WEBVTT - Tech History with Ming Johanson, 08 June 2025

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<v Speaker 1>On per six PR. This is remember when with Harvey

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<v Speaker 1>Degan and ming.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Hanson from a marketing Jumpstart is in the studio

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<v Speaker 2>with me right now and she would love to have

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<v Speaker 2>a chat to you. By the way, thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>David in Morley who has sent us to email. I

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<v Speaker 2>owed nothing to do per se with your segment, but

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<v Speaker 2>he said please that we're back to normal show tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>Nice first time this show has been described as normal.

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<v Speaker 3>And David says, go Cleamont and the Fred Dockers. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>the Dockers didn't play, they got to buy.

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<v Speaker 2>But Clermont had a nice little win yesterday OVERSUBI, so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 3>You'd be very happy about that, David. Right. So the

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<v Speaker 3>history of what is Tetris.

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<v Speaker 4>So, Tetris is sort of one of the original video

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<v Speaker 4>games really, and it came out originally it was built

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<v Speaker 4>in the Soviet Union in Russia. It's one of the

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<v Speaker 4>Russian exports and it was in the eighties, in nineteen

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<v Speaker 4>eighty four it came out and then it's so it's

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<v Speaker 4>basically a bunch of shapes that drop down from the top,

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<v Speaker 4>made up of four squares and you have to fit

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<v Speaker 4>them all together and in order to fit them all

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<v Speaker 4>together in one row so that the road clears, and

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<v Speaker 4>if all of the squares don't clear, it sort of

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<v Speaker 4>builds up to the top and then you lose the level.

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<v Speaker 5>Shake.

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<v Speaker 1>You've given me a very strange, perturbed look.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to work out because I'm hopeless of those.

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<v Speaker 2>So I even I stress very seriously when I have

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<v Speaker 2>to have my annual I examinations from the before homologist

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<v Speaker 2>and because they sit in front of this video game thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't like that sort of but I do

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<v Speaker 2>have a pretty good beripheral vision, apparently with more good

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<v Speaker 2>luck than good.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't like the eyeblowy thing thing that blows the air

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<v Speaker 4>in your eye.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>That doesn't worry me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just I don't like having to click on things

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<v Speaker 2>when you see you know, the light click yep. And

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<v Speaker 2>so apparently that was okay last time.

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<v Speaker 4>So you can still play this game for free on

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<v Speaker 4>the Tetris dot com website.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you get if you get it?

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<v Speaker 3>If it happened to solve it? Do you win a

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<v Speaker 3>prize or something?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's just about getting to the highest level.

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<v Speaker 4>And yeah, I've wasted many hours in my playing this game.

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<v Speaker 4>So they celebrated their forty first birthday this week on

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<v Speaker 4>the sixth of June.

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<v Speaker 3>What's been going for forty one years? That same game?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 5>Real?

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, No, I was going to say one. I hadn't

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<v Speaker 3>heard about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was a puzzle game.

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<v Speaker 4>Basically, it was about fitting pieces together and there were

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<v Speaker 4>lots of different colored squares.

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<v Speaker 3>I must still keep doing the crossword in the west.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, have you played mind Sweeper on your computer?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 3>All right, I don't play anything on the computer.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think on the computer.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm on it fun.

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<v Speaker 1>No misspent youth for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I had a misspent youth, but there were no

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<v Speaker 2>computers in those days to misspend it upon.

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<v Speaker 4>No.

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<v Speaker 2>I use the computers a hell of a lot for work,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just can't be bothering. My eyes are usually

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<v Speaker 2>dropping out by the time nighttime comes around and got

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<v Speaker 2>to go to bed.

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<v Speaker 3>Had enough of the computer.

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<v Speaker 4>So if anybody is interested in playing it, it is

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<v Speaker 4>available on tetris dot com for slash Tetris hyphen e sixty.

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<v Speaker 2>So can you join Tetris clubs and like you play

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<v Speaker 2>against one another?

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<v Speaker 3>And do you have Tetris socials?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you go to the pub and no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a bit of a bit of a lonesome game.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, it's very very popular.

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<v Speaker 3>Trying to find out something appealing about that.

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<v Speaker 1>My dead call is just to proof that it was

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<v Speaker 1>popular and that they played.

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<v Speaker 4>The game, because my mum gave a very similar reaction

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<v Speaker 4>to yours, like, what's Tetris with you?

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<v Speaker 2>We'll let these young kids play you and are go

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<v Speaker 2>and have a nice quiet dinner together somewhere. Well, they're

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<v Speaker 2>playing Tetris. Tetris.

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<v Speaker 1>So it ended up.

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<v Speaker 4>Reaching the masses when it joined the Nintendo Game Boy,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was sold into the hands of impressionable young

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<v Speaker 4>millennials around the world.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess I fall.

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<v Speaker 4>So coming thinking about how Tetris didn't Well, it didn't

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<v Speaker 4>invent user experience, which is a thing that we talk

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<v Speaker 4>about a lot in the web industry and websites and

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<v Speaker 4>app development as well. It embodies many of the modern

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<v Speaker 4>UX principles, so it was minimalist. It was simple and

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<v Speaker 4>uncluttered in design. The psychological state of complete immersion allowed

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<v Speaker 4>for flow, so it wasn't overwhelming, it wasn't a difficult

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<v Speaker 4>game to play, and you got immediate feedback so fast

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<v Speaker 4>reactions to player input was really helpful for the game.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's the same thing for websites.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I think a lot of the time we talk about,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, is it easy to navigate a website?

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<v Speaker 1>Why is it?

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<v Speaker 4>If we have a saying in our business where we

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<v Speaker 4>talk about a Franken wife, is your website a Franken wife?

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<v Speaker 4>Which is basically Frankenstein's wife, Where you know, the website

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<v Speaker 4>has just sort of slowly evolved and you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>the website's missing this bolt that on, Oh it's missing

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<v Speaker 4>this bolt, another thing on, and then you kind of

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<v Speaker 4>get to this behemoth of a website that you can't

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<v Speaker 4>find anything on because you kept bolting stuff on, and

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<v Speaker 4>so that whole navigation he became a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Foks, you want to talk to me? Now's the time? One,

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<v Speaker 2>double three A to eighty two is the number? And

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<v Speaker 2>I see Tetris was not a GUI application. I've heard

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<v Speaker 2>of DUI. What's GUO?

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<v Speaker 1>Some n like d UI.

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<v Speaker 4>G UI is graphical user interface. So it was built

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<v Speaker 4>in DOS for any of any of the nerds out

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<v Speaker 4>there listening to this that are going yeah DOS yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>before Windows, before Windows acronym for what that's good quick,

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<v Speaker 4>Mom might know doctor Google, Doctor Google, Doctor Google knows.

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<v Speaker 4>So it was a text character based platform and it

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't like so nothing. You didn't have buttons or things

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<v Speaker 4>to click on on the X to close the window.

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<v Speaker 4>It was basically text based commands.

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<v Speaker 2>Disc operating system and there we go. Yeah, Matt came

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<v Speaker 2>flying in with that, did he? Yep, you beat doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Google by a short half head.

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<v Speaker 4>So the history of UX design, like the first ever

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<v Speaker 4>website was actually which I was surprised about this.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually thought this happened a lot, a lot earlier.

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<v Speaker 4>It was nineteen ninety one, so Tim Berner Lee Berners

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<v Speaker 4>Lee launches the first ever website text only know him,

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<v Speaker 4>no CSS, which is sure for cascading script. It was

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<v Speaker 4>purely informational and coded and basic HTML. So which hypertext

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<v Speaker 4>markup language?

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<v Speaker 3>So what do you do with.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry?

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<v Speaker 3>So he was the only one that had that.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember the first website I looked at was the

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<v Speaker 4>Star Wars website and it took forever to load because

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<v Speaker 4>obviously we had dial up internet back then.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 2>What I would have probably the Hawthorne homepage.

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<v Speaker 4>So Mosaic, which was the first graphical web browser was

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<v Speaker 4>released in nineteen ninety three, and this allowed for the

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<v Speaker 4>display of images in line with text, and it was

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<v Speaker 4>hugely for visual design. If you have a look if

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<v Speaker 4>you look up Amazon in the nineties and what their

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<v Speaker 4>website looks like comparatively to what it looks like now,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a thousand times easier to navigate and not eleven

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<v Speaker 4>billion links to click on to.

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<v Speaker 1>Find your thing.

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<v Speaker 4>So we're looking at the birth of visual design in

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<v Speaker 4>the nineties where we started to have tables. And this

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<v Speaker 4>was when I built my first website to impress a

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<v Speaker 4>boy because it was the only way I could think

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<v Speaker 4>about how to talk to him. No, not at all.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean I managed to talk to him, but yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think.

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<v Speaker 5>I impressed much. Next time, I was a strange kid.

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<v Speaker 5>Next no, he was.

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<v Speaker 4>He was a bit of a computer WHI is that

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<v Speaker 4>kid anyway? And so we like we've kind of progressed

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<v Speaker 4>from there. We had flash for a moment that obviously

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<v Speaker 4>we don't have that anymore on websites, but that allowed

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<v Speaker 4>for animation and graphics and effects to happen on websites

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<v Speaker 4>where things sort of slide from the left.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, James has got a question for you. Go on,

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<v Speaker 2>I got a question for the lovely lady that will

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<v Speaker 2>be you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks James.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yeah, I mean you're making a lot of assumptions

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<v Speaker 4>about me being lovely.

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<v Speaker 2>I will endorse what you have said as one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>percent correct.

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<v Speaker 3>James. Okay, and I should know. Do you think NBN

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<v Speaker 3>will bring back dial up? Is it being funny?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? I think so.

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<v Speaker 4>NBN was was promised to be this wonderful well wind

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<v Speaker 4>of fast internet, and unfortunately we have slower, slower internet

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<v Speaker 4>than some third world countries. Part of that is because

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<v Speaker 4>we are, especially in Western Australia, we have quite a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of urban sprawl and we're sprawled out quite far

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<v Speaker 4>and a lot of the infrastructure and I only know

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<v Speaker 4>this because I used to work for Telstra in my lifetime.

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<v Speaker 1>Ago was was the infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't built properly in a lot of suburbs in

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<v Speaker 4>Western Australia because it was subcontracted and you had one

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<v Speaker 4>phone line that was servicing a whole area instead of

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<v Speaker 4>a singular house. And so when the NBN rolled out,

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<v Speaker 4>this was a bit of a problem for certain areas

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<v Speaker 4>and we still have.

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<v Speaker 1>Like when it was originally being brought out.

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<v Speaker 4>It was about having fiber to the direct to the home,

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<v Speaker 4>and then they were like no, no to the node,

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<v Speaker 4>which is the box before you get.

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<v Speaker 1>To the home, and then it's split out to all

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<v Speaker 1>the homes.

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<v Speaker 4>So all the wiring that's still going to your home

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<v Speaker 4>is copperwerring and isn't very particularly faster for anything.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm just speed. I'm looking for speed man NBN.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm still on one of.

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<v Speaker 1>Those tell on the eighty of cells and.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems to work most of the time. We got

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<v Speaker 2>to let you go soon, but I just do want

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<v Speaker 2>to comment on this. I can't believe, but I do

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<v Speaker 2>know how time is flying by twenty four years since

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<v Speaker 2>when he started using mobiles. And they were those big bricks.

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<v Speaker 3>Weren't they.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I had My first mobile was a

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<v Speaker 4>motoroller and it had a bloody big battery and then

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<v Speaker 4>it had a bloody big charger that you had to

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<v Speaker 4>slide it in in order to charge it, and you

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<v Speaker 4>charge it for it.

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<v Speaker 1>But mind you, it lasted forever because it didn't do anything.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't have any apps.

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<v Speaker 4>You can only make phone calls, which you know, shocking

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<v Speaker 4>a phone making phone call.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say, fancy inventing a device to

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<v Speaker 2>make phone calls. The worst thing that ever happened was

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<v Speaker 2>just directing people to text at all costs.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's start me.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you must tell us about marketing, jumpstart, because you've

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<v Speaker 2>had some magnificent successes lately, and I refer usually to

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<v Speaker 2>the one I know about, and that's Jeffrey Thomas, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>with his aviation not only his YouTube channel which you've

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<v Speaker 2>set up, but also he's got a fantastic website forty

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<v Speaker 2>two k.

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<v Speaker 4>Is it forty two kft dot com, which is all

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<v Speaker 4>about airline new news and aviation news and M three

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<v Speaker 4>P seventy and all of that, all that sort of

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<v Speaker 4>ref rauff and we have been helping him and he

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<v Speaker 4>is our greatest advocate, well, one of our greatest advocates,

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<v Speaker 4>runs around telling everybody how wonderful I am, you are.

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<v Speaker 3>You are quite seriously, you do a fantastic Here's.

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<v Speaker 4>YouTube has absolutely done tremendously and I cannot tell people

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<v Speaker 4>enough about it because it's one of the most underutilized

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<v Speaker 4>tools in Australia in terms of marketing or even like

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<v Speaker 4>creating an income for yourself. And they're doing great guns

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<v Speaker 4>they're doing really, really wonderful. So what marketing job Start

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<v Speaker 4>does is about removing barriers to technology and making it

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<v Speaker 4>easier for your business to succeed online and also translate

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<v Speaker 4>what your business actually is to the Internet. Because a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of the time, when I go to a website

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<v Speaker 4>and I've met the person and I know the person

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<v Speaker 4>and I know the business, if I go to the

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<v Speaker 4>website and the website does not really represent who they are,

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<v Speaker 4>it's quite a jarring experience. And so I'm looking to

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<v Speaker 4>solve that. Really is because I want people to meet

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<v Speaker 4>you online and then meet you in person and go, ah,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not surprised you're exactly the same person you are

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<v Speaker 4>online as you are on the internet.

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<v Speaker 2>Fantastic, alright, fantastic, And we'll reconvene this meeting in a

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<v Speaker 2>few weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I'll see you then.

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<v Speaker 3>Jolly good, We're

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<v Speaker 2>Going to take a break and then Matt Woods will

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<v Speaker 2>see stars.