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S1: this on Wednesday morning. Taylor Swift, The focus of today's

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S1: we're expecting that the start of the year, but also

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S1: literally minutes ago before we sat down to record the WGA,

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S2: I've always wanted to be a part of breaking news.

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S2: It is weird. So, Mel, like for the listeners, Mel

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S3: I feel like this always shocks people that I'm super

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S1: I feel like that applies to the three of us, right?

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S3: No, not not yet. But I was thinking because I

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S3: Okay. Travis. Kelsey. Now, how deep do you want me

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S3: Okay, great. Well, let's let's let's go back a bit

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S3: Yeah yeah.

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S3: Cleary's Yeah and they have an off sider which is

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S3: Not great, not great. But I mean he's got fans.

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S2: I can't believe we're on Aaron Rodgers now. Yeah who

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S3: But really the real quarterback star is Patrick Mahomes. Now,

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S3: He's lovely. Seems like a great guy, all American. He

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S1: It's a hilarious name for a position in a sport.

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S2: Wait, wait till we get to talking about his reality show.

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S2: The first episode was called 50 Girls, one Tight End.

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S1: That can't be real. Is that real?

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S3: I really feel there is so much potential for Taylor lyrics.

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S3: Like on NFL jargon, it's going to be great.

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S1: So is tight end like a dummy half like is

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S1: Okay. So that is why Bill Belichick said he's made

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S3: Such a good line.

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S2: But wait, so there are plenty of good tight ends

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S2: out there. But why? Like, you know, he's obviously risen

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S2: And he's like in popular culture, even before Taylor Swift.

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S2: So like, how did that come to be?

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S3: It's the partnership, really. I think it's the dynamic between

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S1: That's really nice. That's sweet. Like a nice, cool partnership

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S3: And he is huge. But really, Patrick Mahomes is like

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S3: But yeah, as you mentioned, he has kind of he's

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S3: Yeah, transcending kind of the field. But I will say,

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S1: Can I ask you another question, Mel, about the Kelsey

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S3: Yeah. So his brother Jason plays for the Eagles. And

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S1: So there's two brothers. The Kelsey brothers are going head

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S3: Yeah, it's kind of like we were saying. Well, it

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S2: I'm just trying to keep localizing this content for our listeners.

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S1: And Taylor Swift has historically been an Eagles fan. From

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S3: Yeah, but we know Taylor believes in love. And love

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S1: That's a great explanation.

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S2: That's a good explanation.

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S3: You know what upsets me is I did much better

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S2: Yeah, but because it's clearly your real joy.

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S1: So that's Travis Kelce. We all obviously know who Taylor

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S1: clearly something had been going on in the background before

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S2: Well, yeah, and this is why I think we'll get

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S2: don't I just think like I can I can see

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S2: a fame fuck a million miles. I'm like, Olivia, Rodrigo, man,

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S3: Famously, she didn't see him a million miles away anyway.

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S2: But then I did see so like, maybe 4 or

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S2: which probably hasn't aged that well as a game anyway,

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S2: Travis Kelsey was was playing this and I think it

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S3: Your your mentor and.

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S2: Yeah and some some other pop star and this is

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S1: Ariana Grande.

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S2: I think Ariana Grande. Yeah. And he chose to kiss

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S2: Taylor I think so. Obviously the Internet sleuths, having moved

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S2: her for a while And then I think was it

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S2: like earlier this year he went to one of Taylor's concerts,

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S1: He went to Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City where she

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S2: So. So she was playing at his home ground. Yeah.

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S2: And he made he kind of like went on to

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S2: sounds like something I'd rather remove my own foot, then

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S2: listen to. And he, he basically retold this story about

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S1: And this is the thing that is happening at Taylor

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S2: Yeah, right. That does make it less creepy. And I

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S2: the story in the podcast. Like, unfortunately he didn't get

451
00:20:29,090 --> 00:20:31,580
S2: the opportunity to because she doesn't speak to people because

452
00:20:31,580 --> 00:20:33,050
S2: she got to save her voice. And but yeah, I

453
00:20:33,050 --> 00:20:34,280
S2: guess that was the first time he like went on

454
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,739
S2: record and was like, I'm vibing Taylor Swift. Like, put

455
00:20:36,740 --> 00:20:38,060
S2: it out, you know, that whole like put it out

456
00:20:38,060 --> 00:20:39,200
S2: into the universe and see what happened.

457
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:40,520
S3: And then there was a bit of a challenge too.

458
00:20:40,550 --> 00:20:42,140
S3: Wasn't that way. It was like I saw you pull

459
00:20:42,140 --> 00:20:43,790
S3: a crowd at the stadium, come and watch me pull

460
00:20:43,790 --> 00:20:44,929
S3: the crowd at the stadium.

461
00:20:44,930 --> 00:20:46,940
S2: Yeah. And then kind of like a little bit of

462
00:20:46,940 --> 00:20:51,540
S2: time passes and. I guess, like there's rumors that they're

463
00:20:51,540 --> 00:20:54,510
S2: like quietly hanging out, I think, which, you know, like

464
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,879
S2: when it comes to press language, you really have to

465
00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,859
S2: read between the lines. And this is why I think

466
00:20:58,859 --> 00:21:00,270
S2: and again, we'll get to this later, I think this

467
00:21:00,270 --> 00:21:03,270
S2: is all bullshit, manufactured, staged. I think when it comes

468
00:21:03,270 --> 00:21:05,340
S2: to like press language, you have to really read between

469
00:21:05,340 --> 00:21:07,170
S2: the lines. And I think quietly hanging out is like

470
00:21:07,170 --> 00:21:09,270
S2: code for probably not.

471
00:21:10,190 --> 00:21:11,090
S11: Kissing.

472
00:21:11,090 --> 00:21:13,100
S2: Like, I don't. I don't reckon this is a vibe

473
00:21:13,100 --> 00:21:13,490
S2: at all.

474
00:21:13,490 --> 00:21:16,760
S3: Anyway, that's what you read quietly, hanging out. It's not kissing.

475
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:17,330
S3: I just don't.

476
00:21:17,330 --> 00:21:20,389
S2: Reckon. Anyway, we'll get to it. He basically. Then I

477
00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:22,760
S2: think fast forward a few, a few weeks later, he

478
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,129
S2: then he had a beard. You can probably. I mean,

479
00:21:25,130 --> 00:21:27,260
S2: what are the posters on your wall. What's he got.

480
00:21:27,470 --> 00:21:30,400
S3: Yeah. He had a beard which he reduced to a mustache.

481
00:21:30,410 --> 00:21:32,300
S2: And on his podcast his brother, I think kind of

482
00:21:32,690 --> 00:21:34,220
S2: was like, oh, Taylor will probably like that. And he

483
00:21:34,220 --> 00:21:36,410
S2: was like, We'll have to wait and see. And then

484
00:21:36,410 --> 00:21:38,390
S2: then came the rumors that they were quietly hanging out.

485
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:40,610
S2: And I guess, you know, over the past few days,

486
00:21:40,609 --> 00:21:43,490
S2: we've seen the big, you know, confirmation Taylor in the

487
00:21:43,490 --> 00:21:46,280
S2: players box. So I guess that's the abridged version of

488
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:47,510
S2: how they came to be.

489
00:21:57,450 --> 00:22:00,000
S1: And then there was also this kind of like captured

490
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,810
S1: footage from a fan of them leaving the stadium or

491
00:22:02,820 --> 00:22:06,330
S1: leaving the game together. So what you've kind of got

492
00:22:06,330 --> 00:22:10,500
S1: from these two extremely, extremely good explanations from you guys

493
00:22:10,500 --> 00:22:13,530
S1: is the story of like why people care at Travis Kelsey,

494
00:22:13,530 --> 00:22:16,350
S1: the story of how him and Taylor seemed to be

495
00:22:16,350 --> 00:22:18,209
S1: playing this kind of long game, or at least he

496
00:22:18,210 --> 00:22:19,830
S1: seemed to have been playing this kind of long game,

497
00:22:19,830 --> 00:22:22,920
S1: culminating in this, like, real world meetup that we all

498
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:28,379
S1: saw fueling rumors of a relationship. Now, I said at

499
00:22:28,380 --> 00:22:30,960
S1: the start of this, I do find this a weird

500
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,270
S1: thing to talk about, right? Like we don't our job,

501
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:36,119
S1: even though we cover pop culture and celebrity and all

502
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,670
S1: these sorts of things, our job is not to like

503
00:22:38,910 --> 00:22:42,120
S1: gossip about who people are dating or who people are

504
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,480
S1: hooking up with. That has been a big part of

505
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,250
S1: like this. Like a lot of the tabloids who've covered

506
00:22:47,250 --> 00:22:50,490
S1: this have said things like, well, this confirms that Taylor

507
00:22:50,490 --> 00:22:53,879
S1: is dating Travis Kelce. I don't think it does. And

508
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,250
S1: I think there's a lot of interesting stuff going on

509
00:22:56,250 --> 00:23:00,600
S1: here without needing to get into the specifics of whether

510
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,950
S1: they are in a romantic relationship or not. I also,

511
00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:08,250
S1: for the record, I'm with you, Thomas. Like this feels

512
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:15,090
S1: like a manufactured friendship or a manufactured kind of partnership

513
00:23:15,090 --> 00:23:20,340
S1: between this very famous sports person who was building a

514
00:23:20,340 --> 00:23:24,450
S1: media empire and this very famous music person who was

515
00:23:24,450 --> 00:23:28,800
S1: building a media empire. And the NFL is not like

516
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,680
S1: the basketball in the sense that it doesn't cross over

517
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,189
S1: with like music and entertainment as much except for like

518
00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:38,159
S1: outside the Super Bowl halftime show. So it is very

519
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,100
S1: mutually beneficial for these two worlds to be brought together

520
00:23:41,100 --> 00:23:43,709
S1: in this way. And, you know, maybe it's not surprising

521
00:23:43,710 --> 00:23:46,680
S1: that the most obvious takes are, Oh my God, has

522
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,870
S1: Taylor got a new boyfriend? Because that has been the

523
00:23:48,869 --> 00:23:50,700
S1: way the media has written about Taylor Swift for like

524
00:23:50,700 --> 00:23:54,180
S1: 20 years now. But it just doesn't seem like that's

525
00:23:54,180 --> 00:23:56,190
S1: the case. And it seems like if they were willing

526
00:23:56,190 --> 00:23:58,620
S1: to be photographed together and they're willing to like have

527
00:23:58,619 --> 00:24:02,370
S1: this public relationship, they would just make it more clear

528
00:24:02,369 --> 00:24:04,800
S1: that they were dating. That seems to be. That's my

529
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,119
S1: read on it at least.

530
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,970
S3: Yeah. And I also well, firstly, as you were saying,

531
00:24:08,970 --> 00:24:13,530
S3: there is that audiences probably don't cross over much. Like

532
00:24:13,530 --> 00:24:16,320
S3: obviously there would be Taylor Swift fans among NFL fans,

533
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,439
S3: me being one of them. But if you look at

534
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,320
S3: a Taylor Swift concert, it's not the same people that

535
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,320
S3: you see going to the NFL and vice versa predominantly.

536
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,830
S3: So there is kind of commercial aim there. But also

537
00:24:28,830 --> 00:24:31,800
S3: I think Taylor is maybe having a lot of fun

538
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,139
S3: with the media at the moment. I think she's playing

539
00:24:34,140 --> 00:24:37,440
S3: a lot of games. She seems very in control of

540
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,290
S3: her own narrative in a way that I think she

541
00:24:40,290 --> 00:24:42,030
S3: has tried to be in the past, but she really

542
00:24:42,030 --> 00:24:44,129
S3: is now. So it kind of feels like this is

543
00:24:44,130 --> 00:24:46,080
S3: very tongue in cheek for Taylor. And it's also part

544
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,659
S3: of her public presentation as being I'm my own boss

545
00:24:48,660 --> 00:24:49,430
S3: now because.

546
00:24:49,619 --> 00:24:52,560
S2: I think the same I think it's all a bit

547
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,199
S2: like there is a mutual beneficial thing going on. And

548
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,120
S2: it's like even the fact that they drove off from

549
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,250
S2: the stadium in a fucking convertible like it was and.

550
00:24:59,250 --> 00:25:02,520
S3: She had she was wearing the Chiefs jump around her waist.

551
00:25:02,850 --> 00:25:03,930
S3: She had a weird watching.

552
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:07,910
S2: Are we watching like the. 2023 version of Love Story

553
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,740
S2: Film Clip. Update It's all very weird, but I guess

554
00:25:10,740 --> 00:25:13,170
S2: the question playing devil's advocate, even though I agree, is

555
00:25:13,170 --> 00:25:16,830
S2: that like what I see? What's in it for Travis Kelce? Like,

556
00:25:16,830 --> 00:25:20,070
S2: you know, he's clearly been working in this background on

557
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:21,600
S2: his media career, and this is like the best thing

558
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,459
S2: that's ever happened to him. But what's in it for

559
00:25:23,460 --> 00:25:26,400
S2: Taylor Swift? Like, she doesn't she doesn't really need more audience.

560
00:25:26,790 --> 00:25:29,730
S1: Okay. I reckon my immediate answer to that is so yeah,

561
00:25:29,730 --> 00:25:33,540
S1: she sold out her eras tour around the world on

562
00:25:33,540 --> 00:25:35,909
S1: the 13th of October. As we mentioned, the start of

563
00:25:35,910 --> 00:25:38,879
S1: the show, the film version of that is about to

564
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,369
S1: be released. A lot of people who go and see

565
00:25:41,369 --> 00:25:44,490
S1: that will be Taylor Swift fans who either miss out

566
00:25:44,490 --> 00:25:46,350
S1: on tickets or who saw the show but want to

567
00:25:46,350 --> 00:25:48,810
S1: go see it in a cinema for that full, glorious

568
00:25:48,810 --> 00:25:52,860
S1: cinematic experience. But also like, you know, every day. Cornfed

569
00:25:52,859 --> 00:25:56,340
S1: Middle America is like an audience for that. And that

570
00:25:56,340 --> 00:25:59,489
S1: comes out in two weeks time. NFL fans who may

571
00:25:59,490 --> 00:26:01,109
S1: be like didn't really pay a lot of attention to

572
00:26:01,109 --> 00:26:05,610
S1: Taylor are now perhaps doing so. And what better way

573
00:26:05,609 --> 00:26:08,040
S1: to find out more in terms of what the fuss

574
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,560
S1: is about than spend 20 bucks on a ticket to

575
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,350
S1: go see, you know, the eras tour in the cinema.

576
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,800
S1: I understand that that sounds like extremely cynical that Taylor

577
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,040
S1: Swift is just doing this to sell tickets to the

578
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,110
S1: era kind of cinema thing. I don't know if it's

579
00:26:22,109 --> 00:26:25,470
S1: just that I think like she's partway through a very

580
00:26:25,470 --> 00:26:29,370
S1: long journey in terms of becoming the most dominant cultural

581
00:26:29,369 --> 00:26:33,270
S1: force in the world, and an alliance with the NFL

582
00:26:33,270 --> 00:26:35,550
S1: and NFL fans helps her get there. But I think

583
00:26:35,550 --> 00:26:38,670
S1: the most immediate benefit I think, is manifested in that

584
00:26:38,670 --> 00:26:40,140
S1: in that era of cinema show.

585
00:26:40,140 --> 00:26:41,900
S2: Yeah. And I do think what you were saying, Mel,

586
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,940
S2: is kind of right. Like even the the whole Sophie

587
00:26:44,940 --> 00:26:48,240
S2: Turner thing last week was very like Taylor is someone

588
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,800
S2: who spends a lot of time in the public eye,

589
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,330
S2: and if she didn't want to be seen, she would

590
00:26:51,330 --> 00:26:53,310
S2: know where to go, to not be seen and how

591
00:26:53,310 --> 00:26:56,280
S2: to facilitate that. And that was like such a public

592
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,270
S2: spectacle and like respect. I thought it was hilarious.

593
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:00,900
S1: Can you just walk us through that, Thomas, for people

594
00:27:00,900 --> 00:27:04,290
S1: who might not understand the significance of that interaction?

595
00:27:04,290 --> 00:27:07,050
S2: Yeah. So Joe Jonas and Sophie Turner broke up because

596
00:27:07,050 --> 00:27:11,399
S2: Joe Jonas is dating both of his brothers now. And so.

597
00:27:11,490 --> 00:27:13,439
S1: Second week in a row, you've made a Jonas Brothers.

598
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,990
S2: Incestuous. It's a fucking gift. It keeps on giving. But yeah.

599
00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:17,820
S2: So Joe Jonas and Sophie Turner have broken up. The

600
00:27:17,820 --> 00:27:20,220
S2: split has turned bad, and there's lots of kind of like,

601
00:27:20,580 --> 00:27:22,860
S2: I guess, mum shaming going on around Sophie Turner in

602
00:27:22,859 --> 00:27:25,200
S2: the narrative that Joe Jonas pushing out was that she

603
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,690
S2: was too busy, like living it up to parents, blah blah, blah.

604
00:27:27,690 --> 00:27:32,969
S2: There's been like a public backlash to that. And obviously

605
00:27:32,970 --> 00:27:35,400
S2: Joe Jonas and Taylor Swift once upon a time were

606
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,859
S2: an item. And then last week in New York, I

607
00:27:37,859 --> 00:27:41,640
S2: think it was Taylor Swift and Sophie Turner were spotted

608
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,330
S2: at a restaurant like sitting basically in the window, having

609
00:27:45,330 --> 00:27:47,669
S2: a very animated conversation over dinner and drinks. And then

610
00:27:47,670 --> 00:27:49,500
S2: they left together, like hand in hand. It was the

611
00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:52,590
S2: biggest like the girls are on Here vibe. And it

612
00:27:52,590 --> 00:27:54,330
S2: was great and people kind of loved it. And it

613
00:27:54,330 --> 00:27:56,129
S2: was a very yeah, it was a very big public

614
00:27:56,130 --> 00:27:57,659
S2: moment for Taylor. And then Taylor is.

615
00:27:57,660 --> 00:27:59,610
S3: Very about like her public image is very much about

616
00:27:59,609 --> 00:28:03,540
S3: being for the, for the girls and after her and

617
00:28:03,540 --> 00:28:04,350
S3: Joe Alwyn boy do.

618
00:28:04,350 --> 00:28:05,070
S1: The girlies love.

619
00:28:05,070 --> 00:28:09,570
S3: It. They did love it after her and her partner

620
00:28:09,570 --> 00:28:12,479
S3: of six or so years split up and there was

621
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,400
S3: a lot of attention on her. I feel like it's

622
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,550
S3: a very deliberate statement to then take Sophie Turner out

623
00:28:17,550 --> 00:28:20,100
S3: for a night on town about women supporting other women

624
00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:22,350
S3: in this kind of world that is very quick to

625
00:28:22,350 --> 00:28:24,720
S3: judge women and their relationships. Yeah, she's.

626
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,570
S2: Really out there at a time when should she not

627
00:28:27,570 --> 00:28:29,340
S2: want to be that she could make that decision. So

628
00:28:29,580 --> 00:28:31,260
S2: it feels like perhaps it's pointed.

629
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,270
S1: Yeah. And I think the other part of probably what's

630
00:28:33,270 --> 00:28:35,880
S1: going on in terms of like why it feels like

631
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,390
S1: there's such a rush of Taylor Swift doing things stories

632
00:28:39,390 --> 00:28:43,560
S1: right from Matty Healy stuff to Sophie Turner to to this.

633
00:28:43,950 --> 00:28:46,890
S1: My kind of little theory on this is Taylor has

634
00:28:46,890 --> 00:28:49,290
S1: spent a large part of her career. In fact, most

635
00:28:49,290 --> 00:28:52,530
S1: of her career training her fans and her audience to

636
00:28:52,530 --> 00:28:56,850
S1: have this, like, deeply parasocial relationship with her, like the

637
00:28:56,850 --> 00:29:01,050
S1: Easter eggs and songs, the way she teases real things

638
00:29:01,050 --> 00:29:04,270
S1: that have happened. You know the all too well ten

639
00:29:04,270 --> 00:29:07,500
S1: minute version, the scarf, like all of this stuff, her

640
00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:11,040
S1: fans live and die on every tiny little thing that

641
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,030
S1: she does. And it certainly helped her a lot. Right?

642
00:29:15,030 --> 00:29:18,630
S1: It helped her develop a very close relationship with millions

643
00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:21,210
S1: and millions and millions of people who bought her records,

644
00:29:21,210 --> 00:29:24,030
S1: who defended her online, who her stand army, who went

645
00:29:24,030 --> 00:29:26,310
S1: to her shows, traveled around the world, all that sort

646
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:29,640
S1: of stuff. I wonder whether now in her early to

647
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,870
S1: mid 30s, after having done that to get to this stage,

648
00:29:33,870 --> 00:29:36,990
S1: she now wants to break away from that. Being a

649
00:29:36,990 --> 00:29:40,470
S1: celebrity is very tough. It's very annoying, it's very stressful.

650
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:43,320
S1: Everyone monitors every tiny little thing that you do. It's

651
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,900
S1: very hard to just live a normal life. If she

652
00:29:45,900 --> 00:29:49,470
S1: was setting out to break that nexus between her and

653
00:29:49,470 --> 00:29:52,920
S1: her fans, not sort of like seeking to alienate them totally,

654
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,660
S1: but to have them maybe take a bit of a

655
00:29:54,660 --> 00:29:56,790
S1: step back and let her live a life, what better

656
00:29:56,790 --> 00:30:00,450
S1: way than by basically flooding the zone, to quote Steve

657
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,570
S1: Bannon and saying, you know, I will be seen with

658
00:30:03,570 --> 00:30:05,750
S1: Matty Healy. Maybe we're dating, maybe we're not. I. Will

659
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:07,760
S1: step out with Sophie Turner. I will go to this

660
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,330
S1: Kansas City Chiefs games because why not? And you can't

661
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,210
S1: turn every little thing that I do if I do

662
00:30:14,210 --> 00:30:17,180
S1: so many of them into a big narrative about what

663
00:30:17,180 --> 00:30:19,670
S1: phase of life I'm in and what sort of woman

664
00:30:19,670 --> 00:30:22,010
S1: I want to be, I kind of think she may

665
00:30:22,010 --> 00:30:26,300
S1: be trying to signal to us the wider public as

666
00:30:26,300 --> 00:30:28,280
S1: well as her fans, that she's just going to do

667
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,770
S1: whatever she wants to do now. And it's not healthy

668
00:30:30,770 --> 00:30:34,550
S1: anymore to pass every tiny little thing she does through

669
00:30:34,550 --> 00:30:36,470
S1: this layer of like, what does this mean in the

670
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:39,140
S1: grand cosmic scheme of Taylor Swift?

671
00:30:39,170 --> 00:30:41,750
S3: I think that's completely true. And she speaks about this

672
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:45,979
S3: in her documentary as well, about the pressure she felt

673
00:30:45,980 --> 00:30:48,320
S3: as a young woman. You know, she entered the industry

674
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,720
S3: very young and she entered in country music, which has

675
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:51,590
S3: quite kind.

676
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:52,730
S2: Of abilities that.

677
00:30:53,030 --> 00:30:56,780
S3: Yeah, a lot of NFL fans, which has quite kind of,

678
00:30:56,780 --> 00:31:01,430
S3: I guess, rigid requirements for its figureheads. And she speaks

679
00:31:01,430 --> 00:31:03,320
S3: in the documentary about the pressure she felt to be

680
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,050
S3: a certain kind of pop star. And I think young

681
00:31:06,050 --> 00:31:09,320
S3: people generally feel that pressure to behave in a certain way.

682
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,510
S3: But as she's gotten into her 30s, it feels like

683
00:31:11,510 --> 00:31:14,120
S3: she's kind of really come into herself publicly in a

684
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,580
S3: way she wasn't before. And I think also doubling onto

685
00:31:16,580 --> 00:31:19,490
S3: the NFL, there was heaps of clips around of her

686
00:31:19,490 --> 00:31:22,910
S3: at the VMAs just having the best time, like singing

687
00:31:22,940 --> 00:31:24,470
S3: to Shakira, looking.

688
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:26,780
S1: Like she was really good, like public. Klepper Yeah, she.

689
00:31:26,780 --> 00:31:29,090
S3: Was like just having a blast. And I kind of

690
00:31:29,090 --> 00:31:31,730
S3: feel like she would have known the cameras were on

691
00:31:31,730 --> 00:31:34,880
S3: her the entire time, like both the the show's cameras,

692
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,920
S3: but also everyone around to and it was just like

693
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,180
S3: she didn't care. So I do I agree with you

694
00:31:39,180 --> 00:31:41,870
S3: was I think she's an icon and now she's like,

695
00:31:41,870 --> 00:31:43,730
S3: well I'm going to do iconic things.

696
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,420
S1: Do you think going back to the NFL kind of

697
00:31:47,420 --> 00:31:49,340
S1: tie in with all this? And I think I think

698
00:31:49,340 --> 00:31:51,860
S1: it's sort of hard in a way as an Australian

699
00:31:51,860 --> 00:31:55,430
S1: to still wrap our heads around what this actually means. Like,

700
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:57,620
S1: I think even if we understand NFL and I kind

701
00:31:57,620 --> 00:31:59,600
S1: of do and I've watched the Super Bowl and whatever,

702
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,020
S1: but like the NFL is a cultural institution, what that

703
00:32:03,020 --> 00:32:05,900
S1: means is quite really, it doesn't seem to be like

704
00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:07,550
S1: a one for one in Australia.

705
00:32:07,570 --> 00:32:09,560
S2: Right? I'm sorry, but the biggest moment in sport is

706
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,160
S2: coming this Sunday on the Nine Network. Like I mean

707
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,810
S2: it's the NRL Grand Final Broncos Panthers 1V2, Reece Walsh

708
00:32:17,810 --> 00:32:20,450
S2: versus Ivan Cleary Taylor will probably be there.

709
00:32:21,980 --> 00:32:25,310
S1: I've got mixed feelings about that. Like I, I my

710
00:32:25,310 --> 00:32:28,880
S1: sympathies to Penrith and certainly not to any Queensland team

711
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,300
S1: in the NRL. But Adam Reynolds, my guy, you know,

712
00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:35,030
S1: and Penrith have won so much and it's like, is

713
00:32:35,030 --> 00:32:36,560
S1: it great for a team to win that much?

714
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,410
S2: Yeah, I want the Dynasty dynasty to be over. But no,

715
00:32:39,410 --> 00:32:41,209
S2: what you're saying is true. It's hard to make a

716
00:32:41,210 --> 00:32:43,490
S2: like for like comparison. Like we have, you know, the

717
00:32:43,490 --> 00:32:43,850
S2: state of.

718
00:32:43,850 --> 00:32:45,080
S1: Origin back to the topic.

719
00:32:45,380 --> 00:32:47,600
S2: Which is the state of origin, which is like the

720
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,660
S2: spectacle or even like, you know, a Collingwood Hawthorn grand

721
00:32:50,660 --> 00:32:52,760
S2: final at the MCG with 100,000 people. Like it still

722
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,060
S2: doesn't compare to like the insane spectacle that is like

723
00:32:56,060 --> 00:32:58,790
S2: the Super Bowl or the like the way Americans do

724
00:32:58,790 --> 00:33:01,850
S2: and like ingest and live sports is like very unique

725
00:33:01,850 --> 00:33:02,210
S2: to them.

726
00:33:02,210 --> 00:33:04,850
S3: And Super Bowl is the biggest of them all in America.

727
00:33:04,850 --> 00:33:07,910
S3: Like more than 100 million people tune in to watch the.

728
00:33:07,910 --> 00:33:09,830
S2: Super like also just to keep in a full frame

729
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:12,290
S2: of reference, it compares nothing to like the FIFA World Cup.

730
00:33:12,290 --> 00:33:14,100
S1: But for America, it's very big. And I guess this

731
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,640
S1: this is the question that was building to before we

732
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,890
S1: had to talk about the NRL grand final versus.

733
00:33:19,370 --> 00:33:21,290
S2: 750 kickoff on nine Network.

734
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,360
S3: Are you like on the are you on the panel?

735
00:33:23,870 --> 00:33:24,500
S2: I'm hoping to be.

736
00:33:25,790 --> 00:33:29,750
S1: The question, if I can ask it is has there

737
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:33,880
S1: been a tie up between two figures from kind of

738
00:33:33,890 --> 00:33:38,860
S1: different worlds? That has come close to this Taylor Swift,

739
00:33:38,860 --> 00:33:42,280
S1: Travis Kelce NFL thing. There is one that I can

740
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,530
S1: think of, but I want to ask you guys first

741
00:33:44,530 --> 00:33:46,420
S1: before I shout it out.

742
00:33:47,310 --> 00:33:48,450
S12: Look, I'd.

743
00:33:48,450 --> 00:33:52,560
S3: Maybe I would say Kim Kardashian and Kanye West. That

744
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:52,800
S3: was the.

745
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:53,430
S1: One that was going to.

746
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:54,960
S13: Say. I thought.

747
00:33:55,140 --> 00:33:56,880
S2: Oh, yeah, right. Okay. I was just going to say, like,

748
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,800
S2: obviously Beck and Light and Hewitt.

749
00:33:59,780 --> 00:34:03,620
S13: Okay. I mean. Yes. How are you saying in sport? Yeah.

750
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:05,960
S1: No. True. Okay. Okay. True in.

751
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:06,410
S13: Sport.

752
00:34:06,590 --> 00:34:09,560
S1: And in Australia. Yes. I don't think anyone outside of

753
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,450
S1: Australia knows who becciu it is.

754
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,430
S2: Okay, well, that's not fair because I don't think.

755
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:14,390
S13: She had like it.

756
00:34:14,930 --> 00:34:19,819
S2: No, I'll give you a legit one. So Sergio Busquets

757
00:34:19,820 --> 00:34:22,370
S2: is captain of Barcelona and he was married to Shakira.

758
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,890
S2: They actually got divorced last year, but he's like this

759
00:34:24,890 --> 00:34:27,140
S2: massive star in world football. She's like one of the

760
00:34:27,140 --> 00:34:30,770
S2: biggest Latino like, stars of all time. That was like

761
00:34:30,770 --> 00:34:34,430
S2: a proper crossover in the world of football and like, entertainment.

762
00:34:34,580 --> 00:34:36,469
S2: And they were like the superstar couple.

763
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,270
S3: Posh and David Beckham while we're on. Yeah, I.

764
00:34:38,270 --> 00:34:40,850
S1: Was going to say Posh and Becks is probably one

765
00:34:40,850 --> 00:34:43,910
S1: of the all time like sporting music culture tie ups.

766
00:34:43,910 --> 00:34:46,700
S1: But I think. Yeah, it's sort of interesting cause you're

767
00:34:46,700 --> 00:34:49,190
S1: right that football is like, globally so much bigger than

768
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:53,060
S1: anything else. But given how dominant America is in terms

769
00:34:53,060 --> 00:34:57,080
S1: of the production and reproduction of like, culture. I still

770
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:01,040
S1: feel like those things didn't have the ramifications downstream that

771
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,490
S1: like something like the Kim and Kanye thing did that

772
00:35:04,489 --> 00:35:08,850
S1: felt so of different worlds and then became a unified thing.

773
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:11,750
S1: Of course, the big caveat and all of this is

774
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:14,870
S1: like the Taylor Travis thing, if it is what we think,

775
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:16,759
S1: which is like maybe their friends and it's a bit

776
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,810
S1: of fun, it's probably unlikely to lead to any new

777
00:35:20,810 --> 00:35:23,630
S1: kind of cultural product that we're all obsessed with. Like

778
00:35:23,630 --> 00:35:26,630
S1: Taylor Swift is probably not going to release a Travis

779
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:30,529
S1: Kelce or NFL inspired like, album. I don't know if

780
00:35:30,530 --> 00:35:34,040
S1: the Kansas City Chiefs will rename themselves the Kansas City

781
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,230
S1: like Swifties.

782
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,440
S2: Well, I'm guessing like if if we're spitballing. Taylor hasn't

783
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:40,819
S2: done a half time show yet, has she?

784
00:35:40,940 --> 00:35:41,570
S3: No, she's not.

785
00:35:41,570 --> 00:35:42,380
S13: And I famously.

786
00:35:42,380 --> 00:35:43,160
S2: Turned them down a few times.

787
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:43,910
S13: Hasn't she? Would have said this.

788
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:46,069
S3: Would have been the perfect launch announcement. But they have

789
00:35:46,070 --> 00:35:48,410
S3: just launched that Usher shirt is.

790
00:35:48,410 --> 00:35:49,150
S13: Going to be that launched.

791
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,300
S2: Usher, which is like.

792
00:35:50,300 --> 00:35:52,009
S3: What's your favorite Usher song while we're on it?

793
00:35:53,060 --> 00:35:53,960
S2: Probably Confessions part.

794
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:54,730
S13: Two. Yeah, but the.

795
00:35:54,830 --> 00:35:58,570
S2: The like launching Usher is that's a that's a bad launch.

796
00:35:58,580 --> 00:35:59,810
S2: That's not an exciting launch.

797
00:35:59,820 --> 00:36:01,340
S1: Yeah. Like, no, it's not exciting.

798
00:36:01,489 --> 00:36:03,020
S2: Like, you know, the last few years I've at least

799
00:36:03,020 --> 00:36:05,510
S2: had some like Usher is not.

800
00:36:05,530 --> 00:36:05,930
S13: I also feel.

801
00:36:05,930 --> 00:36:08,210
S3: That they did that throwback halftime show where they had.

802
00:36:08,210 --> 00:36:08,880
S13: A lot of that.

803
00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:11,839
S2: Was like fucking like Dr. Dre, Eminem, Snoop Dogg. The

804
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,510
S2: game with Kendrick like that was, you know, that was

805
00:36:14,510 --> 00:36:17,569
S2: mad like Usher. He's got like three good songs, like, anyway,

806
00:36:17,570 --> 00:36:19,969
S2: so maybe the NFL this is like a really long

807
00:36:19,969 --> 00:36:22,310
S2: game from them to get Taylor next year. But the

808
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:26,240
S2: thing is given that we discussed earlier that it appears

809
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:30,020
S2: Travis has been kind of like courting this or manifesting

810
00:36:30,020 --> 00:36:32,810
S2: this for some time. This is my fear about the

811
00:36:32,810 --> 00:36:36,560
S2: whole thing. He is legit because he's legit in trying

812
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,160
S2: to pursue her, but his intentions are impure, whereas I

813
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,440
S2: think maybe she's just having fun. But I reckon I.

814
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,180
S3: Think he was just being tongue in cheek on his

815
00:36:44,180 --> 00:36:47,390
S3: podcast the same way You're like, Call me Katy Perry.

816
00:36:47,390 --> 00:36:49,460
S3: Like if Katy Perry and you then met up, no

817
00:36:49,460 --> 00:36:52,640
S3: one would be like he's been calling her for for weeks.

818
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,680
S3: I think Travis was just speaking off the cuff and

819
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,839
S3: it got picked up and blown up and then they're

820
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,310
S3: both having a bit of fun with it. You think

821
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:59,390
S3: he legitimately.

822
00:36:59,420 --> 00:36:59,840
S13: Do we need to.

823
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,940
S2: Get to his weird dating show? You basically created a

824
00:37:01,940 --> 00:37:04,460
S2: version of The Bachelor for himself to star in. It

825
00:37:04,460 --> 00:37:06,860
S2: was called Catching Kelsey. It was in 2016. It was

826
00:37:06,860 --> 00:37:10,850
S2: on E! And basically yeah the logline is American football

827
00:37:10,850 --> 00:37:13,279
S2: player Travis Kelce is known for catching passes as a

828
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,100
S2: tight end. As a pro football star and eligible bachelor.

829
00:37:16,100 --> 00:37:18,770
S2: Kelsey is quite the catch himself in the Dating competition

830
00:37:18,770 --> 00:37:22,310
S2: series Catching Kelsey. 50 women from 50 states vital in

831
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:23,450
S2: the heart of a pro football player.

832
00:37:23,810 --> 00:37:25,460
S1: Yeah, and it does. The more I think about this,

833
00:37:25,460 --> 00:37:26,870
S1: the more I talk to you guys about this, the

834
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:30,380
S1: more it seems like he is the massive beneficiary. Like

835
00:37:30,380 --> 00:37:34,220
S1: being associated with Taylor Swift is such a fucking massive

836
00:37:34,219 --> 00:37:37,820
S1: boon for him. I really don't understand what she gets

837
00:37:37,820 --> 00:37:39,860
S1: out of it other than what we're talking about for

838
00:37:39,860 --> 00:37:43,250
S1: maybe like boosting sales to her show. And that's what

839
00:37:43,250 --> 00:37:44,870
S1: it brings me back to. Just like maybe she wanted

840
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:46,310
S1: to go to a football game and have some fun

841
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:48,920
S1: and that's a valid thing for her to want to do.

842
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,770
S2: But again, I think being the master of the public narrative,

843
00:37:51,770 --> 00:37:55,189
S2: going with someone's mom, especially in like, you know, the

844
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:59,360
S2: Midwest of America and like that's that says something that's true.

845
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,250
S3: But it is the family box and the mom is

846
00:38:01,250 --> 00:38:03,739
S3: usually there as well. So maybe it wasn't like they

847
00:38:03,739 --> 00:38:04,940
S3: planned it together.

848
00:38:05,180 --> 00:38:05,790
S13: Yeah, but it's.

849
00:38:06,170 --> 00:38:06,799
S2: She's aware of the.

850
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,120
S13: Optics. Yeah, for sure.

851
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:13,400
S1: So this NFL thing, like it's like Taylor capping off

852
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,570
S1: what has been one of her most commercially and critically

853
00:38:17,570 --> 00:38:21,140
S1: and culturally successful years which really says a lot considering

854
00:38:21,140 --> 00:38:24,770
S1: that basically since she first started recording music, she has

855
00:38:24,770 --> 00:38:29,240
S1: been one of the biggest cultural icons in the world.

856
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,180
S1: She didn't need this as like a feather in a cap,

857
00:38:32,180 --> 00:38:34,069
S1: but I think it's worked out quite well for her.

858
00:38:34,190 --> 00:38:39,500
S1: I honestly like I've had mixed history with Taylor in

859
00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:39,920
S1: the past.

860
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,630
S3: I Are you reading between the lines here?

861
00:38:41,630 --> 00:38:44,060
S2: I am, yeah. They've been quite quietly mixed.

862
00:38:45,530 --> 00:38:50,660
S1: I was I was sort of late ish to really. Well, ladies, like,

863
00:38:50,660 --> 00:38:53,090
S1: I guess we'll start with the 2009 VMAs, right? Like,

864
00:38:53,090 --> 00:38:57,530
S1: that was my first real cultural moment with Taylor. And

865
00:38:57,530 --> 00:39:00,260
S1: at that stage, I was like, not on her side.

866
00:39:00,260 --> 00:39:05,600
S1: I was on Beyonce's side because Kanye was objectively right.

867
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,649
S1: And I'm like, Well, why would I root for the

868
00:39:09,770 --> 00:39:13,490
S1: white country girl over the black woman from the South

869
00:39:13,489 --> 00:39:17,359
S1: who has just like, completely reinvented pop music and changed

870
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:22,520
S1: the world? Was there a bit of like latent misogyny

871
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,370
S1: in terms of me buying into that narrative? Probably. I

872
00:39:25,370 --> 00:39:27,560
S1: was like 18, you know, like let a man live.

873
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:33,080
S3: And I think that's not really that's not really a defense.

874
00:39:33,890 --> 00:39:36,230
S1: Okay. When you were 18, you had like perfect political

875
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:36,739
S1: views on.

876
00:39:36,739 --> 00:39:38,940
S13: Like, I mean, she probably women in music.

877
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:40,310
S3: Let a man live that.

878
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:41,330
S13: I that.

879
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:41,990
S3: That I took.

880
00:39:41,989 --> 00:39:42,620
S13: Exception to.

881
00:39:42,650 --> 00:39:44,150
S1: I'm out here being honest with my.

882
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:44,930
S13: Thoughts sorry this.

883
00:39:44,930 --> 00:39:47,840
S1: Is a I'm risking cancellation talking about this and I

884
00:39:48,140 --> 00:39:50,750
S1: took me a couple years probably to get over that.

885
00:39:50,900 --> 00:39:53,120
S1: The narrative of Taylor being so tied up with that

886
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,129
S1: VMAs award. And then eventually I did get over it. I'm. Okay.

887
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:59,150
S1: This music's actually really good. It's really interesting. It makes sense.

888
00:39:59,150 --> 00:40:03,140
S1: She finds a really smart way to reinvent herself, album

889
00:40:03,140 --> 00:40:05,810
S1: to album, and has just, you know, become Taylor Swift.

890
00:40:05,810 --> 00:40:09,860
S1: Obviously the Eras tour. I'm like, What else could she do?

891
00:40:09,860 --> 00:40:13,310
S1: I've just like, did not expect this to become such

892
00:40:13,310 --> 00:40:16,820
S1: a big part of the cultural conversation this year. Did

893
00:40:16,820 --> 00:40:17,660
S1: you guys see this coming?

894
00:40:17,900 --> 00:40:19,759
S3: No, not to the extent that it has been. I mean,

895
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,800
S3: I almost feel like I've seen the whole Eras tour

896
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,580
S3: because the TikTok coverage and kind of the the TikTok

897
00:40:25,580 --> 00:40:28,489
S3: culture around this tour is so insane and so creative

898
00:40:28,489 --> 00:40:30,270
S3: and fun. Did you guys get tickets?

899
00:40:30,290 --> 00:40:33,469
S2: No. I'm still hoping that perhaps we can pull some strings.

900
00:40:33,469 --> 00:40:35,150
S2: But I was very like.

901
00:40:35,150 --> 00:40:37,299
S13: I felt we were in the office, winds up in

902
00:40:37,340 --> 00:40:38,360
S13: the ticket buying.

903
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,469
S2: Mania. Yeah, like someone always has to play this role,

904
00:40:42,469 --> 00:40:44,839
S2: I guess. And it's Taylor for the last, like 5

905
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,140
S2: to 5 years she's been, she's been the the one

906
00:40:48,140 --> 00:40:51,560
S2: and yeah, I really like her. I mean obviously I

907
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,870
S2: feel like my relationship to her is tainted by her

908
00:40:53,870 --> 00:40:57,109
S2: relationship to John Mayer. And obviously, I mean, it's good

909
00:40:57,110 --> 00:40:59,060
S2: to get my one John Mayer mention it. Every podcast

910
00:40:59,060 --> 00:41:03,350
S2: ticked off. But you know, like, yeah, I've always been,

911
00:41:03,350 --> 00:41:05,650
S2: I think, curious as to the way she does like

912
00:41:05,660 --> 00:41:07,790
S2: play the game as well. You said before the Easter

913
00:41:07,790 --> 00:41:11,300
S2: eggs and the way she cultivates this fandom and like

914
00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:13,069
S2: there's this girl that went to my high school and

915
00:41:13,070 --> 00:41:14,569
S2: like obviously I follow her on Instagram and she's like

916
00:41:14,570 --> 00:41:17,600
S2: a mad swiftie and like, you know, like, like we're

917
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,670
S2: adults and stuff. But she's like really super into it.

918
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:22,370
S2: And I just like, so that's kind of my I

919
00:41:22,370 --> 00:41:23,780
S2: get a glimpse into what it's actually.

920
00:41:23,780 --> 00:41:25,520
S3: Like, what kind of content.

921
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:27,920
S2: She she like goes like. So she went to America

922
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,930
S2: and did like a Swift's tour of like you can

923
00:41:29,930 --> 00:41:31,580
S2: go and pay into and she goes to like every

924
00:41:31,580 --> 00:41:35,480
S2: concert and she followed her around the states and like

925
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,850
S2: and this is like a 30 something year old woman

926
00:41:37,850 --> 00:41:41,600
S2: and like, which I respect, but it's crazy, you know,

927
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,830
S2: like that She inspires this level of fandom. And yeah,

928
00:41:45,830 --> 00:41:48,050
S2: I found that I think the most curious thing about

929
00:41:48,050 --> 00:41:50,870
S2: her and, and I guess now she's at this new

930
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:54,200
S2: level where, like, every single thing she does is picked

931
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,320
S2: apart and yeah, like, she's, she's kind of the person

932
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,360
S2: dominating the cultural conversation now.

933
00:41:59,360 --> 00:41:59,720
S13: Yeah.

934
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,150
S3: I mean, I feel like the cultural context was ripe

935
00:42:02,150 --> 00:42:04,940
S3: to create a Taylor Swift. As we've talked about before,

936
00:42:04,940 --> 00:42:06,800
S3: we're having a reckoning at the moment about how we

937
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,760
S3: treated pop stars of the early 2000s in the late 1990s,

938
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,270
S3: particularly with figures like Britney Spears and just female celebrities

939
00:42:14,270 --> 00:42:16,280
S3: in general from that period. So we're having a reckoning

940
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,370
S3: about that. As I was saying in the Olivia Rodrigo

941
00:42:19,730 --> 00:42:24,680
S3: podcast as well, we've kind of long ignored female creative outputs,

942
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,100
S3: particularly pop stars. And so we're kind of revisiting that

943
00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:30,140
S3: and trying to correct that. So I just feel like

944
00:42:30,140 --> 00:42:32,960
S3: all these things have aligned for Taylor Swift to kind

945
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,150
S3: of have her moment, and she couldn't have existed apart

946
00:42:35,150 --> 00:42:35,870
S3: from now.

947
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,720
S1: I also missed out on tickets to the show. I mean,

948
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,259
S1: I thought it was stressful enough reporting on it, let

949
00:42:42,260 --> 00:42:45,170
S1: alone trying to buy them. I in the same boat

950
00:42:45,170 --> 00:42:47,930
S1: as like Anthony Albanese, who I think said something like, No,

951
00:42:47,930 --> 00:42:49,730
S1: I'm just going to wait for a phone call. Someone

952
00:42:49,730 --> 00:42:52,010
S1: will sort me out. So fingers crossed that happen.

953
00:42:52,010 --> 00:42:52,440
S13: I know, but.

954
00:42:52,460 --> 00:42:54,710
S3: I feel like you guys will get sorted out. But

955
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:55,400
S3: I'm well.

956
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,860
S1: I was going to say, should we all go see

957
00:42:57,860 --> 00:42:58,730
S1: the era's.

958
00:42:58,730 --> 00:42:59,660
S13: Film? Yeah, I think.

959
00:42:59,660 --> 00:43:00,410
S1: That that could be fun.

960
00:43:00,410 --> 00:43:01,069
S13: That would be fun.

961
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,520
S1: I think that this movie is going to be very, very,

962
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,620
S1: very big. I think what is really interesting about it

963
00:43:06,620 --> 00:43:08,960
S1: is she doesn't have a distributor. From what I understand,

964
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,689
S1: she's sort of like made it in-house and has done

965
00:43:11,690 --> 00:43:15,110
S1: deals with cinema companies individually. So she will make an

966
00:43:15,110 --> 00:43:17,120
S1: enormous cut of the money on this. I think that's

967
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,060
S1: another huge part to the Taylor Swift stories, the way

968
00:43:20,060 --> 00:43:23,810
S1: that she is done. All of this now outside of

969
00:43:23,810 --> 00:43:27,080
S1: the traditional ecosystems of how labels and musicians are supposed

970
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,990
S1: to operate. I think this probably won't end up being

971
00:43:29,989 --> 00:43:32,870
S1: as big as Bobbie, but I think on opening day

972
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:35,719
S1: and maybe even opening week, there will be a lot

973
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,530
S1: of Chelsea fans in movie theaters dressed up with friendship bracelets.

974
00:43:39,530 --> 00:43:41,690
S1: I'm not sure everyone has kind of realized that yet.

975
00:43:41,690 --> 00:43:45,049
S1: I think this announcement has just happened. The Bobby hype

976
00:43:45,050 --> 00:43:47,330
S1: took a few weeks to build up. I'm just calling

977
00:43:47,330 --> 00:43:48,560
S1: it now. I think this is going to be one

978
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,260
S1: of the biggest movie events of the year. I think

979
00:43:51,260 --> 00:43:54,320
S1: the interesting thing is Taylor Swift fans who've got tickets

980
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,690
S1: to see the show in Australia in February, will they

981
00:43:56,690 --> 00:43:59,240
S1: want to see an on screen or will they want

982
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,300
S1: to wait and see? My guess is, like you said, Mel,

983
00:44:01,310 --> 00:44:03,830
S1: you've seen the whole thing anyway on social media. Why

984
00:44:03,830 --> 00:44:05,600
S1: not pay a bit of money, see the full cinematic

985
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,669
S1: experience and then go see the actual show?

986
00:44:07,730 --> 00:44:09,739
S2: Because 90% of people going to the shows like Taylor

987
00:44:09,739 --> 00:44:12,500
S2: will be a tiny ant like like, you know, unless

988
00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:15,710
S2: you paid like $5,000 for the, you know, like whatever

989
00:44:15,710 --> 00:44:17,570
S2: it is, like Swifty super swift, unless.

990
00:44:17,570 --> 00:44:19,450
S1: You're the prime minister or something.

991
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:20,180
S13: Yeah. And.

992
00:44:20,690 --> 00:44:23,299
S3: And apparently it doesn't cover the whole set either. Like

993
00:44:23,300 --> 00:44:24,890
S3: it's part of the sense, but it's kind of like,

994
00:44:24,890 --> 00:44:28,580
S3: I mean, I think of Beyonce at Coachella, another amazing

995
00:44:28,580 --> 00:44:31,489
S3: concert film. Like there's watching it is one thing and

996
00:44:31,489 --> 00:44:33,259
S3: then going to see it is another. I don't think

997
00:44:33,260 --> 00:44:37,130
S3: they will cannibalize their audience by the people going to

998
00:44:37,130 --> 00:44:38,839
S3: the live show. I think they'll definitely still go see

999
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:39,440
S3: the movie.

1000
00:44:39,770 --> 00:44:42,259
S2: I did think it was important to get your guy's

1001
00:44:42,260 --> 00:44:44,359
S2: opinion on the two, kind of like couple nicknames that

1002
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,810
S2: are doing the rounds. So we've got trailer or we've

1003
00:44:47,810 --> 00:44:48,490
S2: got swell.

1004
00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:50,120
S3: See, Trailer is pretty fun.

1005
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:57,299
S1: Trailer feels really like. Grim. Like. Like trailer trash? Yeah.

1006
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,900
S2: Yeah. It feels like it's open for horses.

1007
00:45:00,930 --> 00:45:01,410
S1: Fun.

1008
00:45:01,620 --> 00:45:02,460
S2: It seems fun. Yeah.

1009
00:45:02,940 --> 00:45:05,219
S1: Very coastal, Very beachy. Salty. Yeah.

1010
00:45:05,550 --> 00:45:06,050
S14: Lift.

1011
00:45:07,170 --> 00:45:07,600
S2: Get out.

1012
00:45:08,290 --> 00:45:09,970
S3: I'm going to work on that. I'm going to brainstorm that.

1013
00:45:09,969 --> 00:45:11,440
S2: But yes, I guess we'll see what happens. The interesting

1014
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,180
S2: thing will be like, I don't know, You can probably

1015
00:45:13,180 --> 00:45:14,980
S2: tell me whenever the next Kansas City Chiefs game is,

1016
00:45:14,980 --> 00:45:16,630
S2: but like, will she be there? Like I think she's

1017
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:18,580
S2: got to go back on tour in November to back

1018
00:45:18,580 --> 00:45:20,950
S2: in Argentina or whatever. So like, I don't know if

1019
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:22,480
S2: she's going to be like a regular at these games.

1020
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:23,230
S13: Now, that's.

1021
00:45:23,230 --> 00:45:25,360
S3: A good question. Let us put our bets in. I

1022
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:26,470
S3: don't think she will be there.

1023
00:45:26,650 --> 00:45:29,080
S2: No, because like, you know, you can't capture that moment again.

1024
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,120
S1: Yeah. Yeah. I think this NFL thing is going to

1025
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:32,380
S1: be a bit of a flash in the pan kind

1026
00:45:32,380 --> 00:45:32,920
S1: of a thing.

1027
00:45:33,460 --> 00:45:35,560
S3: How would you feel if they were in love? And

1028
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,780
S3: it turned out that hanging out meant like.

1029
00:45:38,110 --> 00:45:39,580
S1: Oh yeah, my favorite segment on the show where we

1030
00:45:39,580 --> 00:45:41,830
S1: asked Thomas how he feels about celebrity pairings.

1031
00:45:41,830 --> 00:45:43,629
S2: I also loved before you specifically were like, We don't

1032
00:45:43,630 --> 00:45:45,850
S2: really tend to gossip. I'm like, Man, I gossiped exclusively

1033
00:45:45,850 --> 00:45:47,890
S2: on this podcast about Timothy and Kylie.

1034
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,070
S1: But that was confirmed, right? That's the difference. I think

1035
00:45:51,070 --> 00:45:54,549
S1: talking about something going on versus like the rumor around

1036
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:55,390
S1: who someone's hooking up.

1037
00:45:55,390 --> 00:45:58,810
S2: With, I think, I think I would feel fine about it.

1038
00:45:58,810 --> 00:46:01,240
S2: Like he is a big departure from her, if you

1039
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:02,919
S2: look at because like I said before, she has this

1040
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:07,330
S2: like long list of like kind of like again, sad

1041
00:46:07,330 --> 00:46:10,719
S2: British men who presumably just like mope around, like she's

1042
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:17,530
S2: been with Harry Styles, Joe Alwyn, Matty Healy. Tom Hiddleston Like,

1043
00:46:17,530 --> 00:46:19,509
S2: you know, these are all kind of from the same,

1044
00:46:20,050 --> 00:46:23,140
S2: you know, polite British cloth, whereas this guy is like

1045
00:46:23,410 --> 00:46:26,530
S2: he is a beefcake. He's like got his big brother

1046
00:46:26,530 --> 00:46:28,240
S2: and his mom and he's got a moustache and he

1047
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,070
S2: drives a convertible and he's like, Feel like.

1048
00:46:30,070 --> 00:46:32,200
S3: You're just saying this in a, like in a.

1049
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,410
S13: Certain tone that then makes it. Well, there's a big.

1050
00:46:35,410 --> 00:46:36,739
S1: Guy with a convertible.

1051
00:46:37,900 --> 00:46:39,910
S13: Okay. I'm sorry. You put Travis Kelce.

1052
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:43,629
S2: Next to fucking Matty Healy. And, like, you know, these

1053
00:46:43,630 --> 00:46:45,489
S2: are not the same men I find.

1054
00:46:45,489 --> 00:46:47,560
S1: I find this thing. So, like, I guess we are

1055
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,200
S1: doing this now. Let's. Let's keep it brief, like the conjecture.

1056
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,270
S1: But I think the other bit of this that I

1057
00:46:52,270 --> 00:46:55,480
S1: found so bewildering when everyone lost their minds is if

1058
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,580
S1: she is hanging out with this guy or she's dating

1059
00:46:57,580 --> 00:47:00,610
S1: this guy, is it shocking that Taylor Swift is dating

1060
00:47:00,610 --> 00:47:04,090
S1: like another all American like bloke like to me? Not

1061
00:47:04,090 --> 00:47:05,770
S1: at all. More shocking to me if she ends up

1062
00:47:05,770 --> 00:47:09,250
S1: dating Travis Scott, right? Or like a black basketball player,

1063
00:47:09,250 --> 00:47:13,870
S1: like tales of dating a famous American man who is

1064
00:47:13,870 --> 00:47:18,100
S1: white and, like, kind of boring. Feels like not a

1065
00:47:18,100 --> 00:47:19,930
S1: big surprise, to be honest. Yes. No, I.

1066
00:47:19,930 --> 00:47:22,680
S2: Agree. I would love if she started dating Travis Scott. Look,

1067
00:47:22,690 --> 00:47:24,940
S2: just for that. Can you imagine the car? Imagine. Imagine

1068
00:47:24,940 --> 00:47:25,930
S2: the fucking the.

1069
00:47:26,420 --> 00:47:27,460
S13: Meltdown meeting at.

1070
00:47:27,469 --> 00:47:30,760
S2: Like, at HQ. Yeah. No, totally agree.

1071
00:47:30,940 --> 00:47:34,420
S1: Do you have any any final thoughts, Mel, on where

1072
00:47:34,420 --> 00:47:38,800
S1: this goes and what it says about Taylor Swift slash us.

1073
00:47:39,610 --> 00:47:42,190
S3: I mean, I think it says that this is Taylor

1074
00:47:42,190 --> 00:47:45,460
S3: Swift's era and we're all living in it. And I'm

1075
00:47:45,460 --> 00:47:48,640
S3: excited to see kind of this new era of Taylor

1076
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,640
S3: Swift where she's out and about doing what she wants,

1077
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,660
S3: feeding and playing with media narratives. And I kind of

1078
00:47:55,660 --> 00:47:58,719
S3: always love reading the cultural critiques that surround these things.

1079
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,700
S3: So I'm a I'm all here for it.

1080
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,610
S1: Okay. Was that statement legal by Taylor Swift's lawyers?

1081
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,200
S13: Is it like when you sit.

1082
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,300
S2: So much on the fence, does it hurt or does it.

1083
00:48:08,980 --> 00:48:11,800
S1: Well, I think leaving aside a slightly deranged end to

1084
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,200
S1: that conversation, I think we did a pretty good job

1085
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,530
S1: of walking through like what the hell was going on

1086
00:48:17,530 --> 00:48:18,100
S1: and why.

1087
00:48:18,250 --> 00:48:18,609
S13: Well done.

1088
00:48:18,610 --> 00:48:22,900
S1: Guys. Has gotten everyone so fired up. So good job, guys.

1089
00:48:22,989 --> 00:48:28,330
S1: Now it's time for our new ish segment, Impress Your Friends,

1090
00:48:28,330 --> 00:48:31,960
S1: where we each share something in the world of culture

1091
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,080
S1: that we have been enjoying in the past week. And

1092
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:39,430
S1: we want to share with each other and our listeners. Melanie,

1093
00:48:39,550 --> 00:48:41,410
S1: you can go first this time. How do you want

1094
00:48:41,410 --> 00:48:43,230
S1: to impress your friends?

1095
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:44,980
S3: Thank you. Well, I'm going to lift the curtain here

1096
00:48:44,980 --> 00:48:48,130
S3: because this segment has been censored. I wanted to stick

1097
00:48:48,130 --> 00:48:48,640
S3: with the.

1098
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:49,540
S1: Oh my.

1099
00:48:49,540 --> 00:48:54,580
S13: God, awful. Every week I wanted.

1100
00:48:54,580 --> 00:48:57,820
S3: To stick with the sports theme. And I have recently

1101
00:48:57,820 --> 00:49:01,360
S3: just finished reading Nick Hornby's Fever Pitch, which is his

1102
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:06,460
S3: kind of autobiographical essay about him being a fan came

1103
00:49:06,460 --> 00:49:10,450
S3: out in 1992, but Us was like immediately shot it down, said,

1104
00:49:10,450 --> 00:49:13,239
S3: You can't pick something so old. This is magic.

1105
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:13,760
S13: No, no.

1106
00:49:13,780 --> 00:49:16,540
S1: Actually, I thought you were talking about the 2005 film

1107
00:49:16,540 --> 00:49:17,589
S1: Fever Pitch starring.

1108
00:49:17,950 --> 00:49:19,180
S13: Drew Barrymore and Jimmy Fallon.

1109
00:49:19,370 --> 00:49:21,100
S3: Robin Chicken. Come on.

1110
00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:21,969
S13: She's actually talking about.

1111
00:49:21,969 --> 00:49:22,930
S2: Something much older.

1112
00:49:23,410 --> 00:49:26,380
S1: It's based on the book. Like, that's what I thought was.

1113
00:49:26,380 --> 00:49:29,140
S1: And I'm like, this is impress your friends, not name

1114
00:49:29,140 --> 00:49:31,480
S1: a 20 year old, like mediocre film.

1115
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,500
S3: Okay, well, you've misunderstood me, but you didn't see it.

1116
00:49:35,590 --> 00:49:37,210
S13: For the first or last time anyway.

1117
00:49:37,210 --> 00:49:39,220
S3: Because actually my new sport that I am into is

1118
00:49:39,219 --> 00:49:41,649
S3: the Premier League, which was why Thomas has been kind

1119
00:49:41,650 --> 00:49:43,390
S3: of talking me through that, which is why I actually

1120
00:49:43,390 --> 00:49:43,840
S3: picked up.

1121
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,090
S1: This. Mel I've also gotten into the Premier League.

1122
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:47,350
S3: Who do you go for?

1123
00:49:47,350 --> 00:49:49,570
S1: I'm a Manchester United fan. I have been for a while,

1124
00:49:49,570 --> 00:49:53,110
S1: but I've really only started to get invested this year

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00:49:53,110 --> 00:49:55,480
S1: because of like Ange and the Hot Spurs. And I'm like,

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00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,940
S1: let's actually pay attention. Turns out not a great year

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00:49:57,940 --> 00:49:59,680
S1: to be a Manchester United fan.

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00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,900
S3: No, but a great year to be a Spurs fan,

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00:50:01,900 --> 00:50:03,310
S3: which so far I am. Yeah.

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00:50:03,310 --> 00:50:03,700
S13: We're doing.

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00:50:03,700 --> 00:50:05,410
S1: So you've jumped on the Spurs bandwagon? Well, it was.

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00:50:05,410 --> 00:50:08,110
S3: Actually before and became the coach, but it was obviously

1133
00:50:08,110 --> 00:50:11,950
S3: the right decision. So anyway, that was it's a great book.

1134
00:50:11,950 --> 00:50:15,190
S3: It's about the Arsenal Football Club, all about fandom and

1135
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:19,540
S3: really it's about class and it is about masculinity and

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00:50:19,540 --> 00:50:21,430
S3: I would recommend it. But when I was told I

1137
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:22,680
S3: couldn't pick that, I also had No, no, no.

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00:50:22,690 --> 00:50:24,250
S1: Well, I didn't know that. You were talking about a

1139
00:50:24,250 --> 00:50:26,830
S1: cool book by Nick Hornby about soccer. Like, that's great.

1140
00:50:26,830 --> 00:50:29,260
S1: That's a great recommendation. I'm impressed. I'm your.

1141
00:50:29,260 --> 00:50:29,740
S13: Friend.

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00:50:29,739 --> 00:50:32,230
S3: But the other current book that I wanted to mention

1143
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:36,160
S3: was Catherine Braden's body friend. She's a young, emerging writer.

1144
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,710
S3: She won the Vogels Literary Award for The Memory Artist,

1145
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:40,630
S3: which was set in Russia. And then she had the

1146
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:43,029
S3: shut ins, which was set in Japan and got shortlisted

1147
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:45,700
S3: for quite a lot of books. But Body Friend, it's

1148
00:50:45,700 --> 00:50:48,489
S3: about a woman recovering from surgery and she meets two

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00:50:48,489 --> 00:50:52,030
S3: friends that kind of are symbols of the different approaches

1150
00:50:52,030 --> 00:50:54,340
S3: she has to recovery, like the need to get back

1151
00:50:54,340 --> 00:50:56,890
S3: out there and the need to want to withdraw into

1152
00:50:56,890 --> 00:51:00,640
S3: her interiority, like some of the symbolism is a bit overworked.

1153
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,430
S3: But I was pretty impressed by it's an interesting concept.

1154
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:06,760
S3: It's a slow kind of steady book with a coolness

1155
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,489
S3: to it and a deft hand. I liked it because

1156
00:51:09,489 --> 00:51:13,330
S3: it didn't have that kind of disaffected, wry tone that

1157
00:51:13,330 --> 00:51:14,919
S3: we're seeing in a lot of kind of books by

1158
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,129
S3: young writers these days. Like it felt quite meaningful. So yeah,

1159
00:51:18,130 --> 00:51:19,029
S3: I would recommend that.

1160
00:51:19,690 --> 00:51:21,160
S2: That was quite a good book review. Damn it.

1161
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:22,650
S1: It was a really good book review.

1162
00:51:22,810 --> 00:51:24,400
S13: I can either hear the reviews.

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00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,700
S2: Of the book review pouring in. Yeah.

1164
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:27,550
S13: Gosh.

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00:51:28,660 --> 00:51:32,140
S1: Thomas, what have you got to impress our friends?

1166
00:51:32,260 --> 00:51:34,419
S2: So I've got a TV show again because, you know,

1167
00:51:34,450 --> 00:51:37,960
S2: that's my thing. And this is one that was actually

1168
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:42,130
S2: hit Britbox in July. But not many people have britbox

1169
00:51:42,130 --> 00:51:43,989
S2: in Australia. So now it's on binge, which lots of

1170
00:51:43,989 --> 00:51:46,900
S2: people have. So this is the Sixth Commandment. It's a

1171
00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:50,320
S2: four part British series, so it's on Binge now. It's

1172
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,980
S2: basically tells the true story of this young man.

1173
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:55,000
S13: Who.

1174
00:51:55,000 --> 00:52:00,460
S2: Basically met, befriended and kind of like grew close to

1175
00:52:00,460 --> 00:52:06,120
S2: two elderly people. In England. And and essentially he begins

1176
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,969
S2: to like, gaslight them and confuse them. And I won't

1177
00:52:08,969 --> 00:52:11,100
S2: spoil it, but it becomes this very kind of like

1178
00:52:11,100 --> 00:52:15,570
S2: unsettling story about, yeah, these two vulnerable old people that

1179
00:52:15,570 --> 00:52:18,540
S2: fall into the orbit of this quite an evil man.

1180
00:52:18,660 --> 00:52:20,219
S2: It is based on a true story and there are

1181
00:52:20,219 --> 00:52:22,590
S2: some trigger warnings and stuff. But yeah, it's not an

1182
00:52:22,590 --> 00:52:24,420
S2: easy watch. But I think like all of us love

1183
00:52:24,420 --> 00:52:26,250
S2: kind of like British drama and this is very much

1184
00:52:26,250 --> 00:52:29,160
S2: in that vein. It kind of reminded me almost of

1185
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,770
S2: like not in terms of plot, but in terms of tone,

1186
00:52:31,770 --> 00:52:33,719
S2: like Broadchurch, which I think is one of the great

1187
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:34,570
S2: British TV shows.

1188
00:52:34,590 --> 00:52:36,660
S1: Oh, yeah, one of the best British true crimes.

1189
00:52:36,660 --> 00:52:39,360
S2: Yeah, it is like a really hard watch. But yeah,

1190
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,910
S2: like the story is crazy. It's really well-made. So it's

1191
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:43,640
S2: written by Sarah Phelps. I don't know if any of

1192
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,510
S2: you guys watch a very British scandal.

1193
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:46,650
S13: I did a.

1194
00:52:46,650 --> 00:52:48,779
S2: Couple years ago, which is really good. So yes, that

1195
00:52:48,780 --> 00:52:51,100
S2: was her show. She's also written this. And, you know,

1196
00:52:51,150 --> 00:52:53,880
S2: the families of the two old people that are kind

1197
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,469
S2: of at the center of the story, both fully cooperated

1198
00:52:55,469 --> 00:52:57,810
S2: with the story. So it's like very it is one

1199
00:52:57,810 --> 00:52:59,339
S2: of those ones. You watch an episode, then you go

1200
00:52:59,340 --> 00:53:00,600
S2: on Google, then you watch the next episode, then you

1201
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,180
S2: go on Google. I highly recommend it. But yeah, intense

1202
00:53:03,180 --> 00:53:06,030
S2: but very, very watchable for episodes on Binge Now.

1203
00:53:06,510 --> 00:53:12,029
S1: Great recommendation. Mine is also a TV show also on Binge.

1204
00:53:12,180 --> 00:53:14,430
S1: Have you guys seen telemarketers?

1205
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,379
S2: I have not, but I've heard a lot about it.

1206
00:53:16,380 --> 00:53:18,390
S3: I have seen one. Amazing.

1207
00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:20,250
S1: It is really good. It's really good. So this is

1208
00:53:20,250 --> 00:53:25,050
S1: a three part documentary. It is executive produced by the

1209
00:53:25,050 --> 00:53:28,560
S1: Safdie Brothers and it is produced by a company called

1210
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,940
S1: Rough House Pictures, which is Danny McBride's production company. And

1211
00:53:32,940 --> 00:53:35,790
S1: if you are a fan of like Danny McBride, Eastbound

1212
00:53:35,790 --> 00:53:38,490
S1: and Down, anything the Safdies have done the kind of

1213
00:53:38,489 --> 00:53:44,279
S1: like chaotic, messy, grimy America, this is going to grip you.

1214
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:48,569
S1: So this is the story of a telemarketing company called

1215
00:53:48,570 --> 00:53:52,290
S1: CDG and a guy called Sam who started working there

1216
00:53:52,290 --> 00:53:53,940
S1: when he dropped out of high school in the early

1217
00:53:53,940 --> 00:53:57,360
S1: 2000 and thought, This is crazy. I'm like working with

1218
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,750
S1: all these ex-cons. I'm working with heroin addicts. People are

1219
00:54:00,750 --> 00:54:04,440
S1: like snorting drugs and making telemarketing. Phone calls were working

1220
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,210
S1: crazy hours of the night. I'm just going to film

1221
00:54:06,210 --> 00:54:09,000
S1: this stuff, put it on YouTube, and it'll be like, funny.

1222
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,970
S1: And it is. And it's like, That is the first episode. Basically.

1223
00:54:11,969 --> 00:54:16,290
S1: It is a very funny workplace docu comedy sort of thing.

1224
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:20,410
S1: It shifts gears so intensely in the second and third

1225
00:54:20,410 --> 00:54:26,770
S1: episodes to become an investigative journalism sort of exposé into

1226
00:54:26,890 --> 00:54:32,050
S1: the potentially illegal world of charity telemarketing. The way that

1227
00:54:32,050 --> 00:54:36,219
S1: police unions are involved, these guys end up like wanting

1228
00:54:36,219 --> 00:54:38,799
S1: to go to Congress to try and change the laws

1229
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,290
S1: around all of this, the characters in this and like

1230
00:54:41,290 --> 00:54:44,739
S1: it's real. But these guys are like crazy. Characters are extraordinary.

1231
00:54:44,739 --> 00:54:47,380
S1: The storytelling is amazing. It's like you just can't believe

1232
00:54:47,380 --> 00:54:49,210
S1: it starts in one place and ends where it ends.

1233
00:54:49,210 --> 00:54:51,520
S1: It's one of the best things I've watched in the

1234
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:52,810
S1: last few months. Really, really.

1235
00:54:52,810 --> 00:54:53,219
S13: Good.

1236
00:54:53,230 --> 00:54:55,450
S2: Yeah, I'm definitely keen to check that out. And everyone

1237
00:54:55,450 --> 00:54:58,169
S2: obviously has experiences with telemarketers, so like to get that.

1238
00:54:58,180 --> 00:54:59,830
S2: It's very much one of those, like how the sausage

1239
00:54:59,830 --> 00:55:01,900
S2: is made type things like see what's going on in

1240
00:55:01,900 --> 00:55:02,770
S2: those companies.

1241
00:55:03,010 --> 00:55:05,570
S3: Safdie Brothers only produced kind of great stuff, don't they?

1242
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,360
S1: Well, I think the segment is working out really well.

1243
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,120
S1: People seem to be enjoying it, too. So Thomas and Mel,

1244
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,299
S1: thank you for both your recommendations and thank you for

1245
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:15,969
S1: your Taylor Swift takes on this episode.

1246
00:55:16,390 --> 00:55:17,800
S2: And who do we like for the grand final?

1247
00:55:18,100 --> 00:55:19,270
S1: I'm tipping the Panthers.

1248
00:55:20,050 --> 00:55:21,040
S3: Go to go Panthers.

1249
00:55:21,430 --> 00:55:22,960
S2: I'm Broncos by six.

1250
00:55:23,350 --> 00:55:26,050
S1: And because it is also AFL grand final weekend I

1251
00:55:26,050 --> 00:55:27,640
S1: don't know if you guys care at all about it

1252
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,120
S1: but I'm backing a slim Brisbane Lions win.

1253
00:55:31,330 --> 00:55:35,020
S2: Yeah, I'm doubling down on Brisbane so Brisbane by seven.

1254
00:55:36,010 --> 00:55:37,960
S3: Mel Brisbane by 12.

1255
00:55:38,770 --> 00:55:40,840
S1: And who's going to win the next Kansas City Chiefs game?

1256
00:55:41,020 --> 00:55:42,070
S13: Yeah, sure.

1257
00:55:42,219 --> 00:55:43,750
S2: That will be obviously.

1258
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:53,080
S1: Patrick Mahoney Great stuff, guys. Thank you. This episode of

1259
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,109
S1: The Drop was produced by Cheong. If you enjoyed listening

1260
00:55:56,110 --> 00:55:59,200
S1: to today's episode of The Drop, make sure to follow

1261
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,140
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1262
00:56:02,140 --> 00:56:06,000
S1: or better yet, share it with a friend. I'm Osmond Fergie.

1263
00:56:06,010 --> 00:56:07,120
S1: See you next week.