WEBVTT - 2GB Afternoons - Thursday, June 19th 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:05.800 On two GB and network stations. This is Afternoons with 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:07.240 Bill Woods. 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:09.000 Filling in from Michael McLaren. 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:14.240 Ah, yes, thank you very much for being with us. 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:16.720 Really appreciate that. I hope you will wherever you're listening 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:20.400 to us around the place. Michael will be back tomorrow. 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:22.680 Don't worry if you haven't caught up with that. He's 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:24.720 quite well and he will be back on deck tomorrow. 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:27.680 We've got a classic Michael McLaren's show for you this afternoon. 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:29.440 I hope you'll be able to stick around for all 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:32.080 of it. We'll talk shortly to your land to say, 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:35.279 is is that you Southwales CEO of Saint Vinnie's and 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:37.760 they have the big CEO sleep out tonight which always 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:41.480 generates a lot of publicity for Vinnie's. We thought we'd 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:43.800 catch up with Orlander and John Stanley. By the way, 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:47.960 we'll be broadcasting from that tonight, but we'll find out 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:50.639 just what Saint Vinnie's is up to and how perhaps 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:53.239 their services have had to change over the years, and 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:56.840 whether they're dealing with more people who are in strife 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:00.000 since we've had quite severe issues with cost of life. 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:03.200 By the way, the unemployment figures have come out today. 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:05.960 I'll get to that in just a moment. But yeah, 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:09.120 a lot of people think we're going okay. The indicators 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:11.039 aren't too bad, but there are still many of us 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:13.720 out there doing it tough. So we'll talk to Orlanda 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:17.880 about that in the second half hour. In the midday hour, 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:20.720 we'll be talking to Jackie Fitzgerald, who's the executive director 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:23.640 of New South Wales Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research. 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:28.960 Now I'm having an exploratory conversation with Jackie because it's 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:33.520 pretty alarming when you hear about this horrific alleged gang 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:38.080 rape in Sydney in the last few days, a case 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:40.120 that's been drawn out over a number of months. But 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:45.760 there have been these regional gang attacks all by teenagers 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:49.840 in regional censures, not just in New South Wales but 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:52.160 in other states of Australia as well. But is it 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:56.800 actually getting worse or are we just seeing stories on 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:00.960 the very worst of a still small number of youth offenders. 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:04.480 We'll find out from Jackie Fitzgerald a little later on. 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:06.640 Because it does make you worry when you see these 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:11.280 severe crimes reported, but it can be a misrepresentation of 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:13.959 what's actually happening out there, so we'll find out and 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:16.240 a Corday will join us. She's a regular guest on 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:18.680 The Michael McLaren Show with screen Talk just after one 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:22.280 o'clock this afternoon, and I have to confess I'm just 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:25.080 I'm more than a little bit excited and very lucky. 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:27.480 I think Michael's probably a bit envious too, to be honest. 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:31.320 We've got Marsha Hines coming in the studio. I've always 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:34.440 been a big fan of Marsha's and she probably won't 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:36.360 remember because I think I had hair back then. But 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:38.840 we have met a couple of times when we're working 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:43.200 through television on various programs and whatnot. But she's an 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:46.760 amazing person, a great talent, and is still going strong 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:50.800 with a remix of arguably her biggest hit, and there 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:52.959 have been plenty of those, so we can debate that 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:55.560 as long as you like, but we'll play a bit 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:57.679 of it later on. You know the song very well, 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:00.760 believe me. But Marshall come in a chat about that 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:04.320 and whatch he's up too lately. I do apologize to 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:06.800 Jim Haynes. I'm not quite as excited about him as 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:09.079 I am about Marsha. But I think he's quite understanding. 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:13.560 Jim's coming in for his regular history segment after two 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:17.639 o'clock Sydney Siders, of course, and we'll have a chat 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:19.560 with Jim. That'll be a lot of fun and Ed 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:22.040 John will join us. Now. Ed is the Manager of 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:26.480 Stewardship at the Australian Council of Superannuation Investors. Now there's 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:29.440 a title. There's quite a title. I'd have to have 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:31.360 to write that out every time I filled out a form. 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:36.160 But anyway, the story is how much Australian CEOs are 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:39.200 being paid. And I confess, unless you're one of them, 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:41.400 it can be a bit of a sore spot every 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:43.480 time you're sitting in traffic and get cut off by 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:48.640 that maserati. That doesn't give an indicator you're thinking, oh, 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:53.560 there's another CEO heading to collect his golden handshake. But 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:58.520 there are some stats out today and interestingly reported in 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:02.760 different ways in different media, I must say, but it's 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.040 not as it's not as bleak as you might think. 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:07.480 In other words, they're not all out there ripping us 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:11.120 off with massive pays pay packets. But anyway, we'll go 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:14.640 through the details of that with Air John and there 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:16.960 are a few exceptions, I must say, which I think 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.720 News Court focused on today, But there are many other 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:23.280 CEOs who are actually on the whole getting a little 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:26.880 less than you think they might be. So we'll cover 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:29.680 all that today and also the Winter Wheel. Now, yesterday 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:32.480 I managed to on fairly late notice fill in for 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:35.039 Michael and I managed to be the first person on 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:37.360 this network to get someone a two and a half 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:39.960 grand prize on the Winter Wheel. So I'm pretty happy 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:42.400 about that. I can just drop the mic and walk 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:45.359 away after that performance. We will try and do it 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:49.400 again today. We're giving it away on Breakfast mornings afternoons 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:52.200 and Sydney Now with Clinton Maynard, who'll be following us today. 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:54.600 Of course, listen for the queue a little later in 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:58.280 the program and you could spin and win. We'll play 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:00.320 you the queue now. This isn't the official CU, but 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:02.400 we'll give you an idea what it sounds like in 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:04.479 just a ticket. It'll be the two GB Winter will Q. 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.479 Two gbs Winter a Wheel. 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:13.880 Yes, that is not the queue. That's the preview of 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.839 the queue, and that'll be what your queue to call is. 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:18.400 And I'll give you the number now in case you 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:19.880 want to write it down for later. It's not the 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:22.880 usual number, it's one three hundred. It's a one three 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:25.400 hundred number seven double two eight seven three one three 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:27.919 hundred seven double two eighty seven three. That will be 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:29.560 a queue to call, and I'll give you a clue. 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:31.919 It'll be much later in the program, in the third hour. 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.800 So that's a snapshot of what's coming up. And we'll 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:38.280 be very soon talking to Vinnie's. But I did mention 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:40.520 we had the unemployment figures out, so before we go 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:43.120 to the break, I'll just read you the news release 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:47.520 that came out today. The seasonally adjusted unemployment rate has 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:50.359 remained at four point one percent for May. This is 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:54.080 the Buria Statistics data, and the ABS head of Labor 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:58.040 Statistics has said, and I quote, despite employment falling by 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.640 two thousand people this month, it's up two point three 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:04.080 percent compared to this time last year, which is stronger 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:06.680 than the pre pandemic ten year average, which is an 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:09.200 annual growth of one point seven percent. That's Sean Creek 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:13.120 from the ABS. They're the latest unemployment figures for what 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.039 they are worth. It's sixteen past midday. We'll be right 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:21.440 back and talk to Vinnis. It's nineteen past midday. Now 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:23.800 a lot of us have heard of the Saint Vincent 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:28.000 de Paul's Society, and certainly on this station because after all, 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:30.400 its household name in Australia. And tonight they, as they 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:32.920 do every year, they'll have the Vinnie's CEO Sleepout. Now 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:35.640 very own John Stanley will be broadcasting live from the 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.960 sleepout from eight pm. And this one's pretty special too 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:42.840 because it's the twentieth year of this sleepout. The idea 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:45.359 is for business leaders to spend a night sleeping rough, 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:49.360 to experience the conditions that vulnerable people endure all the time, 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.000 and to raise awareness and funds in support of those 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:55.279 who need it most. In the last financial year that's 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:58.600 twenty twenty three twenty four, Vinnis in New South Wales 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:02.120 alone supported almost one hundred thousand people, providing them with food, 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:08.520 clothing and household bills, support, advocacy and emotional support as well. 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:10.800 They also managed to assist one hundred and two thousand 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:14.520 people with their Vinnis vans distributing food, snacks and toiletries. 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:17.480 Now Orlander says is the New South Wild CEO of 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:19.480 Vinnis and she's on the line now you landa thanks 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:19.920 for your time. 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:21.880 Thanks for having me on. 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:25.880 Now. Firstly, Vinni's has been around for more than one 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:29.480 hundred and forty years. How have you noticed that the 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.000 evolution of the support that you give and who you 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:32.640 have to give it to. 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:36.440 Yeah. Thanks, Look, we've been around one hundred and forty 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:39.960 years providing care and assistance to people who are experiencing 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:43.040 poverty or disadvantage. And I think, look, you know, certainly 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:48.280 over recent times we're seeing there's not really a definitive 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:50.680 type of person coming for her help. So there's been 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:53.680 an increase certainly people with your incomes coming to us 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:58.920 over recent years. There's families, there's single parents, older people, 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:01.360 younger people. It's a real but I think one of 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:03.720 the things we've seen in particularly the last three years 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:06.920 with the cost of living pressures is certainly people with 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:09.920 dual incomes coming in because they're not able to make 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:11.800 ends meet. So that's been a bit of a shift 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:12.720 in recent times. 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.520 Yes, I have heard that sort of just on the 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:19.040 ground side to speak anecdotally, that a lot of any 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:22.080 support workers have been a little bit surprised at the 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:24.120 types of people that are coming in and asking for help, 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:26.000 and that has been a more recent phenomenon. 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:30.360 Yeah, that's right, and we're also you know, know that 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:32.640 two out of five of the come to see us 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:35.240 are coming to us so the very first time. So 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:37.880 that tells us, and given our full print across the 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:41.800 country and across the state, that it's possible that it's 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:44.200 the first time that they're turning to a charity for help. 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:47.960 So that should be concerning for all of us because 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:51.360 it does mean that. Look, the cost of living crisis 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:54.680 and pressures on people's budgets affects everyone in one way 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:58.199 or another, but it's always those people who are already 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:00.839 vulnerable or right that on that edge, I guess for 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:06.240 vulnerability who are most impacted by having to absorb extra 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:09.040 costs they just don't have the capacity to absorb. So 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:14.360 we're certainly seeing a lot of that and housing costs 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:16.800 and food costs of being from of the big drivers 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:17.920 for that need. 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:20.560 How did the vans work Lander and how has that 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:21.720 changed over the years. 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:25.800 Yeah, Look, the vans are out every night of the 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:28.920 yeks of the Christmas in New South Wales and we 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:32.120 have about fourteen vans across New Southwest, so both regional 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:37.440 and metro and we go out, we provide basics around food, 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:41.400 sleeping bags, blanket blankets. But what's really important and the 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:44.120 evolution of our vans over the last couple of years 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:46.240 has been we're doing a lot of outreach and referral 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:48.040 from the van, so it's a bit of a one 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:51.080 stop shop really, so not only will help you some 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:54.920 of those immediate needs, but also understand what else it 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:56.520 is in my need and whether we refer you to 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.520 one of our frontline homers services or they might be 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:02.199 in are one of our domestic or family violence services, 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:05.320 or perhaps to another provider that specializes in something you 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:07.480 might need help with. So that's evolved over the last 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:09.559 couple of years where we're doing much more outreach from 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:12.400 those lands and being able to then refer people on 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.240 to additional assistance that they might need. 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:17.480 And do you find a lot of people, even though 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:20.240 they have more acute needs that they also appreciate a 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:22.960 bit of social contact as well, someone who just cares. 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:25.880 Talking to them absolutely, So that's always been a great 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:28.480 strength of actually the way that Beginnings and our members. 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:32.679 We're a member based organization. We have about five thousand members, 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:35.640 all volunteers giving of their time every day in communities 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:37.720 across New South Wales and we're in about four hundred 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:41.600 communities across New South Wales and they provide care assistance 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:43.560 to people doing it talk in their own lovely community, 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:45.559 where they live and where they work, so they're very 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:48.040 much a part of those communities and they do that 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:50.560 with you know, compassion listening. Sometimes it is just the 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:53.040 listening here, and we do the same thing on our vans, 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:55.160 and we do the same thing in our frontline services. 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:57.319 The way that we help and care for people is 0:10:57.400 --> 0:10:59.600 very relational and a big part of the way that 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:03.520 we work as an organization. So certainly on the van 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:09.160 in particular, sometimes that companionship is you know, as important 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:11.280 and being seen and being listened to as important as 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:12.080 the help they're getting. 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:14.840 And of course you help a whole range of people, 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:16.920 but when it comes to the homeless in particular, it's 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:18.880 this time of year that the bites, isn't it. 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:21.600 Well, that's right, I mean you just have to be 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:23.400 out in the weather over the last couple of weeks 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:27.599 and it's been very cold at night, and so look, homelessness, 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:29.800 that roughly thing is only part of homelessness, and there's 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:32.840 another large unseen part of guess of homelessness, which is 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:36.360 that insecure housing, leaving in overcrowded housing, or maybe sleeping 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:40.000 in your car on someone's couch, you know, And there's 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:44.120 all those types of homelessness. So any insecurity of housing 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:46.199 where you don't know where you're going to be sleeping 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:50.120 the next vail the next week is really homelessness per 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:53.120 certainly for the rough sleepers. Look, you know, sleeping out 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:55.360 in these tops of conditions, we know it has very 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:58.720 detrimental health impacts of course on people as well as 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:02.480 mental health impacts. But we're seeing people with more and 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:07.440 more complex needs. So there's not only the housing needs 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:09.240 that they bring to us, but often they come co 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:13.720 presenting some mental health, perhaps alcohol, drug dependency is so 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:16.760 they are presenting far more complex and so we have 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.959 to work with them across all the types of care 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.080 that we provide, and our frontline services have seen that 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:26.640 a real increase in demand that being our home to shelters, 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:30.040 our domestic and family violence shelters unfortunately also seeing an 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:33.400 increase in demand so across the board, from the people 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:35.840 we're helping day to day with cost of living to 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:39.520 those that we're providing more acute care to now services. 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.199 We're seeing an increase in demand across the board. 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:44.640 I was going to ask you about that, the incidence 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:47.480 of mental health cases and indeed drug and alcohol abuse. 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.520 Do you have any statistics on hand to tell us 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:54.800 whether that's greater or smaller and what we're seeing on 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:55.800 the streets. 0:12:55.400 --> 0:13:00.000 Now, Yeah, certainly preventings ourselves. We're definitely seeing an increase 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:03.839 in people turning to our frontline services to help. There's 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:08.840 always diffici finding places for people in drug and alcohol 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:13.000 rehabilitation services, so that's there's a gap there in regards 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:17.000 to demand versus beds available, and the same with homer 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:20.720 shelters actually, so we know that that is there's an 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:25.000 increase in demand where where unfortunately sometimes the pathways that 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.400 we might refer people onto we can't take them are 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:29.840 also more limited than they used to be because other 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:33.320 service providers are full. And the pathways to some sort 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:36.160 of affordable housing solution is also more difficult now as 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:39.880 we all know, than it was a few years back. 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.440 So all of those things together present a really complex 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:45.680 space and it's it is a wicker problem that government 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:50.320 organizations like ours and corporations individuals really need to work 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:53.040 together to address, and the government obviously has this high 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.559 on their agenda around housing first and trying to get 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.760 as much housing stock into the market as they can 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:01.080 to help and address some of these issues. It's not 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:03.320 something that's going to have a short term fix. And 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:05.520 this is why events like the sleep out of so 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:09.680 critical for us because the funds that we raise you 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:12.440 allow us to keep those services open, allow us to 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:15.720 respond to their growth in demand for our services. 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:20.320 Well, yes, it draws attention to the organization, but also 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:21.680 you want to get some money out of those big 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:22.600 companies too, don't you. 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.320 That helps, Yeah, that's right. I mean, look, it's the 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:28.800 event is works well because as you mentioned, look, it's 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:32.120 just we don't pertain that it's going to make people 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:33.160 understand what it fat to be home. 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:33.760 It is not at all. 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:35.720 But what it does do is it has a bit 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:37.800 of a captured audience with people who are business and 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:41.320 community and government leaders who hold influence and can go 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:44.360 out and advocate for this issue once they leave the event, 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:47.920 and obviously they have good networks in which to raise funds, 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:50.240 and so that's really critical for us because as I said, 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:53.960 those funds go directly back into service provision to address 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:58.120 people who are at risk of already experiencing homelessness, and 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:00.920 so it's critical in that way, but it really is 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:04.000 they go there and they hear the stories of people 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:06.800 who've had a lived experience with homelessness, and those people 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:08.560 who are generous enough to join us on the night 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.120 to share their stories, and that's their eye opening. So 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:13.840 many people, they hear the statistics and the real face 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:16.600 of homelessness in Australia, which there's often a lot of 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:20.760 misconception around what homelessness looks like in this country. So 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:23.800 they learn a little bit about that, and then you know, 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.440 we make them feel uncomfortable for a night where they're 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:28.640 just cold and a bit uncomfortable, but hopefully while they're 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:30.880 not able to sleep, when they're at and cold, they're 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:33.240 thinking about the things they've said and the things they've learned, 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:36.640 and when they leave they either engage their company, their family, 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:38.800 their friends, or when they're in rooms where they can 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:42.320 have those conversations. They're bringing an issue of homelessness and 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:46.320 housing and other related issues to the forefront and helping 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:48.080 us advocate in those spaces as well. 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:49.720 Yeah, I think it's a very good point to make 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:51.640 because you know, it's been going for a while now, 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:53.560 as we said, and people get a bit cynical about 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:56.560 these things, particularly when they see CEOs doing it. But 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:59.040 you're right, you're targeting a particular area of great power 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:00.880 and influence, and you can is a lot more money 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:04.600 a lot more quickly than you know asking for the 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:08.920 average person to make donations. And on that point, you land, 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:11.840 what can people do these days? We associate Venus with 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:15.200 donating clothing of course, primarily toys as well, but what 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:16.440 other things can people do? 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:20.080 Yeah, there's different ways. I mean, obviously, if people are 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:22.040 able to donate one, actually they've got the means and 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:23.960 they're able to do that, that's always a great way. 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:26.320 But that allows us to then allocate that money where 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:29.040 it's most needed, be it to local assystems or be 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:30.800 it to our frontline services. 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:31.680 So that's great. 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:34.400 If people can do that, that's fantastic. If not, people 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:38.440 can also donate clothing to our Vinie stores and just 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:41.080 all the surplus from those shops goes back into the 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:44.680 organization again to help us provide all that care and 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:46.920 all the services we run run about one hundred services 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:49.800 and programs that costs me south well, so it's large, 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:53.800 and so having put donations into our shops that we 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:56.880 can resell to raise funds to support our services is 0:16:56.960 --> 0:17:00.960 really important. And people can volunteer. People can volunteer for 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:03.320 the organization, get out on a van, or volunteer in 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:06.320 a shop or is they're very interested in providing local 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:08.199 care on a regular basis. They can also become a 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:11.080 member of the organization. So there's many different ways that 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:12.760 people can can lend a hand. 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:15.239 Just on the donations an he does and d'ts when 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:17.040 it comes to things like clothing for example. 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:19.600 Yeah, look, we always say if you'd give it to mate, 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:21.720 it's okay to donate. So it's a bit pussy, but 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:23.760 really do you think, oh, I'll give that to someone 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:25.639 that is a friend of mine or someone I'm going 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:27.800 to see again, And you can probably donate it to 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:30.320 a Vinish shop. So as long as it's in good condition, 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:33.399 it can be used by somebody else, you know, not 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:35.600 staying or torn or anything like the torn or anything 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:38.080 like that. So as long as you think, yeah, that's 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:40.000 in good enough condition that someone else can make good 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:42.080 use of it, then yeah, by all means, donate it 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:42.399 to us. 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:44.919 Good point and well said thank you very much. Good 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:47.880 luck tonight. I hope you can raise heaps of money. Yeah, 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:50.000 and help a lot of people. Your lander says, thank 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:52.120 you very much again, thanks for having me on. Thank 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:54.600 you your landers of course, the New South Whild CEO 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:57.399 of s and Vinie And look, as I said, without 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:00.560 a couple of comments here about perhaps you know the 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:04.119 tokenistic approach from CEOs, but I think you landed made 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:07.439 the point quite well that they're targeting this. It's very 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:10.240 important and it's not so much to speak to you 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:13.040 through them. It's more about getting to those CEOs themselves 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:15.439 and using their power. And you know, in a lot 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:18.200 of cases they have plenty of muscle, notwithstanding their own 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:21.520 influence within their own corporations, to get money to where 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:24.120 it's really needed. It's coming out and don't forget John 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:28.240 Stanley from eight o'clock broadcasting from the CEO's Sleepout coming 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:32.280 up to twenty eight to one. Quick look at the 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:34.720 text line now, hi, Bill says Patrick. Every time I 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:36.960 passed by a Maserati or a Ferrari, I reckon it's 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:41.359 a drug dealer, not a CEO. Silly me, Thank you Patrick, Well, 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:44.920 you're probably living in Sydney Isn't it funny though? How 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:49.119 we do stereotype other drivers. It's interesting we see what 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:51.399 they're driving and we make an assumption based on that, 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:53.879 particularly if they've done something otherwise you don't really notice 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:58.000 them that much, but yes, when something happens, I wonder 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:00.520 if here's the thing for anyone who was around in 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:03.960 the seventies. Is the Tesla driver the new Volvo driver? 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:07.440 There's a question. There's a question back in the day, 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:09.760 you see, do I have to explain this? I don't 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:12.280 know whether I should go there, But you know, Volvo 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:15.080 drivers back in the old days, they were They were 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.560 people who this is the stereotype. Don't get me wrong. 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:22.000 It's not my opinion, but the stereotypical thought was as 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:23.680 a joke, by the way, too, It's one of those 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:29.120 things anyway. The stereotypical gag was that the cardigan wearing 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:32.480 Volvo driver was concerned primarily about safety. But they're not 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:36.360 really car people. They buy the vehicle because of its 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:39.040 reputation for safety, not because it's a great thing to 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:41.960 drive or you know, but they were very good cars. 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:44.639 Don't get me wrong. Is the Tesla driver the new 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:47.160 Volvo driver? They're driving it for a reason other than 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:49.840 being a car person and at liking a good car. 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:52.520 They're buying it for other reasons, the environmental responsibility, all 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:57.280 those things. Just a thought, Just a thought anyway. Oh okay, 0:19:57.400 --> 0:19:59.600 Jack wants to talk about state of origin. I'm quite 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:01.879 up for that. I was trying to avoid the topic. No, 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:04.760 many kidding. I don't take losses that badly as a 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:09.960 New South Wales person. Jack, Hello mate, Hello mate? How well? 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:12.000 Thank you? Did you go to origin? 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:13.400 I did? 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:13.640 Yes? 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:15.560 From jere Mumbagart. 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:17.400 Oh wow, yeah, what'd you think? 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:22.280 Half didn't? 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:29.760 But Jack, sorry to interrupt you, mate, I'll have to 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:31.520 put you back to the switch and we might have 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:33.760 to get you to call back because that line's breaking 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:36.680 up just too frequently. I'm sorry, I'm having trouble. Love 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:39.760 to talk to you and we'll we'll make another attempt 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:43.080 because I was curious. It's great to hear from someone 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:46.199 from w A who actually went to state of origin 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:49.240 and get their thoughts the bare bones of it, so 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:53.080 to speak. More on the text line, Margaret says, unemployed 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:55.760 who have savings are not registered as unemployed and not 0:20:55.960 --> 0:20:58.360 entitled benefits, So where do they get the unemployment figures 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:01.960 a very good point, Vinnie says, Mitch, do a wonderful job. 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:04.040 There is an ad they put on TV where a 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:08.000 little person sitting on the school steps wearing old school 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:10.560 clothes that are obviously very old and don't fitter. And 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:12.800 it breaks my heart every time I encourage people to 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:15.840 donate to Vini's. That's nice, Mitch, thank you and well 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:18.880 said too. And this one from Anthony. People are still 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:22.480 dumping crappy donations out the front of Vinnie's stores. Yes, 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:25.000 that's why I asked that question of your lander, because 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:27.720 I know a lot of people just think, oh eh, 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:30.159 it's Venie's. I'll get rid of it. But as your 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:31.640 land to point it out, and it's a good little 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:33.800 benchmark there. If you wouldn't give it to a mate, 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:37.159 don't bother giving it to Vinie because clearly it's torn 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:41.680 or damaged or dirty in some way. Thank you. And 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:45.359 Brian says Bill, I haven't seen any tesla with a 0:21:45.440 --> 0:21:49.480 hat on the back shelf yet, thank you, Brian. Yes, 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:52.200 we're digging into a bit of motoring sociology there, and 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:55.000 I must say, with tongue in cheek, it's all good fun. 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:58.560 Please don't be offended. I have to say that because 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:00.600 it's twenty twenty five. You know, it used to go 0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:02.840 without saying, but now it has to go with saying. 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:05.680 So to speak, Jack, you're back on the line from way. 0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:10.000 So jero mumbergup doesn't have the best reception, asked stick 0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:10.800 boys out. 0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:14.440 Here, jereedm hang on, how do you say jeremunga gup, 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:20.600 jerem umbergap, jerem mumber gap. Wow? There, No, I have it. 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:23.520 I've been to a lot of ups in w A. 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:26.040 There's a lot of ups in w A. It's really 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:28.240 cool that you go down that coastline and they're everywhere 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:29.280 and it's quite exciting. 0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:31.840 I think that wasn't up last night was New South 0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:32.720 Wales unfortunately. 0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:33.920 How did you deal with that? 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:35.320 Look? 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:38.600 I'm a Queenslander at heart, so I was pretty happy, 0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:43.280 but I still think that Queenslander nowhere. They gave New 0:22:43.320 --> 0:22:45.600 South Wales too much ball in that second half. 0:22:45.640 --> 0:22:46.480 Right right. 0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:47.120 Yeah. 0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:50.480 We had someone complain that we were being two one 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:53.560 eyed in a news bulletin, suggesting it had something to 0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:55.720 do with the goalkicking. But there was also the penalty 0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:58.520 count and let's not minimize the efforts showed by the 0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:00.960 Queenslanders as well, because they're under a lot of pressure. 0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:03.600 I'd written off their pack. I said they didn't have 0:23:03.640 --> 0:23:07.480 the cattle. But they really really lifted their game. And 0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:09.040 I think the rain might have helped a bit too. 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:11.000 But hey, great game three coming. 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:12.040 Up, let's get into that. 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:15.560 Absolutely, the rain was a big factor. We've had about 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:18.560 thirty mili out of here today, so it's bussing it 0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:19.280 down in Wa. 0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:20.320 But do you need it? 0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:28.040 Yeah, the crops out here are pretty dry. Yeah, anyway, mate, Yeah, 0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:29.280 I'll catch up. 0:23:29.320 --> 0:23:31.520 So great to hear from you, and I really do miss. 0:23:31.560 --> 0:23:33.159 I used to go to Wa for a lot of 0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:35.280 stuff when I was back in my TV days, traveling 0:23:35.320 --> 0:23:38.760 around all over the place, and loved going to Way 0:23:38.800 --> 0:23:41.800 went there a lot and just quietly. The Margaret River 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:44.359 Winery is not a bad place to visit either. Not 0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:46.960 to mention the beaches, but you have to be a 0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:49.399 little bit careful on some of the beaches, particularly the 0:23:49.440 --> 0:23:52.760 further south you go. Just keep your eyes peeled. It's 0:23:52.880 --> 0:23:55.439 nineteen to one. I'll be right back. We'll talk about 0:23:55.440 --> 0:24:00.679 youth crime. Some interesting stats, I think, some cracking texts 0:24:00.720 --> 0:24:03.240 on the text line about the sociology of motoring, which 0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:06.440 we brought up again tongue in cheek just a moment ago. 0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:16.760 We'll get back to those pretty soon. It's sixteen to one. Well, 0:24:16.960 --> 0:24:19.560 unfortunately we're hearing about this a lot in the news 0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:22.359 every single day, not just in New South Wales, but 0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:25.719 right across the country for the most part, regional areas 0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:29.880 allegedly terrorized by groups of teenagers where once we used 0:24:29.880 --> 0:24:31.840 to hear about kids getting up to the old mischief, 0:24:31.840 --> 0:24:35.159 you know, vandalism, graffiti, bit of shoplifting. Certainly there were 0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:37.880 gang wars between teenagers back in the days, we know that, 0:24:37.920 --> 0:24:41.119 but it was usually fisticuffs. It seems like these days 0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:45.679 where often hearing about youth crimes involving serious assaults with 0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:48.800 weapons for example. And the most recent case, of course 0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:51.480 in New South Wales that's been shocking everyone is a 0:24:51.520 --> 0:24:55.120 fourteen year old charged not convicted with rape in company 0:24:55.119 --> 0:24:57.800 with other teenagers. That case, of course will be born 0:24:57.840 --> 0:25:00.640 out in court, but it made me wonder, if there's 0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:04.600 not more youth crime, is it more serious and if 0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:07.840 so why. Jackie Fitzgerald is the executive director of the 0:25:07.840 --> 0:25:10.480 New South Wales Bureau of Crime, Statistics and Research. Thanks 0:25:10.520 --> 0:25:11.520 for your time, Jackie. 0:25:11.800 --> 0:25:13.160 Hi there, Bill. 0:25:13.320 --> 0:25:15.960 Well, firstly, let's deal with the frequency thing and get 0:25:15.960 --> 0:25:17.760 that out of the way if we can in your 0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:21.880 observations of the data, how frequent is youth crime generally 0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:24.639 compared to previous generations or is it more about how 0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:25.600 we're processing it. 0:25:26.359 --> 0:25:29.719 Look, I know it doesn't feel like this, Bill, but 0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:32.960 there's actually much less youth crime in the present day 0:25:33.000 --> 0:25:36.600 than there was, say, fifteen years ago, and we've got 0:25:36.600 --> 0:25:40.080 a number of sources for that. So primarily we're looking 0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:43.879 at police recorded incidents and the number of charges police 0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:47.560 are laying against young people. And if we compare the 0:25:47.640 --> 0:25:51.679 current year versus the high point is actually around twenty 0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:55.600 two thousand and eight. If we compare the change over 0:25:55.640 --> 0:25:58.280 those sixteen year periods, we're looking at about a thirty 0:25:58.320 --> 0:26:02.119 percent decline in the number of young people who are 0:26:02.520 --> 0:26:07.560 brought to court Biden Southwest Police. And we can also 0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:12.480 see those figures burning out in the court appearances themselves. 0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:15.800 And also if you look at the custody Figures Bill, 0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:19.119 we've got about half as many young people in custody 0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:23.280 the present day than we did in two thousand and eight. 0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:27.920 So really, young people today are offending at a much 0:26:28.040 --> 0:26:32.640 lower rate than they were fifteen or sixteen years ago. 0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:35.280 And I don't know, it doesn't always feel like that, 0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:39.320 and there's always these horrible crime stories, and you know, 0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:42.920 I don't want to defend those in any way or 0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:47.000 stretch of the imagination, but it is the case that 0:26:47.080 --> 0:26:51.479 young people these days are less inclined to get involved 0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:53.880 in crime than they were a generation ago. 0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:57.000 And of course you've just told us about custodial figures there, 0:26:57.040 --> 0:26:59.160 So anyone who's getting a bit cynical and thinks they're 0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:01.720 just hiding the figures, it's pretty hard to hide that. 0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:05.840 If anyone's actually been charged and arrested, then all that's recorded. 0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:11.320 Yeah, there's no question that police are very cognizant of 0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:14.280 the concerns about youth crime. And I don't think anyone 0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:18.320 is accusing yourself whiles police or growing soft on youth crime. 0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:21.680 So we're really taking their figures and looking at how 0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:25.840 many young people they are charging or they can also 0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:29.160 caution a young person, and all of the metrics suggest 0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:32.280 to decline. And you know, even if we look at 0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:37.080 the crime rates, actually most of our crimes have also declined. 0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:41.000 It is the case Bill that over a person's life, 0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:44.560 they are more likely to be involved in crime in 0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:48.800 that kind of late adolescent time than at any other 0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:51.280 point in your life. So if you imagine that kind 0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:55.439 of risk taking behavior that you imagine, even some of 0:27:55.480 --> 0:27:59.720 your listeners look back on certain behaviors that they engaged 0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:03.280 in as a child. I wouldn't dream of doing that now. 0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:07.399 But it's still the case that over your life's course, 0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:10.480 you're more likely to be involved in crime at a 0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:13.480 young age than at any other time. But what we're 0:28:13.520 --> 0:28:17.240 finding is that fewer young people these days are involved 0:28:17.240 --> 0:28:19.800 in crime, even though it still is the time of 0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:22.359 your life that you're most likely to be involved in crime, 0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:24.200 if that's the path you go down. 0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:26.520 So we'll go to the next obvious question then, Jackie, 0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:29.399 and that's great news. Is that Okay, if we're seeing 0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:34.160 fewer offenders, are these fewer offenders actually committing more serious crimes? 0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:36.440 Do you have any stats that WAGH that are. 0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:42.200 The crime bit is higher than it was sixteen years ago? 0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:46.480 Is car theft? So if we compare the rates of 0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:49.440 car theft and also young people proceeded against the car 0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:53.840 theft now, it's about fifty percent higher than in two 0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:57.120 thousand and eight, So that's the offense that really is 0:28:57.240 --> 0:29:00.959 jumping out and that increase has happened kind of post 0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:06.720 COVID really, so two thousand and one and twenty twenty one, 0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:09.680 twenty twenty two we started to see this increase in 0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:13.880 car theft and that is associated with an increase in 0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:17.760 young people's offending. So that's the offense that is fucking 0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:23.960 this general decline. But other offenses that I know are 0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:27.360 in the public eye that people are concerned about, and 0:29:27.560 --> 0:29:29.480 I guess breaking entry is one of the ones that 0:29:29.560 --> 0:29:33.440 jumps out there. We're still seeing break in rates that 0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:39.240 are much lower than they were historically, and things like 0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:42.440 a robbery is another very concerning offense. So there's like 0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:48.120 a violent theft defense with we concerning offense, yes, that 0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:51.800 is much less common than it was, so about half 0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:56.160 as common for young people to participate in robbery than 0:29:56.200 --> 0:29:58.720 they once were, and we're not seeing any evidence of 0:29:58.760 --> 0:30:03.400 a an uptick there. So I think it is true 0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:09.240 that this car theft is probably the problematic offense, and 0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:14.200 hopefully there's something of a trend there that will die away. 0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:19.600 Because we are seeing some places or some parts of 0:30:20.120 --> 0:30:25.120 particularly regional New South Wales, where car theft increased in 0:30:25.160 --> 0:30:28.560 twenty twenty two, has since the decline, so it's something 0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:36.600 of a temporary popular behavior. Unfortunately that has a peak 0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:40.440 and then starts to wane, and hopefully that's how it 0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:42.240 goes for the rest of the New South Wales. 0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:44.200 This might be harder to measure. I don't know, but 0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:47.400 have you seen any correlation with social media? Obviously that 0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:50.720 has played a role. It's been quite well, forgive the term, 0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:54.280 but it is visible literally when we see these crimes. 0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:58.840 Yeah, look, that increase in car theft is it does 0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:02.720 definitely seems to be associated with people posting about their 0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:09.440 offending and really some quite I guess, bragging about their 0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:13.040 exploits on social media. That seems to be a factor 0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:17.400 in that car theft increase. So the government have legislated 0:31:17.480 --> 0:31:25.000 to outlaw posting those kind of of videos. We still 0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:28.480 haven't seen a huge volume of charges under that particular legislation, 0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:32.480 but you know, hopefully that will help turn the tide. 0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:35.120 But I think that is a real problem and one 0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:38.600 of the reasons why we have seen an uptick in 0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:42.880 that particular offense. So some other offenses possibly aren't as 0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:47.160 you don't get as much credibility or bragging rights if 0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:52.000 you post about your shop lifting or something some other 0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:53.240 more minor offenses. 0:31:53.480 --> 0:31:55.400 One more quick question before I let you go, and 0:31:55.400 --> 0:31:58.680 that is recidivism. Are we seeing many repeat offenders now 0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:01.360 or is that basically as it always has been. 0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:04.680 I think Bill, the issue is that there's a lot 0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:07.400 of young people that maybe once would have got involved 0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:11.320 in crime, but are not are not now. They're engaged 0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:14.040 in other pursuits, and often indoor pursuits. We know that 0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:18.560 young people pretty attracted to the gaming console, My children are, 0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:22.640 and that's you know, for all the harms associated with that, 0:32:22.680 --> 0:32:27.080 there is possibly a protective element in terms of antisocial behavior. 0:32:27.760 --> 0:32:30.480 But those kids that do get involved in the criminal 0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:36.200 justice system, they do reoffend, unfortunately, and young people do 0:32:36.320 --> 0:32:39.480 have those few young people that are in the criminal 0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:43.440 justice system do have high rates of refending, so we 0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:47.800 haven't seen a lot of benefit there. But we are 0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:52.080 talking about a smaller cohort than in previous times, so 0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:57.640 that's you know, there's some complexity in the picture. 0:32:57.800 --> 0:33:01.080 But that's generally very comforting news. Jackie Fitzgerald, thank you 0:33:01.120 --> 0:33:01.880 so much for your time. 0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:02.840 Thanks Bill. 0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:10.360 Seven to one Gee, lots of feedback about this, some 0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:16.840 anger on the text line suggesting Jackie's not accurate. Well, look, 0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:20.120 what can you do. It's the Bureau of Statistics. I 0:33:20.120 --> 0:33:22.720 don't have any basis on which to say that she's wrong. 0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:26.760 Jackie's in charge of the statistics. But we have some 0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:30.160 people who are quite anger about this, and I'll get 0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:33.000 back to that. We're running up towards news time, and 0:33:33.040 --> 0:33:35.720 we will get back to your comments on the car 0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:39.000 gag we had about the Tesla driver being the new 0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:41.520 Volvo driver, etc. And I have to say before we 0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:45.200 continue that conversation. I am a subero ambassador too, So look, 0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:47.440 even though it's not really connected to that conversation, I 0:33:47.480 --> 0:33:50.360 am obliged to tell you that and more than happy 0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:52.840 to do so. So take for whatever I say for 0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:55.240 what it's worth in that regard. But we will get 0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:56.960 back to that conversation as well. But to tell you what, 0:33:57.080 --> 0:33:59.560 some people are saying that just can't be right on 0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:02.360 the text line regarding these youth crime statistics. So we'll 0:34:02.400 --> 0:34:04.440 get back to that after this. Well, I knew there'd 0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:06.440 be a few people who are skeptical about those youth 0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:08.840 crime stats we talked about with Jackie Fitzgerald, this is 0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:11.800 the new South Wales Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research. 0:34:11.840 --> 0:34:13.840 But I must say I wasn't prepared for the volume 0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:16.719 of people who were skeptical about it. And I must 0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:20.840 say I don't have anything even anecdotally with which to 0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:27.200 challenge Jackie's data. But Paul says total lies. The reason 0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:29.440 the stats are down is because Young Offenders Act doesn't 0:34:29.480 --> 0:34:32.120 allow the charging of juveniles, so their caution which doesn't 0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:34.840 get recorded as an offense or conviction. I'm a police 0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:37.799 officer and can tell you youth crime is worse than ever, 0:34:38.040 --> 0:34:42.560 particularly summary offenses where their behavior intimidates people. Very interesting, 0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:45.520 the lady says, Daryl can give all the reasons about 0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:47.600 youth crime dropping, but comparing it to back then, it 0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:50.480 doesn't take into account the warnings given and different types 0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:53.520 of correctional mediations. Back in the day we didn't have those. 0:34:54.480 --> 0:34:57.040 And this from Gary, these stats must be wrong. There's 0:34:57.040 --> 0:34:59.560 no way there's less youth crime. I'm a police officer 0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:02.960 and youth crime is rampant. So it's two police officers. 0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:09.040 What a load of bs. Never in my lifetimes crime 0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:13.000 being worse. Disgusting live, says Robin. A lot of people 0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:16.279 are very angry about this. Sue says. All I can 0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:18.399 say is a lot of crime must be unreported because 0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:20.960 I find that these crime statistics are not telling it 0:35:21.000 --> 0:35:24.480 as it is. Michael, like ninety eight percent of everyone 0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:26.200 else listening, I don't believe a word of what that 0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:29.040 woman from the APS just said. She's fooling nearly no 0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:32.080 one except herself and her cohort and the ABS bunker. 0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:34.360 I think what a lot of people are suggesting is 0:35:34.360 --> 0:35:36.960 that a lot of these crimes are being for various reasons, 0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:40.319 which two people who said they are police officers have 0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:45.240 said also that it's just not being officially reported. Very interesting. 0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:48.120 Keep that feedback going. We've got a lot more coming 0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:49.879 up too. We'll get back to the cars as well 0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:51.920 after the news now. 0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:57.080 On GGB and network stations back two afternoons with Bill 0:35:57.120 --> 0:35:59.759 Woods filling in from Michael McLaren. 0:36:01.160 --> 0:36:03.640 Yes, another action packed our coming up for you. We 0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:05.880 hope you'll enjoy it. We've got our regular guest annacor 0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:09.400 Day talking entertainment and just to tick, including the latest 0:36:09.840 --> 0:36:14.120 and greatest midday film. Marcia Hines. I'm so excited will 0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:17.560 be in the studio. A massive fan of Marsha Hines. 0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:20.840 She's got a new remixed single, she's going on tour 0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:22.960 and I think I don't know. We'll ask you if 0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:25.040 she's going to come back and do more judging on 0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:27.880 Australian Idol as well for the next season when that's due. 0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:30.280 So that's a little look at the next hour ahead 0:36:30.280 --> 0:36:34.520 of us. And boy oh boy, are people getting upset 0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:38.200 about the youth crime statistics and the Australian or in 0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:41.160 fact the new South Wales Bureau of Crime Statistics And 0:36:41.200 --> 0:36:44.640 the interview we did with Jackie Fitzgerald just before the 0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:48.239 news so in case you've just tuned in, we had 0:36:48.280 --> 0:36:51.680 a couple of ex police officers, including and a number 0:36:51.680 --> 0:36:56.479 of other people basically saying they can't believe those official statistics. Now. 0:36:56.640 --> 0:37:01.520 I did question Jackie on how these statistics ocessed and 0:37:01.920 --> 0:37:06.919 whether it's custodial figures as opposed to actual charges, but 0:37:07.480 --> 0:37:12.120 she insisted that the youth crime generally is down, and 0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:17.479 even when I asked her about repeat offenders and whether 0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:21.279 crime was more severe if it wasn't more prolific, she 0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:25.160 still said things are getting better and people just cannot 0:37:25.320 --> 0:37:28.480 believe it. She's off her tree says this text message 0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:31.960 young people are less in numbers. I think they mean 0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:36.319 young offenders are less in numbers because police or the 0:37:36.320 --> 0:37:39.560 courts are not pursuing them. And that's a common thread 0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:42.799 with a number of people who've also said that, for 0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:45.719 example Al who says he's an ex copper. These days 0:37:45.719 --> 0:37:48.120 it's very hard to report anything. It's convoluted and people 0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:50.680 just don't bother. So that's another interesting angle that they're 0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:53.000 saying that a lot of youth crime is not even reported, 0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:56.759 therefore it won't even come across the desk of the 0:37:56.800 --> 0:38:00.640 New South Wales Bureau of Crime Statistics. Greg So pointed 0:38:00.640 --> 0:38:03.839 to one of the little intricacies of measuring these things 0:38:03.840 --> 0:38:05.640 when he said, well, I wonder how you steal a 0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:08.400 car without breaking into someone's house first and stealing the keys, 0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:11.160 which we've seen a lot in these small towns and 0:38:11.200 --> 0:38:14.000 regional areas where gangs are doing just that, and when 0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:17.200 they do break into the homes, they're armed, Thank you, Greg. 0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:20.040 That is of course disturbing a lot of people, particularly 0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:22.799 elderly people in those areas. And that look is We've 0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:24.759 got so many texts on this, and I think that 0:38:24.880 --> 0:38:28.520 basically covers a lot of what people are saying, and 0:38:28.600 --> 0:38:31.360 that is their are statistics, and their are statistics. Diane 0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:33.040 also points out, and I think I did bring this 0:38:33.160 --> 0:38:35.600 up in the interview, if one person is committing multiple 0:38:35.600 --> 0:38:38.239 crimes to zak count and I did bring that up 0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:41.719 Diane about repeat offenders. But again Jackie insisting that the 0:38:41.760 --> 0:38:45.160 stats are better than you think they are. If you 0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:47.920 believe those stats, you believe in the tooth fairies is Karla. 0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:50.080 There you go, and on it goes. There are many others, 0:38:50.120 --> 0:38:52.560 thank you. I think I've covered well. Another person who 0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:54.759 claims to work in retail saying that it's rife in 0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:57.279 stores now and basically nothing could be done about it. 0:38:58.360 --> 0:38:59.880 And a couple of people have pointed out too that 0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:02.799 and it's almost contradictory because when you think about it, 0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:07.160 these instances would not be reported in the stats either. 0:39:07.200 --> 0:39:08.840 But they're saying that back in the old days, a 0:39:08.920 --> 0:39:11.040 copper grab you by the scuff of the net, kick 0:39:11.080 --> 0:39:14.040 you in the backside and take you back to your parents' 0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:17.040 place for a good talking to or something like that. 0:39:17.680 --> 0:39:19.640 But of course that wouldn't have been a statistic back 0:39:19.640 --> 0:39:24.799 then either. But anyway, look, I'm you know, I don't 0:39:24.800 --> 0:39:26.719 want to keep going on about how good the good 0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:28.600 old days were, because there were things about the good 0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:31.280 old days that weren't so good. But I do believe 0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:34.840 that lack of respect for police these days and authority generally, 0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:37.919 and the inability of police to just exercise a little 0:39:37.920 --> 0:39:42.400 bit of that muscle for want of a better term, 0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:44.839 might come in handy these days. But of course, you know, 0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:47.920 they can't go anywhere near that kind of behavior on 0:39:47.960 --> 0:39:53.040 the contrary. Anyway, there you go, lots of people calling 0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:55.040 in about that or texting in about that. Thank you 0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:57.759 very much for your feedback. We really appreciate it. I 0:39:57.800 --> 0:40:00.600 promised to get back to the car comment, and I 0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:03.239 do have to insist that I must disclose I'm a 0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:07.000 Subero embassador before we have any conversations like this. I 0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:09.560 did bring it up earlier. Is the Tesla driver the 0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:11.880 new Volvo driver because they drive cars that because they 0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:14.640 think they're being responsible rather than just doing it to 0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:17.600 be cool as opposed to the old days. You know, 0:40:17.640 --> 0:40:19.960 those sorts of things. Had a lot of feedback on that, 0:40:20.000 --> 0:40:23.360 which was quite amusing. This one from Sam the camera 0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:26.120 driver is the new Volvo driver. There you go, I 0:40:26.120 --> 0:40:30.360 hadn't really thought about that. And this one is just 0:40:30.400 --> 0:40:32.520 a very kind text message about I have written a 0:40:32.520 --> 0:40:37.360 book about motorsport legends called Legends of Speed. Yes, thank you, Chris. 0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:39.080 I'm glad you enjoyed the book. That was a few 0:40:39.120 --> 0:40:43.520 years ago. Now I wrote that book. This one again. 0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:47.360 The new Volvo drivers are camera drivers, says Anton. Okay, 0:40:47.440 --> 0:40:48.960 so that the old camera is getting a bit of 0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:52.759 a run there, and Tesla's definitely the new Volvo, says 0:40:52.800 --> 0:40:55.680 this one, and a few other people agreeing with that. 0:40:56.320 --> 0:40:57.960 Some people are saying, there you go, and I disclosed 0:40:57.960 --> 0:41:00.400 as a Superuo ambassador. This person is saying Volvo drivers 0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:04.359 became Subaru drivers who were now Tesla drivers. He's laughing though, 0:41:04.360 --> 0:41:06.480 Mitch when he says that, you got the lol on 0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:08.520 the end of it. So there you go. Bit of 0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:10.799 motoring sociology. It's always a bit of fun when you're 0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:13.120 sitting in traffic trying to work out why people do 0:41:13.560 --> 0:41:16.640 the stupid things they do, and you know, we come 0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:20.200 up with stereotypes. All right, that's that I reckon we 0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:21.520 should talk a bit of screen. 0:41:21.200 --> 0:41:30.360 Stuff now on afternoon, and I says screen torch. 0:41:31.440 --> 0:41:34.160 On a much lighter note again, Hello anakor day, good 0:41:34.160 --> 0:41:35.200 to catch up with you again. 0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:36.279 Good to talk to you. 0:41:36.360 --> 0:41:36.600 Bill. 0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:39.759 Now let's start with the midday movie since I last 0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:41.920 filled in for Michael. This is a new thing, and 0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:44.600 I must say, back in the old days, going back 0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:46.320 to when I was a kid, and that's a few 0:41:46.360 --> 0:41:49.520 decades now, there was always a midday film. This has 0:41:49.560 --> 0:41:50.680 been around for a long time. 0:41:51.400 --> 0:41:54.520 It is a pretty, i guess, a staple of our 0:41:54.719 --> 0:41:57.680 TV viewing these days. As you say, it's been going 0:41:57.680 --> 0:41:59.560 on for a long time. I used to love tuning 0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:01.120 in and you know, you'd have a sick day from 0:42:01.160 --> 0:42:04.399 school and you'd watch some weird movie from the sixties. Perfect. 0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:07.040 But look, I've been putting myself through the horrors of 0:42:07.080 --> 0:42:09.719 the mediocre midday movies for the last few weeks, and 0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:12.040 this week I was relieved to actually find one that's 0:42:12.360 --> 0:42:15.239 a little bit better than mediocre. This one is an 0:42:15.280 --> 0:42:17.440 Australian movie. It's a bit of a sci fi thriller. 0:42:17.480 --> 0:42:18.680 It's called Monolith. 0:42:19.600 --> 0:42:23.160 The official synopsis is, while trying to salvage her career, 0:42:23.360 --> 0:42:27.840 a disgraced journalist begins investigating a strange conspiracy theory. So 0:42:27.840 --> 0:42:30.800 we're off to a good start. However, as the trail 0:42:30.880 --> 0:42:34.799 leads uncomfortably close to home. She's left to grapple with 0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:38.600 the lies at the heart of her own story. So look, 0:42:38.640 --> 0:42:41.600 it sounds like it'd be absolutely awful, but it actually 0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:44.680 is not that bad. I was very pleasantly surprised. There 0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:46.480 is a bit of alien stuff going on, so that's 0:42:46.719 --> 0:42:49.640 always going to pique the interest. And look, I just 0:42:49.680 --> 0:42:52.600 needed something that wasn't a murderous sister out for revenge 0:42:52.960 --> 0:42:55.120 or a gymnast tangled in a web of lies. 0:42:55.160 --> 0:42:55.720 This week. 0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:58.319 I will also say, so this is airing right now 0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:00.880 on nine Go. It also so then leads into an 0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:03.600 absolute banger of an afternoon if you were I kind 0:43:03.600 --> 0:43:06.200 of wish I was homesick right now so I could 0:43:06.239 --> 0:43:08.960 be watching The Golden Girls and then The Nanny. I mean, 0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:10.439 I don't think it gets better. 0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:12.240 Is The Golden Girl still going? 0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:13.719 Of course it? 0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:16.680 I mean why shouldn't please? Yeah, why shouldn't it? 0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:19.120 I mean that's you don't even need to know what 0:43:19.200 --> 0:43:20.960 season or what episode, you just watch it. 0:43:21.040 --> 0:43:24.239 That's true, That is quite right. It's one of those 0:43:24.480 --> 0:43:26.920 series and I think you probably throw Seinfeld in there 0:43:26.960 --> 0:43:29.640 that you could just jump in anywhere and it still 0:43:29.640 --> 0:43:30.160 makes sense. 0:43:30.160 --> 0:43:33.439 The Nanny Friends phil and Grace. It all works now. 0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:36.719 Just quickly on that, I noticed Damon Harryman is in 0:43:36.760 --> 0:43:39.959 the cast of Monolith, and he's a good Aussie actor. 0:43:40.000 --> 0:43:40.759 Is this an Aussie film? 0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:43.200 It is an Aussie film. It was made in twenty 0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:46.799 twenty two. He's probably the biggest name out of the 0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:48.440 cast in there. The rest of them are all kind 0:43:48.480 --> 0:43:50.799 of up and comers, but it is an Australian film. 0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:52.680 Monolith on nine go right. 0:43:52.520 --> 0:43:56.120 Now now with the movies, the twenty eight series. It 0:43:56.200 --> 0:43:58.719 started with twenty eight Days Later, which was such an 0:43:58.719 --> 0:44:02.239 innovative and very well made zombie film. For those who 0:44:02.280 --> 0:44:04.600 hate zombie films, this might be one you might want 0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:07.120 to see. But now they've moved on. Where did go 0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:10.040 from there? And it went to twenty eight weeks or something? 0:44:10.120 --> 0:44:12.640 We had twenty eight weeks later. That's right. That wasn't 0:44:12.640 --> 0:44:16.200 necessarily seen as the best film or the best sequel. 0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:18.960 And of course that one wasn't directed or written by 0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:21.960 Danny Boyle and Alex Garland. They're the ones who created 0:44:22.000 --> 0:44:23.719 that first film, and as you say, it was such 0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:26.880 an innovative film. But they are finally back at the 0:44:26.880 --> 0:44:29.920 helm of this new one. So this is twenty eight 0:44:30.040 --> 0:44:32.839 years later. So, as we can understand, twenty eight days 0:44:32.880 --> 0:44:36.160 later was twenty eight days after a zombie outbreak. Twenty 0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:38.799 eight weeks later, twenty eight weeks after the outbreak. Now 0:44:38.840 --> 0:44:41.799 we are twenty eight years on. So the setup for 0:44:41.840 --> 0:44:44.719 these films is that this virus outbreak has happened in 0:44:44.760 --> 0:44:47.520 the UK. It's all contained to the UK, so the 0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:50.840 rest of the world life is going on, so the 0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:53.600 virus is contained. Although twenty eight weeks later did try 0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:55.400 to imply that it had spread to Europe, they've kind 0:44:55.400 --> 0:44:57.160 of shut that down and ignored that for this one, 0:44:57.800 --> 0:45:01.279 so right, pretending it didn't happen. So in this one, 0:45:01.760 --> 0:45:04.319 as I said, it's twenty years on, twenty eight years 0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:07.400 on this you know, people are still living there. There 0:45:07.440 --> 0:45:10.279 are lots of zombies around. They've started to mutate. They've 0:45:10.320 --> 0:45:13.600 turned into alphas and some weird, fat, slow ones, quite 0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:16.080 entertaining to look at. That's the best way I can 0:45:16.120 --> 0:45:18.759 describe them. They've got official names. But that's what it is, 0:45:19.800 --> 0:45:23.960 zombie shaming, you know, but wait until you see it. 0:45:23.960 --> 0:45:24.560 It's a lot. 0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:26.640 It is a lot, and none of them have clothes 0:45:26.680 --> 0:45:28.680 because of course the clothes that they were in when 0:45:28.680 --> 0:45:31.000 they turned into zombies have disintegrated in twenty eight years. 0:45:31.880 --> 0:45:34.279 They're closed to citic great, but they don't rot. It 0:45:34.320 --> 0:45:36.360 always makes me wonder why don't they finish up as 0:45:36.400 --> 0:45:38.160 skeletons or something. I can't figure that out. 0:45:38.200 --> 0:45:41.360 In Zombie Willing, I don't quite care to look into 0:45:41.400 --> 0:45:44.680 the science behind this virus. But all I know is 0:45:44.719 --> 0:45:47.440 the clothes are not clothes anymore. So you will see 0:45:47.480 --> 0:45:49.160 a lot of naked zombies. I am giving you a 0:45:49.280 --> 0:45:53.719 warning you the film though. This setup is that you know, 0:45:53.800 --> 0:45:57.960 a few societies have kind of re emerged within England. 0:45:58.160 --> 0:46:00.799 They're living in kind of secluded Little Air is one 0:46:00.880 --> 0:46:04.120 such family, living on a little island. They go to 0:46:04.160 --> 0:46:07.680 the mainland. Young Spike, he's kind of the focus of 0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:11.400 this film. His mum needs a bit of help, so 0:46:11.440 --> 0:46:15.640 he ventures to the mainland to seek said help, and 0:46:15.680 --> 0:46:18.640 he finds that maybe things aren't quite what he expected 0:46:18.680 --> 0:46:21.359 on the mainland, where it's you know, being run over 0:46:21.480 --> 0:46:25.239 by mutant zombies. I'm a bit vague there because I 0:46:25.239 --> 0:46:28.040 don't want to spoil any plot points, because while I 0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:31.880 personally hate zombies and horror, I can admit that this 0:46:31.960 --> 0:46:35.240 is a brilliant film, and we have Aaron Taylor Johnson, 0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:38.480 Jody Comer, and Rafe Fines among the cast. Also for 0:46:38.560 --> 0:46:41.040 a zombie film, there is so much emotion in this 0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:44.560 so I was crying from both pure fear and pure 0:46:44.600 --> 0:46:48.000 emotion in this movie, which is quite a feat. It 0:46:48.120 --> 0:46:51.359 is absolutely terrifying. Though you will also see a lot 0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:54.440 of human spines, so I warn you on that. Fans 0:46:54.440 --> 0:46:56.040 of the franchise, though, eat your heart out. 0:46:56.440 --> 0:47:01.279 Nude zombies and spines and Ray Fines thrown into the mix. 0:47:01.320 --> 0:47:03.200 That's what they're not mucking around. They get him on. 0:47:04.000 --> 0:47:06.920 Oh no, okay, and he's taking his role very seriously 0:47:06.920 --> 0:47:09.560 in this. Also, I'm not going to reveal anything, but 0:47:09.640 --> 0:47:12.080 this is setting up another film that has been written 0:47:12.120 --> 0:47:14.280 that's kind of like a sequel. It's called The Bone Temple. 0:47:14.719 --> 0:47:16.920 All ties back to that very first film twenty eight 0:47:17.000 --> 0:47:19.279 days later. You'll see what I mean when you see 0:47:19.280 --> 0:47:21.520 the last few minutes of this film, and it's all 0:47:21.520 --> 0:47:23.839 setting up what's to come, I think. 0:47:24.280 --> 0:47:26.440 But it's a lot because there is so many zombie 0:47:26.440 --> 0:47:29.440 franchises now, and can you remember I think in this 0:47:29.520 --> 0:47:31.719 series the zombies are fast, aren't they. 0:47:32.560 --> 0:47:37.600 They're fast, and the virus spreads very quickly, so as 0:47:37.640 --> 0:47:40.480 soon as essentially kind of once you're bitten, you're gone. 0:47:41.320 --> 0:47:43.680 It takes a couple of minutes. And yes, that is 0:47:43.920 --> 0:47:46.920 they kind of address it so that this virus has 0:47:46.960 --> 0:47:50.600 then now kind of acted almost like a like a stimulant, 0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:54.399 a steroid, and so it's really transformed. That's why they've 0:47:54.440 --> 0:47:55.360 started to mutate. 0:47:55.600 --> 0:47:58.200 Yeah, I don't like the fast ones. They're scary. 0:47:58.840 --> 0:48:01.680 Yes I would if it's on the outbreak happened. I'm 0:48:01.680 --> 0:48:03.880 not running, I'm not doing anything. Just take me out. 0:48:04.080 --> 0:48:06.200 Did you see that scene in World War Z where 0:48:06.200 --> 0:48:07.839 they sort of piled on top of each other as 0:48:07.840 --> 0:48:10.840 they invaded the walls of the city. That was quite nepicure. 0:48:11.160 --> 0:48:12.000 They tend to do that. 0:48:12.360 --> 0:48:17.440 Yeah, not looking forward to that day. No, Ellie, Let's 0:48:17.520 --> 0:48:20.880 move on. Elio. What's the about? 0:48:21.040 --> 0:48:22.680 This one is much more my speed and it is 0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:24.680 as far away from twenty eight years later as you 0:48:24.760 --> 0:48:28.240 can get. So Elio is the new offering from Disney Pixar. 0:48:28.320 --> 0:48:30.600 So Elio, he's a bit of a loner, he's a 0:48:30.600 --> 0:48:33.080 bit of an underdog. He's got a very vivid imagination 0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:37.320 and one day he gets boom beamed. I can't even speak. 0:48:37.520 --> 0:48:41.520 Beamed up to the communiverse now looks stay with me. 0:48:41.640 --> 0:48:47.320 The Communiverse is an interplanetary organization that brings together beings 0:48:47.520 --> 0:48:51.000 from all galaxies and planets, and they have somehow mistaken 0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:54.759 the child that is Elo as the ambassador to f Look. 0:48:54.800 --> 0:48:57.560 It is a bit of a kooky premise. It is 0:48:57.680 --> 0:49:00.680 such a delightful movie though, there's so much high in it. 0:49:00.680 --> 0:49:03.560 It's sweet, it's visually stunning. It's all about, you know, 0:49:03.600 --> 0:49:06.319 finding your place in the world or within the galaxies, 0:49:06.480 --> 0:49:09.080 and accepting yourself and kindness, and that's all of the 0:49:09.080 --> 0:49:11.239 things that we want to be teaching young kids. It's 0:49:11.280 --> 0:49:14.239 just a really really sweet family film and another home 0:49:14.320 --> 0:49:15.759 run from Pixar they never miss. 0:49:16.040 --> 0:49:18.440 Yeah, that's a little bit like that movie where the 0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:23.600 kid became a starfighter or something for another civilization on 0:49:23.640 --> 0:49:25.960 another planet. I don't know, maybe I'm mixing my films 0:49:26.000 --> 0:49:27.200 up anyway, it. 0:49:27.239 --> 0:49:29.880 Sounds a bit like that. They've all got pretty similar 0:49:29.920 --> 0:49:32.080 premises and they're all teaching valuable lessons. 0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:36.040 Yeah, now the Waterfront we're getting onto streaming now, my goodness, 0:49:36.080 --> 0:49:38.600 there's been some great shows. If you've seen that Department Q. 0:49:38.840 --> 0:49:40.239 I don't know whether you've talked about. 0:49:39.960 --> 0:49:43.840 That one is fantastic, Yeah, Flix, very good, great characters 0:49:43.840 --> 0:49:46.840 in that show. Yes, it'll bit kind of like Slow 0:49:46.880 --> 0:49:48.200 Horses in a way it is. 0:49:48.200 --> 0:49:50.319 Isn't that funny because that's exactly what I thought, which 0:49:50.320 --> 0:49:53.480 is a ripper show Slow Horses. Love that the lines 0:49:53.520 --> 0:49:56.240 that Gary Oldman gets in that show, it's fantastic. Anyway, 0:49:56.280 --> 0:49:57.960 we're talking Waterfront, what's all that about? 0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:00.520 This one is coming out on Netflix to It's a 0:50:00.520 --> 0:50:03.640 little bit kind of like a succession style show. It 0:50:03.760 --> 0:50:06.920 is based on true events, so it centers around the 0:50:06.960 --> 0:50:10.520 Buckley family. They own a fishing empire in North Carolina. 0:50:10.880 --> 0:50:13.400 It's in a bit of trouble for various reasons. But 0:50:13.480 --> 0:50:17.320 when a ship runs aground and some illicit cargo is discovered, 0:50:17.360 --> 0:50:20.480 a succession battle and a conflict is triggered between the 0:50:20.480 --> 0:50:24.359 patriarch of this fishing family and his heir apparent. So look, 0:50:24.520 --> 0:50:26.640 it's not quite succession, you know. It doesn't have that 0:50:26.760 --> 0:50:29.799 razor shup with that succession has, but it does kind 0:50:29.800 --> 0:50:33.040 of fill the somewhat gaping hole that succession has left. 0:50:33.320 --> 0:50:35.640 It's just an easy drama to watch and it's going 0:50:35.680 --> 0:50:36.760 to be on Netflix today. 0:50:37.560 --> 0:50:39.560 And moving on. We've got a couple of others to 0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:41.560 get through as well. We were Liars. 0:50:42.320 --> 0:50:44.960 Yes, this one is out on Prime Video today. Well 0:50:44.960 --> 0:50:47.440 it's out already, actually, I think it's just dropped. So 0:50:47.520 --> 0:50:49.440 this one is a little bit kind of like Pretty 0:50:49.440 --> 0:50:51.319 Little Liars meets I Know What You Did Last Summer 0:50:51.400 --> 0:50:53.359 meets a little bit of a succession mixed in there 0:50:53.400 --> 0:50:55.920 as well, but it centers around a rich girl. Her 0:50:56.000 --> 0:50:58.840 name is Cadence. Her group of friends are called the Liars, 0:50:59.360 --> 0:51:01.480 and I mean, look, personally, it's not the kind of 0:51:01.560 --> 0:51:03.080 name that I would watch to give my friend group. 0:51:03.120 --> 0:51:04.799 I wouldn't want us to be known as the Lies. 0:51:04.840 --> 0:51:07.320 But anyway, we move on. But they spend their summers 0:51:07.320 --> 0:51:11.480 on Cadence's grandpa's private island. They're rich, old money kind 0:51:11.520 --> 0:51:13.440 of people, you know, so they have their own private island. 0:51:14.239 --> 0:51:16.680 But something very dramatic and mysterious happens. I'm not going 0:51:16.760 --> 0:51:19.680 to reveal what because that's all part of the enjoyment 0:51:19.719 --> 0:51:21.480 that you get when you watch this show. But it 0:51:21.600 --> 0:51:24.759 changes everything for not only Cadence but the Liars, and 0:51:24.840 --> 0:51:28.400 it appears everyone is hiding something. So good old classic 0:51:28.600 --> 0:51:32.719 mystery deceit lies all of that, it is surprisingly good. 0:51:33.040 --> 0:51:34.720 I did kind of think it'd be a bit tacky, 0:51:34.920 --> 0:51:37.160 you know, you know, spoiled rich kids being awful. But 0:51:37.200 --> 0:51:38.960 there is a lot of substance, a lot of twists, 0:51:38.960 --> 0:51:40.239 a lot of turns and it so it will hook 0:51:40.280 --> 0:51:43.000 you right in. So that's we were liars on Prime 0:51:43.080 --> 0:51:44.360 Video and moving. 0:51:44.120 --> 0:51:46.399 On to Apple TV. Now for The Buccaneers. 0:51:46.800 --> 0:51:48.840 Yes, this is purely just for me because I have 0:51:48.920 --> 0:51:51.640 a guilty pleasure with this show. If you haven't watched 0:51:51.640 --> 0:51:54.960 The Buccaneers yet, think Bridgeton meets the Gilded Age. So 0:51:54.960 --> 0:51:58.920 it's America, it's the eighteen seventies wealthy girls. In the 0:51:58.960 --> 0:52:02.080 first season, we're introduced to this group of girls. They're 0:52:02.120 --> 0:52:05.520 sent to London to procure some wealthy husbands. There's a 0:52:05.520 --> 0:52:08.480 bit of a culture clash and some complicated love triangles 0:52:08.480 --> 0:52:10.880 and all sorts of drama. So season one ended on 0:52:10.920 --> 0:52:13.920 a big cliff cliffhanger and there was a bit of 0:52:13.920 --> 0:52:16.600 a scandal. So now we're back and we're learning the repercussions. 0:52:17.239 --> 0:52:19.680 And look, I know that the show isn't for everyone, 0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:22.000 but I love it so much and so if anyone 0:52:22.080 --> 0:52:25.440 is missing Bridgetton, this is the one that you need 0:52:25.440 --> 0:52:28.200 to watch in between seasons. So this is the Buccaneers 0:52:28.239 --> 0:52:29.520 on Apple TV Plus. 0:52:29.600 --> 0:52:31.799 I was kind of hoping it'd be about pirates, but. 0:52:32.040 --> 0:52:35.719 Unfortunate, I know, a bit of a confusing title. No pirates, 0:52:36.400 --> 0:52:37.680 lots of girls in pretty dresses. 0:52:38.160 --> 0:52:40.080 Well I'll get enough stuff to look at anyway. So 0:52:40.719 --> 0:52:43.280 there's plenty of content there, as they say in the classics. 0:52:43.280 --> 0:52:45.040 Andna great to catch up with you again, of course, 0:52:45.080 --> 0:52:47.320 So when Michael gets back next week, you'll do it again. 0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:48.840 Thank you so much. 0:52:49.040 --> 0:52:51.600 There she is, Anna Corday was screen Talk twenty seven 0:52:51.680 --> 0:52:55.120 past one News coming up and then the great Marsha 0:52:55.239 --> 0:52:57.799 Hines will be in the studio. In my heart will 0:52:57.840 --> 0:53:01.080 skip a beat. But in the meantime we've got an 0:53:01.080 --> 0:53:03.720 interesting yarn came through. We mentioned the influence of social 0:53:03.760 --> 0:53:06.960 media on youth crime in our chat with Jackie a 0:53:07.000 --> 0:53:10.360 little earlier from the Bureau of Statistics in New South Wales. 0:53:10.440 --> 0:53:13.520 Now bit of a setback for the federal government's plan 0:53:13.719 --> 0:53:17.480 to restrict social media for kids under the age of sixteen. Yes, 0:53:17.560 --> 0:53:21.560 remember that they got the legislation through and this social 0:53:21.640 --> 0:53:24.600 media ban which is due to start in December, Well 0:53:24.840 --> 0:53:27.360 they reckon more than twenty million Australians will now be 0:53:27.440 --> 0:53:30.040 required or then be required to demonstrate that they are 0:53:30.080 --> 0:53:32.800 sixteen or older when you log into social media. Okay, 0:53:33.760 --> 0:53:35.560 but the government has been trying to work out in 0:53:35.600 --> 0:53:38.800 the meantime, that is, from the passing of the legislation 0:53:38.880 --> 0:53:41.560 to the implementation of it, how it's all going to work. 0:53:41.800 --> 0:53:44.359 And it's been trialing a bunch of technologies for about 0:53:44.360 --> 0:53:47.000 eight months and so far there are a lot of questions, 0:53:47.840 --> 0:53:51.400 not too many answers yet. For example, the ABC's reporting 0:53:51.440 --> 0:53:55.880 today that children as young as fifteen were repeatedly misidentified 0:53:56.040 --> 0:53:58.680 as being in their twenties and thirties when the government 0:53:58.760 --> 0:54:03.799 was testing age check tools. It's face scanning basically, and 0:54:03.840 --> 0:54:07.560 they've tested it on school students this year and at 0:54:07.600 --> 0:54:10.080 best they could only guess their age within about eighteen 0:54:10.120 --> 0:54:13.479 months in eighty five percent of the cases. The full 0:54:13.480 --> 0:54:16.959 results of the what they call Age Assurance Technology trial 0:54:17.000 --> 0:54:19.479 are not expected to be released until later this year, 0:54:20.160 --> 0:54:22.480 but apparently the experts are a little worried. Some of 0:54:22.520 --> 0:54:25.360 the students at Canberra's John Paul College who previewed the 0:54:25.360 --> 0:54:29.040 technology as part of the trial, were surprised when their 0:54:29.080 --> 0:54:32.719 results were up to decades off the mark. The face 0:54:32.719 --> 0:54:35.520 scanning technology actually thought they were much older than they 0:54:35.560 --> 0:54:38.400 really were. There are a lot of other age estimation 0:54:38.520 --> 0:54:41.520 techniques that rely on things like voice and hand movements 0:54:41.600 --> 0:54:44.480 and even the kinds of things they search for on 0:54:44.640 --> 0:54:49.760 the Internet. Other tools have a higher degree of certainty, 0:54:49.760 --> 0:54:52.799 but that involves a bit of invasion of privacy so 0:54:52.880 --> 0:54:56.320 to speak, you know, third party checks such as banks, schools, 0:54:56.360 --> 0:55:02.960 healthcare providers and even the dreaded drivers license or passport 0:55:03.200 --> 0:55:06.080 indeed for ID. The more we go down that road, 0:55:06.120 --> 0:55:08.560 of course, the more people will complain. So they're trying 0:55:08.560 --> 0:55:11.200 to find simpler ways of identifying people under the age 0:55:11.200 --> 0:55:13.120 of sixteen who are trying to get on the Internet 0:55:13.120 --> 0:55:17.359 are indeed into social media spaces. It looks like there'll 0:55:17.360 --> 0:55:19.680 be a combination of all these measures when they ultimately 0:55:19.680 --> 0:55:21.920 get around to it, and they might do it in stages, 0:55:21.960 --> 0:55:24.360 start with facial recognition and then go on from there 0:55:24.600 --> 0:55:26.799 and get down and deeper into more different ways of 0:55:26.800 --> 0:55:30.440 identifying you. But anyway, a spokesperson for the Communications Minister, 0:55:30.480 --> 0:55:33.400 Anika Wells, has said the government would be guided by 0:55:33.440 --> 0:55:36.200 advice from the E Safety Commissioner on how to implement 0:55:36.239 --> 0:55:38.080 this ban. So I think a lot of people in 0:55:38.120 --> 0:55:40.120 principle thought it was a good idea. How are they 0:55:40.200 --> 0:55:42.759 going to make it work? Little way off yet, will 0:55:42.760 --> 0:55:50.719 find out. News coming up. 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Nrimain Insurance 0:56:41.560 --> 0:56:42.960 a help company. 0:56:43.440 --> 0:56:45.920 And as we discussed yesterday in the Sydney area, pretty 0:56:45.920 --> 0:56:49.120 stable top of seventeen this afternoon mostly sunny again with 0:56:49.239 --> 0:56:52.360 just a light wind here and there. Looking at the 0:56:52.360 --> 0:56:55.400 central tablelands, partly cloudy, had a bit of frost in 0:56:55.400 --> 0:56:58.320 a few places this morning and some fog indeed, also 0:56:58.480 --> 0:57:01.920 light winds. Daytime. Top temperature well, it varies, averaging out 0:57:01.920 --> 0:57:04.240 at thirteen but in some places as low as eleven 0:57:04.520 --> 0:57:08.279 today and others as high as sixteen. That's the central tablelands. 0:57:08.280 --> 0:57:11.720 Looking at the Capitol, also pretty solid but a little 0:57:11.719 --> 0:57:16.360 bit chilly, partly cloudy and a top of eleven degrees, 0:57:16.520 --> 0:57:20.160 light winds northerly fifteen to twenty k's around now. They're 0:57:20.200 --> 0:57:24.160 expecting it in Canberra those wins, but generally rug up. 0:57:24.200 --> 0:57:26.240 I think there'll be a lot of puffer jackets on 0:57:26.280 --> 0:57:29.800 display coming up the Great Marsia heins right here twenty 0:57:29.840 --> 0:57:33.360 four to two A. Doesn't they bring back memories? But 0:57:33.440 --> 0:57:36.240 there are many others too. And have you noticed something 0:57:36.280 --> 0:57:40.240 about that track? Think I think I've detected something about 0:57:40.240 --> 0:57:43.080 that track because I know the song very well. I 0:57:43.080 --> 0:57:45.320 could be wrong. I've been wrong plenty of times before. 0:57:45.360 --> 0:57:48.439 But let's get the person who should know right here 0:57:48.440 --> 0:57:51.120 with us. And I'm very, very excited actually to be 0:57:51.160 --> 0:57:53.120 able to talk to her in the studio. Marsia. Heines, 0:57:53.160 --> 0:57:54.439 thank you so much for coming in. 0:57:54.640 --> 0:57:57.400 My total pleasure. How are you? You're so right though, Yeah, 0:57:57.400 --> 0:57:59.240 we've changed it up a bit. That song. 0:57:59.360 --> 0:58:01.320 It's a little bit bit faster, a little. 0:58:01.080 --> 0:58:04.760 Bit fast, a little bit funkier, a little bit twentieth 0:58:04.760 --> 0:58:05.520 first century? 0:58:05.680 --> 0:58:07.919 Is that because the kids today are faster than we were. 0:58:08.520 --> 0:58:13.040 I don't know. I'm just saying. I'm just saying I 0:58:14.200 --> 0:58:15.840 don't want to. I don't want to even call you 0:58:15.880 --> 0:58:18.480 a music legend because a lot of people get called 0:58:18.520 --> 0:58:21.960 that and that's kind of passe. Really, you are a 0:58:22.040 --> 0:58:25.280 national treasure. I've been listening to you and watching you 0:58:25.360 --> 0:58:27.080 for so long, and we were just saying, I haven't 0:58:27.080 --> 0:58:28.760 seen you for a long time, but I had hair 0:58:28.800 --> 0:58:31.080 the last time we actually ran into each other. But 0:58:31.480 --> 0:58:33.680 over the years doing TV geets and things like that, 0:58:33.800 --> 0:58:37.080 do you remember performing in someone's backyard in Mossman once? 0:58:37.160 --> 0:58:39.280 I think you were working with Channel ten in some 0:58:39.320 --> 0:58:42.560 capacity and there was some station we had a party 0:58:42.560 --> 0:58:45.600 there thing a thing I do, and you were performing 0:58:45.600 --> 0:58:48.040 in the backyard. And I remember my wife saying to 0:58:48.040 --> 0:58:50.120 me at the time. She was there and she said, 0:58:50.120 --> 0:58:52.360 I can't believe this. We've got Marcia Hines performing for 0:58:52.440 --> 0:58:55.880 us with a band in the backyard, and not our backyard. 0:58:55.920 --> 0:58:57.640 I hastened to add it as the sea at the time, 0:58:57.680 --> 0:59:01.120 it was anyway, and she was saying, I bet no 0:59:01.200 --> 0:59:02.800 one's complaining about the noise. 0:59:03.840 --> 0:59:05.320 I hope not, anyway, I hope not. 0:59:06.040 --> 0:59:08.760 Now tell me, I I We've got a lot to 0:59:08.760 --> 0:59:11.280 get through here. You were you were doing a tour 0:59:11.320 --> 0:59:12.360 with Casey Donovan. 0:59:12.480 --> 0:59:13.000 Yes, I am. 0:59:13.600 --> 0:59:16.920 And it's called Marsha's Seeing Summer. And we're not talking 0:59:16.960 --> 0:59:19.560 about the time of year here, No, it's no. 0:59:19.400 --> 0:59:23.440 No, We're talking about donna summer songs. And it's me 0:59:23.600 --> 0:59:27.840 actually paying homage to Donna because I grew up with 0:59:27.880 --> 0:59:33.440 Donna in Boston and Donna became quite famous, but before 0:59:33.440 --> 0:59:36.320 she became famous, her sister was my best friend and 0:59:36.320 --> 0:59:38.640 her name is Linda, and Linda and I hung out 0:59:38.680 --> 0:59:40.960 and Donn was older than us, and you know, like 0:59:41.040 --> 0:59:44.040 when you have a girl around you that's older than you, 0:59:44.040 --> 0:59:46.240 you always tend to go through her things when she 0:59:46.400 --> 0:59:50.560 wasn't home. Yes, we did, and she hated us consequently, 0:59:50.680 --> 0:59:53.240 But Donna left Boston to do a play called Porgy 0:59:53.280 --> 0:59:57.320 and Best in Germany, and then her sister did hair 0:59:57.400 --> 0:59:59.960 in Boston. And Linda said to me, oh, because we 1:00:00.080 --> 1:00:02.520 used to always sing around and do talent shows when 1:00:02.560 --> 1:00:04.440 we were kids. And Linda said, oh, come and do 1:00:04.520 --> 1:00:06.600 hair in Boston with me. It'll be a hoot. And 1:00:06.600 --> 1:00:08.440 I said, I don't really want to stay in Boston. 1:00:08.440 --> 1:00:10.560 I want to go to Chicago or maybe New York 1:00:10.720 --> 1:00:13.280 or LA. But I don't want to go. I don't 1:00:13.320 --> 1:00:15.440 want to just do a show and stay in Boston. 1:00:15.480 --> 1:00:18.400 And so she said, okay, fair enough. So she did 1:00:18.440 --> 1:00:21.720 hair in Boston. And then auditions were held specifically for 1:00:21.840 --> 1:00:25.080 black kids to come to Australia for Harry and Miller. 1:00:25.320 --> 1:00:27.840 Let's do to do hair? And I did the audition 1:00:27.920 --> 1:00:30.560 and about maybe I don't know, it's a bit of 1:00:30.600 --> 1:00:33.600 a day's but I think, you know, like no longer 1:00:33.640 --> 1:00:37.680 than a week and a half hours in Australia. 1:00:36.440 --> 1:00:39.680 And you were just a teenage thinks in fact, didn't 1:00:39.680 --> 1:00:41.959 Harry have to become your guardian something? 1:00:42.440 --> 1:00:43.520 Until I was twenty one. 1:00:43.600 --> 1:00:46.080 Yeah, yeah, good guy, And boy there's been a lot 1:00:46.080 --> 1:00:47.000 happened since then. 1:00:46.880 --> 1:00:50.320 You bet, yeah, you know, and look, I look back 1:00:50.360 --> 1:00:53.320 on it and I'm so grateful for the opportunities that 1:00:53.400 --> 1:00:56.640 have arisen, and I'm just glad I grabbed them and 1:00:56.720 --> 1:00:58.600 I did what I could. And you know, you never know, 1:00:58.680 --> 1:01:00.560 you know what I mean. I didn't come to Australia 1:01:00.600 --> 1:01:02.920 to be famous. I just came for six months and 1:01:02.960 --> 1:01:03.600 I'm still here. 1:01:03.680 --> 1:01:05.200 But well, I think we got the better end of 1:01:05.200 --> 1:01:08.120 the deal, Marshia. Just between us, it was our win. 1:01:08.360 --> 1:01:09.040 It was our win. 1:01:09.400 --> 1:01:09.480 You. 1:01:09.760 --> 1:01:13.360 I want to talk a little bit about Donna Summer too, 1:01:13.440 --> 1:01:16.920 because you know, again just checking back, I was spinning 1:01:16.920 --> 1:01:19.280 her discs when I was a DJ, just starting out, 1:01:19.320 --> 1:01:21.360 trying to find a job in radio, a long, long 1:01:21.400 --> 1:01:25.000 time ago. And it's interesting. I will talk in a 1:01:25.000 --> 1:01:27.320 bit more detailed about music of the seventies. I want 1:01:27.320 --> 1:01:30.320 to talk about that because I'm a bit snobby. The 1:01:31.200 --> 1:01:33.520 Donna's sometimes referred to as queen of disco. 1:01:33.640 --> 1:01:35.840 Now I think she was if you think about it, 1:01:35.920 --> 1:01:38.320 because you know, I remember when we were in Boston 1:01:38.360 --> 1:01:40.240 and I first heard Love to Love Your Baby. We 1:01:40.280 --> 1:01:41.800 all went, oh, Donna. 1:01:42.080 --> 1:01:42.840 That was saucy. 1:01:42.880 --> 1:01:44.720 There was saucy because we were all brought up in church. 1:01:44.760 --> 1:01:47.160 You know, most black kids in America brought up in church. 1:01:47.200 --> 1:01:50.080 And we couldn't believe Donna done that. We were thought, 1:01:50.080 --> 1:01:53.880 but that's really cool. But Donna, you make it in 1:01:53.920 --> 1:01:56.760 trouble by your parents for singing like that. But yeah, 1:01:56.800 --> 1:01:58.600 and then you know, I mean she just set a 1:01:58.640 --> 1:02:01.720 standard and agreed standard. You know, it's funny when you 1:02:01.760 --> 1:02:05.120 look at careers. I think Donna was like, really one 1:02:05.200 --> 1:02:08.480 of the best people to come out of Boston besides 1:02:08.520 --> 1:02:12.280 Bete Davis, Bete Davis from New England. Yeah, but yeah, 1:02:12.320 --> 1:02:14.920 I think Donna really put Boston on the. 1:02:14.880 --> 1:02:18.120 Map, and I think people need to know because there's 1:02:18.160 --> 1:02:21.400 a lot of depth, a lot of bands and artists. Yes, 1:02:21.560 --> 1:02:25.440 did disco back then, Yes, it is, you know, frowned 1:02:25.480 --> 1:02:28.080 upon by some people in hindsight, but there was good 1:02:28.120 --> 1:02:32.080 disco and bad disco like anything else. We had jazz musicians, yes, 1:02:32.120 --> 1:02:34.960 putting out disco albums and records back in the day, 1:02:35.000 --> 1:02:37.200 and there was some really cool stuff. It just happened 1:02:37.240 --> 1:02:39.280 to have a different beat. And Donna had a lot 1:02:39.280 --> 1:02:40.320 of depth to a performance. 1:02:40.520 --> 1:02:42.400 I think so but I have a theory about the 1:02:42.400 --> 1:02:45.400 disco era, and that would be because we'd gone through 1:02:45.440 --> 1:02:48.440 a very heavy time being the Vietnam. 1:02:48.000 --> 1:02:50.720 War, of course, and the war was over. 1:02:50.760 --> 1:02:52.720 And then all of a sudden, you know, there was 1:02:52.720 --> 1:02:56.840 a thing called disco with bad fashion, interesting music shoes 1:02:56.880 --> 1:02:58.560 that it was so high you could fall over and 1:02:58.640 --> 1:03:01.440 kill yourself in, you know. But it was a wonderful time, 1:03:01.480 --> 1:03:03.600 and I think we needed some joy after, you know, 1:03:03.880 --> 1:03:06.720 such a tumultuous time with the Vietnam War. Because when 1:03:06.720 --> 1:03:09.480 I came to Australia, I met so many soldiers who 1:03:09.560 --> 1:03:13.560 had served, who were coming to Sydney for R and 1:03:13.680 --> 1:03:16.160 R and then sent back to America. Yeah, we heard 1:03:16.200 --> 1:03:21.479 some you know, pretty heroing stories. And also it kind 1:03:21.480 --> 1:03:24.680 of made us feel with doing the play hair, we 1:03:24.680 --> 1:03:26.959 were doing the right thing because that was a great 1:03:27.000 --> 1:03:29.600 demonstration for us about the Vietnam War. 1:03:29.760 --> 1:03:33.040 Yeah, good point. Again, a lot of depth to that show, 1:03:33.560 --> 1:03:36.360 more so than it appeared. And talking about the depth 1:03:36.360 --> 1:03:38.320 in Donna's music, the reason I brought that up is 1:03:38.360 --> 1:03:40.720 because she did a lot of other stuff besides disco. 1:03:40.800 --> 1:03:43.000 In fact, some of her albums were quite sophisticated. 1:03:43.040 --> 1:03:46.840 Oh yeah, fine, singer do you have a favorite particular 1:03:46.880 --> 1:03:50.720 song's song, I like, I'm State of Independent. Oh yes, 1:03:50.800 --> 1:03:51.919 that's one of my favorite ones. 1:03:51.960 --> 1:03:53.439 Yeah, yeah, that is a bit that was a big 1:03:53.920 --> 1:03:54.919 Was that her biggest hitle? 1:03:55.040 --> 1:03:58.040 Because well a thing loved to love your Baby, of course, 1:03:59.560 --> 1:04:01.439 but I think she did very well. Then she did 1:04:01.440 --> 1:04:04.840 some big time writing with the guys in London who 1:04:04.920 --> 1:04:08.720 wrote for Kylie Minogue, you know, ah right, yeah. 1:04:08.560 --> 1:04:11.760 So that's a big deal. Is that thinking about your 1:04:11.760 --> 1:04:15.280 own career as well? Is hooking up with good songwriters. 1:04:15.360 --> 1:04:17.360 You never know. You hope for the best, you know. 1:04:17.680 --> 1:04:20.840 I mean I had great I write myself, but I 1:04:20.880 --> 1:04:23.480 had great people like Jimmy Web writing for me, you know. 1:04:23.560 --> 1:04:25.960 And when you get a Jimmy Web song, there's a 1:04:26.000 --> 1:04:29.560 Masha Han song, I'd rather sing Jimmy because Jimmy's just 1:04:29.640 --> 1:04:31.000 He's like one of my idols. 1:04:31.080 --> 1:04:33.840 He keeps cropping up. Every time you talk to an 1:04:33.960 --> 1:04:38.120 artist who's had success in that era, Jimmy Webb comes 1:04:38.200 --> 1:04:39.400 up in the conversation a lot. 1:04:39.600 --> 1:04:41.720 Yes, and I'm donea saying MacArthur. 1:04:41.360 --> 1:04:44.040 Park of course. Oh yeah, yeah, I. 1:04:44.000 --> 1:04:46.520 Mean a good songwriter. Is this nothing like Brett Backerach, 1:04:46.560 --> 1:04:48.680 you know those people Paul mccarttey were talking about Paul 1:04:48.720 --> 1:04:51.280 mc cotty, the Beatles, good music, and you know, it's 1:04:51.320 --> 1:04:53.840 all storytelling at the end of the day. So you 1:04:53.920 --> 1:04:56.000 hear something that resonates with you and you tell the 1:04:56.040 --> 1:04:58.320 story with your voice. It's a beautiful thing to do. 1:04:59.200 --> 1:05:04.200 I was playing a seventies track the other day at home. 1:05:05.240 --> 1:05:07.720 It was an Ambrosia song. Oh yes, one of those 1:05:07.720 --> 1:05:10.640 bands that didn't really get a massive profile. You could 1:05:10.800 --> 1:05:13.120 argue there are a one hit wonder, but they actually yeah, 1:05:13.160 --> 1:05:14.960 but they actually did some pretty good stuff, but they 1:05:15.000 --> 1:05:16.520 were There were just so many good acts around in 1:05:16.520 --> 1:05:17.000 those days. 1:05:17.040 --> 1:05:17.680 Is yeah. 1:05:17.720 --> 1:05:19.400 And I was living in LA at that point in time, 1:05:19.480 --> 1:05:21.560 so there were incredible bands like. 1:05:21.560 --> 1:05:23.760 Total Yeah, you know, similar band. 1:05:23.600 --> 1:05:26.600 Incredible music that was happening out of LA. But I think, 1:05:26.640 --> 1:05:28.840 you know, like I said, you know that whole hippie 1:05:28.880 --> 1:05:32.280 revolution with people like Jimmy Hendrickson. You know, you got 1:05:32.280 --> 1:05:36.200 Fleetwood Mac. I listened to music a lot. The best 1:05:36.240 --> 1:05:38.400 thing about listening to music, I always hear something new 1:05:38.440 --> 1:05:41.320 in every track. Oh I didn't hear that before, you know, 1:05:41.400 --> 1:05:43.680 So I tend to listen, But I do tend to listen. 1:05:44.160 --> 1:05:47.560 I drove my family crazy listening to music. 1:05:48.040 --> 1:05:50.200 I'll get back to that point after the break, but 1:05:50.280 --> 1:05:52.840 before the break, I wanted to also say that when 1:05:52.880 --> 1:05:57.360 I played that track, my son said, I know that song, 1:05:58.360 --> 1:06:00.720 and I said, I bet it was remix somewhere by 1:06:00.720 --> 1:06:03.840 somebody because he likes rap. Of course he does same, 1:06:05.120 --> 1:06:08.080 And sure enough he played me a track where someone 1:06:08.080 --> 1:06:12.280 had remixed a chorus from this Ambrosia song and which 1:06:12.280 --> 1:06:14.120 I believe it's just gone off the I can't think 1:06:14.160 --> 1:06:15.440 of which song it was at the moment, but it 1:06:15.480 --> 1:06:18.040 doesn't matter. I wanted to ask you too, this is 1:06:18.080 --> 1:06:20.520 your own remix of your own song. But how many 1:06:20.520 --> 1:06:23.240 songs from your ear that that real hub in the 1:06:23.240 --> 1:06:25.360 seventies and eighties have been sampled now? 1:06:25.840 --> 1:06:26.240 A lot? 1:06:26.320 --> 1:06:28.080 And that's a good thing. That means that the music 1:06:28.120 --> 1:06:29.600 that you've chosen is good music. 1:06:29.960 --> 1:06:30.160 You know. 1:06:30.200 --> 1:06:33.320 You don't sample bad stuff, do you, you know? Yeah, 1:06:33.360 --> 1:06:36.520 So it's good and it resonates obviously with an audience 1:06:36.800 --> 1:06:39.680 then and now, and that's what you can only dream 1:06:39.680 --> 1:06:41.720 of as a musician, dream of it. 1:06:42.040 --> 1:06:44.080 We'll take a quick break. Marsh's going to stay with us, 1:06:44.120 --> 1:06:46.280 which is very kind of you, and we'll talk about 1:06:46.320 --> 1:06:48.600 your tour, where you're going in all those things, and Casey, 1:06:48.640 --> 1:06:50.800 your relationship with Casey will also I want to get 1:06:50.840 --> 1:06:52.320 a little bit more, just not in a lot of 1:06:52.320 --> 1:06:54.400 detail because it don't sound like a cranky old man, 1:06:54.440 --> 1:06:57.800 but just how good that music was and why back 1:06:57.800 --> 1:07:00.320 in those days eleven to two, where privilege to talk 1:07:00.320 --> 1:07:02.480 to the great Marsha. Heines this afternoon and all the 1:07:02.480 --> 1:07:05.320 texts coming through, wonderful to hear. Marsha had the pleasure 1:07:05.320 --> 1:07:09.000 a few brief meeting system, a beautiful soul, some lovely 1:07:09.040 --> 1:07:12.160 comments coming through. Marsha the queen of Australian music, stunning, 1:07:13.040 --> 1:07:15.480 all that kind of stuff. Bill, it seems we both 1:07:15.480 --> 1:07:18.240 have a crush on Marsha, says Mitch. These are well, 1:07:18.280 --> 1:07:20.520 I think she's I think she's spoken for Mitch, so 1:07:20.720 --> 1:07:26.120 you know, but anyway, hang in there, mate, keep the faith, 1:07:26.240 --> 1:07:29.120 you know. Listen, Marsha, we got another text which is 1:07:29.160 --> 1:07:32.480 in capital letters. It's break streaming it, that's screaming, yeah, 1:07:32.560 --> 1:07:34.800 breaking news. It says, can you confirm or deny? This 1:07:34.880 --> 1:07:38.000 is to me that during those disco years way back, 1:07:38.040 --> 1:07:40.160 did you ever own and wear a pair of flares? Well, 1:07:40.200 --> 1:07:41.920 the answer is yes, and not only that, but I 1:07:41.920 --> 1:07:43.640 had a pair of platform shoes as well. 1:07:43.800 --> 1:07:45.520 But you got to tell them the color purple. 1:07:46.760 --> 1:07:47.440 How bad was that? 1:07:48.160 --> 1:07:50.160 It's pretty bad. But we're talking about clothes, you know, 1:07:50.200 --> 1:07:53.800 and I just reckon staying alone by the Beg's was 1:07:53.840 --> 1:07:56.760 such a big song because of what those guys wore 1:07:57.240 --> 1:07:59.640 and we are. I remember we had floored a ceiling 1:07:59.680 --> 1:08:01.680 screen in one of the discothechts I used to go to, 1:08:01.920 --> 1:08:04.520 and we'd all we'd be dancing and then they'd come 1:08:04.600 --> 1:08:06.200 up and we're just sort of standing here with her 1:08:06.280 --> 1:08:09.520 arms crossed, proving at the border truth of a matter. 1:08:10.560 --> 1:08:14.200 Yeah, well, that's all right, it was I. I'll come 1:08:14.240 --> 1:08:15.640 back to that because I don't want to wate store. 1:08:15.640 --> 1:08:17.040 I get about five minutes, so I want to make 1:08:17.080 --> 1:08:18.960 sure we get through. Tell us about the tour, tell 1:08:19.000 --> 1:08:21.320 us about Casey, how it came about where you're going. 1:08:21.439 --> 1:08:25.400 Sure, So I'm Casey Donovan actually won Austraian Idol, and 1:08:25.479 --> 1:08:28.000 Casey Donovan remains one of the nicest kids I've mat 1:08:28.640 --> 1:08:30.760 not a kid, she's a woman, but she's just a 1:08:30.880 --> 1:08:35.240 solid human being and I'm looking forward to singing with her. 1:08:35.280 --> 1:08:37.360 I'm looking forward to working with We did a song 1:08:37.400 --> 1:08:40.479 on Idol just recently. She's just a solid human being, 1:08:40.520 --> 1:08:43.439 you know, and she's a very gifted girl. And yeah, 1:08:43.479 --> 1:08:46.920 it's gonna be fun. It's gonna be We're gonna do Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide, 1:08:46.960 --> 1:08:49.000 Brisbane and Perth, so should should be. 1:08:49.280 --> 1:08:51.719 And the full Summer song book most of. 1:08:51.600 --> 1:08:53.880 It, not the full one, the ones that everybody knows, 1:08:53.880 --> 1:08:57.080 because it's funny because I'm studying now, and I'm studying 1:08:57.120 --> 1:08:59.160 and there's so many songs. So I say to my 1:08:59.240 --> 1:09:02.240 Google thing, play a Donna Summers station and some of 1:09:02.240 --> 1:09:04.519 the songs I've never heard of in my life before 1:09:04.560 --> 1:09:06.559 I go on, I have a puppy. I have a 1:09:06.600 --> 1:09:10.599 new puppy and he's just about seven or maybe about 1:09:10.920 --> 1:09:12.800 four months four and a half months old. His name 1:09:12.840 --> 1:09:13.600 is Brother. 1:09:14.840 --> 1:09:15.640 R A t h A. 1:09:16.000 --> 1:09:18.680 And because I have a cat called Sister s I 1:09:18.880 --> 1:09:22.200 s t EH. Anyway, I leave the radio on for them, 1:09:22.800 --> 1:09:27.240 and I listened to g B and Hi, guys, I 1:09:27.240 --> 1:09:30.120 wish I had a camera. That's me. 1:09:30.479 --> 1:09:32.439 They'll be happy that mom's listening. 1:09:32.479 --> 1:09:33.040 Yeah, that's it. 1:09:33.479 --> 1:09:37.599 Are you going to sing? Heaven knows? Steve requested, there 1:09:37.600 --> 1:09:40.360 you go, Steve, that's good and look, I want to 1:09:40.400 --> 1:09:43.559 get back to the sampling and the reason why I 1:09:43.600 --> 1:09:46.400 brought that up and the remix of you right, is 1:09:46.439 --> 1:09:49.519 that despite the fact that people you know might sniff 1:09:49.560 --> 1:09:52.439 a disco, the seventies and eighties was a hub of 1:09:52.479 --> 1:09:55.920 amazing music, amazing songwriting and music mentioned Jimmy Wab of 1:09:55.920 --> 1:09:59.080 course there are many others. We had a little celebration 1:09:59.120 --> 1:10:02.479 of Paul McCartney today because it turned eighty three. Now. 1:10:03.400 --> 1:10:05.759 It was such a high standard and I am still 1:10:05.840 --> 1:10:08.280 I admit I'm still digging back into the seventies to 1:10:08.320 --> 1:10:10.320 find stuff that I didn't even have time to listen 1:10:10.360 --> 1:10:10.880 to Marshall. 1:10:10.920 --> 1:10:12.840 But that's that's a great thing about growing older. You 1:10:12.880 --> 1:10:16.439 have now you're busy bringing up a family and making 1:10:16.439 --> 1:10:18.679 a career for yourself, and now you can and that's 1:10:18.720 --> 1:10:20.840 the greatest thing. You know, music. I was saying to 1:10:20.880 --> 1:10:24.640 the girls out outside about music. And just like we have, 1:10:25.240 --> 1:10:27.880 our nose have got a memory, Our noses have got 1:10:27.880 --> 1:10:30.280 a memory of smell. I think our ears have got 1:10:30.320 --> 1:10:36.439 an incredible library of sounds. And I remember most songs 1:10:36.479 --> 1:10:38.840 I hear. I know where I was, I know what 1:10:38.880 --> 1:10:41.160 I was doing, and I think that's a beautiful thing. 1:10:41.240 --> 1:10:44.160 It's a large part of the tapestry of our lives music. 1:10:44.080 --> 1:10:46.200 And you had such a great array of songs as 1:10:46.240 --> 1:10:48.480 well as the stuff you write yourself and what inspired 1:10:48.520 --> 1:10:51.040 you to write back then, And I think Sting put 1:10:51.080 --> 1:10:57.439 it well in an interview. We both know, oh what, Yeah, 1:10:57.479 --> 1:10:59.400 he did some good stuff, there's no doubt about that. 1:10:59.439 --> 1:11:01.160 But he made a comment in an interview with Rick 1:11:01.160 --> 1:11:03.599 Piarto on YouTube. He does a music channel on YouTube, 1:11:03.800 --> 1:11:06.439 and he said, I want a song to surprise me. 1:11:06.520 --> 1:11:08.000 In other words, when you're listening to it, you go 1:11:08.080 --> 1:11:10.559 at some stage, oh wow, I didn't know that. Yeah, 1:11:10.560 --> 1:11:13.520 I didn't know that was on whether it's an instrument 1:11:13.600 --> 1:11:16.080 or a part of the melody, the hook, it's just 1:11:16.439 --> 1:11:18.040 and there was so much of that back then. 1:11:18.240 --> 1:11:19.960 But also, you know, when I hear a song or 1:11:19.960 --> 1:11:23.160 if I sing, and I like working with other singers 1:11:23.400 --> 1:11:25.880 because they'll sing something so totally different to the way 1:11:25.920 --> 1:11:28.280 I would interpret it. And that's why I'm looking forward 1:11:28.320 --> 1:11:29.240 to working with Casey. 1:11:29.640 --> 1:11:32.639 Yeah, that that'll be and you're going to do mixture 1:11:32.640 --> 1:11:33.759 of jewets and other stuff. 1:11:34.040 --> 1:11:37.479 Absolutely, we'll be there for the whole two hours or whatever, 1:11:37.680 --> 1:11:40.719 and we'll have a full band and we'll have singers 1:11:40.720 --> 1:11:42.439 and horn players should be wonderful. 1:11:42.520 --> 1:11:43.960 And that was the other thing too that I mentioned 1:11:44.000 --> 1:11:46.400 to my son in that little conversation about remixes and 1:11:46.400 --> 1:11:49.879 stuff and sampling, is the harmonies in those days were amazing. 1:11:50.080 --> 1:11:51.479 I think people just took them for granted. 1:11:51.600 --> 1:11:56.519 Well you think the total yes, yep, tennsec Doobie Brothers. 1:11:56.520 --> 1:11:57.840 It goes on and on. A lot of that was 1:11:57.840 --> 1:11:59.439 down to Ham. It doesn't matter what kind of music 1:11:59.479 --> 1:12:03.720 it is. Have Have you gone back to Idol for 1:12:03.760 --> 1:12:05.200 next year? Is that gonna have again? 1:12:05.439 --> 1:12:07.920 I'm blessed. I'm doing Idle again and it's the most 1:12:08.040 --> 1:12:10.559 enjoyable show. And I was saying to somebody today, the 1:12:10.600 --> 1:12:13.559 thing is I came here at sixteen. Please everybody remember this. 1:12:13.720 --> 1:12:16.000 I was a kid and that was a pain. And 1:12:16.240 --> 1:12:18.680 I'm very inquisitive by nature. And all I ever did 1:12:18.800 --> 1:12:21.840 was ask people like Regg Livermore and John Waters, how 1:12:21.880 --> 1:12:23.439 do you do that? If I were to do that, 1:12:23.479 --> 1:12:26.080 blah blah blah. And they never closed their dressing room 1:12:26.120 --> 1:12:28.280 door on me. They never said, Masha, go away, you 1:12:28.400 --> 1:12:31.960 being a pain. They always fed me with the information 1:12:32.080 --> 1:12:34.000 I needed. And that's what you see me doing to 1:12:34.040 --> 1:12:35.720 the kids on idol, Do you know what I mean? 1:12:35.800 --> 1:12:39.040 I think kindness breeds kindness and you know, and it's 1:12:39.080 --> 1:12:41.280 my pleasure to work with the kids. And there's such 1:12:41.479 --> 1:12:44.439 game individuals. I don't know if I would have done it. 1:12:44.479 --> 1:12:47.400 I don't know, but I don't do hypothetical thinking. But 1:12:47.439 --> 1:12:49.160 I don't know if I would have done it. 1:12:49.160 --> 1:12:52.880 It's uh, I think you would have. But it's a 1:12:52.880 --> 1:12:55.360 small market here. But there's so much talent, isn't there. 1:12:55.600 --> 1:13:00.440 Okay, So my soapbox, so my soapboxes. If only as 1:13:01.160 --> 1:13:06.280 took music as seriously as they take sport, nobody in 1:13:06.320 --> 1:13:08.639 the world could touch us because it's just so eclectic. 1:13:08.680 --> 1:13:13.599 We've got such fine musicians in this country, just so cool, 1:13:13.640 --> 1:13:16.000 and they're allowed to be themselves because we're so far 1:13:16.080 --> 1:13:18.880 away news I'll say Australian and New Zealand. You know, 1:13:19.240 --> 1:13:22.360 there's some great musicians. The combination of the two countries 1:13:22.439 --> 1:13:23.320 is outstanding. 1:13:23.520 --> 1:13:25.920 Yeah. I love jazz and I feel for the very 1:13:25.960 --> 1:13:28.559 talented jazz musicians here that just really don't have a market. 1:13:29.040 --> 1:13:32.120 They have to leave. Marsha, we're out of time. Gee, 1:13:32.160 --> 1:13:33.800 that went quickly for me. I hope it did for you. 1:13:33.880 --> 1:13:36.160 Listening to us. Marsha Heines has been wonderful. 1:13:35.840 --> 1:13:37.960 To catch up and I want to thank everybody onto 1:13:38.040 --> 1:13:40.720 GB because you guys keep me company. Basically twenty four 1:13:40.720 --> 1:13:42.680 to seven, I find out my news and all that 1:13:42.720 --> 1:13:45.000 sort of stuff and thanks well. 1:13:45.000 --> 1:13:47.599 Whether it's me or Michael or anyone, we'll definitely get 1:13:47.680 --> 1:13:48.519 my love to Michael. 1:13:48.600 --> 1:13:49.519 My love to Michael. 1:13:49.760 --> 1:13:51.719 We'll pass it on. I think he might be listening. 1:13:51.760 --> 1:13:54.360 We'll find out later on Thank you, Marsha god blass. 1:13:54.800 --> 1:13:57.160 Lots more texts have come in about Marcia Hines. We'll 1:13:57.160 --> 1:14:00.160 get back to the text line on that in a 1:14:00.200 --> 1:14:02.160 few minutes time. I've got the news coming up. Then 1:14:02.200 --> 1:14:05.080 we'll talk to Jim Haynes. Yes, he's back the Historian 1:14:05.160 --> 1:14:08.000 to do Sydney Side as his regular segment on the 1:14:08.000 --> 1:14:10.120 Michael McLaren Show. That's coming up after the. 1:14:10.080 --> 1:14:15.160 News now onto GB and network stations. He'm back to 1:14:15.360 --> 1:14:18.320 afternoons with Bill Woods filling. 1:14:17.960 --> 1:14:19.560 In from Michael McLaren. 1:14:20.680 --> 1:14:22.600 I hope you're having a wonderful afternoon. Thank you very 1:14:22.680 --> 1:14:25.639 much for joining us this afternoon. Hope you're well too, 1:14:25.920 --> 1:14:28.519 and we've had a lot of great feedback today. It's 1:14:28.560 --> 1:14:32.000 a very interesting commentary and particularly on what you may 1:14:32.000 --> 1:14:35.120 have heard in the news about the official New South 1:14:35.120 --> 1:14:38.400 Wales statistics from the view of crime statistics and research 1:14:38.439 --> 1:14:40.839 on the level of youth crime and the interesting theories 1:14:40.840 --> 1:14:43.320 as to why they're not as bad as we all 1:14:43.360 --> 1:14:47.040 thought that'd be. And a couple of those do certainly 1:14:47.120 --> 1:14:50.000 hold up from police officers who texted in saying, well, 1:14:50.280 --> 1:14:53.840 these kids aren't getting registered because they're not even getting 1:14:53.920 --> 1:14:55.800 arrested in a lot of cases. I thought that was 1:14:55.920 --> 1:15:00.280 very interesting feedback, and I regret not pursuing that though 1:15:00.520 --> 1:15:04.920 I suspect that Jackie Fitzgerald, the executive director we spoke to, 1:15:06.120 --> 1:15:09.519 would not even know about those sorts of things not 1:15:09.680 --> 1:15:12.760 being part of the statistics that are presented to her. 1:15:13.560 --> 1:15:16.559 And another theory was that a lot of people are 1:15:16.600 --> 1:15:19.920 basically giving up on youth crime in that they're not 1:15:19.960 --> 1:15:22.519 even reporting it in the first place. So there you 1:15:22.560 --> 1:15:24.880 go a couple of interesting theories borne out by people 1:15:24.880 --> 1:15:27.200 who claim to be on the ground and know these things. 1:15:27.280 --> 1:15:30.520 So fair enough, thank you for that. It's been very enlightening. 1:15:30.800 --> 1:15:33.160 You may be equally skeptical when we talk later in 1:15:33.160 --> 1:15:36.439 this hour about how much CEOs are being paid. Some 1:15:36.560 --> 1:15:40.160 research came out about that today, so we'll get onto 1:15:40.200 --> 1:15:44.640 that as well in the short term, just quickly. So 1:15:44.840 --> 1:15:47.240 a lot of great texts about Marsha Hines and our 1:15:47.320 --> 1:15:49.479 chat with her. Thank you for all the feedback on that, 1:15:49.880 --> 1:15:53.519 and a couple of specific ones from Leanne. Music really 1:15:53.520 --> 1:15:56.360 does bring so much emotion. I've been listening to Toto lately. 1:15:56.560 --> 1:16:00.320 Boy am I appreciating the incredible songs they had. Miss 1:16:00.439 --> 1:16:04.640 Hines simply, says Cameron, and someone who met Marsha on 1:16:04.680 --> 1:16:07.960 a plane quite as flight sat next to her. She 1:16:07.960 --> 1:16:10.160 said she was delightful, chattered all the way and I 1:16:10.240 --> 1:16:13.639 felt special and told everyone I met her for years. 1:16:14.120 --> 1:16:17.760 So a lot of anticipation for her summer tour. Right now, 1:16:17.800 --> 1:16:19.840 at nine past two, let's get into ale bit of 1:16:19.840 --> 1:16:20.639 Sydney history. 1:16:21.000 --> 1:16:24.840 There were history makers, frauds and fakers, ladies and renowned 1:16:25.439 --> 1:16:27.880 good ones, bad ones. Quite a few bad ones lived 1:16:27.880 --> 1:16:32.080 in Sydney Town. There were fascinating characters, convicts, Parrister's servants 1:16:32.080 --> 1:16:35.439 of them around Conman, strong men, all the wrong men. 1:16:35.520 --> 1:16:37.280 There's a ton of them, and every. 1:16:37.000 --> 1:16:41.240 One of them lived in Sydneytown. Now on Afternoons Sydney 1:16:42.080 --> 1:16:43.160 with Jim Haynes. 1:16:43.800 --> 1:16:46.160 Yes, and feel free to call up too if Jim 1:16:46.200 --> 1:16:48.920 prompts any wonderful memories. Good to catch up with you, mate. 1:16:48.800 --> 1:16:52.960 Yes, nice to see you again. And I did hear 1:16:53.000 --> 1:16:56.960 your comment about being excited about Marsha coming in and 1:16:57.479 --> 1:17:00.120 not quite so excited about I perfectly. 1:17:00.160 --> 1:17:06.600 Stand forgive me, forgive me particularly Sorry that was just 1:17:06.640 --> 1:17:08.719 say you and I were reminiscent Sturre in the news. 1:17:09.000 --> 1:17:11.519 It's about being pulled up and cautioned by a listener 1:17:11.960 --> 1:17:13.800 for giggling too much on air one day. 1:17:13.880 --> 1:17:16.200 Yeah, so we think she might be the listener who 1:17:16.200 --> 1:17:18.920 complains a lot. But never mind, we were giggling. I 1:17:19.000 --> 1:17:24.439 know that was very funny, Bill, Yes, we thought it was. Anyway. Look, 1:17:24.479 --> 1:17:27.040 today I was thinking I'm coming in, I'm listening to Marsha. 1:17:27.120 --> 1:17:30.679 You know, last week we spoke about this amazing Aura 1:17:31.600 --> 1:17:36.639 woman who has been Along's third wife Boo wrong. And 1:17:36.680 --> 1:17:41.080 we've had some incredible, colorful characters. So and I'm afraid 1:17:41.160 --> 1:17:45.680 today's Sydney Sider is you know, he's maybe not, but 1:17:45.880 --> 1:17:49.479 by g he's one of those blokes who makes me 1:17:49.520 --> 1:17:52.880 feel tired. And you see in the notes that I've done, 1:17:52.960 --> 1:17:55.640 I've split I've split him up into all of His 1:17:55.840 --> 1:18:02.280 name was Sir Charles Kinkaid Kinnaird, sorry, so Charles Kinnaird mckella. 1:18:02.600 --> 1:18:05.639 And he lived from eighteen forty four to nineteen twenty six. 1:18:06.000 --> 1:18:09.760 Now there's a few surprises I'm going to save up 1:18:09.800 --> 1:18:13.280 to the end. But he was a physician, a politician, 1:18:13.560 --> 1:18:17.519 a businessman and a social reformer. And any one of 1:18:17.560 --> 1:18:21.599 these careers or interests that he had would have taken 1:18:21.840 --> 1:18:24.520 a normal person a lifetime's energy. 1:18:24.840 --> 1:18:26.719 But there are people like this Bill. 1:18:27.560 --> 1:18:30.600 You look at what they've done and how they affected 1:18:30.760 --> 1:18:34.320 And of course this guy did so much for the 1:18:34.320 --> 1:18:37.120 city of Sydney. He was a true Sydney sider. We'll 1:18:37.160 --> 1:18:39.599 look at that in a second. But what he did 1:18:39.640 --> 1:18:43.800 to change this city is just remarkable. And yet he 1:18:43.920 --> 1:18:46.760 comes across as a fairly sort of I don't know, 1:18:46.800 --> 1:18:49.800 I dare dan say, you know, a boring life, but 1:18:49.840 --> 1:18:53.439 it certainly was not. So let's get started. He was 1:18:53.439 --> 1:18:58.080 born in Sydney in eighteen forty four. He was the 1:18:58.120 --> 1:19:02.640 only son of fred Rick McKellar. Now he was the 1:19:03.040 --> 1:19:08.919 first He was a pioneer physician and he was actually 1:19:08.960 --> 1:19:12.000 the first, one of the first doctors at the Sydney 1:19:12.000 --> 1:19:15.479 Hospital way back when it was called the Dispensary, you know. 1:19:16.000 --> 1:19:21.920 So he was a pioneer himself. And Charles's mum was 1:19:22.200 --> 1:19:28.320 Isabella and she was a Robertson and because she was 1:19:28.320 --> 1:19:30.799 a widow, and she was a widow of an amazing 1:19:30.840 --> 1:19:35.840 person who we could talk about named William Garvey. So 1:19:36.080 --> 1:19:40.760 there were pioneer families all through this family tree, and 1:19:40.880 --> 1:19:44.479 mostly Scottish. The Scots came out here and did very well. 1:19:44.520 --> 1:19:46.439 The Irish came out here and drank a lot. 1:19:47.080 --> 1:19:50.840 So I'm glad to said that because I'm a Scottish mostly. 1:19:50.920 --> 1:19:51.880 Well so is my wife. 1:19:51.960 --> 1:19:54.080 So I've got to say that whatever we talk about 1:19:54.080 --> 1:19:58.280 anything Scottish, it has to be they were wonderful. Now 1:19:58.520 --> 1:20:01.400 let's get back to Charles anyway, eighteen forty four, so 1:20:01.560 --> 1:20:04.840 he's educated at Sydney Grammar. Sydney and Sydney Grammar was 1:20:04.920 --> 1:20:07.639 up and running, you know when he was a kid 1:20:07.720 --> 1:20:10.240 that was it as prestigious, but it would have been 1:20:10.520 --> 1:20:13.960 not only prestigious, but they're probably one of only two 1:20:14.080 --> 1:20:18.840 or three schools that you know, where you could go 1:20:18.920 --> 1:20:23.679 to high school. His family moved for a while when 1:20:23.680 --> 1:20:26.800 he was a teenager just left school up to Port mcquarie. 1:20:26.840 --> 1:20:29.719 So they had property, and they had a lot of property, 1:20:29.840 --> 1:20:33.400 and later on we'll find out he married into more property. 1:20:33.960 --> 1:20:38.960 So you know, he wasn't exactly you know, working class land. 1:20:39.080 --> 1:20:42.599 But off he goes up to Port mcquarie and there 1:20:42.640 --> 1:20:45.200 he learned about, you know, living on the land and 1:20:45.240 --> 1:20:48.200 he became a pioneer pastoralist in his own right, owned 1:20:48.240 --> 1:20:53.439 a lot of rural property. But he then goes off 1:20:53.479 --> 1:20:58.599 to Scotland and he gets his degree in medicine at 1:20:58.640 --> 1:21:02.760 Glasgow Universe Glasgow, and this was a common thing. I 1:21:02.800 --> 1:21:06.840 know a number of other pioneer Scottish people, including the 1:21:06.880 --> 1:21:10.800 poet Charles Souter, they did the same. They went back 1:21:10.840 --> 1:21:14.920 to Scotland to be educated, then came back to Australia. 1:21:15.080 --> 1:21:17.320 So he's back in Sydney. He's registered with. 1:21:17.280 --> 1:21:21.519 The Medical Board of New South Wales in eighteen seventy 1:21:21.600 --> 1:21:27.680 five and he becomes honorary surgeon at the Sydney Infirmary 1:21:27.760 --> 1:21:29.840 and Dispensary. 1:21:29.040 --> 1:21:31.559 Which was later the Sydney Hospital. 1:21:31.600 --> 1:21:35.719 That's the one that was built for Macquarie. The Rum 1:21:35.760 --> 1:21:40.479 Hospital merchant said we'll build it for free if you 1:21:40.520 --> 1:21:44.360 give us the monopoly on Rum and it was called 1:21:44.360 --> 1:21:45.840 the Rum Hospital for a long time. 1:21:45.880 --> 1:21:46.599 But that's a deal. 1:21:46.960 --> 1:21:48.800 It was quite a good deal too. 1:21:49.000 --> 1:21:52.000 And there's there are two sections of it left of 1:21:52.040 --> 1:21:55.880 that original Rum Hospital that was built in Governor Macquarie's 1:21:55.920 --> 1:22:01.240 time for the franchise on Rum by these three merchants. 1:22:01.520 --> 1:22:04.600 And one bit got knocked down. The main bit in 1:22:04.640 --> 1:22:07.960 the middle got knocked down. That's Sydney Hospital now. The 1:22:08.800 --> 1:22:11.519 one on the southern end is now a museum. That 1:22:11.640 --> 1:22:14.519 was the old Mint and it was the first mint 1:22:14.640 --> 1:22:19.400 in the world outside of Britain that was entitled to 1:22:19.600 --> 1:22:24.160 mint British coins. That's the Mint and it's a museum now. 1:22:24.160 --> 1:22:26.240 The other one up north that's still there, and I 1:22:26.280 --> 1:22:28.719 think that might have been and I shouldn't I shouldn't 1:22:28.760 --> 1:22:30.360 say this, but I think that might have been where 1:22:30.400 --> 1:22:34.759 the not so mentally stable people were, because it's. 1:22:34.640 --> 1:22:37.519 Now Parliament House. Of course, that's. 1:22:37.400 --> 1:22:43.080 Where the new Southwest Government is. Anyway, he was the 1:22:43.280 --> 1:22:46.880 medical officer there and he was his father had been 1:22:46.920 --> 1:22:51.040 the first salaried medical officer in that hospital, and he 1:22:51.400 --> 1:22:55.599 then went on to be stationed there and he did 1:22:55.640 --> 1:22:59.639 a lot of work with doctor Roberts and he always said, 1:23:00.200 --> 1:23:02.479 you know, later on when we get to his career, 1:23:02.520 --> 1:23:05.880 if we ever do. He credited doctor Roberts with being 1:23:05.920 --> 1:23:08.760 his mentor. And he was the bloke in charge of 1:23:08.760 --> 1:23:13.800 the hospital. And in eighteen seventy seven he married, so 1:23:13.880 --> 1:23:16.080 he would have been thirty two or thirty three. He 1:23:16.160 --> 1:23:20.800 married Marion and she was the daughter of Thomas Buckland. 1:23:21.320 --> 1:23:24.000 And Thomas Buckland is a guy we should talk about 1:23:24.120 --> 1:23:28.160 because he was a huge pioneer in pastoral Australia and 1:23:28.240 --> 1:23:31.760 also in Sydney. He was the man who changed the 1:23:31.760 --> 1:23:37.680 Botany swamps into massive industry for the wool washing and 1:23:37.760 --> 1:23:41.040 all that sort of stuff. And people might not know this, 1:23:41.160 --> 1:23:47.200 but from where south Dowling Street and around Cleveland Street 1:23:47.320 --> 1:23:50.720 all there out to Botany Bay was swamp and that's 1:23:50.760 --> 1:23:51.479 where a lot of. 1:23:51.400 --> 1:23:52.120 The factories were. 1:23:52.280 --> 1:23:56.320 And this bloke at Thomas Buckland, he became very rich. 1:23:56.400 --> 1:23:58.280 He owned a lot of that land. 1:23:58.680 --> 1:24:00.760 So we've got we've got a lot of. 1:24:00.720 --> 1:24:04.559 Connections here, you know, with pastoral families, wealthy people and 1:24:04.680 --> 1:24:08.360 particularly Scottish people. So let's have a look at his 1:24:08.520 --> 1:24:12.120 medical career. This would have been enough for most people. 1:24:12.520 --> 1:24:16.519 He joined the board and set up they set up 1:24:16.560 --> 1:24:18.680 a board in eighteen eighty one because there was a 1:24:18.720 --> 1:24:21.600 small pox breakout. 1:24:22.520 --> 1:24:23.840 They set up a board. 1:24:23.680 --> 1:24:27.759 To combat the small pox epidemic in New South Wales. 1:24:28.200 --> 1:24:32.880 And it's sometimes called the first serious smallpox epidemic in 1:24:32.920 --> 1:24:36.000 New South Wales, which of course is not true. The 1:24:36.040 --> 1:24:39.040 first one was eighteen months after the first fleet arrived 1:24:39.400 --> 1:24:42.639 and it wiped out seventy percent of the Aora people, 1:24:42.800 --> 1:24:45.680 the Aboriginal people of the Sydney basin. So you know, 1:24:45.760 --> 1:24:48.280 I've seen that quote a few times. You know, this 1:24:48.439 --> 1:24:53.920 was the first bit, wasn't The first? Sadly serious smallpox 1:24:53.960 --> 1:24:58.719 epidemic was way back in seventeen eighty nine, but never mind, 1:24:59.080 --> 1:25:00.320 there was a serious one. 1:25:00.400 --> 1:25:01.799 And he was on the board. 1:25:02.320 --> 1:25:06.479 And he became the government medical Advisor and Health Officer 1:25:06.600 --> 1:25:10.120 for Port Jackson, which meant he was chairman of the 1:25:10.240 --> 1:25:14.280 immigration board. I'm starting to tick these off and we'll 1:25:14.280 --> 1:25:18.080 make a list. And he was the official visitor to 1:25:18.200 --> 1:25:22.760 hospitals for the insane at Gladesville and Paramatta. So you know, 1:25:22.840 --> 1:25:25.760 he's already got all these jobs. I won't go through 1:25:25.760 --> 1:25:28.680 them again, but there are plenty of them. He was 1:25:28.760 --> 1:25:31.639 also hang on, there's more. He was also the ex 1:25:31.680 --> 1:25:35.280 officio Emigration officer for Port Jackson. He was a member 1:25:35.360 --> 1:25:37.719 of the Board of Pharmacy, and he was a member 1:25:37.800 --> 1:25:42.520 of the Medical Board, and he campaigned for a federal 1:25:42.600 --> 1:25:47.759 quarantine system and was appointed president of the Board of Health. 1:25:48.560 --> 1:25:50.639 Now he's only a young man. I don't know how 1:25:50.680 --> 1:25:52.400 he's managed. He's got so many hats. 1:25:52.520 --> 1:25:55.599 Was this all served concurrently from one of the other? 1:25:55.760 --> 1:25:57.400 No, this is all you know. 1:25:57.800 --> 1:26:00.880 In those days, if you've got a competent man who 1:26:01.000 --> 1:26:03.760 was you know, had half a brain, then you gave 1:26:03.840 --> 1:26:04.320 him all. 1:26:04.160 --> 1:26:06.880 The jobs, all the jobs you could fight. 1:26:07.680 --> 1:26:11.000 So he did always say that he got a lot 1:26:11.000 --> 1:26:14.080 of advice from his mentor, that was doctor Roberts, And 1:26:14.120 --> 1:26:15.240 he said, this is a quote. 1:26:15.240 --> 1:26:15.599 He was a. 1:26:15.520 --> 1:26:19.240 Modest man, he said. It is rather that I doggedly 1:26:19.360 --> 1:26:24.680 and persistently followed his lines and advice. Then I formulated 1:26:24.800 --> 1:26:29.160 original schemes of my own. But the family motto, he 1:26:29.240 --> 1:26:34.880 pointed out to us, the mckella family motto is perserverando, 1:26:35.640 --> 1:26:40.200 which means I guess, hang in there Latin severe, And 1:26:40.240 --> 1:26:41.120 he certainly did. 1:26:41.640 --> 1:26:45.280 That's his medical career. Are you tired yet? We'll go 1:26:45.360 --> 1:26:46.880 on now to his political career. 1:26:46.960 --> 1:26:48.360 Oh right, okay. 1:26:49.720 --> 1:26:53.400 In eighteen eighty five he resigned his official appointments medical 1:26:53.479 --> 1:26:59.479 ones and was nominated to the Legislative Council to promote 1:26:59.520 --> 1:27:04.200 public health legislation, and he helped draft parliamentary bills to 1:27:04.320 --> 1:27:06.960 do with See, he'd done all that other medical stuff, 1:27:06.960 --> 1:27:09.200 and they said, this bloke, he's god, he's you know, 1:27:09.760 --> 1:27:10.439 he knows. 1:27:10.240 --> 1:27:10.960 What's going on. 1:27:11.400 --> 1:27:14.720 So he got him on the Legislative Council in Parliament 1:27:15.080 --> 1:27:17.839 and then they said, well, you know, now you draft 1:27:17.880 --> 1:27:22.080 the legislation that we need. So he's doing that. He 1:27:22.240 --> 1:27:25.479 was a member of the Board of Health until one 1:27:25.560 --> 1:27:29.880 year before his death in nineteen twenty five, so right 1:27:29.960 --> 1:27:34.360 through almost until his death he was Vice President and 1:27:34.439 --> 1:27:39.000 executive on the Executive Council. He was Secretary for Mines. Now, 1:27:39.040 --> 1:27:43.040 somehow mines were lobbed in with health, health. 1:27:42.840 --> 1:27:43.200 And all that. 1:27:43.320 --> 1:27:46.000 I guess that makes sense. So he's a Minister for mines. 1:27:46.240 --> 1:27:48.920 He's got all these other jobs and he remained on 1:27:48.960 --> 1:27:53.560 the Board of Health Council his entire life. He introduced 1:27:53.640 --> 1:27:57.840 the Dairies Supervision Act of eighteen eighty six. Now you'd 1:27:57.880 --> 1:28:02.559 know what that was all about, Bill Dairy Supervision Act 1:28:02.960 --> 1:28:03.360 to have. 1:28:03.320 --> 1:28:04.400 To do with milking cows. 1:28:04.920 --> 1:28:07.840 Not much. It actually had to do with. 1:28:09.840 --> 1:28:13.639 A child mortality. Oh there was this huge problem where 1:28:13.640 --> 1:28:17.280 the dairies being not being regulated and of course all 1:28:17.320 --> 1:28:20.320 the kids being given milk, and there was you know, 1:28:20.360 --> 1:28:24.439 we know there was terrific infant mortality in those days. 1:28:24.960 --> 1:28:31.160 So he set up this Dairy's Supervision Act and you know, 1:28:31.280 --> 1:28:35.600 it stopped or it had a big effect on improving 1:28:35.760 --> 1:28:40.320 infant mortality. He was appointed to the when we became 1:28:40.360 --> 1:28:44.880 a nation and there was an Australian government. Someone said 1:28:44.880 --> 1:28:47.559 this blokes terrific, you know, and they grabbed him put 1:28:47.600 --> 1:28:51.280 him in the Senate of the Commonwealth of Australia. But 1:28:51.760 --> 1:28:55.120 he was too involved in New South Wales so that 1:28:55.160 --> 1:29:00.519 didn't last very long. He was back now go again. 1:29:01.080 --> 1:29:04.679 He was a member of the State Children Relief Board. 1:29:05.600 --> 1:29:10.400 He was a president of the Neglected Children and Juvenile 1:29:10.520 --> 1:29:14.800 Offenders and he passed One of his other pieces of 1:29:14.880 --> 1:29:18.679 legislation was to do with how you treated juvenile offenders. 1:29:18.680 --> 1:29:22.080 This is interesting, we've just been talking about that, but 1:29:22.400 --> 1:29:25.920 in those days there was nothing, there was no legislation, 1:29:26.760 --> 1:29:29.559 and I guess they were treated as adults. I'm not 1:29:29.720 --> 1:29:36.000 exactly sure, but This created children's courts and a probationary system. 1:29:36.240 --> 1:29:39.040 And he wrote this huge report which was published as 1:29:39.080 --> 1:29:42.320 a book, and it was called the Treatment of Neglected 1:29:42.360 --> 1:29:48.000 and Delinquent Children in Great Britain, Europe and America and Australia. 1:29:48.080 --> 1:29:49.080 No doubt, well it was. 1:29:49.439 --> 1:29:51.840 You know, he must have gathered other people's data for that. 1:29:51.960 --> 1:29:53.800 Surely he would have had time to go to all 1:29:53.800 --> 1:29:55.599 those places. Well, he did. 1:29:55.439 --> 1:30:00.160 Travel quite a lot, but I'm tired already. Anyways, he 1:30:01.040 --> 1:30:05.559 was admired mostly. He never aligned himself with a political party, 1:30:06.280 --> 1:30:10.920 and so Joseph Banks did this too, And Joseph Banks said, 1:30:10.920 --> 1:30:13.880 and I'm sure you know Charles mckella thought the same. 1:30:14.280 --> 1:30:17.479 The minute I align myself with one party, I've lost 1:30:17.520 --> 1:30:21.240 half of my friends and my contacts and my influence. 1:30:21.560 --> 1:30:26.000 So he never did. He always stayed away from party politics. 1:30:26.200 --> 1:30:29.040 He was knighted in nineteen twelve, and then he was 1:30:29.080 --> 1:30:32.439 given a KCMG in nineteen sixteen. That's not a car, 1:30:32.520 --> 1:30:38.120 by the way, it's another knighthood, a KCMG. I think 1:30:38.160 --> 1:30:40.719 I know, I won't even try to remember what it means. Anyway, 1:30:40.840 --> 1:30:42.080 that's his political career. 1:30:42.120 --> 1:30:44.960 Would you like to know about his business life very quickly. 1:30:45.120 --> 1:30:47.840 I know we're running out of time. Maynard's coming in 1:30:47.880 --> 1:30:48.719 shortly for a chat. 1:30:48.800 --> 1:30:50.800 I know I wouldn't want to get in the way 1:30:50.840 --> 1:30:51.360 of Clinton. 1:30:51.600 --> 1:30:55.360 But he succeeded his father in law as director of 1:30:55.400 --> 1:30:58.280 the Bank of New South Wales. He was chairman of 1:30:58.360 --> 1:31:03.440 the Gloucester es State Company, Mutual and Citizens Life Assurance, 1:31:04.439 --> 1:31:08.439 pitt Son and Badgery, the Union Trustee of Australia, the 1:31:08.600 --> 1:31:12.800 United Insurance Company of Australia, the Royal Insurance Company, Colonial 1:31:12.840 --> 1:31:18.640 Sugar Refining, Australian Widows Fund, Equitable Life a Company, and 1:31:19.920 --> 1:31:23.960 lots of other things. He also did volunteer work. How 1:31:24.000 --> 1:31:27.559 does he get the time. He was the volunteer surgeon 1:31:27.680 --> 1:31:31.880 for the Volunteer Rifles New South walest Rifles, Chairman of 1:31:31.920 --> 1:31:35.719 the Medical Board of the Royal Society. He was founding 1:31:35.800 --> 1:31:38.679 Counselor of the New South Wales branch of the Medical 1:31:38.720 --> 1:31:42.640 British Medical Association. He was the Examiner at Medicine for 1:31:42.680 --> 1:31:48.480 Sydney University, Vice president and President of the Amateur Orchestral Society. 1:31:48.640 --> 1:31:52.719 So he's also putting giving money in philanthropy and charity 1:31:52.760 --> 1:31:55.720 and working, as I know you do a lot of 1:31:55.800 --> 1:31:58.839 charity work, and he was doing it for the orchestra. 1:32:00.080 --> 1:32:03.320 He was a present vice president of the Raw Society 1:32:04.520 --> 1:32:06.920 and for the Welfare of Mothers and Babies and a 1:32:06.960 --> 1:32:12.280 member of the Australian and Athenaeum Clubs. So you know, 1:32:12.520 --> 1:32:15.479 I mean this bloke. You'd pass him in the street 1:32:15.560 --> 1:32:19.679 and we don't remember him for being flamboyant or anything 1:32:19.800 --> 1:32:22.680 like that. But what a life. And the last thing, 1:32:22.720 --> 1:32:26.439 and I've saved this to last. He had three sons, 1:32:26.479 --> 1:32:32.200 one of whom died in the Boar War, and one daughter. 1:32:32.720 --> 1:32:37.920 And his daughter was Dorothea mckellor. She wrote, I love 1:32:37.920 --> 1:32:41.080 a sunburned country, your land of sweeping planes. I would 1:32:41.160 --> 1:32:43.360 go on, but I know that class waiting. 1:32:43.520 --> 1:32:46.240 So that's where it all led. 1:32:46.400 --> 1:32:50.320 Yeah, And they're buried together at Waverley Cemetery right down 1:32:50.360 --> 1:32:53.920 near the front and you can find there's a you know, 1:32:54.040 --> 1:32:58.400 a little enclosure and Dorothy is there, so is her father, 1:32:58.520 --> 1:33:01.000 and the family all buried. You can visit them at 1:33:01.000 --> 1:33:02.120 Waverley Cemetery. 1:33:02.280 --> 1:33:07.800 Wow, what a legacy. Famous but not famous, but still amazingly. 1:33:08.760 --> 1:33:10.200 Where did you get the energy? 1:33:10.360 --> 1:33:12.519 You know, probably slept about three hours a night. Well, 1:33:12.600 --> 1:33:13.559 some of those people that. 1:33:13.720 --> 1:33:17.040 Yeah, he was the energizer Bunny of Sydney and we 1:33:17.120 --> 1:33:18.639 owe him an awful lot. 1:33:19.120 --> 1:33:21.920 Sounds like it, Jim Hayes. Great to catch up again, mate, Thank. 1:33:21.800 --> 1:33:22.719 You my pleasure. 1:33:23.120 --> 1:33:24.960 It's that time of the afternoon. 1:33:25.160 --> 1:33:28.400 Time to find out what's coming up on Sydney now for. 1:33:28.360 --> 1:33:32.639 The Sirato successor, the turbo charged Kia K four kias 1:33:32.680 --> 1:33:36.519 on new small sedan GT line very interavailable now find 1:33:36.520 --> 1:33:38.960 out more about Kia's latest small car. 1:33:39.240 --> 1:33:41.040 In half an hour of his Sydney now right now. 1:33:41.040 --> 1:33:44.479 It's Sydney soon enough. See what I did there, Clinton Maynard, 1:33:45.000 --> 1:33:47.080 very clever, Bill, not that amused though. 1:33:47.280 --> 1:33:49.840 I know I've been laughing throughout your program, particularly laughing 1:33:49.920 --> 1:33:54.360 with the comparisons between Volvos and Tesla's being the modern 1:33:54.439 --> 1:33:55.639 day version of Volvo, which I. 1:33:55.560 --> 1:33:58.479 Have to say I'm a Subaru ambassador as we continue 1:33:58.520 --> 1:33:59.200 this conversation. 1:33:59.439 --> 1:34:03.639 That's just those are important, very good cars that they are. Yes, 1:34:03.800 --> 1:34:07.000 the comparison I think is actually quite accurate. 1:34:07.280 --> 1:34:09.439 Yeah, and you so you reckon that spot on? I 1:34:09.439 --> 1:34:10.640 think yeah, I think it is. 1:34:10.640 --> 1:34:12.960 And I was driving the traffic the other day and 1:34:13.240 --> 1:34:14.759 pointed out of valve out of my son, my fourteen 1:34:14.840 --> 1:34:17.080 year old become quite a karna, and he's become really 1:34:17.120 --> 1:34:20.160 interested in nineteen eighties cars. For some reason, he's collecting 1:34:20.160 --> 1:34:23.599 hot wheel bottles of nineteen eighties Japanese cars. Mostly they 1:34:23.600 --> 1:34:26.280 still make hot wheels. Oh, it's massive at the moment. 1:34:26.640 --> 1:34:29.160 It's actually there are people who now will go to 1:34:30.000 --> 1:34:33.280 Big w or the retailers. They will scourage through the 1:34:33.320 --> 1:34:37.719 bins looking for Ferraris. Honestly, if you try to find 1:34:37.720 --> 1:34:40.920 yourself a hot wheels Ferrari at the moment, put it 1:34:41.000 --> 1:34:43.320 up on eBay, you'll make yourself a fur small fortune 1:34:43.360 --> 1:34:45.960 because you can't find any because someone's going around Sydney 1:34:46.240 --> 1:34:49.360 going through all the toy departments or retailers to buy 1:34:49.479 --> 1:34:53.080 up every single Ferrari hot wheels current existence, and they're 1:34:53.120 --> 1:34:55.160 then reselling them on the internet for a fortune. 1:34:55.640 --> 1:34:57.439 Won't find them. What about match Box toys? 1:34:57.680 --> 1:34:59.720 Well, interestingly, I didn't realize this until my son and 1:34:59.760 --> 1:35:02.360 fall me. Matchbox and hop Wheels run by the same 1:35:02.360 --> 1:35:03.040 company these days. 1:35:03.280 --> 1:35:05.799 Oh ok, so there were rivals for years. Yeah, Leslie 1:35:05.880 --> 1:35:07.200 made Matchbox cars. 1:35:07.240 --> 1:35:09.320 Yeah, it's their own by Mantel these days. But then 1:35:09.360 --> 1:35:12.000 I was explaining different car issues and we drove past 1:35:12.040 --> 1:35:14.680 a Volvo and I actually pointed out, oh, back in 1:35:14.720 --> 1:35:19.000 the nineteen eighties, yeah, Volvo drivers were the scourge of Sydneys. 1:35:19.760 --> 1:35:22.360 I had to explain it, but I thought, you know what, 1:35:22.479 --> 1:35:23.720 in this day and age, they're getting a bit of 1:35:23.720 --> 1:35:26.840 a bad rap because one of the most successful motor 1:35:26.920 --> 1:35:29.680 racing drivers of the era in our country, he's a 1:35:29.760 --> 1:35:32.240 key we is Scott McLaughlin. Yes, Scott mcglocklan is now 1:35:32.280 --> 1:35:35.280 an Indy car driver in the United States, very very successful. 1:35:35.600 --> 1:35:38.640 He made his name in supercars, as you well know 1:35:38.720 --> 1:35:41.280 as it form a commentator driving a Volvo. 1:35:41.560 --> 1:35:45.439 Yes, and prior to that, prior to that, back in 1:35:45.479 --> 1:35:48.880 the day, Johnny Bow drove Volvos. I think do you recall. 1:35:48.640 --> 1:35:50.839 There was a year in the Australian Touring Car Championship 1:35:50.840 --> 1:35:52.840 would have been maybe the early nineties, late eighties. 1:35:53.000 --> 1:35:56.160 Yes, Volvo's station wagon was actually driving or they caught 1:35:56.160 --> 1:36:03.320 it the estate. At one stage they had Alan Moffatt 1:36:03.360 --> 1:36:04.240 drove a Mazda. 1:36:05.520 --> 1:36:07.200 Well you had a whole range of ca Alanmoft was 1:36:07.240 --> 1:36:09.360 a ford Man throughout the seventies, but he then drove 1:36:09.400 --> 1:36:12.040 and I know this is earned one seven few years. 1:36:12.080 --> 1:36:13.879 It was very successful anyway. 1:36:14.960 --> 1:36:16.960 Yeah, sorry, were Well, I'm going to talk about a 1:36:16.960 --> 1:36:19.280 EV's on my profile right, We're going to talk about 1:36:19.280 --> 1:36:22.240 EV taxes because if you're driving a EV, good luck 1:36:22.280 --> 1:36:23.479 to you. You're not paying excise. 1:36:23.600 --> 1:36:23.680 Ye. 1:36:23.880 --> 1:36:26.040 Well, Jim Charmers has now said I think we're gonna 1:36:26.040 --> 1:36:28.160 have to change this situation. There's been some issues in 1:36:28.240 --> 1:36:30.160 Victoria over the past few years because there was a 1:36:30.240 --> 1:36:32.800 challenge to their EV tax that went on the way 1:36:32.800 --> 1:36:35.280 to the High Court. So it's really difficult for regulators. 1:36:35.320 --> 1:36:37.200 But let's be honest, it's not fair on the rest 1:36:37.200 --> 1:36:40.480 of the driving population that we're paying such big excises 1:36:40.520 --> 1:36:42.320 but those driving an electric vehicle don't. 1:36:42.439 --> 1:36:43.680 So we're going to have a look at that. 1:36:43.720 --> 1:36:46.320 On the program. Also, i'll be talking to an evacuee 1:36:46.320 --> 1:36:49.240 who has left Israel and has just touched down in 1:36:49.240 --> 1:36:51.880 Australia after there's something like three thousand people have now 1:36:51.920 --> 1:36:55.880 registered to either evacuate from Israel or Iran, and I 1:36:55.920 --> 1:36:58.800 know there's an issue about whether Australian government should be 1:36:58.840 --> 1:37:01.479 actually assisting or whether these people knew they were traveling 1:37:01.520 --> 1:37:03.960 to Israel in the Middle East. In the middle of well, 1:37:04.000 --> 1:37:06.240 there's been the Gaza conflict of force. But I'll be 1:37:06.320 --> 1:37:09.000 talking to an Aussie who's just arrived home on the 1:37:09.000 --> 1:37:11.800 program this afternoon. My straight shooter for a Thursday afternoon 1:37:11.880 --> 1:37:12.920 is David Elliott. 1:37:12.560 --> 1:37:14.360 Former MP. He's always interesting. 1:37:14.520 --> 1:37:16.040 He's going to give you an insight about what's going 1:37:16.080 --> 1:37:17.160 to happen in Parliament House in the. 1:37:17.160 --> 1:37:18.120 Next twenty four hours. 1:37:18.280 --> 1:37:21.000 Okay, as we've been following this week, there's some dramas 1:37:21.040 --> 1:37:24.400 in the Upper House with the threat to literally arrest 1:37:24.520 --> 1:37:28.240 some of the staffers from Chris Min's office. So I'll 1:37:28.240 --> 1:37:30.479 speak to day about whether this is actually possible, whether 1:37:30.479 --> 1:37:33.559 it's legally possible, and if I can find a good reason. 1:37:33.600 --> 1:37:34.679 I do have a reason. 1:37:35.240 --> 1:37:37.320 If there's some time I may be playing some Bruce 1:37:37.360 --> 1:37:39.360 Springsteen later in the program. 1:37:39.800 --> 1:37:41.160 There's always a good reason for that. 1:37:41.360 --> 1:37:43.000 There is a very good reason. You'll have to keep 1:37:43.000 --> 1:37:45.120 listening to find out why. And I'll be spitting the winter. 1:37:44.920 --> 1:37:46.760 Wheel, of course we will. I'm going to do that 1:37:46.760 --> 1:37:48.439 too in the next twenty five minutes. So thank you 1:37:48.520 --> 1:37:50.720 for reminding me. Clinton Maynard, He'll be back short. He 1:37:50.760 --> 1:37:58.320 was Sydney now and apologies for the late Hello. 1:37:58.600 --> 1:38:02.000 Aaron Marsin non essential staff at the US embassy in 1:38:02.040 --> 1:38:05.599 Israel are being evacuated as US President Donald Trump considers 1:38:05.760 --> 1:38:09.040 getting involved in the conflict between Israel and Iran. The 1:38:09.080 --> 1:38:13.439 state government is developing a framework which, rather than paying levies, 1:38:13.760 --> 1:38:17.879 would see property developers help to build infrastructure like schools 1:38:17.880 --> 1:38:20.960 and roads under a work in kind agreement. A twenty 1:38:21.000 --> 1:38:23.560 seven year old man has been charged after an allegedly 1:38:23.560 --> 1:38:27.360 stolen land cruiser was driven through a shopping center in Melbourne. 1:38:27.600 --> 1:38:31.240 Please say they found an electronic key reprogramming tool during 1:38:31.240 --> 1:38:33.960 the arrest. And a test of one of Elon Musk's 1:38:34.040 --> 1:38:38.400 starships has ended in another massive explosion and fireball in Texas. 1:38:38.680 --> 1:38:41.720 In Sport, Blues halfback Nathan Cleary has admitted he took 1:38:41.760 --> 1:38:44.919 a groin injury unto last night's origin loss to the Morons. 1:38:45.240 --> 1:38:48.759 Cleary suffered the injury during the team's final training session, 1:38:48.920 --> 1:38:51.400 just twenty four hours before kickoff. And there'll be more 1:38:51.400 --> 1:38:52.040 news at three. 1:38:51.880 --> 1:38:53.960 O'clock on afternoons. 1:38:54.160 --> 1:38:58.080 A finance update for Pretzel Wealth and finance for Trusted 1:38:58.120 --> 1:39:01.280 Financial Planning Just Google Blake went to Pretzel. 1:39:01.920 --> 1:39:02.080 Yes. 1:39:02.120 --> 1:39:04.840 Scott Phillips from the Motley Fool fool dot com dot 1:39:04.840 --> 1:39:08.280 au joins US now to talk finance. Hello mate, Bill. 1:39:08.120 --> 1:39:09.960 Good afternoon. But I've got I say you inclined took 1:39:10.000 --> 1:39:12.880 me back. I'm thinking about Pty Longhurst in the BMW 1:39:13.080 --> 1:39:16.439 or Yes Johnson the Ford Sierra. That was a time, 1:39:16.520 --> 1:39:17.440 wasn't it. 1:39:17.439 --> 1:39:19.639 It was? It was a real sweet spot in touring 1:39:19.680 --> 1:39:21.519 car racing when a lot of the different makes for 1:39:21.520 --> 1:39:24.120 different reasons, were competitive because they were they were good 1:39:24.120 --> 1:39:25.960 in certain parts of the track, not all on the 1:39:26.000 --> 1:39:28.320 same part of the track, so they're overtaking each other 1:39:28.360 --> 1:39:31.040 off and it was quite amazing and they haven't quite 1:39:31.040 --> 1:39:34.479 found that since. But now unemployment data out today a 1:39:34.479 --> 1:39:37.760 bit of skepticism from people listening in on this one. 1:39:37.760 --> 1:39:39.080 What are the numbers telling us? Mate? 1:39:39.840 --> 1:39:42.160 So the good news is that the mployment rate remains 1:39:42.320 --> 1:39:44.400 very low at four point one percent. Now it's not 1:39:44.439 --> 1:39:46.599 as low as it was during kind of the best 1:39:46.600 --> 1:39:48.519 of times and also the worst of times during COVID, 1:39:48.560 --> 1:39:50.800 when plenty of government support had everyone who wanted a 1:39:50.840 --> 1:39:53.280 job almost everyone, but four point one percent as the 1:39:53.320 --> 1:39:55.720 lowest it's consistently been for the best part of forty years. 1:39:55.760 --> 1:39:58.280 So really really good news there. It is the one 1:39:58.439 --> 1:40:00.640 or the brightest spot anyway, across the economy and other 1:40:00.680 --> 1:40:03.439 things are maybe softening off just to touch, so pretty 1:40:03.439 --> 1:40:06.400 happy to see that, quite honestly good news. Also, we 1:40:06.439 --> 1:40:08.600 didn't lose too many jobs. We lost two and a 1:40:08.640 --> 1:40:11.240 half thousand jobs. That's out of a workforce of fourteen million, 1:40:11.320 --> 1:40:14.040 six hundred and twenty thousand, so that's pretty good. Fourteen 1:40:14.120 --> 1:40:16.719 number of unemployed people did what it did actually fourcuse 1:40:16.720 --> 1:40:19.240 people left the labor force, and the participation rate, which 1:40:19.280 --> 1:40:21.479 is the percentage of us in work or looking for work, 1:40:21.760 --> 1:40:24.840 decreased from sixty seven point one to sixty seven percent. Overall, 1:40:24.920 --> 1:40:27.559 monthly hours worked also increased by about twenty five million hours, 1:40:27.600 --> 1:40:30.599 or one point three percent, so net a pretty good 1:40:30.640 --> 1:40:33.120 result best you could probably hope for in the circumstances. 1:40:33.240 --> 1:40:36.000 We can always want lower unemployment, but it seems pretty 1:40:36.000 --> 1:40:39.000 stubbornly high at that level at least won't go much lower. 1:40:39.040 --> 1:40:41.719 I don't think permanently. Good news that hasn't increased, given 1:40:41.760 --> 1:40:44.880 we've had some soft retail staless number soft GDP as well. 1:40:45.320 --> 1:40:46.920 But good news is the most stroners who want a 1:40:46.960 --> 1:40:49.800 job can find one. The underemployment rate also fell only 1:40:49.800 --> 1:40:52.400 a touch, but from six to five point nine percent, 1:40:52.760 --> 1:40:54.960 meaning a nice round ten percent of us either can't 1:40:54.960 --> 1:40:57.000 get work or can't get as many hours as we want. 1:40:57.120 --> 1:40:59.320 And we had a text earlier someone saying, of course, 1:40:59.360 --> 1:41:03.560 if you had ass sets, you don't count as being unemployed. 1:41:03.880 --> 1:41:05.960 That was an interesting one which I had a vague 1:41:05.960 --> 1:41:07.839 knowledge job, but not totally sure about. 1:41:08.280 --> 1:41:10.599 The unemployment numbers. It's an iffic, got one to change 1:41:10.640 --> 1:41:12.439 the definition a few times. Our reality is if you 1:41:12.479 --> 1:41:15.520 work at least one hour in a fortnight, you're not unemployed. 1:41:15.720 --> 1:41:19.240 So it's tricks to the tail right now. Look, and 1:41:19.240 --> 1:41:22.360 again it's the direction that matters most. The underemployment number 1:41:22.400 --> 1:41:24.160 they are reporting I've just mentioned that's good because they're 1:41:24.160 --> 1:41:26.840 actually including those people then who do fall in that space? 1:41:27.040 --> 1:41:29.639 And yeah, look it's not perfect there, there's no perfect 1:41:29.640 --> 1:41:31.960 way of calculating it. We have to hope the direction 1:41:32.000 --> 1:41:34.000 of the trend is right. And like all these stats, 1:41:34.080 --> 1:41:36.599 there are also approximations. They don't ask every individual person. 1:41:36.640 --> 1:41:38.960 They take a representative sample and try and work it 1:41:38.960 --> 1:41:41.160 out from there. But the trends go in the right direction, 1:41:41.240 --> 1:41:43.160 that's a win. If it's not, that's probably the bigger 1:41:43.160 --> 1:41:44.760 issue of focus on maybe then trying to work out 1:41:44.760 --> 1:41:47.360 the absolute number for its own sake, local markets and 1:41:47.400 --> 1:41:50.439 the dollar. Not a terrible day, the great day. We 1:41:50.520 --> 1:41:52.880 spent all day in the red, but only down by 1:41:52.880 --> 1:41:55.040 a tiny fraction three one hundreds of one percent, so 1:41:55.080 --> 1:41:58.120 we'll call that flat. Eighty seven hundred and fifty five points. 1:41:58.160 --> 1:42:00.600 That's the all ordinaries the audidollar down to touch on 1:42:00.760 --> 1:42:03.120 about tenth of a percent lower, sixty four point eight 1:42:03.320 --> 1:42:04.800 seven usns. 1:42:05.520 --> 1:42:07.160 Scottie Phillips, Thank you so much. 1:42:07.760 --> 1:42:08.559 What's that? Thanks Phil? 1:42:09.280 --> 1:42:11.760 It's twenty two to three. I think we might give 1:42:11.840 --> 1:42:13.720 something away here before we go to the break, and 1:42:13.760 --> 1:42:15.160 we'll give you a chance to have a think about it. 1:42:15.200 --> 1:42:15.719 Here we go. 1:42:17.120 --> 1:42:18.120 Two gvs. 1:42:18.479 --> 1:42:21.840 Winter Wheel. 1:42:22.120 --> 1:42:25.719 Yes, that is your queue to call. Be the first 1:42:25.760 --> 1:42:28.840 caller now on one three hundred seven double two eight 1:42:28.920 --> 1:42:31.400 seven three one three hundred seven double two eight seven 1:42:31.520 --> 1:42:35.320 three for a chance to spin two gvs. Winter Will. 1:42:35.439 --> 1:42:38.920 Yesterday I gave away two and a half grand to 1:42:39.040 --> 1:42:41.840 Scott from Como and he is pretty happy about it. 1:42:41.960 --> 1:42:45.200 I was probably just as happy. But overall this is 1:42:45.240 --> 1:42:47.280 up to forty thousand dollars worth the cash and prizes 1:42:47.280 --> 1:42:49.439 to be one we've got two and a half grand 1:42:49.479 --> 1:42:52.160 up for grabs again today. Also got some Origin tickets, 1:42:53.360 --> 1:42:57.839 some the National Tiles give away contributing to Tiles, DD's 1:42:57.840 --> 1:43:00.000 groups giving away money and we've got lots of cash 1:43:00.120 --> 1:43:03.040 to so we'll take a quick break when we come back. 1:43:03.080 --> 1:43:05.880 We'll take your calls. One three hundred seven double two 1:43:06.000 --> 1:43:08.680 eight seven three. First caller in gets the chance to 1:43:08.720 --> 1:43:11.280 go for a spin with me. Alright, it's seven eight 1:43:11.280 --> 1:43:13.280 to three, win a wheel time. And our caller who 1:43:13.360 --> 1:43:19.880 came through first on that line is Adam from Concord. Gooday, Adam, mate, 1:43:19.920 --> 1:43:21.800 well mate, thank you. I'll do my best. I can't 1:43:21.840 --> 1:43:23.800 promise anything. I just want to remind you I did 1:43:23.800 --> 1:43:26.000 get two and a half grand for our guest yesterday, 1:43:26.080 --> 1:43:29.040 so fingers crossed, but I can go it again. I'm 1:43:29.040 --> 1:43:30.680 going to give it a real rip to mate. I'm 1:43:30.680 --> 1:43:33.000 going to rip this thing really hard and it could 1:43:33.080 --> 1:43:34.720 go for a long time. But let's just see. We 1:43:35.000 --> 1:43:37.439 might even fall off the bench, but not go too hard. 1:43:37.600 --> 1:43:40.040 So stand by, Adam, here we go. Here's the winter Wheel. 1:43:40.040 --> 1:43:47.080 He's your chance. Let's spin it. It's going, it's going, 1:43:47.080 --> 1:43:49.160 it's going, it's going. I did a good job. It's 1:43:49.200 --> 1:43:52.080 still going, it's still going. It's slowing, it's slowing, it's 1:43:52.080 --> 1:43:57.200 stopping on. Oh, seven hundred and fifty dollars, not bad, mate, 1:43:57.320 --> 1:43:58.080 it's not bad. 1:43:59.040 --> 1:44:01.800 Yeah. Happy, that's a lot more than I had five 1:44:01.840 --> 1:44:02.320 minutes ago. 1:44:02.360 --> 1:44:04.920 Bill, good Man, that's the way to look at it. 1:44:05.280 --> 1:44:07.800 I've got to tell you were one short of the 1:44:07.840 --> 1:44:11.120 origin tickets, so I don't know what's more value to you. 1:44:11.240 --> 1:44:13.680 But you know, with seven fifty dollars, I'm sure you 1:44:13.720 --> 1:44:15.840 can still biog that. 1:44:15.880 --> 1:44:18.080 It'll be going to the Minister of Finance here at home. 1:44:18.640 --> 1:44:19.639 Should be looking after that. 1:44:19.760 --> 1:44:21.559 I know, if you like me, you probably won't even 1:44:21.600 --> 1:44:24.719 see it. It'll be so fast getting into her past. Yes, 1:44:24.760 --> 1:44:27.120 that's good on your mate. Stay on the light, Adam, 1:44:27.520 --> 1:44:32.120 well done, well done. He's wonder seven hundred and fifty dollars. Congratulations, Adam. 1:44:32.160 --> 1:44:33.800 That's how win to wheel for today. You'll get another 1:44:33.880 --> 1:44:36.759 chance in Sydney now with Clinton Maynard. Glenn's been waiting 1:44:36.760 --> 1:44:39.520 patiently on the line to talk about who drove Volvos 1:44:39.640 --> 1:44:43.200 in touring car racing back in the day. Hello, mate, Yeah, 1:44:43.200 --> 1:44:43.840 you get a Bill. 1:44:44.040 --> 1:44:46.639 I made the Volvo station work and that was driven 1:44:46.680 --> 1:44:47.599 by Peter Brock. 1:44:47.640 --> 1:44:50.080 Peter Brock did drive Volvos. A lot of people would 1:44:50.080 --> 1:44:52.519 not have remembered that. Yes, I was. I knew Brocky 1:44:52.680 --> 1:44:58.000 very well, and yeah he's after all. And I'll tell 1:44:58.040 --> 1:45:00.439 you what. We've had a lot of texts on this Crichton. 1:45:01.280 --> 1:45:03.599 We've had Robbie Francovic I know he drove a Turbo 1:45:03.720 --> 1:45:06.120 Volvo and Jimmy Richards also drove a Volvo in the 1:45:06.160 --> 1:45:09.519 Australian Touring Car Championship. Jimmy's a wonderful bloke. They didn't 1:45:09.520 --> 1:45:12.200 call him gentleman Jim for nothing. I had great days 1:45:12.760 --> 1:45:15.800 associating with Jim Richards and of course those guys in 1:45:15.880 --> 1:45:17.840 touring cars. Thanks for calling in Gland. It was a 1:45:17.880 --> 1:45:18.519 great memory. 1:45:18.800 --> 1:45:21.240 The championship in eighty six, Yes. 1:45:21.160 --> 1:45:24.479 They did, yes, And I mentioned it was it Robbie 1:45:24.479 --> 1:45:28.639 who who won the championship that year? Was it Robbie Robbie? Yeah? 1:45:28.680 --> 1:45:30.760 And John Bower is his teammate I think in those 1:45:30.840 --> 1:45:33.120 days and actually played a role in that. Yeah, that's 1:45:33.120 --> 1:45:35.200 what I was thinking of. Good on your Glenn. Thanks 1:45:35.200 --> 1:45:38.439 for calling in mate, really appreciate it. Great memories of 1:45:38.439 --> 1:45:41.800 Australian touring car racing. Well really it's Australian culture. We're 1:45:41.800 --> 1:45:43.559 going to come back and talk about the culture of 1:45:43.600 --> 1:45:46.439 paying CEOs. There's been a few yarns around today in 1:45:46.479 --> 1:45:49.080 the media about what CEOs are being paid. This is 1:45:49.200 --> 1:45:52.960 data commissioned by the Australian Councilor of Superannuation Investors and 1:45:53.000 --> 1:45:55.000 it's about the take home pay of the country's top 1:45:55.080 --> 1:45:59.400 one hundred CEOs. Now, according to this, they've actually flatlined 1:45:59.439 --> 1:46:02.040 over the last But it depends on what stories you read, 1:46:02.120 --> 1:46:04.800 because some of them have been quite astronomical. 1:46:05.280 --> 1:46:05.320 Ed. 1:46:05.400 --> 1:46:08.560 John's the manager of Stewardship for the Australian Councilor's Superannuation 1:46:08.680 --> 1:46:09.840 Investors and he's on the line. 1:46:09.840 --> 1:46:12.519 Good I Ed, Yeah, Bill, nice to chat to you. 1:46:12.760 --> 1:46:15.439 Yeah, thank you. Well. Talk us through what your research 1:46:15.479 --> 1:46:18.519 found with that. Varying reports on this, highlighting different aspects 1:46:18.600 --> 1:46:22.200 of it, but overall, how our CEO is being paid 1:46:22.280 --> 1:46:24.840 more than they have ever been before, or a little less, 1:46:24.920 --> 1:46:26.120 or has it stayed much the same. 1:46:27.120 --> 1:46:30.120 It's actually stayed the same over ten years, which is 1:46:30.479 --> 1:46:33.680 rare when we think about CEO pay and when we 1:46:33.720 --> 1:46:36.439 look at particularly countries like the US or the UK 1:46:36.800 --> 1:46:41.240 where things have really bolted over the past ten years. 1:46:41.640 --> 1:46:44.120 Effectively the numbers that have been flat in our top 1:46:44.360 --> 1:46:48.559 one hundred companies. But bear in mind the average pay 1:46:48.640 --> 1:46:51.679 for an AX one hundred CEO was still fifty five 1:46:51.680 --> 1:46:54.840 times average worker, so it's still a great position to 1:46:54.840 --> 1:46:58.640 be in. But the numbers haven't actually jumped or we 1:46:58.680 --> 1:47:02.400 haven't seen that breakout recent years, which is quite significant. 1:47:02.680 --> 1:47:05.640 The median pay four point one five million, slightly up 1:47:05.640 --> 1:47:08.960 from three point ninety six and twenty fourteen, so not 1:47:09.000 --> 1:47:11.200 a massive amount. But then other wages haven't gone up 1:47:11.280 --> 1:47:12.000 much either. 1:47:11.720 --> 1:47:16.160 Have they No, not at all, And I think it's 1:47:16.200 --> 1:47:18.960 one of those things where things can hold flat, but 1:47:20.280 --> 1:47:23.800 investors and boards need to stay diligent otherwise you could 1:47:23.800 --> 1:47:26.160 see a breakout in their stuff. And that's why we 1:47:26.479 --> 1:47:31.000 again do the research. And while we always encourage large 1:47:31.080 --> 1:47:34.320 investors and super funds, but certainly mum and dad investors 1:47:34.320 --> 1:47:36.000 to watch closely on these issues. 1:47:36.600 --> 1:47:40.240 Well, it does become something that the shareholders are concerned about. 1:47:40.280 --> 1:47:44.120 Before we get onto that fifty five times the paypacket 1:47:44.120 --> 1:47:46.760 of the average worker. That's probably the key statistic, isn't 1:47:46.800 --> 1:47:50.400 it really, Because the actual amount is relative to cost 1:47:50.400 --> 1:47:52.680 of living, et cetera. Et cetera. But how is that 1:47:52.760 --> 1:47:55.320 disparity going well? 1:47:55.320 --> 1:47:59.800 Again, fifty five times still large. Ten years ago it 1:47:59.800 --> 1:48:02.400 was actually seventy one times in Australia, so that's actually 1:48:02.400 --> 1:48:05.240 come down on a relative basis. But again when we 1:48:05.280 --> 1:48:08.760 look at places like the US, there's recent research over 1:48:08.760 --> 1:48:11.160 there that says it's like three hundred and fifty times 1:48:11.160 --> 1:48:15.360 the media and employee. So we've got to really watch 1:48:15.360 --> 1:48:16.040 this carefully. 1:48:16.640 --> 1:48:19.240 Of course, you know, in an aspirational society, you know, 1:48:19.280 --> 1:48:21.120 we all want to get to those levels and be 1:48:21.160 --> 1:48:23.680 able to earn that kind of money. But getting back 1:48:23.680 --> 1:48:26.160 to the point about shareholders, they do get a bit upset, 1:48:26.200 --> 1:48:29.800 don't they, Particularly when a company isn't performing well and 1:48:29.840 --> 1:48:33.120 the CEO is well remunerated, and then you've got the 1:48:33.120 --> 1:48:35.320 golden parachute, which we'll talk about in a minute. So 1:48:35.720 --> 1:48:38.360 these things they are scrutinized, aren't they at that level? 1:48:39.080 --> 1:48:41.760 Oh you spot on Bill, And really I think for 1:48:41.880 --> 1:48:44.360 many people it's a case of value for money. We 1:48:44.439 --> 1:48:46.600 can think of those CEOs of those companies that have 1:48:46.680 --> 1:48:51.320 really delivered over time, but in some cases you see 1:48:51.400 --> 1:48:55.000 big bonuses where again the performance isn't there and things 1:48:55.040 --> 1:48:58.080 have actually gone backwards, and that's where investors get very, 1:48:58.160 --> 1:48:58.879 very concerned. 1:49:00.280 --> 1:49:02.280 Is this sometimes a case of just trying to get 1:49:02.360 --> 1:49:04.160 rid of somebody and pay them whatever it takes. 1:49:05.439 --> 1:49:07.360 Well, yeah, when it comes to some of these golden 1:49:07.360 --> 1:49:10.120 parachutes that say yes, And there's often very little detail 1:49:10.160 --> 1:49:13.280 when people step aside, a lot of discussion of spending 1:49:13.280 --> 1:49:15.679 more time with family or spending more time in the garden. 1:49:15.800 --> 1:49:19.439 But I think the big, big concern is, and we 1:49:19.479 --> 1:49:22.839 saw this after the financial crisis, when so many companies 1:49:22.880 --> 1:49:26.320 and people are impacted, that there's something like eighty million 1:49:26.360 --> 1:49:29.720 dollars paid out in these golden parachutes, which was a 1:49:29.800 --> 1:49:33.679 huge hit. Whereas today those numbers have come a long 1:49:33.720 --> 1:49:37.400 way down. And part of that is investors are able 1:49:37.400 --> 1:49:41.880 to vote no on large termination payments and golden parachutes, 1:49:41.920 --> 1:49:45.160 and that's happening more often, which is again a good shift. 1:49:45.520 --> 1:49:47.920 Fair enough to before I let you go, Sorry, we're 1:49:48.200 --> 1:49:49.840 running out of time today. It's been one of those 1:49:49.880 --> 1:49:51.840 kinds of shows. What are the interesting trends did you 1:49:51.880 --> 1:49:53.840 observe in this data? 1:49:54.920 --> 1:49:57.479 Well, I think the big thing and you touched on 1:49:57.720 --> 1:50:01.640 that the golden parachutes teramination pay at lowest level in 1:50:01.720 --> 1:50:06.639 fifteen years. That's significant. The holding flat across the top 1:50:06.680 --> 1:50:09.640 one hundred is significant. And again we think it's that 1:50:09.720 --> 1:50:13.400 activity of investors, so super funds, Mum and Dad investors, 1:50:13.400 --> 1:50:16.800 fund managers actually shining a light on these and also 1:50:17.040 --> 1:50:20.880 voting no when that comes up. And we've also seen, 1:50:22.320 --> 1:50:24.240 you know, really some of the bigger names or the 1:50:24.240 --> 1:50:28.439 bigger numbers do come from offshore companies and particularly US companies, 1:50:28.439 --> 1:50:30.320 and that's something we're going to have to continue to 1:50:30.360 --> 1:50:33.320 watch and certainly watch over the coming reporting season. 1:50:33.600 --> 1:50:36.760 Yeah, let's shareholders for what it's worth and how many 1:50:36.800 --> 1:50:39.280 we have. Keep the buggers honest as we must do. 1:50:39.600 --> 1:50:41.240 Ed John, thank you very much for your time. Mate. 1:50:41.840 --> 1:50:42.560 Cheers Phil, thank you. 1:50:42.760 --> 1:50:45.240 John's the manager of Stewardship for the Australian Councilor of 1:50:45.240 --> 1:50:48.280 Superannuation Investors. Now we need to get on the track 1:50:48.280 --> 1:50:49.920 of the day because I don't want to stop giving 1:50:49.920 --> 1:50:53.120 stuff away. I kind of enjoy it. Congratulations to Jeff 1:50:53.160 --> 1:50:55.760 from Georgia's Hall. It was our track of the day. 1:50:55.800 --> 1:50:58.160 When a well done Jeff, because he got the answer 1:50:58.240 --> 1:51:00.479 right on this day. In nineteen seventy eight, Field the 1:51:00.520 --> 1:51:03.920 Cat made his US comic strip debut published in forty 1:51:03.920 --> 1:51:07.959 one newspapers, and it was created, of course by Jim Davis, 1:51:08.439 --> 1:51:11.720 who he actually named the cat after his grandfather, who 1:51:11.760 --> 1:51:13.880 was James A. Garfield Davis. By the way, if you 1:51:13.920 --> 1:51:15.840 want a bit of trivia there and they went on 1:51:15.880 --> 1:51:17.400 to make movies about and everything. You've won the one 1:51:17.439 --> 1:51:19.920 hundred and fifty dollars out at the B Store, Jeff Shoes, 1:51:19.960 --> 1:51:23.679 you love comfort, You'll live in Birkenstock, Blundstone fit Flop, MBT, 1:51:23.800 --> 1:51:26.559 Frankie four and a lot more Macquarie Center or Westfield 1:51:26.560 --> 1:51:28.960 Miranda if you want to get into the B store. 1:51:29.400 --> 1:51:30.639 Time now to get into Sydney. 1:51:30.680 --> 1:51:30.800 Now. 1:51:30.800 --> 1:51:32.920 It's been wonderful chatting with you for the last couple 1:51:32.960 --> 1:51:35.320 of days. Michael McLaren will be back tomorrow. Stand by 1:51:35.360 --> 1:51:36.639 for Clinton. Maynard by for now.