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Speaker 1: Australia Overnight with Phil O'Neil.
Speaker 2: Nearly the start of July already, Wow, how are you.
Speaker 2: I hope you had a good day. Bit a wind
Speaker 2: around today. I woke up, saw the wind outside, spent
Speaker 2: most of the afternoon in my pajamas to be honest,
Speaker 2: until about seven o'clock. Is working on the show and
Speaker 2: some guests for you. We've got a lot of really
Speaker 2: good guests for you this morning, so I hope you
Speaker 2: can stick around, including Doctor Carl's replacement this week will
Speaker 2: be bianchor No Grady, who's a freelance science journalist and author.
Speaker 2: She'll be taking the questions that you texted me through
Speaker 2: the week for Doctor Carl, and there's some good ones
Speaker 2: there too, so we'll talk about that. And she also
Speaker 2: wants to talk about dog walking injury injuries. That's one
Speaker 2: of the things we've got. We have our usual guest
Speaker 2: Terry Barnes on Leith ban Onsolin too, and it's the
Speaker 2: Thursday Morning Live Lounge with a song that for the
Speaker 2: first time will feature a piano or at least a
Speaker 2: keyboard anyway, So that's coming up for thirteen degrees at
Speaker 2: the moment in Brisbane, although it feels like ten degrees,
Speaker 2: and in Sydney nine degrees but it feels like two.
Speaker 2: That'll probably be due to the wind. There you go, Margaret.
Speaker 2: I did the weather on the top of the hour,
Speaker 2: as you asked me to do, because I am here
Speaker 2: at your behest and i'd love to have a chat
Speaker 2: with you. One three one eight seven three is our
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Speaker 2: email me. It's overnights at two GB dot com. Let's
Speaker 2: talk about a couple of things that are going on. Well,
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, I mean, obviously he is always the headline.
Speaker 2: He's very good at getting his name out there. He
Speaker 2: compared the attacks on Iran to Hiroshiva and Nagasaki was
Speaker 2: talking at NATO. He said, well, just like that, this
Speaker 2: also ended the war.
Speaker 3: They're not going to be fighting each other.
Speaker 4: They've had it.
Speaker 3: They've got a big fight, like two kids at a
Speaker 3: school yard. You know, they fight like help, you can't
Speaker 3: stop them. Let him fight for about two three minutes.
Speaker 3: Then it's easier to stop them.
Speaker 5: And then has sometimes strong language, schools is strong.
Speaker 3: Everyone's so you have to use a certain word. I
Speaker 3: don't want to use an example of Hiroshima. I don't
Speaker 3: want to use an example of Nagasaki. But that was
Speaker 3: essentially the same thing that ended that war. This ended
Speaker 3: that with the war.
Speaker 2: There you go, Donald Trump, who was relatively welcomed by NATO.
Speaker 2: He must be feeling quite happy with himself. Have a
Speaker 2: listen to this. The Donald Trump shared this on the
Speaker 2: Truth social They did a version of the Beach Boys song,
Speaker 2: but they've changed the lyrics to it.
Speaker 6: Bum bum bum bum bomb.
Speaker 2: Of course, you can imagine how happy Donald Trump it
Speaker 2: have been when he heard this straight on the sharing
Speaker 2: for the socials. You heard Susan Lee talking before on
Speaker 2: the news. I want to talk about that in the moment,
Speaker 2: but I also see the former Australian Prime Minister Tony
Speaker 2: Abbott has voiced strong support for the recent US bombing
Speaker 2: campaign against Iran, calling it absolutely right and necessary and
Speaker 2: urging Australia to stand more firmly behind its closest DOLLA.
Speaker 7: I think that country should act in accordance with their
Speaker 7: interests and values, and it's in the interests and in
Speaker 7: the values of all liberal democratic countries that the current
Speaker 7: Iranian regime never gets access to nuclear weapons. The current
Speaker 7: apocalyptic Islamist regime in Tehran, their constant script is death
Speaker 7: to Israel, death to America.
Speaker 2: You know what I think with Tony Abbott. And I
Speaker 2: was talking to Terry Barnes about this, and we'll hear
Speaker 2: about this a little bit later on in the morning.
Speaker 2: But I said, you know, if ever there was a
Speaker 2: right time for Tony, it would be now. And I said,
Speaker 2: do you think that he could still stick his toe
Speaker 2: back into it? Would he be a viable alternative for
Speaker 2: the liberals? I think the Susan Lee thing, you know,
Speaker 2: I think for the hardcore liberals. Don't think it's going
Speaker 2: to be a long term thing. I wonder. And we
Speaker 2: also said this when she first got home. We all said, well,
Speaker 2: a bit of a poison chalice there. You know, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't want to take that job. And Terry said, no,
Speaker 2: he thinks he's a bit too old for it now
Speaker 2: Tony Abbott. And I said, well, he's only any sixties,
Speaker 2: because you know, Terry knows Tony really, really well. And
Speaker 2: I said, surely, if there was an opportunity for Tony
Speaker 2: Abbott to come back and you know, run for Prime
Speaker 2: Minister again, if there was a way to do it,
Speaker 2: would he be the right man at the right time,
Speaker 2: right now? And Terry seemed to think no, actually, and
Speaker 2: you'll hear the chat a little bit later on this
Speaker 2: morning he said that he might be too old for it.
Speaker 2: I disagree. What do you think let's open up with
Speaker 2: that one one three one eight seven three or on
Speaker 2: the text the zero four six zero eight seven three
Speaker 2: eight seven three. If he had the opportunity, is the
Speaker 2: time right for Tony Abbott where it was before it
Speaker 2: would have been an opportunity for him to step back
Speaker 2: and be the leader that we need right now. Let
Speaker 2: me give you something else. You're gonna love this fantastic
Speaker 2: talk about on the worst piece of red tape crap
Speaker 2: I've ever heard about. The City of Sydney councilor is
Speaker 2: looking to require permits for bins to be stored on
Speaker 2: the curb when they're not stored on midnight. So basically
Speaker 2: the move incidentally was passed unanimously at a meeting Monday.
Speaker 2: Spoke concerns over street light that street side bin smelling bad,
Speaker 2: blocking foot and vehicle traffic and attracting animals. So what
Speaker 2: they've done is they want to get a programm response
Speaker 2: to systematically and effectively address the issues caused by bins
Speaker 2: being stored on the street. They said, there are terrace
Speaker 2: houses that now step straight out onto the footpath. They
Speaker 2: don't have a backyard and there's nowhere to store it.
Speaker 2: So in these situations you can ask for permission to
Speaker 2: have your bin stored on the street. Receptacles left out
Speaker 2: after midnight gluttering the streets, making them look messy. And
Speaker 2: also they're encouraging other people to put the rubbish bins
Speaker 2: in there or put their rubbish in there as they
Speaker 2: go past. So the proposed plan listen to. This would
Speaker 2: be a permit system for people to leave their bins
Speaker 2: on the street. Homes with no space to leave bins
Speaker 2: will be given stickers permitting a curbside resting place. In
Speaker 2: those situations, you can ask for permission they have your
Speaker 2: bin stored on the street so it doesn't clutter it.
Speaker 2: It would be a permit system for people to leave
Speaker 2: their bins on the street. It's like you know when
Speaker 2: you if you haven't go any parking outside your house,
Speaker 2: so you have to park on the street, You've got
Speaker 2: to get a permit for that. Okay, I'm in favor
Speaker 2: of that, and I can also see where they're going
Speaker 2: in terms of blocking the street. But imagine that having
Speaker 2: to get a permit sticker to put your bin out
Speaker 2: on the street if it's not bin night. What do
Speaker 2: you think about that? One three one eight seven three
Speaker 2: zero four six zero eight seven three eight seven three
Speaker 2: get involved on the text, but regreat to talk. I'd
Speaker 2: love to have a chat on the radio too. Would
Speaker 2: you go as far as to say, oh, I might
Speaker 2: go and get myself a permit sticker for the bin
Speaker 2: because I'm going to leave it out the front, or
Speaker 2: you just leave it out the front and be a
Speaker 2: radical belief. I don't even know what the fine would be.
Speaker 2: Maybe they take it, maybe they take a bin away
Speaker 2: to teach you a lesson. So what do you think
Speaker 2: about that? What about Tony Abbott? Is the time right
Speaker 2: for a return? One three one eight seven three zero
Speaker 2: four six zero eight seven three eight seven three as well?
Speaker 2: I didn't just fight. By the way, that was the
Speaker 2: chair moving. Just in case you were wondering, Hello, Kyle,
Speaker 2: how are you this evening at Edmondson Park? What's going on?
Speaker 8: Huh? Good morning, Phil Hire you I'm actually at a
Speaker 8: train station, just waiting to pick up my teenage son
Speaker 8: of all things, at midnight.
Speaker 2: Oh that's good, you're a good dad.
Speaker 8: Good dad. But I just called it the end of
Speaker 8: the last show and they were just finishing, so they
Speaker 8: couldn't take my call. But I'm just wondering when America
Speaker 8: is going to realize that their grip as a superpower
Speaker 8: in the world is waning in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you're not the only one who said that.
Speaker 2: You know, the empire, you know that Rome is burning
Speaker 2: one neuro fiddles. You know a lot of people have
Speaker 2: drawn some comparisons to the end of that empire, well.
Speaker 8: One hundred percent. And if you look at the Bricks
Speaker 8: Coalition in the North South trade corridor, and there's this
Speaker 8: power shift that seems to be taking place trade wise
Speaker 8: and economically. And I think when he comes out and
Speaker 8: compares what happened to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, that was pretty
Speaker 8: unexpected when that happened, and the rest of the war wasn't.
Speaker 8: Really I don't think that's the same case anymore.
Speaker 2: It's an interesting comparison. I certainly wouldn't call it a
Speaker 2: correct one. I can see where he was going with that.
Speaker 2: But the thing about Donald Trump is he says things
Speaker 2: so he can get headlines. You know, it never has
Speaker 2: to be actually factually correct.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think he needs to be reminded he's not
Speaker 8: on a reality show anymore.
Speaker 2: Well he is. He is the reality show and he's
Speaker 2: this are of his own show. Good to talk to you,
Speaker 2: Carl one three one eight seven three. So what do
Speaker 2: you think? I just got a text here saying yes
Speaker 2: to Tony ambittt for PM, says Beverly, what do you think?
Speaker 2: Get on the phone, give me your ring one three
Speaker 2: to one eight seven three and let's have a chat.
Speaker 2: Nineteen minutes past midnight. Hello, Susanna, how are you? Susanna
Speaker 2: said on the text, how's your toe? It was pretty
Speaker 2: kind of you to ask, because I put the photo
Speaker 2: of my what I thought was a broken toe on
Speaker 2: the Instagram and my wife said, why did you do that?
Speaker 2: And I said because the listeners asked me to and
Speaker 2: she said no, they didn't, and I said no they did.
Speaker 2: Said they weren't interested in your toe, and I said
Speaker 2: they were. They were genuinely interested in my toe, and
Speaker 2: she didn't believe me. So anyway, Susannah, I'm going to
Speaker 2: take a photo of that text that you've sent me
Speaker 2: to show to my wife tomorrow after I find out
Speaker 2: if I'm in trouble or not. Steve says, you know
Speaker 2: where they can stick their permit? This is the permit
Speaker 2: for the bins on the street. I mean, come on,
Speaker 2: it really is red tape, isn't it. And they really
Speaker 2: got that's all they've got to do. I just want
Speaker 2: to get into you know, local council, just so I
Speaker 2: can sit there and come up with preposterous things. You know,
Speaker 2: I will just to sit there and yell at clouds
Speaker 2: because I seem I think that's the place to go,
Speaker 2: isn't it. I left my bin out a little longer
Speaker 2: than usual, says Mick, and some clown. But he's dogs
Speaker 2: number two in my bin. That's funny because Michelle talked
Speaker 2: about that last night when she sent me a text.
Speaker 2: She said, ask people if it's okay to put your
Speaker 2: dog's doodo in somebody else's bin. Well, this happened to Mick,
Speaker 2: and he said it was wrapped luckily so too. I
Speaker 2: don't know who it was. Well you don't what, mate,
Speaker 2: You know what you can do, Mick, get some DNA
Speaker 2: on that dog turd and you can probably track him down. Hello, Kim,
Speaker 2: how are you this morning?
Speaker 9: Yes, good morning, till. I definitely want to say Tony
Speaker 9: Abbott for prime minister.
Speaker 2: Can he come I'm not really sure what the rules are,
Speaker 2: Could he come back? Could he make it some kind
Speaker 2: of a comeback? Could be? Could he be parachuted into
Speaker 2: some area?
Speaker 9: Oh definitely, I wish she would come back. But I
Speaker 9: think he was treated so badly by people in his
Speaker 9: own party turncoats, that you know, I mean, seriously, absolutely shameful.
Speaker 9: He was robbed twice of being prime minister. In the
Speaker 9: first election when Gillard went up against him and it
Speaker 9: got down to two independents. I mean, Tony Abbott won
Speaker 9: the election, but somehow got down to two independents that
Speaker 9: weren't so independent.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mentioned being parachuted into because they did that
Speaker 2: with Christina Kanely, but I think the circumstances might have
Speaker 2: been different. But he was parachuted, as they said.
Speaker 9: He was robbed of being prime minister the first time round.
Speaker 9: The second time round, Turnbull's ego took over and Tony
Speaker 9: Abbott lasted for six months. He was voted in by
Speaker 9: the people. These politicians with their eager should not have
Speaker 9: got in the way.
Speaker 2: And I think it's a different Australia than it was
Speaker 2: when he was in power. I think that you know,
Speaker 2: we've especially with you know, Trump getting re elected, people
Speaker 2: have just reevaluated what they want from their leaders. And
Speaker 2: I think the thing that you know, the whole thing,
Speaker 2: but the Dames, even going back to the chewing of
Speaker 2: the onion, you know, things like that that made their
Speaker 2: headlines worked against him. But now we wouldn't care and
Speaker 2: we can eat it. And he can eat six onions
Speaker 2: and make as many people Dames as he wants.
Speaker 9: To know, the stories they came out with making and
Speaker 9: people saying or eat this onion. He should have just
Speaker 9: refused to do it. I mean people, you know, I mean,
Speaker 9: I'm just finded with people and how they treat certain people.
Speaker 9: I think they're quite appalling actually. But I really think
Speaker 9: when it comes to Prime Minister's Tony Abbott hard working,
Speaker 9: He gets down dirty with the people. He's a volunteer firefighter,
Speaker 9: he's been was politician for many many years. I think
Speaker 9: he's spent nearly every Christmas going out in the Aboriginal communities.
Speaker 9: I just think he's a wonderful all around human being.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember there was a moment they picked him
Speaker 2: up on a hidden mind, not a hidden mic, but
Speaker 2: a mic that wasn't supposed to pick something up. And
Speaker 2: he was talking to somebody from the army about a situation,
Speaker 2: and he was talking to them on their own level,
Speaker 2: and something he said was misrepresentative, misrepresented or misconstrued, and
Speaker 2: that became the headline. I can't remember the exact occasion,
Speaker 2: but he talks to people on the level of the
Speaker 2: way he sees and perceives they would understand what he's
Speaker 2: trying to say to them. You know, I'm trying to
Speaker 2: say that by that, try and explain what I'm Tony
Speaker 2: Abbott was trying to say. But he you know, it
Speaker 2: speaks to people on the level, at their own agenda,
Speaker 2: at their own level, as opposed to trying to come
Speaker 2: up with sort of some kind of way to just
Speaker 2: appease people. And I really like that about it.
Speaker 9: I agree. I've never met the man, but just watching
Speaker 9: from a distance, I just think he is just one
Speaker 9: of the most genuine, human, hard working people in politics
Speaker 9: that you could ever come across. And you know, look,
Speaker 9: he deserves to be Prime minister. He deserves to have
Speaker 9: stayed in power for three years and it's the kind
Speaker 9: of person you want that shame for what was done
Speaker 9: to him.
Speaker 2: And also, you know, you need somebody who's going to
Speaker 2: represent Australia in a tough position, and you do need
Speaker 2: a tough man from time to time. You know, you
Speaker 2: do need somebody like that who will stand up to
Speaker 2: the bullies and will you know, take care of business.
Speaker 9: And he's always articulate, and he always speaks well, and
Speaker 9: he's always very diplomatic, unlike Alban EASi and many other
Speaker 9: prime ministers before him. No, Tony Abbott will always get
Speaker 9: my vote. And any person I know be a family member,
Speaker 9: friend that they all love Tony Abbot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well maybe he could be convinced by the way
Speaker 2: I was thinking about you yesterday when I was doing
Speaker 2: some guest searching for the show. It's funny because I
Speaker 2: think about, you know, oh, this would be great for Susanna,
Speaker 2: this would be great for Chris, you know, and I
Speaker 2: sort of keep in mind who I think would also
Speaker 2: be interested in the guests, and I found you know,
Speaker 2: I know that you love the paranormal show we do Friday,
Speaker 2: so and I had to do a lot of back
Speaker 2: and forward with this lady. But she because she sort
Speaker 2: of was essentially she was abducted by a UFO. So
Speaker 2: for me to approach her and go, can you come
Speaker 2: on the show, she immediately thought, well, hang on, am
Speaker 2: I going to be open to ridicule here? She's written
Speaker 2: books about it, and so I had to go backwards
Speaker 2: and forwards to go no. You know, the idea of
Speaker 2: this show and this segment is that you know, you
Speaker 2: come on, you tell your experience, and we listen to
Speaker 2: your experience without judgment, without criticism, you know, because I
Speaker 2: think that should be the way in any conversation if
Speaker 2: you want to learn. So anyway, she got back to me.
Speaker 2: She's got a website called alienexperiences dot net and her
Speaker 2: name is Nadine and she's kindly agreed to come on
Speaker 2: tomorrow night's show. So I thought, well, you know what,
Speaker 2: I can't wait to tell Kim because of me.
Speaker 9: That's one.
Speaker 2: That's tomorrow night.
Speaker 10: Kim Bill.
Speaker 9: I'll be listening.
Speaker 2: Excellent, always good to do it to you. And Penny's
Speaker 2: on the phone at Gold But morning, Penny, what do
Speaker 2: you think.
Speaker 11: I mean? Politics is all too hard to follow really,
Speaker 11: But The one thing I wanted to pick up on
Speaker 11: the lady that was just on was that Kim. Yeah,
Speaker 11: she said that Tony Abbott was voted in by Australians. No,
Speaker 11: people vote for their local member and then the party
Speaker 11: votes for the leader, right, And this just comes out
Speaker 11: And I'm not having a go at her specifically, but
Speaker 11: there just seems to be this view that people vote
Speaker 11: for the prime minister.
Speaker 2: No, they don't, that's true. However, you do tend to
Speaker 2: vote for the figurehead of that party. You do tend
Speaker 2: to think of that person as being a representation of
Speaker 2: the entire party. And that's why, you know, you often
Speaker 2: vote for people like Trump for example, and people like
Speaker 2: if you're going to look at American politics, you know,
Speaker 2: Clinton and people like that. They often are voted in
Speaker 2: on their charisma or their image, and then the rest
Speaker 2: of the party that stands behind them follows suit.
Speaker 11: But you know, people get angry about the parties going
Speaker 11: against the will of the people, But the reality is
Speaker 11: the parties have the right to choose who they think
Speaker 11: is the best leader for the time, you know, And
Speaker 11: I'm not saying what they did was right or wrong,
Speaker 11: you know, because you know, yes, Abbott was badly treated,
Speaker 11: but Trump Turnbull was also badly treated. It happens to
Speaker 11: all of them. Hayden was badly treated. You know, he
Speaker 11: was possibly the best labor prime minister we never had.
Speaker 2: I think though, oftentimes it's not that they think this
Speaker 2: is the best for the party. They think this is
Speaker 2: going to be the best for me, because I'm this
Speaker 2: guy's buddy, and down the track, I'm going to get
Speaker 2: a nice, neat portfolio. I'm going to get something I want.
Speaker 2: So there's this game in play all the time of
Speaker 2: if I can get this person. It's a game of chess,
Speaker 2: isn't it. If I can get this person and I
Speaker 2: can give them, I give them my support, not necessarily
Speaker 2: want them in the job for the full run of
Speaker 2: their job. And down the track I'm probably going to
Speaker 2: stab them in the back and try and take their job.
Speaker 2: So it's not necessarily I don't think it's to be honest,
Speaker 2: I don't think it's ever all in the interest of
Speaker 2: the party. It's in the interest of the politician.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, I guess in recent years have been
Speaker 11: more manipulative, but you know, in days gone by, it
Speaker 11: was in the interest of the party and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 11: so yeah, you know, but I mean, you know, we
Speaker 11: really don't get to vote for the prime minister.
Speaker 2: If it was yet. That is a good point though,
Speaker 2: If it was just a vote for the prime minister
Speaker 2: as opposed to a vote for the party, that would
Speaker 2: be interesting, wouldn't it. If you go, well, I like
Speaker 2: this person, I like de vice, you know, I like
Speaker 2: the you know, the the VP, I like the I
Speaker 2: like this person, but I would prefer them to be
Speaker 2: in the position, so I would like to put them
Speaker 2: down as one for one for prime minister.
Speaker 11: Yeah. Imagine the carnage you could come up with if
Speaker 11: you voted the prime minister from one party and the
Speaker 11: deputy from a totally different.
Speaker 2: Party, putting like a fantasy football team in play.
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, you don't encourage me.
Speaker 2: No, that's what you're going to be doing when the
Speaker 2: next time you're standing in a little cubicle, you're going
Speaker 2: to just be you know, working on two bits of paper.
Speaker 2: There one here.
Speaker 11: By the last election, I didn't want to vote. There
Speaker 11: was no one I wanted to vote for. In relation
Speaker 11: to my local electorate, we were moved in back into
Speaker 11: Eden mon Arrow and you know, we had eleven to
Speaker 11: choose from, and none of them seemed to be interested
Speaker 11: in golden.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, that was a little bit a
Speaker 2: case as well of the last election in Australia. People
Speaker 2: were saying, look, I'm voting for the least of the
Speaker 2: two worst campaigners.
Speaker 11: I voted for the letter of the two evils.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a letter of the two evils. That's exactly right.
Speaker 11: And it's really said that they really don't seem to
Speaker 11: be a lot any you know, many decent politicians around.
Speaker 2: That's so funny. I've talked about that before and I've said,
Speaker 2: you know, what happened to those people that were great leaders,
Speaker 2: who were you know, inspirers and people that you wanted
Speaker 2: to you know, as opposed to well, he's a guy
Speaker 2: in a suit and tie who's just telling me.
Speaker 12: Things you're not.
Speaker 11: I mean, you know, people there's differing views about Howard,
Speaker 11: but he was a statesman. Keating Fraser to a certain
Speaker 11: extent was a statesman. Whitlam. You know, but that year
Speaker 11: has long gone and they're just in there for what
Speaker 11: they can get for themselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a three year plan with all governments.
Speaker 2: I always say that, you know, like go in there
Speaker 2: with the ten year plan. They don't have a ten
Speaker 2: year plan because they're looking towards the next three years
Speaker 2: and hopefully saying, you know, we'll get this done in
Speaker 2: three years when there's no there's no cash to usually
Speaker 2: do that. You know, it's just I'm going to tell
Speaker 2: you what you want for the time being so I
Speaker 2: can get elected and then you know, hopefully three years
Speaker 2: down the track you'll forget what I promise you.
Speaker 11: Well, I think Labour's now probably got a six or
Speaker 11: nine year plan because they'll be into the next.
Speaker 2: Couple of the Actually, well, you know, it's funny a
Speaker 2: lot of people say that. A lot of people have said, well,
Speaker 2: here goes six years. I don't know if that's the case.
Speaker 2: If you know, the Libs could come up with somebody that,
Speaker 2: you know, like we talk about Tony Abbott, but if
Speaker 2: the Libs could come up with somebody who you know,
Speaker 2: re energizes the party and the country. I don't think
Speaker 2: that necessarily it's a fake complete that you know that
Speaker 2: Labor have got six years out of this.
Speaker 11: But see, I think liberal and it's not just federally
Speaker 11: liberal state wise as well, are just shooting themselves in
Speaker 11: the foot. I don't know, if you follow Act politics
Speaker 11: at all, Labor has been in power in the Act
Speaker 11: for over twenty years because the Liberal Party just is
Speaker 11: you know, they're just interested in the power, you know,
Speaker 11: changing leaders and getting the power themselves. I live there
Speaker 11: for thirty odd years and still follow it, and you know,
Speaker 11: people are sick of Labor, but there isn't an alternative.
Speaker 2: That's it, you know, And there's never there's never a
Speaker 2: good third party alternative, isn't it.
Speaker 11: No, And you know that's how it is federally, and
Speaker 11: that's starting to be how it's going New South Wales
Speaker 11: as well.
Speaker 2: Penny Ring anytime, You're most welcome and I've been lovely
Speaker 2: talking to you.
Speaker 11: Thank you. And I survived the minus ten the other night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I saw that. Yeah it was it was
Speaker 2: it actually about what minus one, I think, but it
Speaker 2: felt like minus ten.
Speaker 11: Oh no, it was actually it was actually minus ten.
Speaker 11: It was minus ten and I was up at five
Speaker 11: point thirty when it was minus ten to go to
Speaker 11: the railway station to go to Sydney.
Speaker 2: It was I can imagine. Did you have the wind
Speaker 2: as well, because you get some nasty winds around Golbin area.
Speaker 11: Didn't feel it that much. I dashed out to the
Speaker 11: taxi when it came.
Speaker 10: To kissing out and that'sh.
Speaker 11: From the taxi into the station and stayed near the
Speaker 11: iron until the track.
Speaker 2: That's right, sitting around a cigarette trying to pep. Nice
Speaker 2: to talk you, Benny, Thanks so much. One three, one
Speaker 2: eight seven three is the phone number. And I'll get
Speaker 2: to your text as well after this twenty four minutes
Speaker 2: to one. Hello, Randy. My day isn't made until I
Speaker 2: get your text every morning. Zero four six zero eight
Speaker 2: seven three eight seven three. Let me get through a
Speaker 2: few more of these texts as well. Tugs says that
Speaker 2: Trug's comments are an abomination. On the Nagasaki Hiroshima two
Speaker 2: hundred thousand citizens who were wiped out, and he said
Speaker 2: that the entire generations of innocent families were wiped out.
Speaker 2: No Iran bombing was anything like that. Joyce says Phil,
Speaker 2: I think Labor and Turncoake did so much damage to Tony.
Speaker 2: I don't think he'd want to come back. And Carol
Speaker 2: also agrees that Tony Abbott's time has come and gone.
Speaker 2: We need younger, more vibrant people, and a doer and
Speaker 2: a goer, but people don't seem to want to do it.
Speaker 2: That's the other issue, isn't it, though, Carol. There's just
Speaker 2: no appetite anymore for people to get into politics. And
Speaker 2: as from Joy, if voters vote Liberal Party in all
Speaker 2: the seats, Tony was the leader, So if Libs get
Speaker 2: more seats than Labor Green's NAT's then that I don't
Speaker 2: know where this is going, but anyway, basically you're saying
Speaker 2: that you would like Tony Abbott. I think from that
Speaker 2: A lot of times when I go to the texts,
Speaker 2: it gets into auto spell and we end up in
Speaker 2: all kinds of trouble. Tom says in the US they
Speaker 2: vote specifically for the president. They vote separately for their
Speaker 2: local rep in the House of Representatives. Thank you for that.
Speaker 2: And also a couple of other texts coming through here, Chris,
Speaker 2: how are you mating? Chris's one's really long. I'm sure
Speaker 2: you'll be ringing me a little bit later on this morning.
Speaker 2: I felt I would welcome Tony Abbott back as the
Speaker 2: PM at a heartbeat. Malcolm Turnbull covered in the role
Speaker 2: and what he did to Abbott was despicable, said Mary.
Speaker 2: And that's true, and that's what we were saying before
Speaker 2: when I was having a chat with Penny was that,
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of these people aren't in it
Speaker 2: for the party, They're in it for themselves, and if
Speaker 2: it's a way for them to somehow work a little
Speaker 2: chess game for themselves to get what they want, then
Speaker 2: there's no loyalty to anybody. David, I'm glad you rang.
Speaker 2: I was talking to John Stanley about how people are
Speaker 2: spending up to six figures for leg lengthening surgery instead
Speaker 2: of going to therapy to deal with their height, and
Speaker 2: you were telling me that you had something that happened
Speaker 2: to you that made you taller. Is that right, David,
Speaker 2: good morning.
Speaker 10: I grew over a centimeader. It took it fore operations,
Speaker 10: but I was already six fot two when I went in,
Speaker 10: So really, you didn't really need it wasn't really yet. No,
Speaker 10: it wasn't for heightening. But yeah, I've had eight prosthetic
Speaker 10: discs put in my back eight and wow, yep, and
Speaker 10: I've had seven levels feared and I've got two or
Speaker 10: three loose crews in my back aster we speak. I've
Speaker 10: had nearly thirty operations on my spine or thirty procedures
Speaker 10: all up, and God, I think I had traction for
Speaker 10: about three years.
Speaker 2: Almost what happened in the first place to cause all this, then.
Speaker 10: David, It's called Suman's disease, genetic genetic disease. Both my
Speaker 10: my father had and my mum had a too, actually
Speaker 10: or a different kind of carthosis.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and so what happens.
Speaker 10: That's when I got the double dose of imagine what
Speaker 10: happens with it? Oh, just absolute steering pain. I had
Speaker 10: my first usion at the age of thirty eight. I
Speaker 10: was forcibly retired at the age of forty one, so
Speaker 10: about three years later. Wow, yeah, And then I luckily
Speaker 10: found a paintsman he could printed well private hospital who
Speaker 10: those paint surgeons are absolutely next level. My foot has
Speaker 10: been paralyzed for the last twelve months. I've had no
Speaker 10: feeling in it.
Speaker 2: Have you got foot drop or is it just paralyzed?
Speaker 10: No, No, it's paralyzed. And I had a DV to
Speaker 10: it like a blood clot, and everybody was saying it
Speaker 10: was coming from that, and nobody could sort of work
Speaker 10: out why it was doing what it was doing, and
Speaker 10: sure enough, it was actually coming from my back. And
Speaker 10: I had surgery last Saturday, and I'm already starting to
Speaker 10: get feeling and moving in my toes again, of course,
Speaker 10: I can imagine for twelve months.
Speaker 2: So what happened leading up to the age of thirty eight?
Speaker 2: Did it just get worse and worse and you know,
Speaker 2: sort of degenerating the spine? Is that what eventually?
Speaker 10: I remember? Yeah, exactly, But I remember you saying a
Speaker 10: while ago you're talking about growing pains, that taller people
Speaker 10: have growing pains.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people who were taller need to.
Speaker 10: Always get growing pains in the back. When I was younger,
Speaker 10: and so did my father, and that's what we used
Speaker 10: to call them growing pains. In fact, when I was
Speaker 10: eight years old, I had a heat lamp on my
Speaker 10: back right at night to help with the pain. But yeah, no,
Speaker 10: it was it was just I started getting shooting pain
Speaker 10: down my legs, down the back of my buttocks.
Speaker 2: Like a psiatic or something like.
Speaker 10: That, very similar to thots. So they could get up
Speaker 10: or five. It's one done. I've had most of my
Speaker 10: lumbard done and two levels up in the neck and
Speaker 10: there's more to come at certain never ending.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can imagine, mate. Well you know, you know,
Speaker 2: I obviously feel sympathy for you too with a bad
Speaker 2: back and nothing compared to yours. So okay, at the
Speaker 2: age of thirty eight, and then did they how many
Speaker 2: different operations did you have to have to have all
Speaker 2: eight removed?
Speaker 10: There? Almost just for the fusions and the deer set
Speaker 10: was done in two goes. Right, But I've had thirty procedures.
Speaker 2: All that's amazing.
Speaker 10: And then most pain clinnic just to keep me going.
Speaker 10: They go in with a radio frequency machine and they
Speaker 10: fry my nerve roots in my spine to turn the
Speaker 10: pain off to my brain. They're amazing. Yeah, these paint
Speaker 10: versions are really quite amazing what they can do.
Speaker 2: I mean the upside as you mentioned. The upside as
Speaker 2: you mentioned is that you're taller. You were already time
Speaker 2: in the.
Speaker 10: First place, six foot two to six foot two point one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, two point one. There you go. So is it
Speaker 2: nearly over now? Are you okay? You're nearly at the
Speaker 2: end of this road?
Speaker 10: No, Well, I'm just starting to get feeling back in
Speaker 10: my left leg. It's been so paralyzed for a year now,
Speaker 10: so I've got a bit of a long run on
Speaker 10: physio with that. I see the surgeon next Monday, so
Speaker 10: I'm sure she'll be able to the moon to find
Speaker 10: out that to get a great job, and it actually worked.
Speaker 10: But no, this is a lifelong I think you can
Speaker 10: and there's no cure. And the neurosurgeons have just said,
Speaker 10: you know, it just looks every quarter four or five
Speaker 10: years you're going to be needing the major surgery and
Speaker 10: you just need upkeep with the pain clinic to keep
Speaker 10: you keep you going.
Speaker 2: And has the surgery advanced in a way that's able
Speaker 2: to help you more than it was, say thirty years ago.
Speaker 2: They got like continual advances in this procedure.
Speaker 10: Absolutely, they're now doing spinal fusion with live seats, right, so,
Speaker 10: and so you don't need to sort of go back
Speaker 10: and have X ray the day after the surgery de
Speaker 10: checked the screw and ride placements are correct. They all
Speaker 10: do that in life live at least dates.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And how many MRIs have you had? Hundreds of them?
Speaker 10: Right, I'd have to say at at least twelve probably, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 10: and at least eight bone scams, nuclear bone scam seats,
Speaker 10: you name it, I've had it.
Speaker 2: You know, I made a rookie era and the last
Speaker 2: MRI I had. You know, when they give you the
Speaker 2: ear plugs to put in your ear. I was too busy.
Speaker 2: I always like to make a little joke when I
Speaker 2: go in and say to the people, you know, what
Speaker 2: movie are we showing in this particular one? What movie?
Speaker 2: So I was too busy clanning around, and I didn't
Speaker 2: put the didn't you know, pinch the plugs to put
Speaker 2: them in my ear properly, so they weren't quite in there.
Speaker 2: And then they put their headphones over and then you
Speaker 2: you know that the ear mups over and then you
Speaker 2: lie in there and as you well know, you can't
Speaker 2: move an inch otherwise you'll get a refraction and then
Speaker 2: it looks like something else that you know that may
Speaker 2: or may not be happening. So I was lying in
Speaker 2: there and I immediately knew what i'd done. And for
Speaker 2: anybody that's never had an MRI, it's like it's like
Speaker 2: being in the worst techno disco you've ever been. It's
Speaker 2: just it's do do do, but it's extremely about and
Speaker 2: I lay there I thought, oh, and I can't even
Speaker 2: move an inch to try and stop this. So it
Speaker 2: was a total rookie mistake. Well, mate, I totally feel
Speaker 2: for you. I mean, I want to say that you've
Speaker 2: taken the attention away from my sore toe. So yeah,
Speaker 2: so thanks for that. You know, I'm not getting any
Speaker 2: more sympathy now, not thanks to you.
Speaker 10: You know what happened on my last MRI. What was
Speaker 10: that talking about MRIs? I forgot to tell them that
Speaker 10: I was wearing a Norse span pan patch. Oh no, yeah,
Speaker 10: and it heats up with magnetic like course.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 13: Yeah, it.
Speaker 10: Delivered four times the dose instantly, and I started clamming
Speaker 10: up for passing out there and I couldn't stop because
Speaker 10: I was shaking. I was having a multine overdose. And yeah,
Speaker 10: they had to stop it and they finally worked out
Speaker 10: what had happened. Yeah, and I forgot to tell them
Speaker 10: that I was wearing a pane perch.
Speaker 2: I saw a story and I couldn't believe it in
Speaker 2: America where somebody had taken a gun into an MRI
Speaker 2: with them, I don't know what they helped, Yeah, I know,
Speaker 2: and of course the bloody thing went off. But you know,
Speaker 2: you know they ask you that really long questionnaire when
Speaker 2: you get in the MRI. You know, have you had
Speaker 2: any you know, anything implants, anything, blah blah blah. There's
Speaker 2: no question. I looked at it and there was no question,
Speaker 2: says do you have a gun in your underpants?
Speaker 10: You know?
Speaker 2: So, I guess it was kind of hang on, I
Speaker 2: forgot about that, mate, Good of torture. Keep in touch, David.
Speaker 2: You doing well, Matete. Thank you. That's David, you know,
Speaker 2: again taking all of the attention away from my swre.
Speaker 2: So I can't go on about that anymore. One three, one,
Speaker 2: eight and three is the phone number text zero four
Speaker 2: six zero eight seven three eight seven three and the
Speaker 2: email overnights at two GB dot com. It's fourteen to one,
Speaker 2: coming up to eleven minutes to one. I'm going to
Speaker 2: have your company this morning. Here's an email from the
Speaker 2: Stephen We were talking about Tony Abbott and he says
Speaker 2: Tony was crucified and would be the best person to
Speaker 2: lead the Liberals. And I agree, maybe that could be
Speaker 2: on the table. Another text here, this one from Barbara
Speaker 2: saying that Tony Abbott wasn't the only person that Turnbull destroyed.
Speaker 2: First it was Peter King because Turnbull wanted the seat
Speaker 2: of Wentworth. Next came Brendan Nelson because Turnbull wanted to
Speaker 2: be the party leader. Turnbull has formed, says Barbara. JJ
Speaker 2: says with a leg lengthening. Surely feel your pulling my leg? Well, no,
Speaker 2: because if it was me doing it, I'd have a
Speaker 2: lot more money in the bank. And who else is
Speaker 2: sending me through text here too? Let me just have
Speaker 2: a look at these and then I'm going to go
Speaker 2: back to something that I wanted to play for you before,
Speaker 2: and it was from somebody who was overseas. Here it
Speaker 2: is David. He says, I'm listening to you from Type
Speaker 2: Ai in Taiwan tomorrow. I'll be in Shanghai in China,
Speaker 2: and I arrived in Shanghai two hours before you start
Speaker 2: at midnight. You really go around, don't you. You're always
Speaker 2: on the plane, always off somewhere. This one from Mary,
Speaker 2: I'd welcome Tony Abbott back in a heartbeat. Turnbull covered
Speaker 2: the role and what he did to Abbott was despicable.
Speaker 2: I think I've did that one before. Marian also said
Speaker 2: where's Bob Menzies when you need him? Mixed said Phil
Speaker 2: Did I hear you on John Stanley's show before ten pm?
Speaker 2: Long bit of audio from you back in the nineteen nineties?
Speaker 2: I know, because you know John has that segment where
Speaker 2: they play audio from years gone by, and I have to.
Speaker 2: I should actually go no, hang on, every time you
Speaker 2: play audio from me from years gone by, you have
Speaker 2: to pay me fifty dollars. So at least I can
Speaker 2: get some kind of royalties on that too. A friend
Speaker 2: of mine caused a stir at the airport when their
Speaker 2: gun decided. Their son decided to pick a to pack
Speaker 2: a toy gun in one of the bags without telling them,
Speaker 2: said Joe. When I was a kid, I had this thing.
Speaker 2: There was a toy and it was a Secret Agent
Speaker 2: toy in the Secret Agent doll was Joe ninety. And
Speaker 2: I had a Joe ninety briefcase with one of the
Speaker 2: secret compartments, and one of the secret apartments had a
Speaker 2: plastic gun in it. And I remember going through the
Speaker 2: security and the security guy actually laughing when he'd opened
Speaker 2: He'd got, oh, I hope you're not going to shoot
Speaker 2: anybody with this. I mean I was only about sixty
Speaker 2: years of age. I can still remember that. Imagine trying
Speaker 2: to do that these days, though. Would Tony Abbott hold
Speaker 2: a fire hose? Well, I think he would, and also
Speaker 2: he'd probably not only because he's also a volunteer, isn't he,
Speaker 2: So he'd also come out with a bit of soot
Speaker 2: on him too. Hey, Phil, my local counsel in Sydney
Speaker 2: is proposing fines if your beIN is out on the
Speaker 2: curb for more than twenty four hours on Ben Night,
Speaker 2: says James, I was talking about that before. I mean,
Speaker 2: come on, there's so many other things going on at
Speaker 2: the moment. Do you really think it's important to crack
Speaker 2: down on things like bin's being out on the street
Speaker 2: too long or they need a permit? There's so much crap,
Speaker 2: isn't there? With local counselors? There really is? Like I said,
Speaker 2: the people that run for local council, really they're just there.
Speaker 2: There are people that have been on a hold too
Speaker 2: long trying to get on talkback radio and they can't
Speaker 2: see any clouds outside the yell at, so they go,
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm going to join my local council
Speaker 2: and make things difficult for everybody. Marion says, what about
Speaker 2: Chris for PM? Are careful what you wish for there? Okay,
Speaker 2: you don't want to. You don't want to have that happen.
Speaker 2: You don't want to what's the expression wave a red
Speaker 2: rag in front of a bull?
Speaker 14: Phil?
Speaker 2: I agree with you, Tony Abbot is a very fit,
Speaker 2: active sixty year old something, so I would vote for
Speaker 2: him in an instant. He remained very community minded, which
Speaker 2: is to be admired. Thank you for your text, Jackie,
Speaker 2: and Paul says Tony Abbott would win in a canter
Speaker 2: Terry Barnes thinks he's too old. Well, I think he
Speaker 2: said that it's probably I think Terry's we'll talk to
Speaker 2: him about that later on this morning. I think he
Speaker 2: said that maybe he won't have the appetite for it
Speaker 2: because he's too old. Now, Susan Lee, this is what
Speaker 2: got me onto It was talking at the National Press
Speaker 2: Club making an election review, which sounded to me a
Speaker 2: little bit like an excuse.
Speaker 15: To be honest, these numbers reflect a deep and growing disconnect.
Speaker 15: We respect to the election outcome with humility, we accept
Speaker 15: it with contrition, and we must learn from it with conviction.
Speaker 15: The Australian people need a strong and effective alternative to
Speaker 15: vote for at the next election. Our first step is
Speaker 15: to listen so we properly understand how we can improve.
Speaker 15: Last week, we appointed Prue Goward and Nick Minchin to
Speaker 15: conduct a route and branch review of the election result.
Speaker 14: Their review will.
Speaker 15: Be frank and fearless, ensuring a thorough and honest assessment
Speaker 15: of what went wrong and how we can fix it.
Speaker 15: The review will conclude by the end of the year
Speaker 15: and it will be made public.
Speaker 14: We can do better, and we will do better.
Speaker 2: Well, that's it in a nutshell. Isn't it really a
Speaker 2: no disrespect to Susan Lee? And also, as I said,
Speaker 2: she's really inherited herself forward for the poison chalice. But
Speaker 2: you know, it sounded like something HR was saying to
Speaker 2: you when they reviewed your position at the workplace. In
Speaker 2: my opinion, that's what it sounded like. It sounded like
Speaker 2: it's you know, what you need is somebody going up
Speaker 2: there and going, Okay, we were crap, weren't we.
Speaker 5: Boy?
Speaker 2: We were rubbish, weren't we? And what you want us
Speaker 2: to do is not be rubbish anymore? Well, what are
Speaker 2: we going to do about that? We're not going to
Speaker 2: be rubbish anymore. How are we going to do that? Well,
Speaker 2: let me have a look at the list of the
Speaker 2: things that you want me to do. You want me
Speaker 2: to fix defence. Okay, sure, first things first, we're going
Speaker 2: to fix the defense. Great, tick that off, that's what
Speaker 2: you want what's the second thing, Well, cost of living's
Speaker 2: too expensive. Okay, well let's sort that out. If there's
Speaker 2: a monopoly with supermarkets, we'll sort that out. Third thing,
Speaker 2: can't afford our house? Okay, well let's try and figure
Speaker 2: that out. Maybe there's issues with you know, too many people,
Speaker 2: not enough houses, tradees, don't want to get into the
Speaker 2: business anymore. Okay, three things. Tick them off. Let's go
Speaker 2: and fix that up to you next week. You know,
Speaker 2: if you've probably said that, you'd go, oh, call crikey.
Speaker 2: They're good, aren't they They're productive. That's the kind of
Speaker 2: people I'd like to vote for. None of the corporate words,
Speaker 2: salad speak anymore. Just get to the point, like you know,
Speaker 2: even Donald Trump would say it, you know, use a
Speaker 2: couple of profanities. I think what's coming up this morning?
Speaker 2: And of Brady, the UK correspondent, the host of round Table,
Speaker 2: will have a catch up with him and talk about
Speaker 2: the UK report. I read something really interesting that's happening
Speaker 2: in the UK. I want to run by him. Doctor
Speaker 2: Carl's not here this morning, but Bianca no Grady is
Speaker 2: a freelance science journalist and author. I'm going to call
Speaker 2: her brainy Bianca because I've given her some of your questions.
Speaker 2: One of them is just absolutely brilliant. What color is
Speaker 2: a mirror? She says she can answer that. So that's
Speaker 2: on the way after one, and we've got a really
Speaker 2: packed show taking us all the way through to five
Speaker 2: thirty this morning, so I hope you can stay with
Speaker 2: so much great stuff I want to tell you about
Speaker 2: this morning that I found out about climate change is
Speaker 2: going to make cheese taste awful, breath has the same
Speaker 2: signature as your fingerprints, that's amazing. And China has a
Speaker 2: mosquito size drone. I'll tell you about all that.
Speaker 1: On TWOGB, four BC and network stations. This is our
Speaker 1: Australia Overnight with Phil O'Neil, a.
Speaker 2: Couple of days away from July. Here it is Margaret, Brisbane.
Speaker 2: Twelve degrees at the moment feels like nine bit of
Speaker 2: rain on the way for Brisbane in Sydney at the moment,
Speaker 2: nine degrees feels like one. Really, that would have to
Speaker 2: be the wind that's out there at the moment. So
Speaker 2: that's the update on what's going on with the weather.
Speaker 2: Let me get to a couple of these texts as well,
Speaker 2: and I'm glad that you reminded me to do that, Margaret,
Speaker 2: but I wouldn't forget because I'm here for you too. Phil.
Speaker 2: You should announce that Jason Morrison is going to be
Speaker 2: on the show on the weekend doing the overnight show.
Speaker 2: I don't know how many of your listeners know that,
Speaker 2: but they'll be very happy, says Paul. I know that, Paul,
Speaker 2: because I came into work evening and there was Jason Morrison,
Speaker 2: who I know and I love Jason. He is one
Speaker 2: of the smartest men in the room. But he also
Speaker 2: knows talkback really really well, and he's somebody that you know.
Speaker 2: I talked to it when I was coming to do
Speaker 2: talkback a two GB. I said, make give me some
Speaker 2: advice and he said, don't do it.
Speaker 14: No.
Speaker 2: I didn't say that, but I saw him in the
Speaker 2: hallway and I said, what are you doing here? And
Speaker 2: he's filling in for Mike Levy down the track. So
Speaker 2: he said, I'm going to do some overnights and I said,
Speaker 2: you mad, are you insane? You know what it does
Speaker 2: to you right, you know what's going to happen to
Speaker 2: your body? You know your age fifteen years in a minute.
Speaker 2: And he said, no, I want to get back into
Speaker 2: the practice of doing it because I'm going to be
Speaker 2: filling in for Mike Levy and I want to salk
Speaker 2: to the listeners overnight and have a chat with him.
Speaker 2: So I'll be doing that this weekend. So that's excellent,
Speaker 2: that's brilliant for anybody that likes Jason Morrison this weekend.
Speaker 2: He'll keep you coming and give him a ring as well.
Speaker 2: He's he is, you know, talk back radio personified. And
Speaker 2: this text for the lady who's tagging sitting in for
Speaker 2: doctor Carl, can you ask a request? And I certainly will,
Speaker 2: and I'll take your questions. By the way, in just
Speaker 2: a moment. Our guest host for Doctor Carl is Bianca
Speaker 2: No Grady, and she's already been given the questions that
Speaker 2: you sent me on the text, and she's come up
Speaker 2: with a couple of her own as well. So we'll
Speaker 2: do that a little bit later on. But you want
Speaker 2: me to ask her. Can animals get embarrassed? Fantastic? I
Speaker 2: imagine they would. I imagine they would, because you know,
Speaker 2: when you've come into the house and the dog's eaten
Speaker 2: the cake and you go, Fred, did you eat that cake?
Speaker 2: And it looks all embarrassed, so I think they would,
Speaker 2: but I don't know. Maybe they just know that they're
Speaker 2: in trouble. Another one that came in here from Chris.
Speaker 2: This is how the election to elections are contrived. Phil.
Speaker 2: I was on the lawn in the north of the
Speaker 2: Parliament entry protesting the proposed carbon labor tax I was photographed,
Speaker 2: or I photographed I should say, two males from a
Speaker 2: get up group who was standing behind Tony Abbott, and
Speaker 2: they had that ditch the witch, the big poster which
Speaker 2: from memory, Miss Gillard's labor response was to use it
Speaker 2: as a weapon, declaring male misogyny. I remember that when
Speaker 2: that happened. Thanks Chris for sending that text through. I
Speaker 2: remember when that happened. And the thing is, you can't
Speaker 2: control what's going on behind you. If somebody's going to
Speaker 2: stand behind you with a poster like that, you can't
Speaker 2: weaponize that. If the person just happens to be standing somewhere,
Speaker 2: or if somebody happens to be walking past a poster
Speaker 2: that may say something inappropriate, you can't take a photo
Speaker 2: of them and then put them in the frame and say, well,
Speaker 2: that pretty much says what that person's all about. And
Speaker 2: you know anyway besides that, now that was before you know, Ai,
Speaker 2: I don't. I'm getting to the stage now where I
Speaker 2: don't believe anything my eyes can see. If I can
Speaker 2: see it with my own eyes, I don't believe it
Speaker 2: anymore unless it's actually in physical form in front of me.
Speaker 2: Otherwise I see AI and I just think, Wow, we've
Speaker 2: come a long way. But nothing feels real anymore. Phil,
Speaker 2: It's twelve degrees, but it feels like eight. What is
Speaker 2: the actual temperature? Well, where are you at the moment?
Speaker 2: Are you in Britain? Because I don't think I did
Speaker 2: the eight degrees? In Sydney it's nine and it feels
Speaker 2: like one for that person that was sending that text through,
Speaker 2: and the Brisbane one was twelve, but it feels like nine.
Speaker 2: Let me get to Jason in a sec. But let's
Speaker 2: just catch up on a couple of things that are
Speaker 2: going on in the news before we go to n
Speaker 2: de Brady, and then we have our first of the
Speaker 2: Doctor Carle questions. A series of new satellite images have
Speaker 2: painted a clearer picture of what damage was inflicted on
Speaker 2: the Iranian nuclear development sites after they were struck by
Speaker 2: the B two bombers. Carrying the bunker buster bombs, and
Speaker 2: it's being questioned as to whether or not the strikes
Speaker 2: actually obliterated the site. And this report is saying that
Speaker 2: it actually probably only set back Iran's capacity to develop
Speaker 2: nuclear weapons by a few months. How do you think
Speaker 2: Donald Trump feels about that? Well, he is absolutely furious.
Speaker 2: He's a q CNN and the New York Times of
Speaker 2: attempting to demean one of the most successful military strikes
Speaker 2: in history. Those are his words after the outlets reported
Speaker 2: leaked intelligence found that the US sites on Iran left
Speaker 2: most of its nuclear infrastructure intact, he said on his
Speaker 2: truth social with all caps. Of course, if you want
Speaker 2: to make a point, you've got to have everything in
Speaker 2: all caps. This is what he said. Fake news CNN,
Speaker 2: together with the failing New York Times, have teamed up
Speaker 2: in an attempt to demean one of the most successful
Speaker 2: military strikes in history. The nuclear strikes in Iran are
Speaker 2: completely destroyed, he wrote. While also in the Netherlands of
Speaker 2: the NATO summit, he said both the Times, as in
Speaker 2: the New York Times and CNN are getting slammed by
Speaker 2: the public, So he's not happy about that. Good news.
Speaker 2: For over one hundred and eighteen Australians airlifted out of
Speaker 2: Tel Aviv by the Royal Australian Air Force. And congratulations
Speaker 2: again to the Royal Australian Air Force for helping out.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously they did that at the year behest
Speaker 2: of the Prime Minister, but the in fact Anthony Albaniz
Speaker 2: he said, you know, this is great news. We always
Speaker 2: prioritize the safety of Australians. A lot of people stuck.
Speaker 2: I think the Iran airspace remains closed, may reopen two
Speaker 2: o'clock GMT their time, so that's today, but yesterday in
Speaker 2: their time, of course, there's not a lot of a lot
Speaker 2: of flights out of it. Ryan at the moment, I
Speaker 2: think I saw that Aaron Molan was trapped somewhere in Israel,
Speaker 2: so why if you manage to get out. We were
Speaker 2: a bit concerned about oil prices. Well they've fallen, stock
Speaker 2: markets have jumped as the fragile sees fire between Iran
Speaker 2: and Israel holds, and that's good. There was a certain
Speaker 2: overnight presenter whose name is Phil, who said the other day,
Speaker 2: the other day, just before this, make sure you fill
Speaker 2: up your petrol tank. Well, that person whose name is
Speaker 2: phil who was doing the overnight show, was absolutely wrong
Speaker 2: about that. The US deploys its most advanced aircraft carrier
Speaker 2: towards the Middle East. That's the USS Gerald R Ford
Speaker 2: with a carrier strike group that will join a couple
Speaker 2: of others that are already there too, the USS Carl
Speaker 2: Vincent and the USS Nimits. So they are around that
Speaker 2: particular area and certainly showing a show of force. As
Speaker 2: Donald Trump says, he's not going to put up with
Speaker 2: any more nonsense. Iran thought that they would have an
Speaker 2: ally in Vladimir Russian Russian President Vladimir Putin, turns out
Speaker 2: he left them hanging, gave them a bit of a
Speaker 2: cold shoulder. And also Pakistan has said that Donald Trump
Speaker 2: has blood on his hands over the Nobel Peace Prize. Fura,
Speaker 2: you know that Pakistani opposition leader nominated Donald Trump, and
Speaker 2: I think it was in fact, quite a few people
Speaker 2: in parliament there nominated him for the Nobel Peace Prize.
Speaker 2: Now they're saying since the US strikes on nuclear sites
Speaker 2: in Iran, he no longer deserves it. And one more,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to talk about this later on this
Speaker 2: morning with Skiv, who is our cyber expert. US officials
Speaker 2: and private experts are warning that Iran may retaliate against
Speaker 2: the United States by a range of cyber attacks. So
Speaker 2: I want to find out how good their cyber attacks are,
Speaker 2: whether or not they have any kind of capability that
Speaker 2: can weakness. Skeev Stevens is our expert. Talk to him
Speaker 2: a little bit later on. Let's get to Jason. How
Speaker 2: are you made house hospital this morning? How are you feeling, buddy?
Speaker 13: Oh, yeah, as good as I can be.
Speaker 2: Oh, you sound a bit backwards, You sound a bit down?
Speaker 2: Are you okay?
Speaker 13: They'd rather be at home. But of courbviously, I haven't
Speaker 13: got the strength in the legs at the moment, so
Speaker 13: so until I get that strength back in the legs properly,
Speaker 13: I'm still using a walker at the moment, but I'm
Speaker 13: kicking all the all the goals plus a little bit
Speaker 13: more than the physios are wanting me to do.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 13: So almost with the doctors and the physios at the
Speaker 13: moment I said, I said, they said, what's your goal?
Speaker 13: The other day I said, I want to be out
Speaker 13: of here with them within a month.
Speaker 2: And you'll do that too. And for the people that
Speaker 2: don't know Jason's been in hospital. He was in north Shore,
Speaker 2: has now gone off to Hornsby. He's had some major surgeries.
Speaker 2: Ringing us every night because we want to make sure
Speaker 2: that he's okay. When you came on, it sounded like
Speaker 2: you might have gone backwards a bit. But you're okay,
Speaker 2: aren't you.
Speaker 13: No, No, I just had a bit of water and
Speaker 13: just had it to be harned.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 13: No, no, I'm definitely fine.
Speaker 2: Good. How's the rehabit going?
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, no, it's good. I'm kicking all the gold.
Speaker 13: So it's about one hundred and twenty meters to the gym.
Speaker 13: I'm walking down there and walking back like it's hard work.
Speaker 13: It's sore, like I said, Like I said to you before,
Speaker 13: when I had the open heart surgery back in twenty
Speaker 13: and eighteen, I was, I think, on the table for
Speaker 13: nine hours and then I woke up. And when I
Speaker 13: woke up until the day or so later in ICU
Speaker 13: with all these cords hanging over me in the nurse
Speaker 13: slapping me telling me not to use my elbows to
Speaker 13: raise up because they just put the wire in and
Speaker 13: they put my thing my chest back together and that,
Speaker 13: and then the next day they had me up sitting
Speaker 13: in the chair next to the bed. And the day
Speaker 13: after that they had me walking down, walking down the corridoro.
Speaker 13: But but this time, this time, nobody, like I said
Speaker 13: to you, nobody ever told me because it is it
Speaker 13: the amount of time that I was off my feet
Speaker 13: for Like as I said, after the surgery, I slept
Speaker 13: for five days and then it was another it was
Speaker 13: another two weeks before I actually the vigil would actually
Speaker 13: help me get out of bed and start to do
Speaker 13: some walking. And I just then that was it raw,
Speaker 13: not sure. And then now that I'm at Hornsby, I'm
Speaker 13: just kicking the goals, mate, that's all.
Speaker 10: That's all.
Speaker 13: It's all I can.
Speaker 2: Do that, and it's good. Isn't it crazy how heavy
Speaker 2: your legs can be when you haven't used them for
Speaker 2: a while.
Speaker 13: It's just like a couple of the other problem is
Speaker 13: with my diabetes. I've actually got the fluid on my legs,
Speaker 13: so that doesn't help either. And I can I do
Speaker 13: dialysis three times a week, but it's it's coming off.
Speaker 13: But but I was on osen peak because if I'm
Speaker 13: if I'm ever going to kidney transplant in the future,
Speaker 13: I need to be around about eighty k i's and
Speaker 13: I'm most probably going to about ninety one at the moment.
Speaker 13: I think ninety one, don't ninety three? Ninety one yesterday
Speaker 13: after the dialysis.
Speaker 2: Well that's good, so.
Speaker 13: I'm sitting on that. So but they've stopped the ozen
Speaker 13: peak before the surgery, yeah, and they haven't put me
Speaker 13: back on it. So I brought it up with the
Speaker 13: doctors here today and she goes, oh, osn peak's not
Speaker 13: good for your kidneys, And I said, well, I spoke
Speaker 13: to my kidney specialist who's that north Shore, and I
Speaker 13: spoke to him about him, and he said, let's wait
Speaker 13: a couple of months and then we'll kick it off.
Speaker 13: And then a couple of months later we talked to
Speaker 13: her again. He said, yeah, let's kick it off. And
Speaker 13: I was at the stage, you know how you your
Speaker 13: stomach might have a bit of weait on, but the
Speaker 13: sides of it come in and face down, you know
Speaker 13: what I mean.
Speaker 10: Yeah, now all that side stuff.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, though, there's some women in the
Speaker 2: Eastern suburbs are really angry that you're using that as ZMPE.
Speaker 13: You know, well, I'm allowed to it.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. That's no excuse. You know, they're
Speaker 2: going to go to the chemist now and get told
Speaker 2: they can't have the ezembic. It's you. They're going to
Speaker 2: be angry at.
Speaker 13: Oh that's fine, Bring it on, bring it on.
Speaker 2: Well, mate, you're doing well. Let's talk again tomorrow night
Speaker 2: and I'm glad and let's keep so let's make a
Speaker 2: date for this. Then you're going to get out of hospital.
Speaker 2: When what day are we looking at?
Speaker 5: Here?
Speaker 2: Do you want?
Speaker 13: Well, I'm saying within four weeks i've been here. This
Speaker 13: will be week two, okay, week three, week four, so
Speaker 13: so I'm saying four weeks, maybe five weeks on the outside.
Speaker 2: So that's that's that's aim for the twenty fourth, and
Speaker 2: we're all going to be behind you for you walking
Speaker 2: out twenty fourth of July. My friend, I'm going to say,
Speaker 2: I've got a text by the way for you from
Speaker 2: David who says everyone in Taiwan and China are wishing
Speaker 2: you a speedy recovery. He's listening there.
Speaker 13: Tell David, I said, thank you very much.
Speaker 4: All right, mate, we'll listen just before you go.
Speaker 13: What are we doing in Australia? I mean, I mean
Speaker 13: you can obviously tell I didn't vote.
Speaker 16: Bit, what is it?
Speaker 13: What is Albo doing? He won't stand up to he
Speaker 13: won't stand up to anybody. He's actually he's his weak
Speaker 13: as the Week's Well. I was going to say week
Speaker 13: as a kid a cat, but cats are not week.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You've been on your back for four months and
Speaker 2: you've done more work than he's done.
Speaker 16: Yeah.
Speaker 13: Well, I mean listen, listen when I when I because
Speaker 13: when I first came out of the camera and I
Speaker 13: started to wake up, my head was still all over
Speaker 13: the place from being on the drugs and being under
Speaker 13: and that and having the tube down my throat and
Speaker 13: all that, So my head.
Speaker 16: Was all over the place.
Speaker 13: And I actually thought it was twenty twenty eight. It
Speaker 13: was the twenty eighth of the month till I came out, Yeah,
Speaker 13: last month, And I actually.
Speaker 12: Thought it was so.
Speaker 13: And I was listening to the radio and some of
Speaker 13: the formats had changed, and I said, oh, on the
Speaker 13: second now, I just invoted in how can we have
Speaker 13: a liberal how can we have a liberal government?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go, and you turn on the radio, thought, Craiky,
Speaker 2: they've still got phill on the overnight show. He hasn't
Speaker 2: got any better mate, Jason.
Speaker 13: No, no, no, not at all, not at all. It's
Speaker 13: just it was very confusing. So I mean, I mean, listen,
Speaker 13: I mean they were already in enough edit as it is.
Speaker 13: So I don't know why Albo just doesn't bite the
Speaker 13: bullet and spend the five percent on defense. And I
Speaker 13: think that should bring back in nashows because half of
Speaker 13: our youth are sitting around doing nothing and then they're
Speaker 13: getting paid for it by our government. So I think
Speaker 13: that should bring in NA shows and that'll help bring
Speaker 13: up our our our crews and stuff like that, and
Speaker 13: and hopefully some people will go on to make I'm
Speaker 13: going to make a career out of it. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 13: that's it, and that's that's the only way I can
Speaker 13: see that they would get enough people in is doing nashows.
Speaker 13: But they're they're two weeks. They're just two week And
Speaker 13: I mean, listen, I never voted for Tony Abbott, but
Speaker 13: I was proud to have him as my crime in
Speaker 13: the stuff.
Speaker 2: There's a there's another mate, you take care of yourself.
Speaker 2: I'm going to get to the UK.
Speaker 13: Mate, just before you go, just ender price for prime
Speaker 13: in So that's all I can say.
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, you.
Speaker 13: Won't put up with any crap from them.
Speaker 2: Let's talk tomorrow, Jason. I've gotta go. I'm got to
Speaker 2: get to the UK. Mate, Let's talk tomorrow. Take care
Speaker 2: of yourself, all right, do.
Speaker 13: Me your favorite sello the end of fine.
Speaker 2: I will. I'm going to have a chat with him
Speaker 2: in just a moment. Thank you so much. That's our mate, Jason.
Speaker 2: Who will talk to you tomorrow. And if you want
Speaker 2: to text him and give him some wishes you can
Speaker 2: zero four six zero eight seven three eight seven three
Speaker 2: off to enter in the UK after this at twenty
Speaker 2: two past one, twenty five minutes past one. By the way, David,
Speaker 2: who I spoke to about the surgery on the back,
Speaker 2: just sent me an email with some of the work
Speaker 2: that he's had done to some of these scars. He's
Speaker 2: got some of the bruising Mate. That looks pretty pretty interesting,
Speaker 2: pretty impressive there too. And I say that because I
Speaker 2: know you only sent that to me because you're trying
Speaker 2: to show me that your bruises and scars and surgery
Speaker 2: look worse than my toe. That's the only reason for it.
Speaker 2: You even mentioned that. But appreciate that, and it's good
Speaker 2: to talk to you. To David, and also Joe just
Speaker 2: sent me a textco and the satellite photos look pretty
Speaker 2: convincing to me. And the whole place was obliterated. Talking
Speaker 2: about the story with the Bunker Busters, which is being
Speaker 2: debunked by The New York Times NCNN, but Joe says
Speaker 2: these strikes should qualify Trump for the Nobel Prisurprise if
Speaker 2: they reduced the threat of nuclear conflict in the Middle
Speaker 2: East without targeting civilians. It's hard tonight because it went
Speaker 2: so far down into the ground too. You know, I
Speaker 2: think you'd have to be down there or have a
Speaker 2: camera down there to have any accurate idea of whether
Speaker 2: or not it was successful. But you know, it's certainly
Speaker 2: stopped the issues for the time being. Let's get to
Speaker 2: the UK twenty six past.
Speaker 1: One the UK Report.
Speaker 2: Hello, and how is it? Is it warm? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Do you know what, Phil, it's a little bit humid.
Speaker 4: We are mid afternoon here. What is it coming up?
Speaker 4: Half past four in the afternoon Wednesday. It's humid. It's
Speaker 4: Iran earlier on and it was quite sunny then. But
Speaker 4: the heat way we had last week has subsided. We
Speaker 4: touched Turkey celsius.
Speaker 5: Life, I know, thirty degrees.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was it was really enjoyab all. I have
Speaker 4: to say, long time coming, of course, but what are
Speaker 4: we twenty six in London, twenty four right now here
Speaker 4: in Oxfordshire?
Speaker 2: It feels about one degree in Sydney, so you know
Speaker 2: we're taking that on a couple of things I wanted
Speaker 2: to talk to you about, but just one that came
Speaker 2: up a moment ago on Sky News. The UK is
Speaker 2: to expand nuclear deterrent, getting some new fighter jets. I noticed.
Speaker 2: Let's just come up. I don't know how across that
Speaker 2: you are.
Speaker 4: Yes, So this is a big deal. Obviously, there's a
Speaker 4: NATO summat going on right now in the Hague in
Speaker 4: the Netherlands, and President Trump is there and Keir Starmer
Speaker 4: clearly wants to be very very good friends with this
Speaker 4: American administration under Donald Trump. So the UK is going
Speaker 4: to spend some money on defense. What they're doing is
Speaker 4: getting F thirty five A fighter jets. They're capable of
Speaker 4: carrying nuclear missiles, and as it stands right now, the
Speaker 4: UK is only in a position to fire them from submarines.
Speaker 4: What they want to do is give themselves more capacity
Speaker 4: and a greater variety of their arsenal and I think
Speaker 4: all of this is a nudge and a wink and
Speaker 4: a nod towards Russia and just flexing the muscles and
Speaker 4: saying to putin you know, don't even think about pushing us.
Speaker 2: Well, at least your government's doing something about your defense,
Speaker 2: unlike here, you know, at least you're actually standing up
Speaker 2: and buying yourself some equipment. Let's talk about your government.
Speaker 2: Sakiah Stama. The UK Prime Minister is bringing forward the
Speaker 2: Trump state visit to the UK in September. But the
Speaker 2: King Charles is not happy about this.
Speaker 4: I believe no, not at all. So again this is
Speaker 4: cozying up the Trump. Trump is in Europe. Starmer wants
Speaker 4: to be the European leader who has the best relationship
Speaker 4: with Trump and this American administration. So we're already seeing
Speaker 4: the military side and the deals and the money, as
Speaker 4: I just told you about the fighter jets. What we're
Speaker 4: also hearing today is that this state visit for Donald
Speaker 4: Trump will happen this September.
Speaker 17: Now.
Speaker 4: When it was announced earlier in the year, I was
Speaker 4: told by Royal journalists and they go to briefings regularly
Speaker 4: with Palace officials, I was told this would be twenty
Speaker 4: twenty six, if not twenty seven, that is how long
Speaker 4: ahead they were planning it. And Charles's view was that yes,
Speaker 4: President Trump could come visit Scotland at some point in
Speaker 4: our autumn September October, for maybe a lunch in bal Moral.
Speaker 4: They could sit down, have a chat and start planning
Speaker 4: things that Trump would be interested in doing in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty six or twenty seven. And now we're hearing from
Speaker 4: Starmar that it's being brought forward and Trump will come
Speaker 4: on his unprecedented second state visit for a US president
Speaker 4: in September. So the government is going directly against the
Speaker 4: King's wishes. And you do wonder, you know, is that
Speaker 4: going to put Charles in a bad mood? You know,
Speaker 4: he probably thought he had twelve months to plan and
Speaker 4: think of interesting things and places to take Trump, and
Speaker 4: now it's happening in a matter of weeks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's probably Charles, he's got too many
Speaker 2: other things. He's probably trying to work too many other
Speaker 2: fires he's trying to put out at the moment too.
Speaker 2: But there you go. Before we talk about Sport, I
Speaker 2: saw this story and I wanted to talk to you
Speaker 2: about it. The British public must actively prepare for war
Speaker 2: on UK soil. According to a chilling government document. Newly
Speaker 2: published National Security Strategy said the years ahead will test
Speaker 2: the nation with a World War two style spirit needed
Speaker 2: to deal with the growing threats. Where's Winston Churchill when
Speaker 2: you need him? Have you been made aware of this?
Speaker 2: Were you aware of this document?
Speaker 4: Yes? Yes, So Look there's a few things on this film.
Speaker 4: First of all, you've got a lot of military people
Speaker 4: who aren't happy at the level of defense spending at
Speaker 4: the moment. They want the UK to get the five
Speaker 4: percent of GDP as quickly as possible. Starmar and the
Speaker 4: rest of natof come out today and said yep, we'll
Speaker 4: get to five percent both by twenty thirty five. A
Speaker 4: lot of military chiefs and people embedded in the defense system,
Speaker 4: they're coming out and saying, well, look, Putin will not
Speaker 4: stop at Ukraine. He will keep going and we need
Speaker 4: to be prepared. So what you're seeing is a lot
Speaker 4: of these reports emerging with people clearly with the vested
Speaker 4: interest in getting more money spent on defense, saber rattling
Speaker 4: and just saying a phraser. Heard the other day someone
Speaker 4: in Europe, a leader said, you know, either spend five
Speaker 4: percent or start learning Russian. That was the phrase that
Speaker 4: was used. So clearly they're very worried about the threat
Speaker 4: from Putin's Russia. And you've got to kind of read
Speaker 4: into it that a lot of these defense bosses want
Speaker 4: more money spent, and this kind of rhetoric is all
Speaker 4: aimed at pushing political leaders to dig deeper financially.
Speaker 2: And I think that powerphrase is something that goes back
Speaker 2: to the days of Dad Zama. You've been at defend
Speaker 2: your country. He'll end up having this pick German.
Speaker 4: Here we go, there you go.
Speaker 2: All right, and let's talk about one more thing. Andy Murray,
Speaker 2: who's had a really relationship with the English, because he's
Speaker 2: going to get his own statue at Wimbledon for the
Speaker 2: one hundred and fiftieth anniversary in two years. And I'd
Speaker 2: say that because being English, you know, whenever Andy Murray
Speaker 2: did well, it was come on, Andy, you've you know,
Speaker 2: you're great. And then of course when he didn't do well,
Speaker 2: everyone would go wells Scottish, you know.
Speaker 4: So he is going to get his own statue at Wimbledon,
Speaker 4: and I'm really happy for him. I have no problem
Speaker 4: with Andy Murray whatsoever. I think him, his brother, his mother,
Speaker 4: they have done so much for sport in this country.
Speaker 4: I mean you think he comes from a town called
Speaker 4: Dunblane in Scotland. Yeah, not renowned as a sporting hub
Speaker 4: until the Murray's came along. A terrible, terrible thing happened
Speaker 4: there in ninety five ninety six when there was a
Speaker 4: school shooting which changed gun law forever in the United Kingdom.
Speaker 4: Andy Murray and his brother were actually in that school
Speaker 4: on that day and he went off. His mum, Judy,
Speaker 4: took him to Spain into the He's kind of elite
Speaker 4: tennis coaching academies. His brother has had a wonderful career
Speaker 4: as a doubles player. He has won titles, and Andy
Speaker 4: has won US Open, and he's won Wimbledon twice, and
Speaker 4: he won two Olympic gold medals. And yes, he gets
Speaker 4: some criticism for people saying, oh, he didn't win as
Speaker 4: much as Nadal and Federer and Djokovic. I think he
Speaker 4: was really unlucky to live in the era of those
Speaker 4: three guys. And he still came out with three slams
Speaker 4: and two Olympic gold medals. So Wimbledon will celebrate it's
Speaker 4: one hundred and fiftieth anniversary in twenty twenty seven, and
Speaker 4: the plan is that Andy Murray will get his own
Speaker 4: statue at Wimbledon to mark the occasion. Good luck to him.
Speaker 2: I absolutely agree, although again it goes back to being
Speaker 2: English and him not winning, and then we go, well,
Speaker 2: you know, he's Scottish. We have a similar relationship with
Speaker 2: anybody from New Zealand, like Russell Crowe. You know, we
Speaker 2: love Russell and he's Australian, unless, of course, he loses
Speaker 2: the Oscar. Then we go, well, you know, he's not
Speaker 2: actually Australian, he's from New Zealand.
Speaker 4: Oh look, Andy made one little stupid gag on radio
Speaker 4: during a soccer tournament years ago. I remember, I think
Speaker 4: he was talking with Tim Henman. Tim Henman, of course
Speaker 4: famously English, and he's approded scott and someone said to
Speaker 4: him who will you be cheering for at this World
Speaker 4: Cup and he flippantly jokingly said anyone but England and
Speaker 4: that gets played over and over and he's got a
Speaker 4: sense to humor. He can't win, but I personally I
Speaker 4: love the guy. I absolutely think he is brilliant and
Speaker 4: I can't wait to see what he does next.
Speaker 2: We love that about you too, when we can't wait
Speaker 2: to talk to you next week. In the meantime, stay
Speaker 2: hydrated and don't forget to stretch the hemmies before you
Speaker 2: hit the right friend, Phil, thank you and the Brady
Speaker 2: there are UK Correspondent. I've got a text here that
Speaker 2: just came through a moment ago from Michael who said,
Speaker 2: can you tell me the score between Australia and West
Speaker 2: Indies because I can't get it and I can't receive
Speaker 2: it on the app. And Chris just rang me from
Speaker 2: the sorry, I should say, ran in from the studio
Speaker 2: next door from the Wheels of Steel and he gave
Speaker 2: me the score and do you think I can find
Speaker 2: it now? In front of me? He gave me put
Speaker 2: it in my hand. So if anybody knows what or
Speaker 2: how he can get involved in that by watching that
Speaker 2: on the app or seeing it on the app, please
Speaker 2: you know, get in touch now Texas on zero four
Speaker 2: six zero eight seven three eight seven three. Here it
Speaker 2: is so Australia versus West Indies first innings Australia forty
Speaker 2: one for three yet to bat. I don't know much
Speaker 2: about cricket, so I hope, I said, that right. Australia
Speaker 2: forty one for three yet to bat first Test first innings.
Speaker 2: So if you want to give me any more updates
Speaker 2: on that, by all means do But I think that
Speaker 2: the deal is that with Michael, he wants to find
Speaker 2: how he can get it on an app. Can you
Speaker 2: help him out? Zero four six zero eight seven three
Speaker 2: eight seven three twenty five to two. I can't wait
Speaker 2: to find out the answers to some of your great
Speaker 2: questions for doctor Carl and clever bi anchor. Braandy Biancher
Speaker 2: is sitting in next She'll have a guar at those
Speaker 2: for you. Twenty one to two. Thanks Viv. You can
Speaker 2: get the cricket on ESPN, Disney and KO now instead
Speaker 2: of doctor carb This warning answering your questions, It's Biancer,
Speaker 2: No Grady, Do I call you doctor Biancher?
Speaker 12: Ah kay if you like.
Speaker 17: It's not technically my title, but I'm happy to take it.
Speaker 2: What about brainy bi anchor?
Speaker 12: Yes, good at improvising, Bianca might work you go.
Speaker 2: Let's get to some of these questions and I love them.
Speaker 2: This one from Paul. When you're standing on the shoreline,
Speaker 2: how far away is the horizon with the curvature of
Speaker 2: the Earth.
Speaker 17: So the answer to this is both simple and complicated.
Speaker 17: So it's simple because it's actually relatively easy to work
Speaker 17: this out, essentially just a mathematical formula. It uses Pythagris's theorem,
Speaker 17: and essentially it takes into account your height and the
Speaker 17: diameter of the Earth, but the actual mass of that
Speaker 17: is in terms of and I say this because I
Speaker 17: am not a mathematically inclined person, but I'll try and
Speaker 17: talk you through it. So essentially, if you imagine that
Speaker 17: you've got a triangle where one side of the triangle
Speaker 17: is a distance from let's say you're eyes right down
Speaker 17: to the center of the Earth. The other side of
Speaker 17: the triangle is the distance from the horizon all the
Speaker 17: way to the center of the Earth.
Speaker 12: And then the.
Speaker 17: Third side of the triangle is the line from your
Speaker 17: eyes to that point on the horizon. So you're creating
Speaker 17: a kind of a triangle that you can then measure. Now,
Speaker 17: if you use Pythagris's theorem, you can actually then work
Speaker 17: out because you know how long, we know what the
Speaker 17: diameter of the Earth is, and we know what our
Speaker 17: own height is, so we can work out the length
Speaker 17: of two sides of the triangle and then you can
Speaker 17: use Pythagrisi's theorem, which I'm not going to do live
Speaker 17: on air because I'm not a mathematically kind person, but
Speaker 17: you can then relatively easily use that to work out
Speaker 17: how long the line is then from your eyes to
Speaker 17: the horizon. Or you can cheat and there is actually
Speaker 17: a website online where you can enter your height or
Speaker 17: the height the altitude that you're at, and then it
Speaker 17: will tell you how far it is to the horizon.
Speaker 17: So in my case, I'm about one point five meters home.
Speaker 17: I think it might be one point six I'm not sure.
Speaker 17: So if I was standing at sea level, like on
Speaker 17: a beach, and I was looking over to the horizon,
Speaker 17: it would be about four point three seven kilometers away.
Speaker 12: If you're a bit taller, obviously it's a little bit further.
Speaker 17: And then if you're in an aeroplane, so let's say
Speaker 17: you're flying in ten kilometers above the Earth's surface, you
Speaker 17: will be able to see three hundred and fifty seven
Speaker 17: kilometers to the horizon, and obviously the further up.
Speaker 12: You go, the further out you can see.
Speaker 2: Okay, I just want to pick up on one thing though,
Speaker 2: Paul said, Curvature of the Earth obviously not realizing that
Speaker 2: the Earth is in fact flat.
Speaker 17: Well, that would make the calculations a lot simpler if.
Speaker 2: That throws everything easily into the bucket. Here's a question
Speaker 2: from Sue. What's the smallest possible unit of time?
Speaker 17: This is a great question because you know, we initially
Speaker 17: might think, oh, it's like a microsecond or a pico second,
Speaker 17: or some kind of weird thing that you could measure
Speaker 17: on the stopwatch.
Speaker 12: But actually we're getting down.
Speaker 17: Into the realm of the quantum with this because the
Speaker 17: smallest unit of time that can in theory be measured
Speaker 17: is actually called.
Speaker 12: The Plank time.
Speaker 17: Brilliant and weird stuff happens at Plank time, so it's
Speaker 17: the Plank time. So it's p L A N c K.
Speaker 17: So this is names after Max Plank, who was a
Speaker 17: German theoretical physicist, and he actually discovered energy quanta, the
Speaker 17: kind of packet parcels of energy in the earlier nineteen hundreds,
Speaker 17: won him the Nobel Prize in Physics in nineteen eighteen.
Speaker 17: So Plank time is defined as the amount of time
Speaker 17: it takes a photon of light. So a particle of
Speaker 17: light which is traveling at the speed of light as
Speaker 17: they do, it's a time it takes to cross the
Speaker 17: distance of one plank length. So what is a plank length.
Speaker 17: Plank length is one point six times ten to the
Speaker 17: minus thirty five meters, So I kind of even give
Speaker 17: you a comparison of how many plank lengths there are
Speaker 17: in a you know, with the human hair.
Speaker 12: It's so infinitesimly tiny.
Speaker 17: And so the amount of time that it takes for
Speaker 17: light to cross a plank length is five point thirty
Speaker 17: nine times ten to the minus forty four seconds. And
Speaker 17: some really weird stuff happens in the kind of plank
Speaker 17: length and plank time. So this is essentially where gravity,
Speaker 17: what we understand as the behavior of gravity, doesn't kind
Speaker 17: of work. And it's like this is where I don't
Speaker 17: know if you've ever heard, it's idear of a theory
Speaker 17: of everything, and it's this kind of quest in theoretical
Speaker 17: physics to try and combine general relativity, which is, you know,
Speaker 17: things that are affected by gravity, with quantum mechanics, which
Speaker 17: is things that are essentially below you know, at this level,
Speaker 17: and trying there's always this quest to try and unite
Speaker 17: those two things so that it all makes sense. One great, big,
Speaker 17: beautiful theory, and so far physicists haven't quite managed to
Speaker 17: do it. So yeah, plank time and plank length is
Speaker 17: the smallest measurable distance and unit of time.
Speaker 2: You're so clever. And you know what, because I'm the
Speaker 2: most annoying person anybody would ever meet. Just ask the listeners.
Speaker 2: They'll tell you that I'm going to actually respond to
Speaker 2: people when they say I'll be there in a sec
Speaker 2: I'll go yep. And what's that in plank time?
Speaker 12: You know one day you'll do that. And if it's
Speaker 12: a theoretical physicist, they're going to give you many.
Speaker 2: Yeah, then I really look like an idiot. What more
Speaker 2: from Steve? Steve says what color is the surface of
Speaker 2: a mirror?
Speaker 11: Well?
Speaker 12: This was an interesting one.
Speaker 17: So I guess when we're talking about the actual surface
Speaker 17: of a mirror, there's kind of two bits there. So
Speaker 17: there's the surface, which is the glass that forms I
Speaker 17: guess what you think of as the front part of
Speaker 17: a mirror. But then the back part of the mirror
Speaker 17: is the silvery reflective layer. So if we say the
Speaker 17: silvery reflective layer, well, I guess it's a sort of
Speaker 17: a silvery color in and of itself, but then it's
Speaker 17: also reflecting whatever is in front of it.
Speaker 12: So what we see is.
Speaker 17: That color is going to be whatever it is that
Speaker 17: we're seeing reflected. But the glass is an interesting one
Speaker 17: because we think of glass as being clear, and for
Speaker 17: the most part, what we see out of you know,
Speaker 17: a typical glass window like the one I'm looking out now,
Speaker 17: it's clear. We don't really see any tint in it.
Speaker 17: But real glass does actually have a slight greenish tint,
Speaker 17: and that's because there's a small amount of iron oxide
Speaker 17: that's in the sand that's used to make what we
Speaker 17: think of as normal glass. So the short answer would
Speaker 17: be the surface of that mirror would be a very
Speaker 17: very very faint greenish tint. So if you think of
Speaker 17: about a really thick pane of glass, if you're able,
Speaker 17: if you look at it side on, sometimes if you
Speaker 17: see like a glass piece of glass looking like a
Speaker 17: shower of cubicle, you can look at it side on
Speaker 17: and you can see it's a little bit greenish. So
Speaker 17: that's the sort of color if you're going to be
Speaker 17: really technical, looks clear, but in fact there's a bit
Speaker 17: of green in it.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad we're able to talk about this morning.
Speaker 2: And when I go in to get some paint to
Speaker 2: paint the bathroom, that's what I'm going to ask for.
Speaker 2: I want ten to mirror green.
Speaker 17: Yeah, it'd be very tricky to find that one. I
Speaker 17: think it's a very faint color.
Speaker 2: Hang around there for a sec because we want to
Speaker 2: talk about why dog walking is dangerous and killer whales
Speaker 2: that are making tools ten to too. Sitting in for
Speaker 2: doctor Carl guest host Bianca no Grady, So tell us this,
Speaker 2: why is dog walking so dangerous?
Speaker 17: Well, so I'm a dog person, so I need to
Speaker 17: counter this by saying, first of all, dog walking is.
Speaker 12: Very good for your health.
Speaker 17: It gets you out and it's a lot of physical
Speaker 17: activity and that we should all be doing this. So
Speaker 17: let's just put that kind of qualifyer out first. But
Speaker 17: there is also some risk involving involved in dog walking.
Speaker 17: And this is actually some research that came out of
Speaker 17: the UK and they found that the annual cost of
Speaker 17: injuries from dog walking is estimated to be about fifty
Speaker 17: million dollars in Australian each year. Yeah, so, and look,
Speaker 17: there's no reason to think that the UK would be
Speaker 17: particularly different to Australia. And what they're looking specifically at
Speaker 17: or what seems to be the most common form of injuries,
Speaker 17: injuries to wrists and hands and fingers. So I don't
Speaker 17: know if you're a dog on a field, but.
Speaker 2: I had dogs dog.
Speaker 17: You know, they could be pretty enthusiastic. It depends on
Speaker 17: how well they're trained.
Speaker 12: But if you've got a big, heavy set labrador.
Speaker 17: That really likes just sniffing and dragging you off into
Speaker 17: every direction, that can actually put a lot of strain
Speaker 17: on wrists and fingers and arms and elbows. And so
Speaker 17: when they were looking at these studies, they found that
Speaker 17: about one in I mean, it's twenty two percent of
Speaker 17: the injuries were soft tissue injuries, So people were getting
Speaker 17: sprains of their wrist. But also it goes even to
Speaker 17: something like kind of tendon itis, like almost like a
Speaker 17: form of tennis elbow.
Speaker 12: Because you're constantly, especially.
Speaker 17: If you're walking a dog, you know, for an hour
Speaker 17: or half an hour every day, that can actually build
Speaker 17: up a lot of strain on muscles and tens that
Speaker 17: perhaps otherwise aren't used in that fashion. But then another
Speaker 17: risk was actually also fractures. You know, if you think
Speaker 17: you're kind of walking along and maybe you've got the
Speaker 17: lead looped around your wrist, and then suddenly your dog
Speaker 17: kind of jerks off in an unexpected direction. That can
Speaker 17: actually be enough force to cause a fracture of I mean,
Speaker 17: there's lots of delicate bones in our hands and wrists,
Speaker 17: and I mean what was interesting with this was that
Speaker 17: when they were looking at the injuries, about three quarters
Speaker 17: of them were in women.
Speaker 12: Maybe that's because women might be more likely.
Speaker 17: To walk the dog, who knows, But particularly in older women,
Speaker 17: this was a problem.
Speaker 12: And that's a little bit of a clue to what
Speaker 12: might be going on here for some of these injuries.
Speaker 17: Because older women, particularly if the postmenopausal, they might have
Speaker 17: lower bone density.
Speaker 12: Their bones are a little.
Speaker 17: Bit more kind of fragile and brittle, maybe they've got osteoporosis,
Speaker 17: and it makes them much more vulnerable to breaking a
Speaker 17: bone from something, you know, like a you know, the
Speaker 17: lead being kind of jerked off to one side might
Speaker 17: be fine if you're a healthy eighteen year old, but
Speaker 17: when you're sixty, that can actually be quite.
Speaker 12: A serious break.
Speaker 17: And I mean the other thing as well is also
Speaker 17: sometimes people get pulled over by their dog if the
Speaker 17: dog's a particular spotted a cat or something, and people
Speaker 17: were tripping over the leash sometimes, you know, if a
Speaker 17: dog kind of runs around you, or if you're walking
Speaker 17: two dogs at the same time and trip over the
Speaker 17: dog sometimes.
Speaker 12: So there were all sorts.
Speaker 17: Of injuries, but predominantly they're really about sort of hands
Speaker 17: and wrists and finger injuries. So it's you know, it's
Speaker 17: one of those things to just be aware of that,
Speaker 17: particularly as you get older and you might be a
Speaker 17: little bit less steady on your feet as well. That
Speaker 17: walking the dog, you kind of got to take extra
Speaker 17: care just to look at how you're holding the lead
Speaker 17: and also how well you trained your dog.
Speaker 2: Is fantastic. I'm going to take some calls on this.
Speaker 2: One three one seven three. Tell me about how you
Speaker 2: injured yourself walking your dog. This is brilliant in the
Speaker 2: history of radio topics. Tell me about your dog walking injury.
Speaker 2: One three, one eight seven three. On that, let's talk
Speaker 2: about killer whales off the coast of North America. Spotted
Speaker 2: making tools, what hammers, chisels, that kind of them.
Speaker 17: Yeah, we always think of tools as being Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 17: like tool use is not uncommon amongst animals. I mean,
Speaker 17: there's so much evidence of crows using them. And obviously
Speaker 17: we know a lot about chimpanzees using tools, but this
Speaker 17: is one of the first times that tool use has
Speaker 17: actually been reported in marine mammals. And what I love
Speaker 17: about this is because they were using it for grooming.
Speaker 17: So it was this group of killer whales living kind
Speaker 17: of the Pacific, just off British Columbia and Washington, and
Speaker 17: they found they spotted them picking or kind of breaking
Speaker 17: the ends off bull kelp, so there's really big, long,
Speaker 17: thick strands of bull kelp, and then they would press
Speaker 17: these pieces of kelp against a partner, you know, a
Speaker 17: partner another whale and then basically roll along, so roll
Speaker 17: the kelp between their bodies, back and forward for long
Speaker 17: periods of time. And they were trying to understand why
Speaker 17: they were doing this, and so they were kind of
Speaker 17: looking for what might explain it. The first thing they
Speaker 17: saw was that the whales were more likely to groom
Speaker 17: other whales that were closely related or of a similar age.
Speaker 17: So that suggests there's a social dimension to this. This
Speaker 17: is you know that there's I guess a social purpose
Speaker 17: to it. But then the other interesting thing was they
Speaker 17: found that it seemed to be more common with whales
Speaker 17: that had more kind of molting skin or dead skin
Speaker 17: on their backs and on their sides. So that points
Speaker 17: to there being an actual function of this. It's not
Speaker 17: just kind of, you know, giving someone a little bit
Speaker 17: of a backscratch because it feels good. This is actually
Speaker 17: there's a kind of a beauty. They're basically giving each
Speaker 17: other a seaweed wrap, you know, taking rid of that,
Speaker 17: getting rid of that dead.
Speaker 12: Skin, having a good scratch, making friends. But it's the
Speaker 12: first time it's been seeing you in marine mammals.
Speaker 2: That's so interesting. Thank you so much. I feel so
Speaker 2: much smarter. I especially want to get back to you
Speaker 2: next week with the results of dog walking injuries. Can
Speaker 2: you join us again next week?
Speaker 12: Indeed?
Speaker 2: Okay, so give me a ring right now. One three
Speaker 2: one eight seven three. Great to talk to you, Bianco,
Speaker 2: no grady sitting in for doctor Carl. Have you ever
Speaker 2: injured yourself walking your dog? One three one eight seven
Speaker 2: three and text me some questions for next week as well.
Speaker 2: Zero four six zero eight seven three eight seven three.
Speaker 2: It's funny because when Bianca was saying that, both Chris
Speaker 2: who's in the other studio on the wheels of Steel,
Speaker 2: and Dale, who's in the of course the front studio here.
Speaker 2: Both said they know somebody who've injured their fingers, both
Speaker 2: female walking their dog. Both of the occasions sounded really nasty,
Speaker 2: so it seems to be a pretty common thing. What
Speaker 2: about you, Have you ever injured yourself walking your dog?
Speaker 2: One three one eight seven three is my number? Have
Speaker 2: you ever injured yourself walking your dog? I think that
Speaker 2: might be the greatest question I've ever asked on the radio.
Speaker 2: One three one eight seven three is the phone number.
Speaker 2: And also we'll get to some of your texts for
Speaker 2: the questions for Bianca next week. But in the meantime,
Speaker 2: let's get your two o'clock news update.
Speaker 1: Two GB, four BC and network stations. This is our
Speaker 1: Australia Overnight with Phil O'Neill.
Speaker 2: I can't believe that we're so close to July already.
Speaker 2: You know, we're going to blink and then Christmas will
Speaker 2: be here. If you notice that as you get older,
Speaker 2: the years seem to get shorter, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: it's always Christmas. It just seems so many times. I
Speaker 2: remember when I was a kid, you used to just
Speaker 2: wait for Christmas all year round, and it felt like
Speaker 2: it took forever. Now it just seems like you blink
Speaker 2: an eye and then Christmas is here again. And I
Speaker 2: always think about the period of Christmas because it's always
Speaker 2: a time where it's just madness, that week of madness
Speaker 2: between Christmas and New Year's Eve, where you know, if
Speaker 2: you need a plumber, you're in no man's land. Got oh,
Speaker 2: I forgot to do it, sorry, Margaret twelve to at
Speaker 2: the moment in Brisbane, but it feels like nine degrees,
Speaker 2: and the forecast in Sydney at the moment it is
Speaker 2: eight degrees, but it feels like one. So that's pretty
Speaker 2: cool everywhere as you can imagine. Hey, Chris, how are
Speaker 2: you this morning? Mate? We went to go to you, Chris.
Speaker 2: Who will you know is our regular Chris? Chris's phones off?
Speaker 2: Are you okay? Mate? Chris? Turn your phone back on, buddy,
Speaker 2: because you know we do want to talk to you.
Speaker 2: I've got a few texts that came through, a few
Speaker 2: questions too, for Bianca who was sitting in for doctor
Speaker 2: carm this week. Bianca O'Grady, the freelance science journalist and author,
Speaker 2: and she'll be back next week as well. That's fantastic
Speaker 2: all those stories about people that have injured themselves. Mean,
Speaker 2: it's not fantastic, but it's incredible, isn't it. I think
Speaker 2: that people have injured themselves by walking their dog, and
Speaker 2: that seems to be a thing too. Have you ever
Speaker 2: injured yourself by walking your dog? One three one eight
Speaker 2: seven three or on the text zero four six zero
Speaker 2: eight seven three eight seven three two it's the Thursday
Speaker 2: Morning Live Lounge. Who have we got playing this morning? Well,
Speaker 2: I'll give you a clue. It is somebody that has
Speaker 2: sung a song that's not his song. Funnily enough, as
Speaker 2: a solo artist, that's made that his biggest hit single.
Speaker 2: So who is he and what's the song going to be?
Speaker 2: I think I've given away enough clues, but we'll get
Speaker 2: that in the moment. And it's going to be the
Speaker 2: first live Thursday Morning Live Lounge that features a piano
Speaker 2: or at least a keyboard. So that's coming up for
Speaker 2: you very soon. Nine minutes past two, let me get
Speaker 2: a couple of these texts and emails. Jason just said
Speaker 2: to me a JJ rather filled with the Piagoratha's the theorem. See,
Speaker 2: I can't even say it, and yet you know it.
Speaker 2: He said, what a beautiful thing. I used it to
Speaker 2: build right angles in my ex's kitchen. You're so clever JJ.
Speaker 14: Me.
Speaker 2: On the other hand, I used to do carpentry at
Speaker 2: school and I was rubbish. I was rubbish at everything
Speaker 2: at school. That's why I ended up working at two
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning. But we used to do carpentry.
Speaker 2: And when it first started, this was about I think
Speaker 2: proper year nine. I think we had to start off
Speaker 2: in our carpentry class by making a sort of a
Speaker 2: coffee coaster. So I wanted to make a coffee coaster
Speaker 2: for my mum. And by the time it actually got
Speaker 2: this coffee coaster made was the end of term and
Speaker 2: the rest of the kids in the class had moved
Speaker 2: on to making cabinets for their mom and their parents,
Speaker 2: you know, like cabinets with doors that slide and you
Speaker 2: know bits of panes of glass, you know, using huge
Speaker 2: things that were you know, six seven foot tall. And
Speaker 2: I was still working on this coaster, coffee coaster for
Speaker 2: my mum, which.
Speaker 10: Was just.
Speaker 2: It was just embarrassing. I mean, she was grateful for it.
Speaker 2: I mean she you know, she put on the smile, said, oh,
Speaker 2: thank you, Philip. That's so well done, and I knew
Speaker 2: she was disappointed in me. But anyway, Jason says, there's
Speaker 2: no need for playing time as a measure of time.
Speaker 2: It will always be tomorrow will be. That's quite clever. Also, hey,
Speaker 2: this is from David. Hey David, can you confirm that
Speaker 2: Jason will be on Overnight on four BC this weekend? Yes,
Speaker 2: he will. Our good friend Jason Morrison who's getting his
Speaker 2: eye in, getting some practice in. I run into him
Speaker 2: in the corridor on the way in and he said, man,
Speaker 2: I'm going to do some shows on two GB four
Speaker 2: PC and I said great, and he said, I'm going
Speaker 2: to be doing the overnights this weekend. And I said
Speaker 2: to him, are you insane? Are you crazy? Why would
Speaker 2: you do that to yourself and to your body? And
Speaker 2: he said, because he wants to get back into the
Speaker 2: practice of speaking to you the listeners. And he's great.
Speaker 2: I mean, he really is how a proper talkback person
Speaker 2: should sound. I should probably take more attention to it
Speaker 2: so you'll be able to hear him this weekend and
Speaker 2: that'd be absolutely brilliant. Pete at Lithgow says I support
Speaker 2: Tony Abbott for the PM campaign with Jacenter as his deputy.
Speaker 2: A couple of questions that are coming through for next
Speaker 2: week for asked doctor Carl with Bianca sitting in, and
Speaker 2: these are always so clever. This one's from Michael, is
Speaker 2: it true that the tide never rises or falls? I'm
Speaker 2: going to put that into the running for it and
Speaker 2: have a listen to these genius questions. I don't know
Speaker 2: how how you came up with this, Steve, but this
Speaker 2: is brilliant. How do birds navigate the skies while migrating? Amazing?
Speaker 2: This one's from Alex who said, is it true there's
Speaker 2: a trillion dollars worth of platinum on the moon? Brilliant?
Speaker 2: And this one from Julie is it true that bats
Speaker 2: don't get cancer? And could that be a big deal
Speaker 2: for humans? Again? Just genius, so clever. Keep your text
Speaker 2: coming through with your questions for next week. Zero four
Speaker 2: six zero eight seven three eight seven three on the
Speaker 2: phone one three one eight seven three. So the live
Speaker 2: lounge coming up at a moment, a really nice, really
Speaker 2: great acoustic of a song that you know really really well.
Speaker 2: And Leith van Onslin in a moment too. We were
Speaker 2: trying to get hold of you, Chris, and then you
Speaker 2: were there and then we couldn't get a hold of you,
Speaker 2: and we rang you back and then your phone wasn't on.
Speaker 2: Were you ringing somebody else?
Speaker 6: No? No, no, I don't know what I'm happened. I
Speaker 6: was waiting for the call. I got some silly miss
Speaker 6: after you're talking about Chris, I'm saying you're talking about
Speaker 6: ling or some other Chris. Look, got my phone. I
Speaker 6: missed the call. Don't ask me why. I'll look at
Speaker 6: it again tomorrow and see what it was. No reason
Speaker 6: on my There was no nothing that I've done. I
Speaker 6: don't know what that's.
Speaker 2: All right, don't worry. It's cool.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 6: What it is is technology is good and it works,
Speaker 6: but it can also be very very bad when it doesn't.
Speaker 2: If we didn't have the phone, Chris, we wouldn't know
Speaker 2: what was going on in the world, and you wouldn't
Speaker 2: be able to tell us. So thank goodness we've got
Speaker 2: that device.
Speaker 6: Well, I'll tell you what, I wouldn't mind even if
Speaker 6: I had the old diotype and run you on that.
Speaker 6: To put it together that way, I really don't care
Speaker 6: about about Modern technology can go a bit too far,
Speaker 6: and I think that Look, I'm not against technology, but
Speaker 6: in some aspect. It's not going to control my life.
Speaker 6: There's a lot you can do on it, which is good.
Speaker 6: But when it goes down, if they'll lead you in
Speaker 6: all sports of trouble.
Speaker 2: Let me say this, Chris, nobody is going to control
Speaker 2: your life. My friend. What's on your mind this morning.
Speaker 6: It's just regarding Jason. Good to hear he is still
Speaker 6: up and doing good, and I just wanted to give
Speaker 6: him some encouragement.
Speaker 16: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I can't speak from experience. It's just my general thoughts
Speaker 6: are he's going to have his good days and he's
Speaker 6: going to have his bad days as long as he
Speaker 6: stays butstant his goal to get better, to get over this.
Speaker 6: Then at the end of his day, well it will
Speaker 6: come back.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well he's only doing two shows over the
Speaker 2: weekend and yeah, I mean he's a professional broadcaster, so
Speaker 2: but he wants to have, you know, some chats, So
Speaker 2: make sure you bring him up to wrong Jason.
Speaker 6: I'm talking about the Jason.
Speaker 2: Oh, Jason, I'm sorry, mate, Jason, who's in hospital. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're right, good days, bad days.
Speaker 6: I'll tell you what what he said about Tony Abbott, Yes,
Speaker 6: what he said about Julia Gillo ditch the bitch, I
Speaker 6: mean she used that. I'm just wondering whether that has
Speaker 6: grown in the context context.
Speaker 2: Of yeah it was. It was by the way, I
Speaker 2: hate to interrupt, it was ditch the witch. That was
Speaker 2: the sign that was being held up behind her, and
Speaker 2: that was that was.
Speaker 6: But look, for me, I'm just wondering whether that's growing
Speaker 6: the gender divide. They're just looking for anything to grow it,
Speaker 6: and I just want us to get back to who
Speaker 6: were intended to be. If we're males were males, if
Speaker 6: we're females were females. I've got no I don't have
Speaker 6: any appetite for these gender gender movements. And what did
Speaker 6: I have here but have something about elbow? Oh yeah,
Speaker 6: Look Tony Abbott, I thought would have made I would
Speaker 6: have liked to see a bit more of him. I
Speaker 6: didn't like what Malcolm Turnbull did to him. He didn't
Speaker 6: like when he got bitched. I can't imagine Malcolm Turble
Speaker 6: winning that election. As a matter of fact, I think
Speaker 6: Malcolm Turble somehow I made a mistake and joined the
Speaker 6: wrong party. He shouldn't join the Labor or better still,
Speaker 6: the Green And to me, Tony Abbott would not have
Speaker 6: been as bad. I can't see anybody being as as
Speaker 6: as what we've got now with Elbow. I think he's
Speaker 6: pushing his socialistic gender too far. And I just think
Speaker 6: that I just want to get politicians to come to
Speaker 6: their sense and do what they both do represent us,
Speaker 6: so they should still have a good skill for what
Speaker 6: the issues, what most people want, and start delivering. Don't
Speaker 6: run this country anymore into the ground.
Speaker 2: Okay, your phone's still working.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm still all right.
Speaker 2: Well I wasn't sure if you finished.
Speaker 4: Mate.
Speaker 2: Well that's good, Thank you so much, and listen, it's glad.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that you can bring me tomorrow. I don't
Speaker 2: forget Jason's on the weekend. There you go. That was
Speaker 2: Chris who It's good to see Chris had actually written
Speaker 2: down what he wanted to say as well. I'm going
Speaker 2: to talk to Leith van Onslin in just a moment
Speaker 2: about obviously the Treasury of common sense. Let's just bring
Speaker 2: ourselves up to date with Donald Trump, who was at NATO.
Speaker 2: I thought it was really interesting that while he was
Speaker 2: doing here his talk at NATO, that CNN were the
Speaker 2: only was the only one of the three channels that
Speaker 2: I have in here monitoring the world overnight that was
Speaker 2: actually taking the speech on the press conference. CNN were
Speaker 2: taking it, but Fox News wasn't, surprisingly and also neither
Speaker 2: was Sky News UK. So yeah, again I thought that
Speaker 2: was rather interesting. But anyway, here were a couple of
Speaker 2: things that Donald Trump was talking about at NATO. In
Speaker 2: this particular case, he says that he doesn't think it's
Speaker 2: necessary to restart the negotiations with Iran.
Speaker 1: Who are you interested in restarting negotiations with Iran?
Speaker 10: And if so, have they re so our.
Speaker 3: People, Marco card answers, But our people are.
Speaker 17: Not.
Speaker 3: I'm not the way I look at it. They fought,
Speaker 3: the war's done, and you know, I could get a
Speaker 3: statement that they're not going to go nuclear. We're probably
Speaker 3: going to ask for that, but they're not going to
Speaker 3: be doing it.
Speaker 12: But they're not going to be doing it anyway. They've
Speaker 12: had it.
Speaker 5: They've had it.
Speaker 12: Now maybe someday in the future will want that.
Speaker 3: But I've asked Marco, do you want to draw I
Speaker 3: just asked him the question as we were walking on
Speaker 3: the stage. You want to draw up a little agreement
Speaker 3: for them to sign, because I think we can get
Speaker 3: them to sign it. I don't think it's necessary.
Speaker 2: So there, obviously Marca would be Marco Rubio there. And
Speaker 2: this bit here is that Donald Trump NATO hasn't ended
Speaker 2: the Ukraine Russia War.
Speaker 18: It once said that you would end the Ukraine War
Speaker 18: in twenty four hours. You later said you said that sarcastically.
Speaker 5: Of course it was sarcastic.
Speaker 18: But you've now been in office for five months and
Speaker 18: five days. Why have you not been able to end
Speaker 18: the Ukraine War?
Speaker 3: Because it's more difficult than people would have any idea.
Speaker 3: Vladimir Putin has been more difficult. Frankly, I had some
Speaker 3: problems with Zelinsky.
Speaker 5: You may have read about them.
Speaker 4: And it's been more.
Speaker 5: Difficult than other wars.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, we just ended a war in twelve
Speaker 3: days that was simmering for thirty years.
Speaker 2: Frankly, there you got Donald Trump talking at NATO there.
Speaker 2: I didn't look up a Fox News a moment ago,
Speaker 2: and they did have a story about sleeper cells, Iranian
Speaker 2: sleeper cells that they're keeping an eye out for. But
Speaker 2: further to that too, I did see a story that
Speaker 2: was in the Wall Street Journal about how US officials
Speaker 2: and private experts are warning that Evran may retaliate with
Speaker 2: something along the lines of cyber attacks, and apparently they
Speaker 2: have a wide range of cyber attacks. I don't know
Speaker 2: how true this is, there could be some suspected Iranian
Speaker 2: cyber attacks against the US. So I thought i'd catch
Speaker 2: up with Skeeve Stevens, the futurist, who we've spoken to before,
Speaker 2: about the Iranian cyber capability and whether or not it's
Speaker 2: any good. I mean, we're led to believe it's active,
Speaker 2: but whether or not it's weak, say compared to that
Speaker 2: of the US and Israel and other countries too. So
Speaker 2: that's going to be a little bit later on. If
Speaker 2: you're still with us at five point fifteen, they've got
Speaker 2: a long way to go yet, though it's only yeah,
Speaker 2: twenty minutes past two. We're going to go to the
Speaker 2: Thursday Morning Live Lounge in a moment. I've got a
Speaker 2: really great song that we're going to hear this morning acoustically,
Speaker 2: albeit played on the piano, well the keyboard, in fact,
Speaker 2: not the piano, but the keyboard. You will be able
Speaker 2: to hump a piano in here. So that's coming up
Speaker 2: a little bit later on this hour, but next up
Speaker 2: being this time of the Wednesday morning. We always catch
Speaker 2: up with this Thursday, isn't it, Craigy Thursday already gets
Speaker 2: away from you. So this time on a Thursday morning,
Speaker 2: we always catch up with our good friend leithman Onsolin
Speaker 2: with the Treasury of Common Sense, and we'll get to
Speaker 2: that next to twenty twenty three minutes past two. I
Speaker 2: just got a text from Michael who wanted to know
Speaker 2: how to watch the cricket, and that was Viv who
Speaker 2: sent him that response, and Michael is very grateful Viv.
Speaker 2: He said, I didn't know I could watch the Australia
Speaker 2: the West Indies cricket on ESPN. So he's got that
Speaker 2: on his Foxtel channel and he's now I presume watching
Speaker 2: that and listening to us. And if you are listening
Speaker 2: to us, Michael, anytime you feel like giving me a
Speaker 2: quick score update, I shall pass it on to the
Speaker 2: people as well. As I said. The Thursday Morning Live
Speaker 2: Lounge one of our favorite morning segments on a Thursday
Speaker 2: because we get to hear a little bit of music
Speaker 2: and songs played a acoustically. When you strip them back
Speaker 2: and you hear them acoustically, you get a completely different
Speaker 2: perspective and a feel for this song. You know this
Speaker 2: song and you love this song too, but you're going
Speaker 2: to be hearing it done a little differently and the
Speaker 2: story behind it from the man that sang it. That's
Speaker 2: on the way. But now it's our good friend, Leith
Speaker 2: van Onsolin.
Speaker 1: Morning, Leith, now on overnights.
Speaker 9: I have believe in reason and common sense.
Speaker 1: Leaf van Onsolin from Macro business with a treasury of
Speaker 1: common sense.
Speaker 2: How are you, Leith? I'm okay. I've noticed that the
Speaker 2: New South Wales and Queensland governments have released their state budgets.
Speaker 2: Any good, Yeah, Look.
Speaker 19: The areas which are most interesting from the state budgets
Speaker 19: actually relate to housing policy. So both New South Wales
Speaker 19: and Queensland mounts some pretty significant housing policy announcements and
Speaker 19: to me it basically highlighted how both states are fighting
Speaker 19: a losing war on housing. So we look at New
Speaker 19: South Wales first. So the most significant news the initiative
Speaker 19: in New South Wales budget on Tuesday was the government's
Speaker 19: pledged to guarantee up to one billion dollars in new
Speaker 19: housing developments. So effectually we have this situation not just
Speaker 19: in New South Wales but around Australia where if I properly.
Speaker 19: Developers often face troubles getting financed for new projects because
Speaker 19: they lack adequate presales. So often if a developer goes
Speaker 19: to a bank and they need and they want to get,
Speaker 19: you know, a large summer money for a development, they'll say, okay,
Speaker 19: how many pre sales do you have and they'll often say, well,
Speaker 19: we don't have an art or whatever, and they'll they'll
Speaker 19: get rejected finance. So that means that the development doesn't
Speaker 19: go ahead and we obviously don't get that supply. So
Speaker 19: if the New South Wales government has promised to do
Speaker 19: is to purchase any unsolved stock in a housing development
Speaker 19: up to fifty million dollars per development, so effectively they
Speaker 19: want to become the buyer of last resort. So that
Speaker 19: means that it should appease bank's concerns about the financial
Speaker 19: viability of projects, and it should encourage qualified developers to
Speaker 19: borrow more to build projects, which which should therefore increase supply.
Speaker 19: So the New South Wales Treasurer Daniel Lookie claimed that
Speaker 19: the policy would quote Britain forward the construction of up
Speaker 19: to fifteen thousand extra homes over the next five years.
Speaker 19: Now that's obviously a good thing. You know, fifteen thousand
Speaker 19: extra homes is great, but it's nowhere near enough. So
Speaker 19: the federal government's advisory Council on Housing, the National Houses
Speaker 19: Supply and Affordability Council, or at least a report last
Speaker 19: month and a forecast, suggested that New South Wales would
Speaker 19: only meet sixty five percent of its agreed housing target
Speaker 19: over the.
Speaker 10: Next five years.
Speaker 19: So what it basically said is that New South Wales
Speaker 19: would deliver one hundred and thirty thousand less homes than
Speaker 19: is required to meet this housing target. So in this
Speaker 19: regard the New South Wales government's Borough of Last Resort policy,
Speaker 19: which as Daniel Lookie said, aims to deliver fifteen thousand
Speaker 19: homes over five years, that's great. Federal government's own Advisory
Speaker 19: Counts on Supply says that New South Wales is facing
Speaker 19: one hundred and thirty thousand supply gaps, so obviously fifteen
Speaker 19: thousand there is a lot less than one hundred and
Speaker 19: thirty thousand. In fact, it's only twelve percent of one
Speaker 19: hundred and thirty thousand. So you know, this basically shows
Speaker 19: you that New South Wales New South Wales's housing market.
Speaker 19: Even if this policy did deliver what's promised, is still
Speaker 19: going to be massively undersupplied of housing, which just means
Speaker 19: the housing crisis is going to drag on. And there's
Speaker 19: also the risk that there's also the risk that New
Speaker 19: South Wales taxpayers could be left carrying the can for
Speaker 19: poor equality development. So presumably if a development can't sell
Speaker 19: and the taxpayers they step in and buy these apartments,
Speaker 19: you'd think that it's more likely they've been in developments
Speaker 19: that are poor quality. So for example, if it developer
Speaker 19: goes out and builds a whole bunch of you know,
Speaker 19: not very good town homes or apartments or whatever, and
Speaker 19: they struggle to sell them because they're not very good
Speaker 19: and people don't to buy them, taxpayer could be left
Speaker 19: picking up the picking up these apartments.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, so.
Speaker 19: There is obviously a risk of that. That's pretty much
Speaker 19: an outside risk. But when we dig down to it,
Speaker 19: so this National House is supplying Affordability Council forecast one
Speaker 19: hundred and thirty thousand dollars one hundred and thirty thousand
Speaker 19: deficit of homes, so not one hundred and thirty thousand
Speaker 19: fewer homes to be supplied that are required. This policy
Speaker 19: says we'll do another fifteen thousand, so that's obviously a
Speaker 19: lot less that. The key problem here, feel is that
Speaker 19: the fundamental reason why New South Wales has a housing
Speaker 19: shortage is because of excessive net overseas migration. So the
Speaker 19: population data came out last week from the Train Bureau Statistics,
Speaker 19: and what it showed is that New South Wales grew
Speaker 19: by one hundred and eight thousand people last calendar year
Speaker 19: so twenty twenty four. That was driven almost one hundred
Speaker 19: percent by net overseas migration of one hundred and seven thousand,
Speaker 19: So New South Wales lost about twenty eight thousand people
Speaker 19: to other states, which offset the net birth that's birth's
Speaker 19: minus deaths, So effectfully all of New South Wales's population
Speaker 19: growth last year came from people coming from overseas, and
Speaker 19: in fact, in the decade to December twenty twenty four,
Speaker 19: so for the last ten years, newth Wales's population has
Speaker 19: grown by nine hundred and eighty three thousand net overseas migration,
Speaker 19: so people are right from overseas is counter for eighty
Speaker 19: eight percent of that eight hundred and eighty two thousand,
Speaker 19: and also the remainder of that is natural increase, which
Speaker 19: is birth mine deaths, but migrants also have children. So
Speaker 19: if you bring it, bring a whole eight hundred and
Speaker 19: eighty two thousand migrants into New South Wales, well, some
Speaker 19: of those migrants are going to have children and then
Speaker 19: that gets counters is natural increase. So what this tells
Speaker 19: you is that all of New South Wales's population growth
Speaker 19: and therefore housing demand which is causing this housing crisis,
Speaker 19: is because of this very high level of net overseas migration.
Speaker 19: So if the New South plaus government really wants to
Speaker 19: solve this problem, you know that this poles is great,
Speaker 19: but what it really is needs to do is to
Speaker 19: tell the federal government to slow migration down and cut
Speaker 19: it to some a sensible and sustainable level that is
Speaker 19: compatible with New South Wales and it goes to the
Speaker 19: other states as well, Australia's capacity to build housing and infrastructure,
Speaker 19: because really, for the last twenty years the federal government
Speaker 19: has fire hosed huge amounts of neat overseas migration into
Speaker 19: the country. The state that gets the line's share of
Speaker 19: that net overseas migration is New South Wales, followed by
Speaker 19: Victorian Queensland. So therefore, if we've got this pervasive, chronic
Speaker 19: housing supply problem. The logical solution is to slow that
Speaker 19: net overseas migration down and then you actually solve the
Speaker 19: housing shortage. And that is really the number one solution here.
Speaker 19: Everything else is window dressing and that's really what Daniel
Speaker 19: Mookie and you know Chrispin should be doing. They should
Speaker 19: be staying to Camber. Look, we can't build enough houses
Speaker 19: quick enough to keep up with this supply, this massive
Speaker 19: that you keep bringing into our state through through neover
Speaker 19: Sin's migration. So you need to slow this down. And
Speaker 19: I think that is a real solution. Now, just turning
Speaker 19: to Queensland, So Queensland has taken a different road to
Speaker 19: their housing policy, but it's also equally important. I think
Speaker 19: it's actually lot worse. So just to put some number
Speaker 19: around this, Brisbane's median home price has surged by eighty
Speaker 19: five percent since March twenty twenty, so the cost of
Speaker 19: housing in Brisbane has absolutely rocketed since the pandemic. And
Speaker 19: according to prop Track, which is a house in Nels's firm,
Speaker 19: they estimate that that Brisbane's median home value was eight
Speaker 19: hundred and nine thousand in May, and that's actually the
Speaker 19: second highest in the nation now behind Sydney. So Brisbane
Speaker 19: used to be relatively affordable, is a lot less than
Speaker 19: Melbourne et cetera. Now Brisbane is the second most expensive
Speaker 19: housing market in the country and the Queensland State budget
Speaker 19: this week announced the most generous shared equite scheme in
Speaker 19: the nation. So what it basically said is that once
Speaker 19: to promise promise to help Queensland first home buyers, oh
Speaker 19: so should I say Queensland home buyers purchase homes valued
Speaker 19: it up to one million dollars. So under its policy,
Speaker 19: single households earning up to one hundred and fifty thousand
Speaker 19: and households are to adults e ard up to two
Speaker 19: hundred and twenty five thousand will be eligible for basically
Speaker 19: this shared equity scheme, whereby the Queensland State Government will
Speaker 19: invest either thirty percent of equity in the new bills
Speaker 19: of twenty five percent into existing houses up to one
Speaker 19: million dollars. And what this effectively means is that it'll
Speaker 19: allow it'll allow a whole bunch of people who couldn't
Speaker 19: previously afford to get in that housing in Queensland to
Speaker 19: now be able to purchase housing. And what will do
Speaker 19: is will bring a whole bunch of new buyers in
Speaker 19: the market. And like all first home buyers grants or
Speaker 19: any other of these sorts of policies that we've seen
Speaker 19: over the last twenty five five years, it's ultimately just
Speaker 19: going to push up home prices because you're going to
Speaker 19: have increasing demand, increasing number of buyers, people borrowing more
Speaker 19: than they would have otherwise, bidding on the same amount
Speaker 19: of stock, and what it's going to end up doing
Speaker 19: is just going to end up pushing our home prices.
Speaker 19: So what it means is that it's actually very self
Speaker 19: defeating from a housing affordability perspective, and it's just going
Speaker 19: to drive prices higher. It's going to and what that
Speaker 19: means is once you drive the prices higher, as we've
Speaker 19: seen in the last twenty five years, you end up
Speaker 19: just with a less affordable housing.
Speaker 13: Market in the end.
Speaker 19: And it's also about noting that this policy inquint this
Speaker 19: shared equity policy in Queensland comes alongside the Reserve Bank
Speaker 19: of Australia which has already comes to straits twice and
Speaker 19: it's and it's forecast to cut rates by another three
Speaker 19: times this year, which is going to add more demand
Speaker 19: the housing and push up house prices. Also, the federal
Speaker 19: government has announced the five percent depositive scheme for first
Speaker 19: home buyers, which comes into effect on the first of
Speaker 19: January twenty twenty six. So all these sorts of policies,
Speaker 19: low interest rates, shared equity schemes from the Queensland government,
Speaker 19: the Federal government's five percent to positive scheme, all it's
Speaker 19: going to end up doing is just going to add
Speaker 19: way more demand to the housing market. People are going
Speaker 19: to borrow more money, We're going to have a higher
Speaker 19: household debt, and it's going to end up just pushing
Speaker 19: our home process even further. And it's actually the last
Speaker 19: thing you want to do when you have and when
Speaker 19: you have a housing affordability problem is actually just increased demands,
Speaker 19: so you make home structurally more unaffordable. And we've really
Speaker 19: seen how this story ends throughout this century with first
Speaker 19: time biogrounds, shared equity schemes, all these sorts of schemes
Speaker 19: are seen in our last twenty five years have all
Speaker 19: just ended up pushing prices higher. They haven't made housing
Speaker 19: more affordable and in the end, which has ended up
Speaker 19: with higher home prices and more household debt. So Unfortunately,
Speaker 19: I think the Queensland's policy, the Queensland governments policy is
Speaker 19: self defeating from an affordability perspective. It's just going to
Speaker 19: make the situation even worse.
Speaker 2: Always good to torture, my friend. It is the Treasury
Speaker 2: of common sense. Thank you so much. Enjoy your holiday, Leith.
Speaker 19: Yeah, thanks film and I'll catch you in a couple
Speaker 19: of weeks.
Speaker 2: Indeed, the you get Leith van Nonsalin, who's having a
Speaker 2: well deserved holiday for a couple of weeks as well,
Speaker 2: giving it's the Treasury of common sense. And a couple
Speaker 2: of texts that came through Albe said absolutely correct. Government
Speaker 2: assistant assistance has always driven up housing prices, and this
Speaker 2: one from Chris phil Canada had housing supply issues and
Speaker 2: they solved it by limiting immigration. The problem is worse
Speaker 2: here with additional, bigger supply issues. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Zero four six zero eight seven three eight seven three
Speaker 2: on the text, and it's two thirty five twenty five
Speaker 2: to three in the old school language. Who's in the
Speaker 2: Thursday morning jazz club? Well, it's not really a jazz club.
Speaker 2: And on the subject to that, can I just quickly
Speaker 2: say I can't believe that the Foundry Jazz Club in
Speaker 2: Sydney is closing down, which is it's been around. It's
Speaker 2: in Ultimore, Gleeb Ultimore on Harris Street. It's been there forever. Well,
Speaker 2: when I say forever, at least I don't know, at
Speaker 2: least five years, which is pretty long for a venue
Speaker 2: these days. And I had a look there because I
Speaker 2: like to go to the Foundry like a bit of jazz,
Speaker 2: and I noticed it was closing down. And Chris next
Speaker 2: door in the studio on the wheels that Steel gave
Speaker 2: me another jazz place that I wasn't aware of. But
Speaker 2: in Sydney it's more and more venues closing down. And
Speaker 2: when you think of if you're a jazz fan, you
Speaker 2: used to be able to go to the Basement, and
Speaker 2: there were one or two other places as well. There
Speaker 2: was I think three to three was the other place,
Speaker 2: which was up near Redford, but they've both gone now.
Speaker 2: And now it seems that the Foundry six one six
Speaker 2: in Harris Street and Ultimore in Sydney that's going to
Speaker 2: close down too, So you know, it's such a shame.
Speaker 2: But anyway, the Thursday Morning Live Lounge, we'll get to
Speaker 2: that next twenty minutes to three. Hello Viv, thank you
Speaker 2: for the cricket score. Australia is now three for sixty five.
Speaker 2: Thank you Viv for sending that through. If Michael took
Speaker 2: your suggestion and he's watching the foxtail, but we'll keep
Speaker 2: you updated on that in the cricket scores as and
Speaker 2: when they come through from Viv. You're now the official
Speaker 2: cricket score person. I was talking about the lack of
Speaker 2: jazz bars in Sydney now and I mentioned a moment
Speaker 2: ago that the Foundry, which is in Harris Street in Sydney,
Speaker 2: that's closed and that's such a shame that's closing because
Speaker 2: it's such a great venue. But in Brisbane they've got
Speaker 2: loads Brisbane Jazz Club, the Do What Bar. I used
Speaker 2: to go to the Brisbane Jazz Club when I lived
Speaker 2: in Brisbane under the Bridge, Kangaroo Point. Great place. You've
Speaker 2: got the Do What bar, and you also you have
Speaker 2: in Brisbane the Brooklyn Standard. It looks like in Sydney.
Speaker 2: I think you know, Chris said to me Hubert's is
Speaker 2: one place that has a bit of jazz going on
Speaker 2: in Sydney. But I wasn't aware of that. So I
Speaker 2: have to go and have a look at that. Let's
Speaker 2: get ourselves into a smoky jazz environment here as we
Speaker 2: go into the Thursday morning live lounge and see who
Speaker 2: we have this morning. Well, he didn't come in live
Speaker 2: because even at you know, nineteen to three in the morning,
Speaker 2: if you're a musician, it's a bit of a big call.
Speaker 2: But he did pop in during the daytime for a
Speaker 2: pre recorded chat and said he was going to do
Speaker 2: the song, but you know, very very well. But he
Speaker 2: said he would do it not on the piano but
Speaker 2: on a keyboard. I said, that's good because we've got
Speaker 2: no room in here for a piano. But it sounded good.
Speaker 2: And his name is Daryl Breathwaite. I said, mate, good
Speaker 2: to see you, and you're looking very well.
Speaker 5: I'm very well, Thank you, Phil, nice to be here.
Speaker 2: Do you think they'll ever get a stage where you'll
Speaker 2: go that's it. I've sung all the songs that need
Speaker 2: to be sung, and I'm going to go fishing.
Speaker 5: Oh I doubt it. My band wouldn't let me.
Speaker 20: They're about a decade and a half younger than I am,
Speaker 20: and they go, Daryl, even if you're really.
Speaker 5: Really sick, we'll put sticks up your back. And just
Speaker 5: sit you on a chair.
Speaker 2: I was surprised that you're a Melbourne guy when always
Speaker 2: thought you were a Sidney person. But you and Surebert
Speaker 2: were in Sydney trying hard to break into Melbourne.
Speaker 20: Yeah, mainly because Melbourne was the place to break out
Speaker 20: of This is back in the early days when Ian
Speaker 20: Maldron was there as well.
Speaker 5: The whatever TV shows.
Speaker 20: Were originating out of Melbourne as well, and radio airplay
Speaker 20: was really important back then.
Speaker 5: Obviously still is now, but was more so then.
Speaker 20: And we made trip after trip down the Hume Highway
Speaker 20: and played every conceivable.
Speaker 5: Gig I think in Melbourne over and over and over again.
Speaker 20: And it took maybe three or four years before we
Speaker 20: made a dent into Melbourne.
Speaker 2: I guess go well, okay, I think the Angels did
Speaker 2: something very similar as well. They were up and down
Speaker 2: the highway. I think Iva Davies told me that too,
Speaker 2: that he was house back in the early day, flowers
Speaker 2: up and down the highway.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they all would have been.
Speaker 20: It's just late over the last couple of decades everyone flew.
Speaker 5: But back then you used to drive.
Speaker 2: And you'd have to go through the small towns too.
Speaker 5: There was and you'd play in the small towns as well.
Speaker 2: Do you know the thing I like about Sherbert A
Speaker 2: lot of people don't realize the complexity of the music
Speaker 2: that you played. Everybody remembers How's That? You know, it's
Speaker 2: a bit like being remembered for How's That? And the Horses,
Speaker 2: which is great. There was more to Daryl Braithwaite and
Speaker 2: more to Sherbet than just How's That? And I'd like
Speaker 2: to use it as an example. You've got the Gun.
Speaker 2: What a great song and you know, like a really
Speaker 2: a really mature song for that time too.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 20: Well, it was just trying to think who Clive Garth
Speaker 20: and myself I think had a hand in writing it,
Speaker 20: and it was really we thought when we had finished it,
Speaker 20: we thought, oh, that sounds sophisticated enough to break into
Speaker 20: Melbourne and lo and behold it didn't.
Speaker 5: We thought, oh, how cool are we this?
Speaker 20: You know, like the musicians are like it, the people
Speaker 20: that like sort of something that's a bit musical, But nah,
Speaker 20: it didn't work.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's crazy. You talk about the sophistication of that
Speaker 2: particular song, and also some are love and what you
Speaker 2: guys were doing outside of How's That? And there was
Speaker 2: quite a juxtaposition between the two Australian styles at that
Speaker 2: particular era with the Angels and the roast tattoos, and
Speaker 2: then you had people like you and Little River Band
Speaker 2: who were doing stuff that was a lot more complex.
Speaker 2: I thought, yeah.
Speaker 20: And also those bands that you mentioned, like the Angels,
Speaker 20: and then we get onto Chisel and all that and
Speaker 20: Midnight Oil. They came at the sort of the crossroads
Speaker 20: when I guess the transition period around about seventy eight
Speaker 20: seventy nine where it really did change. It was sort
Speaker 20: of like, I think our style of music then the
Speaker 20: Sherbet thing was dying out and there was more like
Speaker 20: a I guess, like a punk influence, you know, like
Speaker 20: with Johnny Rotten and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 5: It was really quite noticeable.
Speaker 2: Do you ever see any late night showings of Countdown
Speaker 2: and you go, oh no, here come to satin jackets,
Speaker 2: you know, the flower shrouds.
Speaker 20: I felt, no, never again, Oh no, no, no, I
Speaker 20: have seen them and it's quite endearing. You think, God,
Speaker 20: a mighty, how good did we look? Well, not really,
Speaker 20: and it was part and parcel for then. You know,
Speaker 20: it was quite amazing.
Speaker 2: I mean, you wouldn't do it now.
Speaker 5: No, no, you wouldn't.
Speaker 20: It was part of the whole development, I guess of
Speaker 20: pop music here in Australia at that time.
Speaker 2: What's the crowd favorite?
Speaker 5: That people loved the Horses is quite extraordinary.
Speaker 20: Every time I do it, it's still so enjoy to perform
Speaker 20: and also to see the people react, know the majority
Speaker 20: of them. It is weird though in some aspects, to have,
Speaker 20: I guess, be known just for one song, and I
Speaker 20: do actually mention that to them when we played to
Speaker 20: young people. I saw something the other day which was
Speaker 20: really strange on social media about somebody putting up there
Speaker 20: that if you played the Horses at eleven fifty eight
Speaker 20: or something just before midnight on New Year's Eve, then
Speaker 20: you would time it correctly so that on the stroke
Speaker 20: of midnight that you'd hit the chorus of the Horses
Speaker 20: and that could be.
Speaker 5: Your I don't know thing to take you into the
Speaker 5: New Year. And I thought, my god.
Speaker 2: I saw that, but I didn't realize I saw one
Speaker 2: of the ones they tried to sync up was in
Speaker 2: the air tonight and the drums to go with that.
Speaker 2: So fantastic.
Speaker 5: You've glad to be good.
Speaker 2: You've got your own wizard of oz moment going on here.
Speaker 20: Actually, yeah, yeah, unbeknownst to me, I have to ask
Speaker 20: my son about it.
Speaker 5: It's a lot younger.
Speaker 2: And what's the Ricky Lee Jones connection.
Speaker 20: Well, she wrote it, She had it as an album
Speaker 20: track way back in probably eighty six eighty seven, and
Speaker 20: I actually got to speak to her. We talked about
Speaker 20: the horses, and you know that she'd written it about
Speaker 20: her daughter, and I was trying to explain to her
Speaker 20: that it had been successful back in ninety one, that
Speaker 20: now it's probably still as successful, but in a different way,
Speaker 20: that it's been accepted by a lot of people for
Speaker 20: different reasons. And then we got into trying to analyze
Speaker 20: maybe what the reasons are about the song, and you
Speaker 20: could keep on going for a day, you know, trying
Speaker 20: to bring up.
Speaker 5: Reasons that there's not one specific thing.
Speaker 20: I don't think that you can say that would endear
Speaker 20: people to it.
Speaker 5: It's either the lyrics melody song itself.
Speaker 20: I remember actually contacting her publishers back then to find
Speaker 20: out well, obviously to get permission to record it, and
Speaker 20: to find out if she was going to release it
Speaker 20: as a single, which she never did. Also to find
Speaker 20: out what it was about. So it's had a really
Speaker 20: good life so far.
Speaker 2: Such a pleasure to talk to you. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: It was a real pa.
Speaker 5: Thank you Phil.
Speaker 2: Do you want to hear the song that he recorded
Speaker 2: for us? Well you will after this ten to three.
Speaker 2: Thank you for the score. In the cricket Michael Australia
Speaker 2: versus West Indies, Australia three four sixty five. After lunch
Speaker 2: and another text that came in from Will said, Phil,
Speaker 2: do you remember the Musicians Club in Chalmers Street, Surrey
Speaker 2: Hills long gone? You're absolutely right. Leon Burger played there
Speaker 2: air supply and when they had the three lead vocalists.
Speaker 2: I go back to those days and I remember Will
Speaker 2: going to the Trade Union Club in Surrey Hills, the
Speaker 2: Hope Town as well. All these venues are gone now.
Speaker 2: I mentioned that this great venue jazz venue in Sydney,
Speaker 2: the Foundry that's gone, that's closing down end of June.
Speaker 2: It's incredible when you look at the venues, the amount
Speaker 2: of venues that are up and running in Brisbane and
Speaker 2: also in Melbourne compared to Sydney, it's incredible. More and
Speaker 2: more venues, live venues closing in Sydney and for a
Speaker 2: city the size of Sydney. It just seems like they
Speaker 2: just don't want to have a night life.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like for a twenty four hour international city the
Speaker 2: size of Sydney, if you want to go and see
Speaker 2: some live music, well, bad luck anyway. Darrel Breithwait, we
Speaker 2: had a chat about the Horses, the Ricky Lee Jones song.
Speaker 2: He recorded a version of it just using the keyboard.
Speaker 2: Sounds absolutely fantastic. Here it is for you in the
Speaker 2: Thursday Morning Live Lounge. Wasn't that amazing? Horses Darrel Brothwait
Speaker 2: in the Thursday Morning Live Lounge. And next week in
Speaker 2: the Thursday Morning Live Lounge, I believe we're gonna have
Speaker 2: diesel popping in just a guitar. Nothing quite as elaborate
Speaker 2: as that. I just got a text from Michael in
Speaker 2: Brisbane saying my favorite Darrel Breathwait song is higher than Hope,
Speaker 2: which I think was a better hit than Horses. Appreciate
Speaker 2: your text on that. All right, let's get your news
Speaker 2: update for three o'clock. Terry Barnes is on the way,
Speaker 2: and also more of your overnight news coming up. Great voice.
Speaker 2: Daryl Brethwait still has hasn't a for the age of
Speaker 2: seventy six as well. His voice is really hung in well,
Speaker 2: and Will said, do you remember the ann and Dale Hotel?
Speaker 2: Phil sure do. Will was talking about some of the
Speaker 2: bands that he saw there, like the Go Betweens two
Speaker 2: and Adale Hotel was always a really terrific venue. You
Speaker 2: know again, I just go back to, you know, a
Speaker 2: city the size of Sydney with just more and more
Speaker 2: diminishing live venues. It's absolutely criminal and hard to believe that,
Speaker 2: you know, that's the state that we're in. Terry Barnes
Speaker 2: will join us in just a moment to talk about
Speaker 2: the state of this week in politics that's on the way,
Speaker 2: and also a little bit of music news for you too.
Speaker 2: Let's get to the news update.
Speaker 1: On two GB, four BC and network stations. This is
Speaker 1: our Struggler overnight with Phil O'Neill.
Speaker 2: Yes, it maybe the middle of the night, but we're
Speaker 2: here for you ahead of of course, Ben ben Fordham
Speaker 2: this morning. That's a way away, a long way to
Speaker 2: go before we get there. Peter Figan on four BC
Speaker 2: as well. Twelve degrees in Brisbane at the moment it
Speaker 2: feels like nine degrees and in Sydney it's eight, but
Speaker 2: it feels like one. Wow, that's the coldest feels like
Speaker 2: that we've had so far, and I haven't been out
Speaker 2: for a while. Didn't feel that cold when I came
Speaker 2: in this morning, however, there was a lot of wind around,
Speaker 2: so I took my wife's mini car rather than jumping
Speaker 2: on the bike, rather than being pushed over. Chris was
Speaker 2: telling me from the studio next door. On the wheels
Speaker 2: of steel he took the motorbike out to yesterday nearly
Speaker 2: got blown over. So if you're on the bike, take
Speaker 2: it easy. Albie just said, all governments have given out
Speaker 2: incentives to buy housing. Prices always increase when they do. Ever,
Speaker 2: wonder how many pollys or how so many pollies get rich.
Speaker 2: Welcome to capitalism any under any other industry would be
Speaker 2: called inside training.
Speaker 10: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I'll live for your text. He all right, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of politicians who are very, very rich. I wonder
Speaker 2: which profession would actually give you the most amount of cash,
Speaker 2: certainly not this one. Oh, by the way, I don't
Speaker 2: forget I mentioned this before. Our good mate Jason Morrison
Speaker 2: will be doing the overnight show over the weekend. If
Speaker 2: he gets his ee in to come back and do
Speaker 2: some more stuff on the radio too, so you'll be
Speaker 2: able to hear this coming weekend. And this from David
Speaker 2: just said, Darryl Braithwait sounded incredible. He's going to be
Speaker 2: seventy five. He's seventy six, and you're right. The way
Speaker 2: he hits those notes are really really good. And he
Speaker 2: said my favorites a rise in one summer and looking
Speaker 2: forward to Dezil next week. The girls loved his John
Speaker 2: Travolta's style and look, and he had lots of bangers.
Speaker 2: You're right, David, and he's going to give us one
Speaker 2: next week. And Michael said, when are you going to
Speaker 2: have a chat with the Brewster brothers tomorrow? I think
Speaker 2: Michael for our segment behind the Song, which is around
Speaker 2: about this time in the morning tomorrow morning, hopefully catching
Speaker 2: up with John Brewster to hear the story behind the
Speaker 2: Angel song. Am I ever going to see your face again?
Speaker 2: Hang around with us. We've still got a long way
Speaker 2: to go till we get to five point thirty for
Speaker 2: the big Breakfast wake up, including Terry Barnes in just
Speaker 2: a moment. I've got a bit of music news on
Speaker 2: the way for you as well. And also we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about pandemics, and we caught up with Terry
Speaker 2: Slevin about this. It's interesting because there are now more
Speaker 2: talk about on this, some more talk about more pandemics
Speaker 2: coming out of Chi. I'll give you that news report
Speaker 2: a little bit later. And our good friend Luke Boner
Speaker 2: is back from his holiday where he's daughter, of course,
Speaker 2: got married. We talked about that last week. Luke Boner
Speaker 2: joins us with the Boner Report this morning from four
Speaker 2: point thirty and Skeeve Stevens as well, talking about whether
Speaker 2: or not Iran has any kind of cyber capability. The
Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal did a report saying, you know, we
Speaker 2: should be aware of perhaps possible cyber attacks that may
Speaker 2: come from Iran, but you know, how serious is that?
Speaker 14: What?
Speaker 2: We'll talk to Skeeve a little bit later. And also
Speaker 2: somebody else said on the text of course the Polly's
Speaker 2: are rich and spend their own money. Well, they can
Speaker 2: give themselves a pay rise. Imagine being in a position
Speaker 2: like that where you can just give yourself a three
Speaker 2: point five percent pay rise because you can got a
Speaker 2: couple of really interesting bits of news that I found
Speaker 2: while I was looking for things today or yesterday as
Speaker 2: it turns out now I didn't get out of my
Speaker 2: pajamas until much later on. So much wind around it
Speaker 2: was ridiculous. Hay fever was playing up, and I thought, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not going outside. I'm just going to spend the
Speaker 2: afternoon on the Internet in my pajamas, organizing guests for
Speaker 2: the show for you, and I came across some really
Speaker 2: interesting stories that I want to share with you. For example,
Speaker 2: China have just unveiled a mosquito sized drone, and we're
Speaker 2: all talking about drones now, especially since you know, the
Speaker 2: Israel Iran thing kicked off, and now we're aware of
Speaker 2: the kind of capabilities that drones have, and also Ukraine
Speaker 2: before that in Russia too. But now China have got
Speaker 2: these insect inspired they call them microdrones. So they've got
Speaker 2: the robob, They've got the robo Black Hornet, and these
Speaker 2: are for civilian and military uses. And this one is
Speaker 2: barely the size of a human fingernail. It's made to
Speaker 2: resemble mosquito. It's got two yellow leaf like wings, a
Speaker 2: black vertical body, three hair thin legs, and it's a
Speaker 2: drone that's capable of a whole range of things, you know,
Speaker 2: military and civilian. It's not that good. I don't think
Speaker 2: to carry weapons or mind you, if you wanted to
Speaker 2: take somebody out right, if you could do that with
Speaker 2: the capability, somebody go oh, just got bitten by a mosquito.
Speaker 2: Next thing you know, bang, they've fallen on the floor. Well,
Speaker 2: I don't think it's being used for that, but in
Speaker 2: true mission impossible style, it's going to be used for
Speaker 2: information gathering. I think I've seen some films in the
Speaker 2: past where something like this happened. I can't remember the film,
Speaker 2: but they had a fly with a camera on it
Speaker 2: and it was flying around in and out of buildings,
Speaker 2: and I thought, well, that's, you know, pretty high tech
Speaker 2: science fiction. Not anymore. China's going to do it, and
Speaker 2: they're going to use them for various intelligence and surveillance
Speaker 2: and reconnaissance tasks as well. And they're really quiet. They're
Speaker 2: almost invisible to the human eye, so you wouldn't even
Speaker 2: know it was there. It can bypass detection entering secure
Speaker 2: and restricted locations. So that is your mosquito size drone.
Speaker 2: But as I said, not just available for the military,
Speaker 2: but for villian uses too. Could you imagine the fun
Speaker 2: you can have around the office especially, I've had a
Speaker 2: little microphone on it. You know, there was a meeting
Speaker 2: going on about you that you knew of. You just
Speaker 2: fly your mosquito size drone in there immediately You're armed
Speaker 2: with information. When they come out, you could go, what
Speaker 2: do you mean you're gonna sack me. Here's another thing
Speaker 2: I found really interesting. You know how they did this
Speaker 2: amazing marathon bombing run, this US bombing mission that targeted
Speaker 2: the three nuclear facilities Iran over the weekend. I was
Speaker 2: reading about the massive undertaking. It was required for the
Speaker 2: B two bomber pilots to pretty much test the limits
Speaker 2: of human endurance during the thirty seven hour session. Because
Speaker 2: they had seven stealth bombers carrying two crew members. They
Speaker 2: flew NonStop halfway around the world. You think about that, right,
Speaker 2: thirty seven hour mission flew halfway across the world and
Speaker 2: then back in one of the longest air raids in
Speaker 2: modern military history. It's been described as an incredible feat.
Speaker 2: They had more than one hundred and twenty five aircraft
Speaker 2: used in the attack, and apart from the seven bombers
Speaker 2: that flew east from the Missouri Whiteman Air Force Base
Speaker 2: to strike Iran, they also have these B two bombers
Speaker 2: flying west. The thing about the B two bomber is that,
Speaker 2: I'm let's believe, you can only have two people in there,
Speaker 2: and it's really small. It's a pressurized cockpit and that
Speaker 2: can dehydrate you, so they had to drink water. But
Speaker 2: also they could only have a cat nap pretty much
Speaker 2: where they were because you know, you've seen the size
Speaker 2: of these B twos. The cockpit itself is tiny. So
Speaker 2: what they had to do was they had cat naps,
Speaker 2: and they had piddle packs, so that's if they wanted
Speaker 2: to have a Wii. It was a little zip lock
Speaker 2: type bag that was filled with kitty litter. Isn't that genius?
Speaker 2: If you've ever had a bad back and you've had
Speaker 2: to Wii into a plastic bag like I've had to do,
Speaker 2: or you've had to Wii into a bottle because you
Speaker 2: can't get out of bed, fill it up with cat litter. Genius. See,
Speaker 2: only the military could come up with something that brilliant.
Speaker 2: But yeah, apparently it was a real feat of a
Speaker 2: military precision and also human endurance to fly there and
Speaker 2: back in something basically the size of a little cubicle.
Speaker 2: You know, if you're at work, you'd be sitting in
Speaker 2: And one more thing that I found was absolutely fascinating.
Speaker 2: Do you know that your breathing pattern is as unique
Speaker 2: as a fingerprint? This takes it to a whole new level.
Speaker 2: When I found out that a tongue print is unique
Speaker 2: and as unique as a fingerprint, I couldn't believe that.
Speaker 2: So apparently it's true. Your tongue print is not that
Speaker 2: you're ever going to steal a car and lick it.
Speaker 2: You do, in that case, you deserve to be arrested anyway,
Speaker 2: don't steal a car. But you know, the thing is
Speaker 2: about the tongue print. You can be identified by that
Speaker 2: and a fingerprint. But now apparently your breathing pattern is
Speaker 2: also as unique as a fingerprint and can get you identified.
Speaker 2: It's portity of the scientists. It has to do with
Speaker 2: the unconscious rhythms of our inhales and exhales that are
Speaker 2: so unique that no two people have the same breathing
Speaker 2: pattern on this planet. How incredible is that. Take that
Speaker 2: to the bank and tell everybody at work you know
Speaker 2: about that. And also, apparently, according to the team of
Speaker 2: scientists who did this research, a person's nasal breathing pattern
Speaker 2: is so distinct you can be identified with an accuracy
Speaker 2: of ninety six point eight percent. That's how accurate it is.
Speaker 2: That's how accurate it is, according to the neuroscience, And
Speaker 2: they found about one hundred people. They've got them a
Speaker 2: small wearable device. They tracked their nasal air flow for
Speaker 2: twenty four hours, and then they found out that they
Speaker 2: turned the noses into biometric scanners, and they found out
Speaker 2: that your breathing pattern is so unique that it could
Speaker 2: probably stand up in a court of law. And you
Speaker 2: can be identically accurately identified ninety six point eight percent
Speaker 2: of the time. So if you're stealing something right now,
Speaker 2: just don't breathe, or better still, don't steal anything. I
Speaker 2: should have added that bit beforehand. Sixteen minutes past three.
Speaker 2: Would you like to get in touch on the phone.
Speaker 2: You can one three one eight seven three. You can
Speaker 2: text me on zero four six zero eight seven three
Speaker 2: eight seven three. You can email me overnights at two
Speaker 2: GB dot com. And coming up to seventeen minutes past three,
Speaker 2: we'll catch up with our good friend Terry Barnes after
Speaker 2: this to talk about the week so far in politics.
Speaker 2: How are you this morning? Yeah, okay, getting ready for
Speaker 2: the weekend. We've got to get through Thursday. Then here
Speaker 2: we have the weekend coming ups. Can be a cold
Speaker 2: one though, pretty chilly in Sydney. This morning feels like
Speaker 2: one degree coming up to twenty one minutes past three.
Speaker 2: Let's catch up with our good friend Terry Barnes.
Speaker 1: Now on overnights Order Order.
Speaker 5: The Prime Minister has the call.
Speaker 16: Thanks missus Streaker.
Speaker 1: It's the week in Politics with Terry Barnes.
Speaker 2: He's cold in his time and he wants to get
Speaker 2: to bed, but first there's business to be done.
Speaker 10: How are you, good morning, Pig.
Speaker 16: I am cold and I am tired, and the warmest
Speaker 16: plays I can think of.
Speaker 2: Susan Lee, is she dragging the Libs to the left?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 16: Something? Going from her National Press Club speech yesterday, I'd
Speaker 16: have to say that whenever somebody from the right of
Speaker 16: politics talks about modern Australia, that means taking it to
Speaker 16: the left. Effectively. She admitted that Liberals were smashed in
Speaker 16: the May federal election. That's not that's the truth. But
Speaker 16: her solution, as far as I can see, is that
Speaker 16: she wants to talk about modern Australia and modern Australian
Speaker 16: values and not timeless Liberal party values or timeless center
Speaker 16: right or conservative or even well liberal well liberal values.
Speaker 16: So she lost me when she gave the acknowledgment of
Speaker 16: country right at the beginning, not because that's wrong in itself,
Speaker 16: but it sent a very clear coded message that she
Speaker 16: is not going to fight the culture wars. She's not
Speaker 16: going to actually talk to a base. She's going to
Speaker 16: talk to well, she's going to talk to the rest
Speaker 16: of the country, I think. And of course if they
Speaker 16: want to regain government, the littles have to do that.
Speaker 16: They actually have to respect their base as well. I
Speaker 16: get the sneaking feeling that as a moderate Liberal MP,
Speaker 16: she respects the moderate part of the Liberal Party that
Speaker 16: doesn't have much time with the conservative part, and that's
Speaker 16: going to be a very interesting, well battle to be
Speaker 16: fought internally over the next couple of years if she
Speaker 16: survived that long.
Speaker 2: Well, wasn't this the issue at the last election? You
Speaker 2: had all these factions inside the party pulling it to
Speaker 2: the left and that's how they ended up in so
Speaker 2: much disarray.
Speaker 16: Well that's very very true, and I think to the
Speaker 16: support that she got to become leader by not many
Speaker 16: votes over Angus Taylor, who is seen as being on
Speaker 16: the conservative wing, sort of highlights that, and then certainly
Speaker 16: some of her key shadow Cabinet appointments is highlighted that
Speaker 16: as well. My senses, yes, I think the Liberals have
Speaker 16: to look at the reality of modern Australia and what
Speaker 16: it is, what Australian's aspirations are. But I think they
Speaker 16: also need to explain to to many people, particularly the young,
Speaker 16: that the Times values that Bob Benzi's stood up for,
Speaker 16: that Liberals had stood up for since the founding of
Speaker 16: the party eighty years ago, in terms of smaller government,
Speaker 16: in terms of greater personal response bility, in terms of
Speaker 16: the role of the family in the community, the sense
Speaker 16: that people determine their own destinies and that don't have
Speaker 16: to well co live their lives with government. I mean,
Speaker 16: those things matter to civil society in my view. I
Speaker 16: think people on the right are not very good at
Speaker 16: communicating that too, particularly younger people who have been educated
Speaker 16: I think, in a very progressive education culture all the
Speaker 16: way from the Garten two University and really have been
Speaker 16: for decades now. And my sense his liberals have lost
Speaker 16: those and they're struggling him too to actually make any
Speaker 16: ground with them. However, I don't think by simply saying, well, look,
Speaker 16: they didn't like who we were in May, I like
Speaker 16: who we are in June. If we basically talk like them,
Speaker 16: it's not going to work.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I see that Tony Abbott has voiced strong support
Speaker 2: for the US bombing campaign against Iran. He's been quite
Speaker 2: vocal lately. Is it too late for Abbot because he
Speaker 2: really could be the man of the moment now, especially
Speaker 2: given the current climate.
Speaker 16: Well, certainly, I think, I'm sure. In fact, I'm pretty
Speaker 16: certain that Tony Abbott misses the opportunity to influence Australia's
Speaker 16: place in the world the only way he could as
Speaker 16: Prime minister.
Speaker 2: I mean, pretty much like all ex prime ministers.
Speaker 16: Well indeed, there's nothing more ex than the ex prime minister,
Speaker 16: as they say. But look, I think the one thing
Speaker 16: about Tony Abbott, you agree with him or like him
Speaker 16: or not, is that she knew what he's still for,
Speaker 16: what he believed in. He didn't make any bones about that.
Speaker 16: And I think, actually, funnily enough and ironically enough for Tony.
Speaker 16: And I'm talking to somebody who's worked with him and
Speaker 16: known him for a long time and consider him a friend.
Speaker 16: Is that he's probably learned how to communicate and talk
Speaker 16: about ideas and values and international politics particularly much more
Speaker 16: effectively than when he was in Parliament when he was
Speaker 16: Prime minister. And in that sense, I think he's become
Speaker 16: very comfortable as an elder statesman and I think earned
Speaker 16: a lot of respect from even people who opposed him
Speaker 16: when he was in well, certainly when he's Prime minister,
Speaker 16: but also I think in the twenty odd years he
Speaker 16: was in politics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's just a couple of silly decisions there. So
Speaker 2: could he get back in and be a player again
Speaker 2: or is it too late for that now?
Speaker 16: Well, look he is well into his sixties now, so
Speaker 16: probably it is too late. And if there's more X
Speaker 16: than an X, and going back and being an ex
Speaker 16: in parliament is probably not the best way to use
Speaker 16: his influence, I mean, And that's the thing. He does
Speaker 16: have influence now, just like John Howard, has influence in
Speaker 16: a way that perhaps he wouldn't have done if he
Speaker 16: were still in Parliament, were in office. But we need
Speaker 16: those elder statesmen, but we also need, I think the
Speaker 16: current generation to actually step up and perform. And part
Speaker 16: of The problem that the federal liberal's got and at
Speaker 16: state level around the country is a desperate problem.
Speaker 6: Is the.
Speaker 16: Depth of the talent pool of MPs as well, muddy
Speaker 16: puddlers about the size of it. So the best people
Speaker 16: are not going into politics. And we're not just talking
Speaker 16: about women, as Susan Lee was at the Press Club yesterday.
Speaker 16: I think we're talking about men and women of capability,
Speaker 16: of talent, of experience, expertise who just aren't attracted by
Speaker 16: a political career, probably because people like you and I
Speaker 16: talk about that. And yeah, the slings about the narrows
Speaker 16: of public life for a really quite nice these days,
Speaker 16: and social media has made them a hell of a
Speaker 16: lot worse than say, even in John Howard's time.
Speaker 2: Well, that's right, but it doesn't just pertain to politics.
Speaker 2: It pertains to every area of life. If you're on Facebook,
Speaker 2: you're a target.
Speaker 16: Well, look at our civil discourse is coarsening.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I can't. I can't agree with that more, you.
Speaker 16: Know, and I think in our politics is reflecting that,
Speaker 16: and that's that's not good for the country. It's and
Speaker 16: it's not just here, it's around the world. I mean,
Speaker 16: we'll talk about certain man of Orange.
Speaker 2: And you know you. I knew you as soon as
Speaker 2: you pause there. I knew where you were going to go.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about never say never again. What Donald
Speaker 2: Trump made a good comeback. He's gone to NATO. He's
Speaker 2: had one hell of a week. He dropped the dropped
Speaker 2: the F bomb, which some people have said, well, it's
Speaker 2: on brand. So now there's the NATO sucking up text.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about that.
Speaker 16: Well, the NATO sucking up text. And it's actually not
Speaker 16: only private. Donald Trump leaked it because he obviously loved it.
Speaker 16: I mean, the Secretary General of NOTO from a Dutch
Speaker 16: Prime minister, Mark Ruter, really laid it on with the troal.
Speaker 16: I mean, it's just amazing that the brown nosing. I
Speaker 16: mean he brown noted so much that I think I
Speaker 16: don't think he can see his head that certainly he
Speaker 16: texted Donald Trump while he was flying over and.
Speaker 10: Well it's a.
Speaker 16: Longish text that I've just quote a bit of it,
Speaker 16: mister President did Donald congratulations and thank you for your
Speaker 16: decisive action in around that was truly extraordinary and something
Speaker 16: no one else dared to do. It makes us all safer.
Speaker 16: You are flying into another big success in the Hague
Speaker 16: this evening. It was not easy, but we've got them
Speaker 16: all signed on to five percent. That's a GDP on defense.
Speaker 10: Donald, you have driven us to a really, really.
Speaker 16: Important moment for a mar current Europe. And he just
Speaker 16: goes on and on. But he also did this publicly.
Speaker 16: He did this publicly yet at the DATO meeting where
Speaker 16: he had his bilateral with the president and talk similar amage.
Speaker 16: It is that that phrase at the start of his text,
Speaker 16: mister President, dear Donald, he talked about daddy talking tusks
Speaker 16: looking children.
Speaker 10: It was extraordinary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just again, I go back to two thoughts. One,
Speaker 2: hedge your bets and secondly, in the words of Nixon,
Speaker 2: he might be a mad man, but he's our mad man.
Speaker 16: Well, I think there was a back in the day.
Speaker 16: I think it was FDR who talked about a certain
Speaker 16: South American dictator and said that he may be a
Speaker 16: son of that, you know what, but he's our son
Speaker 16: of you.
Speaker 2: You know That's the thing about Donald Trump. He would
Speaker 2: have said the full expletive. Hold on there a moment.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about Jim Chalmers after this twenty
Speaker 2: eight minutes before our good friend Luke Boner will be
Speaker 2: joining us in an our's time with the Boner Report.
Speaker 2: But in the meantime, let's get back to Harry Binds.
Speaker 2: Good just have you still hanging on the phone this
Speaker 2: time of the morning, that we all appreciate that. Let's
Speaker 2: get to Jim Chalmers, who's dismissed NATO's defense spending policy.
Speaker 2: Where are we at with that? I mean, what are
Speaker 2: your thoughts on that?
Speaker 16: Well, certainly we just talked about Mark Ruther of NATO
Speaker 16: is saying that, oh there, I signed up to five percent.
Speaker 16: Isn't that wonderful? Whereas a Treasury yesterday made it very
Speaker 16: clear that, particularly in the discussion that he started about
Speaker 16: tax and tax reformers, that we're doing quite fine, very much,
Speaker 16: thank you, very with out two and a bit percent
Speaker 16: over the next few years, thank you very much. We
Speaker 16: don't see any need to change that. I mean, effectively,
Speaker 16: he was being very dismissive, brushed it off, effectively saying
Speaker 16: that any debate about our defense spending is off the table.
Speaker 16: And that's really reinforcing comments that the Prime Minister made
Speaker 16: off the cuff a week or so ago. We've effectively
Speaker 16: said we decided what we spend our money on the
Speaker 16: circumstances in which we spend it. But certainly I think
Speaker 16: given that the US is driving the NATO ad lies
Speaker 16: to increase their defense spending, no matter how much fawning
Speaker 16: and flattery goes with it. The fact that even the
Speaker 16: Canadians who have underperformed compared to even Australia in terms
Speaker 16: of the spending and prepared to up it to three
Speaker 16: percent more of GDP, we're starting to be lagged. If
Speaker 16: we want to have if we want to have the
Speaker 16: influence not just with the President Trump, but in terms
Speaker 16: of the regional security and world security, we actually have
Speaker 16: to put our money on the table. We have to
Speaker 16: put our willingness to play our part on the table.
Speaker 16: And we've had this, well, we've had this shadow game
Speaker 16: gunning over last fortnight, haven't we about Donald Trump? Meeting
Speaker 16: has now been easy? But really, why should the President
Speaker 16: meet mister Alben easy when Australia is not just in
Speaker 16: terms of being wishy washy and nearly mouthed in terms
Speaker 16: of its foreign policy, but certainly being absolutely totally unwilling
Speaker 16: and refusing to come to the party when it comes
Speaker 16: to contributing more to our ownness.
Speaker 2: It's funny if you wanted to take the pulse of
Speaker 2: the nation, you could listen to this radio station and
Speaker 2: the listeners and they would tell you straight away above
Speaker 2: cost of living, above trying to buy a house, first
Speaker 2: and foremost is defense spending with all of our listeners
Speaker 2: pretty much, and it's strange that they're just not being
Speaker 2: listened to.
Speaker 16: Well, I think that's right, and I think we have
Speaker 16: to debate about the level of defense spending. We also
Speaker 16: have to talk about quantity quality as well as quantity,
Speaker 16: that we're actually buying stuff that is actually going to
Speaker 16: make us safe, it is actually going to do what
Speaker 16: we need to do is fit the purpose for what
Speaker 16: we needed to do. And certainly, and we've got to
Speaker 16: put orcus into that equation. Yet put it aside and
Speaker 16: look at the rest of what we do in terms
Speaker 16: of our defense forces, our defense structure, our defense personnel,
Speaker 16: and certainly we do need to make sure that whatever
Speaker 16: we do is not only affordable, but it is effective.
Speaker 16: And that's going to be a challenge. But we tend
Speaker 16: not to have these conversations. They're too difficult. And the
Speaker 16: political problem for the Labor government is after the election
Speaker 16: where they really put so much money into social spending,
Speaker 16: whether it's Medicare and eis student that's whatever it happened
Speaker 16: to be. I mean, these commitments that they have made
Speaker 16: on the domestic side are so big and so budget
Speaker 16: consuming that it actually doesn't leave much room to do
Speaker 16: more on defense unless unless you actually raise taxes in
Speaker 16: a significant way. That seems to be the message that
Speaker 16: Jim Charlmons is making in terms of taxes from the
Speaker 16: last couple of days. It's all about raising more revenue.
Speaker 16: It's not about using what revenue we have more efficiently
Speaker 16: in terms of the programs or services, not just defense,
Speaker 16: but domestic services as well. My sense is we do
Speaker 16: need tax reform. We do need to actually look at
Speaker 16: our tax base. We need to look at making sure
Speaker 16: it works as fairly as possible and as efficiently as possible.
Speaker 16: That we've also got to make sure that we don't
Speaker 16: we don't basically raise money to waste it. That's the
Speaker 16: other side of it. So doctor Chalmers was prepared to say,
Speaker 16: we do need to look at what we spend our
Speaker 16: money on. We do need to look at things doing
Speaker 16: things better and smarter, but that also may mean we
Speaker 16: do less that we might actually have to cut some
Speaker 16: things we can't. That's binding. The bullet on. The tough
Speaker 16: stuff is what government's all about. And this government and
Speaker 16: so I come from the other side of politics, but
Speaker 16: this government seems very much into wanting to talk good
Speaker 16: views but not talking about the fact that there is
Speaker 16: a cost to everything they do.
Speaker 2: That's it. And one more thing, because I know you
Speaker 2: want to go to bed, and I mentioned getting the
Speaker 2: pulse of the nation. We've got in your notes here
Speaker 2: to talk about Antoinette Latooth receiving the seventy thousand dollars
Speaker 2: from the ABC over the sacking. I'm really surprised that
Speaker 2: you wanted to talk about this. I'm also surprised at
Speaker 2: how much traction this story is getting and how many
Speaker 2: people are talking about it. Why is that?
Speaker 16: Well, look, I think it's something actually, although she is
Speaker 16: coming from the left and particularly on the gaza issue
Speaker 16: and met the two, I've got to pick on the
Speaker 16: ABC for the wrong reasons that yeah, she expressed the
Speaker 16: political view, but if you look at it, I mean,
Speaker 16: how many of their key people, how many of their names,
Speaker 16: actually do exactly the same thing and get away with it.
Speaker 16: I mean, look what Laura Tingle, for instance, said about
Speaker 16: Scott Morrison a few years ago in terms of videological
Speaker 16: bastard trick. Look at their investigator, investigative journalist Louise Milligan,
Speaker 16: who has taken to court the deafination in terms of
Speaker 16: things that she had said and printed, and basically they
Speaker 16: were okay. Anthoninetteletu, who is a casual contractors entered for
Speaker 16: one week while somebody else is on leave. She made
Speaker 16: a comment about guard which I think showed that very
Speaker 16: much where she came from politically. That compared to well,
Speaker 16: compared to some of those other cases, you just wonder
Speaker 16: what the fuss was about. I mean, it was one
Speaker 16: of those things that the ABC management should have blown over.
Speaker 16: But the other thing is, when it comes to it,
Speaker 16: she's got her seventy thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: In COMPETI well, that's not bad for three days work.
Speaker 16: But they're talking about legal fees that in the midions
Speaker 16: the cost that the ABC will be up for hers
Speaker 16: and theirs, and really they realize that this is taxpayers money, well,
Speaker 16: stareholders money, it's not private money, it's taxpayers money. Well,
Speaker 16: they're doing the proverbial up against the wall.
Speaker 2: Let me hit you with this scenario. Do you think
Speaker 2: that maybe the ABC are reflecting the government's opinion at
Speaker 2: the moment, and that is not to have an opinion
Speaker 2: about anything.
Speaker 16: Well, in these days, I think that's the safest thing,
Speaker 16: But the ABC charter actually demands that they be impartial
Speaker 16: and they actually look at all points of view, and
Speaker 16: certainly I think from me antoinette Ler too, in terms
Speaker 16: of being highed in the first place, said they're quite
Speaker 16: happy to accept people of her who left the center perspectives,
Speaker 16: but if the cause of trouble, well they scarf it
Speaker 16: for one hundred miles an hour, but they still line
Speaker 16: up behind their names who might fall into the same trap.
Speaker 16: So I just think there is a double standard there
Speaker 16: that within the ABC culture that allowed that to happen.
Speaker 16: But in terms of in terms of her being well
Speaker 16: effectively given the flick for a tweet, I'm not sure
Speaker 16: that's necessarily a good thing.
Speaker 2: But again, you know, that goes back to what we
Speaker 2: were talking about earlier on about Facebook and about having
Speaker 2: an opinion and everything like that.
Speaker 16: This is the thing, I think, to your professional I mean,
Speaker 16: do you know it's a good thing that you have
Speaker 16: opinionated journalists and commentators who attract listeners and viewers. But
Speaker 16: if they express those years and you've actually them to
Speaker 16: express those years, you sort of have to stand with them.
Speaker 2: Which it's really and this is a conversation, a longer
Speaker 2: form conversation for another time. But it's very interesting because
Speaker 2: if it's a spoken opinion, it seems to be more
Speaker 2: accepted than if it's a written opinion. If it's especially
Speaker 2: if it's a written opinion on social media, that seems
Speaker 2: to carry more weight and more implications than something you've
Speaker 2: written as an article or something I've said on the radio.
Speaker 2: Why that is.
Speaker 16: But on the other hand, I mean, I'm here because
Speaker 16: I expressed you know, because you know, I'm going to
Speaker 16: express opinion of course reporting the news. But yeah, when
Speaker 16: you when you're actually covering the years that you're expected
Speaker 16: to tweet your opinions on it, then the line's been
Speaker 16: blurred for quite That's it.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying to you. You know that the
Speaker 2: social media opinion Twitter, Facebook and what have you seems
Speaker 2: to carry more weight and implication again than say the
Speaker 2: written word in something that you may have written in
Speaker 2: the media or something that I would have said on
Speaker 2: the radio. I don't know why that is, but that's
Speaker 2: just you know, the impression that I get.
Speaker 16: Well, certainly, I've written a couple of things on the
Speaker 16: mainstream in mainstream media actually last week or so. It's
Speaker 16: got me spot of bothered out. Okay, look it happens
Speaker 16: to us all.
Speaker 2: But once you get seventy grand, you know who you
Speaker 2: can take to lunch.
Speaker 16: Well, well, I don't get anything like seventy grand. Don't
Speaker 16: get anything, but certainly always enjoy talking to you.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, my friend. You are just too
Speaker 2: well for me. It's two SIPs of coffee. By the
Speaker 2: time I finish those, you'll be fast asleep in your pjs.
Speaker 2: Have a great night.
Speaker 16: Thanks so much for it.
Speaker 2: There is Terry and joins us at this time every
Speaker 2: Thursday morning, but he's off to bed now, and I
Speaker 2: don't blame him, to be honest. It's eighteen minutes to four,
Speaker 2: fourteen minutes to four on the text, Hey Phil, when
Speaker 2: do you reckon albow? Will carry out his election promise
Speaker 2: and flick China out of Darwin Port, said Ross Ross.
Speaker 2: I don't know. May to hold your breath. This one
Speaker 2: from mel Phil's Terry spoke about NATO Brown knowsing Trump well,
Speaker 2: he'd be well qualified to comment, because no greater Brown
Speaker 2: knows than Howard of GW. Bush, says mel on the text,
Speaker 2: and this one came in, came in from Leslie. I
Speaker 2: agree with Terry. Susan Lee lost me with the acknowledgment
Speaker 2: of the indigenous, totally unnecessarily and divisive. I forecast she
Speaker 2: won't be leading at the next election, and she says,
Speaker 2: I hope not. We need a strong mail to combat
Speaker 2: alban easy and then it's possible that he won't be there.
Speaker 2: Tony Abbott for PM, says Leslie Jane in Brisbane morning,
Speaker 2: how are you, Oh.
Speaker 21: Morning, I'm well, thank you. Susan. Absolutely we didn't get smashed.
Speaker 21: She and Peter Dutton had the Liberal Party smashed by
Speaker 21: the announcement they were going to go nuclear nuclear at
Speaker 21: the time of the cost of living and after the
Speaker 21: virus and the state of our sense defenses. I mean
Speaker 21: we didn't want to hear nuclear. I said to my
Speaker 21: friends and family, well we've lost at what a period
Speaker 21: absolutely twists And that was the point. They walked around
Speaker 21: like you know, the walking dead, and they weren't saying
Speaker 21: anything anywhere. Oh, there's a little bit of pub talk
Speaker 21: about the cost of living. But when they say nuclear
Speaker 21: is the most important thing, I thought, we're smashed. And
Speaker 21: she and Peter Dutton did it. So my advice to
Speaker 21: Susan they and I'm said before was that she should
Speaker 21: have retired graciously and gracefully as did Peter Dutton, and
Speaker 21: used her flying talents which she has certainly got, and
Speaker 21: her contact in the in the country to go out
Speaker 21: there and help the problems that the country in New
Speaker 21: South walesa having with the various things have gone wrong.
Speaker 21: Because we've certainly got the love in Queensland as well
Speaker 21: after the floods and the things. See you in western
Speaker 21: does Western Queensland, So seasonally go go go now, don't
Speaker 21: bring any more trouble to this country. And as the
Speaker 21: quotas and women as sorry, we need a good strong
Speaker 21: man at this point of time because that's the only
Speaker 21: way that the message can get over about the things
Speaker 21: that men do better. And so as the sense and
Speaker 21: things is because are concerned. But Jim Chalmers, you know,
Speaker 21: we call him. He's our person, the Bogan from Logan
Speaker 21: or Jim Chalmers or Jim Snake Charmers. And I don't
Speaker 21: say things like that lot. I'm just reporting to you
Speaker 21: what the people are saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we floaded the idea and it was just an
Speaker 2: idea of Tony Abbott making a reappearance. What do you
Speaker 2: think about that idea?
Speaker 21: I think his time has come, do you think, right?
Speaker 21: I'm very sad about that. Butteriu's saying he's the ages.
Speaker 2: Yeah, See, sixty is not that old though, Jane. Sixty
Speaker 2: is not that old as you would know. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, if you've got and he's also, I mean
Speaker 2: if you talk about his fitness, he's very fit too.
Speaker 2: Sixty is not the sixty it used to be. So
Speaker 2: I don't see that. You know that would be something
Speaker 2: that would you know, be held against him.
Speaker 21: Well, you know, the party would have to agree. And
Speaker 21: if people agree and want him back, well, who am
Speaker 21: I saying?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 21: I mean he was. He's much better now at conveying
Speaker 21: the message, as we all know, than he was at
Speaker 21: the time. Yeah, if that's the way to go, Son
Speaker 21: tought you.
Speaker 2: Jane, thank you so much. One three, one eight seven three.
Speaker 2: On the phone, Let's catch up with a couple of things.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump is absolutely furious because the New York Times
Speaker 2: and CNN said that they didn't make a good job
Speaker 2: of it when it came to the bunker busters and
Speaker 2: the Iran nuclear facility. There've been two schools of thought
Speaker 2: on this, and they're both quite divisive. Some people saying
Speaker 2: that it wasn't effective, other people saying, I like Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: that it was effective. But Donald Trump is absolutely furious
Speaker 2: about that. Donald Trump compared the attack to what happened
Speaker 2: in Hiroshima.
Speaker 3: They're not going to be fighting each other. They've had it.
Speaker 3: They've had a big fight, like two kids at a
Speaker 3: school yard. You know, they fight like help, you can't
Speaker 3: stop them. Let them fight for about two three minutes.
Speaker 3: Then it's easier to stop them.
Speaker 2: And then Debty has sometimes do strong language.
Speaker 3: School strong everyone saying you have to use a certain word.
Speaker 3: I don't want to use an example of Hiroshima. I
Speaker 3: don't want to use an example of Nagasaki. But that
Speaker 3: was essentially the same thing that ended that war.
Speaker 14: This ended that with a wharf.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump there he never ever shies away from saying
Speaker 2: something controversial or sharing controversial things on his truth social page.
Speaker 2: He's just shared this beach Boy's parody video about the
Speaker 2: B two bomber strikes that happened in Iran to the
Speaker 2: tune of the Beach Boys song bum Bum Bum Bum
Speaker 2: Bomb Iram. By the way, I was talking about the
Speaker 2: B two bomber before and Steve said that he's been
Speaker 2: in a B two spirit. He said, they do have
Speaker 2: a toilet and they do have a bed. I mean
Speaker 2: to believe that the toilet is just, without getting too graphic,
Speaker 2: the toilet is there and you just have to look
Speaker 2: the other way. And the bed is something that's just
Speaker 2: basically a bun come to believe, but well done. Actually
Speaker 2: getting on board there, that'd be great, Steve. I could
Speaker 2: imagine that'd be quite for you know, a flight and
Speaker 2: nothing that would be quite good too. I mentioned a
Speaker 2: moment ago that Tony Abbott was throwing his support behind
Speaker 2: the US strikes. He is what he had to say.
Speaker 7: I think that countries should act in accordance with their
Speaker 7: interests and values, and it's in the interests and in
Speaker 7: the values of all liberal democratic countries that the current
Speaker 7: Iranian regime never gets access to nuclear weapons. The current
Speaker 7: apocalyptic Islamist regime in Tehran, their constant script is death
Speaker 7: to Israel, death to America.
Speaker 2: Again. What a waste with Tony Abbott, who unfortunately was
Speaker 2: just a circum I guess the situation of circumstances surrounding
Speaker 2: the time that he was Prime minister. If you could
Speaker 2: fast forward that, bring that to now or the situation
Speaker 2: when I think would be completely different. And I think
Speaker 2: that Steve agrees with that, to bring back Tony Abbot,
Speaker 2: he says on the text, and just regarding what we
Speaker 2: were talking about age, Tom said on the text, well
Speaker 2: Albany's he's sixty two, and Denise said from Randwick, Jane
Speaker 2: is right, we need a bit of a new blood there.
Speaker 2: It is seven minutes to four. Hello. I think it's
Speaker 2: Michael sending me the cricket scores Australia versus West Indies
Speaker 2: four for one hundred and eleven head fifty one kwaja
Speaker 2: out for forty nine. His text from Tony phil Australians
Speaker 2: need to look forward. It's not too late for mister Abbott.
Speaker 2: Maybe even mister Friedenburg should be encouraged to return to
Speaker 2: politics as the Liberal leader. Thank you very much for that.
Speaker 2: And this one too from Denise that Jane was on
Speaker 2: the ball and had some good thoughts there. Steve said
Speaker 2: on the text, costs of living will always be high
Speaker 2: as long as labor pushes renewable energy. Susan Lee talking
Speaker 2: at the Press Club yesterday and I thought listening to
Speaker 2: the speech, and I have no issue with the glass
Speaker 2: ceiling and all that. I don't care who's in as
Speaker 2: long as the person in is the right person for
Speaker 2: the job. And they've said that this is a poison
Speaker 2: chalice for her to take over this particular job. But
Speaker 2: it just feels to me that it was a little apologetic.
Speaker 2: Susan lay yesterday at the Press Club with this.
Speaker 15: These numbers reflect a deep and growing disconnect. We respect
Speaker 15: the election outcome with humility, we accept it with contrition,
Speaker 15: and we must learn from it with conviction. The Australian
Speaker 15: people need a strong and effective alternative to vote for
Speaker 15: at the next election. Our first step is to listen
Speaker 15: so we properly understand how we can improve. Last week
Speaker 15: we appointed Prue Goward and Nick Minchin to conduct a
Speaker 15: route and branch review of the election result. Their review
Speaker 15: will be frank and fearless, ensuring a thorough and honest
Speaker 15: assessment of.
Speaker 14: What went wrong and how we can fix it.
Speaker 15: The review will conclude by the end of the year
Speaker 15: and it will be made public.
Speaker 14: We can do better, and we will do better.
Speaker 2: See for me, there's too much inspection there, there's too
Speaker 2: much at naval gazing, and there's too much looking back
Speaker 2: over the shoulder. Let's go forward. Let's go forward with
Speaker 2: you know, the direction that you want to go with
Speaker 2: within the party and have some clear directives. So anyway,
Speaker 2: that was Susan Lee yesterday and Denise, as they said,
Speaker 2: too many words, a bit of a word salad. Right, Okay,
Speaker 2: let's move on to something just completely different for you
Speaker 2: very quickly, because I've got the four o'clock news coming up,
Speaker 2: and then we're going to get to Channel nine newsroom.
Speaker 2: Jonathan Cursley Overseas two and a few other things. Luke
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Speaker 10: Yes?
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Speaker 2: There you go. Alvis Friensley made his last ever stage
Speaker 2: performance when he appeared at Market Square Arena in Indianapolis
Speaker 2: on this day, twenty sixth June nineteen seventy seven. And
Speaker 2: as you can hear there towards again of his career,
Speaker 2: poor Alvis was well and truly fry. All right, let's
Speaker 2: get your news update on the front page of the papers.