1 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:07,790 S1: God, you're fucking useless in a lot of years. You're 2 00:00:07,790 --> 00:00:10,520 S1: as bad as my fucking idiot. Kids. It's kind of dope. 3 00:00:10,580 --> 00:00:11,030 S1: It's kind of. 4 00:00:11,030 --> 00:00:12,980 S2: Dope. Like a robot. Please. 5 00:00:13,580 --> 00:00:15,560 S3: It's kind of dope. 6 00:00:15,830 --> 00:00:18,919 S4: You have my dick in your hand, Ken, But I 7 00:00:18,940 --> 00:00:21,479 S4: got yours in mine. So let's get real. 8 00:00:21,510 --> 00:00:23,310 S2: How about I told you it was all going to 9 00:00:23,310 --> 00:00:24,180 S2: last forever? 10 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,290 S5: Okay, now we're leaving Planet Earth. I'm glad you're not 11 00:00:28,290 --> 00:00:29,100 S5: strapped in. 12 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,870 S6: Welcome to the Drop and our Succession Recap podcast. I'm 13 00:00:35,870 --> 00:00:39,050 S6: Osman Farooqi. I'm here with Thomas Mitchell and Mel Kambouris 14 00:00:39,050 --> 00:00:43,940 S6: to break down Episode six of Succession Season four. Some 15 00:00:43,940 --> 00:00:47,060 S6: fun news before we get into our discussion of this 16 00:00:47,060 --> 00:00:51,199 S6: episode of succession. Thomas, you interviewed Peter Friedman, who plays 17 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,810 S6: Frank on the show. We'll have that interview at the 18 00:00:53,810 --> 00:00:56,890 S6: end of today's episode. But any highlights from that interaction? 19 00:00:56,900 --> 00:00:57,650 S6: Anything you want to share? 20 00:00:57,650 --> 00:01:00,380 S7: Yeah, he was great. Probably my highlight was that he's 21 00:01:00,380 --> 00:01:03,980 S7: just his general vibe is that he basically feels like 22 00:01:03,980 --> 00:01:06,080 S7: a man who just like stumbled onto the set of succession. 23 00:01:06,470 --> 00:01:08,420 S7: He was just like, I can't believe how lucky I am. 24 00:01:08,420 --> 00:01:10,430 S7: He's like the anti Jeremy Strong. He was like, I 25 00:01:10,430 --> 00:01:13,160 S7: don't really practice my lines that much. So yeah, he 26 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,530 S7: was a great chat, very fun. And yeah, I hope 27 00:01:15,530 --> 00:01:16,699 S7: you guys will enjoy listening to it. 28 00:01:16,700 --> 00:01:21,380 S6: Yeah, really looking forward to that interview. Okay, so this episode, 29 00:01:21,380 --> 00:01:26,480 S6: episode six, I feel like. I feel like, I mean, 30 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,310 S6: you kind of stepping on how I think we generally 31 00:01:28,310 --> 00:01:31,190 S6: feel about this. I feel like the first five episodes 32 00:01:31,190 --> 00:01:33,560 S6: of this season were some of my favorites of the 33 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,380 S6: show of any show in recent history. There was so tight, 34 00:01:36,380 --> 00:01:38,840 S6: there was so well plotted, there was a clear arc, 35 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,979 S6: there was this emotional tension. Each episode felt kind of contained, 36 00:01:42,980 --> 00:01:45,709 S6: and though it was trying to tell us something new, 37 00:01:45,709 --> 00:01:48,080 S6: I kind of feel like things went a little bit 38 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:52,040 S6: off the rails with this one. It was messier. There 39 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,590 S6: was a lot more going on. It was set in 40 00:01:54,590 --> 00:01:58,490 S6: so many different spaces. There were timeline and activity things 41 00:01:58,490 --> 00:02:01,730 S6: and announcement things that I feel like weren't really explained 42 00:02:01,730 --> 00:02:05,330 S6: that well. I just felt not quite right after this. 43 00:02:05,330 --> 00:02:07,880 S6: How do you guys feel top line, Mel, about this episode? 44 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,370 S8: Yeah, well, look, I've just come back from a week 45 00:02:10,370 --> 00:02:13,130 S8: off and I think I've been a true delight. These people, 46 00:02:13,130 --> 00:02:16,160 S8: they've been in Norway, they've been sauntering. They've been having 47 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,530 S8: roast meat, they've been having a buffet, and they've come 48 00:02:18,530 --> 00:02:22,520 S8: back all completely unhinged. And I felt like it was 49 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,160 S8: so manic this whole episode. And that probably flowed through 50 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:26,780 S8: to the level of narrative as well. 51 00:02:26,780 --> 00:02:28,670 S6: It was completely manic is a good term. That's how 52 00:02:28,669 --> 00:02:29,960 S6: I felt watching this. Yeah. 53 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,209 S8: And there was this part where later on in the episode, 54 00:02:32,210 --> 00:02:35,270 S8: Shiv and Roman are sitting and talking and they're watching 55 00:02:35,270 --> 00:02:38,510 S8: Kendall as he's building his are his house. And she 56 00:02:38,510 --> 00:02:40,760 S8: says to him, This is not good. It's going to 57 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,120 S8: be very fucking messy. You're out of control. He's out 58 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,820 S8: of control. This is going down. And that kind of 59 00:02:46,820 --> 00:02:49,160 S8: summed up my sense of this episode. 60 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,110 S6: Yeah. How about you, Thomas? Yeah, it hated it. 61 00:02:51,110 --> 00:02:53,120 S7: Hated it. Yeah. Least favorite episode is by far one 62 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,720 S7: of the worst episodes of succession. Wow. It was just. 63 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,000 S7: It was. So aside from being messy, it was, like, inconsistent, 64 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,269 S7: which is something that succession never is it like introduce 65 00:03:02,270 --> 00:03:04,220 S7: all these things we haven't heard about before, which is 66 00:03:04,220 --> 00:03:07,880 S7: something succession never does. It was like stressful. Yeah, manic 67 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:09,950 S7: is a perfect word. I just thought it was like, 68 00:03:09,950 --> 00:03:12,080 S7: you know, succession is this perfectly oiled machine with so 69 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,810 S7: many balls in the air and it so often works 70 00:03:14,810 --> 00:03:17,510 S7: in perfect harmony. And so maybe they're allowed to have like, 71 00:03:17,510 --> 00:03:19,490 S7: a bad episode, but like, I really, really didn't enjoy it. 72 00:03:19,490 --> 00:03:21,889 S8: Then I started to wonder if that was part of 73 00:03:21,889 --> 00:03:25,820 S8: the point. It is where watching everyone become completely unhinged 74 00:03:25,820 --> 00:03:28,280 S8: and even at the level of the narrative that's doing that, 75 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,140 S8: it kind of reminded me of, you know, how when 76 00:03:30,139 --> 00:03:31,790 S8: it was COVID and you saw all those people like 77 00:03:31,790 --> 00:03:35,810 S8: ransacking grocery stores. They're just trying to get out with 78 00:03:35,810 --> 00:03:37,910 S8: what they can. I felt like all the characters were 79 00:03:37,910 --> 00:03:39,830 S8: doing that in this episode, I think. 80 00:03:39,830 --> 00:03:43,130 S6: I think like we're all such in awe of Jesse 81 00:03:43,130 --> 00:03:45,050 S6: Armstrong and the crew and cast in this. There's a 82 00:03:45,050 --> 00:03:47,900 S6: temptation to think that everything that doesn't feel right is 83 00:03:47,900 --> 00:03:51,050 S6: actually like 17 dimensional chess, and it's actually going off 84 00:03:51,050 --> 00:03:55,040 S6: the rails because it makes sense for the broader storyline. 85 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,170 S6: I think like we'll get into this in the deep dive. 86 00:03:57,170 --> 00:03:59,660 S6: I think there was certainly bits of this episode that 87 00:03:59,660 --> 00:04:01,700 S6: did work for me and I think there was some 88 00:04:01,700 --> 00:04:03,500 S6: moments at land and some bits of dialogue that were 89 00:04:03,500 --> 00:04:06,380 S6: great and some overall points that I think go to 90 00:04:06,380 --> 00:04:08,960 S6: this general theme of what this show is about, which 91 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,500 S6: is how terrible fell son Nepo kids up, basically. But 92 00:04:12,500 --> 00:04:16,669 S6: I do think there were inconsistencies and character resets that 93 00:04:16,670 --> 00:04:18,540 S6: I feel like I don't want when there's only 4 94 00:04:18,540 --> 00:04:23,210 S6: or 5 episodes of the show. Let's dive into the episode. 95 00:04:25,790 --> 00:04:28,789 S6: So we're back on home turf. We're back from Norway, though. 96 00:04:28,790 --> 00:04:32,330 S6: We're in Los Angeles rather than the siblings home territory 97 00:04:32,330 --> 00:04:34,880 S6: of New York, The gang is all in LA for 98 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:39,890 S6: the Waystar Investor briefing. Kendall's planning on launching a new product, 99 00:04:39,890 --> 00:04:42,370 S6: which was actually something his father seemingly came up with. 100 00:04:42,380 --> 00:04:44,270 S6: It's called Living Plus. 101 00:04:44,270 --> 00:04:47,240 S2: Look, the world is tough. It's tough. It's getting tougher. 102 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,839 S2: What our incredible new product offers is a sanctuary, some. 103 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:55,130 S6: Sort of weird retirement home meets like entertainment suite. We're 104 00:04:55,130 --> 00:04:57,350 S6: going to dig into that one later on. He and 105 00:04:57,350 --> 00:05:00,230 S6: Roman are keen to fudge the numbers on this announcement. 106 00:05:00,230 --> 00:05:04,070 S6: They basically are still not happy with the Mattson Gojo acquisition, 107 00:05:04,070 --> 00:05:07,400 S6: and their plan is to juice the numbers, send waystar 108 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,930 S6: share price so sky-high that Madison can't afford to buy 109 00:05:11,930 --> 00:05:14,120 S6: the company and will then have to walk away from 110 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:14,750 S6: the deal. 111 00:05:14,750 --> 00:05:17,450 S9: Well, we don't have the numbers, right. These are not 112 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,190 S9: these are the old numbers. We'll have the numbers. So 113 00:05:19,190 --> 00:05:21,170 S9: then what was our go to I. 114 00:05:21,170 --> 00:05:23,120 S2: Guess the sweet spot would be right after they get 115 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,910 S2: fucking delicious and just before they get fucking stupid. 116 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,849 S6: While this is going on, Shiv has well and truly 117 00:05:28,850 --> 00:05:32,390 S6: rekindled her relationship with Tom. They seem to be being 118 00:05:32,390 --> 00:05:35,719 S6: at least somewhat honest with each other about their motivations 119 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:39,260 S6: and desires. She's also keeping up her relationship with Mattson, 120 00:05:39,260 --> 00:05:42,659 S6: who's using her as his, quote, girl on the inside. 121 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,550 S10: Well, you keep me looped my girl, on the inside. Oh, fuck. 122 00:05:46,550 --> 00:05:48,280 S5: You, my boy. On the outside. 123 00:05:48,290 --> 00:05:52,370 S6: The episode ends with a pretty amazing set piece. Kendall 124 00:05:52,370 --> 00:05:55,130 S6: taking to the stage always ends in something very, very 125 00:05:55,130 --> 00:05:57,710 S6: fun for us to watch. Roman, though, gets a bit 126 00:05:57,710 --> 00:06:00,320 S6: of cold feet about their plan. He kind of wusses 127 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,420 S6: out at the last minute, leaving it up to Kendall, 128 00:06:02,420 --> 00:06:05,950 S6: who seemingly does a pretty decent job at the investor event. 129 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,530 S2: Listen, it's been so fun sharing this with you. 130 00:06:09,529 --> 00:06:12,500 S6: It's been so fun. Mattson attempts to derail the whole thing, 131 00:06:12,500 --> 00:06:16,370 S6: but that doesn't really work and were left back slapping 132 00:06:16,370 --> 00:06:20,659 S6: each other as we celebrate a successful launch of a 133 00:06:20,660 --> 00:06:23,239 S6: product that seemingly does not make any sense and has 134 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,250 S6: not been mentioned in the show once before. 135 00:06:25,250 --> 00:06:26,870 S11: Yes, usually with that. 136 00:06:28,190 --> 00:06:32,240 S6: There's a lot to untangle from this. As we've mentioned, 137 00:06:32,270 --> 00:06:34,400 S6: I think as we were saying at the top, while 138 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,560 S6: most of the episodes of this season so far have 139 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,550 S6: been pretty self contained, set in 1 or 2 locations, 140 00:06:40,550 --> 00:06:43,070 S6: set over the course of a couple of hours or 141 00:06:43,070 --> 00:06:46,310 S6: a day, This one is a little bit more complicated. 142 00:06:46,310 --> 00:06:48,470 S6: It's set in a bunch of different places. There's a 143 00:06:48,470 --> 00:06:52,400 S6: lot of characters. There's a plot, B plots, C plots. 144 00:06:52,730 --> 00:06:55,580 S6: It might make sense to start with the very opening 145 00:06:55,580 --> 00:06:59,450 S6: shot of Logan Roy on a green screen. Mel, did 146 00:06:59,450 --> 00:07:00,710 S6: that throw you? 147 00:07:00,710 --> 00:07:03,550 S8: It did. I gasped. I gasped at my desk. It 148 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,950 S8: was but it was kind of like the Shakespearean king 149 00:07:06,950 --> 00:07:10,520 S8: returning as a ghost. But I loved that it was 150 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,720 S8: Logan at his most. Logan He's yelling at people. He's 151 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,630 S8: putting his kids down. He's not getting excited when he's 152 00:07:17,630 --> 00:07:20,840 S8: meant to be excited. And he's also pitching this completely 153 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,800 S8: insane idea. So I enjoyed that. It was just Logan 154 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,220 S8: being full. Logan And that little opening segment ends with 155 00:07:28,220 --> 00:07:33,080 S8: this kind of staredown between Kendall and Logan on the screen, 156 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,290 S8: and it sets up the episode that Kendall is going 157 00:07:36,290 --> 00:07:39,080 S8: to try to outdo Dad dad. So I think it's 158 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,330 S8: a nice way to kind of kick off the madness 159 00:07:41,330 --> 00:07:42,170 S8: that follows. 160 00:07:42,170 --> 00:07:44,450 S6: When you saw that Thomas, was there any part of 161 00:07:44,450 --> 00:07:46,820 S6: you that was like, Oh shit, he's not dead? Or 162 00:07:46,820 --> 00:07:49,610 S6: was it were you straight away like, it's a flashback 163 00:07:49,610 --> 00:07:50,540 S6: or like, what is this? 164 00:07:50,540 --> 00:07:52,940 S7: No, I kind of was pretty like, pretty sure that 165 00:07:52,940 --> 00:07:55,310 S7: it was obviously a flashback. A few people have been 166 00:07:55,310 --> 00:07:57,800 S7: like said the theory that maybe he was faking his death. 167 00:07:57,930 --> 00:07:59,870 S7: I think it's really weird. Succession would never do that. 168 00:08:00,230 --> 00:08:01,880 S6: Not not like this many episodes after. 169 00:08:01,910 --> 00:08:03,350 S7: You know like, oh, he's back. And obviously, I mean, 170 00:08:03,350 --> 00:08:06,110 S7: the green screen was a big giveaway. Yeah, I kind 171 00:08:06,110 --> 00:08:07,640 S7: of like seeing Logan again. Always good to check in 172 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:12,050 S7: with the big man. Um, but yeah, that idea, at 173 00:08:12,050 --> 00:08:14,330 S7: first I was like, living plus is bonkers. At the 174 00:08:14,330 --> 00:08:16,880 S7: end of it, I was like, maybe, maybe, maybe I 175 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,850 S7: could live in living. Cause you get like, amazing healthcare 176 00:08:19,850 --> 00:08:22,940 S7: and all the characters, like the Hollywood directors come and 177 00:08:22,940 --> 00:08:25,040 S7: show you rough cuts to the movie. But yeah, again, 178 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,260 S7: not my favorite cold open of succession. But yeah, I 179 00:08:27,260 --> 00:08:29,360 S7: guess it set things up well. And then from there 180 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:30,410 S7: it kind of unraveled, didn't it? 181 00:08:30,410 --> 00:08:34,310 S6: I feel like what that scene was doing was reminding 182 00:08:34,309 --> 00:08:37,520 S6: us of how Logan looms large over these kids lives, 183 00:08:37,670 --> 00:08:41,120 S6: quite literally, and sets up the fact that both Roman 184 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,330 S6: and Kendall in this episode are essentially trying to be 185 00:08:44,330 --> 00:08:47,179 S6: their dad and failing. Now, one of my problems with 186 00:08:47,179 --> 00:08:49,010 S6: that is I feel like this show has been doing 187 00:08:49,010 --> 00:08:53,329 S6: that quite subtly throughout this season. We have been seeing 188 00:08:53,330 --> 00:08:57,410 S6: the fact that Roman and Kendall can't really handle the 189 00:08:57,410 --> 00:08:59,750 S6: loss of their father. Roman in particular seems to be 190 00:08:59,750 --> 00:09:03,470 S6: melting down. And we've also seen that they attempts to 191 00:09:03,470 --> 00:09:07,040 S6: try and replicate their dad's business acumen is failing. What 192 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,120 S6: annoyed me about this episode was that all that subtlety 193 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,880 S6: and that nuance and that complexity of how that's played 194 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:15,830 S6: out was gone. And it was kind of like, if 195 00:09:15,830 --> 00:09:17,990 S6: you haven't noticed any of that stuff, don't worry about it, 196 00:09:17,990 --> 00:09:20,480 S6: because this episode is literally going to be their dad 197 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,030 S6: staring at them from this giant screen and then running 198 00:09:23,030 --> 00:09:25,790 S6: around literally having conversations saying, I am like my dad. 199 00:09:25,790 --> 00:09:27,120 S6: I'm going to do what my dad said. And people 200 00:09:27,140 --> 00:09:29,330 S6: responding to them by saying, You're not your dad, you're 201 00:09:29,330 --> 00:09:30,950 S6: not your dad as much as you think you are. 202 00:09:30,950 --> 00:09:34,250 S8: Yeah, I understand what you're saying, but I don't think 203 00:09:34,250 --> 00:09:37,849 S8: their relationship to their dad is as straightforward as they 204 00:09:37,850 --> 00:09:40,429 S8: just want to be him. They have a really complicated 205 00:09:40,429 --> 00:09:43,340 S8: relationship with their dad. Sometimes they love him, sometimes they 206 00:09:43,340 --> 00:09:45,170 S8: hate him. Sometimes they want to be him. Sometimes they 207 00:09:45,170 --> 00:09:47,810 S8: want to exceed him. Sometimes they don't want to be 208 00:09:47,809 --> 00:09:50,060 S8: anything like him. And that's their point. They want to 209 00:09:50,059 --> 00:09:52,699 S8: do something different and carve out a niche of their own. 210 00:09:52,700 --> 00:09:56,600 S8: So I do think their relationship with him, both professionally 211 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,959 S8: and personally, kind of fluctuates and changes depending on the 212 00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:01,610 S8: day and the mood, which is, I guess, kind of 213 00:10:01,610 --> 00:10:04,550 S8: realistic really, particularly in aftershocks of grief. 214 00:10:05,150 --> 00:10:06,860 S7: But yeah, but I think I know what you mean. 215 00:10:06,860 --> 00:10:09,830 S7: Like I feel like last episode, great episode. Obviously we 216 00:10:09,830 --> 00:10:11,930 S7: all love Mats and he rolled out the deadline like 217 00:10:11,929 --> 00:10:15,830 S7: really subtly, like maybe once or twice. Whereas this episode, 218 00:10:15,830 --> 00:10:19,329 S7: it was like Roman said it to joy. Like, you know, like, 219 00:10:19,340 --> 00:10:20,780 S7: I know you think I'm not my dad. And then 220 00:10:20,780 --> 00:10:22,699 S7: when he's like, having the argument with Jerry, she they 221 00:10:22,700 --> 00:10:25,400 S7: have a whole back and forth about dad. Kendall has 222 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,710 S7: it with Carl as well. Like it's just constant in 223 00:10:27,710 --> 00:10:30,020 S7: your face, like you're not Logan And then this is 224 00:10:30,020 --> 00:10:31,910 S7: like the big dramatic tension. That we're going to kind 225 00:10:31,910 --> 00:10:34,189 S7: of like lift off of. It felt just a bit 226 00:10:34,190 --> 00:10:37,429 S7: heavy handed, which everything in this episode kind of felt. 227 00:10:37,550 --> 00:10:42,890 S7: It's weird, like this episode in the succession universe. It 228 00:10:42,890 --> 00:10:44,479 S7: feels like it was just like dropped in from a 229 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:45,800 S7: different show. I agree. 230 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:47,720 S6: It feels like it comes from a different season of 231 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,480 S6: the show or a different timeline. Yeah, like other than 232 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,580 S6: the fact that Logan's dead, it just feels like a 233 00:10:52,580 --> 00:10:55,550 S6: throwback to the kids trying to do business stuff in 234 00:10:55,550 --> 00:10:59,000 S6: this sense. I think you mentioned Roman's interaction with Joy, 235 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:03,050 S6: the head of this kind of like Hollywood part of Waystar. 236 00:11:03,230 --> 00:11:06,440 S6: What Roman's trying to do is essentially, as part of 237 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:11,329 S6: him and Kendalls plan to juice the numbers on Waystar stock. 238 00:11:11,330 --> 00:11:13,850 S6: Kendall's kind of taking the lead on the living plus thing, 239 00:11:13,850 --> 00:11:16,940 S6: and Roman is trying to rebuild the studio in the 240 00:11:16,940 --> 00:11:19,550 S6: wake of the Calypso Tron sort of nightmare. So his 241 00:11:19,550 --> 00:11:20,960 S6: job is to go to Joy and to say, Hey, 242 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:22,820 S6: we're going to be a bunch of money. You're going 243 00:11:22,820 --> 00:11:25,010 S6: to help us create a bunch of new franchises and 244 00:11:25,010 --> 00:11:26,510 S6: we're going to kill it in this space. And he 245 00:11:26,510 --> 00:11:28,190 S6: ends firing her. 246 00:11:28,190 --> 00:11:36,240 S9: I could just fire you so. That's a funny joke. 247 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,200 S9: I could look. I'm not saying I am. I'm just 248 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,260 S9: saying I could. Although maybe I should. 249 00:11:42,270 --> 00:11:44,460 S6: Seemingly, because she wasn't giving him the respect that he 250 00:11:44,460 --> 00:11:45,820 S6: thought he deserved. No, I said it. 251 00:11:45,860 --> 00:11:47,910 S9: Now I feel like I got to commit our tentpoles 252 00:11:47,910 --> 00:11:49,560 S9: bullshit and out of control, and you're not going to 253 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,530 S9: fix it. So I'm calling it. I'm sorry. We're done. Yeah, 254 00:11:53,070 --> 00:11:55,170 S9: this is. Yeah, I am. What? I mean. 255 00:11:55,350 --> 00:11:57,449 S6: And then you mentioned, Tom, that the similar sort of 256 00:11:57,450 --> 00:12:00,270 S6: thing plays out with Jerry. My problem with it is 257 00:12:00,270 --> 00:12:02,910 S6: those scenes were fine, and that tension between Jerry and 258 00:12:02,910 --> 00:12:06,059 S6: Roman was was kind of interesting to watch. But we 259 00:12:06,059 --> 00:12:08,640 S6: didn't learn anything new about Roman in this episode that 260 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,160 S6: we didn't already know. His character did not move forward 261 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,980 S6: at all. All we saw were different examples of him 262 00:12:13,980 --> 00:12:17,690 S6: struggling with business and struggling with the loss of his father. 263 00:12:17,700 --> 00:12:21,090 S6: It felt like a complete waste of space. I feel 264 00:12:21,090 --> 00:12:23,520 S6: like maybe Thomas and I are on the more cynical end. 265 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,580 S6: Do you think there's something to be gleaned from the 266 00:12:26,580 --> 00:12:28,270 S6: way Roman acted, Mel, in this episode? 267 00:12:28,290 --> 00:12:30,720 S8: Well, firstly, I suddenly dawned on me why they're going 268 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,729 S8: to need joy so much. It's because they need more 269 00:12:32,730 --> 00:12:37,020 S8: characters to feel living. Plus they need more insights, like 270 00:12:37,020 --> 00:12:38,910 S8: they get a run out if they're building all of 271 00:12:38,910 --> 00:12:43,470 S8: these everywhere. So yeah, that's going to be a problem. Well, 272 00:12:43,470 --> 00:12:45,780 S8: I think last episode I kind of made the point 273 00:12:45,780 --> 00:12:48,570 S8: that I thought a beast had been awakened in Roman, 274 00:12:48,570 --> 00:12:50,460 S8: and it could either go two ways. It could either 275 00:12:50,460 --> 00:12:53,429 S8: go in a positive direction where he becomes really invested 276 00:12:53,429 --> 00:12:55,319 S8: in the business and really interested in it, or it 277 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,599 S8: could go a kind of dangerous way. 278 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,820 S6: And I actually you're being that's a very positive reading 279 00:12:59,820 --> 00:13:02,040 S6: of what you said last week. You're basically like Roman 280 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,550 S6: sorted himself out. He's working hard. He's mentally well. I'm 281 00:13:05,550 --> 00:13:07,320 S6: sorry to say, none of those things are true. And 282 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:07,620 S6: the things. 283 00:13:07,620 --> 00:13:12,510 S8: I've got Carolina doing my are doing for me. But 284 00:13:12,510 --> 00:13:15,090 S8: I think all we saw Roman has always had for 285 00:13:15,090 --> 00:13:19,050 S8: this entire series, he's always had insecurity about his business acumen, 286 00:13:19,050 --> 00:13:22,709 S8: and he is now just projecting that insecurity onto everyone. 287 00:13:22,710 --> 00:13:25,800 S8: So they say one small thing like, Oh, it's complicated. 288 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,650 S8: Or Roman. They interrupt him in a meeting and he 289 00:13:28,650 --> 00:13:31,650 S8: just completely flips out because I think he's so deeply 290 00:13:31,650 --> 00:13:34,470 S8: insecure about what he can do. And that's why at 291 00:13:34,470 --> 00:13:36,030 S8: the end he kind of shoots himself in the foot 292 00:13:36,030 --> 00:13:38,699 S8: because he just sides with Shiv against Kendall because he's 293 00:13:38,700 --> 00:13:41,790 S8: so full of self doubt. And that is consistent with 294 00:13:41,790 --> 00:13:44,040 S8: his character. But I think we've seen that, yeah, he's 295 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,949 S8: not really made personal growth that maybe I thought he 296 00:13:46,950 --> 00:13:49,410 S8: had made on the Alps. But I love there's this 297 00:13:49,410 --> 00:13:52,740 S8: scene where they're watching Kendall do his big presentation and 298 00:13:52,740 --> 00:13:56,040 S8: all the old guards and Shiv and Roman are sitting 299 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,400 S8: together and Roman is like cuddling a cushion from one 300 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,100 S8: of the chairs. And I think this just sums him 301 00:14:02,100 --> 00:14:04,679 S8: up perfectly. He's a little boy still. Yeah. 302 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:06,540 S6: And it could be. It could be that what I'm 303 00:14:06,540 --> 00:14:09,960 S6: interpreting as a complete lack of growth of development is 304 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,840 S6: potentially the point of the show, which is that you 305 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,929 S6: think for four seasons these characters are going somewhere, but 306 00:14:15,929 --> 00:14:20,130 S6: they are completely emotionally and mentally stunted, like the episode 307 00:14:20,130 --> 00:14:23,790 S6: ending with Roman listening to his dad abuse him again 308 00:14:23,790 --> 00:14:24,510 S6: and again. 309 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,620 S12: I want to make what I think is fairly historic announcement. 310 00:14:29,430 --> 00:14:33,030 S12: I'm convinced that it Roman Roy has a micro dick 311 00:14:33,270 --> 00:14:34,980 S12: and always gets it wrong. 312 00:14:35,370 --> 00:14:35,790 S13: Which. 313 00:14:35,790 --> 00:14:38,310 S6: Is where he's been since he was a child when 314 00:14:38,310 --> 00:14:41,250 S6: Logan locked him in a dog cage and like, yelled 315 00:14:41,250 --> 00:14:43,890 S6: at him. So I'm kind of going back on my 316 00:14:43,890 --> 00:14:46,620 S6: point from the start, which is I don't love the road. 317 00:14:46,620 --> 00:14:48,960 S6: I don't want to believe that Jesse Armstrong is this 318 00:14:49,050 --> 00:14:51,810 S6: genius spinning this web. But but it could just be 319 00:14:51,810 --> 00:14:54,480 S6: the point that, like every episode, you think that there's 320 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,120 S6: a game that these characters might win, but even if 321 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,550 S6: it feels like they do, I'm going to remind you 322 00:14:59,550 --> 00:15:02,460 S6: that they are moronic children who have nothing to offer 323 00:15:02,460 --> 00:15:03,090 S6: the world. And also. 324 00:15:03,090 --> 00:15:04,740 S8: Isn't that kind of realistic? Like, how often are you 325 00:15:04,740 --> 00:15:10,080 S8: showing character development? Like like you've just you've been complicated today. 326 00:15:10,110 --> 00:15:12,780 S8: It's not like every day you get up and progress. 327 00:15:12,780 --> 00:15:15,900 S6: I've been complicated today. Let's not go into the morning 328 00:15:15,900 --> 00:15:18,390 S6: that I've had. What what do you think about this? 329 00:15:18,390 --> 00:15:21,930 S7: Thomas Yeah, I mean, I kind of know what you mean. Now. 330 00:15:21,930 --> 00:15:23,760 S7: I feel like I'm coming around. You've got. Damn it, 331 00:15:23,940 --> 00:15:26,190 S7: I kind of know what you mean. And like, you know, 332 00:15:26,190 --> 00:15:29,370 S7: because at the end of episode, the previous episode when 333 00:15:29,370 --> 00:15:32,880 S7: Matt's in, like, obviously really got inside Roman's head, he 334 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,520 S7: has clearly, like, been impacted by that. He talks again 335 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,560 S7: about how much he's like he kind of slides a 336 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,960 S7: line into Kendall. You know, I'm like really struggling with 337 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,810 S7: death as Kendall is like, you know, spruiking eternal life. 338 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,450 S7: So yeah, I kind of get that. But I guess 339 00:15:45,450 --> 00:15:48,810 S7: for me, the biggest issue with the episode was that 340 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,550 S7: firstly this investor meeting for like real what's it called 341 00:15:53,700 --> 00:15:56,760 S7: for living? Plus we've never heard of this product before 342 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,739 S7: and it forms the entire kind of dramatic arc of 343 00:15:58,740 --> 00:16:01,350 S7: this episode that is a really UN succession thing to do. 344 00:16:01,350 --> 00:16:03,540 S6: Yeah, normally they would tease or drop some of these. 345 00:16:03,540 --> 00:16:03,960 S6: I kind of. 346 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,050 S8: But we know that the cruise ship division is struggling. 347 00:16:07,050 --> 00:16:10,230 S8: We know that the Parks and RECs division is struggling. 348 00:16:10,230 --> 00:16:11,940 S8: So what they've done is combine them. It kind of 349 00:16:11,940 --> 00:16:14,190 S8: to me felt like a Logan wacky idea to make 350 00:16:14,190 --> 00:16:16,530 S8: money out of both these struggling to be. We've spent three. 351 00:16:16,530 --> 00:16:18,570 S7: Episodes talking about a deal for the future of this 352 00:16:18,570 --> 00:16:20,700 S7: company and this hasn't come up yet. Like as if 353 00:16:20,700 --> 00:16:22,320 S7: Madison wouldn't have mentioned like. 354 00:16:22,590 --> 00:16:24,180 S6: By the way, how about this big thing that you're 355 00:16:24,180 --> 00:16:25,500 S6: about to announce, which I think is dumb? 356 00:16:25,500 --> 00:16:27,990 S7: Yeah. So that to me speaks to the broader problem 357 00:16:27,990 --> 00:16:29,550 S7: that I had with this episode was that all of 358 00:16:29,550 --> 00:16:31,830 S7: the like and again, we've all kind of admitted we're 359 00:16:31,830 --> 00:16:33,360 S7: not like big business people. 360 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,060 S6: I only said that to make you guys feel better. 361 00:16:35,070 --> 00:16:36,370 S6: I know a lot about business. 362 00:16:36,390 --> 00:16:38,580 S7: I'm a business guy. No, but like, all of that 363 00:16:38,580 --> 00:16:43,080 S7: aspect of the episode felt very untrue to me and very, like, 364 00:16:43,410 --> 00:16:47,490 S7: almost like character versions of of this world. And, you know, 365 00:16:47,490 --> 00:16:50,400 S7: when like, you've got Jerry being let go, Joy being 366 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,890 S7: let go. Everything was just so chaotic and it felt 367 00:16:52,890 --> 00:16:55,890 S7: like if you were someone in that world and watching succession, 368 00:16:55,890 --> 00:16:57,390 S7: you know, kind of to get a bit of enjoyment 369 00:16:57,390 --> 00:16:58,770 S7: out of it, you would, I think, watch it with 370 00:16:58,770 --> 00:17:00,420 S7: a lens of this has gone too far. 371 00:17:00,420 --> 00:17:03,420 S6: Now, let's talk about Kendall, because he's the other part 372 00:17:03,420 --> 00:17:05,969 S6: of this strategy and he's the focus of the living 373 00:17:05,970 --> 00:17:08,010 S6: plus sort of a thing that was part of this 374 00:17:08,010 --> 00:17:11,850 S6: storyline that I did enjoy. Right. Because the planet they 375 00:17:11,850 --> 00:17:15,360 S6: make is is ludicrous. It's we still desperately want to 376 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,179 S6: blow up this deal. And our plan is to send 377 00:17:18,180 --> 00:17:20,280 S6: the share price so high that Mattson can afford to 378 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,010 S6: do it. We've talked about Roman's failed attempt to do 379 00:17:23,010 --> 00:17:25,590 S6: that through the studio division. Kendall's attempt is to make 380 00:17:25,590 --> 00:17:29,850 S6: living plus seem so amazing that shareholders and investors and 381 00:17:29,850 --> 00:17:32,699 S6: analysts and the media like, Oh my God, these kids 382 00:17:32,700 --> 00:17:35,280 S6: have done it. They are geniuses. The share price is 383 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,919 S6: now $240 a share or whatever. I feel like that 384 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,250 S6: is a pretty sharp and funny commentary on how broken 385 00:17:41,250 --> 00:17:44,730 S6: the markets are because this does happen like this does 386 00:17:44,730 --> 00:17:47,790 S6: happen where the fundamentals of a company get overlooked because 387 00:17:47,790 --> 00:17:52,260 S6: some CEO announces a completely crazy new idea, the share 388 00:17:52,260 --> 00:17:55,890 S6: price goes up temporarily. It staves off their execution, and 389 00:17:56,130 --> 00:17:58,380 S6: the company might collapse down the track. But they've had 390 00:17:58,380 --> 00:18:00,000 S6: their short term sugar hit. 391 00:18:00,450 --> 00:18:03,629 S7: His idea is unbelievable growth. Yeah, that is the idea. 392 00:18:03,630 --> 00:18:05,159 S7: He's like I've had a thought finally. 393 00:18:05,460 --> 00:18:10,320 S6: And there's only actual like logistical plan to to pull 394 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:14,250 S6: all this off is to bully his numbers guys into juicing. 395 00:18:14,250 --> 00:18:16,770 S6: Paul Pete introducing the numbers does it make it. 396 00:18:16,770 --> 00:18:17,700 S2: Bigger It makes it. 397 00:18:17,700 --> 00:18:18,840 S14: A lot bigger. What? 398 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,930 S2: 50% per year? Five years. We ten X revenue. Can 399 00:18:21,930 --> 00:18:24,120 S2: I talk to Carl? What is the biggest headline number 400 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:24,659 S2: that's credible? 401 00:18:24,660 --> 00:18:27,510 S15: The thing is, numbers aren't just numbers. They're numbers. 402 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:28,980 S14: You're talking gibberish, Pete. 403 00:18:28,980 --> 00:18:31,469 S6: And then to edit to get Greg to edit the 404 00:18:31,470 --> 00:18:34,649 S6: video of Logan saying that growth will be will be double. 405 00:18:34,830 --> 00:18:38,490 S6: Mel before we unpack whether this worked for Kendall or not, 406 00:18:38,790 --> 00:18:40,650 S6: I think we all need to talk about just living. 407 00:18:40,650 --> 00:18:43,530 S6: Plus for a second, you described it as like a 408 00:18:43,530 --> 00:18:46,830 S6: combination of the cruises and parks. The best thing I 409 00:18:46,830 --> 00:18:49,350 S6: could sort of piece together around it is that it's 410 00:18:49,350 --> 00:18:55,200 S6: a retirement home, but with like a ATN and live 411 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,950 S6: stream from the Waystar studio stuff. And then it sort 412 00:18:58,950 --> 00:19:02,520 S6: of onstage morphs into being eternal life. Like, what the 413 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:03,240 S6: hell is this thing? 414 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,420 S8: Oh, see, I had a very different interpretation. I thought, 415 00:19:06,420 --> 00:19:08,850 S8: like Woody from Toy Story would be working at the 416 00:19:08,850 --> 00:19:10,860 S8: grocery store. I thought, like. 417 00:19:11,130 --> 00:19:12,630 S7: It's like a theme park for old people. 418 00:19:12,810 --> 00:19:15,300 S8: Well, I thought they'd be using all their kind of. 419 00:19:15,300 --> 00:19:18,300 S8: This is based on Fox. If like Fox actually did this, 420 00:19:18,300 --> 00:19:21,450 S8: they would have all their character IP built into the 421 00:19:21,450 --> 00:19:24,720 S8: kind of fabric of this community because Roman says something 422 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,390 S8: about like he says, and we'll have all our characters 423 00:19:27,390 --> 00:19:29,940 S8: from Waystar there. So I like the idea that, like, 424 00:19:29,940 --> 00:19:35,460 S8: Remy from Ratatouille is kind of working at the restaurant. Yeah, no, 425 00:19:35,460 --> 00:19:38,010 S8: I think I'm moving in. I've spoken to family and friends, 426 00:19:38,010 --> 00:19:40,170 S8: but I kind of like the idea that it's so 427 00:19:40,170 --> 00:19:43,890 S8: wacky and how they describe it doesn't really mean anything. 428 00:19:43,890 --> 00:19:46,200 S8: So it could be everything or nothing. 429 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,660 S7: Yeah, it was kind of an amazing idea, though. As 430 00:19:48,660 --> 00:19:50,219 S7: he said it, I was like getting more sold. Like 431 00:19:50,220 --> 00:19:52,530 S7: essentially it's like a gated community retirement home. 432 00:19:52,530 --> 00:19:54,419 S6: You're an idiot investor is what you're. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 433 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,420 S7: It's a gated community retirement home that does feature like, 434 00:19:57,420 --> 00:20:00,149 S7: I don't know, some kind of weird waystar IP where like, yeah, 435 00:20:00,150 --> 00:20:04,050 S7: characters are working at the local supermarket, but then the, the, 436 00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:07,830 S7: the clincher and the like chaos element from Kendall is 437 00:20:07,830 --> 00:20:10,290 S7: that and he says he's like with our links to 438 00:20:10,290 --> 00:20:12,750 S7: tech and pharmaceutical companies, we will give you privileged access 439 00:20:12,750 --> 00:20:15,570 S7: to life enhancement like so essentially he's like you know 440 00:20:15,570 --> 00:20:17,760 S7: and there's even a quote, he's like, if I had 441 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,449 S7: another ten, 20, 30, 40 years, like to my I'll 442 00:20:21,510 --> 00:20:22,980 S7: be able to spend more time with my dad. Like, 443 00:20:22,980 --> 00:20:25,260 S7: obviously no one can promise you another 40 years. But 444 00:20:25,260 --> 00:20:28,590 S7: essentially the kicker is we've got the best links to 445 00:20:28,590 --> 00:20:30,419 S7: the best doctors and the best medicine in the world. 446 00:20:30,420 --> 00:20:33,450 S7: Come and live in this weird like waystar jail for 447 00:20:33,450 --> 00:20:35,669 S7: old people, but you might live a bit longer. It's 448 00:20:35,670 --> 00:20:38,250 S7: fucking crazy. But it's also like maybe. And also, I mean. 449 00:20:38,250 --> 00:20:41,639 S6: Like privatized aged care is lucrative, both like in Australia 450 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,190 S6: and America. Gosh, I'm really coming around and all these things. 451 00:20:44,910 --> 00:20:47,160 S8: I like that. On the slide that they were showing 452 00:20:47,190 --> 00:20:49,530 S8: to the investors, the quote was, I hope we're all 453 00:20:49,530 --> 00:20:53,340 S8: ready to minimize surprise and maximize satisfaction, which I thought 454 00:20:53,340 --> 00:20:55,650 S8: that's that's a personal motto I can get behind. 455 00:20:55,650 --> 00:20:58,409 S6: We're all putting our money on the Waystar stock in 456 00:20:58,410 --> 00:21:00,300 S6: response to this event. I mean, I was told the 457 00:21:00,300 --> 00:21:02,879 S6: moment Kendall came out to another hip hop track. 458 00:21:03,030 --> 00:21:04,890 S2: Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome. 459 00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:06,690 S3: To the Rose Kendall your. 460 00:21:08,100 --> 00:21:12,250 S6: A true public enemy is harder than you think, which 461 00:21:12,250 --> 00:21:15,790 S6: is even funnier than the one like Public Enemy generally. 462 00:21:15,790 --> 00:21:18,550 S6: Particularly that song Harder Than You Think, is so explicitly 463 00:21:18,550 --> 00:21:21,460 S6: political and like against the right wing media and right 464 00:21:21,460 --> 00:21:25,780 S6: wing politicians, which is everything that Kendall represents and associates with. 465 00:21:25,780 --> 00:21:29,050 S6: And he thinks, as he's speaking at this investor conference 466 00:21:29,050 --> 00:21:31,300 S6: spruiking this weird aged care thing that he has some 467 00:21:31,300 --> 00:21:33,520 S6: affinity with, Public Enemy is pretty extraordinary. 468 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,780 S7: Also, best use of a hologram since two back at Coachella. Amazing. 469 00:21:37,780 --> 00:21:39,820 S7: I love that they did that and it was like 470 00:21:39,820 --> 00:21:41,590 S7: they even kept Logan in character and he's like, Let's 471 00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:42,550 S7: just get on with this. 472 00:21:42,820 --> 00:21:44,830 S8: I love that he's got his space jacket on when 473 00:21:44,830 --> 00:21:47,110 S8: he is like on another planet. Yeah, yeah. 474 00:21:47,109 --> 00:21:49,240 S6: So I want to ask you guys about whether or 475 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,389 S6: not Kendall was successful in what he was trying to do. 476 00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:56,980 S6: Because when you're watching him on stage at the Investor Roadshow, 477 00:21:56,980 --> 00:21:59,510 S6: he is stumbling at the start. 478 00:21:59,650 --> 00:22:04,179 S2: Says you're on my words that I'm glad to be here. 479 00:22:04,180 --> 00:22:06,850 S6: He kind of finds his fate. You see the gray 480 00:22:06,850 --> 00:22:10,360 S6: beard switch to actually thinking like, oh, wow, maybe he 481 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,960 S6: is kind of doing this. He gets a pretty rough 482 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,889 S6: question following Madsen's intervention on Twitter, which we'll get into 483 00:22:17,890 --> 00:22:20,290 S6: in a bit. And he responds to that quite well. 484 00:22:20,290 --> 00:22:23,740 S2: But we don't always come across as we intend on 485 00:22:23,740 --> 00:22:27,550 S2: social media. And one of the things about living plus actually, 486 00:22:27,550 --> 00:22:30,399 S2: is that we see it going beyond. 487 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,430 S6: And when he walks off stage, everyone's kind of like, Wow, 488 00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:37,330 S6: you did this. You managed to sell this slightly mad idea. 489 00:22:37,330 --> 00:22:39,940 S6: The analysts are looking pretty good. Bloomberg's writing some pretty 490 00:22:39,940 --> 00:22:42,729 S6: good stuff on their on their wire stories. And then 491 00:22:42,730 --> 00:22:45,550 S6: at the end of the episode, he's smiling. He's at 492 00:22:45,550 --> 00:22:48,820 S6: the ocean. He's being reborn, you know, in the sea. 493 00:22:48,820 --> 00:22:52,390 S6: But to get there, he basically had to like lie 494 00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:55,750 S6: about the numbers behind this proposal. This is a publicly 495 00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:59,560 S6: listed company. We know that in the succession universe, the SEC, 496 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,189 S6: the Department of Justice, are real institutions. I feel like 497 00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:06,220 S6: the next episode could open with Kendall in handcuffs for like, 498 00:23:06,220 --> 00:23:08,890 S6: having completely misled people. What are we supposed to take 499 00:23:08,890 --> 00:23:10,210 S6: away from from how we went? 500 00:23:10,210 --> 00:23:12,970 S8: MIL Okay, firstly, I like that it ends with that 501 00:23:12,970 --> 00:23:16,060 S8: scene like he's a character in moonlight or something floating 502 00:23:16,060 --> 00:23:20,649 S8: in the water. It dawned on me suddenly that Kendall, 503 00:23:20,650 --> 00:23:22,689 S8: how do we solve problem like Kendall? Kendall doesn't want 504 00:23:22,690 --> 00:23:25,960 S8: to be CEO. Kendall wants to be in Hollywood. He's 505 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,239 S8: all about the illusion in the artifice. Give him a 506 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,440 S8: film like the Clouds. 507 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,060 S6: Yeah. Cue the rain. Yeah. 508 00:23:31,060 --> 00:23:33,940 S8: And that the quote where he's like gods, the clouds, 509 00:23:33,940 --> 00:23:35,620 S8: the clouds aren't right. They're just not. 510 00:23:35,619 --> 00:23:37,240 S6: Right. He saw them in Berlin. 511 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,590 S8: Yeah. It was a real exhibition to watch. Like. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Well, 512 00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:43,720 S8: I believe that referencing if you want. Yeah. Put on 513 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,800 S8: the fun fact music. I was going to say gotcha. Um. Yeah. 514 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,470 S8: To me it just seems like he's all about the illusion. 515 00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:53,680 S8: He always has been. And the part he enjoyed most 516 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,770 S8: was really the acting of the role and the building 517 00:23:56,770 --> 00:23:59,109 S8: of the set. And early on, when he has this 518 00:23:59,109 --> 00:24:01,840 S8: vision and pour Danny one of my favorite characters, it's 519 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,300 S8: like it's a great vision. He has this vision. He's 520 00:24:04,300 --> 00:24:06,880 S8: standing in the auditorium where they're going to do the presentation. 521 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,070 S8: He's got the spotlight on him, he's got the empty 522 00:24:09,070 --> 00:24:11,170 S8: seats behind him and he holds his hand up. He's 523 00:24:11,170 --> 00:24:13,960 S8: got his black directors outfit on. He's like, I have 524 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,750 S8: an idea. So I just think that Kendall is doing 525 00:24:16,750 --> 00:24:17,020 S8: the wrong. 526 00:24:17,020 --> 00:24:18,850 S6: He loves directing these things. On his birthday as well. 527 00:24:18,850 --> 00:24:21,590 S6: He was the one who wanted to coordinate, like how to. 528 00:24:21,609 --> 00:24:23,530 S7: Make everyone walk in through his mother's birth canal. 529 00:24:23,970 --> 00:24:24,120 S16: Yeah. 530 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,460 S6: What? What do you think, Thomas? Is it a win? 531 00:24:27,460 --> 00:24:28,830 S6: Is it a Pyrrhic victory? What's. 532 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,690 S7: Yeah, it's probably a victory. Like when he as he 533 00:24:31,690 --> 00:24:33,700 S7: was walking on stage, I was like, oh, because we like, 534 00:24:33,700 --> 00:24:35,920 S7: I love Kendall. I'm a Kendall fanboy. So I was, like, 535 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,709 S7: feeling tense for him. And everyone, like, knew it was 536 00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:40,689 S7: going to be a fucking disaster and blah blah, blah. 537 00:24:40,690 --> 00:24:43,120 S7: And then lo and behold, he actually kind of pulled 538 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:44,920 S7: it off as soon as he said the line where 539 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,690 S7: he's like, You know, your family can visit all the 540 00:24:46,690 --> 00:24:48,100 S7: time or like, you know, we can tell them you're 541 00:24:48,100 --> 00:24:49,929 S7: at if you want. And he, like everyone, laughs And 542 00:24:49,930 --> 00:24:51,730 S7: he did a smile. It's like, man, he's got this. 543 00:24:51,730 --> 00:24:53,619 S8: I'm kind of saying, Why you like Kendall? 544 00:24:53,619 --> 00:24:55,930 S7: So we'll get back to that. But yeah, I think 545 00:24:55,930 --> 00:24:57,369 S7: he actually did pretty well. Like, yeah, whether or not 546 00:24:57,369 --> 00:25:00,100 S7: the victory means anything, like everyone expected him to fail 547 00:25:00,100 --> 00:25:01,960 S7: and he didn't, you know, then he walks back into 548 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,500 S7: that like winner's lap circle and Hugo's like Houston we 549 00:25:05,500 --> 00:25:07,090 S7: have special or whatever. Like it's just. 550 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,359 S3: You said we have special, we have special. 551 00:25:12,010 --> 00:25:13,619 S7: I mean, Kendall is loving that moment. He's like, you know, 552 00:25:13,630 --> 00:25:15,310 S7: I can't even remember it. It's a blur. It's a blur. Like, 553 00:25:15,310 --> 00:25:17,830 S7: it's he's just so deep in it. Yeah. Whether the 554 00:25:17,830 --> 00:25:19,900 S7: victory means anything, I don't know. And also, the thing 555 00:25:19,900 --> 00:25:21,760 S7: I like, the moment where I was like, that could 556 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,159 S7: really come back to bite you is when they actually 557 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,760 S7: use that like I guess the Logan Roy IP to 558 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,640 S7: say double the earnings like that is got to be 559 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:31,300 S7: a crime. 560 00:25:31,300 --> 00:25:34,199 S6: It's definitely so many crimes were committed in this still. 561 00:25:34,210 --> 00:25:35,860 S8: Ferguson over here Yeah. 562 00:25:36,010 --> 00:25:37,570 S7: I'm Kate McClymont and welcome to the drop. 563 00:25:39,550 --> 00:25:43,780 S6: Let's jump sideways let's talk about chef who is sort 564 00:25:43,780 --> 00:25:45,429 S6: of in her own plot in this. She sort of 565 00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:48,190 S6: pops up as a siblings are plotting their thing, but 566 00:25:48,190 --> 00:25:51,460 S6: she's got two other things going on. She's working with 567 00:25:51,460 --> 00:25:53,980 S6: Matt and she's basically giving him insight intel on what 568 00:25:53,980 --> 00:25:56,530 S6: the siblings are up to, which I think goes to 569 00:25:56,530 --> 00:25:58,869 S6: what both of you guys are saying last week, that 570 00:25:58,869 --> 00:26:02,110 S6: this isn't like so much a romantic or sexual thing 571 00:26:02,109 --> 00:26:03,850 S6: Between them, though, there is like a little bit of 572 00:26:03,850 --> 00:26:07,630 S6: funny floating going on Madison has found a way into. 573 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,420 S6: Shiv by seemingly opening up to her and is using 574 00:26:11,420 --> 00:26:14,120 S6: her for his own benefit. She thinks that she's probably 575 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,950 S6: getting something out of it as well. She's got an 576 00:26:15,950 --> 00:26:19,010 S6: inside run on the new owners and she's well and 577 00:26:19,010 --> 00:26:23,119 S6: truly part of the Waystar crew. But the main storyline 578 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,170 S6: involving Shiv is a rekindling with Tom, which is finally happening, 579 00:26:27,290 --> 00:26:30,260 S6: which Thomas, you've been calling literally since episode one. Yeah, 580 00:26:30,410 --> 00:26:34,970 S6: well done. Well done. Thank you, Nostradamus. I have mixed 581 00:26:34,970 --> 00:26:40,550 S6: feelings about this. I'm starting to, like, get really suss 582 00:26:40,550 --> 00:26:45,139 S6: on Tom. I have a suspicion that Tom's opening up 583 00:26:45,140 --> 00:26:49,879 S6: to her and his attempt to be, quote unquote, honest about, like, 584 00:26:49,910 --> 00:26:52,550 S6: what he really wants from the relationship is a bit 585 00:26:52,550 --> 00:26:54,679 S6: of a game. This is a bit of a wacky 586 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,750 S6: theory I've got that is not based on much other 587 00:26:56,750 --> 00:27:00,260 S6: than a gut feeling when Shiv is in that crying room, 588 00:27:00,260 --> 00:27:03,139 S6: right when she's booked out to grieve and Greg and 589 00:27:03,140 --> 00:27:06,320 S6: Tom burst in on her. If you watch that again, 590 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,710 S6: Greg is showing Tom something on his phone and he's saying. 591 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,149 S2: What do you want to give me? I want to 592 00:27:11,150 --> 00:27:15,919 S2: give you a little shiv. You what? Tonight's selection. Hey, hey, hey. 593 00:27:16,190 --> 00:27:19,760 S6: And if we're putting our disgusting brothers hats back on, 594 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,650 S6: we know that there's some sort of investor party on 595 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,460 S6: that evening. A Greg and Tom. Like, just looking at 596 00:27:25,460 --> 00:27:27,230 S6: who they want to hook up with, who they want 597 00:27:27,230 --> 00:27:30,619 S6: a party with. Tom is not in the same place 598 00:27:30,619 --> 00:27:33,830 S6: Shiva's in. He's not really missing her. I don't think. 599 00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:37,550 S6: I think he's doing fine. But he's spotted Shiv in 600 00:27:37,550 --> 00:27:41,119 S6: a vulnerable state of grief, missing a father figure in 601 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,939 S6: her life. And he's decided this is my way back 602 00:27:43,940 --> 00:27:47,869 S6: into this situation. And for him, it feels quite calculated 603 00:27:47,869 --> 00:27:51,800 S6: and quite cold. And for that reason, I don't like it. Shivs, grieving, 604 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,470 S6: let her grave. I've always been like quite pro shiv. 605 00:27:54,500 --> 00:27:57,080 S6: I don't like Tom getting his claws back into her. 606 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,470 S8: That's a very dark reading of Tom, and I like it. 607 00:28:00,530 --> 00:28:01,580 S9: I'm into it. Yeah. 608 00:28:01,580 --> 00:28:03,800 S8: Yeah. Well, that's disgusting. Brothers. Here. 609 00:28:04,250 --> 00:28:06,950 S6: I'm calling on the disgusting brothers. I want them well 610 00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:08,150 S6: away from my pressure. Shiv. 611 00:28:08,150 --> 00:28:08,450 S16: Yeah. 612 00:28:09,380 --> 00:28:12,740 S8: Yeah. That's a very dark take on Tom. I think 613 00:28:12,740 --> 00:28:15,919 S8: there's definitely been a shifting of the power between them 614 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,469 S8: because for so long, we saw Shiv in complete control 615 00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:22,280 S8: of that relationship, and now we've seen Tom balance that up. 616 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,859 S8: But they're just completely mis communicating with each other. And 617 00:28:24,859 --> 00:28:26,840 S8: any time you feel like you get a sense of 618 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,149 S8: authenticity between them, like in the Crying Room when they 619 00:28:29,150 --> 00:28:31,879 S8: had that little kiss or when Tom is talking about 620 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,730 S8: how he wants to keep doing this with Shiv, it's 621 00:28:34,730 --> 00:28:38,209 S8: very quickly undercut by them putting each other down and 622 00:28:38,210 --> 00:28:40,910 S8: playing the game. Can we talk about the body scene 623 00:28:40,910 --> 00:28:41,209 S8: for a while? 624 00:28:41,210 --> 00:28:42,620 S7: I was going to say maybe that maybe the body 625 00:28:42,620 --> 00:28:44,570 S7: was the big bit of symbolism. Like he will bite 626 00:28:44,570 --> 00:28:47,719 S7: harder than she does. Yeah, yeah, that was a weird game. 627 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,420 S7: I do actually kind of really like that take like 628 00:28:50,420 --> 00:28:53,540 S7: because I didn't catch that bit of dialogue between Tom 629 00:28:53,540 --> 00:28:56,210 S7: and Greg. I didn't even pay attention to it. But 630 00:28:56,210 --> 00:28:58,430 S7: that's interesting because then later on at the party, Shiv 631 00:28:58,430 --> 00:29:00,950 S7: makes a big song and dance of saying to him like, Oh, 632 00:29:00,950 --> 00:29:02,630 S7: so like, are you scoping out like, which ones are 633 00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:04,940 S7: going to be? And he's and he's like, oh, so 634 00:29:04,940 --> 00:29:07,430 S7: pious and like, Don't be ridiculous. I'm not like that. 635 00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:09,890 S7: So it's interesting. I really thought that was a funny 636 00:29:09,890 --> 00:29:14,390 S7: scene after they sleep together. And then basically she's like, 637 00:29:14,510 --> 00:29:15,900 S7: he's and he's like, I want this. And she's like, 638 00:29:15,910 --> 00:29:18,710 S7: We shouldn't have betrayed me. Phony. And then he does 639 00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:21,290 S7: his big honest moment where he's like, Well, look, I 640 00:29:21,290 --> 00:29:23,810 S7: like money. I like my nice suits, I like my 641 00:29:23,810 --> 00:29:26,930 S7: watches and nice restaurants. And you were going to basically 642 00:29:26,930 --> 00:29:29,090 S7: leave me for nothing. And I sided with your dad 643 00:29:29,090 --> 00:29:31,219 S7: because I wanted to protect that side of me and, like, 644 00:29:31,220 --> 00:29:32,900 S7: what are you going to do? Are you going to 645 00:29:32,900 --> 00:29:33,380 S7: come and live with me? 646 00:29:34,130 --> 00:29:36,140 S6: Yeah. If you think I'm not good. Because I'm only 647 00:29:36,140 --> 00:29:37,550 S6: in it for the money, why don't you go live 648 00:29:37,550 --> 00:29:38,510 S6: like a normal person, then? 649 00:29:38,510 --> 00:29:40,880 S7: Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, you know, I'm a pig. 650 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,940 S7: You're a pig. Let's get in the mud and, like, 651 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:43,790 S7: live together forever. 652 00:29:44,030 --> 00:29:46,100 S8: I have to say, to the point about what he 653 00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:48,680 S8: was showing him on the phone, maybe when I first 654 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,310 S8: saw it, I thought that he. That Greg was showing 655 00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:55,040 S8: Tom the cuts of the video that they were making 656 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,000 S8: for Tom's presentation. And because Tom had requested certain things 657 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,850 S8: for his investor presentation, they'd gone into this side room 658 00:30:01,850 --> 00:30:04,880 S8: to discuss the manipulation that was at play. So that 659 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,150 S8: was how I read it, rather than the disgusting brother's way. 660 00:30:08,180 --> 00:30:11,180 S6: On the bigger point about like where our characters are 661 00:30:11,180 --> 00:30:13,700 S6: going and if they're developing, if they're not developing a 662 00:30:13,700 --> 00:30:17,540 S6: Shiv and Tom rekindling, if it just ends up with 663 00:30:17,540 --> 00:30:20,630 S6: them back together, like, is that satisfying? I'm wondering whether 664 00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:24,200 S6: my sense of shiv in a vulnerable state. And so 665 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,050 S6: she needs someone like Tom and alive and Tom exploiting 666 00:30:27,050 --> 00:30:29,630 S6: that and perhaps blowing up. I'm wondering whether I kind 667 00:30:29,630 --> 00:30:31,640 S6: of am theorizing that because I want that to happen, 668 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,790 S6: because I kind of just don't feel satisfied if they 669 00:30:34,790 --> 00:30:37,190 S6: end up back at square one, which is them together 670 00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:39,230 S6: in this kind of weird, toxic relationship. 671 00:30:39,230 --> 00:30:41,090 S8: But I don't think it would be square one because 672 00:30:41,090 --> 00:30:44,390 S8: they're both being up front about them, manipulation of each other. 673 00:30:44,390 --> 00:30:46,219 S8: So maybe it would be it's like an. 674 00:30:46,220 --> 00:30:47,750 S6: Acknowledgement of how transactional. 675 00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:50,300 S8: Yeah, like red flags everyone for sure. But like at 676 00:30:50,300 --> 00:30:54,410 S8: least there's more authenticity there when they're both being awful 677 00:30:54,410 --> 00:30:55,580 S8: to each other. Yeah. 678 00:30:56,090 --> 00:30:58,010 S6: The other thing I wanted to mention about this episode, 679 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,410 S6: more of a bigger picture thing, and I think it 680 00:31:00,410 --> 00:31:03,260 S6: goes to the weird tone of it, like nothing felt 681 00:31:03,260 --> 00:31:07,610 S6: quite right. The score which by the wonderful Nicholas Patel who. 682 00:31:07,790 --> 00:31:11,510 S6: We love. There was so many tracks in this episode 683 00:31:11,510 --> 00:31:13,850 S6: that had never been used before, and one really interesting 684 00:31:13,850 --> 00:31:17,180 S6: motif was that instead of those keys that we hear 685 00:31:17,180 --> 00:31:21,140 S6: at different sort of paces and different tones that indicate 686 00:31:21,140 --> 00:31:23,150 S6: what's going, it's all sort of a variation on the theme. 687 00:31:23,150 --> 00:31:24,950 S6: We had none of that. We actually had most of 688 00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:27,560 S6: the theme replaced with strings, and some of them were 689 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,530 S6: quite mournful and slow and some of them were quite piercing. 690 00:31:30,530 --> 00:31:33,860 S6: And like you hear that in like horror movies, you 691 00:31:33,860 --> 00:31:38,270 S6: hear that kind of tone in really sad, mournful funeral settings. 692 00:31:38,270 --> 00:31:41,720 S6: We haven't had the Logan funeral yet. It added to 693 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,410 S6: this sense, I think, of like everything crumbling around them, 694 00:31:45,410 --> 00:31:48,770 S6: and I am starting to think more and more. I 695 00:31:48,770 --> 00:31:50,750 S6: guess we've been talking about this in the last few 696 00:31:50,750 --> 00:31:54,740 S6: episodes anyway, but like maybe when we're talking about the 697 00:31:54,740 --> 00:31:57,710 S6: siblings this much, we're missing what's happening broader. The siblings 698 00:31:57,710 --> 00:32:00,650 S6: think that everything that's happening, their world is working. They're 699 00:32:00,650 --> 00:32:05,030 S6: getting results while everything else is disappearing. Like there may 700 00:32:05,030 --> 00:32:07,910 S6: not be a waster by the end of this season. 701 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,920 S6: There may not be anything left for them to inherit 702 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,400 S6: because they're making so many stupid decisions and that might 703 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:14,680 S6: be where things are heading. 704 00:32:14,690 --> 00:32:16,640 S8: Yeah. And I thought one of the through lines of 705 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:22,310 S8: this episode was what is negotiating strategy and what is 706 00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:25,670 S8: erratic behavior? And that kind of flows through to all 707 00:32:25,670 --> 00:32:29,660 S8: of them. And maybe Jesse Armstrong's point, if the genius 708 00:32:29,660 --> 00:32:34,580 S8: Jesse Armstrong is that that line isn't really there and 709 00:32:34,580 --> 00:32:36,950 S8: that capitalism, if you want to go real big picture, 710 00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:41,900 S8: makes humans snowballs of these people. So yeah, I kind 711 00:32:41,900 --> 00:32:45,050 S8: of agree with you that that sense of disaster is 712 00:32:45,050 --> 00:32:46,310 S8: bigger than just waystar. 713 00:32:49,900 --> 00:32:53,550 S6: All right. Time for our best lines from this episode. Mel, 714 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,720 S6: you get the honor of going first. What have you 715 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:56,310 S6: got first? 716 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,710 S8: Thank you so much. This is when Roman and Kendall 717 00:32:59,710 --> 00:33:03,640 S8: are having a chat. They're talking about Living Plus and 718 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,800 S8: how they're going to deal with it and what it 719 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,470 S8: could become, the potential it could become. And Roman says 720 00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:10,630 S8: to Kendall, They're talking about death. 721 00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:13,000 S9: Yeah, death. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, 722 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,630 S9: get loaded onto a chip and fired up someone's ass 723 00:33:16,780 --> 00:33:19,030 S9: floating around as a gas, living a tortoise. I don't know. 724 00:33:19,090 --> 00:33:21,130 S9: There's got to be ways through. Death. Just feels very 725 00:33:21,130 --> 00:33:23,110 S9: one size fits all. Yeah. 726 00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:25,900 S8: Yeah. And I like that. On the surface, this line 727 00:33:25,900 --> 00:33:29,050 S8: kind of hints at their sense of their exceptionalism that 728 00:33:29,050 --> 00:33:31,720 S8: they can avoid death and death is an affront to them, 729 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,910 S8: and also that they can outrun it because of their 730 00:33:33,910 --> 00:33:37,000 S8: money and power. So I like that as a humorous point. 731 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,700 S8: But then also there was something mournful about it. There 732 00:33:39,700 --> 00:33:40,420 S8: was this idea that. 733 00:33:40,420 --> 00:33:42,340 S6: Thinking about death because their dad's gone, right? 734 00:33:42,350 --> 00:33:44,380 S8: That's yeah. And also when you think about death, you 735 00:33:44,380 --> 00:33:46,150 S8: kind of have to think about your own life. And 736 00:33:46,150 --> 00:33:48,940 S8: I don't think that's a reckoning either of them are 737 00:33:48,940 --> 00:33:49,600 S8: ready to have. 738 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,180 S6: Yeah, yeah. Particularly Kendall, who seems to have flirted with 739 00:33:52,180 --> 00:33:53,500 S6: this question a bit more. 740 00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:55,660 S8: Yeah, well, he will always have these art, won't he? 741 00:33:57,370 --> 00:33:58,240 S6: Thomas, what are you. 742 00:33:58,390 --> 00:34:02,350 S7: Yes. I didn't think this was a good episode for lines. 743 00:34:02,350 --> 00:34:03,310 S7: Nothing jumped out. Oh, have. 744 00:34:03,310 --> 00:34:05,680 S8: We had that for the last 3 or 4 episodes 745 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:06,370 S8: or what? 746 00:34:06,490 --> 00:34:08,080 S7: Yeah, the writing's really poor on this show. It's crazy. 747 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,040 S7: I should look into it. No, obviously, it's great. 748 00:34:10,210 --> 00:34:12,400 S6: Jesse Armstrong hasn't given you that cold. You keep asking. 749 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,410 S7: I know. Just. Jesse, I've just got some feedback that 750 00:34:14,410 --> 00:34:17,469 S7: I would love to give him. Frank, I think that 751 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,650 S7: I mean, you know, normally when it comes to an episode, 752 00:34:20,650 --> 00:34:22,570 S7: it's very obvious. Like there's like 3 or 4 to 753 00:34:22,570 --> 00:34:24,220 S7: pick from. I had to really struggle. But there's one 754 00:34:24,219 --> 00:34:26,410 S7: thing that really did make me laugh this week was 755 00:34:26,410 --> 00:34:29,890 S7: just as Kendall took to the stage to begin his presentation, 756 00:34:29,890 --> 00:34:32,200 S7: and as we said before, it kind of started shaky. 757 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,719 S7: And he's like big shoes, big shoes. 758 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,600 S2: Big, big shoes, Big, big, big shoes. 759 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,310 S7: And he just keeps repeating it. And then we cut 760 00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:45,670 S7: back to the guys watching the room behind the scenes. 761 00:34:45,670 --> 00:34:47,800 S7: And Roman says, Big. 762 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,920 S9: Shoes, big hat, big nervous breakdown. 763 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:51,610 S16: Breakdown. 764 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,310 S7: Because that's kind of what's happening. You lucky Kendall about 765 00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:56,739 S7: to like, fucking implode here. So that really made me laugh, 766 00:34:56,739 --> 00:34:58,540 S7: I think just like the rhythm of like the repetition 767 00:34:58,540 --> 00:35:00,580 S7: of big was, was very funny, very Roman. That was 768 00:35:00,580 --> 00:35:01,360 S7: my line of the week. 769 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,000 S6: My one is when Jerry and Roman are having their 770 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,029 S6: fight and Roman is kind of firing her. That's kind 771 00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:09,219 S6: of a bit what's really going on. And he kind. 772 00:35:09,219 --> 00:35:09,969 S7: Of walks it back. 773 00:35:09,969 --> 00:35:13,120 S6: Later. He does walk it back and Jerry says to Roman, 774 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,170 S6: You know, you're not your dad. 775 00:35:14,170 --> 00:35:17,620 S15: You are a weak monarch in a dangerous interregnum. And 776 00:35:17,620 --> 00:35:19,150 S15: I think you need to reconsider. 777 00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:21,400 S6: I love that because I love the word interregnum. I 778 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:22,900 S6: don't think I've ever heard it said out loud. 779 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,150 S8: I had to listen to it like a few times 780 00:35:25,150 --> 00:35:26,560 S8: to hear what that word was. 781 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,780 S6: They use words in this show that are so good 782 00:35:28,780 --> 00:35:30,520 S6: because I feel like smart writers are coming up with 783 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,580 S6: them and literally no one has said that stuff before. 784 00:35:33,730 --> 00:35:35,020 S7: Dramaturgical Yeah. 785 00:35:35,739 --> 00:35:37,600 S8: I feel like my line was too serious. 786 00:35:38,770 --> 00:35:39,960 S16: No, that's good. I kind of think. 787 00:35:40,300 --> 00:35:42,520 S6: It's like on Mike or off. Mike Yeah. 788 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:43,690 S8: Maybe a bit of both. 789 00:35:46,780 --> 00:35:48,940 S6: I feel like that line is a good moment to 790 00:35:48,940 --> 00:35:53,620 S6: pivot to. Jerry watch. Which I mean, basically that is 791 00:35:53,620 --> 00:35:56,770 S6: her main moment in this episode where she confronts Roman 792 00:35:56,770 --> 00:35:59,350 S6: for firing joy and starts giving him a bit of 793 00:35:59,350 --> 00:36:01,870 S6: a dressing down Roman kind of almost to his credit, 794 00:36:01,870 --> 00:36:04,569 S6: like does he pushes back. I feel like there's an 795 00:36:04,570 --> 00:36:06,850 S6: earlier version of Roman where he would have just copped it. 796 00:36:06,850 --> 00:36:10,029 S6: But again, it's just like is underlining this point again 797 00:36:10,030 --> 00:36:11,860 S6: and again. I my dad, you've got to treat me 798 00:36:11,860 --> 00:36:14,800 S6: like my dad. And she literally says this was just discussed. 799 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,560 S6: You're not your dad and kind of gets fired. But 800 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,140 S6: we've said this before. She's the eternal survivor. She'll be 801 00:36:20,140 --> 00:36:20,680 S6: back next year. 802 00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:23,320 S7: Yeah, it's interesting. Once again, she survives, she gets fired. 803 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,690 S7: And this is something which obviously we'll hear when you 804 00:36:25,690 --> 00:36:27,520 S7: stay on to listen to my chat with Peter Friedman, 805 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,110 S7: who plays Frank. But one of the points he made, 806 00:36:29,110 --> 00:36:31,510 S7: he was like, Frank, he gets fired in the pilot 807 00:36:32,050 --> 00:36:35,169 S7: and he gets fired like ten episodes later. He's like 808 00:36:35,170 --> 00:36:37,600 S7: these people who've been around Logan, Roy, like Frank and 809 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,300 S7: Carl and Jerry, they are like survivors and the company 810 00:36:40,300 --> 00:36:42,280 S7: needs them a lot. And so there's a reason we're 811 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:43,989 S7: all still there. And I think that's very true of Jerry, 812 00:36:43,989 --> 00:36:47,260 S7: perhaps more than anyone. She was literally fired and rehired 813 00:36:47,260 --> 00:36:48,820 S7: in the same episode last night. So. 814 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,290 S6: Thomas, this used to be fun fact corner, but now 815 00:36:53,290 --> 00:36:58,020 S6: it's basically Thomas. Fact corner. Note the lack of fun. 816 00:36:59,489 --> 00:37:00,359 S16: Inside the mind. 817 00:37:01,230 --> 00:37:02,700 S6: Tell us what you've got this week. 818 00:37:02,940 --> 00:37:05,760 S7: Yes, My fun fact relates to a big moment in 819 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:11,130 S7: the episode when Madison decides to torpedo the, I guess, 820 00:37:11,130 --> 00:37:14,370 S7: launch of Living Plus, by sending out a tweet designed 821 00:37:14,370 --> 00:37:18,210 S7: to basically tank the share price and make Waystar and 822 00:37:18,210 --> 00:37:22,440 S7: Kendall look stupid and he tweets a picture of a dog. Now, 823 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,900 S7: I had to pause this because, you know, it was 824 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,149 S7: it was a flash. But basically he tweeted a picture 825 00:37:27,150 --> 00:37:32,730 S7: of a dog and the text says Dordrecht marked free. Now, 826 00:37:32,730 --> 00:37:34,050 S7: there's a lot going on here that we need to. 827 00:37:34,050 --> 00:37:34,890 S16: Discuss going on here. 828 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,230 S8: I'm excited to hear this. 829 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:43,129 S7: Yes. So for those playing at home. Goderich is one 830 00:37:43,130 --> 00:37:45,350 S7: of the Waystar mascots. You can find him in the 831 00:37:45,350 --> 00:37:47,810 S7: Bright Star, like kind of theme parks. And we see 832 00:37:47,810 --> 00:37:49,640 S7: him actually in the very first episode. Cousin Greg is 833 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,710 S7: dressed up as Rick and he smokes a joint and 834 00:37:51,710 --> 00:37:53,899 S7: vomits in the head. We also actually see a little 835 00:37:53,900 --> 00:37:55,850 S7: snippet of Rick, as you may have caught in this 836 00:37:55,850 --> 00:37:58,040 S7: episode as they're heading into the investor conference. There's a 837 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,920 S7: there's like a movie poster. It's Rick and Friends coming 838 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,820 S7: this spring. Also, for those wondering, Rick's friends are Snow, 839 00:38:04,820 --> 00:38:08,000 S7: Joe and Dirk, the turkey duck The turkey. Yes. And 840 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,790 S7: so once again, I'm delivering maybe not so fun fact, 841 00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:13,140 S7: but a fact on the list, obviously direct Mark Fryer 842 00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:16,310 S7: means direct will set you free. The slogan coming, you 843 00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:18,580 S7: know from the show. 844 00:38:18,650 --> 00:38:18,950 S6: Yeah. 845 00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:22,069 S7: Concentration camp during the Holocaust. So I mean a very 846 00:38:22,070 --> 00:38:26,270 S7: dark kind of message from Madsen. And I just thought 847 00:38:26,270 --> 00:38:29,660 S7: it was, you know, hilarious that this big waystar investor 848 00:38:29,660 --> 00:38:32,089 S7: meeting was derailed by, you know, a kind of crazy 849 00:38:32,090 --> 00:38:34,460 S7: tweet from this genius tech investor. 850 00:38:34,590 --> 00:38:36,710 S6: Yeah, what a crazy thing that would never happen in 851 00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:39,320 S6: the real world. Exactly. You know, the show we've talked about, 852 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,440 S6: the comparisons between the kids and like the Murdochs and 853 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,740 S6: those families. I feel like the Madsen character is a composite. 854 00:38:45,739 --> 00:38:48,290 S6: There's no one for one. But when he's this like, 855 00:38:48,290 --> 00:38:50,330 S6: genius guy who's a bit of a weirdo, which is 856 00:38:50,330 --> 00:38:53,719 S6: an actual phrase that Jerry uses and he's tweeting during 857 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,140 S6: stuff like this that feels very Elon Musk basically to 858 00:38:57,140 --> 00:38:59,600 S6: the extent that like Elon Musk would also probably tweet 859 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,240 S6: a Holocaust joke and not really think twice about it. 860 00:39:06,100 --> 00:39:08,799 S6: All right. Time for winners and losers. I personally found 861 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,989 S6: this one to be a pretty tricky one because I 862 00:39:10,989 --> 00:39:13,690 S6: think everyone who looked like they were winning, I'm not 863 00:39:13,690 --> 00:39:17,379 S6: totally sure they were. I ended up giving Tom my 864 00:39:17,380 --> 00:39:22,310 S6: three points. Just because if the relationship with Shiv is real, 865 00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:25,940 S6: even if he's got ulterior motives, he's back in the game. 866 00:39:25,940 --> 00:39:29,270 S6: He's back sleeping with the woman that he says he loves. 867 00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:32,450 S6: And he's close to someone who's pretty powerful at the moment. 868 00:39:32,510 --> 00:39:35,300 S6: Two points to Kendall. The only reason I didn't give 869 00:39:35,300 --> 00:39:37,040 S6: my three is because I am a little bit sus 870 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,790 S6: on the likelihood of him going to prison very, very soon. 871 00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:42,920 S6: And I gave one point to Shiv because she seemed 872 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,970 S6: to be successfully managing her relationship with both the siblings 873 00:39:46,969 --> 00:39:49,460 S6: and Mattson and is in a pretty good position. My 874 00:39:49,460 --> 00:39:52,250 S6: loser was was Roman. I just feel like he was erratic. 875 00:39:52,250 --> 00:39:54,800 S6: He was losing his mind. He was making bad calls 876 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,980 S6: and is now marginalized because Kendall's getting all the kudos 877 00:39:57,980 --> 00:40:02,420 S6: for pulling off the investor briefing. Mel, run me through yours. 878 00:40:02,450 --> 00:40:06,170 S8: I gave three points to Tom. He had the hard 879 00:40:06,170 --> 00:40:09,980 S8: job of following Kendall, who literally promised eternal life. But 880 00:40:09,980 --> 00:40:12,290 S8: I also like that he had his own moment where 881 00:40:12,290 --> 00:40:14,569 S8: he was like, You're an ATM citizen and you're an 882 00:40:14,570 --> 00:40:17,870 S8: ATM citizen and I'm an ATN citizen. So I thought 883 00:40:17,870 --> 00:40:20,060 S8: that was very funny. So three points to him. Also, 884 00:40:20,060 --> 00:40:23,509 S8: he knows how to use the teleprompter. Great. Shiv gets 885 00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:28,339 S8: two points from me because I like the idea of 886 00:40:28,340 --> 00:40:31,520 S8: her scheduling, crying time and having a crying room. Unlike 887 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,610 S8: her brothers, Roman's taking his emotions out all over the place. 888 00:40:34,610 --> 00:40:37,910 S8: Kendall's like commercializing it on stage. Shiv is just. 889 00:40:38,750 --> 00:40:39,410 S6: Scheduling her. 890 00:40:39,410 --> 00:40:41,930 S8: Grief. Yeah, it's nice and contained. It's manageable. It's not 891 00:40:41,930 --> 00:40:44,840 S8: flowing out on everyone else. And then I gave one 892 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:49,040 S8: point to Carl and his golden parachute. First. I think 893 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,799 S8: he had a really good flex with with Kendall, which 894 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,799 S8: I enjoyed. He said, Oh, fucking squeal. And he also 895 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,930 S8: escaped the knowledge of the numbers. So I think he's 896 00:40:56,930 --> 00:41:00,200 S8: in a pretty good spot. And my loser was Logan Roy, 897 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,380 S8: because his children are jokes. They are not serious people. 898 00:41:03,380 --> 00:41:05,480 S7: I love how you just refused to let Roman lose. 899 00:41:07,070 --> 00:41:09,200 S8: I'm glad we've got Logan also. 900 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,739 S6: Loser because he's still dead. Yeah. 901 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,799 S8: He's not back to life. Maybe this is me believing 902 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,000 S8: in character development. 903 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:14,330 S16: Yeah. 904 00:41:15,140 --> 00:41:16,430 S6: Thomas. Yes. 905 00:41:16,430 --> 00:41:19,250 S7: I was kind of similar to you guys, but a mix. 906 00:41:19,340 --> 00:41:22,820 S7: So I gave Kendall my three, you know, he did 907 00:41:22,820 --> 00:41:25,549 S7: really well at that investor meeting. He then had to 908 00:41:25,550 --> 00:41:29,359 S7: deal with like a mid presentation tweet. And again, like 909 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,430 S7: the most composed we've seen him, he he's like, Well, 910 00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:33,620 S7: I'm not going to favor it like he was charming. 911 00:41:34,010 --> 00:41:36,770 S7: Yeah it was a great line. And yeah, ultimately in 912 00:41:36,770 --> 00:41:39,140 S7: what was this weird succession episode that we should never 913 00:41:39,140 --> 00:41:42,380 S7: talk about again, he came out on top. Tom, similar 914 00:41:42,380 --> 00:41:44,870 S7: to you. You know, he he's kind of still playing 915 00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:48,170 S7: all these different sides and he's now back in with Shiv. 916 00:41:48,170 --> 00:41:49,850 S7: He seems to be in a pretty sweet spot. And 917 00:41:49,850 --> 00:41:51,890 S7: also he's kind of called a spade a spade and 918 00:41:51,890 --> 00:41:55,239 S7: you can't fault that. And then I gave Jerry one because, 919 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:56,979 S7: I mean, if you get fired and rehired in one episode, 920 00:41:56,980 --> 00:41:59,739 S7: I think that's pretty impressive. And my Big Fat Loser 921 00:41:59,739 --> 00:42:03,100 S7: was Roman because, yeah, I mean, let's be honest, he 922 00:42:03,100 --> 00:42:05,320 S7: totally cooked it. This episode, second episode in a row, 923 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:06,730 S7: his emotions got the better of him. I know this 924 00:42:06,730 --> 00:42:10,250 S7: breaks your heart, Mel, but, yeah, Roman is unraveling. He's. 925 00:42:10,270 --> 00:42:11,640 S7: He's actually going for Kendall. 926 00:42:11,650 --> 00:42:13,570 S8: Well, we'll see when he doesn't go to jail. 927 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,410 S6: So Tom has overtaken Shiv on our tally, but she's 928 00:42:17,410 --> 00:42:21,310 S6: right behind him. So the power couple still looking pretty good. 929 00:42:21,610 --> 00:42:25,330 S6: Time for predictions for next week. Mel, what have you got? 930 00:42:25,420 --> 00:42:27,730 S8: Okay. Well, firstly, we did say this last week, but 931 00:42:27,730 --> 00:42:31,480 S8: they've got to take Logan's body out of the fridge soon, right? 932 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,210 S8: There's got to be a funeral. So I do still 933 00:42:34,210 --> 00:42:37,480 S8: think that that episode is hopefully coming. I also wonder 934 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,610 S8: whether they keep flagging and they've flagged it for a 935 00:42:39,610 --> 00:42:43,990 S8: few episodes now. ATM's links with the presidential campaign and 936 00:42:43,989 --> 00:42:47,350 S8: its rightward Lean Joey was bringing it up. It's filtering 937 00:42:47,350 --> 00:42:50,589 S8: through and then Tom has flagged with Shiv should we 938 00:42:50,590 --> 00:42:54,820 S8: hold Logan's election party? So I wonder if that storyline 939 00:42:54,820 --> 00:42:57,310 S8: is going to come to fruition in the next episode? 940 00:42:57,460 --> 00:43:02,739 S6: Yeah, I mean, between ATN leaking stuff to Jared Mencken 941 00:43:02,739 --> 00:43:06,730 S6: and all these SEC violations, I'm more and more of 942 00:43:06,730 --> 00:43:09,730 S6: the view. This is my prediction that bad things are 943 00:43:09,730 --> 00:43:12,580 S6: going to happen. Like there was a whole storyline last 944 00:43:12,580 --> 00:43:16,089 S6: season about a DOJ investigation. It would be weird for 945 00:43:16,270 --> 00:43:18,489 S6: the writers to just pretend that that doesn't exist and 946 00:43:18,489 --> 00:43:20,560 S6: the kids are immune. Like I just think that we're 947 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:25,029 S6: building up to the company potentially being like compulsorily acquired 948 00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:27,400 S6: and shut down and people being sent to jail. I 949 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,250 S6: think in a in a weird twist it might be 950 00:43:30,250 --> 00:43:32,410 S6: all these greybeards who are doing their best to keep 951 00:43:32,410 --> 00:43:36,160 S6: things like Roman mentioned to Jerry, Hey, you know, I 952 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:37,750 S6: could just come up with the excuse that you messed 953 00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:39,670 S6: up the Cruz's thing and sort of get you out 954 00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:42,819 S6: of here for that. I think we're heading towards something 955 00:43:42,820 --> 00:43:45,820 S6: grimmer than I would have thought, which is prison time. 956 00:43:45,820 --> 00:43:48,220 S6: And and a lot of people getting screwed over. 957 00:43:48,219 --> 00:43:49,840 S8: And I have one hope that I'd like to add, 958 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,510 S8: not a prediction, but I hope Godric doesn't get caught 959 00:43:52,510 --> 00:43:55,569 S8: up in this poor Holocaust joke because like, we saw 960 00:43:55,570 --> 00:43:57,790 S8: what happened to Pepe the Frog, he got. 961 00:43:58,180 --> 00:44:00,010 S6: Doddering becomes a far right. Me Oh. 962 00:44:00,010 --> 00:44:02,259 S8: My God. That's very. I really hope that doesn't happen. 963 00:44:02,260 --> 00:44:04,210 S6: That's so good. Thomas, what have you got? 964 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,570 S7: Well, firstly, my first prediction was to sue for defamation, 965 00:44:08,110 --> 00:44:13,330 S7: so that's me sorted. Just on that, though, quickly, I 966 00:44:13,330 --> 00:44:16,000 S7: reckon Kendall would absolutely crush it in prison. 967 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,880 S8: I think it's the kind of routine and structure that 968 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:19,500 S8: he needs. 969 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,029 S7: Yeah. So if that's the way it goes, then, you know, 970 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:22,630 S7: I can can do. 971 00:44:22,930 --> 00:44:24,250 S6: My thing is, I don't think the kids are going 972 00:44:24,250 --> 00:44:26,800 S6: to prison. I feel like I feel like that's not 973 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,229 S6: what happens to those. Of course not. These guys live 974 00:44:29,230 --> 00:44:31,840 S6: great lives and everyone around them who was their political 975 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,339 S6: cover ends up. Yeah, yeah. 976 00:44:33,340 --> 00:44:37,480 S7: Look, it's really I found this episode obviously troubling, as 977 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,520 S7: we've made clear, and I found it hard to do 978 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,470 S7: predictions based off of it. But then I just had 979 00:44:41,469 --> 00:44:44,410 S7: this weird flash, and this will probably be another moment 980 00:44:44,410 --> 00:44:45,580 S7: where you guys make fun of me. And then in 981 00:44:45,580 --> 00:44:47,560 S7: two episodes you're like, Thomas is a genius. We should 982 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,890 S7: have respected him more. The I found the ending of 983 00:44:50,890 --> 00:44:53,980 S7: this episode really strange. Obviously we had the siblings all 984 00:44:53,980 --> 00:44:55,940 S7: separate again, which happens a lot at the end of 985 00:44:55,940 --> 00:44:58,489 S7: the episodes, especially this season. Kendall was like, you know, 986 00:44:58,540 --> 00:45:01,149 S7: having his Eat Pray Love moment in the Ocean and 987 00:45:01,150 --> 00:45:03,279 S7: Ship and Tom are coming back together. I found Roman 988 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,550 S7: the most curious, like listening to that doctored tape, you know, 989 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,370 S7: And he was obviously having a lot of head noise, 990 00:45:09,370 --> 00:45:11,980 S7: this episode about his journey and stuff. And then I 991 00:45:11,980 --> 00:45:14,530 S7: just had this weird flash of like, Could we see 992 00:45:14,530 --> 00:45:17,560 S7: Roman and Madison link up? 993 00:45:17,860 --> 00:45:20,110 S8: Wow. Oh, here we go. You're suddenly showing a lot 994 00:45:20,110 --> 00:45:22,090 S8: of credit in Rome like you're giving Roman. Well, I 995 00:45:22,090 --> 00:45:22,839 S8: just thought, you know. 996 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,660 S7: Originally he was the one that Madison wanted to work with. Yeah. 997 00:45:25,780 --> 00:45:28,270 S7: I feel like Roman's getting annoyed at Kendall. And there's 998 00:45:28,270 --> 00:45:30,430 S7: another moment in the episode where Kendall calls himself SEO 999 00:45:30,430 --> 00:45:32,859 S7: and then catches himself and says, co-CEO. And I just 1000 00:45:32,860 --> 00:45:34,779 S7: think maybe things are going to start to unravel and 1001 00:45:34,780 --> 00:45:36,759 S7: maybe Roman will be like, You know what? Dad wanted 1002 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,350 S7: to do this deal and I was helping him do 1003 00:45:38,350 --> 00:45:41,140 S7: it with Madison. Maybe I will like finish the legacy 1004 00:45:41,140 --> 00:45:42,970 S7: and maybe I will link up with Lucas, and that's 1005 00:45:42,969 --> 00:45:45,040 S7: what should happen. So I don't know, watch this space. 1006 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,150 S16: But yeah. 1007 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,520 S6: First, yeah, I think you're right in that it's a 1008 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,790 S6: hard episode to draw much from because it felt like 1009 00:45:51,790 --> 00:45:54,219 S6: a little bit messy and it wasn't quite sure what 1010 00:45:54,219 --> 00:45:56,439 S6: it was saying about each of the characters, but Thomas 1011 00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,420 S6: and Mel, thank you as always. 1012 00:45:58,420 --> 00:46:00,400 S8: I'm looking forward to having you over in my new 1013 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:01,630 S8: Living Plus home. 1014 00:46:02,350 --> 00:46:03,880 S7: I can't wait. I can't wait to live for the 1015 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,140 S7: next 50,000 years. 1016 00:46:05,140 --> 00:46:08,650 S6: Let's check out Thomas's interview with Peter Friedman, who plays Frank. 1017 00:46:15,780 --> 00:46:16,439 S7: How's your day? 1018 00:46:18,070 --> 00:46:22,210 S4: It's it's swell right now. We're just reaping the benefits 1019 00:46:22,210 --> 00:46:25,270 S4: of the current season and enjoying ourselves, you know? 1020 00:46:25,330 --> 00:46:27,700 S7: Yeah. After I finished talking to you, I'm about to 1021 00:46:27,700 --> 00:46:30,339 S7: watch episode six, so yeah. 1022 00:46:30,850 --> 00:46:34,120 S4: It'll be there. You know, it's like. It's like I 1023 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:38,500 S4: never remember what happened in an episode. It's, it's amazing. 1024 00:46:38,620 --> 00:46:41,589 S4: KNOW Yeah, It's like, it's like home movies when I 1025 00:46:41,590 --> 00:46:42,520 S4: watch them, you know. 1026 00:46:42,969 --> 00:46:45,790 S7: Actually, weirdly, the episode opens, I think with Logan. So 1027 00:46:45,790 --> 00:46:47,650 S7: that was quite weird to see because I was like, Oh, 1028 00:46:47,650 --> 00:46:48,700 S7: he's back, He's back again. 1029 00:46:48,700 --> 00:46:52,240 S4: Oh, that's right. It's the Jeremy's presentation. 1030 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:53,410 S7: Yeah, yeah. 1031 00:46:54,070 --> 00:46:54,640 S4: That's right. 1032 00:46:55,060 --> 00:46:56,920 S7: I mean, it was strange to see Logan, and I 1033 00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,379 S7: guess it's a good place to start. I mean, it 1034 00:46:59,380 --> 00:47:02,680 S7: was such a brave call to take out this enormous, 1035 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,440 S7: you know, monolith of the show. And I was really 1036 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,690 S7: curious because, you know, you were on the plane. That 1037 00:47:07,690 --> 00:47:10,750 S7: was such a scene that really, you know, it was 1038 00:47:10,750 --> 00:47:13,060 S7: it was a pretty incredible piece of TV writing and 1039 00:47:13,060 --> 00:47:14,950 S7: filming and production. What was it like to kind of 1040 00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:16,930 S7: be a part of that plane scene? 1041 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:22,110 S4: It was sort of went together with the wedding scene. Um, 1042 00:47:22,570 --> 00:47:26,440 S4: in both cases, the people who weren't on the set 1043 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:32,260 S4: that day were nearby on a phone. In our case, 1044 00:47:32,260 --> 00:47:34,930 S4: for for the yacht, they had David Roche and me 1045 00:47:34,930 --> 00:47:40,300 S4: and Matt Macfadyen from England on, on a hookup somewhere 1046 00:47:40,300 --> 00:47:42,850 S4: in the back of the boat with a tech person 1047 00:47:42,850 --> 00:47:45,940 S4: and a sound person. And we were just there for 1048 00:47:45,940 --> 00:47:49,510 S4: the entire day, you know, phoning in our, our responses 1049 00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:52,240 S4: in live time. And I think those guys did the 1050 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:53,770 S4: same on the other side. 1051 00:47:53,770 --> 00:47:56,120 S7: Yeah, it was it was pretty incredible. And, you know, 1052 00:47:56,140 --> 00:47:58,210 S7: it was funny. It's one of those things that, you know, 1053 00:47:58,660 --> 00:48:00,670 S7: Frank says a line, I think, on the phone where 1054 00:48:00,670 --> 00:48:02,410 S7: he talks about having, you know, 40 years of history 1055 00:48:02,410 --> 00:48:05,440 S7: and you kind of forget that everything that predates the 1056 00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,859 S7: show because, you know, we don't really get an insight 1057 00:48:08,860 --> 00:48:10,750 S7: into that. But, I mean, did you have to kind 1058 00:48:10,750 --> 00:48:14,110 S7: of consider that before filming because you were like, you know, 1059 00:48:14,110 --> 00:48:16,210 S7: this is going to be a character who will be sad, 1060 00:48:16,210 --> 00:48:18,310 S7: as awful as these people are to one another? 1061 00:48:18,610 --> 00:48:23,469 S4: Yeah, I feel like his and Logan's relationship goes back 1062 00:48:23,469 --> 00:48:28,030 S4: that far and that things were tight in the early days. 1063 00:48:28,030 --> 00:48:31,270 S4: But as we've seen in the past four seasons, things 1064 00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:35,770 S4: got long here and wonky as as he devolved and 1065 00:48:35,770 --> 00:48:40,239 S4: as Frank sort of sided with Kendall a few times and, 1066 00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,940 S4: you know, got bounced around a bit. But he still 1067 00:48:42,940 --> 00:48:46,990 S4: has an abiding love for the guy, clearly, you know, 1068 00:48:46,989 --> 00:48:50,170 S4: and for all that they've been through together. But we 1069 00:48:50,170 --> 00:48:53,290 S4: don't get to see what they've been through together. Yeah. 1070 00:48:53,650 --> 00:48:56,460 S7: Yeah. And I guess that's the interesting thing. It's like there's, 1071 00:48:56,469 --> 00:48:58,510 S7: there's so much kind of beneath the surface happening in 1072 00:48:58,510 --> 00:49:01,930 S7: succession and, you know, it's true. Frankie is really the 1073 00:49:01,930 --> 00:49:04,000 S7: ultimate survivor. I think he's been fired twice now on 1074 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,130 S7: the show. Like he gets fired in the first episode. 1075 00:49:06,500 --> 00:49:09,190 S4: He thought I thought it would be the making of 1076 00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:11,530 S4: me when I got fired during the pilot, I thought, 1077 00:49:11,530 --> 00:49:13,270 S4: he's the guy with the secrets. He knows where the 1078 00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:17,230 S4: bodies are buried, what's going to happen. But that's regular television, 1079 00:49:17,230 --> 00:49:17,910 S4: you know? Yeah. 1080 00:49:18,430 --> 00:49:22,000 S7: And succession has proven that it's a different beast. But, 1081 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,340 S7: you know, there must be something about Frank that that 1082 00:49:24,340 --> 00:49:27,160 S7: makes him so affable and so likable and he's able 1083 00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,489 S7: to kind of stick around. It's funny because, I mean, 1084 00:49:30,489 --> 00:49:31,960 S7: for you as an actor, how did you go about 1085 00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:36,280 S7: approaching this character who has become increasingly crucial, especially in 1086 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,640 S7: this season, to, I guess, like the crux of the show? 1087 00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,100 S7: But in the early days, we don't get a lot 1088 00:49:42,100 --> 00:49:43,239 S7: about him, you know. 1089 00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:45,460 S4: In the early days and in the current days. Yes, 1090 00:49:45,460 --> 00:49:50,020 S4: I'm mystified. Why is this guy who seems who we 1091 00:49:50,020 --> 00:49:54,970 S4: have not actually seen do anything terrible, why is he 1092 00:49:54,969 --> 00:49:58,239 S4: hanging with these people over and over again? He's been fired, 1093 00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:03,279 S4: as you say, by go play golf, go have a life. No, 1094 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:08,410 S4: I'm coming back to these pirates. What's that about? I 1095 00:50:08,410 --> 00:50:11,350 S4: don't know either. Yeah. 1096 00:50:11,710 --> 00:50:13,360 S7: Do you have a theory? On what? What is Frank 1097 00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,700 S7: to some kind of, like, glutton for punishment or. He 1098 00:50:15,700 --> 00:50:17,230 S7: likes to be close to power. 1099 00:50:18,430 --> 00:50:22,299 S4: He certainly must. Must like, a certain excitement about it. Right. 1100 00:50:22,300 --> 00:50:26,230 S4: But maybe he's also he also feels that he can 1101 00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:29,980 S4: put the brakes on nastiness if he's around there. You know, 1102 00:50:29,980 --> 00:50:32,710 S4: maybe he feels he can traffic cop it in some way. 1103 00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:37,420 S4: I don't know. That's that's probably not a a valid point, 1104 00:50:37,420 --> 00:50:40,870 S4: but I just feel like he does seem like he's moral. 1105 00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:43,270 S4: I have not seen anything that makes me feel like 1106 00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:44,319 S4: he's been a bad boy. 1107 00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:46,870 S7: No, I kind of tend to agree with you. And 1108 00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:49,930 S7: and if anything, he you know, look, succession is a 1109 00:50:49,930 --> 00:50:52,850 S7: show that I think. Kind of lives and dies on 1110 00:50:52,850 --> 00:50:57,320 S7: it's snarkiness and and it's become so beloved for the 1111 00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,570 S7: incredibly sharp writing. But this season there have been some 1112 00:50:59,570 --> 00:51:02,029 S7: really tender moments and Frank has been a part of 1113 00:51:02,030 --> 00:51:03,170 S7: a lot of those. I thought it was like a 1114 00:51:03,170 --> 00:51:06,390 S7: really beautiful scene between you and Jeremy. You know, I 1115 00:51:06,410 --> 00:51:08,900 S7: think Kendall says, like, you know, did he even like me? 1116 00:51:08,900 --> 00:51:10,490 S7: And Frank says, you know, he was an old bastard, 1117 00:51:10,489 --> 00:51:12,020 S7: but he loved you. And that was like a very 1118 00:51:12,020 --> 00:51:14,580 S7: beautiful moment between the two of them. And, you know, 1119 00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,580 S7: Kendall and Frank is one of the more kind of 1120 00:51:16,580 --> 00:51:20,570 S7: interesting relationships on the show. You know, you are his godfather. 1121 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,149 S7: There is seems to be a genuine affection there, which 1122 00:51:23,150 --> 00:51:25,460 S7: is rare in a land which everyone's kind of like 1123 00:51:25,460 --> 00:51:26,450 S7: out for each other. 1124 00:51:26,780 --> 00:51:31,359 S4: Right. And he comes back to Frank. Sort of when 1125 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,540 S4: he needs that that encouragement in a warm climate as 1126 00:51:34,540 --> 00:51:38,590 S4: opposed to a snarky climate. Um, otherwise he, he keeps 1127 00:51:38,590 --> 00:51:41,200 S4: his distance. You know, when he, when he feels sure 1128 00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,530 S4: of himself, when he feels cocksure of himself. I don't 1129 00:51:44,530 --> 00:51:47,810 S4: think he ever goes to see Frank. Right. It's all 1130 00:51:47,950 --> 00:51:51,669 S4: it's feeling a little under. And that's what's so great 1131 00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:54,879 S4: about what Jeremy and and the role do mean. You 1132 00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:59,040 S4: start off in season one going who is the schmuck, 1133 00:51:59,050 --> 00:52:01,570 S4: you know, And then you go, you know, who does 1134 00:52:01,570 --> 00:52:04,780 S4: he think he is? And then you just see him 1135 00:52:05,350 --> 00:52:07,750 S4: get kicked to the curb all the time and still 1136 00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:12,370 S4: use the same attitude. And you go, this this is pitiable. 1137 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:14,320 S16: If this is this this. 1138 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,719 S4: Is this is never going to work out. You know, 1139 00:52:17,020 --> 00:52:18,280 S4: it's very sad. 1140 00:52:18,550 --> 00:52:20,570 S7: Yeah. Kendall doesn't seem to be a man who, like, 1141 00:52:20,590 --> 00:52:23,830 S7: learns from his mistakes. He kind of has the the 1142 00:52:23,830 --> 00:52:26,020 S7: definition of madness going on. But, I mean. 1143 00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:27,430 S16: That's right. 1144 00:52:27,730 --> 00:52:30,490 S7: Between you and Jeremy, there seems to be a genuine affection. 1145 00:52:30,489 --> 00:52:33,040 S7: I know he's someone who takes his craft quite, quite seriously. 1146 00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,500 S7: What's the relationship like? Because you do have a few 1147 00:52:35,500 --> 00:52:36,280 S7: scenes together. 1148 00:52:36,430 --> 00:52:37,060 S16: Yeah. 1149 00:52:37,450 --> 00:52:40,330 S4: We had done a play together eight years, nine years ago, 1150 00:52:40,330 --> 00:52:43,870 S4: something like that off Broadway and his same attention to 1151 00:52:43,870 --> 00:52:48,040 S4: detail and and commitment to what he's doing was present 1152 00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,460 S4: there and, and think we just respect each other. And 1153 00:52:51,460 --> 00:52:55,210 S4: when we find ourselves on this set together, we enjoy it. 1154 00:52:55,210 --> 00:52:58,390 S4: But as you see, we don't come into contact with 1155 00:52:58,390 --> 00:53:02,560 S4: each other's worlds that often. Um, but when we do, 1156 00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,530 S4: I'm always glad I'm, you know. And so I was 1157 00:53:05,710 --> 00:53:08,520 S4: talking about with someone else this with someone else that, um, 1158 00:53:09,460 --> 00:53:14,080 S4: the affection that I have for Kendall in the scenes 1159 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:18,520 S4: is the affection I have for Jeremy, having rarely had 1160 00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:22,930 S4: enough scenes with him. Yeah, it's easy to feel warm 1161 00:53:22,930 --> 00:53:26,660 S4: to go, Oh, look who I'm acting with again. Comfortable, 1162 00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,100 S4: you know, And. And, of course, he's superb. Yeah. 1163 00:53:30,100 --> 00:53:33,700 S7: I mean, it's it's. I can't think of a cast 1164 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,760 S7: that is so across the board. Strong like it must be. 1165 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,920 S7: You know, you've been around a long time. It must 1166 00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,880 S7: be the most consistently brilliant cast you've worked with because it's. 1167 00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:44,350 S7: I mean there are no weak points. 1168 00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,910 S4: No, they really are popping. They are sparkling. It's true. 1169 00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,910 S7: And you know, I was curious. It's been a big 1170 00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:54,640 S7: season for the so-called kind of gray beards. There's been 1171 00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,530 S7: a division. And, you know, you guys have spent. 1172 00:53:58,060 --> 00:53:58,219 S16: Here. 1173 00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:02,020 S4: That I don't feel that, but I hear that from 1174 00:54:02,020 --> 00:54:02,950 S4: more than you. 1175 00:54:03,340 --> 00:54:05,080 S16: Really? That's interesting because. 1176 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,120 S7: It feels like definitely the gray beards. It's like you 1177 00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,750 S7: spent three seasons watching these stupid, you know, nepo babies 1178 00:54:10,750 --> 00:54:13,089 S7: kind of blowing it. And now finally, you're like, all right, 1179 00:54:13,090 --> 00:54:15,100 S7: that's it. We're taking over. And that seems to be 1180 00:54:15,100 --> 00:54:16,810 S7: the general consensus from the audience. 1181 00:54:17,020 --> 00:54:20,050 S4: I'm glad. Maybe it has to do with Logan being 1182 00:54:20,050 --> 00:54:22,779 S4: out of the scene for a minute there. And and 1183 00:54:22,780 --> 00:54:25,390 S4: so we're consulted every once in a while, and then 1184 00:54:25,390 --> 00:54:28,900 S4: we're doing our own kind of planning and worrying behind 1185 00:54:28,900 --> 00:54:32,560 S4: the scenes, maybe balance the scenes with what the kids 1186 00:54:32,650 --> 00:54:35,350 S4: don't know. But yeah, it seems like we're present. 1187 00:54:35,739 --> 00:54:39,610 S7: What was your kind of, I guess, initial response to 1188 00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,890 S7: hearing that this would be the final season and obviously 1189 00:54:41,890 --> 00:54:44,230 S7: reading how it would play out? Did you was it like, okay, 1190 00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:46,780 S7: this seems like a fitting ending to a show that 1191 00:54:46,780 --> 00:54:47,560 S7: has been, you know. 1192 00:54:48,310 --> 00:54:54,279 S4: Absolutely more than that when when you've been through I 1193 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,490 S4: guess it's about six years we've been together with Jesse 1194 00:54:57,489 --> 00:55:00,070 S4: at the head. You don't quit. You don't you don't 1195 00:55:00,070 --> 00:55:07,569 S4: question The man has exquisite taste and plotting sensibilities, and 1196 00:55:07,570 --> 00:55:11,379 S4: he's with a wonderful team that he's put together. The 1197 00:55:11,380 --> 00:55:14,620 S4: reason that we're talking is big and we've lasted this 1198 00:55:14,620 --> 00:55:18,129 S4: long is because of all the choices that he's made. 1199 00:55:18,130 --> 00:55:21,009 S4: So I would never have a thought to say about 1200 00:55:21,010 --> 00:55:24,100 S4: anything that he's done. He knows what he's doing. 1201 00:55:24,190 --> 00:55:26,560 S7: And I guess, you know, it's obviously impossible to talk 1202 00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,110 S7: about the ending. But the thing I think people are 1203 00:55:29,590 --> 00:55:33,580 S7: curious about is, you know, will there be a winner? 1204 00:55:33,580 --> 00:55:35,350 S7: Will there be someone that comes out on top? Will 1205 00:55:35,350 --> 00:55:38,080 S7: there be a successor? Although I feel that succession is 1206 00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,110 S7: the type of show where even if someone was to win, 1207 00:55:41,110 --> 00:55:45,160 S7: like no one really wins in this world, what do 1208 00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:46,030 S7: you feel about it. 1209 00:55:46,550 --> 00:55:49,209 S4: That isn't isn't that the truth? They're showing you that 1210 00:55:49,210 --> 00:55:53,130 S4: whoever wins is going to be sorry. You know, it's 1211 00:55:53,830 --> 00:55:58,239 S4: you're watching this for years now. What's the upside of this? 1212 00:55:58,450 --> 00:56:01,720 S4: A yacht with miserable people. What what do you get? 1213 00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,739 S7: Yes, sometimes I do think I don't know, being on 1214 00:56:05,739 --> 00:56:08,410 S7: a yacht right now, you can do worse. 1215 00:56:09,250 --> 00:56:10,239 S16: But they're always. 1216 00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,730 S4: Unhappy. They're always unhappy. 1217 00:56:12,910 --> 00:56:13,870 S16: Yeah, that's true. 1218 00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,170 S7: That's true. And, you know, I really enjoyed watching the 1219 00:56:17,170 --> 00:56:20,469 S7: Frank and Kyle dynamic this season. It's always great. And 1220 00:56:20,469 --> 00:56:24,040 S7: especially them in Norway was amazing, you know, sitting outside 1221 00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,680 S7: the sauna, the the Peking Ducks. And you know, I've 1222 00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,350 S7: always been curious. Obviously the writing is so great, but 1223 00:56:29,350 --> 00:56:31,800 S7: how much ad libbing takes place on set, you know, 1224 00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,210 S7: especially if you're comfortable with a scene partner, do you 1225 00:56:34,210 --> 00:56:35,620 S7: guys tend to play around with it? 1226 00:56:35,950 --> 00:56:39,879 S4: Um, I feel like Karl's and my stuff is so 1227 00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:44,830 S4: specific and limited. Their their drive by is almost, you know, 1228 00:56:45,489 --> 00:56:51,610 S4: coming in and going and splitting. Nobody's asked me to adlib. 1229 00:56:51,850 --> 00:56:55,900 S4: I wouldn't want to match wits with Jesse. Sometimes we're 1230 00:56:55,900 --> 00:56:59,680 S4: given alternative lines. Can this next take? Can you say 1231 00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:03,279 S4: this instead of that? But but the only time that 1232 00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:08,110 S4: I ever really ad libbed was, um, during the pilot 1233 00:57:08,110 --> 00:57:11,590 S4: when Adam McKay was the director. And it was a 1234 00:57:11,590 --> 00:57:15,310 S4: scene where. Jeremy was was in charge for the day 1235 00:57:15,310 --> 00:57:17,710 S4: He was. And by the end of the day, Logan 1236 00:57:17,710 --> 00:57:20,170 S4: was going to have made the announcement that he was 1237 00:57:20,170 --> 00:57:24,010 S4: the next CEO. Um, and Logan had decided to stay 1238 00:57:24,010 --> 00:57:27,040 S4: out that day. And we're in a scene, we're in 1239 00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,820 S4: a Ken's office and there's like six accountants and we're 1240 00:57:30,820 --> 00:57:34,360 S4: all doing books. And in walks Logan, a surprise visit. 1241 00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,820 S4: And I was the supposed to be the guy that 1242 00:57:36,820 --> 00:57:41,380 S4: first notices him and brings everybody's attention to him. And 1243 00:57:41,770 --> 00:57:45,400 S4: so before the actual word started, perhaps, you know, maybe 1244 00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,950 S4: it was Logan who had the first thing or pen. 1245 00:57:47,950 --> 00:57:51,190 S4: But but Adam asked me to, you know, say something. 1246 00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,400 S4: Maybe they had written one line and I kept doing 1247 00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,160 S4: that line. And Adam said, No, no, do something different. So, 1248 00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,490 S4: you know, like I say, I'm going to I'm going 1249 00:58:00,490 --> 00:58:03,160 S4: to write something for these guys. Are you kidding me? 1250 00:58:04,420 --> 00:58:06,689 S4: It's a joke. You know, some people do it. I'm 1251 00:58:06,700 --> 00:58:09,729 S4: not you know, I'd say things like crossword too hard 1252 00:58:09,730 --> 00:58:13,990 S4: today or of the pizza or, you know, I mean, 1253 00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:16,820 S4: I don't know what to do, you know? 1254 00:58:17,740 --> 00:58:19,390 S7: Yeah, I guess when you're when you're working with that 1255 00:58:19,390 --> 00:58:22,630 S7: level of talent, you're just like, Look, I'm happy to. Yeah. 1256 00:58:23,110 --> 00:58:26,590 S4: That's not my deal. I don't do that. Well. 1257 00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,520 S7: I mean. I mean, the lines that. Frank I feel 1258 00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:34,480 S7: like the way he delivers them so specifically is a 1259 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,060 S7: big kind of fans have really come to love that. 1260 00:58:37,060 --> 00:58:39,550 S7: How in terms of your actual preparation, like how long 1261 00:58:39,550 --> 00:58:41,290 S7: does it take you to kind of work through some 1262 00:58:41,290 --> 00:58:42,970 S7: of your deliveries or do you normally get it pretty 1263 00:58:42,970 --> 00:58:44,170 S7: quickly after read? 1264 00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,830 S4: You know, as a stupid actor, you go, I could 1265 00:58:47,830 --> 00:58:50,590 S4: hit this word, Let me try that. I'll hit this word. 1266 00:58:50,650 --> 00:58:52,900 S4: Let me try that. And then you throw it all 1267 00:58:52,900 --> 00:58:59,740 S4: the way. Would I remember when we're we're in Italy 1268 00:58:59,740 --> 00:59:04,660 S4: and get I guess we're just we're about to load 1269 00:59:04,660 --> 00:59:06,970 S4: back on the plane to go to New York at 1270 00:59:06,970 --> 00:59:10,930 S4: the end of season three or the know the beginning 1271 00:59:10,930 --> 00:59:16,420 S4: of season three. And we're in two separate planes. So 1272 00:59:16,420 --> 00:59:20,410 S4: I was flying with Logan and Hugo maybe, or somebody 1273 00:59:20,410 --> 00:59:23,260 S4: asks Frank and Carl and Jerry. So what happened? What 1274 00:59:23,260 --> 00:59:25,990 S4: did Logan say? And the line that I have is 1275 00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:29,500 S4: something like, I got fired. He got fired. She got promoted, 1276 00:59:29,500 --> 00:59:32,550 S4: I got rehired, she got demoted. And so I'm going, oh, 1277 00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,020 S4: how am I, how am I supposed. So we're now 1278 00:59:35,020 --> 00:59:38,050 S4: we're on the set and we're out there in the 1279 00:59:38,050 --> 00:59:43,150 S4: blazing sun in Tuscany somewhere. You know, there are these 1280 00:59:43,150 --> 00:59:46,690 S4: two helicopters with the rotors going down, down, down, down, down. 1281 00:59:46,690 --> 00:59:49,750 S4: The smell is ridiculous. You can't hear yourself thinking. And 1282 00:59:49,750 --> 00:59:52,630 S4: I'm I can hear you know, I can hear I 1283 00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:55,810 S4: can hear my hair flying around my face. And and 1284 00:59:55,810 --> 00:59:59,200 S4: it's action. And I got fired. She got fired. He 1285 01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,900 S4: just comes out, you know, And I loved it. I 1286 01:00:03,910 --> 01:00:05,950 S4: don't even know what I did, but it was like, great. 1287 01:00:06,220 --> 01:00:08,620 S4: It's like, can we get out of here? You know. 1288 01:00:08,950 --> 01:00:11,200 S7: Like, Peter, you nailed it perfectly. That's it. 1289 01:00:11,740 --> 01:00:12,280 S4: That's right. 1290 01:00:13,390 --> 01:00:15,730 S7: And guess you know, on that note, it is a 1291 01:00:15,730 --> 01:00:19,270 S7: show that has become so like the lines of succession 1292 01:00:19,270 --> 01:00:21,130 S7: almost take on a life of their own. After the 1293 01:00:21,130 --> 01:00:24,160 S7: show goes to air, people quote them and they they 1294 01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,010 S7: do the rounds on the Internet and and people, you know, 1295 01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,220 S7: trade insults. You know what is like your favorite of 1296 01:00:30,220 --> 01:00:32,890 S7: Frank's lines and what's one of your favorite lines generally 1297 01:00:32,890 --> 01:00:33,430 S7: from the show? 1298 01:00:34,060 --> 01:00:36,490 S4: What perks My ear ups. My my ears up is 1299 01:00:36,490 --> 01:00:41,860 S4: when I hear them, they refer to me in some funky, 1300 01:00:41,860 --> 01:00:46,320 S4: you know, ancient grains or of talkie minster or, you know, something, 1301 01:00:46,420 --> 01:00:50,530 S4: you know, those kinds of things. I love those. 1302 01:00:50,770 --> 01:00:52,630 S7: Yeah. Feel like I feel like Roman does a lot 1303 01:00:52,630 --> 01:00:53,200 S7: of those. 1304 01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:54,810 S4: Yes, he does. 1305 01:00:55,300 --> 01:00:59,680 S7: Does it feel like, you know, Kieran Culkin has had 1306 01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,080 S7: a pretty impressive season. You know, the last episode we 1307 01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,900 S7: saw this incredible scene with he and Alexander Skarsgard on 1308 01:01:04,900 --> 01:01:08,080 S7: the mountain. I mean, as someone who, you know, I guess, 1309 01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,930 S7: you know, these kids, these young actors who you've now 1310 01:01:10,930 --> 01:01:13,300 S7: known for years now, and you've probably watched them grow. And, 1311 01:01:13,300 --> 01:01:15,310 S7: you know, you've obviously been around a long time. Is 1312 01:01:15,310 --> 01:01:18,280 S7: it pretty incredible to see them delivering this kind of work? 1313 01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,920 S7: And you see, you know, as they grow season upon season? 1314 01:01:21,700 --> 01:01:25,570 S4: Well, yes, I'm learning from watching them that that that's 1315 01:01:25,570 --> 01:01:30,760 S4: the whole thing. Uh, there was one moment maybe early 1316 01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,760 S4: on in the first season where Logan is back at 1317 01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:38,320 S4: his desk after having whatever that stroke was or and he, 1318 01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:42,400 S4: Logan starts to pour coffee into his cup and we've 1319 01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:46,810 S4: only known Kieran as a foul talking smart ass and, 1320 01:01:46,810 --> 01:01:51,760 S4: and when the the cup starts to overfill and Logan 1321 01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:56,290 S4: has no knowledge of it, Kieran turns into this caretaker 1322 01:01:56,290 --> 01:02:00,730 S4: this loving, worried, you know love love that switch. And 1323 01:02:00,970 --> 01:02:03,820 S4: every once in a while you see that that side 1324 01:02:03,820 --> 01:02:06,940 S4: of Roman it always surprises me. And he does it 1325 01:02:06,940 --> 01:02:10,630 S4: so well. It is beautiful. It's just a beautiful performance. 1326 01:02:10,990 --> 01:02:13,970 S7: And how do you feel having. Australian on set in 1327 01:02:13,970 --> 01:02:17,540 S7: Sarah Snook. Does she kind of mean she said she's 1328 01:02:17,540 --> 01:02:19,130 S7: also had an amazing season to shoot. 1329 01:02:19,490 --> 01:02:22,280 S4: Hasn't she? Oh my God, it's only half over. 1330 01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:23,060 S16: Oh, nice. 1331 01:02:23,940 --> 01:02:27,530 S4: Oh, fucking good. That scene with Mattson. So, so beautiful. 1332 01:02:27,530 --> 01:02:30,590 S4: There was so many colors on both of their parts. 1333 01:02:30,770 --> 01:02:34,939 S4: I'm so impressed with seeing that cut together. She's so relaxed. 1334 01:02:34,940 --> 01:02:38,270 S4: It always seems to me that she's so relaxed on set. 1335 01:02:38,510 --> 01:02:41,150 S7: Yeah, no, I think it's funny because it sounds like 1336 01:02:41,150 --> 01:02:42,980 S7: just from, you know, obviously reading about the show and 1337 01:02:42,980 --> 01:02:45,950 S7: and this is true with any set, there's so many 1338 01:02:45,950 --> 01:02:49,970 S7: different approaches and methods taking place when you've got such 1339 01:02:49,970 --> 01:02:52,190 S7: a cast to and it's amazing how it all just 1340 01:02:52,310 --> 01:02:55,070 S7: comes together. It must be like as someone who's on 1341 01:02:55,070 --> 01:02:57,140 S7: the show, it must be pretty incredible to watch, just 1342 01:02:57,140 --> 01:03:00,020 S7: like all these different moving parts, like coming together. 1343 01:03:00,020 --> 01:03:01,380 S16: Yeah, that's. 1344 01:03:01,380 --> 01:03:04,190 S4: That's the truth of it. It you see all these 1345 01:03:04,190 --> 01:03:07,910 S4: different ways of working and somehow we've come together in 1346 01:03:07,910 --> 01:03:13,220 S4: this under Jesse and Mark, my dad's tutelage, you know, 1347 01:03:13,220 --> 01:03:15,200 S4: to create this beautiful whole. It's great. 1348 01:03:15,530 --> 01:03:18,680 S7: And I guess for you in real terms, that being 1349 01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:21,860 S7: on a show as big as succession, do you begin 1350 01:03:21,860 --> 01:03:23,420 S7: to notice the effect it has? And so just in 1351 01:03:23,420 --> 01:03:25,760 S7: terms of like the scripts that are now coming through 1352 01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,160 S7: the door, like does it have an impact on you 1353 01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,410 S7: as like when you look to what's going to be 1354 01:03:30,410 --> 01:03:32,450 S7: your next six months, 12 months, 18 months, Have you 1355 01:03:32,450 --> 01:03:35,030 S7: noticed a difference in quality as like what comes through 1356 01:03:35,030 --> 01:03:35,390 S7: the door? 1357 01:03:36,050 --> 01:03:40,820 S4: Sometimes? Sometimes I was simply asked to do six episodes 1358 01:03:40,820 --> 01:03:44,110 S4: of the new season of Masel, you know, which probably 1359 01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:48,590 S4: came because of this, though the people who produce and 1360 01:03:48,590 --> 01:03:51,350 S4: write at our our theater levels. And so they might 1361 01:03:51,350 --> 01:03:54,110 S4: know me from that as well. But what you're saying, 1362 01:03:54,110 --> 01:03:57,470 S4: I of course, I hope I hope that's true because 1363 01:03:57,470 --> 01:04:02,060 S4: I know the the show has has has raised everyone's boat. 1364 01:04:02,060 --> 01:04:05,750 S4: Everyone feels a little bit more secure in this field 1365 01:04:05,750 --> 01:04:06,710 S4: of work, you know. 1366 01:04:07,610 --> 01:04:10,550 S7: Yeah. And I guess it's a rare, you know, especially 1367 01:04:10,580 --> 01:04:14,300 S7: in this day and age, there's so much choice, like 1368 01:04:14,300 --> 01:04:17,450 S7: there's so many options and so much streaming and there's 1369 01:04:17,450 --> 01:04:19,430 S7: just I mean, I feel it every day in my job. 1370 01:04:19,430 --> 01:04:21,980 S7: There is so much TV. It's rare for shows to 1371 01:04:21,980 --> 01:04:25,130 S7: break through like succession anymore. Yeah. So to be on 1372 01:04:25,130 --> 01:04:27,530 S7: a show that has this kind of impact, I suppose, 1373 01:04:27,530 --> 01:04:30,620 S7: you know, it then will then translate to hopefully like 1374 01:04:30,650 --> 01:04:34,010 S7: more work for everyone. And yeah, I guess it's win win. 1375 01:04:34,010 --> 01:04:37,430 S4: It's true. And of course the idea of ever getting 1376 01:04:37,430 --> 01:04:40,760 S4: to work with any of these people again is very attractive. 1377 01:04:41,030 --> 01:04:43,490 S7: And I guess just finally, you know, on that note, 1378 01:04:43,490 --> 01:04:46,420 S7: it seems like a cast that is very, very tight. Um, 1379 01:04:46,700 --> 01:04:48,170 S7: what was it like? I guess, you know, on that 1380 01:04:48,170 --> 01:04:51,110 S7: final day of shooting or the final time you see 1381 01:04:51,110 --> 01:04:53,780 S7: each other, you go from spending like days and weeks 1382 01:04:53,780 --> 01:04:55,729 S7: and months with these people, then suddenly it's gone. Like, 1383 01:04:55,730 --> 01:04:57,800 S7: do you all kind of have a WhatsApp group chat? Like, 1384 01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:59,150 S7: what's the what's the go? 1385 01:04:59,180 --> 01:05:02,090 S4: What happens? I think some people went for a drink. 1386 01:05:02,210 --> 01:05:05,810 S4: I know at the end of the major filming, everybody 1387 01:05:05,810 --> 01:05:07,580 S4: went off to, Oh, I can't tell you. 1388 01:05:10,190 --> 01:05:10,970 S16: Oh, nearly. 1389 01:05:12,830 --> 01:05:14,120 S7: Well, I guess I guess I'll put it this way. 1390 01:05:14,300 --> 01:05:16,190 S7: Do you stay in touch? Like, is there a cast 1391 01:05:16,190 --> 01:05:18,350 S7: like kind of WhatsApp message or what's the like how 1392 01:05:18,350 --> 01:05:20,270 S7: do you all kind of still text? 1393 01:05:20,270 --> 01:05:23,030 S4: I don't think I don't think it's a cast wide thing. 1394 01:05:23,030 --> 01:05:25,790 S4: But we all have different people in our on our 1395 01:05:25,790 --> 01:05:30,110 S4: phones who we who we keep in touch with. Yes, absolutely. 1396 01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:32,330 S7: Oh, great. Well, look, Peter, thank you so much for 1397 01:05:32,330 --> 01:05:34,460 S7: having a chat to me today and I very much 1398 01:05:34,460 --> 01:05:37,160 S7: appreciate your time. And as I said, I've been enjoying 1399 01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:39,290 S7: the show very much and your performance has been great. 1400 01:05:39,290 --> 01:05:40,130 S7: So I appreciate it. 1401 01:05:40,850 --> 01:05:41,990 S4: Thanks, man. Appreciate it. 1402 01:05:42,380 --> 01:05:44,530 S7: Thanks so much. Have a nice night. Yeah. 1403 01:05:50,150 --> 01:05:53,750 S6: This succession recap episode of The Drop was produced by 1404 01:05:53,750 --> 01:05:57,230 S6: Ruby Schwartz. If you enjoyed listening to today's episode of 1405 01:05:57,230 --> 01:05:59,780 S6: The Drop, make sure to follow us in your favorite 1406 01:05:59,780 --> 01:06:02,930 S6: podcast app. Give us a review or better yet, share 1407 01:06:02,930 --> 01:06:06,230 S6: it with a friend. I'm Osmond Fergie. See you next week.