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S1: where we dive into the latest in the world of

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S1: Mel Cambrai. Hey, Thomas Mitchell. Yo, welcome to the OC, bitch.

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S2: I was going to say it. Welcome to the pod, bitch.

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S3: I knew one of us would.

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S2: I mean, it was there for the taking.

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UU: We've been on the run, driving in the sun, looking

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S2: Here we come right back where we started from.

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S1: It is 20 years since the O.C. debuted on television,

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S1: obviously one of the biggest teen shows of all time,

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S1: It had, I think it's fair to say it impact

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S1: the last couple of days, probably an impact on Thomas Mitchell. Mel,

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S2: But she was in a she was in a love triangle, essentially.

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S1: Were you the Anna or the summer Mel?

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S1: So when we get through Mel's wacky high school experience,

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S1: But I thought where we could start could be our

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S2: Yeah, 100%. That was kind of ten's whole identity then.

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S3: Yeah, I think, as you mentioned, our generation was probably

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S2: Yeah, I think I think that's really bang on it. Well,

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S1: I grew up in Port Macquarie in the mid-north coast

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S1: not at all. The beaches were great, but the class

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S2: Yeah. Plus I've seen the Christmas tree bro, and it's grim.

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S4: But I mean.

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S2: To be fair, we grew up in the Sutherland Shire.

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S2: it feel like overdone. And so like, yeah, like I

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S4: The next day.

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S3: I completely agree.

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S3: I also I think particularly for like at school, there

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S3: Because he was portrayed as this very lovable, quirky, eccentric nerd.

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S3: And so many people at our school were like, Well,

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S3: I'm Seth.

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S2: Exactly.

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S3: Did you ever consider being Ryan?

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S2: Well, I still kind of am convinced that I pinball

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S2: Person. Yeah, I think I actually identify most with Sandy. Yeah,

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S1: Of pinball between Jimmy Cooper and Sandy. I think I'm like,

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S1: I like to think that I'm, like, stoic and can

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S1: dispense wisdom, but also I'm very stressed doing too many things.

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S1: Some are probably borderline illegal. Tax man's come in. It's stressful.

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S2: You stink of white collar crime. To be honest.

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S1: This is not going to go well when this is

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S4: Point he.

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S1: Was bragging, Your Honor, about the crimes committed. I think

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S1: this maybe is a good time to to talk about

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S1: the pilot, because I think this pilot, it fucking rocked

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S1: like it is incredible. So much happens in this pilot.

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S1: So many characters introduced the themes of the show. So

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S1: to pivot because on top of what you guys were saying, like,

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S1: this show isn't just about teen romance and sex and relationships.

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S1: It's about class inequality. It's about tension between coming from

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S1: I could not believe how many things there jam-packed in,

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S1: even like hinting to Marissa's substance abuse issues that become

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S1: a bigger part of the show. There's just little cutaway

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S1: one episode I've just never seen. I know I'm sounding

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S1: like a little bit hysterical, but it really does make

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S1: you miss this era of television. That was my reaction

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S1: to rewatching it.

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S3: Yeah. So I had. Have you guys watched any of

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S3: The O.C. since it aired?

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S2: I've rewatched it a few years ago, like. So it's

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S2: here and there.

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S3: Yeah. I had never I had not touched it since.

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S3: So I was a bit apprehensive about going back to

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S3: date well. But I was surprised about how well it

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S3: dated and I actually wanted to keep watching and I

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S3: kept going with a few more episodes. I thought it

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S3: held up incredibly.

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S2: Yeah, I think so too. Like I was probably most surprised.

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S2: I rewatched it last night, the first three, and I

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S2: You can watch like two episodes of that and be like,

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S2: I know what this show's about and going to be

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S2: about for this first season. And they give so much

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S2: Like within the first episode, we get like the weird

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S2: and Sandy's like inner turmoil about like, basically he's from

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S2: the wrong side of the tracks, like Ryan too, but

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S5: Won't be when I'm done.

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S6: You're endangering our home. Did you even think of Seth?

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S6: It's only for the weekend.

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S5: Just till Child Services opens on Monday.

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S6: This is all a scam. What if he's just using

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S6: you to chase the house?

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S5: He's not a criminal mastermind. He's a kid who has

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S5: no one and nowhere to go. When did you become

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S5: so cynical?

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S6: When did you become so self righteous?

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S5: I've always been self righteous.

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S2: We get lots of hints about Jimmy's like white collar

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S2: crime and the financial situation that's going to plague the

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S2: Cooper family and also the like. The kind of dissatisfaction

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S2: in the marriage between Julie Cooper and Jimmy. And then

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S2: we also get like Luke coming in the boyfriend, and

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S2: then you see Marissa, like, drinking too much. It's just

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S2: like it sets up everything. We also get.

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S1: Kirsten and Jimmy have this history that is alluded to

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S1: and pointed to. There's so much they manage to fit

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S2: Yeah. And but then the story is still essentially starts

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S2: with you know that Ryan we you know he's public

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S2: defender is Sandy and you know he he gets kicked

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S2: out of his house and he ends up living in

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S2: this pool house which was like all I wanted for

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S2: my life was a pool house back then. But yeah,

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S2: it really sets up this world incredibly. And then it

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S2: also just like I love because it's such a classic

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S2: OC ism, but they just, like every episode, features some

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S2: fucking grand party. And then, you know, in the first episode,

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S2: I think Marissa Cooper, 16 year old high school student,

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S2: is having a fashion fundraiser and they just call it

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S3: And the sad montage that's also I noticed in the

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S3: playing over kind of a montage of the characters. I

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S3: had forgotten how much of a part of the show

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S3: that was. Yeah, but what surprised me was I forgot

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S3: the it was quite gritty at the start. Like I

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S3: forgot how dark the opening was with Ryan robbing a

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S3: car and then being sent to jail.

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S1: And yeah, with his brother Trey, who the actor they replaced.

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S1: I think they basically kept everyone else from the pilot,

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S1: but they like this guy who played Trey Never again.

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S1: And when Trey became an actual character later on, they

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S1: got an entirely new actor.

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S3: You know who else actually got dumped, I believe later

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S3: on was a little cameo. Shailene Woodley plays Marissa's younger sister,

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S3: the one who's got the pony with alopecia. Yeah, yeah.

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S3: She I whole character.

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S1: Kind of gets sort of just shunted. They go, yeah.

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S4: She comes back.

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S2: Later and she's like a bit older.

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S3: Yeah, but, and it's a new actor playing her, so

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S3: I don't think she stood there. All right.

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S2: That's probably one of my biggest lol moments when she

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00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,859
S2: comes in and she's like, Daddy, China's got alopecia.

451
00:19:51,490 --> 00:19:51,940
S4: All right.

452
00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,230
S1: One of the moments from the pilot where I sort

453
00:19:56,230 --> 00:19:59,170
S1: of jumped out of my chair and like Fist Pumped

454
00:19:59,170 --> 00:20:02,440
S1: was the first time we hear the Phantom Planets on California,

455
00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,450
S1: which became the theme of the show. I did not

456
00:20:04,450 --> 00:20:09,070
S1: remember that. That song sort of played like in the show,

457
00:20:09,070 --> 00:20:11,740
S1: like there's no actual credit sequence, I think in this pilot,

458
00:20:11,740 --> 00:20:15,070
S1: unlike the rest of the series, It's just when Sandy

459
00:20:15,070 --> 00:20:17,199
S1: goes to pick up Ryan after he's been kicked out

460
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,270
S1: of his mom's place and it's like, you can come

461
00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:20,590
S1: stay with me and you pull it and they get

462
00:20:20,590 --> 00:20:23,830
S1: in the car and California starts playing.

463
00:20:24,100 --> 00:20:30,700
UU: Right back where? The pedal to the floor. Fake. Told you.

464
00:20:31,810 --> 00:20:32,620
S7: You can do worse.

465
00:20:42,070 --> 00:20:45,040
S1: And it is so good. And I can't hear the

466
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,680
S1: word California without singing that song in my head. That

467
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,770
S1: is surely a huge part of the show success as well.

468
00:20:50,890 --> 00:20:53,379
S2: Well, yeah. I mean, I guess that was the kicking

469
00:20:53,380 --> 00:20:56,260
S2: off point for the relationship between music and the OC.

470
00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:59,350
S2: Those two things were, you know, you couldn't separate them

471
00:20:59,350 --> 00:21:02,470
S2: from each other. They the way the show used music

472
00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:05,770
S2: changed TV, I think, in a way, and also changed

473
00:21:05,770 --> 00:21:08,920
S2: the trajectory for a lot of important bands. Now there

474
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,730
S2: are scenes that you like forever. You hear the song,

475
00:21:12,730 --> 00:21:14,010
S2: you think of the scene like, I mean, we see

476
00:21:14,020 --> 00:21:18,100
S2: in episode two when Ryan hilariously Ryan sends Marissa away

477
00:21:18,100 --> 00:21:20,350
S2: out of the model home and then Hallelujah starts playing.

478
00:21:21,010 --> 00:21:24,220
S2: And then obviously I think there's a few Sufjan songs

479
00:21:24,490 --> 00:21:25,850
S2: at funerals and stuff, and.

480
00:21:26,050 --> 00:21:28,870
S3: All American Rejects popped in in the first episode, which

481
00:21:28,869 --> 00:21:30,190
S3: I which I enjoyed that.

482
00:21:30,410 --> 00:21:33,790
S1: You know who played drums on the Phantom Planet? Song California.

483
00:21:33,790 --> 00:21:36,219
S2: Thomas Uh, I do not.

484
00:21:36,980 --> 00:21:39,500
S1: Jason Schwartzman from Asteroid City.

485
00:21:39,619 --> 00:21:41,270
S2: Oh, God, there's so many.

486
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:42,590
S1: You guys didn't know that?

487
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,590
S2: No, I think I think maybe I did. But like,

488
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:46,369
S2: in the moment, he was the.

489
00:21:46,369 --> 00:21:49,580
S1: Drummer in Phantom Planet until 2003, so he sort of

490
00:21:49,580 --> 00:21:52,520
S1: snuck in. They did California, which he's credited as a

491
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,399
S1: writer on. So who's getting those royalties? And then he

492
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,460
S1: went off when his acting career blew up. What else

493
00:21:58,460 --> 00:22:01,280
S1: stood out to you from this pilot, whether it was

494
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,679
S1: like the themes, the acting, the characters?

495
00:22:04,340 --> 00:22:07,340
S2: Well, I think, like for me, I think it's worth

496
00:22:07,340 --> 00:22:10,760
S2: talking about some of the really important scenes that like

497
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,980
S2: we get in these first two episodes, especially like I

498
00:22:12,980 --> 00:22:14,990
S2: think it's one of the all time great teen scenes

499
00:22:14,990 --> 00:22:18,950
S2: when Marissa, you know, she's standing there, the absolute picture

500
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:22,459
S2: of like suburban innocence waiting for her big boyfriend to

501
00:22:22,460 --> 00:22:24,410
S2: come and pick her up with his surfboards on top

502
00:22:24,410 --> 00:22:26,990
S2: of his like, fuck off jeep. And then you've got like,

503
00:22:26,990 --> 00:22:29,900
S2: Ryan wrong side of the tracks outward, about to light

504
00:22:29,900 --> 00:22:32,810
S2: up a cigarette. And she says, Who are you? And

505
00:22:32,810 --> 00:22:34,970
S2: he says, Whoever you want me to be.

506
00:22:39,660 --> 00:22:40,530
S8: Who are you?

507
00:22:41,369 --> 00:22:42,570
S9: Whoever you want me to be.

508
00:22:44,750 --> 00:22:45,500
S10: Okay.

509
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:50,540
S2: I reckon I used to practice whoever you want me

510
00:22:50,540 --> 00:22:52,760
S2: to be in the mirror back in my Ryanair before

511
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,830
S2: I shifted to Seth. But like that, you know, that

512
00:22:54,830 --> 00:22:56,900
S2: was just so good. Again, it was like. And like

513
00:22:56,900 --> 00:22:59,030
S2: the acting is, you know, I have.

514
00:22:59,030 --> 00:23:01,400
S3: To say, I reckon as a pair, they're probably the

515
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,150
S3: weakest acting kind of duo in the show.

516
00:23:05,390 --> 00:23:08,480
S2: And the amount that Benjamin McKenzie hams it up. It's like,

517
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,790
S2: it's so funny if you rewatch it, he like lights

518
00:23:10,790 --> 00:23:12,770
S2: the cigarette, then he like leans against the pole, then

519
00:23:12,770 --> 00:23:14,720
S2: he like brushes his hair and he's like, whoever you

520
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,179
S2: want me to be. And it's fucking ridiculous.

521
00:23:16,190 --> 00:23:19,430
S1: Also, he lights her cigarette through his own cigarette, which

522
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:21,080
S1: is the thing you do if you don't have a lighter.

523
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,670
S1: But he's got a lighter in his hand.

524
00:23:22,670 --> 00:23:24,320
S2: Literally said this last night. My wife and I were

525
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,270
S2: watching it and we like both used to smoke and

526
00:23:26,270 --> 00:23:27,889
S2: I was like, Why the fuck it's so annoying? Lighting

527
00:23:27,890 --> 00:23:28,880
S2: a cigarette off a cigarette.

528
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:29,959
S3: That's why you guys don't get the.

529
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:30,980
S4: Marissa Yeah.

530
00:23:30,980 --> 00:23:32,930
S2: And then I was like, You guys don't have vapes, man. Like,

531
00:23:32,930 --> 00:23:34,129
S2: have a BlackBerry. What's up with you?

532
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,760
S3: I really enjoyed the party scene. I thought it was

533
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,250
S3: great that they had a party scene. In the first episode.

534
00:23:40,250 --> 00:23:42,740
S3: They get into a fight with the water polo team.

535
00:23:42,740 --> 00:23:45,949
S1: This party is so hectic. There's like five guys passed

536
00:23:45,950 --> 00:23:49,220
S1: out from smoking a bong. There's people racking up cocaine.

537
00:23:49,220 --> 00:23:52,310
S1: There's like 14, 15 year olds. This is intense stuff

538
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:52,740
S1: for the ocean.

539
00:23:52,740 --> 00:23:53,959
S2: Yeah. And I thought the exact same thing. I was

540
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,060
S2: actually kind of glad because, like Seth, again, this is

541
00:23:56,060 --> 00:23:57,770
S2: very I say it makes reference to it because, like,

542
00:23:57,770 --> 00:24:00,320
S2: you're thinking this is crazy. Like these guys are doing cocaine.

543
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,270
S2: But then he's like, Oh, okay, there's cocaine here. So

544
00:24:02,270 --> 00:24:03,980
S2: it's like, I mean, Seth was always kind of the

545
00:24:03,980 --> 00:24:06,170
S2: audience surrogate, but it was so good because it's like, yes,

546
00:24:06,170 --> 00:24:08,780
S2: this is he realizes this is fucking insane. And so

547
00:24:08,780 --> 00:24:11,359
S2: obviously the party scene gives us another of the most

548
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,629
S2: iconic lines. When Ryan and Luke have their first of

549
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:17,869
S2: kind of like many fights, but that's when he defends

550
00:24:17,869 --> 00:24:19,429
S2: Seth Donald for the first time and Luke punches him.

551
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:20,660
S2: And of course, he says.

552
00:24:20,780 --> 00:24:22,490
S3: Welcome to The O.C., bitch.

553
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:27,790
S11: Welcome to The O.C., bitch. This is how it's done

554
00:24:27,790 --> 00:24:28,690
S11: in Orange County.

555
00:24:29,619 --> 00:24:32,379
S1: And then he goes, This is Orange County or something

556
00:24:32,380 --> 00:24:34,510
S1: like that. It's like you just said, The O.C. You've

557
00:24:34,510 --> 00:24:37,300
S1: referenced the name of the show already, but now you

558
00:24:37,300 --> 00:24:39,399
S1: just really want to tell us what the OC means

559
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,500
S1: in case those of us in Australia don't understand what

560
00:24:41,500 --> 00:24:42,520
S1: the hell this place is.

561
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,650
S3: And to be fair, we probably didn't like the O.C.

562
00:24:44,650 --> 00:24:47,800
S3: and Orange County. It wasn't really on our radar until

563
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,230
S3: this show. And then you think about the show's set

564
00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:54,010
S3: in this world that followed Laguna Beach, The Hills, or

565
00:24:54,010 --> 00:24:57,160
S3: The Real Housewives like it did kind of kick off

566
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,379
S3: a lot of O.C. television.

567
00:25:09,210 --> 00:25:12,630
S1: Was it Laguna Beach? The tagline was like, The Real O.C..

568
00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:13,110
S2: O.C..

569
00:25:13,109 --> 00:25:13,629
S4: Yeah.

570
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,659
S1: And then there was you wrote about this Thomas and

571
00:25:15,660 --> 00:25:18,230
S1: your piece sort of covering 20 years of the O.C.

572
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,820
S1: We get a cameo from Paris Hilton later on in

573
00:25:20,820 --> 00:25:24,810
S1: the show, who is a character on a fictional show

574
00:25:24,810 --> 00:25:28,700
S1: within The O.C. that is a parody of Laguna Beach.

575
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:29,850
S1: Is that right? Have I got that right?

576
00:25:29,850 --> 00:25:32,640
S2: Yes. Correct. Yes. Yes, it was it was it was

577
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,290
S2: very meta in that way. And that was that was

578
00:25:34,290 --> 00:25:35,639
S2: a kind of a great cameo because I think it

579
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,490
S2: was like The Valley was the show that they were

580
00:25:38,490 --> 00:25:40,989
S2: obsessed with in the show. So like, which was basically.

581
00:25:40,990 --> 00:25:42,300
S1: A stand in for The O.C..

582
00:25:42,510 --> 00:25:45,480
S2: Correct. So they would watch the Valley all the time.

583
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,750
S2: But then in the show, we got a reality show

584
00:25:48,750 --> 00:25:51,510
S2: based on the Valley, which was called Sherman Oaks, the

585
00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:54,900
S2: Real Valley. So like, there was just so much like self-referential,

586
00:25:54,900 --> 00:25:58,230
S2: winking and knowing what people were talking about in terms

587
00:25:58,230 --> 00:26:00,210
S2: of the O.C. and then and then recreating the show,

588
00:26:00,210 --> 00:26:02,850
S2: which I thought was great. But yeah, like it really.

589
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:07,530
S2: The O.C. and Newport was like basically the fifth big

590
00:26:07,530 --> 00:26:10,020
S2: character in the show. Besides the four leads, because it

591
00:26:10,020 --> 00:26:12,179
S2: informs so much of like what happened. There was this

592
00:26:12,180 --> 00:26:15,210
S2: constant battle between like the newsies and the non Newsies.

593
00:26:15,210 --> 00:26:18,719
S2: And like The O.C. was a show about class and

594
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,510
S2: it's constantly discussed, you know, whether you're trying to like,

595
00:26:21,540 --> 00:26:24,630
S2: get into that upper echelon or someone like Jimmy, like

596
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:28,409
S2: desperately doing anything to stay in that world that, you know,

597
00:26:28,410 --> 00:26:29,359
S2: it was so important to.

598
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,280
S3: I don't think I fully appreciated that class dynamic at

599
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,199
S3: the time until I went back and rewatched like, I

600
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,540
S3: don't think as a kid that was what jumped out

601
00:26:36,540 --> 00:26:37,260
S3: to me.

602
00:26:37,260 --> 00:26:39,570
S2: Yeah, because I think like when we first meet Julie Cooper,

603
00:26:39,570 --> 00:26:42,330
S2: for instance, she's like this classic soap villain, like, you know,

604
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,230
S2: like A90210 style, just like, Oh, this is a bad character.

605
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:48,510
S2: But then throughout the seasons, they reveal that she was like,

606
00:26:48,510 --> 00:26:51,149
S2: she grew up poor. And so her like, kind of

607
00:26:51,150 --> 00:26:54,060
S2: like real desperate attempts to remain in The O.C. are

608
00:26:54,060 --> 00:26:57,180
S2: informed by her own past and stuff. So it does paint,

609
00:26:57,450 --> 00:26:59,970
S2: I think, a pretty accurate portrayal of these weird types

610
00:26:59,970 --> 00:27:00,689
S2: of suburbs.

611
00:27:00,690 --> 00:27:03,540
S3: I also thought Sandy was fantastic in the pilot and

612
00:27:03,540 --> 00:27:06,390
S3: in these opening episodes. He again at the time didn't

613
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:08,880
S3: really jump out to me as my favorite character, but

614
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,340
S3: I think going back, Sandy really shines.

615
00:27:11,340 --> 00:27:14,130
S1: Sandy is an MVP in so many ways. It's so

616
00:27:14,130 --> 00:27:16,350
S1: nice to hear a Josh Schwartz that the writer and

617
00:27:16,350 --> 00:27:20,820
S1: creator talk about that dynamic between Sandy and Seth being

618
00:27:20,820 --> 00:27:22,560
S1: modeled on him and his dad. And he said, I

619
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,689
S1: was really lucky. I had a great family and I

620
00:27:24,690 --> 00:27:28,470
S1: really wanted to, amidst all of this, like class heavy

621
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:31,440
S1: thematic stuff, the sex and drugs just show what a

622
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,590
S1: good family could look like. Sandy Cohen was played by

623
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:38,280
S1: Peter Gallagher, who has what I think is maybe the

624
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,609
S1: best and weirdest quote about the show that I've found

625
00:27:41,609 --> 00:27:44,879
S1: in my research for this. So he was attracted to

626
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,919
S1: the project. He read the script of the pilot and thought,

627
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,270
S1: I've got to get on board with this. And when

628
00:27:48,270 --> 00:27:50,970
S1: he was asked, What about that script made you want

629
00:27:50,970 --> 00:27:54,960
S1: to do this show? And he said, in Thatrillionecently post

630
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,200
S1: nine over 11 America, I read this script and thought

631
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,600
S1: it was astounding. I thought it was exactly the right

632
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,580
S1: story to be telling at that point in time. It

633
00:28:02,580 --> 00:28:05,940
S1: was about a family living in a not very embracing community,

634
00:28:05,940 --> 00:28:09,330
S1: one that doesn't necessarily share all their values. They don't

635
00:28:09,330 --> 00:28:11,640
S1: lose their sense of humor or the inclination to help.

636
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,820
S1: They still open their arms and embrace this outsider. And

637
00:28:14,820 --> 00:28:17,280
S1: I thought that was so powerful in an era with

638
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,980
S1: a kind of xenophobia. I kind of looking over your

639
00:28:19,980 --> 00:28:22,890
S1: shoulder and getting small and angry, sort of creeping into

640
00:28:22,890 --> 00:28:26,850
S1: the Patriot Act fueled environment. This espoused a kind of America.

641
00:28:26,850 --> 00:28:31,560
S1: It just felt right. Well, Sandy Cohen saying The O.C.,

642
00:28:31,619 --> 00:28:35,010
S1: sort of a rejection of like the President Bush world

643
00:28:35,010 --> 00:28:37,560
S1: order that he constructed after 9/11 11 and the war

644
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,390
S1: in Iraq. That is great stuff. I'd never seen that

645
00:28:39,390 --> 00:28:40,740
S1: quote before. It was awesome.

646
00:28:40,890 --> 00:28:42,930
S3: I really and I don't know much about Peter Gallagher

647
00:28:42,930 --> 00:28:45,000
S3: off the show, but I really love that he sounds

648
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,880
S3: like he is like Sandy. Yeah, sensible, very wise. We

649
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,260
S3: can all learn something from him.

650
00:28:49,260 --> 00:28:51,180
S1: It sounds like something insane I would say about the

651
00:28:51,180 --> 00:28:52,890
S1: show that everyone would make fun of me for actually

652
00:28:52,890 --> 00:28:55,920
S1: The O.C. Really? About what kind of world we want

653
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,270
S1: to live in after the war on terror.

654
00:28:57,300 --> 00:28:59,340
S3: Yeah, actually was. We were talking and we were wondering

655
00:28:59,340 --> 00:29:01,710
S3: if you could tell us what this show means.

656
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,820
S1: It's about rejecting the Patriot Act fueled xenophobia and insularity

657
00:29:05,820 --> 00:29:10,050
S1: of America. The other the other hilarious and really interesting

658
00:29:10,050 --> 00:29:13,320
S1: pilot fact. I found is that the director of the

659
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,270
S1: pilot and of a lot of episodes of the first

660
00:29:15,270 --> 00:29:18,480
S1: couple of seasons of The O.C. is Doug Liman, who

661
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,720
S1: is the guy who directed Immediately Before The O.C. He

662
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,210
S1: directed a little film called The Bourne Identity.

663
00:29:24,570 --> 00:29:25,290
S2: Oh, really?

664
00:29:25,290 --> 00:29:27,930
S1: Yeah. Went on to direct Edge of Tomorrow, the Emily Blunt,

665
00:29:27,930 --> 00:29:32,040
S1: Tom Cruise Joint. And certainly The Bourne Identity does have

666
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,640
S1: lots of themes about, you know, America and the Deep

667
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,580
S1: State and, you know, how we should construct a world

668
00:29:38,580 --> 00:29:42,330
S1: after 911. I'm loving this, this thesis of The O.C.

669
00:29:42,330 --> 00:29:45,840
S1: being one of the first post 911 television shows.

670
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:48,720
S2: I do have a surprise, fun fact for you guys

671
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,680
S2: because I know you like when I bring the fun. Please, please.

672
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,270
S2: I think it's and I think it's important because this

673
00:29:54,270 --> 00:29:56,100
S2: is one of the biggest talking points, not only in

674
00:29:56,100 --> 00:29:59,280
S2: The O.C., but in this genre of TV generally. I

675
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,950
S2: would like to take you through the cast ages on

676
00:30:01,950 --> 00:30:03,330
S2: day of filming the pilot.

677
00:30:03,330 --> 00:30:03,690
S4: Yes.

678
00:30:03,690 --> 00:30:07,160
S3: Because maybe potentially this is something that has not aged well.

679
00:30:07,170 --> 00:30:09,170
S2: Yes. And also it really, I think. When you hear

680
00:30:09,170 --> 00:30:13,160
S2: them makes a lot of sense about like what happened

681
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,480
S2: during production.

682
00:30:14,780 --> 00:30:16,370
S1: Can we just like set the scene a little bit?

683
00:30:16,380 --> 00:30:18,920
S1: Because one of the things that was really obvious, even

684
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,500
S1: if we didn't know exactly the ages, was that like

685
00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:26,540
S1: Ryan looked pretty old and Marissa looked pretty young. That

686
00:30:26,540 --> 00:30:28,640
S1: was like a general vibe we had on this.

687
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:29,420
S4: Show, correct?

688
00:30:29,420 --> 00:30:33,170
S2: Ryan looked like Ryan and Sandy looked like peas, essentially.

689
00:30:33,740 --> 00:30:36,530
S2: And Marissa did look young. But obviously it is that

690
00:30:36,530 --> 00:30:38,959
S2: typical thing when they cast, you know, like high schoolers

691
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,700
S2: in a show, everyone's always like, Oh, these guys look

692
00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:43,850
S2: nothing like me. And Ryan especially looked nothing like people

693
00:30:43,850 --> 00:30:46,430
S2: that I went to school with. So Mischa Barton, who

694
00:30:46,430 --> 00:30:50,930
S2: played Marissa, was 17, which is, you know, appropriate, I guess,

695
00:30:50,930 --> 00:30:54,140
S2: for the character Benjamin McKenzie, who played Ryan, was 24.

696
00:30:54,140 --> 00:30:56,690
S2: So that's like pretty weird. That's like a seven year

697
00:30:56,690 --> 00:30:59,510
S2: age gap for two people who are spending 90% of

698
00:30:59,510 --> 00:31:03,620
S2: their scene time together doing pretty intense scenes. And, you know,

699
00:31:03,620 --> 00:31:05,330
S2: Mischa Barton has since spoken about her time on the

700
00:31:05,330 --> 00:31:07,280
S2: show and really spoken to the fact that she was

701
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,209
S2: possibly too young or the intensity of production and expectation

702
00:31:11,210 --> 00:31:14,330
S2: on her like had an impact. And obviously she left

703
00:31:14,330 --> 00:31:17,150
S2: the show first. So interesting to note. Then you've got

704
00:31:17,570 --> 00:31:20,180
S2: Kelly Rowan, who played Kirsten. She was 37. Peter Gallagher

705
00:31:20,180 --> 00:31:22,490
S2: was ten years her senior. He was 47. But then

706
00:31:22,490 --> 00:31:25,280
S2: you've got like Adam Brody was 23, Rachel Bilson was 21.

707
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,460
S2: So like there's still much older and especially those years

708
00:31:28,460 --> 00:31:31,220
S2: are quite significant. Like to have Marissa, essentially the main

709
00:31:31,220 --> 00:31:33,290
S2: star of the first two seasons being 6 or 7

710
00:31:33,290 --> 00:31:34,610
S2: years younger than her co-stars.

711
00:31:34,610 --> 00:31:37,370
S1: Yeah, I was listening to the podcast that Rachel Bilson,

712
00:31:37,370 --> 00:31:40,940
S1: who played Summer does with Melissa Clarke, who played Julie Cooper,

713
00:31:40,940 --> 00:31:44,390
S1: and Melissa says that she was 33 when they were

714
00:31:44,390 --> 00:31:47,420
S1: filming that show. And like, I'm 33 now, it's so

715
00:31:47,420 --> 00:31:49,460
S1: odd to watch the show. 20 I mean, it makes

716
00:31:49,460 --> 00:31:52,400
S1: sense with how aging and numbers work, but it is

717
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,100
S1: odd to watch a show like this when you're closer

718
00:31:55,100 --> 00:31:57,950
S1: in age to the parents and in kind of like

719
00:31:57,950 --> 00:32:00,830
S1: lifestyle and where you're at than to the actual kids

720
00:32:00,830 --> 00:32:03,229
S1: that you watched when you were their age 20 years ago.

721
00:32:03,410 --> 00:32:06,260
S2: Just Osbourne rolling around in like a velour tracksuit, taking

722
00:32:06,260 --> 00:32:07,700
S2: his kids to a tracksuit.

723
00:32:07,700 --> 00:32:09,410
S1: Where's my pistachio froyo?

724
00:32:09,650 --> 00:32:12,830
S3: Talking about velour tracksuits. I actually thought the fashion held

725
00:32:12,830 --> 00:32:15,680
S3: up really well. What? Marissa is wearing the low, like

726
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,230
S3: the low cut jeans there. It's all back in now.

727
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:18,979
S4: She's coming back.

728
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:21,290
S1: Let's talk about some of the other kind of bigger

729
00:32:21,290 --> 00:32:25,400
S1: picture legacy points for The O.C. We've talked about the

730
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,490
S1: music a bit. I do think it's hard to overstate

731
00:32:28,490 --> 00:32:31,100
S1: the way that this show used music so well, both

732
00:32:31,100 --> 00:32:34,370
S1: in terms of just highlighting artists and kind of weaving

733
00:32:34,370 --> 00:32:36,920
S1: them in through the soundtrack into the show. Then we

734
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,980
S1: get the development of the Bait Shop, which is this

735
00:32:39,980 --> 00:32:43,670
S1: actual venue in the show that real life bands would

736
00:32:43,670 --> 00:32:47,120
S1: play at the music supervisor of this show, a woman

737
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,840
S1: called Alexandra Petrovich. She was the music supervisor also for

738
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,930
S1: Grey's Anatomy, for Gossip Girl, for Bridgerton, and for the

739
00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:57,740
S1: Twilight films and all of those shows. And the Twilight

740
00:32:57,740 --> 00:33:03,740
S1: films have really outstanding and sharp soundtracks that capture the

741
00:33:03,740 --> 00:33:06,710
S1: vibe of the moment, right? Like The O.C. sums up

742
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:09,260
S1: indie rock. By the time we're at Gossip Girl, we're

743
00:33:09,260 --> 00:33:12,200
S1: talking like kind of more dance, more electronic, more poppy

744
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,380
S1: kind of stuff. She's a genius. It seems easy to

745
00:33:15,380 --> 00:33:18,680
S1: be like, Oh, cool. Like you used halleluiah at this moment.

746
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,920
S1: But the way that the songs kind of cross-genre is

747
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,340
S1: crossed decades and just felt right for the emotional moments

748
00:33:25,340 --> 00:33:28,550
S1: that they were scoring is a really, really, really cool

749
00:33:28,550 --> 00:33:29,360
S1: part of the show.

750
00:33:29,510 --> 00:33:31,370
S2: Yeah, for sure. And I think, you know, like again,

751
00:33:31,370 --> 00:33:33,260
S2: even in the first two episodes, we see it like

752
00:33:33,260 --> 00:33:36,290
S2: they they're in the car driving somewhere and Marissa is

753
00:33:36,290 --> 00:33:39,380
S2: playing Rooney on the stereo, the band, and they work

754
00:33:39,380 --> 00:33:41,350
S2: it into the script. She says to Ryan, like, Oh,

755
00:33:41,390 --> 00:33:42,860
S2: like this is Rooney, do you know them? And he's like, No,

756
00:33:42,860 --> 00:33:45,500
S2: I don't, but I like them. Do you like.

757
00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:49,460
S12: Them? Yeah, I guess. Well, what do you like? Everything.

758
00:33:50,900 --> 00:33:52,630
S9: I don't know. I don't really listen to music.

759
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:54,220
S13: Dude, that's kind of weird.

760
00:33:54,670 --> 00:33:56,050
S2: Why? What do you like? And then the same thing,

761
00:33:56,050 --> 00:33:58,010
S2: like Death Cab, I think comes up like 4 or

762
00:33:58,010 --> 00:34:01,270
S2: 5 times across the show. And Death Cab for Cutie

763
00:34:01,270 --> 00:34:03,760
S2: were were again, like another kind of major part of

764
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,190
S2: the universe, major part of my life at that time.

765
00:34:06,190 --> 00:34:07,450
S2: One of my all time favorite bands.

766
00:34:14,469 --> 00:34:18,000
UU: I can't believe Seth is missing his favorite band. No,

767
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,160
UU: it's one thing blowing me off, blowing off Death Cab.

768
00:34:20,670 --> 00:34:21,620
S14: This comic book. But, you know.

769
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,140
S2: They essentially were around ish, like in the in the

770
00:34:25,140 --> 00:34:27,720
S2: small indie scene coming out of Seattle, but they were

771
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,910
S2: broken on the OC and like after they played the

772
00:34:29,910 --> 00:34:33,120
S2: bait shop and, and were mentioned like several times namechecked

773
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,489
S2: in the show, they then signed a deal with Atlantic

774
00:34:35,489 --> 00:34:39,420
S2: Records in November 2004 and released Transatlantic, which was like

775
00:34:39,420 --> 00:34:40,860
S2: some of their songs were featured on the show. Like

776
00:34:41,060 --> 00:34:44,040
S2: it helped create that band. Like same thing with Modest Mouse.

777
00:34:44,070 --> 00:34:46,770
S2: The same thing with The Killers. Like it really like

778
00:34:46,770 --> 00:34:48,850
S2: thrust them into this waiting audience.

779
00:34:48,870 --> 00:34:52,500
S1: Also, Sydney's own youth group, who wrote Forever Young, I think,

780
00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:53,670
S1: for the show.

781
00:34:57,850 --> 00:35:00,160
UU: Be forever young.

782
00:35:11,969 --> 00:35:14,580
S1: Really funny quote from them about like at the time

783
00:35:14,580 --> 00:35:17,219
S1: about the impact that that had. They're like, well, after

784
00:35:17,219 --> 00:35:20,100
S1: that show came out, our iTunes sales, you know, we

785
00:35:20,100 --> 00:35:23,790
S1: had 5000 iTune sales a week. It's crazy. It's like, wow,

786
00:35:23,790 --> 00:35:27,000
S1: that really was a different time for for music.

787
00:35:27,150 --> 00:35:29,160
S2: And you and you obviously can't have this conversation without

788
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,000
S2: like much.

789
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,530
S15: Assess.

790
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:38,620
S11: What you say. Oh, that you only meant when. Well,

791
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,140
S11: cause you did what you say.

792
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,620
S2: That Imogen Heap song like who can play that song

793
00:35:45,620 --> 00:35:47,450
S2: without being like, Oh my God. Marissa Just try.

794
00:35:47,570 --> 00:35:50,480
S3: That. And the bluest, bluest light block party. I remember

795
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,989
S3: that every single playlist had that, like, had that song

796
00:35:53,989 --> 00:35:55,040
S3: on it in high school.

797
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,170
S2: Yeah, it was amazing the way they managed to kind

798
00:35:57,170 --> 00:36:00,140
S2: of like make these moments like inseparable from one another.

799
00:36:00,140 --> 00:36:03,140
S2: And also, yeah, the music. Like I had a conversation

800
00:36:03,140 --> 00:36:04,670
S2: with a colleague that was like, I base my entire

801
00:36:04,670 --> 00:36:07,009
S2: music personality for life off the OC.

802
00:36:08,030 --> 00:36:11,239
S1: Should we talk about the legacy of this show? Maybe

803
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,630
S1: we'll start with like the cast, right? Like they have

804
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:18,979
S1: gone on to quite interesting and like very different projects.

805
00:36:18,980 --> 00:36:21,260
S1: It's sort of interesting because at the time you would

806
00:36:21,260 --> 00:36:24,799
S1: have thought they would have all become megastars because the

807
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,900
S1: show was so big. It was catching them when they

808
00:36:26,900 --> 00:36:28,939
S1: were young. They could have gone on to become big

809
00:36:28,940 --> 00:36:32,450
S1: Hollywood actors. Didn't really happen for McKenzie.

810
00:36:32,450 --> 00:36:33,589
S2: Wasn't that young, was he?

811
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,650
S4: No, that's true. He was ready to retire. Yeah.

812
00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:39,260
S1: I don't know if you guys saw Hart of Dixie,

813
00:36:39,260 --> 00:36:41,660
S1: which was like the other big thing that Rachel Bilson did.

814
00:36:41,660 --> 00:36:43,130
S1: I really enjoyed that show. Yeah, she.

815
00:36:43,130 --> 00:36:44,540
S2: Played like a small town doctor or.

816
00:36:44,540 --> 00:36:47,120
S1: Something. Yeah, she's like a doctor who comes from, I think,

817
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,339
S1: New York or LA and moves to like the Deep

818
00:36:49,340 --> 00:36:52,009
S1: South and becomes the town's doctor. For me, that character

819
00:36:52,010 --> 00:36:54,380
S1: was basically just summer after she went to college, became

820
00:36:54,380 --> 00:36:56,360
S1: a doctor and then moved here. It was a very,

821
00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:01,640
S1: like light, fun, enjoyable Netflix sort of bingeable show. And

822
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,469
S1: the fact that like, it's a show that's not that

823
00:37:03,469 --> 00:37:06,260
S1: well known and yet it's probably the most success anyone

824
00:37:06,260 --> 00:37:09,589
S1: saw after the series really says something.

825
00:37:09,980 --> 00:37:12,770
S3: I reckon Adam Brody's having a he's having a comeback.

826
00:37:12,770 --> 00:37:15,110
S3: He was in Fleishman was in trouble, and he was very,

827
00:37:15,350 --> 00:37:17,810
S3: very good in that. So maybe this is his maybe

828
00:37:17,810 --> 00:37:19,219
S3: this is his return that we're seeing.

829
00:37:19,250 --> 00:37:21,230
S1: Yeah, he was great in Flashman. It's just like, where

830
00:37:21,230 --> 00:37:22,370
S1: has he been for 20 years?

831
00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:23,570
S2: Well, yeah, this is the thing. I think it was

832
00:37:23,570 --> 00:37:27,200
S2: really funny. Like everyone, I mean, the the wheels started

833
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,390
S2: to come off for Mischa Barton on the show run.

834
00:37:29,390 --> 00:37:31,730
S2: So I think by the time the actual show finished proper,

835
00:37:31,730 --> 00:37:34,670
S2: no one was like had that great expectations for her.

836
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,670
S2: I think Adam Brody was the man that everyone was

837
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:40,400
S2: thinking was going to be the next big thing. And

838
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,980
S2: pretty soon after the show finished, he popped up in Mr.

839
00:37:42,980 --> 00:37:45,380
S2: and Mrs. Smith. Remember that with Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie?

840
00:37:45,380 --> 00:37:46,009
S2: He was also.

841
00:37:46,010 --> 00:37:47,270
S1: Directed by Doug Liman.

842
00:37:47,450 --> 00:37:49,279
S2: Yeah. What do you like the Doug Liman This.

843
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:50,029
S4: Is I like Doug.

844
00:37:50,030 --> 00:37:50,750
S1: Liman. He's a great.

845
00:37:50,750 --> 00:37:53,450
S2: Director. The fun facts are done. Okay. Won an episode.

846
00:37:53,630 --> 00:37:55,760
S2: But yeah, everyone I think, thought Adam Brody was going

847
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,950
S2: to be the guy and he kind of just didn't

848
00:37:57,950 --> 00:38:00,710
S2: kick on like, I don't know if we just like

849
00:38:00,710 --> 00:38:03,800
S2: maybe his. Yeah, that, that sarcastic, funny one liner thing

850
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,469
S2: became overdone and he kind of created a monster. And

851
00:38:06,469 --> 00:38:08,870
S2: then it was hard to stand out I don't know

852
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:11,690
S2: but and then Benjamin McKenzie has had also a very,

853
00:38:11,690 --> 00:38:14,360
S2: really strange career. Arguably, you could make the case he

854
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,360
S2: is the most successful one, which is really quite surprising.

855
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,750
S1: Yeah. So he's an expert in crypto, but not like

856
00:38:20,750 --> 00:38:23,150
S1: a crypto, bro. He's kind of the opposite. He's a guy.

857
00:38:23,150 --> 00:38:25,430
S1: He's written a book that's been released this year and

858
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:28,009
S1: he's testified in front of Congress about how much of

859
00:38:28,010 --> 00:38:31,460
S1: a house of cards like cryptocurrency is, which is really

860
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:32,360
S1: fucking weird.

861
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:35,000
S2: I know, like from Chino to Congress, who would have.

862
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,250
S3: Thought, Oh, that's another great line. Sorry. Now that you've

863
00:38:37,250 --> 00:38:37,790
S3: mentioned that.

864
00:38:38,660 --> 00:38:39,469
S4: Oh, Chino.

865
00:38:39,710 --> 00:38:41,989
S3: Chino. Yeah, that's a great line from somewhere in it.

866
00:38:42,410 --> 00:38:46,550
S1: And I mean Marissa, like, of course, the dizzying heights

867
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:50,540
S1: of the neighbors reboot on Amazon. Freevee Yes.

868
00:38:50,540 --> 00:38:53,299
S2: Well, all roads lead to Ramsay Street, don't they? And yeah,

869
00:38:53,300 --> 00:38:56,180
S2: she's had like, I mean, I think everyone's been across

870
00:38:56,180 --> 00:38:58,180
S2: what happened to Mischa Barton. She's had a few, like,

871
00:38:58,190 --> 00:39:01,190
S2: well-publicized breakdowns. And there was that video of her when

872
00:39:01,190 --> 00:39:02,750
S2: she was like, you know, backyard a few years ago,

873
00:39:02,750 --> 00:39:06,319
S2: like she's had obviously mental health issues and also I

874
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,719
S2: guess at the same time done some really strange things,

875
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,580
S2: like she did Dancing with the Stars in the US.

876
00:39:10,580 --> 00:39:14,270
S2: Then she actually like talk about fucking inception meta levels,

877
00:39:14,270 --> 00:39:17,690
S2: then she joined the hills I think the reality show.

878
00:39:17,690 --> 00:39:18,050
S4: Yeah.

879
00:39:18,050 --> 00:39:21,290
S3: Where she actually spoke out about the impact Perez Hilton's

880
00:39:21,290 --> 00:39:23,930
S3: website had on her during that period. I mean, I

881
00:39:23,930 --> 00:39:26,600
S3: think she was one of, you know, there's a many

882
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,570
S3: young women who rose to fame and had a kind

883
00:39:29,570 --> 00:39:33,050
S3: of similar trajectory to her from that period. And she

884
00:39:33,050 --> 00:39:33,950
S3: is another.

885
00:39:33,950 --> 00:39:36,770
S1: Yeah, because we as a society and the instrument media

886
00:39:36,770 --> 00:39:40,130
S1: in particular, just like destroyed them. Right. But I.

887
00:39:40,130 --> 00:39:42,440
S2: Still think yeah, even even like when you take into

888
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,839
S2: account how truly bizarre it is that Ryan Atwood is

889
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,660
S2: testifying in Congress about how much crypto is a scam,

890
00:39:47,660 --> 00:39:51,590
S2: it's still weirder that Marissa Cooper is going to be

891
00:39:51,590 --> 00:39:55,009
S2: like hanging out with Toadie and Dr. Karl being like, Oh.

892
00:39:55,010 --> 00:39:55,700
S4: My, I believe she's.

893
00:39:55,700 --> 00:39:57,920
S1: In Melbourne right now. I think she's in the same

894
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,540
S1: city that I'm in right now. It's very odd.

895
00:39:59,540 --> 00:40:00,500
S3: Very. Get her on the pod.

896
00:40:00,500 --> 00:40:00,860
S4: Yeah.

897
00:40:00,860 --> 00:40:01,520
S2: Friend of the pod.

898
00:40:01,850 --> 00:40:03,739
S1: Well, Benjamin McKenzie is coming on the pod. I haven't

899
00:40:03,739 --> 00:40:06,890
S1: told you guys this. Our colleague Elizabeth Fluxes interviewing him

900
00:40:06,890 --> 00:40:11,450
S1: about his book and hopefully we'll chuck some curveball questions

901
00:40:11,450 --> 00:40:12,080
S1: in there about.

902
00:40:12,380 --> 00:40:13,489
S4: That is amazing.

903
00:40:13,489 --> 00:40:15,380
S3: What do you what would you most want to ask

904
00:40:15,380 --> 00:40:16,770
S3: him about the OC?

905
00:40:17,420 --> 00:40:17,890
S4: Uh.

906
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,630
S2: I'd be really curious to hear about the pool house

907
00:40:21,630 --> 00:40:22,800
S2: to more about the pool.

908
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:23,730
S3: That's.

909
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:27,780
S2: I think I was. Okay. Firstly, like. I was always

910
00:40:27,780 --> 00:40:30,029
S2: obsessed with people that had pools growing up like I

911
00:40:30,030 --> 00:40:31,950
S2: wanted a pool. I never had a pool. I made

912
00:40:31,950 --> 00:40:34,590
S2: friends based exclusively on people who did have pools. And

913
00:40:34,590 --> 00:40:35,700
S2: so then to have a pool, Did.

914
00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:37,050
S3: You have like a concreted backyard? Yeah.

915
00:40:37,050 --> 00:40:38,310
S1: A whole house for your pool.

916
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,260
S2: Basically, yeah. I was like, not only do these people

917
00:40:40,260 --> 00:40:42,089
S2: have a pool, but they have a house to keep

918
00:40:42,090 --> 00:40:44,460
S2: their pool toys. That to me was fucking living.

919
00:40:44,460 --> 00:40:46,830
S3: I loved that scene where they're like in the inflatables

920
00:40:46,830 --> 00:40:48,720
S3: and it's like a summer day and they're just like,

921
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,640
S3: What are we going to do now, Dad? I was like,

922
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,259
S3: That is the dream. I know.

923
00:40:52,260 --> 00:40:52,740
S4: Yeah.

924
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,930
S2: It's like I never had that.

925
00:40:55,469 --> 00:40:57,180
S3: So you want to, but what do you.

926
00:40:57,180 --> 00:40:58,680
S4: Want to ask? You just want to be like, how

927
00:40:58,680 --> 00:40:59,880
S4: big was the pool house?

928
00:41:01,070 --> 00:41:02,730
S1: Did you did you actually get to swim in the

929
00:41:02,730 --> 00:41:04,469
S1: pool like when you were.

930
00:41:04,500 --> 00:41:05,070
S4: Do you have a.

931
00:41:05,070 --> 00:41:06,810
S3: Pool house now? Exactly.

932
00:41:06,810 --> 00:41:07,170
S4: Yeah.

933
00:41:07,410 --> 00:41:09,299
S2: How old are you? Really? Yeah.

934
00:41:09,950 --> 00:41:11,550
S3: Yeah, maybe. That's a good question.

935
00:41:11,550 --> 00:41:14,160
S1: I think it's hard to talk about The O.C. without

936
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,100
S1: talking about Gossip Girl, which is the teen show that

937
00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:19,200
S1: kind of picked up where the O.C. left off. It

938
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,260
S1: was also created by Josh Schwartz and Stephanie Savage, who

939
00:41:22,260 --> 00:41:24,690
S1: was one of the EP's on The O.C. I mean,

940
00:41:24,690 --> 00:41:27,719
S1: it is almost exactly the same show, but set in

941
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,900
S1: New York even to the extent that the characters are

942
00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:35,250
S1: kind of archetypes of the characters on The O.C. And

943
00:41:35,250 --> 00:41:37,319
S1: one of the weirdest little facts about all of this

944
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,549
S1: stuff is that Adam Brody ends up marrying Leighton Meester

945
00:41:41,550 --> 00:41:46,469
S1: from Gossip Girl, who plays basically the summer character. Right? Like,

946
00:41:46,469 --> 00:41:51,330
S1: it's so interesting and kind of wacky. The O.C., I think, like,

947
00:41:51,330 --> 00:41:53,660
S1: needed to happen for a show like Gossip Girl to

948
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:56,759
S1: really thrive. I really was a big Gossip Girl fan.

949
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,370
S1: I thought like it was a little bit darker than

950
00:41:59,370 --> 00:42:01,740
S1: The O.C. I also just think like by that time

951
00:42:01,739 --> 00:42:04,380
S1: I was 16, 17, 18, and it just made a

952
00:42:04,380 --> 00:42:07,080
S1: lot more sense to watch a show about kids sort

953
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,600
S1: of that age. Do you guys have a preference between

954
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,550
S1: the two? Do you see them as like a package

955
00:42:11,550 --> 00:42:14,310
S1: deal or. I actually don't know if you were into

956
00:42:14,310 --> 00:42:15,750
S1: Gossip Girl. I don't think I've spoken to you guys.

957
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:16,229
S4: About it before.

958
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:20,129
S3: I think I like Gossip Girl better as a show, though.

959
00:42:20,130 --> 00:42:22,410
S3: I think The O.C. probably had a greater impact on

960
00:42:22,410 --> 00:42:24,210
S3: me because of, as we were talking about before, when

961
00:42:24,210 --> 00:42:26,430
S3: I watched it in the kind of world it took

962
00:42:26,430 --> 00:42:28,530
S3: us into. But I think the Gossip Girl is better

963
00:42:28,530 --> 00:42:30,330
S3: as a show. I think it took what The O.C.

964
00:42:30,330 --> 00:42:33,600
S3: did and then it put it was on steroids, and

965
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,630
S3: it just lent in to the ridiculousness of The O.C.,

966
00:42:36,930 --> 00:42:38,400
S3: which I really liked. And I also think it was

967
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,890
S3: a bit more satirical, it was a bit more fun

968
00:42:40,890 --> 00:42:42,989
S3: to watch. And I do think it was a lot

969
00:42:42,989 --> 00:42:45,150
S3: more edgy. Like I think The O.C. was where he

970
00:42:45,150 --> 00:42:47,850
S3: trialed out his stuff and then it worked. So he

971
00:42:47,850 --> 00:42:49,290
S3: blew it up in a big way.

972
00:42:49,290 --> 00:42:50,880
S4: And I think.

973
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:52,050
S2: That's so wrong.

974
00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:53,280
S4: I think you're so wrong.

975
00:42:53,940 --> 00:42:54,480
S2: I think I think.

976
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,100
S1: You've just been saying no to yourself.

977
00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:57,060
S4: For the past few minutes.

978
00:42:58,110 --> 00:43:00,270
S2: But I do. I think, like Gossip Girl was even

979
00:43:00,270 --> 00:43:01,140
S2: more ridiculous than The.

980
00:43:01,140 --> 00:43:01,980
S4: O.C. I know, but.

981
00:43:01,980 --> 00:43:03,750
S3: I kind of liked that. I think it lent into

982
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:07,320
S3: its own ridiculousness, whereas The O.C. still had a level of, like,

983
00:43:07,650 --> 00:43:10,050
S3: seriousness about it, and it took itself quite seriously.

984
00:43:10,170 --> 00:43:12,180
S2: And I think made it a better show. I mean, yeah,

985
00:43:12,180 --> 00:43:14,190
S2: probably my view of The O.C. being the Better show

986
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,500
S2: is tainted by the fact that I watched it at

987
00:43:16,500 --> 00:43:17,730
S2: such an important time for me.

988
00:43:17,730 --> 00:43:19,890
S3: And there was a Seth character you could relate to in.

989
00:43:20,580 --> 00:43:21,330
S4: Yeah, but it was just.

990
00:43:21,330 --> 00:43:24,390
S2: Like a bit ridiculous and like, you know, the it

991
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:25,980
S2: is interesting though, because like when you we talked about

992
00:43:25,980 --> 00:43:27,989
S2: before how the O.C. was kind of like Pre-social media

993
00:43:27,989 --> 00:43:30,000
S2: and I read before like a thing. It was like

994
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,029
S2: in 2007, like when the show ended, only like 5000

995
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:34,710
S2: tweets were being used on Twitter a day. So like,

996
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:37,290
S2: social media didn't exist for shows like to people to

997
00:43:37,290 --> 00:43:39,779
S2: talk about and obsess over. But then obviously you get

998
00:43:39,780 --> 00:43:42,989
S2: to Gossip Girl and essentially like a social media platform

999
00:43:42,989 --> 00:43:44,609
S2: is at the heart of the show. You know, this

1000
00:43:44,610 --> 00:43:46,770
S2: Gossip Girl blog and everyone's reading it and on their

1001
00:43:46,770 --> 00:43:49,020
S2: smartphones and stuff. So it was very much like the

1002
00:43:49,020 --> 00:43:51,839
S2: next iteration. But I just like I liked it and

1003
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,730
S2: I watched it, but I always thought it was a

1004
00:43:53,730 --> 00:43:56,970
S2: bit more outlandish and that like took away from it.

1005
00:43:56,969 --> 00:44:00,570
S2: And again, like The O.C., I couldn't like I couldn't

1006
00:44:00,570 --> 00:44:03,630
S2: see my life exactly like theirs, but like, definitely not

1007
00:44:03,630 --> 00:44:05,070
S2: in Gossip Girl like this.

1008
00:44:05,070 --> 00:44:07,230
S3: Like, I've just realized there's no pool house. Yeah.

1009
00:44:07,290 --> 00:44:10,680
S1: The scale of the wealth in Gossip Girl was. Was

1010
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,320
S1: kind of unimaginable. It was just like the 1% rather

1011
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,810
S1: than just, like, kind of upper middle class people in

1012
00:44:15,810 --> 00:44:16,379
S1: the O.C..

1013
00:44:16,380 --> 00:44:18,540
S2: Yeah, like we did know people that kind of like

1014
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,710
S2: the Coopers and stuff. Like growing up with, like, you know,

1015
00:44:20,730 --> 00:44:23,580
S2: rich people with massive houses in the Sutherland Shire or whatever,

1016
00:44:23,580 --> 00:44:25,770
S2: or wherever you came from. There was always like the

1017
00:44:25,770 --> 00:44:27,600
S2: wealthy bit of your suburb, but like I didn't know

1018
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,260
S2: fucking Chuck Bass, the 17 year old billionaire who was like,

1019
00:44:31,260 --> 00:44:34,260
S2: you know, throwing masquerade balls and like, it's just like they.

1020
00:44:34,260 --> 00:44:36,150
S3: Also had quite a few fashion shows and Gossip Girl,

1021
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:36,570
S3: didn't they?

1022
00:44:36,570 --> 00:44:37,029
S4: Yeah, yeah.

1023
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:38,580
S3: That continued on.

1024
00:44:38,580 --> 00:44:41,280
S1: It's interesting to think about these sort of different eras

1025
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,040
S1: of these kinds of shows. So there's the Melrose, none

1026
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,340
S1: of to know, sort of pre O.C. era and then

1027
00:44:47,340 --> 00:44:49,980
S1: The O.C. sort of paves the way I think we've

1028
00:44:49,980 --> 00:44:52,020
S1: talked about The O.C., obviously, but also I think shows

1029
00:44:52,020 --> 00:44:55,169
S1: like Skins and Veronica mars, which were teen shows that

1030
00:44:55,170 --> 00:44:57,750
S1: talked about sex and drugs and were a bit grittier.

1031
00:44:57,750 --> 00:45:01,200
S1: But then I think like post Gossip Girl, things got

1032
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,250
S1: even more grim. Like you have euphoria. You have a

1033
00:45:05,250 --> 00:45:07,800
S1: show like Riverdale, which I don't know if you guys watch,

1034
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,440
S1: but it was actually pretty interesting like it. It didn't

1035
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,410
S1: get great reviews for its first season, but it also

1036
00:45:13,410 --> 00:45:16,860
S1: became like very meta and self-referential. It was very dark.

1037
00:45:16,860 --> 00:45:19,650
S1: It was about like a murder mystery and all these

1038
00:45:19,650 --> 00:45:22,620
S1: kind of fantastical elements to it as well. I sort

1039
00:45:22,620 --> 00:45:26,460
S1: of see The O.C. and Gossip Girl to a lesser extent.

1040
00:45:26,460 --> 00:45:29,310
S1: Being sort of sandwiched on one hand, to borrow from

1041
00:45:29,310 --> 00:45:31,950
S1: Sandy Cohen, like nine over 11 and the war on terror.

1042
00:45:31,950 --> 00:45:34,319
S1: But on the other hand, and I think more importantly,

1043
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,880
S1: the global financial crisis. Right? I think like in 2007, 2009,

1044
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,370
S1: things changed a lot. Our idea of like what it

1045
00:45:41,370 --> 00:45:44,490
S1: meant to watch wealth on screen was quite different. I

1046
00:45:44,489 --> 00:45:46,860
S1: think you could get away with a show that was

1047
00:45:46,860 --> 00:45:49,200
S1: just glamorous and glitzy and you kind of wanted to

1048
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,560
S1: be like those people. But after that it just felt

1049
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,470
S1: much more grotesque and it was much harder to watch.

1050
00:45:55,469 --> 00:45:59,070
S1: Very rich people live extravagant lives without having a lot

1051
00:45:59,070 --> 00:46:02,340
S1: of themes about how evil and terrible they were all

1052
00:46:02,340 --> 00:46:04,350
S1: the time. I feel like it was almost a unique

1053
00:46:04,350 --> 00:46:06,540
S1: little window for society.

1054
00:46:06,540 --> 00:46:09,060
S2: And that's why The O.C. gave us succession.

1055
00:46:09,630 --> 00:46:11,100
S1: Wow. Mel's face.

1056
00:46:12,690 --> 00:46:14,279
S4: You can't say this must you Watch. But Mel had

1057
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:15,060
S4: a visceral reaction.

1058
00:46:15,060 --> 00:46:16,920
S2: I've actually finally blown mine.

1059
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:18,660
S3: I was like, Hang on, I need to I need

1060
00:46:18,660 --> 00:46:21,000
S3: to think about that a bit more. I'm actually pretty smart.

1061
00:46:22,980 --> 00:46:23,610
S16: Yeah.

1062
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:25,230
S4: Sorry.

1063
00:46:26,370 --> 00:46:27,750
S2: No, but I think. I think it is true. Like

1064
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:30,600
S2: it really did change the way we watch like, wealth

1065
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,160
S2: on screen. And it is funny that you talk about

1066
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:33,960
S2: skins and Skins was another really big one, I think,

1067
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,450
S2: for our demographic. And I always I definitely saw more

1068
00:46:36,450 --> 00:46:40,110
S2: of myself and my friends in Skins like that level

1069
00:46:40,110 --> 00:46:41,489
S2: of like teenage hood.

1070
00:46:41,489 --> 00:46:43,200
S1: Yeah, Skins is the O.C. If it was, like, just

1071
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:44,660
S1: set in. Chino basically.

1072
00:46:44,670 --> 00:46:45,810
S2: Yeah, exactly.

1073
00:46:46,110 --> 00:46:49,170
S3: Yeah. I we were also talking about and had another

1074
00:46:49,170 --> 00:46:52,710
S3: great pilot episode, Friday Night Lights, that came not that

1075
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:53,350
S3: long after.

1076
00:46:53,710 --> 00:46:55,680
S1: We got to mention that. Yeah, one of the best

1077
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:56,400
S1: teen shows that.

1078
00:46:56,460 --> 00:46:58,560
S3: Yeah, absolutely I think and you know one that always

1079
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,230
S3: stands out for me but again was before the OC

1080
00:47:01,260 --> 00:47:04,560
S3: Freaks and Geeks. You love freaking Love Freaks and Geeks.

1081
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,900
S3: And I'm so sad that that got cancelled so quickly.

1082
00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:08,610
S2: But I think like Friday Night Lights is a great

1083
00:47:08,610 --> 00:47:10,950
S2: shout because that again, similar thing like that was a

1084
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:12,780
S2: small town that was probably a lot more similar to

1085
00:47:12,780 --> 00:47:14,760
S2: small towns that people that mostly grew up in that

1086
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,250
S2: were watching these shows. And it had like all the

1087
00:47:17,250 --> 00:47:19,230
S2: levels from the people that were really poor to like

1088
00:47:19,230 --> 00:47:21,090
S2: the people that were quite well off and own car

1089
00:47:21,090 --> 00:47:23,130
S2: dealerships and stuff. And then then you like set it

1090
00:47:23,130 --> 00:47:25,589
S2: in this microcosm of a high school and the football

1091
00:47:25,590 --> 00:47:27,810
S2: team and all the hierarchy that you get. And yeah,

1092
00:47:27,810 --> 00:47:29,850
S2: but I don't know. And again, it's so hard not

1093
00:47:29,850 --> 00:47:32,430
S2: to have this bias based on like how important something

1094
00:47:32,430 --> 00:47:34,080
S2: was to you when you watched it. But like, I

1095
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,229
S2: still like, I'm not a big fan of euphoria. I

1096
00:47:37,230 --> 00:47:41,070
S2: haven't really watched Riverdale, but it's like, can't we have

1097
00:47:41,070 --> 00:47:44,580
S2: teen shows that are just meant to be like for teens? Like,

1098
00:47:44,580 --> 00:47:46,680
S2: you know, Euphoria is a show that I think tries

1099
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,589
S2: really hard to be something other than what it is.

1100
00:47:49,590 --> 00:47:51,569
S2: And it's a shame that we don't have a show

1101
00:47:51,570 --> 00:47:53,759
S2: that's like, Here you go, here's 30 episodes and you'll

1102
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,580
S2: be so invested in the 500 storylines this season, and

1103
00:47:56,580 --> 00:47:58,440
S2: a million different things will happen. Everyone will break up

1104
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,719
S2: and get back together and and then we'll come back

1105
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:01,890
S2: next year and do it all over again.

1106
00:48:01,890 --> 00:48:04,260
S3: But maybe we're those critics that are missing the impact

1107
00:48:04,260 --> 00:48:05,820
S3: the shows now have.

1108
00:48:05,820 --> 00:48:07,950
S1: Yeah. I was going to say, like, I think we

1109
00:48:07,950 --> 00:48:11,700
S1: certainly don't have the 30 episode runs, but shows like

1110
00:48:11,700 --> 00:48:14,370
S1: Never Have I Ever. This summer I turn pretty out

1111
00:48:14,370 --> 00:48:17,700
S1: of banks. I've not seen any of those shows except

1112
00:48:17,700 --> 00:48:20,100
S1: like the first seasons of Never Have I Ever. But

1113
00:48:20,100 --> 00:48:22,980
S1: I think kids like them. But I. But I also.

1114
00:48:22,980 --> 00:48:24,540
S1: I kind of hear what you're saying, Thomas and that

1115
00:48:24,540 --> 00:48:28,020
S1: they're all kind of very overwrought. Like there's a lot

1116
00:48:28,020 --> 00:48:29,640
S1: going on. It's like you have to have a kid show,

1117
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,980
S1: but it has to be like the first kid show

1118
00:48:31,980 --> 00:48:34,530
S1: to feature someone from this ethnicity, like living their life.

1119
00:48:34,530 --> 00:48:36,899
S1: And it has to grapple with a lot of themes

1120
00:48:36,900 --> 00:48:39,930
S1: to make it worthwhile. In this prestige era of television.

1121
00:48:39,930 --> 00:48:41,580
S1: I feel like we've said this a couple of times

1122
00:48:41,580 --> 00:48:43,260
S1: when we were talking about the bear as well. Just

1123
00:48:43,260 --> 00:48:45,509
S1: bring back shows where we can live in this universe

1124
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:49,469
S1: for half of the year and just watch characters that

1125
00:48:49,469 --> 00:48:53,250
S1: we enjoy, do stuff like that. Is something really missing

1126
00:48:53,250 --> 00:48:54,330
S1: from television, I think?

1127
00:48:54,450 --> 00:48:57,000
S3: Yeah. And I do wonder, even though, yes, I think

1128
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,310
S3: these shows are having an impact. Pretty Little Liars 13

1129
00:48:59,310 --> 00:49:02,489
S3: Reasons why Other ones to add to the list. Like

1130
00:49:02,489 --> 00:49:06,390
S3: I don't know if the context will ever be enough

1131
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:09,270
S3: to create an oak moment for another generation or I

1132
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:11,220
S3: wonder if it will be like because of a number

1133
00:49:11,219 --> 00:49:13,830
S3: of things, appointment viewing is not so much of a

1134
00:49:13,830 --> 00:49:17,490
S3: thing anymore. There's such a wealth of content that you're

1135
00:49:17,489 --> 00:49:19,980
S3: probably more likely to identify with the show you're watching

1136
00:49:19,980 --> 00:49:23,190
S3: rather than the character in the show. Like, I wonder,

1137
00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:24,870
S3: I don't know if there will be a thing that

1138
00:49:25,170 --> 00:49:28,379
S3: the generation below us kind of like at this shared

1139
00:49:28,380 --> 00:49:30,360
S3: communal experience of watching something.

1140
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,270
S2: Yeah, I think you're probably right. I think, you know,

1141
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,529
S2: like something like Euphoria is probably the closest to I

1142
00:49:34,530 --> 00:49:37,710
S2: know people are really get really hyped for that. But yeah,

1143
00:49:37,710 --> 00:49:39,839
S2: like I think actually the closest thing I would say

1144
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,090
S2: that captures the same energy and I just watched the

1145
00:49:42,090 --> 00:49:45,220
S2: first three episodes of the second season is Heart Stoppers,

1146
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,270
S2: if you like that. That's like a Netflix show that

1147
00:49:48,270 --> 00:49:51,900
S2: both captures the the beauty and innocence of that period,

1148
00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:54,570
S2: but also allows itself to be like it's a TV

1149
00:49:54,570 --> 00:49:56,250
S2: show for you to watch and enjoy and escape into.

1150
00:49:56,250 --> 00:49:58,560
S2: Like it's not going to make you like it's not

1151
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,680
S2: going to like stuff that A24 realism and like make

1152
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,980
S2: you feel like disheveled and uncomfortable. But oh, it's so great.

1153
00:50:04,980 --> 00:50:07,050
S2: It's just like it's a good escapist watch, but it

1154
00:50:07,050 --> 00:50:09,510
S2: is still great TV, which is essentially what The O.C.

1155
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:12,930
S2: was like forever. California. California.

1156
00:50:16,430 --> 00:50:18,410
S1: I don't think there is a better way to wrap

1157
00:50:18,410 --> 00:50:19,340
S1: up this episode.

1158
00:50:19,940 --> 00:50:20,600
S4: You don't.

1159
00:50:20,900 --> 00:50:24,800
S1: Than with that gang. That was great. Thanks so much.

1160
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,830
S1: I'm definitely going to continue my OC rewatch. I think

1161
00:50:27,830 --> 00:50:30,590
S1: after getting sucked into the to the first episode, maybe

1162
00:50:30,590 --> 00:50:32,719
S1: we should. Maybe we should do bring back the succession

1163
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,899
S1: energy and just do episodes for the next four years.

1164
00:50:36,770 --> 00:50:37,370
S4: Every episode.

1165
00:50:37,370 --> 00:50:37,950
S1: Of The O.C..

1166
00:50:37,969 --> 00:50:40,700
S2: Once Seth and someone start like dating and then they

1167
00:50:40,700 --> 00:50:41,839
S2: do the Spider-Man kiss.

1168
00:50:41,930 --> 00:50:44,360
S3: Maybe we could campaign for nine to redeem itself and

1169
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,060
S3: bring it back on. To bring it back onto the channel. Yeah.

1170
00:50:47,060 --> 00:50:48,440
S2: From its one mistake.

1171
00:50:48,620 --> 00:50:50,930
S1: It is on Stan. Right. Which is. It is on.

1172
00:50:51,410 --> 00:50:51,770
S4: That's true.

1173
00:50:51,770 --> 00:50:53,420
S1: So that is it's sort of ironic that's where it

1174
00:50:53,420 --> 00:50:54,140
S1: ended up after.

1175
00:50:54,140 --> 00:50:55,700
S4: Nine the back.

1176
00:50:55,700 --> 00:50:59,450
S1: 20 years ago. Thomas and Mel, thank you so much.

1177
00:50:59,450 --> 00:51:00,710
S4: Thank you. Thank you.

1178
00:51:05,110 --> 00:51:08,710
S1: This episode of The Drop was produced by Cheong. If

1179
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:11,259
S1: you enjoyed listening to today's episode of The Drop, make

1180
00:51:11,260 --> 00:51:14,260
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1181
00:51:14,260 --> 00:51:17,440
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1182
00:51:17,469 --> 00:51:19,689
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