --> 00:29:55,020
S3: album kind of very directly engages in, in all of

631
00:29:55,020 --> 00:29:58,410
S3: that speculation around her personal life in a very unabashed way.

632
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,670
UU: I'll play the villain if you need me to. I

633
00:30:02,670 --> 00:30:06,780
UU: know how this goes. Yeah, I'll be the one you

634
00:30:06,780 --> 00:30:10,590
UU: pay to see play the scene. Brother, can I please

635
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:15,540
UU: turn in like a dime. Wasting all the time thinking

636
00:30:15,540 --> 00:30:17,280
UU: like a creep in the night.

637
00:30:17,310 --> 00:30:18,750
S3: Kind of does the opposite. It is more of a

638
00:30:18,750 --> 00:30:21,000
S3: Taylor move. It's like this is my era. This is

639
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,030
S3: my stories. This is how I feel. Do you guys

640
00:30:24,030 --> 00:30:24,840
S3: like this album?

641
00:30:24,930 --> 00:30:28,800
S2: Not really, to be honest. Like, it's very short and

642
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,160
S2: it felt really like one long song to me. I've

643
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,640
S2: never been like a massive Ariana fan, and I think,

644
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,070
S2: you know, we've spoken so much about, I guess, like

645
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:40,740
S2: the current class of these like pop stars. We talk

646
00:30:40,740 --> 00:30:42,930
S2: about Taylor a lot. We did a particular episode on

647
00:30:42,930 --> 00:30:45,120
S2: Olivia and I both. I just find them both so

648
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:50,730
S2: much more talented and interesting and diverse than Ariana. Like,

649
00:30:50,730 --> 00:30:52,980
S2: I get her product and stuff and I can see

650
00:30:52,980 --> 00:30:55,350
S2: why people are really into her. And I think she's

651
00:30:55,350 --> 00:30:58,500
S2: obviously a talented performer, but I yeah, just in terms

652
00:30:58,500 --> 00:31:01,620
S2: of like musically, I don't really love her. And I,

653
00:31:01,620 --> 00:31:03,750
S2: I listened to this album twice, once on the train

654
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:06,090
S2: and once at home and again, like, I don't think

655
00:31:06,090 --> 00:31:08,190
S2: I could sit here and pull out like three big

656
00:31:08,190 --> 00:31:10,650
S2: moments for you. For me, it just blurred into one

657
00:31:10,650 --> 00:31:13,020
S2: really long song that I wanted to be over soon.

658
00:31:13,530 --> 00:31:15,690
S1: Yeah. It didn't. It didn't really hit for me either.

659
00:31:15,690 --> 00:31:18,060
S1: And I, I've enjoyed like around and stuff in the past,

660
00:31:18,060 --> 00:31:21,780
S1: but this one felt like a bit like tossed off. Right.

661
00:31:21,780 --> 00:31:23,850
S1: Like the the sound is very same. And that makes sense.

662
00:31:23,850 --> 00:31:28,140
S1: That's produced entirely by Max Madden and another Swedish producer

663
00:31:28,140 --> 00:31:30,960
S1: guy called Elias. So there's a very sameness to the sound,

664
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,730
S1: but also the lyrics feel like very uninspired. There's not

665
00:31:35,730 --> 00:31:38,790
S1: a lot I thought going on there that felt particularly

666
00:31:38,790 --> 00:31:42,690
S1: creative or fun, you know, with any particular hooks or

667
00:31:42,690 --> 00:31:46,290
S1: anything else? There are a couple of tracks that did

668
00:31:46,290 --> 00:31:48,510
S1: jump out only because, I mean, they've been part of

669
00:31:48,510 --> 00:31:51,930
S1: the discourse around the samples and interpolations. I think it

670
00:31:51,930 --> 00:31:54,959
S1: was the first single. Yes. And which is like a

671
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,680
S1: clear nod to To Vogue, uh, by by Madonna. But

672
00:31:59,220 --> 00:32:03,240
S1: there's this little controversy brewing about this track. We can't

673
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,290
S1: be friends.

674
00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:13,740
UU: Baby girl. It's just me and you. Because I know.

675
00:32:14,260 --> 00:32:18,550
S1: Argue if you listen to it sounds very similar to

676
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,270
S1: a little track by Robyn called Dancing on My Own.

677
00:32:23,860 --> 00:32:33,540
UU: Somebody said, you got a new friend. Does she love

678
00:32:33,540 --> 00:32:35,430
UU: you better than I can?

679
00:32:38,730 --> 00:32:41,460
S1: The song sounds a lot like that. Uh, Robin famously

680
00:32:41,460 --> 00:32:44,160
S1: did work very closely with Max Martin at the start

681
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,580
S1: of her career, but Max didn't produce Dancing on My Own,

682
00:32:47,580 --> 00:32:49,620
S1: and I'm really interested to see where this goes because

683
00:32:49,620 --> 00:32:53,490
S1: there is so much drama with artists referencing interpolating things

684
00:32:53,490 --> 00:32:57,510
S1: like Olivia Rodrigo's been, you know, criticized for not crediting songs,

685
00:32:57,510 --> 00:33:00,540
S1: and then people add credits and say, yes, that chord,

686
00:33:00,660 --> 00:33:04,229
S1: you know, progression was influenced by this. It's surprising to

687
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:07,830
S1: see Ariana not acknowledge this when so many of her

688
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:10,830
S1: songs in the past and on this album do explicitly

689
00:33:10,830 --> 00:33:14,670
S1: rely on interpolating old things. So that being the most

690
00:33:14,670 --> 00:33:17,310
S1: interesting part of this album is probably not a great

691
00:33:17,310 --> 00:33:20,310
S1: endorsement of it. Because I'm interested in the conversation, I

692
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:22,470
S1: don't really feel the need to listen to many of

693
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:23,400
S1: these songs again.

694
00:33:23,580 --> 00:33:25,860
S3: Yeah, I am interested in that because they do sound.

695
00:33:25,860 --> 00:33:27,870
S3: You know how sometimes when you hear artists claiming you

696
00:33:27,870 --> 00:33:30,330
S3: know that their sound is being ripped off? Sometimes you

697
00:33:30,330 --> 00:33:32,490
S3: have to listen quite carefully to kind of understand what's

698
00:33:32,490 --> 00:33:34,290
S3: going on. Even with some of the Olivia Rodrigo and

699
00:33:34,290 --> 00:33:37,350
S3: Taylor Swift ones, you can't automatically see Taylor Swift in it.

700
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:39,240
S3: But I mean, you really can't see that this is

701
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,209
S3: a complete. Well, it does sound like a Robin knockoff,

702
00:33:42,210 --> 00:33:45,090
S3: so that is interesting. I think maybe you guys are

703
00:33:45,090 --> 00:33:47,580
S3: being a bit harsh, I think. Yes. And is like catchy.

704
00:33:47,580 --> 00:33:49,560
S3: I really like the boys mind. Like, I think there's

705
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,160
S3: a real Y2K thing, which I think is quite fun

706
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,740
S3: on that. I don't want to break up again. Like,

707
00:33:55,740 --> 00:33:58,080
S3: I get what you're saying. I think it's a quieter album,

708
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,910
S3: so the hits aren't quite as in-your-face, but I do

709
00:33:59,910 --> 00:34:02,250
S3: think there's some good tracks on this and they are catchy,

710
00:34:02,250 --> 00:34:06,060
S3: though I completely agree with you that her lyrical ability is.

711
00:34:06,060 --> 00:34:08,430
S3: I mean, when you compare it to Tiger's Blood is

712
00:34:08,430 --> 00:34:10,770
S3: just not there. Like, she's not a great songwriter, but

713
00:34:10,770 --> 00:34:12,450
S3: I do think some of these songs are more catchy

714
00:34:12,450 --> 00:34:15,360
S3: and the album is not. I think it's still a

715
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:16,920
S3: highlight of the maybe, maybe.

716
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,239
S1: I mean, it went to number one. I said that

717
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,819
S1: Casey went to number two. It was beaten by Ariana's.

718
00:34:20,820 --> 00:34:23,970
S1: I mean, Ariana's obviously enormously popular. She's about to be

719
00:34:23,969 --> 00:34:27,150
S1: in wicked. That's going to be massive. It's pretty big

720
00:34:27,150 --> 00:34:29,549
S1: for her. Drop this album, get number one. And then

721
00:34:29,580 --> 00:34:33,870
S1: being probably what will be an extremely financially successful film.

722
00:34:33,870 --> 00:34:36,270
S1: It's so funny how like, I mean, I don't expect

723
00:34:36,270 --> 00:34:39,540
S1: Ariana to drop like a wicked themed solo album, but

724
00:34:39,540 --> 00:34:41,730
S1: it is just feels like these are in two completely

725
00:34:41,730 --> 00:34:45,839
S1: different universes. So more power to her, I guess. Flexibility

726
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,090
S1: and being able to do all of these things at

727
00:34:48,090 --> 00:34:48,750
S1: the same time.

728
00:34:48,750 --> 00:34:51,480
S2: She's such a musical theater kid, isn't she? She's just like,

729
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,730
S2: you can see her rock a Stanford or.

730
00:34:53,730 --> 00:34:54,540
S5: Whatever, and she's been.

731
00:34:54,540 --> 00:34:57,419
S3: Dressing kind of as the characters from wicked, like, oh,

732
00:34:57,420 --> 00:34:59,730
S3: she seems to be in red carpet appearances and stuff,

733
00:34:59,730 --> 00:35:01,440
S3: which is, yeah, not helping with that vibe.

734
00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:06,620
S1: Okay, so from one pop R&B album to another, this

735
00:35:06,620 --> 00:35:11,180
S1: is maybe after Tiger's Blood, my second fave release I've

736
00:35:11,180 --> 00:35:14,090
S1: heard this year. This is the debut album from Tyler,

737
00:35:14,090 --> 00:35:17,029
S1: the South African artist who had a really big hit

738
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:19,070
S1: last year with water.

739
00:35:19,820 --> 00:35:24,469
UU: Make me holler, make me lose my breath. Make me

740
00:35:24,469 --> 00:35:30,610
UU: wanna make me sweat. It made me hotter. Make me

741
00:35:30,610 --> 00:35:36,670
UU: lose my breath. Make me wanna come early. I could

742
00:35:36,670 --> 00:35:37,450
UU: keep my cool.

743
00:35:37,450 --> 00:35:40,150
S1: But tonight the album is self-titled. It's called Tyler. And yeah,

744
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:43,270
S1: it rocks. This is really, really fun. It's very Afrobeats, uh,

745
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:46,210
S1: infused pop music. The production is mad. She sounds awesome.

746
00:35:46,210 --> 00:35:48,580
S1: There's a consistent sort of feeling to the sound, but

747
00:35:48,580 --> 00:35:52,240
S1: the tracks are diverse and different and interesting enough that

748
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,390
S1: unlike the Ariana record, it doesn't really feel that same.

749
00:35:55,390 --> 00:35:58,420
S1: And there's some really fun collabs with who I think

750
00:35:58,420 --> 00:36:01,149
S1: some of the more interesting artists from around the world

751
00:36:01,150 --> 00:36:04,030
S1: right now is Nigerian rapper Tems. My favorite track is

752
00:36:04,030 --> 00:36:07,450
S1: this one jump that has gunna and this Jamaican dancehall

753
00:36:07,450 --> 00:36:08,890
S1: artist rap a skill bang.

754
00:36:08,980 --> 00:36:10,180
S8: That's what they prefer.

755
00:36:10,660 --> 00:36:13,030
UU: I don't touch no wheel cause I got a chauffeur

756
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:15,700
UU: for his class. How I get around the world. Just

757
00:36:15,700 --> 00:36:16,239
UU: miss me.

758
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,090
S7: With the drama. Unless you call me with the commas.

759
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,660
S7: Or do you turn the sound up. Cause we're about

760
00:36:22,660 --> 00:36:23,080
S7: to pour.

761
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:27,820
UU: The rounds up. I think Tyler's.

762
00:36:27,820 --> 00:36:31,030
S1: One to watch. Man, I think this record is is really,

763
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:31,689
S1: really good.

764
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,850
S3: Oh, man, I wish it was still summer because this

765
00:36:33,850 --> 00:36:37,270
S3: is like my album of summer. Like, right here. I was, like,

766
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:41,080
S3: a bit concerned because I thought water was, like, quite

767
00:36:41,260 --> 00:36:42,580
S3: like water was fun.

768
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:43,899
S5: Can you see this of you?

769
00:36:43,900 --> 00:36:45,370
S3: And I was a bit concerned. I was like, oh no,

770
00:36:45,370 --> 00:36:47,380
S3: they've now rushed this album out. Is this like a

771
00:36:47,380 --> 00:36:49,989
S3: tape McRae greedy situation? We've got one.

772
00:36:49,989 --> 00:36:50,860
S5: Really good.

773
00:36:50,860 --> 00:36:52,810
S3: Good song and then the rest of the album is

774
00:36:52,810 --> 00:36:54,820
S3: not really going to shine. But I mean, this feels

775
00:36:54,820 --> 00:36:57,100
S3: like a Rihanna void for me, right? Like it is

776
00:36:57,100 --> 00:37:00,010
S3: just so fun. And I think she described it. I

777
00:37:00,010 --> 00:37:02,410
S3: read an interview where she described it as it's sunny

778
00:37:02,410 --> 00:37:05,739
S3: with music bumping and everyone in ripped clothing, and that

779
00:37:05,739 --> 00:37:08,589
S3: is what this album gives me. Just good times vibe

780
00:37:08,590 --> 00:37:10,780
S3: and as well as like the features, which are all

781
00:37:10,780 --> 00:37:14,020
S3: really good, I thought Breathe Me was such a good song.

782
00:37:14,020 --> 00:37:16,660
S3: So yeah, I think this album will stick around and

783
00:37:16,660 --> 00:37:18,190
S3: I know we've got now a while to wait till

784
00:37:18,190 --> 00:37:20,230
S3: our summer, but I hope it survives. You know? I

785
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:22,090
S3: hope it's still on the radio then so we can

786
00:37:22,090 --> 00:37:22,660
S3: all enjoy it.

787
00:37:22,660 --> 00:37:25,509
S2: Yeah, I'm exactly the same. It's like just it's such

788
00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:28,870
S2: a fun album to listen to. Um, she says on

789
00:37:29,050 --> 00:37:30,190
S2: like on On and On, which is one of my

790
00:37:30,190 --> 00:37:32,919
S2: favorite songs, the follow up single to water, she says,

791
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,260
S2: let's take it back in time, party like it's 1995.

792
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,450
S2: And I'm like, she was probably like two years old.

793
00:37:37,450 --> 00:37:39,070
S2: I was like six then, but when I sing it,

794
00:37:39,070 --> 00:37:41,350
S2: I'm like, fuck yeah, let's go back to the 1995. Like,

795
00:37:41,350 --> 00:37:41,800
S2: it's just, I.

796
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,960
S1: Don't know if she would have been born then. Yeah.

797
00:37:44,290 --> 00:37:46,780
S2: How old is she? But, uh, yeah. Like I, I agree,

798
00:37:46,780 --> 00:37:49,239
S2: and it is weird. It feels almost like very much

799
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,870
S2: it's got that same energy, uh, as, like the early

800
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:56,020
S2: Rihanna vibes and, you know, this whole thing of, like, amapiano,

801
00:37:56,050 --> 00:37:59,020
S2: the South African kind of style that, you know, she like,

802
00:37:59,020 --> 00:38:02,230
S2: that's basically what she does. And just like watching and

803
00:38:02,230 --> 00:38:04,690
S2: reading her kind of take that to America, where they

804
00:38:04,690 --> 00:38:08,799
S2: often struggle to like, digest different styles has been really interesting.

805
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,530
S2: And I saw this article comparing her to like, the

806
00:38:11,530 --> 00:38:14,169
S2: early days of Shakira, when Shakira kind of came with this,

807
00:38:14,170 --> 00:38:16,570
S2: a heavy reggaeton and they just didn't know what to do,

808
00:38:16,570 --> 00:38:18,430
S2: but they knew they liked it. And I always find

809
00:38:18,430 --> 00:38:20,650
S2: that really interesting. Um, you know, and you've seen her,

810
00:38:20,650 --> 00:38:24,370
S2: she's now become almost part of the celebrity dialogue in America.

811
00:38:24,370 --> 00:38:25,960
S2: Like she I saw pictures of her the other day,

812
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,630
S2: like courtside at the Lakers and she was wearing a

813
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:31,270
S2: fucking wet singlet. That one of the Kanye singlets. Like

814
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:34,030
S2: she's in the guys now. People are talking about her.

815
00:38:34,030 --> 00:38:36,040
S2: And I just think she really deserves to be there.

816
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,710
S2: And I do suspect that she'll be like a big

817
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:40,600
S2: star for the next ten years.

818
00:38:41,140 --> 00:38:43,029
S1: Yeah. She said that she wants to be the first

819
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:46,900
S1: global pop megastar from Africa. I think that Shakira comparison

820
00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:49,570
S1: is so interesting because, yeah, I mean, like that kind

821
00:38:49,570 --> 00:38:52,930
S1: of music. Reggaeton is so big globally now, but it

822
00:38:52,930 --> 00:38:55,180
S1: took a long time and a lot of artists plugging

823
00:38:55,180 --> 00:38:57,820
S1: away to do it, not getting taken seriously in the

824
00:38:57,820 --> 00:39:00,520
S1: US for a while. I think streaming and the way

825
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,130
S1: that anyone around the world can access and find these

826
00:39:03,130 --> 00:39:05,950
S1: artists and boost their streaming numbers and kind of send

827
00:39:05,950 --> 00:39:10,390
S1: them viral, helps people like Tyler now, like, I guess,

828
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:13,510
S1: build an audience and get taken seriously. I think collaborating

829
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:18,009
S1: with that Afrobeats, the Nigerian rappers, the Jamaican dancehall stuff

830
00:39:18,010 --> 00:39:21,850
S1: is also really smart because that stuff has been bleeding

831
00:39:21,850 --> 00:39:24,069
S1: into like UK and US hip hop for the last

832
00:39:24,070 --> 00:39:27,339
S1: couple of years too. So really smart way to break

833
00:39:27,340 --> 00:39:30,340
S1: into a bunch of different genres. Yeah, I also like

834
00:39:30,340 --> 00:39:34,839
S1: your Rihanna comparison. Well, I wouldn't be surprised if Tyler

835
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,049
S1: ends up being someone that gets compared to her a

836
00:39:38,050 --> 00:39:39,160
S1: lot more in the future.

837
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:39,820
S9: Make me.

838
00:39:41,230 --> 00:39:41,350
S5: Do.

839
00:39:41,350 --> 00:39:41,890
S3: The dance.

840
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,480
S1: All right. There's there's one more album we wanted to touch,

841
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,440
S1: and we've talked about a bunch of really great women

842
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:01,690
S1: artists in some really interesting and exciting genres. My favorite genre,

843
00:40:02,140 --> 00:40:05,830
S1: Thomas favorite genre since we were kids was called hip hop.

844
00:40:06,130 --> 00:40:10,990
S1: I'm feeling pretty down and out on the genre right now.

845
00:40:10,989 --> 00:40:13,479
S1: I feel like we're in a funk with sandwiched by

846
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,570
S1: these like old guard of dudes who've run out of

847
00:40:16,570 --> 00:40:22,330
S1: things to say, and Kanye and this newer generation of like, younger,

848
00:40:22,330 --> 00:40:24,880
S1: very like, I'm going to make music for Spotify. I'm

849
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,780
S1: influenced by SoundCloud. I'll drop 2090 second tracks a week,

850
00:40:28,780 --> 00:40:31,600
S1: kind of a thing that just feels like a churn,

851
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,420
S1: and very few of those seems to break through. There

852
00:40:34,420 --> 00:40:35,650
S1: are a couple of cool hip hop things I do

853
00:40:35,650 --> 00:40:37,060
S1: want to shout out a little bit later on, but

854
00:40:37,060 --> 00:40:40,570
S1: like basically, I've not been feeling super excited. I heard

855
00:40:40,570 --> 00:40:44,350
S1: that there was a Future and Metro Boomin joint collaboration

856
00:40:44,350 --> 00:40:47,080
S1: album coming two of, I think, the most important and

857
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,020
S1: influential hip hop artists of the past. Like kind of

858
00:40:50,020 --> 00:40:53,589
S1: decade or decade and a half. Metro Boomin is, I think,

859
00:40:53,590 --> 00:40:55,689
S1: like one of the greatest producers of his generation. I

860
00:40:55,690 --> 00:40:58,600
S1: would compare him to Beethoven in terms of his composition

861
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,210
S1: and the kinds of music that he's made. He's produced

862
00:41:01,210 --> 00:41:03,880
S1: a stack of tracks with future already, including Low Life

863
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,669
S1: and Mask Off is a very big, popular track, so

864
00:41:06,670 --> 00:41:08,560
S1: the fact that they were working on a whole album

865
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:13,750
S1: together got me excited. Hip hop's coming back. The album dropped.

866
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:16,120
S1: It's called We Don't Trust You. It features guest appearances

867
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,080
S1: from The weekend, Travis Scott, Playboi Carti, Kendrick Lamar, Rick Ross.

868
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:25,180
S1: It attracted headlines because Kendrick's verse take some shots at

869
00:41:25,180 --> 00:41:27,400
S1: Drake and J. Cole. We get into that too. But man,

870
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:32,590
S1: I gotta say again, very underwhelmed. Like Metro Boomin delivers

871
00:41:32,590 --> 00:41:34,750
S1: on this album, he's very good at making beats.

872
00:41:35,140 --> 00:41:37,629
S10: I've been on a couple my toes, but I still

873
00:41:37,630 --> 00:41:40,569
S10: stuck to the car. Money, my pockets, my.

874
00:41:42,940 --> 00:41:45,160
UU: Taking my pollen out. Anything in?

875
00:41:46,830 --> 00:41:48,060
S10: Take me anywhere.

876
00:41:48,090 --> 00:41:52,290
UU: I'm taking over the truck. I see the real club. Where?

877
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:58,660
UU: Claudia pop in to reappear. Hide in Beverly Hills. I

878
00:41:58,660 --> 00:42:02,469
UU: got too much beer. I give a bitch cheers to

879
00:42:02,590 --> 00:42:02,770
UU: all the.

880
00:42:03,130 --> 00:42:07,029
S1: Creatures rapping about Porsche Cayenne. He's rhyming Cayenne with cayenne.

881
00:42:07,180 --> 00:42:09,790
S1: It's just like he seems to have given up and

882
00:42:09,790 --> 00:42:12,220
S1: he's now, I think, I don't know, sort of sadly

883
00:42:12,219 --> 00:42:15,610
S1: fall into that same category of these artists who know

884
00:42:15,610 --> 00:42:17,589
S1: that they'll get a stack of streams, whatever they release.

885
00:42:17,590 --> 00:42:19,300
S1: Not a lot of thought, not a lot of care.

886
00:42:19,420 --> 00:42:23,170
S1: Not feeling great about this album, but am enjoying the

887
00:42:23,170 --> 00:42:26,980
S1: hip hop beef that it seems to have ignited. Mel,

888
00:42:26,980 --> 00:42:29,530
S1: very interested in your thoughts on the trajectory of future

889
00:42:29,530 --> 00:42:32,230
S1: Metro Boomin and what this means for hip hop? What

890
00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:32,920
S1: do you got to say?

891
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:33,940
S5: Wow.

892
00:42:33,940 --> 00:42:37,600
S3: So I've only listened to this album once, which, uh, on,

893
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,600
S3: you know, just because I knew it was important to you. Um, I.

894
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:41,290
S1: Appreciate you doing.

895
00:42:41,290 --> 00:42:41,590
S5: That.

896
00:42:41,739 --> 00:42:46,060
S3: You're welcome. I was quite underwhelmed by, I don't know,

897
00:42:46,060 --> 00:42:47,830
S3: it just felt like a throwback to kind of hip

898
00:42:47,830 --> 00:42:51,220
S3: hop of ten, 15 years ago. And I'm like, I'm

899
00:42:51,219 --> 00:42:53,259
S3: not a huge fan of the genre or the kind

900
00:42:53,260 --> 00:42:56,950
S3: of hip hop I do listen to is often involves women. Um,

901
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:59,859
S3: but I yeah, I don't know. I found this album

902
00:42:59,860 --> 00:43:02,140
S3: kind of boring and predictable and like, I quite like

903
00:43:02,140 --> 00:43:04,810
S3: Kendrick and I actually kind of don't think he'd probably

904
00:43:04,810 --> 00:43:07,660
S3: make disses on his own album like this, which maybe

905
00:43:07,660 --> 00:43:10,419
S3: speaks to the respect that he has for this. Right?

906
00:43:10,420 --> 00:43:12,550
S3: Because that's not really what he does. It just felt

907
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:15,760
S3: like a bit of a silly album, but I'm excited

908
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,160
S3: to hear more from Thomas. You can explain the dis

909
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,319
S3: and also what you what you thought, because I'm sure

910
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,120
S3: there's lots going on that I'm not picking up in

911
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,160
S3: terms of the lyrics and the features.

912
00:43:24,489 --> 00:43:27,430
S2: Uh, yeah, I feel the same. Like it's funny watching

913
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:29,080
S2: this week. I don't know, like if you guys have

914
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,230
S2: seen it, but like on the internet, Doctor Dre has

915
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:34,660
S2: got his, like, Hollywood Walk of Fame star.

916
00:43:34,690 --> 00:43:39,880
S11: Chamber of Commerce. I now declare today, Doctor Dre Day

917
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:40,810
S11: in Hollywood.

918
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,550
S12: This is Dre Day, March 19th. Dre day. Okay. I love.

919
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:54,420
S2: It. You know how they do, though. Isn't often they have, like,

920
00:43:54,420 --> 00:43:57,210
S2: you know, famous friends come along to the unveiling and

921
00:43:57,210 --> 00:44:00,359
S2: at his one, it was like Dre, Snoop, Eminem and

922
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,169
S2: 50 cent, four of the greatest artists of all time.

923
00:44:04,170 --> 00:44:05,640
S2: But it was like, you know, just like so many

924
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,080
S2: of my friends, that was like the hip hop we

925
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,540
S2: grew up with. And, you know, all of them in

926
00:44:09,540 --> 00:44:11,399
S2: their own ways, have become like, you know, have not

927
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,469
S2: aged particularly well. But when I think back to like

928
00:44:13,469 --> 00:44:16,290
S2: the albums like 2001 and Still Dre and like The

929
00:44:16,290 --> 00:44:20,160
S2: Chronic like this was like really the hip hop that

930
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,410
S2: I think informed a lot of my tastes. And even

931
00:44:22,410 --> 00:44:24,810
S2: as I've grown like to see that and then to

932
00:44:24,810 --> 00:44:26,580
S2: look at where we are now, like, I just find

933
00:44:26,580 --> 00:44:32,910
S2: this joint project to be, like, so indicative of probably

934
00:44:32,910 --> 00:44:35,580
S2: all the problems that streaming has created. Like these people

935
00:44:35,580 --> 00:44:39,209
S2: just pump out works now without any consideration. I found

936
00:44:39,210 --> 00:44:41,730
S2: this album so boring, like an even and even, you know,

937
00:44:41,730 --> 00:44:43,320
S2: we talked about it a lot, but even like Drake,

938
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,450
S2: who I love, like For All the Dogs again like

939
00:44:45,450 --> 00:44:47,490
S2: that really did nothing for me. The album before that,

940
00:44:47,489 --> 00:44:49,860
S2: nothing for me. Like it's just that this race to

941
00:44:49,860 --> 00:44:52,710
S2: produce content and get it out and, and perhaps in

942
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:55,410
S2: every project is like 1 to 2 good songs, but like,

943
00:44:55,410 --> 00:44:58,380
S2: I can't sit here. Besides, probably for Me To Pimp

944
00:44:58,380 --> 00:45:01,469
S2: a Butterfly, the last great like, hip hop album, it

945
00:45:01,469 --> 00:45:04,410
S2: feels like the genre is like collapsing in on itself

946
00:45:04,410 --> 00:45:06,629
S2: at a time when all these other genres are like

947
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:08,370
S2: going from strength to strength. Like we are really in

948
00:45:08,370 --> 00:45:10,469
S2: this country here, a bit. Hip hop, which celebrated its

949
00:45:10,469 --> 00:45:14,190
S2: like 50th birthday last year and should be arguably, you know,

950
00:45:14,489 --> 00:45:16,920
S2: it's the dominant genre of pop culture in a lot

951
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,830
S2: of ways. It informs like the way people talk and

952
00:45:19,830 --> 00:45:21,540
S2: dress and all these different things, and yet it seems

953
00:45:21,540 --> 00:45:24,900
S2: to be like, absolutely. On life support and the very

954
00:45:24,900 --> 00:45:27,270
S2: sad reality that the biggest headline or talking points come

955
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:29,610
S2: out of this is like fucking two lines from Kendrick

956
00:45:29,610 --> 00:45:33,030
S2: about Drake and and J. Cole just feels like an

957
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:34,740
S2: indictment on the whole album. Now, I was gonna.

958
00:45:34,739 --> 00:45:36,839
S3: Say it's actually quite nice hearing you say that, because

959
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,460
S3: when I was listening to it, as someone who's not

960
00:45:38,460 --> 00:45:40,230
S3: so well versed in kind of obviously I know all

961
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:42,239
S3: these big albums that you're talking about and all the

962
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,549
S3: kind of milestone ones, but someone who's not so well

963
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:47,490
S3: versed into it, and my first impression being the exact

964
00:45:47,489 --> 00:45:50,550
S3: same as your impression, really does speak to there being,

965
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:53,549
S3: you know, something going on in this genre that's not great. Mhm.

966
00:45:53,820 --> 00:45:56,190
S1: Yeah. And even even the beef I mean everyone's like

967
00:45:56,190 --> 00:45:57,960
S1: wanting to talk about it because it seems exciting but

968
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,380
S1: like like who cares. Like literally who cares. This was

969
00:46:01,380 --> 00:46:04,440
S1: ten years ago when these guys were like super relevant

970
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,950
S1: and like super interesting and driving culture forward maybe. But like,

971
00:46:07,950 --> 00:46:10,290
S1: no one even really knows what it's about. Is it

972
00:46:10,290 --> 00:46:14,250
S1: about like this goal? Is it about, you know, like nothing.

973
00:46:14,250 --> 00:46:17,730
S1: Is it just an attempt to drum up controversy? Probably.

974
00:46:17,730 --> 00:46:19,859
S1: I can't get excited about it. I think what you

975
00:46:19,860 --> 00:46:23,820
S1: articulated about the, the state of, of rap is really,

976
00:46:23,820 --> 00:46:28,469
S1: really sharp. I think maybe, maybe some of it was inevitable.

977
00:46:28,469 --> 00:46:33,210
S1: Like when your genre, your culture becomes so big, so successful,

978
00:46:33,210 --> 00:46:35,700
S1: you're at the peak, there's nowhere to go but down.

979
00:46:35,700 --> 00:46:40,110
S1: And this, this current mode of just pumping out these records,

980
00:46:40,110 --> 00:46:43,560
S1: doing it from a streaming perspective, keeping the beast fed

981
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,200
S1: like the bottom will fall out of that eventually. And

982
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,799
S1: some interesting artists will come through from what's left. Maybe

983
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:54,120
S1: engaging with country stuff, who knows? But definitely the most interesting,

984
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,730
S1: like hip hop records I've listened to lately, are coming

985
00:46:56,730 --> 00:46:59,790
S1: from artists who haven't released stuff in a very long time,

986
00:46:59,790 --> 00:47:03,870
S1: and that's great because you know that they've thought about it,

987
00:47:03,870 --> 00:47:06,120
S1: you know that they really want to come back and

988
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,569
S1: say something interesting. One of those is Schoolboy Q's record,

989
00:47:09,570 --> 00:47:12,359
S1: Blue Lips. It's been five years since the last schoolboy

990
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,750
S1: Q record. It's really good. It's really exciting. It's different.

991
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:16,500
S1: It's fun.

992
00:47:17,770 --> 00:47:20,750
S13: Bring the money. Bring it over now.

993
00:47:20,780 --> 00:47:23,900
UU: Bring the money back. And bring the dope and bring

994
00:47:23,900 --> 00:47:26,540
UU: the money back here. Bring the dope. Bring it home.

995
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:29,750
UU: Bring the money back. Bring. Don't bring the whole. Bring

996
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:31,189
UU: the money back. To bring.

997
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:35,719
S13: The. Does not bring the money back. To bring the

998
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:41,479
S13: money back. To pay off the money back to. Bring

999
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:45,230
S13: the money back saying we got drunk. Bring the money back.

1000
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,340
S1: He says a lot of interesting and smart things. It's great.

1001
00:47:49,340 --> 00:47:52,580
S1: It doesn't feel like he's just feeding the Spotify algorithm

1002
00:47:52,580 --> 00:47:54,140
S1: for the sake of it. The other one that I

1003
00:47:54,140 --> 00:47:55,760
S1: wanted to mention, I don't know if you guys are

1004
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,759
S1: across James, he's a rapper from Queens who's in Das

1005
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,150
S1: Racist and Sweatshop Boys, which was his collaboration with Ahmed,

1006
00:48:02,180 --> 00:48:04,850
S1: the actor. He's got this new album called La Fonda.

1007
00:48:04,850 --> 00:48:08,060
S1: It's awesome. Again, I think it's his first solo album

1008
00:48:08,060 --> 00:48:10,160
S1: or his first project in a very long time. So

1009
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,219
S1: there are these cool things bubbling away. But as far

1010
00:48:13,219 --> 00:48:16,940
S1: as like mainstream commercial hip hop, even that used to

1011
00:48:16,940 --> 00:48:19,489
S1: be really, really good and really, really interesting and I

1012
00:48:19,489 --> 00:48:22,279
S1: just don't think it is anymore. So I feel a

1013
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,589
S1: bit sad about it. I'm very stoked to have these

1014
00:48:24,590 --> 00:48:27,410
S1: great other records like we're talking about to listen to,

1015
00:48:27,410 --> 00:48:30,050
S1: but I'm waiting for someone to come through and like,

1016
00:48:30,050 --> 00:48:33,710
S1: rescue mainstream rap. I feel like you would feel similarly, Thomas.

1017
00:48:33,980 --> 00:48:36,680
S2: I do, and that's why Osborne and I are announcing

1018
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,340
S2: our joint project today. No, I agree, uh, like, you know,

1019
00:48:40,340 --> 00:48:41,960
S2: it is it is really fun to be in this

1020
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,230
S2: era of like country dominance. And we all love country

1021
00:48:45,230 --> 00:48:49,340
S2: here except for Mel. But like, it's hopefully, uh, maybe

1022
00:48:49,340 --> 00:48:52,070
S2: this time next year we'll be talking about a resurgence

1023
00:48:52,070 --> 00:48:53,930
S2: in hip hop or in the next few years at least.

1024
00:48:53,930 --> 00:48:56,719
S2: But yeah, I think you are really right in that we,

1025
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,239
S2: you know, hip hop just had such a huge, like

1026
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,870
S2: massive explosion and seeped into every aspect of culture. And

1027
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:06,440
S2: and now it's become so diluted that, you know, like

1028
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,080
S2: it's just found itself kind of painted into a corner

1029
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,390
S2: and no one really knows what's good anymore or what

1030
00:49:11,390 --> 00:49:14,569
S2: constitutes like the culture. And so, yeah, I it is

1031
00:49:14,570 --> 00:49:16,190
S2: a funny place for it to be in. But I

1032
00:49:16,190 --> 00:49:17,569
S2: will always have hope.

1033
00:49:17,570 --> 00:49:19,399
S3: And I do think like that is the natural way

1034
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,189
S3: of kind of cultural change and how it happens, you know,

1035
00:49:22,190 --> 00:49:25,820
S3: each decade and each generation like these, this is how

1036
00:49:25,820 --> 00:49:30,680
S3: waves of change happen. The act, the reaction, the act. Like,

1037
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,920
S3: I guess I can see how you know something new

1038
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,570
S3: and good will come out of this, but maybe that

1039
00:49:35,570 --> 00:49:38,299
S3: kind of golden moment has passed in the same way

1040
00:49:38,300 --> 00:49:40,489
S3: you guys might say it's past the prestige TV or,

1041
00:49:40,489 --> 00:49:42,680
S3: you know, you do see, in other genres as well.

1042
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,670
S1: I mean, we wanted to talk about this just briefly,

1043
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:47,770
S1: but like, I think it's indicative of where things are

1044
00:49:47,770 --> 00:49:52,839
S1: at that Beyoncé is making a country record. Lana Del

1045
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:57,040
S1: Rey is making a country record. Taylor Swift tortured police

1046
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,839
S1: department don't know much about it, but like, it's not

1047
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,180
S1: going to be hip hop. Um, but, you know, she

1048
00:50:01,180 --> 00:50:03,250
S1: did she did flirt with that genre like, and has

1049
00:50:03,250 --> 00:50:06,310
S1: in the past that there's, there's a sonic pivot away

1050
00:50:06,310 --> 00:50:09,490
S1: from the influence of rap and R&B in this current

1051
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,310
S1: era of pop music. That's exciting. Like, I'm excited for

1052
00:50:12,310 --> 00:50:15,280
S1: the Beyonce record. I'm excited for the Lana record. Do

1053
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,100
S1: you guys have any any sort of vibes about how

1054
00:50:18,100 --> 00:50:19,570
S1: you feel about those?

1055
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,089
S2: Yeah, I mean, I think I'm really excited for the

1056
00:50:22,090 --> 00:50:25,450
S2: Beyonce record just because like, a Beyonce release is like

1057
00:50:25,450 --> 00:50:27,879
S2: a moment, you know, and all three of us, I think,

1058
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,810
S2: get really excited about cultural moments that like sees everyone's

1059
00:50:31,810 --> 00:50:34,660
S2: obsession and people pick apart. We are all that way inclined,

1060
00:50:34,660 --> 00:50:37,450
S2: I would say. So, like any Beyonce album, is like

1061
00:50:37,450 --> 00:50:40,870
S2: a time to lock in and engage with, like the visuals,

1062
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:43,330
S2: the lyrics, the music. So like I in that respect,

1063
00:50:43,330 --> 00:50:45,250
S2: I'm really excited. I'm also like the two songs that

1064
00:50:45,250 --> 00:50:47,830
S2: have been released. I feel like, um, Texas Hold'em. I'm

1065
00:50:47,830 --> 00:50:52,690
S2: like already got fatigue with it's just on everyone's Instagram story. So, uh,

1066
00:50:52,690 --> 00:50:55,210
S2: in that way I'm like, oh, but it's funny. Like

1067
00:50:55,300 --> 00:50:58,029
S2: I'm really excited for that. I'm excited for Lana Del Rey.

1068
00:50:58,030 --> 00:51:00,070
S2: I do think, and this is through no fault of

1069
00:51:00,070 --> 00:51:02,650
S2: her own. Um, but like Taylor Swift having a new

1070
00:51:02,650 --> 00:51:05,050
S2: record in less than, like three weeks, I'm like, oh God,

1071
00:51:05,050 --> 00:51:06,760
S2: I feel like I'm still recovering from that.

1072
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,530
S1: I mean, through no fault of her own kind of

1073
00:51:08,530 --> 00:51:11,020
S1: fault over just being absolutely everywhere.

1074
00:51:11,020 --> 00:51:14,260
S2: And yeah, but like I guess specifically in Australia here,

1075
00:51:14,260 --> 00:51:14,950
S2: like we and.

1076
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:16,630
S1: Yeah. Right. Right, right. Yeah, yeah.

1077
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:20,140
S2: Consumed and covered her um, so much. And so the

1078
00:51:20,140 --> 00:51:22,479
S2: fact that we'll be like, I've been quite enjoying my

1079
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:23,380
S2: Taylor break.

1080
00:51:23,380 --> 00:51:25,990
S1: We see those photos of her and Travis in the Bahamas.

1081
00:51:26,110 --> 00:51:28,900
S5: Yeah, I did actually. Okay. Wow.

1082
00:51:29,290 --> 00:51:35,500
S2: Like, he's got a pretty ordinary rig. He's like a

1083
00:51:35,500 --> 00:51:37,990
S2: tight end. Like, in for, like, an NFL player. And

1084
00:51:37,989 --> 00:51:39,819
S2: he looks like, I don't know I actually.

1085
00:51:39,820 --> 00:51:40,509
S5: Like try that with the.

1086
00:51:40,510 --> 00:51:41,320
S3: NFL players.

1087
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:41,529
S5: All right.

1088
00:51:41,530 --> 00:51:45,250
S1: The season's the season's finished right. He's been out partying.

1089
00:51:45,250 --> 00:51:47,890
S1: He's been traveling. He's been you know going to Nobu.

1090
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,080
S1: You know he's he's he's he's letting himself have some

1091
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,270
S1: fun I don't know if we want to like you

1092
00:51:52,270 --> 00:51:55,000
S1: know he's probably not in his peak performance like Thomas Hue.

1093
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,640
S1: When we're not recording these videos, you sometimes, you know,

1094
00:51:57,790 --> 00:51:59,710
S1: you indulge a bit more and then you get to

1095
00:51:59,710 --> 00:52:01,330
S1: your peak shape. No, no.

1096
00:52:01,330 --> 00:52:03,190
S2: He said he just he just looked so regular. But

1097
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:03,460
S2: do you.

1098
00:52:03,460 --> 00:52:05,530
S3: Feel like the NFL players are often like that? I

1099
00:52:05,530 --> 00:52:07,480
S3: feel like they're not kind of they're not like the

1100
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,879
S3: basketball players. Well, not all the basketball players, but like,

1101
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,610
S3: you know, they're not physically always that fit. Obviously the

1102
00:52:12,610 --> 00:52:15,700
S3: quarterbacks are. But some of those other they're just muscle right.

1103
00:52:15,700 --> 00:52:17,469
S3: Like hired help. They're just.

1104
00:52:17,469 --> 00:52:18,129
S5: Bulk.

1105
00:52:18,219 --> 00:52:20,920
S2: Yes sure. I guess I'll probably end up texting uh,

1106
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:21,850
S2: he's dead.

1107
00:52:21,850 --> 00:52:22,239
S5: He's dead.

1108
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:23,200
S2: So we've got like a we have a story, we've

1109
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,460
S2: got like a weird text relationship now.

1110
00:52:24,460 --> 00:52:25,780
S1: No, you have not told me this.

1111
00:52:26,140 --> 00:52:29,109
S2: So like, I obviously interviewed him. When for that story

1112
00:52:29,110 --> 00:52:32,050
S2: when Taylor was out here. And then on the day that.

1113
00:52:32,050 --> 00:52:34,660
S2: What's the brother's name? Jason. When Jason Kelsey retired, he

1114
00:52:34,660 --> 00:52:37,060
S2: did a really nice. Did you guys see his retirement speech? Yeah,

1115
00:52:37,060 --> 00:52:37,630
S2: it was beautiful.

1116
00:52:37,630 --> 00:52:39,610
S1: Everyone was tearing up. It was like.

1117
00:52:39,700 --> 00:52:41,350
S2: I was like a bit boozed.

1118
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,810
S5: And I was like, I'm gonna text Editor Kelsey.

1119
00:52:43,810 --> 00:52:45,279
S2: And so I texted him, I'm like, hey, man, just

1120
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:46,870
S2: watch your son's thing. It was amazing. And then he

1121
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:49,120
S2: loved harder. It was like, thanks. We are so proud.

1122
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,720
S2: So now there's, like, communication open, um, between me and

1123
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:53,380
S2: editor Kelsey.

1124
00:52:53,380 --> 00:52:56,500
S1: You should tell him you think his son, his other son, Travis,

1125
00:52:56,530 --> 00:52:58,540
S1: is not looking that great. See what he said? Yeah, maybe.

1126
00:52:58,540 --> 00:53:00,100
S2: I'll take a screenshot and send it to him and

1127
00:53:00,100 --> 00:53:00,850
S2: be like, what's.

1128
00:53:00,969 --> 00:53:01,450
S5: You working on?

1129
00:53:01,450 --> 00:53:03,009
S2: This is okay. Look, I.

1130
00:53:03,010 --> 00:53:04,900
S1: Thought they look nice. So having a nice time, I

1131
00:53:04,900 --> 00:53:06,430
S1: felt a bit sad that they sort of got papped

1132
00:53:06,430 --> 00:53:09,250
S1: for it, but yeah, they're in love. Remember like a

1133
00:53:09,250 --> 00:53:12,040
S1: few months ago when we're all convinced it was, uh,

1134
00:53:12,130 --> 00:53:14,020
S1: not all of us. Some of us were convinced that

1135
00:53:14,020 --> 00:53:15,879
S1: it was not real. It feels very real. I'm very

1136
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:16,600
S1: happy for them.

1137
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,420
S2: It does? Yeah. And yes, I am constantly reminded by

1138
00:53:19,420 --> 00:53:20,980
S2: some of my friends about what I said at the

1139
00:53:20,980 --> 00:53:22,359
S2: start of the relationship when I was like, it's.

1140
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:22,960
S9: All set up.

1141
00:53:23,650 --> 00:53:25,239
S2: So weird that for the first time I was wrong.

1142
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:26,590
S3: It's good for you to be held to account. I

1143
00:53:26,590 --> 00:53:27,790
S3: think sometimes.

1144
00:53:27,790 --> 00:53:28,330
S5: Before we.

1145
00:53:28,330 --> 00:53:31,029
S1: Wrap up the music part of this podcast, um, that

1146
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:34,000
S1: was a fun little detour. There was one other thing

1147
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,550
S1: that I wanted to show that we are an Australian podcast. And,

1148
00:53:36,550 --> 00:53:38,710
S1: you know, we've talked a bit about Australian music on

1149
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:40,480
S1: the show this year. I shout out the middle kids record,

1150
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,209
S1: which I thought was really good, but there's an EP

1151
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:48,430
S1: from this Melbourne trio called Glass Beams, which I really,

1152
00:53:48,430 --> 00:54:08,170
S1: really like. This band is way bigger internationally than they

1153
00:54:08,170 --> 00:54:11,770
S1: are in Australia. The EP is called Mahal, that very

1154
00:54:11,770 --> 00:54:18,160
S1: khruangbin sort of vibes from Glass Beams, psychedelic jazz, funk stuff, instrumental.

1155
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,469
S1: They've been blowing up all over the world. I think

1156
00:54:20,469 --> 00:54:23,859
S1: they've got nearly a million Instagram followers now. They've got

1157
00:54:23,860 --> 00:54:28,300
S1: more than a million monthly Spotify listens. That global tour

1158
00:54:28,330 --> 00:54:31,060
S1: across Europe and the Middle East, I think is basically

1159
00:54:31,060 --> 00:54:33,520
S1: sold out. Very cool aesthetic. When they perform, they wear

1160
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,330
S1: these like bejeweled kind of masks, so you don't really

1161
00:54:37,330 --> 00:54:41,049
S1: know who they are if you're into that Khruangbin sound.

1162
00:54:41,050 --> 00:54:43,870
S1: Could not recommend glass beams more. Really stoked to see

1163
00:54:43,870 --> 00:54:47,620
S1: this Melbourne group get a lot of love internationally. Anything

1164
00:54:47,620 --> 00:54:48,759
S1: else you guys want to shout out?

1165
00:54:48,910 --> 00:54:52,270
S3: Have you listened to Empress of new album?

1166
00:54:52,270 --> 00:54:52,840
S5: No, no.

1167
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,760
S3: This is like when we're talking about what era I'm in.

1168
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,509
S3: I think this is my era. It's called For Your Consideration.

1169
00:54:58,510 --> 00:54:59,500
S3: It's so fun.

1170
00:55:00,910 --> 00:55:03,640
S14: Decision.

1171
00:55:04,830 --> 00:55:06,480
S7: For your courses.

1172
00:55:08,460 --> 00:55:23,760
UU: Iteration for your classes. Iteration. You sent me photos from

1173
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:24,989
UU: other hemispheres.

1174
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,930
S3: You said it's just a bit silly. There's great songs.

1175
00:55:30,930 --> 00:55:34,770
S3: Lorelei Tsuchiya, which means dirty in Spanish. Um, it's got

1176
00:55:34,770 --> 00:55:38,730
S3: really cool features. Rina Sawayama on it. Muna. I think

1177
00:55:38,730 --> 00:55:41,310
S3: it's a really fun album and worth a hit. Like

1178
00:55:41,310 --> 00:55:42,750
S3: if you're kind of in the I mean, I'm not

1179
00:55:42,750 --> 00:55:45,690
S3: going to compare it to, um, to Tyler, but it's

1180
00:55:45,690 --> 00:55:49,050
S3: it is a fun album. Silly, a bit ironic. I

1181
00:55:49,050 --> 00:55:50,910
S3: think it's really good. It's the best thing she's done.

1182
00:55:50,910 --> 00:55:53,310
S3: So yeah, if you don't want the heavy rap, try that.

1183
00:55:53,310 --> 00:55:55,500
S2: We'd be bumping that on the way to Europe this week.

1184
00:55:55,500 --> 00:55:56,190
S5: I absolutely.

1185
00:55:56,190 --> 00:55:58,440
S3: Will be. It is a good holiday mood.

1186
00:55:58,620 --> 00:56:01,860
S1: Before we wrap up the episode for the week, we

1187
00:56:01,860 --> 00:56:05,400
S1: have our usual Impress Your Friends segment where we share

1188
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,390
S1: something we watched, listened to, read, or otherwise enjoyed. Thomas,

1189
00:56:09,390 --> 00:56:10,410
S1: why don't you go first?

1190
00:56:10,770 --> 00:56:14,700
S2: Uh, okay, cool. I am going to start impress My

1191
00:56:14,700 --> 00:56:16,950
S2: friends by impressing both of my friends on this podcast,

1192
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:18,990
S2: because I think I have a show that you are

1193
00:56:18,989 --> 00:56:22,590
S2: both going to lose your minds over. Wow. It comes

1194
00:56:22,590 --> 00:56:25,860
S2: out here on binge in two days on March the 30th.

1195
00:56:25,860 --> 00:56:28,920
S2: It is Jared Carmichael reality show. Do you guys know

1196
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:29,970
S2: about this show? I don't know.

1197
00:56:29,969 --> 00:56:32,250
S1: About the show. I've obviously know Jared Carmichael very into

1198
00:56:32,250 --> 00:56:32,970
S1: Jared Carmichael.

1199
00:56:32,969 --> 00:56:36,390
S2: So yes okay. Excited. Just so next week or in

1200
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:38,550
S2: two weeks, we'll pull this clip when you guys are like,

1201
00:56:38,550 --> 00:56:40,560
S2: Holy shit, man, this is one of the best shows

1202
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:45,390
S2: of the year. It is such a crazy like experimental show.

1203
00:56:45,390 --> 00:56:47,910
S2: Basically Jared Carmichael, who will, I think, kind of enjoy.

1204
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:50,759
S2: He's a he's a comedian. He's a super smart guy. Um,

1205
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,430
S2: he won an Emmy for his 2022 special with Daniel

1206
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:56,070
S2: where he came out, and he's basically one of the

1207
00:56:56,070 --> 00:56:58,860
S2: most interesting comics, I think, working right now. This show

1208
00:56:58,860 --> 00:57:02,430
S2: is really like he's basically made a reality show about himself.

1209
00:57:02,430 --> 00:57:05,460
S2: It is like every inch of his life. He's invited

1210
00:57:05,460 --> 00:57:09,690
S2: cameras into it, features like really uncomfortable conversations with his parents,

1211
00:57:09,690 --> 00:57:13,170
S2: his friends, his lover. You know, in the first episode,

1212
00:57:13,170 --> 00:57:16,140
S2: he basically sits down with Tyler, the creator, and has this,

1213
00:57:16,140 --> 00:57:21,450
S2: like excruciating conversation where he asks Tyler why Tyler cut

1214
00:57:21,450 --> 00:57:23,760
S2: him out of his life after Jerrod told Tyler that

1215
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,580
S2: he had feelings for him. But it's like he says

1216
00:57:26,580 --> 00:57:29,160
S2: in the trailer, I'm trying to Truman Show myself, and

1217
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,320
S2: it really is a perfect description. It's one of the

1218
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,830
S2: most original TV shows I've seen since The Curse. Jared

1219
00:57:34,830 --> 00:57:37,800
S2: is very likable. You guys will love this. I can't

1220
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,750
S2: recommend it. And also, if you tell your friends that

1221
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:42,120
S2: you watch this show, you'll sound really smart. So that's

1222
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:43,170
S2: my one for this week.

1223
00:57:43,170 --> 00:57:45,240
S1: That's the point of this segment. That sounds awesome. I

1224
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,090
S1: feel like a lot of people probably know Jerrod Carmichael

1225
00:57:48,090 --> 00:57:50,070
S1: from his monologue at the Globes a couple of years

1226
00:57:50,070 --> 00:57:52,380
S1: ago when he when he brought the Globes kind of

1227
00:57:52,380 --> 00:57:54,300
S1: back and made a lot of fun of them for,

1228
00:57:54,300 --> 00:57:56,700
S1: for kind of race related reasons. But I'm really hot

1229
00:57:56,700 --> 00:57:58,320
S1: for that show. Thanks for putting it on the radar.

1230
00:57:58,350 --> 00:57:59,850
S5: Yeah, that sounds so good.

1231
00:58:00,450 --> 00:58:01,500
S1: Mel, what have you got?

1232
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,870
S3: All right, I've picked a book. Whatever. Go make your comments.

1233
00:58:03,870 --> 00:58:06,150
S3: Go on. I picked a book and I'm happy with

1234
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:09,630
S3: my choice. It's called martyr. It's by the Iranian American

1235
00:58:09,630 --> 00:58:15,030
S3: poet Keva Akhbar. It is such an amazing debut. I

1236
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:18,570
S3: feel like very often, like I read so many debuts

1237
00:58:18,570 --> 00:58:20,610
S3: and they never. What was.

1238
00:58:20,610 --> 00:58:22,110
S5: That? What did you say? It just.

1239
00:58:22,110 --> 00:58:22,560
S2: Sounded like a.

1240
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,709
S5: Flex. Oh, no. I'm drowning in debuts. All I'm doing

1241
00:58:25,710 --> 00:58:26,610
S5: is the opposite.

1242
00:58:27,150 --> 00:58:29,430
S3: It's the opposite of it. So many kind of don't

1243
00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:31,740
S3: hit the mark that this is like, properly an author

1244
00:58:31,740 --> 00:58:33,600
S3: to watch. And I kind of got wind of this

1245
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,210
S3: because the New York Times Book Review put it on

1246
00:58:36,210 --> 00:58:38,760
S3: its cover. And like, it's very rare for them to

1247
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,700
S3: give that much space and attention to a debut author. And,

1248
00:58:41,700 --> 00:58:43,140
S3: you know, what they put on their cover is kind

1249
00:58:43,140 --> 00:58:45,600
S3: of the book that they are saying is the important one.

1250
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,810
S3: This is, um, the story. It follows a young man

1251
00:58:48,810 --> 00:58:51,270
S3: born in Persia. He was taken to the States by

1252
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:55,110
S3: his father. His mother was on the Iran Air Flight 655,

1253
00:58:55,110 --> 00:58:57,900
S3: which was shot down, um, by the US when it

1254
00:58:57,900 --> 00:59:01,050
S3: was on its way over the Persian Gulf to to Dubai.

1255
00:59:01,050 --> 00:59:05,100
S3: And he's kind of struggled with, you know, mental illness, depression, addiction.

1256
00:59:05,100 --> 00:59:08,550
S3: He's trying to write poetry. It's just a really well

1257
00:59:08,550 --> 00:59:11,970
S3: done book. It's very interesting but funny. It's not just

1258
00:59:11,970 --> 00:59:14,730
S3: a straight read. It's doing something different. It's dealing with

1259
00:59:14,730 --> 00:59:16,800
S3: a lot of big issues, but in a way that

1260
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:18,960
S3: doesn't feel to play music. I just think it's a

1261
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,620
S3: really impressive first novel, and unlike a lot of books

1262
00:59:22,620 --> 00:59:25,650
S3: I've read, it's doing something quite different to a lot

1263
00:59:25,650 --> 00:59:27,270
S3: of the other books out there at the moment. So, um,

1264
00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:28,530
S3: and I do think, I think you would like it

1265
00:59:28,530 --> 00:59:30,390
S3: Oseman and Thomas.

1266
00:59:30,390 --> 00:59:33,540
S1: My, um, my recommendation, uh, for the week is an

1267
00:59:33,540 --> 00:59:37,200
S1: animated series called invincible. It's on Amazon Prime. It's been

1268
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,810
S1: out for a couple of years. Second season just finished.

1269
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,440
S1: It's really, really interesting. It's executive produced by Seth Rogen

1270
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,860
S1: and Evan Goldberg. They're also the EP's On the Boys

1271
00:59:46,860 --> 00:59:50,220
S1: on Amazon Prime. And if you like that show, you

1272
00:59:50,220 --> 00:59:53,010
S1: will love this one. It's the Boys is very violent,

1273
00:59:53,010 --> 00:59:57,120
S1: very sharp superhero satire. This is basically that an animated form.

1274
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:00,120
S1: It's about this teen superhero called Mark, who's actually voiced

1275
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:03,600
S1: by Steven Yuen from beef, who we love. He's basically

1276
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,300
S1: got like Superman esque powers, and he's trying to deal

1277
01:00:06,300 --> 01:00:09,720
S1: with that while growing up. And that might sound familiar

1278
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,810
S1: as like a just another superhero story, but it is

1279
01:00:12,810 --> 01:00:16,650
S1: very aware of the limitations of the kind of Marvel

1280
01:00:16,650 --> 01:00:20,340
S1: DC approach and the saturation point we're at with, like,

1281
01:00:20,340 --> 01:00:23,490
S1: superhero stuff and is engaging with that. It's sort of

1282
01:00:23,490 --> 01:00:26,160
S1: deconstructing it in a very fun and sharp way. And

1283
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,860
S1: the voice cast. It's got JK Simmons as his dad,

1284
01:00:29,860 --> 01:00:32,620
S1: Sandra Oh as his mum. Gillian Jacobs has a recurring role.

1285
01:00:32,620 --> 01:00:35,260
S1: Jon Hamm plays like an extra in the first episode.

1286
01:00:35,260 --> 01:00:38,110
S1: It's a really, really cool cast, really cool animation, a

1287
01:00:38,110 --> 01:00:41,200
S1: really fun watch. So worth getting into if you just

1288
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,630
S1: need something to to watch and you're not quite sure

1289
01:00:43,630 --> 01:00:46,120
S1: you're drowning in choice, give invincible a go.

1290
01:00:46,540 --> 01:00:48,340
S2: That is a really stacked cast.

1291
01:00:48,340 --> 01:00:51,220
S5: Yeah, and oh great recommendations guys. Yeah, that was actually

1292
01:00:51,220 --> 01:00:51,610
S5: really good.

1293
01:00:51,610 --> 01:00:52,630
S2: Impressive friends this week.

1294
01:00:52,630 --> 01:00:55,510
S1: Well, with the praise we're giving each others a major before.

1295
01:00:55,510 --> 01:00:55,720
S5: Yeah.

1296
01:00:56,020 --> 01:00:58,570
S1: Before we sign off a little bit of news mail

1297
01:00:58,570 --> 01:01:01,570
S1: you we reference heading overseas. You're going to be missing

1298
01:01:01,570 --> 01:01:03,670
S1: from the pod for the next few weeks. We're very

1299
01:01:03,670 --> 01:01:05,320
S1: sad to not have you. Thomas and I will try

1300
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,110
S1: and keep keep it down, but have a wonderful time.

1301
01:01:08,530 --> 01:01:10,570
S3: Thank you. I'll miss you very much, I'm sure. Well,

1302
01:01:10,570 --> 01:01:12,760
S3: I know we will stay in touch, but, um.

1303
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:13,660
S5: Will you listen?

1304
01:01:13,660 --> 01:01:16,030
S3: Of course I'll listen. Um, so try and, like, put

1305
01:01:16,030 --> 01:01:18,400
S3: some Easter eggs to me in the, in the apps. Um,

1306
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,710
S3: and I'll be back in no time. And do you

1307
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:22,360
S3: want any souvenirs from overseas?

1308
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,430
S2: Uh, I wouldn't mind something from Dubai, but next week

1309
01:01:24,430 --> 01:01:26,860
S2: we're actually going to do, uh, actually, the next few weeks,

1310
01:01:26,860 --> 01:01:27,730
S2: we're just going to do book.

1311
01:01:27,730 --> 01:01:28,300
S5: Stuff.

1312
01:01:29,290 --> 01:01:31,510
S1: In Europe next week. Actually, we have a very exciting episode.

1313
01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:34,120
S1: We're going to be talking about Monkey Man, the debut

1314
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:37,930
S1: film directed by, written by Dev Patel, and we will

1315
01:01:37,930 --> 01:01:41,020
S1: have Dev Patel as a special guest on the podcast.

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S1: So strap in for that one. Really excited Thomas. Mel.

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S1: Thank you Mel, have a wonderful trip. Talk to you

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S1: soon Thomas. See you next week Joe. Bye. This episode

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S1: of The Drop was produced by Chai Wang. If you

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