1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: Slippery Slope, a true crime podcast about Mount Io and 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: the Missing water Slide with Dave O'Neill and Brad Oaks. 3 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 2: Hello, it's Dave O'Neill and Bradford os and. 4 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 3: It's episode three of our podcast, Slippery Slope. Now let's 5 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 3: get you one up to speak. They're just tuned in 6 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 3: Mount Eyes. Are wanted the water slide. They got it 7 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 3: made in Turkey and at the end of the last episode, 8 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 3: what happened Bradford. 9 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: Well, the slide didn't turn up. 10 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 3: No. 11 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 2: No, it's a pretty big thing to go missing, isn't it. 12 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 3: Yes, So it's on a ship. It's on its way 13 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 3: through the Sewer's Canal and there's some kind of pirate incident. 14 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 4: Just for geography, Yes, it's Sewers Canal. Then it becomes 15 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 4: the Red Sea and then I believe it goes into 16 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 4: the Gulf of Oman, Yeah, and then into the Indian 17 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:01,319 Speaker 4: Ocean and on. 18 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 3: The other side it's the Mediterranean. 19 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 2: And Mediterranean exactly. 20 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 3: If you're coming from Turkey, you're coming through the Red 21 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 3: Sea into the Sewers Canal into the Mediterraneans. 22 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: Correct, it's a shortcut. It's a shortcut so that you 23 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 2: have to go all the way around down past All Africa. 24 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 2: I think it's quite a devilish as well to. 25 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 3: Go past and South Africa's on the bottom, and then 26 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 3: you've got to go up and it's another week or 27 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 3: two weeks or something. Yeah, well, let's get a bit 28 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 3: more information from Mark Miller, the project manager. 29 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 5: Turkey's I suppose that's where the one of the main 30 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 5: manufacturers for the water slides are and cost of fishient 31 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 5: time efficient's questionable, but definitely cost efficient. So originally it 32 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 5: was a sixteen week procurement lead time which turned into 33 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 5: I think just over twenty four weeks up. 34 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 3: What were the delays? There were rumors of pirate. 35 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 5: The pirate rumors are pretty much true. There was. There 36 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 5: was a bit of an issue the Sew's Canal where 37 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 5: one of the continents got herld up and pirates seemed 38 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 5: to take a bit of a lake into the slides 39 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 5: and off off that went. 40 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 3: Where did it go? Maybe? 41 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, the pirates love slides. Maybe they've got their own 42 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 5: little water parks somewhere. Pirates of the Caribbean, you know, 43 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 5: they love it. 44 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 3: So what did it go missing? Or did you find it? 45 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 2: Or they went missing? 46 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 5: So they then to re manufacture and we send out 47 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 5: more doc in hence the heavy delay to the project. 48 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 3: The original water slide actually went. 49 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 2: Missing parts, parts of it in parts. 50 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 3: Was this in the Sewer's Canal after the Sewers Canals? 51 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 5: I believe it's in the siouxse Canal. 52 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 3: Well, that's interesting he believes it happened in the Sewers Canal. 53 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 3: But what is the history of the Sewers Canal. 54 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 2: I think the French started to build it. 55 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 3: I remember seeing photos of it being dug out by shovels. 56 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,119 Speaker 4: In seventeen ninety eight, Napoleon tried to find the remnants 57 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 4: of an ancient waterway. Oh, which just started this conversation 58 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,679 Speaker 4: about this was canw A bit like the trains of 59 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 4: an Olburne Airport gets talked about a lot. 60 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, people get their photo taken, but nothing much happens. 61 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 3: I remember when it was built because of the Crown. 62 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 3: I saw it in the Crown. NASA controlled it. 63 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 4: It opened in under French control in eighteen sixty nine, right, 64 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 4: I think people kind of squabble over it for years, 65 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 4: but then NASA, the Egyptian president. 66 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 2: Well, I can read this here. 67 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 4: In nineteen fifty one, Egypt repudiated the nineteen thirty six 68 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 4: Treaty with Great Britain. Britain had to remove their troops 69 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 4: nineteen fifty six. NASA responded by nationalizing the canal on 70 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 4: twenty sixth July nineteen fifty six. 71 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 3: There was a bit of a hooha about that because 72 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 3: that's in the crown, so NASA president of Egypt. Yeah, 73 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 3: he was one that controlled it. 74 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 4: In the end, it became an enormous source of revenue 75 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 4: for them because how much does. 76 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 3: It go through? I think it's six hundred grand, isn't 77 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 3: it for a ship? Six hundred grand? 78 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's there's your city link, as you're told. 79 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 4: But importantly it's a US dollars as a great source 80 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 4: of US dollars. Everybody has to pay and use of dollars, 81 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 4: which leads me to think that it's gold mine and 82 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 4: for Egypt. 83 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's not that white. I know, it's not 84 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 3: that wide, so it would be easy to attack in it, 85 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 3: but it'd be hard to get out anyway. We need 86 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 3: a bit more information about the actual attack, like what 87 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 3: happened was eating stolen. Let's go to Daniel from Simplex, 88 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 3: who was involved in making the slide and delivering the slide. 89 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 6: It goes into production and yeah, it all comes in 90 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 6: forty four containers with the steel work and all the 91 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 6: bolts like a package sort of kit, and with drawings. 92 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 6: It don't make sense. And then you try and put 93 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 6: it all together over here. 94 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 3: Now, what happened with the Mountay as a water slide. 95 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 6: It's a little bit hard to get an extension of 96 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 6: time when you approach the council and say pirates were. 97 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 3: Involved, right, so pirates were involved. 98 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 6: Pirates were involved. I think the pirates actually boarded the ship. 99 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 6: I don't know if it was Jack Sparrow or not. 100 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 6: That's unconfirmed. 101 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 3: Okay, so pirates were definitely involved. I don't really understand 102 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 3: how they got actually got the stuff, because when we 103 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 3: think of containers on a ship, they're closed off, you know, 104 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 3: the big classic metal containers that we see on trucks, 105 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 3: on trains, et cetera. But apparently these were something called 106 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 3: I think open top containers. Well, let Daniel explain. 107 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 6: The steel work comes with no lids. They're open top containers. 108 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 6: All the steel works they loaded in from the top. 109 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 6: When it turns up the site, you unloaded with a 110 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 6: crane or a front and rip it out from the 111 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 6: top at all fiberglasses in what we call high kids, 112 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 6: which are a little bit higher than normal containers, and 113 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 6: they pack all the fiberglass pieces in sections like that. 114 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 6: It's actually quite a skillful process to pack a forty 115 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 6: foot container tightly with fiberglass. If customs end up getting 116 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 6: it and rip it all out, they can never get 117 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 6: it back in, which is normally one of our issues 118 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 6: we can have. 119 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 3: Right So, now understand that the containers are open, you 120 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 3: can actually get in there and have a look and 121 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 3: get stuff out. Interesting that both the guys have mentioned 122 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 3: Jack Sparrow a. 123 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 2: Bit of sadness for me. 124 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 4: There's so many other pirates, I know, you know, why 125 00:05:58,360 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 4: would Jack Sparrow be. 126 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 2: Captain Kid. You've got black Beard captain more than you've 127 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 2: got Captain Pugwash captain. I don't know if his I 128 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: don't think he was. I think it was. I think 129 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 2: it was Jack Sparrow. 130 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 3: He's everyone mentions Jack Sparrow, Captain Hook, Captain Hook from 131 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 3: just you know, and don't reckon that story was just 132 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 3: made up as they went along. 133 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 2: How he lose his hand on crocodile? Come on, mate, Yes, 134 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 2: he's got the ball. 135 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 3: Well, because we all think of pirates are something cute, 136 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 3: a parrot on their shoulder, a wooden leg, But of 137 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 3: course these are like Somali pirates. 138 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 4: I have a pirate joke. Well, everybody knows the joke. 139 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 4: What's the pirate's favorite leader? Well, no, in fact, it's 140 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 4: the seas all. 141 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 3: Right, But have you seen that Tom Hanks movie Mister 142 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 3: Roberts where he's it's it's just it's like he's on 143 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 3: a big cargo ship and Somali pirates board and capture 144 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 3: the vessel. So it's those kinds of pirates. Yeah, I 145 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 3: believe it's not the cute pirates. 146 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 4: Not a few pirates, and it's not the people who 147 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 4: back in the nineties were. 148 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 2: Just copying videos. They were pirates. 149 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 3: Oh yes, video pirates. 150 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 4: The number one conserned the FBI at one stage. 151 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a crime. 152 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 3: Well, you know, Fast and Furious was about copying DVDs. 153 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 3: The first movie was about DVD theft. 154 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: I had no idea. Yeah, I've never seen any of them. 155 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 3: Are there any other mentions of Jack Sparrow from anyone 156 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 3: on this podcast. Let's go to Cogo, the deputy mayor 157 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:28,239 Speaker 3: of Mount iSER. 158 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 7: Yeah, someone probably in Somalia has got half a slide, 159 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 7: so I don't know what they're doing with it. And 160 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 7: when they said pirates, I'm like, oh, Jack Sparrow, So 161 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 7: Jack Sparrot's the only pirate I'd like to meet. 162 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 3: There we go another. Jack Sparrow mentioned you've got to 163 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 3: imagine though, so the pirates of the board of the ship, 164 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 3: they've got part of the water slide or something's happening. 165 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 3: But what's happening in Mount iSER. I mean, that's a 166 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 3: long way from the Sewers Canal, isn't it. 167 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: It's a long way from any water. It really does. 168 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Here's Danny l the former mayor. 169 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 8: So when they said to me that the ship had 170 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 8: been taken over by pirates, and to me, it was 171 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,559 Speaker 8: like the dogs ate my homework. You know, they haven't 172 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 8: ordered it. They're delaying and on purpose, and they're just 173 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 8: trying to get it after the elections. So it's not 174 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 8: something I could point and say to see, look what I've. 175 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 3: Done, you know, Yeah, Daniel the former me, well, I 176 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 3: suppose with local politics, people could be thinking this is 177 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 3: just something's made up, pirates in the Sewers Canal. 178 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 4: You're like, what it sounds like something Buiolchie Peterson would 179 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 4: have said in the seventies or eighties. 180 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: You know, well, you know. 181 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 9: Pirates, Jack, get out, bloody Jacks Barro or Bob Catter 182 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 9: would say, So let's cross the Shae Donovan, she actually 183 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 9: runs the aquatic center of the pull Man is where 184 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 9: the water slide is meant to be, So she's waiting 185 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 9: for the water slide. 186 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 3: This is what she had to say when she heard 187 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 3: about the pirates. 188 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 10: So I wasn't too sure what was going on because Mark, 189 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 10: the project manager, is a bit of a joker and 190 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 10: if there's something delayed in a contractor might be a 191 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 10: day late delivering something, he'll make a bit of a 192 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 10: joke about it. So I didn't really believe what he 193 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 10: was telling us. I thought it was just some gimmick 194 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 10: he was coming up with something. But then when we 195 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 10: found out for real it was a pirate attack on 196 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 10: the ship that was carrying the containers, Yeah, it was 197 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 10: a little bit like, oh, okay, of course this has 198 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 10: happened to us in Mount Eysa. What else would happen? 199 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 3: Shay, who runs a pool in man eyes hats off 200 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 3: to her. She didn't mention Jack Sparrow When talking about pirates, 201 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 3: she's been the first not to mention Jack Sparrow. So okay, 202 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 3: there seems to be disagreement about where the attack actually happened. 203 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 3: Let's got to Mark Miller, the project manager. 204 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 5: I believe it's in the Sioux's Canal, and then the 205 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 5: rest of it got diversed. So then the diversion that 206 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 5: didn't have to go run. 207 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 3: The coast of Africa. 208 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 5: Then, but the pirates attacked in the Siouxs Canal. 209 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 3: Then of course that takes a lot longer to go 210 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 3: around the bottom of Africa. 211 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 5: Of course, of course, And he's the twenty four week delay. 212 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 6: No, I wasn't in the canal. Yeah, it was in 213 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 6: the ocean bits around there. Have you ever seen that 214 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 6: Tom Hanks movie where he's at the end he's going 215 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 6: like oh yeah, Like yeah, I'm pretty sure it was 216 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 6: those type of guys. 217 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: No, I don't really know. 218 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 6: We've had a bit of pirate activity, but none that 219 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 6: have ever boarded the actual ship. Last year especially, there 220 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 6: was constant pirate doos and like I said, that's hard 221 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 6: to get it over along with the client pirates again, 222 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 6: sorry you water slide I can installed in time. 223 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,599 Speaker 3: But right, So this seems to be a bit of disagreement. 224 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 3: That's Daniel there from Swimplex about where the attack actually happened. 225 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 3: What's your thinking, Bradford. You've become an expert on sewers 226 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 3: Canal via the internet piracy. 227 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 2: Well also I tracked down expert. 228 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 3: This is what we need. We need a piracy expert. 229 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, look, I was dubious in the 230 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 4: first place that anything would take part in a sewers canal, 231 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 4: just because of how much the Egyptian government would guard it. 232 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 2: And it's so narrow. 233 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 3: Least, yeah, yeah, narrow. 234 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, And as we'll discover, there's also a definition of 235 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 4: piracy that's going to come into play. 236 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 3: Really, and there's a HOOTI rebels. 237 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 2: Well there's HOOTI rebels. 238 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 4: And then so when people say Somali pirates, I looked 239 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 4: on the map and Somalia was like about well two 240 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 4: and a half thousand kilometers from the sewers Canal. 241 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: So that's a long way to go to work. 242 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 3: I mean, if you were a pirate, I mean it's 243 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 3: like sort of being in the nightclub or being outside 244 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 3: there's people lining up for the sewers Canal. Right, yeah, 245 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 3: now you could it's like lining up for a nightclub. 246 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 3: You wouldn't go into the nightclub, you'd I don't want 247 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 3: to talk about attacking people, but if you were going 248 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 3: to do something, surely you do it outside. Sure you 249 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 3: do it in the bit before the Sewers Canal. 250 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 4: Well, it depends if they're going the way they were coming. 251 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 4: Don't coming from Turkey. So they're coming down. 252 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, so they're coming down. 253 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 4: I think you turn left at Israel or something like that, 254 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 4: and then you come to the Sewers Canal and get 255 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 4: in the canal. 256 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 2: Then you go into I think the Red Sea, and 257 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 2: then like I said, I think it's the Gulf. 258 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 3: I'm learning that I don't know anything about geography. 259 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 4: And then well, because what you've got coming from Turkey's 260 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 4: basically that's the. 261 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 2: End of Europe. 262 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 4: Yes, to me, it was dubius. Although we should cut 263 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 4: to the expert. Yes, find out a bit about piracy. 264 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 3: Tamson Page is We'll let her introduce herself, but she's 265 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 3: an academic with many qualifications in this area. 266 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 2: Hello. 267 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 11: So I'm doctor Tamson Philip A. Page. I am an 268 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 11: associate professor at Deacon Law School. I did my m 269 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 11: phil at A and U studying the application of piracy 270 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 11: law in Somali counter piracy operations. And I did that 271 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 11: while also working with the UN Office on Drugs and Crime. 272 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 11: That about Somali piracy would have been in twenty twelve 273 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 11: and twenty thirteen. I've also got a PhD in International 274 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 11: security law, and I teach and research in international law 275 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 11: and legal ethics. 276 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 3: That's impressive. That's impressive. Is there piracy in the sewers Canal? 277 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 11: The question that becomes if it's piracy or something else, 278 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 11: because legally it actually wouldn't be piracy at a pure 279 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 11: legal level, which is really quite interesting in that regard 280 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 11: because of some quirks of jurisdiction. 281 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 3: Right, well, because of the sewers Canal. 282 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 11: Yeah, because the sewers Canal forms essentially they're straight for 283 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 11: international navigation. Piracy by legal definition can only occur in 284 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 11: international waters or the high seeds legally refer. 285 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:29,719 Speaker 3: To it, right, And so I mean, but are there 286 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 3: Somali pirates active in the sewers Canal? 287 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 11: Not? In the sewers They're active mostly through the Red 288 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 11: Sea and the Horn of Africa, so down kind of 289 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 11: at the point where you have the Red Sea going 290 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 11: out into the Indian Ocean through the Gulf of Aden 291 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 11: and all of those areas kind of with Somalia and 292 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 11: Yemen on either side of that exit from the Red Sea. 293 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 4: So if they're avowed pirates of declared pirates, but then 294 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 4: they actually committed crime in what is in international waters, 295 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 4: what do you designate them as. 296 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 11: Su as canal? My understanding is Egyptian territory. So essentially 297 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 11: they are just engaging in theft or larceny or whatever 298 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 11: under Egyptian law. Because they're committing it in Egyptian internal waters. 299 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 2: It seemed unlikely because the Egyptians seem to police it 300 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 2: so well, there wouldn't be a lot of crime going 301 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 2: on there, you know of that overt nature. 302 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 11: Well, I wouldn't expect so, but it is a major waterway, 303 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 11: as we all found out when the ever given ran 304 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 11: aground at all. Global trade stopped for a few weeks 305 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 11: while they dug it out. The designation of pirate versus 306 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 11: just theft is literally one of did it happen more 307 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 11: than twelve nautical miles from the coast of a state? 308 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 11: If yes, it's piracy, If no, it's just armed robbery. 309 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 11: At c right National Maritime Organation, when keeping statistics on 310 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 11: this treat them as the one set of crime. But 311 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 11: legally you're only a pirate if you're doing this on 312 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 11: the high seas. And there's a whole bunch of really 313 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 11: interesting international political reasons for that, But generally speaking, yeah, 314 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 11: if it's not happening on the high seas, you're not 315 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 11: doing piracy. You're just engaging in theft. 316 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 2: So it's a bit of a champagne versus sparkling wine thing, 317 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 2: isn't it? 318 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 11: It is? But the reasons for it are less because 319 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 11: the French are snotting and weird, and more because countries 320 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 11: like Philippines and Indonesia and things like that have vast 321 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 11: amounts of what we call archipelagic waters where they have 322 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 11: exclusive jurisdiction and they don't want Chinese and US militaries 323 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 11: just sending their navy patrolling through all of these waters 324 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 11: under the guise of counter piracy operations. 325 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 2: Wow. 326 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 3: And also in the Suits Canal recently there's been they're 327 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 3: not called pirates, are called rebels, the Hooti rebels, which 328 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 3: they seem to have a different aim than say, the 329 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 3: normal standard Somali pirate. Is that correct? 330 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 11: I mean, I'm reluctant to call them rebels because actually 331 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 11: they control seventy five percent of the populations in Yemen, 332 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 11: so calling them rebels seems to be a denial of 333 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 11: the fact that they are just the government of Yemen. Functionally. 334 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 11: These days, they're engaging in attacks on merchant shipping, they 335 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 11: claim out of solidarity and part of actions against Israel's 336 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 11: activities in Gaza. However, they're attacking merchant shipping, which is 337 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 11: just either a war crime or a crime against humanity. 338 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 11: It's either it's unlawful, regardless of the reasons for doing it. 339 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 11: But again, the question about whether or not that's piracy 340 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 11: comes down to whether or not you accept that the 341 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 11: Hohothies are just the government of Yemen or if they 342 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 11: are an independent belligerent organization that doesn't have governmental powers. 343 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 3: And they're not stealing stuff, are they? They just seemed 344 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 3: to get on boats and hold hostages and stuff. 345 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 11: They're not really stealing stuff. That doesn't mean Somali pirates 346 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 11: didn't really steal much either. Somali pirates were generally taking 347 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 11: ships hostage and holding them for ransom and then releasing 348 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,479 Speaker 11: them with all the cargo and crew after ransoms had 349 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 11: been paid. But the Huthi are often doing a lot 350 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 11: of attacks with drones and things like that and sinking 351 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 11: motion shipping as well as hostage taking, etc. Their goal 352 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 11: is not economic, whereas Somali pirates goal was purely economic. 353 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 3: So with this case that we're looking into, people are 354 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 3: in disagree about where the actual attack happened, but they 355 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 3: do believe that the so called pirates boarded the ship 356 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 3: and stole stuff. But I'm pretty sure now that we 357 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 3: talked to you and other accounts that it was in 358 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 3: the Red Sea. So they all seem to think it 359 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 3: was Somali pirates. Why would they take bits of a 360 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 3: water slide? They wouldn't know what that was, surely, I. 361 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 11: Don't know whether they know it was. I mean that said, 362 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 11: they'd probably be able to tell what a water slide 363 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 11: is in Somalia just as well as anywhere else. However, 364 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 11: it all comes down to economics. Like pirates are driven 365 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 11: by what can we sell or in the case of 366 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 11: hostage shaking, how can we make a profit to make 367 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 11: ends meet in an area that has been destroyed by 368 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 11: civil war since nineteen ninety two. But the northern regions 369 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 11: are fairly stable with autonomous governments, but those governments aren't 370 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 11: recognized internationally, so they have no trade or anything else 371 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 11: that sustains an economy, so enter piracy as an economic alternative. 372 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 4: So they do have that range then to travel all 373 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 4: the way up into the Red Sea. 374 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 11: They have been attacked from Somali pirates up to four 375 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 11: hundred nautical miles off into the Indian Ocean off the 376 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 11: coast of Somalia. They have significant range, usually because they 377 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 11: usually use ocean going fishing vessels as motherships to then 378 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 11: launch boarding skiffs to board ships. They will kind of 379 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 11: then have ladders with hooks that they'll attached to the 380 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 11: side of the cargo vessel and climb up with their 381 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 11: assault rifles to take control of it, take control of 382 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 11: a ship, and quite frequently they'll fire rocket propelled grenades 383 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 11: from these boarding skiffs at the cargo vessels in an 384 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 11: attempt to get them to surrender before boarding. 385 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 3: Well, and I read somewhere that they're mainly ex fishermen. 386 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 3: Is that right because they're fishing was ruined or is 387 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 3: that just like an over myth. 388 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 11: Originally there was some veracity to that because with the 389 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 11: entire lack of government in Somalia, what you had is 390 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 11: an inability to enforce fishing rights licensing, so a lot 391 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 11: of foreign fishing fleets were coming in and effectively poaching 392 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 11: Somali in the Somali Exclusive Economic Zone of what would 393 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 11: be Somali fish stocks. So you did have that element 394 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 11: going on when kind of we started seeing the rise 395 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 11: of Somali piracy in two thousand and seven, but mostly 396 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 11: that's kind of abated as a reason, and it became 397 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 11: very swiftly an organized crime organization rather than rogue former fishermen. 398 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 4: Right, excellent in terms of heists, if you like, I 399 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 4: would consider that the slides are fairly exotic thing to 400 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 4: steal as opposed to weapons and things for resale. Have 401 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 4: you heard of any other kind of exotic heists in 402 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:34,959 Speaker 4: that region? 403 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 11: There was one, I can't remember the exact incident. A 404 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 11: cargo vessel that was actually transporting a whole bunch of 405 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 11: Russian military equipment that was being sold by Russia elsewhere 406 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 11: got hijacked and held hostage for ransom by Somali pirates, 407 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 11: and when the ransom finally got negotiated and paid, all 408 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 11: of the armaments and military equipment was still on board 409 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 11: the ship. They didn't take it because it would have 410 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 11: been bad for business. So if they're taking a water slide. 411 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 11: It's either because they wanted to install it to use 412 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 11: or they had a market for it. 413 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 3: A market for the water slide. That's fascinating. 414 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 4: There's no chance of finding these people, but what would 415 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 4: happen to them if it was piracy. 416 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 11: When you have people caught for piracy, what you first 417 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 11: then need to find is is there a nation state 418 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 11: that's willing to prosecute them for piracy? Because under the 419 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 11: Law of the Sea Convention, everyone has jurisdiction over piracy, 420 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 11: so anyone can engage in prosecution, which does lead us 421 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 11: to the situation where we have some pretty wild situations 422 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 11: with piracy prosecutions. A lot of my work was on 423 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 11: how do we prosecute pirates? And realistically, ninety eight percent 424 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 11: of pirates who are captured are released without charge because 425 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 11: there's no capacity to actually engage in prosecution. And most 426 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 11: states see no point or purpose in prosecuting the at 427 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 11: sea pirates because they're not the ones in charge, So 428 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 11: most states will only prosecute the people in charge, which 429 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 11: does lead us to the hilarious situation of the prosecution 430 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 11: in Belgian of Afwani Senior. So Afwani Senior was a 431 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 11: Somali organized crime group leader ran a piracy syndicate and 432 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 11: engaged in a number of different hijackings and ransoms and 433 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 11: what have you, and hostage takings that so happened to 434 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 11: be one of them was a Belgian ship. Eventually he said, no, look, 435 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 11: I've given up piracy. Piracy is wrong. I'm now going 436 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 11: to reinvest all my profits of piracy and community building 437 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 11: within Somalia, etc. And so then the Belgian Ministry of 438 00:22:55,040 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 11: Justice sent pretended to be a Belgian film industry rep 439 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 11: and invited him to Belgium to consult on a documentary 440 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 11: about Somali piracy, which he then for some reason accepted 441 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 11: the invitation and flew to Belgium, where he was promptly 442 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 11: arrested for hostage taking of this Belgian ship. What had 443 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 11: Earth possessed him to think that that was a legitimate invitation, 444 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 11: I'll never know. And we've also had similar ones where 445 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 11: a pirate negotiator was invited to the US under the 446 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 11: guise of attending an education conference and was then arrested 447 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 11: for piracy as well. So you see a few weird 448 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 11: ones like that come up around piracy prosecutions where they 449 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 11: finally get enough evidence to prosecute one of the people 450 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 11: in charge and concoct these wild schemes to get them 451 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 11: out of Somalia into a jurisdiction where they can arrest them. 452 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 3: That's so interesting, isn't it. Tams and Page, who's like 453 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 3: an expert in this area. 454 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 2: And from taking universe, but based on camera. 455 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 3: Incredible and community building. That says to me, water slide? 456 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 3: So was it piracy or just common theft? 457 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 2: Brad? I think it's got to be twelve miles out. 458 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 4: You know, you can be kind of sailing in and 459 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 4: out of international waters and all of a sudden it's 460 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 4: just last weeking. 461 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 2: Now it's piracy, last wening piracy. 462 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 3: Do they have a compass to work that out. We 463 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 3: don't want to be pirates, would rather be thieves. And 464 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 3: I do question, Like she said that the Somali pirates 465 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 3: would know what a water slide is. I don't know 466 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 3: if they would, you reckon, they'd look at it and go, 467 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,719 Speaker 3: we could use this for irrigation or something. 468 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 2: Well, look, I don't know. You can you can buy 469 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 2: a lamp at Ikea and look at it in the 470 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 2: box and you think, no way is that lamp? Yes, 471 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 2: no way in the world is that lamp. You wouldn't 472 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 2: look at it, you just I reckon. You think there's weapons. 473 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 3: Well, so you look at the fiberglass bits and the 474 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 3: metal and go, what what is this now? 475 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 4: Well you could you know, even if you could picture 476 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 4: it in your mind, you go, you could launch like 477 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 4: a big rock down here. 478 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 3: Turning into a rock launcher. Not a rocket launcher, No 479 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 3: rock launcher. Well that's the end of the episode. And 480 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 3: so basically we're leaving you with stuff's being stolen. What's 481 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 3: going to happen is Mound and Eyes are going to 482 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 3: get their water slide. You'll find out next episode. 483 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 7: Than you are right, the goalpost just kept getting further 484 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 7: and further away. 485 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 10: Two big trucks arrived with these containers on the back. 486 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 7: When I got in there, it's pitch black. You can't 487 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 7: see anything. 488 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: Slippery Slope a true crime podcast about Mount iSER and 489 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: the missing water Slide with Dave O'Neill and Bradoaks. 490 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 3: Slippery Slope is written and hosted by Dave O'Neill and Bradoaks. 491 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 3: Original music created by Itinerant Productions. Cheer their website. There's 492 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 3: some great stuff there ww dot Itinerantproduction dot com. 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