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S2: And I cannot stress this enough. Fucking go.

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S4: Into your hands. Father of mercies. We commend our brother Logan.

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S3: Welcome to the Drop and our Succession Recap podcast. I'm

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S3: Osman Farooqi. I'm here with Thomas Mitchell and Mel Henry

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S3: to break down Episode nine of Succession Season four. Man,

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S3: we are getting close to the end. I'm getting sad team.

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S3: It's been fun to do this series with you, but

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S8: No, I think you guys have wasabi in your eyes.

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S3: I think that's really insightful. Thomas I feel like Kendall really.

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S2: I was just sad that he didn't lie down in

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S9: He threatened it.

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S5: Sad said he said sad. Look out, she should be cry.

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S5: Can I see Roman the showman light up the sky.

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S3: Last day I thought it was pretty extraordinary that we

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S3: Like the way that the show can have you feel

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S2: Yeah, I mean, I think it was a big episode

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S9: Obviously, you have to.

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S9: Oh, my.

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S8: God. My mother listens to this podcast, and I had

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S9: That's maybe reflects.

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S8: More on you than me. Well, okay, that's incredible.

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S9: Thomas Yeah. I think people have dreams all the time.

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S8: I was just empathetic to Roman's plight.

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S8: No, he was.

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S9: He was grieving anyway, outright. Just.

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S2: All right, I'll go into my I'll go into my

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S2: Roman take. Yeah. I think we've been kind of slowly

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S2: It was, you know, Roman, the showman, blah, blah, blah.

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S2: But it's a bit like, thanks for coming. Like he

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S2: like at the start, when he's like, Don't I remind

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S8: Know, can't you say this is the beginning? Can't we

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S8: stifling game of capitalism and the big mega business. You know,

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S8: can't we see this as Roman's actually a success story here?

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S2: I mean, is he in touch? He ends the episode

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S9: Yeah.

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S3: in reality, he's consistently just been completely overwhelmed by that

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S3: is the opposite of emotional growth. I think he's he's

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S8: I mean, it's a journey. Yours. It doesn't happen overnight.

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S3: I mean, we've talked before on the show about how

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S3: think again. She's probably quite worried about raising a kid

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S3: all that. Like that had been the through line of

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S3: Is it kind of. That's it. We've seen what we're

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S8: Yeah, I think her pregnancy and I remember when she

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S8: I think it's just become a really quick and easy

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S8: and the characters in the world, like how cooked her

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S8: Obviously there are other women in the series, but in

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S8: I get a lot of humor out of seeing how

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S8: Yeah, totally. And I kind of like also the. I

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S8: like the symmetry of Logan dying and a new generation coming. Like,

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S8: I think that's quite neat as well. So I think

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S8: I'm like, I'm actually quite happy with what she's pregnancy

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S8: has done for the series.

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S2: Yeah, I kind of like I'm on the same page

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S2: as you guys. Like I don't really feel like it's

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S2: done a lot. I mean, you're.

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S15: With it.

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S2: Yeah, it's fine. The whole thing. Awkward. No, great.

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S3: To have two guys in this podcast, but like, yeah,

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S3: this woman's pregnant. Like, this is not really important. Mel's like, No,

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S3: this is revealing a lot of important stuff about dynamics

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447
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S8: There was a YouTube commenter on the YouTube videos who

448
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,620
S8: was like, Thanks for having a woman on the podcast.

449
00:21:43,619 --> 00:21:46,140
S8: And so I feel like this is this is for them.

450
00:21:46,140 --> 00:21:46,710
S9: Yeah, I.

451
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:51,240
S2: Reported that comment, but I think that like I think

452
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,879
S2: that it was more the reason I found it interesting

453
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,260
S2: in this episode was like I was waiting for the

454
00:21:55,260 --> 00:21:57,629
S2: reveal to the mom because it's such a strange relationship.

455
00:21:57,900 --> 00:21:59,609
S2: It also gave like a really great lie when she

456
00:21:59,609 --> 00:22:01,510
S2: was like the mother walked in and she was like, Oh,

457
00:22:01,530 --> 00:22:03,900
S2: I thought I could hear the sound of Dalmatians howling.

458
00:22:03,900 --> 00:22:05,280
S9: Which was incredible.

459
00:22:05,910 --> 00:22:08,760
S2: Really good. But yeah, like especially the interplay with Mattson

460
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,129
S2: when he was like, Oh, I heard, you know, maybe

461
00:22:11,130 --> 00:22:13,560
S2: you're like pregnant or whatever. And she's like, really quick

462
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:14,700
S2: to be like, Oh, don't worry, I'm going to be

463
00:22:14,700 --> 00:22:17,310
S2: one of those hard bitches. Like 36 hours in the

464
00:22:17,310 --> 00:22:20,730
S2: maternity ward emailing during labor like she was. You know,

465
00:22:20,730 --> 00:22:23,640
S2: she more than anyone is aware of the optics of

466
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,379
S2: it and what it means and what it means for

467
00:22:25,380 --> 00:22:28,409
S2: her is she's currently trying to position herself as best

468
00:22:28,410 --> 00:22:29,190
S2: possible to kind of.

469
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:31,080
S8: And Madison can't even say the word he does like.

470
00:22:31,260 --> 00:22:31,530
S8: He does.

471
00:22:31,540 --> 00:22:33,210
S9: Like. Yeah, he does. Like an air bump.

472
00:22:33,210 --> 00:22:33,720
S2: Yeah.

473
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,240
S8: Can't even bring himself to address it.

474
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:36,810
S9: Yeah. Because I think in.

475
00:22:36,810 --> 00:22:38,750
S2: Sweden they still like, get delivered by storks and shit.

476
00:22:38,820 --> 00:22:41,250
S2: That's fucking weird over there. But like. Yeah, I thought

477
00:22:41,250 --> 00:22:44,880
S2: it was interesting like that. And I guess like more generally,

478
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,820
S2: you know, Shiv as we'll probably get on to stepped

479
00:22:47,820 --> 00:22:50,010
S2: up to also do a eulogy and she kind of

480
00:22:50,010 --> 00:22:53,100
S2: makes reference to I guess the role of women in

481
00:22:53,100 --> 00:22:56,310
S2: succession or, you know like relating to Logan. She talks

482
00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:58,859
S2: about how he was hard on women. He couldn't fit

483
00:22:58,859 --> 00:23:01,590
S2: a whole woman inside his head. And one of my

484
00:23:01,590 --> 00:23:03,479
S2: favorite moments of the episode and actually one of my

485
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,620
S2: favorite scenes from succession throughout the four series was seeing

486
00:23:07,619 --> 00:23:10,860
S2: Logan's four women sitting on that pew together that was

487
00:23:10,859 --> 00:23:14,640
S2: like this really actually kind of strangely beautiful moment for

488
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,420
S2: a show that doesn't often offer up many beautiful moments.

489
00:23:18,420 --> 00:23:20,520
S2: And I thought all of that was kind of connected.

490
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,340
S2: We got this light shown on what a very strange

491
00:23:23,340 --> 00:23:25,199
S2: and ugly place it can be for a woman in

492
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,030
S2: that world. And and yet they were. There was this

493
00:23:27,030 --> 00:23:28,889
S2: kind of like show of unity, which I thought was

494
00:23:28,890 --> 00:23:29,460
S2: quite nice.

495
00:23:29,580 --> 00:23:33,000
S3: Yeah. A whole bunch of characters who have all been

496
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,830
S3: so stern and kind of cold and calculating, or at

497
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:40,500
S3: least that's how we've been told to think about them

498
00:23:40,500 --> 00:23:44,550
S3: all being quite human and kind of caring for each

499
00:23:44,550 --> 00:23:47,220
S3: other on that, on that pew, it felt like it

500
00:23:47,220 --> 00:23:48,900
S3: came out of left field, but it kind of it

501
00:23:48,900 --> 00:23:52,260
S3: kind of made sense. One thing I was thinking about

502
00:23:52,260 --> 00:23:55,140
S3: in this episode while she was interacting with her mum

503
00:23:55,140 --> 00:23:58,080
S3: was that line from Kendall in the election episode. He says,

504
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,890
S3: you know, does the poison trickle down? And I feel

505
00:24:01,890 --> 00:24:06,120
S3: like in this episode we got a lot of evidence that, yes,

506
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,330
S3: it does. Like the way that Shiv is talking about

507
00:24:09,330 --> 00:24:12,450
S3: how she will raise her kids and basically, you know,

508
00:24:12,450 --> 00:24:14,520
S3: kick them out as soon as they're out of her

509
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,640
S3: womb for someone else to raise something she's directly inherited

510
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,409
S3: from her mom. And even though it's kind of fucked

511
00:24:19,410 --> 00:24:21,570
S3: her up, she's still willing to do it. We also

512
00:24:21,570 --> 00:24:27,090
S3: got this amazing reveal via brother Ewen James Cromwell, who

513
00:24:27,090 --> 00:24:32,100
S3: returns and delivered this incredible eulogy where he revealed details

514
00:24:32,100 --> 00:24:35,640
S3: about the aunt and uncle that raised Logan in him,

515
00:24:35,770 --> 00:24:39,149
S3: never forgave Logan for the death of their sister, and

516
00:24:39,150 --> 00:24:41,820
S3: Logan was wracked with guilt from that because he thought

517
00:24:41,820 --> 00:24:46,320
S3: that maybe he had given her polio and that absence

518
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,709
S3: of a parental figure, that punishment that he thought that

519
00:24:49,710 --> 00:24:52,859
S3: he'd received from the people that did raise him clearly

520
00:24:52,859 --> 00:24:56,669
S3: shaped him into who he is, shaped his kids into

521
00:24:56,670 --> 00:24:59,340
S3: who they are, and is now going to shape his

522
00:24:59,340 --> 00:25:02,920
S3: grandkids as well. To me, it's pretty clear that the

523
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,350
S3: answer to Kendall's question of does the poison trickle down

524
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:08,850
S3: is like an unequivocal yes. But what else did you

525
00:25:08,859 --> 00:25:11,929
S3: did you make of of Ewan's eulogy, guys?

526
00:25:11,950 --> 00:25:15,250
S8: Oh, I thought I loved his whole eulogy. I like

527
00:25:15,250 --> 00:25:19,239
S8: that It started off with kind of this sob story.

528
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,510
S8: And this he kind of conjured the sympathy of look

529
00:25:22,510 --> 00:25:24,520
S8: what this family has been through. And then he came

530
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,220
S8: out with that line that was like a priest delivering

531
00:25:27,220 --> 00:25:30,190
S8: it from the pulpit of like, he has wrought the

532
00:25:30,190 --> 00:25:33,670
S8: most terrible things and he delivered it so well. And

533
00:25:33,670 --> 00:25:36,609
S8: then the flame that keeps their hearts warm while another

534
00:25:36,609 --> 00:25:39,940
S8: grows cold. And they did this brilliant cut to Jerry

535
00:25:39,940 --> 00:25:42,490
S8: in the audience, and she just had her like, hands

536
00:25:42,490 --> 00:25:45,580
S8: over her mouth, just shocked by it. And then Karl

537
00:25:45,580 --> 00:25:49,090
S8: was giving the side eye to it. And also, it's

538
00:25:49,090 --> 00:25:52,450
S8: like this idea of these two brothers have turned out

539
00:25:52,450 --> 00:25:55,870
S8: so differently, even though they've come from the same beginnings.

540
00:25:55,869 --> 00:25:58,960
S8: They have such different worldviews now, but also they're kind

541
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,360
S8: of similar in a way, because you could see Logan

542
00:26:01,450 --> 00:26:05,920
S8: pulling the same theatrical performative move as well and having

543
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,040
S8: the gumption to push past people to get up to

544
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,379
S8: have his say. And then I guess for me, it

545
00:26:11,380 --> 00:26:14,440
S8: kind of made me think like in 40, 50 years,

546
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,730
S8: would this be the situation of Shiv and Kendall and Roman? Like,

547
00:26:18,730 --> 00:26:20,890
S8: is that going to be the state of their relationship?

548
00:26:20,890 --> 00:26:23,910
S8: Will they be delivering similar eulogies for each other?

549
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,050
S2: Yeah, I kind of thought the same thing. But like

550
00:26:26,050 --> 00:26:28,330
S2: it was interesting because, you know, I was so glad

551
00:26:28,330 --> 00:26:30,940
S2: that you and like, stormed the stage and like, grabbed

552
00:26:30,940 --> 00:26:34,150
S2: the mic because to me, it really forced you to

553
00:26:34,150 --> 00:26:37,090
S2: remember that, you know, there are a lot of terrible

554
00:26:37,090 --> 00:26:38,470
S2: things that happen in the world and everyone is a

555
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:41,619
S2: victim of their own circumstances and these terrible things happen

556
00:26:41,619 --> 00:26:44,800
S2: to them. And specifically Logan feeling that guilt and everything.

557
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,350
S2: But I loved how you ended it with like, you know,

558
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:51,040
S2: he fed a certain kind of innocent men eagerness in men.

559
00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:57,209
S11: Perhaps he had to because he had a eagerness about him.

560
00:26:57,900 --> 00:26:59,879
S11: And maybe I do about me, too.

561
00:27:00,330 --> 00:27:03,090
S2: And perhaps I have that too. But like, basically, I

562
00:27:03,090 --> 00:27:06,490
S2: was sad when he stopped deciding to try. Like he

563
00:27:06,540 --> 00:27:08,909
S2: that was the biggest shame when he stopped trying and

564
00:27:08,910 --> 00:27:11,580
S2: he kind of gave in to the bitterness that we

565
00:27:11,580 --> 00:27:12,899
S2: both have inside us.

566
00:27:12,900 --> 00:27:19,530
S11: But sometime he decided not to try anymore. And it

567
00:27:19,530 --> 00:27:20,850
S11: was a terrible shame.

568
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,190
S2: And that kind of is like, you know, that's true

569
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:26,369
S2: of everybody. Like we've all everyone has a situation that

570
00:27:26,369 --> 00:27:29,699
S2: can probably ruin them or whatever, but like, it's the

571
00:27:29,700 --> 00:27:31,949
S2: moment you stop trying to be good or whatever, that

572
00:27:31,950 --> 00:27:33,480
S2: you just give in and you're like, okay, well fuck it.

573
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:34,050
S2: I'll just be.

574
00:27:34,050 --> 00:27:36,180
S9: Brené Brown, welcome to the podcast.

575
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,900
S2: Thanks for having me. It reminds me of Richard the third, actually. No, but,

576
00:27:40,140 --> 00:27:42,060
S2: but yeah, I thought, I thought that was really good.

577
00:27:42,060 --> 00:27:44,040
S2: And two things I want to add to that. I

578
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,200
S2: loved when he sat down and Greg was like.

579
00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:48,720
S16: That's a good hard take that you gave.

580
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,990
S2: That was a good hard take. Like has to give

581
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:56,160
S2: immediate feedback on the eulogy, which was amazing. And also

582
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,280
S2: just like slightly sad that he didn't end his eulogy with.

583
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:06,970
S2: That'll do. That'll do. That'll do, because I think that

584
00:28:06,970 --> 00:28:07,270
S2: would have been.

585
00:28:07,270 --> 00:28:08,140
S17: Like a lovely.

586
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,600
S2: Easter egg for everybody.

587
00:28:11,710 --> 00:28:13,750
S3: I'm glad you brought up Greg. I feel like he

588
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:19,090
S3: had another like, low key starring success in this episode.

589
00:28:19,090 --> 00:28:22,750
S3: He bikes his way to the funeral, which is a

590
00:28:22,750 --> 00:28:25,480
S3: hilarious scene just for a couple of seconds, seeing him

591
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,929
S3: powering his way down. He takes Tom's spot as pallbearer.

592
00:28:28,930 --> 00:28:32,500
S3: He doesn't stop Ewan, but he still manages to introduce

593
00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:35,619
S3: himself to, like, the new president of the United States.

594
00:28:35,619 --> 00:28:39,040
S3: Greg is just killing it. I feel the last few apps.

595
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,200
S2: I was such a fan of the city bikes saying

596
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,780
S2: I was like only Greg in the one episode would

597
00:28:43,780 --> 00:28:46,210
S2: ride a city bike and then also meet the president.

598
00:28:46,270 --> 00:28:47,140
S2: Like amazing.

599
00:28:47,980 --> 00:28:51,220
S3: Um, let's talk about the white Thomas. This is where

600
00:28:51,220 --> 00:28:53,890
S3: I feel like whatever plot there was in this episode

601
00:28:53,890 --> 00:28:56,050
S3: was sort of isolated, right? We sort of had the

602
00:28:56,050 --> 00:28:59,200
S3: funeral and then we had this extra kind of like 13,

603
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,350
S3: 14 minute scene where things were set up for the

604
00:29:02,350 --> 00:29:05,680
S3: finale breakdown, what happened here. And and how it sort

605
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,170
S3: of fits into where the show is going. Yeah.

606
00:29:08,170 --> 00:29:10,870
S2: Well, essentially, I guess we had like everyone gathered back

607
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:12,880
S2: in the one spot again, but then it seemed to

608
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,360
S2: switch to like business mode. And essentially we had Jared

609
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,150
S2: Menken there and Kendall pretty quickly makes a beeline for

610
00:29:19,150 --> 00:29:22,500
S2: him basically to kind of shore up what, you know,

611
00:29:22,510 --> 00:29:26,080
S2: they've agreed to that. They've helped him get elevated to

612
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,810
S2: president elect, and in exchange, he will then help kill

613
00:29:28,810 --> 00:29:31,840
S2: the Madison deal by, you know, regulating it to death, essentially.

614
00:29:32,140 --> 00:29:35,230
S2: At the same time, you've got Shiv, who's still Team Madison,

615
00:29:35,230 --> 00:29:38,890
S2: who basically wants to get him in front of Menken

616
00:29:38,890 --> 00:29:40,900
S2: and say, look, you know, we want this deal to

617
00:29:40,900 --> 00:29:42,940
S2: go through. We're prepared to kind of like bend the

618
00:29:42,940 --> 00:29:44,740
S2: rules a little bit. We'll get an American CEO to

619
00:29:44,740 --> 00:29:47,620
S2: make it more palatable to you. And off we go.

620
00:29:47,620 --> 00:29:49,510
S2: At the same time as Kendall is kind of trying

621
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:51,610
S2: to work mattes. And he's also kind of like starting

622
00:29:51,610 --> 00:29:55,570
S2: to build his team. Essentially. He approaches Hugo, he approaches Frank.

623
00:29:55,570 --> 00:29:59,709
S2: He has some pretty strong words. Yeah, we'll get to

624
00:29:59,710 --> 00:30:01,719
S2: call him. He has some pretty strong words for Roman.

625
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,610
S2: And also we see the return of Colin, who he

626
00:30:03,610 --> 00:30:05,890
S2: also brings on staff. So Kendall is on like a

627
00:30:05,890 --> 00:30:08,650
S2: hiring spree. So there was a lot going on that

628
00:30:08,650 --> 00:30:12,010
S2: was basically like forward gaming, I guess, for the finale.

629
00:30:12,130 --> 00:30:14,200
S2: So yeah, it was a busy week. And as we

630
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,480
S2: all know, wakes are kind of strange. Like it's always

631
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,100
S2: a strange vibe at the way because like, you know,

632
00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:21,220
S2: people are like obviously highly vulnerable and emotional and like

633
00:30:21,220 --> 00:30:23,560
S2: maybe a bit pissed. So it was, it was, you know,

634
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,750
S2: it was probably the time for all these things to

635
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:26,680
S2: be going on. But a lot.

636
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,920
S3: Happened. Kendall Collecting all of those people you mentioned, it

637
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,500
S3: really gave me like Ocean's 11 vibes. Like he's just

638
00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:34,660
S3: one by one being like, All right, you're back in

639
00:30:34,660 --> 00:30:37,750
S3: the team. We're going to pull this one off. Mel.

640
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:40,630
S3: I mean, the show is running out of time, and

641
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:44,740
S3: we needed to get to the climactic episode, which seems

642
00:30:44,740 --> 00:30:48,280
S3: like it'll be just like a boardroom stoush. Did it

643
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,630
S3: feel like that naturally felt like where this episode was going?

644
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:54,310
S3: I kind of felt like it was a little bit

645
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:56,469
S3: tacked on for me. But is that just inevitable? When

646
00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:58,090
S3: you get to the end of a show, you've got

647
00:30:58,090 --> 00:31:00,430
S3: to take some shortcuts and just, you know, put the

648
00:31:00,430 --> 00:31:03,730
S3: chess pieces on the board and like, watch hell be unleashed.

649
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:04,300
S9: Yeah.

650
00:31:04,300 --> 00:31:07,239
S8: To me, it felt quite natural and I think it

651
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,900
S8: didn't overplay or overwork that kind of need in the

652
00:31:10,900 --> 00:31:13,870
S8: penultimate episode to get to a situation where you could

653
00:31:13,870 --> 00:31:16,240
S8: set up for a grand finale. Like I think they

654
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,770
S8: blended it in really seamlessly with the funeral and the

655
00:31:20,770 --> 00:31:25,120
S8: wake plot, and it wasn't overworked and it didn't feel

656
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,100
S8: heavy handed. So I think they did a really good

657
00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:28,960
S8: job at that. And I think they set it up

658
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:33,070
S8: extremely well for, you know, bringing it back into in-house,

659
00:31:33,070 --> 00:31:37,480
S8: the bold, the familiar faces and the final showdown.

660
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,360
S2: One thing I was curious about was like and this

661
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,520
S2: felt like a bit of TV magic, which doesn't happen

662
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:47,560
S2: often in succession, but like the conversation between Kendall and Menken,

663
00:31:48,430 --> 00:31:51,670
S2: Menken flipped so quickly, like, you know, they've essentially just

664
00:31:51,670 --> 00:31:56,260
S2: elevated him to president elect. It was such a big deal.

665
00:31:56,260 --> 00:31:58,780
S2: It was so much like kind of comms between him

666
00:31:58,780 --> 00:32:04,270
S2: and Roman. And and Kendall approaches him basically to say like, hey, man, like,

667
00:32:04,270 --> 00:32:06,250
S2: you know, just checking we're all good that, you know,

668
00:32:06,250 --> 00:32:09,190
S2: you'll kill this mess and deal by blah, blah, blah

669
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,560
S2: and really quickly. He doesn't even like he doesn't even

670
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,900
S2: pretend to give them any assurances like I think so

671
00:32:13,900 --> 00:32:16,090
S2: Kendall says to him, like, you know, given how we've pleased,

672
00:32:16,090 --> 00:32:19,390
S2: we've been pleased to cooperate on shared vision. And Menken replies,

673
00:32:19,390 --> 00:32:21,280
S2: I thought you were the sound system. Now you want

674
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,110
S2: to choose the track. And I just thought, was that

675
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:25,990
S2: like a bit weird that, you know, they've essentially nailed

676
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:28,840
S2: themselves to this Menken train on the proviso that he

677
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,390
S2: will kill the Mattson deal. And then like the next

678
00:32:31,390 --> 00:32:34,420
S2: day he's just flipped on that and he's giving them nothing.

679
00:32:34,420 --> 00:32:36,400
S2: Like he's he's like, oh, I don't you know, I'm

680
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:37,810
S2: not wedded to that idea, mate.

681
00:32:37,810 --> 00:32:40,300
S8: The people who say they love you will also fuck you.

682
00:32:41,260 --> 00:32:44,380
S3: To me, that was another indication of just how bad

683
00:32:44,380 --> 00:32:47,530
S3: these brothers are at running the show. Like Kendall, I

684
00:32:47,530 --> 00:32:50,320
S3: think realize that and was aware of what had happened

685
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,510
S3: at that point where he says we have no leverage

686
00:32:52,510 --> 00:32:55,480
S3: like I leverage was the election and what we chose

687
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,640
S3: to do on election night. We did that with him.

688
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,710
S3: But like he could fuck us and he did basically.

689
00:32:59,710 --> 00:33:02,080
S3: And now we've got, you know, he's got our dick

690
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,570
S3: in his hands. What we need his dick in our hands.

691
00:33:04,700 --> 00:33:07,190
S3: So I think it was an acknowledgement that they didn't

692
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:08,990
S3: really think this stuff through. And you would have thought

693
00:33:08,990 --> 00:33:11,570
S3: that Logan would have had a contingency would have had

694
00:33:11,570 --> 00:33:13,370
S3: dirt on him. He would have had a plan to

695
00:33:13,370 --> 00:33:15,890
S3: to hold him in line. But I think Roman didn't

696
00:33:15,890 --> 00:33:18,560
S3: realize that Kendall did realize that that they'd screwed themselves.

697
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,570
S3: And I thought that was like the meme where he

698
00:33:20,570 --> 00:33:22,880
S3: realized you had to push him out, basically, and and

699
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,010
S3: take control of the strategy.

700
00:33:25,100 --> 00:33:26,240
S8: Similar to that.

701
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:26,870
S9: I was.

702
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:31,640
S8: Wondering, do we believe in Madison's faith in Shiv? Because

703
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:32,270
S8: to me, it felt.

704
00:33:32,270 --> 00:33:33,200
S9: Like when she.

705
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,130
S8: Approached him at the funeral, he had this dismissive, oh, hey.

706
00:33:37,130 --> 00:33:40,700
S8: And then he, like, awarded her this condescending gold star.

707
00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:43,610
S8: And then when they were at the wake, it was

708
00:33:43,610 --> 00:33:45,680
S8: kind of like his last ploy to be like, how

709
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,970
S8: about an American CEO? Do we believe that Madison actually

710
00:33:49,970 --> 00:33:52,910
S8: has faith in Shiv? Because my feeling is maybe he's

711
00:33:52,910 --> 00:33:54,380
S8: not all in on Shiv.

712
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:55,910
S3: No, I mean, I don't want to step on my

713
00:33:55,910 --> 00:33:58,580
S3: predictions too much, but I do think that the kids

714
00:33:58,580 --> 00:34:02,390
S3: are easily the dumbest decision makers in this show, particularly

715
00:34:02,390 --> 00:34:05,479
S3: compared to Jared Menken and Lucas Mattson. I think those

716
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,430
S3: guys are using the kids for what they need. Basically,

717
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:10,640
S3: they're extracting what they need. I have no doubt in

718
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,040
S3: my mind that if Madison needs to cut Shiv loose

719
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,839
S3: to get the result he wants, he'll do it in

720
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,660
S3: a heartbeat. The way that Mencken did with with Roman

721
00:34:17,660 --> 00:34:25,110
S3: and Kendall agreed. Let's move to our best lines of

722
00:34:25,110 --> 00:34:28,410
S3: this episode. Mel. What have you got?

723
00:34:28,620 --> 00:34:32,219
S8: So this is early in the episode. Connor comes out

724
00:34:32,219 --> 00:34:35,730
S8: of the woodwork at the funeral, and he's decided that

725
00:34:35,730 --> 00:34:37,740
S8: he too, would like to give a speech, even though

726
00:34:37,739 --> 00:34:41,069
S8: it's been decided that he won't. And I like that.

727
00:34:41,070 --> 00:34:42,900
S9: Wheeler is like, it's formally inventive.

728
00:34:42,900 --> 00:34:45,569
S8: That's what we like about it. Which suggests something like

729
00:34:45,570 --> 00:34:48,719
S8: it's a wild eulogy and he hands it over to Shiv,

730
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:49,469
S8: and Shiv says.

731
00:34:49,980 --> 00:34:52,110
S18: Okay, well, I think this eulogy is going to leave

732
00:34:52,110 --> 00:34:53,400
S18: us open to legal action.

733
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,170
S8: But I think this eulogy is going to leave us

734
00:34:55,170 --> 00:34:56,580
S8: open to legal action.

735
00:34:56,969 --> 00:34:58,200
S9: And I just.

736
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,500
S8: I really enjoyed that, like a eulogy, which is usually

737
00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:04,530
S8: such a soft touch, like in this case has to

738
00:35:04,530 --> 00:35:06,989
S8: be it has to be sent to like legals and

739
00:35:06,989 --> 00:35:10,800
S8: it could be defamatory. And it's kind of the absurdity

740
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,279
S8: of the grandstanding going on that everyone wants to give

741
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,800
S8: a speech and they are all so contentious. And I

742
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,830
S8: actually wanted to ask you guys who you would have

743
00:35:20,010 --> 00:35:22,650
S8: most like to give a speech that didn't give a

744
00:35:22,650 --> 00:35:24,690
S8: speech because it made me start thinking I was like,

745
00:35:24,690 --> 00:35:26,969
S8: What would Connor have actually said? Like, how wild would

746
00:35:26,969 --> 00:35:29,190
S8: have that speech been? And then I was thinking, who

747
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:31,260
S8: else could have given a pretty awesome speech?

748
00:35:31,260 --> 00:35:32,880
S2: I think I'd love to hear from Greg.

749
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,219
S3: I was going to say Greg as well, last time

750
00:35:35,219 --> 00:35:37,350
S3: we saw Greg kind of give a speech was at

751
00:35:37,350 --> 00:35:39,060
S3: Congress and it was so good. I would have loved

752
00:35:39,060 --> 00:35:40,919
S3: to see that at the funeral. Yeah, that's.

753
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,700
S2: Good because I feel like he would be the type to, like,

754
00:35:43,710 --> 00:35:46,140
S2: relish the opportunity despite the fact he's so ill equipped

755
00:35:46,140 --> 00:35:49,770
S2: for it. So I think, yeah, a Greg eulogy would

756
00:35:49,770 --> 00:35:51,870
S2: be an absolute shit show that I would tune in for.

757
00:35:51,870 --> 00:35:52,200
S15: And I like.

758
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,640
S8: The idea that he would have used like he would

759
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,279
S8: have tried to parrot this high fluting language that they

760
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,879
S8: will using, but it would have sounded so awkward coming

761
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:00,780
S8: out of his mouth.

762
00:36:00,870 --> 00:36:04,109
S3: Greg's attempt to do Richard the third would have been very, very,

763
00:36:04,110 --> 00:36:06,960
S3: very fun. The abridged, the abridged version, the one that

764
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:07,740
S3: Thomas reads.

765
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:11,700
S8: Okay, Wikipedia.

766
00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:14,370
S2: I haven't really the last three episodes I've really been

767
00:36:14,370 --> 00:36:18,319
S2: character assassinated on this part is like some kind of, well,

768
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:19,109
S2: we'll come back to it.

769
00:36:19,140 --> 00:36:20,100
S9: Get your lawyers on to it.

770
00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:20,820
S2: Yeah. Seriously.

771
00:36:21,390 --> 00:36:22,920
S3: Thomas, what was your favorite line?

772
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,610
S2: Yes. So mine was I've actually gone for not a

773
00:36:26,610 --> 00:36:28,589
S2: funny one this week. I've gone for like one that

774
00:36:28,590 --> 00:36:31,560
S2: was more sweet. And like I said earlier, I really

775
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,219
S2: liked that scene with the, you know, Logans for exes.

776
00:36:35,219 --> 00:36:37,169
S2: And when they're kind of sitting in the pew and

777
00:36:37,170 --> 00:36:40,260
S2: Marcia grabs Carrie's hand and it's all a bit strange

778
00:36:40,260 --> 00:36:42,960
S2: and they all feel a bit weird. And she says.

779
00:36:43,469 --> 00:36:44,640
S19: At least he won't.

780
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,170
S20: Grind his teeth tonight.

781
00:36:48,460 --> 00:36:50,319
S2: At least he won't grind his teeth tonight. And they

782
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,719
S2: all kind of like share a laugh about this weird

783
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,030
S2: shared trade with this old man. They're all fucking. Um.

784
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:57,910
S2: But I thought that was really sweet and it made

785
00:36:57,910 --> 00:37:01,120
S2: me laugh. And I've always been like, kind of martial curious.

786
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,420
S2: Not like how your roaming curious, but I've always found

787
00:37:04,420 --> 00:37:06,339
S2: her quite watchable. And I thought she, she did very

788
00:37:06,340 --> 00:37:08,200
S2: well with the little she had in this episode.

789
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,650
S3: The idea of all your exes being at your funeral

790
00:37:11,650 --> 00:37:14,860
S3: and talking about you, how you sleep and stuff like that.

791
00:37:14,860 --> 00:37:17,770
S3: It's pretty terrifying thought, but I guess, you know, you're dead,

792
00:37:17,770 --> 00:37:19,180
S3: so you're not really going to care.

793
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:20,920
S15: Um, but also I like.

794
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,980
S8: That their trauma from him is so great that it

795
00:37:23,980 --> 00:37:28,899
S8: can overcome any kind of jealousy or or protectiveness. It's

796
00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:31,270
S8: like they are like we've been through the we've been

797
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:33,370
S8: through something that it's like going to war or something

798
00:37:33,370 --> 00:37:35,800
S8: like we'll always be joined by this.

799
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:37,779
S2: That's kind of the spin off we need. There's been

800
00:37:37,780 --> 00:37:39,609
S2: a lot of chat about spin off shows, but that's

801
00:37:39,610 --> 00:37:40,960
S2: the one I'd probably be most keen on.

802
00:37:41,170 --> 00:37:43,120
S3: The full brides of Logan. Roy Yeah.

803
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:43,840
S1: Yeah.

804
00:37:44,620 --> 00:37:48,759
S3: I'm cheating this week because there's only two episodes to go,

805
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,750
S3: and there was three bits of dialogue from this episode

806
00:37:52,750 --> 00:37:55,930
S3: that I thought was so funny for different reasons. The

807
00:37:55,930 --> 00:37:59,680
S3: first one is toward the start, when Shiv and Lucas

808
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,160
S3: Martin are talking about, you know, leaking the Indian numbers

809
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,009
S3: to to sort of bury them. While everyone's distracted by

810
00:38:06,010 --> 00:38:09,190
S3: the election aftermath, Lucas is getting cold feet and he.

811
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:12,520
S1: Says, if you have a little Dickie, maybe you don't

812
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:13,930
S1: go to the nudist beach.

813
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,750
S3: And Shiv is so quick to say.

814
00:38:16,750 --> 00:38:20,440
S18: LUCAS Yeah, a tsunami just came and washed everything away.

815
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,060
S18: No one is checking the dicks.

816
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,270
S21: This show is crazy. That's such a funny bit of dialogue.

817
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:28,210
S3: And then the other two very quick ones, this interaction,

818
00:38:28,210 --> 00:38:31,000
S3: when Greg walks up to the funeral and says hello

819
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,089
S3: to Madison and Shiv and Madison just responds, Hey, sexy.

820
00:38:34,420 --> 00:38:35,950
S22: Hey, sexy, nice to see you.

821
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:37,390
S21: Which is great.

822
00:38:37,930 --> 00:38:41,740
S3: And then the final one is Kendall getting Hugo on

823
00:38:41,739 --> 00:38:43,600
S3: board by saying, you know, you're going to be my

824
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,460
S3: dog and I'm going to feed you scraps, but the

825
00:38:45,460 --> 00:38:48,160
S3: scraps will be millions. And he just says.

826
00:38:48,430 --> 00:38:49,600
S23: Woof, woof.

827
00:38:51,010 --> 00:38:52,150
S9: That's so good.

828
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:54,610
S2: Here you go. Such a strange cat, man. He's been

829
00:38:54,610 --> 00:38:56,110
S2: so weird. This say, I love it.

830
00:39:00,469 --> 00:39:03,890
S3: Okay, onto Jerry. Watch. She was back after an absence

831
00:39:03,890 --> 00:39:06,680
S3: last week. A pretty, pretty minor role. But a pretty

832
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,050
S3: interesting one. The only kind of rule dialogue from her

833
00:39:09,050 --> 00:39:12,080
S3: is at the wake. I think when all the greybeards

834
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,799
S3: are passing around this video of like Roman sobbing. Listen to.

835
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,200
S24: This. He sounds like a Sal that's about to get

836
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,319
S24: the stun gun and knows it. Don't listen. No, this

837
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,530
S24: circulating don't play. Come on. Oh, a show of strength.

838
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,580
S3: And they're making fun of him and she kind of

839
00:39:28,580 --> 00:39:31,280
S3: sticks up for him, right? She says, Oh, come on, guys. Like,

840
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,230
S3: don't show it around. We don't need to do that.

841
00:39:33,230 --> 00:39:36,410
S3: I thought it was, like, smart and interesting to because

842
00:39:36,410 --> 00:39:39,920
S3: even when Jerry and Roman had their bust up, she

843
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,590
S3: felt mixed about her, right? She's like, I could have

844
00:39:42,590 --> 00:39:44,810
S3: taken you to the top like you screwed me, but

845
00:39:44,810 --> 00:39:46,280
S3: I could have taken it to the top. There is

846
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,009
S3: still a connection there, and I don't know if we'll

847
00:39:49,010 --> 00:39:51,500
S3: see it play out in the final episode, but it

848
00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:55,549
S3: might be that Roman's only path to like, emotional salvation. Mel,

849
00:39:55,550 --> 00:39:57,140
S3: that you want him so desperately to have is to

850
00:39:57,140 --> 00:40:00,830
S3: have some kind of relationship with that mother figure in

851
00:40:00,830 --> 00:40:02,180
S3: his life in in Jerry.

852
00:40:03,380 --> 00:40:03,980
S15: Also, I like.

853
00:40:03,980 --> 00:40:06,650
S8: The Jerry was sitting directly behind him in the funeral, too.

854
00:40:06,650 --> 00:40:08,960
S8: So often you could see he's like weeping face. And

855
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,590
S8: then Jerry was just behind. She did have another line,

856
00:40:12,590 --> 00:40:14,990
S8: like early in the funeral. She was like, How much

857
00:40:14,989 --> 00:40:17,660
S8: of you is glad? So I think Jerry's going through

858
00:40:17,660 --> 00:40:20,450
S8: a bit of a soul searching moment. Maybe getting a

859
00:40:20,450 --> 00:40:22,880
S8: bit of distance from the company has made her kind

860
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,360
S8: of reevaluate it and what the company and the business

861
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,569
S8: has done to her. But I actually thought those cutaways

862
00:40:29,570 --> 00:40:32,509
S8: to the boiled eggs during the funeral, they were like

863
00:40:32,510 --> 00:40:35,960
S8: my highlight of the funeral. Like just kind of relate

864
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:40,370
S8: to Carl and Frank and Karolina and Jerry, and they

865
00:40:40,370 --> 00:40:42,440
S8: didn't say anything. It was just like their looks on

866
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,870
S8: their face as these eulogies were being read. That was

867
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:47,120
S8: a real highlight of the series of the show for me.

868
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,130
S2: Yeah, they've done a lot of good background work the

869
00:40:49,130 --> 00:40:53,150
S2: last few episodes. I thought it was particularly crushing that.

870
00:40:53,150 --> 00:40:55,370
S2: I'm pretty sure it was. Karl At the end of

871
00:40:55,370 --> 00:40:58,219
S2: the episode, he's like watching the clip of Roman, which

872
00:40:58,219 --> 00:41:00,890
S2: is like going viral, like sobbing like a Sal at

873
00:41:00,890 --> 00:41:03,620
S2: the funeral or something. And that is exactly something Roman

874
00:41:03,620 --> 00:41:06,200
S2: would do as well. He's he is that cruel. But

875
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,180
S2: I was like again, I was like, oh, he's like.

876
00:41:08,180 --> 00:41:10,670
S2: And he keeps like, he's like, rewinding it with his finger.

877
00:41:10,670 --> 00:41:13,070
S2: I'm like, Oh, man, don't keep watching it. But yeah,

878
00:41:13,070 --> 00:41:16,580
S2: I guess like for Jerry, I suspect maybe similar to Roman,

879
00:41:16,580 --> 00:41:20,330
S2: like her arc is possibly finished. I don't know if

880
00:41:20,330 --> 00:41:22,310
S2: they're going to play a big role in the finale,

881
00:41:22,310 --> 00:41:25,190
S2: so yeah. Again, thanks for coming, Jerry. It's been a pleasure.

882
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:27,860
S2: And I'll always be your slime puppy.

883
00:41:30,730 --> 00:41:34,810
S3: Okay let's move on to Fun Fact Corner. We're back

884
00:41:34,810 --> 00:41:37,180
S3: with you this week. Thomas, what have you got? Yes.

885
00:41:37,180 --> 00:41:39,460
S2: Well, I think that arguably the greatest tragedy of succession

886
00:41:39,460 --> 00:41:42,100
S2: ending is that people won't get any more fun facts

887
00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:43,960
S2: from me about where it's shot that.

888
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:44,799
S9: We could also find.

889
00:41:44,830 --> 00:41:45,550
S8: On Reddit.

890
00:41:45,969 --> 00:41:47,830
S2: Yeah, but I mean, who wants to open up Wikipedia

891
00:41:47,830 --> 00:41:50,230
S2: when I can just read it out to you? So

892
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:52,690
S2: this is another location based fun fact.

893
00:41:52,690 --> 00:41:54,370
S3: Back Back with the locations.

894
00:41:54,370 --> 00:41:56,710
S2: That's what's up. Everyone open up their maps. No, because

895
00:41:56,710 --> 00:42:00,370
S2: they think that there was an important, like location based episode. Obviously,

896
00:42:00,370 --> 00:42:02,620
S2: they had a very beautiful church. And as you were.

897
00:42:02,620 --> 00:42:04,630
S8: Watching every episode, location based.

898
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:06,010
S2: Yeah, but like, you know, the church was such a

899
00:42:06,010 --> 00:42:07,750
S2: feature of the episode. And as I was watching, I

900
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:09,490
S2: was like, I wonder where that is? And now you're

901
00:42:09,489 --> 00:42:11,560
S2: about to find out and it's about to be fun.

902
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,799
S2: So actually, as it turns out, that was the Church

903
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,920
S2: of Saint Ignatius Loyola, which is a Catholic parish church

904
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,649
S2: on the Upper East Side in Manhattan. Obviously a very

905
00:42:22,650 --> 00:42:27,300
S2: beautiful church. It was established in 1851. Now, the interesting

906
00:42:27,300 --> 00:42:30,120
S2: thing about that is that it actually, you know, obviously

907
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,390
S2: it played home to a very famous fictional funeral in

908
00:42:33,390 --> 00:42:36,180
S2: succession for the great Logan Roy, but it has actually

909
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,200
S2: hosted some very notable funerals in its time. So I

910
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,800
S2: want to take you through some of these. Jackie Onassis. Wow. Okay.

911
00:42:44,820 --> 00:42:45,819
S2: In the church? Yeah.

912
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,879
S3: Ever heard of her? Jackie? Oh, rock and roll.

913
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,970
S2: Oh, say, look at you both. Having fun with that fact.

914
00:42:51,390 --> 00:42:54,239
S2: This one husband you'll love, you probably won't get because

915
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,600
S2: you don't listen to hip hop. Okay. Who who is

916
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,540
S2: the most talented R&B artist to have ever died in

917
00:43:00,540 --> 00:43:04,870
S2: a plane crash? Aaliyah? Yes. Her funeral was there as well.

918
00:43:04,890 --> 00:43:09,629
S3: No, you're joking. Jackie Onassis, Aaliyah and Logan Roy were

919
00:43:09,630 --> 00:43:13,170
S3: all farewell to the same Catholic church in the Upper

920
00:43:13,170 --> 00:43:14,250
S3: East Side. That's amazing.

921
00:43:17,770 --> 00:43:20,379
S2: I'll just give you a couple more to run round

922
00:43:20,380 --> 00:43:24,279
S2: out this kind of semi sad, fun fact corner. Philip

923
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,850
S2: Seymour Hoffman also buried there. Yeah. Oscar de la Renta,

924
00:43:27,850 --> 00:43:30,730
S2: the fashion designer, and Mario Cuomo, the governor of New

925
00:43:30,730 --> 00:43:35,350
S2: York in 2015. So, yeah, weirdly, it's a busy church

926
00:43:35,350 --> 00:43:37,720
S2: and I'm glad that Logan managed to get in there.

927
00:43:37,930 --> 00:43:41,410
S8: Your son is getting christened this weekend. Is there anything

928
00:43:41,410 --> 00:43:44,350
S8: you've learned from this church operation that you might like

929
00:43:44,350 --> 00:43:46,240
S8: to employ in your son's christening?

930
00:43:46,780 --> 00:43:48,940
S2: Just keep like a pretty strict security on who gets

931
00:43:48,940 --> 00:43:52,000
S2: up on stage because my old man fancies himself as

932
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,280
S2: a good public speaker. But mostly he sounds like he's

933
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,469
S2: like lost in a grocery store. So I'm going to

934
00:43:56,469 --> 00:43:57,730
S2: keep him away from the stage.

935
00:43:57,730 --> 00:43:59,770
S8: You have terrible things.

936
00:44:00,100 --> 00:44:03,580
S2: Screaming at the baby. That's actually lucky because, like, I'm

937
00:44:03,580 --> 00:44:06,340
S2: half Greek and like ethnic christenings are incredibly traumatic. Like

938
00:44:06,340 --> 00:44:09,220
S2: everyone is hairy and sweating and the babies nude, they

939
00:44:09,219 --> 00:44:11,560
S2: go for like seven hours. Whereas this is just like

940
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,690
S2: this is like more of a white christening. So it'll

941
00:44:13,690 --> 00:44:15,310
S2: just be like they don't have to get nude or anything.

942
00:44:15,310 --> 00:44:16,060
S2: So it should be fun.

943
00:44:16,450 --> 00:44:19,270
S3: My only reference to christenings really is like the scene

944
00:44:19,270 --> 00:44:22,120
S3: in the end of The Godfather, where as Michael is

945
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,170
S3: becoming godfather to his to his nephew, there's a montage

946
00:44:26,170 --> 00:44:29,710
S3: of him assassinating all of his underworld opponents. I'm just

947
00:44:29,710 --> 00:44:33,010
S3: thinking about you, Thomas, as you're there standing over your child,

948
00:44:33,010 --> 00:44:35,080
S3: thinking about all the people you've taken hits out on

949
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:35,860
S3: this week.

950
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:38,470
S2: But it's just a supercut of me introducing myself to

951
00:44:38,469 --> 00:44:39,370
S2: everyone in the office.

952
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:41,740
S8: I'm Thomas from.

953
00:44:41,739 --> 00:44:42,790
S9: Succession.

954
00:44:43,420 --> 00:44:46,450
S3: A genuinely great, fun fact. And of course there is

955
00:44:46,450 --> 00:44:49,600
S3: a Shakespeare connection to Aaliyah. I think Kanye has a

956
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,500
S3: song where he raps first Aaliyah, now Romeo must die.

957
00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:55,510
S3: So there you go. We've got all.

958
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:58,000
S9: Right also, you win, you win.

959
00:44:58,270 --> 00:45:00,250
S2: And just as I get a step further, Romeo Must

960
00:45:00,250 --> 00:45:02,290
S2: Die Sick movie starring Jet Li.

961
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,919
S3: Great film. Great. So many layers to that one line

962
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,040
S3: from Kanye West back when he wasn't crazy and we

963
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:16,360
S3: could talk about him without feeling weird. Anyway, let's get

964
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,950
S3: on to our winners and losers getting close to the end.

965
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:27,069
S3: The tally is getting tight. There are some clear leaders emerging. Thomas,

966
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:28,060
S3: go for.

967
00:45:28,060 --> 00:45:33,370
S2: It. Yes, I gave Kendall three points. I mean, look,

968
00:45:33,370 --> 00:45:36,190
S2: the reality is when the going got tough at the wake,

969
00:45:36,190 --> 00:45:39,190
S2: Kendall basically went on a hiring spree. He set himself

970
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:41,620
S2: up for next episode. And I feel like he's in

971
00:45:41,620 --> 00:45:44,140
S2: pole position for whatever's going to happen in the final episode.

972
00:45:44,140 --> 00:45:46,390
S2: I also have started giving him my points just to

973
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:48,730
S2: safeguard against the fact that Mel refuses to give him

974
00:45:48,730 --> 00:45:51,520
S2: points and basically to kind of even out even out

975
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,330
S2: the playing field. And I gave Greg two points because,

976
00:45:55,330 --> 00:45:57,460
S2: I mean, we said it before, this guy wrote a

977
00:45:57,460 --> 00:45:59,590
S2: city back to the funeral and then he met the president. Like,

978
00:45:59,590 --> 00:46:01,690
S2: if anyone can fail up, it's Greg. And then I

979
00:46:01,690 --> 00:46:04,719
S2: gave Madison one because I think the fact that he

980
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,669
S2: managed to kind of stay in the game and meet

981
00:46:06,670 --> 00:46:09,310
S2: the president elect, I do think he's probably lying to Shiv,

982
00:46:09,310 --> 00:46:11,529
S2: but he's now, you know, possibly going to be able

983
00:46:11,530 --> 00:46:13,840
S2: to get this deal across the line despite the fact

984
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,670
S2: that it could easily have gone wrong for him. And

985
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:20,049
S2: my loser was obviously Roman as Kendall said, he completely

986
00:46:20,050 --> 00:46:22,630
S2: fucked it. He did what his dad never wanted him

987
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:25,000
S2: to do, which was fail in front of everybody. He

988
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,700
S2: couldn't deliver on his big moment. And then he ended

989
00:46:27,700 --> 00:46:31,299
S2: the episode basically like punishing himself by getting run over

990
00:46:31,300 --> 00:46:33,430
S2: by a crowd of Angry Mob that he helped create.

991
00:46:33,610 --> 00:46:35,650
S2: It was an absolute l from Roman.

992
00:46:35,650 --> 00:46:35,980
S9: You don't.

993
00:46:35,980 --> 00:46:36,940
S8: Understand him.

994
00:46:37,270 --> 00:46:39,370
S2: Not. Not. Not in the same intimate way you do. Yeah.

995
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,469
S3: Mel, give us your point.

996
00:46:41,469 --> 00:46:42,250
S15: So I went.

997
00:46:42,250 --> 00:46:46,930
S8: Three points for Hugo. He was so busy this episode.

998
00:46:46,930 --> 00:46:51,520
S8: He was doing briefings. He was backgrounding. He was setting

999
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,610
S8: himself up for the future. He was, Wolf, wolfing everywhere.

1000
00:46:54,610 --> 00:46:57,070
S8: Three points for Hugo. I think he's got a bright

1001
00:46:57,070 --> 00:46:58,900
S8: future ahead of him. I gave.

1002
00:46:58,900 --> 00:46:59,590
S15: A super mum.

1003
00:46:59,590 --> 00:47:05,080
S8: Shiv two points. She bonded with Mencken. She's got Mattson

1004
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,650
S8: and Mencken in conversation. She's got Madison's numbers out of

1005
00:47:08,650 --> 00:47:10,210
S8: the way. She set herself.

1006
00:47:10,210 --> 00:47:10,930
S15: Up for SEO.

1007
00:47:10,930 --> 00:47:12,549
S8: And she's actually gone a bit of a way.

1008
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:14,140
S15: Towards healing with Tom.

1009
00:47:14,140 --> 00:47:14,860
S8: I thought.

1010
00:47:14,860 --> 00:47:17,589
S15: So. Well done, Shiv. And I gave one.

1011
00:47:17,590 --> 00:47:19,120
S8: Point to Greg.

1012
00:47:20,010 --> 00:47:22,580
S15: I thought he was really hustling this episode.

1013
00:47:22,590 --> 00:47:24,960
S8: He was not only on the bike, but he was

1014
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,130
S8: carrying the coffin.

1015
00:47:26,130 --> 00:47:27,779
S15: He was meeting the president.

1016
00:47:27,780 --> 00:47:30,779
S8: I really liked when he was meeting the president and

1017
00:47:30,780 --> 00:47:32,700
S8: he was like pointing at Kendall and being like, This

1018
00:47:32,700 --> 00:47:34,710
S8: guy knows me well. I thought that was a very

1019
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:35,400
S8: funny moment.

1020
00:47:36,180 --> 00:47:36,930
S15: But I'd also like.

1021
00:47:36,930 --> 00:47:39,300
S8: To give a notable mention.

1022
00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:39,990
S15: To my.

1023
00:47:39,989 --> 00:47:41,310
S8: Main man, Colin.

1024
00:47:41,310 --> 00:47:43,680
S15: The body double denim.

1025
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:44,520
S2: He was bad.

1026
00:47:44,550 --> 00:47:47,040
S15: I have like, I don't want to say I've had

1027
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:47,489
S15: a stake.

1028
00:47:47,489 --> 00:47:48,780
S8: In Colin from the start.

1029
00:47:48,780 --> 00:47:52,319
S15: I predicted he might come back this episode. He's come back.

1030
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:57,060
S8: He's seeing a professional to heal, which we like in

1031
00:47:57,060 --> 00:48:00,060
S8: this podcast. And now he's got himself a new job.

1032
00:48:00,060 --> 00:48:01,379
S8: So yeah. Well done.

1033
00:48:01,380 --> 00:48:02,940
S9: Colin Yeah, really interesting though.

1034
00:48:02,940 --> 00:48:05,310
S3: That can really doesn't want him to see a therapist.

1035
00:48:05,310 --> 00:48:07,890
S3: It it was like those seasons of The Sopranos where

1036
00:48:07,890 --> 00:48:10,260
S3: everyone's worried about Tony going to see a shrink because

1037
00:48:10,260 --> 00:48:12,810
S3: he's going to be spilling the family business and the

1038
00:48:12,810 --> 00:48:15,690
S3: family secrets. And so Kendall's basically like, come back. Come

1039
00:48:15,690 --> 00:48:17,460
S3: back into the fold. I'll pay you. Well, you can

1040
00:48:17,460 --> 00:48:20,250
S3: be a bodyguard again. Just don't talk to a therapist

1041
00:48:20,250 --> 00:48:22,259
S3: about what my dad put you through, basically.

1042
00:48:22,260 --> 00:48:23,969
S2: But also love how Kendall's like, you can talk to

1043
00:48:23,969 --> 00:48:25,890
S2: me like, what a fucking shit show that would be.

1044
00:48:25,890 --> 00:48:29,970
S2: I mean, imagine Kendall being like, your your therapist. Like,

1045
00:48:29,969 --> 00:48:31,950
S2: good luck, man. Good luck with that.

1046
00:48:31,950 --> 00:48:38,250
S3: GROSS okay. So my three points go to Greg. For

1047
00:48:38,250 --> 00:48:40,680
S3: the reasons you guys said, like he became a pallbearer.

1048
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:45,090
S3: He met the president. He's just collecting powerful and influential friends.

1049
00:48:45,090 --> 00:48:48,180
S3: And Madison's calling him sexy. That's a great win. That's

1050
00:48:48,180 --> 00:48:51,450
S3: a great win. It's all I really aspire aspired to

1051
00:48:51,450 --> 00:48:56,400
S3: in life. Shiv Two points. It's like she was basically

1052
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,620
S3: out of the game. She was done and dusted last week,

1053
00:48:58,620 --> 00:49:01,080
S3: but she because she's willing. We didn't really talk about

1054
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:05,310
S3: this earlier, but she really revealed herself, this episode, that

1055
00:49:05,310 --> 00:49:07,740
S3: she doesn't believe in anything. If you were rooting for

1056
00:49:07,739 --> 00:49:10,230
S3: Shiv because you thought she was like the show's moral

1057
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:12,930
S3: conscience and she's kind of the liberal figure, she made

1058
00:49:12,930 --> 00:49:14,940
S3: it so clear that none of that matters to her.

1059
00:49:14,940 --> 00:49:17,370
S3: She can be best friends with Jared Macon. She can

1060
00:49:17,370 --> 00:49:21,000
S3: create crazy deals where Gojo will use that algorithm to

1061
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,270
S3: boost this new fascist president because it will mean that

1062
00:49:24,270 --> 00:49:27,870
S3: she could be the American CEO. So for for being

1063
00:49:27,870 --> 00:49:30,960
S3: willing to sell her soul, she gets two points and

1064
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,610
S3: Kendall gets one for the reasons that Thomas mentioned earlier also. Yeah,

1065
00:49:35,610 --> 00:49:41,610
S3: Roman is my obvious loser. The tallies shifted. Kendall is

1066
00:49:41,610 --> 00:49:46,350
S3: at the top of the charts, followed by Tom Roman,

1067
00:49:46,350 --> 00:49:54,100
S3: Shiv and Greg, who's had a pretty big jump this week. Okay,

1068
00:49:54,100 --> 00:50:00,100
S3: time for predictions. This is our last one ever, and

1069
00:50:00,100 --> 00:50:03,250
S3: I'm not sure I've gotten any of these right. I'm

1070
00:50:03,250 --> 00:50:05,380
S3: not sure any of us have gotten any of these right,

1071
00:50:05,380 --> 00:50:09,520
S3: but they're still fun to do. Um, for me, this

1072
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,710
S3: is something I was I was alluding to earlier in

1073
00:50:11,710 --> 00:50:16,359
S3: the conversation. I think there's a chance that Mattson and

1074
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:20,589
S3: Menken end up coming to some sort of arrangement and

1075
00:50:20,590 --> 00:50:23,710
S3: just completely isolating the kids. I don't think the kids

1076
00:50:23,710 --> 00:50:27,340
S3: will end up in any terrible situation that's still going

1077
00:50:27,340 --> 00:50:30,640
S3: to be billionaires, but they may have inadvertently just brought

1078
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,660
S3: these two characters together to plunder their company, to pillage it,

1079
00:50:34,660 --> 00:50:36,609
S3: to take what they need and leave the kids with

1080
00:50:36,610 --> 00:50:40,150
S3: an empty shell, essentially. I feel like that's a grim ending.

1081
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:43,450
S3: But I was thinking a lot after watching this episode, like,

1082
00:50:43,450 --> 00:50:46,930
S3: what is the point of the show? What does Jesse

1083
00:50:46,930 --> 00:50:49,840
S3: Armstrong want us to take away from it? What does

1084
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,320
S3: it say about 2023? And to me, it's a corrupt,

1085
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:58,990
S3: neofascist president working with an eccentric, lunatic tech billionaire to

1086
00:50:58,989 --> 00:51:02,400
S3: create a new world order and leave these billionaire nepo

1087
00:51:02,410 --> 00:51:05,560
S3: babies feeling sorry for themselves and licking their wounds. That's

1088
00:51:05,739 --> 00:51:08,140
S3: that's where I think we're going, Thomas. I mean, that

1089
00:51:08,140 --> 00:51:08,980
S3: was a pretty good answer.

1090
00:51:08,980 --> 00:51:12,160
S2: So I feel like a bit like Roman following you

1091
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,790
S2: in here. It's like a kind of a stitch up. Yeah, yeah.

1092
00:51:15,790 --> 00:51:19,930
S2: Tech billionaires and stuff. No, I. Well, I mean, firstly,

1093
00:51:19,930 --> 00:51:22,719
S2: I'm sad that we can't predict Logan's funeral anymore because

1094
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,090
S2: this happened, so I don't know what Mel is going

1095
00:51:25,090 --> 00:51:29,859
S2: to say. Um, a part of me thought that perhaps

1096
00:51:29,860 --> 00:51:31,870
S2: we would go right back to the beginning. The opening

1097
00:51:31,870 --> 00:51:35,200
S2: episode of this show ended up with a promise of

1098
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,710
S2: succession to to kind of be executed. Kendall was meant

1099
00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:41,589
S2: to take over from Logan. And, you know, therein lies

1100
00:51:41,590 --> 00:51:43,420
S2: the premise of the show. And obviously that didn't happen.

1101
00:51:43,420 --> 00:51:45,129
S2: And I wondered if we were getting like a bigger

1102
00:51:45,130 --> 00:51:48,040
S2: picture version of that. We've had a promise from Madison

1103
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,740
S2: to Shiv that she will become the CEO. We've had

1104
00:51:50,739 --> 00:51:53,710
S2: a kind of very vague, flimsy promise from Mencken to

1105
00:51:53,710 --> 00:51:56,080
S2: Roman and Kendall. I suppose that they, you know, he

1106
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,170
S2: will help them take over and yeah, similar to you.

1107
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,600
S2: Will both of those people kind of do a Logan,

1108
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,540
S2: Paul Logan take us back to the start and screw

1109
00:52:04,540 --> 00:52:08,469
S2: the kids. And again, we see these Roy siblings being

1110
00:52:08,469 --> 00:52:11,230
S2: promised something that was never probably going to happen for them.

1111
00:52:11,739 --> 00:52:15,010
S2: I mean, I think we're now nine episodes into this show.

1112
00:52:15,010 --> 00:52:17,890
S2: We've spoken about it to death. I just don't fucking

1113
00:52:17,890 --> 00:52:20,830
S2: know anymore. I'm so confused by what's going to happen

1114
00:52:20,830 --> 00:52:24,370
S2: like that. That's part of the joy of succession, I suppose.

1115
00:52:24,370 --> 00:52:27,010
S2: But yeah, I really don't know how it will end.

1116
00:52:27,010 --> 00:52:29,560
S2: I probably just predict that, you know, there will be

1117
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,500
S2: emptiness for these empty people. I don't think it's going

1118
00:52:32,500 --> 00:52:34,540
S2: to be a happy ending. And if anything, we kind

1119
00:52:34,540 --> 00:52:37,060
S2: of spoke about this off. Amell You know, it might

1120
00:52:37,060 --> 00:52:40,540
S2: feel the most similar to The Sopranos, where, you know,

1121
00:52:40,540 --> 00:52:43,600
S2: you have an ending scene that basically gives you a

1122
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,419
S2: snapshot of exactly what Tony Soprano's life will be like.

1123
00:52:46,420 --> 00:52:48,790
S2: But is he alive? Is he dead? Is he constantly

1124
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:51,040
S2: living on the edge? Like, do we know anything about

1125
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,050
S2: what the future holds for these people? Probably not.

1126
00:52:53,620 --> 00:52:55,750
S3: Mel took me through your predictions.

1127
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,010
S9: Okay. Well, I have to say.

1128
00:52:57,010 --> 00:52:58,660
S8: I've been plagiarized.

1129
00:52:58,660 --> 00:53:01,690
S9: Yeah. Do you want to piss up to that? No.

1130
00:53:02,140 --> 00:53:04,990
S2: I totally agree. I think your comparison to The Sopranos

1131
00:53:04,989 --> 00:53:07,290
S2: at the pub was right, and I'm glad I lifted it. Yeah.

1132
00:53:08,020 --> 00:53:09,760
S9: My my.

1133
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,860
S8: Prediction, which I floated.

1134
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:12,640
S9: Was.

1135
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,910
S8: That, um, yeah, I think the siblings, the three of

1136
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:18,820
S8: them will win. But ultimately you'll get the sense that

1137
00:53:18,820 --> 00:53:22,120
S8: the game doesn't stop, which I guess was.

1138
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:22,840
S15: My reference to.

1139
00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:27,070
S8: That Sopranos ending spoiler alert that, you know, Tony might

1140
00:53:27,070 --> 00:53:30,370
S8: be in charge, but every time the door opens, he's

1141
00:53:30,370 --> 00:53:32,980
S8: like wondering if someone's coming for his head. And so

1142
00:53:32,980 --> 00:53:35,620
S8: I wondered if it will be a similar ending.

1143
00:53:35,739 --> 00:53:36,370
S9: Heavy is the.

1144
00:53:36,370 --> 00:53:37,860
S3: Head. That was the crown hangman.

1145
00:53:37,930 --> 00:53:40,000
S15: Exactly. Or even if we want to.

1146
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,650
S8: Take it to Shakespeare, maybe it's a bit of a

1147
00:53:41,650 --> 00:53:43,569
S8: Lady Macbeth situation like.

1148
00:53:43,570 --> 00:53:46,030
S15: Always. Kind of washing your hands, trying.

1149
00:53:46,030 --> 00:53:48,640
S8: To get rid of the blood that is on it that.

1150
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:52,000
S8: That you can't. So maybe we'll see that. But also.

1151
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:52,660
S15: I was.

1152
00:53:52,660 --> 00:53:55,150
S8: Kind of this is a bit of a hope, more than.

1153
00:53:55,150 --> 00:53:57,280
S15: A prediction. But I hope that Tom gets some sleep

1154
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,259
S15: because he has been tired for.

1155
00:53:59,260 --> 00:54:00,850
S8: Many episodes now.

1156
00:54:00,850 --> 00:54:02,440
S15: So I hope that guy gets some annual.

1157
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,719
S8: Leave some day and lose. I hope he gets to

1158
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:05,290
S8: go to Italy.

1159
00:54:05,290 --> 00:54:06,040
S15: Like you was.

1160
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,730
S8: And find his kind of by and find life and

1161
00:54:09,730 --> 00:54:11,260
S8: love and happiness again.

1162
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,460
S3: One thing that you did mention, Thomas, is that you

1163
00:54:15,460 --> 00:54:18,250
S3: spent the first part of this season studying the board

1164
00:54:18,250 --> 00:54:20,980
S3: structure of Waystar Royco, which I feel like is going

1165
00:54:20,980 --> 00:54:22,630
S3: to come in handy for you. Now. You should be

1166
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:25,540
S3: revising those charts because I think we're going to get

1167
00:54:25,540 --> 00:54:30,370
S3: a very long, drawn out board sequence, which means Stewie

1168
00:54:30,370 --> 00:54:33,340
S3: and the Sandies Ewan, you ones on the board, right?

1169
00:54:33,340 --> 00:54:35,230
S3: Isn't that something that you found out? He'll be back?

1170
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:36,219
S9: We actually had.

1171
00:54:36,219 --> 00:54:39,340
S15: Some questions for you because we weren't sure is Gerri chair.

1172
00:54:39,340 --> 00:54:42,100
S8: Person and is she does she have a board vote as.

1173
00:54:42,100 --> 00:54:42,850
S15: Chair.

1174
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,219
S3: Why these questions for me. You guys watched the show

1175
00:54:45,219 --> 00:54:45,880
S3: the same amount.

1176
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:46,660
S21: As I do.

1177
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,500
S9: As as chair of the podcast. We thought you are

1178
00:54:50,500 --> 00:54:51,370
S9: all knowing.

1179
00:54:51,370 --> 00:54:52,080
S21: I feel like no.

1180
00:54:52,300 --> 00:54:55,090
S3: Feel like it's a good question because Jerry would have been,

1181
00:54:55,090 --> 00:54:57,970
S3: you know, facilitating these kinds of things. She's always been

1182
00:54:57,969 --> 00:54:59,920
S3: present at board meetings, but I think now she's out

1183
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:00,660
S3: of the company.

1184
00:55:00,670 --> 00:55:02,920
S2: She what I'm hearing here is that you guys want

1185
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:04,300
S2: me to talk you through the board before we wrap

1186
00:55:04,300 --> 00:55:04,719
S2: this up?

1187
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,760
S9: Yeah, right around. Yeah.

1188
00:55:07,060 --> 00:55:10,030
S2: So allow me to just quickly give you a quick

1189
00:55:10,030 --> 00:55:11,740
S2: run over of the board before we wrap this up.

1190
00:55:11,739 --> 00:55:19,210
S2: So the current Waystar board, obviously. Logan, Roy, Rip, Siobhan, Roy, Roman, Roy, Frank.

1191
00:55:19,210 --> 00:55:23,530
S2: Ewen That'll do. Peg Stewy. Sandy Furness So the Sandy

1192
00:55:23,530 --> 00:55:27,050
S2: That's not in the wheelchair. Paul Chambers Never heard of him, do.

1193
00:55:27,219 --> 00:55:33,939
S2: Swan Datu Cosma. Sandy Furness That's the wheelchair one and

1194
00:55:33,940 --> 00:55:36,910
S2: Kendall Roy So that's okay. That's the current board. Half

1195
00:55:36,910 --> 00:55:38,770
S2: of them we haven't seen and I suspect won't play

1196
00:55:38,770 --> 00:55:42,100
S2: a part. But yeah, as it stands, that's the current

1197
00:55:42,100 --> 00:55:43,239
S2: people who can vote.

1198
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,160
S3: I think it's going to be characters we know. I

1199
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,860
S3: don't think there's going to be surprises. I do hope

1200
00:55:47,860 --> 00:55:50,140
S3: we see a lot of Stewie and I do hope

1201
00:55:50,140 --> 00:55:54,520
S3: that you and gives another mad speech that that shifts

1202
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,790
S3: things in some direction. Before we before you wrap up,

1203
00:55:57,790 --> 00:56:01,060
S3: we've got a couple of future episode announcements to make.

1204
00:56:01,060 --> 00:56:04,180
S3: So later this week will be back with a pre

1205
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:09,250
S3: previewing the finale and also looking at the seasons of

1206
00:56:09,250 --> 00:56:12,460
S3: the show so far. We'll be looking at our best

1207
00:56:12,460 --> 00:56:15,190
S3: and worst moments from the entire series. We're looking at

1208
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:19,030
S3: our best insults ever will be swapping facts about the

1209
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:21,010
S3: show we haven't had time to go into yet, and

1210
00:56:21,010 --> 00:56:22,420
S3: we're basically going to have a lot of fun before

1211
00:56:22,420 --> 00:56:25,989
S3: we get into the very serious, dense unpacking of this finale.

1212
00:56:25,989 --> 00:56:29,350
S3: We are not going to get a preview episode for

1213
00:56:29,350 --> 00:56:32,320
S3: the finale, so we'll be watching it on Monday, the

1214
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,890
S3: same as everybody else. Our excellent producer, Ruby, will be

1215
00:56:35,890 --> 00:56:38,890
S3: working very, very hard to get that episode into your

1216
00:56:38,890 --> 00:56:42,100
S3: feeds as soon as possible after it airs on Monday.

1217
00:56:42,100 --> 00:56:47,140
S3: So stay tuned for that. Thomas and Mel, stay safe.

1218
00:56:47,140 --> 00:56:50,469
S3: Enjoy the last week before succession wraps up.

1219
00:56:50,469 --> 00:56:53,710
S15: Thank you. Enjoy your last week of employment. Thomas I think.

1220
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,900
S2: The lady protests too much.

1221
00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:59,020
S3: That makes no sense in the context.

1222
00:57:00,910 --> 00:57:01,779
S21: Zero context.

1223
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:13,190
S3: This succession recap episode of The Drop was produced by

1224
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:16,970
S3: Ruby Schwartz. If you enjoyed listening to today's episode of

1225
00:57:16,970 --> 00:57:19,430
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1226
00:57:19,430 --> 00:57:22,790
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1227
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