WEBVTT - Tech Talk with Trevor Long

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<v Speaker 1>Let's change the subjects some what get to our good

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<v Speaker 1>friend trave along technology expert mate, nice to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about these Meta glasses, these smart glasses do

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<v Speaker 1>they so you wear the glasses on your face and

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<v Speaker 1>then you can it's got a video and it's got

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<v Speaker 1>a camera in it. Am I right there?

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<v Speaker 2>So far spot on here. So this is not the

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<v Speaker 2>first time Meta or Facebook have done this. They've had

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of generations, but these are the first time

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<v Speaker 2>they've partnered with Oakley. So they've currently got some ray

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<v Speaker 2>bands in the market. These are now partnered with Oakley

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<v Speaker 2>and Opley is just another brand of the parent company

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<v Speaker 2>that owns both ray Band and Oakley. But you know

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<v Speaker 2>smart classes in that they yet they have a camera

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<v Speaker 2>on them, so you can take a photo, record video

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<v Speaker 2>kind of point of view style rather than having a

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<v Speaker 2>strap of go pro to your chest to your head.

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<v Speaker 2>You can record content as you're biking, cycling, skiing, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>it is you might be doing. But more importantly, they've

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<v Speaker 2>got speakers in them, so you can listen to the

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<v Speaker 2>radio or podcast while you're walking or writing or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>you're doing. And they've got link to your phone so

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<v Speaker 2>you can use them for AI. So you could ask

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<v Speaker 2>your glasses to take a photo and tell me where

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<v Speaker 2>I am. You can ask your glasses to identify a

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<v Speaker 2>landmark in front of you and tell you more about it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's quite remarkable what they can do.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it sounds fantastic, but to a point, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is privacy for the person who's being filmed, who

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<v Speaker 1>might not realize they're being filmed.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, when you're in a in close quarters, it's very

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<v Speaker 2>obvious of being film because there's a white flashing light

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<v Speaker 2>on them when you're being filmed, when you're standing in

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<v Speaker 2>like I was wearing these when we were on holidays

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<v Speaker 2>in America earlier in the year and standing in the

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<v Speaker 2>Washington Neither Washington Monument, you know, taking photos or asking

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<v Speaker 2>questions about different landmarks. No, no one around me knew

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<v Speaker 2>that I was videoing or taking photos. But likewise, you're

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<v Speaker 2>in a huge public space. There's no way anyone can

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<v Speaker 2>tell whether you are holding your mobile phone scrolling through

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram or whether you're taking videos and photos. So we've

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<v Speaker 2>got to remember, Yeah, these are a step towards a

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<v Speaker 2>concerning area of but we already have huge issues with

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<v Speaker 2>regards to the number of people that are carrying cameras

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<v Speaker 2>around with them in their pocket.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, but that's absolutely true. But I thought I would

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<v Speaker 1>cover that point because I know somebody who said they

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<v Speaker 1>were aware that somebody was wearing them at work and

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<v Speaker 1>not this workplace, and they said they were a bit

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<v Speaker 1>concerned that they will.

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<v Speaker 2>Be these things with prescription lenses in them, so they

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<v Speaker 2>could be your absolute twenty four to seven daily drivers. Know,

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<v Speaker 2>these are my regular sunglasses of ray Band Metas. I

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<v Speaker 2>wear them all the time. They are rarely on because

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<v Speaker 2>if you leave them on, the battery dies after a

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<v Speaker 2>day and a half. If you actually use them talking

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<v Speaker 2>to them, listening to their music, taking videos, they die

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<v Speaker 2>after three or four hours. So yeah, I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I've stood in front of people like one of

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<v Speaker 2>my kids and stuff and taking videos and photos at Disneyland.

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<v Speaker 2>They certainly knew they would tell me that they could

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<v Speaker 2>tell that I was taking a video because they could

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<v Speaker 2>see the white light and things like that. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>more about I think educating people as to what to

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<v Speaker 2>look for with these kind of things, to understand whether

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<v Speaker 2>you're being filmed or photographed.

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<v Speaker 1>And so what would you look for.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the white light, white light. Okay, corner, so that

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<v Speaker 2>you've got your glasses, you know, the lenses, and then

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<v Speaker 2>just above and to the left and right of those

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<v Speaker 2>lenses of these quite clear circles which are the lenses,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's within that lens where the white light flashes.

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<v Speaker 2>So do you see a little white white light flashing

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<v Speaker 2>on someone's glasses, they're taking a video of your folks.

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<v Speaker 1>However, getting to the technology side of it, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>great idea if you're doing anything where you want to

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<v Speaker 1>make some kind of video for your Instagram, for your Facebook, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>as you say, and you don't have to hold a

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<v Speaker 1>phone if you're doing skiing, if you're doing cycling, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing jogging. So the upside of that is it's

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<v Speaker 1>good technology.

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<v Speaker 2>I went two and a half weeks on holidays without

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<v Speaker 2>posting from my phone to social media once, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>pretty prolific on Instagram. So this I use these and

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<v Speaker 2>these only so when whever we would go somewhere significant

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<v Speaker 2>a baseball game or digital end or wherever it was,

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<v Speaker 2>I would just say, hey, meta, take a photo and

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<v Speaker 2>share it on Instagram, and it would go do you

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<v Speaker 2>want to share on Instagram? Yes? And boom it would

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<v Speaker 2>be on Instagram. I didn't touch my phone. So cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Such a great way to share what you're doing. You

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<v Speaker 2>know the concept of social media, the sharing of where

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<v Speaker 2>you are, what you're doing. Very very well done. Why

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<v Speaker 2>are these okay?

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<v Speaker 1>I like that? However, here's another thing, just while we're

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<v Speaker 1>on the subject of warning the social media band with

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<v Speaker 1>the government group saying that technology can work out a

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<v Speaker 1>child's age, but there's a catch. What's the catch?

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<v Speaker 2>The catch is that I was looking through the what

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<v Speaker 2>they call age assurance trials which the government commissioned, and

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of companies say, yep, we can verify the

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<v Speaker 2>age of someone without using an ID, but none of

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<v Speaker 2>them can say they can do it within an inth degree,

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<v Speaker 2>which means there's a limit, and that limit is often

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<v Speaker 2>a variability of around a year. So if you're a

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen year old, you might be taken for a sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>year old or a fourteen year old, or more importantly,

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<v Speaker 2>in my book, if you get to ban sixteen and

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<v Speaker 2>from social media, how do you tell the difference between

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<v Speaker 2>a child who is fifteen years and ten months old

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<v Speaker 2>and a kid it is sixteen years today? Impossible, It's

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<v Speaker 2>not possible. Anyone that's got kids knows when you go

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<v Speaker 2>to kids' sport, you watch them play, and you look

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<v Speaker 2>at their teammates and you go, I don't know how

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<v Speaker 2>old these kids are. Some of them are old, some

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<v Speaker 2>of them younger, and it turns out they're all the

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<v Speaker 2>same age. You can't tell very hard with human eyes

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<v Speaker 2>to know. How do we expect computers to work it out?

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<v Speaker 2>So we have a real problem coming up with the

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<v Speaker 2>rules as to how we're actually going to determine this

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen year old agent without asking for ID from either

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<v Speaker 2>the parents or the children, because that is a required

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<v Speaker 2>part of the legislation. That ID government idea is not mandatory.

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<v Speaker 2>And secondly, and this is only breaking news this morning,

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<v Speaker 2>the e Safety Commissioner has come out and said that

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<v Speaker 2>there's a bunch of things that she has recommended the

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<v Speaker 2>Minister change about the proposed rules, including not excluding YouTube

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<v Speaker 2>from the rules. So it looks like YouTube will be

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<v Speaker 2>part of the band and a lot of changes can't

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<v Speaker 2>before they're implemented.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, another thing I wanted to talk to you about.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it was not on the list of things

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about this morning, but I saw

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<v Speaker 1>this the other day that there's new AI which will

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<v Speaker 1>enable you to if you want to zoom in on

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<v Speaker 1>somebody's holiday photos, for example, and there's somewhere in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>it can actually identify exactly where they are by having

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<v Speaker 1>a look at just the beach or having a look at,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the building that they're standing out in the

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<v Speaker 1>front of. Had you heard.

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<v Speaker 2>About that doesn't surprise me at all. There's a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of great TikTok accounts where one of them is called

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<v Speaker 2>Jose Monkey, and it's brilliant content where people will send

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<v Speaker 2>a video to this guy, just a very short video.

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<v Speaker 2>They might stand in a park somewhere and they'll just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of quickly scan around and say, Jose, maky find me.

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<v Speaker 2>And this guy is able to in a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>hours find them because he can see the landmarks and

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<v Speaker 2>look at things and work stuff out. So that's a

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<v Speaker 2>human being and making that assessment now taking into account

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<v Speaker 2>that Apple and Google and all these mapping companies have

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<v Speaker 2>mapped the world to the nth degree, so buildings on streets,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, satellite imagery of beaches and things. All you

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<v Speaker 2>need is a small amount of either landscape or buildings

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<v Speaker 2>for you know that AI just basically search the database

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<v Speaker 2>of the world and go, well, that's Bondli Pavilion, or

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<v Speaker 2>that's the story bridge in Brisbane. You know, it's actually

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<v Speaker 2>not hard when you think about it, to match content

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<v Speaker 2>with a database and identify someone's location. So I would

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<v Speaker 2>be unsurprised to see that kind of technology.

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<v Speaker 1>Mind, Joe, I'm led to believe that the technology is

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<v Speaker 1>so precise that it doesn't need a landmark per se.

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<v Speaker 1>It can just see, for example, you're sitting on a

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<v Speaker 1>tiny bit of beach and it can actually recognize that

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<v Speaker 1>piece of beach out of you know, anywhere on the

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<v Speaker 1>world and tell you exactly where that person is to be.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds like the kind of technology you don't need.

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<v Speaker 1>The other side of that is, you know, post it

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<v Speaker 1>when you get back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Look, this is a really good learning for people

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<v Speaker 2>is when you're on holidays or when you've done a trip.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. I saw someone actually this morning, I was

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<v Speaker 2>going through Instagram and I saw someone who'd been to

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<v Speaker 2>Melbourne and back and I thought it looked like when

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<v Speaker 2>I was looking through it, I thought, oh, they've just

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<v Speaker 2>signed No, they've just having copye note, they've just flying back.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what they did was take photos all day

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<v Speaker 2>and then when they got home they posted them all

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<v Speaker 2>so it looked like a kind of chronological series of events.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great thing to do, share your holiday memories.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's funny. I haven't done it yet from our

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<v Speaker 2>holiday months ago. I should grab all the photos and

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<v Speaker 2>do that because I want it as a memory for

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<v Speaker 2>me look back on. But yeah, don't do it in

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<v Speaker 2>the moment. Do it on reflection, and that avoids people

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<v Speaker 2>knowing exactly where you are.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely good point, because then people will know that that

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<v Speaker 1>was before and your home now. And one more thing,

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<v Speaker 1>the discovery of sixteen billion usernames and passwords. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>this on thenews, dot com dot au the other day

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought, just like everybody else, I wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm one of those sixteen billion people.

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<v Speaker 2>You definitely are. I mean, it's really as simple as saying, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you are. If you're on the Internet, you're part of it. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>this is not one data breach. This is not Google

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<v Speaker 2>being hacked or anything like that. But this is a

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<v Speaker 2>discovery of a supermarket for cyber criminals. It just it's

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<v Speaker 2>a realization that cyber criminals have been creating a repository

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<v Speaker 2>of data. They've been taking dudle links from over the

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<v Speaker 2>data links from over the years. They've been maliciously scanning

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<v Speaker 2>people's devices and phones, and we now know they've been

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<v Speaker 2>putting it in one place. And that amount of data

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<v Speaker 2>in one place makes for very good data for scammers

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<v Speaker 2>and cyber criminals to both extort us and steal our identity.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a reminder to us that our data's out there,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a reminder to firstly, change your passwords, secondly,

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<v Speaker 2>set up two factor authentication wherever possible, and thirdly, have

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<v Speaker 2>Internet security software on all your devices because it can

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<v Speaker 2>prevent you from losing your existing passwords to these scammers

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<v Speaker 2>in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>And I should correct myself when I said, I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm one of these sixteen billion people. I've just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, doubled the world's Earth population.

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<v Speaker 2>It could be two billion. We don't know you're part

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<v Speaker 2>of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, I just don't want to be one

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<v Speaker 1>of these sixteen billion user names. Mate, good to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to you. I wonder how many you would know the

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<v Speaker 1>answer this off the top of your head. Sixteen billion

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<v Speaker 1>newsernames and passwords. So that means if everybody on the

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<v Speaker 1>planet's got two, then they've got everybody's information, although I

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<v Speaker 1>think we've got at least five. What do you think,

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<v Speaker 1>off the top of your head would be the average

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<v Speaker 1>amount of passwords and usernames people have?

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<v Speaker 2>I would think fifty fifty. Yeah, I would think. If

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<v Speaker 2>you like, if you're someone that uses Google Chrome, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>go into the settings and open up the password manager

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<v Speaker 2>and scroll through. I'm scrolling right now. It looks like

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<v Speaker 2>there's two hundred fantastic, so many different accounts.

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