WEBVTT - Overnights with Phil O'Neil - Thursday 26th June 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:21.200 On two GB, four BC and network stations. This is 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:24.480 Australia Overnight with Phil O'Neil. 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:28.680 Nearly the start of July already, Wow, how are you. 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:30.080 I hope you had a good day. Bit a wind 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:33.080 around today. I woke up, saw the wind outside, spent 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:35.400 most of the afternoon in my pajamas to be honest, 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:38.159 until about seven o'clock. Is working on the show and 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:40.720 some guests for you. We've got a lot of really 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:42.839 good guests for you this morning, so I hope you 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:47.720 can stick around, including Doctor Carl's replacement this week will 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:51.520 be bianchor No Grady, who's a freelance science journalist and author. 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:54.360 She'll be taking the questions that you texted me through 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:57.680 the week for Doctor Carl, and there's some good ones 0:00:57.720 --> 0:00:59.320 there too, so we'll talk about that. And she also 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.520 wants to talk about dog walking injury injuries. That's one 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:04.640 of the things we've got. We have our usual guest 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:08.120 Terry Barnes on Leith ban Onsolin too, and it's the 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:11.560 Thursday Morning Live Lounge with a song that for the 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:13.800 first time will feature a piano or at least a 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:16.840 keyboard anyway, So that's coming up for thirteen degrees at 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:19.640 the moment in Brisbane, although it feels like ten degrees, 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:23.240 and in Sydney nine degrees but it feels like two. 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:26.000 That'll probably be due to the wind. There you go, Margaret. 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:28.280 I did the weather on the top of the hour, 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:30.479 as you asked me to do, because I am here 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:33.080 at your behest and i'd love to have a chat 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:35.840 with you. One three one eight seven three is our 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:39.399 phone number and the text number zero four six zero 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.360 eight seven three eight seven three if you'd like to 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:46.200 email me. It's overnights at two GB dot com. Let's 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:48.480 talk about a couple of things that are going on. Well, 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:52.040 Donald Trump, I mean, obviously he is always the headline. 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:54.800 He's very good at getting his name out there. He 0:01:54.840 --> 0:02:00.160 compared the attacks on Iran to Hiroshiva and Nagasaki was 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:02.400 talking at NATO. He said, well, just like that, this 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:03.400 also ended the war. 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:05.000 They're not going to be fighting each other. 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:05.760 They've had it. 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:08.480 They've got a big fight, like two kids at a 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:10.839 school yard. You know, they fight like help, you can't 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:13.200 stop them. Let him fight for about two three minutes. 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:14.760 Then it's easier to stop them. 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:18.440 And then has sometimes strong language, schools is strong. 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:21.239 Everyone's so you have to use a certain word. I 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:24.519 don't want to use an example of Hiroshima. I don't 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:27.680 want to use an example of Nagasaki. But that was 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:31.080 essentially the same thing that ended that war. This ended 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:31.679 that with the war. 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:36.000 There you go, Donald Trump, who was relatively welcomed by NATO. 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:38.440 He must be feeling quite happy with himself. Have a 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:40.840 listen to this. The Donald Trump shared this on the 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:44.760 Truth social They did a version of the Beach Boys song, 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:46.519 but they've changed the lyrics to it. 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:49.600 Bum bum bum bum bomb. 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:00.120 Of course, you can imagine how happy Donald Trump it 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:02.960 have been when he heard this straight on the sharing 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:06.200 for the socials. You heard Susan Lee talking before on 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:08.000 the news. I want to talk about that in the moment, 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:11.160 but I also see the former Australian Prime Minister Tony 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:14.560 Abbott has voiced strong support for the recent US bombing 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:18.600 campaign against Iran, calling it absolutely right and necessary and 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:22.760 urging Australia to stand more firmly behind its closest DOLLA. 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:25.520 I think that country should act in accordance with their 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:29.360 interests and values, and it's in the interests and in 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:34.920 the values of all liberal democratic countries that the current 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:40.320 Iranian regime never gets access to nuclear weapons. The current 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:47.720 apocalyptic Islamist regime in Tehran, their constant script is death 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:49.880 to Israel, death to America. 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:52.200 You know what I think with Tony Abbott. And I 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:54.600 was talking to Terry Barnes about this, and we'll hear 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:56.240 about this a little bit later on in the morning. 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:58.920 But I said, you know, if ever there was a 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.920 right time for Tony, it would be now. And I said, 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:03.839 do you think that he could still stick his toe 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:07.120 back into it? Would he be a viable alternative for 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:10.760 the liberals? I think the Susan Lee thing, you know, 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:13.520 I think for the hardcore liberals. Don't think it's going 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.279 to be a long term thing. I wonder. And we 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:18.440 also said this when she first got home. We all said, well, 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:20.680 a bit of a poison chalice there. You know, I 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.039 wouldn't want to take that job. And Terry said, no, 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:24.720 he thinks he's a bit too old for it now 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:26.960 Tony Abbott. And I said, well, he's only any sixties, 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:29.760 because you know, Terry knows Tony really, really well. And 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:33.640 I said, surely, if there was an opportunity for Tony 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:35.920 Abbott to come back and you know, run for Prime 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.040 Minister again, if there was a way to do it, 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:40.480 would he be the right man at the right time, 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:45.400 right now? And Terry seemed to think no, actually, and 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:46.680 you'll hear the chat a little bit later on this 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:48.240 morning he said that he might be too old for it. 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:50.159 I disagree. What do you think let's open up with 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.440 that one one three one eight seven three or on 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:55.320 the text the zero four six zero eight seven three 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:58.080 eight seven three. If he had the opportunity, is the 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:00.839 time right for Tony Abbott where it was before it 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:02.920 would have been an opportunity for him to step back 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:05.360 and be the leader that we need right now. Let 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:08.160 me give you something else. You're gonna love this fantastic 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:12.359 talk about on the worst piece of red tape crap 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:14.680 I've ever heard about. The City of Sydney councilor is 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:18.400 looking to require permits for bins to be stored on 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:23.120 the curb when they're not stored on midnight. So basically 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:26.240 the move incidentally was passed unanimously at a meeting Monday. 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:30.839 Spoke concerns over street light that street side bin smelling bad, 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:35.480 blocking foot and vehicle traffic and attracting animals. So what 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:38.160 they've done is they want to get a programm response 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:41.919 to systematically and effectively address the issues caused by bins 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:45.320 being stored on the street. They said, there are terrace 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:48.400 houses that now step straight out onto the footpath. They 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:51.080 don't have a backyard and there's nowhere to store it. 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:54.240 So in these situations you can ask for permission to 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:58.279 have your bin stored on the street. Receptacles left out 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:04.160 after midnight gluttering the streets, making them look messy. And 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:06.839 also they're encouraging other people to put the rubbish bins 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:08.240 in there or put their rubbish in there as they 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:11.240 go past. So the proposed plan listen to. This would 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:15.520 be a permit system for people to leave their bins 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:18.800 on the street. Homes with no space to leave bins 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:23.880 will be given stickers permitting a curbside resting place. In 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:26.560 those situations, you can ask for permission they have your 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:30.080 bin stored on the street so it doesn't clutter it. 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:32.320 It would be a permit system for people to leave 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.360 their bins on the street. It's like you know when 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:36.560 you if you haven't go any parking outside your house, 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:37.960 so you have to park on the street, You've got 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:40.360 to get a permit for that. Okay, I'm in favor 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.400 of that, and I can also see where they're going 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.360 in terms of blocking the street. But imagine that having 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:48.760 to get a permit sticker to put your bin out 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:51.360 on the street if it's not bin night. What do 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:54.240 you think about that? One three one eight seven three 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:57.680 zero four six zero eight seven three eight seven three 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:00.400 get involved on the text, but regreat to talk. I'd 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:02.279 love to have a chat on the radio too. Would 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:04.160 you go as far as to say, oh, I might 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:06.839 go and get myself a permit sticker for the bin 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:08.560 because I'm going to leave it out the front, or 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:10.040 you just leave it out the front and be a 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.320 radical belief. I don't even know what the fine would be. 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:15.240 Maybe they take it, maybe they take a bin away 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:17.120 to teach you a lesson. So what do you think 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:19.120 about that? What about Tony Abbott? Is the time right 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:22.000 for a return? One three one eight seven three zero 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:24.880 four six zero eight seven three eight seven three as well? 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:26.560 I didn't just fight. By the way, that was the 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.680 chair moving. Just in case you were wondering, Hello, Kyle, 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.040 how are you this evening at Edmondson Park? What's going on? 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:35.960 Huh? Good morning, Phil Hire you I'm actually at a 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:38.680 train station, just waiting to pick up my teenage son 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:40.160 of all things, at midnight. 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:41.720 Oh that's good, you're a good dad. 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:46.400 Good dad. But I just called it the end of 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:48.640 the last show and they were just finishing, so they 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:52.800 couldn't take my call. But I'm just wondering when America 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:55.880 is going to realize that their grip as a superpower 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:59.640 in the world is waning in my opinion. 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:01.520 Yeah, well, you're not the only one who said that. 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:06.480 You know, the empire, you know that Rome is burning 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:08.640 one neuro fiddles. You know a lot of people have 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:12.520 drawn some comparisons to the end of that empire, well. 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:14.600 One hundred percent. And if you look at the Bricks 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:19.080 Coalition in the North South trade corridor, and there's this 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:22.720 power shift that seems to be taking place trade wise 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:27.560 and economically. And I think when he comes out and 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:32.040 compares what happened to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, that was pretty 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:35.440 unexpected when that happened, and the rest of the war wasn't. 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:38.080 Really I don't think that's the same case anymore. 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:41.960 It's an interesting comparison. I certainly wouldn't call it a 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:44.720 correct one. I can see where he was going with that. 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:46.960 But the thing about Donald Trump is he says things 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:49.079 so he can get headlines. You know, it never has 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:50.760 to be actually factually correct. 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:54.360 Yeah, I think he needs to be reminded he's not 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:55.920 on a reality show anymore. 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:59.720 Well he is. He is the reality show and he's 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:01.560 this are of his own show. Good to talk to you, 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:03.760 Carl one three one eight seven three. So what do 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:05.679 you think? I just got a text here saying yes 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:08.040 to Tony ambittt for PM, says Beverly, what do you think? 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:09.679 Get on the phone, give me your ring one three 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:12.199 to one eight seven three and let's have a chat. 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:15.199 Nineteen minutes past midnight. Hello, Susanna, how are you? Susanna 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:17.400 said on the text, how's your toe? It was pretty 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:19.840 kind of you to ask, because I put the photo 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:21.680 of my what I thought was a broken toe on 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:24.120 the Instagram and my wife said, why did you do that? 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:26.840 And I said because the listeners asked me to and 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.320 she said no, they didn't, and I said no they did. 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:32.000 Said they weren't interested in your toe, and I said 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:34.880 they were. They were genuinely interested in my toe, and 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:37.440 she didn't believe me. So anyway, Susannah, I'm going to 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:39.760 take a photo of that text that you've sent me 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:42.520 to show to my wife tomorrow after I find out 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:44.520 if I'm in trouble or not. Steve says, you know 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:46.480 where they can stick their permit? This is the permit 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:48.079 for the bins on the street. I mean, come on, 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:50.839 it really is red tape, isn't it. And they really 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.600 got that's all they've got to do. I just want 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:56.760 to get into you know, local council, just so I 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:59.520 can sit there and come up with preposterous things. You know, 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:01.600 I will just to sit there and yell at clouds 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:03.600 because I seem I think that's the place to go, 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:06.600 isn't it. I left my bin out a little longer 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:09.480 than usual, says Mick, and some clown. But he's dogs 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:13.760 number two in my bin. That's funny because Michelle talked 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:15.839 about that last night when she sent me a text. 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:18.480 She said, ask people if it's okay to put your 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:22.160 dog's doodo in somebody else's bin. Well, this happened to Mick, 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:27.760 and he said it was wrapped luckily so too. I 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:29.680 don't know who it was. Well you don't what, mate, 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:31.959 You know what you can do, Mick, get some DNA 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:35.640 on that dog turd and you can probably track him down. Hello, Kim, 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:36.640 how are you this morning? 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:41.400 Yes, good morning, till. I definitely want to say Tony 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:42.800 Abbott for prime minister. 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:45.800 Can he come I'm not really sure what the rules are, 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:48.160 Could he come back? Could he make it some kind 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:50.760 of a comeback? Could be? Could he be parachuted into 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:51.680 some area? 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:57.160 Oh definitely, I wish she would come back. But I 0:10:57.200 --> 0:11:00.600 think he was treated so badly by people in his 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:07.800 own party turncoats, that you know, I mean, seriously, absolutely shameful. 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:13.000 He was robbed twice of being prime minister. In the 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:18.920 first election when Gillard went up against him and it 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:24.080 got down to two independents. I mean, Tony Abbott won 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:28.760 the election, but somehow got down to two independents that 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:30.200 weren't so independent. 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:33.880 Yeah. I mentioned being parachuted into because they did that 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.560 with Christina Kanely, but I think the circumstances might have 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:38.840 been different. But he was parachuted, as they said. 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:43.199 He was robbed of being prime minister the first time round. 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:49.880 The second time round, Turnbull's ego took over and Tony 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:55.520 Abbott lasted for six months. He was voted in by 0:11:55.640 --> 0:12:01.760 the people. These politicians with their eager should not have 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:02.760 got in the way. 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.120 And I think it's a different Australia than it was 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:08.120 when he was in power. I think that you know, 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:10.920 we've especially with you know, Trump getting re elected, people 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:14.240 have just reevaluated what they want from their leaders. And 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:16.199 I think the thing that you know, the whole thing, 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:18.760 but the Dames, even going back to the chewing of 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:20.679 the onion, you know, things like that that made their 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:23.480 headlines worked against him. But now we wouldn't care and 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:25.520 we can eat it. And he can eat six onions 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:27.880 and make as many people Dames as he wants. 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:32.280 To know, the stories they came out with making and 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:35.040 people saying or eat this onion. He should have just 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:40.360 refused to do it. I mean people, you know, I mean, 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.800 I'm just finded with people and how they treat certain people. 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:47.880 I think they're quite appalling actually. But I really think 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:52.000 when it comes to Prime Minister's Tony Abbott hard working, 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:57.800 He gets down dirty with the people. He's a volunteer firefighter, 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:02.160 he's been was politician for many many years. I think 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:06.080 he's spent nearly every Christmas going out in the Aboriginal communities. 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:09.959 I just think he's a wonderful all around human being. 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:12.719 Yeah, I remember there was a moment they picked him 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:14.760 up on a hidden mind, not a hidden mic, but 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.080 a mic that wasn't supposed to pick something up. And 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:19.840 he was talking to somebody from the army about a situation, 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:22.079 and he was talking to them on their own level, 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:27.520 and something he said was misrepresentative, misrepresented or misconstrued, and 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:30.079 that became the headline. I can't remember the exact occasion, 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:34.240 but he talks to people on the level of the 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:38.240 way he sees and perceives they would understand what he's 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:39.520 trying to say to them. You know, I'm trying to 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:42.040 say that by that, try and explain what I'm Tony 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:44.320 Abbott was trying to say. But he you know, it 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:48.079 speaks to people on the level, at their own agenda, 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:50.400 at their own level, as opposed to trying to come 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:52.640 up with sort of some kind of way to just 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:54.599 appease people. And I really like that about it. 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:57.760 I agree. I've never met the man, but just watching 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:00.640 from a distance, I just think he is just one 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:07.080 of the most genuine, human, hard working people in politics 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:12.040 that you could ever come across. And you know, look, 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.360 he deserves to be Prime minister. He deserves to have 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:19.240 stayed in power for three years and it's the kind 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:21.480 of person you want that shame for what was done 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:21.880 to him. 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:24.200 And also, you know, you need somebody who's going to 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.880 represent Australia in a tough position, and you do need 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:28.680 a tough man from time to time. You know, you 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:31.280 do need somebody like that who will stand up to 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:34.479 the bullies and will you know, take care of business. 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:39.000 And he's always articulate, and he always speaks well, and 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:44.440 he's always very diplomatic, unlike Alban EASi and many other 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:49.440 prime ministers before him. No, Tony Abbott will always get 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:53.280 my vote. And any person I know be a family member, 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:57.600 friend that they all love Tony Abbot. 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:00.600 Yeah, well maybe he could be convinced by the way 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:02.720 I was thinking about you yesterday when I was doing 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:05.840 some guest searching for the show. It's funny because I 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:07.960 think about, you know, oh, this would be great for Susanna, 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:09.520 this would be great for Chris, you know, and I 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:11.960 sort of keep in mind who I think would also 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.200 be interested in the guests, and I found you know, 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:16.640 I know that you love the paranormal show we do Friday, 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:18.760 so and I had to do a lot of back 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:21.960 and forward with this lady. But she because she sort 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:26.480 of was essentially she was abducted by a UFO. So 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:28.800 for me to approach her and go, can you come 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:31.040 on the show, she immediately thought, well, hang on, am 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:32.920 I going to be open to ridicule here? She's written 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:34.960 books about it, and so I had to go backwards 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:36.960 and forwards to go no. You know, the idea of 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:38.760 this show and this segment is that you know, you 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:41.720 come on, you tell your experience, and we listen to 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:45.080 your experience without judgment, without criticism, you know, because I 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:47.360 think that should be the way in any conversation if 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:49.360 you want to learn. So anyway, she got back to me. 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:53.600 She's got a website called alienexperiences dot net and her 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:56.040 name is Nadine and she's kindly agreed to come on 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:58.240 tomorrow night's show. So I thought, well, you know what, 0:15:58.280 --> 0:15:59.720 I can't wait to tell Kim because of me. 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.400 That's one. 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:04.640 That's tomorrow night. 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:05.640 Kim Bill. 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:06.880 I'll be listening. 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:08.800 Excellent, always good to do it to you. And Penny's 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:10.440 on the phone at Gold But morning, Penny, what do 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:11.120 you think. 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:18.000 I mean? Politics is all too hard to follow really, 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:19.760 But The one thing I wanted to pick up on 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:23.440 the lady that was just on was that Kim. Yeah, 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:27.400 she said that Tony Abbott was voted in by Australians. No, 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.720 people vote for their local member and then the party 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:34.600 votes for the leader, right, And this just comes out 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:37.080 And I'm not having a go at her specifically, but 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:39.400 there just seems to be this view that people vote 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:40.200 for the prime minister. 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:43.160 No, they don't, that's true. However, you do tend to 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:46.000 vote for the figurehead of that party. You do tend 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.920 to think of that person as being a representation of 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:51.720 the entire party. And that's why, you know, you often 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:55.240 vote for people like Trump for example, and people like 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:57.280 if you're going to look at American politics, you know, 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:00.240 Clinton and people like that. They often are voted in 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:03.560 on their charisma or their image, and then the rest 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:06.119 of the party that stands behind them follows suit. 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:11.119 But you know, people get angry about the parties going 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.919 against the will of the people, But the reality is 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.840 the parties have the right to choose who they think 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.760 is the best leader for the time, you know, And 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:21.639 I'm not saying what they did was right or wrong, 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:26.320 you know, because you know, yes, Abbott was badly treated, 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:30.080 but Trump Turnbull was also badly treated. It happens to 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:33.520 all of them. Hayden was badly treated. You know, he 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:36.560 was possibly the best labor prime minister we never had. 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:40.399 I think though, oftentimes it's not that they think this 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:42.879 is the best for the party. They think this is 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:44.840 going to be the best for me, because I'm this 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:46.920 guy's buddy, and down the track, I'm going to get 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:49.840 a nice, neat portfolio. I'm going to get something I want. 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:53.439 So there's this game in play all the time of 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:55.720 if I can get this person. It's a game of chess, 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:57.439 isn't it. If I can get this person and I 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:00.840 can give them, I give them my support, not necessarily 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:03.040 want them in the job for the full run of 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:05.320 their job. And down the track I'm probably going to 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:07.440 stab them in the back and try and take their job. 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:10.160 So it's not necessarily I don't think it's to be honest, 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:13.159 I don't think it's ever all in the interest of 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:15.520 the party. It's in the interest of the politician. 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:20.120 Yeah, I mean, I guess in recent years have been 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:25.080 more manipulative, but you know, in days gone by, it 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:28.080 was in the interest of the party and yeah, yeah, 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:31.119 so yeah, you know, but I mean, you know, we 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:33.960 really don't get to vote for the prime minister. 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:36.959 If it was yet. That is a good point though, 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:40.359 If it was just a vote for the prime minister 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:42.359 as opposed to a vote for the party, that would 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:44.119 be interesting, wouldn't it. If you go, well, I like 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:47.080 this person, I like de vice, you know, I like 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:50.399 the you know, the the VP, I like the I 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:53.000 like this person, but I would prefer them to be 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:55.480 in the position, so I would like to put them 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:57.639 down as one for one for prime minister. 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:00.840 Yeah. Imagine the carnage you could come up with if 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:04.879 you voted the prime minister from one party and the 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:06.880 deputy from a totally different. 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:09.399 Party, putting like a fantasy football team in play. 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:13.840 Oh yeah, you don't encourage me. 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:15.760 No, that's what you're going to be doing when the 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:17.879 next time you're standing in a little cubicle, you're going 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:19.879 to just be you know, working on two bits of paper. 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:21.240 There one here. 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:25.560 By the last election, I didn't want to vote. There 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:28.200 was no one I wanted to vote for. In relation 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:35.359 to my local electorate, we were moved in back into 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:40.600 Eden mon Arrow and you know, we had eleven to 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:44.640 choose from, and none of them seemed to be interested 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:45.600 in golden. 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:47.240 Well, you know what, that was a little bit a 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:50.560 case as well of the last election in Australia. People 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:54.560 were saying, look, I'm voting for the least of the 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:56.880 two worst campaigners. 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:58.679 I voted for the letter of the two evils. 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:00.760 Yeah, a letter of the two evils. That's exactly right. 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:05.399 And it's really said that they really don't seem to 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:08.359 be a lot any you know, many decent politicians around. 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:10.880 That's so funny. I've talked about that before and I've said, 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:13.840 you know, what happened to those people that were great leaders, 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:16.480 who were you know, inspirers and people that you wanted 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:18.400 to you know, as opposed to well, he's a guy 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:20.000 in a suit and tie who's just telling me. 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:20.679 Things you're not. 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:24.959 I mean, you know, people there's differing views about Howard, 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:29.399 but he was a statesman. Keating Fraser to a certain 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:33.200 extent was a statesman. Whitlam. You know, but that year 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:36.040 has long gone and they're just in there for what 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:37.280 they can get for themselves. 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:39.600 Yeah, and it's a three year plan with all governments. 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:41.360 I always say that, you know, like go in there 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:43.120 with the ten year plan. They don't have a ten 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:45.679 year plan because they're looking towards the next three years 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:48.439 and hopefully saying, you know, we'll get this done in 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:51.280 three years when there's no there's no cash to usually 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:53.680 do that. You know, it's just I'm going to tell 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:55.520 you what you want for the time being so I 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:58.240 can get elected and then you know, hopefully three years 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:00.000 down the track you'll forget what I promise you. 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:02.960 Well, I think Labour's now probably got a six or 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:05.080 nine year plan because they'll be into the next. 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:06.639 Couple of the Actually, well, you know, it's funny a 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:08.800 lot of people say that. A lot of people have said, well, 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:11.359 here goes six years. I don't know if that's the case. 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:13.720 If you know, the Libs could come up with somebody that, 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:15.879 you know, like we talk about Tony Abbott, but if 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:17.959 the Libs could come up with somebody who you know, 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:21.440 re energizes the party and the country. I don't think 0:21:21.480 --> 0:21:24.639 that necessarily it's a fake complete that you know that 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:26.600 Labor have got six years out of this. 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:30.800 But see, I think liberal and it's not just federally 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:36.240 liberal state wise as well, are just shooting themselves in 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:39.879 the foot. I don't know, if you follow Act politics 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:46.040 at all, Labor has been in power in the Act 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:51.560 for over twenty years because the Liberal Party just is 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:54.560 you know, they're just interested in the power, you know, 0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:59.720 changing leaders and getting the power themselves. I live there 0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:03.399 for thirty odd years and still follow it, and you know, 0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:05.919 people are sick of Labor, but there isn't an alternative. 0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:08.439 That's it, you know, And there's never there's never a 0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:10.280 good third party alternative, isn't it. 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:13.480 No, And you know that's how it is federally, and 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:15.919 that's starting to be how it's going New South Wales 0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:16.359 as well. 0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:20.359 Penny Ring anytime, You're most welcome and I've been lovely 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:20.800 talking to you. 0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:23.479 Thank you. And I survived the minus ten the other night. 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:26.080 Yeah, okay, I saw that. Yeah it was it was 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:28.679 it actually about what minus one, I think, but it 0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:29.760 felt like minus ten. 0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:33.040 Oh no, it was actually it was actually minus ten. 0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:35.919 It was minus ten and I was up at five 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:37.679 point thirty when it was minus ten to go to 0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:39.360 the railway station to go to Sydney. 0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:42.560 It was I can imagine. Did you have the wind 0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:44.960 as well, because you get some nasty winds around Golbin area. 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:50.000 Didn't feel it that much. I dashed out to the 0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:51.120 taxi when it came. 0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:52.920 To kissing out and that'sh. 0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:55.480 From the taxi into the station and stayed near the 0:22:55.520 --> 0:22:56.440 iron until the track. 0:22:57.240 --> 0:23:02.160 That's right, sitting around a cigarette trying to pep. Nice 0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:04.080 to talk you, Benny, Thanks so much. One three, one 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:05.679 eight seven three is the phone number. And I'll get 0:23:05.720 --> 0:23:08.800 to your text as well after this twenty four minutes 0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:11.800 to one. Hello, Randy. My day isn't made until I 0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:14.520 get your text every morning. Zero four six zero eight 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:16.639 seven three eight seven three. Let me get through a 0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:18.840 few more of these texts as well. Tugs says that 0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:24.040 Trug's comments are an abomination. On the Nagasaki Hiroshima two 0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:27.800 hundred thousand citizens who were wiped out, and he said 0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:30.960 that the entire generations of innocent families were wiped out. 0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:35.000 No Iran bombing was anything like that. Joyce says Phil, 0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:37.600 I think Labor and Turncoake did so much damage to Tony. 0:23:37.760 --> 0:23:40.280 I don't think he'd want to come back. And Carol 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:43.080 also agrees that Tony Abbott's time has come and gone. 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:46.239 We need younger, more vibrant people, and a doer and 0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:48.959 a goer, but people don't seem to want to do it. 0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:51.240 That's the other issue, isn't it, though, Carol. There's just 0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:55.800 no appetite anymore for people to get into politics. And 0:23:55.880 --> 0:23:58.479 as from Joy, if voters vote Liberal Party in all 0:23:58.560 --> 0:24:01.000 the seats, Tony was the leader, So if Libs get 0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:06.400 more seats than Labor Green's NAT's then that I don't 0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:08.720 know where this is going, but anyway, basically you're saying 0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:11.199 that you would like Tony Abbott. I think from that 0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:12.640 A lot of times when I go to the texts, 0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:14.399 it gets into auto spell and we end up in 0:24:14.400 --> 0:24:16.600 all kinds of trouble. Tom says in the US they 0:24:16.640 --> 0:24:19.360 vote specifically for the president. They vote separately for their 0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:22.399 local rep in the House of Representatives. Thank you for that. 0:24:22.800 --> 0:24:25.240 And also a couple of other texts coming through here, Chris, 0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:27.440 how are you mating? Chris's one's really long. I'm sure 0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:29.679 you'll be ringing me a little bit later on this morning. 0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:32.399 I felt I would welcome Tony Abbott back as the 0:24:32.480 --> 0:24:35.880 PM at a heartbeat. Malcolm Turnbull covered in the role 0:24:36.200 --> 0:24:38.879 and what he did to Abbott was despicable, said Mary. 0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:40.560 And that's true, and that's what we were saying before 0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:42.480 when I was having a chat with Penny was that, 0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:44.080 you know, a lot of these people aren't in it 0:24:44.119 --> 0:24:46.360 for the party, They're in it for themselves, and if 0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:49.440 it's a way for them to somehow work a little 0:24:49.480 --> 0:24:52.160 chess game for themselves to get what they want, then 0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:55.960 there's no loyalty to anybody. David, I'm glad you rang. 0:24:56.000 --> 0:24:58.959 I was talking to John Stanley about how people are 0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:03.919 spending up to six figures for leg lengthening surgery instead 0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:06.720 of going to therapy to deal with their height, and 0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:08.399 you were telling me that you had something that happened 0:25:08.440 --> 0:25:10.359 to you that made you taller. Is that right, David, 0:25:10.359 --> 0:25:10.760 good morning. 0:25:10.840 --> 0:25:14.520 I grew over a centimeader. It took it fore operations, 0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:17.760 but I was already six fot two when I went in, 0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:21.600 So really, you didn't really need it wasn't really yet. No, 0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:28.440 it wasn't for heightening. But yeah, I've had eight prosthetic 0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:32.600 discs put in my back eight and wow, yep, and 0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:37.480 I've had seven levels feared and I've got two or 0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:39.760 three loose crews in my back aster we speak. I've 0:25:39.760 --> 0:25:43.680 had nearly thirty operations on my spine or thirty procedures 0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:48.439 all up, and God, I think I had traction for 0:25:48.480 --> 0:25:49.840 about three years. 0:25:49.920 --> 0:25:53.280 Almost what happened in the first place to cause all this, then. 0:25:53.240 --> 0:26:00.359 David, It's called Suman's disease, genetic genetic disease. Both my 0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:04.720 my father had and my mum had a too, actually 0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:06.800 or a different kind of carthosis. 0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:08.600 But yeah, and so what happens. 0:26:08.720 --> 0:26:11.320 That's when I got the double dose of imagine what 0:26:11.440 --> 0:26:18.040 happens with it? Oh, just absolute steering pain. I had 0:26:18.080 --> 0:26:24.119 my first usion at the age of thirty eight. I 0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:27.399 was forcibly retired at the age of forty one, so 0:26:27.480 --> 0:26:33.480 about three years later. Wow, yeah, And then I luckily 0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:37.040 found a paintsman he could printed well private hospital who 0:26:38.240 --> 0:26:43.600 those paint surgeons are absolutely next level. My foot has 0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:47.159 been paralyzed for the last twelve months. I've had no 0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:47.840 feeling in it. 0:26:48.119 --> 0:26:50.200 Have you got foot drop or is it just paralyzed? 0:26:50.640 --> 0:26:53.960 No, No, it's paralyzed. And I had a DV to 0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:57.760 it like a blood clot, and everybody was saying it 0:26:57.800 --> 0:27:00.760 was coming from that, and nobody could sort of work 0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:03.679 out why it was doing what it was doing, and 0:27:03.760 --> 0:27:06.560 sure enough, it was actually coming from my back. And 0:27:06.600 --> 0:27:10.639 I had surgery last Saturday, and I'm already starting to 0:27:10.680 --> 0:27:14.880 get feeling and moving in my toes again, of course, 0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:16.800 I can imagine for twelve months. 0:27:17.119 --> 0:27:19.360 So what happened leading up to the age of thirty eight? 0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:21.359 Did it just get worse and worse and you know, 0:27:21.480 --> 0:27:23.800 sort of degenerating the spine? Is that what eventually? 0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:27.600 I remember? Yeah, exactly, But I remember you saying a 0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:31.359 while ago you're talking about growing pains, that taller people 0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:32.160 have growing pains. 0:27:32.200 --> 0:27:34.280 Yeah, people who were taller need to. 0:27:34.200 --> 0:27:37.720 Always get growing pains in the back. When I was younger, 0:27:37.760 --> 0:27:40.400 and so did my father, and that's what we used 0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:42.000 to call them growing pains. In fact, when I was 0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:43.600 eight years old, I had a heat lamp on my 0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:49.240 back right at night to help with the pain. But yeah, no, 0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:52.520 it was it was just I started getting shooting pain 0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:56.680 down my legs, down the back of my buttocks. 0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:57.440 Like a psiatic or something like. 0:27:57.440 --> 0:28:00.000 That, very similar to thots. So they could get up 0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:03.560 or five. It's one done. I've had most of my 0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:08.399 lumbard done and two levels up in the neck and 0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:10.560 there's more to come at certain never ending. 0:28:10.720 --> 0:28:13.320 Yeah, I can imagine, mate. Well you know, you know, 0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:15.520 I obviously feel sympathy for you too with a bad 0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:18.200 back and nothing compared to yours. So okay, at the 0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:20.479 age of thirty eight, and then did they how many 0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:22.919 different operations did you have to have to have all 0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:23.560 eight removed? 0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:27.680 There? Almost just for the fusions and the deer set 0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:34.439 was done in two goes. Right, But I've had thirty procedures. 0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:35.960 All that's amazing. 0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:39.960 And then most pain clinnic just to keep me going. 0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:44.640 They go in with a radio frequency machine and they 0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:48.360 fry my nerve roots in my spine to turn the 0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:52.280 pain off to my brain. They're amazing. Yeah, these paint 0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:55.440 versions are really quite amazing what they can do. 0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:58.760 I mean the upside as you mentioned. The upside as 0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:01.680 you mentioned is that you're taller. You were already time 0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:02.000 in the. 0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:05.120 First place, six foot two to six foot two point one. 0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:06.880 Yeah, two point one. There you go. So is it 0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:08.840 nearly over now? Are you okay? You're nearly at the 0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:09.600 end of this road? 0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:13.040 No, Well, I'm just starting to get feeling back in 0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:15.840 my left leg. It's been so paralyzed for a year now, 0:29:17.120 --> 0:29:19.520 so I've got a bit of a long run on 0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:23.600 physio with that. I see the surgeon next Monday, so 0:29:23.840 --> 0:29:25.640 I'm sure she'll be able to the moon to find 0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:29.600 out that to get a great job, and it actually worked. 0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:32.680 But no, this is a lifelong I think you can 0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:37.440 and there's no cure. And the neurosurgeons have just said, 0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:39.800 you know, it just looks every quarter four or five 0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:43.280 years you're going to be needing the major surgery and 0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:46.120 you just need upkeep with the pain clinic to keep 0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:47.520 you keep you going. 0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:51.080 And has the surgery advanced in a way that's able 0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:53.120 to help you more than it was, say thirty years ago. 0:29:53.240 --> 0:29:55.800 They got like continual advances in this procedure. 0:29:56.000 --> 0:30:02.000 Absolutely, they're now doing spinal fusion with live seats, right, so, 0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:06.320 and so you don't need to sort of go back 0:30:06.320 --> 0:30:09.280 and have X ray the day after the surgery de 0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:13.480 checked the screw and ride placements are correct. They all 0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:17.120 do that in life live at least dates. 0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:22.360 Yeah, And how many MRIs have you had? Hundreds of them? 0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:27.320 Right, I'd have to say at at least twelve probably, yeah, yeah, 0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:31.880 and at least eight bone scams, nuclear bone scam seats, 0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:32.920 you name it, I've had it. 0:30:33.480 --> 0:30:35.280 You know, I made a rookie era and the last 0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:38.440 MRI I had. You know, when they give you the 0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:41.240 ear plugs to put in your ear. I was too busy. 0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:42.920 I always like to make a little joke when I 0:30:42.960 --> 0:30:45.040 go in and say to the people, you know, what 0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:47.360 movie are we showing in this particular one? What movie? 0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:49.920 So I was too busy clanning around, and I didn't 0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:53.480 put the didn't you know, pinch the plugs to put 0:30:53.480 --> 0:30:55.680 them in my ear properly, so they weren't quite in there. 0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:58.000 And then they put their headphones over and then you 0:30:58.000 --> 0:30:59.640 you know that the ear mups over and then you 0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:01.720 lie in there and as you well know, you can't 0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:04.200 move an inch otherwise you'll get a refraction and then 0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:06.120 it looks like something else that you know that may 0:31:06.200 --> 0:31:08.360 or may not be happening. So I was lying in 0:31:08.400 --> 0:31:10.680 there and I immediately knew what i'd done. And for 0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:13.720 anybody that's never had an MRI, it's like it's like 0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:16.600 being in the worst techno disco you've ever been. It's 0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:21.520 just it's do do do, but it's extremely about and 0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:23.760 I lay there I thought, oh, and I can't even 0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:26.480 move an inch to try and stop this. So it 0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:29.520 was a total rookie mistake. Well, mate, I totally feel 0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:32.320 for you. I mean, I want to say that you've 0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:35.560 taken the attention away from my sore toe. So yeah, 0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:37.280 so thanks for that. You know, I'm not getting any 0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:38.920 more sympathy now, not thanks to you. 0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:41.640 You know what happened on my last MRI. What was 0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:45.360 that talking about MRIs? I forgot to tell them that 0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:51.120 I was wearing a Norse span pan patch. Oh no, yeah, 0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:57.600 and it heats up with magnetic like course. 0:31:58.120 --> 0:31:58.320 Yeah. 0:31:58.440 --> 0:31:59.440 Yeah, it. 0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:05.880 Delivered four times the dose instantly, and I started clamming 0:32:05.960 --> 0:32:09.000 up for passing out there and I couldn't stop because 0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:12.880 I was shaking. I was having a multine overdose. And yeah, 0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:15.520 they had to stop it and they finally worked out 0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:18.840 what had happened. Yeah, and I forgot to tell them 0:32:18.880 --> 0:32:20.440 that I was wearing a pane perch. 0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:22.520 I saw a story and I couldn't believe it in 0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:26.200 America where somebody had taken a gun into an MRI 0:32:26.480 --> 0:32:28.920 with them, I don't know what they helped, Yeah, I know, 0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:30.960 and of course the bloody thing went off. But you know, 0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:34.840 you know they ask you that really long questionnaire when 0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:36.600 you get in the MRI. You know, have you had 0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:40.120 any you know, anything implants, anything, blah blah blah. There's 0:32:40.120 --> 0:32:41.840 no question. I looked at it and there was no question, 0:32:41.960 --> 0:32:43.640 says do you have a gun in your underpants? 0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:44.120 You know? 0:32:44.280 --> 0:32:47.800 So, I guess it was kind of hang on, I 0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:50.480 forgot about that, mate, Good of torture. Keep in touch, David. 0:32:50.800 --> 0:32:54.680 You doing well, Matete. Thank you. That's David, you know, 0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:57.200 again taking all of the attention away from my swre. 0:32:57.320 --> 0:32:59.560 So I can't go on about that anymore. One three, one, 0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:02.280 eight and three is the phone number text zero four 0:33:02.400 --> 0:33:04.680 six zero eight seven three eight seven three and the 0:33:04.720 --> 0:33:07.600 email overnights at two GB dot com. It's fourteen to one, 0:33:08.400 --> 0:33:10.200 coming up to eleven minutes to one. I'm going to 0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:12.360 have your company this morning. Here's an email from the 0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:14.920 Stephen We were talking about Tony Abbott and he says 0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:17.680 Tony was crucified and would be the best person to 0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:20.240 lead the Liberals. And I agree, maybe that could be 0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:22.680 on the table. Another text here, this one from Barbara 0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:26.760 saying that Tony Abbott wasn't the only person that Turnbull destroyed. 0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:29.520 First it was Peter King because Turnbull wanted the seat 0:33:29.520 --> 0:33:33.040 of Wentworth. Next came Brendan Nelson because Turnbull wanted to 0:33:33.040 --> 0:33:37.280 be the party leader. Turnbull has formed, says Barbara. JJ 0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:41.000 says with a leg lengthening. Surely feel your pulling my leg? Well, no, 0:33:41.240 --> 0:33:43.240 because if it was me doing it, I'd have a 0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:46.280 lot more money in the bank. And who else is 0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:48.160 sending me through text here too? Let me just have 0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:49.400 a look at these and then I'm going to go 0:33:49.480 --> 0:33:52.040 back to something that I wanted to play for you before, 0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:54.920 and it was from somebody who was overseas. Here it 0:33:54.960 --> 0:33:56.960 is David. He says, I'm listening to you from Type 0:33:57.000 --> 0:34:00.600 Ai in Taiwan tomorrow. I'll be in Shanghai in China, 0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:04.360 and I arrived in Shanghai two hours before you start 0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:06.880 at midnight. You really go around, don't you. You're always 0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:09.560 on the plane, always off somewhere. This one from Mary, 0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:13.680 I'd welcome Tony Abbott back in a heartbeat. Turnbull covered 0:34:13.719 --> 0:34:16.440 the role and what he did to Abbott was despicable. 0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:18.440 I think I've did that one before. Marian also said 0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:21.839 where's Bob Menzies when you need him? Mixed said Phil 0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:25.280 Did I hear you on John Stanley's show before ten pm? 0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:29.080 Long bit of audio from you back in the nineteen nineties? 0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:31.600 I know, because you know John has that segment where 0:34:31.600 --> 0:34:34.160 they play audio from years gone by, and I have to. 0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:36.040 I should actually go no, hang on, every time you 0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:38.880 play audio from me from years gone by, you have 0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:41.000 to pay me fifty dollars. So at least I can 0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:43.880 get some kind of royalties on that too. A friend 0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:46.919 of mine caused a stir at the airport when their 0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:49.600 gun decided. Their son decided to pick a to pack 0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:51.560 a toy gun in one of the bags without telling them, 0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:54.160 said Joe. When I was a kid, I had this thing. 0:34:54.239 --> 0:34:57.840 There was a toy and it was a Secret Agent 0:34:57.880 --> 0:35:01.400 toy in the Secret Agent doll was Joe ninety. And 0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:04.360 I had a Joe ninety briefcase with one of the 0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:08.000 secret compartments, and one of the secret apartments had a 0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:11.160 plastic gun in it. And I remember going through the 0:35:11.200 --> 0:35:14.520 security and the security guy actually laughing when he'd opened 0:35:14.520 --> 0:35:15.880 He'd got, oh, I hope you're not going to shoot 0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:17.840 anybody with this. I mean I was only about sixty 0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:19.919 years of age. I can still remember that. Imagine trying 0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:23.320 to do that these days, though. Would Tony Abbott hold 0:35:23.360 --> 0:35:25.720 a fire hose? Well, I think he would, and also 0:35:25.760 --> 0:35:28.680 he'd probably not only because he's also a volunteer, isn't he, 0:35:28.800 --> 0:35:31.040 So he'd also come out with a bit of soot 0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:33.640 on him too. Hey, Phil, my local counsel in Sydney 0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:36.080 is proposing fines if your beIN is out on the 0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:38.719 curb for more than twenty four hours on Ben Night, 0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:41.440 says James, I was talking about that before. I mean, 0:35:41.480 --> 0:35:43.839 come on, there's so many other things going on at 0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:46.680 the moment. Do you really think it's important to crack 0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:49.680 down on things like bin's being out on the street 0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:53.520 too long or they need a permit? There's so much crap, 0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:57.319 isn't there? With local counselors? There really is? Like I said, 0:35:57.360 --> 0:36:00.000 the people that run for local council, really they're just there. 0:36:00.000 --> 0:36:02.399 There are people that have been on a hold too 0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:05.000 long trying to get on talkback radio and they can't 0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:07.120 see any clouds outside the yell at, so they go, 0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:08.880 you know what, I'm going to join my local council 0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:12.360 and make things difficult for everybody. Marion says, what about 0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:17.320 Chris for PM? Are careful what you wish for there? Okay, 0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:19.719 you don't want to. You don't want to have that happen. 0:36:19.760 --> 0:36:22.560 You don't want to what's the expression wave a red 0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:23.600 rag in front of a bull? 0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:24.040 Phil? 0:36:24.040 --> 0:36:25.839 I agree with you, Tony Abbot is a very fit, 0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:30.360 active sixty year old something, so I would vote for 0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:34.439 him in an instant. He remained very community minded, which 0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:36.920 is to be admired. Thank you for your text, Jackie, 0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:39.440 and Paul says Tony Abbott would win in a canter 0:36:39.840 --> 0:36:43.400 Terry Barnes thinks he's too old. Well, I think he 0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:45.920 said that it's probably I think Terry's we'll talk to 0:36:45.960 --> 0:36:47.600 him about that later on this morning. I think he 0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:50.080 said that maybe he won't have the appetite for it 0:36:50.160 --> 0:36:54.000 because he's too old. Now, Susan Lee, this is what 0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:56.080 got me onto It was talking at the National Press 0:36:56.080 --> 0:36:59.560 Club making an election review, which sounded to me a 0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:00.600 little bit like an excuse. 0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:04.640 To be honest, these numbers reflect a deep and growing disconnect. 0:37:06.080 --> 0:37:10.520 We respect to the election outcome with humility, we accept 0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:15.400 it with contrition, and we must learn from it with conviction. 0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:19.880 The Australian people need a strong and effective alternative to 0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:23.960 vote for at the next election. Our first step is 0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:27.840 to listen so we properly understand how we can improve. 0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:33.600 Last week, we appointed Prue Goward and Nick Minchin to 0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:37.360 conduct a route and branch review of the election result. 0:37:37.880 --> 0:37:39.320 Their review will. 0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:43.400 Be frank and fearless, ensuring a thorough and honest assessment 0:37:43.920 --> 0:37:45.799 of what went wrong and how we can fix it. 0:37:46.719 --> 0:37:49.360 The review will conclude by the end of the year 0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:50.880 and it will be made public. 0:37:51.920 --> 0:37:54.120 We can do better, and we will do better. 0:37:54.320 --> 0:37:56.279 Well, that's it in a nutshell. Isn't it really a 0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:58.600 no disrespect to Susan Lee? And also, as I said, 0:37:58.600 --> 0:38:02.319 she's really inherited herself forward for the poison chalice. But 0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:06.080 you know, it sounded like something HR was saying to 0:38:06.120 --> 0:38:10.160 you when they reviewed your position at the workplace. In 0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:12.319 my opinion, that's what it sounded like. It sounded like 0:38:12.680 --> 0:38:15.359 it's you know, what you need is somebody going up 0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:17.279 there and going, Okay, we were crap, weren't we. 0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:18.399 Boy? 0:38:19.320 --> 0:38:22.759 We were rubbish, weren't we? And what you want us 0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:25.120 to do is not be rubbish anymore? Well, what are 0:38:25.120 --> 0:38:26.799 we going to do about that? We're not going to 0:38:26.800 --> 0:38:29.080 be rubbish anymore. How are we going to do that? Well, 0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:30.200 let me have a look at the list of the 0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:31.799 things that you want me to do. You want me 0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:35.279 to fix defence. Okay, sure, first things first, we're going 0:38:35.320 --> 0:38:37.480 to fix the defense. Great, tick that off, that's what 0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:41.000 you want what's the second thing, Well, cost of living's 0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:43.560 too expensive. Okay, well let's sort that out. If there's 0:38:43.560 --> 0:38:46.399 a monopoly with supermarkets, we'll sort that out. Third thing, 0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:49.440 can't afford our house? Okay, well let's try and figure 0:38:49.480 --> 0:38:53.919 that out. Maybe there's issues with you know, too many people, 0:38:54.040 --> 0:38:56.520 not enough houses, tradees, don't want to get into the 0:38:56.560 --> 0:38:59.040 business anymore. Okay, three things. Tick them off. Let's go 0:38:59.080 --> 0:39:00.920 and fix that up to you next week. You know, 0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:03.080 if you've probably said that, you'd go, oh, call crikey. 0:39:03.960 --> 0:39:07.360 They're good, aren't they They're productive. That's the kind of 0:39:07.360 --> 0:39:11.440 people I'd like to vote for. None of the corporate words, 0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:14.200 salad speak anymore. Just get to the point, like you know, 0:39:14.280 --> 0:39:16.319 even Donald Trump would say it, you know, use a 0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:19.400 couple of profanities. I think what's coming up this morning? 0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:22.799 And of Brady, the UK correspondent, the host of round Table, 0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:24.600 will have a catch up with him and talk about 0:39:24.600 --> 0:39:27.760 the UK report. I read something really interesting that's happening 0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:30.280 in the UK. I want to run by him. Doctor 0:39:30.360 --> 0:39:33.759 Carl's not here this morning, but Bianca no Grady is 0:39:33.800 --> 0:39:36.440 a freelance science journalist and author. I'm going to call 0:39:36.520 --> 0:39:40.200 her brainy Bianca because I've given her some of your questions. 0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:43.520 One of them is just absolutely brilliant. What color is 0:39:43.560 --> 0:39:46.879 a mirror? She says she can answer that. So that's 0:39:46.920 --> 0:39:48.520 on the way after one, and we've got a really 0:39:48.600 --> 0:39:50.719 packed show taking us all the way through to five 0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:52.160 thirty this morning, so I hope you can stay with 0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:54.719 so much great stuff I want to tell you about 0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:57.120 this morning that I found out about climate change is 0:39:57.120 --> 0:40:01.480 going to make cheese taste awful, breath has the same 0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:05.239 signature as your fingerprints, that's amazing. And China has a 0:40:05.280 --> 0:40:07.520 mosquito size drone. I'll tell you about all that. 0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:21.880 On TWOGB, four BC and network stations. This is our 0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:25.600 Australia Overnight with Phil O'Neil, a. 0:40:25.560 --> 0:40:28.640 Couple of days away from July. Here it is Margaret, Brisbane. 0:40:28.960 --> 0:40:31.520 Twelve degrees at the moment feels like nine bit of 0:40:31.600 --> 0:40:34.080 rain on the way for Brisbane in Sydney at the moment, 0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:38.080 nine degrees feels like one. Really, that would have to 0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:40.000 be the wind that's out there at the moment. So 0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:41.759 that's the update on what's going on with the weather. 0:40:41.840 --> 0:40:43.359 Let me get to a couple of these texts as well, 0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:46.200 and I'm glad that you reminded me to do that, Margaret, 0:40:46.239 --> 0:40:49.239 but I wouldn't forget because I'm here for you too. Phil. 0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:51.600 You should announce that Jason Morrison is going to be 0:40:51.680 --> 0:40:54.120 on the show on the weekend doing the overnight show. 0:40:54.680 --> 0:40:56.279 I don't know how many of your listeners know that, 0:40:56.320 --> 0:40:58.600 but they'll be very happy, says Paul. I know that, Paul, 0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:01.640 because I came into work evening and there was Jason Morrison, 0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:04.239 who I know and I love Jason. He is one 0:41:04.239 --> 0:41:06.720 of the smartest men in the room. But he also 0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:10.680 knows talkback really really well, and he's somebody that you know. 0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:12.040 I talked to it when I was coming to do 0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:13.719 talkback a two GB. I said, make give me some 0:41:13.760 --> 0:41:15.400 advice and he said, don't do it. 0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:15.520 No. 0:41:15.560 --> 0:41:17.920 I didn't say that, but I saw him in the 0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:19.239 hallway and I said, what are you doing here? And 0:41:19.239 --> 0:41:21.759 he's filling in for Mike Levy down the track. So 0:41:21.840 --> 0:41:24.680 he said, I'm going to do some overnights and I said, 0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:29.040 you mad, are you insane? You know what it does 0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:30.520 to you right, you know what's going to happen to 0:41:30.560 --> 0:41:32.960 your body? You know your age fifteen years in a minute. 0:41:33.040 --> 0:41:34.680 And he said, no, I want to get back into 0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:36.160 the practice of doing it because I'm going to be 0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:37.799 filling in for Mike Levy and I want to salk 0:41:37.840 --> 0:41:40.359 to the listeners overnight and have a chat with him. 0:41:40.400 --> 0:41:43.840 So I'll be doing that this weekend. So that's excellent, 0:41:43.960 --> 0:41:47.960 that's brilliant for anybody that likes Jason Morrison this weekend. 0:41:47.960 --> 0:41:49.600 He'll keep you coming and give him a ring as well. 0:41:49.640 --> 0:41:54.680 He's he is, you know, talk back radio personified. And 0:41:54.719 --> 0:41:58.040 this text for the lady who's tagging sitting in for 0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:01.080 doctor Carl, can you ask a request? And I certainly will, 0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:03.600 and I'll take your questions. By the way, in just 0:42:03.640 --> 0:42:06.440 a moment. Our guest host for Doctor Carl is Bianca 0:42:06.560 --> 0:42:09.400 No Grady, and she's already been given the questions that 0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:11.520 you sent me on the text, and she's come up 0:42:11.520 --> 0:42:13.359 with a couple of her own as well. So we'll 0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:14.879 do that a little bit later on. But you want 0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:19.319 me to ask her. Can animals get embarrassed? Fantastic? I 0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:22.160 imagine they would. I imagine they would, because you know, 0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:24.200 when you've come into the house and the dog's eaten 0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:27.560 the cake and you go, Fred, did you eat that cake? 0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:30.160 And it looks all embarrassed, so I think they would, 0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:31.960 but I don't know. Maybe they just know that they're 0:42:32.000 --> 0:42:34.800 in trouble. Another one that came in here from Chris. 0:42:36.000 --> 0:42:38.880 This is how the election to elections are contrived. Phil. 0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:40.879 I was on the lawn in the north of the 0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:47.480 Parliament entry protesting the proposed carbon labor tax I was photographed, 0:42:48.080 --> 0:42:49.960 or I photographed I should say, two males from a 0:42:50.200 --> 0:42:53.799 get up group who was standing behind Tony Abbott, and 0:42:53.840 --> 0:42:57.000 they had that ditch the witch, the big poster which 0:42:57.040 --> 0:43:00.440 from memory, Miss Gillard's labor response was to use it 0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:04.239 as a weapon, declaring male misogyny. I remember that when 0:43:04.239 --> 0:43:06.680 that happened. Thanks Chris for sending that text through. I 0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:09.280 remember when that happened. And the thing is, you can't 0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:12.719 control what's going on behind you. If somebody's going to 0:43:12.760 --> 0:43:15.920 stand behind you with a poster like that, you can't 0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:19.840 weaponize that. If the person just happens to be standing somewhere, 0:43:19.920 --> 0:43:23.160 or if somebody happens to be walking past a poster 0:43:23.280 --> 0:43:26.480 that may say something inappropriate, you can't take a photo 0:43:26.600 --> 0:43:29.279 of them and then put them in the frame and say, well, 0:43:29.360 --> 0:43:32.200 that pretty much says what that person's all about. And 0:43:32.280 --> 0:43:35.560 you know anyway besides that, now that was before you know, Ai, 0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:38.200 I don't. I'm getting to the stage now where I 0:43:38.200 --> 0:43:40.640 don't believe anything my eyes can see. If I can 0:43:40.640 --> 0:43:42.799 see it with my own eyes, I don't believe it 0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:46.000 anymore unless it's actually in physical form in front of me. 0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:50.399 Otherwise I see AI and I just think, Wow, we've 0:43:50.400 --> 0:43:54.000 come a long way. But nothing feels real anymore. Phil, 0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:56.759 It's twelve degrees, but it feels like eight. What is 0:43:56.800 --> 0:43:59.399 the actual temperature? Well, where are you at the moment? 0:43:59.480 --> 0:44:01.160 Are you in Britain? Because I don't think I did 0:44:01.160 --> 0:44:03.680 the eight degrees? In Sydney it's nine and it feels 0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:06.279 like one for that person that was sending that text through, 0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:09.480 and the Brisbane one was twelve, but it feels like nine. 0:44:09.560 --> 0:44:11.479 Let me get to Jason in a sec. But let's 0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:12.920 just catch up on a couple of things that are 0:44:12.920 --> 0:44:15.000 going on in the news before we go to n 0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:17.239 de Brady, and then we have our first of the 0:44:17.400 --> 0:44:20.600 Doctor Carle questions. A series of new satellite images have 0:44:20.640 --> 0:44:23.880 painted a clearer picture of what damage was inflicted on 0:44:23.920 --> 0:44:27.120 the Iranian nuclear development sites after they were struck by 0:44:27.120 --> 0:44:31.160 the B two bombers. Carrying the bunker buster bombs, and 0:44:32.160 --> 0:44:35.040 it's being questioned as to whether or not the strikes 0:44:35.120 --> 0:44:40.279 actually obliterated the site. And this report is saying that 0:44:40.320 --> 0:44:44.800 it actually probably only set back Iran's capacity to develop 0:44:44.880 --> 0:44:47.520 nuclear weapons by a few months. How do you think 0:44:47.600 --> 0:44:51.160 Donald Trump feels about that? Well, he is absolutely furious. 0:44:51.560 --> 0:44:54.080 He's a q CNN and the New York Times of 0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:58.560 attempting to demean one of the most successful military strikes 0:44:58.600 --> 0:45:01.720 in history. Those are his words after the outlets reported 0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:05.479 leaked intelligence found that the US sites on Iran left 0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:09.440 most of its nuclear infrastructure intact, he said on his 0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:12.879 truth social with all caps. Of course, if you want 0:45:12.880 --> 0:45:14.480 to make a point, you've got to have everything in 0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:17.760 all caps. This is what he said. Fake news CNN, 0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:20.600 together with the failing New York Times, have teamed up 0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:23.719 in an attempt to demean one of the most successful 0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:27.359 military strikes in history. The nuclear strikes in Iran are 0:45:27.400 --> 0:45:30.320 completely destroyed, he wrote. While also in the Netherlands of 0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:33.279 the NATO summit, he said both the Times, as in 0:45:33.320 --> 0:45:36.040 the New York Times and CNN are getting slammed by 0:45:36.080 --> 0:45:38.880 the public, So he's not happy about that. Good news. 0:45:38.880 --> 0:45:41.920 For over one hundred and eighteen Australians airlifted out of 0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:45.680 Tel Aviv by the Royal Australian Air Force. And congratulations 0:45:45.680 --> 0:45:48.120 again to the Royal Australian Air Force for helping out. 0:45:48.160 --> 0:45:50.400 I mean, obviously they did that at the year behest 0:45:50.440 --> 0:45:54.000 of the Prime Minister, but the in fact Anthony Albaniz 0:45:54.040 --> 0:45:56.000 he said, you know, this is great news. We always 0:45:56.040 --> 0:45:59.920 prioritize the safety of Australians. A lot of people stuck. 0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:04.839 I think the Iran airspace remains closed, may reopen two 0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:10.000 o'clock GMT their time, so that's today, but yesterday in 0:46:10.040 --> 0:46:12.040 their time, of course, there's not a lot of a lot 0:46:12.040 --> 0:46:13.920 of flights out of it. Ryan at the moment, I 0:46:14.040 --> 0:46:17.040 think I saw that Aaron Molan was trapped somewhere in Israel, 0:46:17.120 --> 0:46:19.239 so why if you manage to get out. We were 0:46:19.239 --> 0:46:22.520 a bit concerned about oil prices. Well they've fallen, stock 0:46:22.600 --> 0:46:26.760 markets have jumped as the fragile sees fire between Iran 0:46:26.800 --> 0:46:28.960 and Israel holds, and that's good. There was a certain 0:46:29.000 --> 0:46:32.359 overnight presenter whose name is Phil, who said the other day, 0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:34.239 the other day, just before this, make sure you fill 0:46:34.280 --> 0:46:37.400 up your petrol tank. Well, that person whose name is 0:46:37.400 --> 0:46:40.040 phil who was doing the overnight show, was absolutely wrong 0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:44.960 about that. The US deploys its most advanced aircraft carrier 0:46:45.440 --> 0:46:49.000 towards the Middle East. That's the USS Gerald R Ford 0:46:49.120 --> 0:46:51.719 with a carrier strike group that will join a couple 0:46:51.719 --> 0:46:54.160 of others that are already there too, the USS Carl 0:46:54.280 --> 0:46:58.520 Vincent and the USS Nimits. So they are around that 0:46:58.560 --> 0:47:02.560 particular area and certainly showing a show of force. As 0:47:02.600 --> 0:47:04.279 Donald Trump says, he's not going to put up with 0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:07.080 any more nonsense. Iran thought that they would have an 0:47:07.120 --> 0:47:12.319 ally in Vladimir Russian Russian President Vladimir Putin, turns out 0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:14.400 he left them hanging, gave them a bit of a 0:47:14.440 --> 0:47:17.720 cold shoulder. And also Pakistan has said that Donald Trump 0:47:17.760 --> 0:47:20.760 has blood on his hands over the Nobel Peace Prize. Fura, 0:47:20.960 --> 0:47:26.040 you know that Pakistani opposition leader nominated Donald Trump, and 0:47:26.400 --> 0:47:27.839 I think it was in fact, quite a few people 0:47:27.880 --> 0:47:31.280 in parliament there nominated him for the Nobel Peace Prize. 0:47:31.320 --> 0:47:34.080 Now they're saying since the US strikes on nuclear sites 0:47:34.120 --> 0:47:36.839 in Iran, he no longer deserves it. And one more, 0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:38.480 and I'm going to talk about this later on this 0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:43.000 morning with Skiv, who is our cyber expert. US officials 0:47:43.040 --> 0:47:46.080 and private experts are warning that Iran may retaliate against 0:47:46.080 --> 0:47:50.319 the United States by a range of cyber attacks. So 0:47:50.400 --> 0:47:54.200 I want to find out how good their cyber attacks are, 0:47:54.680 --> 0:47:56.920 whether or not they have any kind of capability that 0:47:56.960 --> 0:48:00.520 can weakness. Skeev Stevens is our expert. Talk to him 0:48:00.520 --> 0:48:02.719 a little bit later on. Let's get to Jason. How 0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:05.000 are you made house hospital this morning? How are you feeling, buddy? 0:48:05.800 --> 0:48:08.360 Oh, yeah, as good as I can be. 0:48:08.640 --> 0:48:10.640 Oh, you sound a bit backwards, You sound a bit down? 0:48:10.680 --> 0:48:11.160 Are you okay? 0:48:13.400 --> 0:48:15.600 They'd rather be at home. But of courbviously, I haven't 0:48:15.600 --> 0:48:18.800 got the strength in the legs at the moment, so 0:48:18.800 --> 0:48:21.400 so until I get that strength back in the legs properly, 0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:25.279 I'm still using a walker at the moment, but I'm 0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:28.200 kicking all the all the goals plus a little bit 0:48:28.280 --> 0:48:30.520 more than the physios are wanting me to do. 0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:31.160 Good. 0:48:31.320 --> 0:48:34.920 So almost with the doctors and the physios at the 0:48:34.960 --> 0:48:38.000 moment I said, I said, they said, what's your goal? 0:48:38.080 --> 0:48:39.839 The other day I said, I want to be out 0:48:39.840 --> 0:48:41.240 of here with them within a month. 0:48:41.400 --> 0:48:43.040 And you'll do that too. And for the people that 0:48:43.120 --> 0:48:45.799 don't know Jason's been in hospital. He was in north Shore, 0:48:45.880 --> 0:48:49.759 has now gone off to Hornsby. He's had some major surgeries. 0:48:49.840 --> 0:48:51.480 Ringing us every night because we want to make sure 0:48:51.560 --> 0:48:54.400 that he's okay. When you came on, it sounded like 0:48:54.440 --> 0:48:56.040 you might have gone backwards a bit. But you're okay, 0:48:56.080 --> 0:48:56.880 aren't you. 0:48:56.520 --> 0:48:58.440 No, No, I just had a bit of water and 0:48:58.600 --> 0:48:59.640 just had it to be harned. 0:48:59.680 --> 0:48:59.919 Yeah. 0:49:02.239 --> 0:49:04.040 No, no, I'm definitely fine. 0:49:04.120 --> 0:49:06.520 Good. How's the rehabit going? 0:49:07.920 --> 0:49:10.080 Yeah, yeah, no, it's good. I'm kicking all the gold. 0:49:10.200 --> 0:49:13.200 So it's about one hundred and twenty meters to the gym. 0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:17.600 I'm walking down there and walking back like it's hard work. 0:49:18.040 --> 0:49:21.120 It's sore, like I said, Like I said to you before, 0:49:21.360 --> 0:49:23.400 when I had the open heart surgery back in twenty 0:49:23.440 --> 0:49:26.920 and eighteen, I was, I think, on the table for 0:49:27.000 --> 0:49:30.480 nine hours and then I woke up. And when I 0:49:30.520 --> 0:49:34.640 woke up until the day or so later in ICU 0:49:34.880 --> 0:49:36.799 with all these cords hanging over me in the nurse 0:49:36.840 --> 0:49:38.840 slapping me telling me not to use my elbows to 0:49:38.920 --> 0:49:41.120 raise up because they just put the wire in and 0:49:41.120 --> 0:49:46.840 they put my thing my chest back together and that, 0:49:46.960 --> 0:49:48.840 and then the next day they had me up sitting 0:49:48.840 --> 0:49:50.719 in the chair next to the bed. And the day 0:49:50.719 --> 0:49:53.640 after that they had me walking down, walking down the corridoro. 0:49:54.640 --> 0:49:57.239 But but this time, this time, nobody, like I said 0:49:57.239 --> 0:50:01.040 to you, nobody ever told me because it is it 0:50:01.120 --> 0:50:03.120 the amount of time that I was off my feet 0:50:03.239 --> 0:50:05.840 for Like as I said, after the surgery, I slept 0:50:05.880 --> 0:50:08.120 for five days and then it was another it was 0:50:08.120 --> 0:50:11.360 another two weeks before I actually the vigil would actually 0:50:11.440 --> 0:50:13.560 help me get out of bed and start to do 0:50:13.600 --> 0:50:17.960 some walking. And I just then that was it raw, 0:50:18.080 --> 0:50:22.640 not sure. And then now that I'm at Hornsby, I'm 0:50:22.719 --> 0:50:24.600 just kicking the goals, mate, that's all. 0:50:24.640 --> 0:50:25.000 That's all. 0:50:25.280 --> 0:50:26.080 It's all I can. 0:50:25.960 --> 0:50:28.759 Do that, and it's good. Isn't it crazy how heavy 0:50:28.800 --> 0:50:30.759 your legs can be when you haven't used them for 0:50:30.760 --> 0:50:31.160 a while. 0:50:31.560 --> 0:50:34.359 It's just like a couple of the other problem is 0:50:34.400 --> 0:50:38.560 with my diabetes. I've actually got the fluid on my legs, 0:50:39.200 --> 0:50:42.080 so that doesn't help either. And I can I do 0:50:42.160 --> 0:50:47.080 dialysis three times a week, but it's it's coming off. 0:50:47.600 --> 0:50:51.160 But but I was on osen peak because if I'm 0:50:51.280 --> 0:50:53.640 if I'm ever going to kidney transplant in the future, 0:50:54.200 --> 0:50:58.640 I need to be around about eighty k i's and 0:50:58.840 --> 0:51:01.920 I'm most probably going to about ninety one at the moment. 0:51:02.880 --> 0:51:07.800 I think ninety one, don't ninety three? Ninety one yesterday 0:51:07.840 --> 0:51:08.919 after the dialysis. 0:51:09.040 --> 0:51:10.640 Well that's good, so. 0:51:10.600 --> 0:51:13.680 I'm sitting on that. So but they've stopped the ozen 0:51:13.719 --> 0:51:16.600 peak before the surgery, yeah, and they haven't put me 0:51:16.640 --> 0:51:18.520 back on it. So I brought it up with the 0:51:18.520 --> 0:51:21.080 doctors here today and she goes, oh, osn peak's not 0:51:21.120 --> 0:51:24.040 good for your kidneys, And I said, well, I spoke 0:51:24.120 --> 0:51:27.799 to my kidney specialist who's that north Shore, and I 0:51:27.840 --> 0:51:29.960 spoke to him about him, and he said, let's wait 0:51:30.000 --> 0:51:32.600 a couple of months and then we'll kick it off. 0:51:32.640 --> 0:51:34.120 And then a couple of months later we talked to 0:51:34.160 --> 0:51:36.480 her again. He said, yeah, let's kick it off. And 0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:39.640 I was at the stage, you know how you your 0:51:39.680 --> 0:51:41.680 stomach might have a bit of weait on, but the 0:51:41.800 --> 0:51:44.080 sides of it come in and face down, you know 0:51:44.120 --> 0:51:44.440 what I mean. 0:51:44.520 --> 0:51:45.880 Yeah, now all that side stuff. 0:51:47.200 --> 0:51:48.960 I'll tell you what, though, there's some women in the 0:51:49.000 --> 0:51:51.600 Eastern suburbs are really angry that you're using that as ZMPE. 0:51:55.360 --> 0:51:58.200 You know, well, I'm allowed to it. 0:51:58.880 --> 0:52:00.719 I'll tell you what. That's no excuse. You know, they're 0:52:00.719 --> 0:52:02.200 going to go to the chemist now and get told 0:52:02.239 --> 0:52:04.319 they can't have the ezembic. It's you. They're going to 0:52:04.320 --> 0:52:05.000 be angry at. 0:52:05.719 --> 0:52:07.560 Oh that's fine, Bring it on, bring it on. 0:52:08.000 --> 0:52:11.520 Well, mate, you're doing well. Let's talk again tomorrow night 0:52:11.560 --> 0:52:13.319 and I'm glad and let's keep so let's make a 0:52:13.400 --> 0:52:15.560 date for this. Then you're going to get out of hospital. 0:52:16.040 --> 0:52:17.239 When what day are we looking at? 0:52:17.239 --> 0:52:17.399 Here? 0:52:17.400 --> 0:52:17.759 Do you want? 0:52:17.920 --> 0:52:22.120 Well, I'm saying within four weeks i've been here. This 0:52:22.200 --> 0:52:25.560 will be week two, okay, week three, week four, so 0:52:25.560 --> 0:52:29.200 so I'm saying four weeks, maybe five weeks on the outside. 0:52:29.280 --> 0:52:32.279 So that's that's that's aim for the twenty fourth, and 0:52:32.320 --> 0:52:34.080 we're all going to be behind you for you walking 0:52:34.120 --> 0:52:37.359 out twenty fourth of July. My friend, I'm going to say, 0:52:37.360 --> 0:52:39.520 I've got a text by the way for you from 0:52:39.880 --> 0:52:43.000 David who says everyone in Taiwan and China are wishing 0:52:43.000 --> 0:52:44.799 you a speedy recovery. He's listening there. 0:52:45.760 --> 0:52:47.520 Tell David, I said, thank you very much. 0:52:47.880 --> 0:52:50.680 All right, mate, we'll listen just before you go. 0:52:53.760 --> 0:52:57.279 What are we doing in Australia? I mean, I mean 0:52:58.239 --> 0:52:59.759 you can obviously tell I didn't vote. 0:53:00.080 --> 0:53:01.400 Bit, what is it? 0:53:01.440 --> 0:53:04.360 What is Albo doing? He won't stand up to he 0:53:04.440 --> 0:53:08.160 won't stand up to anybody. He's actually he's his weak 0:53:08.239 --> 0:53:10.120 as the Week's Well. I was going to say week 0:53:10.120 --> 0:53:12.319 as a kid a cat, but cats are not week. 0:53:12.680 --> 0:53:17.000 Yeah. You've been on your back for four months and 0:53:17.040 --> 0:53:19.640 you've done more work than he's done. 0:53:19.760 --> 0:53:19.960 Yeah. 0:53:20.000 --> 0:53:22.240 Well, I mean listen, listen when I when I because 0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:24.440 when I first came out of the camera and I 0:53:24.480 --> 0:53:27.520 started to wake up, my head was still all over 0:53:27.560 --> 0:53:30.520 the place from being on the drugs and being under 0:53:30.560 --> 0:53:32.200 and that and having the tube down my throat and 0:53:32.239 --> 0:53:33.680 all that, So my head. 0:53:33.480 --> 0:53:34.440 Was all over the place. 0:53:34.760 --> 0:53:38.640 And I actually thought it was twenty twenty eight. It 0:53:38.760 --> 0:53:41.520 was the twenty eighth of the month till I came out, Yeah, 0:53:41.640 --> 0:53:43.000 last month, And I actually. 0:53:42.760 --> 0:53:43.239 Thought it was so. 0:53:43.719 --> 0:53:47.239 And I was listening to the radio and some of 0:53:47.280 --> 0:53:49.160 the formats had changed, and I said, oh, on the 0:53:49.239 --> 0:53:52.360 second now, I just invoted in how can we have 0:53:52.400 --> 0:53:54.560 a liberal how can we have a liberal government? 0:53:54.800 --> 0:53:57.520 Yeah, there you go, and you turn on the radio, thought, Craiky, 0:53:57.560 --> 0:53:59.719 they've still got phill on the overnight show. He hasn't 0:53:59.719 --> 0:54:01.799 got any better mate, Jason. 0:54:01.640 --> 0:54:04.160 No, no, no, not at all, not at all. It's 0:54:04.160 --> 0:54:07.160 just it was very confusing. So I mean, I mean, listen, 0:54:08.120 --> 0:54:11.200 I mean they were already in enough edit as it is. 0:54:11.440 --> 0:54:13.160 So I don't know why Albo just doesn't bite the 0:54:13.160 --> 0:54:16.160 bullet and spend the five percent on defense. And I 0:54:16.160 --> 0:54:19.960 think that should bring back in nashows because half of 0:54:19.960 --> 0:54:23.439 our youth are sitting around doing nothing and then they're 0:54:23.440 --> 0:54:26.520 getting paid for it by our government. So I think 0:54:26.520 --> 0:54:28.399 that should bring in NA shows and that'll help bring 0:54:28.480 --> 0:54:33.319 up our our our crews and stuff like that, and 0:54:32.960 --> 0:54:35.399 and hopefully some people will go on to make I'm 0:54:35.400 --> 0:54:37.920 going to make a career out of it. Yeah, I mean, 0:54:38.120 --> 0:54:40.160 that's it, and that's that's the only way I can 0:54:40.200 --> 0:54:43.840 see that they would get enough people in is doing nashows. 0:54:43.920 --> 0:54:46.719 But they're they're two weeks. They're just two week And 0:54:47.400 --> 0:54:49.839 I mean, listen, I never voted for Tony Abbott, but 0:54:49.880 --> 0:54:51.600 I was proud to have him as my crime in 0:54:51.640 --> 0:54:52.040 the stuff. 0:54:52.080 --> 0:54:54.960 There's a there's another mate, you take care of yourself. 0:54:54.960 --> 0:54:55.879 I'm going to get to the UK. 0:54:56.440 --> 0:54:59.799 Mate, just before you go, just ender price for prime 0:54:59.840 --> 0:55:01.080 in So that's all I can say. 0:55:01.160 --> 0:55:03.000 Oh, okay, you. 0:55:02.960 --> 0:55:04.680 Won't put up with any crap from them. 0:55:04.760 --> 0:55:07.440 Let's talk tomorrow, Jason. I've gotta go. I'm got to 0:55:07.520 --> 0:55:09.719 get to the UK. Mate, Let's talk tomorrow. Take care 0:55:09.760 --> 0:55:10.920 of yourself, all right, do. 0:55:11.080 --> 0:55:13.040 Me your favorite sello the end of fine. 0:55:13.120 --> 0:55:14.680 I will. I'm going to have a chat with him 0:55:14.680 --> 0:55:16.920 in just a moment. Thank you so much. That's our mate, Jason. 0:55:16.920 --> 0:55:18.600 Who will talk to you tomorrow. And if you want 0:55:18.640 --> 0:55:20.480 to text him and give him some wishes you can 0:55:20.600 --> 0:55:23.080 zero four six zero eight seven three eight seven three 0:55:23.239 --> 0:55:24.959 off to enter in the UK after this at twenty 0:55:25.000 --> 0:55:28.320 two past one, twenty five minutes past one. By the way, David, 0:55:28.360 --> 0:55:30.200 who I spoke to about the surgery on the back, 0:55:30.480 --> 0:55:32.439 just sent me an email with some of the work 0:55:32.480 --> 0:55:34.359 that he's had done to some of these scars. He's 0:55:34.360 --> 0:55:38.120 got some of the bruising Mate. That looks pretty pretty interesting, 0:55:38.280 --> 0:55:40.920 pretty impressive there too. And I say that because I 0:55:40.960 --> 0:55:42.919 know you only sent that to me because you're trying 0:55:42.920 --> 0:55:45.720 to show me that your bruises and scars and surgery 0:55:45.920 --> 0:55:48.840 look worse than my toe. That's the only reason for it. 0:55:48.960 --> 0:55:51.640 You even mentioned that. But appreciate that, and it's good 0:55:51.680 --> 0:55:53.480 to talk to you. To David, and also Joe just 0:55:53.480 --> 0:55:55.760 sent me a textco and the satellite photos look pretty 0:55:55.760 --> 0:55:59.120 convincing to me. And the whole place was obliterated. Talking 0:55:59.120 --> 0:56:01.520 about the story with the Bunker Busters, which is being 0:56:01.760 --> 0:56:05.280 debunked by The New York Times NCNN, but Joe says 0:56:05.360 --> 0:56:08.719 these strikes should qualify Trump for the Nobel Prisurprise if 0:56:08.719 --> 0:56:11.239 they reduced the threat of nuclear conflict in the Middle 0:56:11.280 --> 0:56:14.040 East without targeting civilians. It's hard tonight because it went 0:56:14.120 --> 0:56:16.400 so far down into the ground too. You know, I 0:56:16.400 --> 0:56:18.080 think you'd have to be down there or have a 0:56:18.120 --> 0:56:21.279 camera down there to have any accurate idea of whether 0:56:21.360 --> 0:56:24.880 or not it was successful. But you know, it's certainly 0:56:25.040 --> 0:56:27.520 stopped the issues for the time being. Let's get to 0:56:27.520 --> 0:56:28.800 the UK twenty six past. 0:56:28.640 --> 0:56:33.200 One the UK Report. 0:56:35.680 --> 0:56:38.799 Hello, and how is it? Is it warm? Yeah? 0:56:38.840 --> 0:56:40.880 Do you know what, Phil, it's a little bit humid. 0:56:40.960 --> 0:56:43.080 We are mid afternoon here. What is it coming up? 0:56:43.120 --> 0:56:48.560 Half past four in the afternoon Wednesday. It's humid. It's 0:56:48.680 --> 0:56:51.000 Iran earlier on and it was quite sunny then. But 0:56:51.200 --> 0:56:54.120 the heat way we had last week has subsided. We 0:56:54.200 --> 0:56:55.880 touched Turkey celsius. 0:56:55.440 --> 0:56:57.000 Life, I know, thirty degrees. 0:56:58.239 --> 0:57:00.360 Yeah, it was it was really enjoyab all. I have 0:57:00.440 --> 0:57:03.600 to say, long time coming, of course, but what are 0:57:03.600 --> 0:57:07.000 we twenty six in London, twenty four right now here 0:57:07.000 --> 0:57:07.759 in Oxfordshire? 0:57:07.880 --> 0:57:10.080 It feels about one degree in Sydney, so you know 0:57:10.160 --> 0:57:12.200 we're taking that on a couple of things I wanted 0:57:12.239 --> 0:57:13.600 to talk to you about, but just one that came 0:57:13.680 --> 0:57:17.080 up a moment ago on Sky News. The UK is 0:57:17.360 --> 0:57:21.520 to expand nuclear deterrent, getting some new fighter jets. I noticed. 0:57:21.560 --> 0:57:23.200 Let's just come up. I don't know how across that 0:57:23.360 --> 0:57:23.840 you are. 0:57:24.520 --> 0:57:26.920 Yes, So this is a big deal. Obviously, there's a 0:57:27.000 --> 0:57:29.680 NATO summat going on right now in the Hague in 0:57:30.160 --> 0:57:34.840 the Netherlands, and President Trump is there and Keir Starmer 0:57:35.400 --> 0:57:38.120 clearly wants to be very very good friends with this 0:57:38.200 --> 0:57:42.720 American administration under Donald Trump. So the UK is going 0:57:42.760 --> 0:57:46.280 to spend some money on defense. What they're doing is 0:57:46.400 --> 0:57:51.200 getting F thirty five A fighter jets. They're capable of 0:57:51.240 --> 0:57:54.960 carrying nuclear missiles, and as it stands right now, the 0:57:55.080 --> 0:57:58.520 UK is only in a position to fire them from submarines. 0:57:59.080 --> 0:58:01.680 What they want to do is give themselves more capacity 0:58:02.200 --> 0:58:05.240 and a greater variety of their arsenal and I think 0:58:05.320 --> 0:58:07.640 all of this is a nudge and a wink and 0:58:07.680 --> 0:58:10.800 a nod towards Russia and just flexing the muscles and 0:58:10.880 --> 0:58:14.160 saying to putin you know, don't even think about pushing us. 0:58:15.200 --> 0:58:17.960 Well, at least your government's doing something about your defense, 0:58:18.080 --> 0:58:20.360 unlike here, you know, at least you're actually standing up 0:58:20.400 --> 0:58:23.160 and buying yourself some equipment. Let's talk about your government. 0:58:23.520 --> 0:58:27.840 Sakiah Stama. The UK Prime Minister is bringing forward the 0:58:27.920 --> 0:58:30.840 Trump state visit to the UK in September. But the 0:58:30.920 --> 0:58:33.120 King Charles is not happy about this. 0:58:33.200 --> 0:58:36.640 I believe no, not at all. So again this is 0:58:36.720 --> 0:58:39.800 cozying up the Trump. Trump is in Europe. Starmer wants 0:58:39.840 --> 0:58:42.880 to be the European leader who has the best relationship 0:58:42.920 --> 0:58:46.360 with Trump and this American administration. So we're already seeing 0:58:46.400 --> 0:58:48.600 the military side and the deals and the money, as 0:58:48.640 --> 0:58:51.240 I just told you about the fighter jets. What we're 0:58:51.280 --> 0:58:55.000 also hearing today is that this state visit for Donald 0:58:55.040 --> 0:58:57.720 Trump will happen this September. 0:58:58.080 --> 0:58:58.280 Now. 0:58:58.400 --> 0:59:00.560 When it was announced earlier in the year, I was 0:59:00.560 --> 0:59:04.240 told by Royal journalists and they go to briefings regularly 0:59:04.280 --> 0:59:07.160 with Palace officials, I was told this would be twenty 0:59:07.200 --> 0:59:10.360 twenty six, if not twenty seven, that is how long 0:59:10.400 --> 0:59:13.960 ahead they were planning it. And Charles's view was that yes, 0:59:14.120 --> 0:59:17.560 President Trump could come visit Scotland at some point in 0:59:17.720 --> 0:59:22.240 our autumn September October, for maybe a lunch in bal Moral. 0:59:22.560 --> 0:59:26.080 They could sit down, have a chat and start planning 0:59:26.280 --> 0:59:29.200 things that Trump would be interested in doing in twenty 0:59:29.240 --> 0:59:32.760 twenty six or twenty seven. And now we're hearing from 0:59:32.800 --> 0:59:36.439 Starmar that it's being brought forward and Trump will come 0:59:36.520 --> 0:59:40.280 on his unprecedented second state visit for a US president 0:59:40.760 --> 0:59:44.360 in September. So the government is going directly against the 0:59:44.440 --> 0:59:47.400 King's wishes. And you do wonder, you know, is that 0:59:47.480 --> 0:59:49.800 going to put Charles in a bad mood? You know, 0:59:49.880 --> 0:59:52.920 he probably thought he had twelve months to plan and 0:59:53.320 --> 0:59:56.880 think of interesting things and places to take Trump, and 0:59:56.920 --> 0:59:58.720 now it's happening in a matter of weeks. 0:59:59.160 --> 1:00:01.880 Yeah, I think he's probably Charles, he's got too many 1:00:01.920 --> 1:00:04.000 other things. He's probably trying to work too many other 1:00:04.040 --> 1:00:05.760 fires he's trying to put out at the moment too. 1:00:05.800 --> 1:00:08.000 But there you go. Before we talk about Sport, I 1:00:08.040 --> 1:00:09.640 saw this story and I wanted to talk to you 1:00:09.680 --> 1:00:13.880 about it. The British public must actively prepare for war 1:00:14.000 --> 1:00:17.960 on UK soil. According to a chilling government document. Newly 1:00:18.000 --> 1:00:22.200 published National Security Strategy said the years ahead will test 1:00:22.280 --> 1:00:25.880 the nation with a World War two style spirit needed 1:00:26.080 --> 1:00:30.280 to deal with the growing threats. Where's Winston Churchill when 1:00:30.320 --> 1:00:32.240 you need him? Have you been made aware of this? 1:00:32.280 --> 1:00:33.440 Were you aware of this document? 1:00:33.720 --> 1:00:36.800 Yes? Yes, So Look there's a few things on this film. 1:00:36.840 --> 1:00:39.360 First of all, you've got a lot of military people 1:00:39.360 --> 1:00:42.080 who aren't happy at the level of defense spending at 1:00:42.080 --> 1:00:44.600 the moment. They want the UK to get the five 1:00:44.680 --> 1:00:48.120 percent of GDP as quickly as possible. Starmar and the 1:00:48.120 --> 1:00:50.440 rest of natof come out today and said yep, we'll 1:00:50.480 --> 1:00:54.520 get to five percent both by twenty thirty five. A 1:00:54.560 --> 1:00:59.840 lot of military chiefs and people embedded in the defense system, 1:01:00.520 --> 1:01:02.840 they're coming out and saying, well, look, Putin will not 1:01:03.000 --> 1:01:05.600 stop at Ukraine. He will keep going and we need 1:01:05.640 --> 1:01:07.960 to be prepared. So what you're seeing is a lot 1:01:08.000 --> 1:01:11.560 of these reports emerging with people clearly with the vested 1:01:11.640 --> 1:01:16.040 interest in getting more money spent on defense, saber rattling 1:01:16.200 --> 1:01:18.880 and just saying a phraser. Heard the other day someone 1:01:18.920 --> 1:01:21.840 in Europe, a leader said, you know, either spend five 1:01:21.880 --> 1:01:25.440 percent or start learning Russian. That was the phrase that 1:01:25.520 --> 1:01:29.120 was used. So clearly they're very worried about the threat 1:01:29.120 --> 1:01:34.080 from Putin's Russia. And you've got to kind of read 1:01:34.160 --> 1:01:38.000 into it that a lot of these defense bosses want 1:01:38.080 --> 1:01:41.960 more money spent, and this kind of rhetoric is all 1:01:42.000 --> 1:01:46.720 aimed at pushing political leaders to dig deeper financially. 1:01:46.840 --> 1:01:49.480 And I think that powerphrase is something that goes back 1:01:49.480 --> 1:01:51.640 to the days of Dad Zama. You've been at defend 1:01:51.640 --> 1:01:53.960 your country. He'll end up having this pick German. 1:01:54.920 --> 1:01:56.160 Here we go, there you go. 1:01:56.400 --> 1:01:59.000 All right, and let's talk about one more thing. Andy Murray, 1:01:59.040 --> 1:02:02.840 who's had a really relationship with the English, because he's 1:02:02.880 --> 1:02:04.680 going to get his own statue at Wimbledon for the 1:02:04.680 --> 1:02:07.120 one hundred and fiftieth anniversary in two years. And I'd 1:02:07.160 --> 1:02:09.800 say that because being English, you know, whenever Andy Murray 1:02:09.840 --> 1:02:12.640 did well, it was come on, Andy, you've you know, 1:02:12.680 --> 1:02:15.040 you're great. And then of course when he didn't do well, 1:02:15.080 --> 1:02:17.200 everyone would go wells Scottish, you know. 1:02:20.080 --> 1:02:23.520 So he is going to get his own statue at Wimbledon, 1:02:23.600 --> 1:02:25.720 and I'm really happy for him. I have no problem 1:02:25.760 --> 1:02:29.120 with Andy Murray whatsoever. I think him, his brother, his mother, 1:02:29.720 --> 1:02:32.320 they have done so much for sport in this country. 1:02:32.640 --> 1:02:34.680 I mean you think he comes from a town called 1:02:34.760 --> 1:02:39.200 Dunblane in Scotland. Yeah, not renowned as a sporting hub 1:02:39.280 --> 1:02:43.600 until the Murray's came along. A terrible, terrible thing happened 1:02:43.640 --> 1:02:46.920 there in ninety five ninety six when there was a 1:02:46.960 --> 1:02:51.200 school shooting which changed gun law forever in the United Kingdom. 1:02:51.240 --> 1:02:53.760 Andy Murray and his brother were actually in that school 1:02:53.920 --> 1:02:57.480 on that day and he went off. His mum, Judy, 1:02:57.560 --> 1:03:01.080 took him to Spain into the He's kind of elite 1:03:01.400 --> 1:03:04.959 tennis coaching academies. His brother has had a wonderful career 1:03:05.000 --> 1:03:07.840 as a doubles player. He has won titles, and Andy 1:03:08.200 --> 1:03:12.080 has won US Open, and he's won Wimbledon twice, and 1:03:12.120 --> 1:03:15.120 he won two Olympic gold medals. And yes, he gets 1:03:15.160 --> 1:03:17.640 some criticism for people saying, oh, he didn't win as 1:03:17.680 --> 1:03:20.760 much as Nadal and Federer and Djokovic. I think he 1:03:20.920 --> 1:03:23.960 was really unlucky to live in the era of those 1:03:24.080 --> 1:03:26.880 three guys. And he still came out with three slams 1:03:26.880 --> 1:03:30.320 and two Olympic gold medals. So Wimbledon will celebrate it's 1:03:30.360 --> 1:03:33.920 one hundred and fiftieth anniversary in twenty twenty seven, and 1:03:33.960 --> 1:03:36.520 the plan is that Andy Murray will get his own 1:03:36.600 --> 1:03:40.640 statue at Wimbledon to mark the occasion. Good luck to him. 1:03:40.720 --> 1:03:43.320 I absolutely agree, although again it goes back to being 1:03:43.400 --> 1:03:45.280 English and him not winning, and then we go, well, 1:03:45.280 --> 1:03:47.600 you know, he's Scottish. We have a similar relationship with 1:03:47.640 --> 1:03:50.200 anybody from New Zealand, like Russell Crowe. You know, we 1:03:50.240 --> 1:03:53.160 love Russell and he's Australian, unless, of course, he loses 1:03:53.320 --> 1:03:54.880 the Oscar. Then we go, well, you know, he's not 1:03:54.920 --> 1:03:56.640 actually Australian, he's from New Zealand. 1:03:59.240 --> 1:04:03.720 Oh look, Andy made one little stupid gag on radio 1:04:04.240 --> 1:04:06.880 during a soccer tournament years ago. I remember, I think 1:04:06.880 --> 1:04:09.880 he was talking with Tim Henman. Tim Henman, of course 1:04:09.920 --> 1:04:13.720 famously English, and he's approded scott and someone said to 1:04:13.800 --> 1:04:15.600 him who will you be cheering for at this World 1:04:15.600 --> 1:04:20.800 Cup and he flippantly jokingly said anyone but England and 1:04:20.840 --> 1:04:24.600 that gets played over and over and he's got a 1:04:24.680 --> 1:04:27.800 sense to humor. He can't win, but I personally I 1:04:27.840 --> 1:04:31.680 love the guy. I absolutely think he is brilliant and 1:04:31.720 --> 1:04:33.280 I can't wait to see what he does next. 1:04:33.400 --> 1:04:35.400 We love that about you too, when we can't wait 1:04:35.440 --> 1:04:37.280 to talk to you next week. In the meantime, stay 1:04:37.360 --> 1:04:39.800 hydrated and don't forget to stretch the hemmies before you 1:04:39.880 --> 1:04:43.560 hit the right friend, Phil, thank you and the Brady 1:04:43.560 --> 1:04:45.800 there are UK Correspondent. I've got a text here that 1:04:45.880 --> 1:04:47.760 just came through a moment ago from Michael who said, 1:04:47.800 --> 1:04:50.320 can you tell me the score between Australia and West 1:04:50.360 --> 1:04:52.680 Indies because I can't get it and I can't receive 1:04:52.680 --> 1:04:54.960 it on the app. And Chris just rang me from 1:04:54.960 --> 1:04:57.160 the sorry, I should say, ran in from the studio 1:04:57.240 --> 1:04:59.360 next door from the Wheels of Steel and he gave 1:04:59.400 --> 1:05:01.000 me the score and do you think I can find 1:05:01.040 --> 1:05:02.760 it now? In front of me? He gave me put 1:05:02.760 --> 1:05:05.880 it in my hand. So if anybody knows what or 1:05:05.960 --> 1:05:09.080 how he can get involved in that by watching that 1:05:09.160 --> 1:05:11.640 on the app or seeing it on the app, please 1:05:12.160 --> 1:05:14.040 you know, get in touch now Texas on zero four 1:05:14.120 --> 1:05:16.280 six zero eight seven three eight seven three. Here it 1:05:16.320 --> 1:05:21.400 is so Australia versus West Indies first innings Australia forty 1:05:21.440 --> 1:05:24.160 one for three yet to bat. I don't know much 1:05:24.160 --> 1:05:26.960 about cricket, so I hope, I said, that right. Australia 1:05:27.000 --> 1:05:30.920 forty one for three yet to bat first Test first innings. 1:05:31.760 --> 1:05:34.240 So if you want to give me any more updates 1:05:34.280 --> 1:05:36.120 on that, by all means do But I think that 1:05:36.280 --> 1:05:38.200 the deal is that with Michael, he wants to find 1:05:38.280 --> 1:05:40.280 how he can get it on an app. Can you 1:05:40.320 --> 1:05:42.600 help him out? Zero four six zero eight seven three 1:05:42.720 --> 1:05:45.160 eight seven three twenty five to two. I can't wait 1:05:45.200 --> 1:05:47.680 to find out the answers to some of your great 1:05:47.840 --> 1:05:52.440 questions for doctor Carl and clever bi anchor. Braandy Biancher 1:05:52.520 --> 1:05:54.360 is sitting in next She'll have a guar at those 1:05:54.400 --> 1:05:57.280 for you. Twenty one to two. Thanks Viv. You can 1:05:57.320 --> 1:06:00.760 get the cricket on ESPN, Disney and KO now instead 1:06:00.800 --> 1:06:03.800 of doctor carb This warning answering your questions, It's Biancer, 1:06:03.880 --> 1:06:06.080 No Grady, Do I call you doctor Biancher? 1:06:06.400 --> 1:06:07.360 Ah kay if you like. 1:06:07.440 --> 1:06:10.040 It's not technically my title, but I'm happy to take it. 1:06:10.240 --> 1:06:11.520 What about brainy bi anchor? 1:06:14.040 --> 1:06:16.760 Yes, good at improvising, Bianca might work you go. 1:06:16.920 --> 1:06:18.880 Let's get to some of these questions and I love them. 1:06:18.920 --> 1:06:21.760 This one from Paul. When you're standing on the shoreline, 1:06:22.080 --> 1:06:25.320 how far away is the horizon with the curvature of 1:06:25.360 --> 1:06:25.760 the Earth. 1:06:26.040 --> 1:06:29.000 So the answer to this is both simple and complicated. 1:06:29.200 --> 1:06:32.640 So it's simple because it's actually relatively easy to work 1:06:32.640 --> 1:06:39.240 this out, essentially just a mathematical formula. It uses Pythagris's theorem, 1:06:39.680 --> 1:06:43.000 and essentially it takes into account your height and the 1:06:43.000 --> 1:06:46.920 diameter of the Earth, but the actual mass of that 1:06:47.280 --> 1:06:49.240 is in terms of and I say this because I 1:06:49.280 --> 1:06:53.320 am not a mathematically inclined person, but I'll try and 1:06:53.360 --> 1:06:55.960 talk you through it. So essentially, if you imagine that 1:06:56.000 --> 1:06:58.560 you've got a triangle where one side of the triangle 1:06:58.640 --> 1:07:01.720 is a distance from let's say you're eyes right down 1:07:01.760 --> 1:07:04.120 to the center of the Earth. The other side of 1:07:04.120 --> 1:07:07.840 the triangle is the distance from the horizon all the 1:07:07.840 --> 1:07:09.360 way to the center of the Earth. 1:07:09.680 --> 1:07:10.320 And then the. 1:07:10.200 --> 1:07:13.280 Third side of the triangle is the line from your 1:07:13.400 --> 1:07:16.760 eyes to that point on the horizon. So you're creating 1:07:16.960 --> 1:07:20.280 a kind of a triangle that you can then measure. Now, 1:07:20.320 --> 1:07:24.440 if you use Pythagris's theorem, you can actually then work 1:07:24.440 --> 1:07:27.000 out because you know how long, we know what the 1:07:27.040 --> 1:07:28.840 diameter of the Earth is, and we know what our 1:07:28.840 --> 1:07:31.960 own height is, so we can work out the length 1:07:32.040 --> 1:07:34.800 of two sides of the triangle and then you can 1:07:34.880 --> 1:07:37.320 use Pythagrisi's theorem, which I'm not going to do live 1:07:37.400 --> 1:07:40.920 on air because I'm not a mathematically kind person, but 1:07:41.000 --> 1:07:44.800 you can then relatively easily use that to work out 1:07:45.120 --> 1:07:48.720 how long the line is then from your eyes to 1:07:49.120 --> 1:07:53.960 the horizon. Or you can cheat and there is actually 1:07:54.480 --> 1:07:59.160 a website online where you can enter your height or 1:07:59.200 --> 1:08:02.080 the height the altitude that you're at, and then it 1:08:02.120 --> 1:08:04.760 will tell you how far it is to the horizon. 1:08:04.840 --> 1:08:08.520 So in my case, I'm about one point five meters home. 1:08:08.600 --> 1:08:10.680 I think it might be one point six I'm not sure. 1:08:10.960 --> 1:08:14.080 So if I was standing at sea level, like on 1:08:14.120 --> 1:08:16.280 a beach, and I was looking over to the horizon, 1:08:16.640 --> 1:08:20.360 it would be about four point three seven kilometers away. 1:08:22.120 --> 1:08:24.200 If you're a bit taller, obviously it's a little bit further. 1:08:24.240 --> 1:08:27.280 And then if you're in an aeroplane, so let's say 1:08:27.320 --> 1:08:30.760 you're flying in ten kilometers above the Earth's surface, you 1:08:30.800 --> 1:08:33.920 will be able to see three hundred and fifty seven 1:08:34.400 --> 1:08:37.160 kilometers to the horizon, and obviously the further up. 1:08:37.040 --> 1:08:38.599 You go, the further out you can see. 1:08:38.720 --> 1:08:40.599 Okay, I just want to pick up on one thing though, 1:08:40.680 --> 1:08:44.120 Paul said, Curvature of the Earth obviously not realizing that 1:08:44.360 --> 1:08:45.679 the Earth is in fact flat. 1:08:47.160 --> 1:08:49.639 Well, that would make the calculations a lot simpler if. 1:08:49.560 --> 1:08:54.040 That throws everything easily into the bucket. Here's a question 1:08:54.080 --> 1:08:58.240 from Sue. What's the smallest possible unit of time? 1:08:58.680 --> 1:09:01.479 This is a great question because you know, we initially 1:09:01.520 --> 1:09:04.479 might think, oh, it's like a microsecond or a pico second, 1:09:04.560 --> 1:09:06.759 or some kind of weird thing that you could measure 1:09:06.760 --> 1:09:07.400 on the stopwatch. 1:09:07.600 --> 1:09:09.240 But actually we're getting down. 1:09:09.120 --> 1:09:11.920 Into the realm of the quantum with this because the 1:09:12.040 --> 1:09:15.639 smallest unit of time that can in theory be measured 1:09:15.760 --> 1:09:17.080 is actually called. 1:09:17.040 --> 1:09:18.200 The Plank time. 1:09:18.800 --> 1:09:22.280 Brilliant and weird stuff happens at Plank time, so it's 1:09:22.520 --> 1:09:25.120 the Plank time. So it's p L A N c K. 1:09:25.680 --> 1:09:28.519 So this is names after Max Plank, who was a 1:09:28.560 --> 1:09:33.920 German theoretical physicist, and he actually discovered energy quanta, the 1:09:34.000 --> 1:09:38.839 kind of packet parcels of energy in the earlier nineteen hundreds, 1:09:39.040 --> 1:09:41.479 won him the Nobel Prize in Physics in nineteen eighteen. 1:09:41.680 --> 1:09:46.280 So Plank time is defined as the amount of time 1:09:46.320 --> 1:09:48.840 it takes a photon of light. So a particle of 1:09:48.920 --> 1:09:51.880 light which is traveling at the speed of light as 1:09:51.880 --> 1:09:54.600 they do, it's a time it takes to cross the 1:09:54.680 --> 1:09:59.960 distance of one plank length. So what is a plank length. 1:10:00.200 --> 1:10:03.640 Plank length is one point six times ten to the 1:10:03.800 --> 1:10:08.840 minus thirty five meters, So I kind of even give 1:10:08.880 --> 1:10:11.120 you a comparison of how many plank lengths there are 1:10:11.479 --> 1:10:13.400 in a you know, with the human hair. 1:10:13.640 --> 1:10:16.559 It's so infinitesimly tiny. 1:10:17.560 --> 1:10:19.320 And so the amount of time that it takes for 1:10:19.400 --> 1:10:22.280 light to cross a plank length is five point thirty 1:10:22.400 --> 1:10:27.000 nine times ten to the minus forty four seconds. And 1:10:27.320 --> 1:10:30.920 some really weird stuff happens in the kind of plank 1:10:31.080 --> 1:10:34.800 length and plank time. So this is essentially where gravity, 1:10:36.040 --> 1:10:39.320 what we understand as the behavior of gravity, doesn't kind 1:10:39.360 --> 1:10:44.280 of work. And it's like this is where I don't 1:10:44.280 --> 1:10:46.000 know if you've ever heard, it's idear of a theory 1:10:46.000 --> 1:10:49.600 of everything, and it's this kind of quest in theoretical 1:10:49.640 --> 1:10:54.240 physics to try and combine general relativity, which is, you know, 1:10:54.680 --> 1:10:57.400 things that are affected by gravity, with quantum mechanics, which 1:10:57.439 --> 1:11:01.360 is things that are essentially below you know, at this level, 1:11:01.720 --> 1:11:03.920 and trying there's always this quest to try and unite 1:11:04.000 --> 1:11:06.840 those two things so that it all makes sense. One great, big, 1:11:06.880 --> 1:11:10.320 beautiful theory, and so far physicists haven't quite managed to 1:11:10.360 --> 1:11:14.400 do it. So yeah, plank time and plank length is 1:11:14.760 --> 1:11:17.840 the smallest measurable distance and unit of time. 1:11:18.160 --> 1:11:20.600 You're so clever. And you know what, because I'm the 1:11:20.600 --> 1:11:23.759 most annoying person anybody would ever meet. Just ask the listeners. 1:11:23.760 --> 1:11:25.920 They'll tell you that I'm going to actually respond to 1:11:25.920 --> 1:11:27.840 people when they say I'll be there in a sec 1:11:27.960 --> 1:11:30.160 I'll go yep. And what's that in plank time? 1:11:32.439 --> 1:11:33.840 You know one day you'll do that. And if it's 1:11:33.840 --> 1:11:36.280 a theoretical physicist, they're going to give you many. 1:11:36.200 --> 1:11:38.479 Yeah, then I really look like an idiot. What more 1:11:38.479 --> 1:11:41.920 from Steve? Steve says what color is the surface of 1:11:41.960 --> 1:11:42.479 a mirror? 1:11:42.760 --> 1:11:42.920 Well? 1:11:42.960 --> 1:11:44.200 This was an interesting one. 1:11:44.240 --> 1:11:47.839 So I guess when we're talking about the actual surface 1:11:47.840 --> 1:11:49.600 of a mirror, there's kind of two bits there. So 1:11:49.640 --> 1:11:53.240 there's the surface, which is the glass that forms I 1:11:53.240 --> 1:11:54.760 guess what you think of as the front part of 1:11:54.800 --> 1:11:56.960 a mirror. But then the back part of the mirror 1:11:57.040 --> 1:12:01.400 is the silvery reflective layer. So if we say the 1:12:01.439 --> 1:12:04.240 silvery reflective layer, well, I guess it's a sort of 1:12:04.320 --> 1:12:06.880 a silvery color in and of itself, but then it's 1:12:06.880 --> 1:12:08.800 also reflecting whatever is in front of it. 1:12:08.920 --> 1:12:10.439 So what we see is. 1:12:10.400 --> 1:12:11.960 That color is going to be whatever it is that 1:12:12.000 --> 1:12:14.920 we're seeing reflected. But the glass is an interesting one 1:12:14.920 --> 1:12:18.200 because we think of glass as being clear, and for 1:12:18.240 --> 1:12:20.880 the most part, what we see out of you know, 1:12:20.880 --> 1:12:23.479 a typical glass window like the one I'm looking out now, 1:12:23.880 --> 1:12:26.160 it's clear. We don't really see any tint in it. 1:12:26.439 --> 1:12:30.519 But real glass does actually have a slight greenish tint, 1:12:30.600 --> 1:12:34.360 and that's because there's a small amount of iron oxide 1:12:34.760 --> 1:12:39.240 that's in the sand that's used to make what we 1:12:39.280 --> 1:12:42.400 think of as normal glass. So the short answer would 1:12:42.439 --> 1:12:45.200 be the surface of that mirror would be a very 1:12:45.320 --> 1:12:47.920 very very faint greenish tint. So if you think of 1:12:47.920 --> 1:12:50.439 about a really thick pane of glass, if you're able, 1:12:50.520 --> 1:12:52.400 if you look at it side on, sometimes if you 1:12:52.439 --> 1:12:56.280 see like a glass piece of glass looking like a 1:12:56.320 --> 1:12:59.000 shower of cubicle, you can look at it side on 1:12:59.400 --> 1:13:02.000 and you can see it's a little bit greenish. So 1:13:02.120 --> 1:13:03.920 that's the sort of color if you're going to be 1:13:04.000 --> 1:13:06.599 really technical, looks clear, but in fact there's a bit 1:13:06.640 --> 1:13:07.280 of green in it. 1:13:07.479 --> 1:13:09.920 I'm so glad we're able to talk about this morning. 1:13:09.960 --> 1:13:12.760 And when I go in to get some paint to 1:13:12.880 --> 1:13:15.280 paint the bathroom, that's what I'm going to ask for. 1:13:15.360 --> 1:13:16.800 I want ten to mirror green. 1:13:17.080 --> 1:13:18.880 Yeah, it'd be very tricky to find that one. I 1:13:18.880 --> 1:13:20.439 think it's a very faint color. 1:13:21.479 --> 1:13:22.960 Hang around there for a sec because we want to 1:13:22.960 --> 1:13:27.080 talk about why dog walking is dangerous and killer whales 1:13:27.080 --> 1:13:29.960 that are making tools ten to too. Sitting in for 1:13:30.000 --> 1:13:33.599 doctor Carl guest host Bianca no Grady, So tell us this, 1:13:33.840 --> 1:13:36.240 why is dog walking so dangerous? 1:13:36.479 --> 1:13:38.960 Well, so I'm a dog person, so I need to 1:13:39.000 --> 1:13:41.000 counter this by saying, first of all, dog walking is. 1:13:41.080 --> 1:13:42.200 Very good for your health. 1:13:42.200 --> 1:13:44.000 It gets you out and it's a lot of physical 1:13:44.040 --> 1:13:46.599 activity and that we should all be doing this. So 1:13:47.000 --> 1:13:49.000 let's just put that kind of qualifyer out first. But 1:13:49.800 --> 1:13:53.400 there is also some risk involving involved in dog walking. 1:13:53.439 --> 1:13:56.760 And this is actually some research that came out of 1:13:56.800 --> 1:13:59.840 the UK and they found that the annual cost of 1:14:00.120 --> 1:14:04.920 injuries from dog walking is estimated to be about fifty 1:14:05.000 --> 1:14:09.920 million dollars in Australian each year. Yeah, so, and look, 1:14:09.920 --> 1:14:11.800 there's no reason to think that the UK would be 1:14:11.920 --> 1:14:15.559 particularly different to Australia. And what they're looking specifically at 1:14:15.960 --> 1:14:18.400 or what seems to be the most common form of injuries, 1:14:19.240 --> 1:14:22.960 injuries to wrists and hands and fingers. So I don't 1:14:23.000 --> 1:14:24.800 know if you're a dog on a field, but. 1:14:25.600 --> 1:14:26.559 I had dogs dog. 1:14:26.720 --> 1:14:29.040 You know, they could be pretty enthusiastic. It depends on 1:14:29.080 --> 1:14:29.880 how well they're trained. 1:14:29.920 --> 1:14:33.320 But if you've got a big, heavy set labrador. 1:14:32.840 --> 1:14:36.360 That really likes just sniffing and dragging you off into 1:14:36.360 --> 1:14:39.519 every direction, that can actually put a lot of strain 1:14:39.880 --> 1:14:44.280 on wrists and fingers and arms and elbows. And so 1:14:44.439 --> 1:14:47.120 when they were looking at these studies, they found that 1:14:47.240 --> 1:14:50.519 about one in I mean, it's twenty two percent of 1:14:50.560 --> 1:14:54.599 the injuries were soft tissue injuries, So people were getting 1:14:54.760 --> 1:14:58.600 sprains of their wrist. But also it goes even to 1:14:58.680 --> 1:15:02.280 something like kind of tendon itis, like almost like a 1:15:02.280 --> 1:15:03.280 form of tennis elbow. 1:15:03.280 --> 1:15:05.320 Because you're constantly, especially. 1:15:04.960 --> 1:15:06.880 If you're walking a dog, you know, for an hour 1:15:06.960 --> 1:15:09.320 or half an hour every day, that can actually build 1:15:09.360 --> 1:15:12.320 up a lot of strain on muscles and tens that 1:15:12.400 --> 1:15:16.040 perhaps otherwise aren't used in that fashion. But then another 1:15:16.160 --> 1:15:19.840 risk was actually also fractures. You know, if you think 1:15:19.880 --> 1:15:21.560 you're kind of walking along and maybe you've got the 1:15:22.840 --> 1:15:25.200 lead looped around your wrist, and then suddenly your dog 1:15:25.280 --> 1:15:28.200 kind of jerks off in an unexpected direction. That can 1:15:28.240 --> 1:15:32.360 actually be enough force to cause a fracture of I mean, 1:15:32.360 --> 1:15:34.960 there's lots of delicate bones in our hands and wrists, 1:15:35.400 --> 1:15:37.439 and I mean what was interesting with this was that 1:15:37.520 --> 1:15:40.040 when they were looking at the injuries, about three quarters 1:15:40.040 --> 1:15:41.639 of them were in women. 1:15:42.160 --> 1:15:44.679 Maybe that's because women might be more likely. 1:15:44.479 --> 1:15:47.439 To walk the dog, who knows, But particularly in older women, 1:15:47.479 --> 1:15:48.320 this was a problem. 1:15:48.400 --> 1:15:50.280 And that's a little bit of a clue to what 1:15:50.360 --> 1:15:52.679 might be going on here for some of these injuries. 1:15:52.760 --> 1:15:56.680 Because older women, particularly if the postmenopausal, they might have 1:15:56.800 --> 1:15:57.879 lower bone density. 1:15:58.000 --> 1:15:59.200 Their bones are a little. 1:15:58.960 --> 1:16:02.360 Bit more kind of fragile and brittle, maybe they've got osteoporosis, 1:16:02.680 --> 1:16:05.800 and it makes them much more vulnerable to breaking a 1:16:05.840 --> 1:16:07.960 bone from something, you know, like a you know, the 1:16:08.040 --> 1:16:09.960 lead being kind of jerked off to one side might 1:16:10.000 --> 1:16:12.320 be fine if you're a healthy eighteen year old, but 1:16:12.439 --> 1:16:14.959 when you're sixty, that can actually be quite. 1:16:14.760 --> 1:16:15.719 A serious break. 1:16:16.360 --> 1:16:18.639 And I mean the other thing as well is also 1:16:19.000 --> 1:16:21.240 sometimes people get pulled over by their dog if the 1:16:21.320 --> 1:16:25.120 dog's a particular spotted a cat or something, and people 1:16:25.200 --> 1:16:28.479 were tripping over the leash sometimes, you know, if a 1:16:28.520 --> 1:16:30.759 dog kind of runs around you, or if you're walking 1:16:30.800 --> 1:16:33.400 two dogs at the same time and trip over the 1:16:33.479 --> 1:16:34.440 dog sometimes. 1:16:34.880 --> 1:16:36.480 So there were all sorts. 1:16:36.160 --> 1:16:39.880 Of injuries, but predominantly they're really about sort of hands 1:16:39.920 --> 1:16:43.840 and wrists and finger injuries. So it's you know, it's 1:16:43.880 --> 1:16:45.760 one of those things to just be aware of that, 1:16:45.920 --> 1:16:47.479 particularly as you get older and you might be a 1:16:47.520 --> 1:16:49.800 little bit less steady on your feet as well. That 1:16:49.960 --> 1:16:51.920 walking the dog, you kind of got to take extra 1:16:52.040 --> 1:16:55.040 care just to look at how you're holding the lead 1:16:55.080 --> 1:16:57.000 and also how well you trained your dog. 1:16:57.080 --> 1:16:59.000 Is fantastic. I'm going to take some calls on this. 1:16:59.040 --> 1:17:02.719 One three one seven three. Tell me about how you 1:17:02.760 --> 1:17:05.800 injured yourself walking your dog. This is brilliant in the 1:17:05.880 --> 1:17:09.839 history of radio topics. Tell me about your dog walking injury. 1:17:10.040 --> 1:17:12.559 One three, one eight seven three. On that, let's talk 1:17:12.560 --> 1:17:16.519 about killer whales off the coast of North America. Spotted 1:17:16.600 --> 1:17:19.800 making tools, what hammers, chisels, that kind of them. 1:17:21.560 --> 1:17:23.840 Yeah, we always think of tools as being Yeah, I mean, 1:17:24.040 --> 1:17:26.960 like tool use is not uncommon amongst animals. I mean, 1:17:27.000 --> 1:17:30.799 there's so much evidence of crows using them. And obviously 1:17:30.800 --> 1:17:33.439 we know a lot about chimpanzees using tools, but this 1:17:33.520 --> 1:17:35.280 is one of the first times that tool use has 1:17:35.320 --> 1:17:39.439 actually been reported in marine mammals. And what I love 1:17:39.520 --> 1:17:42.720 about this is because they were using it for grooming. 1:17:43.240 --> 1:17:47.680 So it was this group of killer whales living kind 1:17:47.720 --> 1:17:51.000 of the Pacific, just off British Columbia and Washington, and 1:17:51.400 --> 1:17:55.519 they found they spotted them picking or kind of breaking 1:17:55.560 --> 1:17:58.880 the ends off bull kelp, so there's really big, long, 1:17:59.040 --> 1:18:02.840 thick strands of bull kelp, and then they would press 1:18:02.920 --> 1:18:05.840 these pieces of kelp against a partner, you know, a 1:18:05.880 --> 1:18:10.240 partner another whale and then basically roll along, so roll 1:18:10.280 --> 1:18:13.479 the kelp between their bodies, back and forward for long 1:18:13.600 --> 1:18:17.599 periods of time. And they were trying to understand why 1:18:17.640 --> 1:18:19.280 they were doing this, and so they were kind of 1:18:19.320 --> 1:18:21.960 looking for what might explain it. The first thing they 1:18:21.960 --> 1:18:25.560 saw was that the whales were more likely to groom 1:18:25.880 --> 1:18:29.040 other whales that were closely related or of a similar age. 1:18:29.120 --> 1:18:32.680 So that suggests there's a social dimension to this. This 1:18:32.760 --> 1:18:35.719 is you know that there's I guess a social purpose 1:18:35.760 --> 1:18:38.880 to it. But then the other interesting thing was they 1:18:39.040 --> 1:18:41.879 found that it seemed to be more common with whales 1:18:41.920 --> 1:18:45.240 that had more kind of molting skin or dead skin 1:18:45.840 --> 1:18:49.200 on their backs and on their sides. So that points 1:18:49.240 --> 1:18:51.960 to there being an actual function of this. It's not 1:18:52.040 --> 1:18:53.640 just kind of, you know, giving someone a little bit 1:18:53.680 --> 1:18:55.759 of a backscratch because it feels good. This is actually 1:18:56.120 --> 1:18:58.880 there's a kind of a beauty. They're basically giving each 1:18:58.920 --> 1:19:01.320 other a seaweed wrap, you know, taking rid of that, 1:19:01.520 --> 1:19:02.559 getting rid of that dead. 1:19:02.360 --> 1:19:06.040 Skin, having a good scratch, making friends. But it's the 1:19:06.040 --> 1:19:08.400 first time it's been seeing you in marine mammals. 1:19:08.640 --> 1:19:12.080 That's so interesting. Thank you so much. I feel so 1:19:12.240 --> 1:19:14.360 much smarter. I especially want to get back to you 1:19:14.400 --> 1:19:17.120 next week with the results of dog walking injuries. Can 1:19:17.160 --> 1:19:18.320 you join us again next week? 1:19:18.760 --> 1:19:19.200 Indeed? 1:19:19.439 --> 1:19:21.280 Okay, so give me a ring right now. One three 1:19:21.320 --> 1:19:23.280 one eight seven three. Great to talk to you, Bianco, 1:19:23.360 --> 1:19:26.400 no grady sitting in for doctor Carl. Have you ever 1:19:26.560 --> 1:19:29.719 injured yourself walking your dog? One three one eight seven 1:19:29.800 --> 1:19:32.120 three and text me some questions for next week as well. 1:19:32.240 --> 1:19:35.400 Zero four six zero eight seven three eight seven three. 1:19:35.520 --> 1:19:39.439 It's funny because when Bianca was saying that, both Chris 1:19:39.479 --> 1:19:41.240 who's in the other studio on the wheels of Steel, 1:19:41.400 --> 1:19:43.960 and Dale, who's in the of course the front studio here. 1:19:44.200 --> 1:19:47.960 Both said they know somebody who've injured their fingers, both 1:19:48.000 --> 1:19:52.439 female walking their dog. Both of the occasions sounded really nasty, 1:19:52.600 --> 1:19:54.680 so it seems to be a pretty common thing. What 1:19:54.760 --> 1:19:57.479 about you, Have you ever injured yourself walking your dog? 1:19:57.640 --> 1:20:00.240 One three one eight seven three is my number? Have 1:20:00.320 --> 1:20:02.920 you ever injured yourself walking your dog? I think that 1:20:03.000 --> 1:20:05.479 might be the greatest question I've ever asked on the radio. 1:20:05.800 --> 1:20:08.120 One three one eight seven three is the phone number. 1:20:08.160 --> 1:20:10.040 And also we'll get to some of your texts for 1:20:10.120 --> 1:20:13.080 the questions for Bianca next week. But in the meantime, 1:20:13.160 --> 1:20:14.760 let's get your two o'clock news update. 1:20:14.800 --> 1:20:19.519 Two GB, four BC and network stations. This is our 1:20:19.560 --> 1:20:22.160 Australia Overnight with Phil O'Neill. 1:20:22.640 --> 1:20:25.200 I can't believe that we're so close to July already. 1:20:25.240 --> 1:20:27.120 You know, we're going to blink and then Christmas will 1:20:27.160 --> 1:20:29.880 be here. If you notice that as you get older, 1:20:30.400 --> 1:20:33.000 the years seem to get shorter, and all of a sudden, 1:20:33.080 --> 1:20:35.880 it's always Christmas. It just seems so many times. I 1:20:35.880 --> 1:20:37.600 remember when I was a kid, you used to just 1:20:37.680 --> 1:20:39.880 wait for Christmas all year round, and it felt like 1:20:39.920 --> 1:20:42.719 it took forever. Now it just seems like you blink 1:20:42.760 --> 1:20:44.880 an eye and then Christmas is here again. And I 1:20:44.920 --> 1:20:47.400 always think about the period of Christmas because it's always 1:20:47.439 --> 1:20:51.400 a time where it's just madness, that week of madness 1:20:51.439 --> 1:20:54.280 between Christmas and New Year's Eve, where you know, if 1:20:54.280 --> 1:20:57.840 you need a plumber, you're in no man's land. Got oh, 1:20:57.920 --> 1:21:00.360 I forgot to do it, sorry, Margaret twelve to at 1:21:00.360 --> 1:21:03.040 the moment in Brisbane, but it feels like nine degrees, 1:21:03.680 --> 1:21:05.880 and the forecast in Sydney at the moment it is 1:21:05.920 --> 1:21:09.320 eight degrees, but it feels like one. So that's pretty 1:21:09.360 --> 1:21:12.400 cool everywhere as you can imagine. Hey, Chris, how are 1:21:12.439 --> 1:21:15.000 you this morning? Mate? We went to go to you, Chris. 1:21:15.439 --> 1:21:19.120 Who will you know is our regular Chris? Chris's phones off? 1:21:19.479 --> 1:21:22.679 Are you okay? Mate? Chris? Turn your phone back on, buddy, 1:21:22.680 --> 1:21:24.160 because you know we do want to talk to you. 1:21:24.520 --> 1:21:27.240 I've got a few texts that came through, a few 1:21:27.320 --> 1:21:31.320 questions too, for Bianca who was sitting in for doctor 1:21:31.360 --> 1:21:36.479 carm this week. Bianca O'Grady, the freelance science journalist and author, 1:21:36.680 --> 1:21:38.880 and she'll be back next week as well. That's fantastic 1:21:38.920 --> 1:21:41.960 all those stories about people that have injured themselves. Mean, 1:21:41.960 --> 1:21:44.000 it's not fantastic, but it's incredible, isn't it. I think 1:21:44.000 --> 1:21:47.479 that people have injured themselves by walking their dog, and 1:21:47.520 --> 1:21:49.680 that seems to be a thing too. Have you ever 1:21:49.800 --> 1:21:52.519 injured yourself by walking your dog? One three one eight 1:21:52.600 --> 1:21:56.479 seven three or on the text zero four six zero 1:21:56.840 --> 1:22:00.519 eight seven three eight seven three two it's the Thursday 1:22:00.520 --> 1:22:03.320 Morning Live Lounge. Who have we got playing this morning? Well, 1:22:03.320 --> 1:22:05.639 I'll give you a clue. It is somebody that has 1:22:05.680 --> 1:22:08.800 sung a song that's not his song. Funnily enough, as 1:22:08.800 --> 1:22:11.840 a solo artist, that's made that his biggest hit single. 1:22:12.160 --> 1:22:14.439 So who is he and what's the song going to be? 1:22:14.600 --> 1:22:16.479 I think I've given away enough clues, but we'll get 1:22:16.479 --> 1:22:18.000 that in the moment. And it's going to be the 1:22:18.000 --> 1:22:23.080 first live Thursday Morning Live Lounge that features a piano 1:22:23.680 --> 1:22:25.960 or at least a keyboard. So that's coming up for 1:22:26.000 --> 1:22:28.559 you very soon. Nine minutes past two, let me get 1:22:28.560 --> 1:22:31.559 a couple of these texts and emails. Jason just said 1:22:31.600 --> 1:22:38.040 to me a JJ rather filled with the Piagoratha's the theorem. See, 1:22:38.080 --> 1:22:40.479 I can't even say it, and yet you know it. 1:22:40.720 --> 1:22:42.720 He said, what a beautiful thing. I used it to 1:22:42.720 --> 1:22:46.320 build right angles in my ex's kitchen. You're so clever JJ. 1:22:46.840 --> 1:22:46.920 Me. 1:22:47.040 --> 1:22:48.920 On the other hand, I used to do carpentry at 1:22:48.960 --> 1:22:52.040 school and I was rubbish. I was rubbish at everything 1:22:52.040 --> 1:22:53.760 at school. That's why I ended up working at two 1:22:53.760 --> 1:22:57.240 o'clock in the morning. But we used to do carpentry. 1:22:57.360 --> 1:22:59.640 And when it first started, this was about I think 1:22:59.720 --> 1:23:03.639 proper year nine. I think we had to start off 1:23:03.640 --> 1:23:06.559 in our carpentry class by making a sort of a 1:23:06.600 --> 1:23:09.200 coffee coaster. So I wanted to make a coffee coaster 1:23:09.240 --> 1:23:12.040 for my mum. And by the time it actually got 1:23:12.080 --> 1:23:15.920 this coffee coaster made was the end of term and 1:23:16.000 --> 1:23:18.679 the rest of the kids in the class had moved 1:23:18.720 --> 1:23:21.879 on to making cabinets for their mom and their parents, 1:23:21.920 --> 1:23:25.360 you know, like cabinets with doors that slide and you 1:23:25.360 --> 1:23:28.519 know bits of panes of glass, you know, using huge 1:23:28.560 --> 1:23:31.040 things that were you know, six seven foot tall. And 1:23:31.120 --> 1:23:34.559 I was still working on this coaster, coffee coaster for 1:23:34.640 --> 1:23:35.799 my mum, which. 1:23:35.680 --> 1:23:36.160 Was just. 1:23:38.040 --> 1:23:41.479 It was just embarrassing. I mean, she was grateful for it. 1:23:41.600 --> 1:23:43.519 I mean she you know, she put on the smile, said, oh, 1:23:43.560 --> 1:23:45.880 thank you, Philip. That's so well done, and I knew 1:23:45.920 --> 1:23:50.439 she was disappointed in me. But anyway, Jason says, there's 1:23:50.439 --> 1:23:52.639 no need for playing time as a measure of time. 1:23:52.680 --> 1:23:56.519 It will always be tomorrow will be. That's quite clever. Also, hey, 1:23:56.560 --> 1:23:59.080 this is from David. Hey David, can you confirm that 1:24:00.160 --> 1:24:03.800 Jason will be on Overnight on four BC this weekend? Yes, 1:24:03.840 --> 1:24:06.680 he will. Our good friend Jason Morrison who's getting his 1:24:06.760 --> 1:24:08.800 eye in, getting some practice in. I run into him 1:24:08.800 --> 1:24:10.599 in the corridor on the way in and he said, man, 1:24:10.640 --> 1:24:12.960 I'm going to do some shows on two GB four 1:24:13.000 --> 1:24:15.200 PC and I said great, and he said, I'm going 1:24:15.240 --> 1:24:17.960 to be doing the overnights this weekend. And I said 1:24:17.960 --> 1:24:21.160 to him, are you insane? Are you crazy? Why would 1:24:21.200 --> 1:24:23.040 you do that to yourself and to your body? And 1:24:23.080 --> 1:24:24.680 he said, because he wants to get back into the 1:24:24.680 --> 1:24:27.479 practice of speaking to you the listeners. And he's great. 1:24:27.520 --> 1:24:30.479 I mean, he really is how a proper talkback person 1:24:30.760 --> 1:24:33.439 should sound. I should probably take more attention to it 1:24:33.760 --> 1:24:35.360 so you'll be able to hear him this weekend and 1:24:35.400 --> 1:24:38.120 that'd be absolutely brilliant. Pete at Lithgow says I support 1:24:38.120 --> 1:24:42.400 Tony Abbott for the PM campaign with Jacenter as his deputy. 1:24:42.560 --> 1:24:44.880 A couple of questions that are coming through for next 1:24:44.880 --> 1:24:48.160 week for asked doctor Carl with Bianca sitting in, and 1:24:48.160 --> 1:24:51.160 these are always so clever. This one's from Michael, is 1:24:51.160 --> 1:24:55.120 it true that the tide never rises or falls? I'm 1:24:55.120 --> 1:24:56.960 going to put that into the running for it and 1:24:57.040 --> 1:24:59.840 have a listen to these genius questions. I don't know 1:24:59.840 --> 1:25:01.479 how how you came up with this, Steve, but this 1:25:01.600 --> 1:25:07.640 is brilliant. How do birds navigate the skies while migrating? Amazing? 1:25:08.000 --> 1:25:10.160 This one's from Alex who said, is it true there's 1:25:10.200 --> 1:25:14.920 a trillion dollars worth of platinum on the moon? Brilliant? 1:25:15.360 --> 1:25:18.559 And this one from Julie is it true that bats 1:25:18.720 --> 1:25:21.880 don't get cancer? And could that be a big deal 1:25:21.920 --> 1:25:26.160 for humans? Again? Just genius, so clever. Keep your text 1:25:26.160 --> 1:25:28.760 coming through with your questions for next week. Zero four 1:25:28.840 --> 1:25:31.240 six zero eight seven three eight seven three on the 1:25:31.240 --> 1:25:33.559 phone one three one eight seven three. So the live 1:25:33.640 --> 1:25:36.320 lounge coming up at a moment, a really nice, really 1:25:36.360 --> 1:25:39.120 great acoustic of a song that you know really really well. 1:25:39.280 --> 1:25:42.000 And Leith van Onslin in a moment too. We were 1:25:42.040 --> 1:25:43.760 trying to get hold of you, Chris, and then you 1:25:43.800 --> 1:25:45.320 were there and then we couldn't get a hold of you, 1:25:45.320 --> 1:25:47.160 and we rang you back and then your phone wasn't on. 1:25:47.360 --> 1:25:48.840 Were you ringing somebody else? 1:25:49.800 --> 1:25:52.240 No? No, no, I don't know what I'm happened. I 1:25:52.360 --> 1:25:54.599 was waiting for the call. I got some silly miss 1:25:55.160 --> 1:25:58.160 after you're talking about Chris, I'm saying you're talking about 1:25:58.240 --> 1:26:00.840 ling or some other Chris. Look, got my phone. I 1:26:00.920 --> 1:26:03.559 missed the call. Don't ask me why. I'll look at 1:26:03.600 --> 1:26:07.639 it again tomorrow and see what it was. No reason 1:26:07.880 --> 1:26:10.920 on my There was no nothing that I've done. I 1:26:10.960 --> 1:26:12.280 don't know what that's. 1:26:12.120 --> 1:26:13.800 All right, don't worry. It's cool. 1:26:14.560 --> 1:26:14.600 No. 1:26:14.800 --> 1:26:18.360 What it is is technology is good and it works, 1:26:18.800 --> 1:26:24.400 but it can also be very very bad when it doesn't. 1:26:24.920 --> 1:26:26.960 If we didn't have the phone, Chris, we wouldn't know 1:26:27.000 --> 1:26:29.799 what was going on in the world, and you wouldn't 1:26:29.800 --> 1:26:31.439 be able to tell us. So thank goodness we've got 1:26:31.439 --> 1:26:32.000 that device. 1:26:32.720 --> 1:26:34.439 Well, I'll tell you what, I wouldn't mind even if 1:26:34.479 --> 1:26:36.680 I had the old diotype and run you on that. 1:26:36.800 --> 1:26:38.920 To put it together that way, I really don't care 1:26:39.000 --> 1:26:44.160 about about Modern technology can go a bit too far, 1:26:44.360 --> 1:26:48.080 and I think that Look, I'm not against technology, but 1:26:48.120 --> 1:26:51.880 in some aspect. It's not going to control my life. 1:26:52.439 --> 1:26:54.639 There's a lot you can do on it, which is good. 1:26:54.760 --> 1:26:56.960 But when it goes down, if they'll lead you in 1:26:57.040 --> 1:26:58.360 all sports of trouble. 1:26:58.200 --> 1:27:00.400 Let me say this, Chris, nobody is going to control 1:27:00.520 --> 1:27:02.519 your life. My friend. What's on your mind this morning. 1:27:03.120 --> 1:27:06.559 It's just regarding Jason. Good to hear he is still 1:27:06.680 --> 1:27:09.439 up and doing good, and I just wanted to give 1:27:09.479 --> 1:27:10.600 him some encouragement. 1:27:10.680 --> 1:27:11.200 I don't know. 1:27:11.280 --> 1:27:15.120 I can't speak from experience. It's just my general thoughts 1:27:15.160 --> 1:27:17.240 are he's going to have his good days and he's 1:27:17.280 --> 1:27:19.240 going to have his bad days as long as he 1:27:19.360 --> 1:27:23.240 stays butstant his goal to get better, to get over this. 1:27:24.280 --> 1:27:26.960 Then at the end of his day, well it will 1:27:27.080 --> 1:27:27.479 come back. 1:27:27.600 --> 1:27:29.559 Oh yeah, Well he's only doing two shows over the 1:27:29.560 --> 1:27:32.840 weekend and yeah, I mean he's a professional broadcaster, so 1:27:33.040 --> 1:27:35.040 but he wants to have, you know, some chats, So 1:27:35.240 --> 1:27:37.880 make sure you bring him up to wrong Jason. 1:27:37.880 --> 1:27:38.920 I'm talking about the Jason. 1:27:39.200 --> 1:27:41.720 Oh, Jason, I'm sorry, mate, Jason, who's in hospital. Yeah, 1:27:41.720 --> 1:27:42.960 you're right, good days, bad days. 1:27:43.680 --> 1:27:46.960 I'll tell you what what he said about Tony Abbott, Yes, 1:27:47.560 --> 1:27:50.920 what he said about Julia Gillo ditch the bitch, I 1:27:50.960 --> 1:27:54.080 mean she used that. I'm just wondering whether that has 1:27:54.520 --> 1:27:57.680 grown in the context context. 1:27:57.280 --> 1:27:58.960 Of yeah it was. It was by the way, I 1:27:59.000 --> 1:28:00.840 hate to interrupt, it was ditch the witch. That was 1:28:00.880 --> 1:28:03.200 the sign that was being held up behind her, and 1:28:03.240 --> 1:28:03.960 that was that was. 1:28:05.360 --> 1:28:08.080 But look, for me, I'm just wondering whether that's growing 1:28:08.160 --> 1:28:12.760 the gender divide. They're just looking for anything to grow it, 1:28:13.240 --> 1:28:15.880 and I just want us to get back to who 1:28:15.960 --> 1:28:18.439 were intended to be. If we're males were males, if 1:28:18.439 --> 1:28:22.120 we're females were females. I've got no I don't have 1:28:22.160 --> 1:28:28.519 any appetite for these gender gender movements. And what did 1:28:28.560 --> 1:28:31.679 I have here but have something about elbow? Oh yeah, 1:28:31.680 --> 1:28:34.679 Look Tony Abbott, I thought would have made I would 1:28:34.680 --> 1:28:36.760 have liked to see a bit more of him. I 1:28:36.800 --> 1:28:40.200 didn't like what Malcolm Turnbull did to him. He didn't 1:28:40.320 --> 1:28:43.759 like when he got bitched. I can't imagine Malcolm Turble 1:28:43.840 --> 1:28:47.080 winning that election. As a matter of fact, I think 1:28:47.160 --> 1:28:49.840 Malcolm Turble somehow I made a mistake and joined the 1:28:49.880 --> 1:28:52.960 wrong party. He shouldn't join the Labor or better still, 1:28:53.080 --> 1:28:57.760 the Green And to me, Tony Abbott would not have 1:28:57.800 --> 1:29:00.400 been as bad. I can't see anybody being as as 1:29:01.600 --> 1:29:05.280 as what we've got now with Elbow. I think he's 1:29:05.280 --> 1:29:11.360 pushing his socialistic gender too far. And I just think 1:29:11.400 --> 1:29:14.559 that I just want to get politicians to come to 1:29:14.640 --> 1:29:19.519 their sense and do what they both do represent us, 1:29:19.760 --> 1:29:23.160 so they should still have a good skill for what 1:29:23.240 --> 1:29:26.840 the issues, what most people want, and start delivering. Don't 1:29:26.920 --> 1:29:29.040 run this country anymore into the ground. 1:29:31.600 --> 1:29:34.519 Okay, your phone's still working. 1:29:35.320 --> 1:29:36.439 Yeah, I'm still all right. 1:29:36.479 --> 1:29:37.679 Well I wasn't sure if you finished. 1:29:37.800 --> 1:29:38.000 Mate. 1:29:38.000 --> 1:29:40.800 Well that's good, Thank you so much, and listen, it's glad. 1:29:40.840 --> 1:29:42.479 I'm glad that you can bring me tomorrow. I don't 1:29:42.520 --> 1:29:44.640 forget Jason's on the weekend. There you go. That was 1:29:44.720 --> 1:29:47.360 Chris who It's good to see Chris had actually written 1:29:47.360 --> 1:29:49.200 down what he wanted to say as well. I'm going 1:29:49.280 --> 1:29:51.800 to talk to Leith van Onslin in just a moment 1:29:51.840 --> 1:29:54.559 about obviously the Treasury of common sense. Let's just bring 1:29:54.640 --> 1:29:56.799 ourselves up to date with Donald Trump, who was at NATO. 1:29:57.120 --> 1:29:59.479 I thought it was really interesting that while he was 1:29:59.560 --> 1:30:02.479 doing here his talk at NATO, that CNN were the 1:30:02.520 --> 1:30:05.920 only was the only one of the three channels that 1:30:05.960 --> 1:30:08.559 I have in here monitoring the world overnight that was 1:30:08.720 --> 1:30:12.439 actually taking the speech on the press conference. CNN were 1:30:12.479 --> 1:30:17.000 taking it, but Fox News wasn't, surprisingly and also neither 1:30:17.080 --> 1:30:20.000 was Sky News UK. So yeah, again I thought that 1:30:20.080 --> 1:30:22.000 was rather interesting. But anyway, here were a couple of 1:30:22.040 --> 1:30:24.479 things that Donald Trump was talking about at NATO. In 1:30:24.479 --> 1:30:27.479 this particular case, he says that he doesn't think it's 1:30:27.520 --> 1:30:31.000 necessary to restart the negotiations with Iran. 1:30:31.040 --> 1:30:34.400 Who are you interested in restarting negotiations with Iran? 1:30:34.640 --> 1:30:36.719 And if so, have they re so our. 1:30:36.600 --> 1:30:40.080 People, Marco card answers, But our people are. 1:30:41.400 --> 1:30:41.479 Not. 1:30:42.160 --> 1:30:45.479 I'm not the way I look at it. They fought, 1:30:45.600 --> 1:30:48.400 the war's done, and you know, I could get a 1:30:48.400 --> 1:30:50.919 statement that they're not going to go nuclear. We're probably 1:30:50.920 --> 1:30:53.400 going to ask for that, but they're not going to 1:30:53.439 --> 1:30:53.880 be doing it. 1:30:53.920 --> 1:30:56.080 But they're not going to be doing it anyway. They've 1:30:56.120 --> 1:30:56.479 had it. 1:30:57.200 --> 1:30:57.840 They've had it. 1:30:58.200 --> 1:31:00.160 Now maybe someday in the future will want that. 1:31:00.920 --> 1:31:03.800 But I've asked Marco, do you want to draw I 1:31:03.920 --> 1:31:05.880 just asked him the question as we were walking on 1:31:05.880 --> 1:31:07.799 the stage. You want to draw up a little agreement 1:31:07.800 --> 1:31:09.360 for them to sign, because I think we can get 1:31:09.439 --> 1:31:12.960 them to sign it. I don't think it's necessary. 1:31:13.360 --> 1:31:17.000 So there, obviously Marca would be Marco Rubio there. And 1:31:17.040 --> 1:31:20.559 this bit here is that Donald Trump NATO hasn't ended 1:31:20.560 --> 1:31:22.240 the Ukraine Russia War. 1:31:22.439 --> 1:31:25.720 It once said that you would end the Ukraine War 1:31:25.760 --> 1:31:29.200 in twenty four hours. You later said you said that sarcastically. 1:31:29.360 --> 1:31:30.560 Of course it was sarcastic. 1:31:30.720 --> 1:31:33.160 But you've now been in office for five months and 1:31:33.320 --> 1:31:36.479 five days. Why have you not been able to end 1:31:36.640 --> 1:31:37.439 the Ukraine War? 1:31:37.720 --> 1:31:41.920 Because it's more difficult than people would have any idea. 1:31:42.840 --> 1:31:46.400 Vladimir Putin has been more difficult. Frankly, I had some 1:31:46.479 --> 1:31:47.560 problems with Zelinsky. 1:31:47.600 --> 1:31:48.639 You may have read about them. 1:31:49.320 --> 1:31:50.599 And it's been more. 1:31:50.400 --> 1:31:51.559 Difficult than other wars. 1:31:51.640 --> 1:31:53.400 I mean, look, we just ended a war in twelve 1:31:53.520 --> 1:31:56.000 days that was simmering for thirty years. 1:31:56.000 --> 1:31:59.120 Frankly, there you got Donald Trump talking at NATO there. 1:31:59.120 --> 1:32:01.439 I didn't look up a Fox News a moment ago, 1:32:01.439 --> 1:32:05.759 and they did have a story about sleeper cells, Iranian 1:32:05.800 --> 1:32:08.080 sleeper cells that they're keeping an eye out for. But 1:32:08.200 --> 1:32:09.960 further to that too, I did see a story that 1:32:10.040 --> 1:32:13.800 was in the Wall Street Journal about how US officials 1:32:13.840 --> 1:32:18.000 and private experts are warning that Evran may retaliate with 1:32:18.240 --> 1:32:21.280 something along the lines of cyber attacks, and apparently they 1:32:21.320 --> 1:32:23.280 have a wide range of cyber attacks. I don't know 1:32:23.320 --> 1:32:27.160 how true this is, there could be some suspected Iranian 1:32:27.240 --> 1:32:29.840 cyber attacks against the US. So I thought i'd catch 1:32:29.920 --> 1:32:33.559 up with Skeeve Stevens, the futurist, who we've spoken to before, 1:32:34.320 --> 1:32:38.040 about the Iranian cyber capability and whether or not it's 1:32:38.640 --> 1:32:40.599 any good. I mean, we're led to believe it's active, 1:32:40.600 --> 1:32:42.680 but whether or not it's weak, say compared to that 1:32:42.720 --> 1:32:45.200 of the US and Israel and other countries too. So 1:32:45.200 --> 1:32:46.439 that's going to be a little bit later on. If 1:32:46.439 --> 1:32:48.280 you're still with us at five point fifteen, they've got 1:32:48.280 --> 1:32:49.960 a long way to go yet, though it's only yeah, 1:32:50.000 --> 1:32:52.200 twenty minutes past two. We're going to go to the 1:32:52.400 --> 1:32:55.000 Thursday Morning Live Lounge in a moment. I've got a 1:32:55.000 --> 1:32:58.080 really great song that we're going to hear this morning acoustically, 1:32:58.200 --> 1:33:01.559 albeit played on the piano, well the keyboard, in fact, 1:33:01.560 --> 1:33:04.040 not the piano, but the keyboard. You will be able 1:33:04.040 --> 1:33:07.000 to hump a piano in here. So that's coming up 1:33:07.120 --> 1:33:09.880 a little bit later on this hour, but next up 1:33:10.479 --> 1:33:13.040 being this time of the Wednesday morning. We always catch 1:33:13.080 --> 1:33:17.120 up with this Thursday, isn't it, Craigy Thursday already gets 1:33:17.120 --> 1:33:19.120 away from you. So this time on a Thursday morning, 1:33:19.320 --> 1:33:22.400 we always catch up with our good friend leithman Onsolin 1:33:22.479 --> 1:33:24.960 with the Treasury of Common Sense, and we'll get to 1:33:25.000 --> 1:33:28.880 that next to twenty twenty three minutes past two. I 1:33:28.960 --> 1:33:30.960 just got a text from Michael who wanted to know 1:33:31.000 --> 1:33:33.120 how to watch the cricket, and that was Viv who 1:33:33.160 --> 1:33:35.439 sent him that response, and Michael is very grateful Viv. 1:33:35.640 --> 1:33:37.840 He said, I didn't know I could watch the Australia 1:33:37.960 --> 1:33:41.360 the West Indies cricket on ESPN. So he's got that 1:33:41.439 --> 1:33:44.439 on his Foxtel channel and he's now I presume watching 1:33:44.520 --> 1:33:46.439 that and listening to us. And if you are listening 1:33:46.439 --> 1:33:48.080 to us, Michael, anytime you feel like giving me a 1:33:48.160 --> 1:33:51.120 quick score update, I shall pass it on to the 1:33:51.120 --> 1:33:53.880 people as well. As I said. The Thursday Morning Live 1:33:53.960 --> 1:33:56.240 Lounge one of our favorite morning segments on a Thursday 1:33:56.280 --> 1:33:58.479 because we get to hear a little bit of music 1:33:58.800 --> 1:34:01.680 and songs played a acoustically. When you strip them back 1:34:01.720 --> 1:34:04.360 and you hear them acoustically, you get a completely different 1:34:04.360 --> 1:34:07.120 perspective and a feel for this song. You know this 1:34:07.280 --> 1:34:09.200 song and you love this song too, but you're going 1:34:09.280 --> 1:34:11.920 to be hearing it done a little differently and the 1:34:11.960 --> 1:34:14.559 story behind it from the man that sang it. That's 1:34:14.600 --> 1:34:16.960 on the way. But now it's our good friend, Leith 1:34:17.040 --> 1:34:17.719 van Onsolin. 1:34:18.680 --> 1:34:20.800 Morning, Leith, now on overnights. 1:34:21.000 --> 1:34:23.080 I have believe in reason and common sense. 1:34:23.400 --> 1:34:27.360 Leaf van Onsolin from Macro business with a treasury of 1:34:27.479 --> 1:34:29.280 common sense. 1:34:32.640 --> 1:34:37.000 How are you, Leith? I'm okay. I've noticed that the 1:34:37.080 --> 1:34:40.520 New South Wales and Queensland governments have released their state budgets. 1:34:40.720 --> 1:34:43.360 Any good, Yeah, Look. 1:34:43.720 --> 1:34:46.519 The areas which are most interesting from the state budgets 1:34:46.560 --> 1:34:49.679 actually relate to housing policy. So both New South Wales 1:34:49.720 --> 1:34:54.599 and Queensland mounts some pretty significant housing policy announcements and 1:34:54.680 --> 1:34:59.280 to me it basically highlighted how both states are fighting 1:34:59.280 --> 1:35:02.479 a losing war on housing. So we look at New 1:35:02.520 --> 1:35:06.760 South Wales first. So the most significant news the initiative 1:35:06.760 --> 1:35:11.200 in New South Wales budget on Tuesday was the government's 1:35:11.240 --> 1:35:13.559 pledged to guarantee up to one billion dollars in new 1:35:13.560 --> 1:35:17.000 housing developments. So effectually we have this situation not just 1:35:17.080 --> 1:35:19.880 in New South Wales but around Australia where if I properly. 1:35:19.920 --> 1:35:23.599 Developers often face troubles getting financed for new projects because 1:35:23.640 --> 1:35:27.400 they lack adequate presales. So often if a developer goes 1:35:27.400 --> 1:35:28.840 to a bank and they need and they want to get, 1:35:28.880 --> 1:35:32.920 you know, a large summer money for a development, they'll say, okay, 1:35:33.400 --> 1:35:36.040 how many pre sales do you have and they'll often say, well, 1:35:36.040 --> 1:35:38.240 we don't have an art or whatever, and they'll they'll 1:35:38.280 --> 1:35:41.280 get rejected finance. So that means that the development doesn't 1:35:41.280 --> 1:35:43.600 go ahead and we obviously don't get that supply. So 1:35:43.680 --> 1:35:45.559 if the New South Wales government has promised to do 1:35:45.680 --> 1:35:49.040 is to purchase any unsolved stock in a housing development 1:35:49.640 --> 1:35:53.320 up to fifty million dollars per development, so effectively they 1:35:53.400 --> 1:35:56.000 want to become the buyer of last resort. So that 1:35:56.120 --> 1:36:00.599 means that it should appease bank's concerns about the financial 1:36:00.680 --> 1:36:04.800 viability of projects, and it should encourage qualified developers to 1:36:04.840 --> 1:36:09.519 borrow more to build projects, which which should therefore increase supply. 1:36:09.720 --> 1:36:12.559 So the New South Wales Treasurer Daniel Lookie claimed that 1:36:13.040 --> 1:36:15.840 the policy would quote Britain forward the construction of up 1:36:15.880 --> 1:36:18.439 to fifteen thousand extra homes over the next five years. 1:36:18.439 --> 1:36:21.559 Now that's obviously a good thing. You know, fifteen thousand 1:36:21.560 --> 1:36:24.320 extra homes is great, but it's nowhere near enough. So 1:36:26.000 --> 1:36:29.479 the federal government's advisory Council on Housing, the National Houses 1:36:29.520 --> 1:36:31.960 Supply and Affordability Council, or at least a report last 1:36:32.000 --> 1:36:36.040 month and a forecast, suggested that New South Wales would 1:36:36.040 --> 1:36:38.759 only meet sixty five percent of its agreed housing target 1:36:38.760 --> 1:36:38.960 over the. 1:36:38.920 --> 1:36:39.599 Next five years. 1:36:39.640 --> 1:36:42.280 So what it basically said is that New South Wales 1:36:42.320 --> 1:36:45.680 would deliver one hundred and thirty thousand less homes than 1:36:45.760 --> 1:36:48.880 is required to meet this housing target. So in this 1:36:48.960 --> 1:36:53.160 regard the New South Wales government's Borough of Last Resort policy, 1:36:54.120 --> 1:36:57.320 which as Daniel Lookie said, aims to deliver fifteen thousand 1:36:57.320 --> 1:37:01.280 homes over five years, that's great. Federal government's own Advisory 1:37:01.360 --> 1:37:04.400 Counts on Supply says that New South Wales is facing 1:37:04.479 --> 1:37:08.320 one hundred and thirty thousand supply gaps, so obviously fifteen 1:37:08.360 --> 1:37:10.080 thousand there is a lot less than one hundred and 1:37:10.080 --> 1:37:12.640 thirty thousand. In fact, it's only twelve percent of one 1:37:12.680 --> 1:37:16.759 hundred and thirty thousand. So you know, this basically shows 1:37:16.800 --> 1:37:20.280 you that New South Wales New South Wales's housing market. 1:37:20.280 --> 1:37:23.519 Even if this policy did deliver what's promised, is still 1:37:23.520 --> 1:37:27.120 going to be massively undersupplied of housing, which just means 1:37:27.160 --> 1:37:29.720 the housing crisis is going to drag on. And there's 1:37:29.720 --> 1:37:31.920 also the risk that there's also the risk that New 1:37:31.960 --> 1:37:35.519 South Wales taxpayers could be left carrying the can for 1:37:36.640 --> 1:37:41.559 poor equality development. So presumably if a development can't sell 1:37:41.640 --> 1:37:44.720 and the taxpayers they step in and buy these apartments, 1:37:45.040 --> 1:37:47.040 you'd think that it's more likely they've been in developments 1:37:47.040 --> 1:37:49.519 that are poor quality. So for example, if it developer 1:37:49.560 --> 1:37:51.360 goes out and builds a whole bunch of you know, 1:37:51.400 --> 1:37:56.040 not very good town homes or apartments or whatever, and 1:37:56.080 --> 1:37:58.320 they struggle to sell them because they're not very good 1:37:58.320 --> 1:38:01.120 and people don't to buy them, taxpayer could be left 1:38:01.200 --> 1:38:04.800 picking up the picking up these apartments. 1:38:05.000 --> 1:38:06.240 Yeah, of course, so. 1:38:06.160 --> 1:38:09.040 There is obviously a risk of that. That's pretty much 1:38:09.040 --> 1:38:12.160 an outside risk. But when we dig down to it, 1:38:12.200 --> 1:38:15.320 so this National House is supplying Affordability Council forecast one 1:38:15.400 --> 1:38:18.759 hundred and thirty thousand dollars one hundred and thirty thousand 1:38:18.800 --> 1:38:21.519 deficit of homes, so not one hundred and thirty thousand 1:38:21.560 --> 1:38:24.799 fewer homes to be supplied that are required. This policy 1:38:24.840 --> 1:38:27.960 says we'll do another fifteen thousand, so that's obviously a 1:38:27.960 --> 1:38:30.880 lot less that. The key problem here, feel is that 1:38:32.000 --> 1:38:34.799 the fundamental reason why New South Wales has a housing 1:38:34.840 --> 1:38:39.000 shortage is because of excessive net overseas migration. So the 1:38:39.040 --> 1:38:42.160 population data came out last week from the Train Bureau Statistics, 1:38:42.439 --> 1:38:44.240 and what it showed is that New South Wales grew 1:38:44.240 --> 1:38:47.000 by one hundred and eight thousand people last calendar year 1:38:47.040 --> 1:38:50.000 so twenty twenty four. That was driven almost one hundred 1:38:50.000 --> 1:38:53.799 percent by net overseas migration of one hundred and seven thousand, 1:38:53.880 --> 1:38:57.840 So New South Wales lost about twenty eight thousand people 1:38:57.880 --> 1:39:00.960 to other states, which offset the net birth that's birth's 1:39:00.960 --> 1:39:04.160 minus deaths, So effectfully all of New South Wales's population 1:39:04.240 --> 1:39:07.240 growth last year came from people coming from overseas, and 1:39:07.320 --> 1:39:11.000 in fact, in the decade to December twenty twenty four, 1:39:11.120 --> 1:39:14.960 so for the last ten years, newth Wales's population has 1:39:14.960 --> 1:39:18.519 grown by nine hundred and eighty three thousand net overseas migration, 1:39:18.800 --> 1:39:21.200 so people are right from overseas is counter for eighty 1:39:21.240 --> 1:39:23.920 eight percent of that eight hundred and eighty two thousand, 1:39:24.680 --> 1:39:28.720 and also the remainder of that is natural increase, which 1:39:28.760 --> 1:39:31.240 is birth mine deaths, but migrants also have children. So 1:39:31.240 --> 1:39:33.960 if you bring it, bring a whole eight hundred and 1:39:33.960 --> 1:39:36.720 eighty two thousand migrants into New South Wales, well, some 1:39:36.760 --> 1:39:38.120 of those migrants are going to have children and then 1:39:38.120 --> 1:39:41.479 that gets counters is natural increase. So what this tells 1:39:41.520 --> 1:39:44.240 you is that all of New South Wales's population growth 1:39:44.680 --> 1:39:48.720 and therefore housing demand which is causing this housing crisis, 1:39:49.400 --> 1:39:53.040 is because of this very high level of net overseas migration. 1:39:53.240 --> 1:39:55.880 So if the New South plaus government really wants to 1:39:55.880 --> 1:39:58.479 solve this problem, you know that this poles is great, 1:39:58.760 --> 1:40:01.559 but what it really is needs to do is to 1:40:01.680 --> 1:40:05.200 tell the federal government to slow migration down and cut 1:40:05.200 --> 1:40:09.439 it to some a sensible and sustainable level that is 1:40:09.439 --> 1:40:12.880 compatible with New South Wales and it goes to the 1:40:12.880 --> 1:40:17.000 other states as well, Australia's capacity to build housing and infrastructure, 1:40:17.000 --> 1:40:19.960 because really, for the last twenty years the federal government 1:40:19.960 --> 1:40:23.439 has fire hosed huge amounts of neat overseas migration into 1:40:23.479 --> 1:40:28.360 the country. The state that gets the line's share of 1:40:28.400 --> 1:40:31.599 that net overseas migration is New South Wales, followed by 1:40:32.000 --> 1:40:37.879 Victorian Queensland. So therefore, if we've got this pervasive, chronic 1:40:38.040 --> 1:40:41.439 housing supply problem. The logical solution is to slow that 1:40:41.479 --> 1:40:44.519 net overseas migration down and then you actually solve the 1:40:44.560 --> 1:40:47.599 housing shortage. And that is really the number one solution here. 1:40:47.600 --> 1:40:51.000 Everything else is window dressing and that's really what Daniel 1:40:51.040 --> 1:40:54.040 Mookie and you know Chrispin should be doing. They should 1:40:54.040 --> 1:40:56.599 be staying to Camber. Look, we can't build enough houses 1:40:56.680 --> 1:40:59.759 quick enough to keep up with this supply, this massive 1:41:00.280 --> 1:41:04.000 that you keep bringing into our state through through neover 1:41:04.040 --> 1:41:06.920 Sin's migration. So you need to slow this down. And 1:41:07.000 --> 1:41:10.519 I think that is a real solution. Now, just turning 1:41:10.560 --> 1:41:13.640 to Queensland, So Queensland has taken a different road to 1:41:13.680 --> 1:41:17.040 their housing policy, but it's also equally important. I think 1:41:17.040 --> 1:41:21.439 it's actually lot worse. So just to put some number 1:41:21.439 --> 1:41:24.599 around this, Brisbane's median home price has surged by eighty 1:41:24.600 --> 1:41:30.080 five percent since March twenty twenty, so the cost of 1:41:30.120 --> 1:41:34.200 housing in Brisbane has absolutely rocketed since the pandemic. And 1:41:34.240 --> 1:41:37.879 according to prop Track, which is a house in Nels's firm, 1:41:38.439 --> 1:41:43.280 they estimate that that Brisbane's median home value was eight 1:41:43.400 --> 1:41:45.320 hundred and nine thousand in May, and that's actually the 1:41:45.360 --> 1:41:48.400 second highest in the nation now behind Sydney. So Brisbane 1:41:48.479 --> 1:41:50.760 used to be relatively affordable, is a lot less than 1:41:50.840 --> 1:41:53.479 Melbourne et cetera. Now Brisbane is the second most expensive 1:41:53.479 --> 1:41:57.240 housing market in the country and the Queensland State budget 1:41:57.280 --> 1:42:00.519 this week announced the most generous shared equite scheme in 1:42:00.520 --> 1:42:02.760 the nation. So what it basically said is that once 1:42:02.840 --> 1:42:10.720 to promise promise to help Queensland first home buyers, oh 1:42:10.880 --> 1:42:15.000 so should I say Queensland home buyers purchase homes valued 1:42:15.000 --> 1:42:17.599 it up to one million dollars. So under its policy, 1:42:18.320 --> 1:42:20.719 single households earning up to one hundred and fifty thousand 1:42:21.280 --> 1:42:23.240 and households are to adults e ard up to two 1:42:23.320 --> 1:42:27.120 hundred and twenty five thousand will be eligible for basically 1:42:27.120 --> 1:42:31.679 this shared equity scheme, whereby the Queensland State Government will 1:42:31.720 --> 1:42:34.639 invest either thirty percent of equity in the new bills 1:42:34.640 --> 1:42:37.360 of twenty five percent into existing houses up to one 1:42:37.360 --> 1:42:42.680 million dollars. And what this effectively means is that it'll 1:42:42.720 --> 1:42:45.719 allow it'll allow a whole bunch of people who couldn't 1:42:45.720 --> 1:42:49.640 previously afford to get in that housing in Queensland to 1:42:49.720 --> 1:42:51.360 now be able to purchase housing. And what will do 1:42:51.439 --> 1:42:53.000 is will bring a whole bunch of new buyers in 1:42:53.080 --> 1:42:57.120 the market. And like all first home buyers grants or 1:42:57.160 --> 1:42:59.160 any other of these sorts of policies that we've seen 1:42:59.200 --> 1:43:01.760 over the last twenty five five years, it's ultimately just 1:43:01.840 --> 1:43:04.600 going to push up home prices because you're going to 1:43:04.640 --> 1:43:09.040 have increasing demand, increasing number of buyers, people borrowing more 1:43:09.040 --> 1:43:13.800 than they would have otherwise, bidding on the same amount 1:43:13.840 --> 1:43:15.840 of stock, and what it's going to end up doing 1:43:15.960 --> 1:43:17.799 is just going to end up pushing our home prices. 1:43:17.840 --> 1:43:20.080 So what it means is that it's actually very self 1:43:20.080 --> 1:43:23.680 defeating from a housing affordability perspective, and it's just going 1:43:23.680 --> 1:43:26.200 to drive prices higher. It's going to and what that 1:43:26.320 --> 1:43:28.360 means is once you drive the prices higher, as we've 1:43:28.360 --> 1:43:30.400 seen in the last twenty five years, you end up 1:43:30.439 --> 1:43:32.000 just with a less affordable housing. 1:43:31.760 --> 1:43:32.759 Market in the end. 1:43:33.000 --> 1:43:36.760 And it's also about noting that this policy inquint this 1:43:36.920 --> 1:43:41.120 shared equity policy in Queensland comes alongside the Reserve Bank 1:43:41.160 --> 1:43:44.280 of Australia which has already comes to straits twice and 1:43:44.960 --> 1:43:49.080 it's and it's forecast to cut rates by another three 1:43:49.120 --> 1:43:51.799 times this year, which is going to add more demand 1:43:51.800 --> 1:43:54.479 the housing and push up house prices. Also, the federal 1:43:54.520 --> 1:43:57.880 government has announced the five percent depositive scheme for first 1:43:57.920 --> 1:44:00.439 home buyers, which comes into effect on the first of 1:44:00.520 --> 1:44:04.559 January twenty twenty six. So all these sorts of policies, 1:44:05.240 --> 1:44:08.759 low interest rates, shared equity schemes from the Queensland government, 1:44:09.479 --> 1:44:12.240 the Federal government's five percent to positive scheme, all it's 1:44:12.240 --> 1:44:14.000 going to end up doing is just going to add 1:44:14.120 --> 1:44:16.680 way more demand to the housing market. People are going 1:44:16.760 --> 1:44:19.240 to borrow more money, We're going to have a higher 1:44:19.240 --> 1:44:21.679 household debt, and it's going to end up just pushing 1:44:21.680 --> 1:44:24.800 our home process even further. And it's actually the last 1:44:24.840 --> 1:44:27.360 thing you want to do when you have and when 1:44:27.400 --> 1:44:31.160 you have a housing affordability problem is actually just increased demands, 1:44:31.160 --> 1:44:34.719 so you make home structurally more unaffordable. And we've really 1:44:34.720 --> 1:44:38.679 seen how this story ends throughout this century with first 1:44:38.680 --> 1:44:41.160 time biogrounds, shared equity schemes, all these sorts of schemes 1:44:41.160 --> 1:44:43.080 are seen in our last twenty five years have all 1:44:43.160 --> 1:44:46.240 just ended up pushing prices higher. They haven't made housing 1:44:46.240 --> 1:44:48.559 more affordable and in the end, which has ended up 1:44:48.600 --> 1:44:52.560 with higher home prices and more household debt. So Unfortunately, 1:44:53.200 --> 1:44:56.160 I think the Queensland's policy, the Queensland governments policy is 1:44:56.160 --> 1:44:59.479 self defeating from an affordability perspective. It's just going to 1:44:59.479 --> 1:45:01.000 make the situation even worse. 1:45:01.880 --> 1:45:04.559 Always good to torture, my friend. It is the Treasury 1:45:04.600 --> 1:45:07.360 of common sense. Thank you so much. Enjoy your holiday, Leith. 1:45:07.840 --> 1:45:10.360 Yeah, thanks film and I'll catch you in a couple 1:45:10.360 --> 1:45:10.679 of weeks. 1:45:11.000 --> 1:45:13.640 Indeed, the you get Leith van Nonsalin, who's having a 1:45:13.720 --> 1:45:16.120 well deserved holiday for a couple of weeks as well, 1:45:16.160 --> 1:45:18.599 giving it's the Treasury of common sense. And a couple 1:45:18.640 --> 1:45:21.879 of texts that came through Albe said absolutely correct. Government 1:45:21.920 --> 1:45:26.360 assistant assistance has always driven up housing prices, and this 1:45:26.439 --> 1:45:30.320 one from Chris phil Canada had housing supply issues and 1:45:30.360 --> 1:45:33.719 they solved it by limiting immigration. The problem is worse 1:45:33.760 --> 1:45:37.519 here with additional, bigger supply issues. Thank you so much. 1:45:37.640 --> 1:45:40.559 Zero four six zero eight seven three eight seven three 1:45:40.680 --> 1:45:43.960 on the text, and it's two thirty five twenty five 1:45:44.000 --> 1:45:46.880 to three in the old school language. Who's in the 1:45:47.000 --> 1:45:50.719 Thursday morning jazz club? Well, it's not really a jazz club. 1:45:51.000 --> 1:45:52.840 And on the subject to that, can I just quickly 1:45:52.840 --> 1:45:57.639 say I can't believe that the Foundry Jazz Club in 1:45:57.680 --> 1:46:01.760 Sydney is closing down, which is it's been around. It's 1:46:01.800 --> 1:46:07.000 in Ultimore, Gleeb Ultimore on Harris Street. It's been there forever. Well, 1:46:07.040 --> 1:46:08.720 when I say forever, at least I don't know, at 1:46:08.800 --> 1:46:11.280 least five years, which is pretty long for a venue 1:46:11.320 --> 1:46:13.000 these days. And I had a look there because I 1:46:13.040 --> 1:46:14.679 like to go to the Foundry like a bit of jazz, 1:46:14.720 --> 1:46:18.760 and I noticed it was closing down. And Chris next 1:46:18.760 --> 1:46:20.760 door in the studio on the wheels that Steel gave 1:46:20.800 --> 1:46:23.160 me another jazz place that I wasn't aware of. But 1:46:23.280 --> 1:46:26.360 in Sydney it's more and more venues closing down. And 1:46:26.400 --> 1:46:29.080 when you think of if you're a jazz fan, you 1:46:29.200 --> 1:46:30.800 used to be able to go to the Basement, and 1:46:30.840 --> 1:46:32.680 there were one or two other places as well. There 1:46:32.760 --> 1:46:35.400 was I think three to three was the other place, 1:46:35.479 --> 1:46:38.519 which was up near Redford, but they've both gone now. 1:46:38.720 --> 1:46:41.280 And now it seems that the Foundry six one six 1:46:41.320 --> 1:46:43.760 in Harris Street and Ultimore in Sydney that's going to 1:46:43.840 --> 1:46:45.920 close down too, So you know, it's such a shame. 1:46:46.320 --> 1:46:49.280 But anyway, the Thursday Morning Live Lounge, we'll get to 1:46:49.320 --> 1:46:52.960 that next twenty minutes to three. Hello Viv, thank you 1:46:53.000 --> 1:46:56.160 for the cricket score. Australia is now three for sixty five. 1:46:56.200 --> 1:46:58.599 Thank you Viv for sending that through. If Michael took 1:46:58.640 --> 1:47:01.920 your suggestion and he's watching the foxtail, but we'll keep 1:47:01.960 --> 1:47:04.360 you updated on that in the cricket scores as and 1:47:04.400 --> 1:47:06.559 when they come through from Viv. You're now the official 1:47:06.600 --> 1:47:09.559 cricket score person. I was talking about the lack of 1:47:09.680 --> 1:47:11.880 jazz bars in Sydney now and I mentioned a moment 1:47:11.880 --> 1:47:15.280 ago that the Foundry, which is in Harris Street in Sydney, 1:47:15.720 --> 1:47:18.120 that's closed and that's such a shame that's closing because 1:47:18.120 --> 1:47:20.400 it's such a great venue. But in Brisbane they've got 1:47:20.439 --> 1:47:23.920 loads Brisbane Jazz Club, the Do What Bar. I used 1:47:23.920 --> 1:47:25.720 to go to the Brisbane Jazz Club when I lived 1:47:25.720 --> 1:47:28.479 in Brisbane under the Bridge, Kangaroo Point. Great place. You've 1:47:28.479 --> 1:47:31.479 got the Do What bar, and you also you have 1:47:31.600 --> 1:47:34.240 in Brisbane the Brooklyn Standard. It looks like in Sydney. 1:47:34.280 --> 1:47:37.120 I think you know, Chris said to me Hubert's is 1:47:37.160 --> 1:47:39.000 one place that has a bit of jazz going on 1:47:39.080 --> 1:47:41.240 in Sydney. But I wasn't aware of that. So I 1:47:41.280 --> 1:47:42.599 have to go and have a look at that. Let's 1:47:42.600 --> 1:47:45.960 get ourselves into a smoky jazz environment here as we 1:47:46.000 --> 1:47:49.679 go into the Thursday morning live lounge and see who 1:47:49.680 --> 1:47:51.800 we have this morning. Well, he didn't come in live 1:47:51.920 --> 1:47:54.559 because even at you know, nineteen to three in the morning, 1:47:54.560 --> 1:47:56.559 if you're a musician, it's a bit of a big call. 1:47:56.880 --> 1:47:58.720 But he did pop in during the daytime for a 1:47:58.760 --> 1:48:00.760 pre recorded chat and said he was going to do 1:48:00.840 --> 1:48:03.680 the song, but you know, very very well. But he 1:48:03.720 --> 1:48:05.400 said he would do it not on the piano but 1:48:05.479 --> 1:48:07.519 on a keyboard. I said, that's good because we've got 1:48:07.560 --> 1:48:10.120 no room in here for a piano. But it sounded good. 1:48:10.439 --> 1:48:14.040 And his name is Daryl Breathwaite. I said, mate, good 1:48:14.040 --> 1:48:15.439 to see you, and you're looking very well. 1:48:15.680 --> 1:48:17.920 I'm very well, Thank you, Phil, nice to be here. 1:48:18.040 --> 1:48:19.880 Do you think they'll ever get a stage where you'll 1:48:19.880 --> 1:48:22.360 go that's it. I've sung all the songs that need 1:48:22.439 --> 1:48:24.240 to be sung, and I'm going to go fishing. 1:48:24.840 --> 1:48:27.760 Oh I doubt it. My band wouldn't let me. 1:48:28.040 --> 1:48:30.880 They're about a decade and a half younger than I am, 1:48:30.920 --> 1:48:33.800 and they go, Daryl, even if you're really. 1:48:33.560 --> 1:48:35.880 Really sick, we'll put sticks up your back. And just 1:48:35.920 --> 1:48:36.840 sit you on a chair. 1:48:36.960 --> 1:48:39.080 I was surprised that you're a Melbourne guy when always 1:48:39.080 --> 1:48:40.960 thought you were a Sidney person. But you and Surebert 1:48:41.000 --> 1:48:43.320 were in Sydney trying hard to break into Melbourne. 1:48:43.439 --> 1:48:48.639 Yeah, mainly because Melbourne was the place to break out 1:48:48.720 --> 1:48:51.760 of This is back in the early days when Ian 1:48:51.840 --> 1:48:53.360 Maldron was there as well. 1:48:53.439 --> 1:48:55.480 The whatever TV shows. 1:48:55.160 --> 1:48:59.679 Were originating out of Melbourne as well, and radio airplay 1:48:59.800 --> 1:49:01.200 was really important back then. 1:49:01.240 --> 1:49:04.120 Obviously still is now, but was more so then. 1:49:04.200 --> 1:49:07.839 And we made trip after trip down the Hume Highway 1:49:08.400 --> 1:49:11.679 and played every conceivable. 1:49:11.040 --> 1:49:13.599 Gig I think in Melbourne over and over and over again. 1:49:13.680 --> 1:49:16.760 And it took maybe three or four years before we 1:49:17.320 --> 1:49:19.400 made a dent into Melbourne. 1:49:19.400 --> 1:49:21.960 I guess go well, okay, I think the Angels did 1:49:21.960 --> 1:49:23.760 something very similar as well. They were up and down 1:49:23.760 --> 1:49:25.840 the highway. I think Iva Davies told me that too, 1:49:25.840 --> 1:49:28.000 that he was house back in the early day, flowers 1:49:28.080 --> 1:49:28.839 up and down the highway. 1:49:28.960 --> 1:49:29.960 Yeah, they all would have been. 1:49:30.320 --> 1:49:33.800 It's just late over the last couple of decades everyone flew. 1:49:33.880 --> 1:49:35.760 But back then you used to drive. 1:49:37.040 --> 1:49:38.880 And you'd have to go through the small towns too. 1:49:38.920 --> 1:49:42.200 There was and you'd play in the small towns as well. 1:49:42.560 --> 1:49:44.120 Do you know the thing I like about Sherbert A 1:49:44.160 --> 1:49:47.080 lot of people don't realize the complexity of the music 1:49:47.120 --> 1:49:50.320 that you played. Everybody remembers How's That? You know, it's 1:49:50.360 --> 1:49:52.599 a bit like being remembered for How's That? And the Horses, 1:49:52.680 --> 1:49:55.519 which is great. There was more to Daryl Braithwaite and 1:49:55.560 --> 1:49:57.559 more to Sherbet than just How's That? And I'd like 1:49:57.600 --> 1:49:59.599 to use it as an example. You've got the Gun. 1:50:00.000 --> 1:50:02.240 What a great song and you know, like a really 1:50:02.640 --> 1:50:04.720 a really mature song for that time too. 1:50:04.800 --> 1:50:04.960 Yeah. 1:50:05.000 --> 1:50:08.759 Well, it was just trying to think who Clive Garth 1:50:09.280 --> 1:50:11.720 and myself I think had a hand in writing it, 1:50:11.760 --> 1:50:15.400 and it was really we thought when we had finished it, 1:50:15.439 --> 1:50:19.400 we thought, oh, that sounds sophisticated enough to break into 1:50:19.439 --> 1:50:22.880 Melbourne and lo and behold it didn't. 1:50:23.880 --> 1:50:26.080 We thought, oh, how cool are we this? 1:50:26.280 --> 1:50:28.559 You know, like the musicians are like it, the people 1:50:28.560 --> 1:50:32.040 that like sort of something that's a bit musical, But nah, 1:50:32.200 --> 1:50:32.880 it didn't work. 1:50:33.200 --> 1:50:36.360 Wow, that's crazy. You talk about the sophistication of that 1:50:36.400 --> 1:50:38.720 particular song, and also some are love and what you 1:50:38.760 --> 1:50:41.040 guys were doing outside of How's That? And there was 1:50:41.360 --> 1:50:45.160 quite a juxtaposition between the two Australian styles at that 1:50:45.200 --> 1:50:47.880 particular era with the Angels and the roast tattoos, and 1:50:47.920 --> 1:50:50.040 then you had people like you and Little River Band 1:50:50.040 --> 1:50:52.160 who were doing stuff that was a lot more complex. 1:50:52.200 --> 1:50:53.280 I thought, yeah. 1:50:53.360 --> 1:50:56.360 And also those bands that you mentioned, like the Angels, 1:50:56.520 --> 1:50:59.200 and then we get onto Chisel and all that and 1:50:59.240 --> 1:51:02.160 Midnight Oil. They came at the sort of the crossroads 1:51:02.200 --> 1:51:05.599 when I guess the transition period around about seventy eight 1:51:05.760 --> 1:51:10.559 seventy nine where it really did change. It was sort 1:51:10.600 --> 1:51:14.360 of like, I think our style of music then the 1:51:14.360 --> 1:51:17.000 Sherbet thing was dying out and there was more like 1:51:17.040 --> 1:51:20.000 a I guess, like a punk influence, you know, like 1:51:20.080 --> 1:51:22.000 with Johnny Rotten and all that sort of stuff. 1:51:22.040 --> 1:51:24.120 It was really quite noticeable. 1:51:24.439 --> 1:51:27.080 Do you ever see any late night showings of Countdown 1:51:27.120 --> 1:51:30.120 and you go, oh no, here come to satin jackets, 1:51:30.160 --> 1:51:31.479 you know, the flower shrouds. 1:51:32.800 --> 1:51:35.760 I felt, no, never again, Oh no, no, no, I 1:51:35.800 --> 1:51:39.120 have seen them and it's quite endearing. You think, God, 1:51:39.200 --> 1:51:41.840 a mighty, how good did we look? Well, not really, 1:51:42.000 --> 1:51:44.479 and it was part and parcel for then. You know, 1:51:44.520 --> 1:51:45.519 it was quite amazing. 1:51:45.520 --> 1:51:46.599 I mean, you wouldn't do it now. 1:51:47.000 --> 1:51:47.799 No, no, you wouldn't. 1:51:47.920 --> 1:51:50.320 It was part of the whole development, I guess of 1:51:50.439 --> 1:51:52.599 pop music here in Australia at that time. 1:51:52.720 --> 1:51:53.799 What's the crowd favorite? 1:51:53.840 --> 1:51:56.840 That people loved the Horses is quite extraordinary. 1:51:57.120 --> 1:52:01.400 Every time I do it, it's still so enjoy to perform 1:52:01.680 --> 1:52:05.400 and also to see the people react, know the majority 1:52:05.439 --> 1:52:08.080 of them. It is weird though in some aspects, to have, 1:52:09.000 --> 1:52:11.479 I guess, be known just for one song, and I 1:52:11.520 --> 1:52:14.320 do actually mention that to them when we played to 1:52:14.840 --> 1:52:17.920 young people. I saw something the other day which was 1:52:18.040 --> 1:52:21.840 really strange on social media about somebody putting up there 1:52:21.880 --> 1:52:25.760 that if you played the Horses at eleven fifty eight 1:52:26.120 --> 1:52:30.120 or something just before midnight on New Year's Eve, then 1:52:30.600 --> 1:52:33.400 you would time it correctly so that on the stroke 1:52:33.439 --> 1:52:36.519 of midnight that you'd hit the chorus of the Horses 1:52:36.520 --> 1:52:37.120 and that could be. 1:52:37.080 --> 1:52:39.840 Your I don't know thing to take you into the 1:52:39.920 --> 1:52:41.800 New Year. And I thought, my god. 1:52:41.640 --> 1:52:43.439 I saw that, but I didn't realize I saw one 1:52:43.439 --> 1:52:44.920 of the ones they tried to sync up was in 1:52:44.960 --> 1:52:46.519 the air tonight and the drums to go with that. 1:52:46.600 --> 1:52:47.160 So fantastic. 1:52:47.160 --> 1:52:47.960 You've glad to be good. 1:52:48.000 --> 1:52:50.479 You've got your own wizard of oz moment going on here. 1:52:50.520 --> 1:52:52.880 Actually, yeah, yeah, unbeknownst to me, I have to ask 1:52:52.920 --> 1:52:53.680 my son about it. 1:52:53.680 --> 1:52:54.719 It's a lot younger. 1:52:54.840 --> 1:52:56.439 And what's the Ricky Lee Jones connection. 1:52:56.720 --> 1:52:58.880 Well, she wrote it, She had it as an album 1:52:58.920 --> 1:53:03.240 track way back in probably eighty six eighty seven, and 1:53:03.280 --> 1:53:05.479 I actually got to speak to her. We talked about 1:53:05.520 --> 1:53:08.280 the horses, and you know that she'd written it about 1:53:08.280 --> 1:53:10.680 her daughter, and I was trying to explain to her 1:53:10.720 --> 1:53:13.880 that it had been successful back in ninety one, that 1:53:14.040 --> 1:53:18.040 now it's probably still as successful, but in a different way, 1:53:18.160 --> 1:53:20.920 that it's been accepted by a lot of people for 1:53:21.360 --> 1:53:25.040 different reasons. And then we got into trying to analyze 1:53:25.280 --> 1:53:27.960 maybe what the reasons are about the song, and you 1:53:28.000 --> 1:53:30.599 could keep on going for a day, you know, trying 1:53:30.600 --> 1:53:31.200 to bring up. 1:53:31.240 --> 1:53:33.800 Reasons that there's not one specific thing. 1:53:34.120 --> 1:53:37.320 I don't think that you can say that would endear 1:53:37.439 --> 1:53:38.360 people to it. 1:53:38.360 --> 1:53:41.400 It's either the lyrics melody song itself. 1:53:42.160 --> 1:53:45.880 I remember actually contacting her publishers back then to find 1:53:45.880 --> 1:53:48.519 out well, obviously to get permission to record it, and 1:53:48.560 --> 1:53:50.320 to find out if she was going to release it 1:53:50.360 --> 1:53:53.920 as a single, which she never did. Also to find 1:53:53.920 --> 1:53:56.400 out what it was about. So it's had a really 1:53:56.400 --> 1:53:57.360 good life so far. 1:53:57.640 --> 1:53:59.479 Such a pleasure to talk to you. Thank you so much. 1:53:59.520 --> 1:53:59.960 It was a real pa. 1:54:00.400 --> 1:54:00.960 Thank you Phil. 1:54:01.280 --> 1:54:03.719 Do you want to hear the song that he recorded 1:54:03.760 --> 1:54:06.439 for us? Well you will after this ten to three. 1:54:06.560 --> 1:54:09.520 Thank you for the score. In the cricket Michael Australia 1:54:09.600 --> 1:54:13.960 versus West Indies, Australia three four sixty five. After lunch 1:54:14.200 --> 1:54:16.679 and another text that came in from Will said, Phil, 1:54:16.720 --> 1:54:20.080 do you remember the Musicians Club in Chalmers Street, Surrey 1:54:20.120 --> 1:54:23.320 Hills long gone? You're absolutely right. Leon Burger played there 1:54:23.680 --> 1:54:26.080 air supply and when they had the three lead vocalists. 1:54:26.080 --> 1:54:29.280 I go back to those days and I remember Will 1:54:29.360 --> 1:54:32.360 going to the Trade Union Club in Surrey Hills, the 1:54:32.360 --> 1:54:34.520 Hope Town as well. All these venues are gone now. 1:54:34.800 --> 1:54:37.800 I mentioned that this great venue jazz venue in Sydney, 1:54:37.920 --> 1:54:41.200 the Foundry that's gone, that's closing down end of June. 1:54:41.200 --> 1:54:44.240 It's incredible when you look at the venues, the amount 1:54:44.240 --> 1:54:47.640 of venues that are up and running in Brisbane and 1:54:47.760 --> 1:54:51.160 also in Melbourne compared to Sydney, it's incredible. More and 1:54:51.200 --> 1:54:54.000 more venues, live venues closing in Sydney and for a 1:54:54.040 --> 1:54:56.720 city the size of Sydney. It just seems like they 1:54:56.800 --> 1:54:58.360 just don't want to have a night life. 1:54:58.720 --> 1:54:58.920 You know. 1:55:00.000 --> 1:55:02.600 It's like for a twenty four hour international city the 1:55:02.640 --> 1:55:04.680 size of Sydney, if you want to go and see 1:55:04.680 --> 1:55:08.560 some live music, well, bad luck anyway. Darrel Breithwait, we 1:55:08.680 --> 1:55:11.320 had a chat about the Horses, the Ricky Lee Jones song. 1:55:11.640 --> 1:55:14.320 He recorded a version of it just using the keyboard. 1:55:14.880 --> 1:55:17.520 Sounds absolutely fantastic. Here it is for you in the 1:55:17.640 --> 1:55:24.560 Thursday Morning Live Lounge. Wasn't that amazing? Horses Darrel Brothwait 1:55:24.680 --> 1:55:27.880 in the Thursday Morning Live Lounge. And next week in 1:55:27.920 --> 1:55:30.240 the Thursday Morning Live Lounge, I believe we're gonna have 1:55:30.320 --> 1:55:32.879 diesel popping in just a guitar. Nothing quite as elaborate 1:55:32.920 --> 1:55:34.800 as that. I just got a text from Michael in 1:55:34.920 --> 1:55:38.320 Brisbane saying my favorite Darrel Breathwait song is higher than Hope, 1:55:38.400 --> 1:55:41.240 which I think was a better hit than Horses. Appreciate 1:55:41.280 --> 1:55:43.160 your text on that. All right, let's get your news 1:55:43.240 --> 1:55:46.000 update for three o'clock. Terry Barnes is on the way, 1:55:46.080 --> 1:55:49.680 and also more of your overnight news coming up. Great voice. 1:55:49.760 --> 1:55:52.360 Daryl Brethwait still has hasn't a for the age of 1:55:52.360 --> 1:55:55.440 seventy six as well. His voice is really hung in well, 1:55:55.680 --> 1:55:57.760 and Will said, do you remember the ann and Dale Hotel? 1:55:57.840 --> 1:55:59.960 Phil sure do. Will was talking about some of the 1:56:00.040 --> 1:56:02.200 bands that he saw there, like the Go Betweens two 1:56:02.520 --> 1:56:05.080 and Adale Hotel was always a really terrific venue. You 1:56:05.120 --> 1:56:07.400 know again, I just go back to, you know, a 1:56:07.480 --> 1:56:10.400 city the size of Sydney with just more and more 1:56:10.480 --> 1:56:14.840 diminishing live venues. It's absolutely criminal and hard to believe that, 1:56:14.920 --> 1:56:17.360 you know, that's the state that we're in. Terry Barnes 1:56:17.400 --> 1:56:19.480 will join us in just a moment to talk about 1:56:19.520 --> 1:56:22.320 the state of this week in politics that's on the way, 1:56:22.360 --> 1:56:24.720 and also a little bit of music news for you too. 1:56:24.800 --> 1:56:26.000 Let's get to the news update. 1:56:35.600 --> 1:56:40.440 On two GB, four BC and network stations. This is 1:56:40.480 --> 1:56:43.200 our Struggler overnight with Phil O'Neill. 1:56:43.600 --> 1:56:45.640 Yes, it maybe the middle of the night, but we're 1:56:45.640 --> 1:56:49.879 here for you ahead of of course, Ben ben Fordham 1:56:49.880 --> 1:56:51.800 this morning. That's a way away, a long way to 1:56:51.840 --> 1:56:53.920 go before we get there. Peter Figan on four BC 1:56:54.080 --> 1:56:56.240 as well. Twelve degrees in Brisbane at the moment it 1:56:56.280 --> 1:56:59.840 feels like nine degrees and in Sydney it's eight, but 1:57:00.080 --> 1:57:03.400 it feels like one. Wow, that's the coldest feels like 1:57:03.520 --> 1:57:06.080 that we've had so far, and I haven't been out 1:57:06.080 --> 1:57:07.840 for a while. Didn't feel that cold when I came 1:57:07.880 --> 1:57:09.800 in this morning, however, there was a lot of wind around, 1:57:09.840 --> 1:57:12.520 so I took my wife's mini car rather than jumping 1:57:12.520 --> 1:57:15.800 on the bike, rather than being pushed over. Chris was 1:57:15.840 --> 1:57:17.960 telling me from the studio next door. On the wheels 1:57:17.960 --> 1:57:20.480 of steel he took the motorbike out to yesterday nearly 1:57:20.520 --> 1:57:22.560 got blown over. So if you're on the bike, take 1:57:22.560 --> 1:57:25.160 it easy. Albie just said, all governments have given out 1:57:25.200 --> 1:57:30.160 incentives to buy housing. Prices always increase when they do. Ever, 1:57:30.280 --> 1:57:33.760 wonder how many pollys or how so many pollies get rich. 1:57:34.160 --> 1:57:37.840 Welcome to capitalism any under any other industry would be 1:57:37.920 --> 1:57:38.840 called inside training. 1:57:38.920 --> 1:57:39.200 Thank you. 1:57:39.280 --> 1:57:41.080 I'll live for your text. He all right, there's a 1:57:41.120 --> 1:57:44.160 lot of politicians who are very, very rich. I wonder 1:57:44.200 --> 1:57:48.200 which profession would actually give you the most amount of cash, 1:57:48.400 --> 1:57:50.080 certainly not this one. Oh, by the way, I don't 1:57:50.080 --> 1:57:52.800 forget I mentioned this before. Our good mate Jason Morrison 1:57:53.080 --> 1:57:55.160 will be doing the overnight show over the weekend. If 1:57:55.160 --> 1:57:57.560 he gets his ee in to come back and do 1:57:57.640 --> 1:57:59.440 some more stuff on the radio too, so you'll be 1:57:59.480 --> 1:58:02.240 able to hear this coming weekend. And this from David 1:58:02.320 --> 1:58:05.240 just said, Darryl Braithwait sounded incredible. He's going to be 1:58:05.240 --> 1:58:08.120 seventy five. He's seventy six, and you're right. The way 1:58:08.160 --> 1:58:10.440 he hits those notes are really really good. And he 1:58:10.480 --> 1:58:13.240 said my favorites a rise in one summer and looking 1:58:13.280 --> 1:58:16.040 forward to Dezil next week. The girls loved his John 1:58:16.080 --> 1:58:18.520 Travolta's style and look, and he had lots of bangers. 1:58:18.520 --> 1:58:20.200 You're right, David, and he's going to give us one 1:58:20.440 --> 1:58:22.360 next week. And Michael said, when are you going to 1:58:22.400 --> 1:58:24.960 have a chat with the Brewster brothers tomorrow? I think 1:58:25.000 --> 1:58:28.200 Michael for our segment behind the Song, which is around 1:58:28.240 --> 1:58:31.160 about this time in the morning tomorrow morning, hopefully catching 1:58:31.200 --> 1:58:34.040 up with John Brewster to hear the story behind the 1:58:34.080 --> 1:58:36.680 Angel song. Am I ever going to see your face again? 1:58:36.920 --> 1:58:38.520 Hang around with us. We've still got a long way 1:58:38.520 --> 1:58:40.520 to go till we get to five point thirty for 1:58:40.560 --> 1:58:43.320 the big Breakfast wake up, including Terry Barnes in just 1:58:43.360 --> 1:58:45.480 a moment. I've got a bit of music news on 1:58:45.520 --> 1:58:47.480 the way for you as well. And also we're going 1:58:47.480 --> 1:58:51.160 to talk about pandemics, and we caught up with Terry 1:58:51.200 --> 1:58:55.080 Slevin about this. It's interesting because there are now more 1:58:55.160 --> 1:58:59.360 talk about on this, some more talk about more pandemics 1:58:59.360 --> 1:59:01.400 coming out of Chi. I'll give you that news report 1:59:01.440 --> 1:59:03.720 a little bit later. And our good friend Luke Boner 1:59:03.880 --> 1:59:06.640 is back from his holiday where he's daughter, of course, 1:59:06.680 --> 1:59:09.720 got married. We talked about that last week. Luke Boner 1:59:09.880 --> 1:59:13.080 joins us with the Boner Report this morning from four 1:59:13.080 --> 1:59:16.960 point thirty and Skeeve Stevens as well, talking about whether 1:59:17.040 --> 1:59:21.000 or not Iran has any kind of cyber capability. The 1:59:21.040 --> 1:59:24.160 Wall Street Journal did a report saying, you know, we 1:59:24.160 --> 1:59:27.760 should be aware of perhaps possible cyber attacks that may 1:59:27.840 --> 1:59:30.680 come from Iran, but you know, how serious is that? 1:59:30.680 --> 1:59:30.760 What? 1:59:30.840 --> 1:59:32.920 We'll talk to Skeeve a little bit later. And also 1:59:33.000 --> 1:59:35.280 somebody else said on the text of course the Polly's 1:59:35.320 --> 1:59:38.160 are rich and spend their own money. Well, they can 1:59:38.200 --> 1:59:41.080 give themselves a pay rise. Imagine being in a position 1:59:41.240 --> 1:59:43.040 like that where you can just give yourself a three 1:59:43.080 --> 1:59:46.160 point five percent pay rise because you can got a 1:59:46.160 --> 1:59:48.640 couple of really interesting bits of news that I found 1:59:48.640 --> 1:59:51.360 while I was looking for things today or yesterday as 1:59:51.360 --> 1:59:53.120 it turns out now I didn't get out of my 1:59:53.120 --> 1:59:56.080 pajamas until much later on. So much wind around it 1:59:56.120 --> 1:59:58.960 was ridiculous. Hay fever was playing up, and I thought, no, 1:59:59.080 --> 2:00:01.520 I'm not going outside. I'm just going to spend the 2:00:01.560 --> 2:00:05.640 afternoon on the Internet in my pajamas, organizing guests for 2:00:05.680 --> 2:00:08.800 the show for you, and I came across some really 2:00:08.800 --> 2:00:11.879 interesting stories that I want to share with you. For example, 2:00:12.000 --> 2:00:17.040 China have just unveiled a mosquito sized drone, and we're 2:00:17.080 --> 2:00:20.320 all talking about drones now, especially since you know, the 2:00:21.000 --> 2:00:24.040 Israel Iran thing kicked off, and now we're aware of 2:00:24.080 --> 2:00:27.480 the kind of capabilities that drones have, and also Ukraine 2:00:27.520 --> 2:00:30.840 before that in Russia too. But now China have got 2:00:30.880 --> 2:00:36.040 these insect inspired they call them microdrones. So they've got 2:00:36.080 --> 2:00:40.360 the robob, They've got the robo Black Hornet, and these 2:00:40.360 --> 2:00:44.040 are for civilian and military uses. And this one is 2:00:44.080 --> 2:00:48.040 barely the size of a human fingernail. It's made to 2:00:48.120 --> 2:00:52.200 resemble mosquito. It's got two yellow leaf like wings, a 2:00:52.280 --> 2:00:56.320 black vertical body, three hair thin legs, and it's a 2:00:56.400 --> 2:00:59.520 drone that's capable of a whole range of things, you know, 2:00:59.600 --> 2:01:02.920 military and civilian. It's not that good. I don't think 2:01:02.960 --> 2:01:05.000 to carry weapons or mind you, if you wanted to 2:01:05.040 --> 2:01:06.880 take somebody out right, if you could do that with 2:01:06.920 --> 2:01:10.360 the capability, somebody go oh, just got bitten by a mosquito. 2:01:10.600 --> 2:01:13.160 Next thing you know, bang, they've fallen on the floor. Well, 2:01:13.160 --> 2:01:15.800 I don't think it's being used for that, but in 2:01:15.920 --> 2:01:19.600 true mission impossible style, it's going to be used for 2:01:19.680 --> 2:01:23.280 information gathering. I think I've seen some films in the 2:01:23.320 --> 2:01:26.960 past where something like this happened. I can't remember the film, 2:01:27.520 --> 2:01:30.280 but they had a fly with a camera on it 2:01:30.560 --> 2:01:32.879 and it was flying around in and out of buildings, 2:01:32.920 --> 2:01:35.240 and I thought, well, that's, you know, pretty high tech 2:01:35.560 --> 2:01:39.000 science fiction. Not anymore. China's going to do it, and 2:01:39.000 --> 2:01:42.120 they're going to use them for various intelligence and surveillance 2:01:42.160 --> 2:01:45.760 and reconnaissance tasks as well. And they're really quiet. They're 2:01:45.760 --> 2:01:48.240 almost invisible to the human eye, so you wouldn't even 2:01:48.280 --> 2:01:52.720 know it was there. It can bypass detection entering secure 2:01:52.920 --> 2:01:57.160 and restricted locations. So that is your mosquito size drone. 2:01:57.160 --> 2:01:59.520 But as I said, not just available for the military, 2:01:59.560 --> 2:02:02.760 but for villian uses too. Could you imagine the fun 2:02:02.800 --> 2:02:04.840 you can have around the office especially, I've had a 2:02:04.880 --> 2:02:07.440 little microphone on it. You know, there was a meeting 2:02:07.480 --> 2:02:09.920 going on about you that you knew of. You just 2:02:10.040 --> 2:02:13.680 fly your mosquito size drone in there immediately You're armed 2:02:13.680 --> 2:02:15.720 with information. When they come out, you could go, what 2:02:15.760 --> 2:02:18.560 do you mean you're gonna sack me. Here's another thing 2:02:18.600 --> 2:02:20.800 I found really interesting. You know how they did this 2:02:21.320 --> 2:02:26.240 amazing marathon bombing run, this US bombing mission that targeted 2:02:26.240 --> 2:02:30.040 the three nuclear facilities Iran over the weekend. I was 2:02:30.080 --> 2:02:34.120 reading about the massive undertaking. It was required for the 2:02:34.120 --> 2:02:38.280 B two bomber pilots to pretty much test the limits 2:02:38.480 --> 2:02:42.880 of human endurance during the thirty seven hour session. Because 2:02:42.880 --> 2:02:47.000 they had seven stealth bombers carrying two crew members. They 2:02:47.040 --> 2:02:50.320 flew NonStop halfway around the world. You think about that, right, 2:02:50.360 --> 2:02:52.880 thirty seven hour mission flew halfway across the world and 2:02:52.920 --> 2:02:55.640 then back in one of the longest air raids in 2:02:55.760 --> 2:02:59.920 modern military history. It's been described as an incredible feat. 2:03:00.320 --> 2:03:02.680 They had more than one hundred and twenty five aircraft 2:03:02.840 --> 2:03:05.520 used in the attack, and apart from the seven bombers 2:03:05.560 --> 2:03:09.280 that flew east from the Missouri Whiteman Air Force Base 2:03:09.400 --> 2:03:12.280 to strike Iran, they also have these B two bombers 2:03:12.280 --> 2:03:15.160 flying west. The thing about the B two bomber is that, 2:03:15.200 --> 2:03:17.360 I'm let's believe, you can only have two people in there, 2:03:17.640 --> 2:03:21.280 and it's really small. It's a pressurized cockpit and that 2:03:21.280 --> 2:03:23.840 can dehydrate you, so they had to drink water. But 2:03:23.960 --> 2:03:27.640 also they could only have a cat nap pretty much 2:03:27.680 --> 2:03:29.640 where they were because you know, you've seen the size 2:03:29.680 --> 2:03:32.960 of these B twos. The cockpit itself is tiny. So 2:03:33.040 --> 2:03:35.480 what they had to do was they had cat naps, 2:03:35.520 --> 2:03:38.520 and they had piddle packs, so that's if they wanted 2:03:38.520 --> 2:03:40.880 to have a Wii. It was a little zip lock 2:03:41.120 --> 2:03:45.960 type bag that was filled with kitty litter. Isn't that genius? 2:03:46.800 --> 2:03:49.320 If you've ever had a bad back and you've had 2:03:49.360 --> 2:03:51.960 to Wii into a plastic bag like I've had to do, 2:03:52.240 --> 2:03:54.600 or you've had to Wii into a bottle because you 2:03:54.640 --> 2:03:59.960 can't get out of bed, fill it up with cat litter. Genius. See, 2:04:00.160 --> 2:04:02.600 only the military could come up with something that brilliant. 2:04:02.640 --> 2:04:05.120 But yeah, apparently it was a real feat of a 2:04:05.280 --> 2:04:09.760 military precision and also human endurance to fly there and 2:04:09.840 --> 2:04:12.960 back in something basically the size of a little cubicle. 2:04:13.200 --> 2:04:14.680 You know, if you're at work, you'd be sitting in 2:04:14.880 --> 2:04:17.440 And one more thing that I found was absolutely fascinating. 2:04:17.560 --> 2:04:20.440 Do you know that your breathing pattern is as unique 2:04:20.440 --> 2:04:23.400 as a fingerprint? This takes it to a whole new level. 2:04:23.520 --> 2:04:27.920 When I found out that a tongue print is unique 2:04:28.280 --> 2:04:30.680 and as unique as a fingerprint, I couldn't believe that. 2:04:30.920 --> 2:04:34.400 So apparently it's true. Your tongue print is not that 2:04:34.440 --> 2:04:36.280 you're ever going to steal a car and lick it. 2:04:37.000 --> 2:04:40.000 You do, in that case, you deserve to be arrested anyway, 2:04:40.040 --> 2:04:42.120 don't steal a car. But you know, the thing is 2:04:42.160 --> 2:04:45.240 about the tongue print. You can be identified by that 2:04:45.800 --> 2:04:50.760 and a fingerprint. But now apparently your breathing pattern is 2:04:50.880 --> 2:04:55.800 also as unique as a fingerprint and can get you identified. 2:04:56.040 --> 2:04:59.120 It's portity of the scientists. It has to do with 2:04:59.200 --> 2:05:03.160 the unconscious rhythms of our inhales and exhales that are 2:05:03.200 --> 2:05:07.400 so unique that no two people have the same breathing 2:05:07.440 --> 2:05:12.360 pattern on this planet. How incredible is that. Take that 2:05:12.480 --> 2:05:14.800 to the bank and tell everybody at work you know 2:05:15.080 --> 2:05:19.160 about that. And also, apparently, according to the team of 2:05:19.200 --> 2:05:22.960 scientists who did this research, a person's nasal breathing pattern 2:05:23.360 --> 2:05:27.760 is so distinct you can be identified with an accuracy 2:05:27.880 --> 2:05:32.360 of ninety six point eight percent. That's how accurate it is. 2:05:33.200 --> 2:05:35.760 That's how accurate it is, according to the neuroscience, And 2:05:35.800 --> 2:05:37.960 they found about one hundred people. They've got them a 2:05:38.400 --> 2:05:41.960 small wearable device. They tracked their nasal air flow for 2:05:42.000 --> 2:05:44.960 twenty four hours, and then they found out that they 2:05:45.000 --> 2:05:49.200 turned the noses into biometric scanners, and they found out 2:05:49.640 --> 2:05:53.760 that your breathing pattern is so unique that it could 2:05:53.800 --> 2:05:56.640 probably stand up in a court of law. And you 2:05:56.680 --> 2:06:02.200 can be identically accurately identified ninety six point eight percent 2:06:02.240 --> 2:06:05.480 of the time. So if you're stealing something right now, 2:06:05.520 --> 2:06:08.240 just don't breathe, or better still, don't steal anything. I 2:06:08.280 --> 2:06:11.120 should have added that bit beforehand. Sixteen minutes past three. 2:06:11.120 --> 2:06:12.400 Would you like to get in touch on the phone. 2:06:12.400 --> 2:06:15.040 You can one three one eight seven three. You can 2:06:15.280 --> 2:06:18.200 text me on zero four six zero eight seven three 2:06:18.360 --> 2:06:21.000 eight seven three. You can email me overnights at two 2:06:21.120 --> 2:06:24.200 GB dot com. And coming up to seventeen minutes past three, 2:06:24.280 --> 2:06:26.680 we'll catch up with our good friend Terry Barnes after 2:06:26.720 --> 2:06:28.760 this to talk about the week so far in politics. 2:06:29.200 --> 2:06:31.360 How are you this morning? Yeah, okay, getting ready for 2:06:31.360 --> 2:06:33.280 the weekend. We've got to get through Thursday. Then here 2:06:33.320 --> 2:06:35.320 we have the weekend coming ups. Can be a cold 2:06:35.320 --> 2:06:37.760 one though, pretty chilly in Sydney. This morning feels like 2:06:37.840 --> 2:06:40.560 one degree coming up to twenty one minutes past three. 2:06:40.720 --> 2:06:43.280 Let's catch up with our good friend Terry Barnes. 2:06:43.760 --> 2:06:46.600 Now on overnights Order Order. 2:06:46.960 --> 2:06:48.440 The Prime Minister has the call. 2:06:48.480 --> 2:06:49.440 Thanks missus Streaker. 2:06:49.600 --> 2:06:52.560 It's the week in Politics with Terry Barnes. 2:06:53.320 --> 2:06:55.280 He's cold in his time and he wants to get 2:06:55.320 --> 2:06:57.720 to bed, but first there's business to be done. 2:06:57.760 --> 2:06:59.840 How are you, good morning, Pig. 2:07:00.160 --> 2:07:03.000 I am cold and I am tired, and the warmest 2:07:03.040 --> 2:07:03.840 plays I can think of. 2:07:04.480 --> 2:07:07.880 Susan Lee, is she dragging the Libs to the left? 2:07:08.520 --> 2:07:08.720 Well? 2:07:08.800 --> 2:07:11.800 Something? Going from her National Press Club speech yesterday, I'd 2:07:11.800 --> 2:07:16.640 have to say that whenever somebody from the right of 2:07:16.680 --> 2:07:19.600 politics talks about modern Australia, that means taking it to 2:07:19.600 --> 2:07:24.960 the left. Effectively. She admitted that Liberals were smashed in 2:07:24.960 --> 2:07:28.680 the May federal election. That's not that's the truth. But 2:07:29.200 --> 2:07:32.560 her solution, as far as I can see, is that 2:07:32.680 --> 2:07:35.520 she wants to talk about modern Australia and modern Australian 2:07:35.600 --> 2:07:39.920 values and not timeless Liberal party values or timeless center 2:07:40.040 --> 2:07:45.080 right or conservative or even well liberal well liberal values. 2:07:45.120 --> 2:07:50.840 So she lost me when she gave the acknowledgment of 2:07:50.920 --> 2:07:54.760 country right at the beginning, not because that's wrong in itself, 2:07:54.800 --> 2:07:59.200 but it sent a very clear coded message that she 2:07:59.400 --> 2:08:01.760 is not going to fight the culture wars. She's not 2:08:01.880 --> 2:08:04.680 going to actually talk to a base. She's going to 2:08:04.720 --> 2:08:07.520 talk to well, she's going to talk to the rest 2:08:07.520 --> 2:08:10.480 of the country, I think. And of course if they 2:08:10.520 --> 2:08:12.560 want to regain government, the littles have to do that. 2:08:12.640 --> 2:08:15.080 They actually have to respect their base as well. I 2:08:15.120 --> 2:08:19.960 get the sneaking feeling that as a moderate Liberal MP, 2:08:20.240 --> 2:08:22.880 she respects the moderate part of the Liberal Party that 2:08:23.160 --> 2:08:25.320 doesn't have much time with the conservative part, and that's 2:08:25.320 --> 2:08:28.360 going to be a very interesting, well battle to be 2:08:28.400 --> 2:08:30.680 fought internally over the next couple of years if she 2:08:30.760 --> 2:08:31.520 survived that long. 2:08:31.680 --> 2:08:33.880 Well, wasn't this the issue at the last election? You 2:08:33.960 --> 2:08:36.520 had all these factions inside the party pulling it to 2:08:36.600 --> 2:08:38.160 the left and that's how they ended up in so 2:08:38.240 --> 2:08:38.919 much disarray. 2:08:39.640 --> 2:08:42.240 Well that's very very true, and I think to the 2:08:42.360 --> 2:08:45.840 support that she got to become leader by not many 2:08:46.240 --> 2:08:50.040 votes over Angus Taylor, who is seen as being on 2:08:50.080 --> 2:08:54.400 the conservative wing, sort of highlights that, and then certainly 2:08:54.400 --> 2:08:58.960 some of her key shadow Cabinet appointments is highlighted that 2:08:59.040 --> 2:09:04.240 as well. My senses, yes, I think the Liberals have 2:09:04.400 --> 2:09:07.440 to look at the reality of modern Australia and what 2:09:07.520 --> 2:09:10.760 it is, what Australian's aspirations are. But I think they 2:09:10.800 --> 2:09:14.640 also need to explain to to many people, particularly the young, 2:09:15.080 --> 2:09:20.960 that the Times values that Bob Benzi's stood up for, 2:09:21.160 --> 2:09:24.960 that Liberals had stood up for since the founding of 2:09:25.000 --> 2:09:28.560 the party eighty years ago, in terms of smaller government, 2:09:28.560 --> 2:09:30.800 in terms of greater personal response bility, in terms of 2:09:30.800 --> 2:09:33.360 the role of the family in the community, the sense 2:09:33.400 --> 2:09:37.040 that people determine their own destinies and that don't have 2:09:36.840 --> 2:09:40.360 to well co live their lives with government. I mean, 2:09:41.080 --> 2:09:46.560 those things matter to civil society in my view. I 2:09:46.600 --> 2:09:49.680 think people on the right are not very good at 2:09:49.680 --> 2:09:54.240 communicating that too, particularly younger people who have been educated 2:09:54.360 --> 2:09:58.760 I think, in a very progressive education culture all the 2:09:58.760 --> 2:10:02.680 way from the Garten two University and really have been 2:10:02.720 --> 2:10:06.360 for decades now. And my sense his liberals have lost 2:10:06.360 --> 2:10:09.880 those and they're struggling him too to actually make any 2:10:10.040 --> 2:10:15.080 ground with them. However, I don't think by simply saying, well, look, 2:10:15.840 --> 2:10:18.360 they didn't like who we were in May, I like 2:10:18.400 --> 2:10:20.760 who we are in June. If we basically talk like them, 2:10:20.800 --> 2:10:21.720 it's not going to work. 2:10:22.160 --> 2:10:25.960 Yeah. I see that Tony Abbott has voiced strong support 2:10:26.040 --> 2:10:28.960 for the US bombing campaign against Iran. He's been quite 2:10:29.040 --> 2:10:31.960 vocal lately. Is it too late for Abbot because he 2:10:32.080 --> 2:10:34.200 really could be the man of the moment now, especially 2:10:34.200 --> 2:10:35.240 given the current climate. 2:10:36.000 --> 2:10:41.040 Well, certainly, I think, I'm sure. In fact, I'm pretty 2:10:41.120 --> 2:10:46.800 certain that Tony Abbott misses the opportunity to influence Australia's 2:10:47.320 --> 2:10:49.800 place in the world the only way he could as 2:10:49.840 --> 2:10:50.320 Prime minister. 2:10:50.360 --> 2:10:52.560 I mean, pretty much like all ex prime ministers. 2:10:52.960 --> 2:10:55.440 Well indeed, there's nothing more ex than the ex prime minister, 2:10:55.560 --> 2:10:59.000 as they say. But look, I think the one thing 2:10:59.000 --> 2:11:01.560 about Tony Abbott, you agree with him or like him 2:11:01.640 --> 2:11:04.520 or not, is that she knew what he's still for, 2:11:04.880 --> 2:11:07.400 what he believed in. He didn't make any bones about that. 2:11:07.880 --> 2:11:11.400 And I think, actually, funnily enough and ironically enough for Tony. 2:11:11.720 --> 2:11:14.200 And I'm talking to somebody who's worked with him and 2:11:14.520 --> 2:11:16.440 known him for a long time and consider him a friend. 2:11:17.360 --> 2:11:21.600 Is that he's probably learned how to communicate and talk 2:11:21.640 --> 2:11:27.720 about ideas and values and international politics particularly much more 2:11:27.720 --> 2:11:30.520 effectively than when he was in Parliament when he was 2:11:30.640 --> 2:11:34.440 Prime minister. And in that sense, I think he's become 2:11:34.560 --> 2:11:37.280 very comfortable as an elder statesman and I think earned 2:11:37.280 --> 2:11:40.320 a lot of respect from even people who opposed him 2:11:40.320 --> 2:11:42.560 when he was in well, certainly when he's Prime minister, 2:11:42.600 --> 2:11:45.040 but also I think in the twenty odd years he 2:11:45.160 --> 2:11:45.839 was in politics. 2:11:45.960 --> 2:11:48.000 Yeah, there's just a couple of silly decisions there. So 2:11:48.040 --> 2:11:50.560 could he get back in and be a player again 2:11:50.640 --> 2:11:51.920 or is it too late for that now? 2:11:52.720 --> 2:11:55.920 Well, look he is well into his sixties now, so 2:11:57.000 --> 2:12:00.680 probably it is too late. And if there's more X 2:12:00.760 --> 2:12:03.880 than an X, and going back and being an ex 2:12:04.880 --> 2:12:07.360 in parliament is probably not the best way to use 2:12:07.400 --> 2:12:10.440 his influence, I mean, And that's the thing. He does 2:12:10.480 --> 2:12:14.080 have influence now, just like John Howard, has influence in 2:12:14.120 --> 2:12:16.720 a way that perhaps he wouldn't have done if he 2:12:16.800 --> 2:12:21.080 were still in Parliament, were in office. But we need 2:12:21.120 --> 2:12:23.200 those elder statesmen, but we also need, I think the 2:12:23.240 --> 2:12:26.560 current generation to actually step up and perform. And part 2:12:26.600 --> 2:12:28.720 of The problem that the federal liberal's got and at 2:12:28.720 --> 2:12:31.600 state level around the country is a desperate problem. 2:12:31.720 --> 2:12:31.920 Is the. 2:12:33.400 --> 2:12:37.240 Depth of the talent pool of MPs as well, muddy 2:12:37.240 --> 2:12:41.320 puddlers about the size of it. So the best people 2:12:41.320 --> 2:12:43.440 are not going into politics. And we're not just talking 2:12:43.440 --> 2:12:45.960 about women, as Susan Lee was at the Press Club yesterday. 2:12:46.000 --> 2:12:49.440 I think we're talking about men and women of capability, 2:12:50.040 --> 2:12:54.640 of talent, of experience, expertise who just aren't attracted by 2:12:54.640 --> 2:12:57.560 a political career, probably because people like you and I 2:12:58.120 --> 2:13:02.360 talk about that. And yeah, the slings about the narrows 2:13:02.400 --> 2:13:05.200 of public life for a really quite nice these days, 2:13:05.200 --> 2:13:07.040 and social media has made them a hell of a 2:13:07.080 --> 2:13:09.640 lot worse than say, even in John Howard's time. 2:13:09.680 --> 2:13:12.000 Well, that's right, but it doesn't just pertain to politics. 2:13:12.000 --> 2:13:15.959 It pertains to every area of life. If you're on Facebook, 2:13:15.960 --> 2:13:16.640 you're a target. 2:13:16.960 --> 2:13:19.240 Well, look at our civil discourse is coarsening. 2:13:19.960 --> 2:13:22.360 Absolutely, I can't. I can't agree with that more, you. 2:13:22.280 --> 2:13:25.440 Know, and I think in our politics is reflecting that, 2:13:25.560 --> 2:13:28.200 and that's that's not good for the country. It's and 2:13:28.480 --> 2:13:30.520 it's not just here, it's around the world. I mean, 2:13:30.920 --> 2:13:34.680 we'll talk about certain man of Orange. 2:13:34.280 --> 2:13:36.520 And you know you. I knew you as soon as 2:13:36.560 --> 2:13:38.840 you pause there. I knew where you were going to go. 2:13:39.080 --> 2:13:41.800 So let's talk about never say never again. What Donald 2:13:41.840 --> 2:13:46.000 Trump made a good comeback. He's gone to NATO. He's 2:13:46.000 --> 2:13:48.320 had one hell of a week. He dropped the dropped 2:13:48.360 --> 2:13:50.520 the F bomb, which some people have said, well, it's 2:13:50.520 --> 2:13:54.520 on brand. So now there's the NATO sucking up text. 2:13:54.840 --> 2:13:55.720 Let's talk about that. 2:13:56.240 --> 2:13:58.880 Well, the NATO sucking up text. And it's actually not 2:13:59.120 --> 2:14:04.280 only private. Donald Trump leaked it because he obviously loved it. 2:14:05.040 --> 2:14:08.480 I mean, the Secretary General of NOTO from a Dutch 2:14:08.480 --> 2:14:13.240 Prime minister, Mark Ruter, really laid it on with the troal. 2:14:13.320 --> 2:14:18.400 I mean, it's just amazing that the brown nosing. I 2:14:18.400 --> 2:14:20.760 mean he brown noted so much that I think I 2:14:20.760 --> 2:14:25.680 don't think he can see his head that certainly he 2:14:25.800 --> 2:14:28.600 texted Donald Trump while he was flying over and. 2:14:29.960 --> 2:14:30.560 Well it's a. 2:14:30.520 --> 2:14:33.880 Longish text that I've just quote a bit of it, 2:14:33.960 --> 2:14:37.560 mister President did Donald congratulations and thank you for your 2:14:37.680 --> 2:14:41.640 decisive action in around that was truly extraordinary and something 2:14:41.800 --> 2:14:44.800 no one else dared to do. It makes us all safer. 2:14:45.320 --> 2:14:47.840 You are flying into another big success in the Hague 2:14:47.840 --> 2:14:50.480 this evening. It was not easy, but we've got them 2:14:50.640 --> 2:14:54.720 all signed on to five percent. That's a GDP on defense. 2:14:55.480 --> 2:14:58.640 Donald, you have driven us to a really, really. 2:14:58.360 --> 2:15:00.920 Important moment for a mar current Europe. And he just 2:15:00.960 --> 2:15:04.240 goes on and on. But he also did this publicly. 2:15:04.480 --> 2:15:07.040 He did this publicly yet at the DATO meeting where 2:15:07.040 --> 2:15:12.720 he had his bilateral with the president and talk similar amage. 2:15:12.760 --> 2:15:15.480 It is that that phrase at the start of his text, 2:15:15.520 --> 2:15:21.480 mister President, dear Donald, he talked about daddy talking tusks 2:15:21.880 --> 2:15:22.680 looking children. 2:15:23.520 --> 2:15:24.800 It was extraordinary. 2:15:25.000 --> 2:15:27.560 Yeah, I just again, I go back to two thoughts. One, 2:15:27.640 --> 2:15:30.000 hedge your bets and secondly, in the words of Nixon, 2:15:30.040 --> 2:15:32.120 he might be a mad man, but he's our mad man. 2:15:32.800 --> 2:15:36.920 Well, I think there was a back in the day. 2:15:36.960 --> 2:15:39.000 I think it was FDR who talked about a certain 2:15:39.040 --> 2:15:42.960 South American dictator and said that he may be a 2:15:42.960 --> 2:15:44.680 son of that, you know what, but he's our son 2:15:44.720 --> 2:15:45.880 of you. 2:15:45.800 --> 2:15:48.040 You know That's the thing about Donald Trump. He would 2:15:48.040 --> 2:15:50.160 have said the full expletive. Hold on there a moment. 2:15:50.200 --> 2:15:53.320 I want to talk about Jim Chalmers after this twenty 2:15:53.360 --> 2:15:55.640 eight minutes before our good friend Luke Boner will be 2:15:55.720 --> 2:15:58.640 joining us in an our's time with the Boner Report. 2:15:58.680 --> 2:16:00.560 But in the meantime, let's get back to Harry Binds. 2:16:00.600 --> 2:16:02.440 Good just have you still hanging on the phone this 2:16:02.520 --> 2:16:05.160 time of the morning, that we all appreciate that. Let's 2:16:05.160 --> 2:16:10.200 get to Jim Chalmers, who's dismissed NATO's defense spending policy. 2:16:10.680 --> 2:16:12.080 Where are we at with that? I mean, what are 2:16:12.080 --> 2:16:12.880 your thoughts on that? 2:16:14.800 --> 2:16:17.480 Well, certainly we just talked about Mark Ruther of NATO 2:16:17.600 --> 2:16:19.760 is saying that, oh there, I signed up to five percent. 2:16:19.840 --> 2:16:23.760 Isn't that wonderful? Whereas a Treasury yesterday made it very 2:16:23.760 --> 2:16:27.839 clear that, particularly in the discussion that he started about 2:16:28.400 --> 2:16:32.320 tax and tax reformers, that we're doing quite fine, very much, 2:16:32.360 --> 2:16:34.600 thank you, very with out two and a bit percent 2:16:34.800 --> 2:16:37.800 over the next few years, thank you very much. We 2:16:37.800 --> 2:16:40.359 don't see any need to change that. I mean, effectively, 2:16:40.760 --> 2:16:44.720 he was being very dismissive, brushed it off, effectively saying 2:16:44.720 --> 2:16:47.560 that any debate about our defense spending is off the table. 2:16:48.160 --> 2:16:52.240 And that's really reinforcing comments that the Prime Minister made 2:16:52.240 --> 2:16:55.879 off the cuff a week or so ago. We've effectively 2:16:55.920 --> 2:17:00.320 said we decided what we spend our money on the 2:17:00.360 --> 2:17:04.360 circumstances in which we spend it. But certainly I think 2:17:04.879 --> 2:17:08.720 given that the US is driving the NATO ad lies 2:17:08.800 --> 2:17:11.520 to increase their defense spending, no matter how much fawning 2:17:11.600 --> 2:17:14.320 and flattery goes with it. The fact that even the 2:17:14.320 --> 2:17:18.280 Canadians who have underperformed compared to even Australia in terms 2:17:18.320 --> 2:17:20.240 of the spending and prepared to up it to three 2:17:20.240 --> 2:17:24.560 percent more of GDP, we're starting to be lagged. If 2:17:24.560 --> 2:17:26.160 we want to have if we want to have the 2:17:27.120 --> 2:17:30.400 influence not just with the President Trump, but in terms 2:17:30.400 --> 2:17:34.280 of the regional security and world security, we actually have 2:17:34.360 --> 2:17:35.959 to put our money on the table. We have to 2:17:35.959 --> 2:17:39.199 put our willingness to play our part on the table. 2:17:39.280 --> 2:17:43.600 And we've had this, well, we've had this shadow game 2:17:43.800 --> 2:17:47.000 gunning over last fortnight, haven't we about Donald Trump? Meeting 2:17:47.080 --> 2:17:50.840 has now been easy? But really, why should the President 2:17:50.920 --> 2:17:54.320 meet mister Alben easy when Australia is not just in 2:17:54.400 --> 2:17:57.640 terms of being wishy washy and nearly mouthed in terms 2:17:57.720 --> 2:18:03.800 of its foreign policy, but certainly being absolutely totally unwilling 2:18:03.920 --> 2:18:05.960 and refusing to come to the party when it comes 2:18:05.959 --> 2:18:08.560 to contributing more to our ownness. 2:18:08.760 --> 2:18:10.680 It's funny if you wanted to take the pulse of 2:18:10.720 --> 2:18:13.520 the nation, you could listen to this radio station and 2:18:13.600 --> 2:18:16.280 the listeners and they would tell you straight away above 2:18:16.600 --> 2:18:20.039 cost of living, above trying to buy a house, first 2:18:20.040 --> 2:18:24.160 and foremost is defense spending with all of our listeners 2:18:24.160 --> 2:18:26.480 pretty much, and it's strange that they're just not being 2:18:26.480 --> 2:18:26.879 listened to. 2:18:27.640 --> 2:18:29.920 Well, I think that's right, and I think we have 2:18:30.040 --> 2:18:33.400 to debate about the level of defense spending. We also 2:18:33.400 --> 2:18:36.800 have to talk about quantity quality as well as quantity, 2:18:36.879 --> 2:18:39.800 that we're actually buying stuff that is actually going to 2:18:40.400 --> 2:18:42.640 make us safe, it is actually going to do what 2:18:42.680 --> 2:18:45.000 we need to do is fit the purpose for what 2:18:45.040 --> 2:18:48.400 we needed to do. And certainly, and we've got to 2:18:48.440 --> 2:18:51.400 put orcus into that equation. Yet put it aside and 2:18:51.440 --> 2:18:53.600 look at the rest of what we do in terms 2:18:53.600 --> 2:18:58.279 of our defense forces, our defense structure, our defense personnel, 2:18:58.640 --> 2:19:03.320 and certainly we do need to make sure that whatever 2:19:03.400 --> 2:19:07.000 we do is not only affordable, but it is effective. 2:19:07.480 --> 2:19:10.360 And that's going to be a challenge. But we tend 2:19:10.400 --> 2:19:12.920 not to have these conversations. They're too difficult. And the 2:19:13.160 --> 2:19:17.840 political problem for the Labor government is after the election 2:19:17.959 --> 2:19:22.720 where they really put so much money into social spending, 2:19:22.760 --> 2:19:27.760 whether it's Medicare and eis student that's whatever it happened 2:19:27.760 --> 2:19:32.200 to be. I mean, these commitments that they have made 2:19:32.320 --> 2:19:37.199 on the domestic side are so big and so budget 2:19:37.280 --> 2:19:40.200 consuming that it actually doesn't leave much room to do 2:19:40.280 --> 2:19:44.280 more on defense unless unless you actually raise taxes in 2:19:44.280 --> 2:19:46.600 a significant way. That seems to be the message that 2:19:46.640 --> 2:19:49.560 Jim Charlmons is making in terms of taxes from the 2:19:49.640 --> 2:19:51.960 last couple of days. It's all about raising more revenue. 2:19:52.000 --> 2:19:56.119 It's not about using what revenue we have more efficiently 2:19:56.200 --> 2:19:59.480 in terms of the programs or services, not just defense, 2:19:59.520 --> 2:20:05.640 but domestic services as well. My sense is we do 2:20:05.680 --> 2:20:08.400 need tax reform. We do need to actually look at 2:20:08.600 --> 2:20:11.800 our tax base. We need to look at making sure 2:20:11.840 --> 2:20:14.720 it works as fairly as possible and as efficiently as possible. 2:20:14.760 --> 2:20:17.000 That we've also got to make sure that we don't 2:20:18.520 --> 2:20:22.000 we don't basically raise money to waste it. That's the 2:20:22.040 --> 2:20:25.280 other side of it. So doctor Chalmers was prepared to say, 2:20:25.760 --> 2:20:27.440 we do need to look at what we spend our 2:20:27.440 --> 2:20:30.080 money on. We do need to look at things doing 2:20:30.080 --> 2:20:32.880 things better and smarter, but that also may mean we 2:20:32.959 --> 2:20:36.879 do less that we might actually have to cut some 2:20:37.040 --> 2:20:39.879 things we can't. That's binding. The bullet on. The tough 2:20:39.920 --> 2:20:44.680 stuff is what government's all about. And this government and 2:20:45.440 --> 2:20:47.440 so I come from the other side of politics, but 2:20:47.480 --> 2:20:50.800 this government seems very much into wanting to talk good 2:20:50.879 --> 2:20:53.560 views but not talking about the fact that there is 2:20:53.600 --> 2:20:55.440 a cost to everything they do. 2:20:55.720 --> 2:20:57.440 That's it. And one more thing, because I know you 2:20:57.440 --> 2:20:59.200 want to go to bed, and I mentioned getting the 2:20:59.240 --> 2:21:01.480 pulse of the nation. We've got in your notes here 2:21:01.480 --> 2:21:05.480 to talk about Antoinette Latooth receiving the seventy thousand dollars 2:21:05.560 --> 2:21:09.480 from the ABC over the sacking. I'm really surprised that 2:21:09.480 --> 2:21:11.640 you wanted to talk about this. I'm also surprised at 2:21:11.680 --> 2:21:14.600 how much traction this story is getting and how many 2:21:14.640 --> 2:21:16.600 people are talking about it. Why is that? 2:21:17.400 --> 2:21:22.200 Well, look, I think it's something actually, although she is 2:21:22.240 --> 2:21:25.000 coming from the left and particularly on the gaza issue 2:21:25.640 --> 2:21:29.080 and met the two, I've got to pick on the 2:21:29.120 --> 2:21:33.240 ABC for the wrong reasons that yeah, she expressed the 2:21:33.240 --> 2:21:35.240 political view, but if you look at it, I mean, 2:21:35.360 --> 2:21:39.119 how many of their key people, how many of their names, 2:21:39.160 --> 2:21:42.000 actually do exactly the same thing and get away with it. 2:21:42.040 --> 2:21:44.640 I mean, look what Laura Tingle, for instance, said about 2:21:44.640 --> 2:21:47.119 Scott Morrison a few years ago in terms of videological 2:21:47.240 --> 2:21:53.640 bastard trick. Look at their investigator, investigative journalist Louise Milligan, 2:21:53.720 --> 2:21:57.480 who has taken to court the deafination in terms of 2:21:57.520 --> 2:22:03.520 things that she had said and printed, and basically they 2:22:03.560 --> 2:22:09.440 were okay. Anthoninetteletu, who is a casual contractors entered for 2:22:10.080 --> 2:22:14.040 one week while somebody else is on leave. She made 2:22:14.040 --> 2:22:17.000 a comment about guard which I think showed that very 2:22:17.080 --> 2:22:22.440 much where she came from politically. That compared to well, 2:22:22.520 --> 2:22:27.080 compared to some of those other cases, you just wonder 2:22:27.120 --> 2:22:28.879 what the fuss was about. I mean, it was one 2:22:28.879 --> 2:22:31.760 of those things that the ABC management should have blown over. 2:22:31.800 --> 2:22:34.440 But the other thing is, when it comes to it, 2:22:34.600 --> 2:22:36.320 she's got her seventy thousand dollars. 2:22:36.160 --> 2:22:38.880 In COMPETI well, that's not bad for three days work. 2:22:39.200 --> 2:22:42.959 But they're talking about legal fees that in the midions 2:22:43.120 --> 2:22:46.040 the cost that the ABC will be up for hers 2:22:46.080 --> 2:22:51.640 and theirs, and really they realize that this is taxpayers money, well, 2:22:51.800 --> 2:22:56.000 stareholders money, it's not private money, it's taxpayers money. Well, 2:22:56.240 --> 2:22:58.080 they're doing the proverbial up against the wall. 2:22:58.320 --> 2:23:00.280 Let me hit you with this scenario. Do you think 2:23:00.280 --> 2:23:04.959 that maybe the ABC are reflecting the government's opinion at 2:23:04.959 --> 2:23:07.160 the moment, and that is not to have an opinion 2:23:07.200 --> 2:23:07.840 about anything. 2:23:09.800 --> 2:23:11.720 Well, in these days, I think that's the safest thing, 2:23:11.760 --> 2:23:15.040 But the ABC charter actually demands that they be impartial 2:23:15.080 --> 2:23:17.400 and they actually look at all points of view, and 2:23:18.120 --> 2:23:22.240 certainly I think from me antoinette Ler too, in terms 2:23:22.240 --> 2:23:25.720 of being highed in the first place, said they're quite 2:23:25.720 --> 2:23:31.400 happy to accept people of her who left the center perspectives, 2:23:32.520 --> 2:23:36.520 but if the cause of trouble, well they scarf it 2:23:36.520 --> 2:23:39.960 for one hundred miles an hour, but they still line 2:23:40.040 --> 2:23:43.480 up behind their names who might fall into the same trap. 2:23:43.600 --> 2:23:46.240 So I just think there is a double standard there 2:23:46.280 --> 2:23:49.120 that within the ABC culture that allowed that to happen. 2:23:49.160 --> 2:23:52.840 But in terms of in terms of her being well 2:23:53.000 --> 2:23:58.320 effectively given the flick for a tweet, I'm not sure 2:23:58.320 --> 2:23:59.879 that's necessarily a good thing. 2:24:00.400 --> 2:24:02.200 But again, you know, that goes back to what we 2:24:02.200 --> 2:24:04.879 were talking about earlier on about Facebook and about having 2:24:04.920 --> 2:24:06.680 an opinion and everything like that. 2:24:07.680 --> 2:24:10.040 This is the thing, I think, to your professional I mean, 2:24:10.440 --> 2:24:14.200 do you know it's a good thing that you have 2:24:14.560 --> 2:24:20.879 opinionated journalists and commentators who attract listeners and viewers. But 2:24:21.240 --> 2:24:25.640 if they express those years and you've actually them to 2:24:25.640 --> 2:24:29.160 express those years, you sort of have to stand with them. 2:24:29.200 --> 2:24:32.000 Which it's really and this is a conversation, a longer 2:24:32.000 --> 2:24:35.520 form conversation for another time. But it's very interesting because 2:24:35.560 --> 2:24:38.360 if it's a spoken opinion, it seems to be more 2:24:38.400 --> 2:24:42.080 accepted than if it's a written opinion. If it's especially 2:24:42.120 --> 2:24:45.320 if it's a written opinion on social media, that seems 2:24:45.360 --> 2:24:48.640 to carry more weight and more implications than something you've 2:24:48.640 --> 2:24:51.240 written as an article or something I've said on the radio. 2:24:51.560 --> 2:24:52.280 Why that is. 2:24:53.200 --> 2:24:55.039 But on the other hand, I mean, I'm here because 2:24:55.200 --> 2:24:57.360 I expressed you know, because you know, I'm going to 2:24:57.360 --> 2:25:00.959 express opinion of course reporting the news. But yeah, when 2:25:01.080 --> 2:25:03.680 you when you're actually covering the years that you're expected 2:25:03.720 --> 2:25:06.480 to tweet your opinions on it, then the line's been 2:25:06.520 --> 2:25:07.480 blurred for quite That's it. 2:25:07.560 --> 2:25:08.920 That's what I'm saying to you. You know that the 2:25:09.320 --> 2:25:13.360 social media opinion Twitter, Facebook and what have you seems 2:25:13.400 --> 2:25:16.640 to carry more weight and implication again than say the 2:25:16.680 --> 2:25:19.360 written word in something that you may have written in 2:25:19.440 --> 2:25:21.440 the media or something that I would have said on 2:25:21.480 --> 2:25:23.640 the radio. I don't know why that is, but that's 2:25:23.760 --> 2:25:25.600 just you know, the impression that I get. 2:25:26.000 --> 2:25:29.120 Well, certainly, I've written a couple of things on the 2:25:29.120 --> 2:25:31.640 mainstream in mainstream media actually last week or so. It's 2:25:31.680 --> 2:25:36.400 got me spot of bothered out. Okay, look it happens 2:25:36.440 --> 2:25:36.920 to us all. 2:25:37.000 --> 2:25:39.440 But once you get seventy grand, you know who you 2:25:39.480 --> 2:25:40.279 can take to lunch. 2:25:40.320 --> 2:25:45.480 Well, well, I don't get anything like seventy grand. Don't 2:25:45.480 --> 2:25:49.240 get anything, but certainly always enjoy talking to you. 2:25:49.640 --> 2:25:51.760 Thank you so much, my friend. You are just too 2:25:51.800 --> 2:25:53.920 well for me. It's two SIPs of coffee. By the 2:25:53.959 --> 2:25:56.720 time I finish those, you'll be fast asleep in your pjs. 2:25:56.720 --> 2:25:57.400 Have a great night. 2:25:58.000 --> 2:25:59.119 Thanks so much for it. 2:25:59.160 --> 2:26:02.200 There is Terry and joins us at this time every 2:26:02.280 --> 2:26:04.240 Thursday morning, but he's off to bed now, and I 2:26:04.280 --> 2:26:06.520 don't blame him, to be honest. It's eighteen minutes to four, 2:26:07.640 --> 2:26:10.000 fourteen minutes to four on the text, Hey Phil, when 2:26:10.040 --> 2:26:12.720 do you reckon albow? Will carry out his election promise 2:26:12.760 --> 2:26:15.480 and flick China out of Darwin Port, said Ross Ross. 2:26:15.520 --> 2:26:17.440 I don't know. May to hold your breath. This one 2:26:17.440 --> 2:26:22.720 from mel Phil's Terry spoke about NATO Brown knowsing Trump well, 2:26:23.480 --> 2:26:26.199 he'd be well qualified to comment, because no greater Brown 2:26:26.240 --> 2:26:29.800 knows than Howard of GW. Bush, says mel on the text, 2:26:29.879 --> 2:26:32.720 and this one came in, came in from Leslie. I 2:26:32.760 --> 2:26:36.359 agree with Terry. Susan Lee lost me with the acknowledgment 2:26:36.400 --> 2:26:40.400 of the indigenous, totally unnecessarily and divisive. I forecast she 2:26:40.440 --> 2:26:43.160 won't be leading at the next election, and she says, 2:26:43.200 --> 2:26:46.240 I hope not. We need a strong mail to combat 2:26:46.280 --> 2:26:50.240 alban easy and then it's possible that he won't be there. 2:26:50.440 --> 2:26:54.400 Tony Abbott for PM, says Leslie Jane in Brisbane morning, 2:26:54.440 --> 2:26:56.520 how are you, Oh. 2:26:56.480 --> 2:27:03.600 Morning, I'm well, thank you. Susan. Absolutely we didn't get smashed. 2:27:04.040 --> 2:27:07.680 She and Peter Dutton had the Liberal Party smashed by 2:27:07.720 --> 2:27:11.039 the announcement they were going to go nuclear nuclear at 2:27:11.040 --> 2:27:14.480 the time of the cost of living and after the 2:27:14.560 --> 2:27:20.240 virus and the state of our sense defenses. I mean 2:27:20.560 --> 2:27:22.720 we didn't want to hear nuclear. I said to my 2:27:22.840 --> 2:27:25.240 friends and family, well we've lost at what a period 2:27:25.920 --> 2:27:30.080 absolutely twists And that was the point. They walked around 2:27:30.680 --> 2:27:34.440 like you know, the walking dead, and they weren't saying 2:27:34.480 --> 2:27:37.880 anything anywhere. Oh, there's a little bit of pub talk 2:27:37.920 --> 2:27:40.680 about the cost of living. But when they say nuclear 2:27:40.760 --> 2:27:43.840 is the most important thing, I thought, we're smashed. And 2:27:43.920 --> 2:27:46.320 she and Peter Dutton did it. So my advice to 2:27:46.400 --> 2:27:50.520 Susan they and I'm said before was that she should 2:27:50.520 --> 2:27:54.840 have retired graciously and gracefully as did Peter Dutton, and 2:27:55.000 --> 2:27:58.600 used her flying talents which she has certainly got, and 2:27:58.640 --> 2:28:01.880 her contact in the in the country to go out 2:28:01.920 --> 2:28:05.520 there and help the problems that the country in New 2:28:05.600 --> 2:28:09.760 South walesa having with the various things have gone wrong. 2:28:10.120 --> 2:28:12.720 Because we've certainly got the love in Queensland as well 2:28:12.760 --> 2:28:15.080 after the floods and the things. See you in western 2:28:15.480 --> 2:28:21.280 does Western Queensland, So seasonally go go go now, don't 2:28:21.280 --> 2:28:25.760 bring any more trouble to this country. And as the 2:28:25.879 --> 2:28:32.880 quotas and women as sorry, we need a good strong 2:28:33.000 --> 2:28:37.400 man at this point of time because that's the only 2:28:37.480 --> 2:28:41.840 way that the message can get over about the things 2:28:41.879 --> 2:28:45.640 that men do better. And so as the sense and 2:28:45.720 --> 2:28:49.440 things is because are concerned. But Jim Chalmers, you know, 2:28:49.480 --> 2:28:52.840 we call him. He's our person, the Bogan from Logan 2:28:53.400 --> 2:28:56.800 or Jim Chalmers or Jim Snake Charmers. And I don't 2:28:56.840 --> 2:29:00.320 say things like that lot. I'm just reporting to you 2:29:00.920 --> 2:29:02.279 what the people are saying. 2:29:02.840 --> 2:29:05.720 Yeah, we floaded the idea and it was just an 2:29:05.760 --> 2:29:09.000 idea of Tony Abbott making a reappearance. What do you 2:29:09.040 --> 2:29:10.039 think about that idea? 2:29:11.760 --> 2:29:15.440 I think his time has come, do you think, right? 2:29:15.800 --> 2:29:19.920 I'm very sad about that. Butteriu's saying he's the ages. 2:29:20.320 --> 2:29:25.440 Yeah, See, sixty is not that old though, Jane. Sixty 2:29:25.520 --> 2:29:27.000 is not that old as you would know. I mean, 2:29:27.040 --> 2:29:29.240 you know, if you've got and he's also, I mean 2:29:29.240 --> 2:29:31.320 if you talk about his fitness, he's very fit too. 2:29:31.600 --> 2:29:33.680 Sixty is not the sixty it used to be. So 2:29:33.720 --> 2:29:36.200 I don't see that. You know that would be something 2:29:36.240 --> 2:29:40.080 that would you know, be held against him. 2:29:40.640 --> 2:29:43.120 Well, you know, the party would have to agree. And 2:29:43.200 --> 2:29:45.720 if people agree and want him back, well, who am 2:29:45.720 --> 2:29:46.920 I saying? 2:29:47.040 --> 2:29:47.120 No? 2:29:47.560 --> 2:29:52.520 I mean he was. He's much better now at conveying 2:29:52.520 --> 2:29:56.000 the message, as we all know, than he was at 2:29:56.040 --> 2:29:59.640 the time. Yeah, if that's the way to go, Son 2:30:00.000 --> 2:30:00.320 tought you. 2:30:00.360 --> 2:30:02.560 Jane, thank you so much. One three, one eight seven three. 2:30:02.600 --> 2:30:04.360 On the phone, Let's catch up with a couple of things. 2:30:04.360 --> 2:30:08.279 Donald Trump is absolutely furious because the New York Times 2:30:08.280 --> 2:30:11.920 and CNN said that they didn't make a good job 2:30:11.959 --> 2:30:15.000 of it when it came to the bunker busters and 2:30:15.320 --> 2:30:18.640 the Iran nuclear facility. There've been two schools of thought 2:30:18.640 --> 2:30:21.320 on this, and they're both quite divisive. Some people saying 2:30:21.360 --> 2:30:24.040 that it wasn't effective, other people saying, I like Donald Trump, 2:30:24.040 --> 2:30:27.080 that it was effective. But Donald Trump is absolutely furious 2:30:27.160 --> 2:30:31.680 about that. Donald Trump compared the attack to what happened 2:30:31.680 --> 2:30:32.560 in Hiroshima. 2:30:32.680 --> 2:30:34.760 They're not going to be fighting each other. They've had it. 2:30:35.640 --> 2:30:37.480 They've had a big fight, like two kids at a 2:30:37.480 --> 2:30:39.879 school yard. You know, they fight like help, you can't 2:30:39.879 --> 2:30:42.240 stop them. Let them fight for about two three minutes. 2:30:42.480 --> 2:30:43.760 Then it's easier to stop them. 2:30:43.800 --> 2:30:46.720 And then Debty has sometimes do strong language. 2:30:46.360 --> 2:30:49.800 School strong everyone saying you have to use a certain word. 2:30:50.200 --> 2:30:53.360 I don't want to use an example of Hiroshima. I 2:30:53.360 --> 2:30:56.360 don't want to use an example of Nagasaki. But that 2:30:56.600 --> 2:30:59.400 was essentially the same thing that ended that war. 2:30:59.520 --> 2:31:01.880 This ended that with a wharf. 2:31:01.920 --> 2:31:04.440 Donald Trump there he never ever shies away from saying 2:31:04.440 --> 2:31:09.760 something controversial or sharing controversial things on his truth social page. 2:31:09.760 --> 2:31:14.200 He's just shared this beach Boy's parody video about the 2:31:14.320 --> 2:31:17.200 B two bomber strikes that happened in Iran to the 2:31:17.280 --> 2:31:21.360 tune of the Beach Boys song bum Bum Bum Bum 2:31:21.480 --> 2:31:34.480 Bomb Iram. By the way, I was talking about the 2:31:34.520 --> 2:31:36.920 B two bomber before and Steve said that he's been 2:31:36.920 --> 2:31:38.640 in a B two spirit. He said, they do have 2:31:38.680 --> 2:31:40.280 a toilet and they do have a bed. I mean 2:31:40.360 --> 2:31:42.720 to believe that the toilet is just, without getting too graphic, 2:31:42.720 --> 2:31:44.520 the toilet is there and you just have to look 2:31:44.560 --> 2:31:46.760 the other way. And the bed is something that's just 2:31:46.920 --> 2:31:49.440 basically a bun come to believe, but well done. Actually 2:31:49.440 --> 2:31:51.600 getting on board there, that'd be great, Steve. I could 2:31:51.640 --> 2:31:53.680 imagine that'd be quite for you know, a flight and 2:31:53.720 --> 2:31:56.160 nothing that would be quite good too. I mentioned a 2:31:56.280 --> 2:32:01.320 moment ago that Tony Abbott was throwing his support behind 2:32:01.320 --> 2:32:03.360 the US strikes. He is what he had to say. 2:32:03.480 --> 2:32:05.879 I think that countries should act in accordance with their 2:32:05.920 --> 2:32:09.720 interests and values, and it's in the interests and in 2:32:09.800 --> 2:32:15.279 the values of all liberal democratic countries that the current 2:32:15.400 --> 2:32:20.720 Iranian regime never gets access to nuclear weapons. The current 2:32:21.520 --> 2:32:28.080 apocalyptic Islamist regime in Tehran, their constant script is death 2:32:28.120 --> 2:32:30.240 to Israel, death to America. 2:32:31.040 --> 2:32:34.840 Again. What a waste with Tony Abbott, who unfortunately was 2:32:34.879 --> 2:32:39.000 just a circum I guess the situation of circumstances surrounding 2:32:39.160 --> 2:32:41.720 the time that he was Prime minister. If you could 2:32:41.720 --> 2:32:44.080 fast forward that, bring that to now or the situation 2:32:44.160 --> 2:32:46.080 when I think would be completely different. And I think 2:32:46.080 --> 2:32:48.560 that Steve agrees with that, to bring back Tony Abbot, 2:32:48.600 --> 2:32:51.720 he says on the text, and just regarding what we 2:32:51.720 --> 2:32:54.200 were talking about age, Tom said on the text, well 2:32:54.240 --> 2:32:58.039 Albany's he's sixty two, and Denise said from Randwick, Jane 2:32:58.160 --> 2:32:59.920 is right, we need a bit of a new blood there. 2:33:00.320 --> 2:33:04.160 It is seven minutes to four. Hello. I think it's 2:33:04.200 --> 2:33:07.680 Michael sending me the cricket scores Australia versus West Indies 2:33:07.760 --> 2:33:11.240 four for one hundred and eleven head fifty one kwaja 2:33:11.400 --> 2:33:14.880 out for forty nine. His text from Tony phil Australians 2:33:14.879 --> 2:33:17.720 need to look forward. It's not too late for mister Abbott. 2:33:18.360 --> 2:33:21.760 Maybe even mister Friedenburg should be encouraged to return to 2:33:21.800 --> 2:33:24.600 politics as the Liberal leader. Thank you very much for that. 2:33:25.720 --> 2:33:28.600 And this one too from Denise that Jane was on 2:33:28.640 --> 2:33:31.400 the ball and had some good thoughts there. Steve said 2:33:31.440 --> 2:33:33.640 on the text, costs of living will always be high 2:33:33.760 --> 2:33:37.520 as long as labor pushes renewable energy. Susan Lee talking 2:33:37.560 --> 2:33:40.320 at the Press Club yesterday and I thought listening to 2:33:40.360 --> 2:33:43.000 the speech, and I have no issue with the glass 2:33:43.000 --> 2:33:44.720 ceiling and all that. I don't care who's in as 2:33:44.760 --> 2:33:47.280 long as the person in is the right person for 2:33:47.320 --> 2:33:50.039 the job. And they've said that this is a poison 2:33:50.120 --> 2:33:52.800 chalice for her to take over this particular job. But 2:33:53.000 --> 2:33:55.840 it just feels to me that it was a little apologetic. 2:33:56.480 --> 2:33:59.360 Susan lay yesterday at the Press Club with this. 2:34:01.160 --> 2:34:06.600 These numbers reflect a deep and growing disconnect. We respect 2:34:06.720 --> 2:34:11.360 the election outcome with humility, we accept it with contrition, 2:34:12.520 --> 2:34:16.959 and we must learn from it with conviction. The Australian 2:34:17.000 --> 2:34:20.480 people need a strong and effective alternative to vote for 2:34:20.760 --> 2:34:24.480 at the next election. Our first step is to listen 2:34:24.800 --> 2:34:29.640 so we properly understand how we can improve. Last week 2:34:30.280 --> 2:34:34.320 we appointed Prue Goward and Nick Minchin to conduct a 2:34:34.400 --> 2:34:38.440 route and branch review of the election result. Their review 2:34:38.840 --> 2:34:42.760 will be frank and fearless, ensuring a thorough and honest 2:34:42.800 --> 2:34:44.119 assessment of. 2:34:44.000 --> 2:34:45.760 What went wrong and how we can fix it. 2:34:46.640 --> 2:34:49.280 The review will conclude by the end of the year 2:34:49.680 --> 2:34:50.800 and it will be made public. 2:34:51.840 --> 2:34:53.959 We can do better, and we will do better. 2:34:54.000 --> 2:34:56.480 See for me, there's too much inspection there, there's too 2:34:56.600 --> 2:34:59.000 much at naval gazing, and there's too much looking back 2:34:59.000 --> 2:35:01.920 over the shoulder. Let's go forward. Let's go forward with 2:35:02.280 --> 2:35:04.279 you know, the direction that you want to go with 2:35:04.280 --> 2:35:07.520 within the party and have some clear directives. So anyway, 2:35:07.560 --> 2:35:10.240 that was Susan Lee yesterday and Denise, as they said, 2:35:10.240 --> 2:35:13.240 too many words, a bit of a word salad. Right, Okay, 2:35:13.320 --> 2:35:15.160 let's move on to something just completely different for you 2:35:15.280 --> 2:35:17.480 very quickly, because I've got the four o'clock news coming up, 2:35:17.520 --> 2:35:19.720 and then we're going to get to Channel nine newsroom. 2:35:19.800 --> 2:35:22.760 Jonathan Cursley Overseas two and a few other things. Luke 2:35:22.840 --> 2:35:25.039 Boner on the way, let me quickly play you this. 2:35:25.160 --> 2:35:29.160 It's the anniversary of the death of Elvis Presley and 2:35:29.160 --> 2:35:31.480 and no it was his last performance. I'm sorry. The 2:35:31.520 --> 2:35:34.440 anniversary Elvis towards the end of his career was just 2:35:34.520 --> 2:35:35.760 all over the shop. Listen to this. 2:35:35.920 --> 2:35:36.360 They had. 2:35:39.600 --> 2:35:43.640 But plus tax you read your line select cleverly. 2:35:44.959 --> 2:35:45.879 They never missed you. 2:35:47.160 --> 2:35:50.320 They came back to they forgot the words, seem to change. 2:35:50.400 --> 2:35:57.680 You acted strange and why I've never known, why ever 2:35:57.760 --> 2:35:57.960 did it? 2:36:00.320 --> 2:36:00.600 Who am I? 2:36:00.640 --> 2:36:00.920 Talking. 2:36:01.000 --> 2:36:03.400 Do you lie when you said you love me? 2:36:04.680 --> 2:36:04.880 Yes? 2:36:05.920 --> 2:36:10.560 Hand on cars about you? Oh dear, what ameber brother 2:36:10.680 --> 2:36:15.880 go on during your life? And you're all living without you? 2:36:16.920 --> 2:36:19.640 There you go. Alvis Friensley made his last ever stage 2:36:19.879 --> 2:36:23.720 performance when he appeared at Market Square Arena in Indianapolis 2:36:24.000 --> 2:36:26.360 on this day, twenty sixth June nineteen seventy seven. And 2:36:26.440 --> 2:36:28.320 as you can hear there towards again of his career, 2:36:28.879 --> 2:36:33.640 poor Alvis was well and truly fry. All right, let's 2:36:33.640 --> 2:36:35.560 get your news update on the front page of the papers.