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S4: Yeah, I'm like, I'm going so cold.

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S3: I'll send you some links.

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S4: You've got to do.

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S1: Stuff because there are fans. They get mad if like

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S1: Yeah, don't mention John Mayer. Is my tip to you at.

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S2: Yeah, I'm mostly concerned. Like, and this won't surprise you

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S4: And then nice it was. Yeah.

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S1: It's tough for them to make money on tours. It's

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S1: I kind of think that this can go two ways, right?

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S1: Maybe I'm just freaking out. I know how you guys

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S4: No, I.

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S2: Be another Taylor for sure. I just don't know how

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S2: And I don't doubt that in 20 years when Taylor's

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S2: I think, anyway. But I think more like to what

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S2: And I do think that that is really a bigger issue.

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S1: Probably have more to say, believe it or not, on

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S1: So the Oscars, one of my favorite nights of the year,

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S1: It's being released on Tuesday on Prime Video. It's called

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S1: same name. He's a professor living in Los Angeles, and

444
00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,230
S1: it seems like he's had some well-received novels a while ago.

445
00:18:20,230 --> 00:18:24,370
S1: But it's he's very much past his very buzzy, hyped era.

446
00:18:24,369 --> 00:18:27,369
S1: He gets sent on leave after a few very funny,

447
00:18:27,369 --> 00:18:31,119
S1: racially charged incidents at college and heads home to where

448
00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,149
S1: he was raised in, uh, seaside, Massachusetts.

449
00:18:35,109 --> 00:18:37,090
S5: How did you come to write this book?

450
00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,300
S6: What really struck me was that too few books were

451
00:18:40,300 --> 00:18:43,780
S6: about my people. Where are our stories? Where's out there?

452
00:18:43,780 --> 00:18:46,450
S1: He becomes aware of an extremely popular new novel written

453
00:18:46,450 --> 00:18:49,390
S1: by a younger black woman, played by the incredible Issa Rae.

454
00:18:49,390 --> 00:18:51,910
S1: Monk's not into it. He thinks his book panders to

455
00:18:51,910 --> 00:18:53,890
S1: stereotypes about black people.

456
00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,500
S5: Would you give us the pleasure of reading an excerpt?

457
00:18:58,710 --> 00:19:03,060
S6: Yo, Sharonda. Girl, you be pregnant again. If I is,

458
00:19:03,060 --> 00:19:06,030
S6: Ray-Ray is going to be a real father this time around.

459
00:19:08,430 --> 00:19:11,280
S1: And he's very, very critical of it. But eventually, after

460
00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,800
S1: his latest manuscript is rejected by all the publishers he

461
00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,280
S1: sent it to, he decides to write his own heavily

462
00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,290
S1: stereotypical book to prove a point.

463
00:19:20,790 --> 00:19:23,310
S7: I be standing outside in the night.

464
00:19:23,340 --> 00:19:26,639
S8: Deadbeat dads, rappers crack. You said you wanted black stuff.

465
00:19:26,670 --> 00:19:28,470
S8: That's black. Right?

466
00:19:28,590 --> 00:19:29,700
S9: I see what you're doing.

467
00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:32,650
S10: We sold the book and.

468
00:19:32,650 --> 00:19:35,680
S1: He does the book goes ballistic, becomes a bestseller, is

469
00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,200
S1: nominated for big awards. And all of this just makes

470
00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,169
S1: monk angry and angry. He's pissed off that white audiences

471
00:19:41,170 --> 00:19:45,129
S1: only want one kind of black story. So there's like

472
00:19:45,130 --> 00:19:47,050
S1: a whole side to this film that is a satire,

473
00:19:47,050 --> 00:19:49,840
S1: I guess, on how art and culture, and particularly literature

474
00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,090
S1: uprights at the moment. While that's going on, monk is

475
00:19:52,090 --> 00:19:54,939
S1: also dealing with family drama. His brother has recently come

476
00:19:54,940 --> 00:19:58,000
S1: out as gay, his mother is suffering from Alzheimer's, and

477
00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,150
S1: monk slowly starts to realize he's starting to exhibit the

478
00:20:01,150 --> 00:20:05,169
S1: same kinds of moral failings his late father displayed. So

479
00:20:05,170 --> 00:20:07,690
S1: we get we're getting these two dimensions, the satire and

480
00:20:07,690 --> 00:20:11,170
S1: this really moving, relatable family piece. The film has a

481
00:20:11,170 --> 00:20:14,440
S1: brilliant supporting cast, including Sterling K Brown as Monk's brother

482
00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,320
S1: who talk about being jacked. Looks awesome in this movie,

483
00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,530
S1: and Adam Brody, one of our faves who plays a

484
00:20:20,530 --> 00:20:24,429
S1: director very keen to adapt the new book. Overall, I

485
00:20:24,430 --> 00:20:27,790
S1: thought this movie was like brilliant. Like, I really like this.

486
00:20:27,790 --> 00:20:30,760
S1: It's one of my favorites of this Oscar season. From

487
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,129
S1: the opening scene, it kind of reminds me of to

488
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,010
S1: like this really smart, interesting way to tease out what

489
00:20:36,010 --> 00:20:40,030
S1: the movie's about, about cancel culture and and privilege and

490
00:20:40,030 --> 00:20:42,790
S1: this idea of representation in art, but not taking a

491
00:20:42,790 --> 00:20:45,970
S1: black and white perspective being very nuanced. I'm really excited

492
00:20:45,970 --> 00:20:47,800
S1: to talk to you guys about this, both the movie,

493
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,350
S1: the ideas in it, where it fits into the Oscars race,

494
00:20:50,350 --> 00:20:52,750
S1: why it's not being released in Australia. Mel, what did

495
00:20:52,750 --> 00:20:53,409
S1: you think of that?

496
00:20:53,619 --> 00:20:55,780
S3: I loved it, I thought it was an absolute delight

497
00:20:55,780 --> 00:20:57,640
S3: of a film, which will probably not surprise you, because

498
00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,010
S3: it's got all of my favorite things, like publishing the

499
00:21:00,010 --> 00:21:01,869
S3: literary world, a literary hoax.

500
00:21:01,990 --> 00:21:02,260
S4: You never.

501
00:21:02,260 --> 00:21:03,669
S1: Said yes to an idea for a.

502
00:21:03,670 --> 00:21:04,869
S4: Podcast. I actually.

503
00:21:04,869 --> 00:21:06,790
S3: Thought it was quite kind when you suggested it, so

504
00:21:06,790 --> 00:21:07,030
S3: I was like.

505
00:21:07,030 --> 00:21:08,950
S4: That's nice. I'm a nice guy. I think you've done

506
00:21:08,950 --> 00:21:09,910
S4: something for me.

507
00:21:09,940 --> 00:21:12,490
S3: No, I, um, I thought it was so good. I

508
00:21:12,490 --> 00:21:15,460
S3: laughed out loud at multiple points during this, and I

509
00:21:15,460 --> 00:21:19,150
S3: thought the representation of the book world was, while being

510
00:21:19,150 --> 00:21:22,330
S3: satirical enough to be funny. It was also very true.

511
00:21:22,330 --> 00:21:25,540
S3: Like from my experience of publishing and the industry, it

512
00:21:25,540 --> 00:21:28,690
S3: is like so true as well. And then the family

513
00:21:28,690 --> 00:21:31,270
S3: side and the family dynamic of it was quite heartfelt

514
00:21:31,270 --> 00:21:34,270
S3: and brought another element to it. Um, I guess my

515
00:21:34,270 --> 00:21:37,060
S3: only criticism, which is kind of a backhanded compliment, is

516
00:21:37,060 --> 00:21:39,700
S3: that like to me, it felt almost too short, like

517
00:21:39,700 --> 00:21:42,250
S3: I felt like it could have done a better exploration

518
00:21:42,250 --> 00:21:44,169
S3: of both, you know, the points it was trying to

519
00:21:44,170 --> 00:21:46,270
S3: make about book publishing and the points it was trying

520
00:21:46,270 --> 00:21:48,430
S3: to make about family. If it had more time, like,

521
00:21:48,430 --> 00:21:50,380
S3: I was almost like, this is one case where I

522
00:21:50,380 --> 00:21:53,410
S3: do want many more episodes, like, I want this split

523
00:21:53,410 --> 00:21:55,660
S3: up and I want more of it, whereas, I mean,

524
00:21:55,660 --> 00:21:57,520
S3: it was quite a long I'm nearly two hours of

525
00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,950
S3: a film. It is substantial. But yeah, I was ready

526
00:21:59,950 --> 00:22:02,200
S3: for more and thought it could have gone deeper if

527
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,250
S3: we had more time.

528
00:22:03,250 --> 00:22:06,190
S2: Yeah, I also really liked it. So we're all in agreement. Um,

529
00:22:06,190 --> 00:22:09,250
S2: I thought firstly, I thought Jeffrey Wright was amazing. Yeah. Um,

530
00:22:09,250 --> 00:22:12,850
S2: he's just so, like, such a great actor, and he's

531
00:22:12,850 --> 00:22:14,680
S2: not in enough stuff. And he kind of did, like,

532
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,580
S2: the cantankerous, you know, like Professor Ryder guy just well enough.

533
00:22:18,580 --> 00:22:20,260
S2: But then he was still really funny. And he's got this,

534
00:22:20,260 --> 00:22:22,390
S2: you know, Sterling K Brown is like the foil to him.

535
00:22:22,390 --> 00:22:22,930
S2: They're really loose.

536
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,929
S1: And they're both nominated. He's nominated for best actor in

537
00:22:25,930 --> 00:22:27,910
S1: Sterling K brands nominated for best supporting Actor.

538
00:22:27,910 --> 00:22:30,640
S2: Yeah like they and very much deserved I just think

539
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,800
S2: it's so funny. I feel like we're really in this moment, um,

540
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,590
S2: of like lots of different pieces of art, um, from

541
00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:37,900
S2: like films and books and TV that are looking very

542
00:22:37,900 --> 00:22:41,680
S2: much at this same issue. And we've had some conversations, Mel,

543
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,690
S2: where I'm like always got fatigue with some of it.

544
00:22:43,690 --> 00:22:46,540
S2: And then this, like, weirdly, I didn't really know that

545
00:22:46,540 --> 00:22:48,639
S2: much about the film. And then going into this, I

546
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,560
S2: was like, almost like, oh, is it going to be

547
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,840
S2: another thing where we're looking at like cancel culture and

548
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,150
S2: whose story belonged to who or whatever? And it just

549
00:22:55,150 --> 00:22:58,210
S2: was so well done. And, and the way it it

550
00:22:58,210 --> 00:23:00,850
S2: kind of made you think about the issues it was

551
00:23:00,850 --> 00:23:02,830
S2: putting in front of you. It didn't like there was

552
00:23:02,830 --> 00:23:04,300
S2: no like this is how you should feel about it.

553
00:23:04,300 --> 00:23:06,699
S2: This is the right point of view, especially with Issa Rae,

554
00:23:06,700 --> 00:23:09,159
S2: his character. But yeah, I just thought it took a

555
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,000
S2: really zeitgeisty issue and they made it really funny and

556
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,890
S2: B made it made you think about it.

557
00:23:14,890 --> 00:23:17,080
S1: Yeah. And I think it operates on on so many

558
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,380
S1: different levels. Whether you're familiar with the world of literature

559
00:23:20,380 --> 00:23:23,470
S1: or not, really like it still is very good at

560
00:23:23,470 --> 00:23:26,530
S1: at bringing you in and making you understand how this operates.

561
00:23:26,530 --> 00:23:29,440
S1: But yeah, like you male, if you are intimately familiar

562
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,090
S1: with the world of literature and I guess I've got

563
00:23:31,090 --> 00:23:33,520
S1: to be careful how I phrase this, but without throwing

564
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,590
S1: any people under the bus or naming names. I mean,

565
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:39,129
S1: I've judged book prizes that have gone in very similar ways. And,

566
00:23:39,130 --> 00:23:41,410
S1: you know, one of the running themes of this book

567
00:23:41,410 --> 00:23:46,030
S1: is how, I guess, white gatekeepers, whether they are publishers,

568
00:23:46,030 --> 00:23:49,660
S1: whether they are curators of festivals and events, whether they

569
00:23:49,660 --> 00:23:53,350
S1: are judges of critical prizes, are aware that there is

570
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:56,290
S1: a conversation going on around diversity and representation, but do

571
00:23:56,290 --> 00:23:59,530
S1: not really want to cede power around that. So they

572
00:23:59,530 --> 00:24:02,350
S1: overcompensate by talking a lot about how much they love,

573
00:24:02,350 --> 00:24:04,869
S1: in this case, like black people, and sharing them with praise.

574
00:24:04,869 --> 00:24:07,240
S1: And I mean, we see that play out in literature

575
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:08,709
S1: in this country. We see that play out in the

576
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:12,430
S1: arts and galleries like galleries in Australia. I have this

577
00:24:12,430 --> 00:24:17,980
S1: like theory that the whiter the board and administration of

578
00:24:17,980 --> 00:24:22,510
S1: a gallery or arts institution is, the more that there

579
00:24:22,510 --> 00:24:24,340
S1: will be art from people of color in there, because

580
00:24:24,340 --> 00:24:26,500
S1: it's kind of their defense mechanism. It's like, well, I

581
00:24:26,500 --> 00:24:28,090
S1: still want to be the publisher. I still want to

582
00:24:28,090 --> 00:24:30,369
S1: be the person running it. But like, you can't attack

583
00:24:30,369 --> 00:24:30,820
S1: me because.

584
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:31,520
S4: Look how progressive.

585
00:24:31,730 --> 00:24:33,950
S1: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I thought the movie did such a

586
00:24:33,950 --> 00:24:35,899
S1: good job of exploring that.

587
00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:38,750
S3: Yeah, all about how to kind of try to give

588
00:24:38,750 --> 00:24:41,899
S3: the the symbolism of ceding some kind of power without

589
00:24:41,900 --> 00:24:44,810
S3: actually doing any of it. And two characters in particular,

590
00:24:44,810 --> 00:24:48,050
S3: the Adam Brody character and the publisher character, who is

591
00:24:48,050 --> 00:24:50,930
S3: played by Miriam Shaw, who very funnily plays the publisher

592
00:24:50,930 --> 00:24:52,580
S3: in in younger. So it was quite a.

593
00:24:52,580 --> 00:24:52,970
S4: Nice.

594
00:24:53,540 --> 00:24:58,399
S3: Crossover. Both of those characters are like so horrific but

595
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,760
S3: hilarious in the way they play the kind of well-meaning

596
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,190
S3: figure of, well, yes, we're trying to give like voice

597
00:25:04,190 --> 00:25:07,639
S3: to people of color, but then obviously just purely about

598
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,360
S3: the corporatization and commercialization of those voices. Um, I thought

599
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,490
S3: both of those characters were great.

600
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,130
S1: Though the satire element of it really reminded me of

601
00:25:16,130 --> 00:25:18,230
S1: of Get Out in some ways, both in terms of

602
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:22,190
S1: skewering a certain liberal kind of white person, but also

603
00:25:22,190 --> 00:25:24,530
S1: like the the funny thing about both Get Out and

604
00:25:24,530 --> 00:25:28,850
S1: this movie is the audience, for it is likely the

605
00:25:28,850 --> 00:25:31,369
S1: people who this movie is making fun of. Like in

606
00:25:31,369 --> 00:25:33,080
S1: Get Out, most of the white people go to that movie.

607
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,850
S1: Other people who would have been like, yeah, I would

608
00:25:34,850 --> 00:25:36,200
S1: have voted for Obama a third time. What are you

609
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,110
S1: talking about? And the, um, the the publishing character played

610
00:25:39,109 --> 00:25:42,500
S1: by Miriam Shaw, who has these posters of Ruth Bader Ginsburg,

611
00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:44,389
S1: like people going to see a movie like American fiction

612
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:46,550
S1: are like, I love Ruth Bader Ginsburg. I wear one

613
00:25:46,550 --> 00:25:48,800
S1: of her T-shirts. It's so good at making you feel

614
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,869
S1: uncomfortable as you're watching yourself be skewered.

615
00:25:50,869 --> 00:25:52,910
S3: Yeah, I agree, and like I will say, the only

616
00:25:52,910 --> 00:25:54,530
S3: other thing I would have liked to see a bit

617
00:25:54,530 --> 00:25:57,169
S3: more of in this film was Issa Rae, who plays

618
00:25:57,170 --> 00:26:00,020
S3: Centara Golden, who is the one who kind of publishes

619
00:26:00,020 --> 00:26:01,879
S3: the book that is essentially.

620
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:02,300
S4: What's the.

621
00:26:02,510 --> 00:26:04,490
S2: We? We lives in the ghetto or something.

622
00:26:04,490 --> 00:26:06,500
S4: She lives in the ghetto. Yeah. The kind.

623
00:26:06,500 --> 00:26:06,859
S3: Of.

624
00:26:07,369 --> 00:26:07,790
S4: Novel.

625
00:26:07,790 --> 00:26:11,960
S3: Of suffering that monk is so disturbed by. Um, I

626
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,000
S3: would have loved to see more of Issa Rae in

627
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,340
S3: the film, but there is a scene that I think

628
00:26:16,340 --> 00:26:20,000
S3: the whole film really hinges on between Issa Rae and Monk,

629
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,430
S3: where they both put to each other their reasons for

630
00:26:22,430 --> 00:26:25,910
S3: writing certain kinds of novels. And, you know, he accuses

631
00:26:25,910 --> 00:26:28,730
S3: her of only writing a novel to meet bass desires,

632
00:26:28,730 --> 00:26:31,369
S3: and she essentially says, like, what's wrong with giving the

633
00:26:31,369 --> 00:26:34,250
S3: market what it wants? And I thought that kind of exchange,

634
00:26:34,250 --> 00:26:36,109
S3: which it's short, but it's just the two of them,

635
00:26:36,290 --> 00:26:39,980
S3: really brought another dimension that this film otherwise would have lacked,

636
00:26:39,980 --> 00:26:42,350
S3: like it made what it was doing more nuanced because

637
00:26:42,350 --> 00:26:44,240
S3: it did say, look, you're not wrong if you write

638
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,950
S3: a novel of kind of suffering, like, is that necessarily wrong?

639
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:52,189
S3: And who is necessarily empowered by this? I just thought

640
00:26:52,190 --> 00:26:53,600
S3: it was an interesting moment. Yeah.

641
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,340
S2: And then I love that it's juxtaposed by they're having

642
00:26:55,340 --> 00:26:57,230
S2: this really heavy conversation about race. And then the other

643
00:26:57,230 --> 00:26:58,790
S2: white judge comes in and like sits down with her lunch.

644
00:26:58,790 --> 00:27:01,489
S2: She's like, what are we talking about? Yeah. And that's

645
00:27:01,490 --> 00:27:02,960
S2: the other thing. I thought it was very funny, this

646
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,449
S2: movie like I think especially if you're in, you know,

647
00:27:05,450 --> 00:27:08,120
S2: if you're publishing adjacent or anything like that, it gives

648
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,889
S2: you like a really interesting look inside the world, especially

649
00:27:09,890 --> 00:27:12,650
S2: even like the writer's festivals and stuff, like when, when

650
00:27:12,650 --> 00:27:14,810
S2: he goes to watch Issa Rae's character do a reading

651
00:27:14,810 --> 00:27:17,120
S2: and he's like quite mortified. He's come from just doing

652
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,389
S2: his own very sad Q&A with like five people. And

653
00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:21,350
S2: he goes, that's what you get.

654
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:22,520
S1: I get the Issa Rae crowds.

655
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:23,780
S4: Yeah, yeah, make five.

656
00:27:23,780 --> 00:27:24,080
S2: I'd be.

657
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:24,919
S4: Cheering oh, here we.

658
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,150
S3: Go plugging his book again.

659
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,070
S4: And it actually is still available.

660
00:27:28,670 --> 00:27:30,590
S2: But yeah like he goes to this you know packed

661
00:27:30,590 --> 00:27:33,110
S2: out auditorium to listen to Issa Rae. And she does

662
00:27:33,109 --> 00:27:35,690
S2: a reading and he's just like watching her. Can't believe

663
00:27:35,690 --> 00:27:38,240
S2: what he's hearing. And then like, he's standing there in

664
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:39,980
S2: the crowd and then like this one white woman stands

665
00:27:39,980 --> 00:27:41,149
S2: up in front of him and starts doing, like, a

666
00:27:41,150 --> 00:27:43,250
S2: standing ovation. I just thought there was like some really

667
00:27:43,250 --> 00:27:44,869
S2: clever imagery in it. And yeah, it was like it

668
00:27:44,869 --> 00:27:46,580
S2: was a very, very funny movie. I was watching it

669
00:27:46,580 --> 00:27:49,280
S2: like with my headphones on because my wife was watching maths,

670
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,609
S2: which is also great. Uh, but she kept like, you know,

671
00:27:52,609 --> 00:27:54,679
S2: when you got headphones on and someone else is like,

672
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,750
S2: listening to you laugh. Yeah, yeah. Um, and it really

673
00:27:56,750 --> 00:27:58,100
S2: made me realize how much I was laughing.

674
00:27:58,100 --> 00:27:58,730
S4: Which is a.

675
00:27:58,730 --> 00:28:01,070
S1: Really good testament to this movie. It's just under two hours.

676
00:28:01,070 --> 00:28:05,240
S1: It's really meaty intellectually, and it's really funny. And this

677
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,250
S1: other side of it, I want to get your guys's

678
00:28:07,250 --> 00:28:10,040
S1: takes on this the the kind of family dimension. Because

679
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,750
S1: I'd heard a bit about this movie, I did not

680
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:13,640
S1: know there was a whole other plot going on about

681
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,820
S1: him kind of returning home and grappling with that. I

682
00:28:16,820 --> 00:28:19,489
S1: thought it was done very well. I thought particularly in

683
00:28:19,490 --> 00:28:21,890
S1: these kinds of movies where there's a plot and there's

684
00:28:21,890 --> 00:28:24,109
S1: a device and like, we're kind of exploring these big

685
00:28:24,109 --> 00:28:28,129
S1: themes through it. You just stay there. But everyone in

686
00:28:28,130 --> 00:28:30,500
S1: the world is real and everyone's dealing with their own stuff.

687
00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:32,300
S1: And I thought this movie did such a good job

688
00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:36,530
S1: of having a character engage with those ideas and like,

689
00:28:36,530 --> 00:28:39,440
S1: you know, take on this extraordinary gambit, but also have

690
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,660
S1: to do that whilst dealing with his own family. And

691
00:28:41,660 --> 00:28:44,360
S1: then as that plays out, you understand a bit more

692
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,090
S1: about where he's come from and why. Maybe he feels so,

693
00:28:47,090 --> 00:28:50,780
S1: like angry and bitter about his career the way that

694
00:28:50,780 --> 00:28:54,740
S1: like blackness is represented. Why he feels he's being, I guess,

695
00:28:54,740 --> 00:28:56,960
S1: sort of let down by society. I thought the two

696
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,180
S1: worked quite well. What did you guys think?

697
00:28:59,180 --> 00:29:01,130
S3: Yeah, I do, and I think they kind of spoke

698
00:29:01,130 --> 00:29:05,360
S3: to a broader message about authenticity. Authenticity with your family,

699
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,610
S3: with the world as an artist, like they did. It

700
00:29:07,610 --> 00:29:09,950
S3: did point to that broader note. And I also the

701
00:29:09,950 --> 00:29:12,710
S3: people in the family cast, like Tracee Ellis Ross, who

702
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:15,110
S3: unfortunately wasn't in it for long. But it is like

703
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:17,750
S3: the supporting cast was fantastic in this, and the dynamic

704
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:20,060
S3: with the family brought a level of depth, I think,

705
00:29:20,060 --> 00:29:22,850
S3: that maybe avoided what could have seemed more surface and

706
00:29:22,850 --> 00:29:27,020
S3: just more tricky, funny, glistening comedy of the satirical elements.

707
00:29:27,020 --> 00:29:29,300
S3: It kind of added a layer of emotion to it

708
00:29:29,300 --> 00:29:31,850
S3: that I think worked quite well. Well with the funny parts,

709
00:29:31,850 --> 00:29:34,160
S3: but and in saying that, it wasn't like it's serious

710
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,950
S3: and funny, I think there was humor through it all.

711
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:40,310
S2: Yeah, I think like I thought maybe tonally like shifted

712
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:43,340
S2: around a little bit much, um, between like, you know,

713
00:29:43,340 --> 00:29:45,350
S2: obviously kind of the main chunk of the story and

714
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:47,450
S2: then like the family stuff. But I understood, like why

715
00:29:47,450 --> 00:29:48,590
S2: it was in there, and I still think they were,

716
00:29:48,590 --> 00:29:51,320
S2: they were all really good. But then I if anything,

717
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:52,700
S2: I and again, I really liked the movie, but I

718
00:29:52,700 --> 00:29:55,760
S2: would say if anything, maybe the final act kind of

719
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,890
S2: lost me a little bit. It goes to some like

720
00:29:57,890 --> 00:29:59,780
S2: we won't know spoilers, but it goes to some pretty

721
00:29:59,780 --> 00:30:02,450
S2: strange areas and gets a little bit like out there

722
00:30:02,450 --> 00:30:04,310
S2: towards the end. I still thought it was like really quite,

723
00:30:04,430 --> 00:30:05,210
S2: quite a nice ending.

724
00:30:05,390 --> 00:30:05,690
S4: Yeah, I.

725
00:30:05,690 --> 00:30:07,640
S1: Don't I don't want to spoil it. I think maybe

726
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,220
S1: we can just say like it adopts the kind of

727
00:30:10,220 --> 00:30:13,640
S1: killers of the Flower Moon Martin Scorsese esque meta take

728
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,850
S1: on film, and I hear You Like It sort of

729
00:30:16,850 --> 00:30:18,979
S1: kind of came out of nowhere for me. But I

730
00:30:18,980 --> 00:30:21,110
S1: also sort of did like now that the movie has

731
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:23,780
S1: been nominated for an Oscar, and there is commentary going

732
00:30:23,780 --> 00:30:27,110
S1: on in this film about like, what kind of art

733
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:29,600
S1: gets nominated for the big awards and that sort of thing.

734
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,580
S1: It just was an extra layer that I thought was

735
00:30:31,580 --> 00:30:34,220
S1: a very smart little hat tip to how the movie

736
00:30:34,220 --> 00:30:36,680
S1: is going to be received, I thought, and how hard

737
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:37,490
S1: it is to end.

738
00:30:37,490 --> 00:30:40,220
S2: Things actually did say, and this sounds so funny. Um,

739
00:30:40,580 --> 00:30:42,530
S2: like right before I say it, just picking out the

740
00:30:42,530 --> 00:30:44,420
S2: one white person in a really strong black movie. Adam

741
00:30:44,420 --> 00:30:45,710
S2: Brody was actually really funny in this.

742
00:30:45,710 --> 00:30:46,490
S4: He was really funny.

743
00:30:46,490 --> 00:30:47,870
S2: He does. He's in this weird thing where he's like,

744
00:30:47,870 --> 00:30:49,520
S2: he pops up in movies for like ten minutes.

745
00:30:49,730 --> 00:30:50,450
S4: As a villain.

746
00:30:50,450 --> 00:30:50,960
S3: Now.

747
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,610
S4: Yeah, well, that's the other thing. He's like, he's.

748
00:30:52,610 --> 00:30:54,500
S2: Like, Seth is gone. He's got like the kind of

749
00:30:54,500 --> 00:30:57,140
S2: Hollywood hair and like, I thought his character, he plays

750
00:30:57,140 --> 00:30:58,670
S2: this kind of like, you know, the movie producer who's

751
00:30:58,670 --> 00:31:01,040
S2: going to adapt it for screen and stuff. And I

752
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,010
S2: thought he both his kind of scenes were really, really important.

753
00:31:04,010 --> 00:31:06,860
S2: And he was very funny. And he really nailed the like,

754
00:31:07,070 --> 00:31:10,100
S2: almost like best Intentions, but really just a slick, gross

755
00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:12,770
S2: Hollywood producer that sees like, you know, like poverty porn

756
00:31:12,770 --> 00:31:14,600
S2: or whatever and, and like, wants to take advantage of.

757
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,480
S1: Yeah, he's making a horror movie about a massacre on

758
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,980
S1: a plantation. It's awesome stuff called Jefferson. Who wrote and

759
00:31:21,980 --> 00:31:25,490
S1: directed it. He's had some pretty interesting credits in his career.

760
00:31:25,490 --> 00:31:27,170
S1: So we should say I started out as a journalist.

761
00:31:27,170 --> 00:31:29,420
S1: He kind of made his name writing for Gawker. So

762
00:31:29,540 --> 00:31:30,860
S1: there's hope for all of us if we want to

763
00:31:30,860 --> 00:31:35,270
S1: be Academy Award nominated directors. Um, he was a writer

764
00:31:35,270 --> 00:31:39,350
S1: and master of none. He wrote for Watchmen and Station 11,

765
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:41,360
S1: which like two of my favorite shows from the past

766
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,150
S1: couple of years, and he's credited on succession as like

767
00:31:44,150 --> 00:31:46,670
S1: a consultant. Do you know what that means? What was

768
00:31:46,670 --> 00:31:47,630
S1: he doing on succession?

769
00:31:47,630 --> 00:31:48,620
S4: I don't know what he meant.

770
00:31:48,620 --> 00:31:49,880
S3: I thought he also had screenwriting.

771
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,550
S4: Yeah, right. Okay, cool. Yeah. On succession. Yeah. Should I check?

772
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,110
S4: We probably should have. Um, so probably.

773
00:31:54,110 --> 00:31:56,120
S1: Should have, like, lead with that to get people excited.

774
00:31:56,450 --> 00:31:59,270
S1: He's like this absolute gun writer who's doing his own

775
00:31:59,270 --> 00:32:01,640
S1: thing for the first time. And like, props to him

776
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,910
S1: for turning his debut into an into a nominated, like,

777
00:32:04,910 --> 00:32:05,750
S1: best picture film.

778
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:05,930
S4: Yeah.

779
00:32:05,930 --> 00:32:08,180
S3: So I did listen to an interview with him, and

780
00:32:08,180 --> 00:32:10,970
S3: he was working on an Apple project that fell over,

781
00:32:10,970 --> 00:32:12,979
S3: and he was very sad about that. And so he

782
00:32:12,980 --> 00:32:14,870
S3: just went he was just reading books. And then he

783
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:18,290
S3: discovered the Percival Everett book in a library, in a bookshop.

784
00:32:18,290 --> 00:32:20,420
S3: Went and picked it up, read it immediately. And he

785
00:32:20,420 --> 00:32:22,850
S3: speaks about how he has never felt more connected to

786
00:32:22,850 --> 00:32:25,760
S3: a book before or ever since, and he just knew

787
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,490
S3: that he wanted to turn it into a screenplay. Contacted

788
00:32:28,490 --> 00:32:30,890
S3: Percival Everett, and he said, look, people have tried to

789
00:32:30,890 --> 00:32:33,320
S3: buy it before, but I've not wanted to sell it. Um,

790
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,780
S3: let's have a phone chat. They had a phone chat

791
00:32:35,780 --> 00:32:38,270
S3: and then about later on that day, a few hours later,

792
00:32:38,270 --> 00:32:40,040
S3: Percival Everett called him up and said, you can have

793
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,110
S3: the rights for six months to do what you want

794
00:32:42,110 --> 00:32:44,090
S3: with it, and you can pay me back if it

795
00:32:44,090 --> 00:32:47,719
S3: gets made. So yeah, it's a pretty remarkable story.

796
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,370
S2: That is a cool story. Good story.

797
00:32:49,370 --> 00:32:50,270
S4: Yeah. Um, and.

798
00:32:50,270 --> 00:32:52,640
S1: So yeah, that was the category won the BAFTA in

799
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,640
S1: Adapted screenplay. Maybe that's an opportunity for us to talk

800
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,730
S1: about like where it sits in the Oscars. So it's

801
00:32:58,730 --> 00:33:01,550
S1: sort of interesting. As we said, it hasn't been released

802
00:33:01,550 --> 00:33:04,730
S1: in Australian theaters yet. It won't be. It's obviously in

803
00:33:04,730 --> 00:33:07,730
S1: the best Picture. It's kind of drowned out by like

804
00:33:07,730 --> 00:33:10,250
S1: Oppenheimer and the Zone of Interest in those ones, but

805
00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:12,110
S1: I think it could be a really strong chance for

806
00:33:12,110 --> 00:33:16,670
S1: adapted screenplay. Um, it's Up Against Bobby, which is a

807
00:33:16,670 --> 00:33:18,890
S1: really funny adapted one. I think that was a big

808
00:33:18,890 --> 00:33:19,820
S1: debate about that.

809
00:33:19,940 --> 00:33:21,380
S2: And Bobby's kind of being shut out, like.

810
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,780
S1: Yeah, Bobby's not getting the awards buzz. People have.

811
00:33:23,780 --> 00:33:25,880
S2: Accepted that maybe Bobby's Oscars run is, like.

812
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:26,420
S4: Over now.

813
00:33:26,420 --> 00:33:28,550
S1: Yeah, it is a stacked category, though. Even when you

814
00:33:28,550 --> 00:33:31,760
S1: exclude Bobby Oppenheimer. Adapted from a book poll, things adapted

815
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,709
S1: from a book, The Zone of Interest adapted from like.

816
00:33:33,710 --> 00:33:38,780
S1: That's a pretty big and meaty category, but, um, I

817
00:33:38,780 --> 00:33:41,420
S1: would love if it won in that. I think probably

818
00:33:41,420 --> 00:33:44,180
S1: Sterling Brown and Jeffrey Wright will also get blasted out

819
00:33:44,180 --> 00:33:46,040
S1: by some of the bigger movies, probably Oppenheimer as well,

820
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,050
S1: but that'd be a fun win for for cord.

821
00:33:48,050 --> 00:33:48,590
S4: Yeah, and it feels.

822
00:33:48,590 --> 00:33:51,710
S2: Like this in terms of the actual level of adaptation,

823
00:33:51,710 --> 00:33:54,860
S2: I think this is actually probably had the most work

824
00:33:54,860 --> 00:33:56,930
S2: done on it compared to what the actual book is.

825
00:33:56,930 --> 00:33:57,470
S4: Yeah, because.

826
00:33:57,470 --> 00:33:59,120
S3: My understanding I haven't read the book, I'd be really

827
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:00,980
S3: keen to now, but my understanding is that the book

828
00:34:00,980 --> 00:34:04,100
S3: includes the fake book within the book, like it's got

829
00:34:04,100 --> 00:34:08,270
S3: a kind of experimental structure, so it's probably less clear cut.

830
00:34:08,270 --> 00:34:10,819
S3: I mean, obviously Oppenheimer played with biography quite a lot

831
00:34:10,820 --> 00:34:13,040
S3: and time and all of that. But yeah, he has

832
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,620
S3: obviously done quite an interesting job to remain true to

833
00:34:15,620 --> 00:34:18,590
S3: the book, but bring it to life on the screen and.

834
00:34:18,590 --> 00:34:22,310
S1: Without sort of delving into the, um, debates around representation

835
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:25,399
S1: that the movie goes into the Oscars list this year

836
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,340
S1: is like it's very white in all categories in terms

837
00:34:28,340 --> 00:34:31,690
S1: of directors best picture. Actors, all that sort of stuff.

838
00:34:31,690 --> 00:34:35,140
S1: So for a story that is tackling like race issues

839
00:34:35,140 --> 00:34:37,840
S1: in such an interesting and smart way with an incredible

840
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,590
S1: like majority black cast and a black first time director,

841
00:34:41,590 --> 00:34:43,870
S1: it would be nice to see something like that. And

842
00:34:43,870 --> 00:34:46,000
S1: I love Nolan. You guys know I love Oppenheimer. I'm

843
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,580
S1: not gonna be mad if he wins 14 categories, but

844
00:34:48,580 --> 00:34:50,980
S1: I'm really into this movie and I think more people

845
00:34:50,980 --> 00:34:52,810
S1: should watch it. It's not getting a release in theaters,

846
00:34:52,810 --> 00:34:55,210
S1: which I find completely bizarre. I have no idea what

847
00:34:55,210 --> 00:34:59,080
S1: Australian distributors are doing. Maybe they think it's too niche,

848
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,850
S1: but like, I would have loved to see this in

849
00:35:00,850 --> 00:35:01,149
S1: a theater.

850
00:35:01,180 --> 00:35:04,270
S2: Yeah, I wondered if it was like too American. Like

851
00:35:04,270 --> 00:35:06,520
S2: it is a very like. I mean, it's such a

852
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,200
S2: it raises so many important issues, but it is like

853
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:13,299
S2: a very American feeling story in terms of like, I

854
00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:15,069
S2: don't think it's the right decision, but I can see

855
00:35:15,070 --> 00:35:17,469
S2: why it was made. Like maybe they just think, oh,

856
00:35:17,469 --> 00:35:18,400
S2: this is not going to connect.

857
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:18,969
S4: Yeah, I find it.

858
00:35:18,969 --> 00:35:20,680
S3: Kind of unbelievable that it's not given some of the

859
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,070
S3: things that do get cinema releases. And I think it

860
00:35:24,070 --> 00:35:26,710
S3: is very watchable. Like even if you're not particularly interested

861
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:28,990
S3: in these subjects, that it's such an enjoyable watch. Like

862
00:35:28,989 --> 00:35:31,420
S3: I would recommend this to most people and actually can't

863
00:35:31,420 --> 00:35:33,640
S3: say the same about Oppenheimer. Like, I think that's a

864
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:34,360
S3: more kind.

865
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,400
S4: Of it's digestible. An hour and 15 minutes.

866
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,570
S1: Like, that's a great time at the movie.

867
00:35:37,570 --> 00:35:38,230
S4: Yeah. It's fun.

868
00:35:38,230 --> 00:35:40,509
S3: You'll laugh if you like the sentimental stuff you've got

869
00:35:40,510 --> 00:35:42,819
S3: that like. And if you like the more intellectual stuff

870
00:35:42,820 --> 00:35:46,090
S3: that's there too. So I would recommend when this hit streamers,

871
00:35:46,090 --> 00:35:47,200
S3: it's definitely like a.

872
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,500
S1: Prime Video from from next Tuesday. The other thing I

873
00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:51,759
S1: wanted to say, look, I don't know if there are

874
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,920
S1: film distributors listening to this. In fact, I do know

875
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,480
S1: there's a lot of them listening to this. I have

876
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,690
S1: a gentle play, so there's an increasing trend. Now, remember,

877
00:35:58,690 --> 00:36:01,270
S1: there was this era where I guess it was like

878
00:36:01,270 --> 00:36:03,310
S1: 4 or 5 years ago, we kind of synced up

879
00:36:03,310 --> 00:36:05,950
S1: with the US, like movies started coming out here at

880
00:36:05,950 --> 00:36:07,960
S1: the same time it started coming out in America. And

881
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,940
S1: that was sort of this way to tackle piracy, because

882
00:36:09,940 --> 00:36:11,830
S1: we had these big six month gaps and people would

883
00:36:11,830 --> 00:36:14,380
S1: just download things and watch them. Now that gap is

884
00:36:14,380 --> 00:36:17,170
S1: started to come back, and you see films that were

885
00:36:17,170 --> 00:36:21,370
S1: released in America a year ago, just hitting Australian cinemas

886
00:36:21,370 --> 00:36:24,670
S1: now or not at all. In the case of American fiction.

887
00:36:24,670 --> 00:36:27,580
S1: And from conversations that we've had with distributors, it seems

888
00:36:27,580 --> 00:36:30,670
S1: to be because they think that Australian audiences might not

889
00:36:30,670 --> 00:36:35,380
S1: want to watch these more intellectual or arty films until

890
00:36:35,380 --> 00:36:37,990
S1: the Oscar nominations come out, or the Oscar wins come out,

891
00:36:37,989 --> 00:36:40,360
S1: so they can market it that way. I can see

892
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,430
S1: the logic to that, but I do think it's misguided.

893
00:36:42,430 --> 00:36:45,190
S1: Like in an era where everyone in Australia is reading

894
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:48,280
S1: New York Times profiles on on big films, they're listening

895
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:51,100
S1: to film podcasts from all around the world. Letterboxd. So

896
00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:54,190
S1: you're on Letterboxd and you're watching everyone log 4 or

897
00:36:54,190 --> 00:36:56,230
S1: 5 stars for a movie that you can't see for

898
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:58,270
S1: months and months and months. That just seems like a

899
00:36:58,270 --> 00:37:01,390
S1: really missed opportunity when it seems like a lot of

900
00:37:01,390 --> 00:37:04,180
S1: younger people getting into film culture and are excited about

901
00:37:04,180 --> 00:37:05,380
S1: going to the movies.

902
00:37:05,380 --> 00:37:07,480
S3: Yeah, I think it's an insane decision to just from

903
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,600
S3: a marketing perspective and a sales perspective, not to use

904
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,780
S3: the buzz generated overseas at the time in terms of

905
00:37:13,780 --> 00:37:18,279
S3: red carpet appearances or interviews with celebrities to get people

906
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,160
S3: into cinemas here, I completely agree. And I mean, it

907
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,930
S3: happens in the book world as well, which I think

908
00:37:22,930 --> 00:37:26,650
S3: is like ludicrous. Like often we will see books come

909
00:37:26,650 --> 00:37:29,080
S3: out months after in Australia, and part of that is

910
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,270
S3: to do with formatting. They'll come out in a hardback

911
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:33,640
S3: version in the US, whereas we don't really do hardbacks here.

912
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,500
S3: But still a lot of big books are coming out

913
00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:38,410
S3: months later. And, you know, by that time everyone's read

914
00:37:38,410 --> 00:37:41,950
S3: the reviews, everyone's read the kind of book club style

915
00:37:41,950 --> 00:37:44,860
S3: take on it and, you know, you just feel behind.

916
00:37:44,860 --> 00:37:47,530
S3: And it does seem insane that in the 21st century,

917
00:37:47,530 --> 00:37:51,009
S3: we're still kind of the the Antipodean, you know.

918
00:37:51,460 --> 00:37:53,920
S4: Colony waiting on the big releases. Yeah.

919
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,690
S1: One of the most egregious examples of this for me

920
00:37:55,690 --> 00:37:57,759
S1: was The Holdovers, which is another movie that I really

921
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,920
S1: love with Paul Giamatti. He's nominated for an Oscar. He

922
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,589
S1: won the globe for Best Actor. That is a Christmas

923
00:38:02,590 --> 00:38:06,100
S1: movie that was released before Christmas in America. It is

924
00:38:06,100 --> 00:38:08,290
S1: set in the lead up to and on Christmas. It

925
00:38:08,290 --> 00:38:10,870
S1: came out in Australia on January 11th. Like, I still

926
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:13,660
S1: love that movie, but that is. That's crazy. Like, that

927
00:38:13,660 --> 00:38:16,720
S1: could have been an amazingly popular movie if marketed as

928
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,339
S1: and like. I don't understand how this I'm not going

929
00:38:18,340 --> 00:38:20,620
S1: to pretend that I know the ins and outs of

930
00:38:20,620 --> 00:38:23,380
S1: film distribution. I know good film. I know what people

931
00:38:23,380 --> 00:38:25,360
S1: want to say. Like like it seems. So, you.

932
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:26,259
S3: Know, a Christmas film.

933
00:38:26,260 --> 00:38:28,300
S4: I don't know, Christmas film. Yeah. Hold up.

934
00:38:28,300 --> 00:38:29,110
S1: This is another great film.

935
00:38:29,110 --> 00:38:29,890
S4: People should get around.

936
00:38:29,890 --> 00:38:32,500
S3: Obviously the one for Thomas, the most egregious example is

937
00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:33,160
S3: the Bear.

938
00:38:33,370 --> 00:38:34,420
S4: Oh yes. Oh yeah.

939
00:38:34,420 --> 00:38:39,040
S2: So we're covering I, I'm sure this season, season three

940
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,850
S2: coming soon. We're going to be day behind or something.

941
00:38:42,850 --> 00:38:43,450
S2: I got read.

942
00:38:43,450 --> 00:38:45,190
S4: You said that last time I asked you any more.

943
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:47,980
S2: Surely not. But yeah, we'll see. It's pretty crazy. Well,

944
00:38:47,980 --> 00:38:50,500
S2: I was curious. Um, obviously there are plenty of great

945
00:38:50,500 --> 00:38:54,010
S2: films about writers this included. Where would you put this

946
00:38:54,010 --> 00:38:56,110
S2: in your great, like, great.

947
00:38:56,110 --> 00:38:56,919
S4: Question films about.

948
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,660
S2: Writers. Where does this rank for you?

949
00:38:58,660 --> 00:38:59,049
S4: Well, I.

950
00:38:59,050 --> 00:39:01,480
S3: Imagine yours is Dead Poets Society, the movie.

951
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:02,230
S4: Tortured Poets.

952
00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:04,299
S3: Yeah, the movie, not the Taylor album. I'm sure you're

953
00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:07,000
S3: gonna love that. Look. That's tough. There's a lot of

954
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,270
S3: good ones. Maybe adaptation would have to be up there

955
00:39:10,270 --> 00:39:11,680
S3: for me. I haven't watched in a while. I'd like

956
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,399
S3: to go back, um, to the Charlie Kaufman film based on, um,

957
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,540
S3: the nonfiction book about, um, a writer who's suffering from

958
00:39:19,540 --> 00:39:22,210
S3: writer's block. It's kind of wild and wacky, and it

959
00:39:22,210 --> 00:39:26,470
S3: just builds up to this insane climax. Again. Love it.

960
00:39:27,010 --> 00:39:29,170
S1: My one is this is a sort of cheating. It's

961
00:39:29,170 --> 00:39:31,150
S1: about a writer, but it's about a. It's. I think

962
00:39:31,150 --> 00:39:32,050
S1: I've talked about it on this blog.

963
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,170
S4: Oh, I know what you're gonna say, Mike. David Fincher's

964
00:39:35,170 --> 00:39:38,140
S4: movie that no one's watched. Mank rules. It's a really

965
00:39:38,140 --> 00:39:38,919
S4: good film.

966
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,790
S1: About writing, the writing process, the politics of writing, like

967
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:45,460
S1: who's involved. And it's also a secret film, as.

968
00:39:45,460 --> 00:39:48,430
S4: I've said before, about communism, which is.

969
00:39:48,430 --> 00:39:49,930
S2: Like everyone, let's just stop talking about.

970
00:39:49,930 --> 00:39:50,319
S4: Mank.

971
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,750
S2: And there's one guy in Australia just watching it like

972
00:39:52,750 --> 00:39:53,440
S2: once a month.

973
00:39:53,710 --> 00:39:54,820
S4: This is why I hope we.

974
00:39:54,820 --> 00:39:56,259
S1: Get to Google a lot every time.

975
00:39:56,410 --> 00:39:57,430
S4: Every time you mention it.

976
00:39:58,330 --> 00:40:02,620
S2: Uh, mine is Fear and Loathing. Yeah, okay. A classic, uh,

977
00:40:02,620 --> 00:40:04,180
S2: I think I went through a big kind of Hunter

978
00:40:04,180 --> 00:40:04,989
S2: s Thompson stage.

979
00:40:05,020 --> 00:40:06,009
S4: It does not surprise me.

980
00:40:06,010 --> 00:40:07,060
S3: You thought you were just.

981
00:40:07,060 --> 00:40:08,680
S2: I thought I was gonna do gonzo journalism.

982
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:09,880
S3: Generation gone mad.

983
00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:11,439
S2: Now I'm on the phone to Travis Kelce. Dad.

984
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,360
S1: So that's Gonzo, bro. What do you think of the adrenaline.

985
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,529
S1: Why do you think Hunter S Thompson to be doing

986
00:40:14,530 --> 00:40:15,070
S1: right now.

987
00:40:15,070 --> 00:40:15,760
S2: He'd probably be like.

988
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,230
S4: Over there in.

989
00:40:17,380 --> 00:40:19,030
S2: At the Super Bowl. So I actually think I should

990
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:20,920
S2: probably have gone to the Super Bowl. Uh, but yeah,

991
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,140
S2: I thought like it's a classic and I mean, Johnny

992
00:40:23,140 --> 00:40:27,489
S2: Depp before he was a bit canceled. But yeah, great film,

993
00:40:27,580 --> 00:40:29,080
S2: great book, and it's probably my favorite.

994
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,400
S1: Before he was a bit canceled.

995
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,530
S4: That's one way to put it. Just a bit.

996
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:36,040
S1: Yeah. Um, let's, let's, uh, let's leave, uh, American fiction

997
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:41,620
S1: chat there. Uh, out next Tuesday, the 27th on Prime Video.

998
00:40:41,830 --> 00:40:45,340
S1: All right, on to impress your friends. I, I wanted

999
00:40:45,340 --> 00:40:47,590
S1: to start this one by doing a bit of, like,

1000
00:40:47,590 --> 00:40:52,000
S1: reflection on previous categories because I've, I've consumed a couple

1001
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,969
S1: of things. Thomas. You recommend it? I've got I've got

1002
00:40:54,969 --> 00:40:56,799
S1: a praise for you and I've got criticism for you.

1003
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:57,340
S4: Okay. Here's a.

1004
00:40:57,340 --> 00:40:58,120
S1: Book smell. I don't have.

1005
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,190
S4: Time. Okay. Well.

1006
00:41:00,460 --> 00:41:03,130
S1: I gave one day ago. It's cool. Not for me.

1007
00:41:03,370 --> 00:41:04,270
S2: I mean, not surprised.

1008
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:07,180
S1: But I really didn't like it.

1009
00:41:07,180 --> 00:41:09,400
S4: Really, really didn't like it. It's so funny. And in fact.

1010
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,299
S1: It got messages from from people saying, please tell Thomas

1011
00:41:13,300 --> 00:41:15,640
S1: like that. He needs to recommend better stuff that that

1012
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,520
S1: is mid. Wow. But I'm starting with the negative to

1013
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,520
S1: give you huge credit on Iraq that I was not across.

1014
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,109
S1: And it is one of the best things I've seen

1015
00:41:23,110 --> 00:41:25,690
S1: in a while. The Vince Staples Show, which is last week,

1016
00:41:25,690 --> 00:41:27,670
S1: which thank you for bringing that into my life. It

1017
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:30,580
S1: is really funny. It is really smart. You mentioned it

1018
00:41:30,580 --> 00:41:34,060
S1: sort of like Atlanta. It has a lot of similar vibes,

1019
00:41:34,060 --> 00:41:36,160
S1: so particularly the surreal nature of the show, but it

1020
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,890
S1: is totally its own thing as well. It's on Netflix,

1021
00:41:38,890 --> 00:41:40,959
S1: everyone's got Netflix, like could not recommend it more.

1022
00:41:41,170 --> 00:41:41,680
S4: And it's only.

1023
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,990
S3: Five. They're only about 20 minutes or so. I watched

1024
00:41:43,989 --> 00:41:45,940
S3: it after you recommended it as well.

1025
00:41:45,940 --> 00:41:47,470
S2: I feel like it's doing really well now. I mean,

1026
00:41:47,469 --> 00:41:49,690
S2: obviously not off the back of my recommendation. No, but

1027
00:41:49,870 --> 00:41:51,489
S2: those people have gone and checked it out, which probably

1028
00:41:51,489 --> 00:41:53,500
S2: like wouldn't have. And everyone seems to be like really,

1029
00:41:53,500 --> 00:41:54,130
S2: really enjoying it.

1030
00:41:54,250 --> 00:41:55,570
S3: Yeah, I think it's got kind of word of mouth

1031
00:41:55,570 --> 00:41:57,490
S3: buzz because you didn't have a lot coming out about it,

1032
00:41:57,489 --> 00:41:59,080
S3: and it was a lot of marketing hitting your home

1033
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,210
S3: screen or on Netflix. So yeah, I think that was

1034
00:42:01,210 --> 00:42:02,290
S3: a well done Thomas.

1035
00:42:02,290 --> 00:42:02,980
S4: Yeah, perfect.

1036
00:42:02,980 --> 00:42:06,370
S1: In terms of my recommendation for the week, I thought

1037
00:42:06,370 --> 00:42:08,830
S1: given the conversation we had about Taylor and Australian music,

1038
00:42:08,830 --> 00:42:10,180
S1: it's something I want to do. More is like talk

1039
00:42:10,180 --> 00:42:13,180
S1: about what is happening in Australia, as well as focusing

1040
00:42:13,180 --> 00:42:16,090
S1: on the big stuff coming out from overseas. I wanted

1041
00:42:16,090 --> 00:42:19,180
S1: to recommend a new album by middle kids. It's called

1042
00:42:19,180 --> 00:42:22,810
S1: Faith Crisis Part one. There are three pieces out of Sydney.

1043
00:42:22,810 --> 00:42:25,840
S1: This is their third album. It's produced by Jonathan Gilmour,

1044
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:30,069
S1: who's worked recently with the 1975 and Carly Rae Jepsen.

1045
00:42:30,310 --> 00:42:33,459
S1: It's a Very Like Ecstasy essential piece of work. It's

1046
00:42:33,460 --> 00:42:35,860
S1: an alt rock kind of indie rock thing. In terms

1047
00:42:35,860 --> 00:42:39,160
S1: of the lyrical content that the title Faith crisis Part one,

1048
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,739
S1: so it gives that away. I think if you are

1049
00:42:41,739 --> 00:42:44,920
S1: a millennial feeling like everything's falling apart and is broken,

1050
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,350
S1: which I think is most millennials, you will resonate with

1051
00:42:47,350 --> 00:42:50,770
S1: the themes of this album. But that said, it's also

1052
00:42:50,770 --> 00:42:53,470
S1: very fun and melodic and it's a great album to like,

1053
00:42:53,469 --> 00:42:55,690
S1: listen to and get into what they're talking about. It's

1054
00:42:55,690 --> 00:42:58,030
S1: a great album to play at a party, at a barbecue,

1055
00:42:58,060 --> 00:43:00,310
S1: just to have on there touring Australia. And I think

1056
00:43:00,310 --> 00:43:03,279
S1: the States, I'm really excited to see them live. This

1057
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,080
S1: is a really great record, and I say that as

1058
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,500
S1: someone who wasn't necessarily a middle kid's head just came

1059
00:43:08,500 --> 00:43:09,880
S1: across my desk and I thought it was really good.

1060
00:43:10,090 --> 00:43:11,649
S3: Yeah, great. I'm gonna give that a go. And now

1061
00:43:11,650 --> 00:43:14,770
S3: my personal ambition is to recommend you something that you

1062
00:43:14,770 --> 00:43:17,290
S3: will actually engage with and then enjoy. So I've got

1063
00:43:17,290 --> 00:43:20,650
S3: one that has your name all over it. Oscar was

1064
00:43:20,650 --> 00:43:22,540
S3: by The New Yorker writer Michael Schulman.

1065
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,190
S1: You're telling me this like, I didn't read this.

1066
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,920
S4: Whole months ago? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we had a long

1067
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:32,860
S4: chat about it on the pod. Uh, no other pod together. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1068
00:43:34,300 --> 00:43:36,430
S4: I at least one thing.

1069
00:43:37,989 --> 00:43:39,790
S3: At least I know Mike. It. Yeah.

1070
00:43:40,090 --> 00:43:43,330
S4: No good recommendation. Good recommendation. Because I can see.

1071
00:43:43,330 --> 00:43:44,259
S2: Your screen.

1072
00:43:44,260 --> 00:43:46,750
S4: As you look into it as you were.

1073
00:43:46,750 --> 00:43:48,370
S2: Preparing to, you'd be like, well, wait till you get.

1074
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:50,649
S4: This one. I was like.

1075
00:43:50,650 --> 00:43:52,569
S3: I've got it. I've got the one you're gonna like.

1076
00:43:52,570 --> 00:43:52,930
S3: When I was.

1077
00:43:52,930 --> 00:43:55,570
S1: In LA, I think last year or whenever it was, uh,

1078
00:43:55,570 --> 00:43:57,370
S1: I heard an interview with him and I'm like, I

1079
00:43:57,370 --> 00:43:58,870
S1: was at the Oscars Museum, and I'm like, this would

1080
00:43:58,870 --> 00:44:00,339
S1: be a fun book to read. It's a great.

1081
00:44:00,340 --> 00:44:01,540
S4: Book. It is a great book.

1082
00:44:01,540 --> 00:44:03,129
S3: Well, let me tell the people anyway, you can.

1083
00:44:03,219 --> 00:44:04,120
S4: I can't wait for next week when.

1084
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:04,510
S2: You recommend.

1085
00:44:04,510 --> 00:44:08,860
S4: Succession. Let me know. Will's on that pod.

1086
00:44:08,860 --> 00:44:09,640
S1: Though, wasn't you? Yeah.

1087
00:44:10,270 --> 00:44:14,200
S3: I know that was Meg. Um, let me tell the people. Anyway,

1088
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,900
S3: ahead of the Oscars. Great read. Write. Really fun history

1089
00:44:16,900 --> 00:44:19,989
S3: of the Academy Awards. It's a really interesting way to write. Like,

1090
00:44:19,989 --> 00:44:22,360
S3: it's not just kind of A to Z. He dives

1091
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:26,380
S3: into certain moments, speeches, scandals. So you get an overview

1092
00:44:26,380 --> 00:44:27,879
S3: of the world at the time. I guess the whole

1093
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,580
S3: point is that the Oscars is a reflection of. Not

1094
00:44:30,580 --> 00:44:33,340
S3: only Hollywood, but it's always been completely crazy.

1095
00:44:33,340 --> 00:44:35,259
S1: If you're just getting into it now, you're like, well,

1096
00:44:35,260 --> 00:44:37,840
S1: the Oscars are going crazy. It's like they've always been weird.

1097
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:38,500
S4: It's fun right?

1098
00:44:38,590 --> 00:44:42,430
S3: Politics, power. Celebrity. Money. Like, what more could you want?

1099
00:44:42,460 --> 00:44:44,350
S3: In fact, you couldn't want any more, which is why

1100
00:44:44,380 --> 00:44:45,759
S3: you've already consumed.

1101
00:44:45,790 --> 00:44:47,650
S1: Is this actually is this actually your. This is not

1102
00:44:47,650 --> 00:44:49,300
S1: even your recommendation. You're just doing this off the top

1103
00:44:49,300 --> 00:44:49,779
S1: of the dome.

1104
00:44:49,780 --> 00:44:52,180
S3: No, I adjusted, I was quick, I can think of

1105
00:44:52,180 --> 00:44:54,250
S3: my feet. So, um, yeah, it wasn't my.

1106
00:44:54,250 --> 00:44:55,120
S4: Recommendation, but I.

1107
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:56,680
S1: Had I had another little one, actually, while we're talking

1108
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,259
S1: about books and things. So, uh, a friend of the pod,

1109
00:44:59,260 --> 00:45:02,350
S1: Chad D'Souza's, written this amazing article in The Face magazine,

1110
00:45:02,350 --> 00:45:05,950
S1: which is a British mag about Charli XCX. I interviewed her,

1111
00:45:05,950 --> 00:45:07,750
S1: spent a bit of time with her. Listen to the

1112
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:10,360
S1: new record. It's a sixth one. It doesn't have a

1113
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,930
S1: name yet. It's just called XC six. I love Charlie,

1114
00:45:13,930 --> 00:45:15,969
S1: I love shod. There's really no one else I think

1115
00:45:15,969 --> 00:45:21,399
S1: I'd want to read. Uh, on Charli other than shod, um,

1116
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,009
S1: she talks about what it is like to make art.

1117
00:45:24,010 --> 00:45:27,310
S1: Music in this current environment where you're hyper aware of

1118
00:45:27,310 --> 00:45:30,040
S1: the criticism and the feedback and how that has changed,

1119
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,670
S1: not changed her process. Great story, great picks for it

1120
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:35,799
S1: as well that the Daily Mail ripped off and made

1121
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,959
S1: seem really horny and weird. But it's a very cool

1122
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,450
S1: photoshoot and a very cool article that is, I think,

1123
00:45:40,450 --> 00:45:41,140
S1: free to read.

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00:45:41,140 --> 00:45:41,950
S4: Yeah, give it a go.

1125
00:45:41,950 --> 00:45:43,029
S3: Oh great, I will.

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00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:45,370
S1: Uh, Thomas, that brings us to you. Yes.

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00:45:45,370 --> 00:45:48,430
S2: Okay, cool. Uh, so this one, I actually, you know,

1128
00:45:48,430 --> 00:45:51,160
S2: just made a joke about succession, but this one, I

1129
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,319
S2: caught my eye after it was described as succession in

1130
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,290
S2: a mosque. This is House of God, starting at ABC

1131
00:45:56,380 --> 00:45:56,799
S2: for me.

1132
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:57,310
S4: Yeah.

1133
00:45:57,310 --> 00:45:59,410
S1: He's been blowing up my emails about this. I gotta

1134
00:45:59,410 --> 00:46:00,340
S1: get around this show.

1135
00:46:00,340 --> 00:46:02,560
S2: Well, man, I'm bringing it to you here.

1136
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,479
S1: You're trying to out Oscar me? You're trying to out.

1137
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,210
S4: Brown me right now. Out. Muslim. Me. What's going on?

1138
00:46:07,390 --> 00:46:10,000
S4: I just think out of mosques, bro. Yeah, I don't

1139
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,110
S4: know if you know, but.

1140
00:46:11,110 --> 00:46:13,689
S2: Yeah. So basically this starts this Sunday actually on ABC.

1141
00:46:13,690 --> 00:46:15,969
S2: And seriously though, like, that was like, you know, they're

1142
00:46:15,969 --> 00:46:17,710
S2: always like, if you love this, you love this. But

1143
00:46:17,710 --> 00:46:19,990
S2: that did really hook me in. And the first episode

1144
00:46:19,989 --> 00:46:22,750
S2: is amazing. Like we basically you open on this mosque

1145
00:46:22,750 --> 00:46:25,360
S2: in Western Sydney and you've got like all these different

1146
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,150
S2: clerics and like, pitching themselves to be the new head

1147
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:31,360
S2: of the mosque. Um, eventually the victor is Sheikh Mohammed,

1148
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,200
S2: played by Kamal El Basha. And like it literally does

1149
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,870
S2: feel like the power, the power struggle is so familiar.

1150
00:46:37,870 --> 00:46:40,600
S2: And it basically tells you how the new cleric, you know,

1151
00:46:40,930 --> 00:46:43,719
S2: impacts the society and his family. And it's got these

1152
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,969
S2: incredible characters. And, you know, it's obviously amazing to see

1153
00:46:45,969 --> 00:46:48,100
S2: Western Sydney on screen and like, represented by people who

1154
00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:50,979
S2: actually live there. Uh, the writing is great. Um, yeah.

1155
00:46:50,980 --> 00:46:53,170
S2: I think it's like really funny, really clever and a

1156
00:46:53,170 --> 00:46:54,969
S2: show that we don't see enough of. So yeah, I was,

1157
00:46:54,969 --> 00:46:57,100
S2: I was hooked in, um, and if you're into something

1158
00:46:57,100 --> 00:46:59,380
S2: like that, that's on ABC. It's a six parter. Starts

1159
00:46:59,380 --> 00:47:00,009
S2: on Sunday.

1160
00:47:00,010 --> 00:47:02,200
S1: That's actually fairly bad. I haven't seen it yet. I've

1161
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,080
S1: been offered screenings through so many different people, and they're like,

1162
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:06,609
S1: we'd love you to watch this and tell us what

1163
00:47:06,610 --> 00:47:09,040
S1: you think is the only Muslim who talks about this stuff.

1164
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,620
S2: And you're like, I'll get my white colleague Thomas Cross.

1165
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:14,410
S1: Very American fiction thing going.

1166
00:47:14,410 --> 00:47:15,580
S4: On right now.

1167
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,710
S1: Um, no, I'm excited about that. It's a great shout.

1168
00:47:17,710 --> 00:47:19,450
S1: All right. So how's the God will be on my

1169
00:47:19,450 --> 00:47:22,120
S1: weekend watch list? You guys, of course, have got your

1170
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,450
S1: exciting Taylor shows coming up. Have a great time.

1171
00:47:25,630 --> 00:47:27,549
S2: At the house of mother. I believe they're calling it,

1172
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:29,380
S2: which is also known as a cool.

1173
00:47:29,380 --> 00:47:30,759
S1: We go to the western suburbs.

1174
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:31,660
S4: Yeah, correct. Yeah.

1175
00:47:31,780 --> 00:47:34,239
S2: I must say, just just just quietly. I went to

1176
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,669
S2: blink one night two last Friday. And like, as we

1177
00:47:36,670 --> 00:47:38,439
S2: all know, anyone that's ever been to a show in Sydney,

1178
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,350
S2: getting home from Olympic Park is a fucking nightmare. So

1179
00:47:41,350 --> 00:47:44,260
S2: I just like I'm preparing myself mentally for this weekend.

1180
00:47:44,260 --> 00:47:46,900
S2: When both Blink and Taylor are playing on Friday night,

1181
00:47:46,900 --> 00:47:47,380
S2: it's going to be the.

1182
00:47:47,380 --> 00:47:49,839
S1: Government is warning there's gonna be like over 100,000 people there.

1183
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,660
S1: You guys might not survive. This could be quite hectic.

1184
00:47:52,660 --> 00:47:54,520
S2: Also, spare a thought for Goo Goo Dolls and Matchbox

1185
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:55,600
S2: 20 that played last night in.

1186
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,190
S4: Sydney so no one cares.

1187
00:47:57,190 --> 00:48:00,010
S1: Yeah. Um. Well, have a great. Have a great weekend

1188
00:48:00,010 --> 00:48:01,150
S1: at Taylor, folks.

1189
00:48:01,150 --> 00:48:03,190
S3: Thank you. Will be practicing out Claps.

1190
00:48:03,190 --> 00:48:03,969
S2: Yes, my double clap.

1191
00:48:03,969 --> 00:48:04,690
S4: Here. I hope you.

1192
00:48:04,690 --> 00:48:06,130
S1: Get the hat from 22.

1193
00:48:07,690 --> 00:48:08,950
S3: Do you know what that means? Yeah.

1194
00:48:16,540 --> 00:48:19,930
S1: This episode of The Drop was produced by Ruby Schwartz.

1195
00:48:20,020 --> 00:48:23,110
S1: If you enjoyed listening to today's episode of The Drop,

1196
00:48:23,110 --> 00:48:25,509
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1197
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:28,210
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1198
00:48:28,210 --> 00:48:31,390
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S1: next week!