Speaker 1: Let's change the subjects some what get to our good
Speaker 1: friend trave along technology expert mate, nice to talk to you.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about these Meta glasses, these smart glasses do
Speaker 1: they so you wear the glasses on your face and
Speaker 1: then you can it's got a video and it's got
Speaker 1: a camera in it. Am I right there?
Speaker 2: So far spot on here. So this is not the
Speaker 2: first time Meta or Facebook have done this. They've had
Speaker 2: a couple of generations, but these are the first time
Speaker 2: they've partnered with Oakley. So they've currently got some ray
Speaker 2: bands in the market. These are now partnered with Oakley
Speaker 2: and Opley is just another brand of the parent company
Speaker 2: that owns both ray Band and Oakley. But you know
Speaker 2: smart classes in that they yet they have a camera
Speaker 2: on them, so you can take a photo, record video
Speaker 2: kind of point of view style rather than having a
Speaker 2: strap of go pro to your chest to your head.
Speaker 2: You can record content as you're biking, cycling, skiing, whatever
Speaker 2: it is you might be doing. But more importantly, they've
Speaker 2: got speakers in them, so you can listen to the
Speaker 2: radio or podcast while you're walking or writing or whatever
Speaker 2: you're doing. And they've got link to your phone so
Speaker 2: you can use them for AI. So you could ask
Speaker 2: your glasses to take a photo and tell me where
Speaker 2: I am. You can ask your glasses to identify a
Speaker 2: landmark in front of you and tell you more about it.
Speaker 2: It's quite remarkable what they can do.
Speaker 1: I think it sounds fantastic, but to a point, and
Speaker 1: that is privacy for the person who's being filmed, who
Speaker 1: might not realize they're being filmed.
Speaker 2: Look, when you're in a in close quarters, it's very
Speaker 2: obvious of being film because there's a white flashing light
Speaker 2: on them when you're being filmed, when you're standing in
Speaker 2: like I was wearing these when we were on holidays
Speaker 2: in America earlier in the year and standing in the
Speaker 2: Washington Neither Washington Monument, you know, taking photos or asking
Speaker 2: questions about different landmarks. No, no one around me knew
Speaker 2: that I was videoing or taking photos. But likewise, you're
Speaker 2: in a huge public space. There's no way anyone can
Speaker 2: tell whether you are holding your mobile phone scrolling through
Speaker 2: Instagram or whether you're taking videos and photos. So we've
Speaker 2: got to remember, Yeah, these are a step towards a
Speaker 2: concerning area of but we already have huge issues with
Speaker 2: regards to the number of people that are carrying cameras
Speaker 2: around with them in their pocket.
Speaker 1: Well, but that's absolutely true. But I thought I would
Speaker 1: cover that point because I know somebody who said they
Speaker 1: were aware that somebody was wearing them at work and
Speaker 1: not this workplace, and they said they were a bit
Speaker 1: concerned that they will.
Speaker 2: Be these things with prescription lenses in them, so they
Speaker 2: could be your absolute twenty four to seven daily drivers. Know,
Speaker 2: these are my regular sunglasses of ray Band Metas. I
Speaker 2: wear them all the time. They are rarely on because
Speaker 2: if you leave them on, the battery dies after a
Speaker 2: day and a half. If you actually use them talking
Speaker 2: to them, listening to their music, taking videos, they die
Speaker 2: after three or four hours. So yeah, I get it.
Speaker 2: But I've stood in front of people like one of
Speaker 2: my kids and stuff and taking videos and photos at Disneyland.
Speaker 2: They certainly knew they would tell me that they could
Speaker 2: tell that I was taking a video because they could
Speaker 2: see the white light and things like that. So it's
Speaker 2: more about I think educating people as to what to
Speaker 2: look for with these kind of things, to understand whether
Speaker 2: you're being filmed or photographed.
Speaker 1: And so what would you look for.
Speaker 2: It's the white light, white light. Okay, corner, so that
Speaker 2: you've got your glasses, you know, the lenses, and then
Speaker 2: just above and to the left and right of those
Speaker 2: lenses of these quite clear circles which are the lenses,
Speaker 2: and it's within that lens where the white light flashes.
Speaker 2: So do you see a little white white light flashing
Speaker 2: on someone's glasses, they're taking a video of your folks.
Speaker 1: However, getting to the technology side of it, it's a
Speaker 1: great idea if you're doing anything where you want to
Speaker 1: make some kind of video for your Instagram, for your Facebook, whatever,
Speaker 1: as you say, and you don't have to hold a
Speaker 1: phone if you're doing skiing, if you're doing cycling, if
Speaker 1: you're doing jogging. So the upside of that is it's
Speaker 1: good technology.
Speaker 2: I went two and a half weeks on holidays without
Speaker 2: posting from my phone to social media once, and I'm
Speaker 2: pretty prolific on Instagram. So this I use these and
Speaker 2: these only so when whever we would go somewhere significant
Speaker 2: a baseball game or digital end or wherever it was,
Speaker 2: I would just say, hey, meta, take a photo and
Speaker 2: share it on Instagram, and it would go do you
Speaker 2: want to share on Instagram? Yes? And boom it would
Speaker 2: be on Instagram. I didn't touch my phone. So cool.
Speaker 2: Such a great way to share what you're doing. You
Speaker 2: know the concept of social media, the sharing of where
Speaker 2: you are, what you're doing. Very very well done. Why
Speaker 2: are these okay?
Speaker 1: I like that? However, here's another thing, just while we're
Speaker 1: on the subject of warning the social media band with
Speaker 1: the government group saying that technology can work out a
Speaker 1: child's age, but there's a catch. What's the catch?
Speaker 2: The catch is that I was looking through the what
Speaker 2: they call age assurance trials which the government commissioned, and
Speaker 2: a lot of companies say, yep, we can verify the
Speaker 2: age of someone without using an ID, but none of
Speaker 2: them can say they can do it within an inth degree,
Speaker 2: which means there's a limit, and that limit is often
Speaker 2: a variability of around a year. So if you're a
Speaker 2: fifteen year old, you might be taken for a sixteen
Speaker 2: year old or a fourteen year old, or more importantly,
Speaker 2: in my book, if you get to ban sixteen and
Speaker 2: from social media, how do you tell the difference between
Speaker 2: a child who is fifteen years and ten months old
Speaker 2: and a kid it is sixteen years today? Impossible, It's
Speaker 2: not possible. Anyone that's got kids knows when you go
Speaker 2: to kids' sport, you watch them play, and you look
Speaker 2: at their teammates and you go, I don't know how
Speaker 2: old these kids are. Some of them are old, some
Speaker 2: of them younger, and it turns out they're all the
Speaker 2: same age. You can't tell very hard with human eyes
Speaker 2: to know. How do we expect computers to work it out?
Speaker 2: So we have a real problem coming up with the
Speaker 2: rules as to how we're actually going to determine this
Speaker 2: sixteen year old agent without asking for ID from either
Speaker 2: the parents or the children, because that is a required
Speaker 2: part of the legislation. That ID government idea is not mandatory.
Speaker 2: And secondly, and this is only breaking news this morning,
Speaker 2: the e Safety Commissioner has come out and said that
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of things that she has recommended the
Speaker 2: Minister change about the proposed rules, including not excluding YouTube
Speaker 2: from the rules. So it looks like YouTube will be
Speaker 2: part of the band and a lot of changes can't
Speaker 2: before they're implemented.
Speaker 1: Okay, another thing I wanted to talk to you about.
Speaker 1: I know it was not on the list of things
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about this morning, but I saw
Speaker 1: this the other day that there's new AI which will
Speaker 1: enable you to if you want to zoom in on
Speaker 1: somebody's holiday photos, for example, and there's somewhere in the world,
Speaker 1: it can actually identify exactly where they are by having
Speaker 1: a look at just the beach or having a look at,
Speaker 1: you know, the building that they're standing out in the
Speaker 1: front of. Had you heard.
Speaker 2: About that doesn't surprise me at all. There's a couple
Speaker 2: of great TikTok accounts where one of them is called
Speaker 2: Jose Monkey, and it's brilliant content where people will send
Speaker 2: a video to this guy, just a very short video.
Speaker 2: They might stand in a park somewhere and they'll just
Speaker 2: kind of quickly scan around and say, Jose, maky find me.
Speaker 2: And this guy is able to in a couple of
Speaker 2: hours find them because he can see the landmarks and
Speaker 2: look at things and work stuff out. So that's a
Speaker 2: human being and making that assessment now taking into account
Speaker 2: that Apple and Google and all these mapping companies have
Speaker 2: mapped the world to the nth degree, so buildings on streets,
Speaker 2: you know, satellite imagery of beaches and things. All you
Speaker 2: need is a small amount of either landscape or buildings
Speaker 2: for you know that AI just basically search the database
Speaker 2: of the world and go, well, that's Bondli Pavilion, or
Speaker 2: that's the story bridge in Brisbane. You know, it's actually
Speaker 2: not hard when you think about it, to match content
Speaker 2: with a database and identify someone's location. So I would
Speaker 2: be unsurprised to see that kind of technology.
Speaker 1: Mind, Joe, I'm led to believe that the technology is
Speaker 1: so precise that it doesn't need a landmark per se.
Speaker 1: It can just see, for example, you're sitting on a
Speaker 1: tiny bit of beach and it can actually recognize that
Speaker 1: piece of beach out of you know, anywhere on the
Speaker 1: world and tell you exactly where that person is to be.
Speaker 1: That sounds like the kind of technology you don't need.
Speaker 1: The other side of that is, you know, post it
Speaker 1: when you get back.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, this is a really good learning for people
Speaker 2: is when you're on holidays or when you've done a trip.
Speaker 2: You know. I saw someone actually this morning, I was
Speaker 2: going through Instagram and I saw someone who'd been to
Speaker 2: Melbourne and back and I thought it looked like when
Speaker 2: I was looking through it, I thought, oh, they've just
Speaker 2: signed No, they've just having copye note, they've just flying back.
Speaker 2: You know what they did was take photos all day
Speaker 2: and then when they got home they posted them all
Speaker 2: so it looked like a kind of chronological series of events.
Speaker 2: It's a great thing to do, share your holiday memories.
Speaker 2: Like it's funny. I haven't done it yet from our
Speaker 2: holiday months ago. I should grab all the photos and
Speaker 2: do that because I want it as a memory for
Speaker 2: me look back on. But yeah, don't do it in
Speaker 2: the moment. Do it on reflection, and that avoids people
Speaker 2: knowing exactly where you are.
Speaker 1: Absolutely good point, because then people will know that that
Speaker 1: was before and your home now. And one more thing,
Speaker 1: the discovery of sixteen billion usernames and passwords. I saw
Speaker 1: this on thenews, dot com dot au the other day
Speaker 1: and I thought, just like everybody else, I wonder if
Speaker 1: I'm one of those sixteen billion people.
Speaker 2: You definitely are. I mean, it's really as simple as saying, yes,
Speaker 2: you are. If you're on the Internet, you're part of it. Look,
Speaker 2: this is not one data breach. This is not Google
Speaker 2: being hacked or anything like that. But this is a
Speaker 2: discovery of a supermarket for cyber criminals. It just it's
Speaker 2: a realization that cyber criminals have been creating a repository
Speaker 2: of data. They've been taking dudle links from over the
Speaker 2: data links from over the years. They've been maliciously scanning
Speaker 2: people's devices and phones, and we now know they've been
Speaker 2: putting it in one place. And that amount of data
Speaker 2: in one place makes for very good data for scammers
Speaker 2: and cyber criminals to both extort us and steal our identity.
Speaker 2: So it's a reminder to us that our data's out there,
Speaker 2: and it's a reminder to firstly, change your passwords, secondly,
Speaker 2: set up two factor authentication wherever possible, and thirdly, have
Speaker 2: Internet security software on all your devices because it can
Speaker 2: prevent you from losing your existing passwords to these scammers
Speaker 2: in the future.
Speaker 1: And I should correct myself when I said, I wonder
Speaker 1: if I'm one of these sixteen billion people. I've just
Speaker 1: you know, doubled the world's Earth population.
Speaker 2: It could be two billion. We don't know you're part
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I just don't want to be one
Speaker 1: of these sixteen billion user names. Mate, good to talk
Speaker 1: to you. I wonder how many you would know the
Speaker 1: answer this off the top of your head. Sixteen billion
Speaker 1: newsernames and passwords. So that means if everybody on the
Speaker 1: planet's got two, then they've got everybody's information, although I
Speaker 1: think we've got at least five. What do you think,
Speaker 1: off the top of your head would be the average
Speaker 1: amount of passwords and usernames people have?
Speaker 2: I would think fifty fifty. Yeah, I would think. If
Speaker 2: you like, if you're someone that uses Google Chrome, for example,
Speaker 2: go into the settings and open up the password manager
Speaker 2: and scroll through. I'm scrolling right now. It looks like
Speaker 2: there's two hundred fantastic, so many different accounts.
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