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S1: Mel Schembri. Tough week for you guys, Thomas. Your boy

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S1: Drake took a pretty big L. Mel, your girl Dua

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S1: And I think fair to say, Thomas, like you and

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UU: Me we the big three. Like we started the league.

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S1: And I say that because even though it really set

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441
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S1: it got. Kendrick directly addresses Drake's son, Adonis. He accuses

442
00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:59,020
S1: Drake of hiding a second child, this time a daughter.

443
00:20:59,140 --> 00:21:03,369
S1: He suggests that Drake is attracted to underage children and

444
00:21:03,369 --> 00:21:06,909
S1: accuses him of running a sex trafficking ring out of

445
00:21:06,910 --> 00:21:10,870
S1: his Toronto mansion. Yeah, as you can tell, quite, quite

446
00:21:10,869 --> 00:21:14,140
S1: a severe escalation in all of this. Um, from where

447
00:21:14,140 --> 00:21:15,910
S1: it started, from the big three.

448
00:21:15,910 --> 00:21:18,340
S3: To very different to I'm better than you. Like it's

449
00:21:18,340 --> 00:21:20,050
S3: a big jump to then. Like, also you're running a

450
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:21,610
S3: sex trafficking ring.

451
00:21:21,820 --> 00:21:25,120
S1: The the next day, Kendrick follows up with another track,

452
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,090
S1: Not Like Us. And this is maybe the best song

453
00:21:28,090 --> 00:21:29,830
S1: in the whole thing in terms of Just Like as

454
00:21:29,830 --> 00:21:31,090
S1: a standalone track.

455
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,869
UU: Oh, I must have heard the beat. Ho de bo.

456
00:21:35,869 --> 00:21:38,450
UU: Any rap nigga. He a free throw, man. Damn. Call

457
00:21:38,450 --> 00:21:38,840
UU: the amber.

458
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,210
S8: Lamps. Tell em pre-pro nella nigga to the cross. He

459
00:21:41,210 --> 00:21:43,580
S8: walk around like teaser. What's up with these jabroni ass

460
00:21:43,580 --> 00:21:46,190
S8: niggas tryna see Compton. The industry can hate me. Fuck

461
00:21:46,190 --> 00:21:48,230
S8: em all they momma. How many apps you really got?

462
00:21:48,260 --> 00:21:50,570
S8: How many is too many options I'm finna pass on

463
00:21:50,570 --> 00:21:52,100
S8: this body I'm John Stockton.

464
00:21:52,340 --> 00:21:54,500
S1: There's sort of early numbers out on streaming that this

465
00:21:54,500 --> 00:21:57,230
S1: could actually replace Taylor Swift as the number one track

466
00:21:57,230 --> 00:22:00,230
S1: on Billboard this week has a really catchy beat by

467
00:22:00,230 --> 00:22:03,500
S1: DJ mustard, and on it, Kendrick doubles down on calling

468
00:22:03,500 --> 00:22:05,510
S1: Drake a pedophile who he literally this time says the

469
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:10,430
S1: word pedophile. He parodies Drake's music style, and it's kind

470
00:22:10,430 --> 00:22:13,700
S1: of considered at this stage that this is the point

471
00:22:13,700 --> 00:22:17,659
S1: where Kendrick has successfully shredded Drake's reputation. He's kind of

472
00:22:17,660 --> 00:22:21,080
S1: releasing two tracks for every one track Drake is dropping,

473
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,650
S1: and he's also demonstrated his storytelling and his lyrical prowess,

474
00:22:24,650 --> 00:22:26,899
S1: which is the kind of level that he's on compared

475
00:22:26,900 --> 00:22:31,160
S1: to a more pop commercial pop star like Drake. The

476
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,110
S1: kind of brief code and all of this is a

477
00:22:33,109 --> 00:22:35,780
S1: track called The Heart Part six, which is the final

478
00:22:35,780 --> 00:22:39,710
S1: track so far from Drake. He denies the pedophile allegations,

479
00:22:39,710 --> 00:22:43,160
S1: but doesn't really land any new blows on Kendrick. So

480
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:44,660
S1: kind of takes us to where we are now, which

481
00:22:44,660 --> 00:22:48,740
S1: is a lot of personal, vicious rumors aimed at each other,

482
00:22:48,740 --> 00:22:51,680
S1: a lot of collateral damage for the people around them

483
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:57,230
S1: in their lives, and a feeling that Kendrick has essentially won,

484
00:22:57,230 --> 00:23:01,429
S1: quote unquote, whatever that means. This feud. There's a lot

485
00:23:01,430 --> 00:23:04,250
S1: of stuff going on, a lot of stuff to talk about.

486
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,070
S1: I think maybe where we can start is like, why

487
00:23:07,070 --> 00:23:10,370
S1: this drew so much attention? I think aside from how

488
00:23:10,369 --> 00:23:13,940
S1: big and successful and popular both of these guys are,

489
00:23:14,330 --> 00:23:16,730
S1: the rapid fire way these songs are being released, like

490
00:23:16,730 --> 00:23:19,040
S1: having 4 or 5 tracks released over the course of

491
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,470
S1: a weekend. Like Thomas, you and I were messaging at

492
00:23:21,470 --> 00:23:24,170
S1: certain points about a track and then you're like, another

493
00:23:24,170 --> 00:23:27,830
S1: track has just been released. And then also how dark

494
00:23:27,859 --> 00:23:30,650
S1: a turn these allegations took. It feels like those two

495
00:23:30,650 --> 00:23:33,169
S1: things just sort of brought so many more people in

496
00:23:33,170 --> 00:23:36,020
S1: the periphery of hip hop into this feud over the

497
00:23:36,020 --> 00:23:40,520
S1: past week. Just talk me through why this became so big. Thomas.

498
00:23:41,030 --> 00:23:43,340
S3: Well, yeah, I think it really was the frequency. You know,

499
00:23:43,340 --> 00:23:46,369
S3: like in previous hip hop feuds, you would wait, like,

500
00:23:46,369 --> 00:23:49,399
S3: you know, whether it's NAS and Jay-Z or Tupac and

501
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,050
S3: Biggie and like the 90s, you'd have to wait like

502
00:23:51,050 --> 00:23:52,940
S3: ages for them to go off and like, film a video.

503
00:23:52,940 --> 00:23:55,760
S3: And it'd be like months between, you know, like hit

504
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,369
S3: him up versus who shot you. Whereas this was basically

505
00:23:58,369 --> 00:24:01,160
S3: contained to like a 48 hour period across the weekend.

506
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,380
S3: And so I do think for a little while, you know,

507
00:24:03,380 --> 00:24:05,719
S3: this feud was kind of existing on the fringes, like

508
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,909
S3: people who were really into hip hop were following it.

509
00:24:07,910 --> 00:24:10,790
S3: But when it kind of like seized the momentum across

510
00:24:10,790 --> 00:24:12,890
S3: the weekend and it was just like track after track

511
00:24:12,890 --> 00:24:15,350
S3: after track, I think it did kind of bleed into

512
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:17,000
S3: the mainstream and suddenly people were like, well, hold on,

513
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,129
S3: why are these two guys like, what is going on here?

514
00:24:19,130 --> 00:24:21,650
S3: And then and then like that, coinciding with the fact

515
00:24:21,650 --> 00:24:25,160
S3: it became so personal and these like really intense, you know,

516
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,800
S3: allegations were being traded back and forth. And you know,

517
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,780
S3: there's been so much chat and I think this really

518
00:24:29,780 --> 00:24:32,359
S3: plays into it, you know, of all these people saying like, oh,

519
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,310
S3: this is why hip hop fans finally get why the

520
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:37,490
S3: Swifties are so excited. Because like, this Easter egg culture

521
00:24:37,490 --> 00:24:39,950
S3: that we're in now, where all of these songs featured

522
00:24:39,950 --> 00:24:42,560
S3: like allegations or kind of like winks and nods about

523
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,600
S3: things going on. And so you kind of like, tapped

524
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,090
S3: into people's desire to go on the internet and be like, what?

525
00:24:47,090 --> 00:24:48,680
S3: What are they talking about? What is going on here?

526
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,680
S3: So suddenly you had this, like volume of content being like,

527
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,290
S3: flooded into the internet. At the same time, people are

528
00:24:54,290 --> 00:24:57,200
S3: like investigating to try and figure out what is going

529
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,199
S3: on and who's really like, you know, got the right

530
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,359
S3: Intel and everything. So it just kind of like this

531
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,020
S3: confluence of factors, I think, seize people's imagination. I don't know,

532
00:25:06,020 --> 00:25:08,359
S3: that was my experience. I don't know, Mel, as someone

533
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,570
S3: who may not be as typically tapped in to, you know,

534
00:25:11,570 --> 00:25:15,169
S3: this space, were you across it across the weekend?

535
00:25:15,170 --> 00:25:18,560
S2: I was across it. Um, I mean, I think people

536
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,739
S2: also like a train wreck, like, I don't know, I

537
00:25:21,740 --> 00:25:24,410
S2: think what we're seeing here is just both of these

538
00:25:24,410 --> 00:25:27,169
S2: people going off the rails, particularly, as you mentioned, the

539
00:25:27,170 --> 00:25:30,680
S2: claims got more and more intense. And I don't know,

540
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,260
S2: like I was interested in it. And obviously, if you

541
00:25:33,260 --> 00:25:35,630
S2: recognize all the Easter eggs, you get something different out

542
00:25:35,630 --> 00:25:38,659
S2: of this because you're understanding a lot more of the references.

543
00:25:38,660 --> 00:25:41,300
S2: But I don't know, I just think it became really gross.

544
00:25:41,300 --> 00:25:43,669
S2: And I do think, at least in some parts of

545
00:25:43,670 --> 00:25:46,070
S2: the internet, maybe among people who aren't as rusted on

546
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:48,650
S2: hip hop fans, there's like a feeling that this is

547
00:25:48,650 --> 00:25:52,520
S2: kind of gross and disgusting to watch. Um, I don't know.

548
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,140
S2: Do you guys feel that at all? Like, I know

549
00:25:54,140 --> 00:25:57,440
S2: you're excited by the the songs and the music and, like,

550
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,690
S2: I get the lyrics, the kind of funny and interesting

551
00:25:59,690 --> 00:26:02,090
S2: and clever at times. And the songs are legit songs

552
00:26:02,090 --> 00:26:03,980
S2: on their own. But do you think there's a level

553
00:26:03,980 --> 00:26:06,020
S2: of grossness to this? And yeah.

554
00:26:06,020 --> 00:26:07,340
S1: Look, I want to I do want to get into that.

555
00:26:07,340 --> 00:26:09,080
S1: I think if it's okay, we'll put a pin in

556
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,850
S1: that element of it for a second, because I do

557
00:26:10,850 --> 00:26:14,630
S1: think there's a bit around the context to this before

558
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:17,239
S1: we sort of unpack when things may be spun out

559
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,060
S1: of control a little bit, I think. I think, Thomas,

560
00:26:20,060 --> 00:26:22,970
S1: your point about Taylor Swift is, is really interesting because

561
00:26:22,970 --> 00:26:25,730
S1: in some ways, this is the first feud in a

562
00:26:25,730 --> 00:26:30,200
S1: kind of post Taylor Swift social media Reddit true crime

563
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,859
S1: era where like, you know, rap genius now just called genius.

564
00:26:33,859 --> 00:26:35,720
S1: The website's been around for a long time where you can, like,

565
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,120
S1: look up hip hop songs and people can provide annotations

566
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,639
S1: and things, but the level of analysis people were doing

567
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,790
S1: seemed out of control. Like the tracks 616 in LA,

568
00:26:43,820 --> 00:26:47,240
S1: people are like oh 616. That's a reference to Father's

569
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,820
S1: Day in Canada. That's a reference to the date. The

570
00:26:49,820 --> 00:26:52,760
S1: first season of euphoria, the TV show about high schoolers

571
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,760
S1: having sex that Drake executive produced, came out. That's also

572
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,800
S1: a reference to a biblical verse. It's also a reference

573
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,570
S1: to like. It could be a reference to one of

574
00:26:59,570 --> 00:27:02,000
S1: these things. It could be a reference to three of

575
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,129
S1: them or none of them. I think there's an element

576
00:27:04,130 --> 00:27:06,889
S1: of just people creating their own lore around this stuff

577
00:27:06,890 --> 00:27:09,830
S1: that just grows and grows and grows and snowballs, and

578
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:12,080
S1: I think it's a really smart comparison to sort of

579
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,800
S1: put that in the frame. And as ludicrous as it sounds,

580
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,409
S1: the way that Swift has sort of trained music fans

581
00:27:18,410 --> 00:27:21,980
S1: and others to think about music and lyrics. But one

582
00:27:21,980 --> 00:27:23,720
S1: of the things I want to ask you, Thomas, is

583
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:28,580
S1: whether you think this was ever a real or fair

584
00:27:28,580 --> 00:27:34,340
S1: rap battle feud. These are two very different kinds of rappers.

585
00:27:34,340 --> 00:27:36,260
S1: You laid it out very well at the start. Drake

586
00:27:36,260 --> 00:27:38,689
S1: is much more poppy, much more commercial. Kendrick is more

587
00:27:38,690 --> 00:27:42,530
S1: known for his incredibly complex rhymes, his storytelling. That's the

588
00:27:42,530 --> 00:27:45,650
S1: kind of thing that generally wins you a rap beef.

589
00:27:45,650 --> 00:27:47,389
S1: Do you think he was always going to come out

590
00:27:47,390 --> 00:27:49,220
S1: on top? Were there moments in which you thought Drake

591
00:27:49,220 --> 00:27:50,420
S1: had the upper hand here?

592
00:27:51,530 --> 00:27:55,700
S3: Uh, I mean, it's hard because there's so many quantifiers.

593
00:27:56,030 --> 00:28:01,399
S3: I love Drake, as you know, obviously pre potentially. Sex offender. Drake, I.

594
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,889
S2: Believe you said to me that you're the Drake of journalism.

595
00:28:03,890 --> 00:28:05,600
S3: I know you said that to about me.

596
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,060
S1: You were raised. You were raised in the clubs of

597
00:28:08,060 --> 00:28:11,330
S1: Sydney in the late 20 tens. It makes sense. It

598
00:28:11,330 --> 00:28:12,080
S1: makes sense. Exactly.

599
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,970
S3: Take care is a special album. No. But like, I

600
00:28:13,970 --> 00:28:19,360
S3: think I did think that generally there was a. Consensus

601
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,020
S3: that Kendrick was winning from the start and he was

602
00:28:23,020 --> 00:28:26,109
S3: always going to win. But when Drake dropped Family Matters

603
00:28:26,109 --> 00:28:30,850
S3: on Saturday morning, I think people saw a slight momentum

604
00:28:30,850 --> 00:28:32,590
S3: shift and I say slight because it lasted all of

605
00:28:32,590 --> 00:28:35,800
S3: 20 minutes because it was it was a I think

606
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,270
S3: it was a pretty like hard hitting song. And he

607
00:28:37,270 --> 00:28:40,420
S3: also recorded a video with it like, you know, really impressive,

608
00:28:40,420 --> 00:28:43,420
S3: like production values. He kind of went all out, probably

609
00:28:43,420 --> 00:28:46,300
S3: not anticipating that Kendrick would like, cut his legs out

610
00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:46,810
S3: for two more.

611
00:28:46,810 --> 00:28:48,970
S1: In the chamber, ready to go straight away.

612
00:28:48,970 --> 00:28:52,000
S3: But I mean, my personal take is that obviously before

613
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,280
S3: things did get really problematic and weird and I was

614
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,920
S3: kind of like enjoying the drama of this beef for

615
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,250
S3: what it was like. There is this mentality in the

616
00:29:00,250 --> 00:29:03,250
S3: hip hop world that, you know, the critical bar for

617
00:29:03,250 --> 00:29:05,500
S3: someone like Drake is so much higher than what people

618
00:29:05,500 --> 00:29:08,620
S3: expect for Kendrick. Like, you know, Drake literally raps in

619
00:29:08,620 --> 00:29:11,110
S3: Family Matters. Like Kendrick just opened his mouth. Somebody hand

620
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:13,270
S3: him a Grammy right now. And that is like, there's

621
00:29:13,270 --> 00:29:15,160
S3: a lot of truth in that joke. I think Kendrick

622
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,130
S3: can kind of like, do something or say anything that

623
00:29:18,130 --> 00:29:20,440
S3: and people will just fall over themselves to say how

624
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,770
S3: amazing and smart he is. And so I again, before

625
00:29:23,770 --> 00:29:26,110
S3: things got really weird, I was kind of impressed that

626
00:29:26,110 --> 00:29:28,660
S3: Drake did decide to take this on, and I thought

627
00:29:28,660 --> 00:29:30,130
S3: he was doing pretty well. And I thought when Family

628
00:29:30,130 --> 00:29:32,050
S3: Matters came out, he kind of took the lead. You know,

629
00:29:32,050 --> 00:29:35,230
S3: you've got Kendrick as this really earnest rapper who is

630
00:29:35,230 --> 00:29:38,770
S3: so serious, and Drake is the absolute embodiment of internet culture.

631
00:29:38,770 --> 00:29:40,900
S3: He responded to most of the tracks with just like

632
00:29:40,900 --> 00:29:43,840
S3: funny memes on the internet that people thought were really good,

633
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,940
S3: and he was like, needling Kendrick. And and I said

634
00:29:45,940 --> 00:29:48,370
S3: to you over the weekend, I was like, stepping out

635
00:29:48,370 --> 00:29:50,170
S3: of this. It really is a funny thing to watch

636
00:29:50,170 --> 00:29:52,960
S3: because Drake is the perfect foil for someone like Kendrick.

637
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,650
S3: He he's mean, he's gossipy, he's funny. He's just like,

638
00:29:56,650 --> 00:29:59,560
S3: you know, snide remarks. Whereas Kendrick is like really, you know,

639
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,530
S3: self-serving and really serious. And so it made for a

640
00:30:02,530 --> 00:30:05,050
S3: great feud. And I personally thought when Family Matters came out,

641
00:30:05,050 --> 00:30:06,790
S3: I was like, oh, Drake actually is holding his own

642
00:30:06,790 --> 00:30:08,680
S3: here against someone who people are going to be really

643
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,950
S3: quick to give the win anyway. Obviously. Kendrick then released

644
00:30:11,950 --> 00:30:14,290
S3: two more tracks, especially Not Like Us. I think really

645
00:30:14,290 --> 00:30:16,540
S3: like killed the feud off, and also took it into

646
00:30:16,540 --> 00:30:19,360
S3: an area where even the kind of casual observers or

647
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,340
S3: the people really invested, like you and I, who were

648
00:30:21,340 --> 00:30:23,410
S3: enjoying it for what it kind of was, it started

649
00:30:23,410 --> 00:30:26,080
S3: to become harder to get hyped about it because it

650
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:26,710
S3: felt just like.

651
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:29,140
S1: It's like The Simpsons meme like, stop, he's already dead,

652
00:30:29,140 --> 00:30:29,380
S1: you know?

653
00:30:29,380 --> 00:30:32,110
S3: Yeah, exactly. But yeah, I generally think it was an

654
00:30:32,110 --> 00:30:35,080
S3: interesting reflection for a while, at least that, you know,

655
00:30:35,170 --> 00:30:38,140
S3: Drake was up against it from the get go. He

656
00:30:38,140 --> 00:30:40,210
S3: was behind the eight ball. He is seen as this

657
00:30:40,210 --> 00:30:43,120
S3: dumb pop rapper. And I was like, ah, I think

658
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,340
S3: he gets points for like going into this and holding

659
00:30:45,340 --> 00:30:46,120
S3: his own. Yeah.

660
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,250
S1: I think that's why Mel and like, I promise you,

661
00:30:48,250 --> 00:30:49,990
S1: we will talk about when things got weird, but I

662
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:52,720
S1: think I just wanted to set a little bit on

663
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,970
S1: the bits of the feud that sort of, you know,

664
00:30:54,970 --> 00:30:57,790
S1: felt more reminiscent of, of rap feuds of old because

665
00:30:57,790 --> 00:30:59,950
S1: this has been a part of hip hop for so long,

666
00:30:59,950 --> 00:31:02,470
S1: and maybe for people really outside of the culture, watching

667
00:31:02,500 --> 00:31:06,400
S1: two men in their like, late 30s trade barbs seems weird,

668
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,160
S1: but this has been in hip hop's DNA from day one,

669
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,470
S1: whether it is the East Coast, West Coast stuff, whether

670
00:31:11,470 --> 00:31:14,290
S1: it was the gangsta rap versus conscious rap stuff in

671
00:31:14,290 --> 00:31:17,590
S1: the 2000, the postcode wars in the drill scene in

672
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:20,620
S1: UK and Australia, a large part of rap has been

673
00:31:20,620 --> 00:31:22,510
S1: people sort of like taking shots at one another, and

674
00:31:22,510 --> 00:31:26,440
S1: it's always strayed a bit into like weird territory. Like

675
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,960
S1: in the 90s and 2000, there was a lot of homophobia,

676
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,970
S1: there was a lot of accusations of people sleeping with

677
00:31:30,970 --> 00:31:34,150
S1: one another's wives. That's always been part of it. A

678
00:31:34,150 --> 00:31:35,530
S1: lot of it, you know, that I think is the

679
00:31:35,530 --> 00:31:37,930
S1: most interesting for for people like Thomas Knight probably is

680
00:31:37,930 --> 00:31:40,120
S1: when they make fun of each other or take shots

681
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,560
S1: at each other for the music that they make. Like

682
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,230
S1: the other Drake line I thought was interesting was, you know,

683
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:46,510
S1: Drake said, Kendrick's always rapping like he's about to get

684
00:31:46,510 --> 00:31:49,120
S1: the slaves freed. Kendrick hit back hard on that, but

685
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,200
S1: it's like, that's funny, memorable sort of lines that reflect

686
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:54,729
S1: where each other are. And it's sort of, if you

687
00:31:54,730 --> 00:32:00,130
S1: take it in, uh, spirit of competition, it doesn't feel crazy. Like,

688
00:32:00,130 --> 00:32:03,220
S1: you know, we had Scribble Jam, like hip hop tournaments.

689
00:32:03,220 --> 00:32:06,670
S1: Rap battles were a place where rappers emerged and established

690
00:32:06,670 --> 00:32:09,580
S1: their credentials. So evaluating it on that level for a bit,

691
00:32:09,580 --> 00:32:12,310
S1: I think is is interesting. And then, yes, I think

692
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:14,380
S1: we do need to talk about whether it went a

693
00:32:14,380 --> 00:32:19,100
S1: little bit kind of unhinged. But there's there's it feels

694
00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:21,080
S1: like Thomas says more going on here as well. Like

695
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,800
S1: there is this long term animosity that a lot of

696
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,220
S1: rappers seem to have towards Drake, and a lot of

697
00:32:28,220 --> 00:32:31,790
S1: that really came to the fore with some pretty explicit stuff,

698
00:32:31,790 --> 00:32:34,400
S1: Kendrick was saying. No need to get into like all

699
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,110
S1: the details. There are some people who say that this

700
00:32:36,110 --> 00:32:39,680
S1: goes back to 2002, when a rapper called Birdman didn't

701
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,470
S1: pay Pharrell for a beat. Believe it or not, there

702
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:44,570
S1: is like a family tree that shows how you go

703
00:32:44,570 --> 00:32:48,050
S1: from Birdman on one hand to Drake and Pharrell to

704
00:32:48,050 --> 00:32:49,520
S1: push a T and all this sort of stuff. So

705
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,360
S1: there's like lots of history here as well. But Drake

706
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,840
S1: has been the subject of big disses from big rappers

707
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,660
S1: for a while, like Meek Mill. Uh, Philly rapper had

708
00:32:59,660 --> 00:33:02,180
S1: a go at him for using ghostwriters. Probably the biggest

709
00:33:02,180 --> 00:33:06,290
S1: thing that happened before this feud was Pusha T revealing

710
00:33:06,290 --> 00:33:08,510
S1: on his diss track Story of Adidon that Drake had

711
00:33:08,510 --> 00:33:11,120
S1: a kid like that is how the world found out

712
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,090
S1: that Drake had a secret son. And for a rapper

713
00:33:14,090 --> 00:33:18,020
S1: that really projected this sort of soft boy image, and

714
00:33:18,170 --> 00:33:20,479
S1: always at the clubs waiting for a text back that

715
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,830
S1: seemed to really shift the narrative around him. I think

716
00:33:24,830 --> 00:33:26,959
S1: the other part of this, and Kendrick addresses this head on,

717
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,300
S1: and I think probably not, none of us are the

718
00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:31,520
S1: right people to talk about this in detail, but it

719
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,060
S1: is worth mentioning that Drake, unlike Kendrick, has a mixed

720
00:33:35,060 --> 00:33:39,290
S1: race background. He has faced accusations of being like a

721
00:33:39,290 --> 00:33:42,920
S1: culture vulture of leaning into blackness when it suits him

722
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,850
S1: without paying proper respect. Kendrick mentions that a number of

723
00:33:46,850 --> 00:33:49,310
S1: times in these disses, he talks about the way Drake

724
00:33:49,310 --> 00:33:50,780
S1: says the N word. He doesn't like the way he

725
00:33:50,780 --> 00:33:52,610
S1: says the N word. He talks about when Drake goes

726
00:33:52,610 --> 00:33:56,930
S1: to Atlanta, kind of like a modern capital of current

727
00:33:56,930 --> 00:34:01,220
S1: southern hip hop, and goes there to get credibility and

728
00:34:01,220 --> 00:34:04,610
S1: cultural clout by working with artists like Migos. There is

729
00:34:04,610 --> 00:34:07,760
S1: a pretty intense racial dynamic to this as well. And

730
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,100
S1: people point out, well, J. Cole is also mixed race,

731
00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:12,589
S1: but the response there is, well, J Cole doesn't seem

732
00:34:12,590 --> 00:34:14,540
S1: to pick and choose as much like Drake has done

733
00:34:14,540 --> 00:34:16,520
S1: this for a long time. When he went to London

734
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,340
S1: and started borrowing that sort of south London sound, and

735
00:34:19,340 --> 00:34:21,470
S1: it's one of the first times someone's just laid it

736
00:34:21,469 --> 00:34:24,890
S1: out super, super explicitly. So it does feel like there's

737
00:34:24,890 --> 00:34:27,560
S1: this pent up anger from a lot of the hip

738
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,810
S1: hop scene to someone like Drake, who has become so

739
00:34:29,810 --> 00:34:32,930
S1: commercial by being able to pick and choose what his

740
00:34:32,930 --> 00:34:35,810
S1: kind of racial context is at different times. Is that

741
00:34:35,810 --> 00:34:36,560
S1: fair to say?

742
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,780
S3: Yeah, I think so, because it's always been this thing,

743
00:34:38,780 --> 00:34:40,940
S3: especially in the last like probably 20 years of these

744
00:34:40,940 --> 00:34:43,040
S3: like fans who feel like they need to like, safeguard

745
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,859
S3: the true honor of hip hop and what it really

746
00:34:45,860 --> 00:34:48,230
S3: means and what it's really supposed to be. But at

747
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:51,320
S3: the same time, that mentality has had to deal with

748
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,750
S3: the fact that hip hop and I guess, like the

749
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:56,149
S3: wider black culture, has become one of the most popular

750
00:34:56,150 --> 00:34:58,910
S3: like genres of music in the whole world. And, you know,

751
00:34:58,910 --> 00:35:01,700
S3: we've had so many conversations on this podcast about like,

752
00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:03,919
S3: for instance, the rise of country music and how you

753
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,799
S3: know what, who gets to own, you know, a genre.

754
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,990
S3: And I think a lot of like, purist hip hop

755
00:35:08,989 --> 00:35:11,450
S3: fans have struggled with the likes of Drake, who are

756
00:35:11,450 --> 00:35:14,330
S3: kind of like bonafide pop stars, but also like rappers

757
00:35:14,330 --> 00:35:17,750
S3: and hip hop. And and there has always been this, like, simmering,

758
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:20,330
S3: you know, tension around Drake. I feel like he spent

759
00:35:20,330 --> 00:35:22,520
S3: a really long time at the start of his career

760
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,950
S3: battling it, and kind of like trying to prove to

761
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:27,020
S3: people that he wasn't just like this punchline rapper who

762
00:35:27,020 --> 00:35:29,000
S3: could be made fun of. And for a long time

763
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,430
S3: he was like that sensitive, soft boy. And I feel

764
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:34,040
S3: like despite, you know, the constant accusations around that, he

765
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,620
S3: kind of just because of the sheer volume of his hits,

766
00:35:36,620 --> 00:35:38,779
S3: he kind of, I guess, like managed to hold on

767
00:35:38,780 --> 00:35:41,360
S3: to some kind of cred. But there was always that

768
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,969
S3: feeling around him that he wasn't legit. Um, you know,

769
00:35:43,969 --> 00:35:46,009
S3: in the, in the true hip hop sense. And I

770
00:35:46,010 --> 00:35:48,980
S3: still don't really know how I feel about like that

771
00:35:48,980 --> 00:35:51,469
S3: mentality for the genre. Is it a good thing that

772
00:35:51,469 --> 00:35:54,200
S3: we still, you know, in this day and age, believe

773
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,780
S3: that you should try and hold on to like, what

774
00:35:56,780 --> 00:35:59,330
S3: the genre used to be 20, 30 years ago. Like

775
00:35:59,330 --> 00:36:02,030
S3: things change, things develop. And, you know, we just have

776
00:36:02,030 --> 00:36:04,250
S3: to accept that. But I do think this whole thing

777
00:36:04,250 --> 00:36:06,830
S3: has been a flashpoint then for Kendrick to kind of like,

778
00:36:06,830 --> 00:36:09,080
S3: speak into the echo chamber of all these people who

779
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,850
S3: already thought all this about Drake and be like, you know,

780
00:36:10,850 --> 00:36:13,460
S3: you're mixed race. You say the N word when you shouldn't.

781
00:36:13,460 --> 00:36:16,489
S3: You're basically a pop star who likes to rap occasionally,

782
00:36:16,489 --> 00:36:19,310
S3: you know? And also you take a pic. Hahaha. But

783
00:36:19,310 --> 00:36:22,070
S3: but yeah, like, it just kind of like lit a

784
00:36:22,070 --> 00:36:23,960
S3: fuse that was already waiting to blow.

785
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,670
S2: I mean, I think as, as mentioned, those questions of

786
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:28,640
S2: authenticity have always been built into hip hop, and I

787
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,730
S2: think those questions always come to the fore when you

788
00:36:31,730 --> 00:36:35,180
S2: see art that starts as quote unquote outsider art outside

789
00:36:35,180 --> 00:36:38,000
S2: of the mainstream become part of the mainstream. So when

790
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,629
S2: you have kids who grew up, you know, on the streets,

791
00:36:41,630 --> 00:36:46,190
S2: suddenly become billionaires, those questions of authenticity kind of are

792
00:36:46,190 --> 00:36:49,399
S2: inherently going to arise, because what made the art form,

793
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,560
S2: what it is, is no longer there. So I think

794
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,190
S2: like the change is inevitable in many ways, but those

795
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:58,070
S2: questions have still kind of lingered. I don't know if

796
00:36:58,070 --> 00:37:00,620
S2: there is, like you said, you don't know what you

797
00:37:00,620 --> 00:37:03,590
S2: think is right or wrong, but maybe everyone's authentic is

798
00:37:03,590 --> 00:37:05,510
S2: very different. You know what I mean?

799
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:07,219
S1: Yeah, I feel like I feel like the issue here

800
00:37:07,219 --> 00:37:10,040
S1: is like, obviously there's space in this world for a

801
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,260
S1: Drake and a Kendrick to exist. And I kind of

802
00:37:12,260 --> 00:37:14,930
S1: think Drake, I think it was a weird move for

803
00:37:14,930 --> 00:37:18,370
S1: Drake to involve himself in a rap feud, like. Because.

804
00:37:19,210 --> 00:37:22,240
S1: When you go like hip hop has evolved, it's changed.

805
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,430
S1: There's all these different forms of it now as well.

806
00:37:24,430 --> 00:37:27,969
S1: But the format of a rap beef is like stripping

807
00:37:27,969 --> 00:37:29,770
S1: all of that away and you're just going toe to

808
00:37:29,770 --> 00:37:32,830
S1: toe bar for bar. Two people trying to prove how

809
00:37:32,830 --> 00:37:35,470
S1: real and authentic and brutal they can be to one another.

810
00:37:35,469 --> 00:37:37,840
S1: And in that context, a guy who grew up in

811
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,020
S1: the suburbs of Toronto became famous for being a child

812
00:37:41,020 --> 00:37:45,010
S1: star on Degrassi Junior High, was never going to beat

813
00:37:45,010 --> 00:37:47,950
S1: someone who grew up in Compton, who raps about seeing

814
00:37:47,950 --> 00:37:50,230
S1: his first execution on the street when he was nine

815
00:37:50,230 --> 00:37:53,260
S1: years old. Like that just there's no format of a

816
00:37:53,260 --> 00:37:55,989
S1: rap feud where Drake would have won from that, and

817
00:37:55,989 --> 00:37:58,089
S1: maybe it's like good on him for at least trying.

818
00:37:58,090 --> 00:38:01,480
S1: But it's like you're in a different world. Be happy

819
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,690
S1: in that world like no one asks you to. To

820
00:38:04,690 --> 00:38:09,279
S1: respond to the pretty soft initial Drake diss saying that

821
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,620
S1: he was, you know, it was big me, not big three.

822
00:38:11,620 --> 00:38:14,739
S1: I find that to be a strange decision for Drake.

823
00:38:14,739 --> 00:38:16,899
S1: Maybe he thought the payoff is I'll get a bunch

824
00:38:16,900 --> 00:38:20,320
S1: of streams, but then the risk is, well, actually, you're

825
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,810
S1: in a weaker position than you were before you entered it.

826
00:38:22,810 --> 00:38:27,580
S1: Because now everyone thinks you're an alleged sex criminal. It

827
00:38:27,580 --> 00:38:28,990
S1: just doesn't seem to have worked out.

828
00:38:28,989 --> 00:38:31,630
S3: Yeah, but, like, how hard is it to, you know,

829
00:38:31,630 --> 00:38:33,100
S3: it's easy for us to sit here and say that.

830
00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:35,470
S3: But this is a guy who, you know, is like,

831
00:38:35,469 --> 00:38:37,300
S3: basically on top of the music world. As I said before,

832
00:38:37,300 --> 00:38:39,640
S3: signed the largest publishing deal in history like a few

833
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,640
S3: years ago with universal. Everything and everyone around him is

834
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,489
S3: telling him he's probably the greatest rapper to have ever lived. Like,

835
00:38:45,489 --> 00:38:48,670
S3: do you think he's got any perspective left to not

836
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:51,100
S3: have the ego to involve himself in this? Like, of

837
00:38:51,100 --> 00:38:54,129
S3: course he doesn't like, you know, and again, I think,

838
00:38:54,130 --> 00:38:56,170
S3: you know, probably he saw this as an opportunity to

839
00:38:56,170 --> 00:38:59,049
S3: be like, wow, all the things I haven't conquered. Maybe

840
00:38:59,050 --> 00:39:02,080
S3: I could take on the one guy that people really

841
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,840
S3: see as like above me right now in terms of

842
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,259
S3: credibility or, you know, just like bankability like Kendrick has

843
00:39:08,260 --> 00:39:10,360
S3: always had that kind of mystique. And, you know, like

844
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,930
S3: I said, that almost like the Tupac Shakur thing around

845
00:39:13,930 --> 00:39:16,330
S3: him where like, everyone just universally is like, well, Kendrick

846
00:39:16,330 --> 00:39:19,149
S3: is the man. And, you know, yeah, I definitely see

847
00:39:19,150 --> 00:39:22,000
S3: a reality where Drake is so high on his own

848
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,759
S3: success that, you know, there was never a world where

849
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,560
S3: he could have, like, not touched this.

850
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:38,730
S1: Let's talk about where things got really dark. And I

851
00:39:38,730 --> 00:39:41,700
S1: think this is probably where a lot of people either

852
00:39:41,700 --> 00:39:45,480
S1: switched off or really switched in, just because of how crazy,

853
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:50,070
S1: outlandish things were getting. Lots of women as collateral damage.

854
00:39:50,070 --> 00:39:52,440
S1: Like that's that seems to be one of the clear,

855
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,890
S1: like big criticisms of this feud, even from hip hop

856
00:39:55,890 --> 00:40:01,920
S1: writers in the States. Drake accusing Kendrick of abusing his wife.

857
00:40:02,070 --> 00:40:05,400
S1: Kendrick saying that Drake has a daughter. Kendrick saying that

858
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,660
S1: he sleeps with underage children. Bizarrely, he didn't mention anyone

859
00:40:09,660 --> 00:40:11,550
S1: by name, and then Drake went out of his way

860
00:40:11,550 --> 00:40:15,180
S1: to mention Millie Bobby Brown, who is a she's obviously

861
00:40:15,180 --> 00:40:17,040
S1: the actress from Stranger Things, and there's been all sorts

862
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,680
S1: of weird rumors around that after she, I think she

863
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,500
S1: was 15, said that she was texting Drake and he

864
00:40:22,500 --> 00:40:25,290
S1: was giving her advice on dating. That was all very odd.

865
00:40:25,290 --> 00:40:27,719
S1: That wasn't mentioned by name by Kendrick, but then Drake

866
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,210
S1: sort of brought her into it like this, did, then

867
00:40:30,210 --> 00:40:33,480
S1: bring in a lot of people who clearly weren't choosing

868
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,390
S1: to be a part of it. I'll admit that, like

869
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:38,580
S1: while it was going on, I wasn't saying this is

870
00:40:38,580 --> 00:40:40,200
S1: out of control. This is crazy. I just thought it

871
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,020
S1: was astonishing to see two of the biggest stars on

872
00:40:43,020 --> 00:40:46,980
S1: the planet just say stuff and be willing to say

873
00:40:46,980 --> 00:40:50,040
S1: it and double down and go after one another. And

874
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,920
S1: in some ways, I thought it was if you accept

875
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,169
S1: that a lot of rap and a lot of rap

876
00:40:55,170 --> 00:40:57,930
S1: beefs are kind of fictionalized, they're heightened and you just

877
00:40:57,930 --> 00:41:01,020
S1: sort of say exaggerated things to get attention. Didn't think

878
00:41:01,020 --> 00:41:03,150
S1: in the moment it was that out of control. But

879
00:41:03,150 --> 00:41:04,830
S1: when you look at it in the cold light of

880
00:41:04,860 --> 00:41:06,779
S1: day and you're like, oh, the body count is piled

881
00:41:06,780 --> 00:41:09,390
S1: up here, there's a lot of innocent parties to this

882
00:41:09,390 --> 00:41:13,920
S1: who just, like, would feel really shit about being used

883
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,399
S1: in this particular way. I guess that's how you feel, Mel.

884
00:41:18,430 --> 00:41:20,980
S1: Judging by what you were saying before, I really.

885
00:41:20,980 --> 00:41:23,890
S2: I was invested and enjoyed this when the attacks were

886
00:41:23,890 --> 00:41:28,000
S2: about each other's art, creativity, authenticity. But then all of

887
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,000
S2: a sudden, when these kind of wild claims got brought

888
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,210
S2: into it, it took a very dark turn. And on

889
00:41:34,210 --> 00:41:36,969
S2: one part, on one hand, I'm like, it's good that

890
00:41:36,969 --> 00:41:40,060
S2: being a kind of beating up your wife or having

891
00:41:40,060 --> 00:41:43,420
S2: sex with underage girls is considered bad, and that they're

892
00:41:43,420 --> 00:41:45,940
S2: saying it's a diss, like that's that's good on one level.

893
00:41:45,940 --> 00:41:50,620
S2: But there is something that feels quite wrong in weaponizing these,

894
00:41:50,620 --> 00:41:55,480
S2: these very serious kind of issues in, in a battle

895
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,570
S2: of this format. Like it's not really paying attention to

896
00:41:58,570 --> 00:42:01,150
S2: the victims in any way, and it's just using these

897
00:42:01,150 --> 00:42:03,130
S2: claims to kind of one up each other. I think

898
00:42:03,130 --> 00:42:06,670
S2: that's what is uncomfortable about it reducing these kind of

899
00:42:06,670 --> 00:42:09,250
S2: quite serious things to a disk, quote unquote.

900
00:42:09,250 --> 00:42:10,780
S1: And a lot of people have pointed out, you know,

901
00:42:10,780 --> 00:42:15,190
S1: for all of Drake's allegations about Kendrick being abusive, he

902
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:18,040
S1: is a very public supporter of Tory Lanez, who was

903
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,589
S1: convicted of shooting Megan Thee Stallion. Like, it's not like

904
00:42:20,590 --> 00:42:23,500
S1: Drake has moral high ground here necessarily. I wonder whether

905
00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:26,170
S1: part of it is also, you know, in an era

906
00:42:26,170 --> 00:42:28,450
S1: without the internet where people just sort of say vague

907
00:42:28,450 --> 00:42:31,360
S1: things about like, you're an abuser, you're this, you're that.

908
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,550
S1: It's sort of like it floats away and you don't

909
00:42:33,550 --> 00:42:35,830
S1: really know who they're talking about. If it's a specific thing,

910
00:42:35,830 --> 00:42:38,680
S1: is it a current thing? But as Thomas was saying earlier,

911
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,830
S1: now it's like this land of Easter eggs where you like, okay,

912
00:42:41,830 --> 00:42:45,130
S1: this is a reference to this particular individual. I've resurfaced

913
00:42:45,130 --> 00:42:47,170
S1: the TikTok video from 12 years ago. That's what this

914
00:42:47,170 --> 00:42:51,310
S1: is about. So you can actually name specific people who

915
00:42:51,310 --> 00:42:54,760
S1: rappers are maybe just intending to be metaphors or punchlines

916
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:55,990
S1: for a bigger point.

917
00:42:56,730 --> 00:43:00,030
S2: Yeah. I mean I am interested to about I guess

918
00:43:00,030 --> 00:43:01,710
S2: none of them are going to to the courts to

919
00:43:01,710 --> 00:43:04,080
S2: sue for libel, but it is kind of incredible the

920
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,660
S2: things you can, um, you can put inverse.

921
00:43:06,660 --> 00:43:09,089
S3: Yeah. I mean, it's it's gotten to a weird place.

922
00:43:09,090 --> 00:43:10,680
S3: And I think, you know, one of the big criticisms

923
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,709
S3: has been like, you know, if if Kendrick has long

924
00:43:13,710 --> 00:43:16,140
S3: suspected it or has information that Drake is running a

925
00:43:16,140 --> 00:43:18,540
S3: sex trafficking ring in his Toronto mansion, like, why hasn't

926
00:43:18,540 --> 00:43:20,460
S3: he brought this up earlier with the authorities and not

927
00:43:20,460 --> 00:43:23,040
S3: saved it for a rap beef? And like, similar with Drake,

928
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,169
S3: you know, like if he has proof that Kendrick like

929
00:43:25,170 --> 00:43:27,390
S3: it's obviously these things would never happen. But it's just

930
00:43:27,390 --> 00:43:31,049
S3: like when you think about the seriousness of these allegations

931
00:43:31,050 --> 00:43:32,370
S3: and they're only ever being brought up for the.

932
00:43:32,370 --> 00:43:33,780
S2: Snitches get stitches. Tom.

933
00:43:33,780 --> 00:43:35,610
S1: Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, like I think that's part

934
00:43:35,610 --> 00:43:37,650
S1: of it. Also, it's like they wouldn't go to the police,

935
00:43:37,650 --> 00:43:39,239
S1: but they want to sort of prove that they know

936
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,940
S1: these things and that they're better than the other person.

937
00:43:41,940 --> 00:43:44,190
S1: But yeah, okay. Maybe for like a sex trafficking ring,

938
00:43:44,190 --> 00:43:47,670
S1: if Kendrick really thinks there's like 114 year olds in

939
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:52,080
S1: Drake's mansion, maybe don't sit on that until 2024. You know, until.

940
00:43:52,170 --> 00:43:53,819
S3: You happen to find yourself in a rap beef where

941
00:43:53,820 --> 00:43:55,980
S3: it would make for a really convenient punchline. So I

942
00:43:55,980 --> 00:43:58,260
S3: think that can, combined with the fact that it all

943
00:43:58,260 --> 00:44:02,700
S3: just got so dark, like, I'm not like us, you know? Yeah,

944
00:44:02,700 --> 00:44:05,160
S3: as I said, I think we've both been very, you know,

945
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,310
S3: keen observers and enjoying this for what it was. But

946
00:44:08,310 --> 00:44:11,010
S3: everyone I know that was really into it found themselves

947
00:44:11,010 --> 00:44:12,719
S3: increasingly like, it's like, how do you how are you

948
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,149
S3: supposed to respond to this? Like, I was genuinely really

949
00:44:15,150 --> 00:44:17,819
S3: interested to hear each new track, but as they got

950
00:44:17,820 --> 00:44:19,830
S3: more and more like, you know, there was more and

951
00:44:19,830 --> 00:44:22,260
S3: more collateral damage piling up, I was like, oh, I

952
00:44:22,260 --> 00:44:24,989
S3: don't know quite how to feel. At the end of

953
00:44:24,989 --> 00:44:28,049
S3: the day, when you look at the reality of this feud, like,

954
00:44:28,050 --> 00:44:32,040
S3: as I've said earlier, Drake belongs to Universal Music, and

955
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,790
S3: Kendrick in 2020 signed a publishing deal with Universal Music,

956
00:44:35,790 --> 00:44:38,160
S3: so his music is distributed by them. So at the

957
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,410
S3: end of the day, both of these guys are making

958
00:44:40,410 --> 00:44:42,660
S3: money for the same company, which renders the whole thing

959
00:44:42,660 --> 00:44:45,720
S3: a little bit crazy. Like if you check the stream count,

960
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,150
S3: these songs are like rocketing up. These guys are making

961
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:50,850
S3: bank off this, even as all these people who didn't

962
00:44:50,850 --> 00:44:53,730
S3: ask to be involved are now dragged into it. But really,

963
00:44:53,730 --> 00:44:57,660
S3: it's universal music, this enormous conglomeration that's like the only

964
00:44:57,660 --> 00:44:58,620
S3: one winning well.

965
00:44:58,620 --> 00:45:00,360
S2: And both of them, and like we've talked about it

966
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,060
S2: quite a bit on the pod about hip hop's kind

967
00:45:03,060 --> 00:45:05,250
S2: of how you often speak about how there's not much

968
00:45:05,250 --> 00:45:07,020
S2: going on in hip hop that you find exciting, and

969
00:45:07,020 --> 00:45:08,549
S2: all of a sudden, look at us, we're talking about

970
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:10,410
S2: hip hop. It's exciting. So yeah, I'm sorry.

971
00:45:10,410 --> 00:45:12,060
S1: To all my country friends, I'm out.

972
00:45:12,060 --> 00:45:15,870
S3: I'm out until Morgan Wallen, like, smashes Luke Combs in

973
00:45:15,870 --> 00:45:16,739
S3: the head with a guitar.

974
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,470
S1: Well, the other the other rapper that's weighed in on

975
00:45:19,469 --> 00:45:21,990
S1: this one who's also signed to universal is Vince Staples,

976
00:45:21,989 --> 00:45:24,779
S1: who is sort of like the conscience of of our

977
00:45:24,780 --> 00:45:27,390
S1: times right now. He he sort of made the point. Look,

978
00:45:27,390 --> 00:45:29,549
S1: universal is making coin of all of this. Universal has

979
00:45:29,550 --> 00:45:31,800
S1: collapsed all these labels that brought up that really cared

980
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,190
S1: about black music, black communities, they don't care about that anymore.

981
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:37,469
S1: Hip hop is struggling like this is a real thing.

982
00:45:37,469 --> 00:45:39,660
S1: I think the other part of this, I think you're right, Mel, that,

983
00:45:39,660 --> 00:45:41,940
S1: you know, hip hop is in a not very strong

984
00:45:41,940 --> 00:45:44,969
S1: position in, in the US, at least right now. And

985
00:45:44,969 --> 00:45:46,860
S1: a large part of that or a significant part of

986
00:45:46,860 --> 00:45:49,140
S1: that has to do with the way that music labels

987
00:45:49,140 --> 00:45:52,469
S1: are just not nurturing or supporting or encouraging talent in

988
00:45:52,469 --> 00:45:54,210
S1: the way that they used to, partly because there aren't

989
00:45:54,210 --> 00:45:57,690
S1: that many specific hip hop labels left. And Vince is saying,

990
00:45:57,690 --> 00:46:00,000
S1: you know, hey, Taylor Swift's got clout. You know what

991
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,730
S1: she talks about? She talks about the plight of artists

992
00:46:02,730 --> 00:46:05,250
S1: and how to get more money for artists. These guys

993
00:46:05,250 --> 00:46:09,510
S1: have enormous power and money and profile, and they are

994
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:12,180
S1: not talking about any of these issues that impact the

995
00:46:12,180 --> 00:46:14,460
S1: wider hip hop scene, which I thought was a really

996
00:46:14,460 --> 00:46:17,310
S1: interesting and really sharp observation from a guy also signed

997
00:46:17,310 --> 00:46:19,620
S1: to universal who sort of willing to call it out.

998
00:46:19,620 --> 00:46:21,870
S2: Yeah, I mean, Vince, one of me, and maybe that

999
00:46:21,870 --> 00:46:24,810
S2: will be the rapper I nail my colours to. Um,

1000
00:46:24,810 --> 00:46:27,390
S2: can I ask if you had someone from out like

1001
00:46:27,390 --> 00:46:30,150
S2: someone left field was to join this feud? It can

1002
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:32,279
S2: be anyone. Who would you like to see kind of

1003
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:33,509
S2: weigh in now at this stage?

1004
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:36,000
S1: Well, one of the other funniest bits, as well as J.

1005
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,609
S1: Cole sort of tapping out, was like the 48 hours

1006
00:46:38,610 --> 00:46:41,640
S1: that Kanye West was involved, where he released a remix

1007
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,200
S1: of Like That and it opened with like, you know,

1008
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,750
S1: k-dot I Got You. And it just was terrible. And

1009
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:47,700
S1: I think it got deleted because he didn't. It wasn't

1010
00:46:47,700 --> 00:46:50,549
S1: a proper remix and future, and everyone was like, get

1011
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:52,770
S1: out of this, dude, we don't need you involved in

1012
00:46:52,770 --> 00:46:53,790
S1: this right now.

1013
00:46:53,820 --> 00:46:56,670
S3: I already know my answer. And he actually did involve

1014
00:46:56,670 --> 00:46:59,310
S3: himself last night. Does anyone here remember your boy bangs?

1015
00:46:59,310 --> 00:46:59,790
S1: Yeah.

1016
00:46:59,790 --> 00:47:02,640
S3: Of course. Yeah. I then take you to the movie. Yeah, yeah.

1017
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,540
S3: He released a diss track to Drake last night. Uh, so,

1018
00:47:06,540 --> 00:47:09,120
S3: I mean, if you remember bangs and his very odd

1019
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,180
S3: viral hit take you to the movies, Shorty, uh, then

1020
00:47:12,180 --> 00:47:14,370
S3: the the diss track to Drake is in much the

1021
00:47:14,370 --> 00:47:18,060
S3: same nature. It's, uh, very hard to read and follow, but, yeah,

1022
00:47:18,060 --> 00:47:20,700
S3: I mean, it's it's bringing in everyone from all corners

1023
00:47:20,700 --> 00:47:24,060
S3: of hip hop. But perhaps most surprisingly, this artist actually

1024
00:47:24,060 --> 00:47:26,520
S3: did involve himself. Someone I never would have thought been

1025
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,500
S3: mentioned in the same breath. But Macklemore.

1026
00:47:28,500 --> 00:47:32,100
S1: Yeah, this was so interesting because Macklemore has already sort

1027
00:47:32,100 --> 00:47:34,950
S1: of been weirdly involved in Drake Kendrick's life. He won

1028
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:37,950
S1: the Grammy like ten years ago. He beat good kid

1029
00:47:37,950 --> 00:47:40,020
S1: Mad City, he beat a Drake record as well, and

1030
00:47:40,020 --> 00:47:41,850
S1: he famously shared a screenshot of a text he sent

1031
00:47:41,850 --> 00:47:44,910
S1: to Kendrick saying, I'm sorry, you deserve to win. And

1032
00:47:44,910 --> 00:47:50,880
S1: he released this really intense song, uh, this week about the, uh,

1033
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,600
S1: not just Israel's invasion of Gaza and the amount of,

1034
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:59,319
S1: you know, death and destruction. In Gaza, but also really

1035
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,540
S1: blew up at the US government, told everyone he wasn't

1036
00:48:01,540 --> 00:48:04,540
S1: going to vote for Biden, defended the student protests, discussed

1037
00:48:04,540 --> 00:48:07,509
S1: Israel being an apartheid state. He went really, really hard

1038
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:11,380
S1: on this issue and also kind of took a pretty,

1039
00:48:11,380 --> 00:48:13,060
S1: you know, it was a quick shot, but it was

1040
00:48:13,060 --> 00:48:15,100
S1: a shot at both Drake and Kendrick, essentially. Like, you

1041
00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:19,390
S1: guys are wasting time arguing with each other over nothing real. Meanwhile,

1042
00:48:19,390 --> 00:48:23,170
S1: there's people dying and there's student protests happening in America

1043
00:48:23,170 --> 00:48:25,690
S1: right now where police are, you know, cracking down on

1044
00:48:25,690 --> 00:48:26,410
S1: freedom of speech.

1045
00:48:26,590 --> 00:48:28,990
S9: What happens to the artists, what you gotta say, if

1046
00:48:28,989 --> 00:48:31,270
S9: I was on a label, you could drop me today.

1047
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:33,820
S9: I'd be fine with it. Cause the heart fed my page.

1048
00:48:33,820 --> 00:48:36,520
S9: I want a cease fire. A response from Drake.

1049
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,670
S1: What you're willing to risk felt like a pretty hard

1050
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:43,540
S1: pivot from Macklemore. Not necessarily what I expected, but people

1051
00:48:43,540 --> 00:48:46,090
S1: have pointed out that he's done this for a while.

1052
00:48:46,090 --> 00:48:48,910
S1: This is kind of what modern Macklemore does. He talks

1053
00:48:48,910 --> 00:48:51,460
S1: about white privilege and politics. I was sort of out

1054
00:48:51,460 --> 00:48:54,489
S1: of the loop on his pivot, but he really injected

1055
00:48:54,489 --> 00:48:55,810
S1: himself into this one.

1056
00:48:55,810 --> 00:48:57,940
S3: Yeah, I mean, the Macklemore thing was a really weird

1057
00:48:57,940 --> 00:49:00,759
S3: addition to an increasingly strange story. But yeah, I think

1058
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,250
S3: what's most curious now is that basically, I guess this

1059
00:49:03,250 --> 00:49:06,580
S3: is the longest amount of breath we've had since the weekend.

1060
00:49:06,580 --> 00:49:09,250
S3: Like Drake released The Heart Part six on Monday morning,

1061
00:49:09,250 --> 00:49:11,890
S3: and I think pretty much everyone saw it as a,

1062
00:49:11,890 --> 00:49:14,470
S3: you know, quiet retreat. Um, he kind of tried to

1063
00:49:14,469 --> 00:49:16,600
S3: be like, okay, whatever, man, I'm not doing this with

1064
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,819
S3: you anymore. And then since then, we haven't heard anything

1065
00:49:18,820 --> 00:49:21,850
S3: from either artist outside of, you know, this alleged shooting

1066
00:49:21,850 --> 00:49:24,400
S3: at Drake's house on Wednesday morning. So I guess most

1067
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,460
S3: people are, I think, accepting and kind of secretly hoping

1068
00:49:27,460 --> 00:49:30,160
S3: that the feud is over. I don't know if it

1069
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,830
S3: needs any more chapters. And I think, you know, knowing

1070
00:49:32,830 --> 00:49:35,710
S3: Kendrick as I do, that I can't imagine him needing

1071
00:49:35,710 --> 00:49:38,530
S3: to weigh back in now. Like it seems pretty obvious

1072
00:49:38,530 --> 00:49:42,940
S3: that he, you know, like, rapped and exposed Drake into submission.

1073
00:49:42,940 --> 00:49:45,430
S3: And I think it's for the best for everyone involved,

1074
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:48,850
S3: including the audience. And everyone mentioned that this feud is

1075
00:49:48,850 --> 00:49:52,090
S3: over now. It was definitely a bizarre and interesting and

1076
00:49:52,090 --> 00:49:55,480
S3: revealing moment in hip hop history, and no doubt we'll

1077
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,820
S3: continue to kind of like dissect it. But yeah, I

1078
00:49:57,820 --> 00:50:00,580
S3: personally would be so shocked if, you know, like in

1079
00:50:00,580 --> 00:50:02,200
S3: two days time you text me and you're like, oh

1080
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:03,759
S3: my God. Kendrick just dropped again.

1081
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,640
S1: I agree, and I actually think that maybe Macklemore has helped.

1082
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,440
S1: Just like put the nail in the coffin on this

1083
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,030
S1: one as well. I think, you know, he sort of

1084
00:50:10,030 --> 00:50:13,120
S1: just said, look, guys, this thing's going on. He's sort of,

1085
00:50:13,390 --> 00:50:16,090
S1: you know, I think mainstream commercial hip hop in America

1086
00:50:16,090 --> 00:50:19,270
S1: has been missing that political edge for a while. I mean,

1087
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:22,900
S1: Tupac was so good at being able to throw shots

1088
00:50:22,900 --> 00:50:25,299
S1: at East Coast rappers and then also talk about what

1089
00:50:25,300 --> 00:50:27,820
S1: was going on in the world and, and American imperialism

1090
00:50:27,820 --> 00:50:31,210
S1: and whatever. And, and Macklemore of all people saying, all right, guys,

1091
00:50:31,210 --> 00:50:34,390
S1: let's talk about real shit again. Could be the coda

1092
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:36,880
S1: on this one and kind of just usher in a

1093
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:42,279
S1: new conversation about many different and perhaps less personal, uh,

1094
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,580
S1: topics that these guys were trading shots on. It's a

1095
00:50:45,580 --> 00:50:48,550
S1: bit of a heel turn. This next topic. Not really

1096
00:50:48,550 --> 00:50:52,569
S1: an easy way to segue from Kendrick, Drake and Macklemore

1097
00:50:52,570 --> 00:50:54,819
S1: to Dua Lipa. I guess it's music related, but on

1098
00:50:54,820 --> 00:50:56,440
S1: the other end of the spectrum was one of the

1099
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:01,660
S1: most highly anticipated releases this year. Dua Lipa's Radical Optimism,

1100
00:51:01,660 --> 00:51:04,330
S1: the follow up to her very fun and critically acclaimed

1101
00:51:04,330 --> 00:51:08,080
S1: 2020 album Future Nostalgia. The first single on Radical Optimism

1102
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:08,920
S1: was Houdini.

1103
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,820
UU: Tell me all the ways you need me. I'm not

1104
00:51:15,820 --> 00:51:19,640
UU: here for long. Catch me or I go, Whodini, I

1105
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,950
UU: come and I go. Prove you've got the right to

1106
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:27,590
UU: please me. Everybody knows. Catch me or I go Whodini

1107
00:51:27,950 --> 00:51:30,170
UU: time is passing like a solid.

1108
00:51:30,170 --> 00:51:34,370
S1: Produced by Australia's own Kevin Parker, Tame Impala. I didn't

1109
00:51:34,370 --> 00:51:37,430
S1: love this track, but then when the album came out

1110
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:39,740
S1: last week and I listened to it a few times,

1111
00:51:39,739 --> 00:51:42,469
S1: it's maybe the best song on it, which I think

1112
00:51:42,469 --> 00:51:46,160
S1: sums up how I feel about this album. Very flat

1113
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,950
S1: record to me. I think, especially following the kind of

1114
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:52,009
S1: disco club vibes of Future Nostalgia had so many bangers

1115
00:51:52,010 --> 00:51:55,070
S1: levitating physical, I don't even know if this one like

1116
00:51:55,070 --> 00:51:58,040
S1: is a full, proper pop album. There's a couple of

1117
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,920
S1: pop songs, but do you guys remember adult contemporary where

1118
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,890
S1: you're just like, this is a person making noise, and

1119
00:52:03,890 --> 00:52:05,480
S1: it's sort of nice to have in the background, but

1120
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,600
S1: it's not doing or saying much. Well, I know that

1121
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,040
S1: you were hyped for this one, but how do you

1122
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:10,940
S1: feel about it?

1123
00:52:10,940 --> 00:52:13,100
S2: I was so hyped for this, and there was a

1124
00:52:13,100 --> 00:52:15,440
S2: lot of kind of chat around it because from, um,

1125
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,500
S2: Dance the Night Dua's song for Barbie, there was the

1126
00:52:18,500 --> 00:52:21,739
S2: very symbolic shattering of the disco ball at the end

1127
00:52:21,739 --> 00:52:24,350
S2: of that, which was meant to represent the end of

1128
00:52:24,350 --> 00:52:27,049
S2: Dua's disco era. And in the lead up to the

1129
00:52:27,050 --> 00:52:29,060
S2: release of this album, she'd kind of been making all

1130
00:52:29,060 --> 00:52:33,620
S2: these claims about what had inspired the album Primal Scream,

1131
00:52:33,620 --> 00:52:36,770
S2: Brit pop. Um, it was kind of low slung British

1132
00:52:36,770 --> 00:52:40,160
S2: source material. So it kind of she was flagging that

1133
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,950
S2: this was going to be a reinvention. And then when

1134
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:45,739
S2: I listened to to this album, I just don't think

1135
00:52:45,739 --> 00:52:47,510
S2: it's a reinvention at all. There is a lot of

1136
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:50,239
S2: classic Dua on there, but without the kind of sparkle

1137
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,870
S2: of future nostalgia. But it's not a complete pivot. I

1138
00:52:53,870 --> 00:52:55,850
S2: don't think for her and I agree with you. I

1139
00:52:55,850 --> 00:52:58,670
S2: was like, actually, really like the first three songs of

1140
00:52:58,670 --> 00:53:01,220
S2: this album, end of an era, Whodini, you mentioned, and

1141
00:53:01,219 --> 00:53:04,430
S2: Training Season, and then it kind of goes into this

1142
00:53:04,610 --> 00:53:08,299
S2: pivot to a more muffled sound, a very kind of

1143
00:53:08,300 --> 00:53:12,049
S2: Tame Impala. Kevin Parker, who produced this record, sound in

1144
00:53:12,050 --> 00:53:15,590
S2: songs like Kind of French Exit and These Walls. They're

1145
00:53:15,590 --> 00:53:17,510
S2: shades of Dua again in all of them, but they're

1146
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:19,760
S2: a lot more kind of drawn back. And then at

1147
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,440
S2: the end of this album, there are these real like

1148
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:26,180
S2: Eurovision bangers, these like kind of really big ballady sounds,

1149
00:53:26,180 --> 00:53:28,880
S2: which some people love. But I much prefer Dua when

1150
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,740
S2: she's like kind of when it's all in the vocals

1151
00:53:30,739 --> 00:53:34,129
S2: and it's all in that, that really vibrant dance beat.

1152
00:53:34,130 --> 00:53:35,720
S2: So yeah, I thought there were highs and lows on

1153
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,759
S2: this album, but kind of agree with you that it

1154
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,420
S2: wasn't the it wasn't the amazing sparkly record that I

1155
00:53:41,420 --> 00:53:43,100
S2: kind of thought might be coming our way.

1156
00:53:43,810 --> 00:53:46,540
S3: Yeah, I didn't really vibe at all. Um, our colleague

1157
00:53:46,540 --> 00:53:48,730
S3: Rob Moran was so excited for this one, and he

1158
00:53:48,730 --> 00:53:52,239
S3: just looked so crestfallen after having listened to it, because,

1159
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,100
S3: I mean, this is this was the big year for like,

1160
00:53:54,100 --> 00:53:56,800
S3: all these, like, massive pop albums that were previewed it.

1161
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:57,670
S1: I think at the start of the.

1162
00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:59,770
S3: Year, I know, and this just feels like such a

1163
00:53:59,770 --> 00:54:03,430
S3: limp like addition to that, you know, list. Yeah, like

1164
00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:05,080
S3: I feel like Dua Lipa has been kind of untouchable

1165
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,090
S3: for a while, and then it just makes you wonder,

1166
00:54:07,090 --> 00:54:10,090
S3: like when you when you like in the studio, all

1167
00:54:10,090 --> 00:54:11,860
S3: these different people and you listen through this album, how

1168
00:54:11,860 --> 00:54:13,960
S3: is no one sitting there being like, I don't know,

1169
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,700
S3: maybe they must think it's all really good, I don't know.

1170
00:54:15,820 --> 00:54:18,100
S1: Yeah, there's some chat that, like her dad who's taken

1171
00:54:18,100 --> 00:54:21,310
S1: over her management, maybe isn't sort of playing the the

1172
00:54:21,310 --> 00:54:23,770
S1: best role he should be. I agree 100% on this.

1173
00:54:23,770 --> 00:54:26,560
S1: Like there should be some label ainars in here being like, okay,

1174
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:27,850
S1: you want to do some of this? That's cool. But like,

1175
00:54:27,850 --> 00:54:29,620
S1: where are the hits? Like the point of a pop

1176
00:54:29,620 --> 00:54:32,110
S1: record is you need some hits and this just doesn't have.

1177
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:34,550
S3: Yeah. And that's why you need to bring in Tedros.

1178
00:54:34,580 --> 00:54:38,120
S2: Tedros and that hit factory.

1179
00:54:38,420 --> 00:54:40,580
S1: Um, talking about hits though, there is like a hit

1180
00:54:40,580 --> 00:54:43,730
S1: I'm really enjoying right now. Uh, Sabrina Carpenter, who we

1181
00:54:43,730 --> 00:54:47,359
S1: all saw when she opened for Taylor Swift, her song espresso.

1182
00:54:48,170 --> 00:54:51,980
UU: Now, here's the thing about me every night. Oh, is

1183
00:54:51,980 --> 00:54:55,220
UU: it that sweet? Like a song. So you can't sleep,

1184
00:54:55,219 --> 00:55:03,580
UU: baby I know that's that means so. Nintendo. So you

1185
00:55:03,580 --> 00:55:04,120
UU: can see.

1186
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,330
S1: This feels like the song of northern Hemisphere summer. People

1187
00:55:09,330 --> 00:55:13,710
S1: are loving this song. I'm loving this song. Uh, it's

1188
00:55:13,710 --> 00:55:15,569
S1: very fun. It feels like it should be on on

1189
00:55:15,570 --> 00:55:18,569
S1: a duo record. You guys, you guys that that me

1190
00:55:18,570 --> 00:55:19,950
S1: espresso your vibe in it.

1191
00:55:19,950 --> 00:55:22,200
S2: Man, I love it. I've listened to that song though,

1192
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,260
S2: so many times. And still I can only be like, no, no, no.

1193
00:55:25,260 --> 00:55:28,140
S2: Espresso like that is the only line. I can still

1194
00:55:28,380 --> 00:55:29,009
S2: switch it up like.

1195
00:55:29,010 --> 00:55:29,790
S1: Nintendo.

1196
00:55:29,940 --> 00:55:31,710
S2: You know, I mean, Nintendo Switch.

1197
00:55:31,980 --> 00:55:35,370
S1: Yeah. There's also like, I was staying out late because

1198
00:55:35,370 --> 00:55:37,740
S1: I'm a singer or something like that. It's very funny.

1199
00:55:37,739 --> 00:55:40,650
S1: It's like very self-aware, funny lyrics and very catchy at

1200
00:55:40,650 --> 00:55:41,040
S1: the same time.

1201
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,560
S2: You know, like, don't give a fuck era. I really,

1202
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,110
S2: I love Sabrina Carpenter. I liked nonsense too. I know

1203
00:55:46,110 --> 00:55:47,940
S2: a lot of people don't didn't really get her vibe,

1204
00:55:47,940 --> 00:55:50,760
S2: but I think she's very funny and interesting and is

1205
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,070
S2: kind of more edgy and risky in her lyrics and

1206
00:55:53,070 --> 00:55:56,100
S2: her performance. Um, than probably Taylor is.

1207
00:55:56,100 --> 00:55:57,840
S1: Yeah, I think she could. She could be on the

1208
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,880
S1: cusp of blowing up. She does this really fun thing

1209
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:02,489
S1: on her tour where she sort of adds an extra

1210
00:56:02,489 --> 00:56:04,620
S1: verse at the end of her set to reference where

1211
00:56:04,620 --> 00:56:07,410
S1: she's at, and sometimes it's pretty saucy. It's cool. I

1212
00:56:07,410 --> 00:56:10,440
S1: think she's fun and interesting and the song is really catchy.

1213
00:56:10,620 --> 00:56:13,290
S1: Are you are you bumping this one time itch?

1214
00:56:13,290 --> 00:56:15,299
S3: Yeah, I really like it. I like Sabrina too. I

1215
00:56:15,300 --> 00:56:17,670
S3: feel like she's like having a bit of a moment. Um,

1216
00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:19,589
S3: so she was also at the Met Gala yesterday along

1217
00:56:19,590 --> 00:56:21,570
S3: with Barry? Um, yeah. Barry.

1218
00:56:21,930 --> 00:56:22,739
S1: Partner, if.

1219
00:56:22,739 --> 00:56:25,470
S3: People don't know. Yes. Correct. Um, yeah, I think she's

1220
00:56:25,469 --> 00:56:28,379
S3: she's good. You can just see like, the trajectory she's on.

1221
00:56:28,469 --> 00:56:31,560
S3: Obviously she toured here with Taylor Swift recently. Um, sadly,

1222
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,390
S3: I did not get to see her because her set

1223
00:56:33,390 --> 00:56:34,350
S3: was rained out.

1224
00:56:34,590 --> 00:56:35,850
S1: Oh, true.

1225
00:56:35,850 --> 00:56:38,580
S3: Electrical storm. But everyone, everyone that I had spoken to,

1226
00:56:38,580 --> 00:56:40,080
S3: all the Swifties who had gone, you know, like, every

1227
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:43,380
S3: single night were like, you know, raving about Sabrina Carpenter, um,

1228
00:56:43,380 --> 00:56:44,910
S3: as much as they were Taylor. So I feel like

1229
00:56:44,910 --> 00:56:47,280
S3: she's she's really on one. She's about to or just

1230
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,350
S3: is the musical act on SNL.

1231
00:56:49,350 --> 00:56:51,510
S2: And her Coachella set went kind of off as well.

1232
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:54,180
S2: People raved about it. Barry was there watching. Yeah, she's.

1233
00:56:54,180 --> 00:56:56,339
S3: Collecting like all the pop culture rings you need when

1234
00:56:56,340 --> 00:56:58,710
S3: you're on the way to being like, the next big thing. Um,

1235
00:56:58,710 --> 00:57:01,200
S3: and then obviously she will enter into a feud with

1236
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,870
S3: Olivia Rodrigo that we will then talk about. Um, I

1237
00:57:03,870 --> 00:57:06,420
S3: think she has, hasn't she? Yeah. But like a proper

1238
00:57:06,420 --> 00:57:08,819
S3: public one where Olivia Rodrigo is like, I don't know,

1239
00:57:08,820 --> 00:57:11,160
S3: revealed to be. Oh, I see you were alien or Drake.

1240
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,319
S1: Kendrick thing, and I stepped on it. I'm sorry, I'm sorry,

1241
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,900
S1: but I think they sort of threw, um, barbs at

1242
00:57:15,900 --> 00:57:19,290
S1: each other over driver's license. Is that is that what happened?

1243
00:57:19,290 --> 00:57:21,360
S3: Yeah. They did. Um, because I think there was also

1244
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,970
S3: an accusation of a shared boyfriend, uh, or something.

1245
00:57:23,970 --> 00:57:26,880
S1: That's pretty hectic. That is. We're talking Drake. Kendrick level. Mel,

1246
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,650
S1: where were you when that was going on? Not complaining

1247
00:57:28,650 --> 00:57:29,430
S1: about collateral damage.

1248
00:57:29,550 --> 00:57:30,570
S2: Exactly. You guys.

1249
00:57:31,050 --> 00:57:33,360
S3: It really is the winter of discontent.

1250
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,120
S2: Oh, nice. Thank you. I'm glad you've stooped to my request.

1251
00:57:36,750 --> 00:57:38,730
S1: All right, movie time. Guys. There's been a lot of

1252
00:57:38,730 --> 00:57:42,330
S1: discourse in entertainment news around the release of the new

1253
00:57:42,330 --> 00:57:45,420
S1: Ryan Gosling Emily Blunt action comedy, The Fall Guy, which

1254
00:57:45,420 --> 00:57:48,060
S1: was filmed in Sydney, Australia.

1255
00:57:49,650 --> 00:57:53,850
S10: That's me. Colt Seavers. And this is my hero's journey.

1256
00:57:58,690 --> 00:58:00,190
S11: Can we just start from the top?

1257
00:58:02,890 --> 00:58:04,959
S10: What do you want it? Okay. I'm not the hero

1258
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:10,450
S10: of this story. I'm just a stunt guy trying to

1259
00:58:10,450 --> 00:58:12,700
S10: look cool in front of the director of this movie.

1260
00:58:12,970 --> 00:58:13,810
S10: That's her.

1261
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:15,430
S1: It's been a slow start to the year in terms

1262
00:58:15,430 --> 00:58:19,000
S1: of box office numbers. And I think after the massive

1263
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:23,080
S1: Bodenheimer induced high of 2023, studios and cinema chains are

1264
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,470
S1: kind of really desperately craving some big releases to get

1265
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:29,920
S1: people back into the movies. This was an expensive film.

1266
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,430
S1: It cost 150 million USD to make. It's got big stars,

1267
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:36,220
S1: big action set pieces in it, so there's a bit

1268
00:58:36,220 --> 00:58:39,640
S1: riding on it. We'll talk about its performance and what

1269
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,560
S1: that might mean for Hollywood in a minute, but let's

1270
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,420
S1: talk about the film and kind of interested to get

1271
00:58:43,420 --> 00:58:46,630
S1: your takes on it as well. It's a loose adaptation

1272
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:49,210
S1: of the 1980s TV series of the same name starring

1273
00:58:49,210 --> 00:58:51,280
S1: Lee majors. I never watched it. I just know Lee

1274
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,290
S1: majors because he was in a Simpsons episode. I think

1275
00:58:53,290 --> 00:58:55,960
S1: Marge had a big crush on him. Um, the movie's

1276
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,350
S1: directed by David Leitch. He's a former stuntman himself. He

1277
00:58:59,350 --> 00:59:02,620
S1: co-directed the first John Wick film, directed Deadpool two, the

1278
00:59:02,620 --> 00:59:05,140
S1: Fast and Furious spin off Hobbs and Shaw, and most recently,

1279
00:59:05,140 --> 00:59:08,290
S1: the Brad Pitt starring Bullet Train. This film really is

1280
00:59:08,290 --> 00:59:11,590
S1: a love letter to stunt performers. It stars Ryan Gosling

1281
00:59:11,590 --> 00:59:14,650
S1: as a stuntman who, after quitting his job after getting

1282
00:59:14,650 --> 00:59:17,800
S1: into an accident on set, is convinced to get back

1283
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:21,760
S1: in the game, working on his ex-girlfriend's directorial debut action

1284
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:26,020
S1: film that's played by Emily Blunt. The movie's filming in Australia.

1285
00:59:26,020 --> 00:59:28,720
S1: When he gets there, he finds himself involved in a

1286
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:34,150
S1: conspiracy surrounding the disappearance of the film's lead actor, Aaron Taylor-Johnson.

1287
00:59:34,150 --> 00:59:38,260
S1: The film also stars Hannah Waddingham from Ted Lasso, Teresa Palmer,

1288
00:59:38,260 --> 00:59:41,350
S1: Stephanie Sue and Winston Duke. The movie is basically a

1289
00:59:41,350 --> 00:59:44,170
S1: love story between Gosling and Blunt, with a lot of action,

1290
00:59:44,170 --> 00:59:46,870
S1: a lot of stunts, a lot of fun references to

1291
00:59:46,870 --> 00:59:49,330
S1: cinema and pop culture in there. I would describe it

1292
00:59:49,330 --> 00:59:53,050
S1: as like, thoroughly entertaining, pretty fun, but not like a

1293
00:59:53,050 --> 00:59:56,800
S1: transcendent movie. I thought Gosling in particular was really great,

1294
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,890
S1: and Emily Blunt was good, but her character does not

1295
00:59:59,890 --> 01:00:04,090
S1: have a lot to do or much depth in this film.

1296
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:06,190
S1: I had a good time in the cinema, but I

1297
01:00:06,190 --> 01:00:08,410
S1: don't know if I describe it as a must watch. Uh,

1298
01:00:08,410 --> 01:00:10,420
S1: what did you guys make of The Fall Guy?

1299
01:00:10,870 --> 01:00:13,180
S2: I did not have a good time in the cinema. Oh, really?

1300
01:00:13,210 --> 01:00:15,130
S2: I didn't I really wanted to like it. In fact,

1301
01:00:15,130 --> 01:00:17,440
S2: I sat down next to Thomas and I said to him,

1302
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,810
S2: I'm really happy. Like I was in the right headspace

1303
01:00:19,810 --> 01:00:22,000
S2: to watch it. And I kept thinking about this. This

1304
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:23,440
S2: one time I was going to my friend's house and

1305
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:25,480
S2: we all had to bring a dessert, and I decided

1306
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,060
S2: I would make an Eton mess, which is just like

1307
01:00:28,060 --> 01:00:30,580
S2: a strategically, it looks like a mess, but it isn't

1308
01:00:30,580 --> 01:00:32,800
S2: a mess and it tastes delicious. And when I ended

1309
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:34,780
S2: up making it, it turned out just a mess. Like,

1310
01:00:34,780 --> 01:00:37,540
S2: look like something that someone had eaten and then regurgitated.

1311
01:00:37,540 --> 01:00:40,660
S2: And I kind of felt like watching this. I was like,

1312
01:00:40,660 --> 01:00:43,090
S2: someone thought this would be a good idea, but it

1313
01:00:43,090 --> 01:00:45,970
S2: just turned out to be a bit of a mess. I,

1314
01:00:45,970 --> 01:00:48,910
S2: I didn't enjoy it. There was too much action. Like,

1315
01:00:48,910 --> 01:00:52,060
S2: I understand it's a love letter to to to stunts,

1316
01:00:52,060 --> 01:00:56,320
S2: but there was so much spectacle and no story. Gosling's

1317
01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:00,760
S2: character was confusing and seemed undercooked. Um, to be honest,

1318
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,730
S2: I was probably most alert during the credits when they

1319
01:01:03,730 --> 01:01:06,310
S2: were showing the real footage of the stunts being made,

1320
01:01:06,310 --> 01:01:08,530
S2: and I and I actually thought, wow, I think I

1321
01:01:08,530 --> 01:01:11,350
S2: would actually prefer to watch a documentary about making this

1322
01:01:11,350 --> 01:01:14,590
S2: film than this film. I just did not enjoy it.

1323
01:01:14,590 --> 01:01:17,590
S3: I kind of feel the same. I actually think, like,

1324
01:01:17,590 --> 01:01:19,750
S3: I'm really surprised you said you thought Gosling was good.

1325
01:01:19,750 --> 01:01:22,750
S3: I thought he was bad, like, I love I mean,

1326
01:01:22,750 --> 01:01:24,520
S3: we all love the Gosling, and he's kind of like

1327
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,290
S3: on a bit of a heater off the back of

1328
01:01:26,290 --> 01:01:29,020
S3: Barbie and this kind of comedy era. And I just

1329
01:01:29,020 --> 01:01:31,780
S3: thought he was like the first 15 minutes especially. I

1330
01:01:31,780 --> 01:01:34,510
S3: was like, wow. He is like not making me laugh.

1331
01:01:34,510 --> 01:01:36,370
S3: And this is someone who I think normally can take

1332
01:01:36,370 --> 01:01:39,010
S3: a really poor script. And just with his like Gosling

1333
01:01:39,010 --> 01:01:41,740
S3: delivery can make it funny. And so I don't know

1334
01:01:41,740 --> 01:01:43,330
S3: if it's an indictment on the script, but I thought

1335
01:01:43,330 --> 01:01:45,640
S3: both he my biggest issue with the film was that

1336
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,580
S3: the chemistry between the two leads, Ryan Gosling and Emily Blunt, was, like,

1337
01:01:48,580 --> 01:01:51,340
S3: near non-existent for me. I thought he was in the

1338
01:01:51,340 --> 01:01:53,890
S3: scene doing his Gosling schtick, and she was doing her

1339
01:01:53,890 --> 01:01:56,920
S3: Emily Blunt schtick of like, talking really fast and seeming distracted.

1340
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,680
S3: But they weren't like, that's like two people acting in

1341
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,890
S3: a scene, like of their own, not together. And I

1342
01:02:02,890 --> 01:02:05,470
S3: just thought they didn't gel. And then on top of that,

1343
01:02:05,470 --> 01:02:08,380
S3: I thought that the story was like a little bit flimsy.

1344
01:02:08,380 --> 01:02:10,660
S3: It was hard to kind of like, get involved. I

1345
01:02:10,660 --> 01:02:12,520
S3: really went into this being like, this will be a fun,

1346
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:14,710
S3: kind of like Netflix movie, and it'll be like funny

1347
01:02:14,710 --> 01:02:17,920
S3: and a good time. And instead I just, like, found

1348
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,020
S3: myself really drifting. Um, and the.

1349
01:02:20,020 --> 01:02:22,150
S2: Jokes just didn't land in our cinema. Right. Which is

1350
01:02:22,150 --> 01:02:24,340
S2: kind of like, I thought, because David Leitch did Bullet Train,

1351
01:02:24,340 --> 01:02:26,680
S2: which I thought was very funny, but the jokes in

1352
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,320
S2: our cinema didn't land like it was just really quite

1353
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,140
S2: awkward watching one. How busy was another?

1354
01:02:32,590 --> 01:02:34,390
S3: Not very busy. There's only a few people.

1355
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:35,350
S2: None of us laughed.

1356
01:02:35,380 --> 01:02:37,000
S3: Yeah, I would say though, and like, you know, I

1357
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,070
S3: do have to caveat all this with like a friend

1358
01:02:39,070 --> 01:02:40,450
S3: of mine is in the film and I actually thought

1359
01:02:40,450 --> 01:02:42,820
S3: he was great. Uh, his name is Adam Dunn, Australian actor,

1360
01:02:42,820 --> 01:02:45,670
S3: played Nigel, uh, who was singing, you know, Genie in

1361
01:02:45,670 --> 01:02:46,720
S3: a bottle during the karaoke.

1362
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:48,070
S1: He's great in the movie.

1363
01:02:48,070 --> 01:02:50,500
S3: Yeah, he was really good. And, you know, like I'm

1364
01:02:50,500 --> 01:02:52,150
S3: saying all this, I know he listens to the podcast.

1365
01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:54,400
S3: We had a, you know, very honest chat on text.

1366
01:02:54,570 --> 01:02:56,280
S3: After the movie where he asked me what I thought.

1367
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,110
S3: He asked me to send a thumbs up or thumbs down,

1368
01:02:58,110 --> 01:03:00,630
S3: which is a reference from the film. And I said

1369
01:03:00,630 --> 01:03:01,980
S3: all of this to him, and, you know, he had

1370
01:03:01,980 --> 01:03:04,290
S3: his own thoughts and we had a really interesting chat.

1371
01:03:04,290 --> 01:03:05,850
S3: And I said to him that I didn't believe the

1372
01:03:05,850 --> 01:03:08,370
S3: chemistry between the two leads, and he was really surprised

1373
01:03:08,370 --> 01:03:10,530
S3: by that because he saw how hard they were working

1374
01:03:10,530 --> 01:03:13,500
S3: on the film. So, you know, it's an interesting, I guess,

1375
01:03:13,500 --> 01:03:16,950
S3: perspective to have. But yeah, I went in so prepared

1376
01:03:16,950 --> 01:03:18,510
S3: to love this film because it had so many elements

1377
01:03:18,510 --> 01:03:20,910
S3: that I was excited for, including the fact it was

1378
01:03:20,910 --> 01:03:23,430
S3: shot here in beautiful Sydney. And yeah, I just for

1379
01:03:23,430 --> 01:03:26,040
S3: some reason, like it didn't work for me. Like, I

1380
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,320
S3: loved The Gray Man. Like I'm so here for these

1381
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,020
S3: kind of like dumb Netflix films. And this one just felt,

1382
01:03:31,020 --> 01:03:32,760
S3: aside from the fact it was 45 minutes too long,

1383
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,520
S3: it just didn't seem to work. It was having discussed

1384
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,620
S3: so much about the mid era, this was like mid

1385
01:03:37,620 --> 01:03:38,640
S3: to a tee for me.

1386
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:40,410
S1: I reckon you guys are in the wrong cinema with

1387
01:03:40,410 --> 01:03:42,720
S1: the wrong people like I thought. I thought that the

1388
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,090
S1: jokes were funny. I thought Ryan Gosling was funny. I

1389
01:03:45,090 --> 01:03:48,510
S1: thought the chemistry was great. I thought that when Ryan

1390
01:03:48,510 --> 01:03:51,750
S1: Gosling is crying to Taylor Swift's All Too Well, uh,

1391
01:03:51,750 --> 01:03:54,240
S1: that that was great. It was very moving.

1392
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,610
S3: But even that for me felt like such a, like,

1393
01:03:56,610 --> 01:03:59,160
S3: heavy handed, like, oh, there's been so many funny, like,

1394
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,440
S3: let's have a, you know, like guy listening to Taylor

1395
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,600
S3: Swift and being emotional, seeing let's just like wedge it

1396
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:05,640
S3: in there. It felt so forced to me. Yeah.

1397
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:07,800
S2: I thought that was ironic. I thought they were making

1398
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:09,479
S2: fun of scenes of men.

1399
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,100
S7: I reckon you were in the Taylor Swift movie.

1400
01:04:11,100 --> 01:04:12,360
S1: You're in the wrong gear for this movie.

1401
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,510
S7: We were in the wrong. We're gonna be. We were happy.

1402
01:04:16,470 --> 01:04:18,660
S3: No. Had a, uh, like a what did you have, like,

1403
01:04:18,660 --> 01:04:19,530
S3: some kind of rap?

1404
01:04:19,590 --> 01:04:20,520
S7: Yeah, I had.

1405
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,410
S2: Like, I had food for once in the cinema, we.

1406
01:04:22,410 --> 01:04:25,290
S2: I cannot tell you how ready we were to love

1407
01:04:25,290 --> 01:04:26,070
S2: this film.

1408
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:28,260
S1: All right, let's agree to disagree on this one. And

1409
01:04:28,260 --> 01:04:30,600
S1: maybe you have more in common with the regular folk

1410
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,510
S1: who don't seem to be rushing to see this, which

1411
01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:37,260
S1: is freaking, uh, some distributors and studios and movie chains out.

1412
01:04:37,260 --> 01:04:39,720
S1: I think they were expecting this movie, which generally has

1413
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,120
S1: gotten pretty good reviews, like, it's sort of like three

1414
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,100
S1: and a half to four stars around the place. It's

1415
01:04:44,100 --> 01:04:46,170
S1: doing pretty well on Rotten Tomatoes. People think it's the

1416
01:04:46,170 --> 01:04:49,080
S1: kind of movie that should be bringing people to cinemas,

1417
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,050
S1: and it's not. And I wonder whether that's because, like

1418
01:04:52,050 --> 01:04:53,880
S1: I said at the start, I had a fun time,

1419
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:55,560
S1: but I'm not racing out of the cinema and saying,

1420
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:57,360
S1: you've all got to go see the fall guy. I

1421
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:01,680
S1: think sometimes it's the problem with Rotten Tomatoes, where it's 90% positive,

1422
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:05,190
S1: but if every positive review is like three stars, that

1423
01:05:05,190 --> 01:05:09,150
S1: doesn't get you excited enough to actually be an enthused

1424
01:05:09,150 --> 01:05:12,840
S1: ambassador for this film. I also wonder, and Thomas, you

1425
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:16,110
S1: mentioned the Gray Man. My friend Amy messaged me and

1426
01:05:16,110 --> 01:05:17,790
S1: was like, oh, you saw the fall guy? I didn't,

1427
01:05:17,790 --> 01:05:19,380
S1: I see that isn't that free guy? I've seen that

1428
01:05:19,380 --> 01:05:22,290
S1: one before, which is a different movie with Ryan Reynolds.

1429
01:05:22,290 --> 01:05:25,260
S1: And there's also The Nice Guys. There's a lot of

1430
01:05:25,260 --> 01:05:31,500
S1: Guy films around featuring Ryan's, and I wonder whether that

1431
01:05:31,500 --> 01:05:34,410
S1: is just confusing people. As dumb as that sounds, or

1432
01:05:34,410 --> 01:05:36,690
S1: whether people are like, cool, I'll wait for this movie

1433
01:05:36,690 --> 01:05:38,850
S1: to come out on streaming. It looks like mid tier entertainment.

1434
01:05:38,850 --> 01:05:39,990
S1: If I don't have to go out to the movies

1435
01:05:39,990 --> 01:05:42,660
S1: and pay $25 for it, I'll have a good time.

1436
01:05:42,990 --> 01:05:44,400
S3: Well, Mel, you did say to me, I wonder if

1437
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,080
S3: I would have liked this film better if I watched

1438
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:47,970
S3: it on a Saturday night when it popped up on

1439
01:05:47,970 --> 01:05:49,800
S3: Netflix and I'd had, like, a couple of glasses of

1440
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:52,890
S3: wine and like, I just popped it on and this, like,

1441
01:05:52,890 --> 01:05:54,420
S3: it was just a Saturday night, like.

1442
01:05:54,420 --> 01:05:56,900
S2: Yeah, if I could talk all the way through it. Yeah, yeah.

1443
01:05:57,560 --> 01:05:58,700
S2: Like potentially I think.

1444
01:05:58,700 --> 01:06:00,170
S1: I think potentially, I think maybe it will have a

1445
01:06:00,170 --> 01:06:03,110
S1: big streaming run as well. But yeah, I wonder what

1446
01:06:03,110 --> 01:06:05,390
S1: it means if it doesn't make its box office money back.

1447
01:06:05,390 --> 01:06:08,420
S1: That's that's not a great result for this film or

1448
01:06:08,420 --> 01:06:10,910
S1: for Hollywood making big movies. Uh, can I ask you

1449
01:06:10,910 --> 01:06:13,970
S1: guys about, um, Sidney on film?

1450
01:06:13,970 --> 01:06:14,689
S3: Sweeney.

1451
01:06:15,950 --> 01:06:18,860
S1: Kind of. So we had anyone but you, which was

1452
01:06:18,860 --> 01:06:21,020
S1: obviously filmed and set in Sydney and a lot of

1453
01:06:21,020 --> 01:06:24,320
S1: gratuitous shots of Sydney Harbour Bridge and the opera House

1454
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:27,050
S1: and Sydney Harbour. And then this movie was filmed basically

1455
01:06:27,050 --> 01:06:30,200
S1: the same place. Like, I was wondering if when Ryan

1456
01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:32,630
S1: Gosling is on a boat in Sydney Harbour, he was

1457
01:06:32,630 --> 01:06:34,880
S1: going to run into Glen Powell and Sydney Sweeney on

1458
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:37,520
S1: their boat. Maybe it's just because the proximity of these

1459
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,190
S1: two movies are really close together and they've both, you know,

1460
01:06:40,190 --> 01:06:43,070
S1: gotten a lot of media attention. I love Sydney, I

1461
01:06:43,070 --> 01:06:46,160
S1: love seeing Sydney on film. I feel like they could

1462
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,590
S1: do a bit more than just show us the opera

1463
01:06:48,590 --> 01:06:51,110
S1: House and the Harbour Bridge and 2 or 3 blocks

1464
01:06:51,110 --> 01:06:56,660
S1: in the city around Martin Place. So this is a big, beautiful, interesting, diverse,

1465
01:06:56,660 --> 01:07:00,260
S1: fun city when you're in New York, not everything needs

1466
01:07:00,260 --> 01:07:03,050
S1: to be in Manhattan. The Empire State Building can go

1467
01:07:03,050 --> 01:07:05,330
S1: to Brooklyn. Not everything in London needs to be around

1468
01:07:05,330 --> 01:07:07,610
S1: the Big Ben, you know? Like, is there a bit

1469
01:07:07,610 --> 01:07:11,300
S1: of cringe here with the way that Sydney is just

1470
01:07:11,300 --> 01:07:12,740
S1: the city and the harbour?

1471
01:07:13,100 --> 01:07:15,200
S3: Yeah, I think so. It was like, I know everyone

1472
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,510
S3: was excited to see the, you know, the Harbour Bridge

1473
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:19,250
S3: stunt with Ryan Gosling. And we'd all had a bit

1474
01:07:19,250 --> 01:07:21,470
S3: of context because like, you know, all the news cameras

1475
01:07:21,470 --> 01:07:23,840
S3: were hovering above the Harbour Bridge while he filmed it.

1476
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:26,120
S3: And but I do find it a bit boring. And

1477
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,010
S3: like Sydney, it may as well have been any other

1478
01:07:28,010 --> 01:07:30,140
S3: city aside from the set piece on the Harbour Bridge,

1479
01:07:30,140 --> 01:07:32,510
S3: and seeing the opera house like it just felt like,

1480
01:07:32,510 --> 01:07:34,970
S3: you know, it could have been Toronto or New York

1481
01:07:34,970 --> 01:07:38,630
S3: or Chicago or wherever, like, I don't know. Yeah, I agree,

1482
01:07:38,630 --> 01:07:40,910
S3: I'm like, it'd be so nice to see them like

1483
01:07:40,910 --> 01:07:43,760
S3: in like a national park or like in the western

1484
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:47,270
S3: suburbs or somewhere that was like still Sydney and recognizable

1485
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:49,220
S3: as Sydney, but just not, you know, the two biggest

1486
01:07:49,220 --> 01:07:50,750
S3: icons that we're known for. Like, I'm surprised they didn't

1487
01:07:50,750 --> 01:07:51,860
S3: go down to Bondi Beach.

1488
01:07:51,860 --> 01:07:53,630
S2: Yeah. I mean, I'd be yeah. I mean, that's a

1489
01:07:53,630 --> 01:07:56,070
S2: good point. I'd. Be curious to see when the New

1490
01:07:56,070 --> 01:07:58,140
S2: South Wales Government and Federal government cough up the funding

1491
01:07:58,170 --> 01:08:00,960
S2: to help bring these international films here. What the terms

1492
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:01,440
S2: and conditions?

1493
01:08:01,500 --> 01:08:02,040
S7: I'm sure I'm.

1494
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:04,350
S1: 100% sure that the only reason there are so many

1495
01:08:04,350 --> 01:08:06,180
S1: shots of the opera house is because the state government,

1496
01:08:06,180 --> 01:08:07,980
S1: which gives a lot of money for these movies, have

1497
01:08:07,980 --> 01:08:10,290
S1: said that's what we want. And I kind of think

1498
01:08:10,290 --> 01:08:12,180
S1: maybe it's not the director's fault as much as it's

1499
01:08:12,180 --> 01:08:14,940
S1: like the government being like, let's just turn every movie

1500
01:08:14,940 --> 01:08:19,559
S1: into an ad for Sydney. But we're so, I guess,

1501
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,140
S1: scared of telling people that Sydney is more than the

1502
01:08:22,140 --> 01:08:25,229
S1: bridge or the opera House. We don't want them to

1503
01:08:25,229 --> 01:08:27,540
S1: go west or south or wherever.

1504
01:08:28,290 --> 01:08:30,930
S3: That's why, again, thanks to Taylor Swift for bringing us

1505
01:08:30,930 --> 01:08:33,960
S3: to the attention of Sydney Zoo in the western suburbs.

1506
01:08:35,340 --> 01:08:37,679
S3: I mean, Taylor, like, the more we talk about it,

1507
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:40,050
S3: the more I'm impressed. She's a she's a trailblazer.

1508
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,269
S1: Oh, they could go to that. What's that sandwich shop.

1509
01:08:42,270 --> 01:08:43,890
S1: You like Thomas in your part of town?

1510
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:47,160
S3: Costas? Yeah. They could have gone to Costas. They not have.

1511
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:48,389
S1: Had a sandwich at Costas.

1512
01:08:48,390 --> 01:08:51,300
S3: That's iconic. I mean, even like the like, there's, like,

1513
01:08:51,300 --> 01:08:54,299
S3: Chifley Tower was in it, but yeah, otherwise it was like, it's,

1514
01:08:54,300 --> 01:08:58,620
S3: you know, hardly even worth, like, getting excited about Sydney

1515
01:08:58,620 --> 01:09:01,350
S3: being in the film. Yeah, I don't know. Uh, I

1516
01:09:01,350 --> 01:09:03,390
S3: think there are lots of other better Sydney films, if

1517
01:09:03,390 --> 01:09:04,380
S3: that's what you're after.

1518
01:09:05,430 --> 01:09:08,220
S1: All right, let's wrap up with Impress Your Friends. When

1519
01:09:08,220 --> 01:09:10,979
S1: we share something we watched, read, listened to, or just

1520
01:09:10,979 --> 01:09:13,440
S1: enjoyed consuming in the past week, do you want to

1521
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:14,250
S1: go first summer's.

1522
01:09:14,460 --> 01:09:16,830
S3: Uh, my one is TV series just to mix things up. Uh,

1523
01:09:16,830 --> 01:09:20,519
S3: it's out today on Netflix. Uh, it's called Bodkin. Um,

1524
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:22,680
S3: actually a weird kind of fall guy tie in in

1525
01:09:22,710 --> 01:09:25,380
S3: that the series is produced and directed by Nash Edgerton,

1526
01:09:25,380 --> 01:09:27,930
S3: who is a stuntman, uh, as well as being Joel

1527
01:09:27,930 --> 01:09:30,990
S3: Edgerton's brother, who also makes a cameo in The Fall Guy. Uh,

1528
01:09:30,990 --> 01:09:33,330
S3: but he's also a director. He directs this series. Uh,

1529
01:09:33,330 --> 01:09:36,210
S3: it's very funny. It's a dark comedy, um, in the

1530
01:09:36,210 --> 01:09:37,950
S3: kind of that vein of Irish TV that we all

1531
01:09:37,950 --> 01:09:40,260
S3: know and love. And, uh, you guys will enjoy this.

1532
01:09:40,260 --> 01:09:41,970
S3: It's about a group of three podcasters.

1533
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:43,260
S1: Is it really?

1534
01:09:43,260 --> 01:09:45,960
S3: It really is, uh, who come together. They work at

1535
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:50,820
S3: the Guardian. Bu but, um, they, they come together and, uh,

1536
01:09:50,820 --> 01:09:53,370
S3: basically one of the, the, you know, lead journalists, uh,

1537
01:09:53,370 --> 01:09:55,830
S3: she's been, you know, working on a big story in

1538
01:09:55,830 --> 01:09:58,830
S3: London and she gets exiled to her hometown in Ireland, um,

1539
01:09:58,830 --> 01:10:02,700
S3: to work on this series with two other podcasters. Um, about, like,

1540
01:10:02,700 --> 01:10:04,290
S3: you know, a group of people that went missing 20

1541
01:10:04,290 --> 01:10:06,689
S3: years ago. They slowly find themselves kind of, like, wrapped

1542
01:10:06,689 --> 01:10:09,840
S3: up in, you know, the intricacies and feuds of the

1543
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:12,570
S3: small town. So it's that type of setup, but very funny.

1544
01:10:12,570 --> 01:10:14,849
S3: And I think, you know, lots of people buy into

1545
01:10:14,850 --> 01:10:17,400
S3: the podcast culture. And this has lots of like, uh,

1546
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,650
S3: moments they will enjoy about how serious, you know, true

1547
01:10:19,650 --> 01:10:21,990
S3: crime podcasters take themselves. So yeah, I thought it was

1548
01:10:21,990 --> 01:10:24,660
S3: really funny. Um, each episode is 45 minutes. It's a

1549
01:10:24,660 --> 01:10:27,090
S3: Netflix drop, so everything's there available for you to watch.

1550
01:10:27,090 --> 01:10:29,070
S3: That one's out today. And yeah, worth your time.

1551
01:10:29,070 --> 01:10:31,830
S1: The amount of movies and TV shows that are like

1552
01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:35,760
S1: featuring podcasters as characters in the new Godzilla movie. Again,

1553
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:39,240
S1: Brian Tyree Henry is a podcaster. It's very strange. I

1554
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:40,800
S1: really wonder why that.

1555
01:10:41,130 --> 01:10:42,960
S7: I mean, it's a sexy medium, right? Well, podcast.

1556
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,840
S3: Is the new like hard nosed journalists of like 90s films.

1557
01:10:45,870 --> 01:10:48,240
S1: Agreed. Um, Mel, what have you got?

1558
01:10:48,330 --> 01:10:52,050
S2: Well, after everyone has listened to Kendrick and Drake and

1559
01:10:52,050 --> 01:10:54,599
S2: you've kind of been through their whole kind of feud,

1560
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,360
S2: this is a nice one to put in your earphones.

1561
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:00,270
S2: I've been really vibing Jessica Pratt's here in the Pitch,

1562
01:11:00,270 --> 01:11:04,320
S2: which is her new album. It's only nine songs, 27 minutes.

1563
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:07,410
S2: There's something light and sunny to them and almost airless,

1564
01:11:07,410 --> 01:11:10,800
S2: as well as this kind of sense of sadness on them.

1565
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:12,870
S2: I mean, it does kind of feel like maybe stepping

1566
01:11:12,870 --> 01:11:16,140
S2: into the garden, there's this kind of fantasy sound. I

1567
01:11:16,140 --> 01:11:17,490
S2: don't know, it's just one of those albums that I

1568
01:11:17,490 --> 01:11:20,490
S2: keep finding myself listening to. Some albums. I'm kind of like,

1569
01:11:20,490 --> 01:11:22,559
S2: you've got to be in the right mood, and you've

1570
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:23,820
S2: got to kind of be in the right state of mind.

1571
01:11:23,820 --> 01:11:25,530
S2: I've found that a lot with the Beyonce album, like

1572
01:11:25,530 --> 01:11:28,650
S2: I'm not necessarily gravitating towards putting it on, but this

1573
01:11:28,650 --> 01:11:30,510
S2: one just seems to be one that I keep returning to.

1574
01:11:30,510 --> 01:11:33,450
S2: So it's, um, a really nice kind of folk, retro

1575
01:11:33,450 --> 01:11:37,559
S2: pop classic sound that I would, um, highly recommend if

1576
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:38,940
S2: you need to come down from all the kind of

1577
01:11:38,939 --> 01:11:40,469
S2: highs of the rap battle.

1578
01:11:40,590 --> 01:11:43,050
S1: You put me onto this one. Uh, yesterday, Mel and

1579
01:11:43,050 --> 01:11:44,939
S1: I have been listening to it. I really like it.

1580
01:11:44,939 --> 01:11:47,550
S1: It's a great recommendation. Very, very good album.

1581
01:11:47,729 --> 01:11:49,950
S2: Oh, good. I can imagine you in your new home

1582
01:11:49,950 --> 01:11:50,879
S2: putting it on.

1583
01:11:51,870 --> 01:11:54,809
S1: Um, I got one that I'm surprised neither of you mentioned.

1584
01:11:54,810 --> 01:11:56,610
S1: Hack season three is back.

1585
01:11:56,820 --> 01:11:57,600
S7: Yes, Jane.

1586
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,750
S1: Smart is back. It's on Stan, owned by nine. The

1587
01:12:00,750 --> 01:12:03,480
S1: people who pay us to make this podcast, the Sydney

1588
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:05,309
S1: Morning Herald and The Age is probably more convoluted than

1589
01:12:05,310 --> 01:12:07,500
S1: it needed to be. Um. It's great. There's not much

1590
01:12:07,500 --> 01:12:08,880
S1: more I need to say about this show. I really,

1591
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:11,340
S1: really love hacks. I've been waiting for the new season

1592
01:12:11,340 --> 01:12:13,559
S1: for a while. Go watch it. Very fun.

1593
01:12:14,450 --> 01:12:16,430
S3: It is very funny, very excited. But I did text

1594
01:12:16,430 --> 01:12:18,530
S3: you last night. That should not be a weekly drop.

1595
01:12:18,530 --> 01:12:21,019
S3: That show like the first two episodes were. They dropped

1596
01:12:21,020 --> 01:12:23,300
S3: two at the start and now it's weekly from like

1597
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:26,180
S3: moving forward. Annoying. Doesn't need to be weekly. Drop the

1598
01:12:26,180 --> 01:12:28,790
S3: episodes like 30 minutes. It's a comedy that could be

1599
01:12:28,790 --> 01:12:30,380
S3: like bang! Just like, give us it, all of it.

1600
01:12:30,380 --> 01:12:31,730
S3: And you can watch it at your own leisure like

1601
01:12:31,729 --> 01:12:34,010
S3: no one is. Is anyone really, like, hyped on a

1602
01:12:34,010 --> 01:12:35,660
S3: Tuesday night to get the new hacks and then watch

1603
01:12:35,660 --> 01:12:37,200
S3: it for 30 minutes that you want to watch 3

1604
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:37,640
S3: or 4?

1605
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:40,130
S1: It does feel like the binge is reverse things that

1606
01:12:40,130 --> 01:12:42,320
S1: should not be. Binges are. And the other way around,

1607
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:43,820
S1: someone's got to sort this out. They should put us

1608
01:12:43,820 --> 01:12:46,130
S1: in charge of just every TV show we come in

1609
01:12:46,130 --> 01:12:48,110
S1: and we're like, doesn't matter what platform it's on. We'll

1610
01:12:48,110 --> 01:12:50,030
S1: tell you the release format for this one.

1611
01:12:50,030 --> 01:12:53,240
S3: Yeah. Once we finished solving crimes in a tiny Irish town.

1612
01:12:53,810 --> 01:12:57,019
S1: Guys. Great chat. Take care. See you next week. Bye.

1613
01:12:59,670 --> 01:13:02,820
S1: This episode of The Drop was produced by Kai Wong.

1614
01:13:02,850 --> 01:13:05,130
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1615
01:13:05,130 --> 01:13:07,710
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1616
01:13:07,710 --> 01:13:10,020
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01:13:10,020 --> 01:13:12,870
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