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S1: So we are adjusting to life after the weekly succession

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S1: covering TV, film, music, culture more broadly every week. And

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S1: And that's Monday our time. And it's a show that

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S8: Is.

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S3: Exactly what I would make.

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S1: Maybe it makes sense to kind of talk about what

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S1: It wasn't like perfect, but to me there's a really

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S1: I like your comparison male to Entourage, like it did

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S1: I got no beef with him. I think his music's good.

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S1: I'm sort of sad that he's not good in this.

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S2: of like that's, that's easier for him to do well

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S1: Yeah, become the main antagonist. That's a big ass. Yeah.

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S2: And also like, you know, Co-showrunner and like I don't

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S2: I don't know how involved in writing he was, but like,

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S3: of ludicrous territory or the life of the show just

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S3: drained away.

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S2: It is kind of funny that like, you know, it's

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S2: like all there and then suddenly it's, you know, I

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S2: and Sam Levinson coming in and just like changing everything

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S2: and completely twisting the show into what it is. And

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S2: I'm sure we'll get into it. But like Sam Levinson

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S1: Which should we should we talk about that opening with

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S2: That was so weird.

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S1: It felt very odd. So, Sam Levinson, there's been kind

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S1: of mixed reports and rumors from sets, from euphoria that

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S1: perhaps not everyone on that show had a great time

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S1: and that he was very encouraging of more sex, more

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S1: nudity from his stars. And, you know, I don't want

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S1: that can be a complicated thing to resolve. And Hollywood

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S1: in the last few years in particular, has really embraced

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S1: the role of intimacy coordinator. So these are people who

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S1: particularly from the perspective of marginalized groups. You know, often

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S1: that means women, when we're talking about sex between men

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S1: itself has faced internal backlash for being so highly sexualized,

444
00:20:40,619 --> 00:20:44,430
S1: starts with like effectively the Hank Azaria character, Haim, who's

445
00:20:44,430 --> 00:20:48,480
S1: essentially the director on this set, blocking an intimacy coordinator

446
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,570
S1: in a bathroom. And we're not supposed to side, I

447
00:20:51,570 --> 00:20:54,600
S1: think with the intimacy coordinator. He seems like a doofus, right?

448
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,380
S1: Like he's performatively progressive. It's not like we're on his side.

449
00:20:58,380 --> 00:21:00,630
S1: They make the guy whose job it is to protect

450
00:21:00,630 --> 00:21:03,660
S1: women look like a lunatic who doesn't care about women,

451
00:21:03,660 --> 00:21:06,899
S1: who just wants to impose this outdated, moralistic vision of

452
00:21:06,900 --> 00:21:09,330
S1: the world onto the set. And I'm like, Man, that's

453
00:21:09,330 --> 00:21:12,210
S1: a big swing given all the controversy around you, bro.

454
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,240
S3: Yeah. And they set up that kind of conversation between

455
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,200
S3: the record executive played by Jane Adams and Troy Savant,

456
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:23,219
S3: creative director character, where he's kind of representative of the

457
00:21:23,220 --> 00:21:26,879
S3: college educated Internet people. And she says like, let people

458
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,490
S3: enjoy sex, drugs and hot girls stop trying to cock

459
00:21:29,490 --> 00:21:32,520
S3: block America. So trying to obviously play out that dilemma

460
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,820
S3: that's going on outside of the show. I thought it

461
00:21:35,820 --> 00:21:37,920
S3: was a bit overworked because it went on for a

462
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,980
S3: long time, like there were so many references. And then

463
00:21:40,980 --> 00:21:43,830
S3: Lily-Rose Depp gets in there and is like my boob,

464
00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:46,620
S3: my house. I'm a new rallying cry for a new

465
00:21:46,619 --> 00:21:48,130
S3: generation of feminist.

466
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:49,020
S2: Whack that on a t.

467
00:21:49,020 --> 00:21:49,830
S8: Shirt. Yeah.

468
00:21:51,060 --> 00:21:53,370
S3: It went on for so long that thought it felt

469
00:21:53,369 --> 00:21:55,620
S3: a bit overworked. And then I was also like, if

470
00:21:55,619 --> 00:21:59,310
S3: that is what Sam Levinson sees, his show was like,

471
00:21:59,310 --> 00:22:02,609
S3: it's about sex, drugs and hot girls. Then he needs

472
00:22:02,609 --> 00:22:05,550
S3: to stop trying to fool America into thinking it's more

473
00:22:05,550 --> 00:22:07,200
S3: than that. Like, you know, I feel like he does

474
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,070
S3: have pretensions to art and high art. But if that's

475
00:22:11,070 --> 00:22:13,859
S3: ultimately what he sees his work is about and that's

476
00:22:13,859 --> 00:22:16,230
S3: the defense of it, then that's fine. But, you know,

477
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:18,000
S3: he needs to sit with that, too.

478
00:22:18,330 --> 00:22:20,730
S1: Yeah, there was some I mean, there's a whole take

479
00:22:20,730 --> 00:22:25,230
S1: cycle around the highly sexualized nature of the show, right? Like,

480
00:22:25,230 --> 00:22:28,620
S1: I think after Khan, a lot of the criticism was

481
00:22:28,619 --> 00:22:32,070
S1: it's very raunchy. The politics of the sex are perhaps

482
00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:35,159
S1: not great in the sense that, you know, there's 50

483
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,190
S1: Shades esque elements of, you know, a bittersweet relationship with

484
00:22:38,190 --> 00:22:40,470
S1: the weekend's character. I got to say, all that stuff

485
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:42,930
S1: didn't really bother me. Like, I'm not like I'm not

486
00:22:42,930 --> 00:22:45,690
S1: a prude. I'm not really against sex in TV. It

487
00:22:45,690 --> 00:22:48,449
S1: does seem we are living in a I don't know

488
00:22:48,450 --> 00:22:50,910
S1: whether it's a generational thing or whatever, but that does

489
00:22:50,910 --> 00:22:52,770
S1: seem to be a lot of people who feel quite

490
00:22:52,770 --> 00:22:57,359
S1: distressed at the idea of something this sexualized being on

491
00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:01,800
S1: television and such explicit references to sex. I'm not really

492
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,840
S1: bothered by that, but I just kind of think that

493
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,170
S1: it doesn't serve a purpose. Like it's like we're going

494
00:23:07,170 --> 00:23:10,950
S1: to shock you with. Sex talk and this stuff, but

495
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:13,890
S1: for no reason other than to shock you and then

496
00:23:13,890 --> 00:23:15,959
S1: to be able to say, huh, you don't like this show,

497
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,540
S1: You're a prude. You don't get us like we we

498
00:23:18,540 --> 00:23:20,970
S1: know how sex works these days. Ha ha ha. And

499
00:23:20,970 --> 00:23:22,350
S1: I'm like, Well, that's great if you're going to do

500
00:23:22,350 --> 00:23:25,770
S1: a lot of, like, interesting, kinky sex things, that's fine.

501
00:23:25,770 --> 00:23:28,470
S1: But could it fulfill a purpose for this story other

502
00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:30,419
S1: than just being gratuitous like you're saying, Mel?

503
00:23:30,780 --> 00:23:33,149
S3: Yeah. I mean, I think we obviously are going to

504
00:23:33,150 --> 00:23:36,060
S3: need to talk about the semen on the face photo

505
00:23:36,060 --> 00:23:37,800
S3: and whether I mean, that was the first.

506
00:23:37,950 --> 00:23:39,420
S1: Came out of nowhere. If you have not seen this

507
00:23:39,420 --> 00:23:41,540
S1: show and that's the first reference you've heard to it.

508
00:23:41,550 --> 00:23:45,990
S3: Sorry, I'm referring to the photo in the show. Um, yeah. Yeah.

509
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,410
S3: Mean that was the first point when I thought, oh,

510
00:23:49,410 --> 00:23:53,790
S3: he is doing provocation for provocations sake. When they showed

511
00:23:53,790 --> 00:23:54,600
S3: that like I want to just.

512
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,790
S1: Explain for, for people who haven't seen it maybe like

513
00:23:56,790 --> 00:23:59,310
S1: what that plot line is and why it felt because

514
00:23:59,310 --> 00:24:00,659
S1: I agree with you, it felt a bit weird to

515
00:24:00,660 --> 00:24:02,160
S1: then show the actual thing.

516
00:24:02,670 --> 00:24:05,490
S3: So this is the show kind of starts off with

517
00:24:05,490 --> 00:24:08,399
S3: all the grey beards or the boiled eggs discussing the

518
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,630
S3: new scandal that's engulfing Jocelyn, which is that a photo

519
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:15,690
S3: of her has leaked on the internet with semen on

520
00:24:15,690 --> 00:24:19,830
S3: her face. Um, a kind of revenge porn incident. And

521
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:22,500
S3: it's gone everywhere. And they're talking about it and how

522
00:24:22,500 --> 00:24:25,320
S3: to solve it. And I feel like Thomas is giving

523
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,389
S3: me some looks over here. They're talking about how to

524
00:24:27,390 --> 00:24:29,730
S3: solve it and what to do and whether to tell Jocelyn.

525
00:24:29,730 --> 00:24:32,220
S3: And then at one point they showed Jocelyn the photo

526
00:24:32,220 --> 00:24:35,390
S3: and viewers at home, we see the picture of I

527
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,290
S3: feel like this is very unfair that you've made me

528
00:24:37,290 --> 00:24:39,060
S3: describe this. They always see the picture.

529
00:24:39,150 --> 00:24:40,920
S2: It would be worse if it would be worse if

530
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:41,490
S2: we did it.

531
00:24:41,580 --> 00:24:42,750
S1: You literally brought it up.

532
00:24:42,750 --> 00:24:44,040
S8: I was. I thought we'd I.

533
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:45,600
S1: Thought we didn't need to get into this stuff. But

534
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:46,980
S1: you wanted to talk about it. So here we.

535
00:24:46,980 --> 00:24:49,080
S3: Are. I thought semen on the face was enough.

536
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:50,910
S2: Do we get into the asphyxia? Wank?

537
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,060
S1: I think if I'm. If I'm understanding where you're going, right,

538
00:24:57,060 --> 00:25:00,060
S1: is like, there's. There's an interesting plot about, like, how

539
00:25:00,060 --> 00:25:02,639
S1: they deal with the scandal of this leaked nude which

540
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,090
S1: just sidebar I felt was a bit overdone. Also like

541
00:25:06,090 --> 00:25:08,220
S1: in this day and age, are they all really losing

542
00:25:08,220 --> 00:25:11,790
S1: their minds that a young woman, pop star like I'm

543
00:25:11,790 --> 00:25:14,010
S1: not trying to defend revenge porn, obviously, but it's like

544
00:25:14,010 --> 00:25:16,379
S1: this is not going to be a scandal that destroys

545
00:25:16,380 --> 00:25:19,500
S1: her career. That's not how the world works in 2023 anyway.

546
00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:22,469
S1: They have this discussion. It's kind of interesting and you

547
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:24,389
S1: kind of we've moved on as an audience, but then

548
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:27,659
S1: they show you the photo and it's like, Why did

549
00:25:27,660 --> 00:25:30,120
S1: that need to happen? Like, we didn't need to see that, Really?

550
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,000
S3: Yeah. I mean, they described it in so much detail

551
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,879
S3: and like, it was only going to really look one way, right?

552
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:37,679
S3: It just felt and that was yeah, I think that

553
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,600
S3: was the point where it all kind of then started

554
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,210
S3: to build up. And I have to say with Lily-Rose Depp,

555
00:25:42,210 --> 00:25:45,870
S3: like there is so much unnecessary shots of the camera,

556
00:25:45,869 --> 00:25:49,560
S3: like between her legs and looking upwards. You know, even

557
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,480
S3: one of the opening shots where she's waking up out

558
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,389
S3: of bed and she just like crawls towards her phone

559
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:56,940
S3: and it's just a shot of her her bottom in

560
00:25:56,940 --> 00:26:00,180
S3: front of the camera or even when she's doing the

561
00:26:00,180 --> 00:26:02,970
S3: dancing show and she's wearing that little number and it's

562
00:26:02,970 --> 00:26:05,130
S3: kind of like they weren't filming. Why would she wear

563
00:26:05,130 --> 00:26:08,970
S3: that to rehearsal? Like, that's a very uncomfortable outfit to

564
00:26:08,970 --> 00:26:11,490
S3: do such a high level dance in. And again, it's

565
00:26:11,490 --> 00:26:14,310
S3: not like I like, don't have a problem with seeing

566
00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:17,550
S3: that on TV, even though Rory would obviously never be

567
00:26:17,550 --> 00:26:21,270
S3: caught dead in such attire. But but it did kind

568
00:26:21,270 --> 00:26:23,400
S3: of to me, it did play into that idea of, yeah,

569
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,800
S3: this is a show that is doing this to be

570
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:30,270
S3: sexy or shocking or provocative, and maybe it's being a

571
00:26:30,270 --> 00:26:32,670
S3: bit disingenuous about that intention.

572
00:26:32,970 --> 00:26:34,890
S2: I tend to agree with you. And I think like

573
00:26:34,890 --> 00:26:37,020
S2: similar to you, I was like, I don't I'm fine

574
00:26:37,020 --> 00:26:40,410
S2: with like, you know, whatever type of like kink exploration

575
00:26:40,410 --> 00:26:42,330
S2: we want to do on TV if it serves a purpose.

576
00:26:42,330 --> 00:26:44,400
S2: But the whole time watching it, I just got this

577
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,040
S2: feeling like I couldn't separate the fact that I felt

578
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,850
S2: like I was watching Sam Levinson's weird, like spank bank

579
00:26:50,850 --> 00:26:53,460
S2: play out on screen or something. He's like that guy

580
00:26:53,460 --> 00:26:55,890
S2: in high school that, like, claims he he like is

581
00:26:55,890 --> 00:26:57,720
S2: the first person to have sex or whatever. And then

582
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,340
S2: just like talks about it and you're like, you've probably

583
00:26:59,340 --> 00:27:01,770
S2: never done any of this. But it's so like. Like, yeah, like,

584
00:27:01,770 --> 00:27:04,170
S2: you know, obviously the semen on the face scene. And

585
00:27:04,170 --> 00:27:07,200
S2: then like, later on, after she first meets the weekend's character,

586
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,840
S2: she goes home and, like, masturbates while choking herself, which

587
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,449
S2: is like, you know, I guess like you can feel

588
00:27:12,450 --> 00:27:14,250
S2: them trying to shock you. But I'm just like, man,

589
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,220
S2: it feels like we're just getting this weird insight into

590
00:27:17,220 --> 00:27:19,889
S2: whatever you're like gets you off. But it doesn't seem

591
00:27:19,890 --> 00:27:22,169
S2: to make sense to the story, nor does it seem

592
00:27:22,170 --> 00:27:25,770
S2: like you're trying to even make it make sense. It's

593
00:27:25,770 --> 00:27:28,140
S2: just like you're putting it out there because you're kind

594
00:27:28,140 --> 00:27:30,240
S2: of into it and you want people to react to it.

595
00:27:30,390 --> 00:27:34,170
S1: I think hunger for reaction has trumped any any other

596
00:27:34,170 --> 00:27:36,060
S1: interesting things about what the show could have been about.

597
00:27:36,060 --> 00:27:37,859
S1: And I think when the weekend said, you know, there

598
00:27:37,859 --> 00:27:40,350
S1: was too much of the female perspective, I feel like

599
00:27:40,350 --> 00:27:42,630
S1: they've gone completely in the other direction. Like this is

600
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:45,690
S1: all about the male gaze on Jocelyn, and we have

601
00:27:45,690 --> 00:27:48,689
S1: lost any sense of what she thinks about the world

602
00:27:48,690 --> 00:27:52,350
S1: around her. Really. Like the only scenes we really get

603
00:27:52,350 --> 00:27:55,290
S1: of her on her own are like those Thomas her

604
00:27:55,290 --> 00:27:59,100
S1: fantasizing to the weekend and pleasuring herself but from a

605
00:27:59,100 --> 00:28:02,400
S1: perspective of voyeurism of Sam Levinson wanting to watch this,

606
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,480
S1: it's like Quentin Tarantino always having these shots where women

607
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,730
S1: are like doing things to their feet and a character.

608
00:28:08,730 --> 00:28:10,800
S1: Is doing stuff with their feet because he's obsessed with

609
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,080
S1: feet stuff. Right. That's the only reason those things exist

610
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,360
S1: in his films. And I think it's the same in

611
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,280
S1: this show. I thought your point was so interesting, Thomas,

612
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,670
S1: about how it's almost like they don't really know how

613
00:28:20,670 --> 00:28:22,859
S1: sex works, but they're trying to show off that they do.

614
00:28:22,859 --> 00:28:24,960
S1: And it made me think that there's almost a really

615
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,990
S1: meta line towards the end of the show where the

616
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:30,450
S1: weekends character says to her when he's sort of giving

617
00:28:30,450 --> 00:28:32,609
S1: her tips on how to record a song, you're singing

618
00:28:32,609 --> 00:28:36,000
S1: the song about being like this kind of nasty go

619
00:28:36,030 --> 00:28:39,270
S1: freak or whatever, but it doesn't sound like you fucked, right?

620
00:28:39,270 --> 00:28:41,790
S1: And I'm like, This show doesn't sound like anyone's fucked.

621
00:28:41,790 --> 00:28:43,440
S8: Like, it's like they.

622
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,110
S1: Googled, like, what are people into now? Right? And, like,

623
00:28:46,110 --> 00:28:48,420
S1: put that out there. We've covered a bunch of stuff,

624
00:28:48,420 --> 00:28:52,500
S1: but we haven't really gone deep on Tedros, the weekend's character,

625
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:53,070
S1: because it's.

626
00:28:53,070 --> 00:28:54,300
S2: The worst character on TV, right?

627
00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:56,700
S3: That's right. Yeah. I have nothing else to add.

628
00:28:56,730 --> 00:28:57,570
S8: I used to live.

629
00:28:57,570 --> 00:29:00,060
S2: With two student actors and they once dragged me to

630
00:29:00,060 --> 00:29:04,320
S2: a three hour fucking student production of farce. Honestly, better acting.

631
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:05,640
S8: In that than this.

632
00:29:06,570 --> 00:29:09,360
S2: Weekend. Oh, man. I just want to.

633
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,240
S1: Talk about the point at which they they meet and like,

634
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,420
S1: which is supposed to be the genesis of Jocelyn's infatuation

635
00:29:15,420 --> 00:29:18,780
S1: with the weekend. So the weekend is like a nightclub owner, right?

636
00:29:18,780 --> 00:29:21,630
S1: And she seems quite blown away by that. It's like

637
00:29:21,630 --> 00:29:24,810
S1: you're a multimillionaire pop star. You could own any club

638
00:29:24,810 --> 00:29:27,660
S1: you wanted to. Why are you so excited about this guy?

639
00:29:27,660 --> 00:29:29,820
S1: And then his pick up line is like talking to

640
00:29:29,820 --> 00:29:32,190
S1: her about Prince. Is that does that work for you, Tom?

641
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:33,570
S1: Is that's that's what you do, right?

642
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,700
S2: I'm actually more of a John Mayer guy, as you

643
00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:36,260
S2: both know.

644
00:29:36,290 --> 00:29:38,160
S3: Oh, no. Also complicated.

645
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,090
S2: Jocelyn, your body is indeed a wonderland. No, I think

646
00:29:42,090 --> 00:29:44,250
S2: the problem is. Okay, firstly, yes, it's a it's a

647
00:29:44,250 --> 00:29:47,940
S2: lazy device. And maybe if you had someone that was

648
00:29:47,940 --> 00:29:51,840
S2: charismatic and didn't have like, spray on hair with a

649
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,120
S2: rat's tail, then perhaps they could pull it off. But

650
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,290
S2: he is just so like just unbelievable in that role

651
00:29:58,290 --> 00:30:01,020
S2: that it makes it really difficult. And also the writing,

652
00:30:01,020 --> 00:30:03,060
S2: the writing we can kind of talk about some of

653
00:30:03,060 --> 00:30:06,120
S2: it is okay, the writing for him is appalling and

654
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,580
S2: I just couldn't like, yeah, So like you said, they

655
00:30:08,580 --> 00:30:10,740
S2: meet in a club, she's out, she's had a bad day.

656
00:30:10,740 --> 00:30:12,600
S2: So she goes off to kind of blow off steam.

657
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,850
S2: She is meant to be this superstar and people are

658
00:30:14,850 --> 00:30:16,410
S2: kind of reacting to her. And it's got, you know,

659
00:30:16,410 --> 00:30:18,600
S2: like that kind of like like we see those pictures

660
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:19,920
S2: of like Justin Bieber when he goes out and he's

661
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,100
S2: ushered into the club. It's that kind of energy. And

662
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:25,410
S2: then he is like the nightclub owner. He jumps on

663
00:30:25,410 --> 00:30:27,330
S2: the mic at his own club, which is huge red

664
00:30:27,330 --> 00:30:29,580
S2: flag number one. And then he kind of proceeds to

665
00:30:29,580 --> 00:30:32,910
S2: to like do this kind of like gear. But again,

666
00:30:32,910 --> 00:30:34,800
S2: it's like not even it feels like he's kind of

667
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,260
S2: like at a wedding or something. And then he he

668
00:30:37,260 --> 00:30:39,390
S2: calls her out. He's like, Oh, my God, Jocelyn's here.

669
00:30:39,390 --> 00:30:40,800
S2: And he's like, I'm going to come and dance with you.

670
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,710
S2: And like, man, in reality, if that was like, I

671
00:30:43,710 --> 00:30:45,830
S2: don't know, who's like a hot girl that was like Rada.

672
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,640
S2: And the club was like, going to come and dance

673
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,290
S2: with you. Like there would be like ten security guards

674
00:30:49,290 --> 00:30:50,580
S2: that shut that shit down immediately.

675
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:51,120
S8: Yeah.

676
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,100
S1: Again, it's like Sam Levinson hasn't had sex and he's

677
00:30:53,100 --> 00:30:55,110
S1: never been to a nightclub like this is why is

678
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:57,540
S1: this man writing this stuff and why people putting it

679
00:30:57,540 --> 00:30:57,870
S1: to air?

680
00:30:57,900 --> 00:30:58,710
S8: It's ridiculous.

681
00:30:58,710 --> 00:31:00,810
S3: Yeah. And the idea that he's meant to be some

682
00:31:00,810 --> 00:31:02,910
S3: and I don't think saying he's a cult leader is

683
00:31:02,910 --> 00:31:05,220
S3: a is a spoiler because they do it is on

684
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,050
S3: when you watch it on the show promos yeah it's

685
00:31:07,170 --> 00:31:09,030
S3: on all the show promos like the idea that he's

686
00:31:09,030 --> 00:31:12,420
S3: meant to have this natural appeal that draws people to

687
00:31:12,420 --> 00:31:16,260
S3: him and under his influence just seems so unbelievable to me. Like,

688
00:31:16,260 --> 00:31:19,320
S3: you know, cult leaders are often they have great grasp

689
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,720
S3: of the English language, but he's saying stuff like, how

690
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,180
S3: could anyone not help but fall in love with you? Like,

691
00:31:24,180 --> 00:31:26,250
S3: that's not I'm not joining that cult.

692
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,459
S2: Are you are you like kind of like subbing the

693
00:31:29,460 --> 00:31:30,500
S2: cult as you watch this show?

694
00:31:30,690 --> 00:31:33,030
S3: I'm like, Show me your John Berryman or like, it's

695
00:31:33,030 --> 00:31:34,020
S3: a no from me.

696
00:31:34,500 --> 00:31:37,620
S1: Okay. So we don't think the weekend works in this show,

697
00:31:37,620 --> 00:31:40,680
S1: but it didn't need to be like that, right? Thomas Like,

698
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,920
S1: there's been other examples where we've had big name stars

699
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,100
S1: who haven't necessarily been actors. Like I'm thinking like Lady

700
00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:49,410
S1: Gaga in A Star is Born. That was a pretty

701
00:31:49,410 --> 00:31:50,220
S1: good example.

702
00:31:50,220 --> 00:31:52,260
S2: Yeah, Lady Gaga was the one I thought of as well.

703
00:31:52,260 --> 00:31:54,180
S2: Like A Star is Born and she was amazing in that.

704
00:31:54,180 --> 00:31:56,729
S2: And then Harry Styles, probably the most obvious other one

705
00:31:56,730 --> 00:31:58,950
S2: because he's like a pop star of the same I mean,

706
00:31:58,950 --> 00:32:01,020
S2: even bigger level than the weekend. And you know, he

707
00:32:01,020 --> 00:32:03,810
S2: was in. Don't worry, darling. Probably not as convincing as

708
00:32:03,810 --> 00:32:06,360
S2: Lady Gaga, but there has been, I guess, this history

709
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:07,020
S2: and especially in.

710
00:32:07,180 --> 00:32:09,120
S3: Mariah Carey in Glitter.

711
00:32:09,210 --> 00:32:11,520
S2: Oh, yeah. And obviously Mariah Carey in Glitter, but especially

712
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,050
S2: in like the hip hop R&B world.

713
00:32:13,050 --> 00:32:13,890
S1: J-Lo and.

714
00:32:13,890 --> 00:32:14,490
S8: Hustlers.

715
00:32:14,610 --> 00:32:17,820
S2: J.Lo and two Pack, Eminem and Eight Mile, great performance.

716
00:32:17,820 --> 00:32:20,400
S2: Even 50 Cent like these people all just crush the

717
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,330
S2: weekend and it is a dice roll that can really

718
00:32:24,330 --> 00:32:27,479
S2: pay off if done well And yeah unfortunately I don't

719
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:28,770
S2: know where do you think he ranks.

720
00:32:28,770 --> 00:32:31,170
S3: Yeah I hope he starts singing or something in the

721
00:32:31,170 --> 00:32:33,840
S3: show because that's his talent. Because it isn't acting.

722
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,920
S1: Do you remember he played himself in Uncut Gems, Right. Well,

723
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,900
S1: he performs the morning, which is really good, but I

724
00:32:39,900 --> 00:32:41,910
S1: guess that's just him performing so he didn't really have

725
00:32:41,910 --> 00:32:43,650
S1: to act, but I thought it was pretty good. I

726
00:32:43,650 --> 00:32:45,270
S1: liked that movie. I liked his performance in it.

727
00:32:45,270 --> 00:32:49,320
S2: Yeah. And like, I mean, Kevin Garnett again in that movie. Amazing.

728
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,980
S2: But I just think he really doesn't doesn't land it.

729
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:54,719
S1: I do think it's one of the worst. Answer your

730
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,850
S1: questions about ranking. I think it's probably one of the

731
00:32:56,850 --> 00:32:58,620
S1: worst attempts by pop star and.

732
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:00,300
S2: I probably would say like we've spent a lot of

733
00:33:00,300 --> 00:33:01,920
S2: time hanging sheet on this show and it's probably fair.

734
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,440
S2: The thing that things I did like about it, I

735
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,330
S2: thought the music was great. Like when she's going to

736
00:33:06,330 --> 00:33:08,570
S2: the club and there's like, like sax solos. Into that

737
00:33:08,570 --> 00:33:10,910
S2: scene and it looks great. I think it looks good.

738
00:33:11,030 --> 00:33:14,270
S3: Yes. And also, I have to say, Joselyn single had

739
00:33:14,270 --> 00:33:16,520
S3: real Dua Lipa vibes for me. Like, I reckon that's

740
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,590
S3: a banger. I want that released. To me, that was

741
00:33:18,590 --> 00:33:21,050
S3: a real kind of. That's good. That was a highlight. Yeah, I.

742
00:33:21,050 --> 00:33:24,710
S1: Got I got kind of Charlie Hyperpop elements to it.

743
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:26,870
S1: I thought the song was really good. What did you

744
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:30,200
S1: think about Lily-Rose Depp more broadly? Mal as an actor

745
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:30,830
S1: in this?

746
00:33:31,070 --> 00:33:32,810
S3: Well, I did say there was a lot of reviews

747
00:33:32,810 --> 00:33:36,070
S3: panning the show, but saying Lily-Rose Depp was really, you know,

748
00:33:36,110 --> 00:33:40,190
S3: and enigmatic as Jocelyn and I kind of disagree because

749
00:33:40,190 --> 00:33:42,110
S3: to me she didn't really have heaps of dialogue. And

750
00:33:42,110 --> 00:33:45,020
S3: I feel like all the mystery of her was purely

751
00:33:45,020 --> 00:33:48,260
S3: down to directing choices. Like, you know, I think if

752
00:33:48,260 --> 00:33:51,650
S3: you're shooting people from afar and through things, they look mysterious.

753
00:33:51,650 --> 00:33:53,780
S3: If you have the right music on, if you have

754
00:33:53,780 --> 00:33:56,870
S3: a kind of haze like she's a she's a beautiful girl.

755
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:58,850
S3: And so I think with all that direction going on,

756
00:33:58,850 --> 00:34:00,950
S3: it's hard not to make her enigmatic. And I don't

757
00:34:00,950 --> 00:34:04,400
S3: necessarily think she did a stunning performance, not that she

758
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,070
S3: had heaps to work with, but like if they kind

759
00:34:07,070 --> 00:34:09,560
S3: of shot you from the right angles, Thomas right now

760
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,239
S3: and put on a bit of music, like you'd probably

761
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,400
S3: look like you've got a bit of depth to you.

762
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:14,719
S2: Yeah, I can take that.

763
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,140
S1: Yeah, I'm with you. Malaika thought she was fine. Like

764
00:34:18,140 --> 00:34:20,030
S1: I wasn't expecting a lot and I think that she

765
00:34:20,030 --> 00:34:23,060
S1: did fine. But so much of her acting or so

766
00:34:23,060 --> 00:34:26,240
S1: much of a screen time was, as we've discussed at

767
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,620
S1: length now, just really gratuitous stuff of her looking great

768
00:34:30,620 --> 00:34:34,490
S1: and she's obviously gorgeous. So she looked good on camera

769
00:34:34,489 --> 00:34:36,350
S1: and like the bit of dialogue that she had, she

770
00:34:36,350 --> 00:34:38,959
S1: delivered fine. But I don't really think we've seen enough

771
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,089
S1: to say she's like a really good actress in this show.

772
00:34:41,540 --> 00:34:43,610
S2: Yeah, I thought she was pretty good. Like, I thought

773
00:34:43,610 --> 00:34:46,670
S2: that opening scene, like, not the best part. I thought

774
00:34:46,670 --> 00:34:48,980
S2: that like the opening scene where they kind of like

775
00:34:48,980 --> 00:34:51,020
S2: it's on her face and they slowly pan out and like,

776
00:34:51,020 --> 00:34:52,550
S2: I thought she was. I thought she was good. It

777
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:54,380
S2: was funny. I watched this like last night with my wife,

778
00:34:54,380 --> 00:34:56,390
S2: and my wife was like, Do you reckon Johnny Depp

779
00:34:56,390 --> 00:35:00,560
S2: has watched this show? And I was like, probably, yes.

780
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,089
S1: He was at Cannes, you know, what's he going to do,

781
00:35:02,090 --> 00:35:03,560
S1: not go to his daughter's premiere?

782
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,870
S2: Yeah, but also I can just in the Depp parody

783
00:35:05,870 --> 00:35:08,150
S2: so household I feel like that would be a weird

784
00:35:08,300 --> 00:35:09,350
S2: father daughter thing They.

785
00:35:09,350 --> 00:35:12,140
S3: Would do the weirdest thing that's probably happened in that household.

786
00:35:12,140 --> 00:35:14,630
S3: Definitely not yet. But I will say I'm going back.

787
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:16,200
S3: I think I'll go back for episode.

788
00:35:16,250 --> 00:35:18,890
S2: Come back. Yeah. Just to see like which show it

789
00:35:18,890 --> 00:35:20,000
S2: ends up being. Yeah.

790
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,150
S3: I'm curious about how they're going to develop it.

791
00:35:23,300 --> 00:35:25,940
S1: Before we wrap up our conversation on the Idol, we

792
00:35:25,940 --> 00:35:29,690
S1: have a little throwback to our succession pods. There's a

793
00:35:29,690 --> 00:35:33,530
S1: location based fun fact on this show that Thomas is

794
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,570
S1: quite keen to share with us. So what have you

795
00:35:35,570 --> 00:35:37,160
S1: got for the idol?

796
00:35:37,310 --> 00:35:41,540
S2: Yes. Just when you thought there was no more location

797
00:35:41,570 --> 00:35:46,180
S2: information out there, I'm back against everyone's wishes. Yeah, I

798
00:35:46,190 --> 00:35:47,630
S2: thought it was interesting and I guess it kind of

799
00:35:47,630 --> 00:35:50,660
S2: plays into the myth of this show. Like we kind

800
00:35:50,660 --> 00:35:52,430
S2: of talked about it a little bit. But, you know,

801
00:35:52,430 --> 00:35:55,070
S2: the show has been in a kind of production hell

802
00:35:55,070 --> 00:35:57,710
S2: for a little while. It was delayed and delayed again

803
00:35:57,710 --> 00:36:01,279
S2: as the weekend decided to insert himself both emotionally and

804
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,500
S2: physically into this show. More so it got it got

805
00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:07,250
S2: dragged out and production budget blew out. And so perhaps

806
00:36:07,250 --> 00:36:10,700
S2: this explains why the mansion that Jocelyn lives in, which

807
00:36:10,700 --> 00:36:12,110
S2: we do spend a lot of time in, both at

808
00:36:12,110 --> 00:36:13,340
S2: the start of the show and towards the end of

809
00:36:13,340 --> 00:36:17,900
S2: the episode actually is the weekend's Bel Air Mansion. Whoa. Yeah.

810
00:36:17,900 --> 00:36:21,560
S2: Worth a cool 70 million. Yeah. So they use that

811
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,800
S2: to kind of shoot everything. It's got an infinity pool

812
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,980
S2: and his recording studio and yeah, it's, you know, it

813
00:36:27,980 --> 00:36:30,799
S2: was very nice of the weekend to basically rent out

814
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,299
S2: his property, probably for a small fee.

815
00:36:32,330 --> 00:36:33,979
S3: I mean, I feel like he's getting a lot out

816
00:36:33,980 --> 00:36:34,700
S3: of it. Really?

817
00:36:34,700 --> 00:36:37,040
S2: Yeah. No, for sure. Yeah. So there you go. Another

818
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,640
S2: location based fun fact. The weekend is all about the thrift.

819
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,340
S2: And so he allowed the production crew to use his

820
00:36:43,340 --> 00:36:43,969
S2: home to film.

821
00:36:44,690 --> 00:36:46,910
S1: Great fact. And you know, if we were going to

822
00:36:46,910 --> 00:36:49,580
S1: be doing weekly recaps of the show, which we are not,

823
00:36:49,580 --> 00:36:51,620
S1: though we might do a mid-season or end of season

824
00:36:51,620 --> 00:36:54,950
S1: check in, I would be gunning for Troy watch to

825
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:57,560
S1: replace Jerry. Watch. I actually thought Troy seven in terms

826
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,840
S1: of pop stars having a go at acting, I thought

827
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,120
S1: he did pretty good. I found him really funny and

828
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,150
S1: charming and quite like enjoyable to watch on the show

829
00:37:05,150 --> 00:37:07,219
S1: and would love to see more of him on it

830
00:37:07,219 --> 00:37:08,170
S1: in future apps.

831
00:37:08,270 --> 00:37:11,270
S3: Yeah, I thought he would definitely be a good character

832
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:13,520
S3: to to do that for. I thought he was great

833
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,720
S3: and obviously a great creative director as well with Jocelyn's

834
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,230
S3: are best wishes at heart.

835
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:20,359
S2: If the Idol has been good for anyone so far,

836
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:21,680
S2: it's probably only choice of on.

837
00:37:21,890 --> 00:37:22,279
S8: Yeah.

838
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:24,620
S1: Troy, if you're listening, come on, the poet. Talk to

839
00:37:24,620 --> 00:37:27,790
S1: us about the idol. Okay, so now it's time to

840
00:37:27,790 --> 00:37:30,160
S1: share a couple of other shows from each of us

841
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,700
S1: that we think could fill that gap. That succession has

842
00:37:33,700 --> 00:37:36,190
S1: left or just shows that we are pretty excited to

843
00:37:36,190 --> 00:37:40,620
S1: watch over the next few weeks and months. I'll go

844
00:37:40,620 --> 00:37:43,890
S1: first with my first pick. It's one of my favorite

845
00:37:43,890 --> 00:37:47,790
S1: shows ever made. It's back for its sixth season after

846
00:37:47,790 --> 00:37:51,450
S1: a lengthy break. It's Black Mirror. It's out June 15th

847
00:37:51,450 --> 00:37:54,300
S1: on Netflix. If you're not familiar, go and catch up

848
00:37:54,300 --> 00:37:56,520
S1: on the first five seasons of the show. It's by

849
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,960
S1: the wild, crazy, very funny and sharp mind of Charlie Brooker.

850
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,850
S1: It's a satire on tech, politics, society, life. It's had

851
00:38:05,850 --> 00:38:09,540
S1: an amazing cast of actors throughout its run, and it's

852
00:38:09,540 --> 00:38:12,120
S1: coming back with an even more stacked cast. Aaron Paul

853
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:16,020
S1: from Breaking Bad, Michael Cera, Rob Delaney, Salma Hayek and

854
00:38:16,020 --> 00:38:19,890
S1: another Culkin brother, and a little bit of a succession throwback. Again,

855
00:38:19,890 --> 00:38:23,120
S1: Rory Culkin, this time joining the cast of Black Mirror

856
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:24,930
S1: Season six. You guys into Black Mirror?

857
00:38:24,930 --> 00:38:26,820
S2: I am into Black Mirror, but I didn't love the

858
00:38:26,820 --> 00:38:29,580
S2: last season. I thought it was probably the weakest one.

859
00:38:29,580 --> 00:38:32,730
S2: Yet that Miley episode, another pop star who can't act.

860
00:38:32,730 --> 00:38:35,460
S2: Yeah like that Miley episode was was bad. And I

861
00:38:35,489 --> 00:38:37,170
S2: and I have had concerns and I think a lot

862
00:38:37,170 --> 00:38:39,660
S2: of people share this like the Netflix effect on Black

863
00:38:39,660 --> 00:38:42,299
S2: Mirror didn't start out as a Netflix show. They think

864
00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:44,310
S2: they came in season 3 or 4 or whatever and

865
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:47,100
S2: and started producing in house. So I feel like it

866
00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:49,290
S2: suffered a little bit because of that. But I'm I'm

867
00:38:49,290 --> 00:38:52,169
S2: absolutely like on on board to to give it every

868
00:38:52,170 --> 00:38:54,690
S2: chance and yeah I also will watch all the Culkin's

869
00:38:54,690 --> 00:38:55,320
S2: in anything.

870
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,870
S3: Yeah I think the season sounds great and so does

871
00:38:57,870 --> 00:38:59,819
S3: the cast. Reminds me though do you remember when they

872
00:38:59,820 --> 00:39:02,609
S3: did that Black Mirror spinoff? Bandersnatch. Oh yeah.

873
00:39:02,610 --> 00:39:04,230
S8: It was like, Choose your own adventure. Yeah, Yeah.

874
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:06,270
S3: That really died, didn't it? That kind of.

875
00:39:06,690 --> 00:39:07,020
S8: Feels like.

876
00:39:07,020 --> 00:39:08,880
S1: It was from a lifetime ago. That was a weird,

877
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,200
S1: weird moment in television.

878
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:10,560
S3: Yeah, it.

879
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:11,100
S8: Was.

880
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:13,650
S1: Thomas, what's the first show you got for us?

881
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,630
S2: Like, the first one is one of my favorite shows

882
00:39:15,630 --> 00:39:18,960
S2: of last year and one of the hottest guys on TV.

883
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,960
S2: It's the bear. The bear is back for season two.

884
00:39:21,989 --> 00:39:23,969
S2: If you didn't watch it, it's basically about this fine

885
00:39:23,969 --> 00:39:27,360
S2: dining chef who, you know, returns to his family sandwich

886
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,940
S2: shop to save it after his brother's passing. It's called

887
00:39:29,940 --> 00:39:33,300
S2: the original Beef of Chicagoland. And the show was amazing.

888
00:39:33,300 --> 00:39:37,200
S2: And it was like this stressful anxiety fueled but incredibly watchable,

889
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,900
S2: like deep dive inside the world of cooking and what

890
00:39:39,900 --> 00:39:42,569
S2: it takes to run a restaurant and and family. And

891
00:39:42,570 --> 00:39:44,700
S2: it was it was great. And so season two is

892
00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:48,239
S2: arriving soon. It premieres June 20th two inches the US.

893
00:39:48,270 --> 00:39:50,070
S2: It was weird, like last year we didn't get the

894
00:39:50,070 --> 00:39:52,920
S2: first season until like six months after America, which is unusual.

895
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:55,800
S2: I did speak to Disney today and the PR was

896
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,980
S2: very much like gave me a talking to to say

897
00:39:58,980 --> 00:40:00,450
S2: it may not be on the same day, but it

898
00:40:00,450 --> 00:40:03,210
S2: possibly might be. So look, I suspect it will come

899
00:40:03,210 --> 00:40:04,500
S2: out here June 22nd.

900
00:40:04,739 --> 00:40:05,399
S8: Be cool.

901
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,230
S2: Yeah. Sorry, Adam, at Disney for stitching you up on

902
00:40:07,230 --> 00:40:09,600
S2: this pod, But yeah, I reckon it will be. They

903
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,100
S2: say it's coming soon, but I reckon it will be

904
00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:16,319
S2: June 22nd. It's great. And the second season, basically the

905
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,990
S2: original sandwich shop has closed and he's opening his kind

906
00:40:18,989 --> 00:40:21,750
S2: of dream restaurant. Having now just talked up the show.

907
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:24,210
S2: I will say that the trailer, which I think you

908
00:40:24,210 --> 00:40:26,610
S2: have watched and I was a little bit like, oh,

909
00:40:26,610 --> 00:40:28,710
S2: this doesn't quite seem to have the same like heart

910
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:30,450
S2: and soul as the first series.

911
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,880
S1: It's this classic thing like, we love the first episode.

912
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,379
S1: I think it was probably one of our favorite shows

913
00:40:34,380 --> 00:40:36,630
S1: of the year and it felt so tight and it

914
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:39,360
S1: was so special, such a surprise. All of those things

915
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,460
S1: made it feel so great and now it's like the

916
00:40:41,460 --> 00:40:44,130
S1: pressure's on to deliver. They haven't had as much time

917
00:40:44,130 --> 00:40:47,009
S1: till I come up with this story. There's this expectation.

918
00:40:47,010 --> 00:40:48,989
S1: I just worry that it might not live up to

919
00:40:48,989 --> 00:40:51,240
S1: the expectation, but I do love those characters so much.

920
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,070
S1: So I'm excited to see and you know, I can

921
00:40:53,070 --> 00:40:54,779
S1: relate to the pressures of trying to try to find

922
00:40:54,780 --> 00:40:58,840
S1: dining establishment, you know, in this crazy post-pandemic world of ours.

923
00:40:58,930 --> 00:41:00,090
S1: I am I am excited.

924
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:01,919
S2: And then the other one I wanted to shout out

925
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,620
S2: and like, I don't know exactly where you both land

926
00:41:04,620 --> 00:41:06,509
S2: on this one. I think I know where you land.

927
00:41:06,510 --> 00:41:09,300
S2: But season two of and just like that, like, look,

928
00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:11,310
S2: the show is not obviously this is this you know,

929
00:41:11,370 --> 00:41:13,320
S2: the new series of Sex and the City. The show

930
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,690
S2: is not amazing, but it is kind of like what

931
00:41:15,690 --> 00:41:17,279
S2: you said before. It's not good TV, but it's great

932
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,100
S2: to talk about. It's also kind of worth mentioning today,

933
00:41:20,100 --> 00:41:22,050
S2: I think it's 25 years since Sex and the City

934
00:41:22,050 --> 00:41:24,630
S2: premiered on HBO. And, you know, regardless of how you

935
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:27,570
S2: feel about the show, it did change the landscape of TV.

936
00:41:27,570 --> 00:41:30,510
S2: And it's one of HBO's most, I guess, important cultural

937
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,600
S2: projects ever Like it really had a big impact. And

938
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,300
S2: the first season was like fucking weird and, you know,

939
00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:38,879
S2: spoiler alert, Big died and there was a lot they

940
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,730
S2: were kind of reshuffle. I'm curious to see what they

941
00:41:41,730 --> 00:41:44,430
S2: do with Season two. They're bringing back Aiden, who is

942
00:41:44,430 --> 00:41:46,710
S2: Carrie's big love interest, who I think is one of

943
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:50,219
S2: the worst characters on TV after Tedros. So yeah, I

944
00:41:50,219 --> 00:41:51,080
S2: think that that arises.

945
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,340
S1: Kim Cattrall, of course, is finally.

946
00:41:53,350 --> 00:41:54,210
S8: Reentering the You.

947
00:41:54,210 --> 00:41:56,040
S2: Had a falling out with Sarah Jessica Parker is coming

948
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,620
S2: back in the finale for like a two minute bit.

949
00:41:58,620 --> 00:42:01,859
S2: That one does definitely premiere on June 22nd on Binge.

950
00:42:01,860 --> 00:42:04,530
S2: But I'm really curious that it's a show that people

951
00:42:04,530 --> 00:42:06,960
S2: love to hate and also love to love. So I'm

952
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,100
S2: interested to see what happens there.

953
00:42:08,100 --> 00:42:09,420
S3: I got a lot of time for it and just

954
00:42:09,420 --> 00:42:11,319
S3: like that, don't think it's a great show, but I

955
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,859
S3: also hate when people dismiss it and I think people

956
00:42:13,860 --> 00:42:15,810
S3: do this with all of pop culture in a way.

957
00:42:15,810 --> 00:42:19,320
S3: And it's and people will dismiss the Idol as kind

958
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,469
S3: of frivolous TV, but like, this is where I don't know.

959
00:42:22,469 --> 00:42:25,230
S3: This is where society is defining itself and what it

960
00:42:25,230 --> 00:42:27,900
S3: should be. And the response to it is also part

961
00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:30,360
S3: of that project. So seeing how and just like that

962
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,950
S3: is trying to replicate 25 years ago that kind of

963
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:37,650
S3: success and what it's doing differently and how people respond

964
00:42:37,650 --> 00:42:38,840
S3: to it, I don't know. I just find it all

965
00:42:38,850 --> 00:42:41,960
S3: really interesting, even if. The show's objectively not, you know,

966
00:42:41,969 --> 00:42:43,790
S3: an award winning show like succession.

967
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,020
S2: Yeah, you're allowed to like succession and and just like that.

968
00:42:46,050 --> 00:42:47,250
S3: Agree we're complex.

969
00:42:47,250 --> 00:42:47,640
S8: Yeah.

970
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,070
S1: I can't stand narratives that center on women so I

971
00:42:50,070 --> 00:42:52,500
S1: will not be watching and just like no I'm also

972
00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:54,600
S1: a big sex and the city of Wheatley. I don't know.

973
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,279
S1: I should talk to my mum about this at some point.

974
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,410
S1: She like watched a lot of Sex and the City

975
00:42:58,410 --> 00:43:00,420
S1: when I was growing up and I was like maybe

976
00:43:00,420 --> 00:43:02,640
S1: 10 to 11 and like I would watch it and

977
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,529
S1: she had no problem with that. I it was a

978
00:43:04,530 --> 00:43:07,589
S1: very odd show for a child to watch. But I

979
00:43:07,590 --> 00:43:09,570
S1: really like Sex and the City I didn't love and

980
00:43:09,570 --> 00:43:11,010
S1: just like that. But I watched it and I watch

981
00:43:11,010 --> 00:43:13,110
S1: this as well. I think it's kind of a secret

982
00:43:13,110 --> 00:43:15,510
S1: show about podcasting, which you don't see that much of.

983
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:18,000
S1: So that's fun. Getting a bit better. Maybe we can

984
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,040
S1: talk about it on the show when it airs.

985
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,570
S2: Yes. The funny thing was that in the in the

986
00:43:21,570 --> 00:43:23,610
S2: first season, I just like that they had this big

987
00:43:23,610 --> 00:43:25,799
S2: thing about no one knew what podcasting was. I was like, Man,

988
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,660
S2: this is like a stretch. Like, we get it. They're

989
00:43:27,660 --> 00:43:30,210
S2: meant to be older, but like they're in their 50s

990
00:43:30,210 --> 00:43:31,920
S2: and then like, they're all like podcasting. Like.

991
00:43:32,750 --> 00:43:35,100
S8: What is this crazy new world like?

992
00:43:35,100 --> 00:43:37,590
S3: And also, Carrie, like was such a prude on the

993
00:43:37,590 --> 00:43:39,600
S3: podcast show and like, it was like you were the

994
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,549
S3: leading sex columnist for many years.

995
00:43:41,550 --> 00:43:42,330
S8: She's definitely not.

996
00:43:42,330 --> 00:43:42,969
S3: Having a stinky.

997
00:43:42,989 --> 00:43:43,589
S8: Way. Yeah.

998
00:43:43,590 --> 00:43:46,860
S3: Yeah. No, she it is not her boob in her house.

999
00:43:47,100 --> 00:43:50,040
S1: Speaking of sexy wax, Mel.

1000
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:51,120
S8: I don't think.

1001
00:43:51,930 --> 00:43:52,710
S3: What a.

1002
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:53,430
S8: Segway.

1003
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,010
S1: I don't I don't think either of your shows involve that.

1004
00:43:56,010 --> 00:43:56,880
S1: But I was looking for.

1005
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:57,570
S8: A.

1006
00:43:57,570 --> 00:43:59,880
S3: I'm so glad we're not talking about Roman. That's where

1007
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:01,110
S3: I thought this was going.

1008
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,989
S1: Um, talk us through your a couple of pics.

1009
00:44:04,140 --> 00:44:06,510
S3: Yeah. So one of mine that I'm looking forward to

1010
00:44:06,510 --> 00:44:09,900
S3: is Paul Goldman, which is on stand from June 15th.

1011
00:44:10,020 --> 00:44:11,910
S3: I reckon this is kind of like the end point

1012
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:15,240
S3: of true crime documentaries. Our reviewer of it, Robert Moran

1013
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,550
S3: at the Herald, said it was like watching a sock

1014
00:44:17,550 --> 00:44:21,480
S3: eat another sock. It's just kind of of course, he

1015
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:26,280
S3: did a multi-layered parody. So Paul Goldman, he's the author

1016
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,620
S3: of a memoir, This is A Real Human. He's the

1017
00:44:28,620 --> 00:44:30,900
S3: author of a memoir about a woman he married after

1018
00:44:30,900 --> 00:44:33,540
S3: a few weeks who then kind of financially fleeced him.

1019
00:44:33,540 --> 00:44:36,900
S3: So Paul Goldman then tried to get this memoir turned

1020
00:44:36,900 --> 00:44:40,980
S3: into a film with pretensions of Hollywood glory. No one

1021
00:44:40,980 --> 00:44:44,219
S3: obviously wanted a bar of it. Then comes director of

1022
00:44:44,219 --> 00:44:49,860
S3: this show, Jason Warner, who ostensibly is filming a documentary

1023
00:44:49,860 --> 00:44:53,730
S3: about Goldman's life and getting Goldman to act in these

1024
00:44:53,730 --> 00:44:57,870
S3: far fetched recreations of his scenes from his memoir. But

1025
00:44:57,870 --> 00:45:00,630
S3: at the same time, it's actually delving into who Goldman

1026
00:45:00,630 --> 00:45:03,390
S3: is and turns out he's not exactly who he says

1027
00:45:03,390 --> 00:45:06,569
S3: he is. And they all kind of collide. Um, it's

1028
00:45:06,570 --> 00:45:08,610
S3: kind of got a bit of a jury duty vibe

1029
00:45:08,610 --> 00:45:10,590
S3: to it, and I'm sure it will trigger lots of

1030
00:45:10,590 --> 00:45:16,859
S3: discussions about ethics in these kind of parody mockumentary documentary shows.

1031
00:45:16,860 --> 00:45:19,560
S3: But yeah, think it's really interesting. It's hard to explain.

1032
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,330
S3: So maybe watch watch the trailer.

1033
00:45:21,330 --> 00:45:21,690
S8: I hope the.

1034
00:45:21,700 --> 00:45:24,210
S1: Show is better than your explanation of it, which.

1035
00:45:25,020 --> 00:45:26,400
S8: I'm very. No, no.

1036
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:27,930
S1: I trust you, though. I've heard good things about this show.

1037
00:45:27,930 --> 00:45:30,060
S1: I think it actually aired in the States a while ago.

1038
00:45:30,060 --> 00:45:32,520
S1: It's been a bit of buzz overseas, but exciting to

1039
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,050
S1: know that it's coming to Stan.

1040
00:45:34,050 --> 00:45:35,590
S3: I don't know if you guys have seen the Pez

1041
00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:38,550
S3: outlaw on Netflix. It's in the top ten at the moment.

1042
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:43,950
S3: It's like this little gorgeous, heartwarming documentary about this small

1043
00:45:43,950 --> 00:45:48,120
S3: town Michigan guy who goes to Europe and then smuggles

1044
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,210
S3: in tens of thousands of Pez collectors, which he then

1045
00:45:51,210 --> 00:45:54,480
S3: sells to the American market, and he makes millions of dollars.

1046
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,880
S3: And it's just I don't know. I think documentaries are

1047
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,669
S3: having a real moment at the moment. Like, that's fun.

1048
00:45:59,670 --> 00:46:00,420
S1: That sounds fun.

1049
00:46:00,420 --> 00:46:01,049
S8: Yeah. Yeah.

1050
00:46:01,050 --> 00:46:05,250
S3: Like no longer this pretense of objective kind of documentary making.

1051
00:46:05,250 --> 00:46:08,130
S3: They're all over the top with animation and they're all reflective,

1052
00:46:08,130 --> 00:46:10,800
S3: and sometimes it works better and sometimes not so well.

1053
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,350
S3: But I think the outlaw is a good time.

1054
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,859
S1: The other one that I wanted to mention is a

1055
00:46:16,860 --> 00:46:21,600
S1: new Marvel TV show called Secret Invasion. It's on Disney+,

1056
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,650
S1: June 21st. Honestly, I'm pretty over Marvel. I have not

1057
00:46:25,650 --> 00:46:29,310
S1: really enjoyed the last few films or TV shows, but

1058
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,130
S1: I'm going to give this one a crack because it

1059
00:46:32,130 --> 00:46:35,610
S1: comes from the mind of Kyle Bradstreet, who's asking. And

1060
00:46:35,610 --> 00:46:39,420
S1: he was the writer and co-executive producer of Mr. Robot,

1061
00:46:39,420 --> 00:46:41,670
S1: which I think is one of the best shows starring

1062
00:46:42,030 --> 00:46:44,939
S1: Rami Malek, one of the best shows of the past decade.

1063
00:46:44,940 --> 00:46:49,049
S1: Really sharp, really interesting and really good at dealing with

1064
00:46:49,050 --> 00:46:53,370
S1: contemporary social, political kind of tech issues. It also has

1065
00:46:53,370 --> 00:46:57,090
S1: a completely stacked cast. I mean, the logline makes me

1066
00:46:57,090 --> 00:46:58,710
S1: want to shoot myself in the head a little bit.

1067
00:46:58,710 --> 00:47:03,060
S1: Like most Marvel stuff, Secret Invasion follows Nick Fury and

1068
00:47:03,060 --> 00:47:07,650
S1: his allies who attempt to thwart a Skrull invasion of Earth.

1069
00:47:07,860 --> 00:47:11,100
S1: That seems like pretty standard Marvel fare, but Nick Fury

1070
00:47:11,100 --> 00:47:13,230
S1: is Samuel L Jackson. So he's back and he's always

1071
00:47:13,230 --> 00:47:16,350
S1: fun to watch. Ben Mendelsohn is like the main bad

1072
00:47:16,350 --> 00:47:19,680
S1: guy in this Australian Mando. I love that. And Emilia

1073
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,469
S1: Clarke and Oscar winner Olivia Colman are in this as well.

1074
00:47:22,469 --> 00:47:25,260
S1: On one hand, I'm like, I can't believe even Olivia

1075
00:47:25,260 --> 00:47:30,120
S1: Colman has succumbed to the Marvel ification of everything. But

1076
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,879
S1: there's enough interesting pieces to this that I think I'll

1077
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,000
S1: give it a go. So secret invasion, one to watch.

1078
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,720
S1: Melanie Thomas, great to have you guys back on the show.

1079
00:47:39,810 --> 00:47:41,520
S1: That was a lot of fun. And we'll be back

1080
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:47,600
S1: next week. Take care. Bye bye. This episode of The

1081
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,810
S1: Drop was produced by Chai Wong. If you enjoyed listening

1082
00:47:50,810 --> 00:47:53,630
S1: to today's episode of The Drop, make sure to follow

1083
00:47:53,630 --> 00:47:56,960
S1: us in your favorite podcast app. Give us a review

1084
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,530
S1: or better yet, share it with a friend. I'm Osman Farooqui.

1085
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:01,550
S1: See you next week.