Speaker 1: This onto GB four, BC and network stations. This is
Speaker 1: Wake Up Ostrodia with Pill O'Neill.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Here we are crawling on our hands and knees wrapped
Speaker 3: around at Doner towards the weekend. Certainly need it. In
Speaker 3: Sydney this morning six degrees as I ventured the four
Speaker 3: feels like three degrees, although Wayne in castle Hill said, Phil,
Speaker 3: it's minus two in Gunda guy right now, so it
Speaker 3: would feel even colder. Here we are Thursday morning, nineteenth
Speaker 3: of June, and it is seven minutes past four. Luke
Speaker 3: Bona's going to join us in half now. He's been
Speaker 3: on holiday. It's the Boner Report. He'll take your calls.
Speaker 3: He's got some interesting things to talk about. Lots to
Speaker 3: get to before we get in that direction. Let's how
Speaker 3: I look at the front page of the newspapers, and
Speaker 3: on the front page of most of the papers it's
Speaker 3: the Victorious Blues as well. Oh oing, and sorry I've
Speaker 3: got the wrong paper there. It is Victorious Queensland. So
Speaker 3: that's the update here, hammer blow for the Brave Blues,
Speaker 3: New South Wales and Queensland all square in the state
Speaker 3: of origin. But there's a nice couple of photos of
Speaker 3: the Blues, although looking quite dejected. No, it's all about Queensland,
Speaker 3: isn't it really? The big survivors. The front page of
Speaker 3: the Australian have the Queensland victorious players on the front
Speaker 3: there and some news about what's going on with Jim
Speaker 3: Charmers in his moment of truth. This story in The Australian.
Speaker 3: Jim Charmers has declared tax reforms is needed and will
Speaker 3: be needed to fund growing spending on defense and the
Speaker 3: care economy, while warning that the traditional revenue streams will
Speaker 3: be threatened by the net zero transmission as he left
Speaker 3: the door open to raising the GST, increasing levees on
Speaker 3: resources and charging electric car drivers for using the roads.
Speaker 3: Front page of the Australia front page, Sidney Morning Herald.
Speaker 3: So there's more Game two of the State of Origin
Speaker 3: hammer Blow to the Brave Blues Queensland twenty six, New
Speaker 3: South Wales twenty four. Well it's a good game though,
Speaker 3: wasn't it close? One of the best origin games I
Speaker 3: think for a while. And also on the front page
Speaker 3: of the Sydney Morning Herald this story that the US
Speaker 3: President Donald Trump has demanded unconditional surrender from Iran as
Speaker 3: it conflicts continue with Israel, and that escalates and tensions
Speaker 3: grow within the Republican Party about whether the world's most
Speaker 3: powerful military should become directly involved and yet another Middle
Speaker 3: East theater of war. Trump Camp split over of Ryan's
Speaker 3: the headline there front page of the Age in Melbourne. Well,
Speaker 3: there's nothing there about the state of origin. It's all
Speaker 3: about the return of the Big v That's what you
Speaker 3: can find there from the sports contribution to the world
Speaker 3: and to Australia from the and the story is about
Speaker 3: the Patterson isolated and worried lawyer story. This is about
Speaker 3: Aaron Patterson. It wasn't scrambling around in the bush looking
Speaker 3: for killer mushrooms. She wasn't a cold blooded killer. She
Speaker 3: was instead an isolated warrior trying to gain love and attention.
Speaker 3: That's the picture defense barrister Colin mandy Ssi painted of
Speaker 3: his client yesterday as he urged the Supreme Court jury
Speaker 3: to put themselves in her shoes as they consider whether
Speaker 3: Patterson is guilty or not guilty of murder. That's the
Speaker 3: Age for your camera times. This is a story about
Speaker 3: the Director of Public Prosecution saying she remains extremely concerned
Speaker 3: about her office being underfunded with extra money for another
Speaker 3: Witness Assistance Service officer, and that wouldn't meet the current demand.
Speaker 3: That's the DPP's budget warning. But also on the front
Speaker 3: page of the Camera Times the photo of the awful
Speaker 3: street signs and they look pretty terrible. So roads signs
Speaker 3: that steer visitors around our city, but they're creating an
Speaker 3: appalling first impression. Tourism leaders say, and I don't know
Speaker 3: if this photo of the street sign in Camera has
Speaker 3: been doctored or aied at all. I don't think it has.
Speaker 3: But bloody ell, it's in a state. If you live
Speaker 3: in Camera really want to fix up your street signs
Speaker 3: because they look terrible. Can't imagine what condition the roads are.
Speaker 3: In Financial Review Treasurer Jim Chalmers has pledged to lead
Speaker 3: an overhaul of Australia's tax system that will include lower
Speaker 3: income taxes but no changes to the GST, as he
Speaker 3: admits taxes overall would probably need to rise to repair
Speaker 3: the budget. There's your Financial Review and the front page
Speaker 3: of the Courier Mail. Oh the Queensland did win really
Speaker 3: couldn't get that picture a bigger On the front page
Speaker 3: of the Courier Mail. Maroon's triumph in Origin classic. Well
Speaker 3: done to our listeners listening in through four BC. Peter
Speaker 3: Figan will be crying on about that big time. This
Speaker 3: morning from five to thirty, Queensland kept the State of
Speaker 3: Origin series alive, holding off a fast finishing New South
Speaker 3: Wales side to triumph twenty six to twenty four in Perth.
Speaker 3: Cameron Munster, in his first match as captain, inspired the
Speaker 3: Maroons to a famous victory. And that was a big
Speaker 3: victory too as well earned. But boy it was a
Speaker 3: good match, wasn't What a great call from Levy on
Speaker 3: the Continuous Call team that would have to go down
Speaker 3: as possibly one of the best origins of all time
Speaker 3: and keeping, as they say, Queensland keeping the State of
Speaker 3: Origin series live one one. What will happen next? Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's going to come down to a terrific cliffhanger, just
Speaker 3: the way you like your footy, all right. Thirteen minutes
Speaker 3: past four. Ben Fordham here at five point thirty this
Speaker 3: morning on two GB Sydney, followed by the great Man
Speaker 3: of the Continuous Call who never gets any sleep And
Speaker 3: I'd like to know how much Emity sooth as he
Speaker 3: takes to keep himself a float too. That'll be Mike
Speaker 3: Levy on the way this morning on two GB from night.
Speaker 3: Next up, though, we go to Tel Aviv Lisa Sangalov,
Speaker 3: who's an Australian and she lives in Israel, and what's
Speaker 3: her day to day life like and what's the situation
Speaker 3: from her back window. We'll get to her next and
Speaker 3: it is sixteen minutes past four. I'm fella il ben
Speaker 3: Fordham here this morning at five point thirty. Let's go
Speaker 3: to near tel Aviv. Lisa Segalov's on the phone. I'd
Speaker 3: say near tel Aviv because I'm not sure exactly where
Speaker 3: abouts you are. Where are you, Lisa, Good morning, Good morning.
Speaker 4: I live about thirty kilometers north of Tel Aviv in
Speaker 4: a city called Hotta Sharon.
Speaker 3: Right, what's the situation like there? Now, I'm late to
Speaker 3: believe that you were down in a bunker before when
Speaker 3: the sirens went off. You're back up up above that.
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, there were about about an hour and a
Speaker 4: half ago there was notice that there were submissal headed
Speaker 4: our way, and we get a notice of now ten
Speaker 4: minute warning that comes on your phone. It's called an
Speaker 4: emergency alert, and that tells you you've got ten minutes
Speaker 4: to race into the shelter, and ninety seconds before the
Speaker 4: missiles are about to hit, there's a siren, so you
Speaker 4: have to be in the shelter by then close the
Speaker 4: door and just sit and then you can hear all
Speaker 4: the booms going off. And usually I have to wait
Speaker 4: about twenty minutes after that until you get another message
Speaker 4: on your phone that you can go out.
Speaker 3: And so what kind of bunker is it a communal bunker?
Speaker 3: Is it one that's set up near you, or is
Speaker 3: it your own one?
Speaker 4: Well, because the house is built after nineteen ninety two,
Speaker 4: we have our own safe room, what you call a bunker.
Speaker 4: So we are very lucky. About half of Israel has
Speaker 4: a bunker, and the other half then either use public
Speaker 4: bunkers or they at the bottom of the building an
Speaker 4: apartment building, they will have ones under the ground. But
Speaker 4: what's happened to people that don't have adequate shelters is
Speaker 4: that they've taken underground car parks and set up mattresses
Speaker 4: for people and provisions so people can have snacks when
Speaker 4: they're there. So people will come, say at the first siren,
Speaker 4: which happened an hour ago, and they'll come with their
Speaker 4: family and just spend the whole night there and wake
Speaker 4: up in the morning and then go back home.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've noticed that. Yeah, I saw some photos of
Speaker 3: that that that quite a few families do go down
Speaker 3: to those underground car parks as well. And how does
Speaker 3: that work? Do you get a situation where it becomes
Speaker 3: almost too crowded?
Speaker 4: No, because they're massive, right, and they're everywhere. So they
Speaker 4: cleared out a lot of underground car parks and they're massive.
Speaker 4: They've killed it up the light rail stations to underground
Speaker 4: so people can sleep there as well. People have opened up,
Speaker 4: you know, their houses to other people in Tel Aviv.
Speaker 4: Sometimes they'll write on the pavement outside, you know, please,
Speaker 4: you're welcome to come. If you're walking by and there's
Speaker 4: a siren, come down and be with us. And that's
Speaker 4: just how it is at the moment.
Speaker 3: And so how used to the sirens going off? Has
Speaker 3: life become now where you are? I mean, it's just
Speaker 3: because it's happening a lot. Is there still a sense
Speaker 3: of trepidation that this is going to happen? Or has
Speaker 3: it become just as I said, a sort of a
Speaker 3: day to day event.
Speaker 4: Well, we're six days into this war and it's very surreal.
Speaker 4: Everything has closed down. There's no schools, there's no government
Speaker 4: officers working. You're not allowed to go and work in
Speaker 4: your office, even if you have a safer Places of
Speaker 4: entertainment are closed. Beaches are clothes, public swimming pool the clothes.
Speaker 4: So there's not very much to do, and only essential
Speaker 4: services are running and only supermarkets are open. So that
Speaker 4: that sort of adds to the atmosphere of where we are.
Speaker 4: So I don't think you ever get used to it.
Speaker 4: When you're in the shelter, the booms that come are
Speaker 4: very very loud. You're in a concrete bunker and you
Speaker 4: can hear these booms above you.
Speaker 2: It's scary.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, of course, is there a sense of
Speaker 3: course that you know the situation there might escalate or
Speaker 3: you just is everybody just taking it one moment at
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 4: I think we're just living from one siren to the
Speaker 4: next at the moment and trying and hoping that there's
Speaker 4: not a lot of damage and there's no more loss
Speaker 4: of life from outside. And I don't think that we're
Speaker 4: really worried, you know, about what will be. We've just
Speaker 4: got to keep going. It's the emergency regulations have been
Speaker 4: set to take to be enforced until the thirtieth of June,
Speaker 4: so that's still two weeks away, and we're just updated,
Speaker 4: you know, as it happens.
Speaker 3: And so how good is the media information that you're getting?
Speaker 3: Is it really clear? Is it really precise? Do you
Speaker 3: have a really good idea or a good feeling that
Speaker 3: you know exactly what's going on.
Speaker 4: In terms of what's happening here we're the missile landing
Speaker 4: and what's happening, yes, for sure, and the media on
Speaker 4: top of it you understand. Actually you know if something
Speaker 4: is close to you, then you know it's fallen near
Speaker 4: you or it's been intercepted near you. What's happening over
Speaker 4: in Iran? And we're getting reports of what is happening,
Speaker 4: what the results are of attacks, how they're doing it,
Speaker 4: and why it's happening, and what the target is and
Speaker 4: what the next target is that we won't know. That's
Speaker 4: all military planning.
Speaker 3: How are things like supplies in supermarkets and things like that.
Speaker 3: Do you run short of supplies?
Speaker 4: At first there was a shortage of milk, what went
Speaker 4: with milk, bread and toilet paper, but they restocked pretty
Speaker 4: quickly and no, it's people bought what they had to buy,
Speaker 4: and they know that supermarkets will be open. That's an
Speaker 4: essential service. So there's no real panic now about anything.
Speaker 3: But how do you have some sense of normality because
Speaker 3: and especially at the moment too, because I mean this
Speaker 3: area also has a history of course, where there's always
Speaker 3: something going on that could, you know, turn into a
Speaker 3: complete disaster. How do you keep a sense of normality
Speaker 3: on a day to day.
Speaker 4: Basis, Well, you don't really if you've been up three
Speaker 4: or four times during the night. The other night there
Speaker 4: was a missile at eight o'clock, twelve o'clock, at two thirty,
Speaker 4: and five thirty, so you basically didn't sleep at night.
Speaker 4: And for families with little kids, they're just putting their
Speaker 4: kids in the concrete bunker, whether it's a private one
Speaker 4: or a public one. And the kids that's trying to
Speaker 4: sleep through the night. But the adults they're up and down,
Speaker 4: they're looking after their kids. And so there's really not
Speaker 4: any normality in what what's happening. If you really and
Speaker 4: if you stop to think about it, what's happening, you
Speaker 4: just get caught up with it and it's a bit
Speaker 4: too scary. So you've just got to go with the
Speaker 4: flow and just keep on going, try and do a
Speaker 4: little bit of work here and there, Try and do
Speaker 4: a little bit of exercise here and there, and time passes.
Speaker 3: And how do you explain to the kids what's going on?
Speaker 3: Do they have you know? Do you try and protect
Speaker 3: them from as much information as possible or have you
Speaker 3: found that most people have tried to be honest with
Speaker 3: the kids.
Speaker 4: No, I think most people are very honest with the kids. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we're only sixteens into this war, but we've been in
Speaker 4: bomb shelters in and out for the last twenty months.
Speaker 4: I must say that these last few days are more
Speaker 4: of them, and the booms allowed that, and so it's
Speaker 4: a bit scarier. Most kids are sleep through the night,
Speaker 4: so they won't hear that. But really, with social media
Speaker 4: and media today, really kids, except for very little kids,
Speaker 4: they sort of know what's going on.
Speaker 3: And can I ask how old your kids are? How
Speaker 3: many you have?
Speaker 4: Well, I've got four kids, and my oldest is my
Speaker 4: oldest is twenty nine, and my youngest is twenty and
Speaker 4: my youngest is still serving her compulsory military service in
Speaker 4: the Israeli Army and the others are in reserve duty.
Speaker 4: But at the moment, they're not haven't been called up,
Speaker 4: right of course.
Speaker 3: And obviously that's something that you're concerned about all the
Speaker 3: time as well.
Speaker 4: Yep, that's correct, That is correct. There are a lot
Speaker 4: of people that have been called up, a lot of
Speaker 4: my relatives, my family that lived here, Nitha's nephew's cousins,
Speaker 4: and so we're all in contact. We're actually all in contact.
Speaker 4: Every time there's a siren, we check on each other
Speaker 4: and we just coined there by day, hour by hour.
Speaker 3: At the moment, all right, Well, our thoughts are with you,
Speaker 3: and our hearts are with you as well, Lisa, because
Speaker 3: I mean it must be none of us can really
Speaker 3: get obviously a proper comprehension of what life must be
Speaker 3: like for you on a day to day basis. So
Speaker 3: our thoughts are with you and all the best. Thank
Speaker 3: you so much, Lisa, Thank you very much. That's Lisa
Speaker 3: there near tell Tell tel Aviv, who obviously, as we've
Speaker 3: found out, I mean, like you know, it's it's surreal,
Speaker 3: and it's it's impossible for us in the life that
Speaker 3: we have, the day to day lives that we have,
Speaker 3: to we even imagine ourselves in that situation and how
Speaker 3: we would deal with it, and especially too if you
Speaker 3: had kids, you know what you would tell kids. I mean,
Speaker 3: we really are again, it just reinforces how lucky we
Speaker 3: are to live in the country that we live, don't
Speaker 3: you think. Twenty seven minutes past four Okay, let's get
Speaker 3: to the news after this. Got your sports update as well,
Speaker 3: and then we will get to Luke Boner with the
Speaker 3: Boner Report where it is four point thirty morning Meck
Speaker 3: from Winston Hills. Thank you for your text, and also
Speaker 3: Chris who just sent me a text there through as well,
Speaker 3: and Matt got your one too. Phil, you have me
Speaker 3: questioning myself. I always pronounce maroons Maron's and then you
Speaker 3: say maroons. Let's call the whole thing off, says Maddie. Well,
Speaker 3: you're absolutely right. We should get you know, I should
Speaker 3: get that, absolutely right you would think. However, you know,
Speaker 3: still going with the blues and still got the blues
Speaker 3: for you, my friend. Let's get the news update.
Speaker 1: And now on Wake Up Australia News today.
Speaker 3: Starting in Sydney two GB Dusty Fitzpatrick, Morning to you,
Speaker 3: my friend. What have we got going on?
Speaker 5: Phil? Good morning to you. This year's State of Origin
Speaker 5: series has been sent to a designer, with Queensland securing victory.
Speaker 5: In Perth, the Marons edged out the Blues twenty six
Speaker 5: points to twenty four. Donald Trump hasn't ruled out the
Speaker 5: United States joining Israeli strikes on Iran. The President told
Speaker 5: reporters he may do it, he may not do it.
Speaker 5: Iran and Israel continue to trade strikes and firefighters working
Speaker 5: to contain a blaze at a factory in Sydney's Inner West.
Speaker 5: Sixteen fire trucks are on the scene at Marrickville and
Speaker 5: phil There'll be more news at the top of the hour.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Now, let's go from two GB Sydney to three AW
Speaker 3: in Melbourne, Jordan Tunbridge, Morning Jordan. What have you got
Speaker 3: for us? Mate?
Speaker 6: Good morning? Making news in Melbourne. The driver of a
Speaker 6: stolen white SUV who drove its speed inside Melbourne's Northland
Speaker 6: Shopping Center remains on the run. The center was placed
Speaker 6: into lockdown as the land Cruiser crashed through bollards and
Speaker 6: into the center. Miraculously, no one has been seriously injured,
Speaker 6: with paramedics treating two people at the scene. The defense
Speaker 6: barrister for accused mushroom killer Aaron Patterson has told her
Speaker 6: triple murder trial his clients might be a liar, but
Speaker 6: he is not a killer. As he continues his closing address,
Speaker 6: Colin Mandy sc has told the court he's more material
Speaker 6: to get through. This dress should be completed sometime this morning.
Speaker 6: We've had an earthquake down here at two point nine
Speaker 6: magnitude tremor at Rawson near to Raugen yesterday. No reports
Speaker 6: have damage since then, and the home of Melbourne's beloved
Speaker 6: skipping Girl has undergone a multimillion dollar makeover. The Neon
Speaker 6: lit figure the inner city suburb of Abbotsford has been
Speaker 6: a fixture here for nearly ninety years. That's what's making
Speaker 6: news in Melbourne.
Speaker 3: Thank you Jordan Tunbridge, who I did call Junden there
Speaker 3: a moment ago, so I do apologize, although Jane from
Speaker 3: Brisbane I'm sure now known as Jill from Brisbane will
Speaker 3: be able to ring me up in just a moment
Speaker 3: and tell me off for my pronunciation.
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Speaker 3: ZI rock band wolf Mother took to the stage ahead
Speaker 3: of the State of Origin Game two with their two
Speaker 3: thousand and six hit Joker and the Thief. I thought
Speaker 3: it was quite good, but the performance failed to fire
Speaker 3: up the crowd. Despite their global fan base, the band's effort,
Speaker 3: led by the frontman Andrew Stockdale, was met with more
Speaker 3: groans than cheers. You just wouldn't take the gig, would you.
Speaker 3: I think that's the kind of job. It's a little
Speaker 3: bit like being the leader of the Liberal Party or
Speaker 3: the captain of the Australian cricket team. Why would you
Speaker 3: want to go out there unless you're going to really
Speaker 3: knock it out out of the ground, which I thought
Speaker 3: wolf Mother would do to be honest. But anyway, social
Speaker 3: media led up with a whole bunch of criticism NRL
Speaker 3: stuck in a time warp, one viewer tweeted, another one
Speaker 3: went I hope wolf Mother didn't cost anything. Some fans
Speaker 3: described it as dead set awful and joked that everybody
Speaker 3: cheered when it was over. Well, I disagree. I thought
Speaker 3: it was actually a really good performance by wolf Mother.
Speaker 3: You might want to disagree or agree on the text
Speaker 3: zero four six zero eight seven three eight seven three.
Speaker 3: Few people defended the performance as brief, but it was enjoyable.
Speaker 3: Speaking about enjoyable, nothing like the big coll last night
Speaker 3: from the continue you was call team. Once again, Levy
Speaker 3: also smashed him out of the past.
Speaker 1: State of Origin twenty twenty five, Game two from OPTAs Stadium, Perth.
Speaker 7: There's the whistle underway robson.
Speaker 8: He goes away to clearing looking for runners, gives the
Speaker 8: pass on the blue eye. Who ain't gonna put a
Speaker 8: little kick trow But he's a move bysa there bo
Speaker 8: time he got that tried kidding a way to Toyer.
Speaker 8: Turn on the outside of the hammer scars. Why are
Speaker 8: they gonna go in outside? The Queenslanders HAMERSA tam you iver?
Speaker 8: Now it's six four you sound well? I was leading Queenslander.
Speaker 8: Wait a dead and a cruftfield kick leaping into the air.
Speaker 8: Hemisaf tam you idad?
Speaker 9: Want to try me?
Speaker 10: That is unbelievable. He left the bot plug a whist
Speaker 10: comes dangle plug.
Speaker 1: A free man dugger.
Speaker 10: Then he plans to violence got the try.
Speaker 3: Oh beautiful, what a call great man? Levy once again,
Speaker 3: as I said, knocks it out of the park. I
Speaker 3: should get Boner's response on that. We'll get him up.
Speaker 1: Now on Wake Up Australia each time for the.
Speaker 3: How are you my friend?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 11: Look, I've done a lot in radio, but calling football
Speaker 11: is at one of them. I know my limitations and
Speaker 11: don't you dare go there. I shan't be doing that.
Speaker 11: As the Big Man would say.
Speaker 3: Oh lads, Clint Eastwood would say, a man's got to
Speaker 3: know his limitations.
Speaker 10: What's going on? What we have here is a failure
Speaker 10: to communicates exactly.
Speaker 3: It's a different one. That was Paul Newman. So you've
Speaker 3: just had your daughter get married. You had a nice
Speaker 3: little so journ. We enjoyed your escapades on the Instagram,
Speaker 3: so I hope that was enjoyable for you.
Speaker 11: It was a great day and it was terrible weather
Speaker 11: all day and then about an hour before the ceremony,
Speaker 11: the skies opened and the blue sky came out. It
Speaker 11: was just a really good day of family and friends
Speaker 11: getting together. She's married a beautiful boy. I love him
Speaker 11: to death. And so there you are one down, one to.
Speaker 3: Go, all right, Not that you're counting. What do you
Speaker 3: want to talk about this week?
Speaker 11: I had a really interesting comment station on my podcast
Speaker 11: Bona Fire with Luke Bona The other day with a
Speaker 11: bloke that you talk to fairly regularly.
Speaker 10: I understand Shane Oliver Ye find it's the chief economist
Speaker 10: with AMP.
Speaker 11: And people would listen to Shane and think, gee, he's
Speaker 11: a bit of a stiff, he's a square, he's an accountant,
Speaker 11: he's an economist. No, next time you talk to Shane,
Speaker 11: try and find a bit of extra time up your sleeve, Phil,
Speaker 11: because this guy is a character and he loves his music.
Speaker 11: And we got onto the topic of how we listen
Speaker 11: to music today. Now Shane and I are the same vintage.
Speaker 11: You're the same vintage. We're all about the same time.
Speaker 11: And we grew up listening to albums. When we were
Speaker 11: little kids.
Speaker 10: We probably bought.
Speaker 11: Forty fives singles, and then maybe when we got a
Speaker 11: bit of pocket money and we reached high school, you'd
Speaker 11: lash out and you'd buy a whole album.
Speaker 10: And I loved the whole vinyl album thing. I miss it.
Speaker 10: I miss it a lot.
Speaker 11: And you drop the needle side one, track one and
Speaker 11: you listen to it all the way through, just like
Speaker 11: the artist and the producer intended. And now listening to music, well,
Speaker 11: it's very very easy to do through apps like Spotify.
Speaker 11: And I'm not picking on Spotify because I use it.
Speaker 10: It's handy.
Speaker 11: I've got a Spotify playlist that I play in the car,
Speaker 11: and I've hand picked cherry picked my favorite songs and
Speaker 11: they all come up in the row for me. But
Speaker 11: I miss the album experience. And I just wonder how
Speaker 11: many of our listeners this morning remember the wonderful time
Speaker 11: you had going to a record store and buying an
Speaker 11: album and listening to the whole thing, discovering songs that
Speaker 11: the record company would never have released as a single
Speaker 11: because the artist's revenue are absolutely absolutely relied on radio airplay,
Speaker 11: and songs had to be cut down to three and
Speaker 11: a half minutes. In the sixties and seventies it was
Speaker 11: two and a half minutes. Songs like Hey, Jude, American Pie,
Speaker 11: et cetera, Bohemian Rhapsody. They broke the mold and went
Speaker 11: a bit longer. But album music, I think is missing.
Speaker 10: What do you make of it, philm You'll hear the
Speaker 10: same age as me.
Speaker 3: That's right, but yeah, and you're absolutely right. And also
Speaker 3: there've been a complete failure of rock bands on the
Speaker 3: music charts. It's all about solo artists. They've been hardly
Speaker 3: any in fifteen years. I think there's been about two.
Speaker 3: But that was the thing. It was part of it,
Speaker 3: you know, it was a narrative, the beginning song and
Speaker 3: the end song, everything was even though it wasn't a
Speaker 3: concept album, it was put in that order by the artists.
Speaker 3: So you go on a journey and you're absolutely right.
Speaker 3: I mean that whole, the enjoyment and the aesthetic feel
Speaker 3: of the record and taking it home and pulling it out.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't think that's ever going to come back,
Speaker 3: to be honest.
Speaker 10: It's a shame.
Speaker 11: I mean, there is a comeback of vinyl, but I
Speaker 11: mean it'll never come back CDs or the end of vinyl,
Speaker 11: and now you've got digital downloading and that's the way.
Speaker 10: Things are going.
Speaker 11: And I think it's a shame for the artists because
Speaker 11: you know, Spotify, while it's given a lot of artists
Speaker 11: a big platform, artists are missing out. I mean, back
Speaker 11: in the day, it was album and record sales that
Speaker 11: drove their revenue and then that led to touring. Now
Speaker 11: you look at the amount of bands that tour now,
Speaker 11: it's very very hard, very good made of mine. One
Speaker 11: of my best mates is Michael Hope who runs Hope
Speaker 11: of State in the Hunter Valley and he has big concerts.
Speaker 11: But it's very hard to get promoters to have the
Speaker 11: courage to do this now because traveling is expensive. Artists
Speaker 11: from overseas they want first class in business airfares. There's
Speaker 11: an entourage, and it's a really expensive exercise. And if
Speaker 11: you look at Hope of State, pardon me, have the
Speaker 11: capacities twenty thousand, the artist won sixty thousand.
Speaker 3: I'll let you have a drink of water while I
Speaker 3: just quickly pick up this. And the thing is that
Speaker 3: bans these days, Luke, you know, the only way they're
Speaker 3: going to get the money that they used to have
Speaker 3: is to tour, because there is no money in any
Speaker 3: thing else. And you're right. The touring now also has
Speaker 3: to be scaled back to such an extent that it's
Speaker 3: almost like a do it yourself experience. But the only
Speaker 3: way the bands can make money is to go on
Speaker 3: tour in a limited capacity. But the other thing that
Speaker 3: the bands make a lot of money on is merchandise.
Speaker 3: And even if we think, you know, merchandise is incredibly expensive.
Speaker 3: You know, if you go and see a band by
Speaker 3: the T shirt, because they also rely on that.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, but we don't know the finances.
Speaker 11: We don't know how much percentage the actual musicians are
Speaker 11: getting out of all of this, because there's a lot
Speaker 11: of people wanting a piece of that pie. But it
Speaker 11: just got me thinking, what was the first album you
Speaker 11: actually went and bought? Because I remember I was gifted
Speaker 11: led Zeppelin two Christmas Day in nineteen seventy. I skipped
Speaker 11: one and I got led Zeppein two and that put
Speaker 11: me on a journey. And of course led Zeppron four
Speaker 11: is still one of the biggest selling albums of all time,
Speaker 11: but it's downloaded. I was thinking Michael Jackson's Thriller, it
Speaker 11: still tops the list. I remember going out and buying
Speaker 11: the Rolling Stone Sticky Fingers because of Brown Sugar and
Speaker 11: can't you hear Me Knocking?
Speaker 10: And I just wonder how many.
Speaker 11: Of our listeners around our vintage remember going out and
Speaker 11: buying their first album.
Speaker 10: I wonder what it was and do they still listen
Speaker 10: to it in its.
Speaker 3: Entirety one, three, one, eight seven three. That was part
Speaker 3: of the experience going to a record shop. And I
Speaker 3: remember I used to hang out in the record shop too,
Speaker 3: and you'd meet people back in the day, you know,
Speaker 3: you'd say, okay, I'll meet you with sounds and whatever
Speaker 3: it happened to be back in the day that was
Speaker 3: before mobile phones.
Speaker 10: That's right.
Speaker 11: But Shane Oliver, who puts an economic slant on all
Speaker 11: of this, had had this to say to me on
Speaker 11: my podcast yesterday.
Speaker 3: Oh this is sorry. I wasn't ready. I wasn't ready
Speaker 3: for that.
Speaker 12: I have this problem when I listened to stuff on Spotify,
Speaker 12: I don't value it same degree. So if an artist
Speaker 12: puts out like this, groups and bands that I like,
Speaker 12: and I'll go and buy their CD or and the
Speaker 12: old days a record or a cassette or something, and
Speaker 12: then I would I would look at it and look
Speaker 12: at the pictures, and look at the write the songs,
Speaker 12: and get obsessed with it and listen to each song
Speaker 12: several times. Whereas these days you get everything on Spotify,
Speaker 12: you just zip over the songs you don't like, and
Speaker 12: so you don't value it to the same degree.
Speaker 3: And I think that's kind of sad in a way. There,
Speaker 3: you got funny. You were pointing out me.
Speaker 11: Has Spotify sanitized the way we listen to music and
Speaker 11: has it taken away the wonderful experience of listening to
Speaker 11: an album, as you used to say, drop the needle
Speaker 11: and let it go through and experience the whole thing.
Speaker 11: Has Spotify taken away some of the romance attached to
Speaker 11: purchasing music.
Speaker 10: There's my question.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one three, one eight seven three. And also let
Speaker 3: us know about the first record you brought here with Boner,
Speaker 3: Luke Boner and the report. The other thing too, is
Speaker 3: that you know, if you're buying something off Spotify and
Speaker 3: it's on your phone, you don't have anything. You never
Speaker 3: because music's so disposable, you never actually have anything that
Speaker 3: you can hold in your hand, even like a CD.
Speaker 11: You know. And before we bought albums when we were little,
Speaker 11: we bought forty five. So remember my first forty five
Speaker 11: was the Seekers, all of their own.
Speaker 3: So there you are, one three, one eight seven three.
Speaker 3: Give us a call right now. In the Boner Report,
Speaker 3: had it is sixteen minutes to five. Luke Booner joins
Speaker 3: us with the Boner Report, you were talking about people's
Speaker 3: first records. I've got some texts that came through. Jeanette said.
Speaker 3: First one was bridge over Troubled Water, can't go past. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Simon Garffer, what a magnificent album that is Patrick's is
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine. In nineteen eighty nine, in fact, be
Speaker 3: Happy was his first album. Nearly confused that with a
Speaker 3: bit of Prince and here's a great album from Paul
Speaker 3: Harry's Reason Spy Versus Spy, great album, great T shirt too.
Speaker 11: You want to hear a bit of trivia, go on,
Speaker 11: because back in my music jock days, where was I to.
Speaker 10: Well f and young And you remember Phil.
Speaker 11: Back in the day, the record companies would send you
Speaker 11: samples and you get to hear the singles before they
Speaker 11: were hits. And Circus Animals Col Chisel had come out
Speaker 11: and the single was Forever Now and I was always.
Speaker 10: A huge B side sampler, So I flip it over.
Speaker 10: Do you know what the B side to forever an
Speaker 10: Now was?
Speaker 3: Okay, flame Trees?
Speaker 10: It was bow River.
Speaker 11: I heard bow River and I thought that's better than
Speaker 11: the A side, and so I kept playing bow River.
Speaker 11: I got into trouble from the program director, and then
Speaker 11: every time I go into a pub where they had
Speaker 11: a jukebox, I'd always choose side B. And Ian Moss
Speaker 11: once said to me, Boner, you made bow rivery hit.
Speaker 3: Where's your money for this.
Speaker 10: I'm claiming it. I'm claiming it.
Speaker 3: Let's get to the phone films. On the phone you're
Speaker 3: on with Lyck Booner. Phil, Let's talk about your first
Speaker 3: record mate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my first record I bought was called Hits of
Speaker 2: the Blitz by Zira Lynn.
Speaker 10: Oh God bless we'll meet again.
Speaker 2: Hey, well made again and padam and your and all
Speaker 2: that sort of. Yes for the army background.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, great album.
Speaker 10: I think I remember going in and buying it.
Speaker 11: And what about the smell of the vinyl and the
Speaker 11: orange cloth that you used to buy it. It's a
Speaker 11: very gently wipe it in a circular motion. Did you
Speaker 11: have on your on your record player? Did you have
Speaker 11: a dust bug?
Speaker 3: Did you have a dust bug later on?
Speaker 2: I did, but in the early times no, which was
Speaker 2: very you know, and it took me nearly a whole
Speaker 2: week's pay to buy it.
Speaker 10: Yes, yeah, and you had a relationship with that album.
Speaker 2: Oh I've still got it.
Speaker 10: Yeah, good God bless what you do.
Speaker 2: All my albums all from the early sixties and fifties.
Speaker 2: I think the first one I must have got I
Speaker 2: think The Old Peace came to a Australia in about
Speaker 2: fifty four.
Speaker 7: In the and do you know what?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting. I think the closest that you and
Speaker 3: I will get to via Lynn would be a reference
Speaker 3: to Pink Floyd from the Wall album. So let's get
Speaker 3: to Bernardi's on the phone on North Rocks. Are I Bernie?
Speaker 3: You're on with Luke Boner? What was your first record?
Speaker 13: My first record that I've got is Crescendo by patam
Speaker 13: or tATu mt at the Piano and it was originally
Speaker 13: passed when on as a special at the shop for
Speaker 13: seven seven dollars ninety five and they've reduced that. I've
Speaker 13: got the actual price at my receias hust and Pay,
Speaker 13: and it was five dollars. And I've got some ball here.
Speaker 3: You're going to have Luke Boner and coming over and
Speaker 3: having a record party.
Speaker 11: I think I think she's sitting on a fortune. I
Speaker 11: think there's a lot of money there. People are paying
Speaker 11: big money for albums in good condition, especially if the
Speaker 11: cover's in good Nick.
Speaker 3: That's it exactly right. Let's get to Margaret, who's on
Speaker 3: the phone too, Margaret that's talked to Luke Boner about
Speaker 3: your Margaret.
Speaker 14: Good Night link. I love your show. Always get up
Speaker 14: early and listen to it. I can't remember the names
Speaker 14: of the album, but I bought two records at the
Speaker 14: same time when I think I was thirteen fourteen, and
Speaker 14: I thought one of the Beatles forty five, and I
Speaker 14: also bought Shirley Bessie. I love two very different types
Speaker 14: of me.
Speaker 7: You think this is Margaret?
Speaker 11: Can I ask you what record store did you buy from?
Speaker 11: Do you remember did you Was it in the suburbs
Speaker 11: or did you.
Speaker 10: Go into the city.
Speaker 14: Yeah, no, we used to go into Eatles.
Speaker 15: Was one of them Beatles?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 14: It's gone now there No, I don't think so.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 14: I do know of the guy who used to own it.
Speaker 14: He saw it many many years ago.
Speaker 10: There you go.
Speaker 14: I'm trying to think of the guy's name. We used
Speaker 14: to as teenagers go over to one of the girls
Speaker 14: places and play these records and dance around and sing
Speaker 14: his names just escape me. But we used to love
Speaker 14: playing and you'll know who I'm talking about, Summer Holiday
Speaker 14: and all those old hips, cliff Ridgid Cliff Richard. Yeah,
Speaker 14: we used to love those songs and we used to
Speaker 14: go around and have sessions of singing all the songs
Speaker 14: and dancing around. And we had one of the portable
Speaker 14: little record players. You remember those little Bokay.
Speaker 11: Hey, do you remember the k Tell compilation albums that
Speaker 11: used to come out It's super Bad and you had
Speaker 11: a k Tell record selector that was on side remember
Speaker 11: that film.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, some plastic thing that essentially.
Speaker 10: And you read with all your albums in it.
Speaker 3: Because I always used to slide out of the side of.
Speaker 10: It and it never worked. It was like the game
Speaker 10: mouse trap. It never worked.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 14: I've got many many CDs now with a lot of
Speaker 14: those old complements, pations and the you know, the records
Speaker 14: for the now CDs, lots of the old ones, donating
Speaker 14: them to two GB.
Speaker 3: Well do bring them over here.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I will do all right, Thank you very much,
Speaker 14: And you have a lunchy day. And I do like
Speaker 14: to listen to you in the morning.
Speaker 7: I really like you.
Speaker 14: You know that you're upfront.
Speaker 3: Nice to talk to you, Margaret. There you go. Margaret
Speaker 3: will also be able to go and have a listen
Speaker 3: to your podcast too. Another couple of texts that are
Speaker 3: coming through here. This is from Warren. First record was
Speaker 3: Rock and Roy Music nineteen seventy six and he bought
Speaker 3: it a b Croft Records store. That was a double album. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the old double albums. That was something else, wasn't Oh
Speaker 3: now a.
Speaker 11: Double album that was something special. Yellow Brick Road, famous
Speaker 11: double album Frampton Comes Alive, Peter Frampton, remember that nineteen
Speaker 11: seventy six.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, do you feel like we do?
Speaker 11: That was a famous double album and the song remains
Speaker 11: the same, the led Zepp Madison Square Recordings double album. So,
Speaker 11: I mean that was a real investment, wasn't it. And
Speaker 11: you were definitely committed to the artist if you bought
Speaker 11: a double album.
Speaker 3: Well that said, and of course, you know back in
Speaker 3: those days, you know, we didn't have a lot of money,
Speaker 3: all of us, you know, I'm you, I'm talking about
Speaker 3: our listeners as well, So it was a real treat
Speaker 3: to go out and buy a record. So you'd have
Speaker 3: to get the plastic cover that it went into, you know.
Speaker 11: And you know, and the other thing about buying albums
Speaker 11: was it you got the lyrics you could read along
Speaker 11: with the words for the first time.
Speaker 10: You didn't get that on a single.
Speaker 11: You bought the album and chances are it had all
Speaker 11: the lyrics there as well. I remember reading along to
Speaker 11: all the words to Sergeant Peppers and I thought it
Speaker 11: was absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 10: You didn't have to guess the words.
Speaker 3: I should have mentioned before that when we were talking
Speaker 3: about Cliff Richard that he's touring too. He's going to
Speaker 3: be touring Australia, I think later on this year.
Speaker 11: I think he's the only artist in the world that's
Speaker 11: had number one or top ten hits in the fifties, sixties, seventies.
Speaker 11: He's nineties, two thousands. It's some incredible record.
Speaker 10: Look at that for me. Yeah, I think he's out.
Speaker 10: I think he's out on his own. Cliff Ridge, it's
Speaker 10: still touring.
Speaker 3: Eh, that's exactly right. Hey, what's coming up on your podcast? Well,
Speaker 3: I've got you here because I know you want to
Speaker 3: give that a plug.
Speaker 10: Oh, we'll look at it.
Speaker 11: There's always a bit of everything that once again, we'll
Speaker 11: talk about finance with Shane and how this drama between
Speaker 11: Iran and Israel is going to affect world markets. We'll
Speaker 11: have a bit of fun with Adam McDonald, the King
Speaker 11: of Memorabilia, and you never know what's coming up next.
Speaker 10: It's called Bona five with Luke Boner.
Speaker 3: It's available now, give it the plug. Nice a torture
Speaker 3: with the Boner Report. Mate, thank you have a terrific weekend.
Speaker 3: I love to the new family and we'll talk to
Speaker 3: you next.
Speaker 10: Week, Buddy, I can't wait, mate of mister mate cheers
Speaker 10: take care.
Speaker 3: Five minutes to five. So there's our mate, Luke Boner.
Speaker 3: He will be back next week and of course do
Speaker 3: toget speaking about old mates. Ben Fordham here after five
Speaker 3: point thirty this morning and Mike Levy fresh off the
Speaker 3: back of the Big Core with the Continuous Call team too.
Speaker 3: Imagine he's going to do the show from Perth today
Speaker 3: so he would be able to get out I'm not
Speaker 3: thinking no. Would he be able to get out of
Speaker 3: bed earlier than usual? Probably? Not knowing Luke, he's probably
Speaker 3: just done another all nighter. And in Brisbane four BC
Speaker 3: Peter Vegan coming up as well this morning at five
Speaker 3: point thirty. Very chilly this morning in Sydney six degrees
Speaker 3: but feels like three not too bad. In Brisbane it's
Speaker 3: about eleven but it feels like nine degrees. I wanted
Speaker 3: to have a chat with Dr Leonardo Guida, he's a
Speaker 3: shark scientist, because you know, it's fifty years this year
Speaker 3: since Jaws the movie was released. One of the greatest
Speaker 3: scary movies. I wonder if any other film has had
Speaker 3: such a cultural impact as Jaws has, because when that
Speaker 3: came out, it really literally did scare us from going
Speaker 3: into the water, didn't it. I Mean, I don't know
Speaker 3: if you did that, but I remember, you know, as
Speaker 3: a kid, I saw that film and even now you're
Speaker 3: still thinking about sharks that you didn't like get on
Speaker 3: back in the day. Maybe the only other one was Poltergeist,
Speaker 3: where we all thought that hopefully our house wouldn't get haunted.
Speaker 3: But anyway, maybe I'll have a chat with him tomorrow.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have a discussion with doctor Tanvia Ahmed later
Speaker 3: on about psychological com claims and see whether or not
Speaker 3: a lot of those are verified.
Speaker 10: That's on the way.
Speaker 12: This is.
Speaker 1: This on two GB, four BC and network stations. This
Speaker 1: is wake up Us, Rodya with Phill O'Neill.
Speaker 7: Yeah, here we are.
Speaker 3: June nineteenth, Thursday morning. Cold feels like three degrees possibly
Speaker 3: even colder in Sydney, seven minutes past five a head
Speaker 3: of our good friend. Then for them to GB Sydney.
Speaker 3: Let's want to get five thirty. Peter Vegan on four
Speaker 3: BC in Brisbane and Mark Leevy coming up up the
Speaker 3: nine on two GB. Here's a bit of your opnight news.
Speaker 3: Israel's command of Iranian airspace leaves few obstacles in the
Speaker 3: world of expanding bombardment, although it will struggle to deal
Speaker 3: a knockout blow to deeply buried nuclear sites without the
Speaker 3: US joining the attack. Experts say this is maybe where
Speaker 3: the bunker busters come in. We'll wait and see what's
Speaker 3: going to happen with that. At least sixty nine Palestinians
Speaker 3: have been killed by Israeli fire across Gaza, including twenty
Speaker 3: nine people who are waiting for a trucks. Palestinian health
Speaker 3: officials have said the latest carnage has hit people desperate
Speaker 3: to secure food for their hungry families. Also, the Iranian
Speaker 3: Supreme Leader Ayatola al Kamani has rejected Donald Trump's demand
Speaker 3: for unconditional surrender. Overnight, and the US president said his
Speaker 3: patients had run out, although he gave no clue as
Speaker 3: to what his next step would be. The Ukrainian President
Speaker 3: Vladimir Zelenski left the Group of Seventh summit overnight. The
Speaker 3: new aid from Canadian host Canada is going to help
Speaker 3: them with their war against Russia, but they said, diplomacy
Speaker 3: is in crisis, having missed the chance to press up
Speaker 3: with Donald Trump and ask him for some more weapons.
Speaker 3: That's the situation that Vladimir Zelenski is in. But of
Speaker 3: course he wasn't the only one who missed out, So
Speaker 3: too did the Indian Prime minister, and so did our
Speaker 3: Prime minister as well.
Speaker 10: And one more for you.
Speaker 3: Britain called overnight for reform of the European Convention on
Speaker 3: Human Rights amid growing domestic criticism that it allows a
Speaker 3: foreign base court to meddle in sensitive areas of policy
Speaker 3: such as immigration and deportation rulings. So that's a bit
Speaker 3: of an update on what you've got going on with
Speaker 3: the news this Thursday morning. As I said, it's pretty
Speaker 3: damn cold out there, so I'm going to have a
Speaker 3: chat in just a moment to doctor tan Via Ahmed,
Speaker 3: the psychiatrist and also social commentator and also another commentator
Speaker 3: on two GB who you'll be able to hear. He
Speaker 3: wants to talk about the psychological compensation claims being about
Speaker 3: justice not health, so we'll get to the bottom of
Speaker 3: that after this. It's ten past five, thirteen minutes past
Speaker 3: five I have on the phone this morning a two
Speaker 3: GB commentator, doctor Tanvia Ahmed. Let's talk about the psychological
Speaker 3: compensation claims about being about justice and not about health.
Speaker 3: That's the story that we want to wear lambrad on
Speaker 3: and can you tell us more details about that.
Speaker 9: Look right across the country and probably across the western world,
Speaker 9: probably the last decade or two, these sort of psychological
Speaker 9: claims in the workplace have gone up a great deal,
Speaker 9: most specifically in New South Wales. They've quad rupled in
Speaker 9: the last five years and that's really where it rates to.
Speaker 9: So there's currently a bill in New Southwest Parliament essentially
Speaker 9: trying to stick a pin in this, try and really
Speaker 9: cut down on the huge growth which is effectively bankrupting
Speaker 9: the state to some extent, Like they're kind of billions
Speaker 9: of dollars in the in the red. But what I'm
Speaker 9: getting at it's something I have to assess. I've never
Speaker 9: to assess these claims. And by the claims, there's usually
Speaker 9: someone saying I.
Speaker 7: Felt bullied, or i felt mistreated, or I've been.
Speaker 9: Harassed or I've got looked over in a promotion for
Speaker 9: personal reasons.
Speaker 7: So it's all these sort of things.
Speaker 9: And now I'm not saying these things aren't happening, but
Speaker 9: there's a few trends that are driving this. So one
Speaker 9: mental health awareness, so yes, people are much more conscious
Speaker 9: of mental health problems. There's also our relationship with work people.
Speaker 9: We have more service oriented work, so it's work where
Speaker 9: we're sitting in on front of a computer, we're interacting
Speaker 9: with teams. The psychosocial side of work, you could argue,
Speaker 9: is more pronounced.
Speaker 7: It's more about kind of online interactions.
Speaker 9: It's more it's how you get on with the team,
Speaker 9: a lot more subjective stuff. So that's another dynamic. And
Speaker 9: in line with that, you've had this huge growth with
Speaker 9: these types of claims you've had. You can also argue
Speaker 9: there's been a change in our relationship with adversity. So
Speaker 9: even the way we view adversity, it's probably more people thinking, Okay,
Speaker 9: the problem, somebody's done this to me. So people have
Speaker 9: some sort of issue work and they're like, somebody's done
Speaker 9: this to me. I'm just building up these broader cultural
Speaker 9: trends because I think they feed into these workplace claims. Now,
Speaker 9: when we assess the reality with these claims, even though
Speaker 9: they're mental health claims, they don't respond to treatment like
Speaker 9: mental health claims. So you might have to get a
Speaker 9: diagnosis out of the police of post traumatic stress disorder,
Speaker 9: but the usual portion of people with that diagnosis, you know,
Speaker 9: there might be half the people might respond to treatment. However,
Speaker 9: when you have these sort of claims coming out of
Speaker 9: the workplace, suddenly the claims and the treatment responses are less.
Speaker 7: They don't respond quite as well. Now it's a.
Speaker 9: Variety of reasons, but what I'm arguing here is what's
Speaker 9: really going on here is often people feel right did
Speaker 9: work in some ways, you know, they feel mistreated in
Speaker 9: some form, and then it really becomes the dynamic is
Speaker 9: one about justice, resentment.
Speaker 7: Even honor and shame.
Speaker 9: I feel you don't really think talk about honor shame
Speaker 9: in Western societies much.
Speaker 7: You know, it feels really ancient.
Speaker 9: You know, it's kind of warrior or kind of romans
Speaker 9: or tribes and this sort of stuff.
Speaker 7: But in some ways, that's sort of what's going on.
Speaker 9: People feel they've been dishonored in a way, and they
Speaker 9: just get stuck.
Speaker 7: They're kind of in exile. They go into a self
Speaker 7: imposed exile, and.
Speaker 9: Then it almost doesn't matter you're throwing them treatments, you're
Speaker 9: doing counseling, all this kind of stuff. But un till
Speaker 9: they feel they get some sort of resolution, and again
Speaker 9: that's a kind of a justice type thing, they just
Speaker 9: don't get better. So really what I'm arguing here, Phil
Speaker 9: is we need to think about these claims differently.
Speaker 7: So a lot of the debate that's going in early
Speaker 7: access to treatment.
Speaker 13: Yes they do to some extent.
Speaker 7: If they do get in to see a psycho, it
Speaker 7: can help them reappraise.
Speaker 9: What's going on for them, Like, whatever issue happened to work,
Speaker 9: what does.
Speaker 7: It mean to them?
Speaker 9: Can they readjust can they think of it it differently?
Speaker 9: So that is useful, But what you really got to
Speaker 9: work on is can we find interesting ways of mediating
Speaker 9: workplace disputes rather than it go down this real combative route.
Speaker 9: What tends to happen is bag they go to some
Speaker 9: industrial relations commission and it becomes a combat straight away.
Speaker 9: So initially somebody might come out going, oh, I'm a
Speaker 9: bit pissed off that they didn't do X y Z
Speaker 9: for me, and they'll go on leave, go on a
Speaker 9: workers comp claim, and then bang, before you know it,
Speaker 9: it's turned into a kind of all out legal combat.
Speaker 9: Like both sides have got lawyers, it's gone to some
Speaker 9: sort of commission. It's a fair work claim, and what
Speaker 9: began is something relatively mild turns into kind of, you know,
Speaker 9: like some David Goliath sort of battle.
Speaker 3: I've got two schools of thoughts on this. One is
Speaker 3: that having been in a situation where I've been bullied
Speaker 3: at work, and I know the term p TD gets
Speaker 3: bandied around a lot. We've talked about HR on this show,
Speaker 3: and how HR is there to essentially protect the employer.
Speaker 3: There should be some recourse if you've been bullied and
Speaker 3: you've actually walked away and you know that you have
Speaker 3: some form of issue as a result of it. But
Speaker 3: there are also people who are the architects in the
Speaker 3: workplace of their own circumstances, who are trying to claim
Speaker 3: that they're the victim. I guess the thing is to
Speaker 3: differentiate between what's actually true and what is their version
Speaker 3: of the truth.
Speaker 9: Now that's an awfully hard thing to do because it's
Speaker 9: often one person's perception versus another, and they try and
Speaker 9: we try and get some sort of objective reality, which
Speaker 9: isn't always which isn't always easy, And there is My
Speaker 9: profession does probably add to it. Because we've got all
Speaker 9: these diagnoses, and sometimes they're fairly loose criteria, so people
Speaker 9: can latch onto a diagnosis. You mentioned PTSD. I think
Speaker 9: increasingly the growth of PTSD is linked to lacking language
Speaker 9: for adversity and can be useful sometimes it can help
Speaker 9: them make sense of it seek treatment. But obviously people
Speaker 9: have to have recourse. Like you know, all sorts of
Speaker 9: things go wrong in work and nobody's arguing the worker
Speaker 9: shouldn't have rights, but something's going wrong in these disputes
Speaker 9: that they're just getting completely stuck and framing them purely
Speaker 9: as a health sort of dispute. I think just misses
Speaker 9: a trick. It just doesn't quite get the dynamic in
Speaker 9: these disputes.
Speaker 3: But I also think sometimes you just want to be heard,
Speaker 3: don't necessarily want some kind of compensation. You know, most
Speaker 3: people just want someone to hear their grievances.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you're spot on fire. I think that people need
Speaker 7: to feel acknowledged.
Speaker 9: So again trying to think of processes where and again
Speaker 9: the illegal thing can make it hard where they're so
Speaker 9: fearful of admitting some sort of liability that modern organizations
Speaker 9: often can't even allow space where someone gets acknowledged where
Speaker 9: they're feeling of being mistreated in some way or just
Speaker 9: being disrespected. Often it's a feeling of disrespect And yeah,
Speaker 9: what you said is exactly right. Is there some way
Speaker 9: we can acknowledge that they felt wronged? We need some
Speaker 9: sort of ritual that allows them to come back to
Speaker 9: work save face. But I don't think we're doing that well.
Speaker 9: That things are turning into real big legal battles.
Speaker 3: I get the impression that HI will panic if somebody
Speaker 3: goes to them with a complaint about you know, it's
Speaker 3: usually a boss, but also a fellow employee. First thing
Speaker 3: they're going to do is think, well, okay, where's this
Speaker 3: going to leave us? And I think that mentality has
Speaker 3: got to go out of the equation that you're going
Speaker 3: to have to have someone whose job is not just
Speaker 3: to protect the company, but to protect the mental health
Speaker 3: of the company.
Speaker 6: That's true.
Speaker 9: I think there's a much more awareness of that psychosocial
Speaker 9: risk bield.
Speaker 7: So you're right, and I think we can handle it better.
Speaker 9: But in the most fundamental thing now, arguably the government's
Speaker 9: going too far in New South Wales.
Speaker 7: Whether they're kind of almost trying to shut this out altogether.
Speaker 9: Which will hurt a lot of peop people who are
Speaker 9: genuinely suffering, but it does just raise this issue that
Speaker 9: you and I are talking about. Well, I think this
Speaker 9: can be handled better, And much of it is exactly
Speaker 9: what you said, that there's a legal pathway that is
Speaker 9: not allowing it's not giving space for just ordinary acknowledgment,
Speaker 9: you know, just kind of letting someone feel heard, just
Speaker 9: acknowledging their distress of feeling wronged, and that could potentially
Speaker 9: save gazillions of dolls absolutely.
Speaker 7: And improve all sorts of suffering.
Speaker 3: I'm speaking as a layman here. I don't think that
Speaker 3: you're legally obligated to say to the employee, Okay, you
Speaker 3: were wronged. That's minefield, which is your terrain. But I
Speaker 3: think that again, the acknowledgment to the employee going you
Speaker 3: actually were wronged here, this person is going to apologize
Speaker 3: to you. We just want you to feel safe in
Speaker 3: your workplace.
Speaker 7: That's exactly right, Phil.
Speaker 9: So there's room for new rituals here, new kind of
Speaker 9: workplace rituals, new kind of legal rituals that marry the
Speaker 9: mental health with the law.
Speaker 7: And I think this is the ideal space of it.
Speaker 7: Consider what that might look like.
Speaker 3: Good to talk to you, mate, Thank you so much,
Speaker 3: and it's really interesting some of the stuff that you
Speaker 3: brought there. Doctor Tanvia Ahmet also on two GB, but
Speaker 3: there the psychiatrist and social commentator talking about the psychological
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Speaker 3: Great win last night for the Queenslanders. Of course Peter
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Speaker 3: didn't get the chance to talk about Shark, so I'll
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