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S3: I've never watched Game of Thrones.

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S1: So in three Body Problem, we're alternating between a couple

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S1: on track? There's also a whole thing going on with

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00:20:53,730 --> 00:20:56,939
S1: the virtual reality computer game, which in the first episode

447
00:20:56,940 --> 00:20:58,859
S1: I didn't really understand, but by the end of the

448
00:20:58,859 --> 00:21:01,800
S1: second I'm like, oh, cool. This is like another really

449
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,350
S1: interesting layer to it as well. And I think, look,

450
00:21:04,350 --> 00:21:06,540
S1: I think it'd be fun to check in again when

451
00:21:06,540 --> 00:21:09,690
S1: we've all finished the show, but I'm into it just

452
00:21:09,690 --> 00:21:13,679
S1: because it does seem like it's really thought provoking like that.

453
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,020
S1: There is there is an element to it, and I

454
00:21:16,020 --> 00:21:18,120
S1: don't know if this is a theme that's going to be,

455
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,939
S1: I guess, thought through more throughout the rest of the series.

456
00:21:20,940 --> 00:21:23,490
S1: But there are a couple of like conversations, particularly when

457
00:21:23,490 --> 00:21:26,730
S1: we're in the Cultural Revolution period, where we're very clearly

458
00:21:26,730 --> 00:21:33,120
S1: positing ideological political agendas against science. And if. You don't

459
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:34,950
S1: listen to the scientists, things are going to go very

460
00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:38,010
S1: wrong if you just stay on this track of ideology

461
00:21:38,010 --> 00:21:40,530
S1: that is out of date. Like the world could literally end.

462
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,500
S1: I couldn't help but think about, like the climate debate in, in,

463
00:21:43,500 --> 00:21:46,200
S1: around the world for the last few years, the last

464
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,110
S1: few decades. And I don't know how explicit that is

465
00:21:49,109 --> 00:21:52,650
S1: or whether they will continue to, like I said, develop that.

466
00:21:52,650 --> 00:21:56,070
S1: But when you're talking about this otherworldly external threat that

467
00:21:56,070 --> 00:21:59,159
S1: scientists are trying to warn us about and being stymied

468
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:04,350
S1: by conservative governments, it did feel like a pretty 1

469
00:22:04,350 --> 00:22:07,500
S1: to 1 comparison. And I respect a show that can

470
00:22:07,500 --> 00:22:10,530
S1: be entertaining, have a mystery and make us think about

471
00:22:10,530 --> 00:22:11,490
S1: those things at the same time.

472
00:22:11,490 --> 00:22:11,880
S6: Yeah, I think.

473
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,680
S2: That's a good point. And they do kind of foreshadow

474
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,629
S2: that in quite subtle ways, like when they're kind of

475
00:22:15,630 --> 00:22:19,650
S2: in the deforestation camp in Mongolia, it's kind of hinted at,

476
00:22:19,650 --> 00:22:22,230
S2: but it's not in your face, really. This show made

477
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:24,360
S2: me have like huge regrets that I didn't do maths

478
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,939
S2: and physics at school because like when they're in the

479
00:22:26,940 --> 00:22:29,159
S2: bar and they were just like those two scientists, they're

480
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,280
S2: just chatting about nanoparticles. I was like, that's cool. I wish,

481
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,360
S2: like we just went around.

482
00:22:33,450 --> 00:22:35,370
S1: Let me tell you, someone who did maths and physics

483
00:22:35,369 --> 00:22:37,859
S1: and engineering at university, there was nothing to regret about

484
00:22:37,859 --> 00:22:40,800
S1: not studying those things. And also, it's not like I

485
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,810
S1: vaguely remember the name of the book and the name

486
00:22:42,810 --> 00:22:46,080
S1: of the show is taken from this. Like this. Real

487
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,629
S1: physics problem, the three body problem. Don't ask me to.

488
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:50,130
S6: Explain, can you? But I remember.

489
00:22:50,820 --> 00:22:54,449
S3: I think personally I definitely would have done maths and

490
00:22:54,450 --> 00:22:57,510
S3: physics and science if they all look like Auggie played

491
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:59,010
S3: by Eiza Gonzalez.

492
00:22:59,010 --> 00:22:59,910
S6: I must admit I.

493
00:22:59,910 --> 00:23:02,699
S3: Did text Oseman yesterday to be like because at one

494
00:23:02,700 --> 00:23:05,370
S3: point she's like, I'm the head of the nanotech research.

495
00:23:05,369 --> 00:23:07,050
S3: I'm like, man, I if I went to a nanotech

496
00:23:07,050 --> 00:23:10,050
S3: lab right now and any of the men or women

497
00:23:10,050 --> 00:23:12,629
S3: looked as attractive as the men and women in this show. Yeah,

498
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:14,489
S3: like there are some some poetic men.

499
00:23:14,490 --> 00:23:18,210
S1: And women can be chief neuroscientists as well. Thomas, I.

500
00:23:18,210 --> 00:23:21,030
S3: Just think that's the biggest problem with Three-body problem.

501
00:23:22,650 --> 00:23:24,210
S1: Like I said, I haven't read the book. I don't

502
00:23:24,210 --> 00:23:27,239
S1: think you guys have either. There's been a little bit

503
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:28,950
S1: of controversy about the fact that the book, written by

504
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:32,730
S1: a Chinese author, was set in China, and this has

505
00:23:32,730 --> 00:23:35,310
S1: adapted a lot of that story to be set in

506
00:23:35,310 --> 00:23:38,490
S1: Britain and in London in particular. I understand why people

507
00:23:38,490 --> 00:23:40,379
S1: feel like that's a bit of a letdown. There is

508
00:23:40,380 --> 00:23:43,020
S1: actually a Chinese adaptation of this, but it sort of

509
00:23:43,020 --> 00:23:46,109
S1: does the opposite, where for of his political reasons, all

510
00:23:46,109 --> 00:23:49,380
S1: the Cultural Revolution stuff is just not in the Chinese

511
00:23:49,380 --> 00:23:53,520
S1: adaptation of this, of this book. I think judging by

512
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,790
S1: what I've seen so far, it seems respectful of the

513
00:23:56,790 --> 00:24:01,230
S1: Chinese links to this story and has kept the Cultural

514
00:24:01,230 --> 00:24:03,960
S1: Revolution elements of it as a really big an important

515
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,730
S1: part of it. But I guess, you know, they've done

516
00:24:05,730 --> 00:24:08,609
S1: that classic thing where they've moved it to a Western

517
00:24:08,609 --> 00:24:11,879
S1: location to help it resonate more with Western audiences, though

518
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,400
S1: it has a pretty diverse cast as well, I would say,

519
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,560
S1: so I can see people being a bit let down.

520
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,020
S1: But I also think that this show is aware of

521
00:24:19,020 --> 00:24:21,930
S1: conversations around diversity and and the provenance of the book

522
00:24:21,930 --> 00:24:23,970
S1: and is trying to acknowledge them as well.

523
00:24:23,970 --> 00:24:26,550
S3: And we're obviously speaking a lot about Netflix today and

524
00:24:26,550 --> 00:24:28,350
S3: how they kind of get around their shows and what

525
00:24:28,350 --> 00:24:31,500
S3: their general, I guess, like, you know, plan and pattern is.

526
00:24:31,500 --> 00:24:32,879
S3: But I thought it was interesting. I got an invite

527
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,619
S3: and you guys may have got this as well. The

528
00:24:34,619 --> 00:24:37,410
S3: show comes out today, but next week Netflix is hosting

529
00:24:37,410 --> 00:24:40,800
S3: like a Understand the Science night. Um, so you know,

530
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,580
S3: they're featuring astrophysicist Kirsten Banks and science journalist Jackson Ryan.

531
00:24:44,580 --> 00:24:47,129
S3: They're doing like an event in Sydney where basically you

532
00:24:47,130 --> 00:24:49,379
S3: sit down with these scientists and you can ask questions

533
00:24:49,380 --> 00:24:51,450
S3: about the show. So it's just interesting looking at how

534
00:24:51,450 --> 00:24:53,970
S3: Netflix is going about the PR for this. They obviously

535
00:24:53,970 --> 00:24:56,639
S3: are appreciating that it's a tricky subject, but people will

536
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,410
S3: get into it. So they're kind of like, oh, look,

537
00:24:58,410 --> 00:25:00,720
S3: come to this event and we will immerse you in

538
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:01,320
S3: this world.

539
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,450
S1: You're going to regret telling me about that, because I'm

540
00:25:03,450 --> 00:25:05,970
S1: now going to obviously send you to that and ask

541
00:25:05,970 --> 00:25:08,399
S1: you to explain me how the three-body problem.

542
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:08,730
S6: Yeah, that's.

543
00:25:08,730 --> 00:25:09,570
S2: Surely the opening.

544
00:25:09,570 --> 00:25:10,530
S6: Question. Well, firstly.

545
00:25:10,530 --> 00:25:12,690
S3: It says drinks and canapés provided, so I have no issue.

546
00:25:12,690 --> 00:25:13,020
S6: Going.

547
00:25:13,980 --> 00:25:16,169
S3: This is this is the explainer from orbital mechanics and

548
00:25:16,170 --> 00:25:19,410
S3: particle physics to nuclear weapons and the search for extraterrestrial life.

549
00:25:19,410 --> 00:25:21,810
S3: Grab a drink and explore the science behind Netflix. Epic

550
00:25:21,810 --> 00:25:24,210
S3: new science fiction series three Body Problem.

551
00:25:24,210 --> 00:25:26,190
S2: Mia Mitchell having a night?

552
00:25:26,220 --> 00:25:26,640
S6: There you go.

553
00:25:27,030 --> 00:25:29,880
S1: Well, I mean, we talked about the Oppenheimer references before, and,

554
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,010
S1: you know, it's hard to do any show about particle

555
00:25:32,010 --> 00:25:35,280
S1: physics or whatever without acknowledging the role that Robert Oppenheimer played.

556
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,980
S1: But I wonder whether in a post Oppenheimer world where

557
00:25:37,980 --> 00:25:40,020
S1: so many people have watched it, it's been lauded at

558
00:25:40,020 --> 00:25:42,449
S1: the Academy Awards, and there is some chalkboard numbers and

559
00:25:42,450 --> 00:25:44,310
S1: stuff there. It could be a boost for the show.

560
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:46,830
S1: And it's like, if you liked Oppenheimer The Movie, check

561
00:25:46,830 --> 00:25:49,440
S1: out the new show about weird signed stuff and what's

562
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:50,070
S1: going on with that. Yeah, I.

563
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:52,530
S2: Think that's a good point. Also, lessons in chemistry. Another one,

564
00:25:52,650 --> 00:25:55,710
S2: obviously a very different tone of film and and book.

565
00:25:55,710 --> 00:25:57,690
S2: But you know, there's a lot going on here.

566
00:25:57,690 --> 00:25:58,200
S3: So if we could just.

567
00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:59,940
S6: Keep it in this part, keep.

568
00:25:59,940 --> 00:26:01,859
S2: It in the lab. Um, yeah. A lot going on

569
00:26:01,859 --> 00:26:02,909
S2: in science. Okay.

570
00:26:02,910 --> 00:26:06,780
S1: So as a Netflix show, I have to say I

571
00:26:06,780 --> 00:26:11,250
S1: was a bit surprised to see this announce and then

572
00:26:11,250 --> 00:26:14,850
S1: also come out and be pretty good because and it

573
00:26:14,850 --> 00:26:17,100
S1: could be totally unfair. And there's probably people who work

574
00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:19,230
S1: in Netflix that will listen to this and say, you've

575
00:26:19,230 --> 00:26:21,660
S1: missed these like six other great shows. You're an idiot.

576
00:26:21,660 --> 00:26:24,630
S1: But I'm just talking from like the vibes sense, my

577
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:26,879
S1: own vibe sense, and from the vibe sense of the

578
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,119
S1: people I talked to that when I think about Netflix shows,

579
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,400
S1: I think about. Emily in Paris more than I think

580
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,990
S1: about high concept, high budget shows like this. So for

581
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:42,100
S1: Netflix to actually back something that is dense, complicated, big

582
00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:46,060
S1: and shiny seems pretty interesting. But I want to get

583
00:26:46,060 --> 00:26:48,580
S1: a sense check from you guys. Like, is my vibe

584
00:26:48,730 --> 00:26:50,979
S1: something you can relate to, or am I out on

585
00:26:50,980 --> 00:26:53,230
S1: a limb here about what we think Netflix is doing

586
00:26:53,230 --> 00:26:54,250
S1: with TV?

587
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,250
S3: No, I think you're kind of right. Um, you know,

588
00:26:57,250 --> 00:27:00,100
S3: it's been had a funny trajectory. Netflix. Like it basically

589
00:27:00,100 --> 00:27:02,650
S3: broke new ground in the streaming world, and it was

590
00:27:02,650 --> 00:27:05,740
S3: exactly as you said. It was the prestige network. It was,

591
00:27:05,740 --> 00:27:09,190
S3: you know, home of the Crown, House of cards. Uh, these,

592
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:11,560
S3: like big even orange is the New Black, like, these were,

593
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,689
S3: you know, the original Netflix shows. That was what we

594
00:27:13,690 --> 00:27:16,030
S3: associated with Netflix and that was also what was cleaning up.

595
00:27:16,030 --> 00:27:18,190
S3: But stuff like the Globes and the Emmys. And then

596
00:27:18,190 --> 00:27:21,040
S3: as the streaming world has expanded and all these other

597
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,889
S3: rival platforms have kind of like popped up, Netflix has

598
00:27:23,890 --> 00:27:25,990
S3: had to change its business model and then is now

599
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:29,109
S3: more synonymous with, I guess, like that popcorn filler show

600
00:27:29,109 --> 00:27:31,900
S3: like Emily in Paris, which I do love, but it's

601
00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:34,750
S3: no longer, you know, just this, the home of prestige.

602
00:27:34,750 --> 00:27:36,820
S3: And so and and on top of that, I think

603
00:27:36,820 --> 00:27:41,410
S3: it's also become synonymous with pretty ruthlessly canceling shows, especially

604
00:27:41,410 --> 00:27:43,389
S3: shows like this. Like, I don't know if you guys

605
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,619
S3: remember Sense8, that was the big money Netflix show filmed

606
00:27:47,619 --> 00:27:50,260
S3: around the world. They had, you know, cast and crew

607
00:27:50,260 --> 00:27:52,750
S3: based here as well. It was like a big, high

608
00:27:52,750 --> 00:27:55,090
S3: concept sci fi show that a lot of buzz. And

609
00:27:55,090 --> 00:27:58,090
S3: because it wasn't that easily digestible, they fucking canned it

610
00:27:58,090 --> 00:27:59,980
S3: after like two seasons. And one of those, you know,

611
00:27:59,980 --> 00:28:02,680
S3: like fan led, oh my god, bring back Sense8 didn't happen.

612
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,510
S3: But yeah, definitely watching this I was like, wow, this

613
00:28:04,510 --> 00:28:07,360
S3: is an unusual kind of gamble for current day Netflix.

614
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,120
S3: It doesn't feel like the type of show that they're saying, yes,

615
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,310
S3: this feels like an Amazon show. Yeah.

616
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:15,310
S2: Or even a HBO show. Um, I feel like for me,

617
00:28:15,310 --> 00:28:17,920
S2: Netflix has become like we were saying, it is still

618
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,109
S2: that one that reaches the most people. So I've never

619
00:28:20,109 --> 00:28:23,440
S2: dropped my Netflix subscription, and I never will because the

620
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,750
S2: shows have the potential to blow up. But I feel

621
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:28,570
S2: like I am not always checking Netflix in the way

622
00:28:28,570 --> 00:28:30,580
S2: I am. Some of the other streamers like I will

623
00:28:30,580 --> 00:28:33,010
S2: go back to Netflix when a show like this becomes

624
00:28:33,010 --> 00:28:35,170
S2: big or something takes off. I think of like Bridgerton,

625
00:28:35,170 --> 00:28:37,390
S2: you know, when something blows up, like I feel for

626
00:28:37,390 --> 00:28:39,219
S2: weeks we might not talk about a Netflix show and

627
00:28:39,220 --> 00:28:41,590
S2: then something like this comes along and, and you really

628
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:43,780
S2: want to watch it. But I do wonder with this weather,

629
00:28:43,780 --> 00:28:46,510
S2: and we're obviously going to move on to one of

630
00:28:46,510 --> 00:28:49,690
S2: Thomas's films of the year, Irish Wish. But I do

631
00:28:49,690 --> 00:28:52,510
S2: wonder whether they're trying to get the best of both

632
00:28:52,510 --> 00:28:56,950
S2: worlds here. And they're doing shows like Irish Wish, Cheaply made,

633
00:28:56,950 --> 00:29:00,130
S2: but mass market Appeal so that they can kind of

634
00:29:00,130 --> 00:29:04,420
S2: subsidize the cost of doing shows like three Body Problem,

635
00:29:04,420 --> 00:29:06,520
S2: which then draw in a different audience, and maybe a

636
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,850
S2: stickier audience than, um, than they're hitting with the other market.

637
00:29:10,060 --> 00:29:10,810
S6: It's so funny, though.

638
00:29:10,810 --> 00:29:12,940
S3: I just like picking up on what you said when

639
00:29:12,940 --> 00:29:14,050
S3: I turned on my TV and I open up my

640
00:29:14,050 --> 00:29:17,320
S3: Google Chrome. Netflix is still the first platform I click into,

641
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,650
S3: just like it's like I have this relationship with it

642
00:29:20,650 --> 00:29:22,720
S3: that has been built on, like such a long history

643
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,790
S3: that I have to check it first and then I

644
00:29:24,790 --> 00:29:26,920
S3: then I tend to just check the others, like at random,

645
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,630
S3: even though and I, you know, we work in this game,

646
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:30,040
S3: so I kind of know what's coming out and stuff.

647
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,410
S3: But Netflix is always, always the first one I check.

648
00:29:32,410 --> 00:29:34,300
S2: That's so interesting. I do go on just because I

649
00:29:34,300 --> 00:29:36,670
S2: like to see what's trending, because it's interesting to me

650
00:29:36,670 --> 00:29:39,459
S2: what shows they've suddenly got sometimes I've got older movies

651
00:29:39,460 --> 00:29:41,770
S2: that suddenly are coming back into the conversation, or to

652
00:29:41,770 --> 00:29:44,140
S2: see what shows have kind of found their way through.

653
00:29:44,140 --> 00:29:47,740
S2: But I do find their home page so cluttered and

654
00:29:47,740 --> 00:29:51,100
S2: so mishmash of everything. Like I find it quite an

655
00:29:51,100 --> 00:29:53,680
S2: overwhelming user experience these days.

656
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,530
S3: Yeah, obviously we all we all check Stan first and

657
00:29:56,530 --> 00:29:58,780
S3: then nine now and then Netflix.

658
00:30:00,010 --> 00:30:00,790
S1: That's right. That's the way.

659
00:30:00,790 --> 00:30:01,240
S6: We do things.

660
00:30:01,270 --> 00:30:03,310
S1: Thank you. Stan and I, now owned by the Knight

661
00:30:03,310 --> 00:30:06,190
S1: Entertainment Company, the same company that owns The Age and

662
00:30:06,190 --> 00:30:08,200
S1: The Sydney Morning Herald. Will we work out? Thanks for

663
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,300
S1: mentioning them, Thomas. I've got to do the disclaimer.

664
00:30:10,300 --> 00:30:11,860
S6: That's why you're opening survivor.

665
00:30:11,860 --> 00:30:13,570
S2: It's that kind of approach.

666
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:24,160
S1: One of the things that I think people do use

667
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,110
S1: on Netflix to help kind of break through that clutter

668
00:30:26,110 --> 00:30:28,840
S1: is the top ten lists, because I think it's a

669
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,790
S1: nice way to just see what everyone is watching right

670
00:30:30,790 --> 00:30:36,520
S1: now in Australia and around the world. The number one

671
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:41,470
S1: film on Netflix. The little film called Irish Wish.

672
00:30:42,010 --> 00:30:43,989
S8: Hi mom, I can't help but think that things would

673
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:46,030
S8: be different if I had told Paul how I felt.

674
00:30:46,060 --> 00:30:46,690
S8: Then I have to start.

675
00:30:46,690 --> 00:30:48,730
S9: Speaking up for yourself. It's too late now.

676
00:30:49,930 --> 00:30:52,270
S8: I wish I was marrying Paul Kennedy.

677
00:30:57,490 --> 00:31:00,040
S10: What the. Oh, Paul.

678
00:31:02,010 --> 00:31:05,640
S1: If Three-body problem is at the top scale of ambition

679
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,520
S1: for Netflix. I feel like this is going to be

680
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,060
S1: pretty low towards the bottom end. I mean, it has

681
00:31:12,060 --> 00:31:15,750
S1: obviously attracted millions, if not hundreds of millions of viewers

682
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:18,810
S1: around the world to get it at the number one position.

683
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,560
S1: There's a lot to say about this movie because of

684
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:28,200
S1: what I think is its deeply, deeply, deeply bad nature,

685
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,850
S1: but also its extreme popularity. Thomas, why don't we start

686
00:31:32,850 --> 00:31:35,610
S1: with you just kind of walking us through what this

687
00:31:35,610 --> 00:31:36,480
S1: movie is?

688
00:31:36,510 --> 00:31:38,160
S3: Okay, perfect. If I could just get, like, a little

689
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,190
S3: bit of an Irish fiddle underneath me or something as

690
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:48,130
S3: I talk about this, that would be great. So essentially, uh,

691
00:31:48,130 --> 00:31:51,340
S3: it is a classic rom com, uh, although there's not

692
00:31:51,340 --> 00:31:54,190
S3: much ROM or com, but we find Lindsay Lohan, who

693
00:31:54,190 --> 00:31:57,220
S3: plays Maddie. She's a book editor who loves to read, who.

694
00:31:57,310 --> 00:31:59,410
S1: Just just pause. Sorry for a second, Lindsay. Like Lindsay Lohan,

695
00:31:59,410 --> 00:32:00,340
S1: this is the Lindsay Lohan.

696
00:32:00,370 --> 00:32:03,250
S3: Yeah, yeah. I mean, needs no further. The name itself is.

697
00:32:03,580 --> 00:32:05,800
S3: But yeah. So Lindsay Lohan, she plays Maddie, a book

698
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,470
S3: editor who loves to read and she loves books. And

699
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:11,470
S3: we know this because she has glasses. She is in

700
00:32:11,470 --> 00:32:14,770
S3: love with the best selling author, Paul Kennedy. He's an

701
00:32:14,770 --> 00:32:18,010
S3: Irish author. That's Alexander Vlahos from Outlander, if you guys

702
00:32:18,010 --> 00:32:21,970
S3: are familiar. Um, so she's his editor, but she's never

703
00:32:21,970 --> 00:32:25,570
S3: told anyone that she loves him, including her two best friends, Emma,

704
00:32:25,570 --> 00:32:28,780
S3: played by Elizabeth Tan, who is from Emily in Paris,

705
00:32:28,780 --> 00:32:31,150
S3: and Heather, played by Steph. Carrie's wife Ayesha.

706
00:32:31,150 --> 00:32:31,480
S6: Gary.

707
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,160
S2: I did not know she was an actress.

708
00:32:33,850 --> 00:32:34,510
S3: I don't think she is.

709
00:32:34,510 --> 00:32:35,290
S6: I don't think.

710
00:32:35,290 --> 00:32:36,130
S1: She is based.

711
00:32:36,130 --> 00:32:38,680
S3: On it. Um, so yes. So basically these are two

712
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,770
S3: best friends. The movie opens on the night of Paul's

713
00:32:41,770 --> 00:32:44,110
S3: book launch for his latest book, which is, of course,

714
00:32:44,110 --> 00:32:48,700
S3: called Two Irish Hearts. Weirdly, Heather, uh, Maddie's friend, is

715
00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:51,400
S3: also the designer of the book's cover, which Maddie is

716
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,650
S3: seeing for the first time on the night of the launch,

717
00:32:53,650 --> 00:32:56,320
S3: which is crazy, even though she's the book editor. Uh,

718
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:57,760
S3: she arrives and she's like, Heather, I love what you

719
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,490
S3: did with the cover. I've never seen it before. Anyway,

720
00:33:00,490 --> 00:33:02,709
S3: the point of this book launch is that Maddie is

721
00:33:02,710 --> 00:33:04,900
S3: finally going to tell Paul how she feels about him.

722
00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:06,850
S3: She's in love with him, and he asks to have

723
00:33:06,850 --> 00:33:08,170
S3: a chat with her, and she thinks this is going

724
00:33:08,170 --> 00:33:10,900
S3: to be like a very serious chat, where he also

725
00:33:10,900 --> 00:33:13,990
S3: expresses his feelings for her. Instead, he's asking Maddie to

726
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:16,780
S3: edit his next book, uh, and that night he instead

727
00:33:16,780 --> 00:33:19,240
S3: hits it off with her friend Emma. We then cut

728
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:24,729
S3: forward to, uh, Ireland and Emma and Paul are getting married,

729
00:33:24,730 --> 00:33:27,040
S3: and Maddie, the best friend, is feeling kind of slightly

730
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,890
S3: dejected and sad. She's arrived in Ireland to watch the

731
00:33:29,890 --> 00:33:32,680
S3: love of her life and her best friend get married. Luckily,

732
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,480
S3: she does meet a hot British guy at the airport

733
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,500
S3: named James. He's played by Ed Spillers, also from Outlander. Uh,

734
00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:41,200
S3: here's a photographer who spends his time snapping endangered tree

735
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,690
S3: lizards in Bolivia because that's obviously a job.

736
00:33:43,690 --> 00:33:44,650
S6: But lots of people do.

737
00:33:45,940 --> 00:33:48,520
S3: Um, anyway, eventually Maddie arrives at Paul's parents manor for

738
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,950
S3: the big wedding. The day before the wedding, she goes

739
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:54,160
S3: for a walk and she comes across an Irish wishing bench. Um.

740
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,990
S3: She takes a seat and just as she is saying

741
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:57,790
S3: out loud that she wishes it was Paul that was

742
00:33:57,790 --> 00:34:01,000
S3: marrying her, an Irish fairy arrives and grants her wish.

743
00:34:01,030 --> 00:34:03,790
S3: The next morning, Maddie wakes up as the bride to be,

744
00:34:03,790 --> 00:34:06,280
S3: but soon becomes a case of be careful what you

745
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:07,510
S3: Irish wish for.

746
00:34:07,900 --> 00:34:10,090
S2: Huh? That was so thorough.

747
00:34:10,750 --> 00:34:13,000
S1: That was great. That was. Yeah. Way to start reminding

748
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,370
S1: me about why I really didn't like this film.

749
00:34:15,700 --> 00:34:18,759
S3: Uh, yes. And so. And then basically, it's like, I

750
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,340
S3: guess 90 minutes of some of the best TV ever made.

751
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:22,540
S6: Wow.

752
00:34:22,540 --> 00:34:24,850
S1: So can you can you talk us through what you

753
00:34:24,850 --> 00:34:26,080
S1: liked about this movie, Thomas?

754
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,830
S3: Well, firstly, I thought Lindsay Lohan was actually pretty good. Like,

755
00:34:29,830 --> 00:34:31,450
S3: if you want to prove to people that you've still

756
00:34:31,450 --> 00:34:34,270
S3: got it, you need to star in the shittiest movie

757
00:34:34,270 --> 00:34:37,570
S3: ever made. Um, to kind of, like, really outshine everything.

758
00:34:37,570 --> 00:34:40,569
S3: So I thought Lindsay Lohan was good. I was hoping

759
00:34:40,570 --> 00:34:43,660
S3: or maybe projecting upon it a level of self-awareness that

760
00:34:43,660 --> 00:34:46,660
S3: maybe didn't exist, but I thought, I thought everyone in

761
00:34:46,660 --> 00:34:50,260
S3: this film knew how bad this film was. And like these,

762
00:34:50,260 --> 00:34:52,900
S3: you know, actors in a cast that have been in

763
00:34:52,900 --> 00:34:56,530
S3: some pretty decent projects. Um, so perhaps it was fun

764
00:34:56,530 --> 00:34:58,570
S3: for me being along for the ride with them as

765
00:34:58,570 --> 00:35:01,509
S3: they read some of like the dialogue as well, the

766
00:35:01,510 --> 00:35:05,050
S3: plot lines, the incredibly bad editing, the very intense use

767
00:35:05,050 --> 00:35:08,649
S3: of I like when, you know, there's a very funny

768
00:35:08,650 --> 00:35:11,350
S3: scene when they visit the Cliffs of Moher and it's

769
00:35:11,350 --> 00:35:14,620
S3: just like the colors are popping off the screen. Uh, yeah.

770
00:35:14,620 --> 00:35:17,410
S3: The movie, it was like being in it was like

771
00:35:17,410 --> 00:35:19,240
S3: sitting in a screensaver or something.

772
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,510
S2: Yeah, that's very funny. Um, it's like a it's almost

773
00:35:22,510 --> 00:35:25,540
S2: like an it's own genre, which is like a simulacrum

774
00:35:25,540 --> 00:35:27,910
S2: of a rom com. It's like, I know you're seeing

775
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:30,100
S2: it as self-aware, but it's almost like it's this thing

776
00:35:30,100 --> 00:35:33,670
S2: that is a rom com that is trying so hard

777
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:35,440
S2: to be a rom com. It feels like if you

778
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,109
S2: are watching a rom com and they had characters in

779
00:35:38,110 --> 00:35:39,940
S2: it that were in a rom com, this is what

780
00:35:39,940 --> 00:35:42,580
S2: like you would show of that, it's just kind of.

781
00:35:42,580 --> 00:35:45,160
S1: So yeah, it's like a Black Mirror take on.

782
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,180
S6: Yeah, yeah.

783
00:35:46,300 --> 00:35:50,229
S2: Like the lurid colors, the dialogue is so funny. Like

784
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:52,600
S2: I laughed out loud several times. Like a lot of

785
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,240
S2: it is just so meaningless and makes no sense. Like

786
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,730
S2: there was this moment when they went apple picking and

787
00:35:57,730 --> 00:35:59,530
S2: then they were fading out to show the lots of

788
00:35:59,530 --> 00:36:01,960
S2: shots of the Irish countryside. And you just hear, I

789
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,600
S2: think Lindsay Lohan say, I literally cannot believe I got

790
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,310
S2: so many apples. I was.

791
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:08,649
S6: Like.

792
00:36:08,650 --> 00:36:12,880
S2: Why? Who? Who says that and why? Like, obviously the

793
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,100
S2: apples have nothing to do with the plot. Like it's very, um,

794
00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:19,660
S2: the dialogue is so hamfisted, uh, that it's hard not

795
00:36:19,660 --> 00:36:21,460
S2: to laugh like I'm the same as you, Thomas. I

796
00:36:21,460 --> 00:36:22,960
S2: don't know, maybe I was in the mood for this.

797
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,900
S2: I was in the mood for something so silly and

798
00:36:25,900 --> 00:36:28,569
S2: trivial that I didn't hate watching it.

799
00:36:28,570 --> 00:36:30,820
S1: I started in a similar position. Um, I mean, there's

800
00:36:30,820 --> 00:36:33,430
S1: a couple of bits, Thomas, that that I'll mention that

801
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:35,650
S1: I think are worth adding to your recap. It also

802
00:36:35,650 --> 00:36:38,740
S1: stars the wonderful Jane Seymour, who's in many, many TV

803
00:36:38,739 --> 00:36:41,979
S1: and film projects, as Lindsay Lohan's mum, who clearly was

804
00:36:41,980 --> 00:36:44,560
S1: not on the same set as anyone else in this film,

805
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,280
S1: which is which is awesome. And the movie is financed

806
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:53,529
S1: by Lindsay Lohan's husband, uh, Bedelia Shamus, which perhaps.

807
00:36:53,530 --> 00:36:57,489
S3: Explains the very noticeable lack of rom in the film.

808
00:36:57,489 --> 00:37:01,630
S3: Like there's one kiss. Yeah, and that's pretty much it.

809
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,460
S1: Yeah, he's on set the whole time, being like, you're

810
00:37:03,460 --> 00:37:07,210
S1: looking at her too closely, man. Get away! I started

811
00:37:07,210 --> 00:37:10,569
S1: this movie. I actually took some some notes as I

812
00:37:10,570 --> 00:37:14,350
S1: was watching this film. And one of them was Lindsay

813
00:37:14,350 --> 00:37:16,450
S1: is kind of going for it. I thought she was

814
00:37:16,450 --> 00:37:19,360
S1: taking it seriously, or acting wise, at least despite the

815
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,700
S1: terrible dialogue. So I was into that. You mentioned the

816
00:37:21,700 --> 00:37:25,359
S1: cover art sort of situation before. Lindsay Lohan says the

817
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,450
S1: cover is great, but it's terrible, like it's one of

818
00:37:28,450 --> 00:37:30,520
S1: the worst book covers of all time. Mel, as a

819
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,170
S1: book person, can we just talk about a couple of

820
00:37:32,170 --> 00:37:33,040
S1: the book things going.

821
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:33,520
S6: On at the start?

822
00:37:33,969 --> 00:37:34,270
S2: So this.

823
00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:34,900
S6: Book.

824
00:37:34,900 --> 00:37:39,250
S1: Launch. When they're walking in. There's like 50 photographers. Like,

825
00:37:39,250 --> 00:37:42,880
S1: this is the busiest, most hyped media event of all time,

826
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,980
S1: which is weird for any book launch. But when they

827
00:37:44,980 --> 00:37:48,130
S1: go in, there's like 14 people sitting in this bar.

828
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,620
S2: Yeah, I've never been to a book launch like that,

829
00:37:50,620 --> 00:37:52,450
S2: and I have been to many book people don't really

830
00:37:52,450 --> 00:37:55,300
S2: look like that. Um, they're not like authors aren't really

831
00:37:55,300 --> 00:37:58,239
S2: sitting alone on a stool drinking whiskey at their book club.

832
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,580
S1: Just reading, just doing. Like, are they reading out the

833
00:38:00,580 --> 00:38:01,000
S1: whole time?

834
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:02,920
S6: Is that what is going on? I was so confused.

835
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,350
S2: When he was like, chapter eight. I was like, how

836
00:38:05,350 --> 00:38:06,640
S2: long are you going to be there for?

837
00:38:06,730 --> 00:38:08,410
S3: And listen to all the paparazzi go home?

838
00:38:08,590 --> 00:38:08,830
S6: Yeah.

839
00:38:09,790 --> 00:38:12,370
S2: Also, the full cover book picture of him like that

840
00:38:12,370 --> 00:38:15,070
S2: is not something that you really see anymore as well.

841
00:38:15,070 --> 00:38:17,379
S2: I yeah, I enjoyed the fantasy book launch. I kind

842
00:38:17,380 --> 00:38:18,640
S2: of think I'd like to have been there.

843
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,830
S1: So at the start all that stuff kind of annoyed me.

844
00:38:20,830 --> 00:38:22,989
S1: But then I'm like, just like, relax. This is a

845
00:38:22,989 --> 00:38:26,650
S1: smooth brained viewing experience. Go along for the ride. When

846
00:38:26,650 --> 00:38:29,380
S1: they got to Ireland and they shot on location in Ireland,

847
00:38:29,380 --> 00:38:32,680
S1: which I think they deserve props for. Ireland looked pretty,

848
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,870
S1: pretty nice. Everyone was having a nice time. It was

849
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:37,779
S1: just so silly and so dumb. I was like, why not?

850
00:38:37,780 --> 00:38:41,739
S1: But then too, like I've done something I've never done before.

851
00:38:41,739 --> 00:38:43,960
S1: When watching something on Netflix, do you know you can

852
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,480
S1: select the viewing speed of a show?

853
00:38:46,810 --> 00:38:47,469
S6: Netflix.

854
00:38:47,980 --> 00:38:49,989
S1: And I've always thought anyone who does that is a

855
00:38:49,989 --> 00:38:52,480
S1: complete psychopath. Because how do you watch a movie at

856
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,759
S1: one and a half speed with the dialogue is all

857
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,910
S1: fast and everyone's walking around. I got halfway through this movie,

858
00:38:57,910 --> 00:39:00,190
S1: which is only 45 minutes in because it's not a

859
00:39:00,190 --> 00:39:03,970
S1: long movie and thought, I now hate everything about this.

860
00:39:03,969 --> 00:39:06,850
S1: I can't believe this exists. There was this incredible vulture

861
00:39:06,850 --> 00:39:10,960
S1: headline about this movie that said Netflix is Irish, which

862
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,790
S1: is a crypto fascist AI generated harbinger of doom. Uh,

863
00:39:15,790 --> 00:39:18,939
S1: I don't know if I feel that strongly about it,

864
00:39:18,940 --> 00:39:22,390
S1: but I started to resent what I was watching. And

865
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:25,750
S1: once you understand the conceit and the Irish wish happens

866
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:29,140
S1: and you know, she's living this kind of like, Freaky

867
00:39:29,140 --> 00:39:32,589
S1: Friday esque situation, it all fell off for me. So

868
00:39:32,590 --> 00:39:35,920
S1: I started watching it at 1.5 speed. That was too fast.

869
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,110
S1: So I went to 1.25 where I felt like I

870
00:39:38,110 --> 00:39:40,330
S1: was getting the plot, but could also just like make

871
00:39:40,330 --> 00:39:41,980
S1: sense of what was happening. And then I didn't end

872
00:39:41,980 --> 00:39:43,690
S1: up finishing it. So I don't know how this movie ends,

873
00:39:43,690 --> 00:39:48,850
S1: but I lost a lot of faith in humanity. Netflix,

874
00:39:48,850 --> 00:39:52,149
S1: you guys, the rest of the world for sending this

875
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:52,569
S1: to oh my.

876
00:39:52,570 --> 00:39:53,200
S3: God, I can't believe you.

877
00:39:53,380 --> 00:39:54,969
S6: Finished it. I reckon you can probably.

878
00:39:54,969 --> 00:39:55,630
S2: Guess how it.

879
00:39:55,630 --> 00:39:56,230
S6: Ends.

880
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:59,140
S3: So Lindsay Lohan is actually a twin all along.

881
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,919
S2: I kind of agree with you. The halfway point when

882
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,759
S2: she wakes up living her wished for life, um, with

883
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,600
S2: the fabulous Paul Kennedy. Like. I mean.

884
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,090
S3: She's also not Irish. He's a Welsh actor.

885
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,110
S6: Yeah, true.

886
00:40:14,140 --> 00:40:16,660
S2: She's not solving the three body problem, right? But she

887
00:40:16,660 --> 00:40:18,879
S2: cannot get her head around it.

888
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,290
S6: Like. And I think they.

889
00:40:20,290 --> 00:40:22,390
S2: Needed to speed that up, because how many times can

890
00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:25,540
S2: they establish that she has found herself in a situation

891
00:40:25,540 --> 00:40:28,090
S2: that she wished for, but wasn't prepared for? Like, I

892
00:40:28,090 --> 00:40:30,910
S2: felt like that just happened again and again and again,

893
00:40:30,910 --> 00:40:32,770
S2: and I could have gone like 1.53.

894
00:40:32,890 --> 00:40:35,440
S1: I almost think there's like 1 or 2 small changes

895
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,780
S1: they could have made to make it, like still pretty bad,

896
00:40:37,780 --> 00:40:41,530
S1: but still more watchable. Like it's not really clear at

897
00:40:41,530 --> 00:40:45,310
S1: all why she loves this writer other than she edits

898
00:40:45,310 --> 00:40:47,800
S1: his books. There was a bit more chemistry, I thought,

899
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,440
S1: with the other fella, the photographer that she starts to

900
00:40:50,650 --> 00:40:54,130
S1: slowly fall for, but then they're all there escapades, like

901
00:40:54,130 --> 00:40:56,590
S1: she's getting married in two days and she's just spending

902
00:40:56,590 --> 00:40:59,290
S1: entire days at a time with this other guy, and

903
00:40:59,290 --> 00:41:01,750
S1: no one seems perturbed by that at all. And it's

904
00:41:01,750 --> 00:41:05,860
S1: like these are dialogue and scriptwriting sort of issues that

905
00:41:05,860 --> 00:41:08,770
S1: one extra person not involved in the project reading it

906
00:41:08,770 --> 00:41:11,140
S1: could have said, let's change it, but maybe that's the

907
00:41:11,140 --> 00:41:13,600
S1: whole point. Maybe Netflix is like, no, no, no, that

908
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,420
S1: costs money. We don't care. We can make this stuff.

909
00:41:16,420 --> 00:41:19,240
S1: The fact that it's got Lindsay Lohan and two men

910
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,040
S1: and her, and it's going to be a love triangle

911
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,630
S1: and it's an island is going to be enough to

912
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:24,279
S1: send it to number one. And you know what? They're

913
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,630
S1: fucking right. And shout out to them for not overestimating

914
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:32,890
S1: the intelligence of anyone with a Netflix subscription. But I

915
00:41:32,890 --> 00:41:35,890
S1: still feel like, why do you think this is so popular? Why,

916
00:41:35,890 --> 00:41:38,350
S1: other than us talking about it? Because it's our job

917
00:41:38,350 --> 00:41:40,420
S1: to talk about it and watch it. Why has everyone

918
00:41:40,420 --> 00:41:42,040
S1: in the world sent this to number one? Well, I.

919
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,989
S2: Do think that people have a lot of kind of

920
00:41:43,989 --> 00:41:46,210
S2: love for Lindsay Lohan. We kind of grew up with

921
00:41:46,210 --> 00:41:48,670
S2: her on The Parent Trap and then in Mean Girl.

922
00:41:48,670 --> 00:41:51,070
S2: So I think people do love her. Falling for Christmas

923
00:41:51,070 --> 00:41:52,930
S2: was very big as well. So I think people kind

924
00:41:52,930 --> 00:41:56,589
S2: of are prepped to give Lindsay Lohan a good, a

925
00:41:56,590 --> 00:41:58,390
S2: good shot. And then it does look like a kind

926
00:41:58,390 --> 00:42:00,489
S2: of film you would watch when you don't really want

927
00:42:00,489 --> 00:42:03,010
S2: to be super engaged, like a nice film to watch

928
00:42:03,010 --> 00:42:05,650
S2: with the wine, a silly film. I think they're the

929
00:42:05,650 --> 00:42:07,360
S2: first two starting points. And then it comes back to

930
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,340
S2: what we were talking about earlier, I think. Then it

931
00:42:09,340 --> 00:42:11,830
S2: gets the chat, it gets the funny thing pieces. It

932
00:42:11,830 --> 00:42:15,640
S2: gets the kind of watercooler moments of wasn't this insane?

933
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,890
S2: And then it does what we were talking about before,

934
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,290
S2: then it gets to reach its full audience because all

935
00:42:20,290 --> 00:42:22,090
S2: of a sudden, all those people with Netflix subscriptions are

936
00:42:22,090 --> 00:42:23,920
S2: kind of logging on to be part of the joke

937
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,630
S2: and the conversation around it.

938
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,190
S1: Yeah, everyone's saying, well, it's number one, so maybe there's

939
00:42:30,190 --> 00:42:32,049
S1: something to it, but in fact, it's just what you've

940
00:42:32,050 --> 00:42:34,690
S1: outlined a bit of curiosity about what Lindsay is up

941
00:42:34,690 --> 00:42:37,930
S1: to and what this fun. Little comedy movie could be. Yeah.

942
00:42:37,930 --> 00:42:39,700
S3: I don't think many people like. What do you think

943
00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:41,320
S3: of the percentage of people who are watching this, thinking

944
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,230
S3: it's going to be good versus so bad it's good?

945
00:42:44,770 --> 00:42:48,910
S1: I genuinely don't know the answer to that question. I worry,

946
00:42:49,060 --> 00:42:51,280
S1: without sounding like a dickhead, that there could be a

947
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:52,569
S1: lot of people that think it's good.

948
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:53,560
S6: I just did, you guys.

949
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,830
S3: Everyone was like, this is going to be fucking so funny.

950
00:42:57,310 --> 00:42:59,020
S1: Did you guys laugh once?

951
00:42:59,020 --> 00:43:01,359
S3: Heaps of times, heaps of times. When when she was

952
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:02,800
S3: when she said, please give.

953
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,390
S1: Me the list of things you're laughing when.

954
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:07,210
S3: She. Well, firstly, um, this is something that I would do.

955
00:43:07,210 --> 00:43:10,000
S3: So I appreciated this when she lied and pretended that she,

956
00:43:10,030 --> 00:43:11,379
S3: her favorite writer was James Joyce.

957
00:43:11,380 --> 00:43:12,340
S6: Yeah, that was very good.

958
00:43:13,690 --> 00:43:15,399
S3: And then I actually read this really funny article today

959
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,380
S3: that was written by an Irish publication. I thought her.

960
00:43:17,380 --> 00:43:17,620
S6: Favorite.

961
00:43:18,010 --> 00:43:19,210
S1: Author was James Stewart.

962
00:43:19,210 --> 00:43:21,970
S3: She was clearly making that up because, like, do you

963
00:43:21,969 --> 00:43:23,290
S3: think so? Well, no. Like, let's.

964
00:43:23,290 --> 00:43:24,700
S1: See, I don't know. We don't even know. You think

965
00:43:24,700 --> 00:43:26,530
S1: that she was like, making a joke? I think she

966
00:43:26,530 --> 00:43:29,200
S1: genuinely thinks her favorite author is James Joyce, because later

967
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,560
S1: in the wedding, in the rehearsal dinner scene, her husband

968
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,319
S1: or fiance is asked what's her favorite author? And he says,

969
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,529
S1: Charles Dickens. And she pretends that it was too. Not embarrassing.

970
00:43:38,650 --> 00:43:40,959
S3: I think she's telling the truth when she says, my

971
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,330
S3: favorite writer is James Joyce. I just don't think there's

972
00:43:43,330 --> 00:43:45,070
S3: a world in which this character could.

973
00:43:45,250 --> 00:43:45,550
S6: Be.

974
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,509
S3: A James Joyce fan. And in this article I was reading,

975
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:51,370
S3: that was like by an Irish publication. They were like,

976
00:43:51,370 --> 00:43:53,529
S3: I love how she says that after she's up at

977
00:43:53,530 --> 00:43:56,560
S3: the Cliffs of Moher, which is like not really a

978
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,799
S3: Joyce Ian area. Uh, so I thought that was very

979
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,509
S3: funny that this Irish article pointed that out.

980
00:44:01,510 --> 00:44:03,160
S2: Look at this guy. What is the Joyce in area?

981
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,590
S3: Well, he wrote more about like the cities and the

982
00:44:05,590 --> 00:44:07,210
S3: grind of day to day. Like don't try and.

983
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:08,320
S6: Grind of a.

984
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:08,919
S2: Day to day.

985
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:09,880
S6: Life. But yeah.

986
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,560
S3: So I thought that was very funny. I loved when

987
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,150
S3: she sat down to write her novel, that she was

988
00:44:13,150 --> 00:44:14,859
S3: finally going to write her own story, and she opened

989
00:44:14,860 --> 00:44:16,359
S3: up the word doc. And we've talked about this before.

990
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,790
S3: I love in like film and TV when someone goes

991
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:20,830
S3: to send a text and there's no previous text history

992
00:44:20,830 --> 00:44:23,410
S3: or anything like that, she opened up her her, you know,

993
00:44:23,410 --> 00:44:25,660
S3: word doc. It was like untitled novel by Madeline Kelly,

994
00:44:25,660 --> 00:44:28,450
S3: chapter one. Like no words. She hadn't written a single thing.

995
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:31,600
S3: I just thought there were very funny moments. Um, yeah.

996
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,399
S3: It's a great movie, and everyone should watch it.

997
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,210
S2: I had a few kind of, I don't understand moments. Um, like,

998
00:44:37,210 --> 00:44:40,989
S2: did you notice that so many men were wearing cravats? Like,

999
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,680
S2: I was like, I've not seen this. Many men wear cravats.

1000
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,109
S1: So I have a theory about that. I think that,

1001
00:44:47,110 --> 00:44:49,570
S1: like the costuming on this movie was so bizarre, it

1002
00:44:49,570 --> 00:44:54,100
S1: doesn't feel real. And I think every costume item either

1003
00:44:54,100 --> 00:44:56,770
S1: came from a show that was on ten years ago,

1004
00:44:56,770 --> 00:44:58,990
S1: or The Cravats could be an Emily in Paris thing,

1005
00:44:58,989 --> 00:45:01,089
S1: just like leftover from wardrobe. They did not have any

1006
00:45:01,090 --> 00:45:03,940
S1: money to buy new clothes. Everyone was wearing the same

1007
00:45:03,940 --> 00:45:07,870
S1: sort of like checkered flannel shirt. It was so strange

1008
00:45:07,870 --> 00:45:09,670
S1: and like, I'm glad you brought up the setting, Thomas,

1009
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:12,430
S1: because when they land in Ireland, like they're not at

1010
00:45:12,430 --> 00:45:15,640
S1: Dublin airport, like, I actually, I really like Ireland, I

1011
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,339
S1: love Dublin, I love Irish history, I love the country,

1012
00:45:18,340 --> 00:45:20,500
S1: I love the people. Shout out to my Irish brothers

1013
00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:20,890
S1: and sisters.

1014
00:45:20,890 --> 00:45:22,420
S3: You don't fall out of beer here.

1015
00:45:23,739 --> 00:45:25,000
S6: Exactly, exactly.

1016
00:45:25,330 --> 00:45:27,190
S1: Um, I love every Irish person except Paul Mescal.

1017
00:45:27,730 --> 00:45:28,030
S6: Um.

1018
00:45:28,750 --> 00:45:30,970
S1: But when that when they fly into Ireland, they're not

1019
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:33,219
S1: going to Dublin. They're at Nock airport, which is the

1020
00:45:33,219 --> 00:45:35,260
S1: one in the west, and they're just like, it's knock

1021
00:45:35,260 --> 00:45:37,569
S1: airport guys. Like, we're in the west of Ireland. Like,

1022
00:45:37,570 --> 00:45:40,870
S1: I hope that the Irish Tourism Board or the Western

1023
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:43,089
S1: Irish Tourism Board, who paid for this movie, feels like

1024
00:45:43,090 --> 00:45:44,950
S1: they got bang for buck. There were maybe hoping this

1025
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:47,140
S1: would be their anyone but you, and I don't know

1026
00:45:47,140 --> 00:45:49,120
S1: if it will pay off for them. Maybe it will though.

1027
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,010
S1: If it's number one, maybe there's going to be millions

1028
00:45:51,010 --> 00:45:52,810
S1: of people rocking up at the cliffs of more to

1029
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:53,410
S1: to to check.

1030
00:45:53,410 --> 00:45:56,380
S2: I think out of everyone Ireland looked the best from this.

1031
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:56,950
S6: Yeah because it had been.

1032
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:58,510
S3: Like they like up to the saturation.

1033
00:45:58,510 --> 00:45:59,529
S6: About 1,000%.

1034
00:45:59,530 --> 00:46:01,029
S3: Ireland's never looked so colorful.

1035
00:46:01,060 --> 00:46:04,210
S1: The other weird, very specific location thing was her mom.

1036
00:46:04,210 --> 00:46:06,879
S1: Jane Seymour is like a principal in a school. And

1037
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,310
S1: they do this funny thing that they don't do in

1038
00:46:09,310 --> 00:46:11,740
S1: any other part of the movie. When they do the

1039
00:46:11,739 --> 00:46:15,129
S1: establishing shot, where you're going to the school and you're like, okay, well,

1040
00:46:15,130 --> 00:46:17,259
S1: she's clearly not in New York with Lindsay Lohan's character.

1041
00:46:17,260 --> 00:46:19,990
S1: She's somewhere else. They they sort of do this fun

1042
00:46:19,989 --> 00:46:23,589
S1: graphic treatment at an angle where superimposed onto the school,

1043
00:46:23,590 --> 00:46:26,800
S1: it says Des Moines, Iowa. And it's like, is Des Moines,

1044
00:46:26,830 --> 00:46:27,520
S1: Iowa paying.

1045
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:28,510
S6: For this movie as well?

1046
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:29,319
S1: Why? They got the money.

1047
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:30,100
S6: From I was like, it's.

1048
00:46:30,100 --> 00:46:32,620
S3: So weird that only now do we get this. The

1049
00:46:32,620 --> 00:46:34,570
S3: only time that that happens, the.

1050
00:46:34,570 --> 00:46:36,370
S1: Only time people care about Des Moines, Iowa is when

1051
00:46:36,370 --> 00:46:38,950
S1: like the primaries are on. Because I think Iowa is

1052
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:41,890
S1: is pretty close. So there's always AP news reports being

1053
00:46:41,890 --> 00:46:44,739
S1: filed from Des Moines, Iowa. I'm like, why? Why is

1054
00:46:44,739 --> 00:46:45,430
S1: Lindsay Lohan's mom?

1055
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:46,630
S6: There was a complete.

1056
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:47,950
S2: Rebrand for that city.

1057
00:46:47,950 --> 00:46:49,420
S3: But also, I think, again, it spoke to me. I

1058
00:46:49,420 --> 00:46:51,130
S3: was like, I bet you they had heaps of different

1059
00:46:51,130 --> 00:46:53,500
S3: editors working on this film, but they were all quit

1060
00:46:53,500 --> 00:46:54,070
S3: or something.

1061
00:46:54,070 --> 00:46:56,379
S1: Yeah. So some guys like, okay, the style, I want

1062
00:46:56,380 --> 00:46:58,510
S1: to look like this and no one else, no one

1063
00:46:58,510 --> 00:46:59,230
S1: else took that one.

1064
00:46:59,230 --> 00:46:59,560
S6: Okay.

1065
00:46:59,860 --> 00:47:01,569
S2: The other thing that really tickled me was the meet

1066
00:47:01,570 --> 00:47:04,390
S2: cute moment, which is usually like a big moment in

1067
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:07,540
S2: a romantic comedy between Maddie's best friend and the author,

1068
00:47:07,540 --> 00:47:11,350
S2: Paul is when her fake eyelash falls off.

1069
00:47:11,350 --> 00:47:13,330
S1: And then I've got a note about this. I'm glad

1070
00:47:13,330 --> 00:47:14,770
S1: you brought. I've got a I've got like three paragraphs.

1071
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:18,730
S2: For some reason, Paul, the author, places her fake eyelash

1072
00:47:18,730 --> 00:47:21,279
S2: back on. And that's when they fall in love.

1073
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:22,780
S6: It's just a completely insane.

1074
00:47:22,780 --> 00:47:25,240
S1: And she says, she says, oh, it looks so much better.

1075
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,850
S1: Thank you. Without even looking into a mirror, how does

1076
00:47:27,850 --> 00:47:29,410
S1: she know that he's done the right job? I wouldn't

1077
00:47:29,410 --> 00:47:31,840
S1: trust this guy. Yeah, the other meet cute thing that

1078
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,239
S1: is totally weird is when she lands at NOC airport

1079
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:38,169
S1: in West Island. And she is, you know, fighting to

1080
00:47:38,170 --> 00:47:42,040
S1: get her bag off the carousel. But the photographer, Guy James,

1081
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,370
S1: he says that's his bag. And then they fight and

1082
00:47:45,370 --> 00:47:47,650
S1: it turns out it is his bag. And so she's like,

1083
00:47:47,650 --> 00:47:48,970
S1: I've got to wait at the airport for hours to

1084
00:47:48,969 --> 00:47:52,029
S1: get my bag. The bag doesn't come. So she just

1085
00:47:52,030 --> 00:47:53,920
S1: like lodges, like, you know, the the little thing you

1086
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,900
S1: do at the airport and you hope you get your bag.

1087
00:47:55,930 --> 00:47:57,910
S1: She's been waiting there for hours. Everyone else is left.

1088
00:47:57,910 --> 00:48:00,220
S1: She gets to go on the bus to to the

1089
00:48:00,250 --> 00:48:02,950
S1: to the house. And he's also there getting on the bus.

1090
00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:05,020
S1: What's he been doing for the last four hours? He got.

1091
00:48:05,020 --> 00:48:05,859
S1: He got his bag.

1092
00:48:05,860 --> 00:48:06,339
S6: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1093
00:48:06,670 --> 00:48:08,110
S1: That was how they met. What was he?

1094
00:48:08,650 --> 00:48:10,630
S3: If anyone knows how disappointing it is when a bag

1095
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:12,339
S3: doesn't turn up on time, it's Lindsay Lohan.

1096
00:48:16,810 --> 00:48:18,640
S11: Ah. Well done, well done. Yeah, that.

1097
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,710
S3: Was very funny. Also again, like that was it was

1098
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:22,480
S3: playing into this Irish thing of like, oh of course.

1099
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,670
S3: And we're only on the one road into town. Like

1100
00:48:24,670 --> 00:48:27,370
S3: it's like, you know, Ireland is like, got more roads

1101
00:48:27,370 --> 00:48:27,940
S3: than that.

1102
00:48:27,940 --> 00:48:29,470
S1: Yeah. The bus driver is like, I'll take you to

1103
00:48:29,469 --> 00:48:32,860
S1: this little place that's not on my route. And he

1104
00:48:32,860 --> 00:48:36,670
S1: pulls off into this lane and then he has to, like,

1105
00:48:36,670 --> 00:48:39,160
S1: reverse out on this bus. Why would he do that?

1106
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,560
S1: No bus driver would do that. Have you met bus drivers?

1107
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,210
S3: I think the biggest lesson you can learn from this

1108
00:48:43,210 --> 00:48:45,880
S3: film is that, uh, Bankstown Airport should be shilling out

1109
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:47,140
S3: for anyone but you too.

1110
00:48:47,170 --> 00:48:47,500
S6: Yeah.

1111
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,069
S3: Because you can make like a, you know, that's great exposure.

1112
00:48:51,070 --> 00:48:52,060
S3: You can't pay for that.

1113
00:48:52,300 --> 00:48:54,759
S1: Okay. So look, even though you guys had a bit

1114
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,219
S1: more fun with this film than I did, it is

1115
00:48:57,580 --> 00:49:00,310
S1: I think we can accept not like a brilliant film,

1116
00:49:00,310 --> 00:49:03,640
S1: but it is super, super popular and I guess sends

1117
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,370
S1: that message to Netflix that we can keep making at

1118
00:49:06,370 --> 00:49:09,370
S1: this stuff. At this kind of price. Subscribers will stay

1119
00:49:09,370 --> 00:49:11,320
S1: engaged because every week or every couple of weeks they'll

1120
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,810
S1: get a movie like this. Netflix has been doing this

1121
00:49:13,810 --> 00:49:17,620
S1: for a while. It's been doing it with the Christmas films,

1122
00:49:17,620 --> 00:49:20,020
S1: with the The Prince. Is it like there's some sort

1123
00:49:20,020 --> 00:49:23,620
S1: of royal Netflix love spin off thing that was the

1124
00:49:23,620 --> 00:49:26,589
S1: Delta Goodrem one? Was that like love Is in the air?

1125
00:49:27,130 --> 00:49:29,290
S1: I feel like there's another one I'm missing as well.

1126
00:49:29,500 --> 00:49:31,720
S3: Yeah they do. Well, I mean, Kevin Hart has signed

1127
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,120
S3: a Netflix deal. He's doing a bunch of algorithm movies.

1128
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:35,980
S3: There was that really weird one, the Reese Witherspoon and

1129
00:49:35,980 --> 00:49:37,960
S3: Ashton Kutcher on Your Place or mine? That was an

1130
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,419
S3: algorithm film. And then even I would go so far

1131
00:49:40,420 --> 00:49:43,750
S3: as to say that, like, um, was it the Gray Man,

1132
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:47,110
S3: the Ryan Gosling Netflix one? The Rock has done a bunch. Like, yeah.

1133
00:49:47,350 --> 00:49:50,200
S3: Or like even though we joke about this and Lindsay Lohan,

1134
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,299
S3: you know, she maybe isn't doesn't have the luxury of

1135
00:49:52,300 --> 00:49:54,580
S3: saying no to lots of stuff. All of the top

1136
00:49:54,580 --> 00:49:55,780
S3: guys are doing it, too.

1137
00:49:56,500 --> 00:49:58,330
S1: Yeah. And how do we so how do we feel

1138
00:49:58,330 --> 00:50:00,969
S1: about that? Like, is this a case of, well, people

1139
00:50:00,969 --> 00:50:03,940
S1: don't mind it. It seems to get people paid these

1140
00:50:03,940 --> 00:50:06,220
S1: big actors who want to be in it. Netflix seems

1141
00:50:06,219 --> 00:50:09,430
S1: to think it's successful for them. Model that at the

1142
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:12,340
S1: price point you pay to subscribe to Netflix, you get

1143
00:50:12,340 --> 00:50:14,530
S1: one of these things every week or so.

1144
00:50:15,770 --> 00:50:16,580
S12: Is that.

1145
00:50:16,580 --> 00:50:19,310
S1: Good? And when I say is that good, I mean,

1146
00:50:19,310 --> 00:50:23,330
S1: if this continues to be the most popular or dominant

1147
00:50:23,330 --> 00:50:25,970
S1: form of how people engage with film and television, if

1148
00:50:25,969 --> 00:50:30,050
S1: Netflix continues to snaffle up everyone from Ryan Gosling to

1149
00:50:30,050 --> 00:50:32,300
S1: the Rock to Lindsay Lohan for these kinds of deals,

1150
00:50:32,330 --> 00:50:35,750
S1: are we fine with this level of stuff being churned out,

1151
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:39,170
S1: or do we think there is a long term risk

1152
00:50:39,170 --> 00:50:42,650
S1: here of anything a bit more interesting, a bit more bold,

1153
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:46,160
S1: a bit better written, just being eroded? And when we

1154
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,320
S1: wake up one day and I guess you can see

1155
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,230
S1: where I stand on this and all we have is

1156
00:50:51,230 --> 00:50:53,450
S1: Irish and the Gray Man.

1157
00:50:53,450 --> 00:50:54,919
S3: That's a future I want to be a part of.

1158
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:56,690
S6: That is my Irish wish.

1159
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,330
S1: I'm worried about that, and I'm worried that most people

1160
00:50:59,330 --> 00:51:00,319
S1: think the same thing too.

1161
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,359
S3: I think I think it's just going to end up

1162
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:07,220
S3: with a modern day spin on the classic kind of studio, uh,

1163
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,400
S3: star relationship, which is like one for you, one for me.

1164
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,740
S3: So as was always the case with the big studios

1165
00:51:12,739 --> 00:51:15,440
S3: that you would do, you know, um, you're kind of

1166
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:19,430
S3: independent arthouse flick that was like, all crafty. And then

1167
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:21,980
S3: Tom cruise would do Mission Impossible for the studio, and

1168
00:51:21,980 --> 00:51:24,140
S3: now he just does all studio films. But basically the

1169
00:51:24,140 --> 00:51:26,720
S3: relationship was like, you would do one big blockbuster and

1170
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,820
S3: then one, you know, version of something you wanted to do.

1171
00:51:28,820 --> 00:51:31,220
S3: And now I do think Netflix is just kind of

1172
00:51:31,219 --> 00:51:33,830
S3: doing the same thing. Like they're always going to pump

1173
00:51:33,830 --> 00:51:37,910
S3: out these like mass market, um, easily accessible films. But

1174
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:40,759
S3: I do think that will then open up opportunities for

1175
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:45,380
S3: other people to, you know, do these more interesting projects elsewhere.

1176
00:51:45,380 --> 00:51:47,930
S3: I don't think it's going to like, eat up, you know,

1177
00:51:47,930 --> 00:51:49,520
S3: the legitimate film industry.

1178
00:51:49,969 --> 00:51:52,040
S1: And I guess, Mo, you were saying earlier that you

1179
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,250
S1: think maybe stuff like this gives Netflix the space to

1180
00:51:55,250 --> 00:51:58,850
S1: do bolder stuff, like three body problem.

1181
00:51:58,850 --> 00:51:59,239
S6: Yeah, I.

1182
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,720
S2: Mean, that's an optimistic spin on it in a way. Um,

1183
00:52:03,050 --> 00:52:06,020
S2: you know, this pays the bills, which then allow you

1184
00:52:06,020 --> 00:52:08,930
S2: to do more interesting and innovative stuff, like, I reckon

1185
00:52:08,930 --> 00:52:12,230
S2: I'm going to compare this genre of film to like

1186
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:15,259
S2: single use plastic. And in principle, I don't really like

1187
00:52:15,260 --> 00:52:16,460
S2: single use culture.

1188
00:52:16,460 --> 00:52:17,810
S6: I like that only.

1189
00:52:17,810 --> 00:52:20,930
S2: Exists for a momentary, fleeting hour, and then it's very

1190
00:52:20,930 --> 00:52:23,900
S2: forgettable and replaceable. But what I will say is, I

1191
00:52:23,900 --> 00:52:26,660
S2: do think that this is probably just another trend. I mean,

1192
00:52:26,660 --> 00:52:28,970
S2: we've seen Netflix double down on genres that they've had

1193
00:52:28,969 --> 00:52:32,450
S2: success with in the past. There was obviously Korean films,

1194
00:52:32,450 --> 00:52:36,259
S2: there was food documentaries, there was reality, and now there

1195
00:52:36,260 --> 00:52:38,930
S2: is the kind of cheap budget romcom. And I do

1196
00:52:38,930 --> 00:52:40,759
S2: think it will have its moment, and I don't think

1197
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,089
S2: it's here to stay. Um, and I think, yeah, I mean,

1198
00:52:44,090 --> 00:52:46,939
S2: I encourage us all as viewers, while we sometimes need

1199
00:52:46,940 --> 00:52:52,640
S2: to use a plastic fork, maybe the more enduring metal

1200
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,250
S2: one is going to be more sustaining for us, um,

1201
00:52:55,250 --> 00:52:57,710
S2: culturally in the future. My metaphor got a bit mixed there,

1202
00:52:57,710 --> 00:52:59,870
S2: but like, I think you see where I'm going.

1203
00:53:00,860 --> 00:53:04,970
S1: Well, there is that, um, at Netflix, uh, one of the, uh,

1204
00:53:04,969 --> 00:53:08,180
S1: head executives, Bela, who's a chief content officer, uses this

1205
00:53:08,180 --> 00:53:11,660
S1: analogy of the gourmet cheeseburger. That's what she says Netflix

1206
00:53:11,660 --> 00:53:14,989
S1: is doing, which is like, you know, slightly more understandable

1207
00:53:14,989 --> 00:53:18,290
S1: than the plastic versus metaphor, one coming from health, which

1208
00:53:18,290 --> 00:53:21,109
S1: is like, you know, they're cheeseburgers, they're digestible, they're not expensive.

1209
00:53:21,110 --> 00:53:23,299
S1: But we want to be a little bit like, you know,

1210
00:53:23,300 --> 00:53:26,750
S1: a little bit more fancy. I'm not sure that this

1211
00:53:26,750 --> 00:53:29,990
S1: falls into that category. I think, like maybe the gentlemen

1212
00:53:29,989 --> 00:53:33,200
S1: and maybe even three body problem. I like gourmet cheeseburgers,

1213
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,990
S1: and I think there's fewer of those than there are.

1214
00:53:35,989 --> 00:53:39,770
S1: Just like, you know, the kind of lower grade, lower

1215
00:53:39,770 --> 00:53:42,350
S1: quality stuff. I think what you guys both said is

1216
00:53:42,350 --> 00:53:45,500
S1: really interesting and probably more accurate than my usual kind

1217
00:53:45,500 --> 00:53:49,310
S1: of Duma level stuff. I think also what these streaming

1218
00:53:49,310 --> 00:53:51,050
S1: platforms are trying to figure out is how do you

1219
00:53:51,050 --> 00:53:54,560
S1: be viable? Like what is the sustainable economic model to

1220
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,290
S1: be able to make high quality stuff at a price point,

1221
00:53:57,290 --> 00:53:59,720
S1: people willing to pay for it, that's an issue they're

1222
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,390
S1: dealing with. And what's really interesting is even though when

1223
00:54:02,390 --> 00:54:05,390
S1: Netflix started, there was basically no competition in the streaming space,

1224
00:54:05,390 --> 00:54:08,840
S1: now when there are so many platforms, Netflix still reigned

1225
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:13,009
S1: supreme and you're actually seeing platforms like Disney+, which took

1226
00:54:13,010 --> 00:54:15,980
S1: everything off Netflix and locked it up behind their own

1227
00:54:15,980 --> 00:54:18,979
S1: streaming paywalls and now reversing that. They're saying this didn't

1228
00:54:18,980 --> 00:54:20,989
S1: work for us. It didn't work for us to get

1229
00:54:20,989 --> 00:54:23,870
S1: everyone on Disney+ as well as on Netflix. So they're

1230
00:54:23,870 --> 00:54:26,630
S1: now selling content back into the market to make it

1231
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:29,870
S1: up for grabs. For anyone from Stan to binge to

1232
00:54:29,870 --> 00:54:33,759
S1: to Netflix. So. I wonder whether what we will see

1233
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,880
S1: in a couple of years is maybe like, you know,

1234
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,340
S1: you were saying, Thomas, you go to Netflix as your default.

1235
00:54:39,340 --> 00:54:40,990
S1: I think a lot of people do that. And I

1236
00:54:40,989 --> 00:54:44,650
S1: think that might be increasingly common as more and more

1237
00:54:44,650 --> 00:54:47,500
S1: shows that are produced by other companies end up getting

1238
00:54:47,500 --> 00:54:49,960
S1: sold to Netflix because everyone's realized, well, they figured it out,

1239
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,690
S1: they've got the most subscribers, their technology is good. They've

1240
00:54:52,690 --> 00:54:56,230
S1: got the right mix of high and low already for kids,

1241
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:59,020
S1: for families, for young people, for couples, whatever. So let's

1242
00:54:59,020 --> 00:55:02,230
S1: just sell content to them and make that the portal

1243
00:55:02,230 --> 00:55:05,290
S1: into television. I mean, there's a whole separate conversation about

1244
00:55:05,290 --> 00:55:08,859
S1: what that means for like, local storytelling in Australia. We've

1245
00:55:08,860 --> 00:55:11,680
S1: talked about quotas before. We probably will again. But broadly speaking,

1246
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:15,969
S1: from an international perspective, that's probably where I see things going.

1247
00:55:15,969 --> 00:55:20,800
S1: And shows and films like Irish, which bizarrely make strategic

1248
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,030
S1: sense for the time being.

1249
00:55:22,030 --> 00:55:23,799
S2: Yeah, I think that's probably fair. And also like the

1250
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,410
S2: cost of living crisis. The reality of that is, is

1251
00:55:26,410 --> 00:55:30,520
S2: that people are dropping streaming platforms from their bills, and

1252
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,100
S2: the one they are keeping is Netflix. So it is

1253
00:55:33,100 --> 00:55:37,450
S2: kind of helping Netflix remain supreme because people are ditching

1254
00:55:37,450 --> 00:55:39,610
S2: these other ones that they don't see as necessary as

1255
00:55:39,610 --> 00:55:40,780
S2: Netflix 100%.

1256
00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:43,120
S3: When I did, we did a family budget earlier this year,

1257
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:44,529
S3: and one of the first things I had to go

1258
00:55:44,530 --> 00:55:46,210
S3: through and audit was like all of my I mean,

1259
00:55:46,210 --> 00:55:48,190
S3: I say audit, I just emailed everyone that I know

1260
00:55:48,190 --> 00:55:49,540
S3: that works with these companies, like, can I please get

1261
00:55:49,540 --> 00:55:52,509
S3: a free subscription? But yeah, like the only one that

1262
00:55:52,510 --> 00:55:55,480
S3: I was really like non-negotiable about. Besides Stan stands, the

1263
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:59,320
S3: best platform. Was Netflix. Like that one. You know, you

1264
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,990
S3: can't I can't live without Netflix. Um, so yeah, it

1265
00:56:01,989 --> 00:56:04,060
S3: is funny, like I do think people are really looking

1266
00:56:04,060 --> 00:56:06,400
S3: at because and we've had this conversation before, it's like,

1267
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,410
S3: you know, when you used to have the creme de

1268
00:56:08,410 --> 00:56:10,390
S3: la creme Foxtel package, it was like 100 bucks a month.

1269
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:12,610
S3: That's essentially if you add up all these different platforms,

1270
00:56:12,610 --> 00:56:14,259
S3: what you're paying, if you have them all. Yeah.

1271
00:56:14,260 --> 00:56:16,390
S1: And even though I go through periods where I don't

1272
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:19,180
S1: really watch a Netflix show other than, you know, just

1273
00:56:19,180 --> 00:56:21,760
S1: checking out a screener for a new release, I'd never

1274
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,980
S1: have thought about cutting it because it's just like, ultimately

1275
00:56:23,980 --> 00:56:27,730
S1: that's where everyone is living, that's where everyone is. And

1276
00:56:27,730 --> 00:56:30,700
S1: I don't want to miss out on the thing that could, like,

1277
00:56:30,700 --> 00:56:32,890
S1: imagine if I couldn't have watched Irish Wish.

1278
00:56:32,890 --> 00:56:34,000
S6: With you guys. I know we've.

1279
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:34,870
S2: Had so much fun.

1280
00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:37,450
S3: You would never know about the magic of two Irish hearts.

1281
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,219
S6: Are you gonna start wearing cravat?

1282
00:56:39,790 --> 00:56:41,740
S3: I wore a cravat to my year ten for more.

1283
00:56:41,860 --> 00:56:43,330
S6: I've shown you the photo. Yeah.

1284
00:56:43,330 --> 00:56:46,719
S1: All right. Time for our regular Impress Your Friends segment

1285
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,600
S1: where we share something we watched, read, listen to, or

1286
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:53,380
S1: otherwise enjoyed this week. And while we're talking about TV,

1287
00:56:53,650 --> 00:56:55,960
S1: let me get something off my chest real quick. I

1288
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,680
S1: ran into our colleague Calum. He was complaining to me

1289
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:03,069
S1: that he just wasn't across new television that was out

1290
00:57:03,070 --> 00:57:05,290
S1: right now. He didn't think anything out was good because

1291
00:57:05,290 --> 00:57:08,230
S1: he'd been really locked in with his partner on survivor,

1292
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:10,090
S1: and there's like 700 episodes a week, so he just

1293
00:57:10,090 --> 00:57:13,930
S1: was missing what is happening in TV land. And I

1294
00:57:13,930 --> 00:57:16,960
S1: feel like right now I've got the opposite problem drama

1295
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,480
S1: being flooded by streaming platforms. I'm just flooded by, like

1296
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,700
S1: the amount of shows that I'm watching right now and

1297
00:57:21,700 --> 00:57:24,610
S1: trying to keep up with them. I'm drowning in top

1298
00:57:24,610 --> 00:57:27,370
S1: tier television and it's really stressing me out. I've got

1299
00:57:27,370 --> 00:57:31,780
S1: Curb Your Enthusiasm, which drops on Mondays. Shogun, which I'm

1300
00:57:31,780 --> 00:57:35,560
S1: still loving, is out on Wednesdays. I'm making my way

1301
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,260
S1: through three Body Problem, as we're talking about. And now

1302
00:57:38,260 --> 00:57:42,490
S1: there's another new good prestige show on Apple TV+. It's

1303
00:57:42,490 --> 00:57:44,980
S1: called manhunt. It's pretty cool. I don't know if this

1304
00:57:44,980 --> 00:57:47,530
S1: is on your guy's radars yet. It's about the 12

1305
00:57:47,530 --> 00:57:50,590
S1: day hunt for the guy who killed Abraham Lincoln. Heard

1306
00:57:50,590 --> 00:57:51,010
S1: of him?

1307
00:57:51,550 --> 00:57:52,210
S6: Familiar?

1308
00:57:52,420 --> 00:57:53,380
S3: Thomas. John Wilkes Booth.

1309
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:54,550
S6: That's the.

1310
00:57:54,550 --> 00:57:57,100
S1: Guy. The late in this movie. He's a character who

1311
00:57:57,100 --> 00:57:59,740
S1: plays his secretary of war, who was in charge of

1312
00:57:59,740 --> 00:58:02,680
S1: the hunt. He's played by Tobias Menzies, the British actor

1313
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:04,930
S1: who's been in The Crown, Game of Thrones, Rome, like,

1314
00:58:04,930 --> 00:58:07,210
S1: I love Tobias Menzies. So it's pretty hooked in when

1315
00:58:07,210 --> 00:58:08,920
S1: I knew that he was in this show. This show

1316
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,140
S1: is it's sick, it's slick, it's fun. There's heaps of

1317
00:58:11,140 --> 00:58:14,170
S1: history about that era that I don't know anything about.

1318
00:58:14,170 --> 00:58:17,560
S1: And it's like a cool true crime murder mystery. So

1319
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,660
S1: I'm excited to watch. The first two episodes are out

1320
00:58:19,660 --> 00:58:21,820
S1: on Apple TV+, but I am starting to feel a

1321
00:58:21,820 --> 00:58:24,730
S1: bit like Stressed Out about keeping up to date with

1322
00:58:24,730 --> 00:58:27,220
S1: the shows I like. Plus watching all this stuff that

1323
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,590
S1: I have to watch to be across what's going on.

1324
00:58:29,590 --> 00:58:29,950
S1: Just to add.

1325
00:58:29,950 --> 00:58:33,190
S3: To your anxiety, this isn't my official recommendation, but, uh,

1326
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:37,600
S3: hitting platforms yesterday was Pom Royale, the new Kristen Wiig comedy.

1327
00:58:37,810 --> 00:58:39,820
S1: That's another one that's on my list that looks awesome.

1328
00:58:39,820 --> 00:58:41,950
S3: Apple. I feel like this could be the thing. Like,

1329
00:58:41,950 --> 00:58:44,110
S3: Kristen Wiig is so funny and everyone loves her, but

1330
00:58:44,110 --> 00:58:45,400
S3: I feel like everyone's been waiting for her to have

1331
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,370
S3: like one single project that she totally dominates. I think

1332
00:58:48,370 --> 00:58:50,620
S3: this could be it. Um, it's an adaptation of Juliet

1333
00:58:50,620 --> 00:58:54,700
S3: MacDonald's 2018 novel Mr. and Mrs. American Pie. Um, but yeah, basically,

1334
00:58:54,700 --> 00:58:57,550
S3: Kristen Wiig plays this socialite, Maxine Simmons. It's set in

1335
00:58:57,550 --> 00:59:00,640
S3: the 60s in Palm Beach high society, so that's very

1336
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,190
S3: good too. So, yes, uh, it's very stressful for people

1337
00:59:03,190 --> 00:59:06,010
S3: and their choice paralysis, but it's been just having Irish

1338
00:59:06,010 --> 00:59:08,110
S3: wish on Rupert for something.

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00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,060
S1: Well, you know what? You know what? We probably didn't

1340
00:59:10,060 --> 00:59:13,690
S1: explain that enough as a reason why these shows may

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00:59:13,690 --> 00:59:15,730
S1: be our puppet. We talked about this sort of like

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00:59:15,730 --> 00:59:17,890
S1: tune in, drop out kind of a thing, but sorry

1343
00:59:17,890 --> 00:59:20,860
S1: to hijack the the recommendation segment, but there is so

1344
00:59:20,860 --> 00:59:23,350
S1: much choice even on Netflix is so much choice. So

1345
00:59:23,350 --> 00:59:26,380
S1: why not just watch the thing that is there and like,

1346
00:59:26,380 --> 00:59:28,690
S1: let it wash over you without having to worry about?

1347
00:59:28,690 --> 00:59:30,820
S1: Is this going to be good enough? It's 96 and

1348
00:59:30,820 --> 00:59:33,010
S1: Rotten Tomatoes. But there's other ones. 98 run tomatoes. Like,

1349
00:59:33,010 --> 00:59:34,930
S1: what do I do with my family tonight? Like it's

1350
00:59:34,930 --> 00:59:37,240
S1: date night? We're going to cook some food and watch something.

1351
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,250
S1: I feel like that is a real problem. A lot

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00:59:39,250 --> 00:59:41,290
S1: of people experience day to day, night to night, when

1353
00:59:41,290 --> 00:59:43,870
S1: they come home from work and are tired. And why

1354
00:59:43,870 --> 00:59:45,340
S1: not watch something that's not going to make you think?

1355
00:59:45,340 --> 00:59:48,070
S1: And it's number one on Netflix, right? That's probably another factor.

1356
00:59:48,100 --> 00:59:49,720
S3: What are we watching tonight and what are we having

1357
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,180
S3: for dinner? Are the two questions that like just leave

1358
00:59:52,180 --> 00:59:56,110
S3: households across the country like in turmoil. So I mean,

1359
00:59:56,110 --> 00:59:58,030
S3: it's easy when someone makes that decision for you, which

1360
00:59:58,030 --> 00:59:59,020
S3: is what we're doing right now.

1361
00:59:59,290 --> 01:00:00,940
S1: Which is what we're doing. And and on that. So

1362
01:00:00,940 --> 01:00:04,480
S1: that Palm Royal was not your wreck, Thomas, but what is.

1363
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,930
S3: Yes. So my, uh, recommendation this week is a book. Uh,

1364
01:00:07,930 --> 01:00:12,070
S3: so pause for applause. Uh, it's by Liam Piper. It's appreciation.

1365
01:00:12,190 --> 01:00:14,350
S3: I think you guys are both across this, uh. In fact,

1366
01:00:14,350 --> 01:00:15,430
S3: I know you are oseman.

1367
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:18,100
S1: I am across the book. I'm actually, uh, launching Liam's

1368
01:00:18,100 --> 01:00:21,970
S1: book at readings and Carlton, uh, this week tonight. In fact,

1369
01:00:21,970 --> 01:00:22,840
S1: when recording this.

1370
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:24,220
S3: On Wednesday, uh. Very exciting.

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01:00:24,220 --> 01:00:27,940
S1: So maybe they'll be in, uh, Irish style, you know, 50.

1372
01:00:28,900 --> 01:00:29,500
S6: Ready for the.

1373
01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:32,230
S3: Press pack that awaits you. Yeah. So basically, he's, uh,

1374
01:00:32,230 --> 01:00:33,820
S3: Liam Piper is obviously a writer that we all know.

1375
01:00:33,820 --> 01:00:36,340
S3: He's written for our mastheads many times, and appreciation is

1376
01:00:36,340 --> 01:00:39,700
S3: a really interesting, uh, book because it looks at something

1377
01:00:39,700 --> 01:00:42,760
S3: I've always found curious, which is the, I guess, the

1378
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,880
S3: peeking behind the curtains of ghost writers. Um, Liam is

1379
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,580
S3: a is a well known ghostwriter for many, uh, famous Australians.

1380
01:00:48,580 --> 01:00:52,240
S3: But the book basically follows this fictional Australian painter, Allie darling,

1381
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:53,950
S3: who has been kind of like, you know, a young

1382
01:00:53,950 --> 01:00:56,620
S3: up and comer who's become part of the embedded in

1383
01:00:56,620 --> 01:00:59,560
S3: the Australian art scene. Uh, and then he kind of

1384
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,050
S3: suffers a bit of a fall from grace. And the

1385
01:01:02,050 --> 01:01:04,780
S3: book then looks into, I guess, like a lot of this, like,

1386
01:01:04,780 --> 01:01:07,300
S3: you know, not cancel culture per se, but how do you,

1387
01:01:07,300 --> 01:01:09,850
S3: you know, reputation, rehab and the way he does that

1388
01:01:09,850 --> 01:01:11,440
S3: as he decides to write a memoir and then it

1389
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,200
S3: looks at, um, what goes into that? Yeah. Liam's a

1390
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,800
S3: great writer and it feels very contemporary. It's very funny. Um,

1391
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:19,720
S3: and I've been really enjoying that. I've got sent it

1392
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:21,880
S3: a few weeks ago, so. Yeah, that's my wreck. It's

1393
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,220
S3: out this week, so grab a copy if you can.

1394
01:01:24,220 --> 01:01:27,610
S1: Yeah. Great book. He's a great, uh, writer, and he reviews, uh,

1395
01:01:27,610 --> 01:01:30,280
S1: lots of live stuff for us across Melbourne as well.

1396
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,490
S1: Really good shout, Thomas and look, I can't recommend you

1397
01:01:33,490 --> 01:01:35,380
S1: come to the book launch because by the time you

1398
01:01:35,380 --> 01:01:37,270
S1: hear this, it will have happened, but I'm sure it

1399
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:38,110
S1: will have been great.

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01:01:38,110 --> 01:01:40,390
S3: So we're looking forward to attending your wedding in Ireland

1401
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:41,110
S3: in five months.

1402
01:01:42,490 --> 01:01:43,810
S1: Uh, Mel, what have you got for us?

1403
01:01:43,810 --> 01:01:46,570
S2: I went and saw Love Lies Bleeding at the movies

1404
01:01:46,570 --> 01:01:49,150
S2: on the weekend. That's, um, the new film by Rose

1405
01:01:49,150 --> 01:01:51,940
S2: glass with, um, Kristen Stewart in it, and Katie O'Brien

1406
01:01:51,940 --> 01:01:54,760
S2: is the, um, other one. And Dave Franco also has

1407
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:56,920
S2: a role in it. Uh, after watching, like, I feel

1408
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:00,310
S2: like I've been really watching heaps of Oscar worthy films

1409
01:02:00,310 --> 01:02:02,230
S2: in the lead up to the Oscars, and this film

1410
01:02:02,230 --> 01:02:06,160
S2: was just so different. It's so much fun. Um, and

1411
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,830
S2: as well as being quite like it's got this great aesthetic.

1412
01:02:08,830 --> 01:02:11,560
S2: Kristen Stewart plays, she works at a gym, and she

1413
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,560
S2: falls in love with Katy O'Brien's character, who is preparing

1414
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:18,640
S2: for the bodybuilding championships. Um, Kristen Stewart's dad is a

1415
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,160
S2: crime lord. He's played by Ed Harris, and they kind

1416
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:25,480
S2: of get embroiled in a plot of revenge. Um, and

1417
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:29,110
S2: it's really fast pace. It's really graphic. Um, there's a

1418
01:02:29,110 --> 01:02:32,380
S2: lot of violence and blood and poo and all kinds

1419
01:02:32,380 --> 01:02:35,530
S2: of things. Um, but it's also just a really good time.

1420
01:02:35,530 --> 01:02:37,540
S2: Like two hours flew really fast. It's a kind of

1421
01:02:37,540 --> 01:02:41,110
S2: out there film, like the character almost becomes Hulk like.

1422
01:02:41,110 --> 01:02:43,240
S2: I think it's a metaphor. I don't think she's actually

1423
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,400
S2: becoming a Hulk kind of figure. I think it's female

1424
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:49,630
S2: rage being kind of embodied on screen. Who's to say? Um, yeah.

1425
01:02:49,630 --> 01:02:52,330
S2: I don't know if it's for everyone, but, um, I

1426
01:02:52,330 --> 01:02:54,880
S2: think it's definitely worth seeing. And I think Kristen Stewart,

1427
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,740
S2: we were talking about her the other week, and Spencer

1428
01:02:56,740 --> 01:02:57,700
S2: is just kind of.

1429
01:02:57,700 --> 01:02:59,740
S1: Yeah, we forgot to mention she was actually nominated for

1430
01:02:59,740 --> 01:03:01,360
S1: an Academy Award for that performance.

1431
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:02,770
S6: Yeah, yeah, she's.

1432
01:03:02,770 --> 01:03:05,350
S2: Just fantastic in it. And I just like, I just

1433
01:03:05,350 --> 01:03:07,660
S2: want to see her have more roles where she can

1434
01:03:07,660 --> 01:03:09,220
S2: deliver her full potential.

1435
01:03:09,220 --> 01:03:11,230
S3: Do you feel like you want to hit the gym now?

1436
01:03:11,230 --> 01:03:12,580
S3: Because there's, like, a lot of steroid use in that.

1437
01:03:12,580 --> 01:03:13,390
S6: Yeah, a lot of steroids.

1438
01:03:13,570 --> 01:03:16,750
S3: It's like maybe bench the Scoot Pilates membership and start

1439
01:03:16,750 --> 01:03:17,680
S3: doing some heavy lifting.

1440
01:03:18,130 --> 01:03:19,300
S6: I reckon. So like the.

1441
01:03:19,300 --> 01:03:21,310
S2: Steroids, she could really lift some stuff off.

1442
01:03:21,580 --> 01:03:22,570
S1: Pilates. Mel, I didn't know that.

1443
01:03:22,660 --> 01:03:23,169
S6: I did a bit of.

1444
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:23,680
S2: Do a bit of the.

1445
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:24,250
S6: Pilates.

1446
01:03:24,250 --> 01:03:25,450
S3: I also had you been you've.

1447
01:03:25,450 --> 01:03:28,510
S6: Been starting boxing, I did go I.

1448
01:03:28,510 --> 01:03:30,250
S2: Did go to a boxing class the other day for

1449
01:03:30,250 --> 01:03:32,890
S2: a story. So, um, that was quite an experience. I could.

1450
01:03:32,890 --> 01:03:33,820
S6: Not like.

1451
01:03:33,820 --> 01:03:35,170
S1: Reformer Pilates or different.

1452
01:03:35,170 --> 01:03:37,540
S2: Yeah, it is reform. Apologies. I don't go on the mat.

1453
01:03:37,540 --> 01:03:38,620
S2: That looks way too hard.

1454
01:03:38,620 --> 01:03:40,150
S1: You know that's named after it. Do you know what

1455
01:03:40,150 --> 01:03:40,570
S1: Pilates is?

1456
01:03:40,690 --> 01:03:41,140
S6: I know.

1457
01:03:41,140 --> 01:03:43,930
S2: Joseph Pilates. Right. The figure, I believe.

1458
01:03:43,930 --> 01:03:44,740
S6: Yeah. So. Yeah.

1459
01:03:44,740 --> 01:03:46,630
S2: Yeah, yeah. There you go. Don't try and school me

1460
01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:49,540
S2: in these replies. Have you ever been on a reformer bed?

1461
01:03:49,660 --> 01:03:50,020
S6: I've.

1462
01:03:50,020 --> 01:03:51,640
S1: No, no no I'm not, I'm not I'm not trying

1463
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,770
S1: to say that it's like not good or whatever. I've

1464
01:03:53,770 --> 01:03:55,990
S1: never done it. It's impressive. I just think you live

1465
01:03:55,990 --> 01:04:00,160
S1: a very rounded and successful and happy and healthy life.

1466
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,010
S1: And to also learn that part of that is, is

1467
01:04:03,010 --> 01:04:05,980
S1: Pilates that you go to regularly is also impressive to me.

1468
01:04:05,980 --> 01:04:08,830
S1: It's very it's very cool. Look, I am looking forward

1469
01:04:08,830 --> 01:04:11,110
S1: to watching more movies like Love Lies Bleeding and less

1470
01:04:11,110 --> 01:04:13,930
S1: films like Irish Wish, but I did enjoy breaking that

1471
01:04:13,930 --> 01:04:16,390
S1: one down with you. Maybe we should think more about

1472
01:04:16,390 --> 01:04:18,820
S1: popular but terrible movies that we can talk about and

1473
01:04:18,820 --> 01:04:21,310
S1: get fired up and add a bit of a another

1474
01:04:21,310 --> 01:04:23,260
S1: dimension to what we talk about on this show.

1475
01:04:23,260 --> 01:04:26,200
S3: Definitely. I'm off to Bolivia to photograph some endangered spiders.

1476
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:33,130
S1: Thanks, guys. Bye. This episode of The Drop was produced

1477
01:04:33,130 --> 01:04:36,040
S1: by Kai Wang. If you enjoyed listening to today's episode

1478
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,050
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1479
01:04:38,050 --> 01:04:41,110
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01:04:41,110 --> 01:04:43,960
S1: share it with a friend! I'm Usman Farooqui. See you

1481
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:44,650
S1: next week!