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S1: Mel Kambouris. We did it, guys. We survived another Oscars

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S1: And now I'm doubting your ability to comment on these

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S2: Yes, that and anyone but you. I still haven't seen

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S3: So many references that must be going above your head

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S2: No, like when people say play it again, Sam, I'm like,

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S1: start with maybe the very big, obvious question how did

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S2: Uh, I thought it was a very boring Oscars. Um,

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S2: I said it was the most boring Oscars in history.

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S2: Got made fun of. It's also a racist ceremony for

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S1: Yeah. So other than the actual handing out of the awards,

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S1: Do you think part of that is because when you think,

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S3: Yeah, I wonder if that is unique to this year

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S3: Like I do, I do wonder it's not like a

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S4: No, very, very rarely.

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S4: Yeah, like killers.

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S1: Of the Flower Moon, that best original song as well.

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S1: And it's a mournful, you know, sort of native song

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S3: Yeah. And I think, like, and I guess this kind

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S3: Sometimes they're not. But a lot of the speeches really

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S4: They've gone.

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S3: Like what is left to say? Who is left to think?

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S2: It does feel like that this year in particular. I

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S1: I just felt like again, it slowed things down and

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S3: Yeah, I felt like it felt like they'd got them

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S2: I just kept thinking of, like, you know, anchorman, when

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S2: Like I can see how they're like, this will be great.

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S4: Yeah, yeah. I kind of.

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S3: Feel like if you're going to get that talent like

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S4: Put them together, have them interact.

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S1: All right, let's, um, let's talk about who who won.

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S1: And Oppenheimer won. Like. That's it. Christopher Nolan was was

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S1: you said Thomas, I don't remember anyone's speeches. I remember

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S4: Wait, that's such.

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S1: A specific thing. But of course, that's why these awards

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S4: Pretty funny in the office.

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S2: One other weird.

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S4: Guy clapping slightly. Um, but.

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S2: No, I mean, I think, like, yeah, no one's gonna

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S2: still feel like. And again, this is not that it

445
00:18:27,070 --> 00:18:28,510
S2: was a surprise, but I still feel like Robert Downey

446
00:18:28,510 --> 00:18:31,750
S2: Jr fucking got away with one tonight. Like. And there

447
00:18:31,750 --> 00:18:33,790
S2: was so much chat again. I thought that was not

448
00:18:33,790 --> 00:18:35,800
S2: very funny from Kimmel. Like the Robert Downey Junior drug

449
00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:37,689
S2: gags like, not that because, oh, you shouldn't go there,

450
00:18:37,690 --> 00:18:40,120
S2: but it just wasn't funny. Um, but yeah, I just

451
00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,220
S2: think Robert Downey Jr. That was a kind of like,

452
00:18:42,220 --> 00:18:45,639
S2: career retrospective nod for him. Um, it felt like it.

453
00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:47,050
S1: It felt like sort of you've been on this big

454
00:18:47,050 --> 00:18:49,240
S1: comeback mission and you've done it now, but.

455
00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:50,740
S4: I'm like, he's your literal award for.

456
00:18:50,740 --> 00:18:51,520
S2: Like, yeah.

457
00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:52,060
S4: Yeah.

458
00:18:59,390 --> 00:19:02,330
S1: Um, the other big winner of the night. I think

459
00:19:02,330 --> 00:19:05,060
S1: it's fair to say poor things. I think people knew

460
00:19:05,060 --> 00:19:08,090
S1: that poor things would probably do well, but it ended

461
00:19:08,090 --> 00:19:11,270
S1: up just like flipping basically every tight race that it

462
00:19:11,270 --> 00:19:13,490
S1: was in. And the first three were these really interesting,

463
00:19:13,490 --> 00:19:17,060
S1: I guess, like poor things. Bobby showdowns, makeup, production design

464
00:19:17,060 --> 00:19:19,280
S1: and costuming, which I think everyone thought if Bobby was

465
00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,560
S1: going to get something, it might be one of those.

466
00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,530
S1: And just literally three times in a row it was

467
00:19:24,530 --> 00:19:27,800
S1: poor things. Fair Bobby deserve a bit of a look in,

468
00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:28,850
S1: in those categories.

469
00:19:28,940 --> 00:19:32,300
S3: I mean, I think we all have agreed previously that

470
00:19:32,300 --> 00:19:34,939
S3: Bobby has like a great look to it and but

471
00:19:34,940 --> 00:19:38,119
S3: so does poor things. And I think in some ways

472
00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,629
S3: poor things is so unique and original in terms of

473
00:19:41,630 --> 00:19:44,210
S3: the world that has been created for it, that maybe

474
00:19:44,210 --> 00:19:47,330
S3: it gets kudos for that because somebody, Bobby, was already

475
00:19:47,330 --> 00:19:50,840
S3: laid out for them. You know, Bobby has all her aesthetic,

476
00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,929
S3: the pink, the kind of plastic, the kind of shades and,

477
00:19:53,930 --> 00:19:56,510
S3: you know, she's got her props that are associated with

478
00:19:56,510 --> 00:19:59,660
S3: all the dolls. Um, so I think maybe poor things.

479
00:19:59,660 --> 00:20:01,730
S3: I mean, I kind of agree with the choice. Poor things,

480
00:20:01,730 --> 00:20:04,970
S3: I think was more original and interesting at the same time,

481
00:20:04,970 --> 00:20:08,570
S3: as I obviously loved the whole world of Barbie Land. Um,

482
00:20:08,570 --> 00:20:09,650
S3: what did you think, Thomas?

483
00:20:09,650 --> 00:20:11,690
S2: Yeah, it was funny because, like, it's so it is

484
00:20:11,690 --> 00:20:13,850
S2: interesting on Oscars night how quickly a narrative forms like

485
00:20:13,850 --> 00:20:15,800
S2: those three awards in a row. And so it was

486
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,260
S2: like within a five minute window, poor things were suddenly

487
00:20:18,260 --> 00:20:20,330
S2: like on one. And Barbie was like totally shut out

488
00:20:20,330 --> 00:20:21,500
S2: of the Oscars. Then you knew it was going to

489
00:20:21,500 --> 00:20:23,990
S2: win Best Picture. So it was like Barbie's Barbie's over

490
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:26,719
S2: and it is crazy. But again, I agree, like and especially,

491
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,909
S2: you know, like with the make up award like Margot

492
00:20:28,910 --> 00:20:32,600
S2: Robbie liked being Margot Robbie and you know yeah, I

493
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,419
S2: think it's a fair win. And it kind of rounds

494
00:20:35,420 --> 00:20:37,520
S2: out what we've all known. Basically, it's a very long

495
00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,520
S2: awards season in that, you know, Hollywood called on Barbie.

496
00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,320
S2: It was part of the biggest narrative of the year.

497
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,150
S2: But by the time we got into this, I think

498
00:20:44,150 --> 00:20:46,459
S2: everyone knew, like where it sat in the hierarchy of

499
00:20:46,460 --> 00:20:47,150
S2: all these films.

500
00:20:47,150 --> 00:20:49,220
S1: Yeah, I'm not unhappy at all either. Like, I get

501
00:20:49,220 --> 00:20:51,709
S1: why the Oscars include a film like Bobby and Jessica.

502
00:20:51,710 --> 00:20:54,440
S1: They're trying to say what? Not just for art snobs.

503
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,800
S1: Like we get big movies too. But that said, Bobby's

504
00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,280
S1: award was making like $1 trillion and everyone getting like,

505
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,369
S1: poll things made 13 million USD at the box office.

506
00:21:04,369 --> 00:21:07,250
S1: Yorgos is a lunatic. The people who worked on it, like,

507
00:21:07,250 --> 00:21:09,980
S1: backed his vision and brought it to life so splendidly.

508
00:21:09,980 --> 00:21:15,709
S1: And if the Oscars aren't for weirdos, creating this idea

509
00:21:15,710 --> 00:21:17,930
S1: in their head and making it feel real and putting

510
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,969
S1: together a really great film, and if they're not going

511
00:21:19,970 --> 00:21:21,440
S1: to get rewarded at the box office, then they should

512
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,199
S1: get rewarded critically and by their peers like this. So

513
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,479
S1: I think it makes sense that Paul things edged out

514
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,879
S1: Bob in these categories. I think the one the one

515
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,340
S1: poor things win. That I think is a little bit

516
00:21:31,340 --> 00:21:35,210
S1: controversial is Emma Stone for Best Actress. And we did

517
00:21:35,210 --> 00:21:37,490
S1: foreshadow this. We said this is likely to come down

518
00:21:37,490 --> 00:21:40,730
S1: to her and Lily Gladstone, and it certainly seemed like

519
00:21:40,730 --> 00:21:44,060
S1: Emma Stone was genuinely like a bit surprised and felt

520
00:21:44,060 --> 00:21:46,340
S1: a bit awkward, I think, like, we knew that the

521
00:21:46,340 --> 00:21:48,950
S1: poor thing's narrative was growing and you thought, well, maybe

522
00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:51,229
S1: everyone's just voted for poll things in the ballot. But

523
00:21:51,230 --> 00:21:52,850
S1: if killers of the Flower Moon was going to get

524
00:21:52,850 --> 00:21:54,830
S1: a look in anywhere, it would be Felicity Gladstone. She

525
00:21:54,830 --> 00:21:57,350
S1: would have been the first Native American to win an Oscar.

526
00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:59,720
S1: Didn't happen. How did you guys feel about that one?

527
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,590
S3: Yeah, I I'm quite shocked by that because I just

528
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:07,790
S3: can't see how you can equate that to performances like

529
00:22:07,820 --> 00:22:11,330
S3: Emma Stone is fantastic in Poor Things, but it is

530
00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:14,330
S3: this kind of realer, bigger than life character that she's

531
00:22:14,330 --> 00:22:17,659
S3: putting on. All the emotions are hyperbolic and exaggerated. The

532
00:22:17,660 --> 00:22:20,929
S3: movements are kind of deliberately kind of over the top,

533
00:22:20,930 --> 00:22:23,690
S3: which I'm not saying doesn't take skill. It does. But

534
00:22:23,690 --> 00:22:26,720
S3: I do think that Lily Gladstone stole killers of the

535
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,689
S3: Flower Moon and was really the heart and soul of

536
00:22:29,690 --> 00:22:32,540
S3: that film, whereas Emma has quite an amazing cast around

537
00:22:32,540 --> 00:22:35,780
S3: her for all of poor things. You know, Mark Ruffalo

538
00:22:35,810 --> 00:22:38,240
S3: being one of the main ones, but all of all

539
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,700
S3: of she's got great supporting cast. And not that Lily

540
00:22:40,700 --> 00:22:41,750
S3: Gladstone didn't feel like.

541
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:43,220
S2: That's been working with these two up and comers.

542
00:22:43,220 --> 00:22:46,130
S4: In young Robert Robert De Niro. That's true.

543
00:22:46,369 --> 00:22:50,780
S3: She I just feel like she carried more of the

544
00:22:50,780 --> 00:22:53,360
S3: weight of that film on her own, and she had

545
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,170
S3: a harder role to play because it wasn't so larger

546
00:22:57,170 --> 00:22:59,360
S3: than life. And I think the restraint that she had

547
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,310
S3: to like, you know, to be able to convey her

548
00:23:01,310 --> 00:23:04,040
S3: emotions without the kind of overtop the top ness of

549
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:08,149
S3: something like happens in poor Things was like pretty powerful. So, yeah,

550
00:23:08,150 --> 00:23:11,450
S3: I can't really understand the thinking behind that. Like why

551
00:23:11,450 --> 00:23:14,750
S3: people thought Emma Stone was so good and Lily Gladstone

552
00:23:14,750 --> 00:23:16,490
S3: not as good. What do you think people.

553
00:23:16,490 --> 00:23:17,419
S1: Like the.

554
00:23:17,420 --> 00:23:19,970
S4: White lady? Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean.

555
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:21,710
S1: Maybe like a little bit of that, but also like,

556
00:23:21,710 --> 00:23:24,050
S1: I mean, Emma Stone, she's won an Oscar before. She's

557
00:23:24,050 --> 00:23:27,619
S1: obviously very like connected to lots of people. And I

558
00:23:27,619 --> 00:23:29,090
S1: think like this is so interesting. Like we talk about

559
00:23:29,090 --> 00:23:30,709
S1: the curse a bit on this show, the show that

560
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:32,719
S1: she was on with Nathan Fielder. I don't think that

561
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,110
S1: was necessarily a deliberate like Oscars play, but I think

562
00:23:36,109 --> 00:23:37,939
S1: it helped her. I think it helped that people were

563
00:23:37,940 --> 00:23:41,060
S1: talking about her this year for her good performance and

564
00:23:41,060 --> 00:23:44,359
S1: poor things, but also her very interesting and totally out

565
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,109
S1: there performance in this cerebral, wacky TV show as well.

566
00:23:48,109 --> 00:23:50,660
S1: And I think that just made her front of mind

567
00:23:50,660 --> 00:23:54,260
S1: in every academy voters head, I think. Leading into voting

568
00:23:54,260 --> 00:23:57,020
S1: season or for most of 2023, in a way that

569
00:23:57,020 --> 00:24:00,230
S1: Lily Gladstone, like no one, really knew her before this movie,

570
00:24:00,230 --> 00:24:02,030
S1: and Leo did a great job getting her in front

571
00:24:02,030 --> 00:24:04,159
S1: of people. But other than that, it's not like people

572
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,560
S1: were talking about Lily Gladstone day in, day out.

573
00:24:06,770 --> 00:24:08,629
S2: Yeah, I think that's a good point that, like The

574
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:10,460
S2: curse probably did really help her because I feel like

575
00:24:10,460 --> 00:24:12,409
S2: that was one of the most original TV shows of

576
00:24:12,410 --> 00:24:14,300
S2: the year, and it almost got a lot more hype

577
00:24:14,300 --> 00:24:17,060
S2: than I think people were expecting. I was like, sad

578
00:24:17,060 --> 00:24:19,970
S2: about this one. Um, you know, and but perhaps it

579
00:24:19,970 --> 00:24:22,010
S2: makes sense in what was the world's most boring Oscars,

580
00:24:22,010 --> 00:24:24,860
S2: the one chance they had to do something interesting and exciting. Instead,

581
00:24:24,859 --> 00:24:27,470
S2: they went the predictable way and gave it to Emma Stone, um, who,

582
00:24:27,470 --> 00:24:28,970
S2: as you said, has already won one. Not that she

583
00:24:28,970 --> 00:24:30,919
S2: shouldn't be able to have another one, but like, I

584
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,190
S2: definitely I think Jennifer Lawrence actually said it in the weird, like,

585
00:24:34,190 --> 00:24:37,340
S2: here's everyone to introduce the Oscars. She said, you know, um,

586
00:24:37,340 --> 00:24:39,740
S2: Lily Gladstone, you were the heart and soul of killers

587
00:24:39,740 --> 00:24:41,659
S2: of the Flower Moon. And she really was like, that

588
00:24:41,660 --> 00:24:44,540
S2: was such an incredible performance. And it's one again. It

589
00:24:44,540 --> 00:24:46,220
S2: is one of those weird things where in the category, like,

590
00:24:46,220 --> 00:24:48,350
S2: it's almost strange that they have to sit together these

591
00:24:48,350 --> 00:24:51,080
S2: types of performances. But yeah, it was sad, I think.

592
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,790
S2: And also perhaps Lily Gladstone would have given us quite

593
00:24:55,790 --> 00:24:57,830
S2: a nice moment had she had the opportunity to speak,

594
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:59,570
S2: but instead it was like Emma Stone being like, oh

595
00:24:59,570 --> 00:25:01,159
S2: my God, this is so crazy.

596
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,440
S3: Yeah. Can we talk about that for a second? Speeches?

597
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,080
S3: I just there's something I know it's a really big

598
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,320
S3: moment for them, but I'm also like, just hold it together.

599
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,460
S3: Do you have to have your I understand you're overwhelmed emotionally,

600
00:25:13,460 --> 00:25:16,399
S3: but can you not self-regulate for like, this speech? Do

601
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:16,760
S3: you not think.

602
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:17,570
S4: That's a little bit.

603
00:25:17,570 --> 00:25:21,409
S1: Performative, though, like someone like Emma Stone has to? You know,

604
00:25:21,410 --> 00:25:22,850
S1: she might have been genuinely a bit shocked, but it

605
00:25:22,850 --> 00:25:26,150
S1: has to ham it up because you understand the narrative

606
00:25:26,150 --> 00:25:28,669
S1: of this race. You understand the racial dimension to it.

607
00:25:28,670 --> 00:25:30,530
S1: You get it that there's going to be. So you've

608
00:25:30,530 --> 00:25:33,770
S1: got to be, oh my God, like, I can't. This

609
00:25:33,770 --> 00:25:37,100
S1: is just like, even though obviously we all know that

610
00:25:37,100 --> 00:25:38,570
S1: you're putting it on, but like, you still have to

611
00:25:38,570 --> 00:25:39,200
S1: kind of do it.

612
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,330
S2: But do you? I actually was wondering if she was

613
00:25:41,330 --> 00:25:42,619
S2: going to mention Lily specifically.

614
00:25:42,619 --> 00:25:43,730
S1: I thought she was going to.

615
00:25:44,030 --> 00:25:44,420
S4: Yeah, maybe.

616
00:25:44,420 --> 00:25:46,850
S2: It's weirder to do that. And maybe it's also bringing.

617
00:25:46,850 --> 00:25:48,740
S1: Attention to what everyone sort of knows or just.

618
00:25:48,980 --> 00:25:51,350
S2: And disrespectful to the other nominees. Maybe, I don't know,

619
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:53,060
S2: but I was like, I wonder if she'll like, kind of,

620
00:25:53,060 --> 00:25:54,290
S2: you know, talk about, oh, Adele.

621
00:25:54,290 --> 00:25:56,180
S1: Did that with Beyonce, didn't she? When she won the Grammy,

622
00:25:56,180 --> 00:25:58,280
S1: she was just like, Beyoncé, what am I doing here? Like,

623
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,919
S1: you deserve this award. And maybe that, like, I respect

624
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,750
S1: it when Adele did that. But I can also get

625
00:26:02,750 --> 00:26:04,760
S1: that M is like, why did a good performance? Like,

626
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,440
S1: I know that Lily did one too, but I'm really

627
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,390
S1: proud of what I did. I don't want to sort

628
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:10,639
S1: of suggest that I don't deserve the award.

629
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,260
S3: We needed Leo to get up and be like, I'm

630
00:26:12,260 --> 00:26:13,159
S3: gonna let you finish.

631
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,550
S4: Can you imagine that would have made this the best

632
00:26:16,550 --> 00:26:17,540
S4: Oscars in history?

633
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,669
S2: Uh, but yeah, it was it was a bit sad.

634
00:26:19,670 --> 00:26:22,670
S2: And I feel like, you know, it's always hard when

635
00:26:22,670 --> 00:26:24,680
S2: they do cut to, like, the other nominees for their reactions,

636
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,060
S2: because they're all actors and they're really good at hiding

637
00:26:26,060 --> 00:26:28,639
S2: their emotions. But Lily looked quite sad. I thought.

638
00:26:29,060 --> 00:26:32,629
S1: Well, speaking of killers of the Flower Moon, like zero

639
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:35,420
S1: out of ten for our guy Marty, which I think

640
00:26:35,420 --> 00:26:37,160
S1: when we do look back on the Oscars, we will

641
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,950
S1: say that that was a mistake. I think people will

642
00:26:39,950 --> 00:26:41,900
S1: think about killers of the Flower Moon for a long,

643
00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:44,720
S1: long time. People who didn't necessarily vibe it this year

644
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,640
S1: will come around to it. I think they'll be like,

645
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,070
S1: oh wow, Marty was cooking in like his later years.

646
00:26:49,070 --> 00:26:52,070
S1: This movie was important and he did something special with it.

647
00:26:52,250 --> 00:26:54,470
S1: I like, I think, in all the categories I can

648
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:57,439
S1: see why others have won. Like except for maybe the

649
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,929
S1: best actress we're talking about, but I felt really set

650
00:26:59,930 --> 00:27:01,010
S1: to see it get shut out.

651
00:27:01,010 --> 00:27:02,450
S2: I know I was wondering how you were feeling because

652
00:27:02,450 --> 00:27:04,310
S2: you're such a Nolan guy, but then you're also a

653
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:07,040
S2: Marty Stan. So do you feel like, conflicted or. Yeah, I.

654
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,070
S1: Would have loved to see the Oppenheimer love spread out

655
00:27:10,220 --> 00:27:12,350
S1: a little bit more. I like, you know, I mean,

656
00:27:12,350 --> 00:27:14,480
S1: Marty's got enough Oscars, I guess, but you.

657
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:15,350
S4: Only got one. Yeah.

658
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:17,060
S1: That's true. He's only got The Departed.

659
00:27:17,060 --> 00:27:17,540
S4: Is that what he got?

660
00:27:17,869 --> 00:27:19,400
S1: That's actually okay. I take back what I said.

661
00:27:19,490 --> 00:27:20,600
S4: That's outrageous. Thank you. Yeah.

662
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:21,770
S1: Nolan. Pipe down.

663
00:27:21,770 --> 00:27:24,439
S3: Yeah, I actually think he has struggled because we were

664
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,720
S3: talking when we were talking about, um, Shogun the other week.

665
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,720
S3: I was thinking of silence. The film, um, the film

666
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,280
S3: that he did set in Japan in the turn of

667
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,709
S3: the 17th century. And I remember thinking that film was

668
00:27:33,710 --> 00:27:35,690
S3: one of the best of that year, and I think

669
00:27:35,690 --> 00:27:38,570
S3: it got nominated for no Oscars other than a sound, maybe, like.

670
00:27:38,570 --> 00:27:39,560
S4: Everyone like me thinks.

671
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,170
S1: Marty's just got a thousand Oscars, because every movie he's

672
00:27:42,170 --> 00:27:44,300
S1: done has featured so many great Oscar winners, and they're like,

673
00:27:44,300 --> 00:27:46,129
S1: Marty's had his time. Yeah, I.

674
00:27:46,130 --> 00:27:48,650
S2: Think he's got heaps of nominations. But yeah, only one

675
00:27:48,650 --> 00:27:49,880
S2: win for The Departed, so.

676
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,520
S3: Wow. Well, hopefully they'll be rectifying that in the future.

677
00:27:53,030 --> 00:27:56,000
S1: The other, um, other film I think we touched on

678
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,620
S1: this briefly, and I guess we sort of knew that

679
00:27:57,619 --> 00:28:00,050
S1: it wasn't going to pick up many. Bobby like it

680
00:28:00,050 --> 00:28:03,050
S1: got the Billie Eilish song and that was it. That

681
00:28:03,050 --> 00:28:05,090
S1: feels probably all it really deserves them. We probably don't

682
00:28:05,090 --> 00:28:06,260
S1: even think it deserves that one.

683
00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:08,660
S3: No, they gave it to the wrong Barbie song. Definitely.

684
00:28:08,660 --> 00:28:08,840
S3: Out of.

685
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,460
S4: The three Barbie songs they could have given.

686
00:28:10,460 --> 00:28:11,240
S1: It to, they picked for.

687
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:11,900
S4: Us why.

688
00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:14,270
S3: Everyone is so obsessed with that song in the Academy

689
00:28:14,270 --> 00:28:15,170
S3: or the voters.

690
00:28:15,170 --> 00:28:18,350
S2: It's everyone's just obsessed with Billie Eilish and her brother boyfriend.

691
00:28:18,500 --> 00:28:21,260
S4: So that's that's got some.

692
00:28:21,260 --> 00:28:22,940
S2: Weird vibes between those two.

693
00:28:22,970 --> 00:28:24,889
S1: Let's not let's not delve into this one. You know,

694
00:28:24,890 --> 00:28:27,109
S1: I think we might train to strange legal territory.

695
00:28:27,109 --> 00:28:29,270
S4: Yeah, but you know what? I think about it? I

696
00:28:29,270 --> 00:28:29,600
S4: you've said.

697
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,540
S1: It to me directly. Um, I think each of us

698
00:28:32,540 --> 00:28:34,670
S1: have got our own winners and losers of the night

699
00:28:34,670 --> 00:28:36,350
S1: we want to get into. But before that, I thought

700
00:28:36,350 --> 00:28:39,440
S1: we could score ourselves on our predictions from from last week.

701
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,350
S1: And this is an interesting one because we were pretty similar,

702
00:28:42,350 --> 00:28:45,560
S1: except on a couple where we pivoted. And I mean, Thomas,

703
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,570
S1: you've you've done very well in this, but let's let's

704
00:28:47,570 --> 00:28:49,550
S1: just go through them bit by bit. So best picture,

705
00:28:49,550 --> 00:28:51,830
S1: we all said that Oppenheimer would win and it did

706
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:54,140
S1: Best director. We all said that. Christopher Nolan would win

707
00:28:54,140 --> 00:28:56,840
S1: and he did Best Actor. We said Killian would win

708
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,420
S1: and he did Best Actress. We said it was going

709
00:28:59,420 --> 00:29:01,730
S1: to be Lily. We were all wrong. Things got a

710
00:29:01,730 --> 00:29:05,030
S1: bit interesting here. Original screenplay, I said the holdovers. Mel,

711
00:29:05,030 --> 00:29:08,120
S1: you said past lives. Thomas. You said anatomy of a fall.

712
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:08,900
S1: And you were correct.

713
00:29:08,930 --> 00:29:10,700
S4: Thank you. Do you feel smug? Good.

714
00:29:10,730 --> 00:29:14,720
S2: Uh, good. See, the thing is, with the Oscars guys, basically,

715
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,310
S2: when you've seen every single one, you just get to

716
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:18,620
S2: know the pattern of voting and you know what the

717
00:29:18,620 --> 00:29:20,030
S2: Academy likes. And I'm happy to kind of talk about

718
00:29:20,030 --> 00:29:21,230
S2: it off here, but yeah. Continue.

719
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,530
S1: Uh, but on that category, like, I'm very happy with

720
00:29:24,530 --> 00:29:26,150
S1: anatomy of a fall. I thought it was like a

721
00:29:26,150 --> 00:29:28,730
S1: fine film. And I'm happy for Justin Tree and her

722
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,650
S1: husband who wrote it, which is a bit weird that

723
00:29:30,650 --> 00:29:33,740
S1: they wrote a movie about a creative partnership where people

724
00:29:33,740 --> 00:29:35,479
S1: steal each other's ideas and maybe kill each other.

725
00:29:35,930 --> 00:29:37,010
S4: Um, actually.

726
00:29:37,250 --> 00:29:38,840
S3: And also for Maci. Yeah.

727
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,070
S4: And also for Missy the dog.

728
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:43,640
S1: Yeah. And the last category all predicted the same American

729
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,600
S1: fiction for adapted screenplay, and it was the winner. Yeah,

730
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:48,590
S1: we feel pretty good about that, too.

731
00:29:48,590 --> 00:29:50,810
S3: I'm really glad that American Fiction got a look in

732
00:29:50,810 --> 00:29:52,490
S3: and I. And that was the one. I think it

733
00:29:52,490 --> 00:29:55,100
S3: kind of was a clear winner. So yeah, I was

734
00:29:55,100 --> 00:29:56,720
S3: happy with that. And well done Thomas.

735
00:29:57,020 --> 00:29:58,459
S4: Thank you. Congratulations.

736
00:29:58,490 --> 00:30:00,650
S2: Um, we the hotel is like shut out completely then

737
00:30:00,650 --> 00:30:01,670
S2: basically divine.

738
00:30:01,670 --> 00:30:04,250
S1: Joy Randolph for best supporting actress, which I think she

739
00:30:04,250 --> 00:30:06,650
S1: was the favorite for and I think totally deserves. And

740
00:30:06,650 --> 00:30:08,450
S1: I guess that's the other one. Like, Giamatti was good,

741
00:30:08,450 --> 00:30:10,640
S1: but he was never going to be Killian. Like, I

742
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,580
S1: get it. And there was this like last minute plagiarism

743
00:30:13,580 --> 00:30:16,910
S1: speculation story that hit too late to impact voting. But, um,

744
00:30:16,910 --> 00:30:18,770
S1: would have been a bigger story, I reckon, if it

745
00:30:18,770 --> 00:30:20,540
S1: had won in the screenplay category.

746
00:30:20,540 --> 00:30:21,530
S3: Yeah. For sure.

747
00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:24,950
S1: Uh, okay, onto our winners and losers of the night.

748
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:29,120
S1: This could be a film, a personal moment, anything. Mel,

749
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:30,740
S1: why don't you take it away? Who was your winner

750
00:30:30,740 --> 00:30:31,850
S1: of this year's Oscars?

751
00:30:31,850 --> 00:30:35,840
S3: The winner. The best performance. An Oscar worthy performance. Alfonso

752
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:39,170
S3: delivering the final film of the night. I have watched

753
00:30:39,170 --> 00:30:42,440
S3: it like, 20 times since, and I cannot stop. I

754
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,230
S3: just love everything about it. I love how he, like,

755
00:30:45,230 --> 00:30:48,230
S3: wanders onto the stage. He says this weird thing about

756
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:51,020
S3: there being some Shakespeare in order. Then he got like

757
00:30:51,020 --> 00:30:54,560
S3: kind of very dramatically goes the last wall of the evening.

758
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,530
S3: Like his tone is all weird and off off the chart.

759
00:30:57,530 --> 00:31:00,350
S3: And then he gets out his envelope and he says, like,

760
00:31:00,350 --> 00:31:01,490
S3: here it comes.

761
00:31:01,730 --> 00:31:05,240
S5: And, uh, I have to go to the envelope for that,

762
00:31:05,870 --> 00:31:16,180
S5: and I will. Here it comes. And I see Oppenheimer.

763
00:31:18,340 --> 00:31:24,850
S3: Yes. Yes. Thomas and I see Oppenheimer, and everyone is.

764
00:31:24,850 --> 00:31:27,730
S4: So, so confused. It's like, is the mistake in it?

765
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,050
S1: Is this a mistake again?

766
00:31:29,050 --> 00:31:29,470
S4: Yeah.

767
00:31:29,470 --> 00:31:34,180
S3: It's just the most scattered delivery and so wonderful. And yeah,

768
00:31:34,300 --> 00:31:36,880
S3: no one wants to clap because everyone obviously the trauma

769
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:41,020
S3: from Moonlight La La Land looms large in Hollywood's imagination.

770
00:31:41,020 --> 00:31:43,300
S1: Channel has done a Warren Beatty. This is this is going.

771
00:31:43,810 --> 00:31:45,459
S3: To say it twice. He has to start saying the

772
00:31:45,460 --> 00:31:48,580
S3: cast for everyone to like, accept it. It's just so

773
00:31:48,580 --> 00:31:48,850
S3: it's so.

774
00:31:48,850 --> 00:31:49,630
S4: Funny you have him as your.

775
00:31:49,630 --> 00:31:51,310
S1: Winner because I've got him as my loser for the

776
00:31:51,310 --> 00:31:52,479
S1: way that he presented the.

777
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:53,500
S3: Award. That though.

778
00:31:53,740 --> 00:31:55,720
S1: It just it just felt odd. It's like this is

779
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,459
S1: the end of it. I love Pacino, and there was

780
00:31:57,460 --> 00:31:59,980
S1: a bit of drama that which was cool, but the ceremony,

781
00:31:59,980 --> 00:32:02,290
S1: sort of all the energy fizzling like this is supposed

782
00:32:02,290 --> 00:32:05,440
S1: to be a big, exciting moment and you're just not sure.

783
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:06,040
S4: That's.

784
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,300
S1: That's not a great way to end it.

785
00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:09,670
S2: So you don't want people like asking the question, like,

786
00:32:09,670 --> 00:32:12,580
S2: did do did we just find out the winner or not?

787
00:32:12,580 --> 00:32:14,410
S3: I feel like because he's like in his 80s now,

788
00:32:14,410 --> 00:32:16,420
S3: people were probably like, you sure he's good to do this?

789
00:32:16,420 --> 00:32:18,280
S3: And they're like, he's fine, he's fine. He usually has

790
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:18,760
S3: good days.

791
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,800
S2: Oh, so to be fair, he's he's a new dad.

792
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,450
S2: So very tired. Yeah.

793
00:32:22,660 --> 00:32:23,530
S4: Um, who was your winner?

794
00:32:23,530 --> 00:32:24,100
S1: Thomas?

795
00:32:24,370 --> 00:32:27,670
S2: My winner. I had a two. I had John Cena.

796
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,040
S2: I actually thought, you know, again, in a ceremony that

797
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,719
S2: didn't feature much memorable stuff for me.

798
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:32,380
S4: Imagine going.

799
00:32:32,380 --> 00:32:34,600
S1: Back 15 years and saying John Cena is going to

800
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:35,350
S1: be a guy at the.

801
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:36,700
S4: Academy Awards. I know.

802
00:32:37,180 --> 00:32:40,840
S2: Uh, my friend who loves both the Oscars and wrestling.

803
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,790
S2: I know he's actually he's already text me to be like,

804
00:32:42,790 --> 00:32:45,970
S2: this is a big night. Um, so I thought he.

805
00:32:46,180 --> 00:32:47,469
S2: That was pretty funny. You're going to see it all

806
00:32:47,470 --> 00:32:49,180
S2: over your Instagram feeds and stuff. So I guess that

807
00:32:49,180 --> 00:32:50,740
S2: was a kind of highlight. And I also, I think,

808
00:32:50,740 --> 00:32:53,380
S2: you know, I've been banging the Gosling drum hard. But again,

809
00:32:53,380 --> 00:32:55,510
S2: I think tonight hearing they came out with even like

810
00:32:55,510 --> 00:32:58,390
S2: it really did wonders for his reputation and his stock. Uh,

811
00:32:58,390 --> 00:33:00,850
S2: he was really funny. Um, and the performance was great.

812
00:33:00,850 --> 00:33:02,080
S2: So yeah, he was a big winner for me.

813
00:33:02,110 --> 00:33:02,860
S3: Who was your winner?

814
00:33:02,860 --> 00:33:05,440
S1: I had two, I had one was, um, Godzilla minus one,

815
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,480
S1: the team behind that. So they won for Best Visual Effects.

816
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,690
S1: That was a really, really well made film. A Japanese, um,

817
00:33:10,690 --> 00:33:14,530
S1: sort of like newish take on Godzilla that is disconnected

818
00:33:14,530 --> 00:33:17,469
S1: from the whole, like, MonsterVerse stuff that is, that is

819
00:33:17,470 --> 00:33:19,480
S1: going on in cinemas at the moment. And I think

820
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,370
S1: the director of that movie was also the guy in

821
00:33:21,370 --> 00:33:23,710
S1: charge of visual effects. He won it, and I think

822
00:33:23,710 --> 00:33:25,450
S1: they famously did it with a very small budget, and

823
00:33:25,450 --> 00:33:28,210
S1: the movie looks amazing. It's very well made and it's

824
00:33:28,210 --> 00:33:30,940
S1: very good film as well. But my other one, we

825
00:33:30,940 --> 00:33:32,470
S1: haven't really talked about it much on the show, but

826
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:34,720
S1: The Zone of Interest, a movie that I think is

827
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,690
S1: very odd, like very good, but very odd the way

828
00:33:37,690 --> 00:33:39,850
S1: that it's shot. I've heard someone describe it as a

829
00:33:39,850 --> 00:33:42,400
S1: it's like more of a video art piece, and it's

830
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,400
S1: a very intense and harrowing story. And it won two

831
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:47,860
S1: out of its five Oscars, which is really, really interesting.

832
00:33:47,860 --> 00:33:50,620
S1: And when, um, Jonathan Glazer, the director, won for Best

833
00:33:50,620 --> 00:33:54,220
S1: International Feature, he gave some very, very strong words discussing

834
00:33:54,220 --> 00:33:57,520
S1: the war in Gaza. And he's already copping backlash from

835
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,010
S1: sort of pro-Israel figures. He's, um, he's a Jewish man.

836
00:34:00,010 --> 00:34:03,370
S1: And the producer of the movie is also Jewish. Glazer

837
00:34:03,370 --> 00:34:07,780
S1: said that he refuted his Jewishness and the Holocaust being

838
00:34:07,780 --> 00:34:11,049
S1: hijacked by an occupation, a clear reference to to Israel.

839
00:34:11,050 --> 00:34:13,989
S1: And he said that this movie wasn't just made about

840
00:34:13,989 --> 00:34:15,880
S1: something that happened in the past. When we were making it,

841
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,440
S1: we were thinking about what is happening in the world

842
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,770
S1: right now and said very explicitly, we didn't want to say,

843
00:34:20,770 --> 00:34:23,080
S1: look what they did then. We were saying rather, look

844
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,800
S1: what they do now. Our film shows where dehumanization leads

845
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,620
S1: at its worst. And, you know, people sometimes think that

846
00:34:29,620 --> 00:34:31,810
S1: the Oscars are annoying when people talk about politics. Ricky

847
00:34:31,810 --> 00:34:34,810
S1: Gervais has that famous Golden Globes thing. I think that's dumb.

848
00:34:34,810 --> 00:34:38,290
S1: Like these are artists making art about politics in the world.

849
00:34:38,290 --> 00:34:40,810
S1: Let them use the moment of them accepting an award

850
00:34:40,810 --> 00:34:43,989
S1: to to describe what motivates them and how they feel

851
00:34:43,989 --> 00:34:46,840
S1: about things. I thought it was one of those examples

852
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,140
S1: where the Academy Awards can be powerful and transcend just

853
00:34:50,140 --> 00:34:53,020
S1: this sort of celebrity fashion festival that I think a

854
00:34:53,020 --> 00:34:54,430
S1: lot of us get sucked into it for.

855
00:34:54,430 --> 00:34:56,200
S3: Yeah, I think that's a good point. And I, I

856
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,129
S3: am interested that there wasn't as much politics as I

857
00:35:00,130 --> 00:35:03,160
S3: might have expected, given what's going on in the world.

858
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,330
S4: So yeah, we should say.

859
00:35:04,330 --> 00:35:06,250
S1: That the director of 20 Days in Mariupol, who won

860
00:35:06,250 --> 00:35:08,890
S1: Best documentary feature, also talked. He said that, you know,

861
00:35:08,890 --> 00:35:11,259
S1: I wish I could trade my Oscar to stop Russia

862
00:35:11,260 --> 00:35:14,320
S1: invading Ukraine. So we're talking about the heaviness of these

863
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:19,420
S1: awards having like two ongoing, like horrific conflicts referenced. It

864
00:35:19,420 --> 00:35:23,170
S1: is dark. Yeah it is. I've already mentioned my loser

865
00:35:23,170 --> 00:35:26,650
S1: of the evening, Al Pacino. Um, who?

866
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:27,370
S4: You losers?

867
00:35:27,370 --> 00:35:30,460
S3: My loser is Emma Stone's dress. So she was wearing

868
00:35:30,460 --> 00:35:33,219
S3: this lovely Louis Vuitton dress, which was kind of an

869
00:35:33,219 --> 00:35:36,400
S3: ode to what Bella Baxter wears in poor things, like

870
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,300
S3: very Costumey dress. And when she got up to accept

871
00:35:40,300 --> 00:35:43,660
S3: her award for Best Actress, she said so many times, like,

872
00:35:43,660 --> 00:35:46,690
S3: my dress is broken, the back of my dress is broken.

873
00:35:46,690 --> 00:35:49,870
S3: And I just, I really feel for the people whose

874
00:35:49,870 --> 00:35:53,080
S3: whole night was her wearing that dress and the kind

875
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,220
S3: of repercussions that are going to come from that dress

876
00:35:57,219 --> 00:36:00,280
S3: being publicly named as broken. Like, I think the poor

877
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,500
S3: person who put her in it, who was responsible for this,

878
00:36:02,500 --> 00:36:05,530
S3: being the person who did the fitting Louis Vuitton, who

879
00:36:05,530 --> 00:36:08,290
S3: ordered the material. Like, I just I hope I'm.

880
00:36:08,530 --> 00:36:09,250
S2: Going to be okay.

881
00:36:10,930 --> 00:36:12,400
S3: I'm just like, there's going to be an AI hack

882
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,700
S3: into it. And I just, I, I know she was

883
00:36:15,700 --> 00:36:18,020
S3: just saying it off the cuff, but I feel. Her

884
00:36:18,020 --> 00:36:18,919
S3: dress and the dress.

885
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:19,549
S4: But when our.

886
00:36:19,700 --> 00:36:22,490
S1: Colleague Michael O'Donoghue was in LA for the ceremony, interviewed

887
00:36:22,489 --> 00:36:24,680
S1: her backstage, he said that the dress was sort of fixed,

888
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,170
S1: so there was someone on hand to re stitch her

889
00:36:27,170 --> 00:36:27,680
S1: back into it.

890
00:36:27,770 --> 00:36:28,879
S3: Okay, maybe John Cena.

891
00:36:30,830 --> 00:36:32,690
S1: Um, Thomas, how about you for a loser?

892
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,540
S2: Uh, yes. This will shorten the interview, but Bradley Cooper.

893
00:36:36,140 --> 00:36:36,860
S4: He was actually.

894
00:36:36,860 --> 00:36:38,420
S2: He was probably the night's biggest loser.

895
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:39,410
S4: Yeah, he really film.

896
00:36:39,410 --> 00:36:42,410
S2: Lost like it was none from eight. Yeah. Um, and also.

897
00:36:42,410 --> 00:36:43,250
S3: Just a loser.

898
00:36:43,550 --> 00:36:46,220
S2: And he's not a loser. He's just super keen on

899
00:36:46,219 --> 00:36:49,010
S2: the Oscars like we all are. Uh, no, I feel

900
00:36:49,010 --> 00:36:50,839
S2: for Bradley. It was almost like he may as well

901
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,720
S2: not have been involved in this year's Oscars. Uh, my

902
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,660
S2: show was totally shut out. Um, and I also had, again,

903
00:36:56,660 --> 00:36:58,820
S2: this might surprise you. I also had Kimmel. I think,

904
00:36:58,820 --> 00:37:01,130
S2: you know, he didn't do a good job as host.

905
00:37:01,130 --> 00:37:03,230
S2: I'd be shocked if he's back next year. I'm kind

906
00:37:03,230 --> 00:37:05,299
S2: of surprised if he keeps doing it, if there are such,

907
00:37:05,540 --> 00:37:09,529
S2: you know, intense restrictions on what he can do and say, like,

908
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,060
S2: I don't know if I was him. I wonder if

909
00:37:11,060 --> 00:37:13,160
S2: later on tonight he's like, this is maybe doing me

910
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,050
S2: more harm than good. Now I might not say yes

911
00:37:15,050 --> 00:37:15,590
S2: next year.

912
00:37:15,830 --> 00:37:18,830
S1: That's interesting. On the other hand, it's like, seems pretty easy.

913
00:37:18,830 --> 00:37:21,020
S1: He can phone it in and get paid millions of dollars.

914
00:37:21,020 --> 00:37:22,610
S2: Yeah, but at what point did you start being like.

915
00:37:22,610 --> 00:37:24,710
S2: I mean, he's probably not that poor. Stop being like,

916
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:27,380
S2: what about people going to think I'm lame now? Like,

917
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,990
S2: from what I can gather, no one seemed to be like, oh,

918
00:37:29,989 --> 00:37:32,000
S2: he did a pretty good job. Like, everyone was universally like,

919
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,180
S2: that sucked. Yeah. And that's important to those guys.

920
00:37:35,180 --> 00:37:37,040
S1: Yeah. And it may be maybe he realizes that maybe

921
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,380
S1: the Oscars, when they do their sort of post-mortem, like

922
00:37:39,380 --> 00:37:41,150
S1: here's what worked. And like maybe we do need some

923
00:37:41,150 --> 00:37:42,020
S1: more excitement.

924
00:37:42,020 --> 00:37:44,540
S3: Or maybe what his measure of success is, is different.

925
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,780
S3: You know, maybe it is just doing a safe performance.

926
00:37:47,780 --> 00:37:49,340
S4: I'm getting through it. I didn't get slapped.

927
00:37:49,340 --> 00:37:51,710
S3: Yeah, like maybe that is a win for him.

928
00:37:51,710 --> 00:37:53,930
S2: I just reckon this time next year. Sam Pang.

929
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:55,550
S4: Oh, I'm.

930
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:56,719
S3: Sorry for that.

931
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,939
S4: That'd be great considering, you know, basically was.

932
00:37:58,940 --> 00:37:59,480
S2: Darryl Summers.

933
00:38:01,340 --> 00:38:01,520
S4: And.

934
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,140
S1: Mel. You, um, you want to talk about a funny

935
00:38:03,140 --> 00:38:05,569
S1: little bit of trivia? Uh, we wouldn't have seen this

936
00:38:05,570 --> 00:38:08,600
S1: if you're watching the broadcast on channel seven, where it

937
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,210
S1: is airing in Australia. But if you're watching in America,

938
00:38:11,210 --> 00:38:15,170
S1: you would have seen a very odd 32nd ad for

939
00:38:15,170 --> 00:38:16,850
S1: a geopolitical policy.

940
00:38:16,850 --> 00:38:17,420
S4: Yeah.

941
00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:20,360
S3: You wanted politics. You got it, you got it. The

942
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,650
S3: aukus was like brought to international attention. Um, what.

943
00:38:24,650 --> 00:38:26,210
S4: Is the what is the aukus for those of us who.

944
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:27,560
S3: Aukus well, you love politics.

945
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:28,220
S4: Yeah. All the.

946
00:38:28,489 --> 00:38:29,029
S3: Canberra.

947
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,980
S2: All the acronyms that are on my radar.

948
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:32,060
S4: Um, I think.

949
00:38:32,060 --> 00:38:34,370
S1: Orchestra stands for Australia, UK, US, doesn't it.

950
00:38:34,370 --> 00:38:36,350
S4: Does. Yeah, yeah. It's just. Oh, that makes sense. No.

951
00:38:36,739 --> 00:38:39,200
S3: Good good good good. Um, yeah, obviously this has been

952
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:40,760
S3: a huge deal here because it's had a lot of

953
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,739
S3: political fallout in terms of we had a deal with

954
00:38:42,739 --> 00:38:45,590
S3: France that fell over, and now we've renegotiated this other

955
00:38:45,590 --> 00:38:47,089
S3: deal with our allies. Um.

956
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,570
S1: Editor Bevan Shields famously, uh, you know, was the one questioning, uh,

957
00:38:50,570 --> 00:38:54,290
S1: Emmanuel Macron and said, do you believe Scott Morrison lied

958
00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:56,060
S1: to you? He said, I do you think Scott Morrison,

959
00:38:56,060 --> 00:38:58,100
S1: like you said, I don't think I know.

960
00:38:58,100 --> 00:38:58,850
S4: Oh, that was.

961
00:38:59,180 --> 00:39:01,250
S1: That was us breaking our deal with the French and

962
00:39:01,250 --> 00:39:02,810
S1: and doing this one with America and the.

963
00:39:02,810 --> 00:39:07,070
S3: EU. Yeah. To build us a fleet of nuclear submarines. So, um. Yeah,

964
00:39:07,070 --> 00:39:09,109
S3: if you were overseas, you saw this ad and it

965
00:39:09,110 --> 00:39:11,600
S3: kind of had soaring music. It was very dramatic. It

966
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,150
S3: was like submarines being built in the US. It was

967
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:17,900
S3: all very patriotic. But, um, yeah, just interesting seeing that

968
00:39:17,900 --> 00:39:20,870
S3: through the eyes of a different country, given how much

969
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:23,120
S3: news it's had here, and also a fun little moment

970
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,790
S3: of Australia in the Oscars, because we didn't have that much.

971
00:39:25,790 --> 00:39:26,180
S4: It feels.

972
00:39:26,180 --> 00:39:28,790
S1: Odd. It feels odd in a ceremony where, like Oppenheimer,

973
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:32,420
S1: a very like anti-war, anti-military, industrial complex film is sweeping.

974
00:39:32,420 --> 00:39:34,310
S1: These guys are like, do you guys want to, like,

975
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:36,350
S1: build submarines that a nuclear powered?

976
00:39:36,350 --> 00:39:37,430
S4: Let's line up now.

977
00:39:37,730 --> 00:39:39,379
S3: Let's show them what we did with nuclear.

978
00:39:40,370 --> 00:39:42,469
S1: Um, all right. Well, let's just, uh, touch on a

979
00:39:42,469 --> 00:39:44,840
S1: couple of other little small bits and pieces that we

980
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,230
S1: think are worth chatting about. Wes Anderson won his first

981
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:51,020
S1: ever Oscar and was not there to collect it.

982
00:39:51,020 --> 00:39:52,160
S4: The most Wes Anderson movie.

983
00:39:52,460 --> 00:39:53,480
S3: I love that he did not.

984
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:54,380
S4: Go talk.

985
00:39:54,380 --> 00:39:55,880
S1: Us through this category. Thomas.

986
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,149
S2: Uh, yes. So this was the category where Best Live

987
00:39:59,150 --> 00:40:01,430
S2: Action short, and it was kind of our our best

988
00:40:01,430 --> 00:40:03,530
S2: shot at winning an Oscar. We had two different nominees, um,

989
00:40:03,530 --> 00:40:04,759
S2: Sara MacFarlane and Nikki.

990
00:40:04,940 --> 00:40:07,160
S1: We being Australia, not like us three.

991
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:07,700
S4: Yeah, yeah.

992
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:08,600
S3: No, we.

993
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:09,380
S4: Should have we should have had.

994
00:40:09,380 --> 00:40:11,510
S2: Something in there. Uh, this is where. Yeah, Australia had

995
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:13,790
S2: two separate nominees. Um, and I'm pretty sure red, white

996
00:40:13,790 --> 00:40:16,580
S2: and blue, uh, by Nikki Benton was the favorite. And

997
00:40:16,580 --> 00:40:18,200
S2: yet it ended up going to Wes Anderson. I haven't

998
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,720
S2: seen this thing this short film he's done. It's on

999
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,989
S2: Netflix for. Surprisingly, I haven't seen it. Um, but yeah,

1000
00:40:23,989 --> 00:40:26,120
S2: and he didn't even show up. So it was just like.

1001
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:26,870
S4: It is kind of funny.

1002
00:40:26,930 --> 00:40:28,910
S1: Maybe he thought, like, I don't think I'll win because

1003
00:40:28,910 --> 00:40:30,380
S1: you never give him anything. Also, it's like you've never

1004
00:40:30,380 --> 00:40:32,690
S1: given me anything before. Fuck you guys. I'm not gonna.

1005
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,610
S2: And he's kind of like a bit annoyed because, like,

1006
00:40:34,610 --> 00:40:37,640
S2: he's done so many, like, feature length films and then

1007
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,440
S2: to win for this, like, I wonder if he's just like.

1008
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:40,430
S4: Oh wait, was.

1009
00:40:40,430 --> 00:40:43,160
S3: He? Do we have any confirmation on where he was probably.

1010
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,049
S2: Photographing some kind of symmetrical building.

1011
00:40:45,260 --> 00:40:47,660
S3: That was like a political. Yeah, I hope it was

1012
00:40:47,660 --> 00:40:49,580
S3: a political stance. Like, I hope he was like, I'm

1013
00:40:49,580 --> 00:40:52,009
S3: not going because I don't respect your system.

1014
00:40:52,010 --> 00:40:52,400
S4: I'm sure.

1015
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,549
S1: It was. I'm sure it was, um, and the other, uh,

1016
00:40:55,550 --> 00:40:58,670
S1: the other winner who didn't collect their award was, um,

1017
00:40:58,670 --> 00:41:01,370
S1: hire Miyazaki for the boy and the heroine, which I respect.

1018
00:41:01,370 --> 00:41:04,130
S1: He's Japanese guy making his sick films, and it's just

1019
00:41:04,130 --> 00:41:05,839
S1: like he doesn't need the. Thanks, guys. I don't need this.

1020
00:41:05,930 --> 00:41:08,510
S1: I did here. Interestingly, the Japanese kind of Oscars were on, uh,

1021
00:41:08,510 --> 00:41:11,810
S1: over the weekend and their best international film went to

1022
00:41:11,810 --> 00:41:13,610
S1: Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning Part one.

1023
00:41:13,790 --> 00:41:16,160
S4: Because I get it, shout out Japan! They're just like.

1024
00:41:16,489 --> 00:41:18,810
S1: In the Oscars are like. Of interest. It's very.

1025
00:41:18,810 --> 00:41:19,620
S4: Heavy, meditative.

1026
00:41:19,620 --> 00:41:22,080
S1: Movie about the banality of evil or whatever. And then,

1027
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,300
S1: just like Tom cruise is sick, like, let's go.

1028
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:24,839
S4: That is.

1029
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,370
S3: Nice. It's such a good call. So we should.

1030
00:41:26,370 --> 00:41:27,270
S2: Live blog that.

1031
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,110
S1: Um, so at the end of the day, having watched

1032
00:41:31,110 --> 00:41:34,290
S1: the ceremony, seeing who won sin, who lost, thought about it,

1033
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,810
S1: how do we feel about this set of the Academy

1034
00:41:36,810 --> 00:41:40,049
S1: Awards and the set of cinema and culture in general?

1035
00:41:40,530 --> 00:41:42,870
S3: Look, I think I feel pretty good about the state

1036
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:47,280
S3: of cinema looking at the lineup. Um, yeah. Like I

1037
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,150
S3: they're amazing films, and I feel less good about the

1038
00:41:51,150 --> 00:41:53,670
S3: Academy Awards. I do think they kind of pick the

1039
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:56,520
S3: safer film. I do think the predictability of it is

1040
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,570
S3: not a good thing for the ceremony itself or for,

1041
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,240
S3: you know, film culture to kind of just have such

1042
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,279
S3: clear winners as we did in this time. And I

1043
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,560
S3: don't necessarily like we were just going through all this

1044
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,239
S3: and we were saying, like, you know, we did pick

1045
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,430
S3: all the winners, but the ones we all thought should

1046
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:14,189
S3: win were actually quite different to the ones that did win.

1047
00:42:14,190 --> 00:42:17,550
S3: So I guess, I don't know, I think, yeah, I

1048
00:42:17,550 --> 00:42:21,149
S3: think the Academy Awards probably will need to think about

1049
00:42:21,150 --> 00:42:22,830
S3: how it's going to mix it up to keep the

1050
00:42:22,830 --> 00:42:26,190
S3: audience engaged with the ceremony itself and the meaningfulness of

1051
00:42:26,190 --> 00:42:28,500
S3: those awards. But yeah, I feel pretty good about the

1052
00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:30,660
S3: state of cinema after watching that. Thomas.

1053
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,560
S2: Um, yeah, I think like it's interesting, we spoke about

1054
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,920
S2: how last year the Academy maybe did like, okay, like,

1055
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,350
S2: let's do the silly one and let's recognize everything everywhere

1056
00:42:40,350 --> 00:42:42,570
S2: all at once, which was a great film. But it

1057
00:42:42,570 --> 00:42:44,430
S2: does feel like certain films we just know are going

1058
00:42:44,430 --> 00:42:46,620
S2: to be Oscar bait. I mean, I don't the last

1059
00:42:46,620 --> 00:42:49,080
S2: thing anyone wants is for there to be more awards

1060
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,290
S2: after the ceremony to go longer. But it does feel

1061
00:42:52,290 --> 00:42:55,049
S2: like increasingly in this world where like there are so

1062
00:42:55,050 --> 00:42:59,100
S2: many great movies coming out, like having drama and comedy

1063
00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:01,649
S2: is like a conversation that perhaps is worth revisiting. I

1064
00:43:01,650 --> 00:43:03,600
S2: know you're like big on Oscars history. I mean, we've

1065
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,120
S2: both seen all the Oscars ever, but like, you know,

1066
00:43:06,210 --> 00:43:08,399
S2: like there are so many good films out there and

1067
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,080
S2: it's sometimes it is a bit crazy to have a

1068
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,660
S2: poor things and an Oppenheimer in the same category.

1069
00:43:12,810 --> 00:43:13,350
S4: Totally.

1070
00:43:13,350 --> 00:43:15,300
S1: I guess one of the things I've been thinking about

1071
00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:17,430
S1: is projecting forward 12 months from now. I mean, we're

1072
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:19,080
S1: just at the start of the year, really. But like,

1073
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,270
S1: is June Patu going to do an Oppenheimer? Is this

1074
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:21,930
S1: is this locked in?

1075
00:43:21,930 --> 00:43:23,100
S4: It's not going.

1076
00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:25,110
S1: To win like 6 to 8 Oscars. You don't think so?

1077
00:43:25,110 --> 00:43:26,759
S1: I think it could. I think June will pick up

1078
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,020
S1: like six Oscars this year.

1079
00:43:28,020 --> 00:43:29,790
S3: I think it will win a lot, but I reckon

1080
00:43:29,790 --> 00:43:32,759
S3: it will be two blockbuster for the Academy Awards. Like

1081
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,879
S3: I think you'll win a lot of cinematography and and also.

1082
00:43:36,330 --> 00:43:37,290
S4: Ones do they love.

1083
00:43:37,290 --> 00:43:37,920
S2: Sequels.

1084
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:38,880
S4: Like? No.

1085
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,690
S1: Interestingly, they tend to more reward the sort of final

1086
00:43:42,690 --> 00:43:44,340
S1: one in a trilogy, and famously, Lord of the Rings

1087
00:43:44,340 --> 00:43:46,980
S1: Return of the King is the one that got 11 wins,

1088
00:43:46,980 --> 00:43:48,629
S1: I think, by the end of it. But I just

1089
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:51,509
S1: think that there is there's something like Denis Villeneuve is

1090
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:53,969
S1: not just like a blockbuster director. He's considered to be

1091
00:43:53,969 --> 00:43:57,120
S1: a very like, arty director, I guess. And, you know,

1092
00:43:57,540 --> 00:43:59,520
S1: for lack of a better term. And there's just a

1093
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,100
S1: lot of hype around the performances of these people. I

1094
00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:04,500
S1: think as the Oscars are trying to blend together their

1095
00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:08,339
S1: recognition of great performances and great production with how do

1096
00:44:08,340 --> 00:44:12,360
S1: we be relevant to audiences that could converge on June

1097
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:13,739
S1: part two? That's just like my early.

1098
00:44:13,739 --> 00:44:16,620
S3: I love that 12 year early predictions 12 months out,

1099
00:44:16,650 --> 00:44:20,580
S3: the Oscars are barely like gold in their grave. You're like, now, June.

1100
00:44:20,969 --> 00:44:21,390
S4: I think you're.

1101
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:22,259
S3: Gonna win it all.

1102
00:44:22,260 --> 00:44:24,600
S2: What they actually need to do, and this may shock you,

1103
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,969
S2: is perhaps take a leaf from the longest book and

1104
00:44:27,150 --> 00:44:30,330
S2: most popular and most outstanding. And so in which case

1105
00:44:30,330 --> 00:44:31,920
S2: we can have, you know.

1106
00:44:32,190 --> 00:44:33,960
S1: This idea makes me so angry. I think we've just

1107
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:34,560
S1: got to wrap up the.

1108
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,480
S4: Point at this point, basically, when Tom.

1109
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:37,710
S2: Cruise can win some Oscars.

1110
00:44:37,710 --> 00:44:40,110
S1: Yeah, I do think it's outrageous that someone like Tom

1111
00:44:40,110 --> 00:44:42,510
S1: cruise still is hanging in the wind. Yeah, but.

1112
00:44:42,510 --> 00:44:45,030
S3: Then maybe they should make an award for kind of

1113
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:46,919
S3: his genre of film, you know what I mean?

1114
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,510
S4: Well, they've talked about this. That was that brief.

1115
00:44:48,510 --> 00:44:51,089
S1: Period where they announced like best Popular Movie, which was

1116
00:44:51,090 --> 00:44:53,400
S1: exactly that. And I think people this is this question

1117
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,799
S1: is you get money. Great. You're happy the Oscars are

1118
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,259
S1: not about that. This is recognizing something different to that.

1119
00:44:58,260 --> 00:45:00,989
S1: And I think I think there's a concern that if

1120
00:45:00,989 --> 00:45:03,840
S1: it does lean in that direction, it dilutes actually what

1121
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,730
S1: it is. It loses its purpose and no one cares

1122
00:45:05,730 --> 00:45:08,640
S1: about it anymore. All right. Well, let's leave it there.

1123
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,190
S1: That was a pleasure. I don't think it's fully hit

1124
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:13,620
S1: me yet. Like the adrenaline is still coursing through my veins.

1125
00:45:13,620 --> 00:45:15,030
S1: I'm gonna have a bit of a comedown now that

1126
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:17,549
S1: this is done and dusted. But the good news is, why.

1127
00:45:17,550 --> 00:45:18,780
S3: Don't you go watch June again?

1128
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:20,430
S4: I probably will.

1129
00:45:20,489 --> 00:45:21,359
S1: Maybe Oppenheimer to.

1130
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:22,320
S4: Celebrate the victory.

1131
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,140
S1: Um, we'll be back on Thursday with a usual episode

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S1: of the week. But until then, guys, thanks. See you then.

1133
00:45:28,140 --> 00:45:28,620
S1: See you then.

1134
00:45:28,770 --> 00:45:29,820
S2: He's looking at you, kid.

1135
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:32,070
S1: That isn't Casablanca.

1136
00:45:32,340 --> 00:45:32,820
S3: Well done.

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S1: This episode of The Drop was produced by Margaret Gordon.

1138
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1139
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:45,390
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1140
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