Speaker 1: Hello, Louise, I can sing if you want. Good to
Speaker 1: see you see. Yeah, thanks for coming in. We're going
Speaker 1: to get to this. Unfortunately, often when you and I talk,
Speaker 1: the breaking news stories are horrific on animal cruelty to
Speaker 1: get one in gosnels in just a moment, and the
Speaker 1: numbers are staggering. But Kaylie's here as well. Kaylie's been
Speaker 1: a faithful RSPC, a employee, and you've got a couple
Speaker 1: of guests who you've got.
Speaker 2: Here, Luke.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Kaylee's joined me in the studio today to
Speaker 3: help me wrangle these two little qtis. We have eleven
Speaker 3: week old kittens, brothers Bert and Ernie. They are very
Speaker 3: very cute, but you know they're eleven week old kittens,
Speaker 3: so they want to get out and explore and everything.
Speaker 2: Very very active.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're currently available for adoption, but as a bonded pair,
Speaker 3: so you will need to take both because they yeah,
Speaker 3: they're very attached to each other. They've been with us
Speaker 3: since they were two weeks old. Yes, they've found astrays,
Speaker 3: so they were fostered and and now they're ready to
Speaker 3: be adopted. And really we've really pushing our cat adoptions
Speaker 3: at the moment because we've got room for around one
Speaker 3: hundred cats.
Speaker 4: We've got ninety seven.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there are I hear eleven coming in from
Speaker 3: the one property today, so we really need to move
Speaker 3: some of our cats out. We've got them from all ages,
Speaker 3: from this young right up through till twelve year old Tuppants,
Speaker 3: who was a delightful black cat that was a very
Speaker 3: quiet home. So people are in the market, head to
Speaker 3: the RSPCAWA website.
Speaker 1: These two are incredibly active. Kaylee has that one's Ernie,
Speaker 1: isn't it is that? What's that's Ernie? They don't look
Speaker 1: like brothers.
Speaker 3: No, it's not unusual for litters of kittens to look
Speaker 3: vastly different to each other. Yeah, it's just really common.
Speaker 3: So just for people playing along at home. Is black
Speaker 3: and white and Ernie is a tabby.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, beautiful. Yeah, they're both very cute and they
Speaker 1: are full bore. They're like two little hand grenades of
Speaker 1: fur and fluff. Aren't they so cute though? Yeah, they
Speaker 1: are extremely cute, So they are rela'll go to the
Speaker 1: RSPCA website. Katie, nice to meet you and thanks for
Speaker 1: coming in. Kaylee is having to wrangle the right word
Speaker 1: hey and that's what that's saying, comes from hurting kittens,
Speaker 1: hurting cats. These Yeah, these are the poster child for
Speaker 1: that phrase. Exactly one double three eight eighty two. If
Speaker 1: you'd like to have a chat to Lou today, we
Speaker 1: will talk about of the service that the RSPCA provide.
Speaker 1: Lou's given me a sheet of a four paper. It's
Speaker 1: a new media release. I don't think you would have
Speaker 1: heard this information anywhere else. Mother and sons plural Lou
Speaker 1: charged with cruelty against cats and chickens.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: So a fifty three year old woman and her two
Speaker 3: sons aged twenty five and twenty two, have each been
Speaker 3: charged with fifteen counts of animal cruelty. Background story. We
Speaker 3: got a report back in feb were saying that a
Speaker 3: member of the public had seen many cats living in
Speaker 3: appalling living conditions in the backyard of a Gosnell's house.
Speaker 3: So our inspectors went out there actually saw thirty eight
Speaker 3: cats and kittens. They were confined to cages and pens
Speaker 3: of all different sizes, some stacked on top of each other,
Speaker 3: all through the property. I've seen the photos. It's just
Speaker 3: I don't know how people walk past this day after day,
Speaker 3: but so much excrement and you know, yeah, no food
Speaker 3: and wilter diarrhea everywhere, just the most appalling conditions. The
Speaker 3: hens were just so skinny. Their water bowl was filled
Speaker 3: with dried sticks, is what our inspector is reporting. So yes,
Speaker 3: the three of them have been charged and they will
Speaker 3: face the Armadell Magistrates Court next month.
Speaker 1: All right, So this is as lou said, fifty three
Speaker 1: old woman, two sons, twenty five and twenty two, thirty
Speaker 1: eight cats in the one house and four chickens and
Speaker 1: just reading further down your release, and this quite a
Speaker 1: bit of detail about.
Speaker 2: The about the.
Speaker 1: How unkempt the house was, and the mess and the
Speaker 1: feces and the urine and the diarrhea or all that.
Speaker 2: It's not for the faint hearted.
Speaker 1: The animals had gastro intestinal illnesses, infections, dental disease and
Speaker 1: poor body condition.
Speaker 2: Right across.
Speaker 1: The thirty eight cats and the four iler brown hens
Speaker 1: were inside a large coup now fundamental toilist lou Is
Speaker 1: RSPCAU will allege the female. It will be accused of
Speaker 1: operating a profit britten driven commercial business of selling these cats.
Speaker 4: Yep, so to kitten.
Speaker 3: Far she yeah, she was or is sorry, a registered
Speaker 3: cat breeder, and all of the cats were what may
Speaker 3: be termed as desirable breeds, so rag dolls and Russian blues,
Speaker 3: which fetch a pretty penny.
Speaker 1: All right, So the maximum penalty here is for animal
Speaker 1: Cruelly's fifty grand fine and you can cop some prison
Speaker 1: time as well, which is one of your old jobs,
Speaker 1: used to work for a corrective services need. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: they go to Armadale magistrates called on twenty fifth of July.
Speaker 1: What's your job from here? What's RSPCA's job from here?
Speaker 3: So our inspectors who picked up this case and went
Speaker 3: out there, they complete their investigation and then determine whether
Speaker 3: charges are warranted, which obviously in this case they did.
Speaker 3: So then they work with our legal team and it
Speaker 3: gets to this stage and the people are actually charged
Speaker 3: and then from here on in obviously our legal team
Speaker 3: is in court and you know, showing all the evidence
Speaker 3: and talking about the alleged defenses and yeah, then it's
Speaker 3: up to the magistrate whether they're found guilty and what
Speaker 3: the penalty is.
Speaker 4: The magistrate decides that.
Speaker 1: Our commander in chief of Social Media Operations, Tony's in
Speaker 1: this year and the cats are quiet and down. Your
Speaker 1: cat whispered to look at this, Yeah, look at you,
Speaker 1: eleven weeks old kitten stadium. I don't think the dog
Speaker 1: would appreciate it did amazing story. Thirty eight cats in
Speaker 1: one house, the home of registered breeder.
Speaker 2: Why do the boys get charged as well if she's
Speaker 2: the breeder.
Speaker 3: Because they all lived in the house and they were
Speaker 3: all aware of the conditions, This is what will be
Speaker 3: alleging and therefore they are all responsible and they and
Speaker 3: I don't want to say it's still before the courts
Speaker 3: at the moment, but in evidence, in some of the
Speaker 3: things that all three said to our inspector, we will
Speaker 3: allege that or three did take responsibility.
Speaker 4: The culpability allegedly.
Speaker 1: Lou, it didn't escape my attention that you said there's
Speaker 1: an eleven more cats coming into the RSPCA this morning.
Speaker 1: That also from a case week where you'll be having
Speaker 1: a look at that on criminal grounds.
Speaker 3: Too early to say, yeah, I don't know, it will
Speaker 3: be from an inspector, but as I say, from there,
Speaker 3: they're the ones that will carry out the investigation. They're
Speaker 3: the ones that have the power under the Act to
Speaker 3: take things forward or not. So yeah, I'm not aware
Speaker 3: of the circumstances of that one.
Speaker 1: Thank you well answered like a professional, like a politician,
Speaker 1: like a politician, like a pro come back in a
Speaker 1: moment fifteen and a half minutes past eleven.
Speaker 2: Can you believe that?
Speaker 1: As Lu said, how do people walk past this? How
Speaker 1: do people walk past this stuff with gi the illness,
Speaker 1: poor body condition and just filth and squalor how do
Speaker 1: people keep managing to do this? Please ask Lou why
Speaker 1: people found guilty of animal cruelty are banned for owning
Speaker 1: pets for two to five years?
Speaker 2: Why not for life?
Speaker 3: There we go, that's a question for the individual magistrates.
Speaker 3: It's short answer is I don't know. But it's rspca
Speaker 3: WA that has the power to charge and to bring
Speaker 3: these people before the court and we argue the case
Speaker 3: as best we can, but then it's up to the
Speaker 3: individual magistrate to decide on the penalty which is available
Speaker 3: to them under the Act. And Carol's right, we have
Speaker 3: had a few cases where people have been banned from
Speaker 3: owning animals for the rest of their life, but it
Speaker 3: is pretty standard to hear, you know, five year ban,
Speaker 3: ten year ban, that kind of thing. But yeah, unfortunately
Speaker 3: I don't have a straight ad so it's up to
Speaker 3: the individual magistrate in each individual case what they decide
Speaker 3: the penalty is.
Speaker 1: Yep, I've asked you this the last three times you've
Speaker 1: been in. You've been you're going to get some budget
Speaker 1: money for some more inspectors. When do those boots hit
Speaker 1: the road?
Speaker 3: So we already have a lot of new trainee inspectors,
Speaker 3: which is great because for safety reasons, all of our
Speaker 3: inspectors now work in pairs, so we've had to do
Speaker 3: quite hefty recruitment. And yeah, it's going really well. The
Speaker 3: systems working really well, traveling to regional areas on a
Speaker 3: frequent basis. And yeah, the new funding kicks in one July.
Speaker 1: Okay, good luck, Thanks, good luck. Lou Rose was if
Speaker 1: you want to ring in, you can one double three
Speaker 1: eight to eighty two. Just to go back on to
Speaker 1: there have been some changes to the laws around the
Speaker 1: Dog Act and the cad Act, and we know a
Speaker 1: couple of pet shops have closed down.
Speaker 2: You and I've talked about this at length.
Speaker 1: I've talked to Melkriddle, our vet about this as well.
Speaker 1: So the new laws under the new Westralian cad Act
Speaker 1: all cats six months old and must be sterilized, lou
Speaker 1: micro chriulden registered with their local government, not with the RSPCA.
Speaker 1: How's that going.
Speaker 2: What are you hearing?
Speaker 1: Because we did hear there's been some problems with the
Speaker 1: registration system, with the database.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just you know, hear stuff. As you say,
Speaker 3: we don't administer it. I think people do. You get
Speaker 3: a bit frustrated depending on which local government area they
Speaker 3: live in at how strongly those laws are enforced.
Speaker 4: But that is the law though.
Speaker 3: They have to be sterilized, micro chipped and registered. And
Speaker 3: even if you only want to breed one letter from
Speaker 3: your cat, you have to register as a breeder.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, so that's that new information
Speaker 1: recep only one letter, you still need to register as
Speaker 1: a breederround if it's just one Yeah, all right. And
Speaker 1: a lot of this is around shire's and local government
Speaker 1: and you know, rangers and part of the local government
Speaker 1: systems should be looking after all of this. Have you
Speaker 1: heard anything, either anecdotallylo or otherwise about the fact that
Speaker 1: this registration's portal is being delayed.
Speaker 3: I have heard as much as anyone else has. You know.
Speaker 3: Hannah Beasley came out and said that state government had
Speaker 3: parted ways with the company that was contracted to establish
Speaker 3: a centralized registration system rather than each LGA holding their
Speaker 3: own records.
Speaker 4: That's all I know.
Speaker 2: You know, that's fine.
Speaker 1: We are hearing the same and probably reading the same
Speaker 1: media reports that you arelu And again we talked to
Speaker 1: Melkriddle about it as well. You've got a community Action
Speaker 1: Day tomorrow and one in July, in one in August.
Speaker 2: Tell us about those.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So a lot of people know RSPCA WA for
Speaker 3: the kinds of cases that we've been talking about, so
Speaker 3: animal cruelty. They know that we rescue animals. They know
Speaker 3: that we have a shelter in Malagar and they can
Speaker 3: come and adopt pets from us. What a lot of
Speaker 3: people don't know is all of the community outreach stuff
Speaker 3: that we do. We're not a big stick organization except
Speaker 3: when we absolutely have to be. Our inspectors and our
Speaker 3: other staff are all supremely compassionate and work with pet
Speaker 3: owners as much as possible to try and help them
Speaker 3: educate them. And Community Action Days are just one of
Speaker 3: the practical outreach programs that we do. We tend to
Speaker 3: hold them in lower socio economic areas, people who are
Speaker 3: struggling can come along and judgment free.
Speaker 4: Don't have to give us reasons why.
Speaker 3: They can come along and get free dog and cat food,
Speaker 3: free flea and worm treatments. Dogs can be health checked.
Speaker 3: We've got trainers there to give advice, and you can
Speaker 3: get free micro chipping as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah cool.
Speaker 1: Now, just watching the birt Narnie in action here, So
Speaker 1: Tony's coming and as completely plicated. That's bird I think,
Speaker 1: isn't it. That's right, it's birds. And what I'm to you, Tony,
Speaker 1: how you going Katie with yours?
Speaker 2: Are you?
Speaker 1: Are you sure you're working in the right profession?
Speaker 4: What's going on here? He is intrigued.
Speaker 3: He's loving the six PR logo going on and off
Speaker 3: the big TV screen.
Speaker 4: So I think we maybe need to put.
Speaker 3: One of those up in our catgory to keep the
Speaker 3: cats entertained.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, just for people who might be in need of
Speaker 3: any of those free things that I just mentioned, they
Speaker 3: can head along to the Anthony Warren club rooms in
Speaker 3: Clarkson today between one and three. We will be in Calgoley,
Speaker 3: Boulder on the twenty third of July and in Rockingham
Speaker 3: on the eighteenth of August.
Speaker 4: If people want to know.
Speaker 3: Just jump on our website click on the events link,
Speaker 3: or if you follow us on social media, you'll get
Speaker 3: details of when we hold them as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well done, very very good.
Speaker 1: The community action days they call so, as Lou said,
Speaker 1: free food, health checks, micro tripping, flea and worm treatments
Speaker 1: for struggling pet owns. And in particular, it's the expertise
Speaker 1: you can pass on to people, isn't it?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 3: Oh for sure? And sometimes it's just about putting people's
Speaker 3: minds at rest. You know, my dog's doing this or
Speaker 3: my cat's doing that, and you know you talk to
Speaker 3: a professional, they go, oh, yeah, that's completely normal, but no,
Speaker 3: it can be annoying behavior. We suggest you try X
Speaker 3: y Z and yeah it's great.
Speaker 1: Yep one level three A. So if you'd like to
Speaker 1: speak to Luro you can.
Speaker 2: How you going, Lou?
Speaker 1: And all the time I've known you, you've worked here
Speaker 1: on the radio with Howard with late How do you work?
Speaker 2: Correct?
Speaker 1: The services? You worked at truruism Wa Just another day
Speaker 1: in Wa was one on something you and your gang
Speaker 1: came up. How are you going with this? I know
Speaker 1: you love animals, but how you going with all this? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I love it? I feel like I've landed where I
Speaker 4: was meant to be.
Speaker 3: I mean, when you work for the RSPCA but you're
Speaker 3: still known as the crazy dog lady, then I think
Speaker 3: that kind.
Speaker 4: Of shows that that's your calling.
Speaker 3: You may be Yeah, you've maybe found your people, you
Speaker 3: may be found your place.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Look, some of the stuff is heartbreaking, of course
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 3: And ultimately it would be amazing if the RSPCA didn't
Speaker 3: have to exist, because then there would you would mean
Speaker 3: there was no animal cruelty.
Speaker 4: But unfortunately it does.
Speaker 3: And I've got to tell you though, those good stories
Speaker 3: are the ones that, Wow.
Speaker 2: You'd be going, Yeah, he'd be coming back into work.
Speaker 1: Has any of it surprised you? Has any of the
Speaker 1: content any of the things you've seen? Is there anything unexpected,
Speaker 1: either in the role or the politically or you know,
Speaker 1: in the community, anything surprised.
Speaker 4: You, Lou, Yeah, a couple of things.
Speaker 3: So the way that people can treat their animals, even
Speaker 3: after all these years, continues to surprise me.
Speaker 4: I know it shouldn't.
Speaker 3: I don't know if we spoke about this last time
Speaker 3: I was with you, but there've been some charges against
Speaker 3: three blokes working on a mind site in the Gold
Speaker 3: fields who thought it would be really funny to hit
Speaker 3: a pigeon with a golf club and you did tell
Speaker 3: me and film.
Speaker 4: It and put it on Snapchat.
Speaker 3: So you know, you just look at that vision and
Speaker 3: you just go, I don't understand what was going through
Speaker 3: your head.
Speaker 4: So those kinds of things free Bloodstream.
Speaker 3: Yeah, those kinds of things continue to surprise me.
Speaker 4: People's expectations sometimes.
Speaker 3: You know though, and Kaylie has a lot more experience
Speaker 3: with this than I do, but they kind of treat
Speaker 3: us a little bit like a shop. So they'll come
Speaker 3: in and they'll be like, you know, I want a small, white,
Speaker 3: fluffy dog, no older than you know, two years of age.
Speaker 3: And you say, well, we don't have anything that fits
Speaker 3: that description. And it's like you're working at Big w
Speaker 3: and they expect you to go out the back and check.
Speaker 4: The stock for and to see if there's one there's
Speaker 4: supposed to wait to describe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's like you, yeah, not a shop, Like
Speaker 3: that's kind of not the philosophy of animal rescue and rehoming.
Speaker 3: So do what we got out of the back. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's kind of interesting. Yeah, they're probably the two biggest things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, keep up the good work.
Speaker 1: It's a noble line of work and it's very well
Speaker 1: suited to you and your personality and your skill set.
Speaker 2: Thank you for coming in. Thank you for bringing Burton
Speaker 2: Ernie in.
Speaker 1: As Ernie continues to sort of try to escape and
Speaker 1: they climb up the walls. The other ones asleep.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going to sleep, Tony.
Speaker 2: Look at you. Don't try and go and changing jobs.
Speaker 3: I was going to say, I'm going to take Tony
Speaker 3: with me as I walk out the studio and she
Speaker 3: can come and work with us in my life.
Speaker 2: You, Tony, she's good at a day job as.
Speaker 4: Well, so you can't have it.
Speaker 1: All right, Caddie and I to meet you. Keep up
Speaker 1: good work. Yeah, I'll just remind people where the Community
Speaker 1: Action Days are. At one this afternoon in Clarkson. There's
Speaker 1: something wearing center.
Speaker 4: Anthony Anthony wearing clubrooms on Victism Parade, all right.
Speaker 1: And the twenty third of July is people listening in
Speaker 1: Cowgooley Bold and lots of people do listen on the
Speaker 1: app these days, lou and the eighteenth of August down
Speaker 1: in Rockingham. So go to the RSPCA website they call
Speaker 1: the Community Action Days and you can find out a
Speaker 1: little bit more.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Luke, Good.
Speaker 4: To see you, always, good to see you, Bowie.
Speaker 3: And maybe we'll mix things up and in a fortnight
Speaker 3: I'll bring in a big buffed dog.
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, no, all right, thanks Lou, thanks Kaylee,
Speaker 1: and thanks Tony.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look at you go