WEBVTT - TDK, Demons & Jamarra 0:00:01.280 --> 0:00:04.160 Well, he's the most sought after name in free agency, 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:07.080 and tonight we asked the question, could there be a 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:10.400 late twist in the chase of Tom Daconing. We've got 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:14.960 exclusive details on Footy Classified Plus Matthew Lloyd has had 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:17.000 enough and he's seen enough when it comes to the 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:20.599 Melbourne Football Club. He believes change is needed at the top. 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:44.159 Strap yourselves in, get set. It's fully classified. Good evening everyone, 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:47.120 it's great to be back. Welcome to Footy Classified. We've 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:48.800 got a lot to get to tonight, so let's get 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:51.920 straight to welcoming our star studded panel. We begin with 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:54.320 the award winning Damian Barrett, one of the best journos 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:57.200 in the country. Damo, Welcome to you. Jimmy Bartel, the 0:00:57.320 --> 0:00:59.840 enormous and medallist, the Brandlow Medalist and the triple Premiership 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:02.120 play Welcome to you, Jimmy. Evening Sam and the man who 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:05.520 was on twelve occasions, yes twelve, the leading goalkicker at 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:08.320 the SNA Football Club, the legendary Matthew Lloyd. Ludo great 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:09.000 tab make the show. 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:09.720 Thank you the same. 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:12.240 Tom de Cooning is the most sought free agent in 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:14.600 the game. You've got an update on his situation tonight. 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:17.400 Yeah, a really interesting situation. I think as of two 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:20.560 weeks ago there was a resignation internally at Carlton that 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:23.039 he was going to join Saint Kilder on this mega 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:26.479 seven year deal worth upwards of one point six million 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:30.000 dollars per season. I can tell you tonight that on 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:34.200 Friday before leaving for Perth, Tom Deconing actually asked for 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:37.880 a meeting with the incoming chief executive, Graham Wright. They 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:40.559 had that meeting above the gym at the football club 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:42.760 in Brian Cook's office, the man who is about to 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:46.160 leave as chief executive, and in that meeting, Tom de 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:49.200 Cooning essentially asked Graham Wright, who, as you quite rightly 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:51.240 wrote Damil a couple of weeks ago on AFL dot com, 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:54.400 was an agent of change. Okay, if I am going 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:57.400 to stay at this football club, what is going to change? 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:00.680 Really interesting conversation, and I think tell you tonight that 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:03.320 senior Carleton people walked away from knowledge of that meeting, 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:06.880 including some of his senior teammates, thinking okay, well we 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:10.000 thought this guy was gone. But if he's seeking these 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:13.360 sort of meaning at meetings, maybe demote there's a chance he. 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:15.079 Stays Yeah, it's an interesting development. 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:17.639 And in asking for the answer to that question, did 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:19.320 he actually want change? 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:22.639 I think that there is a senior group of Carlton 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.920 players who believe that they have enough talent at the 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:29.400 club's disposal to get them closer to a flag than 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:31.960 what they are. But clearly, and we've been talking order 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:34.440 on this show for a while, there is change needed. 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:37.120 It's just what levers they pull and what Graham Wright 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:37.720 decides to do. 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:40.640 Yeah, and I can understand him asking questions of the 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:42.400 club before he signs. I think it is a good 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:44.760 sign because everyone in the industry was talking that he's 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:46.639 probably going to leave, So that is a good sign 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:49.840 for Carlton. But to me, he's just about going their 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:51.399 best player and they've got a lot of guys who 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:53.480 are just stagnating poor depth. 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:54.920 Is he their most important plant? 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:57.840 Ah? I wouldn't have said that maybe five or six 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:00.480 weeks ago, but I reckon that right now as valuable 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:01.240 as anyone at Carlton. 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:03.880 Jimmy, We'll just stay or would you go? Yeah? 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:05.760 I think he wants to know where the club's going 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:08.320 to go, Like, you can't have another year where you 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:10.359 got the ups and downs of the season, and I 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:12.240 guess he's wanting to see, well, what are you going 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:14.320 to refresh around the football, partner, what's going to shift 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:16.200 in the way we play out football that takes us 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:19.919 up and beyond of course to play finals, be a 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:22.040 top four side that a lot of us expected in 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:25.440 the last couple of years, and success is a great 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:28.679 motivation to stay and you do sacrifice money to stay 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:29.400 part of good teams. 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:31.720 We should say. We spoke to Graham Wright before going 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.240 to air tonight. He wasn't willing to commit publicly, but 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:36.400 he did confirm the meeting took place and that it 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:38.760 was one of several meetings he's had with Tom Deconing 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:43.080 over recent weeks. Lordy the Demons. It was another poor 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:46.280 loss from Simon Goodwin's men. Have you seen enough? 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:49.800 Well, I've been thinking obviously watching Melbourne and you look 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.160 at their records since they last won the premiership and 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:54.680 they've just been on the decline since. So they went 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:56.920 out in straight sets in two finals series. So you 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:00.880 see twenty twenty two, fantastic season six but out in 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:04.760 straight sets. Twenty twenty three again good season, but out 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.560 in straight sets, and it's been a real decline since then. 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:10.040 And I've heard them talk about what they need to 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:12.480 address over the off season, and yet we sit here 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:14.880 at the completion of Round fourteen and they are a 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:15.720 bottom four club. 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:16.520 So what do you say. 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:20.000 What I'm saying is Simon Goodwin his contract at the 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:23.400 end of next year. But I would consider moving on 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:25.719 Simon Goodwin at the end of the year for the 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:28.839 reason that do they need fresh ideas? And I respect Simon, 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:30.560 He's a premiership coach and he's brought a lot of 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:34.200 success to Melbourne, but do they need a fresh set 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:37.599 of eyes overseeing the program? Just come in while you've 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:40.919 got Gorne Petruca, Oliver Byney Pickett made leave. There's stars 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.560 out there. But the same problems happen at Melbourne. So 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:48.360 they misshots, poor inside fifty entries, the lack of connection 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.600 and they've had moments and patches through the last six weeks. 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.440 This is okay, but we're still hearing the same things 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:56.960 over the weekend and the same problems. 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:58.479 And we heard a few of them from the man himself, 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:02.080 Simon Goodwin after the game. Clearly, you know the way 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:04.880 we entered the ball inside fifty certainly wasn't to the 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:06.320 standard that it needs. 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:06.640 To be. 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:09.279 It was a bit of everything, you know, our decision making. 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:13.000 Ability to lower our eyes, ability to airly have an 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:16.520 impact when we had our opportunities, ability to stay calm. 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:19.040 And composed and really finish the play. 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:22.560 That is a non repeat type of statement, isn't it? 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:25.359 From Simon Goodwin post match And to Lordo's point, it 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:28.920 has been happening since the twenty twenty three final series 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:30.480 where they did kick themselves out of it in two 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:31.640 consecutive finals. 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:34.080 So it's interesting to you hear you say though that. 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:36.039 It should be a change at the coaching level, and 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:39.520 not necessarily the people around the coach, because that's also 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:43.640 been in focus the people around Simon Goodwin and equally 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:46.200 changed to the Plaine list. I mean, these mistakes and 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.200 what he's referring to, and this is why he's on repeat. 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:51.240 They're missing goals and they're losing games in a very 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:51.839 similar fashion. 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:54.800 Yeah, so what you're sort of chained see already? Yeah? 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:56.880 Oh they go about to in coming Yeah, and then 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:00.240 they've got the new president new president, Yeah so but 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:03.240 I'm not sure. So that's happening. But on field, Jimmy 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:05.320 just spoke about the coning and what he's maybe looking 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.440 for about change and seeing something. I just think that 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:11.040 that's the time. It isn't Melbourne, Like I think the 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:15.279 on field stuff to me has said broken, it's a 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:17.440 broken record. And that's why I think do they go 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:19.479 in another year and just put faith in in that 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:21.359 it's suddenly going to turn around next year because all 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:24.760 the players are out there, they've got generational type players, 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:26.080 and they're finishing bottom. 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:27.039 And they've locked themselves into those deals. 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:28.719 Jimmy, as we take a look at what they have 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:32.360 done with their contracting of seenior players on long term deals, 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:35.440 and there's big, massive money attached to pretty much all 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:37.880 of those deals, even inclusive of jakb Ben Royan, who 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:40.400 has not performed to expectation. I know he's still a 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:42.760 young player in the system, but that's a long term deal. 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:46.320 Is that suffocating when you look at that now, knowing 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:48.480 how they're playing in twenty twenty five some of those 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:51.320 players on at least you take Gorne out of that equation. 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:53.520 Yeah, Look, if they're going to move forwardy're going to 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:54.960 have to have an adjustment in their game plan. I 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:57.800 think we all acknowledge the way that they're playing isn't sustainable. 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:00.320 The game has moved on from that heavy life of 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:03.320 bang crash contested footy and of course the mix they 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:07.040 went with, the mix that they spooked about, you know, Gorn, Oliver, 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:10.440 Petrarca and Viney in the midfield. Now they won the footy, 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:12.040 but they're not getting it done with their ball use 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:12.920 on the weekend. 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:15.320 So I'm not saying get rid of them, but is. 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:17.360 There opportunities to actually play the younger players in the 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:20.080 more important role? So next year going forward, do we 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:21.880 see more of Lindsay in there? Do we see more 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:22.480 of Langford in? 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:22.840 There? 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:25.680 Is Cosey more fifty to fifty midfield, so they've got 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:28.720 the young Thalstropters. He come through the midfield as well, 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:31.280 so they're going to need to refresh the ideas as 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:33.680 well and game style they actually catch up with some 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:35.119 of these sides, they've gone past them. 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:37.680 Jimmy mentioned Pickett. What did you make him his game 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:39.360 on the weekend? The tail of two halves? It was? 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:42.200 It was so he was the best player on toim 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:45.640 Melbourne in that first half and then like his team 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:47.680 late in the piece, they got blown away. So just 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.120 two disposals, so we saw he got a knock, So 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:52.560 I'd like to give him the benefit, the benefit of 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.280 the doubt with the knock, because you know, he was 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:57.280 exquisite again in that first half. 0:07:57.520 --> 0:07:59.400 Sim You know that the trade space as well as 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:01.760 anyone as we look at what Pickeard is doing in 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:05.400 those recent game after signing that nine year deal last week. 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:08.080 We talked regularly in the lead up to last. 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:09.560 Year's trade period about what could happen to some of 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.520 those names on that list, that Oliver obviously Petruca as well. 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:15.520 I personally expect those two names again to be talked 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:17.160 about in the trade period. Are you hearing the same 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:18.640 thing this time around? 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:20.760 I'd be surprised. Look, it doesn't look like they're gonna 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:22.960 make the aid, so I'd be surprised if clubs don't 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:25.920 circle again. The thing that interests me with Melbourne, Jimmy, 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:28.240 is that we've been talking about their lack of key 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:31.239 forwards for a while now, and yet outside of Taylor 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:33.520 Walker a few years ago before he resigned, I can't 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:36.520 really remember them being linked to chasing one and like 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:38.680 you know, we've got I know Jamar is in a 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:40.560 different space and we'll talk about him in a second, 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:43.200 So maybe he's not the guy, but Oscar Allen available 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:45.520 and yet Melbourne never seemed to get linked to these guys. 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:48.360 No, we don't know the big idea now, we don't 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:50.800 know whether they've got plans, you know, behind closed doors 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:52.000 and they've had to run at them and they've just 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:54.280 got a flat no. But you find a lot of 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:55.640 these key forwards get locked up. 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:56.800 For a considerable amount of time. 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:58.920 But what is the big idea that they're throwing up 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:01.400 on the whiteboard like hack they executed, I think with 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:04.560 the advantage now we're moving to multiple drafts that you 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:07.320 can trade into, of course with picks as well, but 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:09.360 what would be the big idea key forward? And if 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:10.679 you can't get one where you've got to shift the 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.240 game plan because if you're going to just dump the 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:16.800 ball along inside forward fifty with no real key options, 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:18.760 you're not going to win. You're not going to keep 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:19.320 big enough score. 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:22.600 So we bought in Nathan Jones this year but midfield 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:24.600 was a midfield coach. But I'm not sure what else 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:26.880 has changed. So that's what I'll never forget when Damion 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:29.160 hard because I said the same thing about Damien and 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.280 it was he stayed. They supported Damien and he she said, 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:34.199 it's one of the great decisions they've ever made. But 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:37.160 in came Blake Carrouselo. Justin Lepich was in the twenty 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:40.720 sixteen sixteen there was a whole suite and he changed 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:42.679 and it was a totally different brand of football. And 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.000 I think if Simon is the state, I think that's 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:46.959 what it might be. Need a whole suite of coaches 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:49.080 to come in and change his ideas. 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:52.080 Let's move on to your old club now, Lordy, there's 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:55.160 such a hard one to read because they've had some 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:57.440 surprise wins and they got themselves in a position where 0:09:57.440 --> 0:10:01.080 their ladder position was looking okay, but in recent weeks 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:03.439 when they get beaten, they get beaten badly. 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:06.520 Yeah, I don't think it's really tricky, and I was 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:08.960 pretty hard yesterday on the decision making. 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:11.679 Of And that's the comparison to twenty sixteen, which is 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:14.360 of course in the height of them dealing with the 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:15.320 drug Sarget demo. 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:16.959 They're thirty four players were banned. 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:19.480 Yeah, but I'm not sure any team could cope with 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:21.600 what they're dealing with at the moment. So I didn't 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:23.360 like the loss, So I'm not letting them away. I 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.480 hate seeing any team lose by ninety odd because it's 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:28.719 not competitive enough at AFL level when you send out 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:31.280 twenty two players but four of their best six defenders 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:35.360 aren't playing, so Ridley, Reed, Redmond and Mackay. So we're 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:37.400 going to talk about Zach Merritt soon. The reason he's 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:41.120 changed roles is because they're that poor back there. Laverdees 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:43.880 keep the guys trying to play a role that he 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:46.880 shouldn't be and then Jones, Draper, Langford and Bryan so 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:49.160 for So they've got probably seven or eight of their 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:53.200 best twenty two not playing. So's they're hard to judge 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:55.360 this year because I wanted to judge them hard this 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:57.160 year and say have they improved? But I think with 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:59.680 the amount of players they've got out, it's really hard 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:00.720 to talk about him at all. 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:03.440 And despite the injuries boys, it does seem that there's 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:07.199 a similar theme coming from brad Scott even after heavy losses, 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:09.600 and that that is there's a certain way they want 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:10.960 to play, come hell or high water. 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:14.960 I mean, the margin is the margin, but we never 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:16.720 went into a game saving mode. 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:19.080 Let's just get beaten by less. You know, we certainly 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:20.840 wanted to come out and. 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:26.840 Compete and not just sit back and wait for Geelong 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:31.839 to overwhelm us. Bailey Dale has the ball a lot. 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:35.560 You know, we had a couple of plans for him. 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:39.480 Clearly both of them didn't work. Bailey Smith and Max 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:44.400 Holmes were very very good. Our plans for those two 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:49.040 in particular didn't work. And I say plans plural. But 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:51.600 you know, we've got to use this as an opportunity 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:55.000 to practice against the best teams, to bridge the gap 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:56.959 to where we want to be. You know, we'll frame 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:59.880 this as an opportunity to continue to get better. 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:02.319 There's only a big picture approach to what they're doing 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:04.120 that there's absolutely no doubt about that, and maybe the 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:06.400 injuries have forced that, Jimmy, But when you look at 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:08.840 the way he's a merit the captain is being used, 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:11.839 is it at or to the club's detriment right now 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:13.640 that he's not being used in the way he has 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:15.720 traditionally been used in two hundred games of footy. 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:17.319 No, I think Lloydy touched on it before. 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:20.280 If you're they're inexperienced everywhere, but where their most inexperienced 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:22.520 is their back six, of course, and at least through 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:23.040 the midfield. 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:24.160 You've still got set of field. 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:26.439 Durham of course is out, but he's been there, called 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:28.840 well and big Goldie, so you've got enough experience there 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:30.679 to get the job done. And clearly you want to 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:32.240 get the ball out of your back fifty and he's 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:34.600 got quality in class so it doesn't live back there. 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:37.959 But when Brad Scott's talking about the plans they didn't execute, 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.160 this is the really key important bit is he's got 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:42.480 to actually ask the young players the three things. Do 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:44.960 they not understand what the plan is? Two are they 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:47.360 not capable of it physically or skill wise? 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:49.320 Or three do they don't want to? So he can 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:50.959 actually sift through his list pretty quickly. 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:52.280 Can you answer those questions for it? 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:54.600 Well, that's what he needs to sit down with each player. 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:56.520 Whoever had the plan on bailey Dale? 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:58.439 Or what are you seeing as a commentator? 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:01.120 Well, I don't know the third one, and if you 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:02.840 find out anyone who's on that third one where you 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:03.360 don't want. 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.319 To, that makes your list management decisions pretty easy. Out 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:05.640 you go. 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:08.160 But the other two you can actually address, so you 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:09.840 can sit them down, you can walk them through it, 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:11.559 you can teach them the skill where you want to 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:13.439 be physically not capable. 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:15.959 Can they get fitter or are they up to the AFL standard. 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:19.320 I might be reading a little bit too much into this, 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:21.320 but have a listen. This is right at the end 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:23.000 of the press conference. I wonder if this was a 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.840 message from Brad Scott to some of his older players. 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:30.240 We've exposed players to AFL footy that wouldn't have played otherwise, 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:34.320 and you know there are some of those young boys 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:36.280 that I don't think we'll go out about saying for 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:39.520 a long time, regardless of who comes back. 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.400 So he almost finished the answer and then through it 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:45.520 regardless of who comes back. That to me felt like 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:47.080 Brad Scott' saying there's a bit of a change of 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.520 the guard here, like we've been having on the weekend. 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:51.720 But I see a way out of this. 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:55.080 Yeah, there's guy's like I think Sheil Sadus Hobbs who 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:57.360 all played in the and Davy who played in the 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:00.280 seconds over on the weekend. And then that got guys 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:02.040 who are all injured who they might he might be 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:04.840 questioning Ardiston, Hobbs A top picks they come, yeah, but 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:07.440 they just haven't been good enough unfortunately. 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:07.120 So. 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:11.960 Either being subbed out or being used as a sulf. 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:14.120 That's a statement towards Archie perkos So. I think the 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:17.400 belief is that the players that have come in like Roberts, 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:21.360 CaCO Caddy have a real first for it, an energy, 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:24.840 an energy, whereas some who have been drafted before maybe 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:27.080 have you know, it's a real wake up call for them. Yeah, 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:28.800 and I saw that as a positive as well. Lordy 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:29.920 and Zach Johnson. 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:32.160 And Angus Klark, if they didn't get the opportunity, we 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:32.560 will know. 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.200 But looking those two belong at AFL level. 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:38.960 So Jimmy, they're run home and the draft picks have 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.160 now got at hand. What does the rest of this 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:43.760 season look like for them? And what do they do 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:45.680 with those particular picks. When it comes to the type 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:47.400 of player that they'll be seeking. 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:49.280 We'll go back to the draft again, because clearly they're 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:50.160 looking for young talent. 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:51.320 They want to build for the future. 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:53.120 The big decision they've got to make moving forward is 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:55.960 what they're doing with Draper. Now, he'd probably get likely 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:59.120 demo the magic herbs and spices as you love to 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:02.080 talk about. He'd probably get a banned one compensation for him, 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.840 which gives you three picks around the first ten let's 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:06.760 call it the first dozens, and Draper get a band one? 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:07.040 Would he? 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:09.520 Well, what the contract would be offered? And then it 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:13.160 always comes after your first pick where and then they're 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:15.040 going to finish that. That makes three picks in the 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:19.400 first twelve or so would you do that? Well, depends 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:21.760 on what they say from their other young ruckman they've 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:23.160 got on their list. Do they back them, do they 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:23.840 trust them enough? 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:28.160 Who's worth more on the market moment, Draper or Oscar Allen? Well, 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:30.480 you know what I mean, like you, because Oscar Allen 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:33.760 the Sun's going to be banned one and isn't Draper? 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.040 Who would you be taking first up against the school 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:36.480 yard wall? 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.920 Well, I think Draper's got more upside with what I've 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:43.640 seen from coming off as season and yeah, yeah, so 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:46.680 I think what he showed previous. So Brisbane are in 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:49.840 for both of them, I suppose. So I just think 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:51.960 that Brisbane need a ruckman, probably more than they need 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:52.720 to keep forward. 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:54.200 Right now, so we know the Bombers were disappointing. The 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:56.880 Saints were pretty disappointing as well, and they can be 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.240 sort of tied together in many ways given their their 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:02.560 ladder position. Than the fact that their fans are quite frustrated. 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:04.560 But I think the way they're going about it is 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:07.320 quite different. And this was very interesting from former West 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:10.120 Coast Premiership coach Adam Simpson on the weekend. 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:14.520 What mcold is doing now at West Coast it's ball movement, 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:17.720 speed ford hand or we're going to chase an identity 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.040 and we're going to start here. And if that's what 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.360 Securita are doing, what are they chasing now? 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:23.440 What's the little things. 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:24.800 They're going to tick At the end of the year 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:27.720 we won six games, eight games, whatever it is, but 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:30.440 we took a step forward in this progression of our 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:32.800 style of play. Or is it just well, let's just 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:34.560 get through this year. We're not good enough Townent, it's 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:36.560 not there. We'll coach as hard as we can not 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.640 to lose by a lot, which I've done before as well. 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:41.960 It feels like he's in that space as much as 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.560 it's hey, we're heading this way, we're playing this brand, 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:46.280 We're going to be hard to play against them. Whatever 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:49.240 it is internally you're chasing and you project. 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:52.520 It's interesting, Jimmy, are you are you guys seeing that? 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:54.760 Are you seeing a team lot Ross unlike Essendon who 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:57.320 are just mistigating the heavy defeats. 0:16:57.680 --> 0:16:59.520 They've got a lot of young talent on their list, 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:01.840