WEBVTT - The fight for life 

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<v Speaker 1>Nine podcasts. In this episode, an intensive care specialist recalls

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<v Speaker 1>the efforts of doctors to save the lunch guests and

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<v Speaker 1>how close they thought. Ian Wilkinson came to dine.

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<v Speaker 2>Victoria's mushroom mystery. The mushroom lunch that claimed three lives

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<v Speaker 2>an Australian family's meal is now the center of a

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<v Speaker 2>homicide investigation.

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<v Speaker 3>For bizarre tragedy now grabbing global headlines.

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron Patterson's alleged victims died after eating a family lunch

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<v Speaker 2>she'd serve them at her home. I cannot think of

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<v Speaker 2>another investigation that has generated this level of media and

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<v Speaker 2>public interest.

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<v Speaker 1>Four of the guests of that lunch were much loved

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<v Speaker 1>members of this church.

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<v Speaker 3>Only one will ever return.

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<v Speaker 2>People are feeling very heavy with having lost such wonderful people.

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<v Speaker 1>Today, Aaron Patterson remained here inside her home. She's continued

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<v Speaker 1>to plead her innocence in a court room in Country Victoria.

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Patterson is on trial accused of using death cat

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<v Speaker 1>mushrooms to kill She's pleaded not guilty to murdering three

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<v Speaker 1>of her former in laws and attempting to kill a

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<v Speaker 1>fourth the town's church pastor. It's up to the jurors

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<v Speaker 1>to decide what happened when Pattison's loved ones sat down

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<v Speaker 1>to eat. So in this episode, we're going to go

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<v Speaker 1>through the evidence of a professor, an intensive care specialist,

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<v Speaker 1>who gave some very detailed evidence as he spoke about

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<v Speaker 1>the treatment that the four lunch guests that's Donegale Patterson,

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<v Speaker 1>and Ian and Heather Wilkinson received at Melbourne's Austin Hospital. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>while all of this was being relayed in court, there

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<v Speaker 1>were a number of family members and Ian Wilkinson himself

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<v Speaker 1>in the room.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>There was Ian sitting in the back row next to

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<v Speaker 2>his two daughters, and there was others sitting in the

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<v Speaker 2>front row as well, maybe just under a dozen different

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<v Speaker 2>members of the families. We know that throughout the trial

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<v Speaker 2>many have been present, but there's also a significant number

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<v Speaker 2>of members of the public now attending. They sit in

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<v Speaker 2>the corner on the right hand side of the courtroom, Penny.

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<v Speaker 2>There's also a number of members of the public that

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<v Speaker 2>are sitting shoulder to shoulder with.

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<v Speaker 1>Them, and we did see during parts of this evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>which was at the end of the fourth week of

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<v Speaker 1>this trial, Aaron Patterson sitting in the Dock did appear

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<v Speaker 1>quite emotional at times at times to be quite distressed

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<v Speaker 1>while hearing, particularly about the conditions of the female lunch guests.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll sort of come back and forth to you

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<v Speaker 1>throughout this episode to sort of update on what was

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<v Speaker 1>happening in the courtroom at the time and different parts

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<v Speaker 1>of the evidence. But there are quite a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>large segments of what was heard in the courtroom to

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<v Speaker 1>make up this episode, because we really want people to

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<v Speaker 1>understand what it was like listening to this particular doctor's

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<v Speaker 1>very detailed evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>He gave evidence via video link beamed into the courtroom

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<v Speaker 2>from a remote location for the jury to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to observe, and he really took the jury through the

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<v Speaker 2>final days of the lunch guests who passed away. We

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<v Speaker 2>know three passed away and Ian Wilkinson survived, but we

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<v Speaker 2>also heard a lot about e Wilkinson's medical diagnoses and

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<v Speaker 2>what was going on in terms of his treatment plan

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<v Speaker 2>in hospital as well. We've got a real sense of

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<v Speaker 2>the incredible efforts that were underway behind the scenes to

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<v Speaker 2>do what they could to save all four lunch guests.

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<v Speaker 2>We know that three of them passed away in early August,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty three. But Ian Wilkinson was present in court

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<v Speaker 2>while all of that was detailed, and also his own

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<v Speaker 2>medical history and what went on for him. He was

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<v Speaker 2>sitting there listening to that as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Who you'll be hearing the words of today is Professor

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen Worrelow. Now, as we mentioned, he's an intensive care

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<v Speaker 1>specialist with Melbourne's Austin Hospital and he details some of

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<v Speaker 1>the not only his experience but also the hospitals in

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<v Speaker 1>what you'll be hearing throughout this evidence. So we'll start

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<v Speaker 1>off with what the court was basically taken through and

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<v Speaker 1>this was following some evidence given by the professor that

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<v Speaker 1>Don Patterson had arrived from karen Burrow Urgent Care to Dandyong,

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<v Speaker 1>that he'd then come on to the Austin Hospital and

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<v Speaker 1>at the time that he arrived into the Austin Hospital

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<v Speaker 1>on the thirty first of July twenty twenty three, he

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<v Speaker 1>had already been diagnosed with acute liver failure by the

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<v Speaker 1>critically unwell by the staff at Dandenong. They'd made that

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<v Speaker 1>diagnosis and these different parts of evidence you'll be hearing

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<v Speaker 1>all the referencing specific patients and different lunch guests at

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<v Speaker 1>different times, but we'll begin with what the professor was

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<v Speaker 1>telling the court about Don Patterson. This is while he

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<v Speaker 1>was speaking with Sarah Lenthial from the prosecution.

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<v Speaker 3>The cause of the acute liver failure was considered most

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<v Speaker 3>likely to be amanita mushrooms. Yes, that's correct, and he

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<v Speaker 3>was referred to the Austin in anticipation of rapidly deteriorating

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<v Speaker 3>and needing advanced therapies. Is that right?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, that's correct.

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<v Speaker 3>Is there a reason why the Austin was the preferred

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<v Speaker 3>destination for a patient like Donald Patterson?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, The Austin hosts the state Liver Transplant Service, and

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<v Speaker 4>so any patients from Victoria or adjacent regions and nearby

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<v Speaker 4>states would be referred to our of US because we

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<v Speaker 4>have a comprehensive program to support patients and specific liver

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<v Speaker 4>problems up to an including liver transplantation if that's needed.

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<v Speaker 3>Had the Austin treated patients with amanita mushroom poisoning before?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, we have.

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<v Speaker 3>And have you been involved in the care of patients

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<v Speaker 3>with amanita mushroom poisoning before?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes? I have.

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<v Speaker 3>What was Donald Patterson's condition when he arrived at the Austin.

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<v Speaker 4>He was critically ill and in multiple organ failure. I

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<v Speaker 4>can go into more details.

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<v Speaker 3>Perhaps there were various blood tests which indicated he was

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<v Speaker 3>critically unwell.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, so we identified that he had a severe liver

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<v Speaker 4>injury and severe liver failure. Measurements of specific substance in

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<v Speaker 4>the blood were extremely high, consistent with severe or massive

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<v Speaker 4>liver injury. We also saw that as blood clotting measurements

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<v Speaker 4>were grossly abnormal, consistent with liver failure, and he had

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<v Speaker 4>a rain of other abnormalities including a build up of

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<v Speaker 4>acid in the blood and a buildup of ammonia in

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<v Speaker 4>the blood.

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<v Speaker 3>Was Donald Patterson receiving various treatments when he arrived at

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<v Speaker 3>the Austin he was.

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<v Speaker 4>Our colleagues at Dandenong Hospital had already commenced a range

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<v Speaker 4>of treatments to try and help support him.

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<v Speaker 3>He was sedated and intubated.

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<v Speaker 4>That's correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, So the court was taken through the professor's evidence

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<v Speaker 1>of what being intubated meant. And as we've mentioned, he

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<v Speaker 1>is a intensive care specialist, so he was saying that

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<v Speaker 1>during all of a lot of these elements he's talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>these people are in the ICU in intensive care and

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<v Speaker 1>on a breathing machine, so they're being ventilated with a

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<v Speaker 1>tube down their mouth at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And the order of arrival was something else that

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<v Speaker 2>the jury was taken through, Penny. We heard that Don

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<v Speaker 2>arrived first and then hours later he was followed by

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<v Speaker 2>his wife, Gail, and then the next morning Gail's sister

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<v Speaker 2>Heather arrived shortly before her husband, Ian Wilkinson arrived. So

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<v Speaker 2>that was the order of for two days, really following

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<v Speaker 2>each other in pretty quick succession was Don, Gale, Heather

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<v Speaker 2>and Ian.

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<v Speaker 3>And a lot of what.

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<v Speaker 1>The court was taken through in this evidence was the

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<v Speaker 1>different treatments that people were given, those efforts of staff

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<v Speaker 1>that you spoke about before, but also a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the testing and investigation that doctors were doing to try

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<v Speaker 1>and find out what the exact cause was. As you

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<v Speaker 1>just heard there, they believed the cause to be aminita

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<v Speaker 1>mushroom poisoning. There were some other tests that were carried out.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a little bit more of the evidence. It's no

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<v Speaker 1>one's real voice now.

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<v Speaker 3>Were various tests carried out to try to pinpoint the

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<v Speaker 3>cause of Donald's acute liver failure.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, a range of investigations were undertaken to try and

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<v Speaker 4>find other possible causes. Those included blood tests, some imaging,

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<v Speaker 4>and ultrasounds to try and test for specific viruses that

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<v Speaker 4>can cause liver failure, to try and make sure that

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<v Speaker 4>there wasn't another possible cause for why he was so sick.

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<v Speaker 3>And what were the results of all those tests.

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<v Speaker 4>There was no evidence of any other cause of his

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<v Speaker 4>acute liver failure And.

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<v Speaker 3>What did you in the team at the Austin ultimately

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<v Speaker 3>accept the cause of the acute liver failure to be for.

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<v Speaker 4>Donald, Amanita mushroom poisoning causing acute liver failure.

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<v Speaker 3>And was that because of the known consumption of mushrooms

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<v Speaker 3>by Donald and others?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, we had been alerted to a cluster of cases

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<v Speaker 4>of patients that had we were advised, had consumed the

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<v Speaker 4>same meal that it contained mushrooms and that they had

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<v Speaker 4>all become very unwell. And that is not an unusual

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<v Speaker 4>story for Amanita.

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<v Speaker 3>And was that diagnosis also made because of a clinical

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<v Speaker 3>cause highly consistent with Amanita mushroom ingestion?

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, his clinical course was pretty typical for a severe

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<v Speaker 4>poisoning of Amanita mushrooms.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, throughout this evidence, as we were talking about before,

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<v Speaker 1>there were treatments mentioned as well, and one of the

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<v Speaker 1>first ones that was mentioned was something called multi dose

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<v Speaker 1>activated charcolind Yes. It was explained that this is something

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<v Speaker 1>that while the amenita poison is in the body, the

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<v Speaker 1>body team to sort of start to recycle that inside,

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<v Speaker 1>and that the use of the charcoal is in an

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<v Speaker 1>attempt to medically remove that poison from someone's bows specifically

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<v Speaker 1>and get that out of the body by interrupting the

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<v Speaker 1>recycling process.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Professor Worlow is explaining that it is largely the

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<v Speaker 2>liver that takes a real hit from this poison, but

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<v Speaker 2>also the bow as well, and he explained that there

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<v Speaker 2>actually isn't really a test to test for toxic mushroom poisoning.

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<v Speaker 2>Rather it's a focus on the treatment of the symptoms.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's weighing up all the evidence and I guess

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<v Speaker 2>figuring out that this is the path that we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to follow. And then that's why he was taking the

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<v Speaker 2>jury through all the different treatments, because, as we know,

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<v Speaker 2>he was trying to explain that sometimes patients get bad

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<v Speaker 2>from this type of poison, but they start to get

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit better, but then they get worse as

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<v Speaker 2>the body starts to recycle the toxins over and over

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<v Speaker 2>and over through the different organs. And it was at

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<v Speaker 2>this point when they were all arriving at the austume,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, this is the final hospital that they attended,

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<v Speaker 2>that they're all in critical, critical ways really and suffering

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<v Speaker 2>from multi organ failure.

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<v Speaker 1>And some of the other treatments that were mentioned throughout

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<v Speaker 1>multiple bits of evidence about all of the different patients treatments.

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<v Speaker 1>They all had very similar treatments and very similar investigations,

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<v Speaker 1>and some of the others is something called ascilla binon.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we were told in court that this is a

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<v Speaker 1>specific antidote to aminita mushroom poisoning, so there was an

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<v Speaker 1>attempt to use that also nak which we've mentioned in

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<v Speaker 1>previous episodes, which is a drug that's widely used, the

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<v Speaker 1>professor said for mushroom poisoning with liver failure, but it

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<v Speaker 1>is also used in other situations where someone might have

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<v Speaker 1>liver failure.

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<v Speaker 2>It's used to protect the liver. I think that was

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<v Speaker 2>the way that it was explained, Penny. It's really this

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<v Speaker 2>year this big hug around the liver to try and

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<v Speaker 2>protect it and stop any damage that could follow.

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<v Speaker 1>And some of the other treatments that were mentioned as well,

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<v Speaker 1>which you may hear later in the evidence worth things

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<v Speaker 1>like are using vitamin C as well as plasma exchange.

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<v Speaker 1>So lots of different sort of roads that these particular

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<v Speaker 1>doctors took over a number of days.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a lot of fluid intake. Penny was something

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<v Speaker 2>else that was mentioned.

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<v Speaker 1>Heah a lot of intravenous fluids. And as we've sort

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<v Speaker 1>of set the scene before, it's a hard thing to

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<v Speaker 1>think about, but all of these people at this point

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<v Speaker 1>they are being intubated, there is a ventilation to breathing

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<v Speaker 1>for them, and these doctors are making these decisions around

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<v Speaker 1>them over quite a few hours. And going back to

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<v Speaker 1>as the court heard in this sort of way that

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<v Speaker 1>the evidence was presented, it all started with Donald Patterson

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<v Speaker 1>and going through a lot of his medical points that

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<v Speaker 1>then led on to some of the other patients. But

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<v Speaker 1>it was noted in this part of the professor's evidence

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<v Speaker 1>while they were talking about all these treatments that he

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<v Speaker 1>was continuing to deteriorate further sort of by the time

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<v Speaker 1>it got to the second of August, he was unfortunately worsening.

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<v Speaker 1>His circulation was struggling, and it was then that he

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<v Speaker 1>spoke about a surgery that they decided that they would

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<v Speaker 1>try with Donald Patterson. Here is a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>of the professor's evidence as he was speaking with Sarah

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<v Speaker 1>Lenthil from the prosecution. It's not their voices.

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<v Speaker 3>Did Donald Patterson undergo surgery on for August twenty twenty three?

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<v Speaker 4>He did, after extensive consultation with a range of senior specialists.

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<v Speaker 4>It was thought that the only possibility of saving his

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<v Speaker 4>life was through a liver transplant. And did that occur, Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>there was an effort to undertake and complete a liver transplant. Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>After the liver transplant was carried out, did Donald Patterson's

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<v Speaker 3>condition improve.

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<v Speaker 4>No, he got relentlessly worse. Unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 3>Was it recognized through the day that Donald Patterson was

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<v Speaker 3>dying despite maximal therapy.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, all of our treatments had unfortunately failed, and he

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<v Speaker 4>was dying despite all of the measures that we were applying.

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<v Speaker 2>We also heard Penny that the possibility of liver transplants

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<v Speaker 2>for Gail and Heather was something that was also discussed

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<v Speaker 2>in that hospital, But the specialists ultimately decided that the

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<v Speaker 2>sisters were too unwell to undergo surgery, and that was

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<v Speaker 2>the decision that was made for Don but not for

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<v Speaker 2>the others.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was spoken about.

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<v Speaker 1>The judge clarified at one point that had this been

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<v Speaker 1>not so much a successful liver transplant for Don, but

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<v Speaker 1>had it happened? And the professor said, yes, we did

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<v Speaker 1>perform the liver transplant, but unfortunately that Don Patterson had

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<v Speaker 1>passed away at the Austin hospital. Following that that he

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<v Speaker 1>continued to get worse despite the fact that they.

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<v Speaker 3>Were giving him.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe he said every there were no other treatments left.

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<v Speaker 1>They'd given him all the treatments, and that was essentially

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<v Speaker 1>the case for the other two lunch guests as well,

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<v Speaker 1>Gail and Heather. But here is a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>of the professor's evidence as he was speaking with Sarah

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<v Speaker 1>Lenthil from the prosecution. It's not their voices.

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<v Speaker 3>Did she continue to receive maximal treatment and therapy she.

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<v Speaker 4>Was on everything that we had.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, was an emergency liver transplant considered for Gail.

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<v Speaker 4>There was a lot of discussion about whether it was

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<v Speaker 4>possible to undertake in her given the advanced state of

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<v Speaker 4>a multiple organ failure, so it was certainly considered yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Did she ultimately have a liver transplant.

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<v Speaker 4>No, she did not. The view of the consensus opinion

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<v Speaker 4>of all of the contributing senior specialists from intensive care,

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<v Speaker 4>the liver transplant unit, and toxicology was that she was

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<v Speaker 4>too sick to undergo the necessary surgery.

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<v Speaker 3>On three and four August, did Gal's condition continue to decline?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, she progressively became more unwell, and.

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<v Speaker 1>As we spoke about before, the doctors again said they

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<v Speaker 1>discussed whether they could try for surgery with Heather as well,

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<v Speaker 1>but that she was not well enough at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>But will bring you a little bit more of this

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<v Speaker 1>evidence so you can sort of hear what the professor

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<v Speaker 1>was describing when he was talking about the teams that

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<v Speaker 1>were coming together to try and decide what the best

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<v Speaker 1>course of action for these people were. Here's a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more of what the court heard.

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<v Speaker 3>How was Heather Wilkinson's condition by second August twenty twenty three?

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<v Speaker 4>She had a rapidly progressive deterioration of her multiple organ failure.

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<v Speaker 3>Was a decision made to list her for an emergency

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<v Speaker 3>liver transplant?

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<v Speaker 4>There were discussions about whether that would be possible.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, was it possible?

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<v Speaker 4>Ultimately no, she was too unwell to undergo the complex

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<v Speaker 4>and extensive surgery required for a liver transplant, all.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, and after extensive consultation between the medical teams, was

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<v Speaker 3>it acknowledged that Heather was not going to survive.

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<v Speaker 4>It was very apparent that this was not survivable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it was at this point, Penny, that we could

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<v Speaker 2>see in the courtroom seated in the back road, there

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<v Speaker 2>was a number of family members of Heather's visibly upset.

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<v Speaker 2>There was hand holding and hands on knees and you

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<v Speaker 2>could see almost shoulders touching as a sign of support

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<v Speaker 2>while these final hours and days of Heather's life were

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<v Speaker 2>being described.

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<v Speaker 1>And as we've taken you through in this evidence, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the order that everyone heard in the courtroom to

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<v Speaker 1>quite a bit of detail about Don, then Gayle and

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<v Speaker 1>then Heather. So by the time these family members were

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<v Speaker 1>hearing this evidence, they had previously also heard it about

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<v Speaker 1>about the Pattersons as well. And it was after it

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<v Speaker 1>was put through the professor's evidence that all these three people,

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<v Speaker 1>including Gail and Heather, had passed away at the Austin hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>They came to Ian Wilkinson as part of the evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>and as you mentioned, he's sitting in the courtroom watching

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<v Speaker 1>all of this unfold and initially what the professor was

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<v Speaker 1>sort of asked about was again the very similar questions

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<v Speaker 1>that he was for all of the patients. But what

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<v Speaker 1>did all of these staff conclude was the cause of

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<v Speaker 1>his liver and organ failure and what sort of investigations

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<v Speaker 1>they had done.

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<v Speaker 2>The way that it was described to the jury was

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<v Speaker 2>after Ian Wilkinson arrived. His condition also declined in the

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<v Speaker 2>days after he arrived, and he had high levels of

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<v Speaker 2>acid in his blood and an abnormal heart rhythm as well.

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<v Speaker 2>But the way that it was explained to the jury

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<v Speaker 2>was that the passes condition did slowly improve from about

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<v Speaker 2>the fifth of August twenty twenty three, and he was

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<v Speaker 2>eventually taken off breathing tubes about the fourteenth of August

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<v Speaker 2>that same year. But he explained that it was very

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<v Speaker 2>very slow. This process was very very slow coming out

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<v Speaker 2>of an extreme critical illness.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's hear a little bit from the professor's evidence on

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<v Speaker 1>those initial concerns and treatment.

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<v Speaker 3>What do medical staff at the Austin conclude about the

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<v Speaker 3>cause of Ian Wilkinson's acute liver failure?

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<v Speaker 4>That it was due to amanita mushroom poisoning.

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<v Speaker 3>For the same reasons we've discussed in relation to the

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<v Speaker 3>other three.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, that's correct.

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<v Speaker 3>Now we have been discussing one August. How was Ian

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<v Speaker 3>Wilkinson's condition? By two August he.

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<v Speaker 4>Was extremely unwell with advanced multiple organ failure.

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<v Speaker 3>What about three August.

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<v Speaker 4>He became more unwell, deteriorated further, particularly as circulation was

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<v Speaker 4>requiring considerably more support.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you commence a plasma exchange on that date?

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<v Speaker 4>I recall I think it was on the third Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>for August, did he continue to deteriorate. Yes, the acid

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<v Speaker 4>in his blood was higher and he needed more additional

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<v Speaker 4>support for his circulation, and he developed an abnormal art rhythm.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, the professor gave evidence that before there was any

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<v Speaker 1>improvement in the condition of Ian Wilkinson, they did perform

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<v Speaker 1>some surgery on him as well. Yes, it was. It

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a liver transplant like with Don Patterson. It was

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<v Speaker 1>what was described as a laparoscopy, which it was sort

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<v Speaker 1>of explained through the professor's evidence that they were worried

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<v Speaker 1>about issues with the bow and they needed to get

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<v Speaker 1>in and see that through sort of through his abdomen

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<v Speaker 1>and that. But once they had performed this surgery. They

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<v Speaker 1>actually didn't find that there was any significant issues yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>with his bow, So it wasn't a liver transplant or

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<v Speaker 1>anything that Ian underwent. Quite a different surgery to Don.

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<v Speaker 1>And as you mentioned before, there was these As everyone

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<v Speaker 1>knows Ian Wilkinson, he's given evidence in.

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<v Speaker 3>This trial too.

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<v Speaker 1>He he did survive, but it was after quite a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of time in different hospitals. And here's a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of what the professor said when he was being

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<v Speaker 1>asked about Ian's recovery and ultimately how close they thought

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<v Speaker 1>they came to Ian losing his life.

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<v Speaker 3>Life too.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's more of what the court heard. It's voiced by actors.

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<v Speaker 3>Did he continue to improve over the days that followed that, Yes, it.

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<v Speaker 4>Was very slow because he was coming from a situation

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<v Speaker 4>of extreme critical illness, but he did slightly improve over

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<v Speaker 4>that time. Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Was he eventually excubated on fourteen August?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Was he discharged from the ICU to the ward on

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<v Speaker 3>twenty one August?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Was he discharged to a rehabilitation ward at Heidelberg Hospital

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<v Speaker 3>on eleven September? Yes, and he was eventually discharged home.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>How close did Ian Wilkinson come to dying?

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<v Speaker 4>We thought he was going to die. He was very close.

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<v Speaker 2>At this point, Penny, we were able to look over

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<v Speaker 2>and see Ian Wilkinson. As we mentioned earlier, he was

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<v Speaker 2>seated in the court room and he appeared incredibly stoic.

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<v Speaker 2>He was seated there with his arms crossed, sort of

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<v Speaker 2>staring blankly ahead while all of this information about him,

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<v Speaker 2>his health information was being read out to the jury.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he certainly didn't show any visible reactions to when

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<v Speaker 1>particularly as the prosecutor turned through the screen through the

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<v Speaker 1>video link to this professor who was giving evidence from

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<v Speaker 1>the Austin hospital from his office you could see all

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<v Speaker 1>of his many qualifications behind him and said, quite frankly

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<v Speaker 1>to him, how close did this man come to dying?

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<v Speaker 3>And it was quite a.

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<v Speaker 1>Moment in the courtroom where I feel everyone sort of

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<v Speaker 1>stopped not only to look at Ian Wilkinson, but sort

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<v Speaker 1>of to acknowledge what was happening around them. And he

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<v Speaker 1>showed no visible signs and just continued to watch the evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>Says he has on every other day that he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Been there, incredibly composed.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, the court has also begun hearing from a number

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<v Speaker 1>of new witnesses for the fifth week of evidence and

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