WEBVTT - Afternoons with Michael McLaren - Thursday, 12th June 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:07.360 On two GB at network stations. This is Afternoons with 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:08.360 Michael McClaren. 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:12.560 All right, let's get it underway. It is Thursday. Nice 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:15.440 to have you there, beautiful day outside again today June twelve, 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:17.840 and hope we find you well where he happened to 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:20.239 be one three one eight seven three. The open line 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:23.439 number you can of course call. Just get on that 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:26.040 open line one three one eight seven three. You can 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:29.160 text zero four six zero eight seven three eight seven three. 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:32.320 There's always email to GiB dot com. Click on the 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:35.239 feedback icon. It's Mick Mac with you. Do I get 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:39.200 one hundred dollars? Do I get that out of Ben's wallet? 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:43.199 Michael otherwise with you on Afternoons. If you're listening to 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:46.520 Breakfast this morning, I think Ben's gotta throw a nice 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:49.400 crisp green note out of his own wallet to the 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:51.559 first person who calls me Mick Mac on air, or 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:54.160 so I'm told so. Anyway, there's a little incentive to 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:57.200 call at some point today. Rex Patrick will join me 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:01.240 later this hour, the former South Australia senator, a former 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:06.280 sub mariner. I want to put those two expertise together 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:09.800 in Rex and speak about what's happening with ORCUS. Many 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:13.000 have said this was going to happen, and I suspect 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:15.760 people like Malcolm Turnbull and Paul Keating will be feeling 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:20.800 quietly smuged today that the Trump administration has decided that 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:24.959 they want to review the Orcus arrangements and whether it's 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:28.600 in the United States best interest. Look, I think Malcolm 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:31.840 Turnbull makes a valid point, and that is with the 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:36.080 British reviewing Orcus and the Americans now seemingly open to 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:39.440 a quote unquote review, it's a little strange that the 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:44.959 only country that isn't reviewing the arrangement is Australia, and 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:50.280 I think a review may well be necessary. It is 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:54.360 looking as though this may not happen in the way 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:58.000 that we thought it would. Time is not on our side. 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:01.040 I think it would be a great calamity if it 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:03.840 did not happen. But you've got to have a plan B. 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:06.120 And the Prime Minister was asked, I think during the 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:11.440 election campaign about whether there would be or we need 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:13.359 there is the need for a plan B and he 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:18.239 said no words, no where we've got Aucust. Well, of course, 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:21.679 we have put a lot of faith in two very 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:25.160 long standing allies. If one or both of them decide 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:29.680 this isn't in their interests, we are in trouble. Now. 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:33.000 Let me just say at this point, and I spec 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:37.440 Rex Patrick would agree that the one nation hoping more 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:41.280 than any other that the United States decides that AUCUST 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:45.840 is not in their interest would be China. The Communist 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:48.919 Party of China would be very much hoping that nuclear 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:54.760 submarine technology is not afforded to the Australian defense industry 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:57.760 because they do not like AUCUST. They made that very clear. 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:02.040 But there are people here that have said from the 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:04.560 start that this was very, very risky. It was always risky, 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:06.440 but that it was so risky that we shouldn't have 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:10.440 entertained the idea. If I were there, I'd hold my 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:15.640 self congratulation for now. This is not yet over. It 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:19.120 is still more done deal than undone deal at this stage, 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:21.800 and I think smart heads will get into Donald Trump 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:26.520 and say, listen, financially, we are the great beneficiary of 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:28.680 this arrangement. The Australian has already sent US eight hundred 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:32.000 million dollars. They will send more so that we can 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:36.640 increase our domestic submarine capability in the United States. Now, 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:38.200 part of the arrangement is Okay, we've got to send 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:41.000 them a couple of Virginia class submarines. But the fine 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:44.760 print says only if we have surplus to send. So Donald, 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:47.160 if I was in the Americans, we'll take the money. 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:50.360 We'll take the money, because there's nothing in there that 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:53.440 binds them to give us the Virginia class submarines the 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.800 Orcus technology, many of which will be built in Adelaide, 0:03:56.840 --> 0:04:00.120 some in the United Kingdom. That's a different story. The 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:03.760 Virginia class submarines the stop gap between now and when 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:06.280 we finally build our own nuclear submarine in you, I 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:10.200 don't know. Three fifty five A deals, aren't they. The 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:14.480 Virginias are the stop gap, and there is nothing that 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:18.320 requires the Americans, as far as I understand it, to 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:24.400 deliver Virginia class submarines. It's sort of a gentleman's agreement 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:26.960 that if they've got spare, they will, But it doesn't 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:29.760 look like they're going to have spare, even though we're 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:31.520 giving them an enormous amount of cash to try to 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:34.040 make that happen. So look, it's a bit like the 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:36.520 free trade agreement between Australia and the United States. If 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.000 this is in anyone's interest, it's in the Americans interests 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:42.400 and they would be crazy to row it back, but 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:45.760 you never know. I speak to x Patrick about it now. 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:47.880 Adam will be here with screen talk Jim Haynes with 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:50.840 Sydney Siders. It's a great Sydney Sider story today and 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:52.960 anything else that bubbles up in the news as well. 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:55.760 I understand there's a bit of a situation at Stratfield 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.240 train station as we speak. I'll get some more details 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:01.720 on that for you may well be affecting some train 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:04.760 services through that particular or through the lines that do 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:08.640 go through that part of Sydney. A very significant train station, Stratfield. 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:11.039 So I'll give you some details there if they come 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:13.599 to light. And more so, stay with us, don't go anywhere. 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:19.080 Have you say one three, one eight seven three the number? 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:25.720 All right? Quarter past twelve. Look, there is a lot 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:28.800 of news around today, obviously, the passing of Brian Wilson, 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:31.200 the review into WUCAS, as we were just saying, the 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:34.800 monash ivf CEO stepping down, and yet another stuff up there. 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:38.200 Not to mention the ongoing situation in Los Angeles or 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:41.040 that does seem to be petering out, the war in Gaza, 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:44.760 Putin's endless bombardment of Ukraine. It just keeps going. But 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:49.680 for the majority of you listening now, the story that 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.400 will matter most in the here and now concerns the 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:55.880 price rises that are coming for a bunch of your 0:05:56.080 --> 0:06:00.599 regular bills. That's what's going to matter to you. And 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:04.240 from insurance to energy, to phone bills and even subscription services, 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:07.440 prices are going up everywhere from July the first, and 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:10.479 in many cases well above inflation. But it's going to 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:13.279 be the energy bill that hurts the most because, unlike 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:18.120 your kao's subscription, electricity isn't a discretionary spend and we 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:21.760 were promised, we haven't forgotten by the government the prices 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.359 would be coming down by now. Instead, we've seen the 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:27.560 average electricity bill rise by four hundred and ninety five 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:30.760 dollars since the twenty twenty two election, and there is 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:35.160 more to come now. As The Herald reports today, consumers 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:37.320 in New South Wales, South Australia and even parts of 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:40.400 Southeast Queensland will have to fork out more from July one, 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:44.359 after the Energy Regulator approved an increase to its price cap, 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:47.960 or the default market offer, as it's known now. I 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.920 guess the message will be shop around, because depending where 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.279 you go and how you use your appliances, you can 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:56.680 save more with company A asposed to company B. But 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:00.000 I'd be buying a lottery ticket if anyone offered you 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:03.760 a discount on the price you've been paying over the 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:08.160 previous twelve months. Despite those hollow promises and regularly cited 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:12.400 modeling that cheaper bills were on the horizon, fat chance 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:16.560 getting a discount. Now most people in this state will 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:19.200 be slugged an increase of around eight and a half percent. 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:21.520 Around that mark. The eight and a half percent now, 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:23.600 I'm told small businesses will be about the same, and 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:25.600 obviously many of them will attempt to pass that on 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:29.520 to the end consumer one way or another. Now we 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.960 all await Chris Bowen's explanation for this, but for what 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:35.600 it's worth, I had a note from my energy provider 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:37.840 lobbed into the inbox, in fact, just last night, warning 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:41.600 me of upcoming changes to rates and fixed service fees. Now, 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:44.320 in the case of the latter, the daily service to 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:48.560 property fees for my bill, they're going up twenty five percent. 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:51.960 And I only recently switched to this particular provider because 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:53.760 they were cheaper than the mobb I was with. I mean, 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:58.280 you can't win, but it won't end with electricity, even 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:02.600 though energy is the economy. And when it comes to prices, well, 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:06.120 more expensive electricity, naturally everything becomes more expensive up and 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:08.440 down the supply chain. But as I said earlier, prices 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:12.200 continue to go up everywhere. And so when the official 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:17.360 inflation numbers, the CPI data gets released and we're told 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:20.240 inflation is now back within the RBA's preferred band of 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:23.960 two to three percent, no wonder many of you write 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:26.160 to me and ask, well, how do they figure that out? 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:30.320 What's that based off? Because in your lived reality, inflation 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:33.720 isn't hovering in the two to three percent. Bad now again, 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:37.080 according to the Herald, Vodaphone, Optus and Telstra have signaled 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:40.280 customers on some plans are about to be paying more. Apparently, 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:45.280 most Telstra customers have already absorbed two price rises in 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:48.320 just the past twelve months. But mobile internet plans are 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:50.800 going to go up again, I'm told. And then we 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:55.720 get to insurance, car insurance, home and content insurance, and 0:08:55.880 --> 0:09:00.360 of course health insurance. Now how half the population can 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:03.480 afford to be properly insured across all three these days 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:06.320 is it's a mystery to me. Well, in truth, half 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:11.520 the population aren't properly insured, stacks are underinsured, and increasing 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:14.120 numbers are not insured at all. They simply can't afford it. 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:16.840 And there's always the risk of a so called doom 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:19.439 loop with insurance, where the more that drop out, the 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:21.920 higher the tariff charge to those that remain, forcing more 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:25.320 to walk away and so on. Now anyway, according to Canstar, 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:29.520 the average cost of a gold hospital insurance policy has 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:34.120 increased by an average thirteen point eight percent for singles 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.520 and just a tad more for families. It's a long 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:41.280 way above inflation. And as for comprehensive car insurance, again, 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:43.559 the average is up one hundred and twenty two dollars 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:45.840 over the past twelve months. Mind you spare a thought 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:48.280 for the Victorian motorists. Their bills are up an average 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:50.960 two hundred and twenty five dollars now. At the end 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.360 of the day, this is money that Australian taxpayers have 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:56.320 to find out of their monthly budgets, and once it 0:09:56.400 --> 0:10:00.000 goes to the insurer or the energy provider, it's unavailable 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:04.400 to then be spent at the shop or the local cafe. 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:09.840 Let alone, gifted to charity. It suppresses the discretionary spend 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:11.600 and in turn it puts the brakes on the widest 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:15.560 story of economic growth. Now, considering we were all told 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:18.600 that the last election was a cost of living election, 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:21.920 I wonder how voters are going to react when confronted 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:25.400 with all of these numbers. But then again, if they're 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:27.200 the same voters who are about to have their hex 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:30.800 debts wiped, house deposits and home battery subsidized, and childcare 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:34.400 work tests are raised by the government, well perhaps they'll 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:37.480 be in a forgiving mood. As for the rest of us, 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:40.360 I guess we'll just have to reach even deeper into 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.440 our pockets and do it the old fashioned way. Yes, 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:45.800 speaking of wintery things, by the way, gets set Sydney 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:49.679 because Twogb's Winter Wheels starts spinning from Monday. 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Let's go to calls 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:17.679 first today. 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:21.520 Joe Gooday, Michael, how are you going? Thank you for 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:27.520 taking McCall pleasure just had I just been thinking about 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:31.400 this orcus issue or potentially that we may have. 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:32.040 We may have. 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:35.880 This idea stems from I've got a joinery shop. We 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:40.640 employ about forty blokes. I've been around forty years, and 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.600 from time to time there's some big joinery projects that 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:47.200 come up and they and they vary from highly detailed 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:52.000 pieces of furniture to maybe multi production. Now we can't 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:55.480 do it all, so we in the past have done 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:59.360 joint ventures with other joinery shops and we've shared shared 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:02.840 the love, and the builders are happy, the clients are happy, 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:08.000 everybody's happy. Something. Why doesn't mister Alban easy have it. 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:11.600 Go at mister Trump and say to him, listen, we 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:15.160 understand that you might not be able to build all 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:18.280 the submarines for yourself and everybody else. Why don't we 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:21.320 share it? We have the facility here where we could 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:25.199 do that. Now, with some technology sharing, which I think 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:27.880 we should be able to do, and some financial help, 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:32.800 we could save millions and bring manufacturing of that high 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:35.079 technical gear back to Australia. 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:41.920 I understand, but I'm not sure that the technology. Let 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:43.920 me put it this way, I'm no expert, Joan. That's 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:45.920 why I'll speak to experts lad on the show about this. 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:48.920 I defer to their wisdom. But my understanding is that 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:52.679 a nuclear submarine is about the most complicated piece of 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:58.280 equipment man has ever built, and so only a few 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:01.679 countries have the ability to do it sharing the lovers 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:06.800 it were very difficult to do. Even I would assume 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.520 building that the tube of the submarine and then having 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:13.360 the nuclear engine component retrofitted in America or whatever. I 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:16.439 don't even know how practical that is. Look, but Joe, 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:20.600 you've raised it. Let me ask Rex Patrick who might 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:23.840 know the answer. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:25.880 Yeah, I understand. I'm thinking we don't have to do 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:27.679 all of it, but we can do part of it. 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.000 You know, I'm not sure, but it's just that we 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.160 do and it's very successful in our industry. 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:35.559 Yep, I appreciate that in in other industries as well. Look, 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:37.000 I understand the point, and I thank you for taking 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:40.640 the time to call. The truth of the Orcus submarines, 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:43.200 not the Virginia Class from America, but the Orcast submarines, 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:45.240 is that in some respects your logic is going to 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:48.000 apply because we're going to have British technology. I think 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:51.160 it's BAE are going to be behind the design of it, 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:55.239 and then that's going to be a cookie cutter retrofitted 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:58.760 to the Osborne Shipyard in Adelaide and South Australia, and 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:00.560 we're going to build them out here. So build a 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:02.360 few in the UK, then build them out here and 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:05.400 once you get underway, then okay, yeah, you can probably 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:07.480 go back and forth with different bits that others can 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:10.800 do better than others. But with the Virginia Class subs, 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:13.480 I don't know if it's going to be practical, but 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:17.480 I don't know. Thank you, Joe Michael, Good afternoon. 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:19.640 Good afternoon. How are you today. 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:20.920 I'm well, mate, I hope you are too. 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.160 Thank you very much. Look, Glad, I might be a 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:27.120 silly person, but I got a question. All the big 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:31.000 companies and everybody's and the government's madly pushing AI into everything, 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:34.400 and they're just placing workers and replacing with AI and 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:37.360 or continue to do so. Now the reason they then 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:40.680 they save money. They don't pay wages, they don't pay superannuation, 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:44.480 workers comp holidays, sick pay nothing. So therefore the companies 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:47.000 are making huge profits. Surely the goodness the cost of 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:50.120 goods and services would be falling like a rock instead 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:54.120 of increasing first part, second part, with one point two 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:57.640 trillion dollars worth of debt, plus we're bringing in millions 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:01.320 of semi skilled and unskilled migrants. Where's all the money 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:04.600 coming from for the welfare for all of us and 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:07.160 them when there's no work here anymore because it's all 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:08.120 replaced BII. 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:10.600 Well, the answer to the last question is twofold. One 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:14.920 that's coming from mining royalties and taxes from the mining industry, 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:17.440 and the other is it's increasingly coming from those that 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:18.760 do work income tax. 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:21.960 Well, there you go, So it's the price. So they're 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:25.120 already getting about forty percent of their revenue from income tax. 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:27.240 So the few that will have jobs in the next 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:30.080 five or ten years will be paying what double tax 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:31.880 and how are they going to pay for all the 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:36.080 growing welfare with millions of more people coming in, plus 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:40.720 the debt that the country's blowing up going on green 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:43.040 windmills and things. 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:45.320 Well, I mean, Chris Jorman very impressive yesterday as you 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:47.200 would have heard, Michael basically said we're going to go 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:50.160 broke trying this and this is something that the voters 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:53.080 had the opportunity to consider only a month or so ago, 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:56.160 and they denied reality. So you know, that's democracy for you. 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:58.400 Thank you for the call, Michael. I appreciate it. I 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:02.120 share your concerns and many listeners do. Rod. Good afternoon, Rod. 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:07.960 Yep, there you are, mate, Good mate. I'm look. I 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:12.320 think that you are building sharing would work, except that's 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:16.360 not what they're reviewing. They're reviewing whether they can trust 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:21.080 us with the technology, with the information that's linked back 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:25.360 to them and the Chumps. Well aware, we elected the 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:29.080 Vishi government in this country, so why would you build 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:31.440 the subs when they end up in the hands of China. 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:34.480 That's what their review and mate, to see if they 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:37.960 can still bloody trust us and feeding and the way 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:41.440 Wong and all them carry on and hating I wouldn't 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:44.240 trust you. I wouldn't trust any of them with anything. 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:47.960 I'm sure that's part of the consideration, Rod, and I 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:51.200 think the other part, and I'll raise this with Rex shortly, 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:55.120 is that our commitment to defense expenditure, much of which 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:57.160 would end up going to the United States because we 0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:00.880 buy their equipment, isn't where the Americans want it. And 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.320 they have a valid point. I mean not everything Trump 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:05.760 says or does is write or valid or I support, 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:08.960 but on this global crusade of his to get the 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:12.720 Allied countries to spend more of their budgets on defense, 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.480 he is I think completely within his rights to demand 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:19.159 this because the American taxpayers, you know, the people of 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:22.560 West Virginia, with hardly any money to their name, but 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:25.080 they're paying their taxes as they go about their manual work. 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:29.879 They're propping up the American defense budget, which doesn't just 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:32.960 cover America's defense, it covers a lot of the Allies defense, 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:36.159 the Europeans particularly, but Australia is the same. We freeload largely, 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:39.320 we freeload, and Trump saying we hang on, I could 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:41.560 repurpose a lot of that money and pay down my 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.919 debt or build bridges and infrastructure in the United States, 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.919 or schools or hospitals, or finish the wall or whatever. 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:49.359 I could do all of that with the money, but 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:52.800 instead I'm putting it into the American military machine so 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:55.200 that we can defend ourselves and all of you while 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:57.159 all of you guys spend all of your money building 0:17:57.160 --> 0:17:59.199 bridges and walls and who knows what else and not 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:02.160 putting it into your And then you complain about putin, 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:04.199 You complain about g well, why don't you cough up 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:06.600 some coin? So this, I'm sure is a bit of 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:09.439 leverage going on. He knows Anthony Alberanese is due to 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:12.520 meet him shortly. This is sort of the softening up period. 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:16.320 This is all time deliberately, and no doubt the White 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:18.679 House will be hoping that Anthony Albanezi goes there with 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:21.959 a couple of check books ready to sign for some 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:25.919 Lockheed Martin equipment and some missile equipment and whatever out 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:29.480 of the United States, which boosts the percentage of Australian 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:32.600 GDP being spent on defense. And then I think, you know, 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:34.520 if we said, yeah, all right, we'll get to three percent, 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:36.480 we'll do it pretty quickly. I think all of this 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:38.960 concern and wobble about ORCUS would be how do we 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:42.320 forgotten rather rapidly in the White House. But I might 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:44.360 be wrong, but I suspect that's part of what's going 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:46.960 on right. Appreciate your call, Wendy. You good afternoon. 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:52.800 On time, Michael, I wanted to talk about when we're 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:57.040 talking about Orcus and submarines, has anybody stopped to think 0:18:57.160 --> 0:19:03.560 about using drone submarines rather in the orcut path. These 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:07.080 drone submarines are being used by Israel and they're pretty 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:11.680 pretty deadly. I can't I don't understand why when we're 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:16.000 not looking at that not as expensive as nuclear submarates. 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:18.520 No, they're not. I don't know how well advanced the 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:21.359 technology is. I don't know how far forward project you 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:23.760 can from a geographic point of view, use these, Wendy. 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:25.840 I don't know, but I think drones in the sky 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.280 and drones under the sea are going to be increasing 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:30.239 component of our defense full stop, aren't they? 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:35.400 Well you would think so. Not to mention the lasers 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:38.399 that they're now using in place of the iron dome, 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:43.720 that would pretty cheap. I think that would be ideal 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:45.160 for Australia up north. 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:48.440 Yeah, yeah, it's a very good point you raise, Wendy. 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:50.640 I thank you for taking the time to call one 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:52.760 three one eight seven three keep the text coming. Plenty 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:55.160 of those thank you zero for six zero eight seven 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:57.520 three eight seven three act you're on the text. This 0:19:57.560 --> 0:19:59.719 one came through yesterday from Mitch and I didn't get 0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:03.080 the to get to it, but might resonate with you. 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:06.439 He says, I just had some items delivered, and what 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:09.760 cheeses me off is that the driver doesn't ring the doorbell, 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:12.119 just leaves them right up against the screen door so 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:15.879 you can't open the door without shoving it all while 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:17.840 trying to open the door. I think they do it 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:20.200 on purpose, and they've got a little chuckle to Themselvesie 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:22.320 that's Mitch. Now. I don't know if they're that Machiavelian, 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:25.600 but we've noticed this at home on the odd occasion 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:27.760 we have something delivered because we're both out or whatever, 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:33.040 and even when you are at home, they don't ring 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:36.480 the doorbell. The guy that does some of the Australia posts, 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:39.360 we've got one that he's very good Australia past rings 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:41.000 the bell. You know it's there, he says, Hi, And 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:43.320 that's fine, but a lot of these other sort of 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:46.480 more private couriers, whoever they are, and we don't get 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:49.640 stuff delivered often. But on the very rarely do they 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:51.679 ring the bell. I mean, she's got a point. They 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:55.000 sort of leave it there and move on, And I 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:57.359 guess they're time poor. They've got deadlines to meet them. 0:20:57.400 --> 0:21:00.560 But that difficult to go ding a ling and say, oh, listen, 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:03.520 there's something at your door. I don't know, maybe Mitch 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:06.920 and Aya just having some bad luck. I suspect it 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:08.639 goes on in a few places. And there are a 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:10.200 lot of stories now, of course, about people that just 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:11.920 sort of roam around in their cars looking out the 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:15.199 window for parcels on verandas and patios and whatever. They 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:18.359 just pill for them, they nick them. So a little 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:21.000 ring on the doorbell wouldn't go astray. Just in case 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:23.679 you are home, you can get it inside, so no 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:27.200 one's going to permanently borrow what it is that you've 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:29.680 paid for twenty five to one, it was pretty clear 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:32.600 already a lot of you are concerned about this development 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:35.280 with Orcus and the American review. By the way, it's 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:36.760 twenty one to one. Good to have you there with 0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:39.560 us one three one eight seven three. Some with good 0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:42.960 memories will recall. Indeed, Jacob my EP has very good 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:47.240 memories like an elephant. The Prime Minister on April the 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:50.879 sixteenth was asked about Orcus and whether we need a 0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:54.399 plan B, a backup contingency, as some have been arguing 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:57.800 we should. Here's his response, mister ALMANEZI, do we need 0:21:57.800 --> 0:21:58.840 some contingency planning? 0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:01.639 No, because this is in the interests of both Australia 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:04.400 and the United States and the United Kingdom as well. 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:05.919 So no contingency plans. 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:07.320 All the chips are on August. 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:10.879 This is in the interests of the US. We have 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:15.800 I've been on a US sub there in Wa that's 0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:18.520 been doctor nuclear powered submarine. 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:19.639 They are Australian. 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:24.760 There are Australian mariners working on that submarine. We have 0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:28.320 people in the United States, in the United Kingdom working 0:22:28.359 --> 0:22:32.480 on the UCAST project and it has a bipartisan support. 0:22:32.760 --> 0:22:35.320 And what is extraordinary is a. 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:39.800 Questioning of that does nothing to advance Australia's national interests. 0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:44.080 The important thing about international relations is that you shouldn't 0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:47.520 try to score domestic political points. 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:49.320 Through it, all right, So it is the Prime Minister 0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:51.720 back on April the sixteenth before the election. No need 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:54.800 for back up here, because it's got bipartisan support. That's UCUS, 0:22:55.119 --> 0:22:57.159 and it's in the interests of both the United States 0:22:57.200 --> 0:22:59.639 and Australia and obviously Great Britain. Now I would agree 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:03.800 with that it's got bipartisan support, certainly publicly a few exceptions, 0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:07.760 but by by and large politically it does. And as 0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:10.320 I said earlier, it would be certainly in America's financial interest. 0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:12.680 I think in our long term security interest. It would 0:23:12.680 --> 0:23:14.360 be in our interest to get these submarines as well. 0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:17.200 So it is win win, But there have always been 0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:22.280 clouds hovering around this particular horizon. Now, someone who's been 0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:26.359 healthily skeptical, I think I can say that about the 0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:29.879 whole Orcust arrangement from the start is former sub mariner 0:23:30.160 --> 0:23:34.080 and former Senator Rex Patrick is actually in Sydney at 0:23:34.080 --> 0:23:35.800 the moment and is with me on the line. Good 0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:38.520 to speak again, Rex, Good Mick, Max. 0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:39.040 How are you. 0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:44.040 Now? You get to put your hand in Ben Fordham's 0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:46.200 wallet and pull one hundred out? So well under you? Rex? 0:23:47.040 --> 0:23:49.160 Good for you? 0:23:49.200 --> 0:23:49.480 All right? 0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:54.120 You got me off guard their orcus, what's the go here? 0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:58.879 I mean, is this really the Trump administration questioning whether 0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:02.360 they want to proceed or is this a bit of brinkmanship, 0:24:02.400 --> 0:24:05.080 a bit of gamesmanship before the meeting with Anthony Albanize, 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:07.800 you trying to get the broader defense spend up. 0:24:09.040 --> 0:24:11.439 Well, you never know how mister Trump is going to 0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:16.399 play out in terms of his negotiations. We've seen what 0:24:16.520 --> 0:24:18.800 he's been trying to do on tariff, which is not 0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:24.040 to approach the United States friends, it's actually to coerce them. 0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:28.960 So you know that could be on the cards. I 0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:31.840 think one of the outcomes of this review, or they're 0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:35.600 too likely outcomes of this review, because we have to 0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:39.960 go back to the ground. In the United States, we 0:24:40.119 --> 0:24:44.119 know that their shipyards, their submarine industrial base, is not 0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:50.280 producing enough submarines. That is, without dispute, they need to 0:24:50.320 --> 0:24:53.440 be producing two point three submarines per annum in order 0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:56.600 to be able to deliver US a Virginia class submarine. 0:24:57.359 --> 0:24:59.960 Last year they are at one point three. They've dropped 0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:03.359 back to about one point two submarines per annum, so 0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:06.359 they are not achieving what is required in order to 0:25:06.400 --> 0:25:10.920 be able to deliver the submarines. So there are two 0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:15.120 likely outcomes, because that's an honest baseline against which any 0:25:15.240 --> 0:25:18.760 discussion can work. It's these are not my words. These 0:25:18.760 --> 0:25:22.199 are the words of the Congressional Research Service and the 0:25:22.240 --> 0:25:25.919 Government Ordered Office in the United States, who keep a 0:25:25.960 --> 0:25:29.200 really close eye on these things. So the two outcomes 0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:32.080 that are likely here is that the United States will 0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:34.320 put up its hand and say, look, this is not 0:25:34.440 --> 0:25:37.040 going to work. We need to pull out. Alternatively, they'll 0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:40.040 put up the hand and say we're not achieving what 0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:42.879 we need to achieve. You need to pay more money. Australia, 0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:48.760 please send more money, more billions. 0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:52.840 Okay, if I were Trump and I'm sitting in the 0:25:52.840 --> 0:25:54.720 White House and I've got the orchest and greevment the 0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:56.560 deal in front of me, I do anything to make 0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:59.439 sure it continues, because we all know it seems to 0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:02.120 I think it's common knowledge now that under the terms 0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:05.040 of the agreement, Australia is to provide money, and we're 0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:07.040 talking a lot of money. I think already eight hundred million, 0:26:07.080 --> 0:26:10.160 if I'm not mistaken, has gone to the American military 0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:13.440 for the purposes of putting on a third production line 0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:15.880 for submarines to get that ratio up and all the rest. 0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:20.639 But there's no obligation on behalf of the Americans to 0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:24.600 send US Virginia class submarines if they can't meet their 0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:29.520 domestic demands first. So I mean, wouldn't you just take 0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:30.640 the money and be quiet. 0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:36.600 It's in US legislation that before any submarines can be 0:26:36.640 --> 0:26:41.800 transferred to the Royal Australian Navy, the President at the 0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:47.879 time must a certificate the fact that the provision of 0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:52.880 those submarines will not undermine US undersea warfare capability, and 0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:56.679 that the US Submarine Industrial base is in fact building 0:26:56.680 --> 0:27:00.720 in those submarines, so that will not be able to 0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:07.280 happen in any foreseeable way, if you believe the Congressional 0:27:07.320 --> 0:27:09.960 Research Service, and if you believe the Government Audited Office 0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:11.120 in the United States. 0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:13.440 So so again, if you were Trump, wouldn't you mean 0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:15.119 someone will tell him all of this, right, And so 0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:17.600 you're just said, okay, well, they can keep sending the money. 0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:20.280 We won't send him any submarines. But you know, eventually 0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:23.440 the nuclear technology will be sent via the British to 0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:25.399 the Australians. They can build whatever they want down at 0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:27.360 Osborne in the never and never, and you know, we're 0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:29.720 financially in front, and good luck to them. 0:27:30.280 --> 0:27:33.199 Yeah, And that's an awful, awful outcome for Australia. We 0:27:33.320 --> 0:27:35.600 end up spending billions. It is ear marked at this 0:27:35.680 --> 0:27:40.400 present moment that will send four point seven billion Australian dollars. 0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:43.080 We've already spent eight hundred have already sent eight hundred 0:27:43.119 --> 0:27:45.919 million dollars. As you know, we know the data that 0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:48.720 it was a couple of days before the United States 0:27:48.760 --> 0:27:54.080 announced a tariff on Australia for our steel. But we've 0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:57.800 sent that money across and there is no clawback. We 0:27:57.840 --> 0:28:01.600 are unable to get that money back. So we'll suffer 0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:07.520 both financially through the lack of delivery, but also from 0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:11.200 a national security perspective. And this is the problem about 0:28:11.200 --> 0:28:14.439 the Plan B that you've referred to. There is no 0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:17.760 plan Plan B is there that we will have no 0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:22.960 submarines and as a maritime nation, that is extremely worrying. 0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:30.240 Submarines are highly capable, they are force multipliers that they 0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:37.040 are absolutely essential to the defense of Australia. 0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:39.480 Okay, one of my listeners earlier said, well, what about 0:28:39.520 --> 0:28:42.080 drone submarines, I mean, drone anything seems to be cheaper 0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:45.400 than the original deal. But I'm no expert. You are, 0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:48.800 but i'd imagine drone submarines rely on GPS. If the 0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:50.959 Chinese were to bung a war on, the first thing 0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:52.680 they'd do is knock out a lot of GPS, So 0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:55.320 I don't know how useful they'd be. But also how 0:28:55.320 --> 0:28:58.880 far is their forward projection compared to a traditional nuclear 0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:00.360 powered submarine. 0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:04.560 Well, this is the difficulty. Is drone technology that we 0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:08.080 see being operated in the air is quite able to 0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:11.840 patch in video feed that back to a controller that 0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:14.360 can be on the other side of the globe using 0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:20.440 satellite systems. The moment you penetrate seawater, all of a sudden, 0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:24.680 the signal simply dies and so there is no control 0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:29.360 like a like there is for any airborne drone. The 0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:34.280 big antenas off Northwest Cape in Australia transmit really low 0:29:34.360 --> 0:29:40.840 frequency transmissions to underwater submarines and the message rate is 0:29:41.040 --> 0:29:44.400 really really slow. So it's just not possible to control 0:29:44.840 --> 0:29:48.720 submarines in the same way that we control drones. So 0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:54.920 it's sort of There are small drone submarines that are 0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:59.080 being built which will operate off mother submarines that will 0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:02.480 be sent off to do particular tasks and to come back, 0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:05.440 but they won't be in a position to be able 0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:10.400 to deployed, deploy across the Indian Ocean, or the Pacific 0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:15.000 Ocean or our northern waters, and I operate autonomously for 0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:17.840 the weeks that a submarine does. 0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:22.040 Now, all right, I'm still trying to just get my 0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:25.400 head around this review, what this is actually about, and 0:30:25.440 --> 0:30:28.080 whether from the White House the retric seems to be 0:30:28.320 --> 0:30:30.680 We'll have a look as to whether Orcus actually dovetails 0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:32.960 into the America First platform because there's a sign under 0:30:32.960 --> 0:30:36.800 Biden the Democrat, the Republican Trump's Now they've got different ideologies. 0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:41.120 So okay, but I'm almost coming to the conclusion that 0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:44.600 this is just a shakedown before Anthony Alberonezi arrives. 0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:48.120 Well, it could well be, because we know how Donald 0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:52.200 Trump plays this game. But Australia needs to look at 0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:57.280 this through a very cold lens, understanding what the situation 0:30:57.640 --> 0:30:59.600 is in the United States. 0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:01.480 This is actually an. 0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:08.680 Opportunity for us to actually baseline the program itself, to 0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:11.680 properly debate this and to work out what is in 0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:16.040 the best interests of Australia. The ORCHEST program is a 0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:19.360 bankrupting three hundred and sixty eight billion dollar program that 0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:23.000 is sapping money from a whole bunch of other capability 0:31:23.000 --> 0:31:28.800 that the Australian Defense Force requires. It has a sovereign 0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:32.200 risks in terms of its ability for us to be 0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:38.920 able to use these submarines independently, and the national security 0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:41.760 risk here is that if they are not delivered, we 0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:43.640 are left without submarines. 0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:46.040 Mind. I guess that's the risk all the time when 0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:48.600 we look at big purchases, right, I mean, okay, we 0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:50.440 could have done a deal with the French with Turnbull, 0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:52.640 but I mean would they have could they have delivered 0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:57.640 on time? I guess because we don't do a lot 0:31:57.640 --> 0:32:01.640 of this ourselves, there is always a sovereign is concerned. Granted, 0:32:01.680 --> 0:32:04.160 this is the big Daddy, but UCUS is also more 0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:06.720 than just the submarines, and I think people forget that 0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:08.680 it's potentially a three pillar agreement. 0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:13.240 Yeah, it does have other elements to ORCUS, and Pillar 0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:17.160 one is in fact the submarine element of it, but 0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:20.440 in my view it's the most important element. We can 0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:24.959 probably stick with things like Aucus Pillar two, which involve 0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:30.000 a bunch of high technology cooperation, but in the end 0:32:30.080 --> 0:32:33.440 we've got to be able to have a submarine capability 0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:38.240 Australia announced in two thousand and nine that we were 0:32:38.360 --> 0:32:42.040 going to get new submarines to replace the Colins class submarines. 0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:45.680 It is almost two decades later and we do not 0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:48.880 have a contract in place, and we have spent over 0:32:49.040 --> 0:32:53.160 six billion dollars not getting a single boat to put 0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:58.320 in the water. The Australian the Australian public's confidence in 0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:03.440 our Defense Department's ability to steward this in a proper 0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:07.240 direction to make the right choices, I think is quite 0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:11.120 undermined by all of the conduct to date. We really 0:33:11.520 --> 0:33:15.200 this is an opportunity for us this review because we 0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:19.680 can look at it from our own perspective as they 0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:21.520 are looking at it from their perspective. 0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:25.160 Just very very quickly, though, let's say we decided this 0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:27.760 is all too much, We're out, and that would be 0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:30.800 I think very problematic for the relationships with America and 0:33:30.840 --> 0:33:33.000 the White House at the moment, which would have its 0:33:33.040 --> 0:33:35.480 own cost. But where do we go then, I mean, 0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:37.160 we still don't have submarines. 0:33:37.920 --> 0:33:42.000 Well, Australia could get into contract relatively quickly for an 0:33:42.040 --> 0:33:48.240 off the shelf air independent propulsion submarine capability from either Korea, Germany, 0:33:48.520 --> 0:33:53.239 Spain or France. I'm talking about a capability where we 0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:57.719 don't tamper highly capable boats, and we could be building 0:33:57.760 --> 0:34:02.160 them in South Australia in the next twelve months. Again 0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:05.800 if we didn't tamper, and we're now at that stage 0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:08.319 where that's the sort of thing we would have to do. 0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:12.640 But we could buy twenty of these submarines for about 0:34:12.719 --> 0:34:15.920 thirty billion dollars and that gives US three hundred and 0:34:15.960 --> 0:34:19.799 thirty eight billion dollars in change two basically buy other 0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:23.280 capability that our defense force desperately needs. 0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:27.400 That is certainly a mouthful of food for thought. Rex, 0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:29.360 Thank you. I appreciate your time and your expertise. 0:34:29.760 --> 0:34:30.279 Good on now. 0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:32.600 Thank you well the best. Rex Patrick, former senator, former 0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:35.440 sub mariner. Certainly food for thought. It's nine minutes to 0:34:35.480 --> 0:34:38.040 one read the drone subs. A lot of people getting 0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:40.640 in touch with the ghost Shark. I'll have a good 0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:42.160 look at that. I have heard of that. I'm just 0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:44.200 not sure if it's total capabilities, but I've been sending 0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:46.080 a lot of links. Thanking you for that. Breaking news 0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:47.759 coming through in the world of rugby league. This is 0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:50.920 breaking news. Mitchell Moses is out of origin too. He's 0:34:50.960 --> 0:34:56.040 injured his left car for training today. So the performance 0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:59.160 manager confirmed the news at the team's hotel in Lua. 0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:01.640 This is just coming through. So Mitchell Moses is out. 0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:06.800 Matt Burton's the eighteenth man and five eighth option. Maybe 0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:09.720 Jerome Leway I'm seeing here, let's see, so Mitch Moses 0:35:09.800 --> 0:35:13.120 is out. Now. Trouble on the roads. There's a two 0:35:13.560 --> 0:35:18.759 truck crash. This is on the M seven between Woodstock 0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:20.960 Avenue and Richmond Road. I'm told the M seven has 0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:24.440 closed northbound. This is just coming through a two truck 0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:28.040 crash on the M seven motorway between Woodstock Avenue and 0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:32.200 Richmond Road. The M seven closed northbound. There are diversions 0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:35.080 at Woodstock Avenue, Rudy Hill Road north and then back 0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:37.680 onto the M seven. Just to repeat, the M seven 0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:40.160 closed northbound from Rudy Hill to Oakhurst due to that 0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:43.360 two truck crash between Woodstock Avenue and Richmond Road. Northbound 0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:47.680 traffic being diverted off the wood Stock Avenue rejoining the 0:35:47.760 --> 0:35:49.839 M seven at the Richmond Road on ramp. 0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:55.120 Now onto GB and Network stations. 0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:58.080 Back to afternoons with Michael McLaren. 0:35:59.360 --> 0:36:01.640 Yeah, I think of it joining us just before the 0:36:01.680 --> 0:36:03.799 news obviously giving you the details about what's happening on 0:36:03.800 --> 0:36:07.560 them seven with that two truck crash. But on the 0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:10.600 trains there is some issues as well. On the railways today, 0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:13.640 passengers are being advised to allow some extra travel time 0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:16.400 on the T one Western and North Shore lines. On 0:36:16.440 --> 0:36:19.080 the T nine Northern Line, that's due to an incident 0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:24.320 requiring emergency services at Strathfield. Trains may stop on platforms 0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:27.239 or between stations for longer than normal and may also 0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:31.640 change at short notice. Okay, so there is also the 0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:35.239 potential for delays on the T too Leppington and in 0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:37.040 a West line, the T three Liverpool and in the 0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:40.080 West Line, and the Central Coast and Newcastle and Blue 0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:42.600 Mountains lines as well. I mean, I think they all 0:36:42.680 --> 0:36:45.920 run through Strathfield. It's a big term, a big, a 0:36:45.960 --> 0:36:49.920 big thoroughfare there. So passengers should listen to announcements and 0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:53.720 check information displays for service updates because of what's happening 0:36:53.760 --> 0:36:57.440 there at Strathfield. News just coming through out of the 0:36:57.520 --> 0:37:03.239 United States that a mob called the Pown They're a 0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:07.080 US based company that are involved in the battery game. 0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:10.200 They also happen to be the main supply to Australia's 0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:14.040 most powerful big battery. I think that's the Waratar battery. Well, 0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:17.200 they've filed for Chapter eleven bankruptcy in New Jersey, thro 0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:19.759 a New Economy, saying that they've reported more than three 0:37:19.840 --> 0:37:23.319 hundred million US in debt. It's better part of half 0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:27.960 a half a billion dollars. A bankruptcy petition filed on Tuesday, 0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:31.400 US Time said that the company had between one thousand 0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:35.680 and five thousand creditors, but also liabilities estimated at between 0:37:35.680 --> 0:37:39.160 one hundred and five hundred million US. The Colorado based 0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:42.520 company last month did warn local authorities that it may 0:37:42.600 --> 0:37:44.839 have to completely shut down the business and lay off 0:37:44.840 --> 0:37:48.000 its employees by the end of July if its financial 0:37:48.080 --> 0:37:51.880 situation did not improve. As I said, there's an Australian 0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:55.200 connection here. I believe they supply a number of batteries, 0:37:55.239 --> 0:37:58.760 but the Waratar battery I think is the big one. 0:37:58.920 --> 0:38:03.839 And although the battery there has already been installed, as 0:38:03.840 --> 0:38:08.520 it says here, it's unclear how Power's bankruptcy declaration will 0:38:08.560 --> 0:38:15.200 affect integration and maintenance going forward. So yes, it is possible. 0:38:15.320 --> 0:38:17.480 Even with all the government money and everything being thrown 0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:19.880 at renewable energies, it is still possible. To go bankrupt 0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:22.399 if you don't play it right. One three one eight 0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:25.640 seven three Darren I was speaking about deliveries earlier. Yours 0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:28.000 ended up in a rather difficult position. 0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:30.000 That tried. 0:38:30.040 --> 0:38:34.160 Michael. I ordered a lovely expensive pair of headphones to 0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:37.480 be delivered, and a contractor subjected out or got a 0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:40.720 delivery person to deliver it. Anyway, what happened was await 0:38:40.760 --> 0:38:42.560 of weeks and I said to the I rang them 0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:45.239 up and they said, look, it was delivered. We've contacted 0:38:45.239 --> 0:38:47.800 the delivery, but he left it in your letter box. 0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:49.919 I said, well, I've got to drive by one hundred 0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:51.880 and eighty meters long, and the leader box is a 0:38:51.880 --> 0:38:54.239 sustained letter box. And he said, if he could fit 0:38:54.320 --> 0:38:56.440 that parcel in my letter box, I could fit a 0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:58.960 thousand golf balls in the petrol tag mate. I said, 0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:01.360 there's no way he could have left it in the 0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:03.800 letter box. So I went back and forward, I took photos, 0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:07.600 got a long story short. After about three months they 0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:11.960 decided they'd replace the headphone, so that was good. Then 0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:15.279 my regular delivery guy came back about three weeks later 0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:17.839 with after his holidays, and he was telling me by 0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:19.919 telling him about it. He said made check your roof. 0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:22.200 He said, why, he said they put it. They put 0:39:22.200 --> 0:39:24.799 a bake off about a month ago because people were 0:39:24.800 --> 0:39:27.400 fighting stuff on their roofs. And I got the ladder 0:39:27.840 --> 0:39:29.879 and here's my headphone's been sitting on the roof. 0:39:30.320 --> 0:39:31.399 He threw them up on the roof. 0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:33.040 Pop doing the deliveries. 0:39:34.840 --> 0:39:37.080 But they're supposed to take a photo when they deliver 0:39:37.120 --> 0:39:39.439 it to say where they show the you know where 0:39:39.440 --> 0:39:39.960 they they. 0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:41.120 Delivered in a safe spot. 0:39:41.120 --> 0:39:42.360 But he didn't have any photos. 0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:44.600 And I went up on the roof and his maye, 0:39:44.600 --> 0:39:46.640 here's a box sort of it was still in a 0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:50.160 plastic sitting on the roof. And apparently I wasn't the 0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:50.880 first one. 0:39:51.320 --> 0:39:53.480 Well, they were safe because no robber would have thought 0:39:53.520 --> 0:39:55.800 about climbing up on a ladder to steal your parcel. 0:39:56.320 --> 0:39:59.360 Yeah, I was looking around for a great big blackboot 0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:00.680 or someone with a. 0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:06.720 That's right, very good. Well, next time I get something delivered, 0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:08.680 I might I might sort of invite them to throw 0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:10.680 it on the roof. At least that way it'll be safe. 0:40:11.320 --> 0:40:14.919 Just keep I always do. Got to clean those guns out. 0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:17.560 Thanks Darren, great story, all the best mate appreciated. One 0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:20.319 three one eight seven three. Yes, the deliveries that have 0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:24.640 gone wrong. Now, I've got to say, I love this story. 0:40:24.719 --> 0:40:26.840 I love this sort of thing. It's the wanna be 0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:29.760 archaeologist in me. I think that gets all excited thinking 0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:34.480 that there's still wonderful things to be discovered and recovered. 0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:39.160 I'm referring here to the Colombian government announcing, I think overnight, 0:40:39.920 --> 0:40:44.520 an expedition to remove items of so called incalculable value 0:40:45.040 --> 0:40:48.120 from the wreck of the legendary San Jose Gallion. Now 0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:52.040 that one sank back in seventeen eight, but it was 0:40:52.080 --> 0:40:56.720 a particularly important vessel because it was laden with gold 0:40:57.400 --> 0:41:02.160 and silver and emeralds, and they were headed back to Spain. 0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:06.320 Didn't get there because the British decided to put a 0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:08.560 couple of cannon balls in the side of it hit 0:41:08.600 --> 0:41:10.839 the munition's area of the boat, and up she went, 0:41:11.239 --> 0:41:14.239 and then down she went. Well, the Culture Minister of 0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:17.520 Columbia said that seven years after the discovery of the wreck, 0:41:17.520 --> 0:41:20.600 and that was off Columbia's coast, an underwater robot would 0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:22.960 now be sent to recover some of the bounty. The 0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:26.920 bounty Bindo was estimated to be worth billions of dollars. 0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:30.520 The ABC reporting that the robot will work at a 0:41:30.560 --> 0:41:32.360 depth of about six hundred meters and it's going to 0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:35.279 remove items such as ceramics, pieces of wood, and shells 0:41:35.320 --> 0:41:37.640 without modifying or damaging the wreck. Well, I mean that's 0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:40.080 all exciting, but all eyes are going to obviously be 0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:43.600 on the glittery stuff, chests full of emeralds. I mean, 0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:45.560 that's the thing people want to see. You you can 0:41:45.600 --> 0:41:47.640 hold your ceramics. We want to see the jewels. But 0:41:48.239 --> 0:41:51.000 it's thought that after three centuries underwater, most of the 0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:53.200 items on board will have undergone some sort of physical 0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:57.360 or chemical change and they could will disintegrate when pulled 0:41:57.360 --> 0:41:58.520 out of the water. So they've got to do this 0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:02.160 very carefully. There's experts involved. But the precise location of 0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:06.040 the expedition is going to be kept secret because there 0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:10.160 are obviously bounty hunters treasure hunters that would want to 0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:13.120 get there. So the government knows where it is and 0:42:13.160 --> 0:42:16.640 they're going in. Now the fight will now be should 0:42:16.640 --> 0:42:21.640 anything of value be recovered, who owns it? Okay, So 0:42:23.400 --> 0:42:25.960 the tug of war has begun according to this article 0:42:25.960 --> 0:42:29.839 in the ABC as to who gets custody of the bounty. Now, 0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:32.680 Spain quick out of the block said, oh, we should 0:42:32.719 --> 0:42:35.640 get it because it was a board of Spanish ship. 0:42:36.560 --> 0:42:40.760 Bolivia's Karacara nation said that they should get the treasures 0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:44.200 because the Spanish forced the community way back when to 0:42:44.360 --> 0:42:49.280 mine the precious metals. They're sort of indentured labor. Columbia's 0:42:49.320 --> 0:42:52.560 government wants to use the country's own resources to recover 0:42:52.640 --> 0:42:54.839 the wreck and then to make sure that they then 0:42:54.920 --> 0:42:58.200 get it. So you can see. You know, it's a 0:42:58.280 --> 0:43:00.640 three way fight at the moment. Others in there for 0:43:00.680 --> 0:43:02.600 their take. It could be worth a lot of money. 0:43:03.239 --> 0:43:07.000 So let's watch this space. But the history is absolutely fascinating. 0:43:07.000 --> 0:43:08.719 We might speak to someone tomorrow if we get the chance. 0:43:08.880 --> 0:43:11.360 The San Jose Gallion was owned by the Spanish crown 0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:14.200 when it was sunk by the British navy that was 0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:19.360 near Cartagena in seventeen eight, and only a handful of 0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:22.760 the six hundred crew survived. The ship had been heading 0:43:22.800 --> 0:43:25.960 back from what was known as the New World to 0:43:26.040 --> 0:43:28.560 the court at King Philip the fifth of Spain, and 0:43:28.600 --> 0:43:30.880 as I said, it was laden with the treasures, particularly 0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:33.880 those chests of emeralds. There was said to be something 0:43:34.000 --> 0:43:40.239 like two hundred ton of gold coins. God pay your 0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:42.239 power bill for six months at least with that. So 0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:48.040 the fighters on to first recover things safely and then 0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:51.640 to get custody of them. I suspect, like with most things, 0:43:51.719 --> 0:43:53.920 when there's a custody battle, the people that actually get 0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:55.600 the real loot at the end will be the lawyers. 0:43:55.880 --> 0:43:57.600 It's a quarter past one. Well, look good to have 0:43:57.600 --> 0:44:00.560 you there with us. Last year I read a fascion book. 0:44:00.600 --> 0:44:04.960 It's called The Secret History of Flight one for nine. Now. 0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:06.799 I'll tell you a little more about this flight in 0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:10.239 a moment. But the story was an interesting one, and 0:44:10.320 --> 0:44:12.680 it honestly could have been a fiction piece if it 0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:17.239 wasn't actually telling the very real story of nearly four 0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:21.120 hundred passengers on board b A one four nine. Now. 0:44:21.160 --> 0:44:24.279 The flight in question departed from Heathrow Airport. It was 0:44:24.320 --> 0:44:28.400 destined for Kuala Lumpa, never made it, and it stopped 0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:32.080 to refuel, as you did back in the early nineties 0:44:33.280 --> 0:44:38.720 in Q eight. Now. That was very unfortunate timing because 0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:41.280 it was just as a rak had launched that full 0:44:41.320 --> 0:44:45.800 scale invasion of Q eight. Now. The landing led to 0:44:45.880 --> 0:44:48.480 almost four hundred passengers and crew who were simply flying 0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:52.000 to Malaysia being taken hostage. Now, look, i'd sort of 0:44:52.040 --> 0:44:53.879 let the story sit in the back of my mind 0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:54.920 for a while. I read that, I said, I got 0:44:54.920 --> 0:44:56.200 the book last year and I read it and I 0:44:56.280 --> 0:44:58.560 couldn't really put it down. It was a fascinating well 0:44:59.120 --> 0:45:04.759 written But by chance the story reappeared in the newspaper 0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:07.760 I think it was the Sydney Morning Herald late last 0:45:07.840 --> 0:45:11.319 week because there's a case in court about this very 0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:14.160 incident right now over in the UK, with the airline, 0:45:14.160 --> 0:45:16.680 British Airways and the UK Government fighting a High Court 0:45:16.760 --> 0:45:20.280 lawsuit brought by passengers and crew on board. Now in total, 0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:23.160 there's more than one hundred claimants, including the estates of 0:45:23.200 --> 0:45:26.840 several deceased individuals listed on the court filing accusing the 0:45:26.880 --> 0:45:31.280 airline of acting quote unquote in concert with the UK 0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:37.160 government to deliver spies to what was a war zone. 0:45:37.400 --> 0:45:40.040 And they're saying we just as paying passengers were collateral. 0:45:40.080 --> 0:45:44.880 Now a coincidence that's pretty relevant to me actually in this, 0:45:45.000 --> 0:45:46.840 I guess, is why in some ways I was hooked 0:45:46.840 --> 0:45:49.440 on the story from the start. Is this whole flight 0:45:50.280 --> 0:45:53.799 BA one four nine landed in Q eight on the 0:45:53.880 --> 0:45:58.720 day that was actually my birthday, August second, nineteen ninety. 0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:03.520 I was turning five and all these poor people were 0:46:03.520 --> 0:46:07.480 about to have their lives turned upside down. Now a 0:46:07.600 --> 0:46:11.319 journalist got whiff of the story early in nineteen Well, 0:46:11.400 --> 0:46:13.960 when I say early, early after the events of August 0:46:14.040 --> 0:46:17.680 nineteen ninety, and it never left his conscious. Now his 0:46:17.760 --> 0:46:22.280 name is Stephen Davis, and after years of research, hundreds 0:46:22.280 --> 0:46:26.480 of interviews people all over the world, he's put together 0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:29.479 the book The Secret History of Flight one four nine. 0:46:30.239 --> 0:46:31.920 And as it says on the cover of the book, 0:46:32.239 --> 0:46:34.480 well he claims it's the most shocking government cover up 0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:36.920 of the last thirty years. I'm pleased to say, he 0:46:37.000 --> 0:46:39.360 joins me on the line. Stephen, it's wonderful to speak 0:46:39.360 --> 0:46:40.479 with you, and thank you for your time. 0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:43.840 Thank you for having me. Michael, You've already made me 0:46:43.880 --> 0:46:46.840 feel slightly old because when you were five, I was 0:46:47.320 --> 0:46:49.480 a journalist on the Independent on side. 0:46:49.800 --> 0:46:51.640 Okay, well you were there on the desk of the 0:46:51.680 --> 0:46:55.040 Independent back then you got whiff of this story. So 0:46:55.239 --> 0:46:59.640 we're back in very early August nineteen ninety. This aeroplane 0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:02.120 BA one for nine is landed in Q eight. The 0:47:02.160 --> 0:47:05.760 Iraq War is on the Iraqis are rolling the tanks 0:47:06.200 --> 0:47:08.960 at the airport in Q eight. They've taken the whole 0:47:09.000 --> 0:47:11.320 show over, and you think there might be a little 0:47:11.320 --> 0:47:13.200 bit more to this story than meets the eye. 0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:15.239 Yeah. 0:47:15.280 --> 0:47:15.879 I got a. 0:47:15.760 --> 0:47:20.759 Call from a contact who was familiar with the operations 0:47:20.760 --> 0:47:24.359 of the intelligence services and the plane had landed and 0:47:24.400 --> 0:47:27.080 the people had been captured by the Iraqis. But the 0:47:27.120 --> 0:47:30.160 spin being put out by the UK government was, you know, 0:47:30.320 --> 0:47:32.920 don't worry too much, it's just sort of an extended 0:47:32.960 --> 0:47:36.480 holiday for these people. There they were in luxury hotels, 0:47:36.560 --> 0:47:39.560 they're sipping cocktails by the pool and the sunshine, which 0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:42.719 ironically enough, was true for about three days because the 0:47:42.760 --> 0:47:45.759 Iraqis were shocked to have this plane delivered into their 0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:49.680 hands and didn't know what to what to do about it. 0:47:49.960 --> 0:47:53.280 The British the government's spin was, yeah, it's just all okay, 0:47:53.320 --> 0:47:59.960 and the plane landed before the invasion started, and my contacts, 0:48:00.680 --> 0:48:02.839 you've got to start looking into this. What they're saying 0:48:02.880 --> 0:48:06.160 about this plane isn't true. And that was the start 0:48:06.200 --> 0:48:09.960 of an epoch three decade plus long investigation. 0:48:10.640 --> 0:48:13.919 Yeah, epic. Indeed, it's still ongoing. And as we were saying, 0:48:13.920 --> 0:48:16.920 actually before we started speaking on a documentary debut on 0:48:16.960 --> 0:48:19.880 Sky UK last night about all of this. So others 0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:22.000 have picked up the story, leveraging off a lot of 0:48:22.040 --> 0:48:25.160 your research and their own research. I think we're now 0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:27.799 starting to get a bit of a sense of what happened. Now, 0:48:28.360 --> 0:48:32.280 let's go back to those before the plane even lands 0:48:32.320 --> 0:48:35.560 in Kwait, because this is where potentially the real crux 0:48:35.600 --> 0:48:39.080 of the story begins. So these the whole bunch of passengers, 0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:40.600 they think they're flying to more than their plan is. 0:48:40.640 --> 0:48:43.319 They're going to fly to Malaysia. They're taking BA. We 0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:46.640 know things are brewing in the Middle East, but BA. 0:48:47.040 --> 0:48:49.600 The flighters on the tarmac, they're sort of ready to 0:48:49.680 --> 0:48:51.759 take off, and then all of a sudden, a whole 0:48:51.800 --> 0:48:55.000 bunch of fit looking guys turn up and are seated 0:48:55.040 --> 0:48:57.640 on the plane. And this is the start of the story, 0:48:57.719 --> 0:48:58.080 isn't it. 0:48:59.440 --> 0:49:02.279 Yes. The context is that as people got to the 0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:06.240 airport that morning, the BBC was already reporting that Iraqi 0:49:06.239 --> 0:49:09.400 troops had gathered on the border of Kuwait. Sadam had 0:49:09.440 --> 0:49:12.360 been threatening to invade for months. So the passengers are 0:49:12.400 --> 0:49:15.160 sitting there, there's a delay, and this group gets on 0:49:15.239 --> 0:49:17.880 board and they walked past. They were seen by about 0:49:17.920 --> 0:49:20.640 half the people on the plane. Ironically, and up Ba 0:49:20.840 --> 0:49:23.919 still denies that a group got on board, even though 0:49:23.960 --> 0:49:27.000 so many people saw them. And as they walked past, 0:49:27.239 --> 0:49:29.279 a few people looked at them and thought, hmm, this. 0:49:29.400 --> 0:49:29.759 Is a way. 0:49:29.800 --> 0:49:35.000 They looked like soldiers to me. And so I set 0:49:35.040 --> 0:49:39.840 out to find out who those people were, and it 0:49:39.960 --> 0:49:43.839 turns out they were, and I've interviewed some of them, 0:49:43.880 --> 0:49:47.040 and I've interviewed the mission planner. It turns out they 0:49:47.080 --> 0:49:49.319 were part of a sort of to put it in 0:49:49.400 --> 0:49:52.279 populace terms of black ops group. It's known in the 0:49:52.280 --> 0:49:56.239 business as the Increment. It's a deniable group who work 0:49:56.440 --> 0:49:59.920 for British intelligence who they use on missions that you know, 0:50:00.120 --> 0:50:04.080 they don't want you to know about. And that plane 0:50:04.680 --> 0:50:07.520 should never have flow it, It should never have landed. 0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:10.480 It was the only plane Michael to land that night. 0:50:10.560 --> 0:50:13.480 In fact, a Kuwaiti Airlines plane which was due to 0:50:13.560 --> 0:50:16.520 land at about the same time, got an urgent message 0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:22.000 shaing divert to Bahrain Airport closed emergency. And yet there's 0:50:22.080 --> 0:50:28.040 BA one four nine flying in landing and the tanks 0:50:29.040 --> 0:50:32.200 had already surrounded the airport Iraqi tanks. 0:50:32.680 --> 0:50:36.480 Okay, so the theory. Therefore, and this is your theory 0:50:36.480 --> 0:50:40.600 in the book. The plane landed for a reason, and 0:50:40.640 --> 0:50:44.319 the reason was that the British government wanted to offload 0:50:44.440 --> 0:50:47.680 these fit looking fellows that had got on the flight 0:50:47.840 --> 0:50:48.359 rather late. 0:50:49.840 --> 0:50:54.239 Yes, their job was to the British government wanted to 0:50:54.280 --> 0:50:56.719 get a team and to keep an eye on the 0:50:56.760 --> 0:51:01.520 movements of Iraqi troops. Because the Great Fear was taking 0:51:01.560 --> 0:51:05.080 you back to that era, Michael, that if Saddam Hussein 0:51:05.120 --> 0:51:10.360 successfully invaded Kuwait and then went on to invade Saudi Arabia, 0:51:10.520 --> 0:51:15.200 Northern Saudi Arabia, this dictator would control forty percent of 0:51:15.239 --> 0:51:19.480 the world's oil supply. So this team, yeah oil, absolutely 0:51:19.719 --> 0:51:23.560 inevitably with the Middle East oil. This team were to 0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:27.400 keep an eye on the movement of the Saddam's troops 0:51:27.800 --> 0:51:31.880 to report back if he looked like invading. That was 0:51:31.920 --> 0:51:36.680 their job, and they they planned the mission several days 0:51:36.680 --> 0:51:40.839 in advance. Indeed, one of my big discoveries in the investigation, 0:51:41.560 --> 0:51:45.440 I got some CIA files and the CIA had issued 0:51:45.440 --> 0:51:52.560 a formal warning of attack about seven days beforehand. So 0:51:52.880 --> 0:51:59.160 it was absolutely outrageous that these people were delivered into 0:51:59.200 --> 0:52:03.520 the hands of Sada Hussein and then of course, even 0:52:03.600 --> 0:52:08.520 worse for them was the British government commissioned this report 0:52:08.600 --> 0:52:11.760 after they all got back, was called Operation sand Castle, 0:52:12.239 --> 0:52:16.759 and it documented hundreds of war crimes committed against them 0:52:17.239 --> 0:52:20.560 and Allied citizens or Australians on the plane, by the way, 0:52:21.080 --> 0:52:29.480 were talking raps, mock executions, starvation, psychological torture. No sooner 0:52:29.520 --> 0:52:32.160 had this report been commissioned, that was in nineteen ninety one, 0:52:32.200 --> 0:52:35.960 than that was suppressed as well. So not only were 0:52:36.000 --> 0:52:38.480 these people landed in a war zone, they were denied 0:52:38.560 --> 0:52:41.520 even the public knowledge of the terrible things that happened 0:52:41.520 --> 0:52:42.040 to them. 0:52:41.920 --> 0:52:43.880 And some of their lives have been, for better or 0:52:43.960 --> 0:52:47.279 worse ruined. I think the terminology one should use. And 0:52:47.320 --> 0:52:49.400 you've spoken to them and the book it's all outlined 0:52:49.400 --> 0:52:52.320 and whatnot. But over the years the British governant have 0:52:52.320 --> 0:52:55.640 had different positions on what had happened and what they knew, 0:52:55.680 --> 0:52:58.719 and that position has changed with time, hasn't it. 0:53:00.320 --> 0:53:04.840 Yes, it's a clever use of language. For instance, a 0:53:04.960 --> 0:53:09.400 couple of years after the event, John Major made a 0:53:09.400 --> 0:53:11.520 statement he was Prime Minister then saying there were no 0:53:11.760 --> 0:53:16.120 serving British military personnel on the plane, the keyword being 0:53:16.280 --> 0:53:21.480 serving they've twisted and turned, and they've given various variations 0:53:21.520 --> 0:53:25.000 of that statement. But I can tell you something remarkable 0:53:25.400 --> 0:53:28.920 in the defense that they just filed to this court case. 0:53:29.520 --> 0:53:33.759 The UK government lawyers, in a little note by the way, 0:53:33.920 --> 0:53:37.560 on the bottom of one of the pages, says, oh, 0:53:37.840 --> 0:53:41.200 we cannot rule out that there were military or military 0:53:41.239 --> 0:53:46.760 intelligence people on the plane by coincidence. So three decades 0:53:46.800 --> 0:53:50.960 after Major's statement, they've essentially reversed it. The factor is 0:53:51.040 --> 0:53:55.319 these INK people are not formally special forces or intelligence there. 0:53:55.360 --> 0:53:56.840 You know, they're a deniable group. 0:53:57.600 --> 0:54:00.359 Okay. Now, as for British Airways itself, they had an 0:54:00.360 --> 0:54:02.680 office in Bahrain. I think at the time small or 0:54:02.680 --> 0:54:05.640 that it might have been. I guess this is a 0:54:05.680 --> 0:54:08.120 two pronged story. On the one hand, you've got the 0:54:08.160 --> 0:54:10.920 British government. On the other hand, you've got British Airways 0:54:11.800 --> 0:54:14.400 and they've been peppered with legal cases over the years. 0:54:15.120 --> 0:54:17.239 What's their take been on this? Has that changed over 0:54:17.320 --> 0:54:17.959 time as well? 0:54:19.280 --> 0:54:23.360 No, British always deny all responsibility. They've been allowed to 0:54:23.360 --> 0:54:25.799 get away with various statements in the media which are 0:54:25.880 --> 0:54:29.680 simply untrue. Most recently they said they had succeeded in 0:54:29.760 --> 0:54:33.800 legal action in France and in Texas. In fact, the 0:54:33.960 --> 0:54:37.200 French passengers sued they won the case against BA. They've 0:54:37.200 --> 0:54:40.240 got a lot of money, so did the passengers in Texas. 0:54:41.840 --> 0:54:45.080 BA as I said, deny that this group got on 0:54:45.120 --> 0:54:48.319 the plane even though their own cabin services direct to 0:54:48.360 --> 0:54:53.480 Clive Irthy in a formal statement and in the documentary 0:54:53.640 --> 0:54:57.680 state that's what happened. But the crucial thing is also 0:54:57.719 --> 0:55:00.719 that late night meeting, so ba's manager went off to 0:55:02.440 --> 0:55:05.800 the British embassy to get some advice on this potential invasion, 0:55:05.880 --> 0:55:08.919 and he spoke to a man called Tony Pace, who 0:55:08.920 --> 0:55:12.400 had many titles but actually was the MI six station 0:55:12.600 --> 0:55:15.600 chief in Kuwait. Tony appears in my book and in 0:55:15.640 --> 0:55:19.480 the documentary, and Tony Pace very carefully said, if you've 0:55:19.480 --> 0:55:22.040 got a plane coming through it this particular time, that 0:55:22.160 --> 0:55:25.520 is the time one four nine was due to land, 0:55:26.120 --> 0:55:29.960 it would not be advisable to fly that plane. BA 0:55:30.080 --> 0:55:32.400 had been saying for three decades. They were told it 0:55:32.480 --> 0:55:35.400 was safe to fly, and the government, in a statement 0:55:35.440 --> 0:55:38.680 a few years ago, finally confirmed what Pace said was true. 0:55:38.840 --> 0:55:42.480 So you know, this entire story has been surrounded by 0:55:42.520 --> 0:55:46.400 the most sort of blatant deception. I've been in the 0:55:46.480 --> 0:55:49.160 VESCA to reporter for a long time, done a lot 0:55:49.200 --> 0:55:54.520 of different investigations, and seldom have I seen such sustained lying. 0:55:54.600 --> 0:55:59.120 Really Okay, the plane itself, the actual physical BA Jet 0:55:59.160 --> 0:56:03.200 was the Coniston Water and some people might remember it 0:56:03.280 --> 0:56:05.319 because there was a rather iconic image at the end 0:56:05.360 --> 0:56:07.319 of the war in nineteen ninety one where just the 0:56:07.360 --> 0:56:09.520 tail of it was left. The rest of it was 0:56:09.520 --> 0:56:12.560 sort of a smoldering, blown up heap on the tarmac 0:56:12.600 --> 0:56:14.319 of Q eight. And as you say in the book, 0:56:14.560 --> 0:56:19.200 the Akis were well regarded for basically pilfering anything they 0:56:19.200 --> 0:56:21.799 could get their hands on as they retreated. Here was 0:56:21.840 --> 0:56:24.520 the opportunity to take one hell of a bounty prize. 0:56:24.520 --> 0:56:26.880 They could have had a BA jet and flown it 0:56:26.960 --> 0:56:30.839 back to Bagdad, but instead we're told they just blew 0:56:30.880 --> 0:56:32.719 it up on the tarmac on the way out as 0:56:32.760 --> 0:56:34.719 sort of a I don't know, two fingered salute to 0:56:34.760 --> 0:56:37.800 the Allies or something. Is that the story or was 0:56:37.840 --> 0:56:39.080 there something more to it? Again? 0:56:40.320 --> 0:56:42.640 Oh, there's much more to it. So I always thought 0:56:42.680 --> 0:56:45.520 that story was very strange, simply because, as you said, 0:56:45.880 --> 0:56:48.239 the Iraqis took everything when they left. They you know, 0:56:48.280 --> 0:56:51.600 they took tats and light bulbs and chairs and deaths 0:56:51.600 --> 0:56:53.839 and everything they could lay the hands on. Why leave 0:56:53.880 --> 0:56:56.719 this prize on the ground. It turns out I know 0:56:56.840 --> 0:57:00.760 from an absolutely impeachable source that the plane wasn't blown 0:57:00.800 --> 0:57:03.480 up by their arkies. It was actually blown up, as 0:57:03.480 --> 0:57:06.280 it were, by our side, by the US Air Force. 0:57:06.680 --> 0:57:08.799 Now bear in mind, did an interesting thing about the 0:57:08.840 --> 0:57:12.680 act of it being destroyed. That meant that British Airways 0:57:12.719 --> 0:57:18.160 got a huge insurance payout nineteen ninety money seven pounds, 0:57:18.960 --> 0:57:22.200 So they got a huge insurance payout while fighting through 0:57:22.240 --> 0:57:25.880 the courts for years to deny the passengers and crew compensation. 0:57:26.320 --> 0:57:28.800 And they're still fighting through the courts to deny that. 0:57:30.120 --> 0:57:32.440 I guess at the end of this though your story, 0:57:32.480 --> 0:57:34.680 and no doubt this will come through in this documentary 0:57:34.720 --> 0:57:36.840 on Sky in the UK will see it here eventually 0:57:36.880 --> 0:57:39.520 New Zealand etc. When it comes. But the story is 0:57:39.560 --> 0:57:43.480 really of all the individuals, the innocent people that were 0:57:43.520 --> 0:57:46.520 simply thinking they were booking a flight on a BA 0:57:46.560 --> 0:57:50.680 aeroplane to get to Malaysia. They didn't get there, and 0:57:50.720 --> 0:57:53.000 as we said, many of their lives were ruined. A 0:57:53.080 --> 0:57:56.120 number of these people were young children who were mentally 0:57:56.160 --> 0:58:00.520 scarred by the events that took place subsequent to the 0:58:00.560 --> 0:58:02.800 Iraqis taking control of that aircraft. 0:58:04.200 --> 0:58:07.760 Yeah, Jennifer Chapel was twelve years old at the time 0:58:07.800 --> 0:58:11.880 of the flight, celebrated, if that's the word, her thirteenth 0:58:12.000 --> 0:58:15.720 birthday while in captivity. Her life has been destroyed, her 0:58:15.800 --> 0:58:19.400 sense of trust, She's never been able to hold down 0:58:19.400 --> 0:58:24.080 a proper job. She sadly tried to kill herself several times. 0:58:24.360 --> 0:58:28.680 I spoke to Jennifer quite recently and she's still in counseling. So, 0:58:29.400 --> 0:58:31.720 you know, that kind of stuff makes me angry because 0:58:31.760 --> 0:58:34.760 I said they were denied even the publication of the 0:58:34.800 --> 0:58:37.800 report about the terrible things that happened to them. You know, 0:58:37.920 --> 0:58:42.320 lives were ruined, and because of the government spin. By 0:58:42.360 --> 0:58:45.800 the way, Michael, when they got back after four months 0:58:45.840 --> 0:58:48.680 in captivity, people were saying, oh, yeah, you had a 0:58:48.680 --> 0:58:51.200 bit of a holiday, didn't you. But you're okay, you're 0:58:51.320 --> 0:58:55.240 right now, You're alive. Just imagine, just imagine having people 0:58:55.320 --> 0:58:59.240 say that to you when you've actually really really struggled. 0:58:59.840 --> 0:59:02.560 And there were so many stories like that. I've sat 0:59:02.600 --> 0:59:05.680 in living rooms where people have remembered what happened to 0:59:05.720 --> 0:59:08.960 them decades later, and they've started to shake, they've started 0:59:09.000 --> 0:59:12.320 to cry because they're still suffering from PTSD. 0:59:13.520 --> 0:59:15.760 It is a fascinating story and by the sound of things, 0:59:15.800 --> 0:59:18.280 although it all started to take place on August two, 0:59:18.360 --> 0:59:21.600 nineteen ninety, here we are well into twenty twenty five. 0:59:22.320 --> 0:59:24.600 There are still many chapters yet to play out. Thank 0:59:24.640 --> 0:59:26.240 you for your time, Steven, I appreciate it. 0:59:27.280 --> 0:59:27.600 Thank you. 0:59:27.640 --> 0:59:30.160 Michael Stephen Davis, as I said, he's the author of 0:59:30.200 --> 0:59:34.440 the secret History of Flight one four nine and a 0:59:34.520 --> 0:59:38.640 story indeed. Now, legal action being brought by former passengers 0:59:38.640 --> 0:59:41.120 and staff on board BA flight one four nine against 0:59:41.120 --> 0:59:44.200 the UK Governor Brush Airways was announced last year. A 0:59:44.560 --> 0:59:48.840 date for trial, though has not been set. Passengers and 0:59:48.880 --> 0:59:51.000 crew were suing the UK govern and the airline for 0:59:51.080 --> 0:59:54.560 damages over their injuries, both physical and psychiatric, as well 0:59:54.600 --> 0:59:59.280 as special damages for their consequential losses and aggravated and 0:59:59.360 --> 1:00:03.600 punitive images due to the alleged wrong doing. Now, while 1:00:03.640 --> 1:00:06.760 files from the British government released in November twenty twenty 1:00:06.760 --> 1:00:10.720 one do show that the UK Ambassador to Quate had 1:00:10.800 --> 1:00:14.160 warned the UK government of the Iraqi invasion. The British 1:00:14.200 --> 1:00:18.720 government denies that it knowingly put passengers at risk by 1:00:18.880 --> 1:00:24.520 using the flight for military purposes. British Airways denies any 1:00:24.560 --> 1:00:34.080 wrongdoing over the incident. Well from a story in nineteen 1:00:34.160 --> 1:00:36.479 ninety to the present. Let's get to the newsroom, Katie Fuller, 1:00:36.520 --> 1:00:37.600 Good afternoon. 1:00:37.160 --> 1:00:41.160 Good afternoon. Michael accused Marshroom killer Aaron Patterson has finished 1:00:41.160 --> 1:00:45.760 her cross examination, denying allegations she swapped simcards while she 1:00:45.840 --> 1:00:49.000 was given time to call a lawyer during a police search. 1:00:49.520 --> 1:00:52.640 Three people are in custody arrested over a public place 1:00:52.680 --> 1:00:56.800 shooting and car fire in Sydney's West. Some analysts believe 1:00:56.840 --> 1:00:59.960 the White House may be preparing to reduce its commitments 1:01:00.320 --> 1:01:03.640 or walk away from the orcas packed altogether after the 1:01:03.720 --> 1:01:07.240 US announced it would review the nuclear submarine deal and 1:01:07.360 --> 1:01:10.280 Australian women are bearing the brunt of the cost of 1:01:10.320 --> 1:01:13.920 living crisis. A survey suggests women are twenty one percent 1:01:14.160 --> 1:01:17.760 less confident than men when it comes to preparing for retirement. 1:01:18.360 --> 1:01:21.360 In sports, Jerome Louis or Matt Burton are expected to 1:01:21.400 --> 1:01:24.160 take over at five eighth from the injured Mitchell Moses 1:01:24.320 --> 1:01:27.240 for the Blues. In State of origin TiO Moses has 1:01:27.280 --> 1:01:30.480 been ruled out with a calf injury. Michael More news 1:01:30.560 --> 1:01:34.080 in about twenty five minutes on afternoons. 1:01:34.360 --> 1:01:38.280 Oh weather update, We'll be here to help in unexpected weather. 1:01:38.720 --> 1:01:41.080 Nurmain Insurance a help company. 1:01:41.200 --> 1:01:43.400 Okay, Sydney a shower or two developing today, top of 1:01:43.440 --> 1:01:46.560 seventeen in the city, fifteen for Terry Hills, sixteen to Paramatta, 1:01:46.880 --> 1:01:52.920 seventeen for Campbelltown, Bondi, Richmond and Penrith. Tomorrow sixteen the 1:01:52.960 --> 1:01:55.280 top shower or two expected. They say maybe six mil. 1:01:55.560 --> 1:01:59.160 Another three mil potentially on Saturday, most likely in the 1:01:59.160 --> 1:02:01.960 morning and the afternoon. However, a top of seventeen degrees 1:02:02.120 --> 1:02:05.200 now canbra excuse me thirteen the top today morning frost 1:02:05.200 --> 1:02:08.680 and partly cloudy conditions. Tugrenong's the same, somewhere between minus 1:02:08.680 --> 1:02:11.640 one and thirteen depending on the time. Tomorrow morning frost 1:02:11.680 --> 1:02:14.640 and a partly cloudy day. Similar story on Saturday, top 1:02:14.680 --> 1:02:18.440 of probably about fourteen. Morning frost and partly cloudy conditions 1:02:18.440 --> 1:02:21.880 in the Capitol Lithgo gooday through two Olt eleven the 1:02:21.920 --> 1:02:25.840 max today for you, morning frost, partly cloudy, just nine 1:02:25.880 --> 1:02:29.480 for Orange Mude. You'll get to thirteen, Bathist twelve, Cotomber 1:02:29.560 --> 1:02:32.640 ten spring Wood will get to about fifteen tomorrow somewhere 1:02:32.680 --> 1:02:35.920 between zero and eleven in Lithgo partly cloudy after a 1:02:35.920 --> 1:02:38.400 bit of morning frost, and then a partly cloudy Saturday, 1:02:38.440 --> 1:02:40.800 a top of twelve one three, one, eight seven three 1:02:40.800 --> 1:02:42.480 will take a break when we come back, Anna with 1:02:42.600 --> 1:02:44.160 the world of entertainment. 1:02:49.080 --> 1:02:51.520 Now one afternoons Squen Torch. 1:02:53.320 --> 1:02:55.479 Well, after the world of screens we go, and who 1:02:55.520 --> 1:02:57.680 better to occupy that space than the wonderful and a 1:02:57.760 --> 1:03:01.680 core day and a good afternoon noon Michael the small 1:03:01.760 --> 1:03:04.200 screen first, in the truest sense of the word, your 1:03:04.280 --> 1:03:07.960 midday movie. Now, you've got two I. 1:03:08.040 --> 1:03:11.760 Do because there were two choices that I just couldn't 1:03:11.760 --> 1:03:15.000 tear my eyes away from, and they were absolutely horrific. 1:03:15.080 --> 1:03:18.400 So I had to just bring everyone into the experience 1:03:18.440 --> 1:03:21.400 that I had. So first up, we have Dying to Win, 1:03:21.440 --> 1:03:24.400 which aired on nine Go yesterday, but it is available 1:03:24.400 --> 1:03:26.800 on nine now, so don't fret. You can still watch 1:03:26.840 --> 1:03:31.040 this one. Limber up because Dying to Win. Jesse is 1:03:31.080 --> 1:03:34.160 a gold medal winning gymnast. She's coming to terms with 1:03:34.240 --> 1:03:37.360 a tragic accident that killed her friend and fellow competitor. 1:03:37.680 --> 1:03:40.280 Her mum is this classic overbearing, will threaten to kill 1:03:40.320 --> 1:03:42.760 anyone who crosses her daughter kind of parent, which makes 1:03:42.800 --> 1:03:45.360 you think maybe she knocked off this teammate. But when 1:03:45.400 --> 1:03:48.400 her mother and stepdad are found murdered at home, Jesse 1:03:48.480 --> 1:03:51.640 finds herself tangled up in a messy web of lies. 1:03:52.440 --> 1:03:55.400 It was so bad. This web of lies is not 1:03:55.560 --> 1:03:58.200 very tangled, and it's not a very good web. I've 1:03:58.200 --> 1:04:00.760 got to worry about the spider that's woven it together. 1:04:00.800 --> 1:04:03.840 And no disrespect for the lead actress, but I honestly 1:04:03.880 --> 1:04:05.560 think a plank of wood could have done a better 1:04:05.640 --> 1:04:08.880 job in the lead there. But as I said, look, 1:04:08.920 --> 1:04:12.080 if you don't have anything better to do than with 1:04:12.160 --> 1:04:14.360 an hour and twenty five minutes of your time, it 1:04:14.480 --> 1:04:17.040 is available on nine now. But the other one is 1:04:17.120 --> 1:04:21.520 quite an outstanding midday movie. It's currently on seven right now, 1:04:21.560 --> 1:04:24.400 But again I have checked it is on seven plus, 1:04:24.440 --> 1:04:25.960 so you do not have to run to your TV 1:04:26.360 --> 1:04:28.880 too quickly. But to give you a setup, this is 1:04:28.920 --> 1:04:33.360 called a sister's grudge. Lindsey is the perfect daughter and 1:04:33.400 --> 1:04:37.840 her mother dies in mysterious circumstances and at her mum's funeral. 1:04:38.080 --> 1:04:40.080 She gets the shock of her life when she learns 1:04:40.120 --> 1:04:43.160 that she has a half sister, and very quickly, this 1:04:43.280 --> 1:04:46.320 perfect life of hers starts to unravel and she begins 1:04:46.320 --> 1:04:49.920 to suspect maybe her sister is to blame. I do 1:04:49.960 --> 1:04:51.560 think the title of the film does kind of give 1:04:51.560 --> 1:04:53.640 it away for you there. But I had a few thoughts. 1:04:54.000 --> 1:04:57.000 Three main thoughts really while I was watching this. First, 1:04:57.200 --> 1:05:01.120 was this written by robots? Second was have the actors 1:05:01.160 --> 1:05:04.080 ever seen a movie before? Scratch that has anyone involved 1:05:04.280 --> 1:05:07.280 ever seen a movie in their lives? And Three, I 1:05:07.320 --> 1:05:09.560 hope seven didn't pay a single cent to get the 1:05:09.680 --> 1:05:10.080 rights for this. 1:05:10.120 --> 1:05:12.520 Well, as a loyal employee of nine, I hope they 1:05:12.600 --> 1:05:13.560 paid overs for it. 1:05:14.120 --> 1:05:17.720 That's true. That's true. One, I don't understand who's paying 1:05:17.720 --> 1:05:20.200 who to put this movie on air right now. I 1:05:20.240 --> 1:05:22.600 was absolutely shocked. The other thing I was shocked about 1:05:22.600 --> 1:05:25.840 this week, the Wedding Singer has somehow become a midday movie. 1:05:25.880 --> 1:05:29.720 I was absolutely outraged. I don't understand. I thought midday 1:05:29.760 --> 1:05:32.240 movies were meant to be rogue classics from the fifties, 1:05:32.360 --> 1:05:36.080 and these really bad, practically homemade movies from circa twenty 1:05:36.120 --> 1:05:38.760 twenty two to twenty twenty three. I don't understand how 1:05:39.040 --> 1:05:42.200 an eighties classic like The Wedding Singer could be a 1:05:42.240 --> 1:05:43.040 midday movie. 1:05:43.240 --> 1:05:47.360 Dear, dear, Okay, Well, stressful times people got the radio 1:05:47.400 --> 1:05:49.160 one now probably thinking well, that's the reason why I 1:05:49.200 --> 1:05:52.000 gave up the idiot box during the day. Let's go 1:05:52.080 --> 1:05:55.480 to the real thing. Materialists pluy. 1:05:55.680 --> 1:05:58.920 Yes, this is an actual cinematic masterpiece. Maybe not quite. 1:05:59.040 --> 1:06:00.960 I wouldn't maybe take it that far, but it is 1:06:01.000 --> 1:06:04.400 a very good film. So Materialist stars at Dakota Johnson 1:06:04.440 --> 1:06:06.800 as Lucy. She's a thirty something living in New York 1:06:07.000 --> 1:06:09.800 making a living as a professional matchmaker. She's single when 1:06:09.840 --> 1:06:12.439 we meet her, but she soon meets this charming guy 1:06:12.440 --> 1:06:15.720 who ticks all the supposed boxes. He's ultra rich, tall, handsome, 1:06:15.760 --> 1:06:18.400 great personality, also has a penthouse in New York. You know, 1:06:18.480 --> 1:06:21.200 can't go past that. But when Lucy also runs into 1:06:21.200 --> 1:06:25.520 her broke, struggling actor ex boyfriend, old feelings are reignited. 1:06:25.760 --> 1:06:28.000 Who will she choose? Does she follow her heart or 1:06:28.040 --> 1:06:30.880 her head? There is much much, much more to the 1:06:30.920 --> 1:06:32.920 film than that. That is a very simple kind of 1:06:32.960 --> 1:06:35.640 overview of it. It also does, you know, expertly navigate 1:06:35.640 --> 1:06:38.200 the modern dating world and it's serious pitfalls. But look, 1:06:38.240 --> 1:06:41.880 we've also got alongside Dakota Johnson, Pedro Pascalaman of the Moment, 1:06:41.920 --> 1:06:44.920 and Chris Evans. I love a good romance. Romance. This 1:06:45.000 --> 1:06:45.720 was a great romance. 1:06:45.760 --> 1:06:47.200 I'm just going to put it out there not having 1:06:47.240 --> 1:06:48.640 seen it. But if I had to put the house 1:06:48.640 --> 1:06:49.800 on it, she follows the heart. 1:06:50.560 --> 1:06:53.880 Oh look, I'm not not gonna spoil anything. I'm not 1:06:53.920 --> 1:06:54.640 gonna spoil it. 1:06:56.200 --> 1:06:59.480 Okay, How to Train your Dragon? 1:07:00.360 --> 1:07:04.120 Yes, lots of questions that will be answered in this film. 1:07:04.160 --> 1:07:06.720 If you are a Viking living on the Isle of Burke. 1:07:06.840 --> 1:07:08.640 So if you've been living under a rock for the 1:07:08.680 --> 1:07:11.720 past fifteen years, you might have missed the animated masterpiece 1:07:11.760 --> 1:07:13.440 that came out in twenty ten. That is How to 1:07:13.440 --> 1:07:16.040 Train your Dragon. Strap in for a wild ride, Because 1:07:16.040 --> 1:07:18.160 if you haven't seen it, this is the live action 1:07:18.680 --> 1:07:20.360 remake of that original film. 1:07:20.480 --> 1:07:21.880 It is arab. 1:07:22.240 --> 1:07:26.240 Absolutely of course, only real dragons in a live action remake. 1:07:26.360 --> 1:07:29.440 Definitely not CGI. But to give you a quick rundown, 1:07:29.640 --> 1:07:32.320 Hiccup is a kid. He's the Viking. He's the kid 1:07:32.320 --> 1:07:35.360 of Viking King Stoic. The vast Hiccup doesn't have a lot, 1:07:35.440 --> 1:07:38.400 he's not really living up to his dad's expectations, but 1:07:38.440 --> 1:07:41.480 that all changes when he finds and befriends Toothless, who 1:07:41.520 --> 1:07:44.560 is a knight fury dragon and you know they're feared 1:07:44.600 --> 1:07:47.040 on the Isle of Burke. But Hiccup and Toothless set 1:07:47.040 --> 1:07:49.720 out to challenge those perceptions of dragons and also fight 1:07:49.840 --> 1:07:53.520 together against a pretty bad threat to Burke. I highly 1:07:53.560 --> 1:07:56.280 recommend this movie. It is stunning. It is a really 1:07:56.360 --> 1:08:00.480 worthy live action remake of what is really an animation classic. 1:08:00.680 --> 1:08:03.200 Gerard Butler has chucked on about forty kilo's worth of 1:08:03.280 --> 1:08:07.160 Viking gear to reply reprise his role as Stoic, but 1:08:07.200 --> 1:08:09.200 it's also a really great young cast in the movie 1:08:09.200 --> 1:08:11.560 as well. Lots of family fun, fun for adults, fun 1:08:11.600 --> 1:08:12.080 for everyone. 1:08:12.360 --> 1:08:13.880 By the way, before we go and that sounds nice, 1:08:14.040 --> 1:08:15.640 Mitch on the Tech says, thanks for the tip and 1:08:15.760 --> 1:08:18.320 a ree stick with Owen Wilson. I'm enjoying it. 1:08:18.320 --> 1:08:18.600 It is. 1:08:18.960 --> 1:08:20.040 It's a lot of fun. 1:08:20.479 --> 1:08:22.599 That's what he says. It's really enjoying effect. 1:08:22.680 --> 1:08:24.599 If you love golf like my dad, you'll be right on. 1:08:26.240 --> 1:08:28.000 Deep cover. This is on Prime Video. 1:08:28.680 --> 1:08:30.840 Yes, this one is out today and it is just 1:08:30.880 --> 1:08:33.920 one of those silly streaming romps. So it follows three 1:08:34.080 --> 1:08:36.720 improv actors who take on the role of a lifetime. 1:08:37.080 --> 1:08:39.479 They're hired by the police to do sting operations and 1:08:39.520 --> 1:08:43.160 they have to infiltrate the London criminal underworld one yes 1:08:43.400 --> 1:08:45.200 and at a time, because that, of course is the 1:08:45.280 --> 1:08:47.479 rule of improv. You always have to say yes. And 1:08:47.880 --> 1:08:50.719 so we've got Bryce Dallis, Howard, Orlando Bloom, Nick Muhammad 1:08:50.720 --> 1:08:53.760 from ted Lasso fame. They're our trio of actors, and 1:08:53.760 --> 1:08:56.160 we also have Sean Been as the policeman in charge 1:08:56.160 --> 1:08:59.479 of this slightly bumbling trio. It's a really, really fun one. 1:08:59.560 --> 1:09:03.920 Orlando Bloom is surprisingly funny. I didn't look he's. 1:09:03.800 --> 1:09:05.639 Not normally stand up comedy sort of stuff. 1:09:05.640 --> 1:09:08.000 He's not. He's not usually funny, and you know, we 1:09:08.280 --> 1:09:10.599 kind of know him as legalis and you know, those 1:09:10.680 --> 1:09:13.280 kind of more serious, gritty kind of roles. But he 1:09:13.400 --> 1:09:16.439 is surprisingly funny in this and it's a great movie 1:09:16.439 --> 1:09:18.360 to watch on the couch. And the good news is 1:09:18.400 --> 1:09:19.719 it is on Prime video today. 1:09:20.439 --> 1:09:22.360 I've got another one where they get back together. Here 1:09:22.800 --> 1:09:25.000 mix tape on binge. 1:09:24.880 --> 1:09:27.680 Just giving out all the spoilers there, but yes, we've 1:09:27.720 --> 1:09:29.880 got a new Aussie original today. It was also co 1:09:29.960 --> 1:09:33.599 made with Screen Ireland. So the series hops between nineteen 1:09:33.640 --> 1:09:36.320 eighty nine and present day. In nineteen eighty nine, we're 1:09:36.360 --> 1:09:39.760 in Sheffield, England. We meet teenagers Daniel and Allison. They're 1:09:39.800 --> 1:09:42.080 young and in love. But cut to present day where 1:09:42.080 --> 1:09:44.479 we reunite with the pair, but they're living very different, 1:09:44.560 --> 1:09:46.840 very separate lives. But over the course of this four 1:09:46.920 --> 1:09:50.600 episode mini series we learn how their paths kind of deviated, 1:09:51.080 --> 1:09:53.439 but also how they are brought back together through their 1:09:53.479 --> 1:09:57.639 shared music memories. Hence obviously the title mix tape. Theresa 1:09:57.640 --> 1:10:01.440 Pamer in the lead of the series along at Jim Sturgis. 1:10:01.560 --> 1:10:03.760 It's a really lovely series, a great drama, lots of 1:10:03.840 --> 1:10:07.120 romance and it has a banging soundtrack, as it should 1:10:07.120 --> 1:10:09.480 if it's called mixtapes. That's on Binge today. 1:10:09.560 --> 1:10:12.479 And this one would be good. I think everyone will 1:10:12.520 --> 1:10:14.120 know the story because it was in the news not 1:10:14.160 --> 1:10:18.919 that long ago. Titan the Ocean Gate submersible disaster. Netflix 1:10:18.960 --> 1:10:20.400 has this, yes. 1:10:20.160 --> 1:10:22.720 And this is streaming now. There are two things that 1:10:22.760 --> 1:10:25.840 I'm endlessly fascinated about, and I go on really big, 1:10:26.000 --> 1:10:29.720 deep Internet dives on it. The Titanic and this Titan subdisaster. 1:10:29.840 --> 1:10:32.719 I cannot get my mind out of it. I'm just obsessed. 1:10:32.760 --> 1:10:35.400 But this is obviously the Titan sub disaster is the 1:10:35.400 --> 1:10:38.920 subject of this new documentary. It's fascinating but also harrowing 1:10:39.400 --> 1:10:41.719 when they kind of take us into how on earth 1:10:41.760 --> 1:10:44.840 this submersible disaster happened two years ago now pretty much 1:10:44.840 --> 1:10:47.559 exactly to the day. So the doco takes us through 1:10:47.680 --> 1:10:50.799 the near decade of bad decisions and lies and mistakes 1:10:50.840 --> 1:10:53.679 that led up to the moment that the implosion happened, 1:10:53.760 --> 1:10:56.280 and as well, you know that subsequent desperate search and 1:10:56.320 --> 1:10:59.360 the investigation that followed. As I said, it's scary, it's 1:10:59.400 --> 1:11:02.759 harrowing it but also infuriating, and we painted a pretty 1:11:02.760 --> 1:11:06.680 clear picture through the use of the ocean Gate company footage, whistleblowers, 1:11:06.720 --> 1:11:11.120 former employees, data investigators. It's all pretty comprehensive. I mean, I, 1:11:11.240 --> 1:11:13.080 like you said, we all remember when it happened. I 1:11:13.120 --> 1:11:14.600 was losing I would waking up in the middle of 1:11:14.640 --> 1:11:16.160 the night to see if there were updates when we 1:11:16.160 --> 1:11:18.720 thought maybe they were still alive. But you know, it's 1:11:18.840 --> 1:11:21.840 it still leaves us with a few questions who is 1:11:21.920 --> 1:11:24.920 responsible for all of this? It's a really really interesting watch. So, 1:11:24.960 --> 1:11:26.479 like I said, that's on Netflix now. 1:11:26.640 --> 1:11:28.920 Mind you, that result hasn't stopped others trying to do 1:11:28.960 --> 1:11:32.599 the same, right, So the quest lives on. That's human nature. 1:11:32.600 --> 1:11:34.919 I suppose for you, wasn't it The ocean is terrifying? 1:11:34.960 --> 1:11:36.439 Why would you go down deep into it? 1:11:36.600 --> 1:11:38.760 Yeah, I'm sort of with you on that. Mind you, 1:11:38.760 --> 1:11:40.720 if fathers are willing to do it, they can discover in. 1:11:41.400 --> 1:11:44.360 Robot down there's a we're getting come up with that technology. 1:11:44.479 --> 1:11:46.599 I know we're getting there, aren't we. Good on you, Anna, 1:11:46.680 --> 1:11:48.720 thank you, appreciate you. While you've been talking, I've just 1:11:48.760 --> 1:11:51.799 had my right eye glancing over to that Channel seven. 1:11:52.600 --> 1:11:54.559 Program you are in for a treat. 1:11:54.720 --> 1:11:58.360 I get to read the subtitles and even better, could 1:11:58.360 --> 1:11:59.599 be ai you could be right. 1:12:00.360 --> 1:12:02.800 I really think that that's how they're doing it. Chatty 1:12:02.960 --> 1:12:04.200 GPT is getting too smart. 1:12:04.240 --> 1:12:06.479 They got their money's worth, all right. God on you 1:12:06.640 --> 1:12:08.960 to thank you, enjoy your weekend. Thank you, and a 1:12:09.040 --> 1:12:11.559 cor day there with screen talk tend to okay For 1:12:11.600 --> 1:12:13.000 those of you who are going to be taking the 1:12:13.040 --> 1:12:16.320 train home this afternoon. Just an update here read what 1:12:16.479 --> 1:12:19.480 was happening at Strathfield. I'm being told that train services 1:12:19.560 --> 1:12:23.360 are returning to normal following an incident requiring emergency services 1:12:23.360 --> 1:12:26.719 at Stratfield earlier today. There had been delays to services 1:12:26.720 --> 1:12:31.160 on some lines. However those delays have mostly eased. I'm 1:12:31.160 --> 1:12:33.800 told passengers should continue to listen to announcements and check 1:12:33.800 --> 1:12:36.720 information displays for the latest service updates. Of course, you've 1:12:36.760 --> 1:12:41.360 always got the websites and the apps Transport NSW dot info, 1:12:41.479 --> 1:12:45.400 Transport NSW dot info or you can download that Transport app. 1:12:45.479 --> 1:12:47.760 But it does look as though things are returning to 1:12:47.840 --> 1:12:52.679 normal slowly after that incident earlier at Strathfield one three 1:12:52.720 --> 1:12:55.120 one eight seven three five and a half minutes to 1:12:55.160 --> 1:12:57.479 two Frank, what was your take on orcas? 1:12:58.960 --> 1:13:04.679 Look, we send over a team of engineers and everyone 1:13:04.880 --> 1:13:08.760 and help them out to build the subs, because we're 1:13:08.760 --> 1:13:14.439 going to need them to maintain them. So that would 1:13:14.600 --> 1:13:19.400 also help our military capability as well, instead of just 1:13:19.479 --> 1:13:22.560 canceling the whole thing. I mean, we're going to need experts, 1:13:24.200 --> 1:13:29.200 so why don't we send over our top military people 1:13:29.320 --> 1:13:34.840 in nuclear and also to help build the subs. We've 1:13:34.840 --> 1:13:37.560 got very good tradesmen. 1:13:38.240 --> 1:13:40.960 One of those. Just to add to one of those points. 1:13:40.960 --> 1:13:43.680 We have no top military people in nuclear I mean, 1:13:43.720 --> 1:13:46.680 that's part of the issue here, right, so we had none, 1:13:46.840 --> 1:13:51.000 but there is already an exchange of personnel going on. 1:13:51.560 --> 1:13:54.799 There are sub mariners being trained in the United States, 1:13:55.200 --> 1:13:57.240 and some of that training has continued out here. I 1:13:57.320 --> 1:13:59.320 have no doubt that some of the top brass have 1:13:59.360 --> 1:14:02.719 been back and forth a few times in initial discussions 1:14:02.760 --> 1:14:04.720 about what's going to happen here. Perhaps some engineers and 1:14:04.760 --> 1:14:07.760 technical people as well from Osborne in adelaide about where 1:14:07.760 --> 1:14:09.639 this could all end up and what's required. That would 1:14:09.680 --> 1:14:12.559 already be happening. But Weather sending a bevy of people 1:14:12.600 --> 1:14:14.720 over to the United States on the third production liner, 1:14:14.800 --> 1:14:17.800 so we'll get cracking. Whether that would help, I don't know, 1:14:18.520 --> 1:14:20.559 but if it would, we should consider it. I thank 1:14:20.600 --> 1:14:22.439 you for the call. We had the two o'clock news 1:14:22.479 --> 1:14:24.880 just around the corner. Jim Haynes will be in the 1:14:24.920 --> 1:14:28.320 building straight after that with Sydney's Siders. A wonderful Sydney 1:14:28.320 --> 1:14:30.640 Siders story today for you. With they all are, but 1:14:30.680 --> 1:14:32.559 this is particularly one of the one and a whole 1:14:32.600 --> 1:14:34.840 lot more so stay with us. News is up in 1:14:34.920 --> 1:14:35.200 just a. 1:14:35.160 --> 1:14:42.280 Moment now onto GB and Network stations. Back to afternoons 1:14:42.320 --> 1:14:43.480 with Michael McLaren. 1:14:44.560 --> 1:14:46.799 Good. Nice to have you there with us. Beautiful Friday, 1:14:46.960 --> 1:14:48.920 a little bit of cloud in the sky, but nothing 1:14:48.920 --> 1:14:51.000 too much to worry about there. Good to be with you. 1:14:51.080 --> 1:14:52.920 One three one eight seven three. If you've just come along, 1:14:53.000 --> 1:14:54.879 you've come at a good time. Jim Haynes and Sydney 1:14:54.880 --> 1:14:57.800 Siders in just a moment. Another wonderful edition of that 1:14:58.439 --> 1:15:00.559 chapter of the show later on. And I will ask 1:15:00.600 --> 1:15:03.240 you also about the NDS. I know we've been over 1:15:03.240 --> 1:15:06.120 this a thousand times. Who hasn't, But there was a 1:15:06.120 --> 1:15:10.400 development overnight and that is that the Disability Agency, the NDA, 1:15:10.640 --> 1:15:13.320 they oversee the whole thing, have revealed they're going to 1:15:13.360 --> 1:15:19.240 slash the maximum fees that service providers can charge NDS participants. 1:15:19.880 --> 1:15:24.360 So these are the fees that physiotherapists, dietitians whatever can charge, 1:15:24.400 --> 1:15:28.240 the maximum fees they can charge a participant on the scheme. Now, 1:15:28.240 --> 1:15:30.760 as The Australian reported last night, as part of the 1:15:30.800 --> 1:15:33.120 annual review into the scheme's costs, and they've got to 1:15:33.160 --> 1:15:35.839 be rained in, there's no doubt about it. The National 1:15:35.840 --> 1:15:40.679 Disability Insurance Agency said that it would lower price limits 1:15:40.680 --> 1:15:42.840 for a range of services in an effort to bring 1:15:42.880 --> 1:15:46.960 them back in line to what Australians not on the 1:15:47.080 --> 1:15:52.360 NDS we're paying now. Of course, this has long been 1:15:52.400 --> 1:15:57.679 a huge issue with the NDIS. Those four letters NDIS 1:15:58.240 --> 1:16:01.080 seem to be akin to the word wedding, the hospitality trade. 1:16:01.120 --> 1:16:03.120 You know, it's a license just inflate the price of 1:16:03.160 --> 1:16:07.400 a similar service. And many people I know that have 1:16:07.479 --> 1:16:09.880 had interactions with the NDIS say, well, look, I could 1:16:09.920 --> 1:16:12.800 have got this piece of equipment or that service or 1:16:12.840 --> 1:16:16.000 whatever it is for about a third of the price 1:16:16.600 --> 1:16:19.600 if I were able to do it outside of the parameters. 1:16:19.600 --> 1:16:26.320 And they are restrictive of the NDIS scheme that THESS schemically. 1:16:26.600 --> 1:16:30.519 So this is an issue. If you've got a government 1:16:30.880 --> 1:16:35.439 scheme where the people that are providing services to it, 1:16:35.600 --> 1:16:38.880 but also to the wider community seem to think they 1:16:38.920 --> 1:16:42.680 can charge an enormous premium to the NDIS participants or 1:16:42.680 --> 1:16:45.360 their careers or whoever pays the bills as opposed to 1:16:45.439 --> 1:16:47.680 somebody else who's not on the NDIS for a very 1:16:47.720 --> 1:16:50.760 similar service, then we've got a problem. I think most 1:16:50.800 --> 1:16:54.240 would say that is just inappropriate, and it would go 1:16:54.280 --> 1:16:56.439 a long way to explaining why the scheme is so 1:16:56.520 --> 1:17:00.640 damn expensive, miles above what the maximum for forecast was 1:17:00.680 --> 1:17:02.599 when it was first put together all those years ago 1:17:02.680 --> 1:17:06.000 with Julia Gillard and Jenny Macklin, I think, and all 1:17:06.040 --> 1:17:08.880 of the others involved at the time. So I'll get 1:17:08.880 --> 1:17:12.920 some of your stories about the examples where because you've 1:17:12.920 --> 1:17:15.800 had to do something through the ndis that you could 1:17:15.800 --> 1:17:19.800 have done as a non participant outside the scheme, that 1:17:19.880 --> 1:17:24.640 the price has just been so outrageously inflated that you 1:17:24.720 --> 1:17:26.680 just roll your eyes say, hang, this is why this 1:17:26.720 --> 1:17:28.799 thing's going to cost fifty billion a year in rising. 1:17:29.880 --> 1:17:32.000 We'll deal with that later in the hour one three 1:17:32.000 --> 1:17:32.960 one eight seven three. 1:17:33.120 --> 1:17:36.879 There were history makers, frauds and fakers, ladies and renowned 1:17:37.520 --> 1:17:39.960 good ones, bad ones, quite a few mad ones lived 1:17:39.960 --> 1:17:44.160 in Sydney Town. There were fascinating characters, convicts, Parrister's servants 1:17:44.200 --> 1:17:47.559 of the Crown. Con means strong men, all the wrong men. 1:17:47.600 --> 1:17:49.599 There's a ton of them, and every one of them 1:17:49.640 --> 1:17:51.360 lived in Sydneytown. 1:17:51.439 --> 1:17:55.200 Now on afternoons Sydney with Jim Haynes. 1:17:55.479 --> 1:17:57.040 Well, here he is has promised and he's in a 1:17:57.120 --> 1:18:00.720 very subtle jacket too, I might add hello, Jim Hayes bike. Yes, 1:18:01.200 --> 1:18:02.559 this is my speaking jacket. 1:18:03.040 --> 1:18:05.479 I was going to take it off in the basement 1:18:05.520 --> 1:18:06.160 and car park. 1:18:06.479 --> 1:18:08.040 It's too cough, so I left and on. 1:18:09.120 --> 1:18:12.639 But I was talking to the lovely people out at 1:18:12.680 --> 1:18:19.000 Castle Hill, Kellyville Hill's probus and they told me that 1:18:19.720 --> 1:18:22.160 you know, then they're our calling you, Mick Mac. 1:18:23.080 --> 1:18:26.479 See this is something Ben Fordham's start. Oh okay, now 1:18:26.520 --> 1:18:28.719 this is yes. So Ben had to give one hundred 1:18:28.720 --> 1:18:31.559 dollars to a former senator today. He was the first 1:18:31.640 --> 1:18:33.240 one on here to call me Mick Mac. That was 1:18:33.280 --> 1:18:35.840 the deal. Oh, first call through to do it. And 1:18:35.880 --> 1:18:37.680 so it's Rex Patrick. So there you go. 1:18:37.840 --> 1:18:41.519 Well it didn't take long to reach Castle Hill. Let 1:18:41.560 --> 1:18:44.439 me tell you. They lovely bunch of people out there, Yes, 1:18:44.479 --> 1:18:48.479 and most of them are listeners, of course, and we're 1:18:48.520 --> 1:18:51.599 going to talk. We're going way back today. It's it's 1:18:51.640 --> 1:18:56.040 always a little difficult to find the number of females 1:18:56.080 --> 1:18:59.160 because a lot of our Sydney Siders are colonial from 1:18:59.200 --> 1:19:01.439 the colonial period, and then we have the twentieth century 1:19:01.439 --> 1:19:05.320 even and of course there's more men who are chronicled 1:19:06.000 --> 1:19:11.040 in the colonial era. But you know, the women are there, 1:19:11.120 --> 1:19:13.080 you just have to search for them. And some of 1:19:13.160 --> 1:19:18.040 the archivists at the various schools, and my old school 1:19:18.160 --> 1:19:21.880 has a big archive happening now on a website. I 1:19:21.920 --> 1:19:27.200 got the magazine, so we might be asking the archivist 1:19:27.240 --> 1:19:30.800 at Sydney Boys, who are the great Sydney Siders that 1:19:30.840 --> 1:19:33.519 we've produced. I just saw one of them on TV, 1:19:33.600 --> 1:19:37.360 Scott Morrison. But we don't talk about living people. It's 1:19:37.400 --> 1:19:41.320 too dangerous. So we're going way back in time to 1:19:41.400 --> 1:19:45.600 talk about this amazing woman and her name now the Aura. 1:19:45.920 --> 1:19:49.200 And you always want to say the Aora people, but 1:19:49.320 --> 1:19:54.200 it's like Fuji. You don't say Mount Fuji because Fuji 1:19:54.240 --> 1:19:57.479 means the mountain, so you don't say if you say 1:19:57.479 --> 1:20:00.720 Mount Fuji, you're saying, oh, mountain, mountain. And if you 1:20:00.760 --> 1:20:05.000 say Aora people, you're saying people people, right, because. 1:20:05.640 --> 1:20:07.880 We say wogga wog Well that's different. 1:20:10.000 --> 1:20:14.920 That means a lot of something, yes, but in that's 1:20:14.920 --> 1:20:18.719 where Agerie language. But you know, so we just say 1:20:18.760 --> 1:20:22.479 the Aura. The people who inhabited the Sydney Basin. There 1:20:22.479 --> 1:20:26.200 were a number of tribal groups. Okay, so this one. 1:20:26.280 --> 1:20:29.960 Her name was Bourrong, also known as Abaru and in 1:20:30.120 --> 1:20:33.760 various journals, and sadly most of the or the only 1:20:33.840 --> 1:20:38.160 information we really have about these people, the first Aura 1:20:38.240 --> 1:20:40.880 who were met by the on the people of the 1:20:40.880 --> 1:20:43.800 First Fleet, is that we only know them through the 1:20:43.840 --> 1:20:46.800 journals of the British people who were writing things, so 1:20:47.200 --> 1:20:50.600 you know, you've got to search your way through. But 1:20:50.680 --> 1:20:53.040 we do know a bit about her, which is interesting. 1:20:53.120 --> 1:20:59.120 She was the daughter of Macgren who was barum Margatal, 1:20:59.600 --> 1:21:03.720 which is basically looks just let's say Paramatta, right, all 1:21:03.760 --> 1:21:07.559 these Barromatta, Galea, and they're just different ways of saying 1:21:08.160 --> 1:21:11.320 what we now call Paramatta. And he was an elder. 1:21:11.680 --> 1:21:14.240 Her mother's name. We even know her mother's name, which 1:21:14.240 --> 1:21:17.639 is very strange for the time. It was Gurubera, which means. 1:21:17.479 --> 1:21:18.360 The fire stick. 1:21:18.680 --> 1:21:20.280 I don't know if she was a fiery sort of 1:21:20.320 --> 1:21:25.280 a woman. Anyway, she was from the Paramatta area and 1:21:25.840 --> 1:21:29.360 she was about twelve when the First Fleet arrived we 1:21:29.439 --> 1:21:35.479 think now eighteen months into the British colonization invasion, whatever 1:21:35.520 --> 1:21:40.639 you want to call that, small pox spread virulently through 1:21:40.920 --> 1:21:44.080 and wiped out possibly something like seventy percent of the 1:21:44.280 --> 1:21:50.640 Aura and her family were wiped out and so were 1:21:50.720 --> 1:21:53.000 the family of another boy to whom she was related, 1:21:53.080 --> 1:21:55.719 and they were brought into John White. Now, John White 1:21:55.800 --> 1:21:58.880 is an really interesting bloke. He was a surgeon on 1:21:58.920 --> 1:22:01.080 the First Fleet and the Surge in Sydney until he 1:22:01.120 --> 1:22:04.680 went home, and he was an amazing person. He was 1:22:04.760 --> 1:22:07.360 one of the few who tried to understand the Aora 1:22:07.520 --> 1:22:11.559 and you know he well, he adopted the boy Nanbury, 1:22:11.720 --> 1:22:14.240 gave him an English name and raised him as his own. 1:22:15.240 --> 1:22:19.559 And the girl, the one we're talking about, Bourrong, he 1:22:19.640 --> 1:22:25.000 saved her life and she then went to live with 1:22:25.080 --> 1:22:29.000 the Reverend Johnson, who was the minister on the first Fleet. 1:22:29.160 --> 1:22:33.040 Right now, he and his wife were very interesting people. Now, 1:22:33.080 --> 1:22:35.000 for a start, those of you who know that the 1:22:35.040 --> 1:22:39.200 politics of the Anglican Church, there's the high Church who 1:22:39.280 --> 1:22:41.880 were sort of, you know, we're here for the people 1:22:41.920 --> 1:22:44.519 who believe like us, and they're the people we cater to. 1:22:45.160 --> 1:22:47.840 And then there were the Evangelicals who caused a bit 1:22:47.880 --> 1:22:50.559 of a fuss at times because they believed that you 1:22:50.640 --> 1:22:52.880 had to teach that if you if everyone in the 1:22:52.960 --> 1:22:56.240 world learned the Bible, then the world would be a 1:22:56.280 --> 1:22:59.559 better place and everyone would become a Christian. And there 1:22:59.600 --> 1:23:04.680 were a He was an evangelical Reverend Johnson, and so 1:23:05.080 --> 1:23:08.760 he took Bourroon into his house and she lived there 1:23:08.800 --> 1:23:14.720 for almost two years with the Johnson family. And interestingly, 1:23:14.760 --> 1:23:17.400 they had a daughter, and they had given her an 1:23:17.400 --> 1:23:22.440 a name. They actually had one of their own daughters. 1:23:23.439 --> 1:23:26.000 And I'm looking for the name now. I can't quite 1:23:26.040 --> 1:23:31.720 find it, but I'll find it in a minute. And so, unfortunately, 1:23:32.240 --> 1:23:34.679 the Reverend Johnson thought that the best thing he could 1:23:34.720 --> 1:23:39.559 do for this girl was to teach her the Lord's Prayer. 1:23:40.000 --> 1:23:42.280 So she learned the Lord's Prayer. 1:23:42.320 --> 1:23:42.679 Wrote. 1:23:43.200 --> 1:23:45.400 But look, he did teach her to read and write, 1:23:45.880 --> 1:23:50.679 and she could speak English quite well, and she could 1:23:50.760 --> 1:23:54.000 do some writing as well, although she was only there, 1:23:54.120 --> 1:23:55.800 you know, with them for a couple of years. Then 1:23:55.840 --> 1:23:58.080 she went back to her own people. But we'll get 1:23:58.080 --> 1:24:04.280 to that. So she was encouraged to wear clothes and speak. 1:24:04.360 --> 1:24:06.639 And as I said, he taught her the Lord's Prayer. 1:24:06.680 --> 1:24:09.639 And there's a lovely quote which I've got in here, 1:24:09.800 --> 1:24:12.600 where he thinks that teaching her the Lord's Prayer will 1:24:12.680 --> 1:24:14.920 save her. You know, I wish to see these poor 1:24:15.000 --> 1:24:18.439 heathen brought to the knowledge of Christianity, he said, which 1:24:18.520 --> 1:24:21.679 might have been a good aim, but there were other 1:24:21.720 --> 1:24:24.880 things that they really needed to learn about each other 1:24:25.479 --> 1:24:31.240 other than reciting the Lord's Prayer parrot fashion. Anyway, now 1:24:31.439 --> 1:24:33.320 what had happened, we've got to do a little bit 1:24:33.320 --> 1:24:37.720 of politics here. The first thing, Philip, Governor Philip was 1:24:38.240 --> 1:24:42.400 an interesting bloke. He really wanted to carry out the 1:24:42.479 --> 1:24:47.240 King's orders, which was to befriend and help what they 1:24:47.280 --> 1:24:51.840 call the native people. Now, of course that didn't turn 1:24:51.880 --> 1:24:54.439 out too well, but he did make an effort, and 1:24:54.760 --> 1:24:59.160 he wasn't doing very well with trying to communicate, so 1:24:59.240 --> 1:25:03.640 he actually kidnapped one. They kidnapped a blow called Arabanu, 1:25:03.920 --> 1:25:07.200 and he came to live in Government House and eventually 1:25:07.280 --> 1:25:10.400 stayed of his own free will. But unfortunately he died 1:25:10.439 --> 1:25:13.639 in the smallpox epidemic, so he was gone and they 1:25:13.720 --> 1:25:17.439 needed so Philip said, well, look we'll get two more, 1:25:17.479 --> 1:25:20.839 and he did. He kidnapped to ben Along, who everybody 1:25:20.920 --> 1:25:23.679 a lot of people know about, and they were taken 1:25:23.720 --> 1:25:27.120 by force. But ben Along then stayed at Government House 1:25:27.120 --> 1:25:29.519 of his own free will for quite a long time. Colby, 1:25:30.400 --> 1:25:34.439 his cousin. He sort of got rid of his shackles 1:25:34.479 --> 1:25:37.240 quite early and ran away but ben Along stayed and 1:25:37.280 --> 1:25:39.880 then he did go back to his own people, and 1:25:39.960 --> 1:25:42.240 Philip was very upset about this. He said, you know, 1:25:42.600 --> 1:25:45.320 we need to understand one another. We need to talk, 1:25:45.439 --> 1:25:48.599 we need to find out what they're thinking and so on. 1:25:49.000 --> 1:25:53.639 And it was arab It was Boo Wrong Arabou, who 1:25:53.720 --> 1:25:58.280 was another name for the same person who did the mediation. 1:25:59.240 --> 1:26:04.559 So she was really important because she and Nanbry who 1:26:04.640 --> 1:26:06.960 was the boy who was adopted by the Surgeon General, 1:26:08.160 --> 1:26:13.040 they were the go betweens and Bourrong translated when the 1:26:13.080 --> 1:26:17.080 Reverend Johnson and Lieutenant Dawes went to find out who 1:26:17.160 --> 1:26:21.640 speared Philip and what you remember, they Governor Philip was 1:26:21.680 --> 1:26:25.600 speared at Manly Cove and it was a ritual retaliation 1:26:25.800 --> 1:26:29.479 for stealing ben Along and Colby, but they didn't know 1:26:29.520 --> 1:26:31.559 that at the time. So she was out there, she 1:26:31.680 --> 1:26:37.320 was translating, and when ben Along went back to his people, 1:26:38.720 --> 1:26:42.519 she went and tried to convince him to come back, 1:26:42.560 --> 1:26:45.519 and he did, and then Governor Philip built him his 1:26:45.560 --> 1:26:47.600 own house at ben Along. 1:26:47.439 --> 1:26:49.639 Point, nice to digs, not a. 1:26:49.560 --> 1:26:52.519 Bad bit of real estate, and it was titled you 1:26:52.600 --> 1:26:55.160 know that that was title. It was a little island 1:26:55.200 --> 1:26:56.639 and you could only cross at low tide. 1:26:56.640 --> 1:26:57.160 I didn't know that. 1:26:57.280 --> 1:27:00.360 Yeah, a lot of islands in Sydney Harbor have now 1:27:00.560 --> 1:27:04.679 been joined to the mainland. So he did come back. 1:27:04.800 --> 1:27:11.120 Now she was to become ben Along's third wife after Barangaroo. 1:27:12.160 --> 1:27:12.320 Right. 1:27:12.400 --> 1:27:16.960 Barangaroo was ben Along's second wife. And we should say 1:27:17.000 --> 1:27:19.960 that ben Along didn't call himself. It was one of 1:27:19.960 --> 1:27:27.439 his names. He called himself was his main name. Ben 1:27:27.439 --> 1:27:30.080 Along was actually another one of his names. It's complicated. 1:27:30.120 --> 1:27:34.840 They had lots of names. So Barangaroo was his second wife. 1:27:35.320 --> 1:27:39.599 And she did not want to, you know, do this 1:27:39.680 --> 1:27:44.840 sort of getting friendly with the British. So she didn't 1:27:44.880 --> 1:27:48.080 want him to go back, and she said, what will 1:27:48.080 --> 1:27:50.160 happen to him? You know, they might hurt him or something. 1:27:50.439 --> 1:27:54.760 So the Reverend Johnson, along with Bourong, who had been 1:27:54.800 --> 1:27:57.840 living in his house as as a child, as one 1:27:57.840 --> 1:28:02.160 of his own kids sort of thing, they stayed with 1:28:02.280 --> 1:28:06.920 Barangaroo as hostages while ben Along went back to talk 1:28:07.000 --> 1:28:09.759 to Philip. So, you know, that's the sort of stuff 1:28:09.840 --> 1:28:13.439 that she was doing. Fascinating, it is, it's amazing. And 1:28:14.439 --> 1:28:18.880 after the peace was made, the Reverend Johnson said that 1:28:18.880 --> 1:28:24.519 that whole you know, arrangement between the Aora or some 1:28:24.600 --> 1:28:28.519 of them, the ones who were Benelong's and Colby's mob 1:28:29.720 --> 1:28:34.519 was all brought about by Burrong. She mediated the whole thing. 1:28:35.280 --> 1:28:38.840 So she then decided she'd go back to her own people. 1:28:39.240 --> 1:28:42.080 She had learned to speak English, she'd learned to read 1:28:42.200 --> 1:28:46.559 and write a bit, and so away she went, but 1:28:46.600 --> 1:28:50.360 she kept visiting. They were up the Parramatta River, but 1:28:50.520 --> 1:28:53.799 they'd come back to town and she'd go and visit 1:28:55.080 --> 1:28:59.120 the Reverend Johnson and his wife Mary and their little girl. 1:29:00.880 --> 1:29:03.840 But she would do so quite naked, and they were 1:29:03.840 --> 1:29:07.000 a little embarrassed about that. So evidently there was a 1:29:07.080 --> 1:29:09.720 dress hanging at the door, and she would put the 1:29:09.800 --> 1:29:12.280 dress on, go and have a cup of tea, and 1:29:13.040 --> 1:29:15.000 they'd leave it at the door and go off in 1:29:15.040 --> 1:29:18.280 the nutty back to the canoe. So it's a great 1:29:18.320 --> 1:29:25.880 story now around. Well, it was seventeen ninety seven. She's 1:29:25.920 --> 1:29:31.639 about twenty one years old. Now Barangaroo has passed away. 1:29:32.040 --> 1:29:36.400 She marries ben Along, so she becomes his third wife 1:29:36.520 --> 1:29:39.320 and they have a child. They have a child called 1:29:40.400 --> 1:29:45.960 known as Dicky ben Along, and they both lived with 1:29:46.120 --> 1:29:48.920 about there were about one hundred a group of about 1:29:48.920 --> 1:29:53.160 one hundred Aura living on James Squire's property at Kissing Point, 1:29:53.800 --> 1:29:57.280 and James Squire was incredibly good to. 1:29:57.200 --> 1:29:59.760 Them and friendly to them and letting them have, you know. 1:29:59.800 --> 1:30:01.080 The use of their own land. 1:30:01.120 --> 1:30:01.400 Again. 1:30:02.920 --> 1:30:05.799 Now, James Squire's very interesting. I think we've have spoken 1:30:05.800 --> 1:30:08.200 about James Squire and Sydney Siders. He was a gypsy, 1:30:08.560 --> 1:30:12.800 which was interesting because he was really sympatico with the 1:30:12.840 --> 1:30:18.360 Aura and that's where they lived Bourong and ban Along 1:30:18.439 --> 1:30:22.600 who were married and they died there around eighteen fourteen. 1:30:23.680 --> 1:30:24.400 We know that. 1:30:24.280 --> 1:30:26.519 Because it was too many details we know. No, we 1:30:26.560 --> 1:30:29.960 don't know much because they're mentioned in all the journals 1:30:30.040 --> 1:30:32.160 of the first Fleet. But you know, we've got a 1:30:32.200 --> 1:30:35.040 piece it all together because there was no written history 1:30:35.080 --> 1:30:38.240 of course of the Aurora. But so she would have 1:30:38.240 --> 1:30:44.160 been about twenty eight when she passed away, which was 1:30:44.200 --> 1:30:50.479 about the lifespan of the time for the Aura, and 1:30:51.960 --> 1:30:55.559 they're buried there. Now. Nanbury had a wonderful double life. 1:30:55.560 --> 1:30:59.160 He was in the navy, but he also went through 1:30:59.200 --> 1:31:05.600 initiation and when it and performed or participated in ritual spearings. 1:31:06.120 --> 1:31:09.400 So he was really living between two cultures, as was 1:31:09.479 --> 1:31:13.479 Bural and he died after he was speared in a 1:31:13.560 --> 1:31:17.479 ritual spearing, and he asked to be buried with ben 1:31:17.479 --> 1:31:22.679 Along and Bural in the same grave or the same place, 1:31:23.080 --> 1:31:27.320 so they're all buried together. And believe it or not, 1:31:28.080 --> 1:31:31.040 we found out where the grave was and we only 1:31:31.080 --> 1:31:34.280 did this in twenty eighteen. There was a Hunter's Hill, 1:31:34.640 --> 1:31:37.280 I know the Hunters Hill Rotary were involved in Michael 1:31:37.280 --> 1:31:43.960 Parsons and they discovered they found the place and unfortunately 1:31:44.000 --> 1:31:46.800 there was a house over it because can I give 1:31:46.840 --> 1:31:49.840 the address on there? Of course it was they found 1:31:49.920 --> 1:31:55.240 that twenty five Watson Street, Putney, and so the New 1:31:55.320 --> 1:31:58.519 Southwest government bought the house and I assume they're knocking 1:31:58.560 --> 1:32:01.719 it down and it's going to be a premonial place 1:32:02.160 --> 1:32:09.520 for bent Along and Nanbury and this amazing woman Bourong. 1:32:09.200 --> 1:32:11.200 Important in our history, in our story. 1:32:11.320 --> 1:32:13.439 And there is a drawing of her. It's not a 1:32:13.800 --> 1:32:17.439 particularly flattering one. It's a very primitive drawing and she's 1:32:17.720 --> 1:32:23.720 in ceremonial paint there because that was her brother's funeral 1:32:23.960 --> 1:32:27.200 when somebody drew up. So we actually have a portrait 1:32:27.240 --> 1:32:29.559 of her. As I said that, it's not a pattern, 1:32:29.800 --> 1:32:33.000 maybe a good like almost complete picture. We have something, 1:32:33.160 --> 1:32:36.679 and we have all this information about this amazing woman. 1:32:36.960 --> 1:32:41.439 And there was there were attempts to bring the you know, 1:32:41.479 --> 1:32:44.320 the British and the Aora together in spite of the 1:32:44.400 --> 1:32:48.320 horror of the small pox epidemic and the fact that well, 1:32:48.400 --> 1:32:52.479 let's be honest, it all didn't work. Really, there were 1:32:52.479 --> 1:32:54.559 people of goodwill trying to make it happen. 1:32:55.080 --> 1:32:57.200 It's a great story story of Bong. Thank you, Jim. 1:32:57.280 --> 1:32:59.880 A pleasure, wonderful part of Sydney's history. It is twenty 1:33:00.000 --> 1:33:01.160 if I passed two more after this. 1:33:02.400 --> 1:33:05.479 It's that time of the afternoon. Time to find out 1:33:05.640 --> 1:33:09.000 what's coming up on Sydney. Now for the Serrato successor, 1:33:09.160 --> 1:33:12.639 the turbo charged Kia K four kias on new small 1:33:12.720 --> 1:33:16.479 sedan GT line veryant available Now find out more about 1:33:16.560 --> 1:33:18.040 Kia's latest small car. 1:33:18.479 --> 1:33:20.120 All right over to Clinton we go. He'll be with 1:33:20.160 --> 1:33:22.559 you after three o'clock. He's back from the airport. He's 1:33:22.600 --> 1:33:24.519 back in town for us. Now, Hello Clinton. 1:33:24.600 --> 1:33:26.280 Always to be a pleasure on the Mick Mac Show. 1:33:27.080 --> 1:33:28.200 How much money have you given away? 1:33:28.240 --> 1:33:28.400 Now? 1:33:28.439 --> 1:33:30.679 Well, I'm not giving it. Ben's giving it away. Bends 1:33:30.720 --> 1:33:33.639 down thousands, pay rise time. 1:33:33.680 --> 1:33:34.960 I think it's good cross promotion. 1:33:35.120 --> 1:33:36.880 Yeah, I think so, hopefully drives the tea as well. 1:33:37.080 --> 1:33:40.080 Look, I love Laurie Daily. I think he's I think 1:33:40.080 --> 1:33:42.000 he's going to win this series three nil. 1:33:42.200 --> 1:33:44.800 There's a caveat car But did he. 1:33:44.880 --> 1:33:47.639 Realize when the Blues hold a state of origin camp 1:33:47.920 --> 1:33:52.559 in the Blue Mountains, it's cursed. So the news out 1:33:52.560 --> 1:33:55.000 today that Mitch moses he's got calf injury has gone. 1:33:55.280 --> 1:33:57.880 Maybe your man Jerome Leui could be called into the team. 1:33:57.880 --> 1:33:58.760 I think I should bring it in. 1:33:58.800 --> 1:34:01.519 All right, it's a buy. We'd probably been back burdened anyway. 1:34:02.400 --> 1:34:04.320 Now, Laurie, I know he's a student of history of 1:34:04.400 --> 1:34:07.240 rugby league history. Cast your mind back to when Wayne 1:34:07.240 --> 1:34:09.519 Pearce was the coach of the New South Wales Blues. 1:34:09.600 --> 1:34:12.280 Now this was around the turn of the century. Many 1:34:12.320 --> 1:34:15.800 of our listeners will remember this. The tradition was you 1:34:15.920 --> 1:34:18.439 take the Blues to around Coogie, so you can go 1:34:18.479 --> 1:34:21.000 to the Coojie Bay Hotel have a bonding session. Well, 1:34:21.080 --> 1:34:24.120 Junior Pierce, as you know, not a drinker, clean living, 1:34:24.160 --> 1:34:25.920 so he said, look, end of the bonding session, we're 1:34:25.920 --> 1:34:27.519 not going to the pub anymore. We're going to the 1:34:27.520 --> 1:34:30.160 Blue Mountains. So he's taken the whole team to the 1:34:30.160 --> 1:34:31.240 Blue Mountains. 1:34:30.840 --> 1:34:31.960 As Laurie has done. 1:34:32.360 --> 1:34:34.759 He did put them on horseback and they went riding. 1:34:35.400 --> 1:34:37.840 I think was Robbie Kerns prop forward fell off the 1:34:37.840 --> 1:34:40.599 horse that was ruled out because of the drama with. 1:34:40.479 --> 1:34:41.720 The horse, poor poor horse. 1:34:41.760 --> 1:34:44.439 I had Robbie Kerns, Yes, and the vow was their mate, 1:34:44.439 --> 1:34:46.360 we're not going back to Blue Mountains cursed. I think 1:34:46.360 --> 1:34:48.439 there might have been another starting to Cops Harbor. Yes, 1:34:48.720 --> 1:34:51.160 well Laurie should have learned the lesson from the early 1:34:51.200 --> 1:34:53.320 two thousands and Robbie Kerns. And now I don't believe 1:34:53.320 --> 1:34:55.520 Mitchell Moses was on a horse this afternoon. 1:34:57.520 --> 1:34:59.280 No, I don't know. Why couldn't they just gone to 1:34:59.320 --> 1:35:01.000 the Center of Excellent on paramatter row to. 1:35:01.000 --> 1:35:03.800 Concord the Tiger Center of Excess. Well, there's also a 1:35:03.840 --> 1:35:06.519 new South Wales State of Origin Center of Excellence. That's 1:35:06.520 --> 1:35:09.400 his name for a gym I believe at Sidney Olympic 1:35:09.479 --> 1:35:12.759 Park they have an underground tunnel to go to the stadium. 1:35:13.000 --> 1:35:14.880 So what they do is that they warm up at 1:35:15.800 --> 1:35:18.479 their center of gym, go under the tunnel to the 1:35:18.520 --> 1:35:21.000 stadium for their origin games. But no, we had to 1:35:21.000 --> 1:35:22.800 go back to the Blue Mountains. Now I've lost Mitchell 1:35:22.800 --> 1:35:24.879 Moses right. 1:35:24.920 --> 1:35:28.759 Yeah, well that's the curse strikes again. Now, no curses 1:35:28.800 --> 1:35:30.640 after three o'clock for years. So what's coming up now? 1:35:30.680 --> 1:35:33.120 Look, we'll be bringing you an exclusive story about the 1:35:33.240 --> 1:35:36.680 transition to electric buses in Sydney. There is a long 1:35:36.760 --> 1:35:40.880 term plan to convert the entire fleet to electric. Successive 1:35:40.880 --> 1:35:42.320 state governments have backed this plan. 1:35:43.000 --> 1:35:43.879 It's not working. 1:35:44.200 --> 1:35:47.280 I'll bring you the details after three o'clock and we'll 1:35:47.280 --> 1:35:51.200 look back at the influence of Brian Wilson. I'm going 1:35:51.240 --> 1:35:54.280 to talk to an expert in the area from the 1:35:54.560 --> 1:35:59.160 Conservatory of Music. I regard Brian Wilson as one of 1:35:59.439 --> 1:36:03.000 the twentieth century's greatest musicians. Without it a growing up 1:36:03.040 --> 1:36:06.760 in a house with a Sixties obsessed father, you grew 1:36:06.800 --> 1:36:08.759 up on the Beatles, you grew up on the Beach Boys, 1:36:09.400 --> 1:36:11.559 and listening back to some of that music today that 1:36:12.000 --> 1:36:15.519 I've done, like so many of us have, it just 1:36:15.560 --> 1:36:18.320 feels like the end of an era with Brian Wilson 1:36:18.360 --> 1:36:21.479 gone a long time since, since John Lennon's life was 1:36:21.520 --> 1:36:23.160 taken away from us. So I'm going to look at 1:36:23.160 --> 1:36:24.639 the impact of Brian Wilson on the brain. 1:36:24.720 --> 1:36:26.680 That's a great idea. All right, thank you Clinton, look 1:36:26.680 --> 1:36:28.760 forward to listening to this. Ontington Maynard with Sydney now 1:36:28.800 --> 1:36:35.840 straight after three. All right, let's get all the latest ars. 1:36:35.880 --> 1:36:37.880 Katie Fuller standing by Hei Katie Hi. 1:36:37.960 --> 1:36:40.520 Michael, a home belonging to the head of the Alamdine 1:36:40.560 --> 1:36:43.559 crime group has been hit with bullets in Sydney's West 1:36:44.000 --> 1:36:47.040 just moments after he left the house. Three men have 1:36:47.080 --> 1:36:51.519 been arrested. Australia's corruption watchdog has found no evidence of 1:36:51.560 --> 1:36:54.719 wrongdoing in the government's handling of Britney higgins two point 1:36:54.760 --> 1:36:58.760 four million dollar compensation payout. Blue infections have risen by 1:36:58.920 --> 1:37:01.719 ten percent in just one week in New South Wales, 1:37:01.880 --> 1:37:04.840 with calls for people to get vaccinated, and the Royal 1:37:04.880 --> 1:37:09.000 Australian Mint is launching a set of collectible coints featuring 1:37:09.080 --> 1:37:13.200 twelve designs from the Women's Weekly Birthday cakebook. In Sport, 1:37:13.280 --> 1:37:15.720 the Indiana Pacers have taken a two to one lead 1:37:15.800 --> 1:37:19.200 over the Oklahoma City Thunder in the NBA Finals. The 1:37:19.240 --> 1:37:21.920 Pacers have won Game three at home one hundred and 1:37:21.960 --> 1:37:24.840 sixteen to one hundred and seven, and Michael there'll be 1:37:24.840 --> 1:37:28.800 more news in about twenty eight minutes on afternoons. 1:37:28.960 --> 1:37:32.839 A finance update for Pretzel Wealth and finance for Trusted 1:37:32.920 --> 1:37:33.839 Financial Planning. 1:37:34.080 --> 1:37:36.040 Just Google, Blake went to Pretzel. 1:37:36.439 --> 1:37:38.879 Okay, let's catch up with Scott Phillips from Themotley full 1:37:38.960 --> 1:37:41.439 dot com DOTU and see what's happening on this Thursday 1:37:41.439 --> 1:37:44.960 across the markets. But before we look at those, Scott, not 1:37:45.040 --> 1:37:47.240 too much of a surprise, I guess, but from July one, 1:37:47.680 --> 1:37:49.400 so I was talking about a little earlier. Actually, we're 1:37:49.400 --> 1:37:52.880 expecting the cost of a number of everyday utilities to 1:37:53.080 --> 1:37:53.559 go up. 1:37:54.800 --> 1:37:57.520 Michael, Yes, another day. Another price increase in good afternoon 1:37:57.720 --> 1:38:01.080 energy bills, the major one in South Wales, the average 1:38:01.080 --> 1:38:03.320 bills going up between eight and a half and nine 1:38:03.400 --> 1:38:06.599 point one percent from July one. If you're a small 1:38:06.600 --> 1:38:09.439 business up to eight and a half percent higher. No 1:38:09.520 --> 1:38:12.479 good news. There also internet and phone plans votaphone, opice 1:38:12.520 --> 1:38:15.759 in Telstra have all announced increases from July one, Votaphones 1:38:15.880 --> 1:38:19.160 raising some plans by four dollars a month, Telstra's increase 1:38:19.200 --> 1:38:21.880 in THEIRS by up to five dollars a month. Off 1:38:21.920 --> 1:38:24.880 this apparently are as well. Streaming service if you're a 1:38:24.920 --> 1:38:27.519 KO subscriber watching the sport, which I am, I'm paying 1:38:27.520 --> 1:38:29.639 another five bucks a month from next month now thirty 1:38:29.640 --> 1:38:33.440 dollars a month for KO that's existing is extinct subscribers 1:38:33.439 --> 1:38:36.960 in particular. So yeah, across the board, unfortunately, not great news. 1:38:37.000 --> 1:38:38.479 July one tends to be a date when most of 1:38:38.479 --> 1:38:41.559 those things happen. Yes, they're not going to be pretty 1:38:41.560 --> 1:38:43.320 and we know, of course the insurance prices keep going 1:38:43.360 --> 1:38:45.280 up as well as at the till, so yeah, I 1:38:45.320 --> 1:38:47.280 can't give you much. Yeah right, well, looks you have 1:38:47.280 --> 1:38:49.760 been in terms of inflation. Insurance has been one of 1:38:49.800 --> 1:38:52.880 the major major drivers, particularly recently. As other things have 1:38:52.920 --> 1:38:55.800 come down, insurance continues to go up. So yes, a 1:38:55.840 --> 1:38:58.080 tough time. Unfortunately for bill players, not going to get 1:38:58.120 --> 1:39:00.040 any better help. The choangs already went up in of 1:39:00.080 --> 1:39:02.160 course that won't go up again, thankfully, that's one that 1:39:02.200 --> 1:39:05.479 won't go up. But general insurance likely to continue to increase. 1:39:05.800 --> 1:39:08.639 A can Star found the average cost of car insurance 1:39:08.640 --> 1:39:11.639 comprehensive increased one hundred and twenty two dollars a year 1:39:11.720 --> 1:39:12.759 over the past twelve months. 1:39:12.960 --> 1:39:15.000 Mind you, as I said earlier, you've got all of 1:39:15.040 --> 1:39:17.839 these people listening saying, well, we see the official CPI 1:39:17.920 --> 1:39:19.960 data says where we've got the rbas now got it 1:39:19.960 --> 1:39:21.840 within the two to three percent banned happy days? What 1:39:21.920 --> 1:39:24.559 people that lay on, how do they figure that? Because 1:39:24.600 --> 1:39:28.240 all of this is going up five, six, seven, eight, ten, fourteen, 1:39:28.600 --> 1:39:31.760 insurance case I was twenty percent, where's this two to 1:39:31.840 --> 1:39:33.120 three percent thing coming from? 1:39:33.520 --> 1:39:35.960 Yeah, it's not great, is it. I mean, well, frankly, 1:39:35.960 --> 1:39:37.840 one of the goodest petrols come down. That's been nice, 1:39:37.840 --> 1:39:38.920 and it's one of the major costs for a whole 1:39:38.960 --> 1:39:40.320 lot of people. But you're right, much after I mean, 1:39:40.360 --> 1:39:42.240 food's come out a little bit to the rate of increase, 1:39:42.240 --> 1:39:45.160 still going up. So some of the staples the only 1:39:45.200 --> 1:39:46.519 good thing I suppose to some of those are changed, 1:39:46.560 --> 1:39:48.320 but it doesn't get much more staple and insurance and 1:39:48.400 --> 1:39:50.000 energy and they're still going up. Unfortunately. 1:39:50.280 --> 1:39:52.960 Now that's it. Certainly the energy is not a discretion. 1:39:53.040 --> 1:39:56.320 We spend the markets of the dollar market dead flat, 1:39:56.360 --> 1:39:59.799 down zero point eight points to eight hundred and nineteen. 1:40:00.280 --> 1:40:02.360 That's about three decimal places worth of decline. We'll call 1:40:02.400 --> 1:40:04.400 that pretty much flat. I remember of the US dollars 1:40:04.439 --> 1:40:06.400 down against all the major countries, quite a bit actually 1:40:06.520 --> 1:40:08.320 one point one percent lower against the euro, one per 1:40:08.320 --> 1:40:10.679 cent lower against the pound, and the end a quarter 1:40:10.680 --> 1:40:12.760 of a percent low against the US dollar sixty four 1:40:12.800 --> 1:40:14.280 point nine six US sins. 1:40:14.320 --> 1:40:16.160 All right, well, thank you, Scott. We'll speak tomorrow for 1:40:16.200 --> 1:40:18.800 Friday Finance. Scott Phillips there, the chief investment officer from 1:40:18.840 --> 1:40:20.600 the Motley fool full dot com dot A. You now, 1:40:20.640 --> 1:40:24.679 don't forget get set toy because Twogb's Winter Wheel starts 1:40:24.680 --> 1:40:26.920 spinning from Monday. We're turning up the heat with a 1:40:27.320 --> 1:40:29.559 I think up to forty thousand dollars worth of cash 1:40:29.560 --> 1:40:31.680 and prizes to be won. That's right now. You can 1:40:31.720 --> 1:40:33.320 listen across the day. You should do it for your 1:40:33.360 --> 1:40:35.839 chance to spin the wheel and you could be warming 1:40:35.920 --> 1:40:38.960 up your winter with cold, hard cash and prizes. Now 1:40:38.960 --> 1:40:41.800 we're spinning the wheel in breakfast mornings here on afternoons 1:40:41.800 --> 1:40:44.800 and with Clinton on Sydney. Now Twogb's Winter Wheel, it 1:40:44.920 --> 1:40:47.760 starts spinning from Monday. Something to look forward to there, 1:40:48.160 --> 1:40:51.559 don't miss out. Stay listening to Sydney's two GB. That's 1:40:51.560 --> 1:40:53.600 where you're at. It's twenty three to three, where it 1:40:53.680 --> 1:40:55.800 is nineteen minutes to three. Apologies for a bit of 1:40:55.800 --> 1:40:57.519 the the double up there during the AD break, but 1:40:57.640 --> 1:41:00.400 you know, the gremlins getting the system sometime. A lot 1:41:00.400 --> 1:41:02.479 of feedback coming through earlier in the day, still about 1:41:02.479 --> 1:41:04.920 this whole orchest thing. People a bit concerned about where 1:41:04.920 --> 1:41:08.080 we might be heading here. But on the broader issue 1:41:08.080 --> 1:41:11.680 of talking about defense and military and battles and all 1:41:11.720 --> 1:41:14.439 of that. Ray wrote earlier to say, I think future generations, 1:41:14.479 --> 1:41:16.840 say a thousand years from now, we'll look back on 1:41:16.880 --> 1:41:21.320 all of this warring and see it as so childish. Look. 1:41:21.320 --> 1:41:23.679 I hope you're right, but I suspect you're not, because 1:41:23.680 --> 1:41:27.519 when you think back over the previous thousand years, So 1:41:27.720 --> 1:41:31.240 go back to you know, where are we twenty twenty five? 1:41:31.320 --> 1:41:35.040 So go back to one thy twenty five AD. All 1:41:35.080 --> 1:41:37.479 of our ancestors were scrapping with each other, in fact, 1:41:37.479 --> 1:41:39.160 far more than we are today. And you go back 1:41:39.200 --> 1:41:43.439 another thousand years before that, about the time of Jesus Christ, 1:41:44.120 --> 1:41:46.400 they were fighting all over the place between the Romans 1:41:46.600 --> 1:41:49.360 and who knows who else, and the previous millennias before that, 1:41:49.400 --> 1:41:53.280 they were all fighting each other. It's sadly just human nature, 1:41:54.120 --> 1:41:57.519 where one can't agree with the other over resources or 1:41:57.560 --> 1:42:01.920 who knows what else. They turn to fisticuffs, and these 1:42:02.000 --> 1:42:04.439 days fisticuffs can come in the form of an atomic weapon. 1:42:04.520 --> 1:42:08.599 So look, I'd love to think that utopia will break 1:42:08.640 --> 1:42:10.920 out in the next millennia, but I suspect it won't. 1:42:10.920 --> 1:42:12.679 But anyway, Ray, you and I won't be here to 1:42:12.680 --> 1:42:15.760 toss the coin and see who won, Sarah says Mick Mack. 1:42:15.880 --> 1:42:18.120 Thanks there. I think the US thinks our defense if 1:42:18.120 --> 1:42:20.200 it's pathetic, and I think our PM will do anything 1:42:20.240 --> 1:42:23.040 to keep in favor with China and spurm Trump. Also, 1:42:23.080 --> 1:42:26.080 the Labor Party are anti nuclear. We're a backward country 1:42:26.120 --> 1:42:30.040 with uninspiring leaders. That's Sarah's take. This is from Michael, 1:42:30.080 --> 1:42:34.280 who says, tell Trump we are rescinding the Pine Gap 1:42:34.320 --> 1:42:37.160 agreement and then let's see how he reacts. Now, your 1:42:37.160 --> 1:42:40.160 first him as the taco. That's an acronym for Trump 1:42:40.240 --> 1:42:44.160 always chickens out. This is something that's coming through America 1:42:44.200 --> 1:42:46.960 now about near trade deals and all these things. Talks 1:42:46.960 --> 1:42:49.200 a big game but then backs out. Trump always chickens 1:42:49.200 --> 1:42:52.599 out a taco. Let's see. This is from Brent, who 1:42:52.640 --> 1:42:55.519 says the immediate solution to the Orcus subs problem should 1:42:55.520 --> 1:42:58.160 be this one the Prime Minister needs to commit to 1:42:58.240 --> 1:43:01.960 greater immediate Defense expenditure two, a stopgap measure of B 1:43:02.040 --> 1:43:05.760 twenty one bombers and long range firers purchased with costs 1:43:05.800 --> 1:43:08.519 sent to the US for Orcus subs already Part three 1:43:08.640 --> 1:43:11.559 or three. Start working on a nuclear submarine pact with 1:43:11.600 --> 1:43:15.519 the UK and Japan. That's from Brent. Thank you everybody 1:43:15.560 --> 1:43:17.439 for you feedback and all of that still coming through. 1:43:17.920 --> 1:43:21.680 Read the story of Booong that Jim was outlining. Fascinating 1:43:21.840 --> 1:43:25.479 all that sort of part of early colonial history. Chris says, 1:43:25.520 --> 1:43:29.439 I grew up at sixteen Watson Street, Putney. Now that 1:43:29.479 --> 1:43:31.240 street was mentioned, I think it was number twenty four 1:43:31.280 --> 1:43:35.000 to twenty five by Jim. But as Chris says, we 1:43:35.120 --> 1:43:37.880 used to play on these grounds growing up where Ben 1:43:37.920 --> 1:43:41.200 Along is now buried. My mate's mum sold the house 1:43:41.240 --> 1:43:43.439 to the New South Wales government. Not sure what they're 1:43:43.439 --> 1:43:46.000 doing with it now, but the house is still there, 1:43:46.560 --> 1:43:49.160 so I've spent a lot of time next to ben Along. 1:43:49.200 --> 1:43:51.800 Funnily enough, he says, when all the pools in our 1:43:51.880 --> 1:43:55.760 street were being dug up, the council would inspect just 1:43:55.840 --> 1:43:58.839 in case they actually dug up Ben Along true story, 1:43:59.120 --> 1:44:01.920 says Chris. It's a fascinating inside Chris, thank you for 1:44:01.960 --> 1:44:05.639 that appreciated one three, one eight seven three the open 1:44:05.760 --> 1:44:09.720 line number. Now do you have any famous relatives? You know, 1:44:09.960 --> 1:44:12.320 I asked, because everyone's now getting involved in all this 1:44:12.400 --> 1:44:15.320 ancestry dot com thing, and everyone's doing saliva swabs and 1:44:15.400 --> 1:44:19.040 DNA samples and working out you're related to some king 1:44:19.120 --> 1:44:22.080 or queen from Spain or something. But there's an interesting 1:44:22.120 --> 1:44:23.840 piece out of the UK Telegraph to do with the 1:44:23.920 --> 1:44:27.960 Vinci clan of Tuscany. Now, of course the Vinci names famous, 1:44:28.040 --> 1:44:30.759 Leonardo da Vinci being at the apex of the fame. 1:44:31.960 --> 1:44:34.160 But as it says here, the Vinci's of northern Italy 1:44:34.960 --> 1:44:38.120 lived for years without knowledge of their rich family heritage, 1:44:38.160 --> 1:44:41.400 that is until now. A team of Italian scholars and 1:44:41.439 --> 1:44:45.080 scientists believe they've traced back the family of Leonardo da 1:44:45.120 --> 1:44:48.280 Vinci all the way back to thirteen thirty one, that's 1:44:48.360 --> 1:44:51.559 just before the Bubonic plague arrived in Italy, and using 1:44:51.680 --> 1:44:56.040 bone fragments from Leonardo's family burial tomb that's at the 1:44:56.160 --> 1:44:58.200 church of the Santa Crocea in the town of Vinci, 1:44:58.880 --> 1:45:03.880 they've now formerly identified at least five heirs of the 1:45:03.960 --> 1:45:08.360 great inventor. Now, the five men still living in Tuscany 1:45:08.400 --> 1:45:11.200 and in fact not far from Leonardo's hometown, all have 1:45:11.400 --> 1:45:16.639 DNA that matches segments of the Y chromosome from the 1:45:16.680 --> 1:45:21.559 bone fragment. And though they may never become as famous 1:45:21.600 --> 1:45:25.400 as their forefather, they appear to share some of the 1:45:25.439 --> 1:45:29.120 inventors quirks and passions. And so there's photos of all 1:45:29.160 --> 1:45:31.000 of them here and who they are and what It's 1:45:31.040 --> 1:45:33.760 all very interesting. But that would be that would be 1:45:33.800 --> 1:45:36.479 something quite special. I think if you know, you did 1:45:36.520 --> 1:45:39.760 the whole DNA thing and it turned out that one 1:45:39.800 --> 1:45:42.080 of the relatives was none other than Leonardo da Vinci, 1:45:42.120 --> 1:45:44.040 you'd be thinking, well, I should have gone a selective 1:45:44.040 --> 1:45:46.800 school or something. But do you have any do you 1:45:46.840 --> 1:45:49.519 have any famous relatives? When you shake the family tree, 1:45:49.520 --> 1:45:52.439 any of them fall out? Who was it? And when 1:45:52.439 --> 1:45:54.400 did you find out? How did you find out? One? Three, 1:45:54.479 --> 1:46:03.960 one eight seven three the open line number. Okay, what 1:46:04.720 --> 1:46:07.040 I was saying earlier regarding the NDEs back to that 1:46:07.680 --> 1:46:11.320 the NDIA have done their annual review into the scheme, 1:46:11.400 --> 1:46:15.120 the cost of the scheme, and it's unsustainable. It's got 1:46:15.120 --> 1:46:17.040 to be rained in and so you've got to look 1:46:17.080 --> 1:46:19.439 at the number of people accessing the NDIS as well 1:46:19.479 --> 1:46:22.960 as the services provided and the costs that are associated 1:46:23.000 --> 1:46:26.559 with those services. Now, the takeaway message from many who 1:46:26.800 --> 1:46:29.760 are grateful to be on the scheme or who have 1:46:29.880 --> 1:46:33.559 relatives that are benefiting benefiting from the scheme. One of 1:46:33.560 --> 1:46:36.920 the takeaway messages that keeps coming out, however, is that 1:46:37.439 --> 1:46:41.559 it is being abused by some of the providers. They 1:46:41.560 --> 1:46:45.560 are simply charging a premium because those four letters NDS 1:46:45.680 --> 1:46:47.639 are being applied and that's where the money's coming from 1:46:47.640 --> 1:46:50.000 from the service. And to prove it, they say, well, look, 1:46:50.040 --> 1:46:52.720 I could have got this shower handrail, or I could 1:46:52.760 --> 1:46:54.559 have got this non slip mat, or I could have 1:46:54.560 --> 1:46:56.680 got this particular wheelchair, or I could have got this 1:46:56.760 --> 1:47:01.360 particular massage whatever it is for X dollars if i'd 1:47:01.360 --> 1:47:05.120 just gone to the provided director's Joe, average citizen. But 1:47:05.240 --> 1:47:07.800 the moment I went via the NDIS because I have 1:47:07.920 --> 1:47:11.519 to do that to access the capital. The price was this, 1:47:11.920 --> 1:47:13.679 you know, X to the power of ten or something 1:47:13.760 --> 1:47:16.719 right forward. And they said, well, this is ridiculous because 1:47:16.960 --> 1:47:19.679 we're benefiting, but others are not able to benefit because 1:47:19.680 --> 1:47:21.840 there's no money left in the kiddy, and we've got 1:47:21.840 --> 1:47:23.920 to rain this in. So the NDA are onto it, 1:47:23.960 --> 1:47:25.240 and they've said, okay, we're going to have to do 1:47:25.280 --> 1:47:26.840 something about this. So it looks like as though they 1:47:26.880 --> 1:47:31.840 have slashed the maximum fees that service providers can charge 1:47:31.960 --> 1:47:37.840 NDS participants. Okay, well, good, good. Anyway, you might have 1:47:37.920 --> 1:47:41.120 a story that you wish to share, an example of 1:47:41.280 --> 1:47:44.920 one of these products just outrageously inflated price because you 1:47:45.000 --> 1:47:47.320 came waiving the piece of paper that said NDS. As 1:47:47.320 --> 1:47:50.640 I said earlier when Jim was in the studio, the NDS, 1:47:50.680 --> 1:47:54.439 those four letters NDS, they're sort of akin to the 1:47:54.479 --> 1:47:58.040 word wedding, you know, in the hospitality trade, it's a license. 1:47:58.040 --> 1:48:01.479 It seems to inflate the price for a similar service 1:48:01.479 --> 1:48:04.200 that one could get outside of the scheme. Now that's 1:48:04.400 --> 1:48:09.519 not good enough, and taxpayers should demand significant oversight here. 1:48:09.880 --> 1:48:11.800 So I think the NDIA is on the right track. 1:48:12.120 --> 1:48:13.720 There'll be people saying, oh, no, this is wrong and 1:48:13.760 --> 1:48:15.599 we can't do this, but at the end of the day, 1:48:15.600 --> 1:48:18.639 the whole thing will collapse under its own weight unless 1:48:18.720 --> 1:48:22.840 efforts like this are instigated. One three, one eight seven 1:48:22.960 --> 1:48:24.520 three Sue good afternoon. 1:48:25.840 --> 1:48:29.240 Hi Michael, how are you good? How are you good? 1:48:29.280 --> 1:48:30.840 I love your show, Thank you sir. 1:48:31.120 --> 1:48:33.200 Watch it. Listen to it every single afternoon. 1:48:33.240 --> 1:48:34.800 Oh wonderful thing, wonderful than you. 1:48:35.439 --> 1:48:36.120 That's pleasure. 1:48:36.560 --> 1:48:42.200 My ancestor is Alan Cunningham explorer. He's one of the 1:48:42.240 --> 1:48:46.400 first bottanists in Australia. He came over from England. He 1:48:46.479 --> 1:48:48.800 also had a brother, Robert, who was a botanist and 1:48:48.840 --> 1:48:49.679 he got killed. 1:48:49.439 --> 1:48:50.400 By the Aboriginals. 1:48:50.960 --> 1:48:55.320 He has a singing in the botanic gardens like this 1:48:55.600 --> 1:48:58.680 big statue. Not a statue, like a memorial in the 1:48:58.760 --> 1:48:59.400 lake there. 1:49:00.479 --> 1:49:02.920 Oh okay, Oh, I know where the lake is. So 1:49:03.000 --> 1:49:04.880 he's got a memorial in there, does he? 1:49:05.560 --> 1:49:05.800 Yeah? 1:49:05.880 --> 1:49:09.960 In the lake itself here. How we found out was 1:49:10.000 --> 1:49:14.479 my father. They were doing the family tree and they 1:49:14.560 --> 1:49:19.280 found out it was Alan Cunningham, cunning Ham scap all 1:49:19.320 --> 1:49:22.439 that sort of thing. It's truly interesting because on the 1:49:22.439 --> 1:49:25.320 weekend my grandmother, my auntie, gave me a list of 1:49:25.479 --> 1:49:28.479 my father and grandmother were doing, and then there's all 1:49:28.560 --> 1:49:31.760 this stuff and there's a cunning hand. So I've yet 1:49:31.800 --> 1:49:35.000 to look into it. I've got about, oh about one 1:49:35.080 --> 1:49:38.120 hundred pages. I've got letters from about eighteen fifty to 1:49:38.160 --> 1:49:40.200 go through. It's incredible. 1:49:40.320 --> 1:49:42.400 Well, it's a wonderful thing. I think it's one of 1:49:42.400 --> 1:49:44.559 those things, isn't it. So when you start the deep dive, 1:49:44.680 --> 1:49:46.160 you've got to take a deep breath because you'll be 1:49:46.240 --> 1:49:49.320 under for a long time, just being absorbed by all 1:49:49.360 --> 1:49:52.479 of the different layers and the different generations and the stories, 1:49:52.520 --> 1:49:55.200 and you will uncover some very very interesting stuff. So 1:49:55.240 --> 1:49:57.639 good for you. There you go. So related to Alan Cunningham, 1:49:57.640 --> 1:50:01.240 one of the first botanists in New South Wales. I'm 1:50:01.240 --> 1:50:04.439 being told, Jacob, apparently it's related to James Ruce. Are 1:50:04.479 --> 1:50:07.200 you didn't they had a green thumb. Good on you, Jacob, 1:50:07.240 --> 1:50:10.439 Well done. There you go. See interesting. I was always 1:50:10.520 --> 1:50:13.799 told our family line went back to Charles the first 1:50:15.240 --> 1:50:16.760 but he was one that lost his head was and 1:50:16.880 --> 1:50:19.880 he so whether we boast or complain, I don't know 1:50:20.360 --> 1:50:22.799 that was the story. I haven't seen the full lineage 1:50:22.840 --> 1:50:24.360 to prove the tale, but it might be true. I 1:50:24.400 --> 1:50:36.800 don't know. It is eleven minutes to three now, one afternoons. 1:50:36.840 --> 1:50:39.479 Track of the day, al right, I want to give 1:50:39.479 --> 1:50:44.680 away a double pass to Riviera Revenge. The storyline is 1:50:44.720 --> 1:50:48.200 this on the sunny French Riviera A family revelation spirals 1:50:48.200 --> 1:50:51.120 into a mischievous journey, bringing with love, vengeance and surprises. 1:50:51.320 --> 1:50:53.439 No one ever said marriage or zazy and who could 1:50:53.560 --> 1:50:58.839 resist retribution by the seaside? Riviera Revenge a French smash 1:50:58.880 --> 1:51:01.960 hit romantic comedy. It's in Australian cinemas from June twenty 1:51:02.000 --> 1:51:04.320 sixth If you want to go double pass one three, 1:51:04.320 --> 1:51:08.760 one eight seven three, here's the question, And yeah, it's 1:51:08.760 --> 1:51:13.400 an interesting question. Actually. The Celsius scale was officially adopted 1:51:13.400 --> 1:51:17.400 by Australia on this day, But in what year? In 1:51:17.479 --> 1:51:22.599 what year did we officially adopt the Celsius scale in Australia? 1:51:22.560 --> 1:51:25.320 It was on this day, but in what year? If 1:51:25.360 --> 1:51:26.920 you know, you want to have a go one three, 1:51:26.920 --> 1:51:29.400 one eight seven three, here's a little bit of a 1:51:29.520 --> 1:52:11.120 Celsius related music. All right, let's see if we can 1:52:11.360 --> 1:52:14.360 find a winner. Celsius The scale was officially adopted in 1:52:14.360 --> 1:52:16.639 Australia on this day in what year? 1:52:16.840 --> 1:52:20.080 Paul, nineteen seventy three? 1:52:21.320 --> 1:52:25.000 Close but not quite right? Not quite right? Dare I 1:52:25.000 --> 1:52:29.120 say warm but not hot? Yvonne? What do you reckon? 1:52:29.520 --> 1:52:30.599 Nineteen seventy one? 1:52:31.160 --> 1:52:33.439 Even closer but not quite right, Thank you, Yvon, have 1:52:33.479 --> 1:52:33.920 a good one. 1:52:34.000 --> 1:52:36.719 John, gooday John, nineteen seventy four. 1:52:37.080 --> 1:52:38.679 Now are you going in the wrong direction? John, Thanks 1:52:38.720 --> 1:52:45.040 for trying. Janet Afternoon nineteen seventy correct, correct, correct nineteen 1:52:45.280 --> 1:52:48.479 seventy it was You're off to see Riviera Revenge. Hang 1:52:48.560 --> 1:52:50.960 on their Janet. We'll grab your details and we'll be 1:52:51.040 --> 1:52:54.200 back after the break. Well, that's it for us today. 1:52:54.400 --> 1:52:56.800 Thank you. We'll go and enjoy what's left of the 1:52:56.840 --> 1:52:59.000 afternoon and the blue sky and all the rest of it. 1:52:59.439 --> 1:53:03.320 Tomorrow Busy show. Ian Baker Finch, the Australian golfing legend, 1:53:03.320 --> 1:53:06.920 will join me. Biography out about Ian, looking forward to 1:53:06.960 --> 1:53:09.599 reading and speaking about his life the domain real estate segment. 1:53:09.640 --> 1:53:11.719 Of course, Friday Food. Got a bit of a treat 1:53:11.720 --> 1:53:14.000 on Friday Food, and a whole lot more so stay 1:53:14.080 --> 1:53:16.559 with us after the news. The One and Only Clinton, 1:53:16.600 --> 1:53:18.120 Maynard and Sydney now bid