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S1: Hey, come on. You shouldn't really be in here.

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S2: And a very good evening to you, too.

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S3: Every vote must be counted.

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S4: Well, I mean, it is kind of a nice idea,

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S4: you know, all the different people together. Nothing matters.

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S5: Nothing fucking matters. Dad's dead, and the country's just a

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S6: To my critics, I am not a demagogue.

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UU: I. I'm a defender of democracy.

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S7: Welcome to the Drop and our Succession Recap podcast. I'm

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S7: Osman Farooqi. I'm here with Thomas Mitchell and Mel Cambrai

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S7: to break down Episode eight of Succession Season four. How

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S7: are you guys doing?

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S8: Not as good as you in Rome.

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S7: Yeah, I am in Rome. If anything sounds slightly different.

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S7: That is why for a special little project that we

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S7: will be sharing on the drop next week actually. And yeah,

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S7: I do feel mildly Roy esque hanging out in Rome

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S7: while we record this podcast. I was going to say,

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S7: Two things I love in this world. It's prestige, like

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S7: Eyes. It's often me. The episode was actually pretty dark.

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S8: Part of me wondered whether, like the barb was not

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S7: The very cozy relationship between politicians on all sides and

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S7: They're anti Jared Mencken. They've got a direct line into

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S9: That's why and I know this will no doubt trigger you, Mel,

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S9: this episode. He got the start. He was like, Let

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S9: me speak to Daniel.

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S16: Hey, Kendall.

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S17: Hey, Dan Hey, man. Good luck. Just. Just best of luck. Thanks, man.

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S9: I hope someone wins this election. And his name is Daniel.

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S4: And May the best man who will protect American jobs

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S9: But he knew that they had to also keep Mencken onside.

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S18: My eyes are.

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S8: So wrong here. All he was was like, this was

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S8: I call this sad Kendall, because he does that thing

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S8: just goes back to what I've always said. He's unstable. Yeah,

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S8: But also he didn't have a value system, so he's

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S9: Also because he misses his daughters. It's so.

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S7: We get too deep on the on the character analysis,

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S7: I want to talk a bit about not to bring

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S9: Rome with you right.

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S18: Now. Should we go?

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S9: Should we go for that three days?

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S8: She might be soon with those kind of compliments.

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S7: I do think that the show through a lot of

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S7: West Wing, and I want to know how you think

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S7: that would go down with audiences like Jesse Armstrong has

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S7: This is funny and interesting, but there's a knowledge of

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S7: I kind of don't even know what happened? What the

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S7: hell is is Milwaukee a state or a city? Like,

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S7: what's going on?

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S8: I think it was I think even an every person

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S7: On Thomas's wife then.

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S9: Even the lowest common denominator. No, But I also think

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S9: I was like, wait a minute. Like this is a

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S9: I think it's not confusing enough that it will totally

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S8: I feel like lately Thomas and I have just been

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S9: Yeah, there's a lot of Schrodinger's cat chat today at work. Yeah.

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S9: I was hoping.

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S8: You might be able to explain that to Thomas.

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S18: Well, when we get.

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S7: To that, what it was. Oh, Thomas knows. Thomas, Why

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S18: I will when we get to it.

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S7: Let's start our character sort of chat by focusing on Tom.

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S7: I feel like in a way, he was kind of

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S7: state of mind. He was listening to Greg, all the

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S7: the left. He's got some other network coming for him

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S7: on the right. He's got crazy owners who want to

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S7: kill him, and he has to deliver the biggest ratings

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S7: numbers ever. Doing coke at the beginning of election night

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S7: than we've seen him before, to a point where, like

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S7: Kendall told him to like, fucking watch himself. Right. Like

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S7: when he had a go at Shiv. How do you

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S7: guys think he went? Did he manage to juggle all

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S9: I actually thought he did a bit of both at

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S9: He gives this like long, kind of like all the

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S9: Okay, so he started off very chaotic and he was clearly, like,

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S9: I thought he was quite strong in being like, You

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S9: can't be on the floor, you can't be on the floor.

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S9: Like he was not having them down there, you know,

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S9: of like started to stand up. But it was a

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S9: strange episode for Tom, and I'm sure we'll talk about this. But,

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S9: you know, he was very cold in his big moment

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S9: with Shiv. But generally I'm giving him like a it

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S9: a B-plus.

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S8: Oh, my gosh. I love Tom in this episode so much.

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S8: I thought he was so much fun. And also, firstly,

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S8: he's had to back it up. We know he was

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S8: already very tired and I actually think the actor looked

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S8: idea that we don't see these characters do much actual work,

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S8: which is realistic. The higher up the chain you get,

448
00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,400
S8: the further you get from the tools of production.

449
00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:43,989
S7: Yeah, I want to get promoted to that level where

450
00:19:43,990 --> 00:19:45,310
S7: you don't actually have to do any work and you

451
00:19:45,310 --> 00:19:47,590
S7: just sort of make phone calls. That's a great job.

452
00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,270
S9: You just you're just looking for new green.

453
00:19:49,270 --> 00:19:49,900
S18: Screens.

454
00:19:50,350 --> 00:19:53,050
S8: And yeah, so I loved seeing Tom on the floor

455
00:19:53,109 --> 00:19:55,870
S8: having to do actual work. And he's like freaking out

456
00:19:55,869 --> 00:19:58,780
S8: about the touch screens not working. And I loved seeing him. Like,

457
00:19:58,780 --> 00:20:01,510
S8: he's managing down like Pam and him are not getting on.

458
00:20:01,510 --> 00:20:03,580
S8: And then there's this one moment where he's speaking to

459
00:20:03,580 --> 00:20:06,460
S8: the siblings and you hear him desperately say, Not micromanaging.

460
00:20:06,490 --> 00:20:07,420
S1: Tom, Tom, please.

461
00:20:07,900 --> 00:20:11,320
S8: Stop micromanaging me. So he's like managing up. I like

462
00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,240
S8: seeing him actually do the work. Yeah.

463
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,730
S7: And I think it is quite stressful to have such

464
00:20:15,730 --> 00:20:19,420
S7: a political job with three different siblings who all think

465
00:20:19,420 --> 00:20:21,400
S7: that they're kind of in control. One of them is

466
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,280
S7: your wife that you're in this really stressful relationship with.

467
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,380
S7: And he was kind of it reminded me of him

468
00:20:26,380 --> 00:20:29,380
S7: on that plane like he is when Logan died. He

469
00:20:29,380 --> 00:20:31,480
S7: is kind of competent in a way, like he can

470
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,659
S7: manage the flow of information and get stuff done. I

471
00:20:34,660 --> 00:20:36,640
S7: was a bit worried the first half of this episode

472
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,910
S7: that it was not going to grapple with that emotional

473
00:20:39,910 --> 00:20:43,000
S7: fallout from his big fight with Shiv because it we

474
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,850
S7: just we saw them interacting. We saw her and Tom

475
00:20:45,850 --> 00:20:48,220
S7: on screen together, but we didn't get a sense of

476
00:20:48,220 --> 00:20:50,830
S7: where things are at. But then they have that confrontation

477
00:20:50,830 --> 00:20:53,440
S7: in a hallway where she sort of pulls him aside,

478
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,910
S7: tries to apologize against her shifting of I went too far.

479
00:20:57,910 --> 00:21:00,250
S7: I don't really care about you, but it's technically helpful

480
00:21:00,250 --> 00:21:02,020
S7: for me to have you on my side. So let's

481
00:21:02,020 --> 00:21:05,350
S7: try and apologize. And he is having none of it.

482
00:21:05,350 --> 00:21:08,800
S7: Like that was, I think, kind of revealing that she's

483
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,889
S7: giving him an olive branch and he spits in her

484
00:21:11,890 --> 00:21:15,760
S7: face like the the line about how he responded when

485
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,500
S7: she told him she had a kid like Thomas. That

486
00:21:17,500 --> 00:21:18,820
S7: was that was brutal.

487
00:21:18,820 --> 00:21:21,430
S9: That was so brutal. And, you know, I fall into

488
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:23,260
S9: this trap all the time, a succession. But again, I

489
00:21:23,260 --> 00:21:26,830
S9: was like, oh, I feel for Shiv here. Like she

490
00:21:26,830 --> 00:21:28,730
S9: tells him in this, like rush of information, you know,

491
00:21:28,750 --> 00:21:30,939
S9: I'm pregnant, it's your child. And he says, like, is

492
00:21:30,940 --> 00:21:33,010
S9: that even true? Is that a new position or a tactic?

493
00:21:33,010 --> 00:21:36,040
S9: And at that moment, she genuinely looks like shattered by

494
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,050
S9: that response, like. We know that this has been kind

495
00:21:38,050 --> 00:21:40,780
S9: of eating her up along with everything else and putting

496
00:21:40,780 --> 00:21:43,869
S9: aside all of the noise and everything that goes on

497
00:21:43,869 --> 00:21:46,630
S9: with them that did feel like a genuinely vulnerable moment

498
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:50,859
S9: for her. And he just, like crushed her. Yeah, I

499
00:21:50,859 --> 00:21:52,480
S9: found that hard to watch. And I found that like

500
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,719
S9: an unattractive side of Tom from scams. Like, I know

501
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,300
S9: you think she's the worst person. She is your scorpion.

502
00:21:58,300 --> 00:22:01,389
S9: But like, surely when you've known someone inside out for

503
00:22:01,390 --> 00:22:03,190
S9: however many years they've been together, you can tell when

504
00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:04,870
S9: they're really opening up. I think I've.

505
00:22:04,869 --> 00:22:06,940
S8: Got a bit more of a cynical take on it. Like,

506
00:22:06,940 --> 00:22:10,210
S8: I think Shiv, when that conversation starts, she's getting nothing

507
00:22:10,210 --> 00:22:12,280
S8: out of him. And we know that their relationship is

508
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,860
S8: this really fiery back and forth and he's just kind

509
00:22:14,859 --> 00:22:17,380
S8: of shut down. He's giving nothing to her. So she

510
00:22:17,380 --> 00:22:20,890
S8: brings out this information, I think, to kind of break

511
00:22:20,890 --> 00:22:23,350
S8: that wall that he has put up. I saw it

512
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:26,410
S8: as actually like obviously, she did seem genuinely hurt when

513
00:22:26,410 --> 00:22:28,540
S8: he responded that way. But I did see that as

514
00:22:28,540 --> 00:22:32,169
S8: her desperate attempt to reconnect with Tom by offering something

515
00:22:32,170 --> 00:22:35,290
S8: that she knows he wants so much, which is a child.

516
00:22:35,290 --> 00:22:37,120
S8: But I did really like because we were talking last

517
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,420
S8: week about how she kept describing everything as a tactical move,

518
00:22:40,420 --> 00:22:43,720
S8: and then he reused that word directly against her, which

519
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,060
S8: I thought was quite a nice throwback to it.

520
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:50,560
S7: The dynamic between the siblings in this episode was at

521
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,380
S7: its absolute peak, I think, in terms of saying the

522
00:22:53,380 --> 00:22:56,560
S7: games within games, right? Like nominally these guys are all

523
00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,070
S7: still supposed to be together. Like whenever they catch up together,

524
00:23:00,070 --> 00:23:02,050
S7: they're all like on the same page. But then the

525
00:23:02,050 --> 00:23:04,899
S7: second they leave the room, they're doing their own sort

526
00:23:04,900 --> 00:23:07,600
S7: of thing. So they're all supposed to be trying to

527
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,750
S7: stop the Gojo merger. We know that Shiv is not

528
00:23:10,750 --> 00:23:13,659
S7: involved in that anymore. She's built this alliance with Madison

529
00:23:13,660 --> 00:23:15,909
S7: and sort of done the deal with the Swedish devil.

530
00:23:15,910 --> 00:23:19,389
S7: Roman and Kendall then are kind of, again, nominally the

531
00:23:19,390 --> 00:23:22,960
S7: two co-CEOs running the show. But we know that Kendall's

532
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,570
S7: already said that he's going to basically screw Roman over

533
00:23:25,570 --> 00:23:29,050
S7: and try and do a reverse takeover, pillage the village.

534
00:23:29,380 --> 00:23:32,230
S7: ET cetera. And we also know that Roman is much

535
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:35,500
S7: closer to Jared Minkin than Kendall is. There is such

536
00:23:35,500 --> 00:23:38,650
S7: a fascinating web of tension there. And there was one

537
00:23:38,650 --> 00:23:41,020
S7: particular scene, I think, like towards the end of the

538
00:23:41,020 --> 00:23:44,500
S7: episode where they're all in a room debating what they

539
00:23:44,500 --> 00:23:49,570
S7: should do with the call and everyone's base primal motivations

540
00:23:49,570 --> 00:23:52,960
S7: came out there. It just seems like it's hard for

541
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,169
S7: these guys to do anything like a reconciliation with the

542
00:23:56,170 --> 00:23:58,119
S7: two episodes that we've got left.

543
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,399
S9: Yeah, I think you're probably right like that. That scene

544
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,290
S9: in the room when they're basically making the call in

545
00:24:02,290 --> 00:24:07,240
S9: Wisconsin was probably one of the hottest scenes in succession

546
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,030
S9: like and you're and you're so right like it's so

547
00:24:10,030 --> 00:24:12,250
S9: rare for a show and you know 60 Minutes like

548
00:24:12,250 --> 00:24:15,520
S9: every like combination of siblings had an incredible moment with

549
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,700
S9: the other combinations. It was just like all of them

550
00:24:18,700 --> 00:24:21,520
S9: were were out for it. And that particular scene just

551
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,830
S9: kind of laid it all bare. I don't really see

552
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:25,869
S9: a way back for the siblings, like in terms of

553
00:24:26,020 --> 00:24:28,030
S9: definitely won't be on the same team again. But that

554
00:24:28,030 --> 00:24:31,210
S9: felt like the biggest breaking point because it felt, you know,

555
00:24:31,210 --> 00:24:33,280
S9: all of their self-interest was obvious. But also there was

556
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,020
S9: like a lot of ideological stuff there. And whether or

557
00:24:35,020 --> 00:24:36,340
S9: not you put too much value in it or you

558
00:24:36,340 --> 00:24:38,560
S9: think they're all just like using it as a cover,

559
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,320
S9: it still felt like that was the moment for the kids.

560
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:45,100
S9: That was the last will ever see of them being siblings. Yeah.

561
00:24:45,100 --> 00:24:46,780
S8: And I thought you saw the whole with the three

562
00:24:46,780 --> 00:24:48,430
S8: of them all in one place. You saw all their

563
00:24:48,430 --> 00:24:52,359
S8: kind of business styles brought to the fore. Roman's kind

564
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,200
S8: of recklessness, which maybe played out in his favor. Kendall's

565
00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:00,280
S8: kind of dithering, and Schiff's strategy, which was ultimately to

566
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,429
S8: kind of walk a tightrope wire between the two camps,

567
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:06,160
S8: and she ended up falling. You saw it all the way.

568
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,950
S8: They've kind of handled this situation all really obviously put

569
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:10,540
S8: in front of you when you saw them all together

570
00:25:10,540 --> 00:25:11,139
S8: like that.

571
00:25:11,140 --> 00:25:12,879
S7: I want to ask you guys what you think about

572
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,360
S7: that fight between Roman and Shiv, where Shiv is kind

573
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,030
S7: of imploring them to not do it because of the

574
00:25:19,030 --> 00:25:23,290
S7: political consequences? We know that Shiv has a history working

575
00:25:23,290 --> 00:25:27,910
S7: with progressive political candidates. She's flagged earlier in this season

576
00:25:27,910 --> 00:25:30,580
S7: that she is really worried about where things are going

577
00:25:30,580 --> 00:25:33,369
S7: and you've got to draw a line somewhere. But at

578
00:25:33,369 --> 00:25:35,739
S7: the end of the day, like she's still part of

579
00:25:35,740 --> 00:25:39,070
S7: this whole institution, She's not really willing to step outside.

580
00:25:39,070 --> 00:25:43,240
S7: How much of her concern about the result is actually

581
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,060
S7: based on her real political beliefs, if she has them,

582
00:25:46,060 --> 00:25:50,140
S7: versus her desire to keep the Gojo merger happening?

583
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,630
S8: I think it's again, I think I have a cynical

584
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:54,219
S8: approach to Shiv at the moment. Maybe I'm a bit

585
00:25:54,220 --> 00:25:56,980
S8: like Tom. I feel the trust has been broken. Everything's

586
00:25:56,980 --> 00:25:57,490
S8: a tactic.

587
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:58,629
S18: Who hurt you Mill here?

588
00:26:00,130 --> 00:26:02,169
S8: And she does say when she calls Mattson to update

589
00:26:02,170 --> 00:26:04,270
S8: him and I obviously we need to reserve some time

590
00:26:04,270 --> 00:26:07,120
S8: to talk about the pants he was wearing. They were fantastic.

591
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:08,830
S8: And the fact he used his finger is a little

592
00:26:08,830 --> 00:26:11,230
S8: stirring stick of his string because that great move. I

593
00:26:11,230 --> 00:26:12,880
S8: know you guys are big fans of him.

594
00:26:13,390 --> 00:26:14,160
S18: Thank you. Thank you, man.

595
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,270
S7: Always happy to talk about his pants.

596
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,660
S8: When she's on the phone to him. She says it's

597
00:26:19,660 --> 00:26:22,240
S8: good for democracy, but it's great for us. And I

598
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,940
S8: think that kind of sums up her position.

599
00:26:24,940 --> 00:26:28,120
S9: Yeah, I think I'm still like less cynical. I think,

600
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,960
S9: you know, for all her self-interest, again, I mean, maybe Sarah,

601
00:26:32,170 --> 00:26:33,760
S9: just a really good actress, which we know she is,

602
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,949
S9: but like she really sold me like she seemed to

603
00:26:35,950 --> 00:26:40,310
S9: be like at. Most pleading like base level, like, come on, guys. Like,

604
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:42,679
S9: we know we all talk shit and we love to

605
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,109
S9: do this. Like, I'm going to stuff a million dicks

606
00:26:45,109 --> 00:26:46,910
S9: down your throat if we don't, blah, blah, blah. But

607
00:26:46,910 --> 00:26:48,350
S9: like this, at the end of the day, this is

608
00:26:48,350 --> 00:26:49,790
S9: not a game. Like they all kind of did it

609
00:26:49,790 --> 00:26:51,260
S9: to each other a few times, but it was so

610
00:26:51,260 --> 00:26:53,840
S9: much like bringing back of Logan. Like not even Dad

611
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,850
S9: would do this. Even Dad had a line. Like she

612
00:26:55,850 --> 00:27:00,140
S9: was like, We cannot choose fascism and choose this crazy

613
00:27:00,140 --> 00:27:03,320
S9: right wing candidate just because it's going to benefit our deal.

614
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,240
S9: Like this is going too far. We have to rein

615
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:05,930
S9: it in now.

616
00:27:05,930 --> 00:27:08,780
S8: But to be honest, she could have done that months,

617
00:27:08,780 --> 00:27:12,139
S8: years ago. Like, it's not like ATM suddenly became right wing.

618
00:27:12,140 --> 00:27:15,590
S8: We've seen this manifesting over episodes and episodes. So if

619
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:18,440
S8: she was genuine, why, Why now on election eve when

620
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,570
S8: the votes of the polls have closed, the votes have

621
00:27:20,570 --> 00:27:21,320
S8: been counted.

622
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,300
S9: I guess it's all kind of though like materialized in

623
00:27:23,300 --> 00:27:26,119
S9: this one Wisconsin decision where it comes to represent everything,

624
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,270
S9: like if we call it, we are like fully hedging

625
00:27:29,270 --> 00:27:32,300
S9: our bets on this decision. And if we don't, then

626
00:27:32,300 --> 00:27:34,820
S9: we can kind of like save the future of this country.

627
00:27:34,820 --> 00:27:37,940
S7: Yeah, the way that I sort of I think about

628
00:27:37,940 --> 00:27:40,430
S7: that is Roman is clearly like out with making like

629
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,429
S7: Roman might not have politics. He might just be like quite,

630
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:45,930
S7: I think, sexually obsessed with Joe Lincoln. If he does

631
00:27:45,930 --> 00:27:48,379
S7: have politics, they seem to be pretty far right as well.

632
00:27:48,530 --> 00:27:51,850
S7: Kendall and Shiv, I feel like there's something, you know,

633
00:27:51,859 --> 00:27:54,830
S7: that that kind of want to see themselves as part

634
00:27:54,830 --> 00:27:58,940
S7: of this, like more liberal, cool, progressive class of people.

635
00:27:58,940 --> 00:28:03,139
S7: But every time they have an opportunity to sacrifice their

636
00:28:03,140 --> 00:28:07,070
S7: own personal gain to help that cause, they they don't

637
00:28:07,070 --> 00:28:10,280
S7: take it right. Like Kendall at the start of this

638
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,760
S7: episode is again reminded of the consequences of electing Jared

639
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,669
S7: Mankin on his family, on his daughter. And that could

640
00:28:16,670 --> 00:28:19,189
S7: be a thing that just completely overrides everything else. He

641
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:23,270
S7: could say, Hey, we're going to back Jimenez and we're

642
00:28:23,270 --> 00:28:25,189
S7: not going to play this game with Jared Menken, But

643
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:27,590
S7: he doesn't do that. And ultimately he comes down on

644
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:30,020
S7: the side of Menken, regardless of what that would mean

645
00:28:30,020 --> 00:28:33,920
S7: for his family. Shiv Similarly, like Shiv during that episode

646
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:38,210
S7: in season three, when Logan is like anointing Menken and

647
00:28:38,210 --> 00:28:40,850
S7: there's that fight between him and Shiv where he wants

648
00:28:40,850 --> 00:28:43,370
S7: Shiv in the photo and Shiv is like, I don't

649
00:28:43,370 --> 00:28:44,630
S7: want to be in the photo because you want anything

650
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:45,770
S7: to do with this family. You've got to be in

651
00:28:45,770 --> 00:28:49,550
S7: the photo. So Shiv is willing to sacrifice those principles

652
00:28:49,550 --> 00:28:51,950
S7: for her own gain. And again, in this episode, the

653
00:28:51,950 --> 00:28:54,770
S7: one we've just seen, she threatens to leak stuff and

654
00:28:54,770 --> 00:28:57,470
S7: blow it up. But again, she decides, I'll cop it

655
00:28:57,470 --> 00:28:59,930
S7: and I'll play my internal game with Mattson because I

656
00:28:59,930 --> 00:29:02,690
S7: want ATN to exist in some capacity because that's where

657
00:29:02,690 --> 00:29:05,300
S7: my strength comes from. Like there is an instinct for

658
00:29:05,300 --> 00:29:08,840
S7: them to be cool, but they are always being pushed

659
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,140
S7: back towards like the selfishness. I think that's, that's my

660
00:29:12,140 --> 00:29:13,100
S7: takeaway from the EP.

661
00:29:13,100 --> 00:29:15,620
S8: And I think this is why Kendall is so cooked

662
00:29:15,620 --> 00:29:18,560
S8: really in a way, because to win in business, I

663
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,520
S8: think you probably have to be cutthroat and put business

664
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,450
S8: instincts above everything else, which is required for him to

665
00:29:26,450 --> 00:29:31,100
S8: lead waystar to success potentially. Versus yeah, this idea that

666
00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:33,770
S8: he wants to be the good guy. And so he's

667
00:29:33,770 --> 00:29:37,040
S8: always torn between those two things and what makes him

668
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,320
S8: a success in one field is what's making him a

669
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,200
S8: failure in the other and and vice versa. So he's

670
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,930
S8: kind of built this rod for himself that he can't

671
00:29:44,930 --> 00:29:45,770
S8: get out of.

672
00:29:45,770 --> 00:29:47,300
S9: Yeah, but then the irony I think about all of

673
00:29:47,300 --> 00:29:50,660
S9: it is that like ultimately what sends Kendall over the edge?

674
00:29:50,660 --> 00:29:53,120
S9: Because essentially it really comes down to Kendall because we've

675
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,640
S9: got like Roman. So clearly teen men can shiv so

676
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,430
S9: clearly Team Jimenez and then Kendall is the one who's like,

677
00:29:58,430 --> 00:30:00,890
S9: you know, two and throwing the entire episode. And then

678
00:30:00,890 --> 00:30:05,330
S9: when he finds out from Greg that she has betrayed

679
00:30:05,330 --> 00:30:08,540
S9: them with Madison, that betrayal stings so bad and comes

680
00:30:08,540 --> 00:30:10,730
S9: back to like, really the only like, you know, he

681
00:30:10,730 --> 00:30:12,650
S9: claims to care about his daughter. The really the only

682
00:30:12,650 --> 00:30:15,290
S9: family that really matters to them, the siblings and their

683
00:30:15,290 --> 00:30:18,050
S9: father like that's that's the nuclear unit. And when he

684
00:30:18,050 --> 00:30:20,450
S9: finds out that he's been betrayed by his sister, that's

685
00:30:20,450 --> 00:30:22,100
S9: what pushes him over. He comes back into the room

686
00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:24,170
S9: and he's like, we're with Menken. We're we're calling it

687
00:30:24,170 --> 00:30:26,360
S9: for Menken because it's like, you know, that that family

688
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,150
S9: betrayal like that cuts him really deep. And so, you know,

689
00:30:29,150 --> 00:30:32,450
S9: family does matter. It's just like which family we're talking about.

690
00:30:32,450 --> 00:30:35,090
S7: Yeah, that's a really good point. I think that moment

691
00:30:35,090 --> 00:30:38,780
S7: where Kendall almost uses Shiv as a therapist was quite

692
00:30:38,780 --> 00:30:40,850
S7: interesting as well. He says, I'm just going to be

693
00:30:40,850 --> 00:30:43,610
S7: honest with you. Like, this is my actual like, thoughts

694
00:30:43,610 --> 00:30:45,950
S7: about this. I am thinking about cutting you guys out.

695
00:30:45,950 --> 00:30:48,800
S7: That's like pretty honest. I am worried about Roman because

696
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,390
S7: of how close he is to make, and that's pretty

697
00:30:50,390 --> 00:30:52,760
S7: honest and it's almost opportunity. Like, I don't know if

698
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,580
S7: Shiv could have avoided that result if she'd said to him, Hey,

699
00:30:55,580 --> 00:30:57,080
S7: I've got something I need to be honest with you

700
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,530
S7: about as well. But it might have avoided the situation

701
00:31:00,530 --> 00:31:02,180
S7: that we saw at the end of the episode, and

702
00:31:02,180 --> 00:31:04,340
S7: he is just so pissed off that he spilled his

703
00:31:04,340 --> 00:31:05,690
S7: guts and she didn't give him anything.

704
00:31:05,690 --> 00:31:07,760
S9: I wondered about that scene, if he was like if

705
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,580
S9: that was him trying to test her on Madison. I thought,

706
00:31:10,580 --> 00:31:13,010
S9: is he trying to suss her out and be like,

707
00:31:13,010 --> 00:31:14,660
S9: you know, because we're all in on I think he says,

708
00:31:14,660 --> 00:31:17,000
S9: we're like, We're all in on Madison. Yeah. And she's like, Yeah, like,

709
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,410
S9: I wonder if he was kind of like, sussing out.

710
00:31:18,410 --> 00:31:20,900
S9: Sussing out. Oh, okay. I think maybe she might be

711
00:31:20,900 --> 00:31:23,390
S9: playing us. And then soon after that he learns. But

712
00:31:23,390 --> 00:31:25,460
S9: that was a great scene. And I think when he's like,

713
00:31:25,460 --> 00:31:27,800
S9: I don't know, does the poison drip through? Yeah. I

714
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:28,880
S9: was like, Oh.

715
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:29,210
S18: That's.

716
00:31:29,210 --> 00:31:30,800
S9: A feel for him So bad.

717
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,200
S8: I loved when they were watching you. You saw Shiv

718
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,380
S8: inside that glass room and you could see her looking out.

719
00:31:36,430 --> 00:31:39,850
S8: At at Kendall and Greg talking and it was so

720
00:31:39,850 --> 00:31:42,489
S8: tense and you could just see everything was hanging in

721
00:31:42,490 --> 00:31:43,630
S8: the balance in that moment.

722
00:31:43,630 --> 00:31:44,980
S9: Yeah, there's nothing worse, you know, when you've told a

723
00:31:44,980 --> 00:31:47,110
S9: lie and you're like watching in real time yourself, be

724
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:48,760
S9: caught out, it's fucking excruciating.

725
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,830
S7: It was. It was the best thing I've ever seen

726
00:31:50,830 --> 00:31:53,710
S7: like that on TV. And and her stuttering, her inability

727
00:31:53,710 --> 00:31:55,590
S7: to say anything. It's. You've been caught out in a lie.

728
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,930
S7: The consequences are massive. And you have literally nothing to say.

729
00:31:58,930 --> 00:31:59,290
S7: But you.

730
00:31:59,290 --> 00:31:59,860
S11: Lied.

731
00:32:00,730 --> 00:32:01,120
S19: Right?

732
00:32:01,750 --> 00:32:05,170
S11: She didn't get anything from Nate. Really? She didn't speak tonight.

733
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:06,969
S11: And she's in with Madison.

734
00:32:07,660 --> 00:32:08,400
S5: Sorry. What?

735
00:32:08,410 --> 00:32:09,880
S20: No, I.

736
00:32:10,180 --> 00:32:13,060
S7: Felt like it's not even a lie that you can

737
00:32:13,060 --> 00:32:16,540
S7: come up with an excuse for. It's her acting. What

738
00:32:16,540 --> 00:32:18,910
S7: she can do with her face and her stutters and

739
00:32:18,910 --> 00:32:21,640
S7: stuff is super, super special. Yeah.

740
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:22,810
S9: She's weaponized the stutter.

741
00:32:22,810 --> 00:32:24,820
S21: No, no, no, no, no.

742
00:32:24,820 --> 00:32:29,500
S22: I was. I fucking asked you some real questions, Shiv.

743
00:32:29,500 --> 00:32:31,150
S22: I wondered why you look like a goose trying to

744
00:32:31,150 --> 00:32:32,980
S22: shit a house brick, you piece of dirt.

745
00:32:32,980 --> 00:32:36,340
S7: We haven't spent a lot of this season talking about

746
00:32:36,430 --> 00:32:39,280
S7: Greg specifically, but I think we've got to spend a

747
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,130
S7: couple of minutes talking about where he's. Where he's at

748
00:32:42,130 --> 00:32:45,760
S7: because he, after spending firstly, this stamina on this guy, right?

749
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,540
S7: Like out with Madison all night partying looks pretty good.

750
00:32:49,540 --> 00:32:51,700
S7: You know, it's kind of running the show is, you know,

751
00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:54,460
S7: doing maybe a tiny bump or pretending to with Tom.

752
00:32:54,460 --> 00:32:56,590
S7: He's at the center of it. All right. He's got

753
00:32:56,590 --> 00:32:59,920
S7: this close relationship with Madison. He sussed out that he's

754
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:02,530
S7: working with Shiv. He's still being seen as pretty trustworthy

755
00:33:02,530 --> 00:33:07,750
S7: and reliable by Tom and Kendall as well. It's like

756
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:10,330
S7: he's the last man standing in a way.

757
00:33:10,330 --> 00:33:12,340
S8: I was thinking as I was watching this, like part

758
00:33:12,340 --> 00:33:15,760
S8: of the reason Greg has got this Madison spilled this

759
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,700
S8: information to him. And it's because Greg has this really

760
00:33:18,700 --> 00:33:22,000
S8: disarming effect and because people don't take him seriously, they

761
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,850
S8: seem to. And that was shivs misstep in this episode two,

762
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,180
S8: She didn't take him seriously. People seem to confess to him.

763
00:33:28,180 --> 00:33:31,210
S8: And I think Madison calls him a normal and that's

764
00:33:31,210 --> 00:33:33,190
S8: all how they kind of view him. And I think

765
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:35,650
S8: in this, it was pretty interesting. You saw things have

766
00:33:35,650 --> 00:33:38,410
S8: happened to him rather than him actively making them happen

767
00:33:38,410 --> 00:33:41,620
S8: while everyone else has sought power. It's kind of landed

768
00:33:41,620 --> 00:33:45,400
S8: in his lap through these unexpected measures. But I thought

769
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,310
S8: Tom's advice to him, which later came to bear when

770
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:51,220
S8: he threw Shiv under the bus, that, you know, information

771
00:33:51,220 --> 00:33:53,500
S8: is like a fine wine pick when you use it

772
00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:56,080
S8: and then smash someone in the face with it. He

773
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,300
S8: obviously listened to that advice and it played out in

774
00:33:58,300 --> 00:33:59,260
S8: this episode.

775
00:33:59,290 --> 00:34:02,530
S9: Yeah, this was like MVP times for Greg. It was

776
00:34:02,530 --> 00:34:04,510
S9: so good because it's just something about perfectly. Greg is

777
00:34:04,510 --> 00:34:06,760
S9: the man that does buy the bodega sushi, but he's

778
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,560
S9: also the man that pushes the button, that changes the

779
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:09,430
S9: shape of democracy.

780
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:13,570
S7: And I think he deliberately pushed that container with wasabi

781
00:34:13,570 --> 00:34:15,879
S7: on it to try and screw over Darwin. I feel

782
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,640
S7: like that was pretty deliberate because otherwise, why was it

783
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,430
S7: so much chat about Greg buying Wasabi? Why was Greg

784
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:23,140
S7: eating wasabi in that scene? You go back and you

785
00:34:23,140 --> 00:34:26,020
S7: rewatch that scene and the signs are there. There. Greg

786
00:34:26,020 --> 00:34:29,650
S7: was trying to stop Darwin from making the wrong call

787
00:34:29,980 --> 00:34:32,630
S7: on behalf of his alliances and I thought.

788
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:33,819
S9: I think there was a shot where they show him

789
00:34:33,820 --> 00:34:37,060
S9: kind of edge it towards him as well. Yeah. And Greg.

790
00:34:37,060 --> 00:34:38,890
S9: Greg it's good to see him like back in the

791
00:34:38,890 --> 00:34:41,560
S9: action proper and not just like, you know, the comedic

792
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:42,250
S9: fall guy.

793
00:34:42,730 --> 00:34:45,730
S8: So he must have the biggest suit, like he's been

794
00:34:45,730 --> 00:34:47,969
S8: like he's had to do some awful things like, like

795
00:34:47,980 --> 00:34:51,550
S8: when he says that Madsen treated him abominably. So he's

796
00:34:51,550 --> 00:34:54,460
S8: got a suit against Mattson. Tom's making him do coke.

797
00:34:54,460 --> 00:34:57,280
S8: Shiv is kind of having a bit of sexual innuendo

798
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:58,420
S8: with him in a closet.

799
00:34:58,540 --> 00:35:00,730
S7: He does have dirt on every single person.

800
00:35:00,730 --> 00:35:02,739
S9: Yeah, he really does. And talking about like the great

801
00:35:02,739 --> 00:35:05,170
S9: facial acting in this episode when after he's had the

802
00:35:05,170 --> 00:35:07,870
S9: chat with Kendall and Kendall's going back inside to blow

803
00:35:07,870 --> 00:35:10,540
S9: up Shiv, she looks out to the glass office and

804
00:35:10,540 --> 00:35:12,340
S9: he walks back and he just like, does these, like,

805
00:35:12,340 --> 00:35:15,400
S9: raised eyebrows. And it's amazing. It's just like, well, like,

806
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:16,960
S9: what did you fucking expect me to do?

807
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,649
S7: That brings us to the best lines of the episode,

808
00:35:24,650 --> 00:35:29,359
S7: because mine is one of Greg's because Greg talks about Lacroix.

809
00:35:29,390 --> 00:35:32,720
S7: I love Lacroix. I'm a big Lacroix guy. Ruby, our producer,

810
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,080
S7: is also a big Lacroix guy. I think she probably

811
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,020
S7: cheered when there was a Lacroix reference in this episode.

812
00:35:39,020 --> 00:35:42,049
S7: And this is when Greg is pouring the drink all

813
00:35:42,050 --> 00:35:45,920
S7: over Darwin's face to flush out the wasabi. And someone

814
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,290
S7: says it's lemonade, and he yells out it's Lacroix. It's

815
00:35:48,290 --> 00:35:49,400
S7: not that lemony, it's.

816
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,580
S23: Not that lemony. It's just a hint of lemon. Darwin.

817
00:35:54,110 --> 00:35:56,690
S7: And then a few minutes later we have Tom yelling back.

818
00:35:56,690 --> 00:36:01,130
S1: Greg, do not put any more lemon water or wasabi

819
00:36:01,130 --> 00:36:02,569
S1: in his eyes, okay?

820
00:36:03,260 --> 00:36:07,160
S7: It's incredible to have these just like absurd slapstick moments

821
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:11,029
S7: in a show that is so otherwise, like grim and heavy. Okay.

822
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,740
S8: I've never tried this drink. You've never had Lacroix.

823
00:36:12,770 --> 00:36:13,880
S18: It's like, are you having it?

824
00:36:13,940 --> 00:36:15,200
S7: I don't know where you can get it from. In

825
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,569
S7: the Sydney office. In the Melbourne office, there's like a

826
00:36:17,570 --> 00:36:20,989
S7: service station that has them Easy Mart, easy might have them.

827
00:36:21,170 --> 00:36:23,180
S7: Thank you. Thank you. Wonderful producer.

828
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:25,040
S9: You're lucky if the guys from the car are listening.

829
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,989
S9: This is like a mad sponsorship opportunity.

830
00:36:26,989 --> 00:36:29,330
S7: If you're not across it, it's basically like a lightly

831
00:36:29,330 --> 00:36:33,230
S7: sparkling water with flavors. It's zero calorie, so it's not

832
00:36:33,230 --> 00:36:35,810
S7: like drinking a self drink, but you get something fun

833
00:36:35,810 --> 00:36:37,009
S7: in your mouth.

834
00:36:38,210 --> 00:36:39,980
S18: But just a hint of it. Yeah. Okay.

835
00:36:39,980 --> 00:36:42,350
S8: If you bought it in your eye, do you think

836
00:36:42,350 --> 00:36:44,569
S8: your reaction would be what? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

837
00:36:44,570 --> 00:36:46,550
S7: No, no, I don't want to react. I don't want

838
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:47,150
S7: it in my eye.

839
00:36:47,630 --> 00:36:51,140
S18: Yeah. Fact check. I think you've got.

840
00:36:51,140 --> 00:36:53,330
S7: A you've got a food and drink related one as.

841
00:36:53,330 --> 00:36:55,700
S8: Well Mel. I do. This was I loved that Connor

842
00:36:55,700 --> 00:36:58,820
S8: came in to came into the show midway through he

843
00:36:58,820 --> 00:37:02,810
S8: passed on the ambassadorship. He now regrets that he's trying

844
00:37:02,810 --> 00:37:05,810
S8: to renegotiate a deal for himself and him and Willa

845
00:37:05,810 --> 00:37:08,630
S8: are talking about what they should do. And she says.

846
00:37:09,070 --> 00:37:13,160
S24: I mean, I'm torn. And he's very right wing.

847
00:37:15,489 --> 00:37:19,930
S25: But be honest for lunch. Venice for dinner.

848
00:37:20,410 --> 00:37:22,300
S26: And Dubrovnik for breakfast.

849
00:37:24,100 --> 00:37:27,489
S8: And I love that even on this smaller episode, you're

850
00:37:27,489 --> 00:37:31,239
S8: seeing these moral values go out the window in line

851
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,210
S8: for personal gain. And I also very much enjoy it

852
00:37:34,210 --> 00:37:36,610
S8: was in this scene as well. You know that aid

853
00:37:36,610 --> 00:37:37,900
S8: to him that we can. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

854
00:37:37,900 --> 00:37:38,690
S18: He kept calling.

855
00:37:39,260 --> 00:37:42,370
S8: Santas. He also appeared in this episode and you had

856
00:37:42,370 --> 00:37:45,460
S8: one line and it was if it's going to happen anywhere,

857
00:37:45,460 --> 00:37:47,169
S8: it's going to happen in Kentucky.

858
00:37:47,530 --> 00:37:50,600
S18: Which which feels incredible Talking fried chicken, that's like.

859
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,610
S8: Yes, exactly. I was like, maybe you are onto something.

860
00:37:54,700 --> 00:37:57,820
S7: Connor's knowledge of global geography in the last.

861
00:37:57,820 --> 00:37:58,810
S18: Two episodes.

862
00:37:58,810 --> 00:38:01,899
S7: Is absolutely astonishing. Like good on him for knowing the

863
00:38:01,900 --> 00:38:05,350
S7: capital cities of various Eastern European countries. And as we

864
00:38:05,350 --> 00:38:07,540
S7: said last week, his knowledge of the GDP of the

865
00:38:07,540 --> 00:38:10,239
S7: Middle East. Thomas, what have you got?

866
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,030
S9: Yes, weirdly, mine is also food related. So maybe we're

867
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:15,070
S9: all like a bit peckish. When we were watching this episode,

868
00:38:15,310 --> 00:38:18,640
S9: I thought this was a very funny exchange between like,

869
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,980
S9: I love when the kids are talking about things that

870
00:38:20,980 --> 00:38:24,339
S9: are so serious and debating essentially the fate of the

871
00:38:24,340 --> 00:38:26,890
S9: free world. And they always kind of like scale it

872
00:38:26,890 --> 00:38:29,890
S9: back to their like sibling rivalry when they were kids.

873
00:38:29,890 --> 00:38:33,100
S9: And they're kind of arguing about Roman saying like, whenever

874
00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:35,230
S9: we were younger, I always wanted to have beef and

875
00:38:35,230 --> 00:38:37,750
S9: you always wanted to have chicken and we always had chicken.

876
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:39,790
S9: And then Kendall says, Well, they didn't want to give

877
00:38:39,790 --> 00:38:41,410
S9: you beef. And because if you throw a tantrum, that

878
00:38:41,410 --> 00:38:42,940
S9: would mean you won and you'd always get your way,

879
00:38:42,940 --> 00:38:46,120
S9: and that's how you would think the world works. And

880
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:47,590
S9: so then Kendall says, So.

881
00:38:47,590 --> 00:38:49,210
S11: Because we had so much chicken when we were kids,

882
00:38:49,210 --> 00:38:50,650
S11: I have to like the fascist. Yeah.

883
00:38:50,980 --> 00:38:52,630
S9: So because we had so much chicken when we were kids,

884
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:54,190
S9: I have to elect a fascist. Yeah.

885
00:38:54,190 --> 00:38:54,880
S7: Amazing.

886
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,550
S9: Which I thought was just like, so amazing. Like in

887
00:38:57,550 --> 00:38:58,090
S9: that in that.

888
00:38:58,090 --> 00:39:01,000
S7: One scene, right? They just managed to be so sharp

889
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,580
S7: about what this episode was about, which is that these

890
00:39:03,580 --> 00:39:07,989
S7: kids weird issues from their parents are what is dictating

891
00:39:07,989 --> 00:39:10,450
S7: every decision they make. And we've got this lunatic in

892
00:39:10,450 --> 00:39:12,460
S7: the White House because they couldn't agree on what to

893
00:39:12,460 --> 00:39:14,140
S7: eat for dinner. And like.

894
00:39:14,469 --> 00:39:15,820
S18: That's nuts. Exactly.

895
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:18,130
S9: And then that's the most depressing thing. Like literally nothing

896
00:39:18,130 --> 00:39:20,350
S9: has changed since these kids were, like, arguing about what

897
00:39:20,350 --> 00:39:22,149
S9: to have for dinner. And this is like the second

898
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:23,920
S9: reference we've had in a few episodes because like a

899
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,379
S9: few episodes ago, she was like, Oh, dad, I spilt

900
00:39:26,380 --> 00:39:28,180
S9: my chocolate milk in the Mercedes or whatever, like.

901
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,940
S7: Range Rover, I believe. Thomas That's real rich people.

902
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:31,690
S18: Drugs.

903
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,930
S9: Yeah. Sorry. They didn't have a Mazda three. That's weird.

904
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,930
S7: All right, time for Fun Fact Corner, which I have

905
00:39:42,930 --> 00:39:47,670
S7: wrested from Thomas this week because I had literally yelped

906
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:49,980
S7: and jumped out of my chair when I saw this guy.

907
00:39:49,980 --> 00:39:52,440
S7: I thought Leonardo DiCaprio had Once upon a Time in

908
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,169
S7: Hollywood meme where he pointed the screen. So we've talked

909
00:39:55,170 --> 00:39:59,470
S7: a bit about Darwin, right? Who's the numbers guy? He's

910
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,819
S7: he's the decision desk guy for AT&T who's played by

911
00:40:02,820 --> 00:40:06,750
S7: a British actor called Adam Godley. You might recognize him

912
00:40:06,750 --> 00:40:09,870
S7: from the Great or Breaking Bad. Yes.

913
00:40:09,870 --> 00:40:12,899
S9: He was also Nigel in suits. And he played like

914
00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:15,899
S9: a very slimy British character who kind of came in

915
00:40:15,900 --> 00:40:18,540
S9: mid-season and was like almost going to take over one

916
00:40:18,540 --> 00:40:20,700
S9: of the law firms. He was yeah, he was very,

917
00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:22,710
S9: very slimy. And that was my moment. When I saw him.

918
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:24,060
S9: I was like, Oh my God, it's the suits guy.

919
00:40:24,060 --> 00:40:25,500
S9: But yeah, he was great in this.

920
00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:28,260
S7: So my thing was I, I sort of recognize him

921
00:40:28,260 --> 00:40:30,660
S7: from the great, but I'm like, Oh, he's the guy

922
00:40:30,780 --> 00:40:32,399
S7: from love.

923
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:33,270
S18: Actually.

924
00:40:33,390 --> 00:40:34,710
S27: I don't wanna.

925
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:37,330
S7: Love the iconic Richard Curtis romcom.

926
00:40:37,620 --> 00:40:40,259
S27: Just one thing I need.

927
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:43,680
S7: He's one of the teachers. He's got a very small role.

928
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,750
S7: He's one of the teachers involved in the Christmas play.

929
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:48,570
S7: At the end of the movie, he introduces Joanna, who's

930
00:40:48,570 --> 00:40:51,540
S7: the girl who sings the Mariah Carey song, and he

931
00:40:51,540 --> 00:40:53,549
S7: has a really funny line in there. He's like, you know,

932
00:40:53,550 --> 00:40:55,560
S7: some of the staff have decided to take part in

933
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,600
S7: this pageant as well. And for that, we ask you

934
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,310
S7: to forgive it. It's a great line he's acting in.

935
00:40:59,310 --> 00:41:01,469
S7: It is awesome. I've always thought he was an MVP

936
00:41:01,469 --> 00:41:03,720
S7: of that film and now he's popped up in This

937
00:41:04,410 --> 00:41:18,100
S7: is You. Oh. You guys got love actually. Thoughts into it,

938
00:41:18,100 --> 00:41:18,820
S7: not into it.

939
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,609
S9: So into it. Watched it probably once or twice every

940
00:41:21,610 --> 00:41:24,610
S9: festive season and seen it at the What's. What's the

941
00:41:24,610 --> 00:41:25,779
S9: one thing I do in the park where you go

942
00:41:25,780 --> 00:41:27,500
S9: and watch the Moonlight Cinema?

943
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:28,990
S8: Yeah. Taking Kate out.

944
00:41:29,140 --> 00:41:29,890
S18: No, we're not alone.

945
00:41:31,570 --> 00:41:34,300
S7: Mel. I feel like you might have controversial love, actually.

946
00:41:34,300 --> 00:41:35,140
S18: Thoughts? Oh, my.

947
00:41:35,140 --> 00:41:37,660
S9: God. She hates anything sweet and saccharine, so, like, Yeah,

948
00:41:37,660 --> 00:41:39,340
S9: she'd be like, Oh, my God, I hate love. Actually,

949
00:41:39,340 --> 00:41:40,210
S9: love is a lie.

950
00:41:40,780 --> 00:41:42,520
S8: No, I love it. And I had that song in

951
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,190
S8: my head then for the rest of thy like for

952
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:48,250
S8: the next 24 hours from love. Actually, I thought he

953
00:41:48,250 --> 00:41:51,010
S8: was one of my favorite characters in this. The human abacus.

954
00:41:51,010 --> 00:41:53,500
S8: I thought he was so good, particularly when they were

955
00:41:53,500 --> 00:41:55,420
S8: having that moment of like, whether they call it a

956
00:41:55,420 --> 00:41:58,480
S8: call or a pending call or not. Quite a call. Yeah.

957
00:41:58,570 --> 00:42:00,520
S8: Thought he was very good in that succession is.

958
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,560
S9: So good at giving you like maybe like a C

959
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,500
S9: plot character for 1 or 2 episodes. That's really great.

960
00:42:05,500 --> 00:42:07,750
S9: And he was exactly that. Like he was. He was

961
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:10,359
S9: fully in the episode. We probably will never see him again.

962
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,400
S9: But he was such a like you really walked away

963
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,320
S9: from episode being like, Yeah, I remember him. But then I.

964
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,020
S8: Started to think about how in all these last few

965
00:42:17,020 --> 00:42:19,540
S8: episodes we've seen all these kind of every people who

966
00:42:19,540 --> 00:42:22,720
S8: are maybe meant to be representative of us fail to

967
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:27,250
S8: stand up to power like that accountant, the video editor,

968
00:42:27,250 --> 00:42:30,910
S8: and now the human abacus. And I kind of I

969
00:42:30,910 --> 00:42:33,339
S8: kind of thought, Oh, is that us? That's like probably yeah,

970
00:42:33,340 --> 00:42:35,740
S8: this is all happening because a number of people also

971
00:42:35,739 --> 00:42:36,910
S8: are complicit with it.

972
00:42:36,910 --> 00:42:37,629
S18: Yeah, it is.

973
00:42:37,630 --> 00:42:40,240
S7: It's a really good point, Mel. It's like a reminder

974
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,839
S7: that all of these things are maybe decided by these

975
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:48,490
S7: powerful godlike figures, but it requires people at every level

976
00:42:48,489 --> 00:42:51,040
S7: of the chain to implement. You know, there's so many

977
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,520
S7: normal people who could call bullshit and just like step out,

978
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,940
S7: be whistleblowers, just not physically do it. And then they

979
00:42:57,940 --> 00:42:59,470
S7: kind of squib it. It makes me think, I don't

980
00:42:59,469 --> 00:43:01,390
S7: know if we've talked about it. This isn't yet, but

981
00:43:01,390 --> 00:43:04,510
S7: there are so many people I know who work for

982
00:43:04,510 --> 00:43:07,240
S7: Sky News, who work for News Corp, who worked for

983
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:11,140
S7: Rupert Murdoch, companies who love this show and like watch

984
00:43:11,140 --> 00:43:14,500
S7: it unironically and think it's such a great TV show

985
00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:17,290
S7: about crazy kids who run a right wing media company.

986
00:43:17,290 --> 00:43:19,210
S7: When you watch an episode like this and you see

987
00:43:19,210 --> 00:43:23,380
S7: all these like, low level flunkies enabling fascism, I wonder

988
00:43:23,380 --> 00:43:26,110
S7: if there's any of them who think like, Is this

989
00:43:26,110 --> 00:43:28,500
S7: are we the baddies? Like, what's going on here?

990
00:43:28,510 --> 00:43:30,819
S9: All of my friends work for NGOs, so I don't know, man.

991
00:43:33,100 --> 00:43:35,169
S8: Yeah, I thought I thought the same. And also the

992
00:43:35,170 --> 00:43:38,680
S8: journalists in it, they were kind of just props really,

993
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,930
S8: of of the powerful people. Like they were handed the

994
00:43:40,930 --> 00:43:44,860
S8: talking points, they were given the touch boards. They there

995
00:43:44,860 --> 00:43:47,890
S8: was no autonomy in those scenes. They were just kind

996
00:43:47,890 --> 00:43:50,950
S8: of mouthpieces for big business and power. Yeah.

997
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:52,780
S7: The casting as well as so good, like so many

998
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:55,150
S7: Megyn Kelly lookalikes on that panel.

999
00:43:55,150 --> 00:43:56,680
S9: I was going to say, I also really enjoyed the

1000
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,400
S9: Raven head like off script down the barrel, like I'm

1001
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:01,720
S9: going to give it to you. So yeah.

1002
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,060
S1: Maybe some of the crazies heard they were underperforming and

1003
00:44:04,060 --> 00:44:07,779
S1: decided to stop the counting and destroy the evidence. And so, yeah,

1004
00:44:07,780 --> 00:44:09,939
S1: you just stay quiet when.

1005
00:44:09,940 --> 00:44:12,580
S9: You get home. And your son, who may be your daughter,

1006
00:44:12,580 --> 00:44:15,310
S9: is now sitting there like in the government's in your home.

1007
00:44:15,350 --> 00:44:17,500
S1: Whatever we want in the way of your mechanisms of

1008
00:44:17,500 --> 00:44:20,410
S1: self defense and tell your son she's actually your daughter

1009
00:44:20,410 --> 00:44:21,810
S1: or the other way around. And then I was.

1010
00:44:21,820 --> 00:44:24,610
S9: Just like, this is amazing. And again, so like, I mean,

1011
00:44:24,610 --> 00:44:26,410
S9: they couldn't have scripted all this, but everything that's happened

1012
00:44:26,410 --> 00:44:29,530
S9: with Tucker Carlson at News even earlier last week announcing

1013
00:44:29,530 --> 00:44:31,390
S9: he's having his own show on Twitter, like all of

1014
00:44:31,390 --> 00:44:35,830
S9: that noise around Fox's biggest, most controversial talking head. And

1015
00:44:35,830 --> 00:44:37,569
S9: then the way things work out with Raven Head and

1016
00:44:37,570 --> 00:44:39,370
S9: his role in last night's episode.

1017
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,799
S7: My son, who may be your daughter, is such a

1018
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:42,550
S7: sharp line.

1019
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:43,390
S18: It's ridiculous.

1020
00:44:48,430 --> 00:44:52,240
S7: Okay. So Jerry watched this week doesn't really work because

1021
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,479
S7: there was not a single we needed. Jerry Yeah, she's

1022
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,850
S7: out of there. I feel like we can make this

1023
00:44:57,850 --> 00:45:02,020
S7: greybeard watch instead because they were completely absent from the

1024
00:45:02,020 --> 00:45:04,660
S7: actual day to day running of ATM. They were like

1025
00:45:04,660 --> 00:45:07,629
S7: in a boardroom somewhere just watching things go on. And

1026
00:45:07,630 --> 00:45:11,500
S7: I thought every single line they delivered was absolutely amazing.

1027
00:45:11,500 --> 00:45:16,510
S7: Like Frank saying, when Connor announces he's he's sort of conceding,

1028
00:45:16,510 --> 00:45:17,530
S7: he goes, Connor.

1029
00:45:17,530 --> 00:45:18,550
S28: Was running for president.

1030
00:45:18,670 --> 00:45:21,520
S29: Although I set out a clear and compelling path.

1031
00:45:21,700 --> 00:45:24,100
S7: Connor was running for president and they all laughed. They're like,

1032
00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:26,229
S7: we get to see their reaction that they're just having

1033
00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:28,899
S7: a great time cracking up. It was really good. Any

1034
00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:31,080
S7: any highlights from the Grey Beards from you guys?

1035
00:45:31,090 --> 00:45:32,950
S9: I thought that whole thing was amazing. It just like

1036
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:34,509
S9: straight away, as soon as we saw them together, I

1037
00:45:34,510 --> 00:45:37,660
S9: was like, I bet you those guys have a WhatsApp

1038
00:45:37,660 --> 00:45:40,330
S9: thread where they like, obviously just bitch about the kids

1039
00:45:40,330 --> 00:45:42,459
S9: and stuff and like someone probably dumped in a message

1040
00:45:42,460 --> 00:45:44,860
S9: in the morning like, Hey, should we watch the election tonight? LOL.

1041
00:45:44,860 --> 00:45:46,870
S9: And then they're like, Yeah, we'll go to France or whatever.

1042
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,790
S9: Like it was just so good to see them together

1043
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:51,310
S9: hanging shit on the kids. And I loved Hugo. Hugo

1044
00:45:51,310 --> 00:45:53,830
S9: has been so angry this season ever since he met

1045
00:45:53,830 --> 00:45:56,380
S9: that like guy who nearly got fourth at the Olympics.

1046
00:45:56,380 --> 00:45:59,500
S9: He's been so angry and I love he's watching him

1047
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,129
S9: and he's kind of like getting more and more angry

1048
00:46:01,130 --> 00:46:03,520
S9: and he's like floppy dick out, popping up, do something.

1049
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,700
S9: Like he's just so furious at the whole process. Yeah,

1050
00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:08,650
S9: that was a great aside for them to include.

1051
00:46:08,770 --> 00:46:11,020
S8: That was 100% the party I would have wanted to

1052
00:46:11,020 --> 00:46:12,760
S8: be at on election night and I liked that they

1053
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,529
S8: had like their whiskies out and then they had the

1054
00:46:14,530 --> 00:46:17,109
S8: catering on the table and they were obviously just having

1055
00:46:17,110 --> 00:46:19,750
S8: a great time. And there's also like some level of

1056
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:22,750
S8: irony to that. They have been involved in setting this

1057
00:46:22,750 --> 00:46:26,500
S8: moment into motion, like everything they have done over decades

1058
00:46:26,500 --> 00:46:28,870
S8: is what has made this happen. And they're just kind

1059
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:31,840
S8: of sitting back, having a good time watching it all unfold.

1060
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,550
S9: But was it telling that Jerry wasn't there? Yeah, I

1061
00:46:33,550 --> 00:46:33,910
S9: think so.

1062
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:36,400
S7: She's like, these guys, I think is still working for

1063
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,710
S7: the company. They're just like not part of what's going

1064
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:42,549
S7: on that night. Jerry is out. She's, you know, negotiating

1065
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:44,380
S7: the terms of a settlement. Who knows what she's up to.

1066
00:46:44,380 --> 00:46:46,960
S7: But I think, yeah, it's significant that she's out of

1067
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:47,470
S7: the picture.

1068
00:46:47,469 --> 00:46:48,940
S9: Yeah, Jerry has left the group.

1069
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,739
S7: Okay, time for our winners and losers. Mel, why don't

1070
00:46:57,739 --> 00:46:59,750
S7: you go first this time?

1071
00:46:59,989 --> 00:47:04,480
S8: Thank you. So I gave three points to Greg. Because

1072
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,520
S8: I thought he was bragging in a big way, Big

1073
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,029
S8: Greg energy, and it really worked for him. So ultimately,

1074
00:47:10,030 --> 00:47:12,370
S8: he's ended this episode in with Mattson, in with the

1075
00:47:12,370 --> 00:47:14,940
S8: Roy Bros. He's in a good spot. And I gave

1076
00:47:14,980 --> 00:47:18,460
S8: two points, two points to Tom. I think he deserves

1077
00:47:18,460 --> 00:47:20,230
S8: a bit of a shout out in the all star

1078
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:23,700
S8: for his election coverage. He's back with the Roy Bros.

1079
00:47:23,710 --> 00:47:26,530
S8: He's created a gap between him and Shiv. Obviously some

1080
00:47:26,530 --> 00:47:29,200
S8: issues to work out there, though. I do wonder. I

1081
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:30,669
S8: know that at the end of the episode he was

1082
00:47:30,670 --> 00:47:34,660
S8: watching the TV and it was it was calling him

1083
00:47:34,660 --> 00:47:36,819
S8: out as making the call about the election. So I

1084
00:47:36,820 --> 00:47:39,670
S8: do wonder if that might come back on him. One

1085
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:43,750
S8: point I've given to Roman. At least he's getting things done,

1086
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:49,390
S8: unlike the other dithers. And then my loser went to Mattson,

1087
00:47:49,390 --> 00:47:51,040
S8: even though he's got which I know you guys will

1088
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:55,270
S8: be very upset about, even though he's got great pajama pants.

1089
00:47:55,780 --> 00:47:58,020
S8: I think he might be in trouble with this election.

1090
00:47:58,030 --> 00:48:00,670
S7: I was originally like, when I saw you give Greg

1091
00:48:00,670 --> 00:48:02,830
S7: three points, I was like, Oh, really? But then the

1092
00:48:02,830 --> 00:48:04,780
S7: more I thought about it, I was like, Yeah, like

1093
00:48:04,780 --> 00:48:07,989
S7: he quietly is just winning. We talked about him earlier

1094
00:48:07,989 --> 00:48:11,589
S7: as a messing around building relationships. Thomas Take it away.

1095
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,140
S9: Firstly, this is the biggest case of voter fraud.

1096
00:48:14,140 --> 00:48:14,830
S18: Since the.

1097
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:17,770
S9: Election last night. How can you why can't you give

1098
00:48:17,770 --> 00:48:20,280
S9: Kendall a point? It's ridiculous. It's like obscene.

1099
00:48:20,290 --> 00:48:22,900
S8: Yeah. Three points for being sad, Kendall, the whole time.

1100
00:48:22,900 --> 00:48:23,920
S8: It's not a lot of fun.

1101
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,230
S9: Kendall will win this season, if only on the backs

1102
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:30,069
S9: of Osman and I. It's consistently giving him points. I

1103
00:48:30,070 --> 00:48:33,520
S9: gave Roman three points because, yeah, ultimately he's hitched his

1104
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,880
S9: wagon to the crazy man and he's the president elect. So,

1105
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,120
S9: you know, Roman came out on top. Kendall I gave

1106
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,089
S9: two points because, you know, look, he did show some

1107
00:48:43,090 --> 00:48:45,790
S9: heart and he was torn and everything, but ultimately he

1108
00:48:45,790 --> 00:48:47,620
S9: was on the winning side. He made the call to

1109
00:48:47,620 --> 00:48:50,170
S9: go with Mencken, who appears at least as it stands

1110
00:48:50,170 --> 00:48:53,410
S9: to have one. And I gave Tom one point similar

1111
00:48:53,410 --> 00:48:56,460
S9: for why Mel did, because, you know, he handled things well.

1112
00:48:56,469 --> 00:48:58,660
S9: He did get overawed, but kind of brought it back.

1113
00:48:58,660 --> 00:49:01,089
S9: And at the end of the day, he's still running 18.

1114
00:49:01,180 --> 00:49:03,820
S9: And my loser was Shiv again, the second time in

1115
00:49:03,820 --> 00:49:06,820
S9: a few weeks, I think, because, yeah, she's hitched her

1116
00:49:06,820 --> 00:49:10,720
S9: wagon to Madison. She's now on the outer Mankins appears

1117
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,570
S9: to be the president elect and essentially she's all at

1118
00:49:13,570 --> 00:49:14,469
S9: sea once more.

1119
00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:16,839
S8: Okay. I didn't give ship. I didn't make her a loser, though.

1120
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,360
S8: I can see why you have because I thought her

1121
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,570
S8: that end scene where she was like doubling down with Mattson,

1122
00:49:22,570 --> 00:49:24,400
S8: I was like, she's not going to go down without

1123
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,100
S8: a fight. Like she is going to come back hard.

1124
00:49:27,100 --> 00:49:28,810
S7: So, I mean, she was also my loser because I

1125
00:49:28,810 --> 00:49:32,200
S7: just feel like every episode she tries and like ends

1126
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,110
S7: up with fewer allies than before. My points were very

1127
00:49:35,110 --> 00:49:42,560
S7: similar to yours. Thomas Roman three. Kendall, too. But like Mel,

1128
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,580
S7: I thought Greg. Greg's playing a game and there is

1129
00:49:46,580 --> 00:49:49,820
S7: like a a fan theory doing the rounds that Greg will,

1130
00:49:49,820 --> 00:49:52,970
S7: quote unquote, like, win the show. Whatever that means. Like,

1131
00:49:52,969 --> 00:49:56,600
S7: there's great sort of like, poetic irony to it going

1132
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,450
S7: from him in that doddering suit to being like the

1133
00:49:59,450 --> 00:50:02,299
S7: last man standing at the end of it. The tally

1134
00:50:02,300 --> 00:50:04,790
S7: is pretty interesting. The main change, Shiv has fallen out

1135
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:07,070
S7: of the top three, which is a pretty tight contest

1136
00:50:07,070 --> 00:50:15,830
S7: between Tom Kendall and Roman. Okay. Predictions for next week.

1137
00:50:15,830 --> 00:50:18,589
S7: I keep predicting people going to jail and they aren't,

1138
00:50:18,590 --> 00:50:20,180
S7: so I could be totally wrong about that though I

1139
00:50:20,180 --> 00:50:24,319
S7: still think there's a chance, but perhaps just Slim Greg

1140
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,419
S7: is nailing it. Like I said, I think I think

1141
00:50:26,420 --> 00:50:28,219
S7: we may be like, I don't think there's going to

1142
00:50:28,219 --> 00:50:30,350
S7: be a point where it's like the show ends with

1143
00:50:30,350 --> 00:50:32,690
S7: Jesse Armstrong in a title card flashing up saying Greg

1144
00:50:32,690 --> 00:50:38,030
S7: won the show. But I do think Greg's continual relationship

1145
00:50:38,030 --> 00:50:40,370
S7: building and cultivation is going to put him in a

1146
00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:43,190
S7: powerful position where he potentially screwed up a shiv in

1147
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:46,069
S7: this episode. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up

1148
00:50:46,070 --> 00:50:49,760
S7: cutting one of the other siblings loose as well. Thomas,

1149
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:50,840
S7: give us your prediction.

1150
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,110
S9: Well, we know that Mel's prediction for the last six

1151
00:50:54,110 --> 00:50:56,330
S9: weeks is finally coming true. The next episode is Logan's

1152
00:50:56,330 --> 00:50:57,469
S9: Funeral Order.

1153
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:59,540
S8: Finally, make me a write off.

1154
00:50:59,540 --> 00:51:00,799
S9: Like we got Nostradamus here.

1155
00:51:01,550 --> 00:51:03,140
S18: Yeah, we know. Reference. Yeah.

1156
00:51:03,140 --> 00:51:06,980
S9: Seriously? Yes, we know. Via Kendall talking to his wife

1157
00:51:06,980 --> 00:51:09,740
S9: in the closing scene that the next day is Logan's funeral.

1158
00:51:09,739 --> 00:51:11,870
S9: I'm not sure what's going to happen in this is

1159
00:51:11,870 --> 00:51:14,029
S9: not really a prediction as such. So I'm sorry for

1160
00:51:14,030 --> 00:51:17,150
S9: disappointing Allison. I think the next episode will be the

1161
00:51:17,150 --> 00:51:19,520
S9: best episode of the season. That's a prediction.

1162
00:51:19,580 --> 00:51:22,280
S8: Press That's the definition of a prediction.

1163
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,380
S9: Yeah, but like, I'm not predicting anything specific, but like,

1164
00:51:24,380 --> 00:51:26,060
S9: I think there's going to be too much pressure on

1165
00:51:26,060 --> 00:51:29,030
S9: the finale. But I just think the idea of Logan's

1166
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:32,390
S9: funeral after the chaos that we've just witnessed, they're about

1167
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:36,110
S9: to bury their father. They've just buried the country. Everyone

1168
00:51:36,110 --> 00:51:38,839
S9: from succession universe is going to be in this episode,

1169
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,609
S9: you would assume. I just feel like it has the

1170
00:51:40,610 --> 00:51:44,480
S9: potential to be like a disaster in the best way possible.

1171
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:45,320
S9: So yeah, that's that's.

1172
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,839
S8: My kind of. So you're predicting the final episode is

1173
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:48,680
S8: going to be a flop?

1174
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,359
S9: No, but just not as good as the ninth. The

1175
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,360
S9: penultimate one will be my my episode of the series.

1176
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:53,570
S9: Was it.

1177
00:51:53,570 --> 00:51:58,160
S7: Breaking Bad? That had like a really great penultimate episode.

1178
00:51:58,160 --> 00:51:59,630
S7: And it was just like, Yes, that.

1179
00:51:59,630 --> 00:52:01,370
S9: Was exactly what I was thinking. Yeah.

1180
00:52:01,730 --> 00:52:03,260
S7: Mel, give us your prediction.

1181
00:52:03,340 --> 00:52:07,580
S8: I think Madison Menken and the siblings all in one place,

1182
00:52:07,580 --> 00:52:09,710
S8: best week ever. So I think they're all going to

1183
00:52:09,710 --> 00:52:12,170
S8: be there and it's going to go off. I was

1184
00:52:12,170 --> 00:52:15,140
S8: also wondering, do we think I really thought she would

1185
00:52:15,140 --> 00:52:17,600
S8: come back, Carrie I thought Carrie would come back in

1186
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,480
S8: some significant way. And I wonder, although we are obviously

1187
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,550
S8: there's not much of the show left if there's going

1188
00:52:22,550 --> 00:52:25,759
S8: to be some blasts from the past adding like this

1189
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,130
S8: final level of drama. I really thought that she would

1190
00:52:28,130 --> 00:52:29,690
S8: come in to play a role in all of this,

1191
00:52:29,690 --> 00:52:30,740
S8: but maybe not.

1192
00:52:30,739 --> 00:52:32,840
S7: I feel like at the funeral you'll see Carrie and

1193
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:34,819
S7: there could be some some sparks there.

1194
00:52:34,910 --> 00:52:36,290
S9: I reckon she'll be the one that she'll get like

1195
00:52:36,290 --> 00:52:38,540
S9: tanked too early and do something embarrassing and then be

1196
00:52:38,540 --> 00:52:41,180
S9: escorted out and probably murdered and left in a ditch.

1197
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,560
S8: I well, I got dark.

1198
00:52:44,570 --> 00:52:45,560
S18: I got that.

1199
00:52:46,730 --> 00:52:50,060
S8: That was dark. I also hopefully see Logan's bodyguard, Colin,

1200
00:52:50,060 --> 00:52:51,500
S8: because I just want to know what he's been up to.

1201
00:52:51,500 --> 00:52:53,930
S8: Like keeping. Well, who's he guarding now?

1202
00:52:53,930 --> 00:52:55,790
S9: Yeah, he'll be there in Jean sobbing.

1203
00:52:56,510 --> 00:53:01,070
S7: Um, Thomas and Mel, thank you for another cracking episode.

1204
00:53:01,070 --> 00:53:02,120
S7: See you next week.

1205
00:53:02,860 --> 00:53:03,650
S8: Oh, Bella.

1206
00:53:05,690 --> 00:53:06,350
S18: That was good.

1207
00:53:11,810 --> 00:53:15,380
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1208
00:53:15,380 --> 00:53:18,650
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1209
00:53:18,650 --> 00:53:20,780
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1210
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1211
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