WEBVTT - 'You thought the lunch guests would die’ 0:00:02.240 --> 0:00:03.520 Nine podcasts. 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:08.280 Under cross examination, Aaron Patterson is asked whether she thought 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:11.000 she would never have to account for a lie about 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:14.239 having cancer because she thought the lunch guests would die, 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:16.960 to which she replied, that's not true. 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:22.119 Victoria's mushroom mystery, the mushroom lunch that claimed three lives 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:25.239 an Australian family's meal is now the center of a 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:29.760 homicide investigation. For bizarre tragedy now grabbing global headlines, Aaron 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:33.480 Patterson's alleged victims died after eating a family lunch she'd 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:34.800 serve them at her home. 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:38.599 I cannot think of another investigation that has generated this 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:41.479 level of media and public interest. 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:44.000 Four of the guests of that lunch were much loved 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:45.280 members of this church. 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:47.320 Only one will ever return. 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:52.680 People are feeling very heavy with having lost such wonderful people. 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:57.400 Today, Aaron Patterson remained here inside her home. She's continued 0:00:57.440 --> 0:00:58.920 to plead her innocence. 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:02.080 In a court room and country. 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:02.680 Victoria. 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:06.919 Aaron Patterson is on trial accused of using deathcat mushrooms 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:09.840 to kill She's pleaded not guilty to murdering three of 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:12.400 her former in laws and attempting to kill a fourth. 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:14.000 The town's church pastor. 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:17.200 It's up to the jurors to decide what happened when 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:21.440 Patterson's loved ones sat down to eat. Aaron Patterson has 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:24.720 begun her cross examination on the witness stand, and she's 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:30.679 been taken through a number of different topics, particularly around cancer, mushrooms, 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:33.679 what her intentions were with this lunch, and why she 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:37.040 invited people to her home. The cross examination began following 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:41.040 two full days of evidence where Aaron Patterson was speaking 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:44.680 with her defense barrister Colin Mandy in the examination in chief, 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:47.680 and it has now turned to the Crown prosecutor, the 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:51.720 net Rogers sc to lead off these questions. And she 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:55.440 really fired a lot of these quite quickly, between different 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:58.040 topics and different times and dates we've seen. 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:02.560 The net Rogers was ready and raring to go this morning. 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:05.640 She rose to her feet and stood behind that left 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:08.440 turn faster than I think I've ever seen anybody. 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:10.960 She had in her hands a number. 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:14.440 Of books and folders and pens and pencils and all 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:16.440 of these types of things when she came into the court, 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:18.040 sitting them down in front of her, and as soon 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:19.880 as she rose to her feet, she took with her 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:23.680 penny one blue binder, and inside that binder, as she 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:26.280 opened it up, we could see pages and pages of 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:29.079 pages in there which were the notes that she was 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:31.919 using to help direct her questioning of the accused woman. 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:34.840 And one of the major topics we heard about today 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:38.720 during that cross examination was cancer. This is something that 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:43.000 Nannette asked question after question after question about for various 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:43.720 different reasons. 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.040 She was trying to track what she said were. 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:49.760 A string of lies that Aaron Patterson told before, during, 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:53.200 and after the lunch when it came to speaking and 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:56.920 having conversations with her friends and family. And one of 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.080 the phrases that she used when she was asking Aaron 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:03.560 Patterson about this was this cancer lie, this alleged ploy 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:07.040 to bring the guests together on that lunch to tell 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:09.000 them that she had been diagnosed with cancer. 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:10.680 Penny, But that's not what she said. Happened. 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.880 Aaron Patterson said, something very very different actually happened. 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:17.520 Yeah, So, through multiple parts of this questioning, Aaron Patterson 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:20.480 denied that she had told her lunch guest that she'd 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:23.720 been diagnosed with cancer. That was the denial she kept 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:26.320 coming back to, saying, that's incorrect, that's untrue. 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:27.320 When it was put to her. 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:31.160 She was asked about in Ian Wilkinson's evidence that he 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:35.240 had said that she had mentioned a cancer diagnosis at 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:37.800 this lunch, that she'd talked about a type of scan 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:41.560 that may have picked up a tumor, and she rebutted that, 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:44.760 saying that no, she had not told these lunch guests 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:46.400 she had been diagnosed with cancer. 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:48.720 What she did agree to was she. 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:52.320 Wanted the lunch guests to believe that she was going 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:56.560 to have some cancer treatment. Now this as part of 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:58.320 this evidence, she was taken back and forth to the 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:01.840 different text messages she was sending members of the family 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:04.280 at different times, and different things she was saying about 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.440 her health and tests she was undergoing. 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:10.240 She was explaining that she quite enjoyed the love and 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:14.640 care that she felt from her family. She really denied 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:16.720 that at that lunch she sat them down for one 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:19.800 reason to tell them that there was cancer, but that 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:22.240 there was any really real discussion at all about how 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:24.200 to prep the kids to break the. 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:24.760 News to them. 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:28.279 And we also heard that Simon Patterson during his evidence 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:31.080 that was something else that was put to the accused today. 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:35.200 In his testimony, he recalled that his father Don Patterson, 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:37.800 the day after the lunch had said to him, yes, 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:41.120 while we were there, there was this conversation about cancer, 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:45.160 possible chemotherapy, possible surgery, and also. 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:46.480 Plans to tell the children. 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:48.960 But when both of those witness testimonies were put to 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:50.240 the accused, she said, no. 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.279 That was not her recollection of the conversations at the. 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:55.280 Lunch, and she was asked about conversations that she had 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:58.719 with a child protection worker, Katrina Cripps as well, and 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:01.040 when she was asked around where that she'd been, saying 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:05.000 that she might have needed some advice on breaking something 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:08.400 to her children, she said that, well, no, that wasn't 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:11.279 the case. And then there was a part of the 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:15.920 questioning when Nannette Rodgers took Aaron Patterson to what were 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:19.800 described as thumbnails from internet searchers. That's how Aaron Patterson 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:23.680 told them, in her words, some snapshots or screenshots is 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.440 what Annannette Rodgers was saying. They were that had been 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:30.600 found on a device belonging to Aaron Patterson. And will 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:33.800 take you through a little bit of this evidence as 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:36.440 it was heard in the courtroom. This is Annette Rodgers 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.200 sc while questioning Aaron Patterson, the accused. 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:40.920 It's no one's real voice. 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.480 This would allow you to tell a more convincing lie 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:44.520 about having cancer. 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:48.080 I mean, theoretically that's true, but that's not what I did. 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:50.760 And you did this in your attempt to present to 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:54.360 your parents in law and Heather Wilkinson and Ian Wilkinson 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:58.880 that you had been medically diagnosed with cancer. Correct or incorrect? 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:00.599 Can you ask that again please? 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:04.120 You sought out this information from the Internet for the 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:08.440 purpose of educating yourself about ovarian and brain cancer symptoms. 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:11.279 I did do that at one point. 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:15.480 Yes, yes, my proposition there's several, but the first is 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.920 that would allow you to tell a more convincing lie 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:21.760 about having cancer, correct or incorrect. 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:23.720 That was not why I did it. 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:25.240 Why did you do it? 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.719 Because I was concerned that I had a varying cancer. 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:31.440 I was concerned that I had something wrong with my brain. 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:35.280 I suggest that you were educating yourself in an attempt 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:38.159 to present to your parents in law and Heather and 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:42.440 Ian Wilkinson that you had been medically diagnosed with cancer. No, 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:46.280 that's not correct, and you pretended to have a legitimate 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:49.120 reason to speak with them when you organized and held 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:52.000 the lunch at your house on twenty nine July twenty 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:52.600 twenty three. 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.440 I didn't give them any reason when I invited them. 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:57.080 I just invited them. 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:00.440 Detective Epping still gave evidence and produced the diary of 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:03.760 Gail Patterson. Can I take you to that please? You 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:05.400 remember him giving that evidence? 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:06.600 I do. 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:09.479 Do you remember the exhibit? I do so. 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:13.320 On Wednesday, twenty eight June twenty twenty three, the entry 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:16.160 appears Aaron Saint Vincent's. 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:17.360 Arm lump it does? 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:20.240 Do you agree that the reference in this diary entry 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:23.520 is a reference to you? It is you told at 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:27.880 least Gail Patterson sometime before twenty eight June twenty twenty three, 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:31.080 that you had a lump in your elbow correct, correct, 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:33.880 And that you had to go to Saint Vincent's Hospital 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:37.840 for an appointment on the twenty eighth of June twenty 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:38.400 twenty three. 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:38.840 Correct. 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:42.480 Correct, And by the use of the phrase Saint Vincent's 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:46.080 you intended to convey Saint Vincent's Hospital in Melbourne. 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:46.480 Correct. 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:50.160 Yes, because there is no Saint Vincent's in Crumborough or 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:50.920 leam Gatha. 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:51.520 Is there. 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:52.480 No, there's not. 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:54.160 You did not have. 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:56.440 A lump in your elbow on the twenty eighth of 0:07:56.520 --> 0:08:00.200 June twenty twenty three, that's true. You did not have 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:03.560 an appointment at Saint Vincent's Hospital on twenty eight June 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:06.000 twenty twenty three, did you correct? 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:07.240 No, I didn't. 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:11.400 When I asked about whether she had used a potential 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:15.040 cancer diagnosis or health concerns to invite these people to 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.200 her home, Aaron Patterson said no, that that's not the 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:19.640 reason that she'd asked them to come over, and she 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:22.680 disputed that that is the reason she had told Katrina 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.760 Cripps that this lunch had been held, that child protection worker. 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:26.600 Yeah. 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:30.200 And Nanette Rogers when she was continuing to press Aaron 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:33.720 Patterson really hard on this lie, this cancer con this 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:36.320 cancer lie. Well, you heard the word I suggest a 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:40.240 lot today and a lot of Aaron Patterson's responses were yes, no, disagree, 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:42.560 don't agree, and other times she would give longer responses, 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:45.640 But in this particular one, Aette Rogers said that, you know, 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:48.240 I suggest to you you never thought that this account, 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:52.560 this lie about having cancer, would ever need to come out, 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:54.680 because you thought all the lunch guests would die. 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:56.800 We'll hear a little bit of that evidence as it 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.960 was presented in the courtroom. This is again Aaron Patterson 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:01.920 and Anette rogers through the evidence. 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:05.120 So to sum up in relation to your so called 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:09.240 cancer diagnosis, your claim to various people that you had 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:13.600 been diagnosed with cancer before the lunch was deliberately false. 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:17.520 Yes or no, I didn't make that claim. 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:20.400 You told this lie. I suggest as part of your 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:23.320 efforts to get the lunch guests and Simon to attend 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:25.199 your lunch correct or incorrect? 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:26.200 Incorrect? 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:29.720 And I suggest to explain why the children were not present. 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:31.280 Correct or incorrect? 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:32.880 Incorrect? 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:34.520 You knew you. 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:38.680 Didn't have cancer, however, correct, that's true, but you needed, 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.280 I suggest, to appear to have a good reason to 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:44.440 invite your guests to lunch at your house, because it 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:46.719 was so out of the ordinary for you to do this. 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:48.600 Agree or disagree? 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:49.760 Disagree? 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:51.800 Do you say that it was ordinary for you to 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:53.520 have people over to your house for lunch? 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:56.800 No, it wasn't ordinary, and. 0:09:56.679 --> 0:10:00.360 It certainly wasn't ordinary to invite Ian and Hea. 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:00.640 That was it. 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:01.520 That's true. 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:03.680 They hadn't been for lunch at my house before. 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.160 I suggest that you never thought you would have to 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:10.040 account for this lie about having cancer because you thought 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:13.839 that the lunch guests would die. That's not true, and 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:17.920 your lie would never be found out correct or incorrect. 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:19.079 That's not true now. 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:22.880 Aaron Patterson also was asked a number of times, sort 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:26.280 of a number of different ways about mushrooms and particularly 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:29.520 her dehydrator and how she had used that dehydrator to 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:33.120 dehydrate mushrooms, different things that she had told different people 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:35.720 over the few months in the lead up to this 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:38.800 lunch and previously. But she was also asked about what 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:42.679 she had told the police in relation to this particular dehydrator. 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:43.880 As part of this. 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:47.480 The jury were taken through images again more photographs that 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:49.360 we have seen earlier on in the trial, and they 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:52.280 were of the dehydrator. We saw the dehydrator in various 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.520 different locations. One was a photograph that the accused agreed 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:57.960 she had taken of the dehydrator after she purchased it 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:01.520 in April twenty twenty three. Does were of the dehydrata 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:04.480 in the tip. Aaron Patterson admits that the day after 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:07.320 she was released from hospital in August twenty twenty three, 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:09.240 she drove to the tip and she got rid of it, 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:12.240 and she was explaining that because she agreed that she lied. 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:15.079 She agreed that she lied to the police. She agreed 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:17.600 that she was afraid that she would be held responsible 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:20.520 when she was disposing of this evidence. And she also 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:24.600 agreed with Annette Roger's assertions that her fingerprints had been 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:27.839 found on the dehydrator as well. She didn't deny any 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:30.760 of that, but she did deny knowing that any deathcat 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:34.400 mushrooms could have been prepared in that dehydrator. And she 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:37.880 also said that no stag did she ever intend to pick, dry, 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:41.120 or cook and serve poisonous mushrooms to her lunch guests 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:42.160 using that dehydrata. 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:44.400 Yeah, we'll take you again to a little bit of 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:46.080 this evidence now in the lead up to what the 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:48.760 listeners are about to hear. As you heard, Aaron Patterson 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.480 does admit it's an agreed fact in this case that 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:56.160 the senior fingerprint expert found that there were three of 0:11:56.200 --> 0:12:00.079 her fingerprints, her index, middle and ring fingerprints on the 0:11:59.880 --> 0:12:03.760 back of this dehydrator once it was retrieved from the tip. 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:06.199 So both sides of the bar table agree on that. 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.680 But as Ahnett Rodgers was taking Aaron Patterson through this 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:13.240 particular part of the questioning, she'd sort of said to her, 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:15.480 do you agree that this is your dehydrator? And the 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:18.280 photos taken from the tip and Aaron Patterson said, well 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:20.840 that she sort of assumed that it was and asked 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:24.200 why that was by Nanette Rogers. Aaron Patterson said, well, 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:27.000 if someone else could have bought a dehydraderl on too, 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:30.600 I don't know that necessarily, And when that's when Annett Rodgers. 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:32.520 Really took her back too. Well, you have. 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:34.880 Agreed, haven't you, to the fact that your fingerprints are 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:37.400 on this particular dehydrator. Let's hear a little bit more 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:39.720 of what the court heard, not just in relation to 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:43.200 the fingerprints, but the dehydrator itself as part of this 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:44.960 police interview and other things. 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:47.439 Aaron Patterson says, she told the police. 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:51.560 You agree that they were your fingerprints found on your dehydrator. 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:52.199 Correct. 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:56.160 You took the dehydrator to the transfer station because you'd 0:12:56.200 --> 0:13:00.320 been using it to dehydrate mushrooms, hadn't you? Yes, And 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:04.079 not just any old mushrooms, death cat mushrooms in fact, correct. 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:05.720 I didn't know that i'd done. 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:08.960 That, and you knew that they were death cat mushrooms 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:10.400 that you had been dehydrating. 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:10.959 Correct. 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:13.920 I didn't know that, and you were very keen to 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:17.120 dispose of any evidence which might connect you with the 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:18.800 possession of death cat mushrooms. 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.600 No, I didn't know they'd been in it. 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.480 That's why you rushed out the day after your release 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:26.520 from Munash to get rid of the evidence. 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:26.959 Correct. 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.800 No, you lied to police about never owning a dehydrator 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:34.600 because you knew you had used the dehydrator to prepare 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:36.240 death cap mushrooms to include in. 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:37.440 The lunch No. 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:38.360 I didn't know that. 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:41.760 You lied because you knew if you'd told the police 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:45.040 the truth, it would implicate you in the deliberate poisoning 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:46.600 of your four lunch guests. 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:47.200 Correct. 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.160 No, No, it's not true. 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:52.960 Now I want to go to the lie you told 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:58.720 police about never dehydrating food Exhibit sixty three. Please in 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.480 the record of interview that you participated in on the 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:05.520 fifth of August, Question one six'. One all, right do 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.960 you preserve foods or anything like? That, no have you 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:13.200 ever dehydrated food or? Anything, no that was a lie 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:16.000 that you told police about never dehydrating. 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:16.360 Food. 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:20.560 Correct, correct, because of, course you had posted messages in 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:21.600 your chat group. 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:21.960 Earlier in the. 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:25.240 Year, CORRECT i did and told your friends that you 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:26.400 had been dehydrating. 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:27.480 Mushrooms. Correct. 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:32.120 Correct the conversations With facebook friends were brought, up as 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:34.000 we've mentioned a number of times in this part of 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:36.960 the cross, examination and so was the evidence of some 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:40.200 of the women who've told the court they became friends 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:43.000 With Aaron patterson through a true Crime facebook group and 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:46.480 then would have personal chats about various elements of their. 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:51.040 Lives and it was mentioned through this cross examination Particularly 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:54.080 Aaron patterson was taken to what she had said to 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:57.440 Her facebook friends regarding her use of her, dehydrator but 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:01.800 also how she had been using that with the mushrooms 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:04.080 when it came to preparing food for her. 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:07.600 Children, yeah mushrooms was another main topic of today in 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:10.520 the line of questioning that we, heard And Nanette rogers 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:14.800 was asking whether or Not Aaron patterson had used mushrooms 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:16.760 previously in cooked them in. 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:18.240 Food she, said, yes she. 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:21.000 Had she agreed that, yes she'd use them before in 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.720 meals such as muffins for her. Children and that's When 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.680 nannette leaned into that little bit and, said, okay, WELL 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:28.960 i suggest to you that you were testing at that, 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:33.119 point testing how you could hide mushrooms in food without anybody. 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:37.040 Noticing and the accused, agreed she, said, yes that's, fair 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.760 that's a fair, summary but that wasn't her intention to 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.880 do that with any sort of deceit in. Mind it 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.800 was more to try and get more vegetables in the 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:47.320 meals for her. 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:49.960 Children, yeah and when we're talking about those particular, mushrooms 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:52.720 we're talking about the dehydrated mushrooms that the court has 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:56.680 Heard Aaron patterson had dried and then basically powdered down 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:58.720 to put in things like brownies and some of the 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:01.400 other things that you. Mentioned and she said through her 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:04.359 evidence that she, agreed, yes there had been a conversation 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:07.760 at the hospital in the days after the fatal, lunch 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:11.480 and that she had had a conversation both with her estranged, Husband, 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:13.600 simon but also with the two children in the room 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:16.680 where they were referencing these taste tests regarding. 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:18.600 Muffins and when she was asked sort. 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:22.360 Of about whether the children knew that those mushrooms were 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:25.200 in the, Muffins Aaron patterson, said this certainly wasn't the 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:27.520 first time that the children were finding. Out that they 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:30.480 were just having a. Discussion she said in her evidence 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:34.240 that she had told the child after they had eaten 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:37.240 a number of these muffins or guess, what surprise were her. 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:38.760 Words it was a surprise. 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:41.560 That these were the muffins that they most enjoyed actually 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:44.160 have mushrooms in, them because this particular, child she, says 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:47.440 doesn't like. Mushrooms, now let's hear a little bit of 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:51.440 as you mentioned What Nanette rodgers was Asking Aaron pattison 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:54.440 about when it came to whether these other forms of 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:55.800 cooking she'd done were. 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:58.640 A test and how did you blitz these mushrooms into a? 0:16:58.680 --> 0:16:59.920 Powder did you use A. 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:02.240 I THINK i used the. 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:06.480 THERMOMIX i suggest that you were testing to see how 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:08.919 you could hide mushrooms in food without someone. 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:09.480 Noticing. 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:13.000 CORRECT i was seen IF i could put mushrooms into 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:13.760 my kid's. 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:16.680 Food without them. Noticing. Correct, yeah that's. 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:17.040 Fair. 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:21.640 Yep the next screenshot so fun, fact the dehydrator reduces 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:24.680 mushroom mass by ninety. Percent do you Think woollies would 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:28.119 mind IF i brought the dehydrator into their vegetable section 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:31.240 and dry things BEFORE i buy? Them you sent that 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:34.879 message to The facebook user GROUP i did you knew 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:39.320 the dehydrator reduced mushroom mass by ninety percent because you'd 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:43.159 weighed the mushrooms before and after you dehydrated them to 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:46.960 see how it changed their. Mass, CORRECT i. Did did 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:50.120 you research that aspect online or that was your own? 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:52.400 Experiment AND i think that was from my own. 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:56.160 Experiment you were interested in how much mushrooms weighed before 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:59.719 and after being. Dehydrated, correct that's obvious from this. 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:00.000 Post. 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:04.080 Yes as part of this part of the, Evidence Aaron 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:07.520 patterson was being shown not just spoken to about messages 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:10.160 that she'd sent Her facebook, friends but shown actual particular 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.920 screenshots of these, messages as well as being taken back 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:16.159 to those photos of the dehydrator and asked whether she 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:20.840 had shared them with these particular. People and, there as we've, 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:24.360 mentioned more of these mushrooms being brought back and forth 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:26.800 in the photos that were being shown to the court 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:29.600 and the questions that were being raised With Aaron patterson 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:34.240 around those particular mushrooms on the dehydrated trays and what 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:34.880 they actually. 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:38.240 Showed this came as the accused woman was asked about 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:41.480 foraging as. Well these were two points that were really put, 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:44.120 together and it started with her being asked about if 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:46.440 you'd ever foraged for mushrooms in That april To july 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:49.800 twenty twenty three. Period she said, yes but denied ever 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:52.439 seeking out death cat, varieties and the way this was 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:56.120 asked was, okay but so we've got these photographs now as, 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:59.480 well and we've got these photographs that show mushrooms drying 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:02.880 on trail of a dehydrator at her. Home and she was, asked, 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:06.199