Speaker 1: On two GB and network stations. This is Afternoons with
Speaker 1: Bill Woods.
Speaker 2: Filling in from Michael McLaren.
Speaker 3: Ah, yes, thank you very much for being with us.
Speaker 3: Really appreciate that. I hope you will wherever you're listening
Speaker 3: to us around the place. Michael will be back tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Don't worry if you haven't caught up with that. He's
Speaker 3: quite well and he will be back on deck tomorrow.
Speaker 3: We've got a classic Michael McLaren's show for you this afternoon.
Speaker 3: I hope you'll be able to stick around for all
Speaker 3: of it. We'll talk shortly to your land to say,
Speaker 3: is is that you Southwales CEO of Saint Vinnie's and
Speaker 3: they have the big CEO sleep out tonight which always
Speaker 3: generates a lot of publicity for Vinnie's. We thought we'd
Speaker 3: catch up with Orlander and John Stanley. By the way,
Speaker 3: we'll be broadcasting from that tonight, but we'll find out
Speaker 3: just what Saint Vinnie's is up to and how perhaps
Speaker 3: their services have had to change over the years, and
Speaker 3: whether they're dealing with more people who are in strife
Speaker 3: since we've had quite severe issues with cost of life.
Speaker 3: By the way, the unemployment figures have come out today.
Speaker 3: I'll get to that in just a moment. But yeah,
Speaker 3: a lot of people think we're going okay. The indicators
Speaker 3: aren't too bad, but there are still many of us
Speaker 3: out there doing it tough. So we'll talk to Orlanda
Speaker 3: about that in the second half hour. In the midday hour,
Speaker 3: we'll be talking to Jackie Fitzgerald, who's the executive director
Speaker 3: of New South Wales Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research.
Speaker 3: Now I'm having an exploratory conversation with Jackie because it's
Speaker 3: pretty alarming when you hear about this horrific alleged gang
Speaker 3: rape in Sydney in the last few days, a case
Speaker 3: that's been drawn out over a number of months. But
Speaker 3: there have been these regional gang attacks all by teenagers
Speaker 3: in regional censures, not just in New South Wales but
Speaker 3: in other states of Australia as well. But is it
Speaker 3: actually getting worse or are we just seeing stories on
Speaker 3: the very worst of a still small number of youth offenders.
Speaker 3: We'll find out from Jackie Fitzgerald a little later on.
Speaker 3: Because it does make you worry when you see these
Speaker 3: severe crimes reported, but it can be a misrepresentation of
Speaker 3: what's actually happening out there, so we'll find out and
Speaker 3: a Corday will join us. She's a regular guest on
Speaker 3: The Michael McLaren Show with screen Talk just after one
Speaker 3: o'clock this afternoon, and I have to confess I'm just
Speaker 3: I'm more than a little bit excited and very lucky.
Speaker 3: I think Michael's probably a bit envious too, to be honest.
Speaker 3: We've got Marsha Hines coming in the studio. I've always
Speaker 3: been a big fan of Marsha's and she probably won't
Speaker 3: remember because I think I had hair back then. But
Speaker 3: we have met a couple of times when we're working
Speaker 3: through television on various programs and whatnot. But she's an
Speaker 3: amazing person, a great talent, and is still going strong
Speaker 3: with a remix of arguably her biggest hit, and there
Speaker 3: have been plenty of those, so we can debate that
Speaker 3: as long as you like, but we'll play a bit
Speaker 3: of it later on. You know the song very well,
Speaker 3: believe me. But Marshall come in a chat about that
Speaker 3: and whatch he's up too lately. I do apologize to
Speaker 3: Jim Haynes. I'm not quite as excited about him as
Speaker 3: I am about Marsha. But I think he's quite understanding.
Speaker 3: Jim's coming in for his regular history segment after two
Speaker 3: o'clock Sydney Siders, of course, and we'll have a chat
Speaker 3: with Jim. That'll be a lot of fun and Ed
Speaker 3: John will join us. Now. Ed is the Manager of
Speaker 3: Stewardship at the Australian Council of Superannuation Investors. Now there's
Speaker 3: a title. There's quite a title. I'd have to have
Speaker 3: to write that out every time I filled out a form.
Speaker 3: But anyway, the story is how much Australian CEOs are
Speaker 3: being paid. And I confess, unless you're one of them,
Speaker 3: it can be a bit of a sore spot every
Speaker 3: time you're sitting in traffic and get cut off by
Speaker 3: that maserati. That doesn't give an indicator you're thinking, oh,
Speaker 3: there's another CEO heading to collect his golden handshake. But
Speaker 3: there are some stats out today and interestingly reported in
Speaker 3: different ways in different media, I must say, but it's
Speaker 3: not as it's not as bleak as you might think.
Speaker 3: In other words, they're not all out there ripping us
Speaker 3: off with massive pays pay packets. But anyway, we'll go
Speaker 3: through the details of that with Air John and there
Speaker 3: are a few exceptions, I must say, which I think
Speaker 3: News Court focused on today, But there are many other
Speaker 3: CEOs who are actually on the whole getting a little
Speaker 3: less than you think they might be. So we'll cover
Speaker 3: all that today and also the Winter Wheel. Now, yesterday
Speaker 3: I managed to on fairly late notice fill in for
Speaker 3: Michael and I managed to be the first person on
Speaker 3: this network to get someone a two and a half
Speaker 3: grand prize on the Winter Wheel. So I'm pretty happy
Speaker 3: about that. I can just drop the mic and walk
Speaker 3: away after that performance. We will try and do it
Speaker 3: again today. We're giving it away on Breakfast mornings afternoons
Speaker 3: and Sydney Now with Clinton Maynard, who'll be following us today.
Speaker 3: Of course, listen for the queue a little later in
Speaker 3: the program and you could spin and win. We'll play
Speaker 3: you the queue now. This isn't the official CU, but
Speaker 3: we'll give you an idea what it sounds like in
Speaker 3: just a ticket. It'll be the two GB Winter will Q.
Speaker 2: Two gbs Winter a Wheel.
Speaker 3: Yes, that is not the queue. That's the preview of
Speaker 3: the queue, and that'll be what your queue to call is.
Speaker 3: And I'll give you the number now in case you
Speaker 3: want to write it down for later. It's not the
Speaker 3: usual number, it's one three hundred. It's a one three
Speaker 3: hundred number seven double two eight seven three one three
Speaker 3: hundred seven double two eighty seven three. That will be
Speaker 3: a queue to call, and I'll give you a clue.
Speaker 3: It'll be much later in the program, in the third hour.
Speaker 3: So that's a snapshot of what's coming up. And we'll
Speaker 3: be very soon talking to Vinnie's. But I did mention
Speaker 3: we had the unemployment figures out, so before we go
Speaker 3: to the break, I'll just read you the news release
Speaker 3: that came out today. The seasonally adjusted unemployment rate has
Speaker 3: remained at four point one percent for May. This is
Speaker 3: the Buria Statistics data, and the ABS head of Labor
Speaker 3: Statistics has said, and I quote, despite employment falling by
Speaker 3: two thousand people this month, it's up two point three
Speaker 3: percent compared to this time last year, which is stronger
Speaker 3: than the pre pandemic ten year average, which is an
Speaker 3: annual growth of one point seven percent. That's Sean Creek
Speaker 3: from the ABS. They're the latest unemployment figures for what
Speaker 3: they are worth. It's sixteen past midday. We'll be right
Speaker 3: back and talk to Vinnis. It's nineteen past midday. Now
Speaker 3: a lot of us have heard of the Saint Vincent
Speaker 3: de Paul's Society, and certainly on this station because after all,
Speaker 3: its household name in Australia. And tonight they, as they
Speaker 3: do every year, they'll have the Vinnie's CEO Sleepout. Now
Speaker 3: very own John Stanley will be broadcasting live from the
Speaker 3: sleepout from eight pm. And this one's pretty special too
Speaker 3: because it's the twentieth year of this sleepout. The idea
Speaker 3: is for business leaders to spend a night sleeping rough,
Speaker 3: to experience the conditions that vulnerable people endure all the time,
Speaker 3: and to raise awareness and funds in support of those
Speaker 3: who need it most. In the last financial year that's
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three twenty four, Vinnis in New South Wales
Speaker 3: alone supported almost one hundred thousand people, providing them with food,
Speaker 3: clothing and household bills, support, advocacy and emotional support as well.
Speaker 3: They also managed to assist one hundred and two thousand
Speaker 3: people with their Vinnis vans distributing food, snacks and toiletries.
Speaker 3: Now Orlander says is the New South Wild CEO of
Speaker 3: Vinnis and she's on the line now you landa thanks
Speaker 3: for your time.
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 3: Now. Firstly, Vinni's has been around for more than one
Speaker 3: hundred and forty years. How have you noticed that the
Speaker 3: evolution of the support that you give and who you
Speaker 3: have to give it to.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Thanks, Look, we've been around one hundred and forty
Speaker 4: years providing care and assistance to people who are experiencing
Speaker 4: poverty or disadvantage. And I think, look, you know, certainly
Speaker 4: over recent times we're seeing there's not really a definitive
Speaker 4: type of person coming for her help. So there's been
Speaker 4: an increase certainly people with your incomes coming to us
Speaker 4: over recent years. There's families, there's single parents, older people,
Speaker 4: younger people. It's a real but I think one of
Speaker 4: the things we've seen in particularly the last three years
Speaker 4: with the cost of living pressures is certainly people with
Speaker 4: dual incomes coming in because they're not able to make
Speaker 4: ends meet. So that's been a bit of a shift
Speaker 4: in recent times.
Speaker 3: Yes, I have heard that sort of just on the
Speaker 3: ground side to speak anecdotally, that a lot of any
Speaker 3: support workers have been a little bit surprised at the
Speaker 3: types of people that are coming in and asking for help,
Speaker 3: and that has been a more recent phenomenon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, and we're also you know, know that
Speaker 4: two out of five of the come to see us
Speaker 4: are coming to us so the very first time. So
Speaker 4: that tells us, and given our full print across the
Speaker 4: country and across the state, that it's possible that it's
Speaker 4: the first time that they're turning to a charity for help.
Speaker 4: So that should be concerning for all of us because
Speaker 4: it does mean that. Look, the cost of living crisis
Speaker 4: and pressures on people's budgets affects everyone in one way
Speaker 4: or another, but it's always those people who are already
Speaker 4: vulnerable or right that on that edge, I guess for
Speaker 4: vulnerability who are most impacted by having to absorb extra
Speaker 4: costs they just don't have the capacity to absorb. So
Speaker 4: we're certainly seeing a lot of that and housing costs
Speaker 4: and food costs of being from of the big drivers
Speaker 4: for that need.
Speaker 3: How did the vans work Lander and how has that
Speaker 3: changed over the years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, the vans are out every night of the
Speaker 4: yeks of the Christmas in New South Wales and we
Speaker 4: have about fourteen vans across New Southwest, so both regional
Speaker 4: and metro and we go out, we provide basics around food,
Speaker 4: sleeping bags, blanket blankets. But what's really important and the
Speaker 4: evolution of our vans over the last couple of years
Speaker 4: has been we're doing a lot of outreach and referral
Speaker 4: from the van, so it's a bit of a one
Speaker 4: stop shop really, so not only will help you some
Speaker 4: of those immediate needs, but also understand what else it
Speaker 4: is in my need and whether we refer you to
Speaker 4: one of our frontline homers services or they might be
Speaker 4: in are one of our domestic or family violence services,
Speaker 4: or perhaps to another provider that specializes in something you
Speaker 4: might need help with. So that's evolved over the last
Speaker 4: couple of years where we're doing much more outreach from
Speaker 4: those lands and being able to then refer people on
Speaker 4: to additional assistance that they might need.
Speaker 3: And do you find a lot of people, even though
Speaker 3: they have more acute needs that they also appreciate a
Speaker 3: bit of social contact as well, someone who just cares.
Speaker 4: Talking to them absolutely, So that's always been a great
Speaker 4: strength of actually the way that Beginnings and our members.
Speaker 4: We're a member based organization. We have about five thousand members,
Speaker 4: all volunteers giving of their time every day in communities
Speaker 4: across New South Wales and we're in about four hundred
Speaker 4: communities across New South Wales and they provide care assistance
Speaker 4: to people doing it talk in their own lovely community,
Speaker 4: where they live and where they work, so they're very
Speaker 4: much a part of those communities and they do that
Speaker 4: with you know, compassion listening. Sometimes it is just the
Speaker 4: listening here, and we do the same thing on our vans,
Speaker 4: and we do the same thing in our frontline services.
Speaker 4: The way that we help and care for people is
Speaker 4: very relational and a big part of the way that
Speaker 4: we work as an organization. So certainly on the van
Speaker 4: in particular, sometimes that companionship is you know, as important
Speaker 4: and being seen and being listened to as important as
Speaker 4: the help they're getting.
Speaker 3: And of course you help a whole range of people,
Speaker 3: but when it comes to the homeless in particular, it's
Speaker 3: this time of year that the bites, isn't it.
Speaker 4: Well, that's right, I mean you just have to be
Speaker 4: out in the weather over the last couple of weeks
Speaker 4: and it's been very cold at night, and so look, homelessness,
Speaker 4: that roughly thing is only part of homelessness, and there's
Speaker 4: another large unseen part of guess of homelessness, which is
Speaker 4: that insecure housing, leaving in overcrowded housing, or maybe sleeping
Speaker 4: in your car on someone's couch, you know, And there's
Speaker 4: all those types of homelessness. So any insecurity of housing
Speaker 4: where you don't know where you're going to be sleeping
Speaker 4: the next vail the next week is really homelessness per
Speaker 4: certainly for the rough sleepers. Look, you know, sleeping out
Speaker 4: in these tops of conditions, we know it has very
Speaker 4: detrimental health impacts of course on people as well as
Speaker 4: mental health impacts. But we're seeing people with more and
Speaker 4: more complex needs. So there's not only the housing needs
Speaker 4: that they bring to us, but often they come co
Speaker 4: presenting some mental health, perhaps alcohol, drug dependency is so
Speaker 4: they are presenting far more complex and so we have
Speaker 4: to work with them across all the types of care
Speaker 4: that we provide, and our frontline services have seen that
Speaker 4: a real increase in demand that being our home to shelters,
Speaker 4: our domestic and family violence shelters unfortunately also seeing an
Speaker 4: increase in demand so across the board, from the people
Speaker 4: we're helping day to day with cost of living to
Speaker 4: those that we're providing more acute care to now services.
Speaker 4: We're seeing an increase in demand across the board.
Speaker 3: I was going to ask you about that, the incidence
Speaker 3: of mental health cases and indeed drug and alcohol abuse.
Speaker 3: Do you have any statistics on hand to tell us
Speaker 3: whether that's greater or smaller and what we're seeing on
Speaker 3: the streets.
Speaker 4: Now, Yeah, certainly preventings ourselves. We're definitely seeing an increase
Speaker 4: in people turning to our frontline services to help. There's
Speaker 4: always diffici finding places for people in drug and alcohol
Speaker 4: rehabilitation services, so that's there's a gap there in regards
Speaker 4: to demand versus beds available, and the same with homer
Speaker 4: shelters actually, so we know that that is there's an
Speaker 4: increase in demand where where unfortunately sometimes the pathways that
Speaker 4: we might refer people onto we can't take them are
Speaker 4: also more limited than they used to be because other
Speaker 4: service providers are full. And the pathways to some sort
Speaker 4: of affordable housing solution is also more difficult now as
Speaker 4: we all know, than it was a few years back.
Speaker 4: So all of those things together present a really complex
Speaker 4: space and it's it is a wicker problem that government
Speaker 4: organizations like ours and corporations individuals really need to work
Speaker 4: together to address, and the government obviously has this high
Speaker 4: on their agenda around housing first and trying to get
Speaker 4: as much housing stock into the market as they can
Speaker 4: to help and address some of these issues. It's not
Speaker 4: something that's going to have a short term fix. And
Speaker 4: this is why events like the sleep out of so
Speaker 4: critical for us because the funds that we raise you
Speaker 4: allow us to keep those services open, allow us to
Speaker 4: respond to their growth in demand for our services.
Speaker 3: Well, yes, it draws attention to the organization, but also
Speaker 3: you want to get some money out of those big
Speaker 3: companies too, don't you.
Speaker 4: That helps, Yeah, that's right. I mean, look, it's the
Speaker 4: event is works well because as you mentioned, look, it's
Speaker 4: just we don't pertain that it's going to make people
Speaker 4: understand what it fat to be home.
Speaker 5: It is not at all.
Speaker 4: But what it does do is it has a bit
Speaker 4: of a captured audience with people who are business and
Speaker 4: community and government leaders who hold influence and can go
Speaker 4: out and advocate for this issue once they leave the event,
Speaker 4: and obviously they have good networks in which to raise funds,
Speaker 4: and so that's really critical for us because as I said,
Speaker 4: those funds go directly back into service provision to address
Speaker 4: people who are at risk of already experiencing homelessness, and
Speaker 4: so it's critical in that way, but it really is
Speaker 4: they go there and they hear the stories of people
Speaker 4: who've had a lived experience with homelessness, and those people
Speaker 4: who are generous enough to join us on the night
Speaker 4: to share their stories, and that's their eye opening. So
Speaker 4: many people, they hear the statistics and the real face
Speaker 4: of homelessness in Australia, which there's often a lot of
Speaker 4: misconception around what homelessness looks like in this country. So
Speaker 4: they learn a little bit about that, and then you know,
Speaker 4: we make them feel uncomfortable for a night where they're
Speaker 4: just cold and a bit uncomfortable, but hopefully while they're
Speaker 4: not able to sleep, when they're at and cold, they're
Speaker 4: thinking about the things they've said and the things they've learned,
Speaker 4: and when they leave they either engage their company, their family,
Speaker 4: their friends, or when they're in rooms where they can
Speaker 4: have those conversations. They're bringing an issue of homelessness and
Speaker 4: housing and other related issues to the forefront and helping
Speaker 4: us advocate in those spaces as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a very good point to make
Speaker 3: because you know, it's been going for a while now,
Speaker 3: as we said, and people get a bit cynical about
Speaker 3: these things, particularly when they see CEOs doing it. But
Speaker 3: you're right, you're targeting a particular area of great power
Speaker 3: and influence, and you can is a lot more money
Speaker 3: a lot more quickly than you know asking for the
Speaker 3: average person to make donations. And on that point, you land,
Speaker 3: what can people do these days? We associate Venus with
Speaker 3: donating clothing of course, primarily toys as well, but what
Speaker 3: other things can people do?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's different ways. I mean, obviously, if people are
Speaker 4: able to donate one, actually they've got the means and
Speaker 4: they're able to do that, that's always a great way.
Speaker 4: But that allows us to then allocate that money where
Speaker 4: it's most needed, be it to local assystems or be
Speaker 4: it to our frontline services.
Speaker 5: So that's great.
Speaker 4: If people can do that, that's fantastic. If not, people
Speaker 4: can also donate clothing to our Vinie stores and just
Speaker 4: all the surplus from those shops goes back into the
Speaker 4: organization again to help us provide all that care and
Speaker 4: all the services we run run about one hundred services
Speaker 4: and programs that costs me south well, so it's large,
Speaker 4: and so having put donations into our shops that we
Speaker 4: can resell to raise funds to support our services is
Speaker 4: really important. And people can volunteer. People can volunteer for
Speaker 4: the organization, get out on a van, or volunteer in
Speaker 4: a shop or is they're very interested in providing local
Speaker 4: care on a regular basis. They can also become a
Speaker 4: member of the organization. So there's many different ways that
Speaker 4: people can can lend a hand.
Speaker 3: Just on the donations an he does and d'ts when
Speaker 3: it comes to things like clothing for example.
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, we always say if you'd give it to mate,
Speaker 4: it's okay to donate. So it's a bit pussy, but
Speaker 4: really do you think, oh, I'll give that to someone
Speaker 4: that is a friend of mine or someone I'm going
Speaker 4: to see again, And you can probably donate it to
Speaker 4: a Vinish shop. So as long as it's in good condition,
Speaker 4: it can be used by somebody else, you know, not
Speaker 4: staying or torn or anything like the torn or anything
Speaker 4: like that. So as long as you think, yeah, that's
Speaker 4: in good enough condition that someone else can make good
Speaker 4: use of it, then yeah, by all means, donate it
Speaker 4: to us.
Speaker 3: Good point and well said thank you very much. Good
Speaker 3: luck tonight. I hope you can raise heaps of money. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and help a lot of people. Your lander says, thank
Speaker 3: you very much again, thanks for having me on. Thank
Speaker 3: you your landers of course, the New South Whild CEO
Speaker 3: of s and Vinie And look, as I said, without
Speaker 3: a couple of comments here about perhaps you know the
Speaker 3: tokenistic approach from CEOs, but I think you landed made
Speaker 3: the point quite well that they're targeting this. It's very
Speaker 3: important and it's not so much to speak to you
Speaker 3: through them. It's more about getting to those CEOs themselves
Speaker 3: and using their power. And you know, in a lot
Speaker 3: of cases they have plenty of muscle, notwithstanding their own
Speaker 3: influence within their own corporations, to get money to where
Speaker 3: it's really needed. It's coming out and don't forget John
Speaker 3: Stanley from eight o'clock broadcasting from the CEO's Sleepout coming
Speaker 3: up to twenty eight to one. Quick look at the
Speaker 3: text line now, hi, Bill says Patrick. Every time I
Speaker 3: passed by a Maserati or a Ferrari, I reckon it's
Speaker 3: a drug dealer, not a CEO. Silly me, Thank you Patrick, Well,
Speaker 3: you're probably living in Sydney Isn't it funny though? How
Speaker 3: we do stereotype other drivers. It's interesting we see what
Speaker 3: they're driving and we make an assumption based on that,
Speaker 3: particularly if they've done something otherwise you don't really notice
Speaker 3: them that much, but yes, when something happens, I wonder
Speaker 3: if here's the thing for anyone who was around in
Speaker 3: the seventies. Is the Tesla driver the new Volvo driver?
Speaker 3: There's a question. There's a question back in the day,
Speaker 3: you see, do I have to explain this? I don't
Speaker 3: know whether I should go there, But you know, Volvo
Speaker 3: drivers back in the old days, they were They were
Speaker 3: people who this is the stereotype. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 3: It's not my opinion, but the stereotypical thought was as
Speaker 3: a joke, by the way, too, It's one of those
Speaker 3: things anyway. The stereotypical gag was that the cardigan wearing
Speaker 3: Volvo driver was concerned primarily about safety. But they're not
Speaker 3: really car people. They buy the vehicle because of its
Speaker 3: reputation for safety, not because it's a great thing to
Speaker 3: drive or you know, but they were very good cars.
Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong. Is the Tesla driver the new
Speaker 3: Volvo driver? They're driving it for a reason other than
Speaker 3: being a car person and at liking a good car.
Speaker 3: They're buying it for other reasons, the environmental responsibility, all
Speaker 3: those things. Just a thought, Just a thought anyway. Oh okay,
Speaker 3: Jack wants to talk about state of origin. I'm quite
Speaker 3: up for that. I was trying to avoid the topic. No,
Speaker 3: many kidding. I don't take losses that badly as a
Speaker 3: New South Wales person. Jack, Hello mate, Hello mate? How well?
Speaker 3: Thank you? Did you go to origin?
Speaker 6: I did?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 6: From jere Mumbagart.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, what'd you think?
Speaker 6: Half didn't?
Speaker 3: But Jack, sorry to interrupt you, mate, I'll have to
Speaker 3: put you back to the switch and we might have
Speaker 3: to get you to call back because that line's breaking
Speaker 3: up just too frequently. I'm sorry, I'm having trouble. Love
Speaker 3: to talk to you and we'll we'll make another attempt
Speaker 3: because I was curious. It's great to hear from someone
Speaker 3: from w A who actually went to state of origin
Speaker 3: and get their thoughts the bare bones of it, so
Speaker 3: to speak. More on the text line, Margaret says, unemployed
Speaker 3: who have savings are not registered as unemployed and not
Speaker 3: entitled benefits, So where do they get the unemployment figures
Speaker 3: a very good point, Vinnie says, Mitch, do a wonderful job.
Speaker 3: There is an ad they put on TV where a
Speaker 3: little person sitting on the school steps wearing old school
Speaker 3: clothes that are obviously very old and don't fitter. And
Speaker 3: it breaks my heart every time I encourage people to
Speaker 3: donate to Vini's. That's nice, Mitch, thank you and well
Speaker 3: said too. And this one from Anthony. People are still
Speaker 3: dumping crappy donations out the front of Vinnie's stores. Yes,
Speaker 3: that's why I asked that question of your lander, because
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people just think, oh eh,
Speaker 3: it's Venie's. I'll get rid of it. But as your
Speaker 3: land to point it out, and it's a good little
Speaker 3: benchmark there. If you wouldn't give it to a mate,
Speaker 3: don't bother giving it to Vinie because clearly it's torn
Speaker 3: or damaged or dirty in some way. Thank you. And
Speaker 3: Brian says Bill, I haven't seen any tesla with a
Speaker 3: hat on the back shelf yet, thank you, Brian. Yes,
Speaker 3: we're digging into a bit of motoring sociology there, and
Speaker 3: I must say, with tongue in cheek, it's all good fun.
Speaker 3: Please don't be offended. I have to say that because
Speaker 3: it's twenty twenty five. You know, it used to go
Speaker 3: without saying, but now it has to go with saying.
Speaker 3: So to speak, Jack, you're back on the line from way.
Speaker 6: So jero mumbergup doesn't have the best reception, asked stick
Speaker 6: boys out.
Speaker 3: Here, jereedm hang on, how do you say jeremunga gup,
Speaker 3: jerem umbergap, jerem mumber gap. Wow? There, No, I have it.
Speaker 3: I've been to a lot of ups in w A.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of ups in w A. It's really
Speaker 3: cool that you go down that coastline and they're everywhere
Speaker 3: and it's quite exciting.
Speaker 6: I think that wasn't up last night was New South
Speaker 6: Wales unfortunately.
Speaker 3: How did you deal with that?
Speaker 4: Look?
Speaker 6: I'm a Queenslander at heart, so I was pretty happy,
Speaker 6: but I still think that Queenslander nowhere. They gave New
Speaker 6: South Wales too much ball in that second half.
Speaker 3: Right right.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: We had someone complain that we were being two one
Speaker 3: eyed in a news bulletin, suggesting it had something to
Speaker 3: do with the goalkicking. But there was also the penalty
Speaker 3: count and let's not minimize the efforts showed by the
Speaker 3: Queenslanders as well, because they're under a lot of pressure.
Speaker 3: I'd written off their pack. I said they didn't have
Speaker 3: the cattle. But they really really lifted their game. And
Speaker 3: I think the rain might have helped a bit too.
Speaker 3: But hey, great game three coming.
Speaker 2: Up, let's get into that.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, the rain was a big factor. We've had about
Speaker 6: thirty mili out of here today, so it's bussing it
Speaker 6: down in Wa.
Speaker 3: But do you need it?
Speaker 6: Yeah, the crops out here are pretty dry. Yeah, anyway, mate, Yeah,
Speaker 6: I'll catch up.
Speaker 3: So great to hear from you, and I really do miss.
Speaker 3: I used to go to Wa for a lot of
Speaker 3: stuff when I was back in my TV days, traveling
Speaker 3: around all over the place, and loved going to Way
Speaker 3: went there a lot and just quietly. The Margaret River
Speaker 3: Winery is not a bad place to visit either. Not
Speaker 3: to mention the beaches, but you have to be a
Speaker 3: little bit careful on some of the beaches, particularly the
Speaker 3: further south you go. Just keep your eyes peeled. It's
Speaker 3: nineteen to one. I'll be right back. We'll talk about
Speaker 3: youth crime. Some interesting stats, I think, some cracking texts
Speaker 3: on the text line about the sociology of motoring, which
Speaker 3: we brought up again tongue in cheek just a moment ago.
Speaker 3: We'll get back to those pretty soon. It's sixteen to one. Well,
Speaker 3: unfortunately we're hearing about this a lot in the news
Speaker 3: every single day, not just in New South Wales, but
Speaker 3: right across the country for the most part, regional areas
Speaker 3: allegedly terrorized by groups of teenagers where once we used
Speaker 3: to hear about kids getting up to the old mischief,
Speaker 3: you know, vandalism, graffiti, bit of shoplifting. Certainly there were
Speaker 3: gang wars between teenagers back in the days, we know that,
Speaker 3: but it was usually fisticuffs. It seems like these days
Speaker 3: where often hearing about youth crimes involving serious assaults with
Speaker 3: weapons for example. And the most recent case, of course
Speaker 3: in New South Wales that's been shocking everyone is a
Speaker 3: fourteen year old charged not convicted with rape in company
Speaker 3: with other teenagers. That case, of course will be born
Speaker 3: out in court, but it made me wonder, if there's
Speaker 3: not more youth crime, is it more serious and if
Speaker 3: so why. Jackie Fitzgerald is the executive director of the
Speaker 3: New South Wales Bureau of Crime, Statistics and Research. Thanks
Speaker 3: for your time, Jackie.
Speaker 9: Hi there, Bill.
Speaker 3: Well, firstly, let's deal with the frequency thing and get
Speaker 3: that out of the way if we can in your
Speaker 3: observations of the data, how frequent is youth crime generally
Speaker 3: compared to previous generations or is it more about how
Speaker 3: we're processing it.
Speaker 9: Look, I know it doesn't feel like this, Bill, but
Speaker 9: there's actually much less youth crime in the present day
Speaker 9: than there was, say, fifteen years ago, and we've got
Speaker 9: a number of sources for that. So primarily we're looking
Speaker 9: at police recorded incidents and the number of charges police
Speaker 9: are laying against young people. And if we compare the
Speaker 9: current year versus the high point is actually around twenty
Speaker 9: two thousand and eight. If we compare the change over
Speaker 9: those sixteen year periods, we're looking at about a thirty
Speaker 9: percent decline in the number of young people who are
Speaker 9: brought to court Biden Southwest Police. And we can also
Speaker 9: see those figures burning out in the court appearances themselves.
Speaker 9: And also if you look at the custody Figures Bill,
Speaker 9: we've got about half as many young people in custody
Speaker 9: the present day than we did in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 9: So really, young people today are offending at a much
Speaker 9: lower rate than they were fifteen or sixteen years ago.
Speaker 9: And I don't know, it doesn't always feel like that,
Speaker 9: and there's always these horrible crime stories, and you know,
Speaker 9: I don't want to defend those in any way or
Speaker 9: stretch of the imagination, but it is the case that
Speaker 9: young people these days are less inclined to get involved
Speaker 9: in crime than they were a generation ago.
Speaker 3: And of course you've just told us about custodial figures there,
Speaker 3: So anyone who's getting a bit cynical and thinks they're
Speaker 3: just hiding the figures, it's pretty hard to hide that.
Speaker 3: If anyone's actually been charged and arrested, then all that's recorded.
Speaker 9: Yeah, there's no question that police are very cognizant of
Speaker 9: the concerns about youth crime. And I don't think anyone
Speaker 9: is accusing yourself whiles police or growing soft on youth crime.
Speaker 9: So we're really taking their figures and looking at how
Speaker 9: many young people they are charging or they can also
Speaker 9: caution a young person, and all of the metrics suggest
Speaker 9: to decline. And you know, even if we look at
Speaker 9: the crime rates, actually most of our crimes have also declined.
Speaker 9: It is the case Bill that over a person's life,
Speaker 9: they are more likely to be involved in crime in
Speaker 9: that kind of late adolescent time than at any other
Speaker 9: point in your life. So if you imagine that kind
Speaker 9: of risk taking behavior that you imagine, even some of
Speaker 9: your listeners look back on certain behaviors that they engaged
Speaker 9: in as a child. I wouldn't dream of doing that now.
Speaker 9: But it's still the case that over your life's course,
Speaker 9: you're more likely to be involved in crime at a
Speaker 9: young age than at any other time. But what we're
Speaker 9: finding is that fewer young people these days are involved
Speaker 9: in crime, even though it still is the time of
Speaker 9: your life that you're most likely to be involved in crime,
Speaker 9: if that's the path you go down.
Speaker 3: So we'll go to the next obvious question then, Jackie,
Speaker 3: and that's great news. Is that Okay, if we're seeing
Speaker 3: fewer offenders, are these fewer offenders actually committing more serious crimes?
Speaker 3: Do you have any stats that WAGH that are.
Speaker 9: The crime bit is higher than it was sixteen years ago?
Speaker 9: Is car theft? So if we compare the rates of
Speaker 9: car theft and also young people proceeded against the car
Speaker 9: theft now, it's about fifty percent higher than in two
Speaker 9: thousand and eight, So that's the offense that really is
Speaker 9: jumping out and that increase has happened kind of post
Speaker 9: COVID really, so two thousand and one and twenty twenty one,
Speaker 9: twenty twenty two we started to see this increase in
Speaker 9: car theft and that is associated with an increase in
Speaker 9: young people's offending. So that's the offense that is fucking
Speaker 9: this general decline. But other offenses that I know are
Speaker 9: in the public eye that people are concerned about, and
Speaker 9: I guess breaking entry is one of the ones that
Speaker 9: jumps out there. We're still seeing break in rates that
Speaker 9: are much lower than they were historically, and things like
Speaker 9: a robbery is another very concerning offense. So there's like
Speaker 9: a violent theft defense with we concerning offense, yes, that
Speaker 9: is much less common than it was, so about half
Speaker 9: as common for young people to participate in robbery than
Speaker 9: they once were, and we're not seeing any evidence of
Speaker 9: a an uptick there. So I think it is true
Speaker 9: that this car theft is probably the problematic offense, and
Speaker 9: hopefully there's something of a trend there that will die away.
Speaker 9: Because we are seeing some places or some parts of
Speaker 9: particularly regional New South Wales, where car theft increased in
Speaker 9: twenty twenty two, has since the decline, so it's something
Speaker 9: of a temporary popular behavior. Unfortunately that has a peak
Speaker 9: and then starts to wane, and hopefully that's how it
Speaker 9: goes for the rest of the New South Wales.
Speaker 3: This might be harder to measure. I don't know, but
Speaker 3: have you seen any correlation with social media? Obviously that
Speaker 3: has played a role. It's been quite well, forgive the term,
Speaker 3: but it is visible literally when we see these crimes.
Speaker 9: Yeah, look, that increase in car theft is it does
Speaker 9: definitely seems to be associated with people posting about their
Speaker 9: offending and really some quite I guess, bragging about their
Speaker 9: exploits on social media. That seems to be a factor
Speaker 9: in that car theft increase. So the government have legislated
Speaker 9: to outlaw posting those kind of of videos. We still
Speaker 9: haven't seen a huge volume of charges under that particular legislation,
Speaker 9: but you know, hopefully that will help turn the tide.
Speaker 9: But I think that is a real problem and one
Speaker 9: of the reasons why we have seen an uptick in
Speaker 9: that particular offense. So some other offenses possibly aren't as
Speaker 9: you don't get as much credibility or bragging rights if
Speaker 9: you post about your shop lifting or something some other
Speaker 9: more minor offenses.
Speaker 3: One more quick question before I let you go, and
Speaker 3: that is recidivism. Are we seeing many repeat offenders now
Speaker 3: or is that basically as it always has been.
Speaker 9: I think Bill, the issue is that there's a lot
Speaker 9: of young people that maybe once would have got involved
Speaker 9: in crime, but are not are not now. They're engaged
Speaker 9: in other pursuits, and often indoor pursuits. We know that
Speaker 9: young people pretty attracted to the gaming console, My children are,
Speaker 9: and that's you know, for all the harms associated with that,
Speaker 9: there is possibly a protective element in terms of antisocial behavior.
Speaker 9: But those kids that do get involved in the criminal
Speaker 9: justice system, they do reoffend, unfortunately, and young people do
Speaker 9: have those few young people that are in the criminal
Speaker 9: justice system do have high rates of refending, so we
Speaker 9: haven't seen a lot of benefit there. But we are
Speaker 9: talking about a smaller cohort than in previous times, so
Speaker 9: that's you know, there's some complexity in the picture.
Speaker 3: But that's generally very comforting news. Jackie Fitzgerald, thank you
Speaker 3: so much for your time.
Speaker 9: Thanks Bill.
Speaker 3: Seven to one Gee, lots of feedback about this, some
Speaker 3: anger on the text line suggesting Jackie's not accurate. Well, look,
Speaker 3: what can you do. It's the Bureau of Statistics. I
Speaker 3: don't have any basis on which to say that she's wrong.
Speaker 3: Jackie's in charge of the statistics. But we have some
Speaker 3: people who are quite anger about this, and I'll get
Speaker 3: back to that. We're running up towards news time, and
Speaker 3: we will get back to your comments on the car
Speaker 3: gag we had about the Tesla driver being the new
Speaker 3: Volvo driver, etc. And I have to say before we
Speaker 3: continue that conversation. I am a subero ambassador too, So look,
Speaker 3: even though it's not really connected to that conversation, I
Speaker 3: am obliged to tell you that and more than happy
Speaker 3: to do so. So take for whatever I say for
Speaker 3: what it's worth in that regard. But we will get
Speaker 3: back to that conversation as well. But to tell you what,
Speaker 3: some people are saying that just can't be right on
Speaker 3: the text line regarding these youth crime statistics. So we'll
Speaker 3: get back to that after this. Well, I knew there'd
Speaker 3: be a few people who are skeptical about those youth
Speaker 3: crime stats we talked about with Jackie Fitzgerald, this is
Speaker 3: the new South Wales Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research.
Speaker 3: But I must say I wasn't prepared for the volume
Speaker 3: of people who were skeptical about it. And I must
Speaker 3: say I don't have anything even anecdotally with which to
Speaker 3: challenge Jackie's data. But Paul says total lies. The reason
Speaker 3: the stats are down is because Young Offenders Act doesn't
Speaker 3: allow the charging of juveniles, so their caution which doesn't
Speaker 3: get recorded as an offense or conviction. I'm a police
Speaker 3: officer and can tell you youth crime is worse than ever,
Speaker 3: particularly summary offenses where their behavior intimidates people. Very interesting,
Speaker 3: the lady says, Daryl can give all the reasons about
Speaker 3: youth crime dropping, but comparing it to back then, it
Speaker 3: doesn't take into account the warnings given and different types
Speaker 3: of correctional mediations. Back in the day we didn't have those.
Speaker 3: And this from Gary, these stats must be wrong. There's
Speaker 3: no way there's less youth crime. I'm a police officer
Speaker 3: and youth crime is rampant. So it's two police officers.
Speaker 3: What a load of bs. Never in my lifetimes crime
Speaker 3: being worse. Disgusting live, says Robin. A lot of people
Speaker 3: are very angry about this. Sue says. All I can
Speaker 3: say is a lot of crime must be unreported because
Speaker 3: I find that these crime statistics are not telling it
Speaker 3: as it is. Michael, like ninety eight percent of everyone
Speaker 3: else listening, I don't believe a word of what that
Speaker 3: woman from the APS just said. She's fooling nearly no
Speaker 3: one except herself and her cohort and the ABS bunker.
Speaker 3: I think what a lot of people are suggesting is
Speaker 3: that a lot of these crimes are being for various reasons,
Speaker 3: which two people who said they are police officers have
Speaker 3: said also that it's just not being officially reported. Very interesting.
Speaker 3: Keep that feedback going. We've got a lot more coming
Speaker 3: up too. We'll get back to the cars as well
Speaker 3: after the news now.
Speaker 1: On GGB and network stations back two afternoons with Bill
Speaker 1: Woods filling in from Michael McLaren.
Speaker 3: Yes, another action packed our coming up for you. We
Speaker 3: hope you'll enjoy it. We've got our regular guest annacor
Speaker 3: Day talking entertainment and just to tick, including the latest
Speaker 3: and greatest midday film. Marcia Hines. I'm so excited will
Speaker 3: be in the studio. A massive fan of Marsha Hines.
Speaker 3: She's got a new remixed single, she's going on tour
Speaker 3: and I think I don't know. We'll ask you if
Speaker 3: she's going to come back and do more judging on
Speaker 3: Australian Idol as well for the next season when that's due.
Speaker 3: So that's a little look at the next hour ahead
Speaker 3: of us. And boy oh boy, are people getting upset
Speaker 3: about the youth crime statistics and the Australian or in
Speaker 3: fact the new South Wales Bureau of Crime Statistics And
Speaker 3: the interview we did with Jackie Fitzgerald just before the
Speaker 3: news so in case you've just tuned in, we had
Speaker 3: a couple of ex police officers, including and a number
Speaker 3: of other people basically saying they can't believe those official statistics. Now.
Speaker 3: I did question Jackie on how these statistics ocessed and
Speaker 3: whether it's custodial figures as opposed to actual charges, but
Speaker 3: she insisted that the youth crime generally is down, and
Speaker 3: even when I asked her about repeat offenders and whether
Speaker 3: crime was more severe if it wasn't more prolific, she
Speaker 3: still said things are getting better and people just cannot
Speaker 3: believe it. She's off her tree says this text message
Speaker 3: young people are less in numbers. I think they mean
Speaker 3: young offenders are less in numbers because police or the
Speaker 3: courts are not pursuing them. And that's a common thread
Speaker 3: with a number of people who've also said that, for
Speaker 3: example Al who says he's an ex copper. These days
Speaker 3: it's very hard to report anything. It's convoluted and people
Speaker 3: just don't bother. So that's another interesting angle that they're
Speaker 3: saying that a lot of youth crime is not even reported,
Speaker 3: therefore it won't even come across the desk of the
Speaker 3: New South Wales Bureau of Crime Statistics. Greg So pointed
Speaker 3: to one of the little intricacies of measuring these things
Speaker 3: when he said, well, I wonder how you steal a
Speaker 3: car without breaking into someone's house first and stealing the keys,
Speaker 3: which we've seen a lot in these small towns and
Speaker 3: regional areas where gangs are doing just that, and when
Speaker 3: they do break into the homes, they're armed, Thank you, Greg.
Speaker 3: That is of course disturbing a lot of people, particularly
Speaker 3: elderly people in those areas. And that look is We've
Speaker 3: got so many texts on this, and I think that
Speaker 3: basically covers a lot of what people are saying, and
Speaker 3: that is their are statistics, and their are statistics. Diane
Speaker 3: also points out, and I think I did bring this
Speaker 3: up in the interview, if one person is committing multiple
Speaker 3: crimes to zak count and I did bring that up
Speaker 3: Diane about repeat offenders. But again Jackie insisting that the
Speaker 3: stats are better than you think they are. If you
Speaker 3: believe those stats, you believe in the tooth fairies is Karla.
Speaker 3: There you go, and on it goes. There are many others,
Speaker 3: thank you. I think I've covered well. Another person who
Speaker 3: claims to work in retail saying that it's rife in
Speaker 3: stores now and basically nothing could be done about it.
Speaker 3: And a couple of people have pointed out too that
Speaker 3: and it's almost contradictory because when you think about it,
Speaker 3: these instances would not be reported in the stats either.
Speaker 3: But they're saying that back in the old days, a
Speaker 3: copper grab you by the scuff of the net, kick
Speaker 3: you in the backside and take you back to your parents'
Speaker 3: place for a good talking to or something like that.
Speaker 3: But of course that wouldn't have been a statistic back
Speaker 3: then either. But anyway, look, I'm you know, I don't
Speaker 3: want to keep going on about how good the good
Speaker 3: old days were, because there were things about the good
Speaker 3: old days that weren't so good. But I do believe
Speaker 3: that lack of respect for police these days and authority generally,
Speaker 3: and the inability of police to just exercise a little
Speaker 3: bit of that muscle for want of a better term,
Speaker 3: might come in handy these days. But of course, you know,
Speaker 3: they can't go anywhere near that kind of behavior on
Speaker 3: the contrary. Anyway, there you go, lots of people calling
Speaker 3: in about that or texting in about that. Thank you
Speaker 3: very much for your feedback. We really appreciate it. I
Speaker 3: promised to get back to the car comment, and I
Speaker 3: do have to insist that I must disclose I'm a
Speaker 3: Subero embassador before we have any conversations like this. I
Speaker 3: did bring it up earlier. Is the Tesla driver the
Speaker 3: new Volvo driver because they drive cars that because they
Speaker 3: think they're being responsible rather than just doing it to
Speaker 3: be cool as opposed to the old days. You know,
Speaker 3: those sorts of things. Had a lot of feedback on that,
Speaker 3: which was quite amusing. This one from Sam the camera
Speaker 3: driver is the new Volvo driver. There you go, I
Speaker 3: hadn't really thought about that. And this one is just
Speaker 3: a very kind text message about I have written a
Speaker 3: book about motorsport legends called Legends of Speed. Yes, thank you, Chris.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you enjoyed the book. That was a few
Speaker 3: years ago. Now I wrote that book. This one again.
Speaker 3: The new Volvo drivers are camera drivers, says Anton. Okay,
Speaker 3: so that the old camera is getting a bit of
Speaker 3: a run there, and Tesla's definitely the new Volvo, says
Speaker 3: this one, and a few other people agreeing with that.
Speaker 3: Some people are saying, there you go, and I disclosed
Speaker 3: as a Superuo ambassador. This person is saying Volvo drivers
Speaker 3: became Subaru drivers who were now Tesla drivers. He's laughing though,
Speaker 3: Mitch when he says that, you got the lol on
Speaker 3: the end of it. So there you go. Bit of
Speaker 3: motoring sociology. It's always a bit of fun when you're
Speaker 3: sitting in traffic trying to work out why people do
Speaker 3: the stupid things they do, and you know, we come
Speaker 3: up with stereotypes. All right, that's that I reckon we
Speaker 3: should talk a bit of screen.
Speaker 2: Stuff now on afternoon, and I says screen torch.
Speaker 3: On a much lighter note again, Hello anakor day, good
Speaker 3: to catch up with you again.
Speaker 10: Good to talk to you.
Speaker 11: Bill.
Speaker 3: Now let's start with the midday movie since I last
Speaker 3: filled in for Michael. This is a new thing, and
Speaker 3: I must say, back in the old days, going back
Speaker 3: to when I was a kid, and that's a few
Speaker 3: decades now, there was always a midday film. This has
Speaker 3: been around for a long time.
Speaker 10: It is a pretty, i guess, a staple of our
Speaker 10: TV viewing these days. As you say, it's been going
Speaker 10: on for a long time. I used to love tuning
Speaker 10: in and you know, you'd have a sick day from
Speaker 10: school and you'd watch some weird movie from the sixties. Perfect.
Speaker 10: But look, I've been putting myself through the horrors of
Speaker 10: the mediocre midday movies for the last few weeks, and
Speaker 10: this week I was relieved to actually find one that's
Speaker 10: a little bit better than mediocre. This one is an
Speaker 10: Australian movie. It's a bit of a sci fi thriller.
Speaker 7: It's called Monolith.
Speaker 10: The official synopsis is, while trying to salvage her career,
Speaker 10: a disgraced journalist begins investigating a strange conspiracy theory. So
Speaker 10: we're off to a good start. However, as the trail
Speaker 10: leads uncomfortably close to home. She's left to grapple with
Speaker 10: the lies at the heart of her own story. So look,
Speaker 10: it sounds like it'd be absolutely awful, but it actually
Speaker 10: is not that bad. I was very pleasantly surprised. There
Speaker 10: is a bit of alien stuff going on, so that's
Speaker 10: always going to pique the interest. And look, I just
Speaker 10: needed something that wasn't a murderous sister out for revenge
Speaker 10: or a gymnast tangled in a web of lies.
Speaker 7: This week.
Speaker 10: I will also say, so this is airing right now
Speaker 10: on nine Go. It also so then leads into an
Speaker 10: absolute banger of an afternoon if you were I kind
Speaker 10: of wish I was homesick right now so I could
Speaker 10: be watching The Golden Girls and then The Nanny. I mean,
Speaker 10: I don't think it gets better.
Speaker 3: Is The Golden Girl still going?
Speaker 10: Of course it?
Speaker 3: I mean why shouldn't please? Yeah, why shouldn't it?
Speaker 10: I mean that's you don't even need to know what
Speaker 10: season or what episode, you just watch it.
Speaker 3: That's true, That is quite right. It's one of those
Speaker 3: series and I think you probably throw Seinfeld in there
Speaker 3: that you could just jump in anywhere and it still
Speaker 3: makes sense.
Speaker 10: The Nanny Friends phil and Grace. It all works now.
Speaker 3: Just quickly on that, I noticed Damon Harryman is in
Speaker 3: the cast of Monolith, and he's a good Aussie actor.
Speaker 3: Is this an Aussie film?
Speaker 10: It is an Aussie film. It was made in twenty
Speaker 10: twenty two. He's probably the biggest name out of the
Speaker 10: cast in there. The rest of them are all kind
Speaker 10: of up and comers, but it is an Australian film.
Speaker 10: Monolith on nine go right.
Speaker 3: Now now with the movies, the twenty eight series. It
Speaker 3: started with twenty eight Days Later, which was such an
Speaker 3: innovative and very well made zombie film. For those who
Speaker 3: hate zombie films, this might be one you might want
Speaker 3: to see. But now they've moved on. Where did go
Speaker 3: from there? And it went to twenty eight weeks or something?
Speaker 10: We had twenty eight weeks later. That's right. That wasn't
Speaker 10: necessarily seen as the best film or the best sequel.
Speaker 10: And of course that one wasn't directed or written by
Speaker 10: Danny Boyle and Alex Garland. They're the ones who created
Speaker 10: that first film, and as you say, it was such
Speaker 10: an innovative film. But they are finally back at the
Speaker 10: helm of this new one. So this is twenty eight
Speaker 10: years later. So, as we can understand, twenty eight days
Speaker 10: later was twenty eight days after a zombie outbreak. Twenty
Speaker 10: eight weeks later, twenty eight weeks after the outbreak. Now
Speaker 10: we are twenty eight years on. So the setup for
Speaker 10: these films is that this virus outbreak has happened in
Speaker 10: the UK. It's all contained to the UK, so the
Speaker 10: rest of the world life is going on, so the
Speaker 10: virus is contained. Although twenty eight weeks later did try
Speaker 10: to imply that it had spread to Europe, they've kind
Speaker 10: of shut that down and ignored that for this one,
Speaker 10: so right, pretending it didn't happen. So in this one,
Speaker 10: as I said, it's twenty years on, twenty eight years
Speaker 10: on this you know, people are still living there. There
Speaker 10: are lots of zombies around. They've started to mutate. They've
Speaker 10: turned into alphas and some weird, fat, slow ones, quite
Speaker 10: entertaining to look at. That's the best way I can
Speaker 10: describe them. They've got official names. But that's what it is,
Speaker 10: zombie shaming, you know, but wait until you see it.
Speaker 7: It's a lot.
Speaker 10: It is a lot, and none of them have clothes
Speaker 10: because of course the clothes that they were in when
Speaker 10: they turned into zombies have disintegrated in twenty eight years.
Speaker 3: They're closed to citic great, but they don't rot. It
Speaker 3: always makes me wonder why don't they finish up as
Speaker 3: skeletons or something. I can't figure that out.
Speaker 10: In Zombie Willing, I don't quite care to look into
Speaker 10: the science behind this virus. But all I know is
Speaker 10: the clothes are not clothes anymore. So you will see
Speaker 10: a lot of naked zombies. I am giving you a
Speaker 10: warning you the film though. This setup is that you know,
Speaker 10: a few societies have kind of re emerged within England.
Speaker 10: They're living in kind of secluded Little Air is one
Speaker 10: such family, living on a little island. They go to
Speaker 10: the mainland. Young Spike, he's kind of the focus of
Speaker 10: this film. His mum needs a bit of help, so
Speaker 10: he ventures to the mainland to seek said help, and
Speaker 10: he finds that maybe things aren't quite what he expected
Speaker 10: on the mainland, where it's you know, being run over
Speaker 10: by mutant zombies. I'm a bit vague there because I
Speaker 10: don't want to spoil any plot points, because while I
Speaker 10: personally hate zombies and horror, I can admit that this
Speaker 10: is a brilliant film, and we have Aaron Taylor Johnson,
Speaker 10: Jody Comer, and Rafe Fines among the cast. Also for
Speaker 10: a zombie film, there is so much emotion in this
Speaker 10: so I was crying from both pure fear and pure
Speaker 10: emotion in this movie, which is quite a feat. It
Speaker 10: is absolutely terrifying. Though you will also see a lot
Speaker 10: of human spines, so I warn you on that. Fans
Speaker 10: of the franchise, though, eat your heart out.
Speaker 3: Nude zombies and spines and Ray Fines thrown into the mix.
Speaker 3: That's what they're not mucking around. They get him on.
Speaker 10: Oh no, okay, and he's taking his role very seriously
Speaker 10: in this. Also, I'm not going to reveal anything, but
Speaker 10: this is setting up another film that has been written
Speaker 10: that's kind of like a sequel. It's called The Bone Temple.
Speaker 10: All ties back to that very first film twenty eight
Speaker 10: days later. You'll see what I mean when you see
Speaker 10: the last few minutes of this film, and it's all
Speaker 10: setting up what's to come, I think.
Speaker 3: But it's a lot because there is so many zombie
Speaker 3: franchises now, and can you remember I think in this
Speaker 3: series the zombies are fast, aren't they.
Speaker 10: They're fast, and the virus spreads very quickly, so as
Speaker 10: soon as essentially kind of once you're bitten, you're gone.
Speaker 10: It takes a couple of minutes. And yes, that is
Speaker 10: they kind of address it so that this virus has
Speaker 10: then now kind of acted almost like a like a stimulant,
Speaker 10: a steroid, and so it's really transformed. That's why they've
Speaker 10: started to mutate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't like the fast ones. They're scary.
Speaker 10: Yes I would if it's on the outbreak happened. I'm
Speaker 10: not running, I'm not doing anything. Just take me out.
Speaker 3: Did you see that scene in World War Z where
Speaker 3: they sort of piled on top of each other as
Speaker 3: they invaded the walls of the city. That was quite nepicure.
Speaker 10: They tend to do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not looking forward to that day. No, Ellie, Let's
Speaker 3: move on. Elio. What's the about?
Speaker 10: This one is much more my speed and it is
Speaker 10: as far away from twenty eight years later as you
Speaker 10: can get. So Elio is the new offering from Disney Pixar.
Speaker 10: So Elio, he's a bit of a loner, he's a
Speaker 10: bit of an underdog. He's got a very vivid imagination
Speaker 10: and one day he gets boom beamed. I can't even speak.
Speaker 10: Beamed up to the communiverse now looks stay with me.
Speaker 10: The Communiverse is an interplanetary organization that brings together beings
Speaker 10: from all galaxies and planets, and they have somehow mistaken
Speaker 10: the child that is Elo as the ambassador to f Look.
Speaker 10: It is a bit of a kooky premise. It is
Speaker 10: such a delightful movie though, there's so much high in it.
Speaker 10: It's sweet, it's visually stunning. It's all about, you know,
Speaker 10: finding your place in the world or within the galaxies,
Speaker 10: and accepting yourself and kindness, and that's all of the
Speaker 10: things that we want to be teaching young kids. It's
Speaker 10: just a really really sweet family film and another home
Speaker 10: run from Pixar they never miss.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a little bit like that movie where the
Speaker 3: kid became a starfighter or something for another civilization on
Speaker 3: another planet. I don't know, maybe I'm mixing my films
Speaker 3: up anyway, it.
Speaker 10: Sounds a bit like that. They've all got pretty similar
Speaker 10: premises and they're all teaching valuable lessons.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now the Waterfront we're getting onto streaming now, my goodness,
Speaker 3: there's been some great shows. If you've seen that Department Q.
Speaker 3: I don't know whether you've talked about.
Speaker 10: That one is fantastic, Yeah, Flix, very good, great characters
Speaker 10: in that show. Yes, it'll bit kind of like Slow
Speaker 10: Horses in a way it is.
Speaker 3: Isn't that funny because that's exactly what I thought, which
Speaker 3: is a ripper show Slow Horses. Love that the lines
Speaker 3: that Gary Oldman gets in that show, it's fantastic. Anyway,
Speaker 3: we're talking Waterfront, what's all that about?
Speaker 10: This one is coming out on Netflix to It's a
Speaker 10: little bit kind of like a succession style show. It
Speaker 10: is based on true events, so it centers around the
Speaker 10: Buckley family. They own a fishing empire in North Carolina.
Speaker 10: It's in a bit of trouble for various reasons. But
Speaker 10: when a ship runs aground and some illicit cargo is discovered,
Speaker 10: a succession battle and a conflict is triggered between the
Speaker 10: patriarch of this fishing family and his heir apparent. So look,
Speaker 10: it's not quite succession, you know. It doesn't have that
Speaker 10: razor shup with that succession has, but it does kind
Speaker 10: of fill the somewhat gaping hole that succession has left.
Speaker 10: It's just an easy drama to watch and it's going
Speaker 10: to be on Netflix today.
Speaker 3: And moving on. We've got a couple of others to
Speaker 3: get through as well. We were Liars.
Speaker 10: Yes, this one is out on Prime Video today. Well
Speaker 10: it's out already, actually, I think it's just dropped. So
Speaker 10: this one is a little bit kind of like Pretty
Speaker 10: Little Liars meets I Know What You Did Last Summer
Speaker 10: meets a little bit of a succession mixed in there
Speaker 10: as well, but it centers around a rich girl. Her
Speaker 10: name is Cadence. Her group of friends are called the Liars,
Speaker 10: and I mean, look, personally, it's not the kind of
Speaker 10: name that I would watch to give my friend group.
Speaker 10: I wouldn't want us to be known as the Lies.
Speaker 10: But anyway, we move on. But they spend their summers
Speaker 10: on Cadence's grandpa's private island. They're rich, old money kind
Speaker 10: of people, you know, so they have their own private island.
Speaker 10: But something very dramatic and mysterious happens. I'm not going
Speaker 10: to reveal what because that's all part of the enjoyment
Speaker 10: that you get when you watch this show. But it
Speaker 10: changes everything for not only Cadence but the Liars, and
Speaker 10: it appears everyone is hiding something. So good old classic
Speaker 10: mystery deceit lies all of that, it is surprisingly good.
Speaker 10: I did kind of think it'd be a bit tacky,
Speaker 10: you know, you know, spoiled rich kids being awful. But
Speaker 10: there is a lot of substance, a lot of twists,
Speaker 10: a lot of turns and it so it will hook
Speaker 10: you right in. So that's we were liars on Prime
Speaker 10: Video and moving.
Speaker 3: On to Apple TV. Now for The Buccaneers.
Speaker 10: Yes, this is purely just for me because I have
Speaker 10: a guilty pleasure with this show. If you haven't watched
Speaker 10: The Buccaneers yet, think Bridgeton meets the Gilded Age. So
Speaker 10: it's America, it's the eighteen seventies wealthy girls. In the
Speaker 10: first season, we're introduced to this group of girls. They're
Speaker 10: sent to London to procure some wealthy husbands. There's a
Speaker 10: bit of a culture clash and some complicated love triangles
Speaker 10: and all sorts of drama. So season one ended on
Speaker 10: a big cliff cliffhanger and there was a bit of
Speaker 10: a scandal. So now we're back and we're learning the repercussions.
Speaker 10: And look, I know that the show isn't for everyone,
Speaker 10: but I love it so much and so if anyone
Speaker 10: is missing Bridgetton, this is the one that you need
Speaker 10: to watch in between seasons. So this is the Buccaneers
Speaker 10: on Apple TV Plus.
Speaker 3: I was kind of hoping it'd be about pirates, but.
Speaker 10: Unfortunate, I know, a bit of a confusing title. No pirates,
Speaker 10: lots of girls in pretty dresses.
Speaker 3: Well I'll get enough stuff to look at anyway. So
Speaker 3: there's plenty of content there, as they say in the classics.
Speaker 3: Andna great to catch up with you again, of course,
Speaker 3: So when Michael gets back next week, you'll do it again.
Speaker 10: Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: There she is, Anna Corday was screen Talk twenty seven
Speaker 3: past one News coming up and then the great Marsha
Speaker 3: Hines will be in the studio. In my heart will
Speaker 3: skip a beat. But in the meantime we've got an
Speaker 3: interesting yarn came through. We mentioned the influence of social
Speaker 3: media on youth crime in our chat with Jackie a
Speaker 3: little earlier from the Bureau of Statistics in New South Wales.
Speaker 3: Now bit of a setback for the federal government's plan
Speaker 3: to restrict social media for kids under the age of sixteen. Yes,
Speaker 3: remember that they got the legislation through and this social
Speaker 3: media ban which is due to start in December, Well
Speaker 3: they reckon more than twenty million Australians will now be
Speaker 3: required or then be required to demonstrate that they are
Speaker 3: sixteen or older when you log into social media. Okay,
Speaker 3: but the government has been trying to work out in
Speaker 3: the meantime, that is, from the passing of the legislation
Speaker 3: to the implementation of it, how it's all going to work.
Speaker 3: And it's been trialing a bunch of technologies for about
Speaker 3: eight months and so far there are a lot of questions,
Speaker 3: not too many answers yet. For example, the ABC's reporting
Speaker 3: today that children as young as fifteen were repeatedly misidentified
Speaker 3: as being in their twenties and thirties when the government
Speaker 3: was testing age check tools. It's face scanning basically, and
Speaker 3: they've tested it on school students this year and at
Speaker 3: best they could only guess their age within about eighteen
Speaker 3: months in eighty five percent of the cases. The full
Speaker 3: results of the what they call Age Assurance Technology trial
Speaker 3: are not expected to be released until later this year,
Speaker 3: but apparently the experts are a little worried. Some of
Speaker 3: the students at Canberra's John Paul College who previewed the
Speaker 3: technology as part of the trial, were surprised when their
Speaker 3: results were up to decades off the mark. The face
Speaker 3: scanning technology actually thought they were much older than they
Speaker 3: really were. There are a lot of other age estimation
Speaker 3: techniques that rely on things like voice and hand movements
Speaker 3: and even the kinds of things they search for on
Speaker 3: the Internet. Other tools have a higher degree of certainty,
Speaker 3: but that involves a bit of invasion of privacy so
Speaker 3: to speak, you know, third party checks such as banks, schools,
Speaker 3: healthcare providers and even the dreaded drivers license or passport
Speaker 3: indeed for ID. The more we go down that road,
Speaker 3: of course, the more people will complain. So they're trying
Speaker 3: to find simpler ways of identifying people under the age
Speaker 3: of sixteen who are trying to get on the Internet
Speaker 3: are indeed into social media spaces. It looks like there'll
Speaker 3: be a combination of all these measures when they ultimately
Speaker 3: get around to it, and they might do it in stages,
Speaker 3: start with facial recognition and then go on from there
Speaker 3: and get down and deeper into more different ways of
Speaker 3: identifying you. But anyway, a spokesperson for the Communications Minister,
Speaker 3: Anika Wells, has said the government would be guided by
Speaker 3: advice from the E Safety Commissioner on how to implement
Speaker 3: this ban. So I think a lot of people in
Speaker 3: principle thought it was a good idea. How are they
Speaker 3: going to make it work? Little way off yet, will
Speaker 3: find out. News coming up. Good afternoon, Aaron Mark, Good afternoon.
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Speaker 3: And as we discussed yesterday in the Sydney area, pretty
Speaker 3: stable top of seventeen this afternoon mostly sunny again with
Speaker 3: just a light wind here and there. Looking at the
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Speaker 3: light winds northerly fifteen to twenty k's around now. They're
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Speaker 3: I think there'll be a lot of puffer jackets on
Speaker 3: display coming up the Great Marsia heins right here twenty
Speaker 3: four to two A. Doesn't they bring back memories? But
Speaker 3: there are many others too. And have you noticed something
Speaker 3: about that track? Think I think I've detected something about
Speaker 3: that track because I know the song very well. I
Speaker 3: could be wrong. I've been wrong plenty of times before.
Speaker 3: But let's get the person who should know right here
Speaker 3: with us. And I'm very, very excited actually to be
Speaker 3: able to talk to her in the studio. Marsia. Heines,
Speaker 3: thank you so much for coming in.
Speaker 7: My total pleasure. How are you? You're so right though, Yeah,
Speaker 7: we've changed it up a bit. That song.
Speaker 3: It's a little bit bit faster, a little.
Speaker 7: Bit fast, a little bit funkier, a little bit twentieth
Speaker 7: first century?
Speaker 3: Is that because the kids today are faster than we were.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm just saying. I'm just saying I
Speaker 3: don't want to. I don't want to even call you
Speaker 3: a music legend because a lot of people get called
Speaker 3: that and that's kind of passe. Really, you are a
Speaker 3: national treasure. I've been listening to you and watching you
Speaker 3: for so long, and we were just saying, I haven't
Speaker 3: seen you for a long time, but I had hair
Speaker 3: the last time we actually ran into each other. But
Speaker 3: over the years doing TV geets and things like that,
Speaker 3: do you remember performing in someone's backyard in Mossman once?
Speaker 3: I think you were working with Channel ten in some
Speaker 3: capacity and there was some station we had a party
Speaker 3: there thing a thing I do, and you were performing
Speaker 3: in the backyard. And I remember my wife saying to
Speaker 3: me at the time. She was there and she said,
Speaker 3: I can't believe this. We've got Marcia Hines performing for
Speaker 3: us with a band in the backyard, and not our backyard.
Speaker 3: I hastened to add it as the sea at the time,
Speaker 3: it was anyway, and she was saying, I bet no
Speaker 3: one's complaining about the noise.
Speaker 7: I hope not, anyway, I hope not.
Speaker 3: Now tell me, I I We've got a lot to
Speaker 3: get through here. You were you were doing a tour
Speaker 3: with Casey Donovan.
Speaker 7: Yes, I am.
Speaker 3: And it's called Marsha's Seeing Summer. And we're not talking
Speaker 3: about the time of year here, No, it's no.
Speaker 7: No, We're talking about donna summer songs. And it's me
Speaker 7: actually paying homage to Donna because I grew up with
Speaker 7: Donna in Boston and Donna became quite famous, but before
Speaker 7: she became famous, her sister was my best friend and
Speaker 7: her name is Linda, and Linda and I hung out
Speaker 7: and Donn was older than us, and you know, like
Speaker 7: when you have a girl around you that's older than you,
Speaker 7: you always tend to go through her things when she
Speaker 7: wasn't home. Yes, we did, and she hated us consequently,
Speaker 7: But Donna left Boston to do a play called Porgy
Speaker 7: and Best in Germany, and then her sister did hair
Speaker 7: in Boston. And Linda said to me, oh, because we
Speaker 7: used to always sing around and do talent shows when
Speaker 7: we were kids. And Linda said, oh, come and do
Speaker 7: hair in Boston with me. It'll be a hoot. And
Speaker 7: I said, I don't really want to stay in Boston.
Speaker 7: I want to go to Chicago or maybe New York
Speaker 7: or LA. But I don't want to go. I don't
Speaker 7: want to just do a show and stay in Boston.
Speaker 7: And so she said, okay, fair enough. So she did
Speaker 7: hair in Boston. And then auditions were held specifically for
Speaker 7: black kids to come to Australia for Harry and Miller.
Speaker 7: Let's do to do hair? And I did the audition
Speaker 7: and about maybe I don't know, it's a bit of
Speaker 7: a day's but I think, you know, like no longer
Speaker 7: than a week and a half hours in Australia.
Speaker 3: And you were just a teenage thinks in fact, didn't
Speaker 3: Harry have to become your guardian something?
Speaker 7: Until I was twenty one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, good guy, And boy there's been a lot
Speaker 3: happened since then.
Speaker 7: You bet, yeah, you know, and look, I look back
Speaker 7: on it and I'm so grateful for the opportunities that
Speaker 7: have arisen, and I'm just glad I grabbed them and
Speaker 7: I did what I could. And you know, you never know,
Speaker 7: you know what I mean. I didn't come to Australia
Speaker 7: to be famous. I just came for six months and
Speaker 7: I'm still here.
Speaker 3: But well, I think we got the better end of
Speaker 3: the deal, Marshia. Just between us, it was our win.
Speaker 3: It was our win.
Speaker 10: You.
Speaker 3: I want to talk a little bit about Donna Summer too,
Speaker 3: because you know, again just checking back, I was spinning
Speaker 3: her discs when I was a DJ, just starting out,
Speaker 3: trying to find a job in radio, a long, long
Speaker 3: time ago. And it's interesting. I will talk in a
Speaker 3: bit more detailed about music of the seventies. I want
Speaker 3: to talk about that because I'm a bit snobby. The
Speaker 3: Donna's sometimes referred to as queen of disco.
Speaker 7: Now I think she was if you think about it,
Speaker 7: because you know, I remember when we were in Boston
Speaker 7: and I first heard Love to Love Your Baby. We
Speaker 7: all went, oh, Donna.
Speaker 3: That was saucy.
Speaker 7: There was saucy because we were all brought up in church.
Speaker 7: You know, most black kids in America brought up in church.
Speaker 7: And we couldn't believe Donna done that. We were thought,
Speaker 7: but that's really cool. But Donna, you make it in
Speaker 7: trouble by your parents for singing like that. But yeah,
Speaker 7: and then you know, I mean she just set a
Speaker 7: standard and agreed standard. You know, it's funny when you
Speaker 7: look at careers. I think Donna was like, really one
Speaker 7: of the best people to come out of Boston besides
Speaker 7: Bete Davis, Bete Davis from New England. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 7: I think Donna really put Boston on the.
Speaker 3: Map, and I think people need to know because there's
Speaker 3: a lot of depth, a lot of bands and artists. Yes,
Speaker 3: did disco back then, Yes, it is, you know, frowned
Speaker 3: upon by some people in hindsight, but there was good
Speaker 3: disco and bad disco like anything else. We had jazz musicians, yes,
Speaker 3: putting out disco albums and records back in the day,
Speaker 3: and there was some really cool stuff. It just happened
Speaker 3: to have a different beat. And Donna had a lot
Speaker 3: of depth to a performance.
Speaker 7: I think so but I have a theory about the
Speaker 7: disco era, and that would be because we'd gone through
Speaker 7: a very heavy time being the Vietnam.
Speaker 8: War, of course, and the war was over.
Speaker 7: And then all of a sudden, you know, there was
Speaker 7: a thing called disco with bad fashion, interesting music shoes
Speaker 7: that it was so high you could fall over and
Speaker 7: kill yourself in, you know. But it was a wonderful time,
Speaker 7: and I think we needed some joy after, you know,
Speaker 7: such a tumultuous time with the Vietnam War. Because when
Speaker 7: I came to Australia, I met so many soldiers who
Speaker 7: had served, who were coming to Sydney for R and
Speaker 7: R and then sent back to America. Yeah, we heard
Speaker 7: some you know, pretty heroing stories. And also it kind
Speaker 7: of made us feel with doing the play hair, we
Speaker 7: were doing the right thing because that was a great
Speaker 7: demonstration for us about the Vietnam War.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good point. Again, a lot of depth to that show,
Speaker 3: more so than it appeared. And talking about the depth
Speaker 3: in Donna's music, the reason I brought that up is
Speaker 3: because she did a lot of other stuff besides disco.
Speaker 3: In fact, some of her albums were quite sophisticated.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, fine, singer do you have a favorite particular
Speaker 7: song's song, I like, I'm State of Independent. Oh yes,
Speaker 7: that's one of my favorite ones.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that is a bit that was a big
Speaker 3: Was that her biggest hitle?
Speaker 7: Because well a thing loved to love your Baby, of course,
Speaker 7: but I think she did very well. Then she did
Speaker 7: some big time writing with the guys in London who
Speaker 7: wrote for Kylie Minogue, you know, ah right, yeah.
Speaker 3: So that's a big deal. Is that thinking about your
Speaker 3: own career as well? Is hooking up with good songwriters.
Speaker 7: You never know. You hope for the best, you know.
Speaker 7: I mean I had great I write myself, but I
Speaker 7: had great people like Jimmy Web writing for me, you know.
Speaker 7: And when you get a Jimmy Web song, there's a
Speaker 7: Masha Han song, I'd rather sing Jimmy because Jimmy's just
Speaker 7: He's like one of my idols.
Speaker 3: He keeps cropping up. Every time you talk to an
Speaker 3: artist who's had success in that era, Jimmy Webb comes
Speaker 3: up in the conversation a lot.
Speaker 7: Yes, and I'm donea saying MacArthur.
Speaker 3: Park of course. Oh yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 7: Mean a good songwriter. Is this nothing like Brett Backerach,
Speaker 7: you know those people Paul mccarttey were talking about Paul
Speaker 7: mc cotty, the Beatles, good music, and you know, it's
Speaker 7: all storytelling at the end of the day. So you
Speaker 7: hear something that resonates with you and you tell the
Speaker 7: story with your voice. It's a beautiful thing to do.
Speaker 3: I was playing a seventies track the other day at home.
Speaker 3: It was an Ambrosia song. Oh yes, one of those
Speaker 3: bands that didn't really get a massive profile. You could
Speaker 3: argue there are a one hit wonder, but they actually yeah,
Speaker 3: but they actually did some pretty good stuff, but they
Speaker 3: were There were just so many good acts around in
Speaker 3: those days.
Speaker 10: Is yeah.
Speaker 7: And I was living in LA at that point in time,
Speaker 7: so there were incredible bands like.
Speaker 3: Total Yeah, you know, similar band.
Speaker 7: Incredible music that was happening out of LA. But I think,
Speaker 7: you know, like I said, you know that whole hippie
Speaker 7: revolution with people like Jimmy Hendrickson. You know, you got
Speaker 7: Fleetwood Mac. I listened to music a lot. The best
Speaker 7: thing about listening to music, I always hear something new
Speaker 7: in every track. Oh I didn't hear that before, you know,
Speaker 7: So I tend to listen, But I do tend to listen.
Speaker 7: I drove my family crazy listening to music.
Speaker 3: I'll get back to that point after the break, but
Speaker 3: before the break, I wanted to also say that when
Speaker 3: I played that track, my son said, I know that song,
Speaker 3: and I said, I bet it was remix somewhere by
Speaker 3: somebody because he likes rap. Of course he does same,
Speaker 3: And sure enough he played me a track where someone
Speaker 3: had remixed a chorus from this Ambrosia song and which
Speaker 3: I believe it's just gone off the I can't think
Speaker 3: of which song it was at the moment, but it
Speaker 3: doesn't matter. I wanted to ask you too, this is
Speaker 3: your own remix of your own song. But how many
Speaker 3: songs from your ear that that real hub in the
Speaker 3: seventies and eighties have been sampled now?
Speaker 4: A lot?
Speaker 7: And that's a good thing. That means that the music
Speaker 7: that you've chosen is good music.
Speaker 13: You know.
Speaker 7: You don't sample bad stuff, do you, you know? Yeah,
Speaker 7: So it's good and it resonates obviously with an audience
Speaker 7: then and now, and that's what you can only dream
Speaker 7: of as a musician, dream of it.
Speaker 3: We'll take a quick break. Marsh's going to stay with us,
Speaker 3: which is very kind of you, and we'll talk about
Speaker 3: your tour, where you're going in all those things, and Casey,
Speaker 3: your relationship with Casey will also I want to get
Speaker 3: a little bit more, just not in a lot of
Speaker 3: detail because it don't sound like a cranky old man,
Speaker 3: but just how good that music was and why back
Speaker 3: in those days eleven to two, where privilege to talk
Speaker 3: to the great Marsha. Heines this afternoon and all the
Speaker 3: texts coming through, wonderful to hear. Marsha had the pleasure
Speaker 3: a few brief meeting system, a beautiful soul, some lovely
Speaker 3: comments coming through. Marsha the queen of Australian music, stunning,
Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff. Bill, it seems we both
Speaker 3: have a crush on Marsha, says Mitch. These are well,
Speaker 3: I think she's I think she's spoken for Mitch, so
Speaker 3: you know, but anyway, hang in there, mate, keep the faith,
Speaker 3: you know. Listen, Marsha, we got another text which is
Speaker 3: in capital letters. It's break streaming it, that's screaming, yeah,
Speaker 3: breaking news. It says, can you confirm or deny? This
Speaker 3: is to me that during those disco years way back,
Speaker 3: did you ever own and wear a pair of flares? Well,
Speaker 3: the answer is yes, and not only that, but I
Speaker 3: had a pair of platform shoes as well.
Speaker 7: But you got to tell them the color purple.
Speaker 3: How bad was that?
Speaker 7: It's pretty bad. But we're talking about clothes, you know,
Speaker 7: and I just reckon staying alone by the Beg's was
Speaker 7: such a big song because of what those guys wore
Speaker 7: and we are. I remember we had floored a ceiling
Speaker 7: screen in one of the discothechts I used to go to,
Speaker 7: and we'd all we'd be dancing and then they'd come
Speaker 7: up and we're just sort of standing here with her
Speaker 7: arms crossed, proving at the border truth of a matter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, that's all right, it was I. I'll come
Speaker 3: back to that because I don't want to wate store.
Speaker 3: I get about five minutes, so I want to make
Speaker 3: sure we get through. Tell us about the tour, tell
Speaker 3: us about Casey, how it came about where you're going.
Speaker 7: Sure, So I'm Casey Donovan actually won Austraian Idol, and
Speaker 7: Casey Donovan remains one of the nicest kids I've mat
Speaker 7: not a kid, she's a woman, but she's just a
Speaker 7: solid human being and I'm looking forward to singing with her.
Speaker 7: I'm looking forward to working with We did a song
Speaker 7: on Idol just recently. She's just a solid human being,
Speaker 7: you know, and she's a very gifted girl. And yeah,
Speaker 7: it's gonna be fun. It's gonna be We're gonna do Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide,
Speaker 7: Brisbane and Perth, so should should be.
Speaker 3: And the full Summer song book most of.
Speaker 7: It, not the full one, the ones that everybody knows,
Speaker 7: because it's funny because I'm studying now, and I'm studying
Speaker 7: and there's so many songs. So I say to my
Speaker 7: Google thing, play a Donna Summers station and some of
Speaker 7: the songs I've never heard of in my life before
Speaker 7: I go on, I have a puppy. I have a
Speaker 7: new puppy and he's just about seven or maybe about
Speaker 7: four months four and a half months old. His name
Speaker 7: is Brother.
Speaker 4: R A t h A.
Speaker 7: And because I have a cat called Sister s I
Speaker 7: s t EH. Anyway, I leave the radio on for them,
Speaker 7: and I listened to g B and Hi, guys, I
Speaker 7: wish I had a camera. That's me.
Speaker 3: They'll be happy that mom's listening.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3: Are you going to sing? Heaven knows? Steve requested, there
Speaker 3: you go, Steve, that's good and look, I want to
Speaker 3: get back to the sampling and the reason why I
Speaker 3: brought that up and the remix of you right, is
Speaker 3: that despite the fact that people you know might sniff
Speaker 3: a disco, the seventies and eighties was a hub of
Speaker 3: amazing music, amazing songwriting and music mentioned Jimmy Wab of
Speaker 3: course there are many others. We had a little celebration
Speaker 3: of Paul McCartney today because it turned eighty three. Now.
Speaker 3: It was such a high standard and I am still
Speaker 3: I admit I'm still digging back into the seventies to
Speaker 3: find stuff that I didn't even have time to listen
Speaker 3: to Marshall.
Speaker 7: But that's that's a great thing about growing older. You
Speaker 7: have now you're busy bringing up a family and making
Speaker 7: a career for yourself, and now you can and that's
Speaker 7: the greatest thing. You know, music. I was saying to
Speaker 7: the girls out outside about music. And just like we have,
Speaker 7: our nose have got a memory, Our noses have got
Speaker 7: a memory of smell. I think our ears have got
Speaker 7: an incredible library of sounds. And I remember most songs
Speaker 7: I hear. I know where I was, I know what
Speaker 7: I was doing, and I think that's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 7: It's a large part of the tapestry of our lives music.
Speaker 3: And you had such a great array of songs as
Speaker 3: well as the stuff you write yourself and what inspired
Speaker 3: you to write back then, And I think Sting put
Speaker 3: it well in an interview. We both know, oh what, Yeah,
Speaker 3: he did some good stuff, there's no doubt about that.
Speaker 3: But he made a comment in an interview with Rick
Speaker 3: Piarto on YouTube. He does a music channel on YouTube,
Speaker 3: and he said, I want a song to surprise me.
Speaker 3: In other words, when you're listening to it, you go
Speaker 3: at some stage, oh wow, I didn't know that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I didn't know that was on whether it's an instrument
Speaker 3: or a part of the melody, the hook, it's just
Speaker 3: and there was so much of that back then.
Speaker 7: But also, you know, when I hear a song or
Speaker 7: if I sing, and I like working with other singers
Speaker 7: because they'll sing something so totally different to the way
Speaker 7: I would interpret it. And that's why I'm looking forward
Speaker 7: to working with Casey.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that'll be and you're going to do mixture
Speaker 3: of jewets and other stuff.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, we'll be there for the whole two hours or whatever,
Speaker 7: and we'll have a full band and we'll have singers
Speaker 7: and horn players should be wonderful.
Speaker 3: And that was the other thing too that I mentioned
Speaker 3: to my son in that little conversation about remixes and
Speaker 3: stuff and sampling, is the harmonies in those days were amazing.
Speaker 3: I think people just took them for granted.
Speaker 7: Well you think the total yes, yep, tennsec Doobie Brothers.
Speaker 3: It goes on and on. A lot of that was
Speaker 3: down to Ham. It doesn't matter what kind of music
Speaker 3: it is. Have Have you gone back to Idol for
Speaker 3: next year? Is that gonna have again?
Speaker 7: I'm blessed. I'm doing Idle again and it's the most
Speaker 7: enjoyable show. And I was saying to somebody today, the
Speaker 7: thing is I came here at sixteen. Please everybody remember this.
Speaker 7: I was a kid and that was a pain. And
Speaker 7: I'm very inquisitive by nature. And all I ever did
Speaker 7: was ask people like Regg Livermore and John Waters, how
Speaker 7: do you do that? If I were to do that,
Speaker 7: blah blah blah. And they never closed their dressing room
Speaker 7: door on me. They never said, Masha, go away, you
Speaker 7: being a pain. They always fed me with the information
Speaker 7: I needed. And that's what you see me doing to
Speaker 7: the kids on idol, Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 7: I think kindness breeds kindness and you know, and it's
Speaker 7: my pleasure to work with the kids. And there's such
Speaker 7: game individuals. I don't know if I would have done it.
Speaker 7: I don't know, but I don't do hypothetical thinking. But
Speaker 7: I don't know if I would have done it.
Speaker 3: It's uh, I think you would have. But it's a
Speaker 3: small market here. But there's so much talent, isn't there.
Speaker 7: Okay, So my soapbox, so my soapboxes. If only as
Speaker 7: took music as seriously as they take sport, nobody in
Speaker 7: the world could touch us because it's just so eclectic.
Speaker 7: We've got such fine musicians in this country, just so cool,
Speaker 7: and they're allowed to be themselves because we're so far
Speaker 7: away news I'll say Australian and New Zealand. You know,
Speaker 7: there's some great musicians. The combination of the two countries
Speaker 7: is outstanding.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I love jazz and I feel for the very
Speaker 3: talented jazz musicians here that just really don't have a market.
Speaker 3: They have to leave. Marsha, we're out of time. Gee,
Speaker 3: that went quickly for me. I hope it did for you.
Speaker 3: Listening to us. Marsha Heines has been wonderful.
Speaker 7: To catch up and I want to thank everybody onto
Speaker 7: GB because you guys keep me company. Basically twenty four
Speaker 7: to seven, I find out my news and all that
Speaker 7: sort of stuff and thanks well.
Speaker 3: Whether it's me or Michael or anyone, we'll definitely get
Speaker 3: my love to Michael.
Speaker 7: My love to Michael.
Speaker 3: We'll pass it on. I think he might be listening.
Speaker 3: We'll find out later on Thank you, Marsha god blass.
Speaker 3: Lots more texts have come in about Marcia Hines. We'll
Speaker 3: get back to the text line on that in a
Speaker 3: few minutes time. I've got the news coming up. Then
Speaker 3: we'll talk to Jim Haynes. Yes, he's back the Historian
Speaker 3: to do Sydney Side as his regular segment on the
Speaker 3: Michael McLaren Show. That's coming up after the.
Speaker 1: News now onto GB and network stations. He'm back to
Speaker 1: afternoons with Bill Woods filling.
Speaker 8: In from Michael McLaren.
Speaker 3: I hope you're having a wonderful afternoon. Thank you very
Speaker 3: much for joining us this afternoon. Hope you're well too,
Speaker 3: and we've had a lot of great feedback today. It's
Speaker 3: a very interesting commentary and particularly on what you may
Speaker 3: have heard in the news about the official New South
Speaker 3: Wales statistics from the view of crime statistics and research
Speaker 3: on the level of youth crime and the interesting theories
Speaker 3: as to why they're not as bad as we all
Speaker 3: thought that'd be. And a couple of those do certainly
Speaker 3: hold up from police officers who texted in saying, well,
Speaker 3: these kids aren't getting registered because they're not even getting
Speaker 3: arrested in a lot of cases. I thought that was
Speaker 3: very interesting feedback, and I regret not pursuing that though
Speaker 3: I suspect that Jackie Fitzgerald, the executive director we spoke to,
Speaker 3: would not even know about those sorts of things not
Speaker 3: being part of the statistics that are presented to her.
Speaker 3: And another theory was that a lot of people are
Speaker 3: basically giving up on youth crime in that they're not
Speaker 3: even reporting it in the first place. So there you
Speaker 3: go a couple of interesting theories borne out by people
Speaker 3: who claim to be on the ground and know these things.
Speaker 3: So fair enough, thank you for that. It's been very enlightening.
Speaker 3: You may be equally skeptical when we talk later in
Speaker 3: this hour about how much CEOs are being paid. Some
Speaker 3: research came out about that today, so we'll get onto
Speaker 3: that as well in the short term, just quickly. So
Speaker 3: a lot of great texts about Marsha Hines and our
Speaker 3: chat with her. Thank you for all the feedback on that,
Speaker 3: and a couple of specific ones from Leanne. Music really
Speaker 3: does bring so much emotion. I've been listening to Toto lately.
Speaker 3: Boy am I appreciating the incredible songs they had. Miss
Speaker 3: Hines simply, says Cameron, and someone who met Marsha on
Speaker 3: a plane quite as flight sat next to her. She
Speaker 3: said she was delightful, chattered all the way and I
Speaker 3: felt special and told everyone I met her for years.
Speaker 3: So a lot of anticipation for her summer tour. Right now,
Speaker 3: at nine past two, let's get into ale bit of
Speaker 3: Sydney history.
Speaker 14: There were history makers, frauds and fakers, ladies and renowned
Speaker 14: good ones, bad ones. Quite a few bad ones lived
Speaker 14: in Sydney Town. There were fascinating characters, convicts, Parrister's servants
Speaker 14: of them around Conman, strong men, all the wrong men.
Speaker 14: There's a ton of them, and every.
Speaker 2: One of them lived in Sydneytown. Now on Afternoons Sydney
Speaker 2: with Jim Haynes.
Speaker 3: Yes, and feel free to call up too if Jim
Speaker 3: prompts any wonderful memories. Good to catch up with you, mate.
Speaker 14: Yes, nice to see you again. And I did hear
Speaker 14: your comment about being excited about Marsha coming in and
Speaker 14: not quite so excited about I perfectly.
Speaker 3: Stand forgive me, forgive me particularly Sorry that was just
Speaker 3: say you and I were reminiscent Sturre in the news.
Speaker 3: It's about being pulled up and cautioned by a listener
Speaker 3: for giggling too much on air one day.
Speaker 14: Yeah, so we think she might be the listener who
Speaker 14: complains a lot. But never mind, we were giggling. I
Speaker 14: know that was very funny, Bill, Yes, we thought it was. Anyway. Look,
Speaker 14: today I was thinking I'm coming in, I'm listening to Marsha.
Speaker 14: You know, last week we spoke about this amazing Aura
Speaker 14: woman who has been Along's third wife Boo wrong. And
Speaker 14: we've had some incredible, colorful characters. So and I'm afraid
Speaker 14: today's Sydney Sider is you know, he's maybe not, but
Speaker 14: by g he's one of those blokes who makes me
Speaker 14: feel tired. And you see in the notes that I've done,
Speaker 14: I've split I've split him up into all of His
Speaker 14: name was Sir Charles Kinkaid Kinnaird, sorry, so Charles Kinnaird mckella.
Speaker 14: And he lived from eighteen forty four to nineteen twenty six.
Speaker 14: Now there's a few surprises I'm going to save up
Speaker 14: to the end. But he was a physician, a politician,
Speaker 14: a businessman and a social reformer. And any one of
Speaker 14: these careers or interests that he had would have taken
Speaker 14: a normal person a lifetime's energy.
Speaker 8: But there are people like this Bill.
Speaker 14: You look at what they've done and how they affected
Speaker 14: And of course this guy did so much for the
Speaker 14: city of Sydney. He was a true Sydney sider. We'll
Speaker 14: look at that in a second. But what he did
Speaker 14: to change this city is just remarkable. And yet he
Speaker 14: comes across as a fairly sort of I don't know,
Speaker 14: I dare dan say, you know, a boring life, but
Speaker 14: it certainly was not. So let's get started. He was
Speaker 14: born in Sydney in eighteen forty four. He was the
Speaker 14: only son of fred Rick McKellar. Now he was the
Speaker 14: first He was a pioneer physician and he was actually
Speaker 14: the first, one of the first doctors at the Sydney
Speaker 14: Hospital way back when it was called the Dispensary, you know.
Speaker 14: So he was a pioneer himself. And Charles's mum was
Speaker 14: Isabella and she was a Robertson and because she was
Speaker 14: a widow, and she was a widow of an amazing
Speaker 14: person who we could talk about named William Garvey. So
Speaker 14: there were pioneer families all through this family tree, and
Speaker 14: mostly Scottish. The Scots came out here and did very well.
Speaker 14: The Irish came out here and drank a lot.
Speaker 3: So I'm glad to said that because I'm a Scottish mostly.
Speaker 8: Well so is my wife.
Speaker 14: So I've got to say that whatever we talk about
Speaker 14: anything Scottish, it has to be they were wonderful. Now
Speaker 14: let's get back to Charles anyway, eighteen forty four, so
Speaker 14: he's educated at Sydney Grammar. Sydney and Sydney Grammar was
Speaker 14: up and running, you know when he was a kid
Speaker 14: that was it as prestigious, but it would have been
Speaker 14: not only prestigious, but they're probably one of only two
Speaker 14: or three schools that you know, where you could go
Speaker 14: to high school. His family moved for a while when
Speaker 14: he was a teenager just left school up to Port mcquarie.
Speaker 14: So they had property, and they had a lot of property,
Speaker 14: and later on we'll find out he married into more property.
Speaker 14: So you know, he wasn't exactly you know, working class land.
Speaker 14: But off he goes up to Port mcquarie and there
Speaker 14: he learned about, you know, living on the land and
Speaker 14: he became a pioneer pastoralist in his own right, owned
Speaker 14: a lot of rural property. But he then goes off
Speaker 14: to Scotland and he gets his degree in medicine at
Speaker 14: Glasgow Universe Glasgow, and this was a common thing. I
Speaker 14: know a number of other pioneer Scottish people, including the
Speaker 14: poet Charles Souter, they did the same. They went back
Speaker 14: to Scotland to be educated, then came back to Australia.
Speaker 8: So he's back in Sydney. He's registered with.
Speaker 14: The Medical Board of New South Wales in eighteen seventy
Speaker 14: five and he becomes honorary surgeon at the Sydney Infirmary
Speaker 14: and Dispensary.
Speaker 8: Which was later the Sydney Hospital.
Speaker 14: That's the one that was built for Macquarie. The Rum
Speaker 14: Hospital merchant said we'll build it for free if you
Speaker 14: give us the monopoly on Rum and it was called
Speaker 14: the Rum Hospital for a long time.
Speaker 3: But that's a deal.
Speaker 8: It was quite a good deal too.
Speaker 14: And there's there are two sections of it left of
Speaker 14: that original Rum Hospital that was built in Governor Macquarie's
Speaker 14: time for the franchise on Rum by these three merchants.
Speaker 14: And one bit got knocked down. The main bit in
Speaker 14: the middle got knocked down. That's Sydney Hospital now. The
Speaker 14: one on the southern end is now a museum. That
Speaker 14: was the old Mint and it was the first mint
Speaker 14: in the world outside of Britain that was entitled to
Speaker 14: mint British coins. That's the Mint and it's a museum now.
Speaker 14: The other one up north that's still there, and I
Speaker 14: think that might have been and I shouldn't I shouldn't
Speaker 14: say this, but I think that might have been where
Speaker 14: the not so mentally stable people were, because it's.
Speaker 8: Now Parliament House. Of course, that's.
Speaker 14: Where the new Southwest Government is. Anyway, he was the
Speaker 14: medical officer there and he was his father had been
Speaker 14: the first salaried medical officer in that hospital, and he
Speaker 14: then went on to be stationed there and he did
Speaker 14: a lot of work with doctor Roberts and he always said,
Speaker 14: you know, later on when we get to his career,
Speaker 14: if we ever do. He credited doctor Roberts with being
Speaker 14: his mentor. And he was the bloke in charge of
Speaker 14: the hospital. And in eighteen seventy seven he married, so
Speaker 14: he would have been thirty two or thirty three. He
Speaker 14: married Marion and she was the daughter of Thomas Buckland.
Speaker 14: And Thomas Buckland is a guy we should talk about
Speaker 14: because he was a huge pioneer in pastoral Australia and
Speaker 14: also in Sydney. He was the man who changed the
Speaker 14: Botany swamps into massive industry for the wool washing and
Speaker 14: all that sort of stuff. And people might not know this,
Speaker 14: but from where south Dowling Street and around Cleveland Street
Speaker 14: all there out to Botany Bay was swamp and that's
Speaker 14: where a lot of.
Speaker 8: The factories were.
Speaker 14: And this bloke at Thomas Buckland, he became very rich.
Speaker 14: He owned a lot of that land.
Speaker 8: So we've got we've got a lot of.
Speaker 14: Connections here, you know, with pastoral families, wealthy people and
Speaker 14: particularly Scottish people. So let's have a look at his
Speaker 14: medical career. This would have been enough for most people.
Speaker 14: He joined the board and set up they set up
Speaker 14: a board in eighteen eighty one because there was a
Speaker 14: small pox breakout.
Speaker 8: They set up a board.
Speaker 14: To combat the small pox epidemic in New South Wales.
Speaker 14: And it's sometimes called the first serious smallpox epidemic in
Speaker 14: New South Wales, which of course is not true. The
Speaker 14: first one was eighteen months after the first fleet arrived
Speaker 14: and it wiped out seventy percent of the Aora people,
Speaker 14: the Aboriginal people of the Sydney basin. So you know,
Speaker 14: I've seen that quote a few times. You know, this
Speaker 14: was the first bit, wasn't The first? Sadly serious smallpox
Speaker 14: epidemic was way back in seventeen eighty nine, but never mind,
Speaker 14: there was a serious one.
Speaker 8: And he was on the board.
Speaker 14: And he became the government medical Advisor and Health Officer
Speaker 14: for Port Jackson, which meant he was chairman of the
Speaker 14: immigration board. I'm starting to tick these off and we'll
Speaker 14: make a list. And he was the official visitor to
Speaker 14: hospitals for the insane at Gladesville and Paramatta. So you know,
Speaker 14: he's already got all these jobs. I won't go through
Speaker 14: them again, but there are plenty of them. He was
Speaker 14: also hang on, there's more. He was also the ex
Speaker 14: officio Emigration officer for Port Jackson. He was a member
Speaker 14: of the Board of Pharmacy, and he was a member
Speaker 14: of the Medical Board, and he campaigned for a federal
Speaker 14: quarantine system and was appointed president of the Board of Health.
Speaker 14: Now he's only a young man. I don't know how
Speaker 14: he's managed. He's got so many hats.
Speaker 3: Was this all served concurrently from one of the other?
Speaker 8: No, this is all you know.
Speaker 14: In those days, if you've got a competent man who
Speaker 14: was you know, had half a brain, then you gave
Speaker 14: him all.
Speaker 8: The jobs, all the jobs you could fight.
Speaker 14: So he did always say that he got a lot
Speaker 14: of advice from his mentor, that was doctor Roberts, And
Speaker 14: he said, this is a quote.
Speaker 3: He was a.
Speaker 14: Modest man, he said. It is rather that I doggedly
Speaker 14: and persistently followed his lines and advice. Then I formulated
Speaker 14: original schemes of my own. But the family motto, he
Speaker 14: pointed out to us, the mckella family motto is perserverando,
Speaker 14: which means I guess, hang in there Latin severe, And
Speaker 14: he certainly did.
Speaker 8: That's his medical career. Are you tired yet? We'll go
Speaker 8: on now to his political career.
Speaker 3: Oh right, okay.
Speaker 14: In eighteen eighty five he resigned his official appointments medical
Speaker 14: ones and was nominated to the Legislative Council to promote
Speaker 14: public health legislation, and he helped draft parliamentary bills to
Speaker 14: do with See, he'd done all that other medical stuff,
Speaker 14: and they said, this bloke, he's god, he's you know,
Speaker 14: he knows.
Speaker 8: What's going on.
Speaker 14: So he got him on the Legislative Council in Parliament
Speaker 14: and then they said, well, you know, now you draft
Speaker 14: the legislation that we need. So he's doing that. He
Speaker 14: was a member of the Board of Health until one
Speaker 14: year before his death in nineteen twenty five, so right
Speaker 14: through almost until his death he was Vice President and
Speaker 14: executive on the Executive Council. He was Secretary for Mines. Now,
Speaker 14: somehow mines were lobbed in with health, health.
Speaker 3: And all that.
Speaker 14: I guess that makes sense. So he's a Minister for mines.
Speaker 14: He's got all these other jobs and he remained on
Speaker 14: the Board of Health Council his entire life. He introduced
Speaker 14: the Dairies Supervision Act of eighteen eighty six. Now you'd
Speaker 14: know what that was all about, Bill Dairy Supervision Act
Speaker 14: to have.
Speaker 3: To do with milking cows.
Speaker 8: Not much. It actually had to do with.
Speaker 14: A child mortality. Oh there was this huge problem where
Speaker 14: the dairies being not being regulated and of course all
Speaker 14: the kids being given milk, and there was you know,
Speaker 14: we know there was terrific infant mortality in those days.
Speaker 14: So he set up this Dairy's Supervision Act and you know,
Speaker 14: it stopped or it had a big effect on improving
Speaker 14: infant mortality. He was appointed to the when we became
Speaker 14: a nation and there was an Australian government. Someone said
Speaker 14: this blokes terrific, you know, and they grabbed him put
Speaker 14: him in the Senate of the Commonwealth of Australia. But
Speaker 14: he was too involved in New South Wales so that
Speaker 14: didn't last very long. He was back now go again.
Speaker 14: He was a member of the State Children Relief Board.
Speaker 14: He was a president of the Neglected Children and Juvenile
Speaker 14: Offenders and he passed One of his other pieces of
Speaker 14: legislation was to do with how you treated juvenile offenders.
Speaker 14: This is interesting, we've just been talking about that, but
Speaker 14: in those days there was nothing, there was no legislation,
Speaker 14: and I guess they were treated as adults. I'm not
Speaker 14: exactly sure, but This created children's courts and a probationary system.
Speaker 14: And he wrote this huge report which was published as
Speaker 14: a book, and it was called the Treatment of Neglected
Speaker 14: and Delinquent Children in Great Britain, Europe and America and Australia.
Speaker 8: No doubt, well it was.
Speaker 3: You know, he must have gathered other people's data for that.
Speaker 3: Surely he would have had time to go to all
Speaker 3: those places. Well, he did.
Speaker 14: Travel quite a lot, but I'm tired already. Anyways, he
Speaker 14: was admired mostly. He never aligned himself with a political party,
Speaker 14: and so Joseph Banks did this too, And Joseph Banks said,
Speaker 14: and I'm sure you know Charles mckella thought the same.
Speaker 14: The minute I align myself with one party, I've lost
Speaker 14: half of my friends and my contacts and my influence.
Speaker 14: So he never did. He always stayed away from party politics.
Speaker 14: He was knighted in nineteen twelve, and then he was
Speaker 14: given a KCMG in nineteen sixteen. That's not a car,
Speaker 14: by the way, it's another knighthood, a KCMG. I think
Speaker 14: I know, I won't even try to remember what it means. Anyway,
Speaker 14: that's his political career.
Speaker 8: Would you like to know about his business life very quickly.
Speaker 3: I know we're running out of time. Maynard's coming in
Speaker 3: shortly for a chat.
Speaker 8: I know I wouldn't want to get in the way
Speaker 8: of Clinton.
Speaker 14: But he succeeded his father in law as director of
Speaker 14: the Bank of New South Wales. He was chairman of
Speaker 14: the Gloucester es State Company, Mutual and Citizens Life Assurance,
Speaker 14: pitt Son and Badgery, the Union Trustee of Australia, the
Speaker 14: United Insurance Company of Australia, the Royal Insurance Company, Colonial
Speaker 14: Sugar Refining, Australian Widows Fund, Equitable Life a Company, and
Speaker 14: lots of other things. He also did volunteer work. How
Speaker 14: does he get the time. He was the volunteer surgeon
Speaker 14: for the Volunteer Rifles New South walest Rifles, Chairman of
Speaker 14: the Medical Board of the Royal Society. He was founding
Speaker 14: Counselor of the New South Wales branch of the Medical
Speaker 14: British Medical Association. He was the Examiner at Medicine for
Speaker 14: Sydney University, Vice president and President of the Amateur Orchestral Society.
Speaker 14: So he's also putting giving money in philanthropy and charity
Speaker 14: and working, as I know you do a lot of
Speaker 14: charity work, and he was doing it for the orchestra.
Speaker 14: He was a present vice president of the Raw Society
Speaker 14: and for the Welfare of Mothers and Babies and a
Speaker 14: member of the Australian and Athenaeum Clubs. So you know,
Speaker 14: I mean this bloke. You'd pass him in the street
Speaker 14: and we don't remember him for being flamboyant or anything
Speaker 14: like that. But what a life. And the last thing,
Speaker 14: and I've saved this to last. He had three sons,
Speaker 14: one of whom died in the Boar War, and one daughter.
Speaker 14: And his daughter was Dorothea mckellor. She wrote, I love
Speaker 14: a sunburned country, your land of sweeping planes. I would
Speaker 14: go on, but I know that class waiting.
Speaker 3: So that's where it all led.
Speaker 14: Yeah, And they're buried together at Waverley Cemetery right down
Speaker 14: near the front and you can find there's a you know,
Speaker 14: a little enclosure and Dorothy is there, so is her father,
Speaker 14: and the family all buried. You can visit them at
Speaker 14: Waverley Cemetery.
Speaker 3: Wow, what a legacy. Famous but not famous, but still amazingly.
Speaker 8: Where did you get the energy?
Speaker 3: You know, probably slept about three hours a night. Well,
Speaker 3: some of those people that.
Speaker 14: Yeah, he was the energizer Bunny of Sydney and we
Speaker 14: owe him an awful lot.
Speaker 3: Sounds like it, Jim Hayes. Great to catch up again, mate, Thank.
Speaker 8: You my pleasure.
Speaker 2: It's that time of the afternoon.
Speaker 1: Time to find out what's coming up on Sydney now for.
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Speaker 3: In half an hour of his Sydney now right now.
Speaker 3: It's Sydney soon enough. See what I did there, Clinton Maynard,
Speaker 3: very clever, Bill, not that amused though.
Speaker 11: I know I've been laughing throughout your program, particularly laughing
Speaker 11: with the comparisons between Volvos and Tesla's being the modern
Speaker 11: day version of Volvo, which I.
Speaker 3: Have to say I'm a Subaru ambassador as we continue
Speaker 3: this conversation.
Speaker 11: That's just those are important, very good cars that they are. Yes,
Speaker 11: the comparison I think is actually quite accurate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you so you reckon that spot on? I
Speaker 3: think yeah, I think it is.
Speaker 11: And I was driving the traffic the other day and
Speaker 11: pointed out of valve out of my son, my fourteen
Speaker 11: year old become quite a karna, and he's become really
Speaker 11: interested in nineteen eighties cars. For some reason, he's collecting
Speaker 11: hot wheel bottles of nineteen eighties Japanese cars. Mostly they
Speaker 11: still make hot wheels. Oh, it's massive at the moment.
Speaker 11: It's actually there are people who now will go to
Speaker 11: Big w or the retailers. They will scourage through the
Speaker 11: bins looking for Ferraris. Honestly, if you try to find
Speaker 11: yourself a hot wheels Ferrari at the moment, put it
Speaker 11: up on eBay, you'll make yourself a fur small fortune
Speaker 11: because you can't find any because someone's going around Sydney
Speaker 11: going through all the toy departments or retailers to buy
Speaker 11: up every single Ferrari hot wheels current existence, and they're
Speaker 11: then reselling them on the internet for a fortune.
Speaker 3: Won't find them. What about match Box toys?
Speaker 11: Well, interestingly, I didn't realize this until my son and
Speaker 11: fall me. Matchbox and hop Wheels run by the same
Speaker 11: company these days.
Speaker 3: Oh ok, so there were rivals for years. Yeah, Leslie
Speaker 3: made Matchbox cars.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's their own by Mantel these days. But then
Speaker 11: I was explaining different car issues and we drove past
Speaker 11: a Volvo and I actually pointed out, oh, back in
Speaker 11: the nineteen eighties, yeah, Volvo drivers were the scourge of Sydneys.
Speaker 11: I had to explain it, but I thought, you know what,
Speaker 11: in this day and age, they're getting a bit of
Speaker 11: a bad rap because one of the most successful motor
Speaker 11: racing drivers of the era in our country, he's a
Speaker 11: key we is Scott McLaughlin. Yes, Scott mcglocklan is now
Speaker 11: an Indy car driver in the United States, very very successful.
Speaker 11: He made his name in supercars, as you well know
Speaker 11: as it form a commentator driving a Volvo.
Speaker 3: Yes, and prior to that, prior to that, back in
Speaker 3: the day, Johnny Bow drove Volvos. I think do you recall.
Speaker 11: There was a year in the Australian Touring Car Championship
Speaker 11: would have been maybe the early nineties, late eighties.
Speaker 3: Yes, Volvo's station wagon was actually driving or they caught
Speaker 3: it the estate. At one stage they had Alan Moffatt
Speaker 3: drove a Mazda.
Speaker 11: Well you had a whole range of ca Alanmoft was
Speaker 11: a ford Man throughout the seventies, but he then drove
Speaker 11: and I know this is earned one seven few years.
Speaker 3: It was very successful anyway.
Speaker 11: Yeah, sorry, were Well, I'm going to talk about a
Speaker 11: EV's on my profile right, We're going to talk about
Speaker 11: EV taxes because if you're driving a EV, good luck
Speaker 11: to you. You're not paying excise.
Speaker 6: Ye.
Speaker 11: Well, Jim Charmers has now said I think we're gonna
Speaker 11: have to change this situation. There's been some issues in
Speaker 11: Victoria over the past few years because there was a
Speaker 11: challenge to their EV tax that went on the way
Speaker 11: to the High Court. So it's really difficult for regulators.
Speaker 11: But let's be honest, it's not fair on the rest
Speaker 11: of the driving population that we're paying such big excises
Speaker 11: but those driving an electric vehicle don't.
Speaker 3: So we're going to have a look at that.
Speaker 11: On the program. Also, i'll be talking to an evacuee
Speaker 11: who has left Israel and has just touched down in
Speaker 11: Australia after there's something like three thousand people have now
Speaker 11: registered to either evacuate from Israel or Iran, and I
Speaker 11: know there's an issue about whether Australian government should be
Speaker 11: actually assisting or whether these people knew they were traveling
Speaker 11: to Israel in the Middle East. In the middle of well,
Speaker 11: there's been the Gaza conflict of force. But I'll be
Speaker 11: talking to an Aussie who's just arrived home on the
Speaker 11: program this afternoon. My straight shooter for a Thursday afternoon
Speaker 11: is David Elliott.
Speaker 3: Former MP. He's always interesting.
Speaker 11: He's going to give you an insight about what's going
Speaker 11: to happen in Parliament House in the.
Speaker 3: Next twenty four hours.
Speaker 11: Okay, as we've been following this week, there's some dramas
Speaker 11: in the Upper House with the threat to literally arrest
Speaker 11: some of the staffers from Chris Min's office. So I'll
Speaker 11: speak to day about whether this is actually possible, whether
Speaker 11: it's legally possible, and if I can find a good reason.
Speaker 8: I do have a reason.
Speaker 11: If there's some time I may be playing some Bruce
Speaker 11: Springsteen later in the program.
Speaker 3: There's always a good reason for that.
Speaker 11: There is a very good reason. You'll have to keep
Speaker 11: listening to find out why. And I'll be spitting the winter.
Speaker 3: Wheel, of course we will. I'm going to do that
Speaker 3: too in the next twenty five minutes. So thank you
Speaker 3: for reminding me. Clinton Maynard, He'll be back short. He
Speaker 3: was Sydney now and apologies for the late Hello.
Speaker 12: Aaron Marsin non essential staff at the US embassy in
Speaker 12: Israel are being evacuated as US President Donald Trump considers
Speaker 12: getting involved in the conflict between Israel and Iran. The
Speaker 12: state government is developing a framework which, rather than paying levies,
Speaker 12: would see property developers help to build infrastructure like schools
Speaker 12: and roads under a work in kind agreement. A twenty
Speaker 12: seven year old man has been charged after an allegedly
Speaker 12: stolen land cruiser was driven through a shopping center in Melbourne.
Speaker 12: Please say they found an electronic key reprogramming tool during
Speaker 12: the arrest. And a test of one of Elon Musk's
Speaker 12: starships has ended in another massive explosion and fireball in Texas.
Speaker 12: In Sport, Blues halfback Nathan Cleary has admitted he took
Speaker 12: a groin injury unto last night's origin loss to the Morons.
Speaker 12: Cleary suffered the injury during the team's final training session,
Speaker 12: just twenty four hours before kickoff. And there'll be more
Speaker 12: news at three.
Speaker 2: O'clock on afternoons.
Speaker 1: A finance update for Pretzel Wealth and finance for Trusted
Speaker 1: Financial Planning Just Google Blake went to Pretzel.
Speaker 15: Yes.
Speaker 3: Scott Phillips from the Motley Fool fool dot com dot
Speaker 3: au joins US now to talk finance. Hello mate, Bill.
Speaker 13: Good afternoon. But I've got I say you inclined took
Speaker 13: me back. I'm thinking about Pty Longhurst in the BMW
Speaker 13: or Yes Johnson the Ford Sierra. That was a time,
Speaker 13: wasn't it.
Speaker 3: It was? It was a real sweet spot in touring
Speaker 3: car racing when a lot of the different makes for
Speaker 3: different reasons, were competitive because they were they were good
Speaker 3: in certain parts of the track, not all on the
Speaker 3: same part of the track, so they're overtaking each other
Speaker 3: off and it was quite amazing and they haven't quite
Speaker 3: found that since. But now unemployment data out today a
Speaker 3: bit of skepticism from people listening in on this one.
Speaker 3: What are the numbers telling us? Mate?
Speaker 13: So the good news is that the mployment rate remains
Speaker 13: very low at four point one percent. Now it's not
Speaker 13: as low as it was during kind of the best
Speaker 13: of times and also the worst of times during COVID,
Speaker 13: when plenty of government support had everyone who wanted a
Speaker 13: job almost everyone, but four point one percent as the
Speaker 13: lowest it's consistently been for the best part of forty years.
Speaker 13: So really really good news there. It is the one
Speaker 13: or the brightest spot anyway, across the economy and other
Speaker 13: things are maybe softening off just to touch, so pretty
Speaker 13: happy to see that, quite honestly good news. Also, we
Speaker 13: didn't lose too many jobs. We lost two and a
Speaker 13: half thousand jobs. That's out of a workforce of fourteen million,
Speaker 13: six hundred and twenty thousand, so that's pretty good. Fourteen
Speaker 13: number of unemployed people did what it did actually fourcuse
Speaker 13: people left the labor force, and the participation rate, which
Speaker 13: is the percentage of us in work or looking for work,
Speaker 13: decreased from sixty seven point one to sixty seven percent. Overall,
Speaker 13: monthly hours worked also increased by about twenty five million hours,
Speaker 13: or one point three percent, so net a pretty good
Speaker 13: result best you could probably hope for in the circumstances.
Speaker 13: We can always want lower unemployment, but it seems pretty
Speaker 13: stubbornly high at that level at least won't go much lower.
Speaker 13: I don't think permanently. Good news that hasn't increased, given
Speaker 13: we've had some soft retail staless number soft GDP as well.
Speaker 13: But good news is the most stroners who want a
Speaker 13: job can find one. The underemployment rate also fell only
Speaker 13: a touch, but from six to five point nine percent,
Speaker 13: meaning a nice round ten percent of us either can't
Speaker 13: get work or can't get as many hours as we want.
Speaker 3: And we had a text earlier someone saying, of course,
Speaker 3: if you had ass sets, you don't count as being unemployed.
Speaker 3: That was an interesting one which I had a vague
Speaker 3: knowledge job, but not totally sure about.
Speaker 13: The unemployment numbers. It's an iffic, got one to change
Speaker 13: the definition a few times. Our reality is if you
Speaker 13: work at least one hour in a fortnight, you're not unemployed.
Speaker 13: So it's tricks to the tail right now. Look, and
Speaker 13: again it's the direction that matters most. The underemployment number
Speaker 13: they are reporting I've just mentioned that's good because they're
Speaker 13: actually including those people then who do fall in that space?
Speaker 13: And yeah, look it's not perfect there, there's no perfect
Speaker 13: way of calculating it. We have to hope the direction
Speaker 13: of the trend is right. And like all these stats,
Speaker 13: there are also approximations. They don't ask every individual person.
Speaker 13: They take a representative sample and try and work it
Speaker 13: out from there. But the trends go in the right direction,
Speaker 13: that's a win. If it's not, that's probably the bigger
Speaker 13: issue of focus on maybe then trying to work out
Speaker 13: the absolute number for its own sake, local markets and
Speaker 13: the dollar. Not a terrible day, the great day. We
Speaker 13: spent all day in the red, but only down by
Speaker 13: a tiny fraction three one hundreds of one percent, so
Speaker 13: we'll call that flat. Eighty seven hundred and fifty five points.
Speaker 13: That's the all ordinaries the audidollar down to touch on
Speaker 13: about tenth of a percent lower, sixty four point eight
Speaker 13: seven usns.
Speaker 3: Scottie Phillips, Thank you so much.
Speaker 13: What's that? Thanks Phil?
Speaker 3: It's twenty two to three. I think we might give
Speaker 3: something away here before we go to the break, and
Speaker 3: we'll give you a chance to have a think about it.
Speaker 3: Here we go.
Speaker 15: Two gvs.
Speaker 2: Winter Wheel.
Speaker 3: Yes, that is your queue to call. Be the first
Speaker 3: caller now on one three hundred seven double two eight
Speaker 3: seven three one three hundred seven double two eight seven
Speaker 3: three for a chance to spin two gvs. Winter Will.
Speaker 3: Yesterday I gave away two and a half grand to
Speaker 3: Scott from Como and he is pretty happy about it.
Speaker 3: I was probably just as happy. But overall this is
Speaker 3: up to forty thousand dollars worth the cash and prizes
Speaker 3: to be one we've got two and a half grand
Speaker 3: up for grabs again today. Also got some Origin tickets,
Speaker 3: some the National Tiles give away contributing to Tiles, DD's
Speaker 3: groups giving away money and we've got lots of cash
Speaker 3: to so we'll take a quick break when we come back.
Speaker 3: We'll take your calls. One three hundred seven double two
Speaker 3: eight seven three. First caller in gets the chance to
Speaker 3: go for a spin with me. Alright, it's seven eight
Speaker 3: to three, win a wheel time. And our caller who
Speaker 3: came through first on that line is Adam from Concord. Gooday, Adam, mate,
Speaker 3: well mate, thank you. I'll do my best. I can't
Speaker 3: promise anything. I just want to remind you I did
Speaker 3: get two and a half grand for our guest yesterday,
Speaker 3: so fingers crossed, but I can go it again. I'm
Speaker 3: going to give it a real rip to mate. I'm
Speaker 3: going to rip this thing really hard and it could
Speaker 3: go for a long time. But let's just see. We
Speaker 3: might even fall off the bench, but not go too hard.
Speaker 3: So stand by, Adam, here we go. Here's the winter Wheel.
Speaker 3: He's your chance. Let's spin it. It's going, it's going,
Speaker 3: it's going, it's going. I did a good job. It's
Speaker 3: still going, it's still going. It's slowing, it's slowing, it's
Speaker 3: stopping on. Oh, seven hundred and fifty dollars, not bad, mate,
Speaker 3: it's not bad.
Speaker 8: Yeah. Happy, that's a lot more than I had five
Speaker 8: minutes ago.
Speaker 3: Bill, good Man, that's the way to look at it.
Speaker 3: I've got to tell you were one short of the
Speaker 3: origin tickets, so I don't know what's more value to you.
Speaker 3: But you know, with seven fifty dollars, I'm sure you
Speaker 3: can still biog that.
Speaker 13: It'll be going to the Minister of Finance here at home.
Speaker 5: Should be looking after that.
Speaker 3: I know, if you like me, you probably won't even
Speaker 3: see it. It'll be so fast getting into her past. Yes,
Speaker 3: that's good on your mate. Stay on the light, Adam,
Speaker 3: well done, well done. He's wonder seven hundred and fifty dollars. Congratulations, Adam.
Speaker 3: That's how win to wheel for today. You'll get another
Speaker 3: chance in Sydney now with Clinton Maynard. Glenn's been waiting
Speaker 3: patiently on the line to talk about who drove Volvos
Speaker 3: in touring car racing back in the day. Hello, mate, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you get a Bill.
Speaker 6: I made the Volvo station work and that was driven
Speaker 6: by Peter Brock.
Speaker 3: Peter Brock did drive Volvos. A lot of people would
Speaker 3: not have remembered that. Yes, I was. I knew Brocky
Speaker 3: very well, and yeah he's after all. And I'll tell
Speaker 3: you what. We've had a lot of texts on this Crichton.
Speaker 3: We've had Robbie Francovic I know he drove a Turbo
Speaker 3: Volvo and Jimmy Richards also drove a Volvo in the
Speaker 3: Australian Touring Car Championship. Jimmy's a wonderful bloke. They didn't
Speaker 3: call him gentleman Jim for nothing. I had great days
Speaker 3: associating with Jim Richards and of course those guys in
Speaker 3: touring cars. Thanks for calling in Gland. It was a
Speaker 3: great memory.
Speaker 5: The championship in eighty six, Yes.
Speaker 3: They did, yes, And I mentioned it was it Robbie
Speaker 3: who who won the championship that year? Was it Robbie Robbie? Yeah?
Speaker 3: And John Bower is his teammate I think in those
Speaker 3: days and actually played a role in that. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: what I was thinking of. Good on your Glenn. Thanks
Speaker 3: for calling in mate, really appreciate it. Great memories of
Speaker 3: Australian touring car racing. Well really it's Australian culture. We're
Speaker 3: going to come back and talk about the culture of
Speaker 3: paying CEOs. There's been a few yarns around today in
Speaker 3: the media about what CEOs are being paid. This is
Speaker 3: data commissioned by the Australian Councilor of Superannuation Investors and
Speaker 3: it's about the take home pay of the country's top
Speaker 3: one hundred CEOs. Now, according to this, they've actually flatlined
Speaker 3: over the last But it depends on what stories you read,
Speaker 3: because some of them have been quite astronomical.
Speaker 10: Ed.
Speaker 3: John's the manager of Stewardship for the Australian Councilor's Superannuation
Speaker 3: Investors and he's on the line.
Speaker 5: Good I Ed, Yeah, Bill, nice to chat to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you. Well. Talk us through what your research
Speaker 3: found with that. Varying reports on this, highlighting different aspects
Speaker 3: of it, but overall, how our CEO is being paid
Speaker 3: more than they have ever been before, or a little less,
Speaker 3: or has it stayed much the same.
Speaker 5: It's actually stayed the same over ten years, which is
Speaker 5: rare when we think about CEO pay and when we
Speaker 5: look at particularly countries like the US or the UK
Speaker 5: where things have really bolted over the past ten years.
Speaker 5: Effectively the numbers that have been flat in our top
Speaker 5: one hundred companies. But bear in mind the average pay
Speaker 5: for an AX one hundred CEO was still fifty five
Speaker 5: times average worker, so it's still a great position to
Speaker 5: be in. But the numbers haven't actually jumped or we
Speaker 5: haven't seen that breakout recent years, which is quite significant.
Speaker 3: The median pay four point one five million, slightly up
Speaker 3: from three point ninety six and twenty fourteen, so not
Speaker 3: a massive amount. But then other wages haven't gone up
Speaker 3: much either.
Speaker 5: Have they No, not at all, And I think it's
Speaker 5: one of those things where things can hold flat, but
Speaker 5: investors and boards need to stay diligent otherwise you could
Speaker 5: see a breakout in their stuff. And that's why we
Speaker 5: again do the research. And while we always encourage large
Speaker 5: investors and super funds, but certainly mum and dad investors
Speaker 5: to watch closely on these issues.
Speaker 3: Well, it does become something that the shareholders are concerned about.
Speaker 3: Before we get onto that fifty five times the paypacket
Speaker 3: of the average worker. That's probably the key statistic, isn't
Speaker 3: it really, Because the actual amount is relative to cost
Speaker 3: of living, et cetera. Et cetera. But how is that
Speaker 3: disparity going well?
Speaker 5: Again, fifty five times still large. Ten years ago it
Speaker 5: was actually seventy one times in Australia, so that's actually
Speaker 5: come down on a relative basis. But again when we
Speaker 5: look at places like the US, there's recent research over
Speaker 5: there that says it's like three hundred and fifty times
Speaker 5: the media and employee. So we've got to really watch
Speaker 5: this carefully.
Speaker 3: Of course, you know, in an aspirational society, you know,
Speaker 3: we all want to get to those levels and be
Speaker 3: able to earn that kind of money. But getting back
Speaker 3: to the point about shareholders, they do get a bit upset,
Speaker 3: don't they, Particularly when a company isn't performing well and
Speaker 3: the CEO is well remunerated, and then you've got the
Speaker 3: golden parachute, which we'll talk about in a minute. So
Speaker 3: these things they are scrutinized, aren't they at that level?
Speaker 5: Oh you spot on Bill, And really I think for
Speaker 5: many people it's a case of value for money. We
Speaker 5: can think of those CEOs of those companies that have
Speaker 5: really delivered over time, but in some cases you see
Speaker 5: big bonuses where again the performance isn't there and things
Speaker 5: have actually gone backwards, and that's where investors get very,
Speaker 5: very concerned.
Speaker 3: Is this sometimes a case of just trying to get
Speaker 3: rid of somebody and pay them whatever it takes.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, when it comes to some of these golden
Speaker 5: parachutes that say yes, And there's often very little detail
Speaker 5: when people step aside, a lot of discussion of spending
Speaker 5: more time with family or spending more time in the garden.
Speaker 5: But I think the big, big concern is, and we
Speaker 5: saw this after the financial crisis, when so many companies
Speaker 5: and people are impacted, that there's something like eighty million
Speaker 5: dollars paid out in these golden parachutes, which was a
Speaker 5: huge hit. Whereas today those numbers have come a long
Speaker 5: way down. And part of that is investors are able
Speaker 5: to vote no on large termination payments and golden parachutes,
Speaker 5: and that's happening more often, which is again a good shift.
Speaker 3: Fair enough to before I let you go, Sorry, we're
Speaker 3: running out of time today. It's been one of those
Speaker 3: kinds of shows. What are the interesting trends did you
Speaker 3: observe in this data?
Speaker 5: Well, I think the big thing and you touched on
Speaker 5: that the golden parachutes teramination pay at lowest level in
Speaker 5: fifteen years. That's significant. The holding flat across the top
Speaker 5: one hundred is significant. And again we think it's that
Speaker 5: activity of investors, so super funds, Mum and Dad investors,
Speaker 5: fund managers actually shining a light on these and also
Speaker 5: voting no when that comes up. And we've also seen,
Speaker 5: you know, really some of the bigger names or the
Speaker 5: bigger numbers do come from offshore companies and particularly US companies,
Speaker 5: and that's something we're going to have to continue to
Speaker 5: watch and certainly watch over the coming reporting season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's shareholders for what it's worth and how many
Speaker 3: we have. Keep the buggers honest as we must do.
Speaker 3: Ed John, thank you very much for your time. Mate.
Speaker 5: Cheers Phil, thank you.
Speaker 3: John's the manager of Stewardship for the Australian Councilor of
Speaker 3: Superannuation Investors. Now we need to get on the track
Speaker 3: of the day because I don't want to stop giving
Speaker 3: stuff away. I kind of enjoy it. Congratulations to Jeff
Speaker 3: from Georgia's Hall. It was our track of the day.
Speaker 3: When a well done Jeff, because he got the answer
Speaker 3: right on this day. In nineteen seventy eight, Field the
Speaker 3: Cat made his US comic strip debut published in forty
Speaker 3: one newspapers, and it was created, of course by Jim Davis,
Speaker 3: who he actually named the cat after his grandfather, who
Speaker 3: was James A. Garfield Davis. By the way, if you
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Speaker 3: Time now to get into Sydney.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 3: It's been wonderful chatting with you for the last couple
Speaker 3: of days. Michael McLaren will be back tomorrow. Stand by
Speaker 3: for Clinton. Maynard by for now.