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S3: Yes, this one's very exciting. We all obviously loved beef.

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S3: really like they were having the time. You're supposed to

445
00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:46,020
S3: have it, Taylor.

446
00:19:46,020 --> 00:19:47,310
S1: And I was like, you and I, Thomas at the

447
00:19:47,310 --> 00:19:48,150
S1: Kanye concert.

448
00:19:49,710 --> 00:19:50,670
S4: But yeah, like it was.

449
00:19:50,670 --> 00:19:53,040
S3: It seriously was that whole energy I think was was

450
00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,190
S3: pretty unique. I've never really seen that. Um, and yeah,

451
00:19:56,190 --> 00:19:58,350
S3: and aside from the fact, like, Taylor was amazing, like, yeah,

452
00:19:58,350 --> 00:20:00,810
S3: she can't dance. We all know that. Um, but the

453
00:20:00,810 --> 00:20:03,030
S3: rest of the show was incredible. I did think, which

454
00:20:03,030 --> 00:20:05,820
S3: I said to you both, like, maybe for me, I'm

455
00:20:05,820 --> 00:20:08,100
S3: not really into like, the folk more ever more eras.

456
00:20:08,100 --> 00:20:11,070
S3: And there were some definite down moments which you probably

457
00:20:11,070 --> 00:20:12,659
S3: need in a show that goes that long. But maybe

458
00:20:12,660 --> 00:20:14,880
S3: for me, a touch too many. Like, again, I could

459
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,130
S3: go Scorsese and probably like chop out 45 minutes from

460
00:20:17,130 --> 00:20:20,820
S3: her show for her should she require that service. But otherwise, yeah.

461
00:20:20,820 --> 00:20:22,080
S3: All in all, very impressed.

462
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:23,879
S2: Can I ask because Oz and I were in the

463
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,310
S2: office quite late on Friday night, blogging it through like

464
00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:28,739
S2: live streams of TikToks, which was almost as fun, I

465
00:20:28,740 --> 00:20:31,350
S2: have to say. Is going to the concert, which, uh, yeah, except.

466
00:20:31,350 --> 00:20:33,540
S1: What we could hear was just like the fans singing

467
00:20:33,540 --> 00:20:35,129
S1: really badly instead of Taylor.

468
00:20:35,130 --> 00:20:36,419
S4: Swift. It's so funny, which is.

469
00:20:36,570 --> 00:20:37,380
S1: A little bit painful.

470
00:20:37,380 --> 00:20:39,840
S2: But I was wondering, I was worried that everyone got

471
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,450
S2: really wet, and then you had to spend the entire show,

472
00:20:42,450 --> 00:20:44,670
S2: like in soggy shoes and clothes.

473
00:20:44,670 --> 00:20:45,360
S4: Don't know.

474
00:20:45,690 --> 00:20:47,850
S3: So I just before the rain started, they kind of

475
00:20:47,850 --> 00:20:49,979
S3: like ushered everyone inside. It was like district nine. We're

476
00:20:49,980 --> 00:20:52,379
S3: all like, so packed in there. Uh, and then once

477
00:20:52,380 --> 00:20:53,919
S3: it finished, they sent us back out. So for the

478
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,990
S3: most part, I was not that good.

479
00:20:56,170 --> 00:20:57,100
S4: Uh, look.

480
00:20:57,100 --> 00:20:59,050
S1: I shared my thoughts on the episode last week. I

481
00:20:59,050 --> 00:21:01,899
S1: agree with you guys. Great. Uh. Great show, great performer.

482
00:21:01,900 --> 00:21:04,600
S1: Very happy to see her leave because this country was

483
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,760
S1: losing its mind. I don't want to spend too much

484
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,640
S1: time on it. But, you know, just this week, from

485
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:14,230
S1: the terrible, like, tone deaf comments from the police commissioner

486
00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:17,050
S1: in New South Wales, Karen Webb, who in responding to

487
00:21:17,050 --> 00:21:20,620
S1: a question about this tragic double homicide last week, said,

488
00:21:20,619 --> 00:21:23,590
S1: you know, haters gonna hate. Isn't that what Taylor Swift says?

489
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:26,680
S1: In response to criticism of the New South Wales Police,

490
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,609
S1: Scott Morrison quoting the title of every single album in

491
00:21:30,609 --> 00:21:32,140
S1: his valedictory speech.

492
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:34,690
S5: It is true that my political opponents have often made

493
00:21:34,690 --> 00:21:40,060
S5: me see red, often when subjected to the tortured poets

494
00:21:40,300 --> 00:21:42,970
S5: who would rise to attack my reputation.

495
00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:47,200
S1: Terrible opinion pieces in The Australian newspaper from like old

496
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:51,280
S1: men talking about what Taylor Swift means for politics. We

497
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,770
S1: had our share, we had fun. But if she was

498
00:21:53,770 --> 00:21:56,139
S1: here for literally one more day, I think this country

499
00:21:56,140 --> 00:21:59,500
S1: would have completely lost the plot even more. So thank

500
00:21:59,500 --> 00:22:01,540
S1: you Taylor for coming. Glad you had fun. Glad you

501
00:22:01,540 --> 00:22:04,149
S1: made $1 trillion. But, um, we need a bit of

502
00:22:04,150 --> 00:22:05,230
S1: a reset, don't we?

503
00:22:05,230 --> 00:22:05,649
S4: Yeah, I.

504
00:22:05,650 --> 00:22:07,870
S2: Mean, I think the kangaroo is the real winner out

505
00:22:07,869 --> 00:22:10,900
S2: of this. She described a strong, cool and bouncy and

506
00:22:10,900 --> 00:22:11,470
S2: Sydney Zoo.

507
00:22:11,500 --> 00:22:12,430
S4: I was gonna say Sydney Zoo.

508
00:22:12,430 --> 00:22:15,040
S3: If anyone want Sydney Zoo, we're booked out for the

509
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,060
S3: next six years. So.

510
00:22:23,980 --> 00:22:27,100
S6: Hi, I'm Samantha Salinger Morris. I'm here because I want

511
00:22:27,100 --> 00:22:28,600
S6: to let you know that at the age in the

512
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,080
S6: Sydney Morning Herald, we've just relaunched our daily news podcast.

513
00:22:32,290 --> 00:22:35,320
S6: It's now called The Morning Edition, and I'm your host.

514
00:22:35,410 --> 00:22:38,260
S6: In every episode, we unpack the biggest stories of the

515
00:22:38,260 --> 00:22:42,820
S6: day with the best journalists in the country. Like Nick McKenzie,

516
00:22:42,850 --> 00:22:46,210
S6: who broke the story about Ben Roberts-Smith, the war hero

517
00:22:46,210 --> 00:22:47,530
S6: turned war criminal.

518
00:22:47,710 --> 00:22:49,420
S7: Now what was going on from day night? It was

519
00:22:49,420 --> 00:22:52,750
S7: about intimidation and shutting us up and saying, you come

520
00:22:52,750 --> 00:22:54,939
S7: after Ben Roberts-Smith, he'll come after you.

521
00:22:55,180 --> 00:22:58,540
S6: And Kate McClymont, whose investigations are synonymous with some of

522
00:22:58,540 --> 00:23:01,659
S6: the biggest scandals and stories in Australian public life.

523
00:23:01,810 --> 00:23:06,460
S8: When Eddie Obeid finally went to jail, I can remember

524
00:23:06,460 --> 00:23:09,729
S8: being in the newsroom at the Herald and I actually

525
00:23:09,730 --> 00:23:10,960
S8: burst into tears.

526
00:23:10,990 --> 00:23:14,140
S6: The Morning Edition will take you beyond the headlines, bringing

527
00:23:14,140 --> 00:23:17,470
S6: you the story behind the story. You can find it

528
00:23:17,470 --> 00:23:20,500
S6: by searching for the Morning Edition in your podcast app

529
00:23:20,500 --> 00:23:23,800
S6: of choice. New episodes will be in your feed every

530
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:24,670
S6: weekday morning.

531
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S1: All right, well, onto the topic of cultural resets. We've

532
00:23:32,750 --> 00:23:36,650
S1: gone from one giant pop cultural phenomenon into what could

533
00:23:36,650 --> 00:23:41,450
S1: be another one. June Part two is released in cinemas today.

534
00:23:41,450 --> 00:23:44,540
S1: On Thursday, it's the follow up to 2020 1st June,

535
00:23:44,540 --> 00:23:49,340
S1: directed by Denis Villeneuve, starring Timothee Chalamet, Oscar Isaac, Rebecca Ferguson,

536
00:23:49,340 --> 00:23:51,950
S1: Josh Brolin and the first one had like 30s of

537
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,010
S1: Zendaya in it as well, looking like she was in

538
00:23:55,010 --> 00:23:58,910
S1: an ad for perfume or makeup or something. Um, before

539
00:23:58,910 --> 00:24:03,109
S1: we talk, uh, in depth about Dune Part two, how

540
00:24:03,109 --> 00:24:05,690
S1: did you guys feel about part one? What was your

541
00:24:05,690 --> 00:24:08,240
S1: viewing experience like? Did you enjoy the first one? Were

542
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,490
S1: you excited about part two coming out?

543
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,090
S2: Look, I watched part one at home quite a while ago,

544
00:24:14,090 --> 00:24:17,060
S2: and I didn't rewatch it again before going into this one,

545
00:24:17,060 --> 00:24:19,730
S2: so I kind of went in cold and didn't remember

546
00:24:19,730 --> 00:24:22,310
S2: a whole heap from it. Part one I remember quite liking.

547
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:23,990
S2: I think I watched it over two nights. I thought

548
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:27,260
S2: the cinematography was amazing, um, and it had a lot

549
00:24:27,260 --> 00:24:30,140
S2: of kind of excitement about it at the time, but

550
00:24:30,140 --> 00:24:32,570
S2: I remember it being a real standout kind of sci

551
00:24:32,570 --> 00:24:35,240
S2: fi film and one of the biggest sci fi films

552
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,020
S2: to hit cinemas in some time. Um, but I it

553
00:24:39,020 --> 00:24:41,720
S2: didn't kind of. I guess I haven't been a huge

554
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,000
S2: dune head. Did you like the first one, Thomas?

555
00:24:44,780 --> 00:24:45,470
S4: Um.

556
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:51,170
S3: Not massively. I look, I think that it's been one

557
00:24:51,170 --> 00:24:54,439
S3: of those few cultural kind of like phenomenons that I

558
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,350
S3: just am not across. I'm not really into sci fi, um,

559
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:59,660
S3: to begin with, but I always have like a passing

560
00:24:59,660 --> 00:25:01,459
S3: interest in whatever people are talking about. And so I

561
00:25:01,460 --> 00:25:05,389
S3: was aware of Dune. I watched it again. It's one

562
00:25:05,390 --> 00:25:06,500
S3: of those ones I had to, like, do so much

563
00:25:06,500 --> 00:25:10,250
S3: googling alongside. And so I just feel like I watched it.

564
00:25:10,250 --> 00:25:13,670
S3: I was like, okay, looks good, but overhyped for me.

565
00:25:13,670 --> 00:25:16,130
S3: And then now as we've entered like the Dune two era,

566
00:25:16,130 --> 00:25:18,680
S3: I'm like, okay, well, I'm preparing to talk to people

567
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:19,820
S3: about this all over again.

568
00:25:20,270 --> 00:25:20,570
S9: Haha.

569
00:25:21,170 --> 00:25:23,540
S1: Well, I think this could be a fun conversation because

570
00:25:23,540 --> 00:25:26,480
S1: you guys are both sort of normal people on this one,

571
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,699
S1: and I am what they call in the Dune verse.

572
00:25:28,700 --> 00:25:30,170
S1: A spice head.

573
00:25:30,170 --> 00:25:31,310
S4: I'm like.

574
00:25:31,310 --> 00:25:34,580
S1: I'm like very, very deep on. On June lore, I

575
00:25:34,580 --> 00:25:36,980
S1: was reading the books when I was a kid. I've

576
00:25:36,980 --> 00:25:38,840
S1: read all of them. I read all the weird prequels

577
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,630
S1: and sequels written by Frank Herbert's son and his mate

578
00:25:41,630 --> 00:25:45,470
S1: Kevin Anderson. Uh, the these these books are insane. They're

579
00:25:45,470 --> 00:25:49,040
S1: completely unhinged. Um, they were written by Frank Herbert in

580
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:53,690
S1: the 60s, and they're engaging with ideas of, like postcolonialism,

581
00:25:53,690 --> 00:25:59,270
S1: resource exploitation, oil like the, the, the, you know, tribes

582
00:25:59,270 --> 00:26:01,910
S1: getting together in, in the Middle East to, to kick

583
00:26:01,910 --> 00:26:06,170
S1: out European colonizers. Very Lawrence of Arabia inspired stuff, plus

584
00:26:06,170 --> 00:26:12,290
S1: completely insane acid and hallucinogenic inspired storylines around people taking

585
00:26:12,290 --> 00:26:16,700
S1: drugs and losing their minds. Such a crazy, uh, like

586
00:26:16,700 --> 00:26:21,770
S1: lore around this. Famously considered unfilmable for a very long time. Uh,

587
00:26:21,770 --> 00:26:25,220
S1: there's a version by David Lynch in the 80s, which

588
00:26:25,220 --> 00:26:28,760
S1: is not a great movie, but completely unhinged. Uh, Alejandro

589
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,450
S1: Jodorowsky famously tried to adapt this, I think in the 70s.

590
00:26:32,450 --> 00:26:35,540
S1: There's a great doco called Jodorowsky's Dune, which looks at

591
00:26:35,540 --> 00:26:39,260
S1: him trying to make this movie, uh, and it just

592
00:26:39,260 --> 00:26:41,450
S1: falling apart, I think he writes a script and goes

593
00:26:41,450 --> 00:26:43,880
S1: to the studio and says, I've figured it out. I

594
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,149
S1: figured out how to film the unfilmable book. It's got

595
00:26:47,150 --> 00:26:49,340
S1: to be 14 hours, though, and the studio is like,

596
00:26:49,340 --> 00:26:51,980
S1: you're a psycho, get out of here. Uh, so yeah,

597
00:26:51,980 --> 00:26:55,939
S1: I'm pretty into Dune, you could say. And I really

598
00:26:55,940 --> 00:26:58,399
S1: enjoyed the first movie. I was very hype for the

599
00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:59,840
S1: second movie. Well, you say things you want to get

600
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,520
S1: off your chest about me before we go.

601
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:01,970
S4: Yeah, well.

602
00:27:01,970 --> 00:27:02,690
S3: Yes, a few.

603
00:27:02,690 --> 00:27:03,440
S4: Things, like.

604
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,970
S3: Jimmy related to Dune or, um, firstly, everything you just said,

605
00:27:07,970 --> 00:27:09,859
S3: I'm like, well, this is a perfect Venn diagram of

606
00:27:09,859 --> 00:27:13,370
S3: all of Osman's fucking interests. So, like, unsurprised that like,

607
00:27:13,369 --> 00:27:16,159
S3: 11 year old Osmond was like, you know, up in

608
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,440
S3: his room, like reading Dune, being like, well, what you guys.

609
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,660
S1: Probably don't even know because they're not explicit about this

610
00:27:20,660 --> 00:27:22,850
S1: in the, in the, in the, um, films, they're not explicit.

611
00:27:22,850 --> 00:27:23,750
S3: About anything.

612
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,929
S1: The religion of the main kind of the Fremen, the

613
00:27:26,930 --> 00:27:30,710
S1: characters that Timothee Chalamet sort of bonds with. They are

614
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:33,740
S1: a made up religion in this world called Zen Sunni,

615
00:27:33,740 --> 00:27:37,160
S1: which is this, like futuristic blend of Sunni Islam and

616
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,070
S1: Zen Buddhism. So yeah, you're right, you couldn't get more

617
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:43,609
S1: in my Venn diagram as like a teenager if you tried.

618
00:27:43,609 --> 00:27:45,980
S2: It was very funny last night because Thomas went over

619
00:27:45,980 --> 00:27:47,990
S2: to me. We went and saw it together at the screening,

620
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:49,129
S2: and Thomas leaned over and he's like, what do you

621
00:27:49,130 --> 00:27:51,800
S2: think Oz thinks this is about? And I was like, communism,

622
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,720
S2: definitely communism.

623
00:27:54,350 --> 00:27:54,620
S4: Um, I.

624
00:27:54,619 --> 00:27:57,260
S1: Don't I don't know if I was about communism, Mel.

625
00:27:57,619 --> 00:28:00,110
S3: I was more like getting in trouble from the security

626
00:28:00,109 --> 00:28:04,610
S3: guard with his laser pointer with ten times. Man. You did? Yeah. Because,

627
00:28:04,609 --> 00:28:06,770
S3: like I was we were at a screening, I got

628
00:28:06,770 --> 00:28:09,380
S3: my phone out to text my wife, like something about whatever,

629
00:28:09,380 --> 00:28:12,260
S3: who cares? And then the security guy behind me, like,

630
00:28:12,260 --> 00:28:14,180
S3: put his laser point on me. And then the first

631
00:28:14,180 --> 00:28:16,310
S3: time I was like, okay. And then two more times

632
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:18,320
S3: that happened because I was like, dealing with the situation.

633
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,930
S3: I was like, if this motherfucker laser pointed me again,

634
00:28:20,930 --> 00:28:23,150
S3: I swear to God, like I was. Well, there was.

635
00:28:23,150 --> 00:28:25,939
S1: A big warning saying, please do not touch your phone because.

636
00:28:25,940 --> 00:28:26,209
S1: And they.

637
00:28:26,210 --> 00:28:26,870
S2: Also announced.

638
00:28:26,869 --> 00:28:28,730
S4: That if I had my iPad.

639
00:28:28,980 --> 00:28:31,290
S3: I was filming it like a boomer at a wedding then. Yeah, fine.

640
00:28:31,290 --> 00:28:34,320
S3: But I was, like, discreetly texting, you know, brightness down low.

641
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,120
S3: I was like, this guy needs, like, a different job.

642
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,940
S2: But also for my understanding, that's like kind of anti

643
00:28:38,940 --> 00:28:41,730
S2: the world of June. Right? Which is no computers and

644
00:28:41,730 --> 00:28:42,720
S2: no kind of.

645
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,030
S1: I mean that's right, that's right. Well let's talk about

646
00:28:45,030 --> 00:28:47,160
S1: the movie before we get we get we get further.

647
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,320
S4: Deep into the backstory of The.

648
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,170
S1: Butler and jihad and why there are no machines in

649
00:28:52,170 --> 00:28:56,160
S1: this universe. So. So the second film picks up. Um, yeah.

650
00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,120
S1: The butler in Jihad is a real thing that happens. Um, anyway,

651
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,880
S1: the second film picks up basically the minute after the

652
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,920
S1: first one. And so if you're interested in saying this,

653
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,020
S1: you really should do a rewatch of the first one.

654
00:29:07,020 --> 00:29:10,470
S1: I think, uh, we have Timothee Chalamet character Paul hiding

655
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:13,980
S1: out with his mum, played by Rebecca Ferguson, and a character, Sharni,

656
00:29:13,980 --> 00:29:16,920
S1: who's a freshman, played by Zendaya. They're all hiding in

657
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,990
S1: the desert of Arrakis. Uh, Paul's House Atreides has been

658
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:25,440
S1: all but wiped out by the rival family, the Hawkins.

659
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,280
S1: They are led by the evil, terrifying looking Baron, played

660
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,670
S1: by Stellan Skarsgard. The film basically follows Paul as he

661
00:29:32,670 --> 00:29:35,100
S1: tries to adapt to the ways of the desert, and

662
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:38,100
S1: grapples with this prophecy that suggests that he could be

663
00:29:38,100 --> 00:29:41,370
S1: the one to lead the Fremen out of the wilderness

664
00:29:41,370 --> 00:29:45,360
S1: and to reclaim their planet, Arrakis. There's a few new

665
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,900
S1: characters introduced into part two. The most significant one is

666
00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:52,290
S1: probably the one played by Austin Butler. That's Faid Rother,

667
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,320
S1: the nephew of Baron Harkonnen and I guess kind of

668
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,010
S1: an antithesis, rival to Paul in terms of where this

669
00:29:59,010 --> 00:30:03,300
S1: whole storyline is going. I thought part two was basically

670
00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:06,360
S1: part one, like turned up to 11. A lot of

671
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,020
S1: the backstory and exposition, they seemingly thought they'd gotten out

672
00:30:10,020 --> 00:30:12,240
S1: of the way in part one, and don't really bother

673
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,270
S1: explaining a lot to you in part two. It's just

674
00:30:15,270 --> 00:30:17,970
S1: we're going for it. It reminded me a fair bit

675
00:30:17,970 --> 00:30:20,700
S1: of like mad Max Fury Road, not just because of

676
00:30:20,700 --> 00:30:24,330
S1: the desert settings, but the sheer intensity, particularly watching this

677
00:30:24,330 --> 00:30:28,710
S1: movie on Imax with the sound, the action sequences, very, very,

678
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:32,790
S1: very overwhelming. Kind of like heart racing stuff. Just, um,

679
00:30:32,790 --> 00:30:36,450
S1: just kept coming back to me. Pure like maximalist filmmaking.

680
00:30:36,450 --> 00:30:40,290
S1: Danny's like, I'm going to make a huge epic space adventure,

681
00:30:40,290 --> 00:30:42,870
S1: and I'm going to make it feel big and overwhelming

682
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:46,680
S1: and spectacular and it moments quite terrifying. I also thought

683
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,970
S1: the acting was generally really, really good, particularly Salomé and Butler.

684
00:30:50,970 --> 00:30:53,550
S1: I thought really gave it their all. And yeah, like

685
00:30:53,550 --> 00:30:55,920
S1: I said, it's an experience. If you can say this

686
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,140
S1: at the Imax, I'd recommend it. I just don't think

687
00:30:58,140 --> 00:31:02,220
S1: this movie would translate as well to watching it at

688
00:31:02,220 --> 00:31:05,250
S1: home or like on a laptop. What did you guys

689
00:31:05,250 --> 00:31:07,050
S1: make of June part two?

690
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,390
S2: Well, look, as I mentioned, I hadn't seen Dune Part

691
00:31:09,390 --> 00:31:10,830
S2: one a while ago, and I kind of I don't

692
00:31:10,830 --> 00:31:12,090
S2: want you think I'm bad at my job. I kind

693
00:31:12,090 --> 00:31:14,130
S2: of made the decision to go in cold and without

694
00:31:14,130 --> 00:31:16,950
S2: doing the deep dive. I think I actually have the

695
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:19,410
S2: potential to be a dune head like, but I've missed

696
00:31:19,410 --> 00:31:21,240
S2: my moment because, like, I was someone who loved Lord

697
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:22,710
S2: of the rings, I read them all. I read this

698
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:25,710
S2: a million. I kind of was deep into that world,

699
00:31:25,710 --> 00:31:29,400
S2: but I never kind of got into the Dune June thing.

700
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,930
S2: But so I went into this cold, and I have

701
00:31:30,930 --> 00:31:34,020
S2: to say, I did not understand what was going on,

702
00:31:34,020 --> 00:31:36,810
S2: which you just flagged like that. They don't give you

703
00:31:36,810 --> 00:31:39,870
S2: heaps of set up. Um, in saying that, I could

704
00:31:39,870 --> 00:31:43,740
S2: understand the broad sweep of things. The North, the South,

705
00:31:43,740 --> 00:31:45,630
S2: I knew who were the baddies, I knew who we

706
00:31:45,630 --> 00:31:48,180
S2: were going for. But there was obviously a lot of

707
00:31:48,180 --> 00:31:51,390
S2: stuff that I didn't really get and they didn't explain. Like,

708
00:31:51,390 --> 00:31:54,060
S2: I knew the blue potion did something magical. I knew

709
00:31:54,060 --> 00:31:57,570
S2: there was obviously a bigger council with Florence Pugh playing

710
00:31:57,570 --> 00:32:01,410
S2: kind of the daughter of the leader of the council. Um,

711
00:32:01,410 --> 00:32:03,780
S2: but I felt like there was not a lot of

712
00:32:03,780 --> 00:32:06,750
S2: context given. So I did find the kind of details

713
00:32:06,750 --> 00:32:10,080
S2: of the world as someone without the backstory. I did

714
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,570
S2: find the details of the world kind of confusing, but

715
00:32:12,570 --> 00:32:16,230
S2: not so much that it detracted from my enjoyment because

716
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:18,810
S2: the bigger picture stuff was all very easy to follow,

717
00:32:18,810 --> 00:32:21,420
S2: if not the kind of micro level politics of of

718
00:32:21,420 --> 00:32:22,410
S2: the universe.

719
00:32:22,830 --> 00:32:23,790
S1: What about you, Thomas?

720
00:32:23,910 --> 00:32:24,570
S4: Um.

721
00:32:25,290 --> 00:32:26,550
S3: Yeah, I guess, like.

722
00:32:26,970 --> 00:32:29,400
S4: You did not like, I can say like you're allowed

723
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,860
S4: to say. I really didn't like it. Yeah, um.

724
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:33,960
S3: I just found it, like. And, you know, you mentioned

725
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,750
S3: Lord of the rings, and I love Lord of the rings. And, like,

726
00:32:36,750 --> 00:32:39,150
S3: I'm not a sci fi guy, but I love Star Wars.

727
00:32:39,150 --> 00:32:41,160
S3: I've seen every Star Wars film. And I guess, like,

728
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,010
S3: if we're kind of doing like, like for like, comparisons,

729
00:32:44,010 --> 00:32:47,370
S3: they're similar ish. Um, you know, franchises and worlds that

730
00:32:47,370 --> 00:32:50,250
S3: deal with, you know, hugely huge worlds with multiple characters

731
00:32:50,250 --> 00:32:52,860
S3: dealing with very, you know, much broader themes. Um, and

732
00:32:52,860 --> 00:32:56,400
S3: I love both of those series. I just find June

733
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:01,350
S3: to be so, like, laborious and so hard to get

734
00:33:01,350 --> 00:33:05,130
S3: myself into the world. And, and the second movie I

735
00:33:05,130 --> 00:33:07,620
S3: found like exactly the same as the first in that like, visually,

736
00:33:07,620 --> 00:33:10,080
S3: you know, like, like get it out of it, get

737
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,150
S3: the obvious out of the way. It looks amazing. It

738
00:33:12,150 --> 00:33:15,360
S3: sounds amazing. Like from a technical standpoint, the film is

739
00:33:15,630 --> 00:33:18,510
S3: great as a product, but I just couldn't get myself

740
00:33:18,510 --> 00:33:21,030
S3: into the story and I found part to even possibly

741
00:33:21,030 --> 00:33:24,780
S3: more like dry. Um, that's dry.

742
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:25,830
S4: Or whatever.

743
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:26,610
S2: No water there.

744
00:33:26,730 --> 00:33:27,960
S4: Um, I really.

745
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,060
S3: Like. When they did drink that Alice or whatever the

746
00:33:30,060 --> 00:33:30,870
S3: water of laughs.

747
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:32,910
S4: But yeah.

748
00:33:32,910 --> 00:33:37,170
S3: Like, I really just found myself struggling through it, um, and,

749
00:33:37,470 --> 00:33:40,020
S3: and on the way home because I was like, I'm

750
00:33:40,020 --> 00:33:43,590
S3: trying to, like, I guess, interrogate why I find this

751
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:46,140
S3: movie so difficult and and is it is there a

752
00:33:46,140 --> 00:33:48,000
S3: real division between, you know, the oseman of the world,

753
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,520
S3: people who are proper dune heads? But then the movie

754
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,410
S3: is so hype, so like not everyone is going to

755
00:33:52,410 --> 00:33:55,410
S3: be at the level of fandom you are oseman people

756
00:33:55,410 --> 00:33:57,240
S3: are just like, you know, lots of my mates were

757
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,280
S3: keen to see Dune two and were like jealous that

758
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:00,990
S3: I was going like, My God, would I swap with

759
00:34:00,990 --> 00:34:03,480
S3: you in a heartbeat? Yes. And so then like, what

760
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,000
S3: is it like, what is it about the film that

761
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,340
S3: appeals to people who aren't on the same crazy level

762
00:34:08,340 --> 00:34:08,790
S3: as you?

763
00:34:09,390 --> 00:34:11,070
S1: It's a really good question. I've been thinking about that

764
00:34:11,070 --> 00:34:13,589
S1: myself as well. Like, I think it was just like

765
00:34:13,590 --> 00:34:16,350
S1: separate these two components out. We've talked a bit about that,

766
00:34:16,350 --> 00:34:19,500
S1: the filmmaking side of it, and let's have that conversation

767
00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:22,830
S1: about the the is the story or all the complexity

768
00:34:22,830 --> 00:34:26,460
S1: of what's going on. I think if we, we, we

769
00:34:26,460 --> 00:34:29,310
S1: all seem to agree that it's pretty stunning. It's shot

770
00:34:29,310 --> 00:34:33,180
S1: by Australian Greg Fraser who did the first one. I

771
00:34:33,180 --> 00:34:36,660
S1: think what he's done with the the desert stuff, but

772
00:34:36,660 --> 00:34:38,520
S1: also this contrast, there's this bit in the middle of

773
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,130
S1: the movie where we go to the Harkonnen planet, where

774
00:34:41,130 --> 00:34:43,799
S1: we see Austin Butler in this kind of Gladiator esque

775
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,560
S1: sort of setting. That black and white style is awesome,

776
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,719
S1: and it's almost like an entire second movie just in

777
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,580
S1: the middle of it and all that stuff, I think,

778
00:34:50,580 --> 00:34:52,710
S1: I think is good, and I think it's hard to

779
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:55,050
S1: critique the movie for the way that it looks and

780
00:34:55,050 --> 00:34:59,070
S1: feels and sounds, and I think that it's a sci

781
00:34:59,070 --> 00:35:00,960
S1: fi movie, so there's some CGI, but a lot of

782
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,690
S1: the effects feel practical as well. Like, you really feel

783
00:35:03,690 --> 00:35:08,580
S1: like you're seeing these giant, you know, metal spaceships exploding

784
00:35:08,580 --> 00:35:10,950
S1: and all that sort of stuff. And then that brings

785
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:13,739
S1: us to, I guess, the complexity of the story and how,

786
00:35:13,830 --> 00:35:17,010
S1: quote unquote, like normies might react to it, because I'm

787
00:35:17,010 --> 00:35:20,520
S1: also surprised. Nell, one of our colleagues here in Melbourne,

788
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,380
S1: watched it last night with with her partner and I

789
00:35:22,380 --> 00:35:25,020
S1: think neither of them a June heads and they loved it.

790
00:35:25,020 --> 00:35:29,280
S1: And I'm really intrigued by that because there's so much

791
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,800
S1: like this movie opens. This is not a spoiler. It's

792
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,900
S1: in the first minute of the movie. If you don't

793
00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:37,020
S1: want to hear what's in the first minute, you can

794
00:35:37,020 --> 00:35:39,360
S1: tune out for the next 30s or whatever. It's like

795
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,860
S1: an embryo in Paul's mum that he's communicating with telepathically.

796
00:35:43,860 --> 00:35:47,279
S1: That's an insane concept, right? To just chuck in to

797
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,220
S1: a blockbuster movie, and that is one of maybe 100

798
00:35:50,219 --> 00:35:54,180
S1: insane ideas that is just left unsaid. It's not explained.

799
00:35:54,180 --> 00:35:56,160
S1: There is an exposition around what's going on. You're just

800
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,020
S1: supposed to pick these things up. And there is a

801
00:35:58,020 --> 00:36:02,100
S1: lot of complicated political stuff that I get that I

802
00:36:02,100 --> 00:36:03,509
S1: guess a lot of people might not have haven't read

803
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:08,759
S1: the books. But to Mel's point, the story is not

804
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,790
S1: that dissimilar to things like Star Wars, right? In the

805
00:36:11,790 --> 00:36:15,000
S1: sense there's this young kid in the desert who's teaming

806
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,830
S1: up with a group of rebels, and they're trying to

807
00:36:16,860 --> 00:36:19,950
S1: beat the evil, fascistic bad guys who are like, very

808
00:36:19,950 --> 00:36:22,710
S1: clearly the bad guys because they look hideous with shaved

809
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:25,590
S1: heads and have all this kind of triumph of the will,

810
00:36:25,590 --> 00:36:28,140
S1: you know, iconography. And then there's a little bit of

811
00:36:28,140 --> 00:36:30,870
S1: complexity with the people on his side. You know, there's

812
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:33,630
S1: a bit of tension between the religious fundamentalists and the

813
00:36:33,630 --> 00:36:36,930
S1: sort of the the less, the more skeptical folk. And

814
00:36:36,930 --> 00:36:40,350
S1: then Paul himself is his character, who's grappling with the

815
00:36:40,350 --> 00:36:43,680
S1: weight of expectation, a bit of family tension, what he

816
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,230
S1: wants to do versus what's being thrust upon him. These,

817
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:49,800
S1: I guess, are ideas that are kind of universal throughout

818
00:36:49,950 --> 00:36:52,530
S1: the hero's journey, throughout a lot of film and literature,

819
00:36:52,530 --> 00:36:54,750
S1: I think there's enough to cling on to, even if

820
00:36:54,750 --> 00:36:58,530
S1: you're not entirely sure how a sandworm works or what

821
00:36:58,530 --> 00:37:00,960
S1: the blue liquid is, that that's kind of my take

822
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:01,170
S1: on it.

823
00:37:01,170 --> 00:37:03,720
S2: Yeah, I agree, I think like the, the tropes of

824
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:08,760
S2: kind of classic Hollywood blockbuster, are there love story, enemy,

825
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,600
S2: personal quest, revenge, like it is all there. And I

826
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,640
S2: will say too, like, I think this movie picked up

827
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,520
S2: in the second half for me, and there are some

828
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,120
S2: scenes that are so good that they are so gripping,

829
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,360
S2: like the sandworm riding scene, the scene you mentioned earlier

830
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,730
S2: where Austin Butler, who I thought was so good in this,

831
00:37:26,730 --> 00:37:27,360
S2: where Austin.

832
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,580
S1: Yeah, he's not doing the Elvis voice, to be clear.

833
00:37:29,820 --> 00:37:31,469
S4: He's still a very deep voice.

834
00:37:32,130 --> 00:37:35,730
S2: Um, Austin Butler as a bold man, um, was very

835
00:37:35,730 --> 00:37:38,520
S2: good in this. Uh, yeah. The gladiator scene was really good.

836
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,210
S2: I thought that kind of showdown scene between, um, Timothy

837
00:37:42,210 --> 00:37:47,879
S2: Salomé and whoever those people were was. That's how, like,

838
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,190
S2: we've been talking about this film. Those people. I thought

839
00:37:50,190 --> 00:37:51,630
S2: that was a great thing. Yeah. I think all the

840
00:37:51,630 --> 00:37:54,000
S2: individual scenes in this or a lot of the scenes

841
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,300
S2: were really spectacular, both in terms of the tension and

842
00:37:57,300 --> 00:37:59,609
S2: the shots. Um, so I do think I do understand

843
00:37:59,610 --> 00:38:03,029
S2: why people love it, even if they don't know, you know,

844
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:05,790
S2: the complexities of it. But they didn't. They weren't enough

845
00:38:05,790 --> 00:38:06,540
S2: for you, Thomas.

846
00:38:07,050 --> 00:38:08,730
S3: I mean, I'm just like, yeah, some of the scenes

847
00:38:08,730 --> 00:38:10,589
S3: were really good. And I did like that Austin Butler

848
00:38:10,590 --> 00:38:12,570
S3: sequence in black and white. Um, that's where my favorite

849
00:38:12,570 --> 00:38:14,520
S3: part of the whole film. But yeah, like, I just

850
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,590
S3: think when I feel like I need to have the director,

851
00:38:16,590 --> 00:38:18,390
S3: like fucking sitting next to me being like. And then

852
00:38:18,510 --> 00:38:21,390
S3: when this happens, like, this is why, which I don't

853
00:38:21,390 --> 00:38:24,420
S3: normally need. I'm not like, you know, a simpleton. Uh,

854
00:38:24,420 --> 00:38:26,910
S3: I'm just like, well, it takes away from the, you know,

855
00:38:26,910 --> 00:38:29,600
S3: enjoyment of the film for me. And again, like, I

856
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,930
S3: haven't been like part of the June, I guess, like

857
00:38:32,930 --> 00:38:35,330
S3: cultural moment for a long time. So it's hard to

858
00:38:35,330 --> 00:38:37,460
S3: kind of come in and just like throw myself into

859
00:38:37,460 --> 00:38:40,430
S3: the world and fully appreciate it. And, you know, like

860
00:38:40,430 --> 00:38:42,380
S3: literally the biggest thing I knew before this movie is

861
00:38:42,380 --> 00:38:44,420
S3: that everyone is like having sex with the June 2nd

862
00:38:44,420 --> 00:38:45,290
S3: popcorn bucket.

863
00:38:48,410 --> 00:38:50,720
S2: Like, I do feel like, though, and like I feel

864
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,790
S2: like I want, like a quick fire round with Oz

865
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:55,100
S2: of questions because I'm like, because I hadn't seen the

866
00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:56,630
S2: first one in so long. I'm kind of like, what

867
00:38:56,630 --> 00:39:00,710
S2: does Zendaya's people want? Why is she so mad that

868
00:39:00,710 --> 00:39:03,710
S2: Timothee has become a cult figure? Who are the overlords

869
00:39:03,710 --> 00:39:06,980
S2: of this land? What is Timothy's ultimate goal in this? Like,

870
00:39:07,219 --> 00:39:07,489
S2: are you gonna.

871
00:39:07,489 --> 00:39:10,489
S4: Let me answer these questions? This is gonna keep us. Well,

872
00:39:10,489 --> 00:39:11,330
S4: I mean, and look.

873
00:39:11,330 --> 00:39:14,570
S1: And I actually understand what you're saying, Thomas, like, I don't. Yeah.

874
00:39:14,570 --> 00:39:16,370
S1: You're not. You're obviously not as important. A very smart

875
00:39:16,370 --> 00:39:19,130
S1: man who watches a lot of movies. Um, and I

876
00:39:19,130 --> 00:39:21,110
S1: don't think this is like, you're a dummy if you

877
00:39:21,110 --> 00:39:22,970
S1: don't get this movie, though. I was thinking, you know,

878
00:39:22,969 --> 00:39:25,160
S1: at these media screenings, you go to, you see these

879
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,100
S1: influencers who get invited to, like, hype movies up. And

880
00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:32,989
S1: so a lot of just like young, very attractive women,

881
00:39:32,989 --> 00:39:36,680
S1: you know, wearing like, fancy gowns and stuff, taking selfies

882
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,200
S1: and promoting it to their TikTok followers, Instagram followers, more

883
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,870
S1: power to them. And then they'll file in to the movies.

884
00:39:41,870 --> 00:39:44,660
S1: And I'm like, this is like, this is one for

885
00:39:44,660 --> 00:39:46,339
S1: the weirdos like me.

886
00:39:46,340 --> 00:39:46,850
S4: Like what?

887
00:39:46,850 --> 00:39:49,549
S1: What is what is that take on this film? But yeah, yeah.

888
00:39:49,550 --> 00:39:52,669
S1: And like, you know, the cool thing about June and

889
00:39:52,670 --> 00:39:55,850
S1: this prophecy is that there is this, like, religious order

890
00:39:55,850 --> 00:39:58,970
S1: of nuns called the Jesuit, and Paul's mom is one

891
00:39:58,969 --> 00:40:02,450
S1: of them. And they've seeded this prophecy on Arrakis tens

892
00:40:02,450 --> 00:40:05,360
S1: of thousands of years ago. And there's a group of

893
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,759
S1: Fremen who believe in it, and they think that he's

894
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,800
S1: the Mahdi. The Savior is going to save them. And

895
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,870
S1: there's this other group. And I guess that's Zendaya's character

896
00:40:11,870 --> 00:40:14,569
S1: who think this is all bullshit, just planted by these

897
00:40:14,570 --> 00:40:18,830
S1: people to keep them oppressed and compliant. And I guess that,

898
00:40:18,830 --> 00:40:21,200
S1: you know, Frank Herbert didn't make that up. He he's

899
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,610
S1: he's having a, you know, interrogation of religion and these

900
00:40:25,610 --> 00:40:29,420
S1: ideas and how prophecy and scripture can sometimes be salvation

901
00:40:29,420 --> 00:40:32,060
S1: for people, but can also be used to aid in

902
00:40:32,060 --> 00:40:35,570
S1: their own subjugation and oppression. But there's a big, complex themes,

903
00:40:35,570 --> 00:40:37,520
S1: and at no point does anyone really sit you down

904
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,680
S1: and say, this is who the Bennett Gesserit is, this

905
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,260
S1: is how this is working. And then there's divisions between

906
00:40:42,260 --> 00:40:45,080
S1: them as well. So I do understand the complexity. I'm

907
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,210
S1: not trying to just defend it for the sake of it.

908
00:40:47,210 --> 00:40:48,290
S1: It is messy.

909
00:40:48,290 --> 00:40:51,320
S3: No, it is. And I think, you know, especially watching

910
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,510
S3: the first one, like if you could just see my

911
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:56,240
S3: Google history from that, that watch, it was like, who

912
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,690
S3: is being a Jesuit? What is Arkansas or whatever? Like

913
00:40:59,690 --> 00:41:04,219
S3: what is the worm? Who is like, who is Ingram al-Sham? Like.

914
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,680
S2: What is the no is the nose thing so they

915
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,810
S2: can breathe in that? Yeah, that suits.

916
00:41:08,810 --> 00:41:10,730
S1: That. Take the look. And I will say this one

917
00:41:10,730 --> 00:41:13,100
S1: thing as an example of how unhinged these books are. Again,

918
00:41:13,100 --> 00:41:17,359
S1: no spoilers. Uh, again, tune out for the next minute

919
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,180
S1: if you don't want any spoilers about the Dune universe. Okay,

920
00:41:21,180 --> 00:41:25,360
S1: that's your chance. In 10,000 years. In the fifth book, right,

921
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,650
S1: Paul's son has merged with a sandworm to become the

922
00:41:29,650 --> 00:41:32,710
S1: God Emperor of June. That's how crazy these books get.

923
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:33,880
S4: If they make these movie.

924
00:41:34,090 --> 00:41:34,900
S9: I don't, I don't know.

925
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,610
S1: I don't know how people are going to react to

926
00:41:36,610 --> 00:41:38,950
S1: that sort of stuff, but I think this is like

927
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:43,570
S1: Non-spoiler territory. I think why another reason why I enjoyed

928
00:41:43,570 --> 00:41:47,650
S1: this film. Despite that, it might be a bit complicated

929
00:41:47,650 --> 00:41:50,170
S1: for people. I use this term a lot, like directors

930
00:41:50,170 --> 00:41:53,259
S1: taking a big swing. I do like that this. This

931
00:41:53,260 --> 00:41:56,590
S1: is such a complicated and meaty story with all those

932
00:41:56,590 --> 00:41:59,650
S1: things I was talking about around colonisation, around resource exploitation,

933
00:41:59,650 --> 00:42:03,250
S1: around religion, around family tension, politics, all this sort of stuff,

934
00:42:03,370 --> 00:42:08,440
S1: and just trying to make it a film with that complexity,

935
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,109
S1: not stripping it down to just goodies versus baddies. Like

936
00:42:11,110 --> 00:42:14,709
S1: there's a whole arc that that Paul Timothy character goes

937
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:17,440
S1: on where he's a reluctant hero, then he kind of

938
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:18,670
S1: gets into it, and then by the end of it,

939
00:42:18,670 --> 00:42:21,339
S1: you're kind of thinking, is he really the good guy here?

940
00:42:21,340 --> 00:42:23,020
S1: Has he lost sight of what he said he wanted

941
00:42:23,020 --> 00:42:26,620
S1: to do? That's a pretty complicated hero structure, and I

942
00:42:26,620 --> 00:42:28,390
S1: like that they're grappling with that.

943
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:30,430
S2: Yeah, and I do like to that he didn't shy

944
00:42:30,430 --> 00:42:33,759
S2: away from making a movie that would appeal to the fans,

945
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,190
S2: as well as attempting to appeal to the the normies

946
00:42:36,190 --> 00:42:38,200
S2: as you, as you call us like it is hard

947
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,509
S2: when you take something that is so beloved by fans

948
00:42:40,510 --> 00:42:42,790
S2: to make it into a film. I do think one

949
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:45,040
S2: of the issues I had with the film was, I

950
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,440
S2: feel like Hollywood has this real thing at the moment

951
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,739
S2: with like an ensemble cast which has like the hottest,

952
00:42:50,739 --> 00:42:53,529
S2: biggest names and putting them all into one film and

953
00:42:53,530 --> 00:42:56,830
S2: then kind of wasting them like, uh, Florence Pugh, I

954
00:42:56,830 --> 00:42:58,990
S2: didn't think had like a huge role. I thought she

955
00:42:58,989 --> 00:43:00,520
S2: could have had a much bigger role. I would have

956
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,650
S2: liked to see her more. I thought Anya Taylor-Joy was

957
00:43:02,650 --> 00:43:05,230
S2: going to be in this, but like, obviously they're flagging

958
00:43:05,230 --> 00:43:06,940
S2: her for a potential June. Yeah, I.

959
00:43:06,940 --> 00:43:07,690
S4: Think Florence Pugh.

960
00:43:07,690 --> 00:43:09,640
S1: And Anya Taylor-Joy, it's kind of what happened with Zendaya

961
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,590
S1: in the first one is you're going to be teased,

962
00:43:11,590 --> 00:43:12,670
S1: and then you're going to have a big role in

963
00:43:12,670 --> 00:43:15,340
S1: the next one. And we should say that Denise basically

964
00:43:15,340 --> 00:43:16,839
S1: said that there will be a third one. He's writing

965
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,210
S1: the script now, and if that follows the structure of

966
00:43:19,210 --> 00:43:22,780
S1: the next book, Florence Pugh's character and Anya Taylor-Joy, his character,

967
00:43:22,780 --> 00:43:25,840
S1: will have a lot more to do in it as well. Thomas,

968
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,240
S1: you probably won't be along for that ride unless I

969
00:43:28,270 --> 00:43:30,880
S1: we saw podcasting in 5 to 6 years or whenever

970
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,470
S1: it comes out, and I make you do it. Yeah.

971
00:43:32,500 --> 00:43:34,120
S3: No, uh, I'll be sick that day.

972
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:34,510
S4: I don't think.

973
00:43:34,510 --> 00:43:36,310
S2: Security is letting you into the cinema.

974
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:37,570
S4: Yes. Yeah, exactly.

975
00:43:37,570 --> 00:43:39,760
S3: I might be in jail for having filmed Dune two

976
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:40,900
S3: illegally on my iPhone.

977
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:42,879
S2: Because you want to watch it again and again. Yeah.

978
00:43:42,910 --> 00:43:43,330
S4: Correct.

979
00:43:43,570 --> 00:43:45,819
S1: Well, I wonder whether this is a good point to

980
00:43:45,820 --> 00:43:49,630
S1: talk about the kind of filmography of Denis Villeneuve, the director,

981
00:43:49,630 --> 00:43:52,810
S1: a little bit more, because as we were talking through

982
00:43:52,810 --> 00:43:56,620
S1: the movie and talking about this complexity and the lack

983
00:43:56,620 --> 00:43:58,660
S1: of like a clear binary in terms of who's good

984
00:43:58,660 --> 00:44:00,730
S1: and who's bad. It kind of did make me think

985
00:44:00,730 --> 00:44:03,040
S1: about a lot of his work, like he deals with

986
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,950
S1: that moral ambiguity a fair bit. Some of my favorite

987
00:44:05,950 --> 00:44:09,549
S1: movies of his Sicario, arrival, prisoners. I've been trying to

988
00:44:09,550 --> 00:44:12,279
S1: rewatch as much of them as possible, leading into this

989
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:13,870
S1: week to see if there are any, any kind of

990
00:44:13,870 --> 00:44:17,560
S1: clues for the way that, you know, Danny approaches film

991
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,719
S1: and story and what what he's done with June 2nd.

992
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,029
S1: And I think I think that's the clearest one, like

993
00:44:22,030 --> 00:44:25,060
S1: Sicario is a film that is ostensibly about, you know,

994
00:44:25,060 --> 00:44:28,270
S1: Emily Blunt and Josh Brolin trying to disrupt the the

995
00:44:28,270 --> 00:44:32,710
S1: drug trade from Mexico into into America. But by the

996
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:34,779
S1: end of the movie, you're like, who are the bad

997
00:44:34,780 --> 00:44:37,839
S1: guys here? Like, is the CIA and the US government

998
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,390
S1: really the heroes trying to stop this happening, or are

999
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:43,839
S1: they complicit in it or they're responsible for extrajudicial killings?

1000
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,850
S1: There's a lot going on their arrival as well. Sort

1001
00:44:45,850 --> 00:44:48,969
S1: of seems like a sci fi story at the front.

1002
00:44:48,969 --> 00:44:51,910
S1: It's the Amy Adams, uh, film where she is is

1003
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:55,000
S1: a translator or a linguist who is brought in to

1004
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,790
S1: help decipher what aliens are up to. And that movie

1005
00:44:57,790 --> 00:45:01,480
S1: ends up being about, like, her trauma of losing a child. Um,

1006
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:05,140
S1: you know, prisoners seems like it's this thriller about a

1007
00:45:05,140 --> 00:45:08,469
S1: cop and a dad trying to get his abducted daughter back.

1008
00:45:08,469 --> 00:45:12,280
S1: But is it actually a war on terror analogy about

1009
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,239
S1: how bad torture is? Yeah, probably. Like Villeneuve is an

1010
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,690
S1: interesting choice for a movie like Dune, because it's not

1011
00:45:19,690 --> 00:45:24,880
S1: a straightforward sci fi action thing. It is very complicated

1012
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,400
S1: with characters who are not quite sure if they're good

1013
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,240
S1: or bad. Do you guys have a relationship to his

1014
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,490
S1: films generally? Do you have faves?

1015
00:45:34,090 --> 00:45:37,090
S3: I really love prisoners. We spoke about it recently, Oseman

1016
00:45:37,090 --> 00:45:39,430
S3: and again, I mean, similarly, I guess like on a

1017
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:42,009
S3: less intense scale, but that very much deals with, you know,

1018
00:45:42,010 --> 00:45:44,650
S3: this obviously it's about two girls who go missing. Um,

1019
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,290
S3: it's got Hugh Jackman, uh, probably one of his best films,

1020
00:45:47,290 --> 00:45:50,109
S3: and Jake Gyllenhaal, um, also Paul Dano, who's great, and

1021
00:45:50,110 --> 00:45:52,480
S3: Viola Davis, but it's basically about these two kids who

1022
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,089
S3: go missing. And then, you know, the dad, Hugh Jackman,

1023
00:45:55,090 --> 00:45:58,000
S3: kind of becomes obsessed with the case to find his daughters. And,

1024
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,700
S3: you know, we enter this very kind of like vigilante

1025
00:46:00,700 --> 00:46:04,120
S3: justice mode and his the lengths he goes to in

1026
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,610
S3: order to solve the case in a way he thinks

1027
00:46:06,610 --> 00:46:08,529
S3: is appropriate. It really makes you question like, is he

1028
00:46:08,530 --> 00:46:10,270
S3: doing the right thing? And has he lost his mind?

1029
00:46:10,270 --> 00:46:13,359
S3: And and it does enter into that moral into that

1030
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,150
S3: moral ambiguity. But I love that movie, whereas I didn't

1031
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:19,090
S3: like June 2nd. Um, but you know that and Sicario

1032
00:46:19,090 --> 00:46:21,250
S3: and then Blade Runner because so funnily enough, after all this.

1033
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:22,120
S1: Yeah, I left that Blade Runner at.

1034
00:46:22,410 --> 00:46:25,230
S3: 49. 849 so like in school, which I think is

1035
00:46:25,230 --> 00:46:26,819
S3: the case for a lot of people, I think June

1036
00:46:26,820 --> 00:46:29,400
S3: is on the syllabus in Australia for a lot of schools,

1037
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,819
S3: whereas I was in blade like I did Blade Runner,

1038
00:46:32,820 --> 00:46:34,920
S3: Brave New World, very similar themes and have like a

1039
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,860
S3: real relationship with Blade Runner. So I loved the new film.

1040
00:46:38,250 --> 00:46:41,489
S2: Um, yeah, I kind of agree. I like the thrillers better.

1041
00:46:41,489 --> 00:46:44,820
S2: I don't know, I feel like with The Rival and

1042
00:46:44,820 --> 00:46:48,030
S2: Blade Runner, both fantastic concepts and the world of Blade

1043
00:46:48,030 --> 00:46:50,819
S2: Runner is incredible. The shots and all of that was incredible.

1044
00:46:50,820 --> 00:46:53,880
S2: But I don't know, his films just don't get me

1045
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,839
S2: intellectually or emotionally. I don't think like the thrillers are

1046
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,609
S2: like great thrillers to watch. Have you on the edge

1047
00:46:59,610 --> 00:47:02,100
S2: of the seats, but the way you just spoke about

1048
00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:05,669
S2: kind of a Rival and Blade Runner makes me think like,

1049
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:07,560
S2: I don't know, maybe I'm just not. I'm missing something

1050
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,660
S2: with these films. Like they're not resonating with me in

1051
00:47:09,660 --> 00:47:11,549
S2: the same way. And I do feel like he's really

1052
00:47:11,550 --> 00:47:14,850
S2: good at creating a moment and tenseness. But to me,

1053
00:47:14,850 --> 00:47:17,490
S2: I don't see that kind of bigger depth to them.

1054
00:47:17,489 --> 00:47:19,410
S2: Like they're very pretty to look at. They're very great

1055
00:47:19,410 --> 00:47:21,540
S2: to watch. But yeah, I don't really think about them

1056
00:47:21,540 --> 00:47:23,100
S2: much after. And they don't stick with me and I

1057
00:47:23,100 --> 00:47:25,230
S2: don't want to go back and rewatch them particularly.

1058
00:47:25,230 --> 00:47:27,150
S1: I think that I think that's a normal reaction also.

1059
00:47:27,150 --> 00:47:29,700
S1: I mean, like, I think they're pretty cold movies, but

1060
00:47:29,700 --> 00:47:31,980
S1: but also, that said, I was going to say that

1061
00:47:31,980 --> 00:47:35,670
S1: if you are interested in Disney's films and you've watched

1062
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:37,859
S1: Dune and you're kind of interested in and maybe some

1063
00:47:38,130 --> 00:47:40,590
S1: puzzle pieces that help him get there, a lot of

1064
00:47:40,590 --> 00:47:44,280
S1: his earlier filmography is a lot more focused on, I guess,

1065
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,730
S1: like relationships and people. And there's one in particular, Incendies,

1066
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:51,120
S1: which is a 2010 film from him about the Lebanese

1067
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,060
S1: civil War. And I think it's based on a play

1068
00:47:54,060 --> 00:47:57,060
S1: that he saw in Montreal. And it's about, I guess,

1069
00:47:57,060 --> 00:48:00,000
S1: like religious sectarianism, kind of like June to us as well.

1070
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,219
S1: But it's about a family. It's about a mum who

1071
00:48:02,219 --> 00:48:04,710
S1: passes away and leaves her daughters these letters, and they've

1072
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:07,050
S1: got to go back to Lebanon, from from Canada and

1073
00:48:07,050 --> 00:48:09,960
S1: kind of figure out her life story. It's quite different

1074
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,410
S1: to a lot of his, I guess, more formal, steely

1075
00:48:13,410 --> 00:48:17,969
S1: sci fi work is interesting director with that kind of range,

1076
00:48:17,969 --> 00:48:20,279
S1: I think. But I think what you're saying, Mel, is,

1077
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,950
S1: is okay. I don't think like the text or the

1078
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:27,149
S1: subtext in these movies is not like, I don't think

1079
00:48:27,150 --> 00:48:28,799
S1: you could look at any these movies like, oh, this

1080
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,830
S1: is about like communism or this is about whatever. Yeah.

1081
00:48:31,830 --> 00:48:34,710
S1: They're not, as I think, meant to be taken literally

1082
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:38,580
S1: about a particular idea as some of the director's works

1083
00:48:38,580 --> 00:48:39,150
S1: might be.

1084
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,990
S2: Yeah, I understand what you're saying. And that ambiguity can

1085
00:48:42,989 --> 00:48:45,840
S2: be kind of obviously a powerful tool for a filmmaker.

1086
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,810
S2: But in something like Dune Part two, I thought it

1087
00:48:48,810 --> 00:48:52,110
S2: was ambiguous to the point where the filmmaker really wasn't

1088
00:48:52,110 --> 00:48:55,739
S2: offering a huge message, but was completely relying on the

1089
00:48:55,739 --> 00:48:59,250
S2: audience to bring their message to it. Like, I think

1090
00:48:59,250 --> 00:49:02,969
S2: that the work that you've done in deciphering that film

1091
00:49:02,969 --> 00:49:05,520
S2: is not really there in the film to everyone. Like,

1092
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,160
S2: I think you've done that work because of your reading

1093
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,709
S2: and your knowledge and your interpretation of the world more

1094
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:13,169
S2: so than it being in that film.

1095
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:14,759
S1: Yeah, I think that makes sense.

1096
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,500
S3: Did you like it better than the first one? Like,

1097
00:49:16,500 --> 00:49:18,660
S3: what did you think in terms of, you know, how

1098
00:49:18,660 --> 00:49:19,860
S3: they interact?

1099
00:49:19,860 --> 00:49:21,450
S1: Yeah, I did like it better than the first one

1100
00:49:21,450 --> 00:49:25,410
S1: because I think the the arc that that pulls character

1101
00:49:25,410 --> 00:49:28,620
S1: goes on throughout all of the books, but particularly in

1102
00:49:28,620 --> 00:49:31,140
S1: this sort of first story. And this movie, part one

1103
00:49:31,140 --> 00:49:33,210
S1: and part two are just based on the first book

1104
00:49:33,210 --> 00:49:37,680
S1: is really interesting, is really I think it's fascinating. And

1105
00:49:37,770 --> 00:49:41,940
S1: generally speaking, I thought the action sequences and the world

1106
00:49:41,940 --> 00:49:44,580
S1: building in this film was more impressive than the first one.

1107
00:49:44,580 --> 00:49:48,600
S1: The first one had great set pieces, had great set design, production,

1108
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,370
S1: all that sort of stuff. But I just think he

1109
00:49:50,370 --> 00:49:52,320
S1: went to another level in this, like some of those

1110
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:56,160
S1: fight sequences, just things I'd never seen before in a movie,

1111
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,620
S1: the way that the Harkonnen are kind of floating up

1112
00:49:58,620 --> 00:50:01,770
S1: to that mountain and that battle with the rocket propelled

1113
00:50:01,770 --> 00:50:05,279
S1: grenade launcher, that kind of guerilla fighting style in space,

1114
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,250
S1: it was reminiscent of some of the Star Wars like

1115
00:50:08,250 --> 00:50:11,399
S1: sequel movies, but just done in a much more, I think,

1116
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,240
S1: visceral and real gritty kind of way.

1117
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,669
S2: Yeah, I think that's definitely fair. Are you surprised and

1118
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:20,010
S2: or disappointed by our response to the film?

1119
00:50:20,730 --> 00:50:23,880
S1: Not not so much, because honestly, when I finished the movie,

1120
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,370
S1: the first thing I thought was like, if you're not

1121
00:50:26,370 --> 00:50:28,739
S1: deep on this, like me, what the fuck did you

1122
00:50:28,739 --> 00:50:29,430
S1: think happened?

1123
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:31,170
S4: Right? Like it is?

1124
00:50:31,170 --> 00:50:33,359
S1: I genuinely think that. And so I'm kind of almost

1125
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,510
S1: more surprised by the people who aren't in and are

1126
00:50:36,510 --> 00:50:40,170
S1: just like, that was sick. Uh, I think that crazy.

1127
00:50:40,170 --> 00:50:42,210
S1: But I'm happy for them. I'm happy they had a

1128
00:50:42,210 --> 00:50:44,640
S1: good time doing it. And I'm so interested because this

1129
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,890
S1: is a big film, cost a lot of money, has

1130
00:50:46,890 --> 00:50:51,330
S1: a huge marketing budget, like there are trailers and ads

1131
00:50:51,330 --> 00:50:54,690
S1: and posters for this everywhere. They're banking on it being

1132
00:50:54,690 --> 00:50:57,000
S1: one of the biggest releases of the year. It's like

1133
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,940
S1: between this and probably Deadpool versus Wolverine for what wins

1134
00:50:59,940 --> 00:51:03,719
S1: the box office in 2024. But based on what we've

1135
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,299
S1: talked about, like, it could not it might not pay off.

1136
00:51:06,300 --> 00:51:08,310
S1: People might just say, I went to the big movie

1137
00:51:08,310 --> 00:51:10,200
S1: with Timothee and Zendaya and had no idea what was

1138
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,989
S1: going on. There was weed, blue liquid and weed worms

1139
00:51:12,989 --> 00:51:16,739
S1: with weed mouths and a talking fetus. What the hell

1140
00:51:16,739 --> 00:51:19,500
S1: is this film? So I'm fascinated to see what this

1141
00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:20,700
S1: does at the box office.

1142
00:51:20,700 --> 00:51:23,010
S3: Yeah, I know, me too, because. That's basically exactly how

1143
00:51:23,010 --> 00:51:24,420
S3: I felt. I was like, it's so weird that this

1144
00:51:24,420 --> 00:51:28,320
S3: is the big one for the year, this absolutely batshit crazy.

1145
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,540
S2: Film compared to what won the box office last year,

1146
00:51:30,540 --> 00:51:34,200
S2: like Barbie, which was so approachable to absolutely everyone. Well,

1147
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:34,380
S2: this is.

1148
00:51:34,380 --> 00:51:37,500
S3: The other thing I was thinking, like, you know, I

1149
00:51:37,500 --> 00:51:40,260
S3: love to. Obviously I love the 90 minute film, but

1150
00:51:40,469 --> 00:51:42,570
S3: like even Oppenheimer, the biggest film of last year, it's

1151
00:51:42,570 --> 00:51:46,950
S3: about to like win, probably like ten Oscars next week. Um,

1152
00:51:47,460 --> 00:51:49,680
S3: it's basically a lock for Best Picture. There's never been

1153
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,450
S3: a sports bets paying like a dollar for. It's like

1154
00:51:51,450 --> 00:51:55,290
S3: it's winning best Picture. It went for three hours and

1155
00:51:55,290 --> 00:51:58,080
S3: everyone loved it and it was amazing. And it was

1156
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,259
S3: still a visually beautiful film, but it still had like

1157
00:52:01,260 --> 00:52:04,170
S3: plot and lots of dialogue. And it was interesting, like,

1158
00:52:04,170 --> 00:52:06,899
S3: can Danny not write some more fucking lines? Like, there's

1159
00:52:06,900 --> 00:52:08,700
S3: like seven lines in this movie?

1160
00:52:08,850 --> 00:52:10,860
S1: Yeah, he did have that quote, which I think is

1161
00:52:10,860 --> 00:52:13,650
S1: going around on social media this week about how he

1162
00:52:13,650 --> 00:52:18,330
S1: thinks that dialogue is for TV and film is for visuals. Look,

1163
00:52:18,330 --> 00:52:20,250
S1: I think he's probably being a bit simplistic. I don't

1164
00:52:20,250 --> 00:52:23,609
S1: think he really hates dialogue, like there is some dialogue

1165
00:52:23,610 --> 00:52:25,589
S1: in his movies, but I think he's making the point

1166
00:52:25,590 --> 00:52:27,480
S1: that in this era where everything is collapsing in and

1167
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,270
S1: of itself in terms of TV and prestige and movies

1168
00:52:30,270 --> 00:52:34,500
S1: and streaming, that what film can do, particularly this maximalist

1169
00:52:34,500 --> 00:52:38,310
S1: film style on Imax, is just blow you away with visuals.

1170
00:52:38,310 --> 00:52:43,200
S1: He's clearly saying that matters more than the story or

1171
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,060
S1: the conversations people are having, right?

1172
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:47,370
S3: Yeah, because, I mean, there is no story and there's

1173
00:52:47,370 --> 00:52:49,950
S3: no conversation. So you'd really hope the visuals are great.

1174
00:52:50,489 --> 00:52:53,550
S2: Can I ask one final question? I was like, gonna cry?

1175
00:52:54,570 --> 00:52:55,830
S1: No, I'm just keeping an eye on at the time.

1176
00:52:57,330 --> 00:52:59,670
S2: Um, one final question. You have always had it out

1177
00:52:59,670 --> 00:53:03,299
S2: for Timothee Chalamet, particularly since he coupled up with Kylie. Um,

1178
00:53:03,300 --> 00:53:06,330
S2: we know your thoughts about feelings about that watching this film.

1179
00:53:06,330 --> 00:53:09,330
S2: Did it change how you feel about Timothee as a man,

1180
00:53:09,330 --> 00:53:12,060
S2: as an actor, as a life partner for Kylie?

1181
00:53:12,330 --> 00:53:13,920
S3: No, he's actually pretty good in this. I'll give it

1182
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,420
S3: to him. He is good in this. I think it's

1183
00:53:15,420 --> 00:53:17,489
S3: funny that the whole movie and all this big dramatic

1184
00:53:17,489 --> 00:53:19,530
S3: like stuff is happening about a guy named Paul.

1185
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,310
S4: That struck me so funny.

1186
00:53:23,310 --> 00:53:25,140
S1: Some of the names are hilarious, like his best mate

1187
00:53:25,140 --> 00:53:27,450
S1: in the first movie is a guy called Duncan Idaho,

1188
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:28,440
S1: which is a crazy name.

1189
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:31,380
S3: Yeah, it's like, you know, he's Liz and Gabe and like,

1190
00:53:31,380 --> 00:53:33,509
S3: all these amazing names and it's like, oh, what's Paul doing?

1191
00:53:33,900 --> 00:53:34,920
S4: Where's the Messiah? Paul?

1192
00:53:35,310 --> 00:53:38,130
S3: But no credit where credit's due. Timothy is good. And yeah,

1193
00:53:38,130 --> 00:53:39,839
S3: everyone go and see Dune two and then realize that

1194
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:40,920
S3: once again, I am correct.

1195
00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:44,310
S1: Look, you mentioned the Oscars before. Thomas. We will be

1196
00:53:44,310 --> 00:53:52,560
S1: back next week with our proper Oscar film sort of breakdown, recommendations, previews, suggestions, guesses,

1197
00:53:52,590 --> 00:53:56,490
S1: Oscar chat. But right now, let's pivot to our weekly

1198
00:53:56,489 --> 00:54:00,480
S1: segment Impress your Friends. Will we recommend something we consumed? Watch.

1199
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,840
S1: Listen to read that we think you guys would get around? Mel,

1200
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:05,400
S1: I'm going to let you go first this time.

1201
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,459
S2: Yeah, cool. Well, I actually already had my recommendation because

1202
00:54:08,460 --> 00:54:10,710
S2: I didn't use it last week because I had to

1203
00:54:10,710 --> 00:54:14,010
S2: kind of adjust to impress you. Okay, this won't surprise you,

1204
00:54:14,010 --> 00:54:16,170
S2: but it is a book. Um. Is it.

1205
00:54:16,170 --> 00:54:17,160
S4: June? Okay.

1206
00:54:18,780 --> 00:54:21,150
S2: Yeah. There we go. That's one way to to kind

1207
00:54:21,150 --> 00:54:22,200
S2: of win the Rex.

1208
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:23,040
S4: I'm impressed.

1209
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,200
S2: This one is Emma Clines. It's called The Guest. You

1210
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,239
S2: might know her. She wrote the book the girls in

1211
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,759
S2: in a few years ago. It was a huge, big hit.

1212
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,340
S2: And it was kind of based on the Charles Manson murders.

1213
00:54:32,340 --> 00:54:35,609
S2: This one is like a really readable kind of on

1214
00:54:35,610 --> 00:54:38,730
S2: the edge of your seat gripping psychological thriller, but is

1215
00:54:38,730 --> 00:54:41,730
S2: doing something different with the genre as well. Like, it's

1216
00:54:41,730 --> 00:54:44,910
S2: not kind of just your stock standard thriller. It's about

1217
00:54:44,910 --> 00:54:48,660
S2: a young woman called Alex. Um, she's an escort. She's

1218
00:54:48,660 --> 00:54:50,969
S2: behind on her rent. She's struggling. In New York, she

1219
00:54:50,969 --> 00:54:53,400
S2: meets an older man who kind of takes it to

1220
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,250
S2: the Hamptons and almost keeps her there. They have a

1221
00:54:56,250 --> 00:54:59,160
S2: falling out and she has nowhere to go, no money.

1222
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,580
S2: And so it follows in real time her movements over

1223
00:55:02,580 --> 00:55:05,339
S2: the next five days. She kind of schemes to win

1224
00:55:05,340 --> 00:55:08,219
S2: this older man back into her favor. And it is

1225
00:55:08,219 --> 00:55:11,489
S2: just really compulsive reading and as well as being kind

1226
00:55:11,489 --> 00:55:13,680
S2: of and it puts you right in the moment. So

1227
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,720
S2: it's just such a page turner. I think I read

1228
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,420
S2: it in a few hours. Um, but it's also a

1229
00:55:18,420 --> 00:55:21,900
S2: real interesting character study as well. So it kind of balances,

1230
00:55:21,900 --> 00:55:25,500
S2: unlike June, the readability with the kind of tension of

1231
00:55:25,500 --> 00:55:27,839
S2: it all. Um, yeah. Good read, I think. I think

1232
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:28,740
S2: you'd like it. Thomas.

1233
00:55:28,739 --> 00:55:31,980
S3: Yeah. No, I've seen it a lot around, and I

1234
00:55:31,980 --> 00:55:33,180
S3: feel like it is another one of those kind of

1235
00:55:33,180 --> 00:55:36,840
S3: like Insta pics. Um, so I've been like, it's been

1236
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:38,430
S3: on my TBR, as they say.

1237
00:55:38,430 --> 00:55:40,110
S2: Yeah, yeah, I feel like it would probably Reese would

1238
00:55:40,110 --> 00:55:41,790
S2: be picking this for a book club kind of thing.

1239
00:55:41,790 --> 00:55:42,330
S4: Exactly.

1240
00:55:42,330 --> 00:55:43,650
S1: What have you got for us, Thomas?

1241
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,710
S3: Uh, my one is, uh, Amazon Prime documentary. It's actually

1242
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:49,740
S3: out today. Um, it's about, you know, one of our phase,

1243
00:55:49,739 --> 00:55:52,050
S3: one of my faves, at least. Uh, the kid Laroi, uh,

1244
00:55:52,050 --> 00:55:54,300
S3: the kid from Waterloo, uh, on top of the world,

1245
00:55:54,300 --> 00:55:56,399
S3: this is an Amazon Prime documentary that's been, you know,

1246
00:55:56,550 --> 00:55:58,500
S3: kind of hyped for a little while. It's called Kids

1247
00:55:58,500 --> 00:56:00,839
S3: Are Growing Up, a story about a kid named Leroy.

1248
00:56:00,870 --> 00:56:04,500
S3: And basically it charts his what is actually a pretty

1249
00:56:04,500 --> 00:56:07,920
S3: crazy rise to fame. It kind of starts in 2019,

1250
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,890
S3: which is only a few years ago, really like 4

1251
00:56:09,890 --> 00:56:12,479
S3: or 5 years ago. Obviously, we all know how big

1252
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,969
S3: the kid Leroy is now. Um, but this really takes

1253
00:56:14,969 --> 00:56:18,240
S3: us back to like, this 15, 14 year old kid

1254
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,720
S3: in the streets of Waterloo, like, really hustling to get himself.

1255
00:56:21,980 --> 00:56:24,830
S3: Into the rap game by any means possible. Aside from

1256
00:56:24,830 --> 00:56:27,290
S3: being just like, you know, this hero worship for Kid Leroy, though,

1257
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:28,640
S3: there was stuff I was really interested in that I

1258
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,620
S3: think is worth watching. You know, he famously had a

1259
00:56:30,620 --> 00:56:33,530
S3: friendship with the rapper Juice World, who died in front

1260
00:56:33,530 --> 00:56:36,170
S3: of him, and it talks for the first time, really.

1261
00:56:36,170 --> 00:56:37,969
S3: You see kids really talking about how that impacts him

1262
00:56:37,969 --> 00:56:40,400
S3: and what actually happened as well as, you know, a

1263
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,400
S3: very profitable and famous friendship with Justin Bieber. But my

1264
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,080
S3: biggest takeaway, and the reason I think you should watch

1265
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,260
S3: it is that he's actually like a pretty self-aware, like,

1266
00:56:48,260 --> 00:56:52,610
S3: interesting young kid. He's smart, he's anxious, he's nervous. He's

1267
00:56:52,610 --> 00:56:54,620
S3: everything you would expect him to be, but he's actually

1268
00:56:54,620 --> 00:56:57,650
S3: quite open about it. So I went in thinking I

1269
00:56:57,650 --> 00:56:59,150
S3: role and I actually really enjoyed it. So that is

1270
00:56:59,150 --> 00:57:00,230
S3: on Amazon Prime now.

1271
00:57:00,260 --> 00:57:03,739
S1: Nice one. Mine is a brand new TV show that

1272
00:57:03,739 --> 00:57:07,730
S1: just dropped this week. It's called Shogun. It's made by uh,

1273
00:57:07,730 --> 00:57:10,069
S1: it's airing here in Australia on Disney Plus. It's an

1274
00:57:10,070 --> 00:57:13,580
S1: adaptation of a 1975 novel that was first turned into

1275
00:57:13,580 --> 00:57:15,950
S1: a TV show in the 80s. Actually, it's set in

1276
00:57:15,950 --> 00:57:20,360
S1: 1600s Japan, a period when Japan's primary link to Europe

1277
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:25,400
S1: was through trade with specifically Portuguese Catholics. That's important to

1278
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,530
S1: the plot of the story. Uh, it opens with the

1279
00:57:27,530 --> 00:57:31,160
S1: shipwreck of some English Protestants in Japan, and we follow

1280
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:32,570
S1: them as they arrive and try and figure out what

1281
00:57:32,570 --> 00:57:35,660
S1: the hell is going on in this foreign country to them.

1282
00:57:35,660 --> 00:57:38,030
S1: But a lot of the show focuses on this political

1283
00:57:38,030 --> 00:57:41,630
S1: intrigue between rival feudal lords in Japan. And the key

1284
00:57:41,660 --> 00:57:44,840
S1: one is played by Hiroyuki Sanada, who people might recognize

1285
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:48,950
S1: from The Last Samurai or Sunshine or John Wick Chapter four.

1286
00:57:48,980 --> 00:57:51,830
S1: This show rules. I think it's gonna blow up. Uh,

1287
00:57:51,830 --> 00:57:55,040
S1: it's like very Game of Thrones meets, like, I don't

1288
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:56,870
S1: know if you've seen Blue Eyed Samurai on Netflix or.

1289
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:59,900
S1: Or The Last Samurai. It's really, really good. Like really

1290
00:57:59,900 --> 00:58:04,340
S1: well written, great intrigue, great, like weird Christian sectarianism stuff.

1291
00:58:04,340 --> 00:58:07,160
S1: A lot of fascinating history about Japan that I did

1292
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,260
S1: not know about. I think this is one that we

1293
00:58:09,260 --> 00:58:11,180
S1: should keep an eye on, maybe talk about in a

1294
00:58:11,180 --> 00:58:13,730
S1: bit more depth in the next couple of weeks. There's

1295
00:58:13,730 --> 00:58:15,950
S1: a chance it becomes a very, very big deal. It's

1296
00:58:15,950 --> 00:58:19,550
S1: getting great reviews and, uh, it is it's got all the,

1297
00:58:19,700 --> 00:58:22,370
S1: I guess, all the pieces to, to to be a

1298
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,750
S1: viral sort of TV streaming success. So could not recommend

1299
00:58:26,750 --> 00:58:27,860
S1: that more. You guys should check it out.

1300
00:58:27,860 --> 00:58:29,270
S2: I'm very excited to see this one.

1301
00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:30,770
S3: Are there any sandworms in it?

1302
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,980
S1: Not yet, but only the first two episodes have dropped,

1303
00:58:33,980 --> 00:58:35,930
S1: so you never know. You know there is some sand

1304
00:58:35,930 --> 00:58:37,970
S1: in the first episode. The key scene involving sand.

1305
00:58:37,970 --> 00:58:39,830
S4: Actually. We're out. Perfect. Yeah. That's me.

1306
00:58:40,790 --> 00:58:43,070
S1: Uh, look, guys, I'm sorry for forcing you to watch

1307
00:58:43,070 --> 00:58:47,240
S1: Dune Part two, but I hope it wasn't entirely futile.

1308
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,220
S3: No, I really enjoyed it. Great film.

1309
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,270
S1: Uh, take care, guys. See you next week.

1310
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:53,540
S4: Thanks.

1311
00:59:00,940 --> 00:59:04,210
S1: This episode of The Drop was produced by Margaret Gordon.

1312
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,940
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1313
00:59:06,940 --> 00:59:09,730
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1314
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